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[01:08] <Bags> Hi all
[01:08] <Bags> I've removed the original CDROM drive and installed another, but now I have no CDROM functionality. 
[01:09] <Bags> WOuld anyone be so kind as to tell me what I need to do to remove the original device installation and force KDE to discover the new device? 
[01:10] <Bags> Pretty quiet in here...
[01:10] <Tm_T> ssshh
[01:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: heyhey :)
[01:14] <nikkia> hey apokryphos
[01:15] <nikkia> i got assigned my 'next' project today :/
[01:15] <apokryphos> turns out I'm probably getting my comp in wo weeks, not tomorrow (or, rather, today)
[01:15] <nikkia> (haven't even finished my current one, mind you)
[01:15] <apokryphos> oh, fun :|. What is it?
[01:15] <apokryphos> Your boss must be a little crazy ;-)
[01:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: writing a graphics API for a strategic partner
[01:16] <nmorse> Anyone else getting BADSIG errors from GPG when doing an 'apt-get update'?
[01:16] <nikkia> boss: 'how long you reckon? 2 weeks?'  me: 'yeah, that sounds about right'  boss: 'ok, i'll tell em 6 then'
[01:16] <apokryphos> hahaha
[01:17] <nikkia> when i say 'graphics API' its about 10 functions that interface to Direct3D, that they want
[01:19] <nmorse> So I take it I'm the only one getting these errors?
[01:21] <nmorse> It's the same key signature for each of the four repositories.
[01:21] <nmorse> security.ubuntu.org, archive.ubuntu.org, and us.archive.ubuntu.org (both hoary and hoary-updates)
[01:29] <ilba7r> what is the command line to logout from x session
[01:37] <Pupeno> Hello.
[01:38] <Pupeno> How do I make a printer connected to my wife's kubuntu accessible from my computer ?
[01:40] <mike22> Pupeno:is it on a network?
[01:41] <Pupeno> mike22: yes, we are both on the same network.
[01:44] <mike22> Pupeno: try http://localhost:673
[01:45] <Pupeno> mike22: that doesn't work out of the box because kubuntu's cups only binds 127.0.0.1.
[01:46] <Pupeno> I am not siting on the kubuntu box either (now).
[01:47] <mike22> you can manage the printer on a network using cups
[01:47] <mike22> you get to it through the web browser at http://localhost:631
[01:49] <Pupeno> ok, nevermind.
[01:55] <mike23> greetrings
[01:55] <mike23> greetings
[02:00] <mike23> I see
[02:00] <mike23> what is the password for admin tasks under cups iin kubuntu?
[02:01] <mike23> I'm used to linux that has natural root privlidges
[02:01] <mike23> root, user name and sudo don't let me in
[02:01] <crimsun> use sudo -s && passwd
[02:02] <crimsun> rather, do sudo -s, then passwd
[02:03] <mike22> nope 
[02:03] <mike22> I'm trying to get into cups
[02:11] <brk3> could someone tell me what argument do you give to dpkg to upgrade a package?
[02:12] <apokryphos> brk3: you'd do that using apt
[02:13] <brk3> apokryphos: i already have downloaded the package from a non-apt get source
[02:13] <brk3> so i have it in my home directory
[02:13] <apokryphos> brk3: and you want to upgrade *that* package?
[02:13] <apokryphos> where would it upgrade from, exactly, if not apt?
[02:14] <brk3> apokryphos: its amaork, i downloaded a 1.3 build from the forums
[02:14] <brk3> and want to upgrade
[02:14] <apokryphos> brk3: install it like a normal .deb -- it'll do it just fine
[02:15] <brk3> apokryphos: hope so
[02:15] <brk3> here goes..
[02:15] <apokryphos> if you followed the instructions on the forum, then you'd notice they tell you to do that anyhow :)
[02:19] <brk3> dpkg: error processing amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb (--install):
[02:19] <brk3>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/amarok', which is also in package amarok
[02:19] <crimsun> uhh
[02:20] <crimsun> you guys just couldn't wait, huh?
[02:20] <apokryphos> Never used the deb, but of course I couldn't wait around
[02:20] <crimsun> I'm about 99% done building a 1.3 deb
[02:21] <apokryphos> crimsun: any idea if the musicbrainz issues will be resolved in it?
[02:21] <crimsun> there are some .install issues to iron out, but I guess foaming at the mouth works, too ;)
[02:21] <apokryphos> please, please tell me they will ;-)
[02:21] <crimsun> apokryphos: no idea, I won't be able to test til I get home
[02:21] <apokryphos> haven't had musicbrainz since... 1.2 beta or something
[02:22] <brk3> crimsun: couldnt wait :)
[02:22] <crimsun> well, the hoary musicbrainz don't have mp3 support - is that what you're referring to?
[02:22] <crimsun> doesn't^
[02:22] <brk3> crimsun: hope youir build works better than this one
[02:22] <apokryphos> crimsun: erm, why?
[02:22] <crimsun> apokryphos: same reason for gstreamer0.8-mad in universe
[02:22] <apokryphos> installing from their cvs was hardly a doddle, either; never got round to actually doing it.
[02:23] <apokryphos> libtunepimp isn't in universe?
[02:23] <brk3> why are ubuntu updateing their packages only with every release - alot happens in 6 months. are they the only distro doing that?
[02:23] <_martin> Hi, question: How can i run an application under a different user at startup when all apllications are started under the root account normally
[02:23] <apokryphos> brk3: they're not; you can enable backports and hoary-extras for other packages
[02:24] <brk3> apokryphos: well why dont they have updates of amarok available yet
[02:24] <apokryphos> crimsun: hm, apparently not. If it's in main for amarok... kind of a shame that it doesn't support the files that people will only really use it with :|
[02:25] <crimsun> brk3: updates are only made for security issues and major updates that aren't known to break functionality
[02:25] <apokryphos> brk3: because breezy release has been soon, and it hasn't been out for long at all
[02:25] <brk3> _martin: edit the shotcut to run: su user && application
[02:25] <brk3> _martin: might work
[02:25] <apokryphos> crimsun: someone should definitely make a universe or hoary-extras tunepimp pack 
[02:26] <crimsun> apokryphos: I'm sure you could request one for hoary-extras
[02:26] <brk3> apokryphos: but i bet other distros have rpms made already, lemme check mandrake(which i used to use)
[02:26] <brk3> i do admit ubuntu probably have a better system of not updateing till they are sure its stable
[02:26] <brk3> but still] 
[02:26] <apokryphos> brk3: of course, you can't take one package as representative of their whole updating/backporting
[02:27] <brk3> apokryphos: what apt-source should i add for the updates then?
[02:27] <apokryphos> brk3: Kubuntu basically had all the betas out on the day or the day after for the *beta* releases (and the official) of 1.2
[02:27] <crimsun> brk3: no, it's completely unfair to look at it that way. I've been making the amarok backport, and I've been EXTREMELY busy lately with my paying job.
[02:27] <_martin> brk3: But then a password is normally asked, right?
[02:28] <crimsun> brk3: you're more than welcome to help with the backport
[02:28] <brk3> _martin: not if your root. or are you not..
[02:28] <brk3> crimsun: its not your fault, your just doing it yourself. i thought your build is unofficial
[02:28] <_martin> brk3: ah ok, great, i'll try that thanks...............
[02:28] <brk3> crimsun: i would help if i had the bandwidth. im only on dialup
[02:28] <crimsun> brk3: it is unofficial
[02:28] <_martin> brk3: What does that "&&" mean?
[02:29] <crimsun> brk3: and 1.3 is too late; upstream version freeze for Breezy/main was quite some time ago
[02:29] <BTJustice> I followed the direction on the first post of this webpage to get my SB Live! 24 sound card to work...
[02:29] <brk3> _martin: thats how you execute lots of commands at the same tinme: i.e when your compiling you can go: ./configure && make && make install
[02:29] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=live+24
[02:29] <apokryphos> crimsun: wow, so not in Breezy at all? :/
[02:29] <BTJustice> But hte sound is real scratchy and jumpy.
[02:29] <BTJustice> Is there a way to fix that?
[02:29] <_martin> brk3: i found "-c" for running a certain command from su
[02:30] <apokryphos> long freezes
[02:30] <crimsun> BTJustice: are you using ALSA directly or via ARTS?
[02:30] <BTJustice> crisum: I have no idea.  I am a n00b, lol.
[02:31] <BTJustice> *crimsun
[02:31] <brk3> crimsun: no its just you said its unfair that im asking you to have it built straight away etc when you've been busy, but im not asking you im talking about the official packages
[02:31] <brk3> it doesnt really matter
[02:31] <brk3> not looking to argue :p
[02:32] <crimsun> brk3: I know. It was UVF that caught it.
[02:32] <brk3> UVF?
[02:32] <crimsun> see what I said above regarding upstream version freeze
[02:33] <crimsun> you might want to petition Riddell if you feel Amarok 1.3 _must_ be in Breezy, because he'll have to ask the release managers for breaking UVF.
[02:33] <brk3> crimsun: so your saying 1.3 wont be breezy??
[02:34] <crimsun> in other words, 1.3 needs to fix some long-standing, critical bugs if you want it in Breezy
[02:34] <brk3> na, no point in hassling people
[02:34] <brk3> that does suck though
[02:34] <BTJustice> crimsun: I just did what the post said to.  It works.  It is just the my sound is really scratchy and jumpy. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=live+24
[02:34] <crimsun> no, you should definitely petition him, brk3 
[02:34] <brk3> crimsun: why?
[02:35] <crimsun> brk3: the worst thing that happens is that 1.3 doesn't end up in Breezy. In that case, it'll simply be made available on my shell.
[02:35] <brk3> is there a place to put in requests or will i just msg him
[02:35] <crimsun> ask him. He's away, so just leave him a message.
[02:36] <brk3>  /msg is it?
[02:36] <crimsun> sure
[02:36] <brk3> ok
[02:38] <apokryphos> thing about amaroK is that many gnome users use it too
[02:38] <brk3> hope he gets that
[02:38] <crimsun> I will hack on it tonight; in the meantime, I'm going to dinner.
[02:38] <pax> are we compaining for amaroK 1.3?
[02:38] <apokryphos> I guess it wouldn't bother them as much as they'd have to apt for it anyway
[02:38] <brk3> did that msg show up i the chan?
[02:38] <brk3> pax: yup
[02:38] <apokryphos> brk3: no
[02:38] <apokryphos> anything /msg is private 8)
[02:39] <brk3> heres what i said:
[02:39] <brk3> hi. just leaving a message to put in a request for amarok 1.3 to be included in breezy. Ive been told that the version freeze has already happened but I think it would be a pity to leave it out, there have been some cool updates. hope you can consider it, im sure its just as stable as 1.2. I would be happy to test it if needs be once I get my hands on a package. Thanks
[02:39] <brk3> that be alright?
[02:39] <apokryphos> sounds fine, sure.
[02:40] <pax> no, just send the guy a beer with a note saying (amaroK 1.3 NOW). you get what you want
[02:40] <apokryphos> if crimsun has it done properly then it wouldn't even be *that* much of a hassle for Riddell anyhow, I'd guess
[02:40] <brk3> i really cant wait. if i just had broadband id download the source and compile it myself, no hassle
[02:40] <apokryphos> brk3: it's not that big, is it?
[02:41] <brk3> apokryphos: ah i dunno, i guess not. i just love amarok
[02:41] <apokryphos> though non-broadband is annoying
[02:41] <apokryphos> nearly 7 megs
[02:41] <apokryphos> would easily be done over night, of course.
[02:41] <brk3> apokryphos: oh you mean the tarball. no its just the kde includes required are 25megs
[02:41] <apokryphos> ahh
[02:42] <apokryphos> you'd probably need X includes too etc
[02:42] <brk3> wish someone made a kubuntu addon cd
[02:42] <brk3> ya
[02:42] <brk3> think i have them though
[02:43] <apokryphos> brk3: the .deb really should work though; what's the full error message? 
[02:44] <brk3> apokryphos: the guy who compiled it must have a newer version of libgcc:
[02:44] <brk3>  libtag1 depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7); however:
[02:44] <brk3>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7.
[02:44] <apokryphos> make sure you install taglib either at the same time or first
[02:44] <brk3> taglib wont install
[02:44] <apokryphos> ah
[02:44] <brk3> any way round it?
[02:45] <brk3> i may be able to compile taglib myself
[02:45] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy.  Do I need to change a setting or something?  I use Kubuntu.  The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307
[02:45] <apokryphos> I'd probably try a --force-install myself
[02:47] <brk3> apokryphos: sudo dpkg -i --force-install *.deb
[02:47] <brk3> whats wrong there its not working
[02:47] <apokryphos> I think that's it, yes; might be force-overwrite... not sure; check the man page
[02:47] <apokryphos> I'm not saying it would necessarily work; just that it's an option
[02:48] <brk3> ya il try it
[02:49] <brk3> cant find the damn right argument to give dpkg
[02:49] <apokryphos> brk3: you still get an error with --force-overwrite?
[02:49] <brk3> il try that
[02:50] <brk3> was gonna try --force-depends
[02:50] <brk3> may be safer
[02:50] <apokryphos> no, force-depends sounds like it
[02:51] <brk3> this will prob f**k up everthing :p
[02:52] <apokryphos> I doubt it. 
[02:52] <brk3> i think its gona and overwritten a load of arts stuff
[02:53] <brk3> it worked!!!!!!!
[02:53] <brk3> dont beleive it
[02:53] <brk3> lets see if it will actually play now
[02:53] <brk3> plugins may be too old
[02:53] <spermie> i just did a fresh install of kubuntu, but net isnt working, how do i fix this
[02:54] <brk3> spermie: what do you mean net isnt working
[02:54] <spermie> brk3 it prolly does work i just dont remember how to set it up
[02:55] <brk3> but whats net
[02:55] <brk3> just not sure to what your referring
[02:55] <apokryphos> brk3: the Internet :). 
[02:56] <brk3> apokryphos: well your on irc!
[02:56] <brk3> apokryphos: did you see the last few lines?
[02:56] <apokryphos> brk3: I'm sure they're probably on another comp
[02:57] <brk3> apokryphos: ya my bad
[02:57] <brk3> spermie: ok so whats the prob
[02:57] <brk3> why wont it work..
[02:58] <brk3> brb
[02:59] <spermie> brk3 the problem is i dont have no net
[03:00] <ralph1> /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
[03:00] <ralph1> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[03:00] <ralph1> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[03:00] <ralph1> Hi all: I am seeing these same messages in my root mail. Can some one help me correct the problem. 
[03:01] <ralph1> This is after a fresh/clean install of Kubuntu Hoary.
[03:08] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy.  Do I need to change a setting or something?  I use Kubuntu.  The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307
[03:16] <spermie> how do i configure apt?
[03:23] <wincide> hi all, i cant send anything with dcc or kopete, i've tried opening ports ... i have no firewall but i can't send anything, does someone have an idea??
[03:32] <ralph1> I have OpenOffice 1.1.3 and OpenOffice 1.9.118 installed from the script found in tips and coustimizations for Kubuntu Hoary. I fould a script for downloading and installing the latest 1.9.122. The problem is that it requires 1.1.3 to be removed and that wants to delete kubuntu-desktop. Is ther a way to install the latest open office with out destroying kubuntu?
[03:34] <pvn> hi all
[03:34] <BTJustice> Open Kynaptic.  Click on EDIT > FIND and seach for openoffice
[03:34] <BTJustice> remove anything checked.
[03:34] <ralph1> pvn: hi
[03:34] <BTJustice> that should get rid of it
[03:35] <BTJustice> hopefully
[03:36] <pvn> can someone help me with a nw802 prob?
[03:36] <n17r0> wasup
[03:36] <pvn> h ehe
[03:37] <n17r0> ff broodje smeren :P
[03:37] <ralph1> BTJustice: nope still wants to remove Kubuntu-desktop along with openoffice 1.1.3.
[03:37] <pvn> ja toch
[03:38] <BTJustice> ralph1: You removed everything checked when you searched for openoffice?
[03:38] <pvn> somebody got a Trust 120 spacecam?
[03:39] <ralph1> BTJustice: NO I checked to remove openoffice 1.1.3 but cancelled to operation when I saw that it also wanted to delete Kubuntu-desktop
[03:40] <BTJustice> I think you have ot uncheck everything found when you search for openoffice in Kynaptic
[03:40] <flugh> ralph1: seems anything you apt-get remove in kubuntu wants to remove kubuntu desktop
[03:41] <flugh> ralph1: i changed my wallpaper yesterday, boom. apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[03:45] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy.  Do I need to change a setting or something?  I use Kubuntu.  The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307
[04:12] <hater2win> whates the file to edit resolution?
[04:12] <hater2win> xorg.conf?
