[12:07] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:08] <LabThug_hm> Anyone here use kwifimanager that can post their Location file somewhere. I'm having problems getting kubuntu to connect to my AP and webcvs.kde seems down
[12:13] <BTJustice> LabThug_hm: Have you created configs in KWifiManager?
[12:13] <LabThug_hm> Tried, that it didn't connect
[12:14] <BTJustice> OK, are you ising WEP?
[12:14] <LabThug_hm> yep
[12:14] <BTJustice> and DHCP?
[12:14] <LabThug_hm> yep
[12:15] <BTJustice> OK, delete all the configs you created from KWiFIManager and stop using it as it sucks ass.
[12:15] <LabThug_hm> It says it sees my AP, but the AP's mac never changes and it continually says it's connected to an AP called "UNKNOWN"
[12:15] <BTJustice> Follow these instructions...
[12:15] <confrey> how can I load realtime module? I get 'invalid parameter'
[12:15] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58168
[12:16] <LabThug_hm> BTJustice: thanks, will review and try them
[12:20] <LabThug_hm> "Reboot".... hmmm, I'm on the LiveCD (testing it out)  can I get by with just if[up|down] 
[12:21] <BTJustice> I have no idea.
[12:21] <LabThug_hm> yay!!!!
[12:21] <LabThug_hm> I can ;-)
[12:21] <hmmf> morning, whatever :)
[12:22] <BTJustice> It worked?  Your wireless works?
[12:22] <hmmf> gotta love transistors
[12:22] <gdh> haha :)
[12:22] <hmmf> sorry, wrong time warp
[12:22] <gdh> Anything on the BBC Home Service this evening?
[12:23] <ubuntu> BTJustice: yes, it does :-D
[12:23] <gdh> Goon Show? Good enough for me :)
[12:23] <hmmf> they' invaded Poland
[12:23] <ubuntu> Thanks for the forum link.  That's going in the bookmarks
[12:23] <BTJustice> You might post in the thread I gave to you that it did.  :)
[12:23] <gdh> Poland was asking for it ;)
[12:23] <BTJustice> I created that thread
[12:24] <hmmf> crossed the Sudentenland with stealth I believe, Polish Cavalry shattered
[12:25] <hmmf> which brings me inextricably to webcams and a suggestion for a prog to use to get one going
[12:25] <hmmf> I've found it  easily enough with lsusb
[12:26] <hmmf> does it need linking in udev or something?
[12:27] <hmmf> not that having one is necessarily an advantage an avatar tells no lies
[12:27] <hmmf> or truths :)
[12:29] <hmmf> so please if anyone is using a webcam could you tell me what program you use it with?
[12:29] <gdh> gnomemeeting? webcams will just use /dev/video to register themselves
[12:30] <gdh> the canonical program for testing Video4Linux devices is 'xawtv' 
[12:30] <hmmf> thanks gdh
[12:30] <hmmf> excellent many thanks I've worn out my v4l keys
[12:31] <hmmf> back to the orifice thank you I'll give you an autographed pic
[12:32] <trozoid> hey, are ubuntu forums down, or is it just me?
[12:33] <LabThug_kubuntu> hm, guess it was just trozoid
[12:57] <blueyed> Do you also have problems with Firefox, like that kde's launch feedback (jumping cursor) does not recognize when Firefox has started or that it often (not at the moment here) opens as a tab on another virtual desktop? This is with the firefox package from backports..
[12:57] <blueyed> I'll try to use the latest from hoary-security instead.
[12:58] <othernoob> does anyone know how to convert wmv to mpeg?
[01:04] <b3nd3r> :)
[01:30] <cooler> hello
[01:30] <seth_k> hi
[01:30] <cooler> where can i find some computerscience related books for free ?
[01:31] <gdh> your local library?
[01:32] <seth_k> hahah
[01:32] <seth_k> he's off and running, to the library
[01:32] <crimsun> cooler: the library is a great place
[01:33] <cooler> those who i need are already taked
[01:33] <gdh> It's, like, full of books 'n' shit :)
[01:34] <gdh> perhaps a library further away then? ;)
[01:35] <seth_k> or you can use a feature called "put a hold on books until they are returned" :P
[01:36] <cooler> okok
[01:36] <cooler> i want the ebook versions
[01:37] <cooler> eletronic versions
[01:39] <gdh> so you're doing an education course but haven't set aside money for text books? :)
[01:39] <gdh> try kazaa etc. - good luck.
[01:39] <crimsun> cooler: keep in mind there are some great older editions online via the Web
[01:41] <cooler> google isn't helping
[01:42] <pax> what kinda books, linux related?
[01:43] <cooler> cscience related
[01:43] <gdh> that's a hell of a large field.
[01:44] <cooler> algorithms, data compression
[01:44] <gdh> tell you what, why don't you just paste in your required reading list for the course and we'll find warez versions for you? :)
[01:44] <cooler> that's easy ?
[01:44] <cooler> heh
[01:44] <gdh> it would be if I were serious.
[01:44] <crimsun> just search for the cormen questions if you want a textbook on algorithms
[01:45] <crimsun> 1st edition problems & answers are cached somewhere
[01:46] <crimsun> remember also that there's plenty of research on various universities' Web sites that you can cross-reference (appendices, works cited)
[01:46] <pax> cooler search google for "pdf ebooks computer science' http://tuxmobil.org/ebook.html
[01:47] <crimsun> if you really want English textbooks, I could mail you some. I teach a couple CS courses, so it wouldn't be out of the way.
[01:48] <_tito> ubuntu detects my mouse but its mybe a permision problem
[01:48] <cooler> thanks pax
[01:49] <_tito> how can i do that?
[01:49] <pax> crimsun: so when are you starting a book about ubuntu?
[01:49] <_tito> i have mx 100 laser mouse
[01:49] <_tito> i have mx 1000 laser mouse
[01:50] <pax> we got bibles about every distro out there, just not ubuntu yet. Debian 3.1 bible just came out.
[01:50] <crimsun> pax: afaik, there's quite a bit of documentation out there already
[01:53] <cooler> crimsun: what cs courses do you teach ?
[01:53] <pax> yes, but a huge portion of the population still prefer books over internet docs. I personally don't mind spending $30 on a good book, especially if I know a portion of it will go to support my favorite distro.
[01:53] <crimsun> cooler: OS, algorithms, and programming languages
[01:59] <bz0b> hey guys
[02:00] <Reverendo> hi
[02:00] <bz0b> i just reformatted my notebook, and reinstalled kubuntu 5,04, i already installed like 3 apps i need, upgraded, and rebooted to the new kernel, anyone recommend me to do anything else at the moment
[02:01] <bz0b> and now gcc
[02:01] <bz0b> hmm
[02:01] <Reverendo> the apps are working properly?
[02:01] <bz0b> yes
[02:01] <bz0b> and they are apps that usually work on gnome
[02:02] <bz0b> firefox, gaim, and xchat
[02:02] <bz0b> which i am using xchat right now
[02:02] <bz0b> of course i used apt-get so they usually do work
[02:02] <bz0b> any libraries that i should apt-get for?
[02:02] <Reverendo> well, my "approach" on upgrading things are: only upgrade when I really need and, if they are working, that's all ok :)
[02:02] <bz0b> i see
[02:03] <Reverendo> what do you use to read email?
[02:03] <bz0b> i just use gmail
[02:03] <bz0b> Hmm
[02:03] <Reverendo> I like thunderbird
[02:03] <bz0b> oh yeah?
[02:03] <bz0b> hmm
[02:03] <bz0b> good idea
[02:04] <gdh> bz0b: Given you've come so far as to use Kubuntu, have Konqueror, Kopete, Konversation and Kontact proved inadequate?
[02:04] <Reverendo> it have some bugs, but it is very good
[02:05] <bz0b> Kopete yes
[02:05] <bz0b> Konversation and Kontact, i have never tested
[02:05] <gdh> Kopete's biggest problem in Hoary is it doesn't save history. Aside fromthat I have no complaints.
[02:06] <bz0b> Well I really dont like using a IM window for IRC
[02:06] <bz0b> that is why I use xchat or irssi
[02:07] <gdh> ii  konversation   0.16-1ubuntu1  user friendly Internetii  konversation   0.16-1ubuntu1  user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) clie Relay Chat (IRC) clie
[02:07] <gdh> :)
[02:07] <bz0b> and I have used thunderbird on windows before
[02:07] <gdh> oops, bit of a crap paste there.
[02:07] <bz0b> Konverstation is a IRC client?
[02:07] <gdh> yes
[02:07] <Reverendo> I uses to use Kmail, but now I prefer Thunderbrid
[02:07] <bz0b> hmm
[02:08] <Reverendo> I used to...
[02:13] <bz0b> alright i got thunderbird all configured
[02:13] <bz0b> time to get ndiswrapper
[02:13] <bz0b> it works so well with my wifi card!
[02:13] <bz0b> honestly it is so easy
[02:15] <arcanistherogue> hey, is it possible to listen to .wma files on linux?
[02:16] <bz0b> yes
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> how do you do it?
[02:16] <bz0b> vlc player
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[02:16] <bz0b> videolan.org/vlc
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> can i get that with apt-get?
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> or synaptic
[02:16] <bz0b> there is a .deb file
[02:16] <bz0b> if you have good sources
[02:16] <bz0b> probably
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> ill look around
[02:17] <bz0b> that  is a good idea
[02:17] <bz0b> now i will get that too
[02:17] <bz0b> hehe
[02:17] <bz0b> i just reformatted
[02:17] <bz0b> so i need some good apps
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> nifty, i did about a week ago
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> needed mroe linux space
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> UT2004 was eating my memory >_<
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> well, im gonna get back to work.  thanks.
[02:17] <brk3> anyone here using an ati card?
[02:18] <bz0b> yes
[02:18] <bz0b> brk3, i do
[02:19] <bz0b> but since im on a laptop
[02:19] <bz0b> its integrated
[02:19] <bz0b> and what sucks 
[02:19] <bz0b> is that whenever i boot up it always says ATI Radeon NorthBridge Not Fully Tested
[02:19] <bz0b> they need to fully test it!
[02:19] <brk3> bz0b: does it work though?
[02:19] <bz0b> yes
[02:20] <bz0b> vesa drivers
[02:20] <bz0b> but it works
[02:20] <brk3> what are vesa drivers?
[02:20] <bz0b> like sort of default drivers
[02:20] <brk3> do you get 3d acceleration then
[02:20] <bz0b> probably not
[02:20] <bz0b> maybe
[02:20] <brk3> full resolution?
[02:20] <bz0b> not too sure
[02:20] <brk3> what laptop do you have
[02:20] <bz0b> yes
[02:20] <bz0b> presario 2100 series (2186rs with upgraded to 1gb ram)
[02:21] <brk3> just im thinking of getting a hp pavilion zv6179
[02:21] <brk3> seems class but am slightly worried about the ati card
[02:21] <bz0b> the new hp's are great notebooks in my opinion
[02:21] <brk3> ya they seem really good
[02:22] <bz0b> my cousin has one he runs gentoo on it very nicely
[02:22] <brk3> i think everything will work
[02:22] <brk3> just that card,,
[02:22] <brk3> s/,,/\.\./
[02:22] <brk3> as long as i can have full resolution id be happy
[02:22] <brk3> wont really be playing games
[02:22] <brk3> (i suppose)
[02:23] <gdh> vesa driver will give you the full screen resolution, but no 2D accel - important if you ever play video
[02:23] <brk3> what about the drivers from the ati website?
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[02:24] <brk3> bz0b: have you tried them?
[02:24] <gdh> I have a matrox mystique 220 PCI from 1998 .. :)
[02:24] <bz0b> what
[02:24] <bz0b> nope
[02:24] <brk3> why not
[02:25] <bz0b> maybe i will get the fglrx or whatever they call it
[02:25] <bz0b> i like doing things with apt-get
[02:25] <brk3> does wifi work on your laptop?
[02:25] <bz0b> yes
[02:25] <bz0b> i <3 ndiswrapper
[02:25] <bz0b> so easy man
[02:25] <bz0b> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[02:25] <brk3> what about the drivers from linuxant
[02:25] <bz0b> havent tried
[02:26] <bz0b> brk3, its honestly 5 commands to have it there permenantly
[02:27] <bz0b> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils && ndiswrapper -i filename && modprobe ndiswrapper && ndiswrapper -l && ndiswrapper -m
[02:27] <brk3> bz0b: im liking the sound of it :)
[02:27] <bz0b> there you go
[02:27] <brk3> http://zv6000forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=643
[02:27] <brk3> i like the look of that aswell
[02:28] <brk3> and wifi works nicely
[02:28] <bz0b> yes
[02:28] <bz0b> yay
[02:28] <bz0b> vlc is working
[02:29] <bz0b> i <3 vlc
[02:29] <bz0b> time to get skype!
[02:29] <gdh> lovely - all the non-free shite =)
[02:30] <bz0b> what is non-free?
[02:30] <gdh> skype at least
[02:30] <bz0b> skype out and in is, but that is understandable
[02:30] <gdh> ndiswrapper is dubious
[02:30] <bz0b> skype is free
[02:31] <brk3> as long as theres linux support i dont really care if stuff is free or not 
[02:31] <bz0b> yeah
[02:31] <gdh> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[02:31] <bz0b> oh i see what you mean
[02:31] <gdh> skype is as closed and non-free as you can get save for a purchase price.
