[12:30] <marcin> hi all
[12:30] <marcin> anyone?
[12:30] <crimsun> hi
[12:30] <marcin> I need some help with emacs packages
[12:30] <marcin> crimsun: hi
[12:30] <crimsun> I think I'll run away screaming now.
[12:31] <marcin> crimsun: hehe :)
[12:31] <marcin> crimsun: you don't like emacs? why oh why ;)
[12:33] <marcin> heh and he propably is far far away now... no way to ask
[01:03] <crimsun> wtf, did I add gstreamer0.8-plugins as a B-D?
[01:03] <crimsun> duh!
[02:35] <bmonty> good evening everyone
[02:44] <rbelem> bmonty, good evening ,-)
[02:45] <bmonty> seems pretty quiet in here :)
[02:53] <rbelem> today is friday... i think the people are a bit tired... hehehe
[08:44] <pef> hello
[08:47] <pef> where can I find the official documentation about the path of desktop files ? (/usr/share/applications instead of /usr/share/applnk)
[08:54] <\sh> morning
[08:58] <pef> \sh: morning
[09:07] <siretart> morning
[10:40] <crimsun> hmm.
[10:40] <crimsun> ?? -> mozilla-dev: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.11-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:08] <siretart> yay!
[11:08] <siretart> finally a working lyx!
[11:09] <siretart> bob2 promised to upload a new lyx version to sid today, I'm using a package from Georg Baum, lyx upstream
[11:31] <Yagisan> siretart: ping
[11:34] <pef> siretart: have you check kile ? ;)
[11:39] <siretart> pef: I had a short look at kile, I prefer lyx
[11:39] <siretart> pef: in my department, a lot of ppl are using lyx
[11:39] <siretart> Yagisan: pong
[11:41] <Yagisan> siretart: did one of my uploads get nuked ?
[11:41] <Yagisan> siretart: according to dput, it went up yesterday, but I don't see it tooday
[11:42] <Yagisan> siretart: package was deng-jheretic-tp
[11:42] <siretart> I have deng-jheretic-tp in rejected queue
[11:43] <siretart> because it was signed with a key not in revu keyring
[11:43] <Yagisan> should I reupload ?
[11:43] <Yagisan> that's funny, my key is there
[11:43] <siretart> did you use a different key?
[11:43] <siretart> shall I add 4B6E7209, too?
[11:43] <Yagisan> no
[11:43] <siretart> strange..
[11:44] <Yagisan> that's my number
[11:44] <siretart> strange..
[11:44] <Yagisan> I had an old key, but that sadly is no longer with us
[11:45] <siretart> I requeued your upload
[11:45] <siretart> ok, your upload is now in revu
[11:45] <Yagisan> thank you. There should only be one or two more new uploads to go
[11:46] <Yagisan> then I'm finished with what I am sending to revu
[11:46] <Yagisan> It's odd my key was rejected
[11:46] <siretart> I think they are very similar to packages you already uploaded, yes?
[11:47] <Yagisan> basicall a hexen version of whats been uploaded
[11:47] <Yagisan> upstream did a new release yesterday
[11:47] <Yagisan> so I need to test, and adjust as required
[11:47] <Yagisan> mayby delete obsolete packages
[11:49] <Yagisan> I feel silly, but when I try to login to revu, it says invalid password
[11:49] <siretart> Yagisan: try the recover password link\
[11:49] <Yagisan> I did
[11:49] <siretart> still bad?
[11:49] <Yagisan> decrypted fine
[11:49] <Yagisan> yes
[11:49] <Yagisan> Do I need to be a reviewer to comment on my packages
[11:49] <Yagisan> ?
[11:52] <siretart> Yagisan: you need reviewer status for commenting other packages
[11:52] <siretart> whats your email again?
[11:52] <Yagisan> jamie_jones_au@yahoo.com.au
[11:53] <siretart> argl
[11:53] <siretart> it's because of the '_' in your email, wait. I'll fix that
[11:54] <Yagisan> :)
[11:55] <siretart> Yagisan: now your password works. was a bug in revu
[11:56] <Yagisan> thanks siretart.
