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\shok...when this is working..I have a running gajim with xmpp 1.0 SRV record recognition12:29
Nafallo\sh: REVU-material?12:29
\shNafallo: yes12:30
\shNafallo: dnspython is already in..I need it for this12:30
\shNafallo: (on revu i mean)12:31
Nafallo\sh: I put it on todo then ;-)12:31
Nafallobut now, sleep12:31
\shNafallo: gajim is really a good gtk app :) I like it :)12:32
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\shstrike12:35
\shtls is working so xmpp 1.0 SRV is fulfilled12:36
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\shok..I have to wait for python2.4-gnome2-extras 12:59
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\shBed time...cu later today..01:02
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | Colony 3 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Thu Aug 18 22:43:17 2005
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rob^Hi, I'm getting the following when trying to install scorched3d on colony 3:  Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>=2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but it is not installable08:40
Burgundaviarob^, that is a question for #ubuntu-motu08:40
rob^okies08:40
jdubahr!08:43
Burgundaviajdub, hey! I cannot seem to login to the -users admin thingy08:44
jdubBurgundavia: log in to the moderator page admindb rather than admin08:48
Burgundaviajdub, ok08:48
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Burgundaviajdub, still spitting me up errors. I can login and edit the -ca stuff08:49
jdubBurgundavia: i'll get in touch tonight - i'm actually in the country at pia's parents house :)08:56
jdub(fixing their internet)08:56
Burgundaviajdub, ok08:56
Burgundaviajdub, I would love to get to that 7k+ list of stuff to be dealt with09:01
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=== Burgundavia hugs mjg59
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\shinfinity: ping09:59
kagouhi10:00
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Diablo-D3hey10:05
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Diablo-D3why are people having to pay customs for ubuntu pressed cds?10:05
Diablo-D3http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/10:05
Diablo-D3grep for 3000 quetzales10:06
Diablo-D3thats insane10:07
BurgundaviaDiablo-D3, some people don't understand that the software can be free10:08
Diablo-D3I have to admit thats a strange concept10:08
Diablo-D3why wouldnt software be free?10:08
Burgundaviaregardless, that is reason10:09
Diablo-D3wtf10:09
Burgundaviait is not really on topic for -devel either10:09
Diablo-D3well Im not sure where else to ask about this10:09
Burgundaviait is not really an issue that can be solved by ubuntu/canonical10:09
Diablo-D3imo it should be added to that faq, however10:10
Diablo-D3"Warning: Some world governments are attempting to charge money for Linux via customs, please, instigate rebellion in those countries!"10:11
Diablo-D3or something like that10:11
Diablo-D3erk, nm, it actually /is/ there10:11
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Diablo-D3has anyone had experience using local companies to help distribute ubuntu cds?10:14
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Diablo-D3like, leaving a box of them behind, with a sign saying "Take One, Its Free" or something10:15
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b3nwin colony 3 is there a way to kill the installing packages bar and see whats going on?10:19
macheb3nw, alt+f4?10:20
b3nwoo thats a prob10:20
machei mean, switch to another console10:20
b3nwi have to enter a yes or no10:20
b3nwotherwise i'm stuck at 85% for life10:20
b3nw:X10:20
Diablo-D3and thats why I only use apt-get10:20
b3nwyou started with a server install?10:21
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macheb3nw, no, "normal" aka full install10:22
macheDiablo-D3, yea, aptitude is much better than apt-get ;)10:22
lathiatb3nw: Then thats a bug, please file a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com10:22
b3nwyeah even if I type in yes or I type in No it doesn't continue10:23
b3nwbleh10:23
machei installed a breezy machine (using netinstall) a few days ago and now i want to install another one10:25
macheis there any way to use the packages already downloaded on the first one?10:26
macheand to avoid downloading them again?10:26
Diablo-D3I do it by sharing my /var/apt/cache/archives dir over nfs10:26
machewithout apt-proxy or other cache proxies10:26
machei see10:26
Diablo-D3of course, I dont know if you can do that during the install...10:27
macheif i put a ftp/http server on the first one10:28
machei suppose i can replicate the archive structure10:28
Diablo-D3yeah, you could always try that, but that seems to be a big pain in the ass10:28
Diablo-D3mache: why not use apt-proxy?10:30
Diablo-D3you can import pre-existing debs into it10:30
macheDiablo-D3, i can?10:30
machehumm10:30
Diablo-D3yeah, use the apt-proxy-import command10:30
machei'm reading now :)10:31
machei never knew about proxy-import10:31
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machecool, i'll give it a try10:36
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b3nwhas anyone heard of xorg allowing you to scroll with the mouse wheel down but not up?11:17
Diablo-D3nope11:17