[02:32] <bz0b> i just read the first and understood what you meant
[02:34] <bz0b> time to get limewire for linux!
[02:34] <bz0b> to download my music
[02:34] <bz0b> and now that i have vlc its a great combo
[02:34] <brk3> oh ya :)
[02:34] <gdh> nicotine instead? (for the soulseek network)
[02:34] <bz0b> is it better?
[02:34] <gdh> I'm happy with it.
[02:34] <brk3> whats vlc
[02:35] <gdh> VideoLAN Client
[02:35] <bz0b> videolan client
[02:35] <bz0b> man it plays like every format
[02:35] <gdh> vlc is a nice choice on Windows because it does not use the windows codec system, it does everything internally
[02:35] <bz0b> yes
[02:35] <bz0b> well it's nice on linux too!
[02:37] <brk3> how does the wifi gui on linux compare to the one on windows? or has anyone tried the windows one
[02:38] <seth_k> Windows GUI pwns Linux's for now
[02:38] <seth_k> Breezy makes it quite a bit better
[02:38] <bz0b> breezy?
[02:38] <brk3> seth_k: pwns?
[02:38] <seth_k> ubotu tell bz0b about breezy
[02:38] <seth_k> brk3, Windows GUI > Linux's GUI
[02:39] <bz0b> HEHE
[02:39] <brk3> seth_k: thought so :(
[02:39] <bz0b> It can and will brake    your system
[02:39] <seth_k> brk3, Breezy includes the NetworkManager, hopefully... it will allow for easy roaming, easy wifi selection, stuff like that
[02:39] <brk3> linux is so great but it really needs to get its act together in alot of areas
[02:39] <crimsun> windows's gui? Actually I find this gui (XP) quite annoying.
[02:39] <bz0b> yes me too
[02:39] <bz0b> I think KDE is much better
[02:40] <crimsun> now app-wise, yes, I think there need to be quite a few additional progs.
[02:40] <brk3> bz0b: it is, but we're talking about the wifi gui
[02:40] <brk3> i hate when linux lets me down like this
[02:40] <brk3> no drivers for 6-in-1 card reader either
[02:41] <brk3> that kind of shite gives windows-advocates a field day
[02:41] <gdh> card readers shouldn't need any specific driver - just uses the USB mass-storage support
[02:41] <gdh> put a card in, icon should appear on the desktop...
[02:42] <brk3> gdh: its a well know fact that the new 6-in-1 card readers on laptops just dont work on linux
[02:42] <bz0b> what do you guys think is a better server distro? RHEL 4 or Centos?
[02:42] <seth_k> Centos = RHEL without branding, neh?
[02:42] <gdh> ah k so they'll be connected via some odd interface - only a matter of time :)
[02:43] <gdh> seth_k: CentOS is for people too cheap to buy RHEL and too lazy to learn a better OS like Debian :)
[02:43] <brk3> i mean i know its the companies fault for not making drivers. but thats not gonna change so we need to get over it. its a problem thats not being solved
[02:43] <seth_k> gdh, word :P
[02:43] <IceDC571> um.. where is the history for konqueror?
[02:44] <bz0b> yeah
[02:44] <gdh> seth_k: That said, it's a useful tool for lame asses like Dell who will only accept that a fault with a machine  exists if it can be demonstrated on 'RHEL' 
[02:44] <brk3> IceDC571: the third tab from the bottom on the sidebar
[02:46] <bz0b> wow
[02:46] <bz0b> i never knew about alien
[02:46] <brk3> bz0b: alien is good alright
[02:46] <IceDC571> brk3: thank you :)
[02:46] <bz0b> i now know that
[02:47] <bufalo73> hello
[02:47] <bufalo73> I have a problem : "Inconsistency detected by ld.so"
[02:48] <bufalo73> does anybody know how to fix it?
[02:48] <bufalo73> google doesn't helps
[02:48] <brk3> bz0b: would you take a look at the laptop im thinking of and tell me what you think?
[02:49] <bz0b> sure
[02:49] <bz0b> can you relink me?
[02:49] <brk3> bz0b: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/21675-38187-38191-38191-38191-12200672-53922087.html
[02:49] <bz0b> ok
[02:49] <bz0b> one sec
[02:49] <brk3> thanks
[02:49] <brk3> im just scared shitless linux wont work
[02:50] <brk3> bufalo73: when do you get that error
[02:51] <bufalo73> brk3, anytime I try to open a KDE app
[02:51] <brk3> bufalo73: in a pop-up is it?
[02:51] <bufalo73> pop-up (alt-f2) and command line
[02:52] <BTJustice> Anyone know how to access the KDE Setup Wizard where you can pick if you want KDE to act like Windows or MAC OS X?
[02:53] <brk3> heh
[02:53] <bz0b> brk3, it will work with 64 iso;s
[02:53] <bz0b> amd64*
[02:53] <bz0b> can't promise it will work with i386
[02:53] <brk3> i think that should be a good quote if i do say so myself: "im just scared shitless linux wont work"
[02:53] <bz0b> haha
[02:53] <brk3> says it all doesnt it :)
[02:54] <bz0b> yup
[02:54] <brk3> bz0b: i thought 32 bit would intall fine if you wanted
[02:54] <brk3> people here were saying not to bother with 64bit it just causes probs
[02:55] <brk3> bufalo73: sorry, have no idea how to fix that
[02:55] <bz0b> brk3, well depends on what distro
[02:55] <bz0b> i think ubuntu and kubuntu will
[02:55] <bufalo73> thanks anyway brk3
[02:55] <brk3> bz0b: well obviouly i want kubuntu
[02:55] <bz0b> but whax wont :-)
[02:55] <bz0b> ok
[02:55] <bz0b> then yes
[02:55] <bz0b> it will
[02:55] <brk3> bufalo73: try #debian, seems to be a debian related prob
[02:55] <brk3> dunno though
[02:55] <bz0b> but if you are at all like me, then you are going to have to recompile the kernel of whax, a security tools distro, to use t
[02:55] <bz0b> it*
[02:56] <bz0b> it has every sort of pentest you would wat
[02:56] <bz0b> want*
[02:56] <brk3> what the hell is whax :)
[02:56] <bz0b> iwhax.net
[02:56] <bz0b> #whax
[02:56] <bz0b> wanna hack wep?
[02:56] <bz0b> hehe
[02:56] <brk3> wep?
[02:57] <bz0b> wireless networks with a pass
[02:57] <BTJustice> Anyone know how to access the KDE Setup Wizard where you can pick if you want KDE to act like Windows or MAC OS X?
[02:57] <bz0b> i mean crack wep
[02:57] <brk3> BTJustice: in relation to keyboard?
[02:57] <brk3> bz0b: heh
[02:58] <brk3> bz0b: will help once i get my laptop and ndiswrapper :p
[02:58] <bz0b> yes
[02:58] <bz0b> actually whax automatically picks up almost every wireless card on startup
[02:58] <bz0b> :-)
[02:58] <bz0b> you dont even need to do anything except go near a AP
[02:58] <BTJustice> brk3: No in relation to the desktop
[02:59] <brk3> BTJustice: just on the kde menu->control centre?
[02:59] <brk3> bz0b: ya seems like a great distro.. site doesnt even work :p
[02:59] <BTJustice> Nah.  There is a set up wizard to do it with.  It comes with FreeBSD and Slackware I think.
[03:00] <bz0b> ioh
[03:00] <bz0b> haha he is updating it
[03:00] <bz0b> haha
[03:01] <mornfall> hmm, anyone interested in Adept .deb? (this is a pre-alpha version of the prepared breezy-kubuntu package manager)
[03:01] <mornfall> i need some testing :)
[03:02] <brk3> mornfall: il test it. if i can install it!
[03:02] <mornfall> in a minute, i'll upload the packs
[03:02] <brk3> where can i get it
[03:04] <brk3> cant wait to see it actually :) kynaptic is balls
[03:04] <mornfall> brk3: grab the 3 debs on http://beleriand.mornfall.net/~mornfall/adept/ and install them -- that should be enough :)
[03:04] <mornfall> brk3: then run sudo adept
[03:05] <bz0b> i know this may sound a little noobish, but how do i cp a directory
[03:05] <bz0b> i am trying to copy /usr/java to /usr/lib/java
[03:05] <gdh> cp -R dir destination
[03:05] <bz0b> thanks
[03:06] <brk3> bz0b: dude?!
[03:06] <gdh> although, yeh :)
[03:06] <brk3> bz0b: cp -r /usr/java /usr/lib/java
[03:06] <bz0b> yeah
[03:06] <bz0b> sorry
[03:06] <bz0b> i forget sometimes
[03:06] <brk3> mornfall: hope they're not too big.. im on dialup :()
[03:06] <brk3> *:(
[03:07] <mornfall> -a, actually :)
[03:07] <brk3> the old ganga eh
[03:07] <gdh> wow, I thought dialup was made illegal in 2003 :)
[03:07] <gdh> so much for progress
[03:07] <bz0b> yay
[03:07] <bz0b> LimeWire works now!
[03:07] <mornfall> brk3, 4M total i think
[03:08] <bz0b> someone name a song!
[03:08] <brk3> gdh: wish it was
[03:08] <brk3> scumbags wont bring it to my area
[03:08] <mornfall> Nowhere by Katatonia
[03:08] <brk3> bz0b: enjoy!
[03:08] <mornfall> (that's what playing here, anyway)
[03:08] <brk3> mornfall: ah, it'l be worth it
[03:08] <mornfall> brk3: tell me if you get something out of it :)
[03:09] <brk3> mornfall: anything to contribute :)
[03:09] <bz0b> brk3, thanks
[03:09] <gdh> bz0b: Party at Tony's Beach by the Lindberg Hemmer Foundation ;)
[03:09] <mornfall> anyone else willing to give it a ride?
[03:09] <bz0b> ok
[03:10] <brk3> mornfall: do you want me to email you with a report?
[03:10] <mornfall> brk3: whatever, i will hang around for a while
[03:10] <gdh> mornfall: I wouldn't know what to do with it - all the packages I want are already working :)
[03:10] <brk3> theres far too much traffic in #ubuntu
[07:59] (pax/#kubuntu) it's a 'clock' problem, nothing is wrong with your clock, it's kdesu problem
[07:59] (pax/#kubuntu) not*
[07:59] (BTJustice/#kubuntu) how do you fix kdesu?
[08:00] <Kovecses> BTJustice: its not a problem with kdesu its a problem with the time app
[08:00] <BTJustice> or can the clock be removed and then reinstalled with Ksynaptic?
[08:00] <pax> Kovecses: he can adjust the clock just fine from kcontrol
[08:00] <BTJustice> correct
[08:00] <Kovecses> pax: then whats the prob?
[08:01] <pax> Kovecses: I just said kdesu, he can't run it properly
[08:01] <BTJustice> Kovecses...
[08:01] <BTJustice> If i right-clci kon the clock in the applet
[08:01] <BTJustice> then left-click on Adjust Date & Time
[08:02] <BTJustice> a window pops up asking me for my root password which I enter correctly
[08:02] <BTJustice> i click ok
[08:02] <BTJustice> and nothing happens
[08:02] <kainos> help! how do i start samba?
[08:02] <BTJustice> the clock doesn't pop up so I can adjust it
[08:03] <BTJustice> kdesu commands in trerminal do nothing
[08:04] <Kovecses> BTJustice: like i said thats the time app not kdesu.........all my other kdesu commands work great...until i try and run the time app........then no kdesu commands work.....so i bet after you restart kdesu will work...as long as you dont try that time app
[08:04] <BTJustice> ok, i will reboot
[08:04] <BTJustice> brb
[08:04] <pax> geez
[08:04] <pax> kainos: what's the problem with samba?
[08:04] <Kovecses> pax: at least that is how my system is
[08:05] <kainos> sorry. wasn taking down notes
[08:05] <kainos> just starting it up. im config my other pc
[08:05] <pax> 123 reboot, windoz culture :c)
[08:06] <kainos> i already set up the other pc n its doing fine now. im setting my other pc. still having problems starting it up
[08:06] <kainos> i already got how to update and modify the rcconf
[08:07] <pax> kainos: install swat, frontend for smb, it'll make your life little easier
[08:07] <kainos> just the startup
[08:07] <pax> !info swat
[08:07] <ubotu> swat: (Samba Web Administration Tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 3877 kB, Installed size: 9012 kB
[08:07] <IceDC571> i cant wait for kde4 to come out
[08:07] <Kovecses> pax: yea the thing with debian is ........... i could never get sound working properly....ubuntu i have to compile the newest versions of alsa for it to work.......but in debian i could kindove get it to work
[08:07] <kainos> ok wait
[08:08] <IceDC571> does anyone know a gapless audio player based on qt?
[08:08] <Kovecses> IceDC571: what is up with kde4 why is it gonna be so good?
[08:08] <BTJustice> ok back
[08:08] <Kovecses> IceDC571: umm whats wrong with amarok?
[08:08] <pax> Kovecses: debian make great server, leave GUI to ubuntu
[08:08] <kainos> ill do the swat thing later
[08:08] <BTJustice> what kdesu command shall i try?
