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Mez\sh_away, $100 laptops?01:01
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sistpoty<-- off to bed01:13
sistpotygn8 all01:13
tsengajmitch: ok here is the score. one bug fixed in gtk-sharp 2.3 (confirmed by me), one fix pending in f-spot cvs01:13
tsengajmitch: the 3rd bug i found i cant reproduce on this box, and neither can lewing01:14
ajmitchso I'd have to get the cvs snapshot, as I can't backport a switch to 2.x :)01:14
ajmitchand ETA on new f-spot release?01:14
tsengbeats me01:14
tseng15:14 < lewing> I'll make a 0.1.1 in a week or so01:14
tsenghows that01:14
ajmitchsounds good01:14
tseng /lastlog for the win01:15
tsengso.. 2.301:15
tsengthe score so far01:15
tsengone patch (muine), many rebuilds (monodevelop)01:15
tsengMD runs, but the templates need love01:15
tsengnow im not so gung ho about getting on -devel and asking for exemption01:16
tsengsort of sucktacular01:16
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mgalvinslomo: ping02:16
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mgalvinwell if anyone has time i updated my packages in revu, thanks in advance for reviewing them02:26
mgalvinls02:27
jabraanyone if qt4 is in breezy?02:31
theantix"apt-cache search qt4" returns zero results...02:34
NafalloAccepted qt4-x11 4.0.0-3 (source)02:35
jabraya I am trying to get it to workin currenetly in hoary but without any luck02:36
jabraanyone have experience with it?02:36
tseng\sh_away: haha you are the coolest02:41
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=== ajmitch is out for the weekend, bye all :)
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c0rrupt_aparently there is a hole in proftpd, but the repos are not up to date08:09
siretartc0rrupt_: references?08:12
c0rrupt_nessus08:12
c0rrupt_i did a local scan08:12
c0rrupt_want the scan log?08:12
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theantixubuntu main has vsftpd though right?08:13
c0rrupt_?08:15
c0rrupt_siretart, do you want me to send my nessus report?08:16
c0rrupt_i actually have many vuls but i just ran apt-get upgrade.08:16
siretartc0rrupt_: yes, please08:16
c0rrupt_what format do you want it i08:16
c0rrupt_in08:16
siretartascii?08:16
c0rrupt_do you have nessus?08:17
c0rrupt_i can send it in the nessus format....08:17
siretartno, sorry08:17
c0rrupt_ok,08:17
c0rrupt_acutally there is many vuln08:18
c0rrupt_proftpd is just one08:18
siretartc0rrupt_: can you make a list of CAN #?08:18
c0rrupt_can what?08:19
siretartc0rrupt_: if you can, it would be very great, if you could mail them to security-review@lists.ubuntu.com08:19
c0rrupt_ok08:19
c0rrupt_take a good look at it, there is many vulns08:19
c0rrupt_at apparently im up to date.08:19
c0rrupt_so a lot of people are probably unsecure08:20
siretartyou are sure that arn't false positives?08:20
c0rrupt_yes08:20
siretartyou can look up can numbers here: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/08:20
c0rrupt_ok, mail sent08:23
c0rrupt_gaim also has security holes08:24
c0rrupt_new version fixed them08:24
siretartbrb08:25
c0rrupt_did you get the mail?08:26
siretartnot yet08:26
c0rrupt_i got a message back08:27
c0rrupt_it say08:27
c0rrupt_says*08:27
c0rrupt_your message... Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.08:27
c0rrupt_i sent the scan log as an attachment, i prolly should have just pasted it into the body of the message08:28
c0rrupt_should i re-send?08:30
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c0rrupt_?08:37
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c0rrupt_siretart, im leaving soon so i need to know if you got it08:38
c0rrupt_i sent it again. with the log in the body of the email08:43
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Treenaks... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4162692.stm09:45
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siretartc0rrupt__: you can check it yourself here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/10:03
siretartc0rrupt__: in doubt, CC: me (siretart@tauware.de)10:03
c0rrupt__ok10:03
c0rrupt__is it there yet?10:05
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pefhello12:35