TreenaksOK, planet is really ill... it every time it reads my feed, it thinks a post I did a few days ago was done at the moment it's reading the feed11:19
TreenaksNot Good11:19
infinityIf you have something like '"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' in your xorg.conf but, while mwheeldown produces "button 5", mwheelup doesn't produce "button 4", that could happen.  Othewise, no idea.11:19
infinity(Not that I've ever seen such a thing)11:19
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ivokshi11:43
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Mez|WoWany reason why linux-restricted-modules keeps uninstalling itself?12:25
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pronikHello, guys. Is it intended that latest totem is compiled without mozilla plugin?12:47
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infinityMEz : Uninstalling itself?12:53
infinityMEz : Do you have anything more concrete than that? :)12:53
MEzyeah12:53
MEzer#12:53
MEzno12:53
infinityLike, WHY is it being unsinstalled? :)12:53
MEzother than the fact I keep notcing when I come to play games it's not installed12:53
MEzI'm just trying to find that out :D12:54
MEzI think it's something to do with kernel updates12:54
infinityWell, I just uplaoded a new version that should clear up some dependency issues, maybbe that'll make you happy.12:54
infinityAlso, if you odn't have the linux-image metapaches installed, you won't get new restricted-modules automatically with new kernels.12:54
infinityMaybe that's your issue.12:54
infinitymetapackages, too.  Wow, can Iever type.12:55
MezI do seem to have the metapacakges installed12:56
Mezii  linux-image-k7           2.6.12.11  12:56
Mezoh wait12:57
Mezhttp://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dnspython-0508210015/dnspython_1.3.4-0ubuntu0.1.diff.gz12:58
Mezsorry12:58
Mezii  linux-restricted-modules 2.6.12.2-1 12:58
MezNo packages found matching linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-7-k7.12:58
infinityYou want 'linux-k7' if you want restriced modules by default.12:58
Mezty12:58
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siretartwhen maintaining packages with baz, what is preferred arch-buildpackage or tla-buildpackage? or did I miss something?01:05
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infinitysiretart : Whichever you like better, I suppose.  Or neither.01:07
siretartinfinity: hm. I was looking for something similar to svn-buildpackage, but for baz. I'm trying to get used to it01:08
siretartinfinity: good to see you here, I noticed you uploaded yesterday a new xorg, with some changes to mesa/gl packages. is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition still uptodate regarding the build dependencies?01:10
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infinitysiretart : Wasn't right, but I've updated it for you.01:14
infinitysiretart : I may well finish up the transition for Universe in the next day or so anyway, so the point might be moot.01:14
infinitysiretart : I've already done main/restricted.01:15
infinity(Well, restricted will be done when I figure out how I managed to break l-r-m and reupload it)01:15
siretartah, so we go from xorg gl/glu headers to mesa headers, right?01:15
infinityYup.01:19
lathiatooc, why did we drop libcairo1 from the archives before at least all things for ubuntu-desktop had been transitioned?01:19
infinitylathiat : Because it was generated from the same source as libcairo2.01:19
lathiatinfinity: ah01:19
infinitylathiat : It'll sort itself shortly.  Development releases aren't meant to be user friendly. :)01:19
lathiati know01:20
lathiatjust annoying tryign to test stuff when things aren't installable thats all ;)01:20
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infinitylathiat : Grab libcairo1.deb from a Colony3 CD and install it. :)01:20
lathiatyeh thats what im doing01:20
lathiatheh01:20
lathiatwiating for it to rsync01:20
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{Seb}there seems to be an installer bug with colony 301:54
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{Seb}after installing it on my laptop02:03
{Seb}and booting up, it said 'Can not find device /dev/hda1'02:03
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JanC{Seb}, it doesn't completely boot and drops you in a busybox shell ?02:29
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{Seb}yep02:40
{Seb}known bug?02:41
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JanC{Seb}, I had a similar problem when upgrading breezy to kernel version 2.6.12-7-10 on my laptop03:01
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{Seb}well - i've installed it from colony 2 and dist-upgrading as we speak03:34
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ploumHello03:49
ploumDamien Sandras, gnomemeeting's author, want to talk about shtoom vs gnomemeeting in Ubuntu03:49
ploumWhere's the best place for that ?03:50
\sh#ubuntu-meeting ?03:50
\shwhen?03:50
ploumyes, indeed, when ;-)03:51
ploumwhich meeting is the best ?03:51
\shTB03:51
ploumto put it in the agenda03:51
\shtechnical board03:51
\shor he just appears here..:) I took over the project03:51
ploum\sh, you are the maintener of shtoom ?03:52
\shploum: I will package it and took over the project from thom03:53
ploumok :-)03:53