[08:08] <kainos> how do i start it up
[08:09] <Kovecses> BTJustice: just try kdesu kate
[08:09] <BTJustice> ok now password window appears
[08:09] <pax> kainos: /etc/init.d/smb start 
[08:09] <BTJustice> but, when I type in the password
[08:09] <BTJustice> nothing happens
[08:10] <BTJustice> kate doesn't open
[08:10] <BTJustice> oh wait
[08:10] <BTJustice> it just opened
[08:10] <Kovecses> ahh see
[08:10] <BTJustice> took awhile though
[08:10] <Kovecses> yeah kdesu takes a little bit longer
[08:10] <BTJustice> shall i try a kdesu command for the clock?
[08:10] <pax> it's kate that takes longer not kdesu :-)
[08:11] <Kovecses> pax: yeah maybe
[08:11] <pax> BTJustice: so you can adjust the clock normally now?
[08:12] <pax> without going to kcontrol?
[08:12] <BTJustice> i haven't tried
[08:12] <BTJustice> should i?
[08:12] <Kovecses> well yeah
[08:12] <Kovecses> wtf
[08:12] <BTJustice> lol
[08:12] <pax> let me think ..
[08:12] <Kovecses> lol
[08:12] <BTJustice> i wanted ot be sure you didn;t want me to try more stuff
[08:12] <BTJustice> since kdesu commands stop working after trying to adjust clock
[08:13] <BTJustice> i am going to try it
[08:13] <Kovecses> try kcontrol
[08:13] <Kovecses> kdesu kcontrol
[08:13] <BTJustice> it doesn;t open the clock wen i right-clcik
[08:13] <Kovecses> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[08:13] <BTJustice> let me try kcontrol
[08:14] <Kovecses> BTJustice: are you like 13?
[08:14] <Kovecses> lol j/k
[08:14] <BTJustice> i am just a shitty typer
[08:14] <BTJustice> kcontrol works
[08:14] <kainos> ok pa i go it now.
[08:14] <Kovecses> of course it does
[08:14] <kainos> how do i use swat then?
[08:14] <Kovecses> its only the time app that doesnt
[08:14] <kainos> after installing
[08:14] <BTJustice> will be 30 in 2 weeks, looking forward to that... NOT
[08:15] <aseigo> BTJustice: bah.. i'm 30.. it's all good =)
[08:15] <BTJustice> :)
[08:15] <Kovecses> im 22 in a week
[08:15] <BTJustice> senior discounts and auto insurance are right around hte corner
[08:16] <aseigo> haha..
[08:16] <aseigo> still a ways off from that
[08:16] <BTJustice> lol
[08:16] <Kovecses> auto insurance discounts are at 25 i thought?
[08:16] <aseigo> life is good at 30 =)
 what do i do after installing SWAT?
[08:16] <aseigo> Kovecses: yep.. here in canada, anyways =)
[08:16] <BTJustice> Seriously though, I am sitting here stupidfied.
[08:16] <Kovecses> BTJustice: does time adjustment work in kcontrol?
[08:16] <BTJustice> Why can't I right-clcik on the clock then left-click on Adjust Date & Time then enter my password and have hte clock pop up like it use to?
[08:17] <BTJustice> yes
[08:17] <aseigo> BTJustice: ah, just go out and have fun on your birthday.. 30 years of life is a great accomplishment and there are many more to come.
[08:17] <aseigo> BTJustice: hrm.. if you can't, that'd be a kubuntu bug
[08:17] <Kovecses> BTJustice: it is a bug............linux and kde are not perfect........yet
[08:18] <BTJustice> Now let me tell you guys this...
[08:18] <BTJustice> i have installed Kubuntu several times now...
[08:18] <BTJustice> this happens every time...
[08:18] <BTJustice> i once installed hte world clock for KDE which seemed to fix the problem
[08:18] <IceDC571> kde4 is going to have a new theme engline
[08:18] <IceDC571> engine*
[08:18] <BTJustice> but it came back later not working
[08:19] <BTJustice> so i uninstalled world clock and it would work
[08:19] <Kovecses> IceDC571: i heard kde4 was gonna even be like twice as fast
[08:19] <BTJustice> then it would not work
[08:19] <BTJustice> so i reinstalled world clock
[08:19] <BTJustice> abck and forth
[08:19] <BTJustice> *back
[08:19] <aseigo> well, probably not TWICE as fast.. but faster in many respects yes
[08:19] <Kovecses> BTJustice: if you can adjust time in kcontrol then why even stress it?
[08:20] <Kovecses> aseigo: yeah your right.....but im just imbelishing i guess
[08:20] <IceDC571> kdelook already has a kde4 section
[08:20] <BTJustice> Kovecses: Yeah I know, but it still bugs me, to me, that makes KDE inferior.  You kow what mean?  It SHOULD be able to let you adjust hte time directly.
[08:20] <Kovecses> IceDC571: does it look good
[08:20] <BTJustice> inferior... like my typing, lol
[08:20] <Kovecses> BTJustice: it may be a kubuntu problem and not a kde problem
[08:21] <BTJustice> That's another thing too...
[08:21] <BTJustice> Why does Ubuntu have a Gnome and a KDE version?
[08:21] <BTJustice> They oughta just pick one
[08:21] <Kovecses> BTJustice: you are lost
[08:21] <BTJustice> I have been here many time with Kubuntu problems and am told ot go to #Uuntu and vice versa
[08:22] <pax> kainos: after installing swat, you would want to enable root account because swat requires that (sudo) wouldn't work, and then in your browser go to localhost:901 enter the root pass, and set your samba the way you want.
[08:22] <_frank> BTJustice: because some people want kde, some want gnome.
[08:22] <Kovecses> BTJustice: Ubuntu is gnome kubuntu is kde...TWO different distro's
[08:22] <BTJustice> Yeah I realize that, but I also think this is one of Linux's big problems...
[08:22] <BTJustice> too many distro's
[08:22] <BTJustice> too many differnet ways to do something
[08:22] <BTJustice> you know?
[08:22] <_frank> It's the same distro, different guis
[08:22] <Kovecses> BTJustice: my advice is to go use windows then
[08:22] <BTJustice> Hell with that
[08:23] <Kovecses> BTJustice: linux is all about choice........you cstomize it to fix your exact needs
[08:23] <BTJustice> I R-E-A-L-L-Y want Linux to work especially KDE as I like that better than Gnome.
[08:23] <_frank> yeah but with windows, if you don't like the interface, you're stuck with it
[08:24] <BTJustice> _frank: Actually, you can change with programs such as Windows Blinds
[08:24] <_frank> BTJustice: once you get over the adjustment to linux bump, you won't look back
[08:24] <BTJustice> I know, I like what I see.
[08:24] <Kovecses> BTJustice: if you use a distro like debian everything works cuz they are bent on stableness.....ubuntu is more cutting edge where stuff aint gonna work
[08:24] <BTJustice> But really, how the f can I not adjust the clock anymore?
[08:24] <aseigo> Kovecses: it's not really 2 diff distros. it's one distro with 2 different desktops. most of the packages are the same =)
[08:24] <BTJustice> That is silly to me.
[08:25] <aseigo> BTJustice: when you enter your password, is that giving you errors/
[08:25] <BTJustice> I was thinking about trying Mepis
[08:25] <BTJustice> or Gentoo
[08:25] <Kovecses> aseigo: yes i know.........
[08:25] <BTJustice> aseigo: No errors
[08:25] <BTJustice> nothing happens
[08:25] <BTJustice> with the clock anyway
[08:25] <aseigo> BTJustice: sounds like the kdesu bug
[08:25] <_frank> BTJustice: well you said it used to work, did you do anything that could have affected it?
[08:25] <IceDC571> well keep in mind only try gentoo if you have time to compile every single app you'll run
[08:26] <_frank> BTJustice: like install non ubuntu packages?
[08:26] <Kovecses> BTJustice: did you try running the clock app as straight root?
[08:26] <BTJustice> _frank: No.  I adjusted it a few hours ago, checked e-mail with Kontact, turned compouter off for a bit, turned it back on, clock was off, I tried to open it and nothing
[08:26] <BTJustice> How do I run clock app as straight root?
[08:27] <Kovecses> BTJustice: well ..........you must create a root account
[08:27] <BTJustice> or turn it on right?
[08:27] <BTJustice> aseigo: What is the kdesu bug?
[08:28] <aseigo> BTJustice: the one where it stops working ;)
[08:28] <aseigo> BTJustice: it's a known bug on kubuntu where the kdesu patches that make it use sudo rather than su mess up at some point =(
[08:28] <BTJustice> aseigo: well it works if I don;t try to adjust time, i was able to do kdesu kate and it worked.
[08:28] <BTJustice> I am utterly confused right now, lol.
[08:29] <aseigo> BTJustice: it also has the devs who are working on it befuddled.
[08:29] <aseigo> BTJustice: i hope to work on it with them at aKademy
[08:29] <BTJustice> See it stopped working when it was still 3.4.0 KDE about 2 hours ago.
[08:30] <BTJustice> I went ahead and added the link to get the latest KDE for Hoary to my sources.list and let it downlaod and install
[08:30] <BTJustice> i hoped it would fix the problem but it didn;t
[08:30] <_frank> what is aKademy?
[08:31] <BTJustice> I am sitting here watching Dune on the Sci-Fi Channel... what a stupid movie...
[08:31] <_frank> the mini series?
[08:32] <BTJustice> The movie
[08:32] <_frank> never saw it
[08:32] <BTJustice> well turn tv to Sci-Fi channel if you got it, lol
[08:32] <Kovecses> BTJustice: yeah kde is more buggy than gnome.....but kde is alot more cool looking and functional........like i HAD to set up my printer in gnome for it to work in kde
[08:32] <_frank> not american
[08:33] <BTJustice> Kovecses: Yes I like KDE much better than Gnome.
[08:33] <BTJustice> I think it is better organized
[08:33] <BTJustice> but I guess the fleas come with the dog
[08:34] <pax> BTJustice, try this: rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet* ----- now, in console: sudo kcontrol > system administration > date & time > check set date and time automaticaly > change the time zone correctly. Then right click on the kicker > remove clock > kill the kicker > start it again > add clock back
[08:34] <BTJustice> rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet*
[08:34] <BTJustice> in the terminal
[08:34] <BTJustice> ?
[08:34] <Kovecses> pax: very nice info
[08:34] <pax> yes
[08:36] <BTJustice> btjustice@Kubuntu:~$ rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet*
[08:36] <BTJustice> btjustice@Kubuntu:~$ sudo kcontrol
[08:36] <BTJustice> Password:
[08:36] <BTJustice> ERROR: Communication problem with kcontrol, it probably crashed.
[08:36] <BTJustice> btjustice@Kubuntu:~$
[08:36] <Kovecses> pax: worked for me!
[08:36] <BTJustice> let me try again
[08:36] <pax> BTJustice: ok, just kill kicker and restart it
[08:36] <Kovecses> BTJustice: try kdesu kcontrol instead of sudo kcontrol
[08:37] <BTJustice> how do I kill tha kicker again and restart it
[08:37] <pax> Kovecses: you had the same problem?
[08:37] <BTJustice> ?
[08:37] <pax> kilall kicker
[08:37] <ms12> wow enlightenment DR17 is a killer manager 
[08:37] <pax> killall kicker*
[08:37] <Kovecses> pax: yeah the clock app dont work for me........but my time is correct so i dont care
[08:38] <BTJustice> ok, how do i reopen kicker?
[08:38] <pax> type kicker & in console
[08:38] <BTJustice> ok
[08:38] <BTJustice> now re-add the clock applet?
[08:38] <pax> yes.
[08:38] <BTJustice> ok
[08:38] <BTJustice> now try to adjust the time?
[08:39] <pax> yes, either or smoke some more weed
[08:39] <Kovecses> pax: did you try to change the time through kde......i have talked to many who say it doesnt work
[08:39] <pax> mine works fine
[08:39] <Kovecses> pax: you on 3.4.2?
[08:39] <BTJustice> nothing
[08:40] <pax> Kovecses: yes
[08:40] <Kovecses> pax: have you tried it? or does time just work
[08:40] <BTJustice> pax: Still nothing.  
[08:40] <pax> BTJustice: did you rm .kde/share/config/clock_panel* ?
[08:40] <Kovecses> pax: try it i bet it dont work
[08:41] <pax> Kovecses: works here.
[08:41] <BTJustice> yes
[08:41] <BTJustice> let me try again in case i f'ed up...
[08:41] <pax> BTJustice: check if you have that in root sudo -i
[08:41] <Kovecses> pax: send me a screenie then i will believe..........cuz every one else i have talked to say it dont work
[08:42] <Kovecses> pax: u must be lucky
[08:42] <BTJustice> pax:  What?
[08:42] <BTJustice> root sudo -i
[08:42] <BTJustice> ???
[08:42] <Kovecses> hmmmmmmmm
[08:42] <Kovecses> what?
[08:43] <Kovecses> rm .kde/share/config/clock_panel
[08:43] <BTJustice> does it have to have * at end?