[04:27] <makkk> good evening/morning/day. I'm more used to ubuntu than kubuntu, but am setting kubuntu up for my girlfriend. Is there a way to install an ethernet connection even though i skipped that part during the installation?
[04:29] <kainos> how wud i view other linux users from out lan network. i can only see computers using windows
[04:32] <makkk> anyone?
[04:32] <pax> makkk: GUI way, or console?
[04:32] <makkk> anything
[04:33] <makkk> i'm about to re-install, unless you know how to do it
[04:33] <makkk> pax
[04:33] <pax> makkk: hehe easy no need to reinstall
[04:33] <makkk> ok. Great!
[04:33] <pax> in console type kdesu kcontrol
[04:33] <flugh> does my kubuntu live dvd give me the option to install at bootup?
[04:33] <makkk> one sec. let it boot :), I was really about to reinstall
[04:33] <pax> go to internet > networking settings
[04:35] <makkk> pax, i'm with you nw
[04:36] <pax> makkk: just go to that page it will detect your ethX
[04:37] <makkk> pax... it did. i'm trying to enable it... and it enables for a sec, then disables itself. looks like there may be a problem with the adapter
[04:38] <pax> makkk: ok, no problem, let' do it the right way.
[04:38] <makkk> ok
[04:38] <pax> makkk: paste your /etc/network/interfaces here http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/
[04:41] <pax> makkk: you have a link yet?
[04:41] <dan2> this is amazing
[04:41] <makkk> pax, one sec. 
[04:41] <dan2> nice look and feel and everything
[04:41] <dan2> except amarok keeps crashing
[04:41] <makkk> I'm typing it since i have no connection to the one that needs it
[04:41] <pax> dan2: what ver?
[04:41] <dan2> pax: whatever was on the hoary kubuntu cd
[04:42] <dan2> 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4
[04:42] <makkk> pax, do i put my nick in 'name'?
[04:42] <pax> dan2: get 1.3 beta it's stable 
[04:42] <pax> makkk: yes.
[04:42] <dan2> where do I get that from?
[04:42] <makkk> ok
[04:42] <pax> well 'stable' as in doesn't crash 
[04:42] <dan2> I'm not going to build it from source ;)
[04:43] <pax> dan2: no need, let me get you a link
[04:43] <dan2> ok
[04:43] <dan2> will it work without upgrading to breezy?
[04:43] <makkk> pax, its there
[04:43] <makkk> when you're ready
[04:44] <pax> dan2: try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=297377&postcount=28
[04:44] <pax> makkk: got a link please?
[04:45] <makkk> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1412
[04:46] <dan2> pax: doesn't work because of libgcc1
[04:47] <pax> dan2: it's somewhere in that thread you'll find a link
[04:47] <pax> makkk: this is what you want in that fine http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1413
[04:47] <Furic> I try to play a cd (Ben Lee - awake is the new sleep) in KsCD, The cd skips every few seconds with digital audio extraction, but if i turn that off and use the crappy 8-bit audio of my cd drive it plays perfectly, is this some kind of copy protection? the cd case doesn't mention it actually being an audio cd...
[04:48] <makkk> pax, so just change it to that?
[04:48] <dan2> pax: I don't see it
[04:48] <pax> makkk: basicaly just add two line 1st: iface eth0 inet dhcp
[04:49] <pax> makkk: and: auto eth0
[04:49] <dan2> pax: its not there
[04:49] <pax> dan2: one sec please.
[04:49] <dan2> ok
[04:50] <pax> dan2: do you have universe and multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:50] <dan2> at least universe
[04:51] <DoctorMO> can I install kubuntu from a livecd?
[04:51] <pax> ok, enable both and install what it's asking you to install.
[04:51] <pax> doc, Live no, get the install CD.
[04:51] <pax> makkk: done copying?
[04:52] <makkk> yes. 
[04:52] <IceDC571> this channel is alive
[04:52] <IceDC571> thats neat
[04:52] <pax> makkk: ok save and then from console: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:52] <dan2> pax: its not available in hoary
[04:52] <makkk> pax, thanks
[04:52] <makkk> i'll try
[04:53] <makkk> pax, you
[04:53] <makkk> you're the man
[04:53] <makkk> thank you
[04:53] <makkk> (woman?)
[04:53] <pax> dan2: sure is.
[04:53] <pax> makkk: enjoy Kubuntu.
[04:53] <IceDC571> okay so i just installed kde after using gnome, is there an easy way to destroy gnome and similar gtk apps that come with ubuntu?
[04:53] <dan2> libgcc1 4.0 isn't
[04:53] <pax> !find libgcc1
[04:54] <ubotu> libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[04:54] <dan2> thats the one required
[04:54] <dan2> pax: it was >=4.0.0-1 
[04:54] <dan2> pax: the debs are built against breezy
[04:54] <pax> ah, well I'm sure you'll find more than one thread about amarok 1.3 beta in the forums, just invest couple of minutes there
[04:57] <dan2> tho the look of kubuntu is hot
[04:57] <pax> dan2: http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png :D
[04:57] <IceDC571> kubuntu looks a lot better on my laptop.. dont know what it is.. i absolutely hate using it with a CRT i guess
[04:58] <dan2> heh
[04:58] <pax> IceDC571: resolution maybe?
[04:58] <dan2> IceDC571: who makes your laptop?
[04:58] <IceDC571> dell
[04:58] <dan2> iirc dell puts in 8ms lcds
[04:59] <dan2> IceDC571: its probably a lot better on your laptop because it has a much better refresh rate
[04:59] <dan2> you can mess with that on your crt tho
[04:59] <ubuntu> Hmm.. Kubuntu is interesting...
[04:59] <ubuntu> Not bad.
[04:59] <IceDC571> yeah
[04:59] <dan2> rule of thum
[04:59] <dan2> thumb
[04:59] <IceDC571> ubuntu: did you just make the transition?
[04:59] <dan2> 1000/8 == 125hz
[05:00] <dan2> 125hz is likely to be a hell of a lot faster than your crt
[05:00] <pax> he's 'proly on kubuntu Live, the nickname can tell :)
[05:00] <ubuntu> :)  True it is.
[05:01] <ubuntu> Never used kubuntu until today.
[05:01] <dan2> are any of the ubuntu kernels compiled with software suspend 2?
[05:01] <IceDC571> dan2: you cant check if they are?
[05:02] <dan2> hmm?
[05:02] <ubuntu> Does kubuntu live support smp?
[05:02] <dan2> IceDC571: well I can, but the one that came with the install definetly doesn't
[05:02] <IceDC571> ahh i see
[05:02] <IceDC571> well i hear breezy fixed a lot of people's power management problems
[05:03] <dan2> I want software suspend 2 because it has suspend to disk (hibernate)
[05:03] <dan2> and since suspend to ram is fucked on my laptop
[05:03] <dan2> which is due to the radeon not getting shut off properly
[05:04] <IceDC571> who makes your laptop
[05:04] <dan2> ibm
[05:04] <dan2> T30
[05:05] <dan2> nice laptop
[05:05] <dan2> its just a known problem with the radeons
[05:05] <IceDC571> yeah.. brb i cant snack on food here
[05:06] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card?  I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy.
[05:08] <pax> have you tried the wiki?
[05:08] <BTJustice> Yeah but it wasn't all the helpful.
[05:08] <BTJustice> This got the sound card to work...
[05:09] <apokryphos> BTJustice: it's better to try in #ubuntu for non-kde-related questions
[05:09] <seth_k> anyone have any idea on making KOrganizer export to web in any format except HTML? XML, RSS, iCal?
[05:09] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=live+24
[05:10] <BTJustice> I am using Kubuntu
[05:10] <pax> BTJustice: you already have sound so I would try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary and then check kmix settings
[05:10] <apokryphos> BTJustice: yes, but it's a non kde-related question; ubuntu uses the same base as kubuntu
[05:10] <BTJustice> I tried asking there and no one answered so I came here.
[05:11] <BTJustice> I'll try that pax, thanks.
[05:21] <BTJustice> None of that helped
[05:24] <drawagoat> can anyone here help me to get opengl working on my mobile radeon 9000...?
[05:24] <drawagoat> ive been told that it is supported by the fglrx drivers but i cant get those drivers to work...
[05:26] <IceDC571> ive noticed using kde increases the risk of my cats getting cancer
[05:26] <IceDC571> is it true?
[05:26] <pax> BTJustice: toying with kmix didn't make the sound quality better either eh?
[05:27] <makkk> icddc571, its true. we just burried our cat last week
[05:27] <makkk> it was the best day of my life
[05:27] <BTJustice> pax nope
[05:27] <BTJustice> i have them all at about 70%
[05:28] <IceDC571> you must hate your poor cat
[05:28] <IceDC571> i bet you can still hear it meow while you sleep
[05:29] <makkk> cant hate something that doesnt exist anymor
[05:29] <makkk> anyway, we're going to get kicked off for being way off topic... i might have more questions as i'm setting things up, so no more cat talks :)
[05:30] <pax> hmm talking about 'cat' is no off-topic, it's a command.
[05:30] <makkk> that is true
[05:30] <pax> in fact, time to run sudo catman
[05:31] <IceDC571> catman?
[05:31] <IceDC571> that sounds interesting
[05:31] <pax> that's right, info catman
[05:31] <IceDC571> well i just ran it
[05:31] <makkk> windows xp home edition sports a brand-new visual design that combines a sleek look, clean lines, and ...
[05:31] <pax> good, your mouse will never work again.
[05:32] <IceDC571> you serious?
[05:32] <IceDC571> lol
[05:32] <pax> no I'm not.
[05:33] <IceDC571> i dont get it, what are the advantages of using catman?
[05:33] <pax> read info catman or man catman :c)
[05:34] <IceDC571> im reading
[05:34] <IceDC571> but i can comprehend it
[05:34] <IceDC571> cant
[05:34] <pax> catman - create or update the pre-formatted manual pages
[05:34] <IceDC571> so that means pre-formatted manual pages arent created until i run this command?
[05:35] <IceDC571> actually i dont think i need to know what its for since i wont be using it
[05:35] <pax> cat pages are generally much faster to  display than  the original manual pages, but require extra storage space.
[05:36] <IceDC571> ohh i get it now
[05:36] <IceDC571> so it generates cat pages from the original manuals?
[05:36] <pax> yes
[05:37] <IceDC571> that is neat
[05:39] <IceDC571> you know the little fundraiser circle for freenode doesnt look right in konversation
[05:40] <pax> what's neat is to be able to read man/info pages in conq :)
[05:41] <IceDC571> i never read man pages im so lazy
[05:41] <IceDC571> only readme and install pages
[05:42] <BTJustice> pax: Might switches have anything to do with it?  I have AC97 In, SPDIF Out, SPDIF In, SPDIF Out, SRC Out, i2s In, i2s Mixer Out
[05:42] <BTJustice> i2n In is bright red
[05:42] <BTJustice> First SPDIF Out is a dull yellow
[05:42] <IceDC571> BTJustice: i doubt it would be a switch if your audio is already somewhat working
[05:42] <pax> switches may have everything with it if your card is digital
[05:42] <BTJustice> all the others are a dull red
[05:43] <BTJustice> well it is either digitial or analog,
[05:44] <pax> that output is enabled?
[05:44] <IceDC571> well yeah switches help a lot when you're using digital out
[05:44] <IceDC571> but if you can hear any audio from it, i doubt it would be switches
[05:46] <pax> you should try to catch crimsun when he's around, he's the sound specialist
[05:46] <BTJustice> Why does simple stuff have to be so hard with Linux?  One would think it could automatically use the sound card.  It is made by the #1 sound card comapny.  
[05:46] <IceDC571> BTJustice: have you tried compiling one of the latest ALSA sources?
[05:47] <IceDC571> well 24-bit for live is sorta new so it would take them a bit to integrate it to mainstream drivers
[05:47] <BTJustice> Its been out for like almost 2 years now
[05:47] <BTJustice> Mine says 2003 on it
[05:47] <IceDC571> oh, i havent noticed
[05:48] <pax> BTJustice: it's hard because the drivers are made with no support from hardware companies.
[05:48] <BTJustice> You know, if Linux could simply support all of the hardware that WIndows supports automatically without configuration, people would flock to linux in no time.
[05:49] <pax> You should ask the #1 sound card company to make drivers for linux just like they do for windows
[05:49] <BTJustice> lol, yeah with a nice installer
[05:50] <pax> see, this is not linux issue, it's greed issue :D
[05:51] <IceDC571> i've noticed the sound with live cards sounds a lot better in linux than it does on windows.. i was shocked
[05:51] <BTJustice> This i how I got it to work in the first place...
[05:51] <IceDC571> and i dont usually notice these things
[05:51] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307
[05:54] <IceDC571> i wish alsa would just release their damn drivers so people wouldnt have to compile from the latest source these days
[05:54] <IceDC571> there might be a conflict with the old alsa drivers
[05:55] <BTJustice> Can they be downlaoded?  Someone in #ubuntu said the latest version is like 1.0.9b
[05:55] <BTJustice> but that person left
[05:55] <BTJustice> and this one did too, lol
[06:14] <judax> :)
[06:15] <leiden> hey
[06:23] <Leus> Can anybody connect to yahoo via gaim?
[06:25] <makkk> leus, yes, i have no problems
[06:25] <makkk> what version do you have?
[06:25] <Leus> I downloaded using aptitude today...
[06:26] <Leus> I downloaded gaim using aptitude today...
[06:26] <makkk> Leus, go to Help>About
[06:31] <Leus> What URL do you use for chat room in yahoo?
[06:32] <makkk> Lues, one way to find them is by going to Tools>Room List
[06:32] <makkk> then choose your yahoo account and click 'get list'
[06:45] <IceDC571> wow kde 3.5 is taking like forever to compile
[06:48] <IceDC571> you know what i hate about compiling in the terminal.. there is no percentage completed display
[06:50] <makkk> ice, so are you one of the developers? 
[06:50] <Leus> You are rigth Ice
[06:53] <IceDC571> makkk, no im just trying out the new alpha kde from the source
[06:53] <IceDC571> using konstruct to be exact
[07:42] <BTJustice> I have a SB Live! 7.1 24bit sound card. I used these directions (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307) to get it to work, but the sound is really choppy and scratchy. How can I fix that in Kubuntu?
[07:45] <foodcoman> Is there FAQ or Howto for reprogramming what a mouse button does?
[07:50] <IceDC571> BTJustice, any luck asking in #ubuntu ?
[08:29] <transgre1s> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25529  <== time for me to switch to bsd it looks like
[08:30] <Kaiser_away> why?
[08:31] <Dhraakellian> no, it just means that people can't use the term "linux" inappropriately
[08:32] <Dhraakellian> I don't really know the details of this stuff, but it's a trademark issue, not a copyright or patent problem
[08:34] <Kaiser_away> it's hype :| and it's not realy news. ist just they have started to warn people, wheres before they were letting them geta way with it
[08:37] <Dhraakellian> it's just the name though, not the code
[08:53] <IceDC571> wow kde does take a while to compile
[08:55] <john> hey, how do you change the cursor in KDE?
[08:55] <john> like is it possible to change how it looks?
[08:56] <IceDC571> arcanistherogue, i have no idea in kde but i'll look around for you.. i have nothing better to do
[08:56] <arcanistherogue> oh, ok
[08:56] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot.
[08:57] <arcanistherogue> I just wanted something a bit more sleek to go with my Deus Ex wallpaper <_<
[08:57] <IceDC571> arcanistherogue, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/qna/11617.html
[08:58] <IceDC571> and goto www.kdelook.org to get themes for it im guessing
[08:58] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[08:58] <arcanistherogue> thanks
[08:59] <arcanistherogue> DAMN.  Just as soon as I find an awesome Deus Ex wallpaper, I find another awesome one on KDE Look.
[09:00] <IceDC571> kdelook is a pretty good resource for customizing kde, or anything else so keep that in mind
[09:00] <arcanistherogue> say, how do I use SuperKaramba?  I got Karamba and SuperKaramba via apt-get, but how do I run them?>
[09:01] <arcanistherogue> And holy crap Plasma looks awesome <_<
[09:02] <IceDC571> if you cant find them in the app menus you can just type karamba and superkaramba from the run dialog.. that should work
[09:02] <arcanistherogue> what is the run dialog?  is that in the konsole?
[09:02] <IceDC571> well actually i dont know if thats the exact command to type but its usually like that for all other apps
[09:02] <yudi> does anyone here can help me, i have problem with crossover office pre, when i play mp3 in iTunes, the sound didn't come out?
[09:02] <IceDC571> its in the menu.. run program
[09:02] <yudi> does anyone here can help me, i have problem with crossover office pro, when i play mp3 in iTunes, the sound didn't come out?