ploumis the project funded by Ubuntu fundation ? (or maybe bounties)03:53
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ShtoomVoip03:53
\shthis is the UDU Project description03:53
ploum\sh, have you any idea why shtoom was choosen over gnomemeeting as a VoIP ?03:54
Mithrandirgnomemeeting doesn't do SIP, does it?03:55
tsenggnomemeeting doesnt do sip03:55
tsengits WIP03:55
\shyes...shtoom is python, easy to extend and it's UI independend03:55
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\shgnomemeeting wants to support sip, when I remembered some of the goals on the faq, right?03:55
\shbut 03:55
\shwill it support jabber as well? or at least simple?03:56
mjrgnomemeeting's next major release supports sip, but dunno how that's coming along03:56
tsengits sortof working on a branch03:56
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Snarksalut03:56
\shploum: I have to think about kde as well :)03:56
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ploum\sh, Gnomemeeting is doing SIP for me for some months03:58
ploumbut I think that debian and Ubuntu packages are CVS snapshots03:58
ploumfor KDE, indeed, that's another problem03:58
\shploum: that is one of the biggest :) UI independency :)03:59
\shploum: and shtoom is only a high-level api to twisteds SIP api...taking care about sound stuff etc.04:01
ploumindeed, but I've one major point for Gnomemeeting : it works :-)04:01
ploum(shtoom doesn't work here)04:01
\shploum: shtoom works as well04:01
\shI just tested it with a local voip provider here :)04:02
\shploum: latest SVN HEAD of shtoom indeed04:02
ploum(well, I have only tried those old deb packages ;-) )04:02
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\shploum: forget them :) twisted 2.x + shtoom svn head == working...actually the UIs are a bit non-userfriendly04:03
ploum\sh, what codecs does shtoom use ?04:03
ploumand, I'm a bit curious about this mysterious "dot ubuntu" 04:04
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\shploum: I have to check...but it's pluggable04:05
\shG711 ULAW (aka PCMU)04:06
\shwith pygsm it handles as well GSM 06.10.04:06
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/dotUbuntu <- everything about dotUbuntu :)04:07
ploumI only see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient04:07
ploumWhere's the "ConquerTheWorld" page in this wiki ?04:08
ploum;-)04:08
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\shyeah me too ,-)04:08
pefhi04:08
ploum\sh, I remember seing bounties about shtoom04:09
ploumis it possible or am I wrong ?04:09
\shploum: i don't find anything for shtoom but for the registration client...actually I'm not interessted in bounties :)04:10
ploumI've read somewhere that shtoom is funded by Ubuntu (or MArk Shuttleworth) but I can't find it anymore04:11
ploumis this true ?04:11
ploumBy the way I really like the dotUbuntu idea :-)04:12
\shploum: /join #shtoom 04:12
\shand ask anthony04:12
ploumaaaaargh !04:14
ploum(f*** breezy gnome-panel !)04:14
ploumThx \sh :-)04:14
\shploum: there are some more things I want to include into this goal...04:14
crispin15:13 @         chpe | yeah, I've seen it on gtk-d\evel-list04:14
crispinargh, sorry04:15
j^http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/04:15
lu|awayohrealy.04:17
lu|awayj^: what are the odds of those actually working? :)04:17
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siretartj^: ?04:18
j^lu|away i use them04:19
j^you have to remove bind9 from /etc/rc?.d/04:19
j^http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/ are also the baz sources04:21
j^regarding the bind9 issue http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1349104:22
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j^infinity these NetworkManager packages are what is taged as 0.4.1 in NetworkManager CVS04:31
rubenvj^: add a readme there for potential testers04:31
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tsengj^: that wont dhcp for me04:38
tsengj^: just keeps starting over04:38
tsengj^: is there a way to get debug/log?04:38
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tsengbuh04:45
Alexbuh? moeh!04:46
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mdkecan somebody who runs an openssh-server on a breezy machine try and login to it with "sftp" please, i can't do it on mine and i think its a bug05:06
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rubenvmdke: sec, booting one05:07
mdkeactually...05:07
mdkeit's my bad I think05:07
mdkeyeah05:08
mdkesorry!05:10
rubenvhad to backup to it anyway :-)05:10
mdke:)05:10
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Mezmdz: ping05:13
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j^tseng you can look in syslog05:20
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j^tseng you need dhcp3-client installed, dhcdbd is still misssing that dependency05:25
tsengi have both05:25
tsengbrb ill see what comes up in messages05:25
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tsengAug 21 11:25:42 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason05:26
j^i get that too05:27
j^but it still works05:27
tsengbuh05:27
tsengmine starts claiming to dhcp, then the progress bar drops off and its still spinning05:27
tsengthen no connection icon05:27
j^and do you see any message from dhclient in syslog?05:27
tsengno05:28
