=== jp [n=jp@216-155-90-244.bk2-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio [n=otavio@unaffiliated/otavio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable211.48-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxx_ [n=xxx@220.235.201.15] has joined #ubuntu-devel === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.155.107] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === xxx_ [n=xxx@220.235.201.15] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:29] <\sh> ok...when this is working..I have a running gajim with xmpp 1.0 SRV record recognition [12:29] \sh: REVU-material? [12:30] <\sh> Nafallo: yes [12:30] <\sh> Nafallo: dnspython is already in..I need it for this [12:31] <\sh> Nafallo: (on revu i mean) [12:31] \sh: I put it on todo then ;-) [12:31] but now, sleep [12:32] <\sh> Nafallo: gajim is really a good gtk app :) I like it :) === bob_too [n=chris@rrcs-24-153-179-246.sw.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.155.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] <\sh> strike [12:36] <\sh> tls is working so xmpp 1.0 SRV is fulfilled === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh_ [n=carstenh@p54A62296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] <\sh> ok..I have to wait for python2.4-gnome2-extras === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-54-176.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] <\sh> Bed time...cu later today.. === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-173-207-169.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SuperQ [n=ben@199.199.210.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbelem [n=rodrigo@201008165161.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.155.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-142.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbull [n=jonah@c-24-34-36-87.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-142.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbull [n=jonah@c-24-34-36-87.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-142.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.155.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@dD5E086DA.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === warthylog [n=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | Colony 3 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/ === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Thu Aug 18 22:43:17 2005 === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.219.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.219.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-183.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] Hi, I'm getting the following when trying to install scorched3d on colony 3: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>=2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but it is not installable [08:40] rob^, that is a question for #ubuntu-motu [08:40] okies [08:43] ahr! [08:44] jdub, hey! I cannot seem to login to the -users admin thingy [08:48] Burgundavia: log in to the moderator page admindb rather than admin [08:48] jdub, ok === r0bby_ [n=wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] jdub, still spitting me up errors. I can login and edit the -ca stuff [08:56] Burgundavia: i'll get in touch tonight - i'm actually in the country at pia's parents house :) [08:56] (fixing their internet) [08:56] jdub, ok [09:01] jdub, I would love to get to that 7k+ list of stuff to be dealt with === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby_ [n=wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-121-077.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia hugs mjg59 === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.150.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] <\sh> infinity: ping [10:00] hi === Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@65.99.191.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] hey === b3nw [n=m@242-122.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] why are people having to pay customs for ubuntu pressed cds? [10:05] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/ [10:06] grep for 3000 quetzales [10:07] thats insane [10:08] Diablo-D3, some people don't understand that the software can be free [10:08] I have to admit thats a strange concept [10:08] why wouldnt software be free? [10:09] regardless, that is reason [10:09] wtf [10:09] it is not really on topic for -devel either [10:09] well Im not sure where else to ask about this [10:09] it is not really an issue that can be solved by ubuntu/canonical [10:10] imo it should be added to that faq, however [10:11] "Warning: Some world governments are attempting to charge money for Linux via customs, please, instigate rebellion in those countries!" [10:11] or something like that [10:11] erk, nm, it actually /is/ there === Diablo-D3 didnt notice it before === b3nw [n=m@242-122.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mache [n=mache@mirceamitu.b.