| ogra | JaneW, i'm still testing different guesses i have... so its likely that i solve it before Kamion comes back | 12:06 |
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| JaneW | ogra: ok | 12:06 |
| ogra | for the desktop task there are still some man inclusion reports pending, but it gets into shape... | 12:07 |
| JaneW | ogra: how serious is this, and is it effecting our timeline badly? | 12:07 |
| ogra | s/man/main | 12:07 |
| ogra | JaneW, we'll solve it before preview | 12:07 |
| JaneW | ogra: is Corey still helping with the reports? | 12:07 |
| ogra | nope | 12:07 |
| JaneW | :( | 12:07 |
| ogra | i did them myself... | 12:07 |
| ogra | they are done | 12:07 |
| JaneW | do you need a new helper? | 12:07 |
| ogra | nope | 12:07 |
| JaneW | and do we have any volunteers? | 12:08 |
| ogra | all are done, only pending for pitti reviews | 12:08 |
| JaneW | ok | 12:08 |
| ogra | some packeges need work, thats what i'm on currently | 12:08 |
| JaneW | ok | 12:08 |
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| ogra | nvu is updated to the current version, needs some changes still, but will be ok for inclusion soon... | 12:09 |
| JaneW | mdz asked that I make a call fro more LTSP testers | 12:09 |
| ogra | JaneW, thats what i made with my maiul today | 12:09 |
| ogra | 12:09 | |
| JaneW | nod | 12:09 |
| ogra | mhz already tests, jelkner apparently too | 12:10 |
| JaneW | there's a page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest | 12:10 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:10 |
| JaneW | Jim McQuillan calling for testing | 12:10 |
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| ogra | JaneW, they should also see the http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting page | 12:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: is that exactly the same as the edubuntu LTSP testing or not? | 12:11 |
| ogra | since it uses the current CD we have | 12:11 |
| JaneW | ok | 12:11 |
| ogra | the more it improves, the less manual work will be needed... i'll build a edubuntu-config package that makes the dhcp part easier | 12:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: what progress do you expect to mkake in the next week or so? | 12:12 |
| ogra | but in the end we'll have it all automatic, excep you'll need to select the network adresses | 12:12 |
| ogra | finishing the last tasks for edubuntu-server, starting edubuntu-config | 12:13 |
| ogra | (desktop is nearly done) | 12:13 |
| JaneW | ogra: DHCP should do that for you...no? Or do you need to give an initial range? | 12:13 |
| ogra | you'll have to give the range | 12:14 |
| ogra | thats what the -config package will be for | 12:14 |
| ogra | + restarting all the needed services... | 12:14 |
| ogra | for installing edubuntu in the end you will need to: | 12:15 |
| ogra | create the initial admin user | 12:15 |
| ogra | give the dhcp range | 12:15 |
| ogra | ... | 12:15 |
| ogra | thats all | 12:15 |
| JaneW | cool | 12:16 |
| JaneW | even I could do that ;) | 12:16 |
| ogra | yep, thanks to mdfz :) | 12:16 |
| ogra | mdz | 12:16 |
| ogra | even | 12:16 |
| JaneW | freudian slip there? | 12:16 |
| ogra | without his perparation this wouldnt be possible | 12:16 |
| JaneW | nod | 12:17 |
| jelkner | ok, it is asking all about postfix configuration... not good | 12:17 |
| JaneW | ogra: done? | 12:17 |
| ogra | jelkner, that will be presseded for local transport only | 12:18 |
| JaneW | ogra: is there anything else you want to mention wrt to testing? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | ogra: we won't even have to think about this later, yes? | 12:18 |
| ogra | nope, i'd like to see some feedback to my mail | 12:18 |
| jelkner | ?? | 12:18 |
| ogra | jelkner, exactly, except you want to use this machine as mailserver, then you run dpkg-reconfigure | 12:19 |
| jelkner | i thought we were aiming at k12-ltsp ease of use | 12:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: well 180 ppl on the list now - hopefully some of those will test and respond! | 12:19 |
