[12:06] <ogra> JaneW, i'm still testing different guesses i have... so its likely that i solve it before Kamion comes back
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[12:07] <ogra> for the desktop task there are still some man inclusion reports pending, but it gets into shape...
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra: how serious is this, and is it effecting our timeline badly?
[12:07] <ogra> s/man/main
[12:07] <ogra> JaneW, we'll solve it before preview
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra: is Corey still helping with the reports?
[12:07] <ogra> nope
[12:07] <JaneW> :(
[12:07] <ogra> i did them myself...
[12:07] <ogra> they are done 
[12:07] <JaneW> do you need a new helper?
[12:07] <ogra> nope
[12:08] <JaneW> and do we have any volunteers?
[12:08] <ogra> all are done, only pending for pitti reviews
[12:08] <JaneW> ok
[12:08] <ogra> some packeges need work, thats what i'm on currently
[12:08] <JaneW> ok
[12:09] <ogra> nvu is updated to the current version, needs some changes still, but will be ok for inclusion soon...
[12:09] <JaneW> mdz asked that I make a call fro more LTSP testers
[12:09] <ogra> JaneW, thats what i made with my maiul today
[12:09] <ogra> mail
[12:09] <JaneW> nod
[12:10] <ogra> mhz already tests, jelkner apparently too
[12:10] <JaneW> there's a page  http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest
[12:10] <ogra> hmm
[12:10] <JaneW> Jim McQuillan calling for testing
[12:11] <ogra> JaneW, they should also see the http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting page
[12:11] <JaneW> ogra: is that exactly the same as the edubuntu LTSP testing or not?
[12:11] <ogra> since it uses the current CD we have
[12:11] <JaneW> ok
[12:12] <ogra> the more it improves, the less manual work will be needed... i'll build a edubuntu-config package that makes the dhcp part easier
[12:12] <JaneW> ogra: what progress do you expect to mkake in the next week or so?
[12:12] <ogra> but in the end we'll have it all automatic, excep you'll need to select the network adresses
[12:13] <ogra> finishing the last tasks for edubuntu-server, starting edubuntu-config
[12:13] <ogra> (desktop is nearly done) 
[12:13] <JaneW> ogra: DHCP should do that for you...no? Or do you need to give an initial range?
[12:14] <ogra> you'll have to give the range
[12:14] <ogra> thats what the -config package will be for
[12:14] <ogra> + restarting all the needed services...
[12:15] <ogra> for installing edubuntu in the end you will need to:
[12:15] <ogra> create the initial admin user
[12:15] <ogra> give the dhcp range
[12:15] <ogra> ...
[12:15] <ogra> thats all
[12:16] <JaneW> cool
[12:16] <JaneW> even I could do that ;)
[12:16] <ogra> yep, thanks to mdfz :)
[12:16] <ogra> mdz
[12:16] <ogra> even
[12:16] <JaneW> freudian slip there?
[12:16] <ogra> without his perparation this wouldnt be possible
[12:17] <JaneW> nod
[12:17] <jelkner> ok, it is asking all about postfix configuration... not good
[12:17] <JaneW> ogra: done?
[12:18] <ogra> jelkner, that will be presseded for local transport only
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: is there anything else you want to mention wrt to testing?
[12:18] <jelkner> ogra: we won't even have to think about this later, yes?
[12:18] <ogra> nope, i'd like to see some feedback to my mail
[12:18] <jelkner> ??
[12:19] <ogra> jelkner, exactly, except you want to use this machine as mailserver, then you run dpkg-reconfigure
[12:19] <jelkner> i thought we were aiming at k12-ltsp ease of use
[12:19] <JaneW> ogra: well 180 ppl on the list now - hopefully some of those will test and respond!
[12:19] <lamont> why does it even have an MTA?
[12:20] <jelkner> sure, but easy things should be easy, and complex things should be possible.  if someone *wants* a mail server, we can assume much more about their unix skills
[12:20] <JaneW> hi lamont 
[12:20] <ogra> lamont, i dont know, it comes from the normal desktop task
[12:20] <lamont> hi JaneW 
[12:20] <jelkner> newbies should not even know it's an option
[12:20] <ogra> jelkner, exactly
[12:20] <lamont> ubuntu desktop dropped postfix for breezy, I thought
[12:21] <ogra> jelkner, thats why i'll use local transport for preseeding
[12:21] <ogra> jelkner, so you'll only have to think about mail transport if you really want to ues it as mailserver
[12:22] <ogra> lamont, not yet it seems
[12:22] <ogra> lamont, i use the ubuntu desktop seed as base, its still having a mailserver
[12:23] <BrandonWeeks> Hello
[12:23] <ogra> so either that gets dropped later or we'll keep it 
[12:23] <ogra> hi BrandonWeeks 
[12:23] <BrandonWeeks> HAs the meeting started?