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerox [n=xerox@adsl-163-237.38-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] has anyone had experience using local companies to help distribute ubuntu cds? === xerox [n=xerox@adsl-163-237.38-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] like, leaving a box of them behind, with a sign saying "Take One, Its Free" or something === b3nw [n=m@242-122.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] in colony 3 is there a way to kill the installing packages bar and see whats going on? [10:20] b3nw, alt+f4? [10:20] oo thats a prob [10:20] i mean, switch to another console [10:20] i have to enter a yes or no [10:20] otherwise i'm stuck at 85% for life [10:20] :X [10:20] and thats why I only use apt-get [10:21] you started with a server install? === Diablo-D3 wonders if anyone has comments on that [10:22] b3nw, no, "normal" aka full install [10:22] Diablo-D3, yea, aptitude is much better than apt-get ;) [10:22] b3nw: Then thats a bug, please file a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com [10:23] yeah even if I type in yes or I type in No it doesn't continue [10:23] bleh [10:25] i installed a breezy machine (using netinstall) a few days ago and now i want to install another one [10:26] is there any way to use the packages already downloaded on the first one? [10:26] and to avoid downloading them again? [10:26] I do it by sharing my /var/apt/cache/archives dir over nfs [10:26] without apt-proxy or other cache proxies [10:26] i see [10:27] of course, I dont know if you can do that during the install... [10:28] if i put a ftp/http server on the first one [10:28] i suppose i can replicate the archive structure [10:28] yeah, you could always try that, but that seems to be a big pain in the ass [10:30] mache: why not use apt-proxy? [10:30] you can import pre-existing debs into it [10:30] Diablo-D3, i can? [10:30] humm [10:30] yeah, use the apt-proxy-import command [10:31] i'm reading now :) [10:31] i never knew about proxy-import === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] cool, i'll give it a try === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@150.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [n=robinho@201.19.248.186] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] has anyone heard of xorg allowing you to scroll with the mouse wheel down but not up? [11:17] nope [11:19] OK, planet is really ill... it every time it reads my feed, it thinks a post I did a few days ago was done at the moment it's reading the feed [11:19] Not Good [11:19] If you have something like '"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' in your xorg.conf but, while mwheeldown produces "button 5", mwheelup doesn't produce "button 4", that could happen. Othewise, no idea. [11:19] (Not that I've ever seen such a thing) === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@108.161-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [n=robinho@201.32.200.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0978.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] hi === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-022.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-222-123.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] any reason why linux-restricted-modules keeps uninstalling itself? === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ [n=mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pronik [n=pronik@i577A1FD2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] Hello, guys. Is it intended that latest totem is compiled without mozilla plugin? === gro [n=gro@ip-212-239-167-168.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hmrocha [n=hrocha@87-196-71-206.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] MEz : Uninstalling itself? [12:53] MEz : Do you have anything more concrete than that? :) [12:53] yeah [12:53] er# [12:53] no [12:53] Like, WHY is it being unsinstalled? :) [12:53] other than the fact I keep notcing when I come to play games it's not installed [12:54] I'm just trying to find that out :D [12:54] I think it's something to do with kernel updates [12:54] Well, I just uplaoded a new version that should clear up some dependency issues, maybbe that'll make you happy. [12:54] Also, if you odn't have the linux-image metapaches installed, you won't get new restricted-modules automatically with new kernels. [12:54] Maybe that's your issue. [12:55] metapackages, too. Wow, can Iever type. [12:56] I do seem to have the metapacakges installed [12:56] ii linux-image-k7 2.6.12.11 [12:57] oh wait [12:58] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dnspython-0508210015/dnspython_1.3.4-0ubuntu0.1.diff.gz [12:58] sorry [12:58] ii linux-restricted-modules 2.6.12.2-1 [12:58] No packages found matching linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-7-k7. [12:58] You want 'linux-k7' if you want restriced modules by default. [12:58] ty === winkle [n=winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [n=robinho@201.32.215.