[08:43] <pax> just sudo -i
[08:43] <pax> yes it does, or use tab
[08:44] <BTJustice> ok i am root now in terminal
[08:44] <Kovecses> all this just to fix something that he has fixed
[08:44] <BTJustice> i will try pax instructiosn again
[08:44] <pax> Kovecses: http://ninux.net/files/believefoo.png :-)
[08:44] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ # rm .kde/share/config/clock_panel*
[08:44] <BTJustice> rm: cannot remove `.kde/share/config/clock_panel*': No such file or directory
[08:44] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ #     
[08:44] <pax> ok, good. now try to see if you can adjust it from the clock again
[08:45] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ # sudo kcontrol
[08:45] <BTJustice> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[08:45] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ #       
[08:45] <BTJustice> ???
[08:45] <BTJustice> Nope, still can't adjust from the clock
[08:46] <pax> whatever you are smoking, I'll take some
[08:46] <pax> you are root and using sudo?
[08:46] <BTJustice> I am following your instructions
[08:46] <BTJustice> you typed above
[08:46] <BTJustice> BTJustice, try this: rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet* ----- now, in console: sudo kcontrol > system administration > date & time > check set date and time automaticaly > change the time zone correctly. Then right click on the kicker > remove clock > kill the kicker > start it again > add clock bac
[08:47] <pax> did I say you have to be root to do sudo kcontrol
[08:47] <_frank> BTJustice: use sudo not in a root shell
[08:47] <_frank> BTJustice: your root shell may not have the right environment
[08:47] <Kovecses> pax: very cool screenie...........
[08:48] <BTJustice> pax: Yes, you said to "sudo -i".  Remember?
[08:48] <Kovecses> ok bed
[08:48] <Kovecses> bye
[08:48] <pax> BTJustice: i konsole type exit
[08:48] <pax> in*
[08:49] <BTJustice> ok done
[08:49] <pax> nothing yet?
[08:49] <BTJustice> yes, i am now in KDE control Center
[08:50] <pax> comment vas tu _frank 
[08:50] <_frank> bien
[08:50] <BTJustice> changed time
[08:50] <BTJustice> removing clock from applet
[08:51] <BTJustice> killing kicker
[08:51] <BTJustice> turning kicker back on
[08:51] <BTJustice> adding clock back to panel
[08:52] <BTJustice> nothing
[08:52] <pax> BTJustice: here's the deal, you don't adjust the clock everyday, it's a one time thing. So you can do it from control center when you need to.
[08:52] <BTJustice> still can't adjust from the clock
[08:52] <BTJustice> yeah
[09:05] <BTJustice> Kind of sucks that I can't change it directly from the clock though
[09:06] <BTJustice> thanks for the help at any rate
[09:47] <BTJustice> pax: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111187
[09:52] <pax> BTJustice: great, fire another one here http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ :)
[09:53] <BTJustice> Bingo Bango
[10:01] <BTJustice> pax: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13914
[10:07] <vot3> do you know how i can se it to the mousewheel instead?
[10:11] <BTJustice> ???
[10:11] <BTJustice> To use the mouse wheel in Kubuntu to scroll?
[10:13] <BTJustice> It shoudl work by default unless you have some whacky generic mouse
[10:14] <BTJustice> You might try the terminal and type in... sudo kcontrol
[10:15] <BTJustice> go to Peripherals > Mouse and look around in there
[10:50] <ecker> i forgot how to get my net running on start up can someone remind me how?
[10:55] <seaLne> it should do it automatically unless you've maybe changed something?
[10:55] <seaLne> there should be "auto" next to the interface name in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:56] <seaLne> hmm actually weird my eth0 dosen't
[10:56] <seaLne> ahh its being done with hotplug
[10:57] <ecker>  The loopback network interface
[10:57] <ecker> auto lo
[10:57] <ecker> iface lo inet loopback
[10:57] <ecker> thats what mine looks like
[10:57] <seaLne> ecker: you don't have any mention of eth0?
[10:58] <ecker>        map eth0
[10:58] <ecker> # The primary network interface
[10:58] <ecker> iface eth0 inet static
[10:59] <ecker> cant paste it all in here
[10:59] <seaLne> looks fine, is there an ip address after that?
[10:59] <ecker> yeah
[10:59] <seaLne> what happens if you do "sudo ifup eth0"?
[10:59] <seaLne> that work fine?
[11:00] <ecker> udo ifup eth0
[11:00] <ecker> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[11:00] <ecker> hmm strange
[11:00] <seaLne> does /sbin/ifconfig list an ip and stuff for eth0?
[11:00] <ecker> yes
[11:01] <seaLne> what makes you think the network isn't up?
[11:01] <ecker> but i already did dhcpclient to get the net up in running, but i gotta do it everytime i restart. its not auto detecting it on boot
[11:02] <BTJustice> Here...
[11:02] <seaLne> ecker: if you are using dhcp you should have that in /etc/network/interfaces instead of static
[11:02] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58168
[11:02] <seaLne> ecker: change it to iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:04] <ecker> ok brb
[11:27] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: yeah?
[11:28] <PM-aSeepin> nikkia i just thought of something I would really like to see in KDE, that I bet you could do in like 5 minutes flat
[11:28] <nikkia> whats that ?
[11:28] <PM-aSeepin> firefox/mozilla stores your bookmarks in an xml/html file right?
[11:28] <nikkia> html, i think, yeah
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> in KDE you can have the menu put in an entry for your konqueror bookmarks
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> I would *LOVE* to be able to do that with my firefox bookmarks
[11:36] <mornfall> morning :)
[11:49] <mornfall> anyone here running kubuntu breezy? :)
[11:51] <seaLne> mornfall: yeah
[11:51] <mornfall> willing to test adept for me?
[11:51] <mornfall> deb http://beleriand.mornfall.net/~mornfall/adept ./
[11:51] <mornfall> apt-get install adept
[11:52] <mornfall> the package is rough and all, it's pre-aplha still :)
[11:52] <seaLne> i don't have it on my home machine atm (this afternoon probably) but if i don't get it setup i'll try it at work tommorow
[11:52] <seaLne> about to get rid of sid
[11:53] <nikkia> lol @ tpb
[11:54] <nikkia> they've changed their logo to a pirate ship in a transparent apple, click it and it auto-searches for the OSX/x86 builds :P
[11:54] <nikkia> i'm guessing they got some legal threats from apple, again
[11:58] <PM-aSeepin> whats it gonna take wumin
[11:58] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: a lot more free time :/
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> would it really take that much? from what i understand, konqueror stores bookmarks in html as well.. wouldnt you just be able to change the file that konqueror's bookmark extension uses?
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> hell
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> point me to the right file
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> ill take my own crack at it
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> :)
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> I dont mind, I can hack around in c a little
[12:00] <PM-aSeepin> (very little)
[12:00] <PM-aSeepin> i just have no clue where to look heh
[12:01] <n> I was told by a ubuntu dev that Breezy supports 'Suspend to disk'. I've installed Breezy w/ its latest kernel but there is no suspend to disk option on the KDE session manager.
[12:01] <PM-aSeepin> it might be a command you need to map
[12:01] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: it'd be a bit more complex than that
[12:01] <PM-aSeepin> all these really brave friggen people usin breezy
[12:01] <BTJustice> They may have been looking for another tester.
[12:02] <PM-aSeepin> i dont plan to use it till halfway to next release :D
[12:02] <BTJustice> Breezy... like a fart...
[12:02] <PM-aSeepin> nikkia:  well, im gonna roam around the source tree for the menu system if i can find it, and see for myself ;)
[12:02] <n> BT: you really think they were just blagging me away from opensuse?
[12:03] <PM-aSeepin> and im even weary at 3 months old to use a release
[12:03] <BTJustice> blagging & opensuse???
[12:03] <PM-aSeepin> maybe ill install breezy when the following release comes out :D
[12:03] <n> opensuse is the first distro I've seen with the suspend to disk turbo boot option
[12:03] <PM-aSeepin> I ordered 20 cds from shipit... 10-x86, 5-PPC (only 4 showed), and 5-AMD64
[12:04] <BTJustice> I just use Windows XP.  It's bulletproof 
[12:04] <PM-aSeepin> all I have left is one of each for myself, heh
[12:04] <n> but I'd rather get it working under ubuntu
[12:04] <n> BT: you joker!
[12:04] <BTJustice> lol
[12:04] <PM-aSeepin> peopel are eating ubuntu up... i know for a fact i completely converted one guy, he deleted windows and broke the cd... and ive got at least 5 more telling me they love it
[12:04] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: well, the issues would be, you'd need to somehow differentiate the two bookmark lists, you'd need to find the profile names - and how do you present the list if there is more than one profile in mozilla?, its not the 'getting the bookmarks' thats the complex issue, its how to present them properly
[12:05] <BTJustice> I have to keep Windows though.  I have too many games.
[12:05] <n> PM: Eveybody has always said 'Yeah but look how long it takes to boot' - I need to get this sorted!
[12:05] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: one solution would just be to merge everything into one bookmarks list, but some people wouldn't like that
[12:05] <PM-aSeepin> nikkia:  OR you could just put an option in kcontrol that lets you select the bookmark file manually under an advanced tab :D
[12:05] <PM-aSeepin> can I tell firefox to use the same bookmark list konqueror does?
[12:06] <n> noboduy here knows nothing about suspend to disk then right?
[12:06] <PM-aSeepin> n:  i would imagine its 'suspend'
[12:06] <PM-aSeepin> just open a shell and type: sudo suspend
[12:06] <PM-aSeepin> see what happens
[12:07] <n> PM: How do I add that command to the KDE log out screen though?
[12:07] <PM-aSeepin> n i don't know, but you could EASILY put a shortcut to application on your desktop
[12:07] <PM-aSeepin> right click desktop, select create new, then link to applicatioon
[12:07] <n> I cry kludge, dear sir!
[12:08] <PM-aSeepin> under the "command" item, put: kdesu suspend
[12:08] <n> aha!
[12:08] <PM-aSeepin> soemone would have to hack kde to put it ont he shutdown menu ;)
[12:09] <PM-aSeepin> how do i change my default browser?
[12:09] <PM-aSeepin> found it
[12:16] <jpatrick> hmm..
[12:16] <jpatrick> Kexi works here :/
[12:22] <spiral> hmmm, could anyone here recommand me a mail biffing client in order to check the large amount of accounts I have without taking an icon by account on my tray as korn wants to do ?
[12:22] <PM-aSeepin> does anybody happen to know of a GOOD AMV site.. something with lots of good (and hopefully rare) downloads?
[12:23] <PM-aSeepin> there are some videos that I love that Im having trouble finding
[12:43] <alessandro> hi
[12:43] <jpatrick> lo
[12:45] <alessandro> just switched to kubunto from mandrivia... i'am really impressed
[12:45] <jpatrick> :)
[12:45] <seaLne> cool :)
[12:46] <alessandro> my pc is really faster now
[12:48] <probono> hi all, is there a "Colony 3" kubuntu live cd yet?
[12:53] <spiral> probono: I suppose the daily cds should not be too far from it...
[12:54] <probono> where do i get the daily cds?
[01:30] <mexican> Hi
[01:31] <mexican> perrps
[01:31] <mexican> bla bla
[01:31] <mexican> whats crackin fools?
[01:54] <toolman> So havn't seen any conversation in here
[01:55] <toolman> does anyone talk about kubuntu?
[01:55] <pointwood> yes
[01:55] <gdh> just usually later in the day
[01:55] <toolman> hehe righto;
[01:56] <toolman> when is the hot time? international :D
[01:56] <pointwood> dunno
[01:56] <pointwood> F1 is going to start shortly, so...
[01:58] <pointwood> afk
[01:58] <toolman> yep watching now
[01:58] <toolman> schui at the back
[02:03] <toolman> go!
[02:03] <xpnoob> hi
[02:04] <toolman> xpn00b :D
[02:04] <toolman> wasup
[02:04] <xpnoob>  :0(
[02:04] <xpnoob> :-)
[02:04] <xpnoob> im ok tnx
[02:04] <toolman> so, er, like kubuntu?
[02:04] <xpnoob> just got postfix running 
[02:04] <toolman> tight
[02:04] <xpnoob> yea
[02:04] <xpnoob> kubuntu is cool
[02:04] <toolman> yay for the default channel :D
[02:04] <xpnoob> :)
[02:04] <toolman> watching F1?
[02:05] <xpnoob> ehm, saw a little this morning
[02:05] <toolman> lve now
[02:05] <toolman> lIve
[02:05] <xpnoob> ah :-)
[02:05] <xpnoob> i was too busy putting mail back up online
[02:05] <toolman> so why (k)ubuntu?
[02:05] <toolman> hehe
[02:05] <xpnoob> because its easy to install and has alot of features? 
[02:06] <xpnoob> ive been a windows user for years and years. just on linux for one week now
[02:06] <toolman> its the linux that removed windows one and for all :D
[02:06] <xpnoob> and ill never go back, tnx to kubuntu ;)
[02:06] <toolman> yeah safe
[02:06] <xpnoob> ya
[02:06] <buz> same here
[02:06] <toolman> a few grumbled with kubuntu  tho
[02:06] <xpnoob> heh
[02:06] <buz> i cant wait for kde4
[02:06] <ralph1> same here
[02:06] <toolman> just got the kaffeine fix
[02:07] <toolman> makes that player mcuh nicer
[02:07] <xpnoob> yea, kde is going fast 
[02:07] <buz> i think kaffeine is effectively still broken in 3.4.2 right
[02:07] <buz> i use xine anyhow ;)
[02:07] <toolman> yeah i used gnome for about 3 monthsd
[02:07] <toolman> would like it but its too slow :(
[02:09] <nik> can anyone help me solve the problem of my internet being slower in kubuntu than in xp
[02:09] <xpnoob> still?