dredgmorning.12:35
pefis knights-0.6.4-beta0-ubuntu1 a correct version ?12:35
peffor a program named knights-0.6.4-beta, and not yet packaged12:36
dredglooks correct12:36
tseng\sh:12:36
tsengmythtv_0.18-2ubuntu1_20050818-2347-i386-successful.gz12:36
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\shtseng: yes..but the rest not01:06
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sedakhello01:26
sedakis someone here ?01:26
dredgno one here except for us chickens01:27
sedakhi01:27
SloMo_hi sedak ;)01:28
sedaki've made a new package01:28
sedakfor a driver i needed01:28
SloMo_what driver?01:28
sedakfor old wifi card01:28
sedakhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1267901:28
sedakwell01:29
sedaki'm not a maintainer01:29
sedakbut it seems to work fine with make-kpkg and module-assistant01:30
SloMo_hm, ask siretart for upload rights on revu, upload it there and we'll see :)01:30
sedakok01:30
ogra__hmm, why did you make a separate package instead of convincing the kernel maintainr to include it in the linux package ?01:30
sedakbecause01:30
ogra__??01:30
sedaki'm not sure if it's really stable01:31
sedaki'm not the one who made the driver01:31
sedakbut it work fine with my card01:31
ogra__is it considered for inclusion in the kernel tree upstream ?01:31
sedakbafore i used ndiswrapper, and it make ubuntu frozen01:31
SloMo_sedak: better an unstable driver than no driver i think ;)01:32
ogra__if so, and if fabbione considers it stable enough, we can include it in the linux package01:32
sedakeuh i didn't ask actually01:32
sedakbut if we make it a separate package, it's a good way to test it, isn't it ?01:32
ogra__could you find that out ? then it could probaly get included in our default kernel... its a bit odd to have network card drivers in universe...01:33
sedakok01:33
ogra__sine you will need network access to install it ;)01:33
ogra__since even01:33
sedakso i could make a patch for the kernel01:33
sedakand then ask to fabbione to add it ?01:33
ogra__sedak, talk to fabbione in #ubuntu-devel, he's the kernel maintainer01:34
sedakok01:34
ogra__he will know if it can get included or needs to stay in universe01:34
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sedakok, i asked siretart and he added me to the keyring01:44
sedakbut as it's my first time ...01:44
sedakwhat should i do now ?01:44
siretartsedak: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU01:44
sedakthanks :-)01:45
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sedakit's uploaded02:15
siretartsedak: there are many dh_make (or others) leftovers02:20
siretartlike http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/rtl8180-kernel-0508191415/rtl8180-kernel-0.22.0cvs050817/debian/README.Debian02:20
siretartor debian/rules02:20
siretartsedak: please clean them up02:20
siretartif it isn't going to ubuntu kernel, that is02:21
sedakok02:21
sedaksiretart, what do you exactly mean  ?02:24
sladensiretart: wow, I was just looking at that driver earlier...02:24
sedakthe debian/rules need to be there to build the module with module-assistant ...02:25
sedakand the README.Debian explain how to build it02:25
siretartsedak: there are many unnecessary comments left over02:25
ograsedak, but yu normally rip out all th unneded template stuff from this file02:25
sedakok02:26
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sedakit's uploaded again ...02:50
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YagisanSloMo_ ping02:55
SloMo_Yagisan: pong02:56
YagisanSloMo_: deng is perfect now. new upload finished02:56
YagisanSloMo_: now to fix the lintian errors on my installers :)02:58
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mgalvinhi all03:13
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YagisanIs it ok to ignore lintian warnings caused by dh_installmenu ?03:23
SloMo_Yagisan: depends ;) are the warnings correct or just false warnings?03:24
YagisanSloMo_: it's just a menu-file-in-usr-lib warning.03:24
YagisanSloMo_: thats where dh_installmenu puts the menu entry03:25
SloMo_why is it in /usr/lib?03:25
SloMo_hmm03:25
SloMo_sounds wrong ;)03:25
Yagisanold location for menu command03:25