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pronik [n=pronik@i577A1FD2.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:05] when maintaining packages with baz, what is preferred arch-buildpackage or tla-buildpackage? or did I miss something? === Yvonne [n=fsck@cn-sdm-cr02-2552.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] siretart : Whichever you like better, I suppose. Or neither. [01:08] infinity: hm. I was looking for something similar to svn-buildpackage, but for baz. I'm trying to get used to it [01:10] infinity: good to see you here, I noticed you uploaded yesterday a new xorg, with some changes to mesa/gl packages. is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition still uptodate regarding the build dependencies? === hmrocha is away: coding === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] siretart : Wasn't right, but I've updated it for you. [01:14] siretart : I may well finish up the transition for Universe in the next day or so anyway, so the point might be moot. [01:15] siretart : I've already done main/restricted. [01:15] (Well, restricted will be done when I figure out how I managed to break l-r-m and reupload it) [01:15] ah, so we go from xorg gl/glu headers to mesa headers, right? [01:19] Yup. [01:19] ooc, why did we drop libcairo1 from the archives before at least all things for ubuntu-desktop had been transitioned? [01:19] lathiat : Because it was generated from the same source as libcairo2. [01:19] infinity: ah [01:19] lathiat : It'll sort itself shortly. Development releases aren't meant to be user friendly. :) [01:20] i know [01:20] just annoying tryign to test stuff when things aren't installable thats all ;) === rubenv [n=ruben@83-134-128-87.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] lathiat : Grab libcairo1.deb from a Colony3 CD and install it. :) [01:20] yeh thats what im doing [01:20] heh [01:20] wiating for it to rsync === shackan [n=shackan@host33-107.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === {Seb} [n={Seb}@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] <{Seb}> there seems to be an installer bug with colony 3 === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-49-189.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] <{Seb}> after installing it on my laptop [02:03] <{Seb}> and booting up, it said 'Can not find device /dev/hda1' === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p5489346B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@p5487CD09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60EB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A60EB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] {Seb}, it doesn't completely boot and drops you in a busybox shell ? === Robinho_Peixoto [n=robinho@201.32.215.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] <{Seb}> yep [02:41] <{Seb}> known bug? === pirast [n=martin@p508B16BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@p5487CD09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B16BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === topyli [n=juha@dsl-hkigw3pa5.dial.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D54E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] {Seb}, I had a similar problem when upgrading breezy to kernel version 2.6.12-7-10 on my laptop === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A619DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbelem is now known as rbelem-afk === blueyed [n=daniel@iD4CC126E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] <{Seb}> well - i've installed it from colony 2 and dist-upgrading as we speak === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A619DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger [n=tobias@p54A619DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@85.201.1.155] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] Hello [03:49] Damien Sandras, gnomemeeting's author, want to talk about shtoom vs gnomemeeting in Ubuntu [03:50] Where's the best place for that ? [03:50] <\sh> #ubuntu-meeting ? [03:50] <\sh> when? [03:51] yes, indeed, when ;-) [03:51] which meeting is the best ? [03:51] <\sh> TB [03:51] to put it in the agenda [03:51] <\sh> technical board [03:51] <\sh> or he just appears here..:) I took over the project [03:52] \sh, you are the maintener of shtoom ? [03:53] <\sh> ploum: I will package it and took over the project from thom [03:53] ok :-) [03:53] is the project funded by Ubuntu fundation ? (or maybe bounties) [03:53] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ShtoomVoip [03:53] <\sh> this is the UDU Project description [03:54] \sh, have you any idea why shtoom was choosen over gnomemeeting as a VoIP ? [03:55] gnomemeeting doesn't do SIP, does it? [03:55] gnomemeeting doesnt do sip [03:55] its WIP [03:55] <\sh> yes...shtoom is python, easy to extend and it's UI independend === shackan [n=shackan@host68-79.