[02:09] <toolman> well u need to decide what is slower;
[02:09] <toolman> modem or broadbad?
[02:09] <toolman> aNd
[02:09] <nik> broadband
[02:10] <toolman> how much slower? whats your test?
[02:10] <nik> if itmatters i get itnernet through another computer and taht computer is connected to a college LAN
[02:10] <nik> abotu 4 times slower
[02:10] <nik> 5*
[02:10] <toolman> so..
[02:10] <toolman> downloading http?
[02:10] <toolman>  or EVERYTHING?
[02:11] <nik> http and ftp
[02:11] <toolman> got kubuntu?
[02:11] <nik> yup
[02:12] <toolman> umm well only thing i can think of is to see if something else is sending traffic
[02:12] <nik> how woudl i go about taht
[02:12] <toolman> ie chewing up 4/5th of your bandwtith?
[02:12] <toolman> umm "sudo tcpdump -i eth0"
[02:13] <nik> ok
[02:13] <toolman> and it will speww out packets till u hit control c
[02:13] <nik> does it say how much bandwitdh its taking ?
[02:13] <toolman> so dont do anything and see if u are still getting lots of packets
[02:13] <toolman> umm not very human readable
[02:13] <xpnoob> lol
[02:13] <toolman> there is a a k app
[02:14] <toolman> ksysguard
[02:14] <xpnoob> if you can read 100 lines/sec...
[02:14] <nik> lol
[02:14] <nikkia> its perfectly readable for its intended audience
[02:14] <toolman> hehe if u getting 100 linesa sed then u got traffic!
[02:14] <xpnoob> :-)
[02:14] <toolman> but ksysguard has a nice eth graph/logger
[02:14] <toolman> so check that out :D
[02:15] <toolman> but do u think its a  config prob?
[02:15] <nik> ok and umm another thing someone reccomended to check my network settings in xp and kubuntu and compare them which setttings shoudl i check
[02:15] <nikkia> nik, that was me, and as i said 'all of them'
[02:15] <toolman> well if u are actually getting traffic only thing that comes to mind is duplex settigs
[02:15] <nik> o ya t was u whre can i find a list of "all of them " in xp
[02:15] <toolman> but dont know much about config of thatin linux
[02:16] <nikkia> nik, its not all in one place
[02:16] <toolman> and would only expect 1/2 speed not 1/5 speed
[02:16] <nikkia> toolman: it might be the LAN is using odd MTU or something
[02:16] <toolman> yeah godo call
[02:16] <toolman> good
[02:16] <nikkia> but there are just too many variables
[02:16] <nikkia> it could even just be a badly supported network card driver
[02:16] <nik> umm so stil werhe are the settigns in xp?
[02:17] <nikkia> nik, Control Panel/Network Connections
[02:17] <nikkia> in a command window, ipconfig will show some of them
[02:19] <benje> salut et bye
[02:26] <kittychan> i was juast askin
[02:34] <Kitty-Kun> how can i break a 40 MB file into 10MB parts?
[02:34] <buz> i'm sure dd can to that somehow ;)
[02:34] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: split -b=10M
[02:34] <nikkia> you might want to specify a prefix too
[02:34] <nikkia> and perhaps -d
[02:35] <Kitty-Kun> how do i use that (give me the context)
[02:35] <nikkia> but man split will tell you all
[02:35] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun:    split -d -b=10m some_big_file.zip   some_big_file.
[02:35] <nikkia> will produce some_big_file.001,  some_big_file.002, some_big_file.003  and some_big_file.004
[02:36] <nikkia> sorry, 01, 02, 03, and 04
[02:36] <nikkia> if you want 3 digit extensions, use -a=3 in there too
[02:36] <Kitty-Kun> and then how do i put them back together
[02:36] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: that's easy :)
[02:37] <Kitty-Kun> Ok, so tell me how it's done
[02:37] <nikkia> 'cat some_big_file.0* > some_big_file.zip
[02:37] <Kitty-Kun> or tar.gz if was originally a tar.gz file, right?
[02:37] <nikkia> yeah, whatever
[02:38] <Kitty-Kun> and how do i make a tar.gz file from a folder from the command line?
[02:38] <nikkia> tar zxvf /tmp/my_files.tar.gz  ~/My_Files
[02:38] <nikkia> assuming My_Files is the directory to tar, and its in your home directory
[02:39] <nikkia> erm, sorry
[02:39] <nikkia> tar zcvf /tmp/my_files.tar.gz  ~/My_Files
[02:39] <nikkia> c = Create, x = eXtract
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> off the top of your heads, does anyone know how to search for something in limewire and have an EXCLUSION (example, i would like to search for "blonde" without returning anything that contains "xxx"
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> cause im searching for "kid rock trigun cowboy" and I'm GETTING lots of porn
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> a search for "final fantasy silence" reveals a video from a fisting site, three beastiality movies (one involving a dehydrated cat, which i dont understand), and so on and so forth
[02:42] <Kitty-Kun> ok
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> while i like porn, and have a decent ever-growing collection.. when im searching for AMV's, I don't wanna know what some guy did to his 14yo sister (who looks a lot more like thirty-five)
[02:43] <Kitty-Kun> ok, how do i split a file named mew.tar.gz into 10 MB chunks?
[02:45] <Kitty-Kun> what's the command line command to eject a cd?
[02:46] <Kitty-Kun> nvm i figured it out
[02:47] <Kitty-Kun> i meant the split
[02:47] <Kitty-Kun> not how to eject the cd
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> Kitty-Kun:  i'd use rar to split the file... i think either tar or gzip or bz2 (I know for sure) can do it, but RAR seems to make the pieces indestructable :D
[02:49] <nik> isnt it jsut eject btw?
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> yes
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> eject to eject the cd
[02:49] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: using the 'split' command is the right answer, rar'ing instead of tar.gz is just a hack
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> eject -t
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> to close it
[02:50] <Kitty-Kun> anything else need to be in the command?
[02:50] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: either the device path or the mount path
[02:50] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  rar packages in such a way as it seems like files are FAR less likely to be damaged or corrupted during transfer than any other packaging method *I* have seen.. YMMV
[02:50] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: and if they're going to be installed on a system without unrar ?
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  you dont need either of those to eject a cd or close the tray as long as you only have one drive :P~
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> who doesnt have unrar?
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> heh
[02:51] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: if you're uploading to a web server that doesn't have rar, and you don't have root permissions, you're going to be SOL with rar
[02:51] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: LOTS of hosting providers' web servers
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> hell, I actually OWN a license to rar up to like 2.21 or something like that
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  fair enough
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> yeah if you dont break the file and the upload is web-based you'll be screwed
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> i hate that limit, but its understandable i guess
[02:52] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: if that IS what you're doing, i'd suggest breaking it into smaller chunks than 10MB
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah like 4 - 6
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> no bigger than 8
[02:52] <nikkia> while 10MB is the limit, i'd be very careful about going 'right to the limit'
[02:53] <Kitty-Kun> no, i'm sending a kernel i configured for my girlfriend to her through gmail
[02:53] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: then it'll need to be smaller than 10MB
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> gmail is php right?
[02:53] <nikkia> much smaller, in fact, cos the encoding phase will add about 1/3 more
[02:53] <Kitty-Kun> i put it to 10000000 bytes
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> err
[02:53] <Kitty-Kun> so it's a bit smaller
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> nvm
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> im retarded
[02:53] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: its not the php, its the message size limit
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> EYE SOFA KING WE TODD DID
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  yah
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> but on web based systems its the php limit heh
[02:54] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: its probably not going to send if its over about 7MB
[02:54] <Kitty-Kun> it's been sending fine
[02:54] <nikkia> and gmail is annoying, it *quietly* rejects them
[02:54] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: are they getting received?
[02:54] <Kitty-Kun> ... o... k...
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> ive only seen like 2 email clients worth a shit lately
[02:54] <nikkia> because when i have people send me big files, they go into gmail's trash, without it telling me or them, if its over a certain size
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> kmail is actually nice
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> and i really like thunderbird
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> i hated netscape and mozilla's mail programs
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> but thunderbird is the shiznit
[02:55] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: everyone did :)
[02:55] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i used to use pine during the netscape era, their mail client was THAT bad
[02:55] <stizoner> lol
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> pine was nice
[02:55] <pointwood> I prefer thunderbird as well
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> i played a mud for about three years
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> and we had no choice
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> inter-server mail was delivered through pine
[02:56] <pointwood> tried using kontact, but it's IMAP is sloooow
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> thank god pico rules the world of editors
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, start and editor war
[02:56] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, PurpleMotion
[02:56] <pointwood> furthermore, thunderbirds spamfilter is working nicely
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> ooh, thats a bug
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> !start an editor war
[02:56] <ubotu> jed is better than xemacs
[02:57] <nikkia> that one's not very convincing
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> i get spam, spamassassin sends them back a copy with a nice "no thanks" cover sheet :D
[02:57] <stizoner> i miss my tahoma font!
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> whats not very convincing?
[02:57] <nikkia> jed being better than xemacs
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> yeah jed sucks
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> know what editor i REALLY liked?
[02:58] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: and i get so much spam, i have to use whitelisting, server-side spam filtering *AND* client side
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> i was at home from day one
[02:58] <nikkia> i still see about 10-20 of the 2000+ spams i get sent a day
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> when i started using BSDi/FreeBSD for orion.dal.net, It's default text editor was ee
[02:58] <pointwood> uh oh...whitelisting...
[02:58] <stizoner> i have gotten like 5 spam mails in my whole life, its peoples own fault they get spam
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  i have a seperate signups@daede.com
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> i dont care how bad it gets spammed
[02:59] <stizoner> doing what PurpleMotion just did, if theres a bot in here to catch that... its got it
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> it's just for when some bs site requires an account
[02:59] <nikkia> pointwood: sad thing is, most spam solutions seem to be starting to get around whitelisting
[02:59] <pointwood> stizoner: what's your email addy?
[02:59] <pointwood> :p
[02:59] <stizoner> stizoner@hotmale.cum
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> stizoner:  like the nick. now, what the hell are you talking about? :D what'd i just do?
[02:59] <pointwood> stizoner: and no, it's just you that haven't got any friends :p
[02:59] <stizoner> i email my online hookers
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> but not many people at all get their hands on jay@daede.com
[03:00] <pointwood> nikkia: that's pretty impressive
[03:00] <pointwood> the thunderbird spam filter catches almost all the spam I get
[03:00] <seaLne> stizoner: spam is inevitable if you use your email address
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> stizoner
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> dude
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> im stizoned
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> hehehe
[03:00] <nikkia> pointwood: oh, it catches most of what gets thru my server-side stuff
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> (watch it stand for stipple zoner or some shit)
[03:00] <stizoner> no its not, if you read what you signing up for and not check boxes for "special offers" and use fake email when you can get away with it...
[03:01] <nikkia> seaLne: i've been using my email addresses for 10 years, which is why i get so much :(
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> stizoner:  except some of them lump all that shit into a TOS and dont give you the OPTION
[03:01] <stizoner> and dont give your email out 2 people who are idiots (if they have a hotmail or yahoo email there automatically)
[03:01] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: and some of them just plain LIE
[03:01] <stizoner> then dont sign up
[03:01] <nikkia> even if you don't sign up for squat, you'll STILL get spammed if you're unlucky
[03:01] <nikkia> for example...
[03:02] <pointwood> yeha
[03:02] <nikkia> i created a obscure username on my domain...
[03:02] <pointwood> * yeah
[03:02] <nikkia> didn't do anything for 3 days, no spam, emailed it once via yahoo, spam rolls in
[03:02] <pointwood> heh
[03:02] <nikkia> yahoo must be selling receipient names from their database
[03:02] <stizoner> if you use yahoo your going 2 get spam
[03:02] <nikkia> stizoner: no, point was, the only thing i did, was email the new account from another, unconnected, yahoo account
[03:03] <PurpleMotion> stizoner:  in a day and age where everyone has their own domain, and hosting companies always give you 'unlimited' email acounts, i just opted to create signups@daede.com.. when i sign up to some site, of course i check it, click the activation link, then empty it
[03:03] <nikkia> stizoner: ergo, yahoo must have stored the 'to' address and sold it to spam lists
[03:03] <pointwood> that's pretty low of yahoo :( hadn't expected them to sink that low :(
[03:03] <PurpleMotion> I've received about 15 total pieces of spam to jay@daede.com
[03:03] <nikkia> stizoner: ergo, even if you're careful, if one of your friends uses yahoo, you're going to get spammed when your friend emails you, then yahoo sells your email address
[03:03] <PurpleMotion> yah yahoo makes no illusions.. you use their free service, you WILL be solicited while you're on it.