rubenvthe hoary version is broken like hell05:28
rubenvI feel very tempted to upgrade to breezy again :-)05:28
j^was dhclient running before?05:28
tsengum05:28
tsengyes05:28
j^kill it05:28
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tsengk05:29
j^there should be no audto stanca in /etc/network/interfaces 05:29
j^and /etc/init.d/networking start should not configure any interface05:29
tsengum05:30
tsengok.05:30
tsengi dont think that was an issue with the old packages05:31
rubenvj^: lo?05:31
j^rubenv lo should be ok05:32
j^NetworkManager will also configure lo though05:32
rubenvhmmm, breezy is highly broken, I'll delay my upgrade for a while (till all is on libcairo2)05:33
tsengnone of that helps much05:34
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j^tseng still no message from dhclient in syslog?05:34
tsengno05:34
tsengyes05:35
tsengAug 21 11:32:31 localhost dhcdbd: Shut down.05:35
tsengAug 21 11:32:39 localhost dhcdbd: Started up.05:35
j^did you just install dhcdbd?05:35
tsengno05:35
j^if so, did you restart dbus?05:35
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tsengyes05:36
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j^and is dhclient running?05:37
j^here i have something like05:37
j^/sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -e dhc_dbus=31 -x -d eth005:37
j^in ps ax05:37
tsengit is when i have to use it to get back on the network05:37
tsengbut i kill it in between tests05:37
j^it should be started by /sbin/dhcdbd05:37
j^/sbin/dhclient --version05:39
j^isc-dhclient-V3.0.205:39
tsengnm is starting /sbin/dhclient --version05:41
j^no05:41
tsengisc-dhclient-V3.0.205:41
tsengsomething is, after I kill it and restart dbus05:41
j^what you can try as root: NetworkManager --no-daemon05:42
j^that way you get the output in the terminal05:42
j^and the applet with nm-applet --sm-disable05:42
j^as user05:42
danielsi just fixed the whole flashy-black-rectangles on window start and switch in breezy05:47
daniels'twas a gtk bug05:47
\shdaniels: u fixed the crashing gnome-panel as well? ;)05:47
danielsno way05:48
danielsthat's seb's problem05:48
tsengj^: http://tseng.ath.cx/nmlog05:48
j^tseng did you have nm installed before?05:49
tsengj^: yes.05:49
j^and you use WEP?05:49
tsengyes05:49
mjg59ACPI CRACK05:49
j^tseng try to select connect to other wireles network05:49
lathiatmjg59: :)05:49
tsengj^: same thing05:50
j^and enter your networkname and wep key again05:50
lathiatdaniels: yay05:50
lathiatdaniels: that was annoying me :)05:50
tsengyeah ive done that05:50
j^including the wep key. there was an issue with old keys 05:50
j^NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed05:52
j^this is strange05:52
tsengive put in the key 100 times now05:53
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j^can you try ifconfig eth0 down before starting NM05:54
j^what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces?05:55
hungerj^: Does NM use that?05:55
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hungerj^: I thought NM had it's own means of configuration.05:56
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces05:56
tsengquick05:56
tsengsteal my wifi05:56
j^ah05:56
j^you have to take that out05:56
tsengthat affects things why?05:57
j^hunger NM uses static ip configurations from /e/n/i if present05:57
j^it should still not fail05:57
hungerj^: Where does NM get it's other configuration from?05:57
tsengis commenting good enough?05:57
j^tseng should do05:57
tsenggood, i dont trust nm05:58
j^hunger which other information?05:58
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hungerj^: WLAN keys, etc.05:58
tsengogra_ltsp: haha!05:58
ogra_ltsp:)05:58
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j^hunger gconf and keyring of the user05:59
hungerj^: Why doesen't it store IP settings there as well?05:59
hungerj^: Having several places to check for network setup is evil IMHO.05:59
j^NM does not support static ips06:00
j^still it uses the distros information if present06:00
tsengstill no luck06:00
hungerj^: It does set it up, isen't that "supporting"?06:00
hungerj^: Will it pick up WLAN keys from /e/n/i as well?06:00
j^its part of the distribution backend.06:01
j^one could also take it out06:01
j^and say no static ips at all06:01
j^it will only take ip settings from /e/n/i06:01
j^if iface eth1 inet static is present06:01
tsengso far my little dance involves, ifconfig eth{0,1} down, killall dhc*, restart dbus, killall nm-applet06:01
tsengthen try again06:01
hungerj^: Why not add that into NM as well and remove /e/n/i entirely?06:02
j^tseng you can also just do killall -9 NetworkManger 06:02
j^killall -9 named06:02
j^NetworkManger --no-daemon06:02
j^killall nm-applet06:02
tsengwhat is the dispatcher part06:02
hungerj^: That would get rid of the distro-part entirely and might even make things more uniform across distros;-)06:03
j^dispatcher is not used right now06:03
j^you can ignore it 06:03
j^it would allow you to have scripts that are run on connect06:03
tsengNetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed06:04
j^hunger i agree with you, but dan did it this way to start with06:04
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j^in a next step NM should also provide a cross distribution way to configure static ips (imho)06:04
j^what does your interfaces file look like right now?06:05
