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=== Topic for #launchpad: Discussion with Launchpad users and developers. || https://launchpad.net/ || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || Developers' meeting, Thursday 18 Aug, 12:00 UTC
=== Topic (#launchpad): set by SteveA at Thu Aug 11 14:45:43 2005
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[02:20] <Marky> hi everyone =)
[02:21] <Marky> well.. i can't add a new member to a specific translator group
[02:22] <Marky> when i click the "Choose' button there's a new window opens
[02:22] <Marky> but when i enter the name .. in won't do a thing
[02:23] <Marky> is it a bug ?
[02:23] <Marky> I'm using Mozilla 1.0.6 thanx
[02:23] <Marky> oh, that's Rosetta
[02:30] <sabdfl> Marky: wht are you entering in the text box? 
[02:31] <sabdfl> you need to enter part of somebody's name
[02:31] <sabdfl> then it searches
[02:31] <Marky> yeah, i've entered the name
[02:31] <sabdfl> it shoudl tell you if it finds no matches, but at the moment it just looks like nothing happens
[02:31] <sabdfl> file a bug, assign to stuart bishop
[02:31] <Marky> so.. should i wait .. ?
[02:32] <Marky> well.. this is odd..
[02:33] <Marky> i've searched for someone name Tedi Heriyanto
[02:33] <Marky> He's translated some package, but when i'm searching his name to add him..
[02:34] <Marky> the Launchpad found nothing
[02:54] <sabdfl> Marky: try contacting him directly, ask him to register in launchpad
[03:17] <sd-tux> hi, how can i start translating a program(gnomemeeting) to georgian language ? in "Programs you can translate" i see only some applications gaim xmms etc.
[03:41] <sabdfl> sd-tux: are you a member of the Ubuntu Georgian team?
[03:42] <sabdfl> would you like to be? have you any experience translating PO files?
[03:43] <sabdfl> and what's your launchpad name?
[03:45] <sd-tux> sabdfl: my launhpad name is "Alexander Didebulidze" I don't have experience in translating .po files 
[03:46] <sd-tux> sd-tux: and I'm notmember of Ubuntu team yet
[03:47] <sd-tux> sabdfl: and I'm notmember of Ubuntu team yet..
[03:48] <sabdfl> sd-tux: i'm happy to add you as the first translator
[03:48] <sabdfl> it would be good if you could start trying to find other guys who would join a team
[03:48] <sabdfl> when you find someone else, create a launchpad team, and add yourself and them to the team
[03:48] <sabdfl> then we'll make the team the translator instead of you personally
[03:48] <sabdfl> make sense
[03:48] <sabdfl> ?
[03:49] <sd-tux> sabdfl: actualy i just want to translate some gnome apps.. I helped a bit in translating Gaim using Rosetta.. 
[03:50] <sabdfl> i've added you as a designated Georgian translator for ubuntu
[03:50] <sabdfl> so now you can translate anything there
[03:50] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations
[03:50] <sd-tux> sabdfl: we are 2 persons now.. "Alexander Didebulidze" and "Vladimir Sichinava"
[03:50] <sabdfl> ok
[03:51] <sabdfl> create a team called "Ubuntu Georgian Translators" with name ubuntu-l10n-ka
[03:51] <sabdfl> put vladimir in there, and yourself too
[03:51] <sabdfl> then ping me
[03:52] <sd-tux> ok
[04:01] <sd-tux> sabdfl: do i have a permission to change the name of georgian translator from "Alexander Didebulidze" to "Ubuntu Georgian Translators" ? I'm getting " Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."
[04:01] <sd-tux> sabdfl: on this page : https://launchpad.net/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/
[04:14] <sabdfl> sd-tux: have you created the team?
[04:14] <sabdfl> what'sthe team name?
[04:15] <sd-tux> sabdfl: i can't find a place from wich i can create a team ...
[04:18] <sd-tux> sabdfl: ok i found it.. 
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[04:44] <sd-tux> sabdfl: ok I have created a team an i'd like to know how to add a package for translation in Rosetta
[05:03] <sabdfl> sd-tux: done
[05:03] <ddaa> 44466644466582
[05:03] <ddaa> oop-
[05:03] <sabdfl> you can now automatically translate any package in ubuntu
[05:03] <sabdfl> ddaa: hello :-)
[05:04] <ddaa> hello
[05:12] <sd-tux> sabdfl: how can i tell rosetta how plural forms work for Georgian..
[05:12] <sabdfl> sd-tux: do you know what a georgian pluralform expression looks like?
[05:13] <sd-tux> sabdfl: I think i know... I'm georgian and other members too :)
[05:14] <sabdfl> yes, but in PO file translation, there's a bit of magic that describes how plural forms work in that language
[05:14] <sabdfl> usually it's pretty simple - any message that has a variable number of "things" has two forms - one singular, one plural
[05:14] <sabdfl> but some languages are a lot more complicated
[05:15] <sabdfl> welsh, for example, has many,many plural forms
[05:15] <sabdfl> depending on whether there are 0, 1, 2, 3, 7 or more, 10 or more... etc
[05:15] <sabdfl> for example, the message "there are %s cars on the road"
[05:15] <sabdfl> how many different sentences would you need to translate that, depending on the number of s?
[05:16] <sabdfl> in georgian?
[05:16] <sabdfl> in english, it's two
[05:16] <sabdfl> "there are X cars on the road"
[05:16] <sabdfl> "there is X car on the road"
[05:16] <sd-tux> for example we have no articles, no capital letters, no masculine or feminile articles.
[05:16] <sd-tux> but we have 7 cases.
[05:16] <sabdfl> sounds good
[05:16] <sabdfl> cases are not usually a problem
[05:17] <sabdfl> is it slavic? similar to russian?
[05:17] <sd-tux> so
[05:17] <sd-tux> georgian is not indoeropian language
[05:18] <sd-tux> georgian is a Kartvelic Caucasian Language.
[05:20] <sd-tux> a Language is with proper alphabet and with a propher language.
[05:20] <sd-tux> in this team we understand quite good english, and good german italian and russian language.
[05:21] <sd-tux> for example with plural nouns;
[05:22] <sd-tux> there are X cars on the road= "kuchashi X manka-nebia" (I'm using latin letters :D) and...
[05:22] <sd-tux> "there is X car on the road" - "kuchashi X mank-anaa".
[05:23] <sd-tux> "sufix" is changed.
[05:27] <sd-tux> so plurals in georgian are:
[05:27] <sd-tux> 1 car = 1 mankana
[05:27] <sd-tux> 2 cars = 2 mankana
[05:28] <sd-tux> many cars = bevri mankana
[05:28] <sd-tux> so noun mankana is not changed.
[05:29] <sd-tux> but without without "many" a noun mankana will change into "mankanebi".
[05:29] <sd-tux> so what can do?
[05:30] <sabdfl> ok, this looks fairly standard
[05:30] <sabdfl> email this conversation to the rosetta-users list and ask carlos to add Georgian
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[11:28] <mdke> hi all
[11:28] <mdke> is everything imported into breezy in rosetta now?
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