[12:17] <n> I've just tried the latest opensuse beta and I'm very impressed with its 'Suspend to disk' shutdown/boot feature which has halved my boot time. Will breezy implement this too?
[12:19] <tseng> it already does.
[12:19] <n> tseng: colony 3 does that?
[12:19] <tseng> yes.
[12:20] <n> Last breezy beta I tried was very unstable- whats c3 like? Useable?
[12:20] <tseng> works for me, your mileage may vary, etc
[12:20] <tseng> its much improved
[12:21] <n> Does suspend to disk work under KDE, GNOME or both?
[12:21] <tseng> suspend to disk is in the kernel
[12:21] <n> (under colony 3)
[12:21] <\sh> n: both
[12:21] <\sh> n: it worked as well on hoary on some laptops
[12:22] <n> right, I'll have to give it a go then!
[12:59] <ivoks> hi
[01:01] <\sh> hey ivoks
[01:01] <ivoks> what's up?
[01:02] <\sh> how's life?
[01:02] <ivoks> heh... great :)
[01:02] <Nafallo> I got stuck with my head in the rabbitcage :-/
[01:03] <ivoks> i met one girl while on vacation :)
[01:03] <\sh> ivoks: only one?
[01:03] <ivoks> ok, i met couple of them...
[01:03] <ivoks> but this one... huh... i'm in love :)
[01:03] <\sh> hehe
[01:03] <ivoks> but she's 400km from me :(
[01:04] <\sh> ivoks: east or west?
[01:04] <ivoks> southwest :)
[01:04] <\sh> italy?
[01:04] <\sh> turkey?
[01:04] <\sh> come on...tell us...
[01:04] <ivoks> croatia, you silly boy
[01:04] <ivoks> there is no girl like croatian girl :)
[01:05] <\sh> that I said to my ZA-indian girl as well
[01:05] <ivoks> i see you never were in croatia :)
[01:06] <Treenaks> ivoks: I see you've never been to Scandinavia :P
[01:06] <ivoks> Treenaks: :)) i have expirience with them :)
[01:06] <ivoks> Treenaks: i don't prefere blond girls :)
[01:07] <ivoks> lot's of swedes were in croatia this summer
[01:07] <ivoks> and they brought their kids... female kids :)
[01:08] <Treenaks> dudes, this is #ubuntu-motu, not #ubuntu-mate
[01:08] <\sh> ahhaha
[01:08] <ivoks> :)
[01:08] <Treenaks> (in the non-Australian sense of that word :))
[01:08] <Nafallo> those are Swedes to ;-)
[01:08] <ivoks> Nafallo: yeah :)
[01:08] <\sh> we have a discussion about logging of the #ubuntu-de channel...because some people doesn't like the way, the logfiles are published via web
[01:08] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/mys.jpg is picture proof of that ;-)
[01:09] <Nafallo> \sh: we have that issue on #ubuntu.se to.
[01:09] <\sh> they're frightend that anybody can read their words...and this is sometimes ah well...not positive for them ,-)
[01:09] <Nafallo> \sh: we just tell them to add it to the agenda for next meeting ;-)
[01:10] <Treenaks> ok.. expect no more useful work from ivoks until breezy+1 release at least ;)
[01:10] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[01:10] <\sh> hahaha
[01:11] <ivoks> and there is no ADSL :)
[01:11] <\sh> oh sh*t i have to hang my clothes
[01:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: then it's dep-wait: adsl :-)
[01:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: tell the girl that to ;-)
[01:13] <ivoks> Nafallo: who is this? :)
[01:13] <ivoks> ok, i see i have to show you pictures of croatian girls :)
[01:13] <Nafallo> ivoks: on the picture? :-)
[01:13] <ivoks> Nafallo: yeah :)
[01:13] <Treenaks> Nafallo: your link is slow btw (re: your picture :)
[01:14] <Nafallo> ivoks: me and my girlfriend since soon three years :-)
[01:14] <Nafallo> ivoks: re: swedish girls ;-)
[01:14] <Nafallo> Treenaks: no shit :-P 430kbit in/out :-)
[01:14] <ivoks> lol non-blond scandinavian
[01:14] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I thought Sweden was Bandwidth Paradise
[01:15] <Nafallo> Treenaks: not for everyone :-/
[01:15] <Nafallo> Treenaks: my KC can do 8Mbit with best effort, they only sell 2Mbit max for it.