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> a good number of the bots you see on yahoo are actually AUTHORIZED from yahoo.. i.e. they PAID for the right to spam chat rooms
[03:04] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: but... the recipient of a yahoo user's email has made no contract with yahoo, what right do they have to sell that email address?
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> they dont
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> and i find it real hard to believe yahoo does that
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> real hard
[03:04] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: there's a big distinction between you using an email to sign up with yahoo, and some yahoo user just emailing YOU
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> i had to work pretty closely with some yahoo TOS/AUp people
[03:05] <stizoner> its not free free it cost something, spam...
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> and i find it extremely difficult to believe that yahoo takes the emails of people you send email to and get email from and uses them for further solicitation
[03:05] <nikkia> the experiment i did was about 20-22 months ago, so perhaps yahoo has cleaned up, but i doubt it
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> in fact, im gonna have to go ahead and say you gotta prove that one to me
[03:06] <stizoner> some viruses catch every email adress on somebodys computer so when they send you an email you get spam after
[03:06] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: try it yourself, create an email address that is obscure, then use an unconnected yahoo account to email it
[03:06] <nikkia> wait a couple of days, and the spam will start
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> i worked with them on our project about a year and a half ago
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> to which account?
[03:07] <PurpleMotion> the one you mailed from or the one you just created
[03:07] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: the account you created
[03:07] <nikkia> ie, the recipient of the test mail
[03:08] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  yahoo's advertisers (the people who spam you) get a daily updated list of every single yahoo member sorted by vital account statistics (last seen online being the main one)
[03:08] <PurpleMotion> the spam starts because the spammers have added you to their lists
[03:08] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: erm, no, you're missing the point
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> this list is also not very heavily guarded... there's a room on Undernet where they do NOTHING but share the daily updated list daily ;)
[03:09] <nikkia> the point wasn't that the yahoo account got spammed, but that the account that was non-yahoo, that was only ever mailed ONCE from a yahoo account, suddenly started receiving spam after being mailed from a yahoo account
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> ah
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> i misread you then
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> i should try that
[03:09] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: as i said, they MIGHT have cleaned up, but i doubt it
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> i should send an email from computer__Guru@yahoo.com to someNewAcct@daede.com
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> and see what happens
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> nikkia:  i just cant see them doing something like that
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[03:10] <stizoner> say your email 20 more times, lol
[03:11] <stizoner> jk lol
[03:13] <stizoner> after i ever finish setting up this thing im so making a disk image, no way im every going through all those sudo this and sudo that commands
[03:13] <stizoner> again*
[03:14] <jpatrick> then do sudo -i
[03:15] <nik> is there any place in kubuntu where it jsut says a long list of network settings so i can compare them to xp
[03:15] <stizoner> lol
[03:15] <stizoner> your missing the point
[03:15] <stizoner> no way i remembered or wrote down or enjoyed any of it, nor do i still messing with crap
[03:16] <stizoner> god forbid a gui and mouse
[03:16] <stizoner> evil
[03:16] <stizoner> problem is its not 'geeky' enough
[03:16] <stizoner> not geek cool 
[03:17] <stizoner> till that changes bill will be rolling in piles of money while laughing at the poor geeks and there uber cool consol comands
[03:18] <nik> where in kubuntu can i find a long list of very possible network setting
[03:18] <stizoner> k /end rant
[03:18] <stizoner> lol
[03:18] <stizoner> control center
[03:19] <nik> ya but is there a way to jsut list alt he settings in one place
[03:19] <nik> and not go to one place to find oen thign to another for the next
[03:27] <nik> im tryign to run control center in administrator mode but every time i type my password it jsut refreshes into normal non administrator mode
[03:29] <nik> anybody here?
[03:31] <jpatrick> yeah
[03:34] <nik> hi
[03:34] <nik> the administrator mode doesnt work in control center
[03:35] <nik> whats its real name
[03:35] <nik> kontrocenter or kcontrolcenter or sumtin?
[03:35] <nik> i wanan try to run it in sudo
[03:36] <jpatrick> do kdesu kcontrol in Run command
[03:43] <pl_ice> borin'
[03:43] <stizoner> ever since i upgraded to i686 smp kernel kde stuff has been crashing left and right
[03:48] <jpatrick> What does the smp have that the others don't?
[03:49] <paines> hi
[03:49] <seaLne> grr breezy did something nasty to my dual head matrox card its displaying the same thing on both heads :(
[03:51] <mornfall> xorg upgrades rock, don't they :)
[03:51] <mornfall> you never know what happens
[03:51] <buz> tho they arent quite as cool as the preview to final kubuntu upgrade that shredded all kde settings
[03:51] <seaLne> i vaguely remember using some matrox utility when i originaly setup debian
[03:52] <paines> is there bugs page  for breezy ?
[03:52] <seaLne> mornfall: it wasn't just the ugrade, afaik the card must have been reset or something to have changed
[03:53] <pl_ice> when is the date for new ubunt? can't remember...
[03:53] <seaLne> 10/10
[03:53] <mornfall> seaLne: well, my matrox card went all wonky after xorg install
[03:53] <mornfall> seaLne: had to cold-reboot to get it work
[03:53] <mornfall> properly
[03:53] <pl_ice> :] 
[03:53] <gdh> mornfall: howdy :)
[03:53] <mornfall> gdh: hey :)
[03:53] <seaLne> mornfall: worth a try rather than trying to find the matrox tool :)
[03:53] <gdh> breezy made me have to run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver - it otherwise complained there was no keyboard (?!)
[03:54] <gdh> weird shit, but there you go.
[03:55] <gdh> mornfall: adept needs a lot more in the way of user feedback :)
[03:55] <mornfall> gdh: what user feedback? :)
[03:56] <seaLne> bah nope still mirrored
[03:56] <pl_ice> c ya later
[03:57] <mornfall> gdh: got it running?
[03:57] <gdh> mornfall: er, how do you get it to actually install a new package? I right click on e.g. aa3d, select 'install-package' .. then press 'Apply'
[03:57] <gdh> mornfall: and all that happens is state: "" appears in the filter list
[03:57] <mornfall> gdh: erk! :-)
[03:57] <mornfall> gdh: that apply is for a filter
[03:58] <gdh> mornfall: It's not terribly intuitive as to what anything does :/
[03:58] <mornfall> gdh: i will make it more obvious that the left hand pane is for filtering...
[03:58] <gdh> cool
[03:58] <mornfall> and i'll make it "apply filter" the text on a button i guess
[03:59] <gdh> so how do I actually get it to install a package?
[03:59] <gdh> I guess safe upgrade is 'apt-get upgrade' and full upgrade is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[03:59] <mornfall> gdh: there is a big toolbar thingy "Commit Changes" in there... you really should be using text-under-icons on toolbars
[03:59] <mornfall> gdh: guessing right
[04:00] <seaLne> hmm weird installing kde-devel wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <gdh> mornfall: Ah! the 'commit changes' icon is a grey tick-mark - it looks like it's greyed out -> unclickable
[04:00] <gdh> but yes it does work :)
[04:00] <mornfall> gdh: that's fault of your icon theme :p
[04:00] <mornfall> it's green here
[04:01] <mornfall> and it has text stating "Commit Changes" under it
[04:01] <gdh> I don't show the text :)
[04:01] <mornfall> adept is really designed to have text under the icons
[04:01] <mornfall> i don't do the overcrowded-toolbar thing
[04:02] <mornfall> that's why there's no safe upgrade in the toolbar either...
[04:02] <mornfall> it'll get "preview changes" button
[04:02] <mornfall> and that is probably about it
[04:02] <mornfall> maybe undo/redo will go there
[04:02] <gdh> mornfall: Pressing 'Full Upgrade' does nothing - if there truly are no updates to receive, maybe tell the user that?
[04:02] <mornfall> but i am not sure yet
[04:02] <mornfall> gdh: it marks all the upgradable packages for upgrade
[04:03] <mornfall> gdh: maybe i'll make it switch to preview mode?
[04:03] <gdh> Ah, I see ... yeh pressing Commit changes actually retrieves the updates... again not obvious with a package list thousands of lines long :)
[04:03] <mornfall> gdh: i'd hate to pop up a dialog with "x packages marked for upgrade, etc"
[04:03] <mornfall> dialogs are evil
[04:04] <gdh> I agree - but how about a status bar then with a summary of what will happen in 'commit changes' ? showing the number of new packages to install / upgrade / delete?
[04:04] <mornfall> gdh: as i say, the reasonable option would be probably to switch to preview changes mode (which isn't implemented just yet)
[04:04] <mornfall> yes, statusbar...
[04:04] <mornfall> could do :)
[04:05] <mornfall> gdh: i'm wondering if someone ever finds out that the arrow on the left in the package list is clickable ;-)
[04:05] <mornfall> ideas how to make that obvious? (i don't have any...)
[04:05] <mornfall> maybe hint that in a tooltip or something
[04:06] <gdh> mornfall: funny- I just found that by accident :)
[04:06] <gdh> Perhaps use the [+]  icon as a tree list since people are more familiar with that?
[04:06] <mornfall> gdh: many styles use an arrow nowadays
[04:06] <gdh> I have a blue 'play' icon like from a music player - again dunno if that's whatever theme I have
[04:07] <gdh> mornfall: I'm thinking newbies coming from Windows, really.
[04:08] <gdh> mornfall: or how about a 'More information' in the context menu for each package rather than just the 'install-package' option?
[04:08] <gdh> so More Information would do the same as clicking the Play icon.
[04:08] <mornfall> gdh: you are one big play icon :p
[04:09] <mornfall> gdh: and install-package is internal name, that's "not yet fixed"
[04:09] <gdh> I think that's a compliment :)
[04:09] <mornfall> gdh: http://web.ekhis.org/adept-icons.png
[04:10] <mornfall> i guess i will have to package the nuvola icons with adept
[04:10] <mornfall> they are just so much better
[04:11] <gdh> hm that is rather pleasant
[04:12] <mornfall> and i need riddell to make text-below-icons default, with a normal-1 sized font
[04:12] <mornfall> and uncrowd the toolbars in other apps :)
[04:12] <mornfall> ah btw, the buttons in the extender don't work yet ;-)
[04:13] <gdh> I prefer no text due to to a smallish screen .. (1024x768)
[04:13] <gdh> for busy toolbars in complex apps, there's just no space for it
[04:13] <mornfall> right, that's why the toolbars need to be fixed
[04:14] <gdh> ha nice, it segfaulted when I exited.
[04:14] <mornfall> there should only be one toolbar and only ~7 buttons on it
[04:14] <mornfall> gdh: bah!
[04:14] <mornfall> gdh: stacktrace?
[04:14] <gdh> I have the info from the backtrace if you're interested?
[04:14] <mornfall> gdh: rafb.net/paste please
[04:14] <gdh> heh http://pastebin.ca/20631
[04:14] <gdh> was already in the process of pasting :)
[04:14] <mornfall> or whatever :)
[04:15] <mornfall> gdh: ah yeah extenders
[04:15] <mornfall> gdh: they aren't handled extremely well yet :-)
[04:15] <gdh> ah no worries then
[04:16] <seaLne> is there a big change currently with xorg moving to mesa?
[04:17] <seaLne> kde-devel depends on libgl1-mesa yet kubuntu-desktop depends libgl1-xorg
[04:19] <mornfall> crashes => no good
[04:20] <mornfall> this is what you get when you end the app with ctrl+c from controlling terminal ;)
[04:42] <Bags> Hi room. 
[04:42] <ray_> hello
[04:43] <ray_> how would i go about changing the default movie player in konqeror?
[04:43] <Bags> Got a G3 Lombard laptop and I can't get the OS to charge the Battery or to enable the standby mode. 
[04:43] <stizoner> sounds like a fancy car
[04:44] <Bags> stizoner: It's the most asthetically beautiful laptop ever made IMHO...
[04:44] <ray_> Bags: did you try the laptop settings in kcontrol
[04:45] <Bags> ray_: I certainly did, but the APM Config Setup Helper Application seems to do nothing. 
[04:46] <Bags> ray_: I log in with my root pswd and then nothing happens. 
[04:46] <ray_> Bags: well did you set up a root account
[04:46] <ray_> Bags: you should really never log in as root
[04:47] <Bags> ray_: I'm sorry, what I mean is that when I click the APM Config Setup Helper Application, it asks for the root pswd to continue, I enter it, and then nothing happens. 
[04:48] <Bags> ray_: I'll check the bugs lists and do some googling. 
[04:49] <Bags> ray_: See what I can find out about it. 
[04:49] <ray_> Bags: in the terminal type             kdesu kcontrol
[04:49] <Bags> ray_: As usr? 
[04:49] <stizoner> #ubuntu= buncha gnome nazis
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> :P
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> which will run better on a 500MHz processor: GNOME or KDE?
[04:50] <stizoner> xfce
[04:50] <stizoner> lol
[04:50] <ray_> Kitty-Kun: yeah xfce is nice
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> ok
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> is it available as a package for kubuntu?
[04:51] <ray_> Kitty-Kun: yeah it is called xfce4
[04:51] <ray_> how would i go about changing the default movie player in konqeror?
[04:51] <stizoner> looks wise its my fav, features wise it leaves something 2 be desired
[04:51] <ray_> Bags: yes as a your normal account
[04:52] <Bags> ray_: Same problem. 