| lamont | why does it even have an MTA? | 12:19 |
| jelkner | sure, but easy things should be easy, and complex things should be possible. if someone *wants* a mail server, we can assume much more about their unix skills | 12:20 |
| JaneW | hi lamont | 12:20 |
| ogra | lamont, i dont know, it comes from the normal desktop task | 12:20 |
| lamont | hi JaneW | 12:20 |
| jelkner | newbies should not even know it's an option | 12:20 |
| ogra | jelkner, exactly | 12:20 |
| lamont | ubuntu desktop dropped postfix for breezy, I thought | 12:20 |
| ogra | jelkner, thats why i'll use local transport for preseeding | 12:21 |
| ogra | jelkner, so you'll only have to think about mail transport if you really want to ues it as mailserver | 12:21 |
| ogra | lamont, not yet it seems | 12:22 |
| ogra | lamont, i use the ubuntu desktop seed as base, its still having a mailserver | 12:22 |
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| BrandonWeeks | Hello | 12:23 |
| ogra | so either that gets dropped later or we'll keep it | 12:23 |
| ogra | hi BrandonWeeks | 12:23 |
| BrandonWeeks | HAs the meeting started? | 12:23 |
| ogra | yup | 12:24 |
| BrandonWeeks | Thanks | 12:24 |
| JaneW | BrandonWeeks: 24 mins ago - but welcome | 12:24 |
| JaneW | BrandonWeeks: you been testing? :) | 12:24 |
| BrandonWeeks | No I'm setting up my old box for testing now. | 12:25 |
| JaneW | great | 12:25 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:25 |
| ogra | JaneW, i followed the doctem meeting before... they didnt mention edubuntu.. and i still dont see any artwork improvementd | 12:27 |
| ogra | s/d/s | 12:27 |
| ogra | is there any feedback ? | 12:28 |
| JaneW | damn, I was going to ask about doc team | 12:28 |
| JaneW | I know jsgotangco is feeling a little frustrated | 12:29 |
| JaneW | he's been focusing on the cookbook, but can't revise it for us until we have something | 12:29 |
| ogra | they concentrate on kubuntu and ubuntu it seems... but kubuntu was mentioned even more | 12:29 |
| JaneW | I think he has gone back to his other docs for a bit | 12:29 |
| BrandonWeeks | Does anybody have the link to the daily builds, I cant find the link in the wiki anymore? | 12:30 |
| ogra | as far as i followed the meeting this afternoon | 12:30 |
| jelkner | question: if i get this to work, can i rely on apt-get upgrade to get me all the way to the final release? | 12:30 |
| ogra | BrandonWeeks, http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting | 12:30 |
| BrandonWeeks | Thank you | 12:30 |
| ogra | jelkner, yes, yu should :) | 12:30 |
| jelkner | great! | 12:30 |
| jelkner | so i can start adding students for the fall, etc | 12:30 |
| ogra | jelkner, i think so, yes | 12:31 |
| jelkner | ogra: i understand there are no guarentees, but at least that's the plan ;-) | 12:31 |
| ogra | jelkner, only -desktop and -server seed will change a bit.. but no essential stuff | 12:31 |
| ogra | i.e. gcompris waits for inclusion in the desktop seed and moodle/mediawiki for the server | 12:32 |
| ogra | but that wont kill/change your added students... | 12:32 |
| ogra | jelkner, see the commented stuff on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop | 12:33 |
| BrandonWeeks | For testing I can run the desktop and server on the same box correct? | 12:33 |
| ogra | and | 12:33 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server | 12:33 |
| ogra | BrandonWeeks, yes | 12:33 |
| BrandonWeeks | Thank you | 12:34 |
| JaneW | ogra: the artwork you mentioned what do you mean? | 12:34 |
| ogra | BrandonWeeks, but currently the X autoconfiguration seems broken, follow the testing notes | 12:34 |
| JaneW | usplash etc? | 12:34 |
| ogra | JaneW, splash, wallpaper | 12:34 |
| ogra | and probably usplash | 12:34 |
| JaneW | ok, we have ppl who said they were interesed but still not got anything yet | 12:35 |