[01:15] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL2+ if I want
[01:16] <Nafallo> Treenaks: baah :-P
[01:16] <Treenaks> (I'll probably get 10/1, but whatever)
[01:16] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I'm now on 2/1 though
[01:16] <Nafallo> I usually prefer symmetric ADSL though ;-)
[01:17] <Nafallo> and this ISP is great, like: do what you want, we won't block no ports.
[01:17] <Treenaks> Nafallo: SDSL, they only sell up to 2.3/2.3mbit here
[01:17] <Treenaks> for massive amounts of money/month
[01:17] <Nafallo> Treenaks: it is ADSL, but shaped to 512/512kbit by them and 430/430kbit by me ;-).
[01:17] <Treenaks> why 430 by you?
[01:18] <Treenaks> so you always have 82kbit spare/
[01:18] <Treenaks> ?
[01:18] <Nafallo> the damn PPPoE will drop on >= 440kbit
[01:18] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:18] <Treenaks> Nafallo: ah, then I have a better deal :)
[01:18] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:18] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I get pure ethernet (DHCP)
[01:18] <Treenaks> no additional wrapping
[01:19] <Treenaks> and soon I'll even get native ipv6 \o/
[01:20] <ivoks> ok, i'll upload some photos for you :)
[01:20] <Nafallo> only one ISP in Sweden does that to my knowledge, and that's the one that belonged to the state earlier. they really, really, really, really does suck a lot :-). my father had them when I lived at my parents.
[01:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: www.xs4all.nl :)
[01:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: should be understandable for Swedes :)
[01:20] <Nafallo> baah, I need .se ;-)
[01:20] <Nafallo> atleast to change to them ;-)
[01:21] <Treenaks> Nafallo: they offer dialup accounts
[01:21] <Treenaks> Nafallo: ;)
[01:21] <Nafallo> baah
[01:22] <Nafallo> hmm, maybe the eight torrents I have running explains why it's a bit slow atm ;-)
[01:22] <Treenaks> :P
[01:24] <Nafallo> btw, I have a project from someone ;-)
[01:24] <Nafallo> convert torrentflux from php to python ;-)
[01:36] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img009.jpeg
[01:36] <Nafallo> I prefer bigger boobs ;-)
[01:37] <ivoks> :)
[01:37] <ivoks> i'm still uploading photos :)
[01:38] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img001.jpeg.html - mom from chezh :)
[01:40] <Lathiat> haha ivoks
[01:42] <\sh> ivoks: damnit...u r making me horny ,-)
[01:42] <ivoks> :)
[01:42] <\sh> em...your pictures
[01:42] <\sh> lol
[01:42] <ivoks> i? :))
[01:42] <\sh> ivoks: the girls
[01:42] <ivoks> hehe
[01:42] <\sh> damn..I should write
[01:43] <ivoks> best photos are still to be uploaded :)
[01:44] <ivoks> those from night life :)
[01:44] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:44] <pef> I have a problem with the path of a desktop file
[01:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: cute cats :-)
[01:45] <ivoks> yeah...
[01:45] <pef> what's the status of /usr/share/applnk ? is it needed by something ?
[01:45] <\sh> sometimes from kde
[01:46] <ivoks> gthumb is great app :)
[01:46] <Lathiat> wtf i just X forwarded soemthing off another box
[01:46] <Nafallo> indeed
[01:46] <Lathiat> and all the pixmaps are messed up
[01:46] <Lathiat> anyway that could be breezys fault?