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] <\sh> gnomemeeting wants to support sip, when I remembered some of the goals on the faq, right? [03:55] <\sh> but [03:56] <\sh> will it support jabber as well? or at least simple? [03:56] gnomemeeting's next major release supports sip, but dunno how that's coming along [03:56] its sortof working on a branch === jbull [n=jonah@c-24-34-36-87.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Snark [n=jpuydt@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-92-211.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] salut [03:56] <\sh> ploum: I have to think about kde as well :) === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === damien__ [n=damien@170-196.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheBonsai [n=bonsai@p54936F3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheBonsai [n=bonsai@p54936F3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Be] [03:58] \sh, Gnomemeeting is doing SIP for me for some months [03:58] but I think that debian and Ubuntu packages are CVS snapshots [03:58] for KDE, indeed, that's another problem [03:59] <\sh> ploum: that is one of the biggest :) UI independency :) [04:01] <\sh> ploum: and shtoom is only a high-level api to twisteds SIP api...taking care about sound stuff etc. [04:01] indeed, but I've one major point for Gnomemeeting : it works :-) [04:01] (shtoom doesn't work here) [04:01] <\sh> ploum: shtoom works as well [04:02] <\sh> I just tested it with a local voip provider here :) [04:02] <\sh> ploum: latest SVN HEAD of shtoom indeed [04:02] (well, I have only tried those old deb packages ;-) ) === Elleo [n=Elleo@shellsong.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] <\sh> ploum: forget them :) twisted 2.x + shtoom svn head == working...actually the UIs are a bit non-userfriendly [04:03] \sh, what codecs does shtoom use ? [04:04] and, I'm a bit curious about this mysterious "dot ubuntu" === ploum is very curious about this [04:05] <\sh> ploum: I have to check...but it's pluggable [04:06] <\sh> G711 ULAW (aka PCMU) [04:06] <\sh> with pygsm it handles as well GSM 06.10. [04:07] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dotUbuntu <- everything about dotUbuntu :) [04:07] I only see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient [04:08] Where's the "ConquerTheWorld" page in this wiki ? [04:08] ;-) === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] <\sh> yeah me too ,-) [04:08] hi [04:09] \sh, I remember seing bounties about shtoom [04:09] is it possible or am I wrong ? [04:10] <\sh> ploum: i don't find anything for shtoom but for the registration client...actually I'm not interessted in bounties :) [04:11] I've read somewhere that shtoom is funded by Ubuntu (or MArk Shuttleworth) but I can't find it anymore [04:11] is this true ? [04:12] By the way I really like the dotUbuntu idea :-) [04:12] <\sh> ploum: /join #shtoom [04:12] <\sh> and ask anthony [04:14] aaaaargh ! [04:14] (f*** breezy gnome-panel !) [04:14] Thx \sh :-) [04:14] <\sh> ploum: there are some more things I want to include into this goal... [04:14] 15:13 @ chpe | yeah, I've seen it on gtk-d\evel-list [04:15] argh, sorry [04:15] http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ [04:17] ohrealy. [04:17] j^: what are the odds of those actually working? :) === lu|away hopes for 'high' [04:18] j^: ? [04:19] lu|away i use them [04:19] you have to remove bind9 from /etc/rc?.d/ [04:21] http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/ are also the baz sources [04:22] regarding the bind9 issue http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13491 === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] infinity these NetworkManager packages are what is taged as 0.4.1 in NetworkManager CVS [04:31] j^: add a readme there for potential testers === Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@65.99.191.4] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:38] j^: that wont dhcp for me [04:38] j^: just keeps starting over [04:38] j^: is there a way to get debug/log? === Snark [n=jpuydt@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-92-211.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] buh [04:46] buh? moeh! === m0rphx [n=morph@p213.54.135.231.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === rubenv [n=ruben@83-134-128-87.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] can somebody who runs an openssh-server on a breezy machine try and login to it with "sftp" please, i can't do it on mine and i think its a bug === mjg59 tracks down ACPI PNP weirdness [05:07] mdke: sec, booting one [05:07] actually... [05:07] it's my bad I think [05:08] yeah [05:10] sorry! [05:10] had to backup to it anyway :-) [05:10] :) === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] mdz: ping === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.150.