Yagisanaccording to lintian it moved, but the menus works there03:25
mgalvinSloMo_: just letting you know that mmsrip is updated, i added the man page and cleaned up a few other things too03:26
SloMo_Yagisan: hmm... don't know03:26
SloMo_mgalvin, Yagisan: i'll look at your packages on sunday as i'm away over the weekend03:26
YagisanI'll ignore it. When debhelper is updated, it'll fix itself03:26
mgalvinok, no rush, thnx03:27
Yagisanno problem slomo,03:28
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marcinhi all03:46
marcinI got a question that propably could be a little strange for some debian maintainters03:47
marcinbut anyway I would like to ask if is this posible to provide source packages that doesn't provide03:47
marcinsources at all?03:48
Yagisanwhat do you mean ?03:48
Yagisanis it data ?03:48
marcinjust scripts and some rules to fetch sources when building?03:48
marcinfor example to build cvs snapshot packages03:48
YagisanI uploaded some sources that fetch data on disk and move it to a location needed by a package03:49
\shmarcin: what u mean is "ebuild"?03:50
marcin\sh: yes I know03:50
Yagisanthey might be usefull for you03:50
tsengeven if it is possible, it would surely be frowned on being in the official archive03:50
marcinYagisan: when can I find these spackages?03:50
tsengrandom cvs snapshotting is evil03:50
Yagisanrevu, look for any deng-*-installer package03:51
Yagisanout of curiosity, what do you need from cvs03:51
Yagisan?03:51
marcinYagisan: currently - emacs03:54
marcinYagisan: but cvs snapshots are just example - my question was general about packages without sources03:55
Yagisanok. try to avoid it if possible.03:56
YagisanI hope my packages were of some use to you03:56
marcinYagisan: you know sometimes it sucks that you need to download all sources when you just want to take a look on some /debian scripts03:56
marcinYagisan: on rpm based distros if you want to know how something was packaged you have to download only small spec file03:56
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marcinYagisan: on debian you need to download all sources and additional files03:57
torkelmarcin: in most cases it is enough to download the .diff.gz03:58
marcintorkel: hmm true03:58
marcinbtw how you guys get info about new versions/releases of software?04:00
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Yagisanmyself, I talk to upstream04:00
marcindo you have some sripts that monitor selected cvs repositories and report changes?04:00
Yagisanothers use watch files04:00
marcinI see04:02
marcinand when you got some package - do you edit them manually (write rules, manage dependencies) or maybe you have04:03
marcina bunch of templates and scripts?04:03
marcinfor example what you do when you got somepackage_1.0-1 and you want to create somepackage_1.0-2?04:04
Yagisanis somepackage_1.0-1 already an ubuntu package ?04:05
marcinYagisan: ok let's say somepackage_1.0-0ubuntu1 and somepackage_1.0-0ubuntu204:06
marcinYagisan: to be more specific04:06
marcinYagisan: and another scenario is when you got somepackage_1.0-ubuntu[1-n] 04:07
marcinYagisan: and then developers release somepackage_2.0 and you need to prepare ubuntu packages fot this tree04:07
marcins/fot/for04:07
YagisanI just followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html04:07
Yagisanto update mine04:07
YagisanI just went through your last scenario, about 4 weeks ago04:08
YagisanIt was rather painless04:08
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sistpotyhi folks04:10
SloMo_hi sistpoty04:11
marcinYagisan: thanks - my fault I skipped this part of guide04:11
YagisanGlday sistpoty04:12
sistpotyhi SloMo_ and Yagisan04:12
Yagisanmarcin: no problems, I skipped it to, untill upstream did two releases in two days04:12
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sedaksiretart, i think the package is fine now05:08
sedakat http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=42805:08
sedakwhat should i do next ?05:08
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sistpotysedak: ask motus to have it reviewed (or simply what until a motu reviews it) ;)05:13
sistpotysedak: btw.: have you tried to build it in pbuilder?05:14
sedakactually05:14