[12:24] <ogra> yup
[12:24] <BrandonWeeks> Thanks
[12:24] <JaneW> BrandonWeeks: 24 mins ago - but welcome
[12:24] <JaneW> BrandonWeeks: you been testing? :)
[12:25] <BrandonWeeks> No I'm setting up my old box for testing now.
[12:25] <JaneW> great
[12:25] <ogra> yeah
[12:27] <ogra> JaneW, i followed the doctem meeting before... they didnt mention edubuntu.. and i still dont see any artwork improvementd
[12:27] <ogra> s/d/s
[12:28] <ogra> is there any feedback ? 
[12:28] <JaneW> damn, I was going to ask about doc team
[12:29] <JaneW> I know jsgotangco is feeling a little frustrated
[12:29] <JaneW> he's been focusing on the cookbook, but can't revise it for us until we have something
[12:29] <ogra> they concentrate on kubuntu and ubuntu it seems... but kubuntu was mentioned even more
[12:29] <JaneW> I think he has gone back to his other docs for a bit
[12:30] <BrandonWeeks> Does anybody have the link to the daily builds, I cant find the link in the wiki anymore?
[12:30] <ogra> as far as i followed the meeting this afternoon
[12:30] <jelkner> question: if i get this to work, can i rely on apt-get upgrade to get me all the way to the final release?
[12:30] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[12:30] <BrandonWeeks> Thank you
[12:30] <ogra> jelkner, yes, yu should :)
[12:30] <jelkner> great!
[12:30] <jelkner> so i can start adding students for the fall, etc
[12:31] <ogra> jelkner, i think so, yes
[12:31] <jelkner> ogra: i understand there are no guarentees, but at least that's the plan ;-)
[12:31] <ogra> jelkner, only -desktop and -server seed will change a bit.. but no essential stuff
[12:32] <ogra> i.e. gcompris waits for inclusion in the desktop seed and moodle/mediawiki for the server
[12:32] <ogra> but that wont kill/change your added students...
[12:33] <ogra> jelkner, see the commented stuff on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[12:33] <BrandonWeeks> For testing I can run the desktop and server on the same box correct?
[12:33] <ogra> and
[12:33] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[12:33] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, yes
[12:34] <BrandonWeeks> Thank you
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra:  the artwork you mentioned what do you mean?
[12:34] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, but currently the X autoconfiguration seems broken, follow the testing notes
[12:34] <JaneW> usplash etc?
[12:34] <ogra> JaneW, splash, wallpaper
[12:34] <ogra> and probably usplash
[12:35] <JaneW> ok, we have ppl who said they were interesed but still not got anything yet
[12:35] <ogra> i'm not sure if we want usplasjh for the thin cliens
[12:35] <JaneW> I'll check with highvoltage to see if he has anything new
[12:35] <JaneW> I mailed Sebastien Loss the guy that made the cool Breezy mascot
[12:35] <ogra> worst case i'll throw something together... we'll have some artwork
[12:35] <JaneW> and he said he is prepared to do something for us for edubuntu
[12:36] <JaneW> should I ask Andy Fitz to help us?
[12:36] <ogra> but the artwork front is very silent anyway, even in ubuntu
[12:36] <JaneW> nod
[12:36] <JaneW> but ogra you shouldn;t do it
[12:36] <ogra> JaneW, he doesnt do very much, i'm in the artwork channel constantly
[12:36] <JaneW> unless you really wants to in your copius spare time!
[12:37] <JaneW> s/wants/want
[12:37] <ogra> JaneW, i worked 2 years ar graphics designer, i could do it...
[12:37] <ogra> its nothing i'm after, but worst case i could produce something
[12:38] <ogra> (something usabel indeed)
[12:39] <JaneW> ogra: I have no doubt you could do it!
[12:39] <ogra> its a thing to do in an afternoon... 
[12:39] <ogra> heh
[12:39] <BrandonWeeks> lol
[12:40] <JaneW> Ok so we need to give ogra space to get the dev on track
[12:40] <JaneW> we need to test test tes
[12:40] <JaneW> t
[12:40] <ogra> yep
[12:40] <JaneW> and we need to get the artwork sorted
[12:40] <JaneW> and the docs finished (but they are also dependant on dev progress)
[12:40] <ogra> and more important, docs
[12:40] <JaneW> what else?