[01:47] <Lathiat> hrm worked for the gimp, eog must be broken
[01:53] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img056.jpeg.html
[01:55] <ivoks> \sh: check out that girl with black hair :) http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img065.jpeg.html
[01:56] <\sh> ivoks: go away ,-)
[01:56] <Nafallo> looks Swedish ;-)
[01:56] <ivoks> lol
[01:56] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:56] <\sh> hey sistpoty
[01:56] <ivoks> hello
[01:56] <Nafallo> morning sistpoty :-)
[01:56] <ivoks> Nafallo: there is nothing swedish in her :)
[01:57] <Nafallo> ivoks: except the looks ;-)
[01:57] <ivoks> hm, i'll upload them again, but without resizing :)
[01:57] <ivoks> Nafallo: nope :)
[01:57] <ivoks> this blond one... she's obviusly from chech republic or poland :)
[02:01] <Nafallo> to me, any of those girls could have been from Sweden ;-)
[02:01] <ivoks> :))
[02:01] <Nafallo> hmm, maybe I should make \sh drool ;-)
[02:01] <Nafallo> \sh: http://www.heartland.nu/~nafallo/elin/
[02:01] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:02] <\sh> did I say, I'm single?
[02:02] <\sh> and did I say, that I had no *** for over 1 year now?
[02:03] <ivoks> :))
[02:03] <Nafallo> \sh: nope ;-) (some of this I knew anyway)
[02:03] <\sh> I think I have to catch one of those brasilian chicks walking on the streets in kerpen now
[02:03] <ivoks> \sh: go on vacation :)
[02:03] <\sh> and give them the spirit of god ,-)
[02:03] <\sh> lol
[02:03] <ivoks> i'm sure you'll get laid in croatia :)
[02:03] <\sh> Nafallo: nice one...:) btw.
[02:04] <Nafallo> \sh: one of my best friends :-)
[02:04] <\sh> ivoks: I don't want :)
[02:04] <ivoks> :>
[02:04] <\sh> ivoks: I'm waiting for my girl :) u see..I'm older and I don't want to do mistakes anymore :)
[02:05] <ivoks> \sh: listen...
[02:05] <ivoks> i didn't want anything seriuos this summer
[02:05] <\sh> so..no *** without a marriage
[02:06] <ivoks> but after 2-3 days haning out with this girl, i realized she's great :)
[02:06] <ivoks> and we started with a "hi" "hi" "let's have ***"
[02:06] <ivoks> so... you never know...
[02:07] <\sh> oh well...I'm refusing to think about those actions..;)
[02:07] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img095.jpeg.small.jpeg
[02:07] <ivoks> well, guys... this is me :)
[02:07] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img089.jpeg.html
[02:07] <ivoks> the one in the shirt :)
[02:08] <\sh> both are nice ;)
[02:08] <ivoks> lol
[02:08] <siretart> hehe
[02:08] <siretart> hi ivoks!
[02:08] <ivoks> both are straight :)
[02:08] <ivoks> siretart: hi
[02:09] <\sh> ivoks: u should think about going both ways *rotfl*
[02:09] <ivoks> :))
[02:09] <ivoks> no, i'm fine with 3vs1 (where 1 is one man) :)
[02:09] <\sh> now we're completly OT
[02:09] <ivoks> \sh: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img096.jpeg.html - drool :)
[02:10] <\sh> ah come one
[02:10] <ivoks> we aren't offtopic
[02:10] <Nafallo> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img102.jpeg.html :-)
[02:11] <ivoks> this pictures are uploaded with ubuntu, and web album is created with gthumb :)
[02:11] <Nafallo> ivoks: is there another way to do it? :-)
[02:11] <sistpoty> cya later
[02:12] <ivoks> finally my modem works too :)
[02:12] <ivoks> lspci told me it's smartlink, so i got my self smartlink drivers
[02:12] <ivoks> and, as i said, everything worked, but ATDT and ATDP
[02:12] <ivoks> now... i tried lspci -vvv
[02:13] <ivoks> and check out that crap - it's conexant :)
[02:13] <Nafallo> ivoks: you can package those i386/amd64 drivers for us :-)
[02:13] <ivoks> Nafallo: i use conexant drivers now
[02:14] <Nafallo> hmm, oki
[02:14] <ivoks> acctually, i install them when i need, and deinstall them after - i get kernel panic with that module loaded
[02:15] <\sh> it's bad, that my quickcam is not working on linux
[02:16] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img114.jpeg.html
[02:25] <siretart> Mez: ping
[02:27] <siretart> Mez: if you are at it, can you please make proftpd backported?