[09:02] <IceDC571> im not in kde right now i cant really see
[09:03] <IceDC571> yudi, have you tried going to the quicktime settings and setting the sound out to waveout instead of directsound?
[09:04] <yudi> ok wait
[09:05] <yudi> damn... the quick time player opened and when loading, closed it's self :(
[09:05] <yudi> it doesn't happen last night
[09:06] <IceDC571> well i dont know what to say unless you want to reinstall everything in crossover
[09:06] <yudi> ok
[09:09] <yudi> i can get in to quick time settings
[09:09] <yudi> that ask about connection speed, etc
[09:10] <yudi> there is no sound out
[09:10] <yudi> there's only sound in
[09:11] <yudi> hello...
[09:18] <CyberMad> how to kill an apps?
[09:18] <CyberMad> like a skull mouse pointer
[09:27] <CyberMad> how to kill an apps?
[09:28] <xxenon> can I get firefox to print using kprinter ?
[09:30] <xxenon> got it, sorry.
[09:49] <kainos> i need help. i cnt configure samba bec it keeps on coming back to default screen. i have the root prvileges yet i cant configure smb
[09:51] <kainos>  i need help. i cnt configure samba bec it keeps on coming back to default screen. i have the root prvileges yet i cant configure smb
[09:52] <seaLne> how are you trying to configure it?
[09:52] <CyberMad> i already setting my quick time setting and still there is no sound when i play a mp3 in iTunes (CrossOver)?
[09:52] <CyberMad> i set the sound out to wave
[09:52] <CyberMad> waveOut
[09:53] <CyberMad> Rate 44.100Khz
[09:53] <CyberMad> Rate 44.100kHz
[09:53] <CyberMad> size 16 bit
[09:53] <CyberMad> Use stereo
[09:54] <CyberMad> Buffer in millisec : 30
[09:54] <CyberMad> Number of buffers in fifo : 9   and i don't choose the "Reverse channel.. blah blah"
[10:16] <buz> is there something wrong with kpdf in the 3.4.2 packages?
[10:17] <buz> occasionally, it just displays garbage or crashes outright when kghostview works just fine on the very same pdf
[10:22] <r1kzun> hi
[10:25] <r1kzun> any have problem compiling 2.6.11 kernel?
[10:25] <r1kzun> it always give me "kernel panic"
[10:26] <r1kzun> :s
[10:30] <CyberMad> can i use aptitude or apt-get to install Opera?
[10:30] <milksteak> don't think you can
[10:31] <milksteak> but if you get the .deb from www.opera.com
[10:31] <milksteak> it's just sudo dpkg -i <deb>
[10:31] <[ITA] MisterX> Where I can find a free linux antivirus?
[10:32] <CyberMad> ok
[10:33] <ralph1> Does anyone know if there problems with repositories. A lot of them are failing to connect and let me update.
[10:33] <CyberMad> i guess if you already set you file permission correctly, so don't worry about virus
[10:34] <[ITA] MisterX> ok :)
[10:34] <csenger> [ITA] MisterX, there's clamav (open source) and f-prot (free for non-commercial or private)
[10:34] <[ITA] MisterX> gui or console?
[10:35] <CyberMad> is there any bookmark organizer?
[10:35] <buz> what bookmarks
[10:35] <CyberMad> websites
[10:36] <buz> i mean by what browser
[10:36] <CyberMad> opera, konqueror
[10:36] <buz> no idea, dont use either one
[10:36] <CyberMad> it's like compass in windows
[11:18] <hussam> Woot, I finally got my tvtuner working under Kubuntu
[11:23] <hussam> Was starting to think the ubuntu kernel did not support v4l correctly, but then it worked
[11:54] <tenco> how can i install a math font for konqueror?
[12:03] <tenco> how can i install a math font for konqueror?
[12:05] <tigermb> hey i recently got a problem with nvidia
[12:05] <pl_ice> hi
[12:05] <tigermb> on gnomemy fps was just fine
[12:05] <tigermb> but somehow on kde it is very low
[12:05] <tigermb> someone knows what to do?
[12:06] <tenco> how can i install a math font for konqueror?
[12:07] <npfet> hi
[12:12] <hussam> tenco: there's a font installer in kcontrol under system administration if that's what you are refering to.
[12:12] <tenco> hussam: i just learned that konqueror cannot display mathml :-\
[12:13] <hussam> tenco: then it is a khtml bug
[12:13] <n> I've just tried the latest opensuse beta and I'm very impressed with its 'Suspend to disk' shutdown/boot feature which has halved my boot time. Will breezy implement this too?
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> okay, i need 3ivx 4.5 and the latest linux version available is 3.5.. does anyone have any recommendations?
[12:20] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: best bet is to check if libavcodec supports that version of 3ivx
[12:27] <CyberMad> how to burn iso in linux?
[12:27] <milksteak> k3b
[12:28] <bz0b> hey guys
[12:31] <CyberMad> k3b ? is that the software burner name?
[12:31] <phreakys> hi
[12:32] <phreakys> is there a gui cvs available for kde?
[12:32] <tenco> where is kmplayer?
[12:32] <spiral> phreakys: cervisia, cvs:/ in konqueror
[12:32] <tigermb> CyberMad: fire up k3b, iso buring
[12:32] <phreakys> cool, tnx spiral
[12:32] <spiral> phreakys: ;-)
[12:34] <_stef> hello all :-)
[12:34] <tenco> is there a repository which has kmplayer?
[12:35] <CyberMad> thanks
[12:35] <phreakys> tenco=> not the std universe/multiverse/backport
[12:35] <phreakys> try finding a debian package
[12:35] <_stef> I want to reinstall k3b I removed it and want to reinstall again but when I insert the cd the cd is not found. What is wrong?
[12:36] <tenco> phreakys: but isnt it dangerously to mix debian and ubuntu packages?
[12:37] <phreakys> shouldnt be a big problem tenco. ubuntu is debianbased
[12:37] <jpatrick> _stef: try apt-get update while the cd is in the drive
[12:37] <phreakys> you could also try converting other packages, like rpms with alien
[12:37] <tenco> phreakys: i know, debian is the base. but i read sth about that packages shouldnt be mixed...
[12:37] <phreakys> alien -d foo.rpm
[12:38] <phreakys> well, i didnt have problems with it so far. 
[12:38] <phreakys> just be careful ;)
[12:38] <Aapzak> goodday room
[12:38] <CyberMad> yes.. i don't have problem with alien command to so far
[12:38] <tenco> phreakys: is ubuntu testing or unstable?
[12:39] <CyberMad> i already converted crossover office pro rpm to deb
[12:39] <phreakys> tenco, ubuntu is rocksolid :)
[12:39] <Aapzak> CyberMad: still working on it?
[12:39] <phreakys> but you may want to try kubuntu, if you like kde
[12:39] <CyberMad> i install mIRC and right now i use mIRC on linux... there is no problem
[12:39] <_stef> jpatrick: I tried thgis but the cd isnt found alway the message that I have to put the cdrom inside
[12:39] <CyberMad> but when i install iTunes, the sounds didn't come out?
[12:40] <tenco> phreakys: ah, no. i meant debian testing or debian unstable. i use kubuntu btw, but the most is the same for ubuntu and kubuntu, or?
[12:40] <Aapzak> CyberMad: you should not be running Linux :)
[12:40] <Aapzak> buy a Mac
[12:40] <CyberMad> hahaha
[12:40] <CyberMad> :P
[12:41] <tenco> phreakys: e.g. the base-system: hotplug, hald, etc.pp.
[12:41] <phreakys> yea, its it allmost the same stuff
[12:41] <tenco> so, is (k)ubuntu debian testing or debian unstable?
[12:41] <phreakys> its just that i like kde better
[12:41] <tenco> phreakys: too
[12:41] <Aapzak> tenco: It's not mapped like that
[12:41] <_stef>   jpatrick: do you have another idea?
[12:41] <phreakys> im not sure about that tenco
[12:42] <tenco> Aapzak: like what, then?
[12:42] <phreakys> it has a newer kernel std though
[12:42] <CyberMad> stable or not is depends the kernel
[12:42] <_stef>  Itried also apt-setup but same result
[12:42] <phreakys> debian still sticks with 2.4 if im correct
[12:42] <CyberMad> not the distro
[12:42] <Aapzak> well, Kubuntu has KDE 3.4.1 or 3.4.2 I believe, that is not in Debian yet, so they build their own packages
[12:42] <CyberMad> distro just package the appz
[12:42] <phreakys> yea
[12:43] <CyberMad> i like simplity of kubuntu
[12:43] <tenco> Aapzak: and the base-system, is this deb testing or unstable?
[12:43] <Aapzak> I think the same goes for the base system, you can't relate that 1:1 to a tree
[12:44] <tenco> Aapzak: ok. so i will wait till kmplayer is in kubuntu, then.
[12:44] <Aapzak> the kernel is newer, the kernel is linux :)
[12:44] <phreakys> ill try it
[12:44] <Aapzak> I think most packages come from experimental or self-build
[12:45] <Aapzak> Kubuntu will be faster with releases than Debian, almost always I think
[12:46] <CyberMad> tenco why u don't just kmplayer deb package?
[12:46] <Aapzak> yeah, or compile it yourself
[12:46] <tenco> because debian and kubuntu is out of sync
[12:46] <Aapzak> you can dl the .deb and try
[12:46] <CyberMad> i guess.. you will never find kubuntu goes to package kmplayer in their distro
[12:47] <tenco> i want a reliable solution
[12:47] <_stef> there are some problems with dependecies if you mix
[12:47] <CyberMad> because kubuntu is about simplicity
[12:47] <tenco> CyberMad: why?
[12:47] <CyberMad> that's why
[12:48] <Aapzak> I don't think everyone should stick to whats in the repository, you can always try to install a .deb or compile yourself, no harm in that
[12:48] <phreakys> works fine
[12:48] <tenco> perhaps theres a kde skin for mplayer out there :)
[12:48] <phreakys> kmplayer installs without problems
[12:48] <CyberMad> try use apt-get or aptitude to install kmplayer (maybe they have)
[12:48] <phreakys> just install those 4 deb packages
[12:49] <phreakys> dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:49] <phreakys> sweet proggy btw :-)
[12:49] <Aapzak> kmplayer is nice?
[12:49] <phreakys> yea, looks nice
[12:49] <Aapzak> kewl
[12:50] <tenco> awh, ok. i will try
[12:50] <tenco> :)
[12:50] <phreakys> not sure if it adds something to kaffeine
[12:50] <tenco> i removed kaboodle, kaffeine and noatun
[12:50] <phreakys> ah :)
[12:50] <Aapzak> mplayer is much more mature than the alternatives
[12:51] <phreakys> what about xmms?
[12:51] <Aapzak> xmms is good
[12:51] <tenco> btw, i dont think that installing 3 different mediaplayers is "simplicity"
[12:51] <Aapzak> :)
[12:51] <phreakys> hehe
[12:51] <Aapzak> amarok is rather nice
[12:51] <phreakys> its free
[12:51] <phreakys> ;)
[12:51] <phreakys> yea, but i prefer xmms
[12:52] <phreakys> with streamtuner 
[12:52] <Aapzak> only thing: it has trouble scanning my music repos. through samba
[12:52] <bz0b> can someone tell me if the sources for ubuntu are the same kubuntu?
[12:52] <Aapzak> amarok that is, xmms works perfect
[12:52] <tenco> i also use amarok. amarok and mplayer. thats enough
[12:52] <bz0b> or are there are others for kubuntu?
[12:52] <phreakys> ah
[12:52] <Aapzak> bz0b: I think they are
[12:52] <phreakys> winamp under wine? :)
[12:52] <tenco> bz0b: yes, kubuntu is the kubuntu-desktop meta-package
[12:53] <Aapzak> please, uninstall wine
[12:53] <phreakys> why?
[12:53] <phreakys> not stable?
[12:53] <Aapzak> just use the linux alternatives
[12:53] <Aapzak> it's pretty stable, what do you run under wine?
[12:54] <phreakys> yea, but some software needs windows
[12:54] <phreakys> i try to get used with gimp
[12:54] <Aapzak> gimp is perfect
[12:54] <phreakys> but photoshop wont run under linux :)
[12:54] <phreakys> yea, i prefer gimp
[12:54] <tenco> uhm, whats the rep with the debs for mplayer? maqurillia(sp?)
[12:54] <Aapzak> photoshop is too expensive
[12:54] <phreakys> i wanna run director under wine
[12:55] <phreakys> http://www.xs4all.nl/~jjvrieze/kmplayer.html
[12:55] <phreakys> just download them, and install locally with dpkg -i 
[12:55] <phreakys> ehm
[12:55] <phreakys> nm
[12:55] <tenco> phreakys: ah, thanks
[12:56] <Aapzak> gtg now ... bye!
[12:57] <_mario> hello
[12:57] <tenco> uhm, kpackage needs "su" which doesnt work, since root account is disabled...
[12:57] <_mario> where can i set the default route for my network?
[12:58] <phreakys> you can enable root account
[12:58] <phreakys> or sudo
[12:58] <phreakys> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:58] <_mario> i tried to do it with kcmshell kcm_knetworkconfmodule, but after a reboot the default gateway is not there anymore, i need to redo it with route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[12:58] <tenco> phreakys: i just want to test the simplicity, ok? :)
[12:58] <phreakys> ;-)
[12:58] <phreakys> sudo will do
[12:59] <tenco> phreakys: i know dpkg, apt-get pretty much. i used debian over a year
[12:59] <phreakys> ah
[12:59] <tenco> phreakys: but i also want to test kubuntu about useability for "normal" users
[01:00] <phreakys> i got used to it in 3 days
[01:00] <tenco> phreakys: and things like kpackage not working or kynaptic not usable are rather disturbing...
[01:00] <CyberMad> what is the best e-mail client in linux?
[01:00] <jpatrick> Kmal
[01:00] <tenco> CyberMad: depends
[01:00] <jpatrick> Kmail
[01:00] <phreakys> kynapic works doesnt it?
[01:00] <jpatrick> well I like Kontact :)
[01:00] <tenco> mutt, Kmail, mutt-ng
[01:01] <tenco> phreakys: kynaptic is buggy and you dont want to use it to install packages...
[01:01] <tenco> phreakys: i cannot handle dialogs
[01:01] <CyberMad> thanks.. i will use Kmail then
[01:02] <phreakys> it worked for me. only bug i noticed was the windowheight problem
[01:02] <tenco> phreakys: e.g. when i tried to install leafnode with kynaptic, it fetched the the package, extracted it and hung forever at configuring
[01:02] <phreakys> oops
[01:02] <phreakys> ill try it too
[01:02] <CyberMad> looks like Kmail not installed in kubuntu ?
[01:02] <CyberMad> or i'm wrong
[01:02] <tenco> so i think it doesnt handle dialogs not at all or not very well
[01:03] <tenco> CyberMad: its just not in the kmen
[01:03] <phreakys> here it goes :)\
[01:03] <tenco> CyberMad: open a konsole and start it from there
[01:03] <phreakys> whats leafnode btw? 
[01:03] <tenco> thats another thing.
[01:03] <jpatrick> CyberMad: It's built-into Kontact
[01:04] <phreakys> yea, it hangs
[01:04] <tenco> knode, kmail and a bunch of other kde-apps weren't in kmen after install!
[01:04] <CyberMad> ow so i dont't need to install KMail :) thanks2
[01:04] <CyberMad>  kmen  ?
[01:04] <jpatrick> Just use Kontact
[01:05] <CyberMad> so if someday i move to other distro, can i backup my contacts, e-mail to other e-mail client ?
[01:05] <CyberMad> like KMail?
[01:05] <jpatrick> It's stored in your $HOME folder
[01:06] <tenco> jpatrick: uhm, is that intended?
[01:06] <tenco> jpatrick: kontact as the only programm for kmail, knode etc?
[01:06] <jpatrick> :<
[01:06] <tenco> phreakys: i said so ;)
[01:07] <phreakys> heh, yea. i cant install with apt anymore now
[01:07] <tenco> phreakys: just kill the waiting dpkg processes
[01:07] <phreakys> ah, tnx
[01:08] <jpatrick> As long as your home folder is on a different partition :p
[01:08] <CyberMad> yes :)
[01:08] <CyberMad> jpatrick may i know what partition do you use to mount?
[01:08] <jpatrick> You should be okay
[01:08] <CyberMad> i only use 3
[01:08] <CyberMad> root
[01:08] <CyberMad> home
[01:08] <CyberMad> swap
[01:08] <jpatrick> I have 4
[01:09] <jpatrick> root, home, swap, swap
[01:09] <CyberMad> err... why swap swap?
[01:09] <nikkia> jpatrick, why not just have enough swap to start with :P
[01:09] <CyberMad> does 1 swap enough?