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karim__hi06:06
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces06:06
tsenglike this06:06
j^can you try 06:06
j^auto lo06:06
j^iface lo inet loopback06:06
j^iface eth1 inet dhcp06:06
j^iface eth0 inet dhcp06:06
j^you still have 06:06
j^iface eth1 inet static06:06
j^if you also take that out06:06
j^it should work06:06
tsengok06:06
hungerj^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-)06:06
j^not sure about the mapping thing06:06
j^hunger well it will not work06:07
hungerj^: Yeap... the only effect I see when starting NM is that it breaks eth0 so that I have to ifdown/ifup it;-)06:08
tsengholy crap06:08
tsengj^: thats it, i feel stupid.06:08
j^hunger but since, if you use NM you dont need that any longer in /e/n/i you can replace it with 06:08
j^http://bootlab.org/~j/interfaces06:09
hungerj^: I can't... it breaks eth0... and nm-applet does not show any icon.06:09
tsengj^: thanks06:09
j^hunger define it breaks06:10
hungerj^: It does break its configuration so that I need to ifdown/ifup it.06:10
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j^if nm-applet does not show up it could be that your wireless card driver is broken06:10
j^tseng no problem06:10
j^tseng its always good to know what the problems are.06:11
hungerj^: There is no wlan driver for my card.06:11
j^?06:11
hungerj^: Well, not in ubuntu that is:-)06:11
j^<hunger> j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-)06:12
j^so you do that without a wireless driver?06:12
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hungerj^: I used that /e/n/i with my own kernels... it does work great there.06:12
j^hunger still not able to parse your statement06:13
hungerj^: I switched to the default ubuntu kernels not and they have no madwifi.06:13
\shhunger: they have06:13
j^NM does not work for your because you have your own kernel installed?06:13
hungerj^: s/not/recently/.06:13
Burgundaviamjg59, ping06:14
mjg59Burgundavia: Hi06:14
hungerj^: I didn't try NM with my own kernels... only with the default ubuntu ones which have no madwifi.06:14
mjg59hunger: Yes they do06:14
mjg59Install linux-restricted-modules06:14
hungerj^: Well, the newest version has... but those are completly broken and do not load.06:14
Burgundaviamjg59, for the hotkey stuff, is there a good guide on how to file a bug about those?06:14
j^hunger well, thats a bad test, dont expect NM to fix your kernel06:14
mjg59Burgundavia: Not really06:15
hungerj^: No, I expect NM to work with my ethernet card in absense of WLAN drivers.06:15
Burgundaviamjg59, can you email me what would be the best procedure and I can edit the wiki page with instructions accordingly06:15
mjg59Burgundavia: Ok, will try06:16
mjg59(Bit tied up at the moment)06:16
Burgundaviamjg59, I am also writing an email about various things that people might make mistakes on (not telling us about ootb support, upgrades instead of installs, etc.)06:16
hungerj^: nm-applet does not show up without wlan drivers (or so it seems to me), so I count it as broken.06:16
mjg59Burgundavia: Ok, cool06:16
Burgundaviamjg59, I am about to leave for work, but tomorrow I have the day off, so we can coordinate tomorrow06:17
mjg59Burgundavia: Ok, cool06:17
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j^hunger it should show up now.06:17
j^not showing up was an issue with earlier version of nm06:18
hungerj^: Right... now I get lots of connections refused from dbus.06:20
j^hunger did you restart dbus?06:21
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trygvebwevening06:23
trygvebwIs Breezy broken atm, or is it pretty safe to dist-upgrade?06:23
Mithrandirworks for me06:24
trygvebwoaky06:24
trygvebw*okay.06:24
trygvebwHow long is it since you dist-upgraded?06:24
lathiaterr, bad idea as usual, particularly because libcairo1 has gone and a whole tonne of stuff deps on it atm.06:24
lathiatif anything, use colony 306:24
Mithrandirthis morning, CEST time.06:24
trygvebwoh06:24
trygvebwSo GNOME won't work?06:24
lathiatand then dist upgrade if you like06:24
lathiatas you'll have cairo1 and ebook1.2-3 installed then06:24
trygvebwokay.06:24
lathiatbut if your just a general end user then your better off waiting.06:25
trygvebwi'll just stay with my current Breezy install then :) 06:25
\shtrygvebw: if you have breezy running...it's ok I think to dist-upgrade again06:26
trygvebwoh, okay :)06:26
trygvebwi'll try ;)06:26
\shwell..the gnome-panel is a bit flakey06:26
trygvebwah06:26
trygvebwthanks.06:26
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j^hm06:31
j^[   63.091429]   /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p106:31
j^[   63.125792]  Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 006:31
j^[ 1817.987114]  idr_remove called for id=1024 which is not allocated.06:31
j^[ 1817.987161]   [<c01b4250>]  sub_remove+0xf4/0xf606:31
j^[ 1817.987254]   [<c01b4281>]  idr_remove+0x2f/0xaa06:31
j^[ 1817.987273]   [<c017923b>]  remove_watch_no_event+0x58/0xb206:31
j^[ 1817.987294]   [<c0179633>]  inotify_inode_is_dead+0x46/0x7206:31
j^[ 1817.987315]   [<c016b34b>]  prune_dcache+0x11d/0x16306:32
j^[ 1817.987345]   [<c016b6bc>]  shrink_dcache_memory+0x1f/0x4506:32
j^[ 1817.987357]   [<c01417a7>]  shrink_slab+0x10c/0x16f06:32
j^[ 1817.987399]   [<c01429ce>]  balance_pgdat+0x21e/0x3a706:32