[04:52] <ray_> Bags: whats the problem again?
[04:53] <Bags> ray_: The battery is not being charged, Enable Standby and Enable Suspend are disabled. 
[04:53] <Bags> ray_: These two options are greyed out. 
[04:53] <ray_> Bags: and even when you go in there with kdesu it doesnt let you enable it?
[04:53] <Bags> ray_: The Battery is sitting there doing nothing. 
[04:54] <Bags> ray_: Yes, that's right. Almost as if the modules aren't running. 
[04:55] <ray_> Bags: make sure you have the package klaptopdaemon
[04:55] <seaLne> Bags: have you upgraded kde? see /topic
[04:55] <seaLne> there were bugs in kcontrol
[04:57] <ray_> yeah 3.4.2 is much nicer
[04:58] <Bags> Thanks guys. I've got it downloading the updates. I'll let you know how I go. 
[04:58] <Bags> time for bed, though. 
[04:59] <Bags> it's 1:00am here...
[05:07] <nik> is there a command or program taht displays every system information in particular network settings in a list
[05:08] <jpatrick> Anyone know how I can format a floppy from the command line? (KFloppy doesn't want to work)
[05:10] <nik> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_floppy.htm
[05:20] <nikkia> gah, the cpanel installer has to be the worst script ever written
[05:24] <nikkia> it has like 100 hosts in its mirrors list, and tries each in turn, using wget --timeout=500 to do a ping test, unfortunately, most of the sites are just dead, and dropping packets, so each time it tries to access those, it sits for 500 seconds until the timeout occurs
[05:24] <nikkia> problem is, of the 10 gazillion packages it downloads, it tries the whole mirror list for each
[05:33] <ray_> how would i go about changing the default movie player in konqeror?
[05:34] <copernic> anyone running breezy here?
[05:34] <copernic> I am planning to upgrade, wanted to ask if there are any surprises...
[05:34] <ray_> why upgrade?
[05:40] <copernic> ray_: I need latest ruby packages
[05:41] <ray_> cant you get them for hoary
[05:41] <copernic> nope, the ones in hoary are scewed up
[05:42] <copernic> and there are no backports
[05:43] <ray_> what about the source
[05:44] <ray_> i mean you can try breezy but i heard stuff is still broken
[05:44] <copernic> I see, which stuff generally?
[05:45] <stizoner> stuff plenty broken in the release but im sure its mostly stuff out of there control
[05:45] <stizoner> kde.. other apps.. stuff
[05:45] <ray_> i think even xorg is broken
[05:46] <copernic> oups :)
[05:46] <stizoner> ive done plenty of bitchin the last week about linux/kubuntu (plenty of reason 2) but im releaved in a way. becasuse...
[05:46] <ray_> ?
[05:48] <ray_> because.........?
[05:48] <stizoner> the issue of using linux over windows really has nothing 2 do with the OS itself for me its the morals of the whole thing, paying min $80 for a disc you can only use on one pc is wrong, its like saying i buy a cd and use it in my car.. thats the only place i can use it, i like the idea of free 2, not just because of $ but freedom in general, freedom is a good thing for humanity
[05:49] <EasterSunshine> stizoner: agreed. when i saw the frontpage of ubuntulinux.org i was like, omg i am downloading this distro from these nice awesome ppl
[05:49] <ray_> everything works great for me in linux.....there is not one thing that i can do in windows that i cant do in linux........except for shockwave
[05:50] <stizoner> yeah i read the interview with the guy behind all this on slashdot i think it was... seemed big about the freedom of it all more then any sort of $ goal
[05:51] <ray_> i meant can do in linux
[05:51] <ray_> came out wrong
[05:51] <ray_> naw he doesnt want money
[05:51] <copernic> ray_: I still think there are annoyances
[05:51] <ray_> i hate the idea of distros that you have to pay for
[05:51] <ray_> copernic: like?
[05:52] <copernic> like kde flickering, and konqueror redrawing pages
[05:52] <copernic> these are small things but still many find it ugly
[05:52] <ray_> hmm.......i dont have that problem
[05:52] <EasterSunshine> copernic: yes...i have that problem too...but i couldn't care less
[05:52] <stizoner> i dont mind the idea of payin for one as long as it has a free version to, like the way redhat does it
[05:52] <ray_> blah
[05:53] <EasterSunshine> what would be soo good about an enterprise linux that we should pay for it? support that comes with?
[05:53] <EasterSunshine> software?
[05:53] <ray_> i guess
[05:53] <copernic> ray_: your apps don't flicker when you switch tabs?
[05:53] <ray_> copernic: nope
[05:54] <stizoner> but far as the particular linux distro of choice for me it was all about having kde and debian apt-get distro with decent repositorys
[05:54] <copernic> ray_: sorry, cannot believe it, it has been there for every kde release on every distro I've tried
[05:54] <ray_> i am using the fglrx drivers.......maybe that makes a difference?
[05:54] <stizoner> oh and debian itself i tried and it was slower then death, not that kubuntu is fast its no fedora or slackware, those are the 2 fastest ive tried
[05:55] <EasterSunshine> copernic: same here...do you have the problem that konqueror draws webpages slowly and has to be restarted about every 48 hours because it starts to freeze up?
[05:55] <ray_> fedora fast? are you on crack
[05:55] <ray_> rpm distros are the slowest out there
[05:55] <EasterSunshine> i thought kubuntu was really fast
[05:55] <copernic> EasterSunshine: well, I haven't used konqueror for that long time :)
[05:55] <ray_> kubuntu is ten times faster than fedora for me
[05:56] <EasterSunshine> copernic: i think its like one of those bugs that goes unnoticed, and i have it too
[05:56] <copernic> EasterSunshine: it does not have anything to do with distros
[05:56] <copernic> ray_: actually that feel of "slowness" have put many friends of mine from even trying linux
[05:56] <stizoner> konqueror is horrid, and firefox from the distros wasnt much better, im fairly keen to tweaking firefox because i did in windows, so i got i686 release and installed it and tweaked it myself, drastic difference
[05:56] <copernic> I don't want them to try Gnome because that one is even slower
[05:57] <stizoner> from the repositorys*
[05:57] <ray_> copernic: not me.......my linux boots faster than windows and runs faster than windows hands down
[05:57] <copernic> ray: what's your hardware?
[05:57] <ray_> brb
[05:57] <stizoner> you must have a really messed up windows then, but ive worked at tweakin it (from what i can figure out) and its almost as fast as windows
[05:58] <stizoner> my setup
[05:58] <stizoner> p4 2.8, 1024mb...
[06:00] <EasterSunshine> firefox is a very lightweight browser it seems, i want something really really heavyweight with local filesystem browsing as well and maybe an intergrated konsole, konversation, kopete, and a whole bunch of other unrealistic things
[06:00] <stizoner> lol
[06:01] <EasterSunshine> ugh you guys and your kick-ass comps...i have p3 400 with 256 rams here
[06:01] <stizoner> good god
[06:01] <copernic> I have p4 1.7 512 rams
[06:01] <EasterSunshine> this is my better comp...and stop copying me term "rams"
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i have a 8086
[06:01] <stizoner> they well nice linux systems at walmart.com for $199
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> just not using it :P
[06:01] <copernic> EasterSunshine: and you're running firefox on that animal?
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> copernic: people run firefox on p1 200 with 96m RAM... 
[06:02] <EasterSunshine> copernic: no, i am running konqueror, koversation, smb server, apache2, postfix, and a whole bunch of other servers
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know, i gavve them the bocx
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> *box
[06:02] <copernic> Kamping_Kaiser: God help them
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> meh, they get it free
[06:02] <EasterSunshine> sometimes when i put my foot inside my box, it freezes
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yeh, hope the y are patient
[06:03] <copernic> EasterSunshine: I have the same
[06:03] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: erm, firefox does local filesystem browsing
[06:03] <nikkia> it even does smb browsing, but sadly, thats a windows only feature atm
[06:03] <copernic> EasterSunshine: it's the power cables that lead to hard drive I suppose
[06:03] <taw> hello
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi taw
[06:03] <EasterSunshine> nikkia: browsing, but not really the same konqeuror does it, its like text-based
[06:03] <taw> how do i configure webmin to work with kubuntu ?
[06:03] <taw> there's no root passwd, y'know ;-)
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> dunno. I'll pass you on :)
[06:03] <copernic> taw: create a root account for 5 minutes
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> and go to bed :)
[06:04] <taw> copernic: ... and ?
[06:04] <stizoner> i yelled enough in #ubuntu frustrated and someone help me setup root
[06:04] <copernic> and create a password for root
[06:04] <copernic> then login
[06:04] <taw> yeah, but webmin seems to have own passwd system
[06:05] <taw> i can't login to webmin with my root passwd
[06:05] <nikkia> taw, i consider that a bug in the webmin setup scripts, tbh, yes, webmin DOES need a root password set, at least until you create a safer admin account ('root' as the webmin admin is considered a security hole, as its easy to dictionary attack, especially since everyone leaves it as the default 'root' on port 10000 :)
[06:05] <copernic> nope, just normal root username and password
[06:05] <stizoner> i prefer if i have to do something needs root privy id rather login as root then learn commands
[06:05] <stizoner> people say "oh just type this..." no way ill ever remember commands
[06:05] <stizoner> lol
[06:05] <nikkia> stizoner: then don't ask us to help when you're PC has had a root kit attack :P
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[06:06] <nikkia> s/you're/your'
[06:06] <copernic> see ya
[06:06] <nikkia> gah, ykwim
[06:06] <taw> nikkia: bug or not, how do i  work around it ?
[06:06] <stizoner> i login as root and log back out, its actually safer then sudo i think, because sudo is based on a timer 
[06:06] <copernic> taw: sudo passwd root
[06:06] <stizoner> right?
[06:07] <nikkia> taw, you have to create a root account, using sudo passwd root, THEN dpkg-reconfigure webmin
[06:07] <stizoner> so something i might do takes 20 seconds... how long does sudo log you in for?
[06:07] <copernic> taw: after you're done with logging into webmin, create a new webmin superuser
[06:07] <stizoner> im just guessing here
[06:07] <nikkia> taw, then log on, and create a new admin account in webmin, and delete 'root', then sudo passwd -d   and sudo passwd -l   to remove root's passwd
[06:07] <copernic> at last disable root with sudo passwd -l root
[06:08] <nikkia> stizoner: its configurable
[06:08] <copernic> LOL nikkia :)
[06:08] <taw> nikkia: i did exactly that, but it still doesn't work
[06:08] <nikkia> taw, did you dpkg-reconfigure it ?
[06:08] <nikkia> taw, if you don't, it will still see the old root passwd
[06:08] <nikkia> ie, something untypable
[06:08] <taw> # dpkg-reconfigure webmin
[06:08] <taw> Stopping webmin: webmin.
[06:08] <taw> You already have /etc/webmin/miniserv.pem
[06:08] <taw> Starting webmin: webmin.
[06:08] <taw> then ... Login failed. Please try again.
[06:09] <nikkia> taw, hmmm, i'd remove webmin, purge it, and reinstall
[06:09] <nikkia> it looks like its not actually reconfiguring it - it should pop up some dialogs, as i remember it
[06:09] <taw> it did ask me to press ok twice
[06:09] <taw> but it seems it didn't change anything
[06:10] <nikkia> taw, ok, uninstall it
[06:10] <nikkia> then dpkg --purge webmin    (i think)
[06:11] <taw> oh, purging trick worked
[06:13] <nikkia> personally, i'd suggest changing the default webmin port to something else too
[06:13] <nikkia> webmin has far too much control to leave the defaults alone :)
[06:14] <taw> right, now let's configure mysql ...
[06:14] <taw> why doesn't the installer ask me for the passwd anyway
[06:17] <sforwk> Hi. I just installed Kubuntu 5.04 on an HP nc8230. After some effort, everything is working except sound. 
[06:18] <sforwk> Sound work at KDE startup, then no sound from anything. No system sound, no CD sounds.
[06:18] <sforwk> Any idea how to solve this? Thanks.
[06:18] <taw> damn, the webmin-mysql module does not work
[06:20] <taw> why does it require a password anyway, postgresql known when i'm connecting from root account
[06:26] <_frank> taw did you manage to login to webmin at all?
[06:26] <_frank> taw have to activate the root account to install webmin
[06:26] <taw> _frank: yeah
[06:27] <taw> _frank: mysql and postgresql tabs don't work
[06:27] <_frank> taw did root have a password when you installed webmin/
[06:28] <taw> _frank: yeah i set root passwd, purged webmin and reinstalled it
[06:28] <_frank> ok... then I don't know
[06:33] <sforwk> Can anyone here help with sound on kubuntu 5.04?
[06:33] <albert> make-kpkg --revision=1 --append-to-version=mykernel kernel_image kernel_headers
[06:39] <_frank> sforwk: sound problems are anoying... try the forums for help. and if you see crimsun in the IRC channel, ask him. He's the expert
[06:43] <sforwk> Thanks Frank. I'm heading there now.
[06:52] <nightmaster> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:54] <apprentice> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[07:03] <taw> weird
[07:03] <taw> i had to tell webmin-mysql that all mysql binaries are in /usr/bin/mysqlwhatever, or else it wouldn't work
[07:04] <taw> it's in the $PATH and it worked perfectly in debian
[07:12] <wincide> hi , i obtained this error from a compilation configure: error: stdc++ library not found, i'd like to install a library, but there are too many referred to this, which one is better? ??