[12:41] <ogra> thats all for now... docs, docs docs
[12:41] <JaneW> besides the cookbook what all do we need there
[12:41] <JaneW> jsgotangco indicated that he has done some other stuff too
[12:41] <ogra> hopefully not much...
[12:42] <ogra> great
[12:42] <JaneW>  *  All standard docs for Ubuntu will also be included in Edubuntu  viewable in Yelp, the doc team will also add some more Edubuntu-specific docs.
[12:42] <JaneW>  * Release notes, faqs, stuff, etc. should come naturally once we have a working system. Jerome did make some basic structured docs on the doc team svn.
[12:42] <ogra> the less docs we need the better our release is :)
[12:42] <JaneW> nod
[12:42] <BrandonWeeks> Right.
[12:42] <JaneW> we ideally should give Jerome a bit of time to do the docs
[12:43] <ogra> yep
[12:43] <JaneW> so as soon as he can d/l and install something that works the better
[12:43] <ogra> he still has time until preview
[12:44] <ogra> i think with my installation notes he'll be fine already... 
[12:44] <ogra> (while these will get shorter with every improvement we make)
[12:45] <ogra> i hope he can test the thin client stuff
[12:45] <ogra> because thats the interesting bit
[12:47] <JaneW> nod
[12:47] <BrandonWeeks> Do you know if the teachers pet  will work with fat cliets?
[12:48] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, i doubt Teachers Pet will make it into this release, probably in universe as a last minute thing.. but not on the CD...
[12:48] <BrandonWeeks> Ok
[12:48] <ogra> www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[12:48] <ogra> thats what i have until now...
[12:48] <BrandonWeeks> Yes, I have saw that.
[12:49] <jelkner> anyone ready for an update on the install?
[12:49] <ogra> it gives you the option to kill student sessions and to connect via vnc...
[12:49] <ogra> but not much more yet
[12:49] <JaneW> jelkner: sure
[12:49] <ogra> jelkner, sure !
[12:49] <jelkner> ogra: your instructions were crystal clear
[12:49] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:49] <jelkner> the server installation finished
[12:50] <jelkner> but the first client i tried to boot kernel panicked
[12:50] <JaneW> ogra: well done :)
[12:51] <ogra> did you try a second time? we have a bug in uninonfs that requires a second boot sometimes
[12:51] <ogra> mdz is on it
[12:51] <jelkner> it failed on mount /opt/ltsp/i386
[12:51] <jelkner> timed out
[12:51] <jelkner> will do now...
[12:51] <mdz> that's not a unionfs bug
[12:51] <ogra> yeah, thats the typical unionfs bug... 
[12:51] <ogra> mdz, ??
[12:52] <mdz> the unionfs module isn't even loaded yet at that point
[12:52] <ogra> ah, yes, rather a timeout in the NIC initialization
[12:52] <mdz> ogra: I CCed you on the Bugzilla bug that I think that is
[12:53] <ogra> mdz, you CCed me on a ton of bugs today... i'll have to walk through them... Cxx bugs all over the place :)
[12:54] <jelkner> second time's a charm!
[12:54] <ogra> 12942c:)
[12:54] <ogra> yay
[12:54] <jelkner> it worked!
[12:54] <ogra> great :)
[12:54] <jelkner> ok, one of my students is about to start a CanDo presentation... i gotta run... thanks folks!
[12:55] <ogra> jelkner, thanks for the feedback, i owe you one :)
[12:55] <jelkner> i'll have plenty more feedback over the next few weeks
[12:55] <jelkner> we are going to be setting up several of these around the area
[12:55] <ogra> great
[12:55] <jelkner> pleanty of tests...
[12:55] <jelkner> cya
[12:55] <mdz> jelkner: there's some sort of race condition there where the card isn't initialized soon enough
[12:55] <ogra> bye
[12:55] <mdz> I think I may need to add a sleep or something until we can figure it out
[12:56] <JaneW> bye jelkner !
[12:56] <jelkner> ok, sleep on it then ;-)
[12:56] <jelkner> bye
[12:56] <JaneW> anything else to discuss?
[12:56] <JaneW> ogra: do you think these sessions are useful in anyway?
[12:57] <ogra> since neither doc or artwork people are here, i think we can close now...
[12:57] <JaneW> I think it helps to get all the info progress and requests bundled together...
[12:57] <ogra> JaneW, yes
[12:57] <JaneW> I don't think this time was great though
[12:57] <JaneW> back to 12:00UTC next wed?