| ogra | i'm not sure if we want usplasjh for the thin cliens | 12:35 |
| JaneW | I'll check with highvoltage to see if he has anything new | 12:35 |
| JaneW | I mailed Sebastien Loss the guy that made the cool Breezy mascot | 12:35 |
| ogra | worst case i'll throw something together... we'll have some artwork | 12:35 |
| JaneW | and he said he is prepared to do something for us for edubuntu | 12:35 |
| JaneW | should I ask Andy Fitz to help us? | 12:36 |
| ogra | but the artwork front is very silent anyway, even in ubuntu | 12:36 |
| JaneW | nod | 12:36 |
| JaneW | but ogra you shouldn;t do it | 12:36 |
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| ogra | JaneW, he doesnt do very much, i'm in the artwork channel constantly | 12:36 |
| JaneW | unless you really wants to in your copius spare time! | 12:36 |
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| JaneW | s/wants/want | 12:37 |
| ogra | JaneW, i worked 2 years ar graphics designer, i could do it... | 12:37 |
| ogra | its nothing i'm after, but worst case i could produce something | 12:37 |
| ogra | (something usabel indeed) | 12:38 |
| JaneW | ogra: I have no doubt you could do it! | 12:39 |
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| ogra | its a thing to do in an afternoon... | 12:39 |
| ogra | heh | 12:39 |
| BrandonWeeks | lol | 12:39 |
| JaneW | Ok so we need to give ogra space to get the dev on track | 12:40 |
| JaneW | we need to test test tes | 12:40 |
| JaneW | t | 12:40 |
| ogra | yep | 12:40 |
| JaneW | and we need to get the artwork sorted | 12:40 |
| JaneW | and the docs finished (but they are also dependant on dev progress) | 12:40 |
| ogra | and more important, docs | 12:40 |
| JaneW | what else? | 12:40 |
| ogra | thats all for now... docs, docs docs | 12:41 |
| JaneW | besides the cookbook what all do we need there | 12:41 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco indicated that he has done some other stuff too | 12:41 |
| ogra | hopefully not much... | 12:41 |
| ogra | great | 12:42 |
| JaneW | * All standard docs for Ubuntu will also be included in Edubuntu viewable in Yelp, the doc team will also add some more Edubuntu-specific docs. | 12:42 |
| JaneW | * Release notes, faqs, stuff, etc. should come naturally once we have a working system. Jerome did make some basic structured docs on the doc team svn. | 12:42 |
| ogra | the less docs we need the better our release is :) | 12:42 |
| JaneW | nod | 12:42 |
| BrandonWeeks | Right. | 12:42 |
| JaneW | we ideally should give Jerome a bit of time to do the docs | 12:42 |
| ogra | yep | 12:43 |
| JaneW | so as soon as he can d/l and install something that works the better | 12:43 |
| ogra | he still has time until preview | 12:43 |
| ogra | i think with my installation notes he'll be fine already... | 12:44 |
| ogra | (while these will get shorter with every improvement we make) | 12:44 |
| ogra | i hope he can test the thin client stuff | 12:45 |
| ogra | because thats the interesting bit | 12:45 |
| JaneW | nod | 12:47 |
| BrandonWeeks | Do you know if the teachers pet will work with fat cliets? | 12:47 |
| ogra | BrandonWeeks, i doubt Teachers Pet will make it into this release, probably in universe as a last minute thing.. but not on the CD... | 12:48 |
| BrandonWeeks | Ok | 12:48 |
| ogra | www.grawert.net/SCP.png | 12:48 |
| ogra | thats what i have until now... | 12:48 |
| BrandonWeeks | Yes, I have saw that. | 12:48 |
| jelkner | anyone ready for an update on the install? | 12:49 |
| ogra | it gives you the option to kill student sessions and to connect via vnc... | 12:49 |
| ogra | but not much more yet | 12:49 |
| JaneW | jelkner: sure | 12:49 |
| ogra | jelkner, sure ! | 12:49 |
| jelkner | ogra: your instructions were crystal clear | 12:49 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 12:49 |
| jelkner | the server installation finished | 12:49 |
| jelkner | but the first client i tried to boot kernel panicked | 12:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: well done :) | 12:50 |