j^[ 1817.987462]   [<c0142c2f>]  kswapd+0xd8/0x11d06:32
j^[ 1817.987482]   [<c012aecd>]  autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x5706:32
j^[ 1817.987509]   [<c012aecd>]  autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x5706:32
j^[ 1817.987529]   [<c0142b57>]  kswapd+0x0/0x11d06:32
j^[ 1817.987543]   [<c01012d9>]  kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb06:32
j^so much for firewire disks06:32
lathiatfirewire sucks06:33
lathiatadd06:33
lathiatsbp2 serialize_io=106:33
lathiatto /etc/modules06:33
lathiatit helps06:33
j^lathiat this was the disk going in some powersave mode06:33
lathiatheh06:33
j^i prefere firewire disks to usb2 once06:34
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hungerj^: no icon in the tray after restarting dbus. NM did break my eth0 though...06:46
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zanagaI find it quite amusing that Thunderbird spell checker (aka, english spell check) doesn't know the word Ubuntu ;)06:48
j^hunger if you are using dhcp it should just renew the lease, you can also have a look at syslog06:48
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hungerj^: Lots of "nm_ip4_config_get_address: assertion `06:49
hungerconfig != NULL' failed"06:49
j^hunger static ip?06:49
hungerj^: "Now managing device eth0" next line: "deactivating eth0".06:50
hungerj^: dhcp.06:50
j^what does your /e/n/i look like?06:50
j^it looks again like a problem with parsing it.06:50
hungerj^: "<ERROR>^I[1124274746.611112]   (): coul06:50
hungerdn't initialize nameserver: Failed to execute child process "no" (No such file o06:50
hungerr directory)"06:50
j^hunger thats network-manager from breezy06:51
j^not the one from http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/06:51
hungerj^: Yeap... updated today.06:51
j^hunger the one in breezy does not work06:51
hungerj^: Oh, sorry to have bothered you then.06:52
zanagathere is a patch in the bts for that bug06:52
j^hunger thats why i up a new version at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/06:52
j^*put06:52
\shanyone who knows how to set urgent hints for windows in gtk?06:53
\shor a pointer would be enough06:53
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infinity\sh : gaim does it.  It doesn't work in metacity without a patches libwnck16, though.06:57
infinity\sh : (as much as I hate to refer to forums for anything), check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3977606:57
\shyeah I saw this...do our gnome has the patch applied?06:58
infinityNot AFAIK.  We should get it in for breezy.06:59
infinity(I run the patched libwnck16 here, and it works well)06:59
\shinfinity: btw..I need a installable version of python2.4-gnome2-extras ,-)06:59
fabbionej^: instead of flooding the chan here, better you file a bug on the kernel, given that our new kernel maintainer is also one of the main firewire developers06:59
infinityI'll ping ondrej about it, since he appears to maintain it in Debian, and he's a comaintainer of mine on other stuff.06:59
infinity\sh : You'll get one soon enough, we just had some build snags with the cairo transition.  Bug me about it tomorrow if it's still broken, I'm off to bed right now.07:00
\shinfinity: k :) sleep well :)07:00
infinity\sh : The buildds may fix it before I wake up, though, I punted a bunch of stuf fback after daniels hunted down the underlying GTK build issue.07:00
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danielssleep is for the weak07:01
fabbionedaniels: yo dude07:01
fabbioneinfinity: can you stay awake 2 more minutes?07:01
danielsyo bella07:01
hungerfabbione: are the restricted modules supposed to work now?07:02
fabbionehunger: i am not restriceted modules maintainer07:02
fabbioneand i don't use them..07:02
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fabbioneso i don't know...07:02
mjg59hunger: What failure are you getting?07:03
fabbionedaniels, infinity: quick chat?07:03
infinityfabbione : Meh, be quick.  I have a girlfriend who's far more important than you.07:03
fabbioneinfinity: pretty quick.. less than 2 minutes :)07:03
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hungermjg59: Missing symbols trying to load ath_pci.07:04
hungerfabbione: Sorry...07:04
{Seb}the latest breezy kernel has screwed up my laptop totally07:04
\shhmm...07:04
danielsfabbione: mmm?07:04
{Seb}when it boots up, it says "Unable to find volume group "hda1"07:05
fabbione{Seb}: let me guess.. it can't mount the root filesystem07:05
{Seb}"Alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist"07:06
{Seb}yeh fabbione - known bug?07:06
fabbione{Seb}: Package: INITRAMFS07:06
fabbionethe kernel is good07:06
mjg59hunger: Which symbols?07:06
{Seb}fabbione: the package is broken?07:06
hunger{Seb}: I see the same with sda1... but that is since the splash thingy got in...07:06
{Seb}fabbione: or i need a newer version07:06
mjg59{Seb}: That's not the kernel's fault07:06
mjg59Nor is it usplash's07:06
fabbione{Seb}: i think newer is enough...07:06
mjg59They just both happen to coincide with the change to initramfs07:07
fabbione{Seb}: install the newer, reinstall the kernel07:07
{Seb}fabbione: install the newer? newer what?07:07
hungermjg59: "Error inserting ath_rate_onoe (/lib/modules/2.6.12-7-686/madwifi/ath_rate_onoe.ko): Invalid module format" is probably the root cause of the missing symbols.07:07
