[12:06] JaneW, i'm still testing different guesses i have... so its likely that i solve it before Kamion comes back [12:06] ogra: ok [12:07] for the desktop task there are still some man inclusion reports pending, but it gets into shape... [12:07] ogra: how serious is this, and is it effecting our timeline badly? [12:07] s/man/main [12:07] JaneW, we'll solve it before preview [12:07] ogra: is Corey still helping with the reports? [12:07] nope [12:07] :( [12:07] i did them myself... [12:07] they are done [12:07] do you need a new helper? [12:07] nope [12:08] and do we have any volunteers? [12:08] all are done, only pending for pitti reviews [12:08] ok [12:08] some packeges need work, thats what i'm on currently [12:08] ok === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:09] nvu is updated to the current version, needs some changes still, but will be ok for inclusion soon... [12:09] mdz asked that I make a call fro more LTSP testers [12:09] JaneW, thats what i made with my maiul today [12:09] mail [12:09] nod [12:10] mhz already tests, jelkner apparently too [12:10] there's a page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest [12:10] hmm [12:10] Jim McQuillan calling for testing === JanC [n=janc@dD5E086DA.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:11] JaneW, they should also see the http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting page [12:11] ogra: is that exactly the same as the edubuntu LTSP testing or not? [12:11] since it uses the current CD we have [12:11] ok [12:12] the more it improves, the less manual work will be needed... i'll build a edubuntu-config package that makes the dhcp part easier [12:12] ogra: what progress do you expect to mkake in the next week or so? [12:12] but in the end we'll have it all automatic, excep you'll need to select the network adresses [12:13] finishing the last tasks for edubuntu-server, starting edubuntu-config [12:13] (desktop is nearly done) [12:13] ogra: DHCP should do that for you...no? Or do you need to give an initial range? [12:14] you'll have to give the range [12:14] thats what the -config package will be for [12:14] + restarting all the needed services... [12:15] for installing edubuntu in the end you will need to: [12:15] create the initial admin user [12:15] give the dhcp range [12:15] ... [12:15] thats all [12:16] cool [12:16] even I could do that ;) [12:16] yep, thanks to mdfz :) [12:16] mdz [12:16] even [12:16] freudian slip there? [12:16] without his perparation this wouldnt be possible [12:17] nod [12:17] ok, it is asking all about postfix configuration... not good [12:17] ogra: done? [12:18] jelkner, that will be presseded for local transport only [12:18] ogra: is there anything else you want to mention wrt to testing? [12:18] ogra: we won't even have to think about this later, yes? [12:18] nope, i'd like to see some feedback to my mail [12:18] ?? [12:19] jelkner, exactly, except you want to use this machine as mailserver, then you run dpkg-reconfigure [12:19] i thought we were aiming at k12-ltsp ease of use [12:19] ogra: well 180 ppl on the list now - hopefully some of those will test and respond! [12:19] why does it even have an MTA? [12:20] sure, but easy things should be easy, and complex things should be possible. if someone *wants* a mail server, we can assume much more about their unix skills [12:20] hi lamont [12:20] lamont, i dont know, it comes from the normal desktop task [12:20] hi JaneW [12:20] newbies should not even know it's an option [12:20] jelkner, exactly [12:20] ubuntu desktop dropped postfix for breezy, I thought [12:21] jelkner, thats why i'll use local transport for preseeding [12:21] jelkner, so you'll only have to think about mail transport if you really want to ues it as mailserver [12:22] lamont, not yet it seems [12:22] lamont, i use the ubuntu desktop seed as base, its still having a mailserver === BrandonWeeks [i=BJW@24.137.154.75] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:23] Hello [12:23] so either that gets dropped later or we'll keep it [12:23] hi BrandonWeeks [12:23] HAs the meeting started? [12:24] yup [12:24] Thanks [12:24] BrandonWeeks: 24 mins ago - but welcome [12:24] BrandonWeeks: you been testing? :) [12:25] No I'm setting up my old box for testing now. [12:25] great [12:25] yeah [12:27] JaneW, i followed the doctem meeting before... they didnt mention edubuntu.. and i still dont see any artwork improvementd [12:27] s/d/s [12:28] is there any feedback ? [12:28] damn, I was going to ask about doc team [12:29] I know jsgotangco is feeling a little frustrated [12:29] he's been focusing on the cookbook, but can't revise it for us until we have something [12:29] they concentrate on kubuntu and ubuntu it seems... but kubuntu was mentioned even more [12:29] I think he has gone back to his other docs for a bit [12:30] Does anybody have the link to the daily builds, I cant find the link in the wiki anymore? [12:30] as far as i followed the meeting this afternoon [12:30] question: if i get this to work, can i rely on apt-get upgrade to get me all the way to the final release? [12:30] BrandonWeeks, http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [12:30] Thank you [12:30] jelkner, yes, yu should :) [12:30] great! [12:30] so i can start adding students for the fall, etc [12:31] jelkner, i think so, yes [12:31] ogra: i understand there are no guarentees, but at least that's the plan ;-) [12:31] jelkner, only -desktop and -server seed will change a bit.. but no essential stuff [12:32] i.e. gcompris waits for inclusion in the desktop seed and moodle/mediawiki for the server [12:32] but that wont kill/change your added students... [12:33] jelkner, see the commented stuff on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop [12:33] For testing