| ogra | did you try a second time? we have a bug in uninonfs that requires a second boot sometimes | 12:51 |
| ogra | mdz is on it | 12:51 |
| jelkner | it failed on mount /opt/ltsp/i386 | 12:51 |
| jelkner | timed out | 12:51 |
| jelkner | will do now... | 12:51 |
| mdz | that's not a unionfs bug | 12:51 |
| ogra | yeah, thats the typical unionfs bug... | 12:51 |
| ogra | mdz, ?? | 12:51 |
| mdz | the unionfs module isn't even loaded yet at that point | 12:52 |
| ogra | ah, yes, rather a timeout in the NIC initialization | 12:52 |
| mdz | ogra: I CCed you on the Bugzilla bug that I think that is | 12:52 |
| ogra | mdz, you CCed me on a ton of bugs today... i'll have to walk through them... Cxx bugs all over the place :) | 12:53 |
| jelkner | second time's a charm! | 12:54 |
| ogra | 12942c:) | 12:54 |
| ogra | yay | 12:54 |
| jelkner | it worked! | 12:54 |
| ogra | great :) | 12:54 |
| jelkner | ok, one of my students is about to start a CanDo presentation... i gotta run... thanks folks! | 12:54 |
| ogra | jelkner, thanks for the feedback, i owe you one :) | 12:55 |
| jelkner | i'll have plenty more feedback over the next few weeks | 12:55 |
| jelkner | we are going to be setting up several of these around the area | 12:55 |
| ogra | great | 12:55 |
| jelkner | pleanty of tests... | 12:55 |
| jelkner | cya | 12:55 |
| mdz | jelkner: there's some sort of race condition there where the card isn't initialized soon enough | 12:55 |
| ogra | bye | 12:55 |
| mdz | I think I may need to add a sleep or something until we can figure it out | 12:55 |
| JaneW | bye jelkner ! | 12:56 |
| jelkner | ok, sleep on it then ;-) | 12:56 |
| jelkner | bye | 12:56 |
| JaneW | anything else to discuss? | 12:56 |
| JaneW | ogra: do you think these sessions are useful in anyway? | 12:56 |
| ogra | since neither doc or artwork people are here, i think we can close now... | 12:57 |
| JaneW | I think it helps to get all the info progress and requests bundled together... | 12:57 |
| ogra | JaneW, yes | 12:57 |
| JaneW | I don't think this time was great though | 12:57 |
| JaneW | back to 12:00UTC next wed? | 12:57 |
| ogra | yepo | 12:57 |
| ogra | -o | 12:57 |
| JaneW | yay :) | 12:57 |
| ogra | lets see what feedback comes on the ML | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | ogra: don't forget the MOTU meeting next week ;) | 12:58 |
| ogra | i wont | 12:58 |
| JaneW | I'll chase up docs and artwork in the meantime | 12:58 |
| ogra | :) | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I hope having the two meetings on the same day is ok for you? | 12:58 |
| ogra | sure | 12:58 |
| ogra | ajmitch, online meetings are not as exhausting as RL meetings | 12:59 |
| ogra | (and you can scroll back) | 12:59 |
| ogra | *g* | 12:59 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:JaneW] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 23 Aug 20:00 UTC Tech Board | 24 Aug 12:00 UTC : Edubuntu Update Meeting | 24 Aug 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 25 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council | ||
| ogra | ajmitch, in my last RL job i had about 5 2h meetings twice a week :) | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | ouch :) | 01:00 |
| ogra | yep | 01:00 |
| ogra | ajmitch, ask \sh, he has them still :) | 01:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: you should have enough time to recover by 20:00 ;) | 01:00 |
| === ajmitch has a RL meeting in a few minutes | ||
| JaneW | ajmitch: enjoy | 01:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: must last job was one meeting after the next | 01:01 |
| JaneW | there was hardly time to work in between | 01:01 |
| ogra | JaneW, yep | 01:01 |
| ogra | two days a week were lost for meetings | 01:01 |
| ogra | (and i had two other for twiddling thumbs) | 01:03 |
| ogra | so one for real work which was more then enough... | 01:03 |