[01:09] <jpatrick> no
[01:09] <CyberMad> why why why?
[01:09] <jpatrick> I have 1GB swap :p
[01:10] <nikkia> altho, it'd be nice if you could 'raid' swap across 2 or more disks
[01:10] <nikkia> jpatrick: i have 4GB
[01:10] <jpatrick> I have 128MB RAM
[01:10] <jpatrick> :(
[01:11] <nikkia> i have 1GB of ram, and still find myself using more than 2GB of swap
[01:11] <tenco> hmpff, kmplayer doesnt work
[01:12] <CyberMad> ow so the teory of swap is 2x ram is can be expanded?
[01:12] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  what in gods name are you doing?!?
[01:12] <CyberMad> does it effect much... if i have 256 MB and use 1 GB swap?
[01:12] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: work
[01:13] <phreakys> :S
[01:13] <nikkia> CyberMad: its just a guideline, if you need more than 2x ram, you need more than 2x ram :)
[01:13] <PurpleMotion> work that requires 3gb of memory? i find that hard to believe
[01:13] <CyberMad> damn.. can't find anywhere package of cbrpager
[01:13] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: yes, i'm a software engineer, my current project is written in java, and has a little under 1GB of data
[01:13] <PurpleMotion> ah
[01:13] <PurpleMotion> right on
[01:14] <nikkia> by the time you add together emacs, eclipse, X, KDE, java and the data, you get about to 3GB
[01:14] <PurpleMotion> THAT makes sense
[01:14] <PurpleMotion> hell eclipse by itself is a memory whore
[01:14] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i found its memory usage dropped if i only use it for build/run
[01:14] <phreakys> wtf, i rebooted my computer, and now the whole kde-desktop is back to zero
[01:14] <nikkia> ie, don't ever open a text editor window within it
[01:15] <PurpleMotion> right on
[01:15] <nikkia> so i use xemacs on another screen, and just refresh the project to get eclipse to rebuild :)
[01:15] <PurpleMotion> emacs is evil
[01:15] <phreakys> waaah
[01:15] <nikkia> nah, emacs is great, once you're used to it
[01:15] <PurpleMotion> id rather use charcoal and a piece of slate
[01:15] <phreakys> i got a ubuntu desktop now on kubuntu
[01:16] <phreakys> synaptic instead of kynaptic :S
[01:16] <tenco> phreakys: ?
[01:16] <PurpleMotion> good
[01:16] <PurpleMotion> kynaptic is frightening
[01:16] <CyberMad> do you have any good site reference for setting NAT, Proxy (Squid) and Bandwidth Limiter (HTB), i mean step by step tutorial...?
[01:16] <tenco> PurpleMotion: jup
[01:16] <phreakys> i dont understand :-S
[01:17] <tenco> phreakys: what have you done?
[01:17] <PurpleMotion> phreakys:  youre better off using synaptic in kde than kynaptic
[01:17] <phreakys> yea, but all my kde settings are gone
[01:17] <Hobbsee> synaptic is way better than kynaptic, in any desktop
[01:17] <phreakys> lol
[01:17] <phreakys> well, ok
[01:17] <PurpleMotion> kynaptic is still in an infantile stage, is NOT EVEN CLOSE to complete, and is downrigth frightening in some of its assumptions :D
[01:17] <phreakys> but it strikes me when such a thing happens for no reason
[01:18] <tenco> me too
[01:18] <tenco> btw, kmplayer doesnt work
[01:18] <phreakys> not?
[01:18] <tenco> i cant play videos with it
[01:18] <phreakys> arg
[01:18] <phreakys> maybe need some codecs?
[01:18] <tenco> i installed mplayer already
[01:19] <phreakys> hm
[01:19] <PurpleMotion> kmplayer?
[01:19] <tenco> jep
[01:19] <PurpleMotion> yeesh
[01:19] <_mario> hello
[01:19] <PurpleMotion> whats wrong with mplayers gui?
[01:19] <tenco> its not kde?
[01:19] <_mario> where can i get spamassassin from?
[01:19] <PurpleMotion> oh my god
[01:19] <tenco> :)
[01:19] <_mario> do i have to add an additional apt-source?
[01:20] <tenco> PurpleMotion: btw, where do i need to install new skins for mplayer into? ~/.mplayer/skins does not work
[01:20] <PurpleMotion> heh
[01:20] <PurpleMotion> it wouldnt
[01:20] <PurpleMotion> try
[01:20] <PurpleMotion> ~/.mplayer/Skin
[01:21] <satafterh> where can I download the lastest stable kernel and what verson would that be??
[01:21] <satafterh> anyone?
[01:21] <PurpleMotion> but i just install them system-wide into /usr/share/mplayer/Skin
[01:21] <tenco> PurpleMotion: disgusting. capital letters
[01:21] <PurpleMotion> tenco:  dont bitch at me
[01:21] <tenco> PurpleMotion: its not your fault :)
[01:21] <PurpleMotion> I know
[01:21] <PurpleMotion> thats why i said dont bitch at me
[01:22] <tenco> PurpleMotion: i didnt bitch at you
[01:22] <tenco> PurpleMotion: with disgusting i meant the capital letter. the capital letter in "Skin"
[01:22] <phreakys> lol
[01:22] <PurpleMotion> I know
[01:22] <tenco> ha, got a plastik skin for mplayer :)
[01:23] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: that'll make it nice and easy for the FBI to find :P
[01:23] <satafterh> I have an amd atlon 2600+ running a 386 kernel, would I notice any differance with a k7 or 686 kernel?
[01:23] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  I'm free, white, and over 21.. As long as they dont yank it over my keyboard, i dont much care
[01:25] <phreakys> hm
[01:28] <phreakys> darn
[01:28] <phreakys> nothing changed
[01:31] <phreakys> how can a kubuntu distro change to ubuntu suddenly?
[01:31] <jbasilio> anyone know how to, by default, start multiple X sessions?
[01:31] <tenco> phreakys: dont know. is kdm still there?
[01:31] <phreakys> yea, kdm is working, but it has the structure of ubuntu now
[01:31] <tenco> ?
[01:32] <phreakys> some things are different from kubuntu like the theme manager, packet manager
[01:32] <tenco> uhm, what session type have you selected in kdm?
[01:33] <phreakys> i didnt select anything i guess
[01:33] <tenco> ok, try this
[01:33] <tenco> log out, and in kdm select "kde" session-type before loging in again
[01:33] <phreakys> ok
[01:34] <phreakys> hm
[01:34] <tenco> and?
[01:35] <phreakys> session type gnome, kde and default
[01:35] <phreakys> im running kde now
[01:35] <tenco> ok
[01:35] <phreakys> its running an ubuntu splash then
[01:36] <phreakys> and starts with ubuntu's kde
[01:36] <tenco> so no kubuntu?
[01:36] <phreakys> nah, its kdeubuntu now
[01:36] <phreakys> well, fine to me ;-)
[01:36] <tenco> :)
[01:37] <tenco> you know aptitude?
[01:37] <phreakys> no?
[01:37] <tenco> hm, ok
[01:37] <tenco> ...not ok :)
[01:37] <tenco> its a package manager
[01:37] <phreakys> apt?
[01:37] <phreakys> aah
[01:37] <tenco> like synaptic but for the console
[01:37] <phreakys> yea, i use apt
[01:37] <tenco> and more reliable :)
[01:38] <phreakys> yes, true
[01:38] <phreakys> maybe i can reinstall kubuntu desktop settings
[01:38] <tenco> just try it with sudo aptitude
[01:38] <tenco> jup
[01:38] <tenco> search for sth like kubuntu-desktop
[01:38] <satafterh> i am new to linux and i have seen a few people say kde is not stable, i have not had an issue in the month running kubuntu aand gnome is kind of boring looking
[01:39] <phreakys> weird
[01:39] <phreakys> kubuntu desktop was not installed
[01:40] <phreakys> i think this happened after i shut down dpkg with killall -9 dpkg
[01:40] <phreakys> i guess it will restore the settings now :-)
[01:40] <phreakys> *reboot*
[01:44] <phreakys> pfew
[01:44] <phreakys> its back
[01:44] <phreakys> :-D
[01:45] <tenco> :)
[01:45] <phreakys> tnx for the tip tenco
[01:45] <pl_ice_> hey
[01:45] <phreakys> ey
[01:45] <tenco> np. now you know why kynaptic is evil :)
[01:45] <pl_ice_> u guys using mesg by any chance?
[01:45] <phreakys> heh :)
[01:46] <tenco> bye!
[01:46] <phreakys> bye
[01:51] <PurpleMotion> why is it every time someone says 'bible thumper' i hear 'bible humper'?
[01:51] <PurpleMotion> i retract that question. i'm going to bed
[01:51] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i dunno, i think its related to having a 'My pornography' directory :P
[01:52] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  you think the My Pornography Directory is bad.... it's organized by the type of pornography :D I have Sodomy, Menage, Fellatio, Cunnilingus, Lesbian, Threesomes, etc etc etc
[01:53] <nikkia> yes, i imagine you would
[01:53] <PurpleMotion> over half of it is my wife's you know....
[01:53] <PurpleMotion> well, about half, actually
[01:53] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: don't doubt it, i have a sizable collection too
[01:54] <PurpleMotion> ;) most people do.. it's just us bold few who admit it
[01:54] <PurpleMotion> but i also smoke weed, drink, and trip whenever i can find a suitable hallucinogen
[01:55] <PurpleMotion> hostname:
[01:55] <PurpleMotion> psilocybin
[01:56] <nikkia> wow, thanks
[01:56] <nikkia> you just reminded me of an album i'm missing
[01:56] <PurpleMotion> anytime ;)
[01:56] <PurpleMotion> LOL
[01:57] <PurpleMotion> what album is that?
[01:57] <nikkia> The Cars
[01:57] <nikkia> bah, its not on the torrent site i use :/
[01:57] <_thiago> hey, hi everyone
[01:58] <PurpleMotion> try a different site
[01:58] <PurpleMotion> hi thiago
[01:58] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i only download music in FLAC format
[01:58] <nikkia> so the site i use is pretty much 'it' :/
[01:58] <PurpleMotion> torrentreactor.net, torrentspy.com, piratebay.some_shit
[01:58] <PurpleMotion> oh
[01:58] <nikkia> everywhere else tends to be MP3 junk
[01:58] <PurpleMotion> like you can hear the difference
[01:58] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: yes, i can
[01:59] <_thiago> what is the best multimedia player for kubuntu nowadays?
[01:59] <PieD> _thiago: ...
[01:59] <PurpleMotion> mplayer
[01:59] <PieD> music player only : amaroK
[01:59] <_thiago> for video?
[01:59] <nikkia> _thiago: most people like amarok, but its lack of anything but mp3 and ogg support is annoying
[01:59] <PieD> else mplayer or kaffeine
[01:59] <PurpleMotion> shouldnt that be Kamaro by traditional kde naming convention?
[01:59] <nikkia> _thiago: for video, i use xine
[01:59] <PurpleMotion> yeah amaroK needs plugins
[02:00] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: well, it is written amaroK *shrug*
[02:00] <PieD> nikkia: can't amaroK support wav, wma... ?
[02:00] <PurpleMotion> for video and audio and codecs and whatnot
[02:00] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: it can actually *play* lots of formats with the right backend
[02:00] <PieD> using an engine including that codecs
[02:00] <_thiago> thanks, im using xmms for mp3, but im looking foward for a decent video player
[02:00] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: the problem is, it can't hold anything but mp3 and ogg in its collection
[02:00] <nikkia> and the collection is clearly the main reason to use amaroK
[02:00] <PurpleMotion> which is ridiculous
[02:00] <PurpleMotion> yah
[02:00] <PieD> nikkia: how can't it handle a no-documented format like wma ?
[02:00] <PurpleMotion> i love how it sorts
[02:01] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: more so when you realise that KDE itself handles lots of formats, and can extract meta info from almost all of them
[02:01] <PieD> how can you retrieve tags from wma files ?
[02:01] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  so someone needs to light a fire uner the guys ass who writes amaroK
[02:01] <nikkia> pied, i don't care about WMA, but there are plenty of documented file formats that it COULD support
[02:01] <PurpleMotion> i gotta take a leak, ill brb
[02:01] <PieD> send bug reports
[02:01] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: tbh, given some of his blog, i dunno if its worthwhile
[02:02] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: it might be better off to write an alternative, you only really need a collection manager and let KDE handle playback and getting the meta info
[02:02] <PieD> nikkia: it's not better !
[02:03] <PurpleMotion> id use mplayer for the backend
[02:03] <PurpleMotion> well except for streaming
[02:03] <PurpleMotion> mplayer doesnt seem to stream for shit
[02:03] <PieD> amaroK can use xine for the backend
[02:03] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: ffmpeg is another option
[02:03] <PieD> and it works perfectly
[02:03] <PieD> you only have to extend their library
[02:04] <PieD> is that so hard ?
[02:04] <nikkia> PieD: yes
[02:04] <PurpleMotion> it can use gstreamer too cant it?
[02:04] <_thiago> ive just installed kaffeiine, and its already crashed...
[02:04] <PieD> PurpleMotion: yes, it can
[02:04] <nikkia> PieD: the collection manager is very badly written, IMO
[02:04] <PieD> nikkia: you can't even report bugs ?
[02:04] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  have you had a look at the source?
[02:04] <nikkia> pied, given that it doesn't recognise 99% of my music, wtf should i run it to run bugs ?
[02:04] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: yes
[02:04] <PieD> ...
[02:05] <PurpleMotion> that nasty, eh
[02:05] <PieD> nikkia: that's the worst behaviour you could have
[02:05] <PurpleMotion> nikkia so write us a new one
[02:05] <PurpleMotion> same basic behavior, proper support
[02:05] <nikkia> PieD: if it recognised most of my music, i would run it, and report bugs, but i'm not running it just to go 'oh look, it doesn't recognise over 50GB of my music
[02:05] <PurpleMotion> we'll all salivate gratuitously towards you for it :)
[02:05] <PieD> what format is your music ?
[02:05] <PieD> you even didn't say it
[02:05] <PurpleMotion> yeah she did
[02:05] <nikkia> pied, flac and aac
[02:05] <PurpleMotion> flac
[02:06] <PieD> flac isn't supported by amaroK ?
[02:06] <PieD> I believed it was
[02:06] <nikkia> pied, no
[02:06] <PieD> report bug
[02:06] <roguejedix_> Sure it is
[02:06] <PieD> that's so hard to click on a button ?
[02:06] <roguejedix_> My amarok plays flac files just fine
[02:06] <PurpleMotion> but the organizer doesnt list them
[02:06] <nikkia> roguejedix_: plays, or recognises in the collection ?
[02:06] <PurpleMotion> thats her point
[02:06] <nikkia> roguejedix_: there's a big difference
[02:07] <nikkia> if i just want to play files one by one, i can use noatun
[02:07] <PurpleMotion> I know I would *LOVE* one place to organize all my movies, music, and internet tv and radio stations (both asf and mp3, etc) together
[02:07] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: *nod* what you want, and what i really want, then, is a media manager, rather than a media player
[02:08] <roguejedix_> Whoops, my bad then
[02:08] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[02:08] <PurpleMotion> but a media manager that embeds the player
[02:08] <PurpleMotion> one interface for everything
[02:08] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: ie, something that can store details, but let something else do the work of playing the media - be it gstreamer, xine, mplayer, kde/arts
[02:08] <PurpleMotion> write it for me, nikkia
[02:08] <PurpleMotion> i'll give you some porn :>
[02:09] <PurpleMotion> but it has to be able to manage streaming audio and video too
[02:09] <PurpleMotion> especially wma/wmv/asf
[02:10] <PieD> PurpleMotion: wma and wmv must be banned !
[02:10] <PurpleMotion> screw that
[02:10] <PurpleMotion> just build in support
[02:10] <PieD> nikkia: amaroK supports flac in the library
[02:10] <PieD> PurpleMotion: that formats are pieces of shit !
[02:11] <PieD> you can't use it on PPC linux for instance
[02:11] <PurpleMotion> whatever, lots of stuff is released in them, therefore i require support. i couldn't possibly care less about peoples opinions over open and closed source formats and codecs, ALL I care about is whether or not it works.
[02:11] <PurpleMotion> so take your holy war elsewhere :)
[02:11] <PurpleMotion> !start a wm war
[02:11] <ubotu> fluxbox decimates gnome
[02:12] <PieD> you can't support them without win32codecs
[02:12] <PieD> so you can't support them builtin
[02:12] <PurpleMotion> w32codecs
[02:12] <PurpleMotion> and as long as the player looks for those codecs we dont have a problem
[02:12] <PieD> PurpleMotion: they was called win32codecs (I don't remember where and when)
[02:13] <PieD> and is it legal to use them ?