sedaki don't know what is pbuilder ...05:14
sedaki'll have a look :-)05:14
ograwiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto05:15
sistpotysedak: this is a kernel-module? shouldn't you build-depend on kernel-headers or s.th. then?05:16
Yagisansedak: your package failed to build in pbuilder05:16
sedak:'(05:16
sedakok05:16
Yagisansedak: you need a build dep on bzip205:16
sedaki thought it was build-depend ...05:17
sedakthat's true05:17
Yagisansedak: /bin/sh: bzip2: command not found05:17
Yagisansedak: your control file only has debhelper in the build-depends line05:18
sistpotysedak: i think you should mixed depends and build-depends ;)05:19
sistpoty'/s/mixed/exchange/05:19
sistpotywhat package should wxpython-packages depend on? wxpython or libwxgtk-python or to one of them with specific version?05:23
sistpotyor is there a way to get this done with python:Depends?05:23
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sistpotycya later06:13
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havocwhat option do I need to make 'ps' show the group?06:38
havocis that even possible>06:38
havoc?06:38
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slomoyeah... dirac got accepted :D06:49
slomocan someone look at gst-plugins-multiverse after dirac hit the archives?06:53
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GazerWorkslomo, hi!, I uploaded a new version of ceferino package, now it build fine with pbuilder. I would thank you if you can watch it06:59
sedakhavoc, ps -eH -o pid,user,egid,cmd07:00
sedaki don't know if you want the GID, EGID ...07:01
havocsedak: thanx07:04
havocsedak: it was actually chillywilly that was asking07:05
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c0rrupt_siretart, what was the link you gave me that i could watch for information on my email07:11
siretartc0rrupt_: ah, sorry about before, my connection died07:13
siretartthere seem to be problems with that list07:13
siretartcan you mail that to me and nafallo?07:13
c0rrupt_nafallo?07:16
c0rrupt_where do you want me to mail it to07:17
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tseng\sh: you arent my hero anymore07:25
tseng\sh: you didnt fix libmyth depends!07:25
tseng\sh: ill fix it tonight maybe07:26
c0rrupt_sire..?07:26
c0rrupt_whats your email addresses07:26
siretartnafallo@magicalforest.se and siretart@tauware.de07:31
\shtseng: amd64 powerpc ftbfs07:32
tseng\sh: thats fine but.. depends:07:33
\shargl07:33
tseng\sh: has libqt3c102-mt-mysql, doesnt exist since transition07:33
\shshit07:33
\shfck..didn't see that07:33
c0rrupt_ok mail sent07:34
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\shgrmpf07:37
\shI'm fighting with shtoom07:37
siretartc0rrupt_: how do you count 22 issues?!07:40
c0rrupt_huh?07:40
siretartc0rrupt_: I wouldn't give that much on that report07:41
c0rrupt_its a lot of data..07:42
c0rrupt_but its important07:42
siretartc0rrupt_: debian/ubuntu are backporting security patches. so only looking at the version number isn;t that good07:42
c0rrupt_all those issues should be worked out07:42
Nafallowho is joe des? (/me have to get a proxy with backlog)07:42
c0rrupt_i am07:42
Nafalloah, could you please do the scan from somewhere !localhost?07:43
c0rrupt_i know, localhost is all i could do07:43
c0rrupt_but those flaws are still there.07:43
c0rrupt_for example gaim and  proftpd are remote07:44
Nafallonormally postfix shouldn't turn up on the list, and the ssh stuff is... well, not an issue ;-)07:44
c0rrupt_yea07:44
c0rrupt_i just sent the whole report07:44
c0rrupt_why isnt the newest proftpd server in the repos07:44
Nafallothat's why I use vsftpd ;-)07:44
c0rrupt_lol...07:44
c0rrupt_are you helping with security or no07:44
NafalloI do. that's why I rather run secure services :-)07:45
Nafallohmm07:45
Nafallocvs07:45
siretartintersting that debian neiter has any DSA07:45
Nafallocvs is secured07:46
siretartis this the reported flaw? http://bugs.proftpd.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264507:46
siretartyes, it is07:47
Nafalloimagemagick likewise07:47
siretartthen it is already fixed in the debian package and in breezy07:47