fabbione{Seb}: initramfs07:08
fabbioneand reinstall the kernel to regenerate the initrf07:08
fabbioneinitrd07:08
{Seb}thanks fabbione :-)07:08
karim__I installed mplayer-g4 on ppc but there is no binary !!!07:08
karim__is it normal ?07:08
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eruinis this normal on breezy bootup? "error inserting /lib/modules/2.6.12-7-686/kernel/drivers/video/console/tileblit.ko: -1 file exists"07:11
{Seb}fabbione: is the package called initramfs?07:12
fabbioneyes07:12
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slomofabbione: are sure? there is no package with that name here... but there is initramfs-tools, don't know whether that's the correct one but anyways...07:13
{Seb}fabbione: same here07:13
fabbioneyeah initramfs-tools07:13
{Seb}initramfs-tools is already newest version07:13
fabbionewhatever07:13
fabbionethat one07:13
fabbioneif you still have problems after reinstalling the kernel, call jbailey for help07:14
{Seb}will do fabbione07:14
{Seb}have a good time :-)07:14
fabbionethanks07:14
fabbioneoh btw..07:14
fabbionestart to make some mental notes...07:14
fabbionei am not kernel maintainer anymore .. 7.11 was my last upload... :)07:14
{Seb}what are you doing now?07:14
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jsgotangcolol07:15
fabbione{Seb}: getting drunk.. a lot :)07:15
jbaileyfabbione: Sounds like a great idea =)07:15
fabbionejbailey: hey dude!07:15
{Seb}i meant ubuntu wise ;-)07:15
jsgotangcoi got drunk myself a few minutes ago..i need to sleep (1am)07:15
jbaileyfabbione: Heya.07:15
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fabbione{Seb}: ubuntu wise, i will make that everybody will be heavily drunk the release day07:15
fabbionemake + sure07:16
{Seb}sounds good07:16
fabbionelesson number 1:07:16
fabbione- you are not supposed to be on IRC on a sunday evening -07:16
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danielsfabbione: especially not at 0320.07:19
jsgotangcodaniels: its already monday07:20
danielsyes07:21
{Seb}jabeiley: can you help me with the kernel problem07:23
{Seb}jbailey: the error is it can't find /dev/hda107:23
{Seb}jbailey: i have the latest initramfs-tools07:24
{Seb}jbailey: and there are losts of errors reguarding interesting kernel modules07:24
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jbailey{Seb}: You're probably just missing a kernel module in the initramfs-tools07:25
jbaileyDo you know which one you need for your harddrive?07:25
{Seb}jbailey: pass07:25
{Seb}jbailey: i can get in on an older kernel - shall i try reconfiguring the kernel as fabbione suggested?07:26
karim__is there a way to use distcc with dpkg-build ?07:26
jbaileypass?07:26
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jbailey{Seb}: What arch are you on?07:27
{Seb}intel x8607:27
jbailey{Seb}: I don't see a kernel module named 'pass', are you sure?07:27
{Seb}no! when i said pass, i meant i don't know07:28
jbaileyOh.07:28
jbaileyCan you reboot to a working kernel so we can check, please?07:28
{Seb}yes07:29
{Seb}i'm on it now07:29
jbailey{Seb}: Please /msg me the output from lsmod07:29
{Seb}jbailey: is ther something you are looking for? i would be here all night07:30
jbaileyOh, you're not in X?07:30
{Seb}no07:30
jbailey{Seb}: lsmod | grep ^ide_code07:31
jbailey{Seb}: Might have everything I need in it.07:31
karim__hey07:33
karim__I am looking the rule file for the thing I want to compile07:33
karim__the make command is $MAKE07:34
karim__the make command is $(MAKE)07:34
karim__what is it ?07:34
mjg59Hurrah. ACPI is beaten.07:35
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mjg59daniels: What's the best way to autoconfig tablet PCs?07:48
mjg59daniels: (Assume that I can provide you with something that unambiguously identifies the machine as a tablet PC)07:48
\shk...I don't make it this evening...after working 16 hours in 2 days while it was weekend...I'm going to bed07:51
\shtomorrow more...07:51
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siretart\sh_away: very good idea07:54
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j^tseng just did a test here with static ips and its was indeed broken, a new packages that also works with static ips configured in /e/n/i is at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy07:57
danielsmjg59: in terms of wacom and shit? just plug it into dexconf a la synaptics08:03
mjg59daniels: Rock08:03
mjg59daniels: I'll take a look at that, then08:03
mjg59daniels: Is dexconf packaged separately from the entirity of X?08:06
mjg59URGH.08:11
mjg59The wacom_acpi driver is ENTIRELY POINTLESS08:11
danielsmjg59: dexconf is just in the xorg source package08:11
mjg59daniels: I need to download the source to X? Goddamnit.08:11
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danielsmjg59: 08:14
danielsxorg (6.9.99.0-1) breezy; urgency=low08:14
daniels  * The 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Beats?' release.08:14
daniels    + ... in which a once-mighty monolith is cut down to only a couple of08:14
daniels      metapackages.08:14
mjg59daniels: Hurrah!08:16
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danielsmjg59: there is nothing more mindblowingly shit than sitting on the couch at 0416 on monday morning writing debian/copyright files for every single video driver in the modular release08:17