[02:13] <PieD> I'm not sure
[02:13] <PurpleMotion> do I care?
[02:13] <PurpleMotion> nope
[02:13] <nikkia> pied, there's actually little reason why they couldn't work on PPC Linux, via qemu
[02:13] <PieD> you can't distribute an application if you don't know if it's legal !
[02:13] <nikkia> they wouldn't be fast, but then, the cpu required for decoding wma isn't huge anyway
[02:14] <PurpleMotion> see thats the difference between us, you bother yourself with trivial legalities that will NEVER come into play fromy our own PERSONAL use. I don't
[02:14] <PieD> nikkia: do you call that a solution ?
[02:14] <PieD> if yes, then I can say all windows apps run on linux
[02:14] <PurpleMotion> PieD:  so leave the systemt he way it is. allow for codecs as plugins
[02:14] <nikkia> pied, its more of a solution than running around shouting 'they should be banned!' is, when the latter will acomplish nothing, because commercial radio stations will just ignore you and continue to stream .wma
[02:14] <PieD> I suppose that's why so much people use MSN : they don't care about licenses
[02:14] <PurpleMotion> LOTS of windows apps run BETTER on linux than they do on windows
[02:15] <PieD> commercial radio sends shit here, in France
[02:15] <PieD> and online music "shops" doesn't have any music I like nor firefox support
[02:17] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  if you wrote such an app... multifaceted, even, it would surely replace amaroK and definately make it into the next release of KDE.. you could even piss off the amaroK author by naming it Kamaro ;)
[02:17] <PieD> PurpleMotion: KDE cares about legal issues
[02:18] <mornfall> PurpleMotion: heh?
[02:19] <PurpleMotion> PieD:  oh gods would you stuff it already. Amarok is COMPLETELY capable of playing EVERY restricted format that anything else is capable of. Besides we're not talking about a player, we're talking about a media manager that EMBEDS the necessary players - EXACTLY as amaroK does, just the author of amaroK was too lazy to write in support for any formats other than mp3 and ogg in the collection...
[02:19] <PurpleMotion> amaroK doesnt PLAY anything
[02:20] <PurpleMotion> it uses a backend
[02:20] <PurpleMotion> afaik
[02:20] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: correct
[02:20] <PieD> you spoke about builltin support of wma
[02:20] <PurpleMotion> i meant the media manager
[02:20] <PurpleMotion> sorry to not have clarified
[02:20] <PurpleMotion> for example
[02:20] <PurpleMotion> mplayer plays wma with w32codecs installed
[02:21] <PurpleMotion> so does xine
[02:21] <PurpleMotion> so does gstreamer
[02:21] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: libavcodec can handle some of the wmas too
[02:21] <nikkia> (aka ffmpeg)
[02:21] <PurpleMotion> you're in bed with ffmpeg, aren't you ;)
[02:22] <PurpleMotion> this app would simply list and organize my wma/wmv files and play them using whatever was appropriate
[02:22] <PurpleMotion> but it would embed the player
[02:22] <PurpleMotion> one set of controls for everything
[02:22] <jbasilio> anyone know how to, by default, start multiple X sessions?
[02:23] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  thats all fine and good, but under no circumstances should compatibility be comprimised...
[02:24] <PurpleMotion> if it plays 'some' wma but not all, there should be a failsafe to check other apps for compatibility before giving up on the format
[02:24] <PurpleMotion> that make sense?
[02:24] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: you'd probably want a way to set the backend per catalog item
[02:24] <CyberMad> damn,.. how to make my vncviewer works with my keyboard too?
[02:25] <CyberMad> i use Real VNC
[02:25] <CyberMad> and just support mouse :(
[02:25] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: as WMA7 might play better via libavcodec than via w32codecs, for example
[02:25] <PurpleMotion> see, people, Multimedia is my bread and butter. I'm a ginormous media buff. I have every movie within 48 hours of its theatre release, i have every cd on release day, and every xbox game usually a week before it releases
[02:25] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  right on
[02:26] <PurpleMotion> I have terabytes dedicated to movies spanning the past ten years
[02:26] <CyberMad> i already choose "Accept keyboard events from clients" in Real VNC Server Properties (User-Mode)
[02:26] <CyberMad> but looks like only accept input from mouse :(
[02:26] <PurpleMotion> vnc can be fickle
[02:27] <PurpleMotion> use rdp :)
[02:27] <CyberMad> rdp must be log off the system :(
[02:27] <PurpleMotion> i thought there was a setting for that
[02:27] <PurpleMotion> anyways
[02:27] <CyberMad> because the windows still running for processing
[02:28] <PurpleMotion> i gotta hit the sack
[02:28] <CyberMad> yes... i already did
[02:28] <PurpleMotion> later people
[02:28] <CyberMad> i already choose "Accept keyboard events from clients" in Real VNC Server Properties (User-Mode)
[02:28] <pl_ice_> anyone uses mesg ? between to linux boxes/
[02:28] <pl_ice_> ?/
[02:28] <PurpleMotion> nikkia, it's been a pleasure as always (well, except when you're 'critiquing' my desktop :P~ )
[02:28] <CyberMad> pl_ice_ Qnext
[02:28] <CyberMad> but it's slow
[02:29] <PurpleMotion> but thats gotten better too ;)
[02:29] <CyberMad> it's support multiplatform
[02:29] <PurpleMotion> PieD:  much fun fighting with you
[02:29] <PurpleMotion> everyone else, cheerio
[02:29] <nikkia> see ya later PM
[02:29] <PieD> PurpleMotion: I prefer having fun with my python bot
[02:29] <PieD> adding useless (so obligatory) features
[02:29] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war
[02:29] <ubotu> debian rules over redhat
[02:30] <PieD> that's what amaroK has and you'll need a lot of time to have it in another player
[02:30] <PieD> (lyrics, wiki, cover manager...)
[02:30] <pl_ice_> CyberMad , is that a program? or .. ? explain pls
[02:30] <PurpleMotion> none of those are really difficult
[02:30] <CyberMad> program
[02:30] <nikkia> pied, i imagine about 10 people care about wiki support in a media player/manager
[02:30] <PurpleMotion> pull covers from cddb these days
[02:30] <CyberMad> google it
[02:30] <PurpleMotion> use the same method wmp uses to pull covers
[02:30] <PieD> nikkia: no, I really like that support
[02:30] <pl_ice_> oki
[02:31] <nikkia> pied, as for covers, its not exceptionally hard, i've written such things before
[02:31] <PieD> I learn things about the artists I'm listening to
[02:31] <nikkia> pied, great, we just need to find the other 9 people then :P
[02:31] <PurpleMotion> AHH! I'm not getting sucked back into this...
[02:31] <CyberMad> vncviewer -fullscreen 192.168.1.1   <- i already use that to get connected to my  windows box
[02:31] <CyberMad> is that anything more?
[02:31] <PurpleMotion> I promised my childrens I would take them to their friends today and I aim to do so before dark!
[02:31] <CyberMad> so i can input from keyboard
[02:32] <PurpleMotion> (I like to install vnc on ppls computers when theyre not paying attentiont hen fuck with them while they're trying to work)
[02:32] <PurpleMotion> yes, i have way too much free time
[02:34] <CyberMad> lol
[02:34] <CyberMad> can u input keyboard?
[02:38] <CyberMad> can u input character from keyboard?
[02:39] <CyberMad> i mean from linux to windows use VNC
[02:41] <Bjerrk> Hi! How long does Kubuntu take to boot? (My brother's getting a new HDD for his birthday, and i'm gonna surprise him by putting Linux on it :). I just happens that he wants a fast booting OS).
[02:42] <jpatrick> I takes 2 minutes on my brothers and sister's computer
[02:42] <jpatrick> It*
[02:43] <CyberMad> depends on processor
[02:43] <CyberMad> memory, etc
[02:43] <Bjerrk> what about on a 2.4 ghz intel p4, with 512 mb's of ram? :)
[02:44] <jpatrick> My bro's computer has PII and 256MB RAM
[02:44] <jpatrick> Bjerrk: that's fast
[02:44] <CyberMad> takes 1 mins
[02:44] <Bjerrk> nice :)... i've heard that Kubuntu is fast at booting...
[02:44] <CyberMad> to thw login page
[02:44] <Bjerrk> Is Yoper faster?
[02:44] <jpatrick> It is
[02:44] <jpatrick> Yoper, eww
[02:45] <CyberMad> quite faster than redhat
[02:45] <CyberMad> it depends on what package in other distro you installed and choose as start up service
[02:45] <Bjerrk> jpatrick: maybe yoper is eww, but ATM he's using windowsxp home
[02:46] <Bjerrk> I find this "my distro is better that your distro"-thing extremely ridiculous. We're all using Linux FFS :D
[02:46] <jpatrick> :P
[02:46] <jpatrick> :D
[02:47] <CyberMad> every distro have own advantages
[02:47] <PieD> Bjerrk: so every distro sucks since the linux kernel sucks when it's compared with hurd :p
[02:47] <roguejedix_> Do I smell BSD coming?
[02:47] <PieD> BSD is horrible
[02:47] <Bjerrk> PieD: NO! Every distro rocks! :D
[02:47] <PieD> I can't install it on my computer
[02:48] <PieD> Bjerrk: even mine ?
[02:48] <Bjerrk> PieD: i wouldn't know...
[02:48] <CyberMad> do you know any better Yahoo! Messenger client than kopete, because in Kopete i don't which person that "on SMS" or not -_- 
[02:49] <roguejedix_> Try gaim
[02:49] <CyberMad> please help me... does gaim better than kopete?
[02:50] <CyberMad> or do you know anything better?
[02:50] <jpatrick> Gaim's MetaContact feature is horrible
[02:50] <CyberMad> this is my online internet messenger
[02:50] <roguejedix_> Sorry, I don't really understand what you're after
[02:50] <CyberMad> and i need the best software of it
[02:52] <CyberMad> every time i send message to my friends.. and i don't that he on SMS, not online :(
[02:52] <CyberMad> every time i send message to my friends.. and i don't know that he on SMS, not online :(
[02:56] <roguejedix_> Like I said, try gaim. If that doesn't work for you, I'm out of ideas, really
[02:56] <roguejedix_> Though Kopete works just fine for me
[02:57] <CyberMad> where can i get gaim? from sourceforge or just simple from aptitude / apt-get ?
[02:58] <milksteak> apt-get
[02:58] <CyberMad> ok thanks
[02:58] <milksteak> gaim's rather nice
[02:59] <Xk2c> hello
[02:59] <roguejedix_> aptitude / apt-get
[02:59] <milksteak> I've never really liked kopete much
[02:59] <milksteak> bleh
[02:59] <milksteak> this is getting annoying
[03:00] <milksteak> vmware refuses to install
[03:00] <CyberMad> why do you use vmware?
[03:00] <CyberMad> for windows OS?
[03:00] <roguejedix_> milksteak: Really? I've installed it just fine. My problem was it wouldn't stay installed
[03:01] <milksteak> heh
[03:01] <milksteak> well using the .tar.gz, I'll run vmware-install.pl
[03:02] <milksteak> and it keeps failing to copy services.sh to where ever it goes
[03:02] <milksteak> just then I got the .rpm
[03:02] <milksteak> used alien on it
[03:02] <milksteak> installed
[03:02] <milksteak> then when I go to run
[03:02] <milksteak> I get
[03:02] <milksteak> /usr/bin/vmware: line 85: /etc/vmware/locations: No such file or directory
[03:02] <milksteak> /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: No such file or directory
[03:02] <milksteak> /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: exec: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: cannot execute: No such file or directory
[03:02] <ralph1> Hi all: Is there a problem with the repositories? I tryed to do a apt-get update, but a lot of the repositories look like they are down.
[03:03] <milksteak> ralph1, mine are working fine
[03:04] <Xk2c> ralph1, yesterday I had Probs with the Backports Server
[03:05] <ralph1> milksteak: mine are not looks like mostly backport repositories but there are othlers also timeing out
[03:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, after changing this mirrow all worked fine again
[03:06] <Xk2c> ralph1, now i use: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:07] <Bjerrk> is it possible to Install Kubuntu on PATA disks?
[03:07] <ralph1> Xk2c: were you using the planetmirrow.com site
[03:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, yes I think so
[03:08] <Bjerrk> And if so... What's the procedure?
[03:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, can't remeber exactly, cause i erased it allready from sourses.lis
[03:08] <Xk2c> t
[03:08] <ralph1> Xk2c: Let me change that and see how it goes than.
[03:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;)
[03:11] <martin-> nee some help: I installed a debian package (openmsx). When installing i got some reports about a different libc6 version. I chose to ignore that error and the program works fine. However, when i want to use synaptic package manager he complains about broken packages and with every action wants to remove that packages. Can i somehow let synaptic ignore broken packages?
[03:13] <tribe``> yo, anyone knows if i can install a kubuntu live-cd?
[03:13] <Xk2c> tribe``, afaik no
[03:13] <Xk2c> tribe``, there is an install CD too
[03:13] <ralph1> Xk2c: Getting rid of the planetmirrow repositories got rid of my problem. Thanks very much. Now it is onto trying to delete openoffice 1.1.3 which seems to want to take kubuntu-desktop with it.
[03:14] <Xk2c> ralph1, :D
[03:14] <Xk2c> Now it is onto trying to delete openoffice 1.1.3 which seems?? ralph1 why?
[03:14] <Xk2c> ralph1, i had not this
[03:17] <ralph1> Xk2c: every time I have used synaptic, kynapic to try and remove openoffice to indicates that it wants to also remove kunbuntu-desktop. Some one on the channel stated that they had the same problem everytime they try to delete something it wants to delete kunbutu-desktop also.
[03:18] <tribe``> ok thx Xk2c, just didnt wan't to download a 600MB file again =p
[03:18] <Xk2c> tribe``, ;)
[03:19] <Xk2c> ralph1, seems to me, that Ooffice is an dependency from kunbuntu-desktop
[03:19] <jpatrick> it is
[03:19] <jpatrick> I hate that
[03:19] <Xk2c> ralph1, this means u can't remove Oofiice without kunbuntu-desktop
[03:19] <jpatrick> then remove Kubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <Xk2c> s/Oofiice/Ooffice
[03:20] <Xk2c> jpatrick, ;P
[03:20] <nikkia> lol @ NHL 2k5
[03:21] <nikkia> two amazing goals within a minute, one passed to a player then shot between his legs behind him, another where it bounced off the goalies' shoulder into the net
[03:22] <ralph1> Xk2c: what I was planning to do was go to termianl apt-get remove openoffice, then restore/reinstall kunbutu-desktop then install the openoffice2 package I have created from the script on the forum.
[03:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, the only possibilty to accomplish this I konw is: dpkg --get-selections | grep 'install$' | awk '{print $1}' > list.txt
[03:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, then  aptitude reinstall $(cat list.txt)
[03:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, but this will reinstall EVERYTHING
[03:24] <Xk2c> !
[03:24] <ubotu> Xk2c: I haven't a clue
[03:25] <ralph1> Xk2c: But now I am not sure that is wise.
[03:25] <Xk2c> ralph1, try to instal first openoffice2, then rmove openoffice
[03:26] <Xk2c> ralph1, have i got u right u like to replace openoffice with openoffice2?
[03:27] <Xk2c> ralph1 Xk2c: But now I am not sure that is wise. >> It will overright all the changes u made in /etc
[03:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, ao shuold make a backup BEFOR!!!
[03:27] <Xk2c> s/ao/so
[03:27] <ralph1> Xk2c: The fourm script that created the openoffice 1.9.122.deb stated that openoffice had to be removed before openoffice2 could be installed.
[03:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic
[03:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, the link to this article??
[03:28] <ralph1> Xk2c: one minute let me look it up
[03:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;) sure, no prob
[03:35] <sixfeet> nicht da
[03:35] <sixfeet> <empty clipboard>
[03:39] <ralph1> Xk2c: Here is the link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&highlight=openoffice the script is on the last page. I have already created the deb but need to remove openoffice 1 before installing it
[03:39] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic, will read
[03:42] <ralph1> Xk2c: oops the script I used is on page 24 of the thread, looks like someone updated the script on the last page
[03:42] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic
[03:44] <Bags> Hi room. 
[03:45] <Bags> You've got a noob here with  a couple of PPC machines with Kubuntu
[03:45] <Bags> I can't log into a folder share on the Kubuntu machines with a winXP machine. Any thoughts?
[03:46] <Xk2c> ralph1, there are also deb's fpr Oo2 in repos
[03:46] <Xk2c> s/fpr/for
[03:47] <Xk2c> ralph1, Oo2  1.9.79.2
[03:47] <Xk2c> ralph1, why not use this?