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] tseng you can look in syslog === jp_ [n=jp@216-155-93-10.bk2-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:25] tseng you need dhcp3-client installed, dhcdbd is still misssing that dependency [05:25] i have both [05:25] brb ill see what comes up in messages === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089E3A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@p5487CD09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] Aug 21 11:25:42 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason [05:27] i get that too [05:27] but it still works [05:27] buh [05:27] mine starts claiming to dhcp, then the progress bar drops off and its still spinning [05:27] then no connection icon [05:27] and do you see any message from dhclient in syslog? [05:28] no [05:28] the hoary version is broken like hell [05:28] I feel very tempted to upgrade to breezy again :-) [05:28] was dhclient running before? [05:28] um [05:28] yes [05:28] kill it === xerox [n=xerox@adsl-163-237.38-151.net24.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Channel] [05:29] k [05:29] there should be no audto stanca in /etc/network/interfaces [05:29] and /etc/init.d/networking start should not configure any interface [05:30] um [05:30] ok. [05:31] i dont think that was an issue with the old packages [05:31] j^: lo? [05:32] rubenv lo should be ok [05:32] NetworkManager will also configure lo though [05:33] hmmm, breezy is highly broken, I'll delay my upgrade for a while (till all is on libcairo2) [05:34] none of that helps much === slomo [n=slomo@p5487CD09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] tseng still no message from dhclient in syslog? [05:34] no [05:35] yes [05:35] Aug 21 11:32:31 localhost dhcdbd: Shut down. [05:35] Aug 21 11:32:39 localhost dhcdbd: Started up. [05:35] did you just install dhcdbd? [05:35] no [05:35] if so, did you restart dbus? === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089E3A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] yes === towolf [n=towolf@dsl-084-059-147-091.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@p5487CD09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B16BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B16BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:37] and is dhclient running? [05:37] here i have something like [05:37] /sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -e dhc_dbus=31 -x -d eth0 [05:37] in ps ax [05:37] it is when i have to use it to get back on the network [05:37] but i kill it in between tests [05:37] it should be started by /sbin/dhcdbd [05:39] /sbin/dhclient --version [05:39] isc-dhclient-V3.0.2 [05:41] nm is starting /sbin/dhclient --version [05:41] no [05:41] isc-dhclient-V3.0.2 [05:41] something is, after I kill it and restart dbus [05:42] what you can try as root: NetworkManager --no-daemon [05:42] that way you get the output in the terminal [05:42] and the applet with nm-applet --sm-disable [05:42] as user [05:47] i just fixed the whole flashy-black-rectangles on window start and switch in breezy [05:47] 'twas a gtk bug [05:47] <\sh> daniels: u fixed the crashing gnome-panel as well? ;) [05:48] no way [05:48] that's seb's problem [05:48] j^: http://tseng.ath.cx/nmlog [05:49] tseng did you have nm installed before? [05:49] j^: yes. [05:49] and you use WEP? [05:49] yes [05:49] ACPI CRACK [05:49] tseng try to select connect to other wireles network [05:49] mjg59: :) [05:50] j^: same thing [05:50] and enter your networkname and wep key again [05:50] daniels: yay [05:50] daniels: that was annoying me :) [05:50] yeah ive done that [05:50] including the wep key. there was an issue with old keys [05:52] NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed [05:52] this is strange [05:53] ive put in the key 100 times now === lupus1010 [n=lupus@dD5E03EB8.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] can you try ifconfig eth0 down before starting NM [05:55] what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? [05:55] j^: Does NM use that? === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089E3A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] j^: I thought NM had it's own means of configuration. [05:56] http://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces [05:56] quick [05:56] steal my wifi [05:56] ah [05:56] you have to take that out [05:57] that affects things why? [05:57] hunger NM uses static ip configurations from /e/n/i if present [05:57] it should still not fail [05:57] j^: Where does NM get it's other configuration from? [05:57] is commenting good enough? [05:57] tseng should do [05:58] good, i dont trust nm [05:58] hunger which other information? === ogra_ltsp quickly attaches his laptop to http://www.nordeifel.de/effelsberg/teleskop-totale.jpg next door to steal tseng's wireless === tseng does the restart/kill everything dance again [05:58] j^: WLAN keys, etc. [05:58] ogra_ltsp: haha! [05:58] :) === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200217143129.