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c0rrupt_i dont use breezy07:47
Nafallobzip2 to07:48
c0rrupt_people in #ubuntu said breezy destroys stuff07:48
c0rrupt_and not to use it07:48
Nafalloc0rrupt_: could. it's not stable yet :-)07:48
c0rrupt_so, what should i do to update my software.07:49
siretarthm. the debdiff from hoarys proftpd to breezys proftpd is rather large07:50
siretartbut mainly bugfixes for several issues07:51
siretartc0rrupt_: perhaps you could request a backport from Mez07:51
c0rrupt_o.0?07:51
siretartc0rrupt_: or do the backport yourself, if you need the fix fast07:51
c0rrupt_not nescarily07:52
Nafalloehm07:53
NafalloI can't find that CAN on our cve-tool07:54
siretartseems to be only in proftpd.org bugzilla07:54
c0rrupt_Hm07:54
siretartNafallo: what cvs-tool?07:54
Nafallosiretart: ubuntu-cve07:54
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Nafallohaha. I don't think we will need to fix those ;-)07:58
Nafallosiretart: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/RELEASE_NOTES-1.3.0rc207:58
c0rrupt_o.007:58
Nafallounder bugfixes :-P07:58
siretartNafallo: http://changelog.debian.net/proftpd07:59
siretartNafallo: revisions -20 and -1907:59
Lathiatsiretart: whats the deal with having debian/ in upstream tarballs? (here, me being upstream, should i have my debian/ dir i plan to keep sane in my svn tree?)08:00
siretartLathiat: no. better don't08:00
siretartLathiat: you really want to seperate debian integration and upstream work. even if you are upstram08:00
jamessan|workyou can keep it in svn, but keep it separate from the source08:00
Nafallosiretart: Both can be considered low risk, as they require active involvement on the part of the site administrator in order to be08:00
Nafallo exploited08:00
Nafallosiretart: if you will want to put time on them, be my guest :-)08:01
c0rrupt_i see,,.08:01
c0rrupt_but, what about the others08:01
siretartNafallo: sorry. I'd rather request a backport from Mez08:01
Nafallosiretart: indeed08:01
siretartc0rrupt_: do you run an cvs pserver?08:02
c0rrupt_nope08:02
siretartsame for cvs, fixed in breezy08:03
Nafallo1:1.12.9-9ubuntu0.1 and hoary08:03
siretartah, ok08:04
Nafalloand warty ;-)08:04
Nafallocvs is in main :-)08:04
Nafallomain is secured :-)08:04
Nafalloexcept krb5 :-P08:04
Nafalloor wait. this will have to be one of those that's not named as in debian08:05
tsengLathiat: i cant find preseed on the wiki, any idea?08:06
Lathiattseng: nope, try debian docs ?08:06
tsengoh08:07
tsenghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet?highlight=%28preseed%2908:07
tsengthis looks like a winner08:07
tsengstupid title search08:07
Nafallohmm08:07
Nafalloisn't mozilla-firefox dropped from breezy?08:07
Lathiatooh shiny08:07
Lathiati could automate reinstallation of my laptop :)08:08
tsengyeah i have 10 boxes to build08:08
tsengfast08:08
Lathiatbe cool if you could specify a preseed file08:08
Lathiattseng: heh, what for?08:08
tsengthey are sniffers08:08
Lathiatah08:08
tsengwe put ethereal boxes behind all our firewalls08:08
tsengfor debugging08:08
Lathiatyeh you were saying08:08
tsengdid i tell you about my google map?08:09
Lathiatwell you definately need some way of specify a uri to a preseed file08:09
Lathiattsnope ?08:09
tsengi made a map with all the data centers in the US08:09
tsengyou just click one to start a sniffer08:09
Lathiathaha08:09
Lathiatnice08:09
tsengits rad08:09
Lathiatoh man08:09
Lathiatthats just..08:09
Lathiatscary :08:09
Lathiat)08:09
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tsengbye.08:10
Nafallotseng: see you :-)08:10
Nafallosiretart: what does revu run, mini-dinstall?08:10
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siretartNafallo: revu2 will, revu atm does just drop the files into dirs08:11
siretartNafallo: if you are interested in hacking, you can check out the svn repo: svn co http://siretart.tauware.de/svn/revu2/trunk08:12
Nafallosiretart: ah, oki. I will probably want something else. something like what daf has :-)08:12
siretartwho is daf?08:13
Nafallosiretart: rosetta admin and DD :-)08:13
Lathiatnight all08:13
Lathiat2am is late enough. :)08:13
siretartgn8 Lathiat08:13
siretartNafallo: what does he use?08:14