mjg59daniels: I envy your life08:17
mjg59daniels: No, hang on...08:17
danielsmjg59: INTENSE08:19
danielsbed08:23
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ogra_ltspmdz, ping08:41
mdzogra_ltsp: pong08:43
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tsengj^: great, thanks08:44
ogra_ltspmdz, is there any way to force the timezone setting from the server to the client ? i can only get UTC time for the login screen08:45
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ogra_ltspmdz, i guess ltsp-build-client should read it from the server while setting up the client environment and run tzconfig...08:54
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mdzogra_ltsp: o python-pysqlite2: python-pysqlite2 python2.4-pysqlite209:12
mdz   [Reverse-Depends: gcompris, python-pysqlite2] 09:12
mdzogra_ltsp: (from http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt)09:12
ogra_ltspmdz, yes, i recognized it today, sorry, i already mailed pitti if he can review the report with higher prio... i missed that one ...09:13
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ogra_ltspthe gcompris-sound packages are added to the seed already....09:15
ogra_ltsp(that was based on my wrong assumption that seeds have source package names in them)09:15
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ogra_ltsps/have/can have09:18
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mistik1good day09:51
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mistik1for the purpose of research can someone running ubuntu please verify that the file /etc/ubuntu_version exist in ubuntu releases and is not a symlink?09:52
Mithrandirit doesn't09:53
Mithrandiruse the output of lsb_release -i -s instead.09:53
mistik1In that case, Is there a failsafe way to detect if we are running on ubuntu, vs debian?09:53
mistik1thank you09:54
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mistik1can you give me the output of that command. Please?09:54
Mithrandir: tfheen@thosu ~ > lsb_release -i -s09:54
MithrandirUbuntu09:54
mistik1lovely09:55
mistik1ubuntu was just added to the distro support list of my script ;-)09:56
mistik1thanks again09:56
SloMoSnailmistik1: what script?09:56
mistik1to install qmail with the Bill Shupp series of patches along with webmail, spam+antivirus filters(smtp level), web admin, and a frontend webpage.09:57
mistik1Btw: I assume lsb_release is also available on debian?10:03
Mithrandiryes, in the lsb-release package10:03
mistik1installed by default?10:04
MithrandirI don't think so.  Maybe10:04
mistik1ok, I'll keep the /etc/debian_version for compat sake then10:05
Mezmdz: ping10:05
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lathiatseb128, daniels: libgtk2.0-dev needs to dep on libxrandr-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxfixes-dev10:08
lathiatseb128, daniels: or whatever to fix that it wants those for pkg-config10:09
seb128lathiat: already reported to bugzilla, already marked as PENDINGUPLOAD, waiting for 2.8.110:10
lathiatseb128: ok cool10:10
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Simira*installing colony3*10:19
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pittiHi10:31
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pittiMoin ogra, still writing MI reports? :-)10:57
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pittiHi BenC 11:07
ograpitti, hopefully the last one...11:08
ogra:/11:09
sedakping seb12811:16
seb128pong?11:16
sedakhello11:16
seb128hi11:17
sedakare you the maintainer of libgtk2.0-dev ?11:17
sedaki'm quite new here ...11:17
seb128right11:17
sedaki think it depends on libxfixes-dev11:17
seb128<seb128> lathiat: already reported to bugzilla, already marked as PENDINGUPLOAD, waiting for 2.8.111:17
sedaklook at gdk-2.0.pc11:17
seb128I know thanks11:17
seb128as stated by bugzilla11:18
sedaksorry11:18
sedakthen11:18
seb128no need to be sorry11:18
sedaki just noticed ...11:18
seb128thanks for pointing it :)11:18
sedakno need to thank me ...11:18
sedak:-)11:18
ajmitchmorning11:29
ograseb128,     import xlib11:34
ograImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/xlib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory11:34
ograsabayon ^^^11:34
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seb128ogra: what version ?11:35
ogracurrent amd64, updatetd today11:35
seb128what version is that?11:35
seb128dpkg -l 11:35
ograheh, i shouldnt run dpkg -l on rookery11:36
ograogra@honk:~ $ dpkg -l |grep sabayon11:36
ograii  sabayon                                         2.11.90-0ubuntu411:36
seb128dpkg -l <package>11:36
seb128it's outdated11:36
ograoh11:36
seb128the issue is fixed with the next revision11:37
ograits that latest i can get here....11:37
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ograhmmm....11:38
seb128it has built according to the logs11:38
ograyup11:38
ograworks now (with a smalll error about not finding "gnome X session")11:41
ograseb128, any idea why i cant get sabayon to run over ltsp ? i only get a black embedded window... xnest doesnt seem to like ssh tunneled displays11:44
seb128nop11:45
seb128doesn't xnest work?11:45
ogralocally it does... i didnt dig further with ltsp... it just stayed black... i'll do more tests tomorrow11:45
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