[02:27] <siretart> Mez: there are some security issues fixed in the version in breezy, we had yesterday someone concerned about this
[02:27] <siretart> ok, now back to prepare-party-mode..
[02:48] <\sh> going to sleep at least 2 hours more...laters
[02:48] <Treenaks> I have a much beetter pic of Andrew! http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-08%20Ubuntu%20Conference/?img_0001.jpg ;)
[02:48] <Treenaks> (re: planet ubuntu)
[03:43] <tseng> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=414&slide=8
[03:43] <tseng> im reminded of how ugly this start page is
[03:43] <tseng> is someone hacking a new one?
[03:57] <sedak> hello motus !
[03:57] <sedak> anyone interested in reviewing my package ?
[03:57] <sedak> it'll be much fun ...
[03:57] <sedak> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=441
[03:58] <dsas> can someone let me know the approximate final date for having a package included in breezy?
[03:58] <sedak> it's a kernel driver, so it'll be better if you had the device
[03:58] <sedak> no idea
[07:25] <alisher> hallo, I have a question, is there any possibility to get Gajim jabber client into Universe?
[07:25] <alisher> there is already the package in the debian repositories
[07:25] <alisher> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gajim
[07:29] <\sh> alisher: did u read the debian bts?
[07:29] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gajim
[07:33] <hubW> perhaps someone should volunteer to fix it
[07:33] <hubW> like alisher :-)
[07:34] <tseng> it looks pretty nice
[07:34] <\sh> yes..
[07:34] <\sh> I tried it the last time.
[07:34] <\sh> it build nicely...but running no
[07:35] <\sh> tseng: u fixed the amd64/ppc ftbfs  as well for mythtv? ,-)
[07:35] <tseng> no
[07:35] <tseng> i have no ppc nor amd64
[07:36] <\sh> tseng: i tried 0.18.1 it ftbfs at the same line on amd64
[07:36] <\sh> tseng: but mdz told me, that upstream has a amd64 now, and the issues will go in a while ,-)
[07:37] <tseng> ok
[07:37] <tseng> i wonder if mdz will work on the plugins
[07:37] <\sh> why? we will do it ,-)
[07:37] <\sh> it's universe ,-)
[07:37] <tseng> its a new upstream release
[07:37] <tseng> and needs to be completely repackaged
[07:38] <tseng> he is the maintainer
[07:38] <\sh> tseng: not now...for breezy+1 eventually
[07:38] <tseng> well then the plugins wont work
[07:38] <tseng> in breezy
[07:38] <\sh> for i386?
[07:38] <tseng> for anyone
[07:38] <tseng> they are for 0.17
[07:38] <\sh> i386 mythtv wrks
[07:38] <\sh> args
[07:39] <tseng> 0.18 makes all the plugins one source package
[07:39] <tseng> needs to be repacked
[07:39] <tseng> and remove all the old sources
[07:40] <tseng> the ppc log is nice
[07:40] <tseng> {standard input}:3378: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `emms'
[07:40] <tseng> i wonder how it managed that
[07:40] <\sh> yeah...and amd64 is much nicer
[07:41] <tseng> oh its using ccache still too
[07:41] <\sh> it's correct
[07:41] <\sh> and it's ok
[07:41] <tseng> {standard input}:15149: Error: bad register name `%'
[07:41] <tseng> ooh.
[07:41] <tseng> shiny.
[07:42] <\sh> and for 0.18.1 the same error
[07:42] <tseng> so this thing is full of x86 assembly?