Nafallosiretart: people.ubuntu.com/~daf/packages/08:14
Nafallosiretart: dunno yet, he's on vacation ;-)08:14
siretartNafallo: looks to me like manual apt-ftparchive08:14
siretartNafallo: look into debarchiver, thats nice for that purpose08:15
Nafallouniverse does not go on my server ;-)08:17
Nafalloapt-ftparchive is main though :-)08:17
c0rrupt_SO08:18
c0rrupt_whats going to happ?08:18
Nafalloc0rrupt_: those things looked like fixed/won't do stuff08:18
c0rrupt_bleh08:19
c0rrupt_thanks for your troubles anyways then08:19
Nafallono problem08:20
johnysiretart, i've been told to use pbuilder to fix my package because it couldn't be built with some people, but we i tried, it worked for me08:21
johnyso i don't know what to do next08:21
johnymaybe it is because i'm using breezy ...08:22
siretartjohny: tell them to update their pbuilder08:22
johnyok08:22
johnywell, anyway, anyone'd like who to review the package can do it now08:24
johnyif they have a rtl8081 chip based wifi card, it could help :-)08:25
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c0rrupt_i use rtl818008:26
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johnyc0rrupt_, which driver do you use ?08:30
johnyndiswrapper or the free one ?08:30
c0rrupt_both08:30
c0rrupt_both work08:30
c0rrupt_right now im using the one from08:31
johnyok08:31
c0rrupt_sourceforge08:31
c0rrupt_but the ndiswrapper works fine08:31
johnyi've made a package for this one08:31
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johnyif you want to test it, it'll be cool :-)08:31
johnyit's here:08:31
johnyhttp://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=43908:31
Yagisanjohny are you sedak ?08:32
johnyyes !!08:32
johnysorry08:32
johnyi changed ../nick sedak08:32
Yagisanfunny you should mention that08:32
Yagisanjamie@workhorse:~/pbuilder/ubuntu$ lintian rtl8180-kernel_0.22.0cvs050817-1_i386.changes08:33
YagisanW: rtl8180-kernel source: build-depends-without-arch-dep08:33
YagisanE: rtl8180-kernel source: depends-on-build-essential-package-without-using-version make [build-depends: make] 08:33
Yagisan:)08:33
sedaki have different name on different server08:33
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sedaki rebooted and forget to change it08:33
Yagisanbrb, food08:33
sedakoups08:34
sedaki haven't seen that appeared08:34
sedaki'll try to fix that again ...08:34
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sedaklintian problem is corrected now09:03
Yagisansedak, is there supposed to be a link in /usr/share/modass/overrides ?09:11
sedakyes09:11
YagisanI ask, because browsing through the deb with mc, it shows as a broken link09:12
sedakso that module-assistant know that it is a module package09:12
sedakyes09:12
Yagisanno probs09:12
sedakbut it is a link into a file of module assistant package09:12
sedakand with the depends:, no problem anymore :-)09:13
Yagisanok - I haven't needed to use module-assitant, so I thought it would be smart to ask09:13
sedakactually, the better way would be to tell the module-assistant maintainer to add rtl8081 to the static list of known module packages09:14
sedakbut for now, this is a temporary decision09:14
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ivoksevening09:26
\shhey ivoks09:28
ivokshey09:28
ivokswhat's up?09:29
\shstrange things are going on ,-)09:30
ivokshehe09:30
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\shthe pope arrived in my area...and all our tv services are going crazy since then ,-)09:30
ivokshaha09:30
\shand somehow all my light went off...*strange*09:31
ivoksnow is time to catch up with ubuntu development09:31
ivokstalking about strange things... my modem responds to AT command, all AT command, except those ATDT and ATDP :)09:32
\shhahaha09:32
ivoksbut works in Windows :)09:33
\shI just got shtoom with sipgate running :)09:33
ivoksomg09:41
ivokstrying to install nvidia-glx results in installing lvm and mdadm... WTF?09:41
tsengivoks: you dont really need ATDT anyway09:42
ivokstseng: i don't?09:42
tsengyoud think you wanted to dial. or something.09:42
ivokswell, it's not important...09:43
ivoksi decided to buy ADSL for my house on sea side :)09:44
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