[07:15] <_frank> wincide: you need some -dev package
[07:15] <wincide> now i'm installing  libstdc++6-4.0-dev 
[07:16] <wincide> i don't know if this is what i need .. but i'm gonna test :)
[07:17] <_frank> install 6 instead of 6.4
[07:17] <ray_> ok im back
[07:17] <_frank> because its the only one in main, it's prbably the more "basic" one
[07:17] <wincide> _frank, ok. i've installed 6.4 and doesn't go :(
[07:17] <ray_> 6.4? 
[07:17] <hugo_> hi @all
[07:18] <ray_> hello
[07:18] <hugo_> can i ask you a real newbie question? :-)
[07:19] <hugo_> i'm new to linux 
[07:20] <ray_> sure go ahead
[07:20] <hugo_> i want to download an install : Ubuntu Linux 5.10 Colony 3 Development Release. Can i update to the "final" release, when it is published?
[07:20] <ray_> i think so
[07:21] <_frank> hugo_: if you're new to linux, stick with stable versions
[07:21] <ray_> _frank: i think its a game
[07:21] <ray_> _frank: with no stable version
[07:21] <hugo_> yes, i know......but ubuntu 5.04 has big problems with my Geforce 6200 Go
[07:22] <hugo_> i just want to try, if it gets better with 5.10
[07:22] <hugo_> excuse my bad english.......i am from austria
[07:23] <hugo_> so.....what would you suggest?
[07:23] <_frank> well you can try... you could also install the drivers directly from nvidia in 5.04
[07:24] <hugo_> i tried.....but it failed....at least with NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run
[07:24] <ray_> i dont think upgrading is gonna help
[07:25] <hugo_> hm.....ok
[07:25] <hugo_> then i'll let it be
[07:26] <hugo_> thnx a lot for your help
[07:27] <hugo_> i've to leave now.......dinner is waiting :-)
[07:27] <_frank> hugo_: you need the kernel headers
[07:27] <hugo_> oh....
[07:27] <hugo_> what does that mean?
[07:29] <_frank> to install the nvidia drivers, you need kernel headers. open synaptic and install linux-headers-686 (or -k7 or -386)
[07:29] <hugo_> ok.....i'll try
[07:29] <_frank> actually in kubuntu use kynaptic but synaptic is better
[07:30] <_frank> oh and uninstall the ubuntu nvdia drivers before you install the new ones
[07:30] <matthew> konqueror as a web browser has been the only real letdown with kde / kubuntu., back to firefox:D
[07:30] <_frank> do a "completely uninstall" not just a "uninstall"
[07:30] <hugo_> how do i make the "cpmlete uninstall"?
[07:32] <hugo_> so.........i'm downloading the kernerl headers :-9
[07:34] <_frank> umm install synaptic to do the completely uninstall... hope you have a fast connection because synaptic will take alot of dependencies
[07:35] <matthew> when you install kubuntu, you change what resolutions you want to allow, how do you change that later?
[07:35] <hugo_> have dsl ......so not so bad
[07:37] <hugo_> and what should i do, when i downloaded and installed synaptic?
[07:37] <hugo_> synaptic
[07:38] <_frank> use to completely uninstall nvdia-glx
[07:39] <_frank> !nvidia
[07:39] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[07:40] <hugo_> thanx a lot
[07:40] <hugo_> :-)
[09:07] <apmcavoy> I just installed Kubuntu, how do I run it?
[09:07] <apmcavoy> I am new
[09:07] <Tm_T> uh
[09:07] <Tm_T> you are running it propably then
[09:08] <apmcavoy> well, i did "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and it installed, and nothign happened
[09:08] <Tm_T> oh
[09:09] <Tm_T> log out -> change session type -> login to KDE
[09:09] <apmcavoy> ok hold on
[09:10] <jblu> are there ppc users here?
[09:10] <Tm_T> what I should hold?
[09:11] <spiral> Tm_T: are you laughing ?
[09:11] <Tm_T> spiral: try to guess xD
[09:12] <spiral> Tm_T: dunno... you might not have been really good in english...
[09:12] <spiral> Tm_T: ;-)
[09:12] <Tm_T> uhm, maybe I should hold my pants on
[09:12] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:12] <spiral> Tm_T: ^^
[09:18] <arcanistherogue> Hey, my computer keeps freezing when I play games.  It shouldn't, I have enough power to play them .  I have an nvidia 6600 and an AMD 3000+ 64 bit, but when I play like Nexuiz or Neverball my computer freezes after about a minute of playing.
[09:18] <arcanistherogue> why is this happening?  and how do i stop it from happening?  all I am running is the game and KDE
[09:19] <Tm_T> humm, and how much memory you have? swap?
[09:19] <Tm_T> +do
[09:19] <arcanistherogue> RAM: 512 MB, swap partition 1.5 GB
[09:19] <Tm_T> ok
[09:20] <Tm_T> good enough
[09:20] <gdh> I wonder if it'd do the same if you just run 'cpuburn' for a few minutes?
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> i dunno?
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> lemm try that that
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> is it because I use KDE?
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> my friend said it is horrible forgaming
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> because its a CPU power whore
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> eh it couldnt find cpuburn
[09:21] <Tm_T> maybe your processor is overheating
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> mebbe...
[09:21] <gdh> arcanistherogue: You will need to install it :)
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> it happens on Windows too
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> gdh: I assumed as much :D
[09:21] <gdh> ah, sounds like a cooling problem then... are you overclocking?
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> nope
[09:21] <Tm_T> I can smell it... smoke! <3
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> I have like 8 fans too <_<
[09:21] <gdh> Is there the opportunity to underclock ?
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> and an air conditioner running O-o
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> gdh: why on earth would i want to do that O_o
[09:22] <Tm_T> arcanistherogue: KDE doesn't take much cpu power
[09:22] <gdh> try removing some RAM, swap RAM around...
[09:22] <gdh> arcanistherogue: To test the theory. :)
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> I only have one Stick
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> the 512 MB
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> and I don't have any spare DDR sticks
[09:23] <arcanistherogue> is it because of this CPU monitor i put up?
[09:23] <gdh> unfortunate. :/
[09:23] <arcanistherogue> i put it in my taskbar, and it keeps on coming back at bootup.  I don't know how to turn it off O_o
[09:23] <gdh> No, if your computer freezes in both Windows and Linux in period of high CPU use, that's a hardware fault.
[09:23] <Tm_T> arcanistherogue: to drop heat down
[09:24] <arcanistherogue> is there a heat monitor I could get?  like SpeedFan for linux?
[09:24] <gdh> yeh you'll want the 'lm-sensors' stuff and fun probing hardware
[09:25] <gdh> I've never used it for anything other than tinkering around
[09:25] <gdh> and that was many years ago
[09:25] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[09:25] <arcanistherogue> ah, i think it might be the apache server
[09:25] <arcanistherogue> i dont use it much anyways
[09:26] <gdh> nah, no userspace code can crash the machine in normal conditions
[09:26] <gdh> anyway, do you use Apache on windows?
[09:26] <arcanistherogue> nope
[09:26] <arcanistherogue> holy ****, there is a process using 78.7 CPU power
[09:27] <arcanistherogue> it says that when i did ps uax
[09:27] <gdh> probably a crashed kaffeine :)
[09:27] <Tm_T> haha
[09:27] <arcanistherogue> I don't use Kaffeine, I use JuK <_<
[09:27] <arcanistherogue> root      7521 78.7  0.2   3616  1036 ?        R    15:21   3:04 whiptail --backtitle Ubunt
[09:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I hope Kaffeine is fixed in Breezy
[09:27] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[09:27] <gdh> It has a great feature of not playing anything but just sitting hidden in the background sucking your machine's will to live
[09:28] <arcanistherogue> so, hsould I apt-get remove kaffeine?  I don't use it at all
[09:28] <gdh> arcanistherogue: you can if you like
[09:29] <arcanistherogue> hmmm... this is odd... I get an error when i use apt-get, and kynaptic wont load... lemme try synaptic
[09:30] <gdh> maybe if we see the error we can help? :)
[09:30] <arcanistherogue> odd, i get the same error in synptic.  something about not being able to lock the download directory
[09:31] <gdh> k that makes sense
[09:31] <gdh> whiptail is used for the dpkg Dialog system
[09:31] <gdh> you must have a apt-get sesesion running on another konsole / console screen
[09:31] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[09:31] <arcanistherogue> thats odd
[09:31] <arcanistherogue> hold on a sec
[09:32] <arcanistherogue> nope, no consoles open and ctrl-alt f1-6 are not logged in
[09:33] <arcanistherogue> lemme reboot...
[09:33] <gdh> wait
[09:33] <gdh> bah :)
[09:33] <gdh> bloody windows mantra..
[09:34] <Tm_T> !
[09:34] <ubotu> Tm_T: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:34] <Tm_T> reboot xD
[09:34] <Tm_T> ubotu: shut up
[09:34] <ubotu> Tm_T: Are you smoking crack?
[09:35] <Tm_T> always
[09:35] <arcanistherogue> nice, its working now
[09:36] <arcanistherogue> and that huge process is gone too
[09:36] <gdh> rebooting is incredible overkill :) could've just killed the offending processes..
[09:36] <arcanistherogue> gdh: <_<  but i like overkill.  I'm the dude who has 8 fans in his case >_>
[09:37] <arcanistherogue> yet still has problems with overheating >_<
[09:37] <gdh> the irony is delicious :)
[09:37] <arcanistherogue> well, my friend says it is because the advantage a fan gives is less after you add more than three, because they make more heat then they cool.  but i think hes full of bologna <_<
[09:37] <Tm_T> haha
[09:38] <Tm_T> I have only default fans and no heat problems
[09:38] <arcanistherogue> same.  my case came with 8 :D
[09:38] <arcanistherogue> but i replaced a couple and added LED fans <_<
[09:39] <Tm_T> thoh
[09:39] <Tm_T> my only one =)
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> Its awesome
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> it has two in the front near the bottom, where my rack of hard drives is, then one right over the graphics card on the window, then 2 in the back near the ports.  the others are on the top :D
[09:40] <Tm_T> bah
[09:40] <Tm_T> just extranoice and heat
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> ;_; but its flashy 
[09:41] <Tm_T> bah
[09:41] <gdh> I bet it... looks... fantastic... :|
[09:41] <Tm_T> now I understand
[09:41] <arcanistherogue> :D
[09:41] <Tm_T> kid! =)
[09:41] <Tm_T> muah
[09:42] <arcanistherogue> hey man, its real nifty <_<
[09:42] <gdh> does it have lowered suspension and alloy wheels? :)
[09:42] <arcanistherogue> I wish.
[09:42] <gdh> some fluffy dice would be good, mind :)
[09:42] <arcanistherogue> :D I have those 
[09:42] <gdh> haha :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> maybe you should stick in your tacky candyland world until you grow up a little bit ] ;=
[09:43] <arcanistherogue> ;_;
[09:44] <arcanistherogue> well i dont have the dice on the computer <_<
[09:44] <Tm_T> I hate you all
[09:44] <Tm_T> no I'm not
[09:44] <Tm_T> bah, suck it
[09:44] <gdh> Tm_T: Time for your medication. :)
[09:45] <arcanistherogue> :D
[09:47] <nikkia> has anyone else been seeing random firefox quits the past couple of days ?
[09:48] <arcanistherogue> nope, sorry.
[09:48] <arcanistherogue> say, does anyone know how to get nexuiz installed?
[09:48] <arcanistherogue> i just did chmod a+x on the nexuiz-linux-x86-glx file, is that it?
[09:48] <Tm_T> nooooooo!!
[09:49] <Tm_T> stop it!
[09:49] <Tm_T> no needles, no!
[09:49] <Tm_T> (these blue pills are like candy)
[09:50] <gdh> aaaaand relax :)
[09:50] <nikkia> ok, who hid tm_t's meds today?
[09:54] <Tm_T> yup
[09:57] <Fremen> Is this on ?
[09:57] <Fremen> ooh
[09:57] <arcanistherogue> y helo thar
[09:57] <Fremen> helloo
[09:57] <Tm_T> hi nikkia o/
[10:23] <haim> hi
[10:29] <haim> welcom to the party
[10:29] <VeloxS> Would anyone happen to know the process for the KDE clock so I can reboot it?
[10:34] <EasterSunshine> kdm
[10:35] <EasterSunshine> warning: rebooting kdm will restart kde itself
[10:35] <EasterSunshine> or not even, it'll bring you down to a command prompt
[10:38] <Firetech> My kscreensaver sometimes wont start by itself. dcop'ing  it to start or lock the screen works, and relogin fixes it. I haven't found out why it doesn't want to start, it just does so at what-seems-to-be-random now. Any ideas?
[10:41] <_mike> hi, i installed wireless assisstant following their instructions, cd to dir, ./configure , make , make install  and it said it was done so i restarted but i cant find it anywhere
[10:43] <_mike> anyone here>?
[10:45] <VeloxS> EasterSunshine: rebooting kdm (KDE Display Manager) will reboot KDE :P