| ogra | (a quite boring job) | 01:03 |
| ogra | thats why \sh does so much for motu :) | 01:04 |
| JaneW | http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2840801&fSectionId=349&fSetId=204 | 01:06 |
| ogra | lol | 01:07 |
| ogra | i spent my offline evening in watching sompsons and futurama while drinking scotch ;) | 01:08 |
| ogra | simpsons even | 01:08 |
| rob^ | I'm sure Intel will release a processor called sompsons one day | 01:15 |
| JaneW | lol, < brocktice> don't drink and root | 01:15 |
| ogra | heh | 01:15 |
| ogra | JaneW, hey, its ubuntu... we sudo *g* | 01:16 |
| JaneW | ogra: yeah we used to watch every week too | 01:16 |
| JaneW | true | 01:16 |
| JaneW | this is a unix guy though | 01:17 |
| ogra | to qoute my favorite sentence from the root/sudo page (Burgundavia sadly deleted) root and su is *so* 80s :) | 01:20 |
| ogra | but if i think about it now, it makes me feel real old ... | 01:22 |
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| cyphase | hey everyone | 01:27 |
| cyphase | anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area? | 01:27 |
| robitaille | cyphase: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide | 01:29 |
| robitaille | can't remember seeing anyone from the Bay area in Ubuntu channels. (used to live there in previous life....) | 01:30 |
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| JaneW | heheh | 01:35 |
| JaneW | night all | 01:35 |
| ogra | night JaneW | 01:36 |
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| Templ | Ol! | 05:12 |
| Templ | Hi there! Ol! Buenas noches! | 05:13 |
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| cyphase | hey everyone | 06:16 |
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| seb128 | hi | 02:32 |
| mvo | hi | 02:32 |
| mvo | no jamesh | 02:32 |
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| mvo | hi jamesh | 02:32 |
| jamesh | hi | 02:33 |
| seb128 | hey jamesh | 02:33 |
| mvo | seb128: so you plan something like "lpi_add_items_with_srcpkgname()" (the function name sucks a bit)? | 02:33 |
| seb128 | right | 02:34 |
| jamesh | I was thinking more of a "launchpad_integration_set_sourcepackagename()" | 02:34 |
| jamesh | to be called before add_items() (or whatever) | 02:34 |
| seb128 | why 2 functions? | 02:34 |
| mvo | yes, that sounds better | 02:34 |
| jamesh | well, we currently have 3 functions for adding menu items | 02:34 |
| jamesh | one for GtkUIManager, one for plain GtkMenu style menus and one for BonoboUI | 02:35 |
| seb128 | oh, right, better than 2 variants of 3 functions | 02:35 |
| jamesh | this way it is 1+3 functions rather than 2*3 functions | 02:35 |
| mvo | *nod* | 02:35 |
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| === jamesh does a quick impl | ||
| === mvo was about to start it too :) | ||
| === seb128 too | ||
| mvo | hehe | 02:36 |
| jamesh | done (but not really tested) | 02:43 |
| seb128 | waouh, that was quick | 02:44 |
| mvo | jamesh: thanks, I'll merge it now and do some testing | 02:44 |
| jamesh | patch-26 | 02:44 |
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| JaneW | chmj: will you have a good update in the wiki by the end of today? I need to feed back to mdz | 03:03 |
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| mvo | jamesh, seb128: should we name the python module "LaunchpadIntegration"? or something else? it may look funny to call "LaunchpadIntegration.set_sourcepackagename()" | 03:27 |
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| seb128 | mvo: ups, sorry for not reply ... I've not better name. If you want something else, maybe launchpadi ou lpint ? | 04:33 |
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| cyphase | does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened? | 07:07 |
| cyphase | http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF | 07:18 |
| cyphase | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL | 07:20 |
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