[12:57] <ogra> yepo
[12:57] <ogra> -o
[12:57] <JaneW> yay :)
[12:58] <ogra> lets see what feedback comes on the ML
[12:58] <ajmitch> ogra: don't forget the MOTU meeting next week ;)
[12:58] <ogra> i wont
[12:58] <JaneW> I'll chase up docs and artwork in the meantime
[12:58] <ogra> :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> ogra: I hope having the two meetings on the same day is ok for you?
[12:58] <ogra> sure
[12:59] <ogra> ajmitch, online meetings are not as exhausting as RL meetings
[12:59] <ogra> (and you can scroll back)
[12:59] <ogra> *g*
[01:00] <ogra> ajmitch, in my last RL job i had about 5 2h meetings twice a week :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> ouch :)
[01:00] <ogra> yep
[01:00] <ogra> ajmitch, ask \sh, he has them still :)
[01:00] <JaneW> ogra: you should have enough time to recover by 20:00 ;)
[01:00] <JaneW> ajmitch: enjoy
[01:01] <JaneW> ogra: must last job was one meeting after the next
[01:01] <JaneW> there was hardly time to work in between
[01:01] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[01:01] <ogra> two days a week were lost for meetings
[01:03] <ogra> (and i had two other for twiddling thumbs) 
[01:03] <ogra> so one for real work which was more then enough...
[01:03] <ogra> (a quite boring job)
[01:04] <ogra> thats why \sh does so much for motu :)
[01:06] <JaneW> http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2840801&fSectionId=349&fSetId=204
[01:07] <ogra> lol
[01:08] <ogra> i spent my offline evening in watching sompsons and futurama while drinking scotch ;)
[01:08] <ogra> simpsons even
[01:15] <rob^> I'm sure Intel will release a processor called sompsons one day
[01:15] <JaneW> lol, < brocktice> don't drink and root
[01:15] <ogra> heh
[01:16] <ogra> JaneW, hey, its ubuntu... we sudo *g*
[01:16] <JaneW> ogra: yeah we used to watch every week too
[01:16] <JaneW> true
[01:17] <JaneW> this is a unix guy though
[01:20] <ogra> to qoute my favorite sentence from the root/sudo page (Burgundavia sadly deleted) root and su is *so* 80s :)  
[01:22] <ogra> but if i think about it now, it makes me feel real old ...
[01:27] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:27] <cyphase> anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?
[01:29] <robitaille> cyphase: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[01:30] <robitaille> can't remember seeing anyone from the Bay area in Ubuntu channels. (used to live there in previous life....)
[01:35] <JaneW> heheh
[01:35] <JaneW> night all
[01:36] <ogra> night JaneW 
[05:12] <Templ> Ol!
[05:13] <Templ> Hi there! Ol! Buenas noches!
[06:16] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:32] <seb128> hi
[02:32] <mvo> hi
[02:32] <mvo> no jamesh
[02:32] <mvo> hi jamesh 
[02:33] <jamesh> hi
[02:33] <seb128> hey jamesh
[02:33] <mvo> seb128: so you plan something like "lpi_add_items_with_srcpkgname()" (the function name sucks a bit)?
[02:34] <seb128> right
[02:34] <jamesh> I was thinking more of a "launchpad_integration_set_sourcepackagename()"
[02:34] <jamesh> to be called before add_items() (or whatever)
[02:34] <seb128> why 2 functions?
[02:34] <mvo> yes, that sounds better 
[02:34] <jamesh> well, we currently have 3 functions for adding menu items
[02:35] <jamesh> one for GtkUIManager, one for plain GtkMenu style menus and one for BonoboUI
[02:35] <seb128> oh, right, better than 2 variants of 3 functions
[02:35] <jamesh> this way it is 1+3 functions rather than 2*3 functions
[02:35] <mvo> *nod*
[02:36] <mvo> hehe
[02:43] <jamesh> done (but not really tested)
[02:44] <seb128> waouh, that was quick
[02:44] <mvo> jamesh: thanks, I'll merge it now and do some testing
[02:44] <jamesh> patch-26
[03:03] <JaneW> chmj: will you have a good update in the wiki by the end of today? I need to feed back to mdz
[03:27] <mvo> jamesh, seb128: should we name the python module "LaunchpadIntegration"? or something else? it may look funny to call "LaunchpadIntegration.set_sourcepackagename()" 
[04:33] <seb128> mvo: ups, sorry for not reply ... I've not better name. If you want something else, maybe launchpadi ou lpint ?
[07:07] <cyphase> does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?
[07:18] <cyphase> http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF
[07:20] <cyphase> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL