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[02:35] <Marky> is there a biology program included in edubuntu ?
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[08:14] <mhz> is image 21 working?
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[10:06] <bz0b> hello all
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[11:12] <mhz_food> ogra: ping?
[11:12] <ogra> mhz_food, pong
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[11:13] <mhz> :)
[11:13] <mhz> how is your energy these days, Mr. developer?
[11:13] <bz0b> hey guys
[11:13] <ogra> like sunday :)
[11:14] <bz0b> easy like sunday mornin'
[11:14] <mhz> hey bz0b 
[11:14] <ogra> heh
[11:14] <mhz> :)
[11:14] <bz0b> ;_
[11:14] <bz0b> so
[11:14] <bz0b> you guys all use edubuntu i presume?
[11:14] <mhz> ogra: is it worth to downlad image 21
[11:14] <mhz> ?
[11:14] <mhz> bz0b: nop, not yet
[11:14] <mhz> I use Ubuntu
[11:14] <bz0b> oh
[11:14] <bz0b> I ran it on my laptop and it was really laggy
[11:15] <bz0b> but kubuntu wasent
[11:15] <bz0b> weird
[11:15] <mhz> ubuntu and kubuntu should be the same
[11:15] <mhz> only diff desktop
[11:15] <mhz> it's like I say FluxBuntu :D
[11:15] <mhz> or XFCEBuntu
[11:15] <bz0b> Is there XFCEBuntu?
[11:16] <bz0b> OMG!
[11:16] <bz0b> hehe
[11:16] <bz0b> jk
[11:16] <ogra> mhz, you can see it in the report.html file ... if edubuntu-server/-desktop are installable , its fine... but we had a libcairo transition the last days, i doubt thats already done
[11:16] <mhz> however, I do say it may vary some dependencies and libs
[11:16] <bz0b> hmm
[11:16] <bz0b> if I install ubuntu in server mode
[11:16] <bz0b> what does it install?
[11:16] <ogra> only a base system
[11:16] <bz0b> that was I can choose just the packages I want
[11:17] <mhz> yep, that's the idea
[11:17] <ogra> you can install what you want on top
[11:17] <bz0b> does it come with anypackages
[11:17] <bz0b> like wget or anything?
[11:17] <mhz> it should take longer, that's it
[11:17] <mhz> nop
[11:17] <mhz> you can use
[11:17] <mhz> APT
[11:17] <ogra> :)
[11:17] <mhz> like this:
[11:17] <bz0b> yay
[11:17] <bz0b> it has apt-get then right?
[11:17] <mhz> apt-get install x-window-system xfce4
[11:18] <bz0b> alright good
[11:18] <mhz> plus you specify all the other packages you may need
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[11:18] <mhz> just keep in mind it will take longer, lot longer
[11:19] <bz0b> oh i know
[11:19] <bz0b> like whenever it requires a lib or something i will need to apt-get it
[11:19] <mhz> alos, you may also want to install 'default' and then just apt-get your desktop
[11:19] <bz0b> but i rather have it that way then have it install a lot of programs i will never use
[11:19] <mhz> bz0b: apt-get will automatically call and install all dependencies at the time you install any package
[11:20] <bz0b> oh i know
[11:20] <bz0b> but when i compile sources
[11:20] <mhz> bz0b: oh, good point
[11:20] <mhz> ogra: so you would suggest I do the demo with 21?
[11:21] <ogra> mhz, nope, i'd suggest to do the demo with the one linked from http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[11:21] <ogra> ... install edubuntu-server from the net and run a complete update at the end....
[11:22] <bz0b> Last year, I was a student at a high school, here in california, and the teacher ran a 40 box LTSP server, I was also the Computer Club president, and will be again this year, and this year, now that that teacher is gone, another teacher that was helping us all last year is taking his place, and since I hold up most power in the computer club, I was deciding maybe to go with edubuntu
[11:23] <mhz> good idea if Edubuntu suits your needs
[11:23] <ogra> yup
[11:24] <bz0b> But if I could get maybe like 2 good servers, and maybe 1 good /home server, we can install LTSP on the edubuntu servers, and run the 40 boxes again, except with ubuntu instead of fedora
[11:24] <mhz> ogra: you mean ~ogra/ iso?
[11:24] <ogra> yep
[11:24] <bz0b> the thin client way
[11:24] <mhz> bz0b: personally, DEB rock!!
[11:24] <bz0b> Yeah
[11:24] <ogra> mhz, thats proven to install fine, but is missing the edubuntu-server package...
[11:25] <bz0b> but I got debowned today when using ubuntu!
[11:25] <mhz> ogra: oh, good! Now I understand your point
[11:25] <ogra> mhz, just follow the wikipage and you should hav a fine system
[11:25] <mhz> ogra: okidoki
[11:25] <bz0b> debowned is a word me and my friends came up with, like whenever I got stuck or something, he kept saying I got debowned, or debian owned
[11:25] <ogra> to have the newest and shiniest in the end, run a update after you set it up
[11:25] <mhz> yep
[11:26] <ogra> (i havent tried 21 yet... but it will have regressions i think)
[11:27] <mhz> :)
[11:28] <mhz> ogra: is that the very same iso it was present on 19th??
[11:29] <ogra> nope, thats from the 18th... somehow it got deleted, thats why i have it in my ~
[11:29] <bz0b> where can i get some good repositories for apt-get for ubuntu
[11:29] <ogra> mhz, the 19th was totally broken...
[11:29] <mhz> ogra: boo! I was getting happy I did not need another download :(
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[11:30] <ogra> it was present on the 18th...
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[11:31] <ogra> it was also present on the 19th, but vanished on the 20th... 
[11:31] <ogra> lets compare md5sums before you download again...
[11:31] <ogra> 5bd572786f925ee65aac391c841bd8c7
[11:31] <mhz> please... can you tell me how
[11:31] <ogra> md5sum breezy-install-i386.iso
[11:32] <mhz> duh! that simple???????
[11:32] <ogra> drops you out this hash
[11:32] <ogra> if its identical, they are the same
[11:32] <mhz> should it take a while before outout?
[11:33] <ogra> yep...
[11:33] <mhz> oh, it has dropped
[11:34] <mhz> 51564dea2e9c6fd4d9af136ebf8e541
[11:34] <bz0b> mhz the apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 was saying how it has been obsoleted or like available in another source
[11:35] <ogra> mhz, thats a different one
[11:35] <mhz> that seems to be 18th
[11:35] <mhz> bz0b: hmm, first you should edit your source.list
[11:36] <bz0b> ok
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[11:37] <bz0b> then i will apt-get update
[11:37] <bz0b> and then apt-cache search xfce
[11:37] <bz0b> ?
[11:37] <mhzlibre> nop
[11:37] <bz0b> what then?
[11:38] <mhzlibre> you should uncomment the commented lines
[11:38] <bz0b> i did
[11:38] <mhzlibre> ohh
[11:38] <bz0b> and commented cd
[11:38] <mhzlibre> then, yes, u are right
[11:38] <mhzlibre> :)
[11:38] <bz0b> :)
[11:39] <bz0b> yay it works now
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[11:39] <mhzlibre> cool
[11:39] <bz0b> do you think xfce is any good?
[11:39] <bz0b> or do you like flux better?
[11:39] <mhz> ogra: sorry, could you paste again?
[11:39] <ogra> what ?
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[11:39] <ogra> the md5 ? 
[11:39] <mhzlibre> yeps
[11:40] <ogra> 5bd572786f925ee65aac391c841bd8c7
[11:40] <mhz> thx
[11:41] <mhzlibre> that is from 19th, right? and you say 18th was alright too?
[11:41] <bz0b> wow what is all this speak of 18th 19th 20th if i may ask
[11:41] <bz0b> I am completely lost
[11:42] <mhzlibre> we're talking about girls
[11:42] <mhzlibre> ogra: has had a diff girl each day
[11:42] <mhzlibre> :D
[11:42] <bz0b> yay!
[11:43] <bz0b> :D
[11:43] <ogra> mhzlibre, thats the one from the 18th
[11:43] <mhzlibre> .oO(living in a campus is cool, sometimes)
[11:43] <mhzlibre> yep, I thought so
[11:43] <bz0b> wow the xfce looks great
[11:43] <ogra> mhzlibre, i live in the middle of nowhere, here are no girls :)
[11:43] <mhzlibre> bz0b: no, we are talking about the edubuntu daily ISO's ogra has been working on
[11:44] <mhzlibre> ogra: where do you live?
[11:44] <ogra> germany... in the eifel... in a 400 ppl village
[11:45] <mhzlibre> ooooh
[11:45] <ogra> about 10 km to the next gas station
[11:45] <mhzlibre> and no girls?????????
[11:45] <mhzlibre> geee
[11:45] <mhzlibre> no wonder you use computers :D
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[11:46] <mhzlibre> I have to say I could not resist it. Me, as latin man, need to see girls every day
[11:46] <mhzlibre> LOL
[11:47] <bz0b> hhahaaha
[11:47] <bz0b> Latina's are hott!
[11:47] <mhzlibre> hehehe
[11:47] <mhzlibre> many, not all
[11:47] <mhzlibre> I am married though, so I can't see girls very much, just take a quick view
[11:47] <ogra> mhzlibre, http://www.grawert.net/gallery/pano/
[11:48] <mhzlibre> temptation would be too much, and I could loose much too
[11:48] <mhzlibre> so I just stay focus
[11:48] <mhzlibre> on work
[11:49] <mhzlibre> ogra: wow! very nice to live 4 days a week
[11:49] <ogra> why 4 ?
[11:50] <mhzlibre> I would need a little of city noise 3 days. Or I could live there 7 days a week if I had a car and city is not further than 20 mins by car
[11:50] <ogra> ah
[11:50] <mhzlibre> or 30 mins by bycilce
[11:50] <mhzlibre> bike
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[11:52] <ogra> mhz, 19th wont work
[11:52] <mhz> your iso?
[11:53] <ogra> thats 18th :)
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[11:53] <mhz> oh
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[11:53] <mhz> :D
[11:53] <ogra> heh
[11:54] <bz0b> does anyone here use bitchx?
[11:54] <bz0b> how do I just between channels?
[11:54] <ogra> <--xchat
[11:54] <bz0b> good idea
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[11:55] <bz0b> j #kubuntu