[07:42] <tseng> or something
[07:43] <\sh> sure
[07:43] <\sh> libavcodec
[08:39] <\sh> Nafallo: pingeling
[08:41] <\sh> hmmm..does anybody has problems with firefox after libcairo2 update?
[08:41] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13881
[08:47] <\sh> gajim is running on breezy
[09:07] <sedak> no problem with firefox+new libcairo2
[09:07] <\sh> hmmm
[09:08] <\sh> which version? i have 1.0.6-1ubuntu7
[09:08] <Nafallo> \sh: yes honey? :-)
[09:09] <\sh> Nafallo: do some mockups for a good shtoom gnome frontend pls ,-)
[09:09] <Nafallo> \sh: dude. feature freeze ;-)
[09:09] <sedak> 1.0.6-1ubuntu7 too
[09:11] <\sh> Nafallo: for breezy+
[09:11] <\sh> 1
[09:12] <Nafallo> sure, but not now :-). have to clean up in here + rabbit's cage
[09:12] <Nafallo> and that probably means bbl as well ;-)
[09:13] <\sh> Nafallo: and join #shtoom :) lowtraffic, but quit interessting ,-)
[09:14] <\sh> Nafallo: we will rock
[09:46] <comadreja> hey \sh
[10:13] <JanC> \sh, when is gajim going to be available in breezy?
[10:15] <\sh> I just repackaged 0.8 and have to adjust some things
[10:15] <\sh> debian has 0.7*
[10:15] <\sh> and 0.8 is much better
[10:17] <\sh> and it's a good start for a combination of jabber and SIP
[10:18] <JanC> how does it use SIP ?
[10:19] <\sh> JanC: via shtoom integration...
[10:19] <\sh> I  want to have a client which is capable of sharing the roster
[10:19] <\sh> SIP Express Router can handle this as well...
[10:19] <JanC> oh, nice, even if I don't have a headset or microphone  :)
[10:20] <\sh> JanC: SER has a jabber module..so u can use the SIP contact as jabber contact
[10:20] <\sh> (the SIP server needs to have a jabber installed as well)
[10:25] <JanC> uhu, I read "SIMPLE2Jabber gateway" on their homepage
[10:25] <\sh> yepp
[10:25] <JanC> SIMPLE is the SIP based IM protocol IBM uses IIRC ?
[10:25] <\sh> no
[10:26] <\sh> SIMPLE is the standard of aim/irc
[10:26] <\sh> s/irc/icq/
[10:26] <JanC> I thought that was "OSCAR" ?
[10:26] <\sh> it's also called simple ;)
[10:26] <\sh> or yahoo or whatever
[10:26] <\sh> doesn't interessed me ;)
[10:29] <\sh> http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=93&page=2
[10:29] <\sh> 3
[10:29] <\sh> grmpf
[10:30] <JanC> so Microsoft is going to use SIMPLE ?
[10:30] <\sh> something like this
[10:31] <\sh> and SIP is using it
[10:31] <JanC> ah, and like I thought: IBM Lotus Sametime supports SIMPLE  :)
[10:34] <\sh> but IBM supports as well jabber
[10:40] <JanC> typical for IBM  :)
[10:41] <JanC> they also support Windows & Linux & AIX & ...
[10:56] <hub> JanC: they don't support linux. you can't buy a laptop without Windows
[10:56] <hub> JanC: so that's bullshit they support linux
[10:56] <JanC> ibm doesn't sell laptops...
[10:56] <JanC> (anymore)
[10:56] <hub> they do
[10:56] <hub> they still do
[10:56] <hub> they also sell Notes
[10:56] <hub> it does not have a Linux client
[10:57] <hub> whatever quality or lack thereof the product has
[10:57] <JanC> and they don't have a windows version of "ibm web server"
[10:57] <hub> http://www-131.ibm.com/content/home/store_LNV_PublicUSA/en_US/ad.html
[10:57] <JanC> (which is based on apache btw)
[10:57] <hub> and they don't sell laptops ?
[10:58] <JanC> ibm laptops are now sold by lenovo, who can use the ibm brand name for some years...
[11:13] <Yagisan> G'day All