[03:48] <Bags> Both machines are appearing in the right windows domain and I can log into each other Kubuntu machine with the other. 
[03:48] <Bags> I don't think I'm entering the right username and password, but I'm not sure I've set up the permissions and user accounts right...
[03:50] <ralph1> Xk2c: was trying to get a newer build I know ubuntu breezy has 1.9.121
[03:50] <d>  I'm currently running Kubuntu Hoary w/ KDE 3.4.2. If I upgrade the kernel, will a 'Suspend to disk' option appear under the KDE shutdown menu? What kernel version do I need?
[03:51] <Xk2c> ralph1, seems I'm one of this lonly hoary stable users  ;P
[03:53] <Xk2c> ralph1, seems i found that script
[03:53] <ralph1> Xk2c: That is what I am running, but I have just installed ubuntu breezy on to my test partition. It is impressive, but not KDE. Have not played with it enough yet to see if I can get kubuntu-desktop installed on it
[03:54] <Xk2c> ralph1, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[03:55] <Xk2c> ralph1, but ther is a gcc transition right on the way
[03:55] <d> Do I need to upgrade to breezy of can I just update the kernel to get suspend to disk?
[03:55] <Xk2c> ralph1, be careful with this, cause kde depends much on this
[03:55] <ralph1> Xk2c: I think so 
[03:57] <Xk2c> ralph1, ok our prob is: Oo1 is installed and is an dependcy of kubuntu-desktop, Oo2 can't be installed at the same time, right?
[03:58] <ralph1> Xk2c: I think for now I am going to play it safe and see if the 1.9.79 will install and work with my files that were created with a newer build
[03:58] <ralph1> Xk2c: yes that is the problem
[03:58] <Xk2c> ralph1, in breezy repos should be newer version
[03:58] <Xk2c> ralph1, 1.9.79 is hoary
[03:59] <ralph1> Xk2c: that is right
[03:59] <ralph1> Xk2c: breezy has version 1.9.121
[03:59] <Xk2c> ralph1, is there a equivalent of emerge --inject in Ubuntu (from Gentoo)
[03:59] <Xk2c> ?
[04:00] <ralph1> Xk2c: no idea
[04:00] <Xk2c> ralph1, wouldn't that help
[04:00] <Xk2c> ?
[04:00] <Xk2c> isn't that the newest version?
[04:01] <Xk2c> hmm
[04:01] <ralph1> Xk2c: 1.9.122 or 1.9.123 is the latest if memory serves me right, but 1.9.121 is good enough for me.
[04:02] <ralph1> Xk2c: maybe the easiest way is for me to boot breezy and pull the files I need to work on from hoary and just be done with it.
[04:03] <Xk2c> ralph1, Maybe I'm wrong but this will probably not work
[04:04] <Xk2c> ralph1, u can't use packages from breezy in hoary
[04:04] <ralph1> Xk2c: ?
[04:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, understand u right: You will download the breezy packages and install it in hoary?
[04:05] <ralph1> Xk2c: No I was think of booting up my breezy install and move the openoffice files I need to work on from my hoary partition to my breezy partition
[04:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, ahhhh ic
[04:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, jap
[04:06] <Xk2c> ralph1, but remeber breezy _IS_ testing
[04:06] <Xk2c> defently
[04:07] <ralph1> Xk2c: I know but for me on this hardware it seems more stable than my kubuntu hoary install.
[04:07] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;D
[04:07] <Xk2c> ic
[04:07] <Xk2c> ralph1, which means Ubuntu Breezy Team made a good job!!
[04:07] <Xk2c> ;)
[04:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, and do not dist-upgrade
[04:08] <ralph1> Xk2c: was when I first installed it. Took me days of reading the forums, asking questions and problly over a week of work to get were it worked like it should.
[04:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, gcc transition!
[04:09] <Xk2c> ralph1, Ubuntu was for the one distro that were customized the most I liked, than any other else
[04:10] <Xk2c> ralph1, Ubuntu rocks
[04:10] <Xk2c> ;)
[04:11] <Xk2c> ralph1, good luck :)
[04:11] <ralph1> Xk2c: For now I just plan of moveing the one or two files I need to work with. And then play. I like my hoary Kubuntu install, and not too sure I want to upgrade as soon as Kubuntu Breezy comes out.
[04:11] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic
[04:11] <ralph1> Xk2c: Think I will waite a while before I break this install.
[04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, *lool*
[04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, jap
[04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, me2
[04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, 4weeks or so...
[04:12] <Xk2c> ;P
[04:12] <Xk2c> and then....
[04:13] <ralph1> Xk2c: Outside of some packages I would like to have updated this is my sweet spot.
[04:13] <Xk2c> ralph1, right now i have the frist Linux installation, that is just right the way i would like to have
[04:13] <Xk2c> ralph1, and i tried aaaa lot of distros
[04:13] <eazel7> do you think it is possible to create a graphical qt frontend for the kubuntu installation as lycoris had?
[04:14] <ralph1> Xk2c: And how knows maybe some one on the channel will make me backports of those
[04:15] <Xk2c> ralph1, to make a distro is a full time job
[04:15] <Xk2c> ralph1, i always want the latest version of this or that
[04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, but there is also stability and so..
[04:16] <ralph1> Xk2c: Me too I have tried them all and moved on frustrated with them all. The closest I came was Kanotix, but it tracks Debian testing too closely, a upgrade on the wrong day can destroy your system.
[04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, *lool* ohhhh yes
[04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, i know
[04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, tried a lot times
[04:16] <Xk2c> ;)
[04:17] <Xk2c> knoppix is great
[04:17] <Xk2c> but only as live-System
[04:18] <ralph1> Xk2c: me too I want stability, but also the latest KDE, Kmymoney2, OpenOffice and Gramps, the rest I do not care about so much
[04:18] <Xk2c> ralph1, *loooool*
[04:18] <Xk2c> ralph1, in my opinion Ubuntu does a great job on just right this...
[04:18] <ralph1> Xk2c: This is the closest to meeting all my wants.
[04:19] <penguinboy> hey hey hey
[04:19] <Xk2c> ralph1, yeah ;) that's true
[04:19] <penguinboy> how can I view files with the following extensions:  wmv, avi, mpg, mpeg????
[04:20] <ralph1> Xk2c: And a kind soul on the channel was kind enough to backport some packages for me that I really needed and that has kept me here.
[04:20] <Xk2c> ralph1, :) coool
[04:20] <eazel7> penguinboy: look ubuntuguide.org ;)
[04:20] <Xk2c> ralph1, the community rocks!!!!
[04:20] <ralph1> Xk2c: Yes
[04:20] <penguinboy> well sure...i was looking for the easy answer!  haha
[04:21] <Xk2c> ralph1, one for all,all for one
[04:21] <Xk2c> ,)
[04:22] <penguinboy> An error occurred while loading http://www.ubuntuguide.org:
[04:22] <penguinboy> Unknown host www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:22] <OculusAquilae> penguinboy: it works for me
[04:22] <penguinboy> mm
[04:22] <OculusAquilae> ralph1: it does
[04:23] <OculusAquilae> penguinboy: perhaps http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html helps you
[04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;)
[04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, i have installed them both
[04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, i use the programms just i like, right away
[04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, doesn't matter to me if kde or gnome
[04:25] <Xk2c> ralph1, they all work great together (only sidenode kde progs need a bitt longer to load in gnome)
[04:26] <Xk2c> http://liberta.frequence3.net:19000/frequence3.ogg   rocks ;)
[04:26] <ralph1> Xk2c: I prefer KDE Programs, but when a Gnome one is superiour, Or a KDE one does not exist for it I use gnome. Just do not like the gnome desktop stuff
[04:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic
[04:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, was the same for me befor Ubuntu
[04:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, but since Ubuntu i started to really like gnome
[04:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, not the the standard ganome
[04:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, but the customized version from Ubuntu
[04:28] <Bags> Ok. I've worked it out. 
[04:28] <apokryphos> Xk2c: is it that customized? Seems fairly standard to me
[04:28] <Bags> I need to manually make a sambapasswd file and populate it. 
[04:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, everything worked for me out of the box
[04:29] <Xk2c> ralph1, usb sound 
[04:29] <CyberMad> do you where to find debian package? i want to search "cbrpager"
[04:29] <Xk2c> ralph1, everything
[04:29] <Bags> Strange that they give you such a beautiful GUI and then make you use the shell to enable it's functions...
[04:29] <ralph1> Xk2c: Perhaps that will happen with me also. After having seen Ubuntu breezy, I am thinking when the time comes. I will update to Ubuntu Breezy and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <Xk2c> ralph1, *lool*
[04:30] <Xk2c> ralph1, feel free
[04:30] <Xk2c> ;)
[04:30] <apokryphos> ralph1: the time is now ;-)
[04:30] <Xk2c> may the force be with u  ;D
[04:30] <Xk2c> *lool*
[04:31] <ralph1> Xk2c: For me everthing in Ubuntu Breezy works out of the box, but my Kubuntu Hoary to alot of work to get to the same point.
[04:31] <CyberMad> how to get these files?
[04:31] <CyberMad> checking for g++... no
[04:31] <CyberMad> checking for c++... no
[04:31] <CyberMad> checking for gpp... no
[04:31] <CyberMad> etc
[04:31] <apokryphos> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[04:31] <CyberMad> thanks
[04:32] <ralph1> Xk2c: some of the time was just learning about ubuntu and finding the knowledge I needed to get it all working.
[04:33] <Xk2c> ralph1, understand
[04:33] <Xk2c> ralph1, me2
[04:33] <ralph1> apokryphos: not so sure of the timeing, maybe by time colony 4 comes out I will not be able to resist
[04:33] <Xk2c> ralph1, but it is worth the time
[04:33] <apokryphos> Sure, up to you. It's actually fairly stable now, though.
[04:34] <Xk2c> ralph1, for me Ubuntu-Gome is standard Deskop and I use some kde apps
[04:34] <Xk2c> ralph1, never could life without konqueror  ,)
[04:34] <Xk2c> :P
[04:35] <OculusAquilae> lol
[04:35] <Bags> I quite like KDE. 
[04:35] <ralph1> apokryphos: From a brief play and install of ubuntu Breezy it does seem very stable, But I am mainly a KDE desktop man and I do not think it is ready in Breezy yet.
[04:35] <Bags> I'm a noob, and found Gnome to be a little too foreign to me. 
[04:36] <apokryphos> ralph1: I am only a KDE desktop man, and kde 3.4.2 is in Breezy now as it is; works fairly fine, since it was only adjusted a little for Breezy
[04:36] <Bags> The accessories in KDE are quite interesting... 
[04:36] <PieD> Bags: gnome fanatics says KDE isn't for noobs while gnome is because gnome has less options
[04:36] <Bags> PieD: Is that right? 
[04:36] <PieD> they say that, but simplicity can be a matter of taste
[04:36] <apokryphos> KDE has infinitely more features and better functionality, as far as I've seen. I really think the usability is better; plus the small fact that 99% of my apps are kde 8)
[04:37] <PieD> is there a hope to see KDE 3.5 in kubuntu 5.10 ?
[04:37] <ralph1> apokryphos: but what of gcc transition which is still on going
[04:37] <_StarScream> PieD: odd how most enterprise distro's ship with KDE :)
[04:37] <PieD> apokryphos: yes, off course :)
[04:37] <apokryphos> PieD: they're thinking a beta might be in it, yes.
[04:37] <PieD> here 100% of my apps are KDE one :)
[04:37] <Xk2c> oh man what have i started  ;p
[04:37] <Bags> PieD: I found that KDE was quite an exciting UI. Fully featured. Plenty to muck with. Good fun too. 
[04:37] <PieD> apokryphos: :)
[04:37] <jpatrick> 100% KDE here
[04:37] <PieD> ouf
[04:37] <Xk2c> *lool*
[04:37] <PieD> (I don't know how to translate "ouf")
[04:37] <apokryphos> PieD: only use Limewire and Gimp (on rare occassions); otherwise, pure kde.
[04:38] <PieD> only use netbeans, otherwise pure KDE :)
[04:38] <Bags> PieD: Gnome is really cool too, don't get me wrong... 
[04:38] <Xk2c> ralph1, really nice to meet u here
[04:38] <apokryphos> Still, I can't help but thinking that "gnome's simplicity" is kind of a quasi-cop-out or just slang for "we don't have as many features"; like, a fashionable way of admitting they don't :|
[04:38] <PieD> Bags: gnome hides a lot of things
[04:38] <apokryphos> [/troll]  8)
[04:38] <Xk2c> ralph1, interesting conversation
[04:38] <Bags> PieD: Right. 
[04:38] <Bags> PieD: i wouldn't know. 
[04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, except that they HAD the features, and took them out :O
[04:39] <Bags> PieD: I'm running it on two machines here now. 
[04:39] <PieD> Bags: for instance, they're using more and more their registry-like tool : gconf
[04:39] <CyberMad> damn... :(
[04:39] <PieD> I think it's dangerous
[04:39] <CyberMad> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[04:39] <Xk2c> heeeeeeello people
[04:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh; when?
[04:39] <CyberMad> is that mean i can't compile the source?
[04:39] <Xk2c> this IS NOT a FLAME WAR!
[04:39] <PieD> CyberMad: apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-devel ?
[04:39] <Xk2c> kde is good
[04:39] <PieD> (not sure for the name)
[04:39] <Xk2c> gnome also
[04:39] <CyberMad> kubuntu is KDE right?
[04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: the 'simplification' was all part of the migration from gnome 1.x to 2.x
[04:39] <apokryphos> CyberMad: correct
[04:40] <PieD> Xk2c: but KDE is god ?
[04:40] <Bags> I've a G3 Powerbook that I"m typeing this on now, and a G4 PowerMac and it's never moved so quickly in it's life! 
[04:40] <Xk2c> PieD, see above
[04:40] <CyberMad> then that's gnome.. is that possible?
[04:40] <PieD> Xk2c: I'm kidding
[04:40] <Xk2c> PieD, ;P
[04:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: again, to me it just seems that making simplicity as a goal is a way of accepting that they just won't have as many features
[04:40] <CyberMad> apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-devel   <- so how do i know the correct one?
[04:40] <CyberMad> google?
[04:40] <Bags> PieD: If I could get a Java plug to work in the web browser, I'd be a happy man. 
[04:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: i dunno, never understood the point in simplifying things
[04:40] <PieD> Bags: under PPC ?
[04:40] <ralph1> Xk2c: nice to have meet you also. What have we started here.
[04:40] <Bags> PieD: Yep. 
[04:41] <Xk2c> ralph1, *LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL*
[04:41] <Xk2c> ralph1, yes
[04:41] <Xk2c> ;P
[04:41] <Bags> PieD: I've downloaded and installed the IBM one, but I can't get it to dance. 
[04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: i mean, i can understand a multi-tiered configuration tool, but removing configuration options/features just alienates people, like me
[04:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's an error many make; they think many features means a necessary sacrifice for a user. Or that simplicity necessitates better usability
[04:41] <_StarScream> Bags: yep, i've got a g3 800 ibook....kubuntu makes OSX look like mollasis
[04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: i *was* a gnome user prior to 2.0
[04:41] <PieD> Bags: I'm sorry I can't help you
[04:41] <Bags> PieD: That's ok. 
[04:41] <Xk2c> ralph1, an avalanche  ;P
[04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: then tier the configuration, its not a complicated concept, even most windows apps do that
[04:42] <apokryphos> exactly =)
[04:42] <CyberMad> E: Couldn't find package libgnomeui-2.0-devel
[04:42] <CyberMad> too bad
[04:42] <Bags> PieD: I'm getting my Silicon Graphics dual PIII machine back next week. I'll stick it on that and be done with it. The Macs go back to being boat anchors again... Sigh...
[04:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc, the other turn off for me for gnome 2.x was when they ditched sawfish for metacity
[04:43] <ralph1> Xk2c: seems so, 
[04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: i enjoyed sawfish, and being able to script your WM in lisp (? i think it was lisp) was a nice feature
[04:43] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;D
[04:43] <Bags> _StarScream: Did you ever get Java working? 
[04:43] <Xk2c> ralph1, keep on rocking
[04:43] <Bags> _StarScream: On the G3? 
[04:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: what happened to sawfish?
[04:43] <Xk2c> have a nice day u all
[04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: they decided it was too complex, iirc
[04:43] <Xk2c> bye
[04:43] <PieD> nikkia: what can you script in a WM ?
[04:43] <ralph1> Xk2c: You too.