I can run the desktop and server on the same box correct? [12:33] and [12:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server [12:33] BrandonWeeks, yes [12:34] Thank you [12:34] ogra: the artwork you mentioned what do you mean? [12:34] BrandonWeeks, but currently the X autoconfiguration seems broken, follow the testing notes [12:34] usplash etc? [12:34] JaneW, splash, wallpaper [12:34] and probably usplash [12:35] ok, we have ppl who said they were interesed but still not got anything yet [12:35] i'm not sure if we want usplasjh for the thin cliens [12:35] I'll check with highvoltage to see if he has anything new [12:35] I mailed Sebastien Loss the guy that made the cool Breezy mascot [12:35] worst case i'll throw something together... we'll have some artwork [12:35] and he said he is prepared to do something for us for edubuntu [12:36] should I ask Andy Fitz to help us? [12:36] but the artwork front is very silent anyway, even in ubuntu [12:36] nod [12:36] but ogra you shouldn;t do it === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:36] JaneW, he doesnt do very much, i'm in the artwork channel constantly [12:36] unless you really wants to in your copius spare time! === JanC [n=janc@dD5E086DA.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:37] s/wants/want [12:37] JaneW, i worked 2 years ar graphics designer, i could do it... [12:37] its nothing i'm after, but worst case i could produce something [12:38] (something usabel indeed) [12:39] ogra: I have no doubt you could do it! === JaneW proposed we change the name to ograbuntu [12:39] its a thing to do in an afternoon... [12:39] heh [12:39] lol [12:40] Ok so we need to give ogra space to get the dev on track [12:40] we need to test test tes [12:40] t [12:40] yep [12:40] and we need to get the artwork sorted [12:40] and the docs finished (but they are also dependant on dev progress) [12:40] and more important, docs [12:40] what else? [12:41] thats all for now... docs, docs docs [12:41] besides the cookbook what all do we need there [12:41] jsgotangco indicated that he has done some other stuff too [12:41] hopefully not much... [12:42] great [12:42] * All standard docs for Ubuntu will also be included in Edubuntu viewable in Yelp, the doc team will also add some more Edubuntu-specific docs. [12:42] * Release notes, faqs, stuff, etc. should come naturally once we have a working system. Jerome did make some basic structured docs on the doc team svn. [12:42] the less docs we need the better our release is :) [12:42] nod [12:42] Right. [12:42] we ideally should give Jerome a bit of time to do the docs [12:43] yep [12:43] so as soon as he can d/l and install something that works the better [12:43] he still has time until preview [12:44] i think with my installation notes he'll be fine already... [12:44] (while these will get shorter with every improvement we make) [12:45] i hope he can test the thin client stuff [12:45] because thats the interesting bit [12:47] nod [12:47] Do you know if the teachers pet will work with fat cliets? [12:48] BrandonWeeks, i doubt Teachers Pet will make it into this release, probably in universe as a last minute thing.. but not on the CD... [12:48] Ok [12:48] www.grawert.net/SCP.png [12:48] thats what i have until now... [12:48] Yes, I have saw that. [12:49] anyone ready for an update on the install? [12:49] it gives you the option to kill student sessions and to connect via vnc... [12:49] but not much more yet [12:49] jelkner: sure [12:49] jelkner, sure ! [12:49] ogra: your instructions were crystal clear [12:49] thanks :) [12:49] the server installation finished [12:50] but the first client i tried to boot kernel panicked [12:50] ogra: well done :) [12:51] did you try a second time? we have a bug in uninonfs that requires a second boot sometimes [12:51] mdz is on it [12:51] it failed on mount /opt/ltsp/i386 [12:51] timed out [12:51] will do now... [12:51] that's not a unionfs bug [12:51] yeah, thats the typical unionfs bug... [12:51] mdz, ?? [12:52] the unionfs module isn't even loaded yet at that point [12:52] ah, yes, rather a timeout in the NIC initialization [12:52] ogra: I CCed you on the Bugzilla bug that I think that is [12:53] mdz, you CCed me on a ton of bugs today... i'll have to walk through them... Cxx bugs all over the place :) [12:54] second time's a charm! [12:54] 12942c:) [12:54] yay [12:54] it worked! [12:54] great :) [12:54] ok, one of my students is about to start a CanDo presentation... i gotta run... thanks folks! [12:55] jelkner, thanks for the feedback, i owe you one :) [12:55] i'll have plenty more feedback over the next few weeks [12:55] we are going to be setting up several of these around the area [12:55] great [12:55] pleanty of tests... [12:55] cya [12:55] jelkner: there's some sort of race condition there where the card isn't initialized soon enough [12:55] bye [12:55] I think I may need to add a sleep or something until we can figure it out [12:56] bye jelkner ! [12:56] ok, sleep on it then ;-) [12:56] bye [12:56] anything else to discuss? [12:56] ogra: do you think these sessions are useful in anyway? [12:57] since neither doc or artwork people are here, i think we can close now... [12:57] I think it helps to get all the info progress and requests bundled together... [12:57] JaneW, yes [12:57] I don't think this time was great though [12:57] back to 12:00UTC next wed? [12:57] yepo [12:57] -o [12:57] yay :) [12:58] lets see what feedback comes on the ML [12:58] ogra: don't forget the MOTU meeting next week ;) [12:58] i wont [12:58] I'll chase up docs and artwork in the meantime [12:58] :) [12:58] ogra: I hope having the two meetings on the same day is ok for you? [12:58] sure [12:59] ajmitch, online meetings are not as exhausting as RL meetings [12:59] (and you