[04:43] <nikkia> PieD: quite a lot
[04:43] <Xk2c> ralph1, bye ralph1 
[04:43] <apokryphos> heh
[04:44] <ralph1> Xk2c: bye
[04:44] <Xk2c> ralph1, happy to meet u
[04:44] <Xk2c> ;)
[04:44] <ralph1> Xk2c: me too
[04:44] <PieD> give an example ! I don't see anything a script should modify in my KWin
[04:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: still, it's interesting being on a distribution where kde is a minority, while kde is the majority in the Linux community. Makes an interesting combination.
[04:44] <CyberMad> apt-get install libgnomeui-dev  i guess this is the right one
[04:44] <nikkia> pied, given your attitude today, i really CBA to put effort into it
[04:44] <CyberMad> may i know how do i know the right package... where i have to check it/
[04:45] <PieD> and what does CBA means ? (I'm not english)
[04:45] <Bags> _StarScream: Did you ever get Java working on your G3?
[04:45] <Bags> Has anyone got Java working on a PPC machine? I mean, like, properly? 
[04:46] <umberleigh> hi. KInfoCenter tells me my soundcard is only available to root. how do i change that so i can actually use the thing?
[04:46] <nikkia> bags, i did, once, i had to use the IBM java distro tho, iirc
[04:46] <apokryphos> PieD: can't be arsed -- can't be bothered, I presume.
[04:46] <umberleigh> ie. make it available to normal users
[04:46] <nikkia> bag, iirc, the trick is to find the distro of java that IBM supply for their linux based POWER machines
[04:47] <PieD> apokryphos: thanks
[04:47] <Bags> nikkia: I'm trying that now, but being pretty green, I'm not having any luck with getting it to actually work as a plug in Konquest. 
[04:47] <hyperactivecrond> some 1 gimme an explanation of how kubuntu's kdesu works as opposed to other kdesu
[04:48] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: it's configured to use sudo instead of su
[04:48] <nikkia> bags, i can't remember if i ever tried getting it to work as a plugin, my G3/linux machine was a LAN server *shrug*
[04:48] <hyperactivecrond> ah.
[04:48] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: for opening GUI apps with root permissions, you should _always_ use it
[04:49] <hyperactivecrond> yep
[04:49] <umberleigh> erm.... wait. everything seems to be available only to root. okay... scratch that. when i login KDE tells me it can't find the audio device and defaults to /dev/null, also kmix defaults back to using my USB camera/mike instead of my nForce2 soundcard.
[04:50] <Bags> nikkia: It's wierd... I feel like the PPC machines are in the twilight zone with Java... I would have thought that Java would be easy to port over to the PPC linux distros? 
[04:50] <Bags> nikkia: A bit of a shame. Everything else is just so peachy-keen! 
[04:50] <nikkia> bags, who's going to do it? IBM is the only company with a vested interest, and they don't really sell linux desktop machines
[04:51] <nikkia> bags, i think blackdown's java works on PPC, but i've never had anything close to success with their java anyway
[04:51] <hyperactivecrond> apokryphos: is it possible to configure kdesu to use sudo as opposed to su on other distros running kde 3.4.x?
[04:51] <Bags> nikkia: Ahh, but this is the feel-good world of linux where everything is lovely and free and wonderfully hippy-like... ;-)
[04:52] <nikkia> bags, server-side, yes, IBM has an interest in making sure their java runs on PPC, and they have, from what i've experienced, but desktop (plugin) is a different matter
[04:52] <Bags> nikkia: Cool. Ok. I'll keep my eyes peeled for something that works. 
[04:53] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: yes, you can get the kubuntu patch and recompile
[04:53] <Bags> nikkia: In the meantime, I'll just put OSX on linux on my machine and put Tiger on there and use that when needed... Slow, but there... 
[04:53] <hyperactivecrond> so it's not built into kde apokryphos ?
[04:53] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: there's a link to it on bugs.kde.org; also digged somewhere on the kubuntu.org site...
[04:54] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: on kubuntu -- it is indeed. Not on other distros though, obviously
[04:54] <hyperactivecrond> somewhere i read on kde.org that it's a new feature of kdesu for 3.4.x
[04:56] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: no, it won't be like that by default in KDE, for sure; unless it's an option
[04:56] <hyperactivecrond> k
[04:56] <apokryphos> it will always be default in Kubuntu, though, most probably
[04:56] <apokryphos> in Kubuntu kde packs, that is.
[05:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wonder if i can convince my boss to buy me that P4D barebones kit i want to upgrade my PC :)
[05:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: without a doubt :P
[05:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: what exactly is it?
[05:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: a 3.0GHz P4D, 512MB of ram, motherboard, and case
[05:04] <apokryphos> oh, I see. Heh.
[05:04] <EasterSunshine> my clock at the corner of the screen is displaying "new york" wheras before, it would display the date. i think i know what timezone i am in, but i can't find the setting to not show it
[05:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: when are those other two arriving?
[05:05] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: set it to local timezone
[05:05] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: right click, select 'show timezone' select 'local timezone'
[05:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: no idea, hopefully next week, if he was telling the truth about ordering them
[05:05] <EasterSunshine> nikki, apokryphos: thx, that worked
[05:05] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: np
[05:07] <apokryphos> For anyone travelling, the respective "Lonely Planet" books are excellent to get. Perfect. :D
[05:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: i usually use stephen king books for plane rides
[05:08] <nikkia> but thats cos i can't normally sleep on planes
[05:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: hehe, no, those are for telling you about a city/region/country. A "travel guide" type book
[05:09] <apokryphos> hundreds of different ones. Got the one for Barcelona today; learning a lot.
[05:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah
[05:10] <apokryphos> learning about the foods and stuff so we don't ned up ordering fish and a burger :/
[05:11] <apokryphos> Though, I'm sure Wikipedia would've given some good info. This has a lot more info though, at least.
[05:12] <apokryphos> I reckon Debian will still be packaging 3.4 when 3.5 is out :|
[05:14] <nikkia> gah, editing this artwork is slow work
[05:28] <apokryphos> heh, almost forgot that breezy abandoned kcontrol. I've been still using it
[05:29] <pointwood> what is replacing it?
[05:30] <apokryphos> pointwood: another system settings tool
[05:30] <pointwood> k
[05:30] <apokryphos> I'll screeny :)
[05:30] <pointwood> why?
[05:30] <pointwood> cool
[05:32] <apokryphos> pointwood: http://youmortals.com/systemsettings.png
[05:32] <pointwood> that looks neat
[05:32] <apokryphos> pointwood: because kcontrol is actually really bad; tree-view isn't perfect; many innovations for it planned in kde 4
[05:32] <apokryphos> some want to trash it altogether, actually. :/
[05:33] <pointwood> yeah, read that
[05:33] <pointwood> and it is true, it is a mess
[05:33] <apokryphos> actually prefer this system settings; much cleaner; more easily accessible
[05:33] <pointwood> it certainly looks like it from that screenshot :)
[05:34] <pointwood> all the talk that's been about kde4, it sounds like it's going to really, really rock
[05:34] <apokryphos> Indeed :). It's gonna take some time, but things are looking really hopeful
[05:37] <pointwood> apokryphos: you know alot about multimedia? I got a couple of problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57881
[05:38] <apokryphos> I don't unfortunately. Just seems like amaroK is hogging the sound server there, so mplayer can't use it. Not sure actually for what mplayer uses as its sound output
[05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: by default, oss
[05:39] <apokryphos> you could either setup dmix, or change your sound engine for amaroK 
[05:39] <nikkia> you can use the -ao option to change it tho
[05:39] <pointwood> it seems to use alsa
[05:39] <pointwood> mplayer that is
[05:39] <apokryphos> pointwood: nikkia here is the expert =)
[05:40] <pointwood> cool :)
[05:42] <pointwood> well, kaffeine uses xine IIRC, amaroK uses arts and mplayer uses alsa
[05:42] <pointwood> I'm confused about all those different engines...
[05:45] <nikkia> pointwood: only xine is an engine, of those
[05:45] <pointwood> okay
[05:45] <nikkia> alsa is the sound drivers, arts is kde's sound server, and xine is a playback engine
[05:45] <nikkia> the distinction is important, because each level up you go, you get a few more options for audio output methods
[05:46] <nikkia> for example, usually, arts is configured to output via alsa, xine can be configured to output to alsa, or to arts
[05:46] <pointwood> I can see that in kaffeine in the xine config, audio is set to auto
[05:46] <nikkia> now, ideally, as a KDE user, you'd configure everything to go to arts, and arts to go to alsa
[05:46] <pointwood> k
[05:46] <nikkia> while that works, and tends to work great, it has the drawback that arts introduces some audio latency
[05:47] <pointwood> oh
[05:47] <nikkia> with xine, you can work around this, you take the value listed as the latency in kcontrol, and feed that number into xine's video/audio sync offset, and it'll play the audio that many mS earlier than the video
[05:48] <pointwood> okay, so it is actually a problem when you want to play a video clip?
[05:48] <nikkia> the latency? yes, it means that the audio will lag behind the video by that amount of time
[05:48] <nikkia> arts uses fairly large buffers by default, and i think the default latency is somewhere around 1/10th of a second, very noticable
[05:50] <pointwood> sound buffer: 232 milliseconds
[05:50] <nikkia> yeah, that's nearly 1/4 of a second
[05:50] <pointwood> okay then, what do you then recommend I do to get as optimal a setup as possible?
[05:50] <nikkia> so, if you configure xine to use arts, and don't change the arts buffers (bigger buffers == smoother playback, but at the price of latency), then you'll want to tell xine to offset its audio by -232mS
[05:51] <nikkia> pointwood: really, its very much trial and error, you COULD just tell xine to play by arts, and offset its audio by -232mS, and it'll work, and fairly well, i imagine, those are nice big buffers, so you shouldn't get too many audio artifacts
[05:52] <nikkia> pointwood: you will pay the price by a slight pause when you seek a video to some random position, while it starts the audio and fills the buffer, but personally, i consider seeking to random positions in video files so non-routine that its a reasonable price to pay
[05:52] <pointwood> yeah
[05:53] <nikkia> as i said, its trial and error, and depends a lot on your system and what you plan to do, really, you COULD lower art's buffers, but on a slower PC or a PC with a less than great soundchip, that might introduce artifacts
[05:53] <nikkia> and really, unless you need low-latency audio from arts, there's not much point
[05:54] <pointwood> well, kaffeine has worked resonable well, haven't noticed any artifacts 
[05:54] <pointwood> the big problem is really with mplayer
[05:54] <nikkia> my setup is a little different... i have alsa<-jack
[05:54] <nikkia> then on top of jack, i have my media players, and arts, but since xine can't play to jack properly, xine goes via arts, with a sync offset matching the combined arts + jack latency
[05:55] <nikkia> (effectively, just art's latency, because jack is set to be very low latency (< 4mS)
[05:55] <pointwood> and the fact that it doesn't work when amaroK is started
[05:55] <nikkia> pointwood: again, you can configure mplayer to play via arts
[05:55] <pointwood> trying that now :)
[05:55] <nikkia> i believe the output driver option is '-ao artsc' for mplayer
[05:55] <nikkia> and again, you'll want to configure a sync offset to compensate for arts, but i can't remember the command line for that (don't have mplayer installed atm), it should be in the man page
[05:56] <pointwood> k
[05:56] <nikkia> once you've found out the command line option, put that, and -ao artsc  in ~/.mplayer/config
[05:56] <_StarScream> is breezy useable yet?
[05:56] <nikkia> the format is simple, a command line pair per line, so -ao artsc on one line, and the sync compensation option on another
[05:56] <jpatrick> a bit
[05:57] <nikkia> personally, i like to put in a resize option using -xy  in there too
[05:57] <nikkia> so that mplayer always scales up smaller videos to that size
[05:57] <jpatrick> i can't use it :(
[05:57] <_StarScream> jpatrick: how much is broken ?
[05:57] <jpatrick> I dunno :-/
[05:57] <_StarScream> k
[05:58] <jpatrick> I can't use it because it's kernel doesn't see my wifi card
[05:58] <pointwood> could it be        -autosync <factor>
[05:58] <pointwood> "Gradually adjusts the A/V sync based on audio delay measurements. "
[05:58] <_StarScream> jpatrick: you can't re-compile it to have the module you require?
[05:59] <jpatrick> YEah
[05:59] <nikkia> pointwood: i'd be a little weary of the 'factor' in there, you really want something with an absolute time parameter
[05:59] <nikkia> since you KNOW your offset is -232mS
[05:59] <jpatrick> but it takes 7 hours for me to compile a kernel
[05:59] <nikkia> (well, -232mS assuming audio is the track you're controlling, if you're adjusting the video offset, its obviously going to be +232mS :)
[06:00] <jpatrick> :)
[06:00] <nikkia> i don't remember it even taking that long when i was on a 386-40 :)
[06:00] <pointwood> ahhh: -delay <sec>
[06:00] <pointwood>               Audio delay in seconds (positive or negative float value).
[06:00] <nikkia> pointwood: that's the one
[06:00] <nikkia> pointwood: since its in seconds, you want -0.232
[06:01] <jpatrick> Last time I compiled a kernel I got kernel panic :/
[06:01] <nikkia> jpatrick: thats because it needs a FPU :P
[06:01] <antrix> hi.. need some help configuring network on imac
[06:02] <antrix> lspci doesn't list any network cards
[06:02] <antrix> how do i 'dpkg-reconfigure' the network.. like from the install stage
[06:02] <jpatrick> FPU?
[06:03] <nikkia> antrix: its probably easier to just edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:03] <pointwood> hrm
[06:03] <nikkia> antrix: if its not detecting the network card though, i'm not sure what you can do
[06:03] <pointwood> Option -delay needs a parameter at line 2
[06:03] <pointwood> Option -ao needs a parameter at line 3
[06:03] <antrix> nikkia, i don't know what card this machine has
[06:03] <pointwood> I have: 
[06:03] <pointwood> -delay -0.232
[06:03] <pointwood> -ao artsc
[06:03] <nikkia> pointwood: try taking off the - from the start of each line
[06:04] <nikkia> i seem to remember mplayer assumes the option qualifier (-) when reading config
[06:04] <pointwood> already tried
[06:04] <pointwood> no change
[06:04] <tenco> hi all
[06:04] <nikkia> ah
[06:04] <_stef> hi
[06:04] <nikkia> pointwood: sorry, try 'delay=-0.232' and 'ao=artsc'
[06:05] <nikkia> mplayer's config wasn't as simple as i remembered :/
[06:05] <pointwood> I think I found it
[06:05] <antrix> what r u trying pointwood?
[06:05] <tenco> how can i add a trashcan to the desktop? i tried new->link-to-url and selected trash:/ but the icon doesnt change when i throw sth in the trashcan
[06:05] <_stef> hello tenco: are you located in germany? your address seems from t-online.
[06:06] <tenco> _stef: yes
[06:06] <nikkia> tenco, there should be a trash.desktop file in ~/Desktop
[06:06] <_stef> aha und wo kommst du her?
[06:06] <pointwood> antrix: getting mplayer to work while amarok is loaded
[06:06] <pointwood> but nikkia is great help
[06:06] <antrix> amarok working on arts backend or gstreamer backend?
[06:06] <pointwood> arts
[06:06] <pointwood> hrm
[06:06] <nikkia> tenco, edit that file, and change 'Hidden=true' to 'Hidden=false'
[06:07] <pointwood> mplayer gives me: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[06:07] <nikkia> pointwood: strange
[06:07] <antrix> pointwood, #mplayer -ao arts foo.avi
[06:07] <nikkia> pointwood: what does artsshell -q status  say ?
[06:08] <Bags2> Hello again. 
[06:08] <nikkia> pointwood: just the first line, if you want to paste it
[06:08] <pointwood> ahh...works now :)
[06:08] <Bags2> Can anyone please help me to diable my DHCP server in Kubuntu? 
[06:08] <pointwood> w00t w00t
[06:08] <pointwood> thanks a lot :)
[06:08] <nikkia> pointwood: arts tends to go to sleep, and sometimes some clients don't wake it up :/
[06:09] <Bags2> How do yo turn the damn thing off? 
[06:09] <Bags2> DHCP server? 
[06:09] <pointwood> server status: busy
[06:10] <tenco> nikkia: i can see it now in konqueror, but not on the desktop...
[06:10] <nikkia> tenco, you might need to restart kdesktop before it sees it
[06:10] <nikkia> tenco, easiest way to do that, is to log out then back in
[06:10] <Bags2> Oh, ok. 
[06:10] <Bags2> I've got it. 
[06:11] <tenco> nikkia: ok, i will try
[06:14] <jpatrick> how do I know which module I need?
[06:15] <_stef> ping: tenco
[06:15] <pointwood> nikkia: thx for the help, saved my day :)
[06:16] <nikkia> pointwood: np
[06:18] <jpatrick> :/
[06:26] <othernoob> hi, does anyone know of a program to convert .ape to .mp3?