can scroll back) [12:59] *g* === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:JaneW] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 23 Aug 20:00 UTC Tech Board | 24 Aug 12:00 UTC : Edubuntu Update Meeting | 24 Aug 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 25 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council [01:00] ajmitch, in my last RL job i had about 5 2h meetings twice a week :) [01:00] ouch :) [01:00] yep [01:00] ajmitch, ask \sh, he has them still :) [01:00] ogra: you should have enough time to recover by 20:00 ;) === ajmitch has a RL meeting in a few minutes [01:00] ajmitch: enjoy [01:01] ogra: must last job was one meeting after the next [01:01] there was hardly time to work in between [01:01] JaneW, yep [01:01] two days a week were lost for meetings [01:03] (and i had two other for twiddling thumbs) [01:03] so one for real work which was more then enough... [01:03] (a quite boring job) [01:04] thats why \sh does so much for motu :) [01:06] http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2840801&fSectionId=349&fSetId=204 [01:07] lol [01:08] i spent my offline evening in watching sompsons and futurama while drinking scotch ;) [01:08] simpsons even [01:15] I'm sure Intel will release a processor called sompsons one day [01:15] lol, < brocktice> don't drink and root [01:15] heh [01:16] JaneW, hey, its ubuntu... we sudo *g* [01:16] ogra: yeah we used to watch every week too [01:16] true [01:17] this is a unix guy though [01:20] to qoute my favorite sentence from the root/sudo page (Burgundavia sadly deleted) root and su is *so* 80s :) [01:22] but if i think about it now, it makes me feel real old ... === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-67-125-91-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:27] hey everyone [01:27] anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area? [01:29] cyphase: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide [01:30] can't remember seeing anyone from the Bay area in Ubuntu channels. (used to live there in previous life....) === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:35] heheh [01:35] night all [01:36] night JaneW === JanC [n=janc@dD5E086DA.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-67-125-91-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joolz_ [n=joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-064-154.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Templ [n=zuhlluh@200.146.7.120.dialup.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:12] Ol! [05:13] Hi there! Ol! Buenas noches! === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@pcp0010489211pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Templ [n=zuhlluh@200.146.7.120.dialup.gvt.net.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === doko [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-064-154.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === smurfix [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === moquist [n=moquist@pool-68-237-137-146.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:16] hey everyone === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@150.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089DB2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089FEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089EC6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089DA0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-54.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:32] hi [02:32] hi [02:32] no jamesh === jamesh [n=james@203-59-251-126.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:32] hi jamesh [02:33] hi [02:33] hey jamesh [02:33] seb128: so you plan something like "lpi_add_items_with_srcpkgname()" (the function name sucks a bit)? [02:34] right [02:34] I was thinking more of a "launchpad_integration_set_sourcepackagename()" [02:34] to be called before add_items() (or whatever) [02:34] why 2 functions? [02:34] yes, that sounds better [02:34] well, we currently have 3 functions for adding menu items [02:35] one for GtkUIManager, one for plain GtkMenu style menus and one for BonoboUI [02:35] oh, right, better than 2 variants of 3 functions [02:35] this way it is 1+3 functions rather than 2*3 functions [02:35] *nod* === mez_ [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jamesh does a quick impl === mvo was about to start it too :) === seb128 too [02:36] hehe [02:43] done (but not really tested) [02:44] waouh, that was quick [02:44] jamesh: thanks, I'll merge it now and do some testing [02:44] patch-26 === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mez_ [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@pcp0010489211pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:03] chmj: will you have a good update in the wiki by the end of today? I need to feed back to mdz === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mez_ [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jdthood [n=jdthood@x122.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:27] jamesh, seb128: should we name the python module "LaunchpadIntegration"? or something else? it may look funny to call "LaunchpadIntegration.set_sourcepackagename()" === jdthood [n=jdthood@x122.decis.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === mez__ [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mez_ [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mez__ [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:33] mvo: ups, sorry for not reply ... I've not better name. If you want something else, maybe launchpadi ou lpint ? === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:07] does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened? 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