[06:30] <nikkia> othernoob, i don't think you can do it in one step
[06:30] <nikkia> you'll have to decode .ape to .wav, then convert .wav to .mp3
[06:30] <nikkia> since .ape is lossless, its not like you lose any quality doing that, though
[06:31] <othernoob> that's fine. just want to get rid of .ape ;)
[06:32] <nikkia> othernoob: you'll have to find a copy of monkey's audio for kubuntu though, i don't know if its in any repository
[06:32] <nikkia> (no reason it shouldn't be, its not a restricted format, afaik)
[06:34] <othernoob> the platform isn't important :)
[06:51] <tenco> xpnoob: ?
[06:55] <CyberMad> do you know how to install xchm ?
[06:55] <CyberMad> because i already use aptitude
[06:55] <CyberMad> and there is   "c  xchm"
[06:55] <CyberMad> what is c mean?
[06:55] <CyberMad> corrupt?
[06:57] <nikkia> iirc, it means its downloaded, but not configured
[06:57] <nikkia> which usually means there was a failure when you tried to install it, at the configuration phase
[07:00] <CyberMad> yes,.. i can't install it
[07:05] <Almindor> my printer ignores print jobs when there's too much black in the page...
[07:05] <Almindor> is there any setting which manages this? it's really annoying
[07:15] <_tito> alguien sabe como averiguar la clave de su 
[07:15] <tenco> how can i enable underlining of strings like _this_ or _that_?
[07:16] <tenco> and bold printing of *bold* and *bla*?
[07:16] <tenco> in konversation
[07:16] <_tito> how can i know my su pasword?????
[07:17] <tenco> ?
[07:17] <tenco> the root account is disabled on (k)ubuntu
[07:17] <tenco> use sudo
[07:17] <tenco> with your accounts password
[07:17] <_tito> thanx
[07:19] <winnie> salut
[07:19] <winnie> peut-on parler francais ici ?
[07:20] <_tito> to use the apt-get i must be root
[07:20] <_tito> how can i do that
[07:20] <_tito> ?
[07:27] <apokryphos> _tito: prefix your commands with sudo
[07:27] <apokryphos> !root
[07:27] <ubotu> [root]  disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:27] <othernoob> mmh.. why does * not want to work when there are numbers involved..
[07:33] <_tito> Could not mount device.
[07:33] <_tito> The reported error was:
[07:33] <_tito> mount: no se puede encontrar /dev/hda5 en /etc/fstab o /etc/mtab
[07:53] <_matthew> howdy anyone here know much about nph cgi scripts?
[07:54] <boga> is it possible to have my cdroms auto-mounted? if so, how?
[07:54] <Tm_T> doh
[07:54] <Tm_T> automount :/
[07:55] <Tm_T> boga: does fstab say anything to you?
[07:55] <boga> Tm_T: yes, it only mentions the device (cdrom)
[07:55] <Tm_T> uhm, ok
[07:56] <boga> but I'd like the cdrom to be auto-mounted on insertion
[07:57] <Tm_T> does it have "user,ro,auto"  in <options> part?
[07:58] <boga> no...it has "noauto" is that what I have to change to "auto"?
[07:58] <Tm_T> uhm, no, that's not te pont, sorry
[07:58] <Tm_T> too much windows to me :/
[07:58] <Tm_T> no, keep tat noauto
[07:59] <Tm_T> uhm, it was amd daemon!
[07:59] <Tm_T> AutoMountDaemon, amd
[07:59] <Tm_T> got t?
[07:59] <boga> AutoMountDaemon? so is that an app to install?
[08:00] <Tm_T> yes, I think so =)
[08:01] <Tm_T> am-utils to be presice
[08:02] <Tm_T> just "sudo apt-get install am-utils"
[08:03] <Tm_T> I think that'll do it
[08:06] <KWizzard> hey, where I can get Ubuntu T-shirt? :D
[08:07] <pointwood> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[08:07] <umberleigh> where's grub.conf? i can't seem to find it
[08:07] <KWizzard> thx >D
[08:07] <Tm_T> umberleigh: somewere in /etc ?
[08:08] <Tm_T> pointwood: but where's kubuntu T-shirts?!
[08:08] <umberleigh> i've just moved from gentoo, where it was in /boot/grub/, but it's not there and find /etc/ -name grub.conf doesn't give any output
[08:08] <pointwood> dunno - he asked for ubuntu shirts :)
[08:09] <KWizzard> Kubuntu would be good too, but there are only white, I wanna black :D
[08:10] <taw> how do i install the polish language pack ? installer asked me if i wanted to download it, but the network wasn't configured at that point
[08:10] <Aapzak> good evening
[08:11] <KWizzard> taw, open kynaptic application, and download it
[08:14] <taw> download what ?
[08:15] <Tm_T> I might even buy one ubuntu mug =)
[08:16] <taw> the things called language-pack-pl and language-pack-pl-base are installed, but the msgs that were in polish in debian are in english, and accented characters are all misdisplayed
[08:18] <Tm_T> taw: ok, and what "locale" says?
[08:18] <taw>  locale
[08:18] <taw> LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8
[08:18] <taw> ...
[08:19] <taw> some shell utils seems to have polish text, but kde is all in english
[08:20] <KWizzard> so just change your locale setting in KDE Control Center
[08:20] <taw> but the display of accented characters is broken in shell
[08:21] <Tm_T> hum
[08:21] <taw> oh, it only lets me use "US English" 
[08:21] <xpnoob> is there a way to see what aps run on which port?
[08:22] <KWizzard> do you have KDE?
[08:22] <Tm_T> taw: install kde-language packs too =)
[08:22] <KWizzard> download kde-i18n-pl
[08:23] <Tm_T> I don't understand why US English is default
[08:23] <KWizzard> what should be default? Polish? :D
[08:24] <Tm_T> en_GB ofcourse
[08:24] <CyberMad> please help me, i can't install tightvnc server on my linux box
[08:24] <taw> KWizzard: the language chosen in the installer
[08:24] <KWizzard> oh, yes
[08:24] <CyberMad> where i install from aptitude and search for new package tightvnc-server
[08:25] <Tm_T> taw: too easy =)
[08:25] <CyberMad> there is letter c in front of tightvnc-server package and i press + but didn't effect anything
[08:26] <CyberMad> i try install from debian package and there is an error too
[08:26] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~/Backup$ vncserver
[08:26] <CyberMad> Couldn't start Xvnc; trying default font path.
[08:26] <CyberMad> Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script.
[08:26] <CyberMad> what
[08:26] <CyberMad> what's wrong is this?
[08:26] <other|pissed> mmh, why does * not work when there are numbers involved? for example lame -h -b 192 *.wav won't work (the wavs are 01-filename, 02-filename, 03-filename...)
[08:28] <Chewie> Hi
[08:29] <Chewie> Is anybody having trouble with the media:/ kioslave not detecting pendrives in breezy?
[08:31] <taw> still, why are the fonts screwed up ?
[08:36] <mornfall> so, what should i implement next? :-)
[08:36] <Tm_T> Chewie: breezy == unstable
[08:40] <mornfall> current state of affairs: http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[08:44] <martin-> Need some help: got an ATI all in wonder with TV functionality. i downloaded tvtime but now i need to choose the device somehow. Anyone knows what to do?
[08:52] <taw> where are the fonts for kubuntu ? packages for neither mstcorefonts nor xfonts-*-transcoded exist
[08:55] <xpnoob> i just installed squirrelmail with apt. how can i enable it for my webdirs?
[08:55] <xpnoob> it installs all files outside the www dir
[08:58] <_tito> how can I install rmp one
[08:58] <_tito> ?
[08:58] <xpnoob> alien -d foo.rpm ?
[08:58] <_tito> tkx
[08:58] <xpnoob> np
[09:00] <_tito> and then to install a dev file
[09:00] <_tito> ?
[09:00] <_tito> deb sorry
[09:01] <xpnoob> yea
[09:01] <xpnoob> dpkg -i bar.deb
[09:01] <_tito> thx
[09:12] <_tito> i installed lmule but i cant fintd it
[09:49] <mikonian> hi folks! how do i restart KDE?
[09:50] <mikonian> hullo?
[10:52] <taw> what music/movie players are there for kubuntu ?
[10:54] <pointwood> amarok or juk for music
[10:57] <claydoh> amarok!!!!!!!!
[10:58] <pointwood> we have a fan :p
[10:58] <claydoh> you betcha
[10:58] <pointwood> I like it too :)
[11:00] <claydoh> ok what s the good cd ripper?
[11:00] <taw> oh
[11:00] <taw> a lot of packages that i use on debian are not available from kubuntu repositories
[11:01] <taw> like mc, mutt, or mplayer
[11:01] <taw> or anything ruby-devel-related
[11:01] <pointwood> kAudioCreator
[11:01] <pointwood> you need to add universe
[11:02] <taw> is it anything more nontrivial than a recompile ?
[11:02] <pointwood> check the ubuntuguide
[11:02] <pointwood> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:04] <taw> ouch, no libnet-irc-perl
[11:06] <pointwood> again, add the extra repositories and I bet it's there
[11:07] <claydoh> it is :)
[11:07] <taw> oh
[11:07] <gsuveg> re
[11:07] <gsuveg> how can i add new wm into kdm ?
[11:07] <gsuveg> where ?
[11:12] <_franz> Hello
[11:12] <_franz> How are you every body
[11:13] <_franz> Hy Peter
[11:13] <_franz> HI sorry
[11:14] <_peter> helo
[11:14] <_franz> How are you?
[11:14] <_peter> good
[11:14] <_franz> French?
[11:15] <_peter> no
[11:15] <_peter> sry
[11:15] <_peter> have to go :/
[11:15] <_franz> no it's ok of course
[11:15] <pointwood> iSleep
[11:15] <_peter> cya
[11:15] <_franz> i am not french
[11:15] <bz0b> can someone help me really quick?
[11:15] <_franz> bz0b:  yes?
[11:16] <_franz> what can i help you if i could
[11:16] <bz0b> im trying to install my wirelesss driver
[11:16] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install
[11:16] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined.  Stop.
[11:16] <bz0b> i get that errr
[11:16] <gsuveg> bz0b: have you installed the kernel src ?
[11:16] <bz0b> huh?
[11:16] <bz0b> nope
[11:16] <bz0b> apt-get right?
[11:16] <_franz> i have no problem with my centrino 
[11:16] <bz0b> do i need to apt-get something?
[11:17] <gsuveg> yepp
[11:17] <_franz> witch brand is your card?
[11:17] <bz0b> its a dlink dwl g639
[11:17] <bz0b> its a dlink dwl g630* revision 2
[11:17] <bz0b> its a dlink dwl g630* revision c*
[11:17] <_franz> dlink has no driver fr linux?
[11:18] <bz0b> not sure do they?
[11:18] <bz0b> let me look at their site
[11:18] <_franz> ubuntu detect me my dlink router
[11:18] <_franz> (i can speak french if you are french )
[11:19] <bz0b> je ne parle francais :-)
[11:19] <gsuveg> pardon?
[11:19] <bz0b> Je ne parle francais
[11:20] <gsuveg> _franz: how can i add new wm into kdm ?
[11:20] <bz0b> Je suis d'American
[11:20] <_franz> new wm?
[11:20] <gsuveg> bz0b: beszeljunk inkabb magyarul.
[11:20] <_franz> bz0b:  ok je suis Canadien lol
[11:20] <gsuveg> _franz: windowmanager 
[11:20] <bz0b> I barely no french
[11:21] <bz0b> I took a class on it for 1 1/2 year
[11:21] <_franz> oki we speak our language 
[11:21] <gsuveg> _franz: i need put icewm into kdm, but i dont find it
[11:21] <_franz> i was born in France
[11:21] <bz0b> i see
[11:21] <_franz> I have double Nationality
[11:21] <_franz> gsuveg:  you did'nt find with apt?
[11:22] <_franz> Synaptic
[11:22] <_franz> i download some codec 
[11:22] <gsuveg> _franz: i need fresh from src
[11:22] <_franz> but i am really new in linux so i don't now all things
[11:23] <bz0b> so can someone help me? or are we going to sit around and talk about what other languages we  can speak?
[11:23] <gsuveg> bz0b: install the kernel source
[11:23] <bz0b> what is the apt-get for it?
[11:23] <gsuveg> and maybe you need recompile whole kernel ;)
[11:23] <_franz> sorry bz0b  i don't now 
[11:24] <bz0b> is it linux-source-2.6.10
[11:24] <bz0b> ?
[11:24] <gsuveg> apt-linux-source-2.6.10
[11:24] <gsuveg> ye
[11:24] <bz0b> ok
[11:24] <bz0b> i am doing that now
[11:25] <bz0b> thank you guys
[11:25] <bz0b> I was about to ndiswrapper
[11:25] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it.  I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in.  What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu?
[11:26] <BTJustice> I type alsamixer and nothing comes up
[11:27] <_franz> Sound and linux is always a problem, skype doesn't work in my computer because he doesn't found ma sound cart
[11:27] <bz0b> im still getting the error root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install
[11:27] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined.  Stop.
[11:27] <gsuveg> have you installed the kernel src ?
[11:27] <bz0b> yes
[11:28] <gsuveg> how look the /usr/src ?
[11:28] <bz0b> huh?
[11:28] <gsuveg> ls -l /usr/src
[11:28] <bz0b> oh
[11:28] <bz0b> i see
[11:29] <bz0b> it only gets the source
[11:29] <bz0b> i have to install it?
[11:29] <gsuveg> untar ?
[11:29] <bz0b> ys
[11:29] <bz0b> i am doing it now
[11:29] <bz0b> ok
[11:29] <bz0b> after i untar it do i have to install anything too?
[11:30] <gsuveg> hmm
[11:30] <bz0b> omg how big is this kernel source it is taking forever to unpack
[11:30] <gsuveg> maybe a symlink
[11:30] <bz0b> ok done
[11:30] <gsuveg> how look the /usr/src ?
[11:30] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src# ls
[11:30] <bz0b> linux-source-2.6.10          madwifi-cvs-20050814.patch
[11:30] <bz0b> linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2  madwifi-cvs-20050814.tgz
[11:30] <bz0b> madwifi-cvs-20050814         rpm
[11:30] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src#      
[11:31] <_franz> bye bye everybody
[11:31] <bz0b> ok gsuveg so?
[11:32] <gsuveg> ln -s linux-source-2.6.10  linux
[11:32] <gsuveg> in usr/src
[11:32] <bz0b> ok
[11:32] <bz0b> done?
[11:33] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install
[11:33] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:122: *** KERNELCONF: /usr/src/linux/.config does not exist..  Stop.
[11:33] <bz0b> new error
[11:34] <gsuveg> yes :)
[11:34] <gsuveg> go into linux dir
[11:34] <gsuveg> make menuconfig
[11:34] <gsuveg> hmm.
[11:34] <bz0b> where is the linu dir
[11:34] <bz0b> linux*
[11:35] <gsuveg> ./usr/src/linux
[11:35] <bz0b> ok
[11:37] <bz0b>  ok
[11:37] <bz0b> i am in the menuconfig thing
[11:37] <bz0b> its like this blue thing poped up
[11:37] <bz0b> what do i do here?
[11:37] <gsuveg> yes
[11:37] <gsuveg> this is the prob
[11:37] <bz0b> huh?
[11:38] <gsuveg> i dont know tthe default kernel config of ubuntu
[11:38] <gsuveg> i dont know kernel config/install ?
[11:38] <bz0b> oh
[11:38] <bz0b> umm
[11:39] <bz0b> shit
[11:39] <bz0b> any ideas
[11:39] <bz0b> should i go to #ubuntu?
[11:39] <gsuveg> go
[11:45] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it.  I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in.  What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu?
[11:45] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error:  device /dev/dsp can't be opened.
[11:47] <sobersabre> hello... is there a ready amarok 1.3 package for hoary ?
[11:47] <bz0b> gsuveg, ok i saved the new configurations
[11:48] <gsuveg> k
[11:48] <gsuveg> go into module dir
[11:48] <gsuveg> and test ;)
[11:50] <bz0b> wow so many erros
[11:54] <roguejedix_> Quake 3: Arena Source has been GPL'ed
[11:54] <JeffAMcGee> Is there a way to make konversation not say "joe has joined this channel" or "joe has left this server"?
[11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Think so
[11:55] <gdh> yep
[11:55] <gdh> prefs - behavious -= chat window - 'hide join/part...'
[11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right
[11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I really should learn to type faster
[11:57] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it.  I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in.  What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu?
[11:57] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error:  device /dev/dsp can't be opened.
[11:57] <BTJustice> alsamixer brings up nothing
[12:02] <JeffAMcGee> gdh: thanks
[12:02] <gdh> =)