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] hunger gconf and keyring of the user [05:59] j^: Why doesen't it store IP settings there as well? [05:59] j^: Having several places to check for network setup is evil IMHO. [06:00] NM does not support static ips [06:00] still it uses the distros information if present [06:00] still no luck [06:00] j^: It does set it up, isen't that "supporting"? [06:00] j^: Will it pick up WLAN keys from /e/n/i as well? [06:01] its part of the distribution backend. [06:01] one could also take it out [06:01] and say no static ips at all [06:01] it will only take ip settings from /e/n/i [06:01] if iface eth1 inet static is present [06:01] so far my little dance involves, ifconfig eth{0,1} down, killall dhc*, restart dbus, killall nm-applet [06:01] then try again [06:02] j^: Why not add that into NM as well and remove /e/n/i entirely? [06:02] tseng you can also just do killall -9 NetworkManger [06:02] killall -9 named [06:02] NetworkManger --no-daemon [06:02] killall nm-applet [06:02] what is the dispatcher part [06:03] j^: That would get rid of the distro-part entirely and might even make things more uniform across distros;-) [06:03] dispatcher is not used right now [06:03] you can ignore it [06:03] it would allow you to have scripts that are run on connect [06:04] NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed [06:04] hunger i agree with you, but dan did it this way to start with === tseng gives up [06:04] in a next step NM should also provide a cross distribution way to configure static ips (imho) [06:05] what does your interfaces file look like right now? === karim__ [n=karim@AAubervilliers-152-1-25-7.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] hi [06:06] http://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces [06:06] like this [06:06] can you try [06:06] auto lo [06:06] iface lo inet loopback [06:06] iface eth1 inet dhcp [06:06] iface eth0 inet dhcp [06:06] you still have [06:06] iface eth1 inet static [06:06] if you also take that out [06:06] it should work [06:06] ok [06:06] j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-) [06:06] not sure about the mapping thing [06:07] hunger well it will not work [06:08] j^: Yeap... the only effect I see when starting NM is that it breaks eth0 so that I have to ifdown/ifup it;-) [06:08] holy crap [06:08] j^: thats it, i feel stupid. [06:08] hunger but since, if you use NM you dont need that any longer in /e/n/i you can replace it with [06:09] http://bootlab.org/~j/interfaces [06:09] j^: I can't... it breaks eth0... and nm-applet does not show any icon. [06:09] j^: thanks [06:10] hunger define it breaks [06:10] j^: It does break its configuration so that I need to ifdown/ifup it. === BenC [n=bcollins@ip68-107-227-12.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] if nm-applet does not show up it could be that your wireless card driver is broken [06:10] tseng no problem [06:11] tseng its always good to know what the problems are. [06:11] j^: There is no wlan driver for my card. [06:11] ? [06:11] j^: Well, not in ubuntu that is:-) [06:12] j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-) [06:12] so you do that without a wireless driver? === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] j^: I used that /e/n/i with my own kernels... it does work great there. [06:13] hunger still not able to parse your statement [06:13] j^: I switched to the default ubuntu kernels not and they have no madwifi. [06:13] <\sh> hunger: they have [06:13] NM does not work for your because you have your own kernel installed? [06:13] j^: s/not/recently/. [06:14] mjg59, ping [06:14] Burgundavia: Hi [06:14] j^: I didn't try NM with my own kernels... only with the default ubuntu ones which have no madwifi. [06:14] hunger: Yes they do [06:14] Install linux-restricted-modules [06:14] j^: Well, the newest version has... but those are completly broken and do not load. [06:14] mjg59, for the hotkey stuff, is there a good guide on how to file a bug about those? [06:14] hunger well, thats a bad test, dont expect NM to fix your kernel [06:15] Burgundavia: Not really [06:15] j^: No, I expect NM to work with my ethernet card in absense of WLAN drivers. [06:15] mjg59, can you email me what would be the best procedure and I can edit the wiki page with instructions accordingly [06:16] Burgundavia: Ok, will try [06:16] (Bit tied up at the moment) [06:16] mjg59, I am also writing an email about various things that people might make mistakes on (not telling us about ootb support, upgrades instead of installs, etc.) [06:16] j^: nm-applet does not show up without wlan drivers (or so it seems to me), so I count it as broken. [06:16] Burgundavia: Ok, cool [06:17] mjg59, I am about to leave for work, but tomorrow I have the day off, so we can coordinate tomorrow [06:17] Burgundavia: Ok, cool === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] hunger it should show up now. [06:18] not showing up was an issue with earlier version of nm [06:20] j^: Right... now I get lots of connections refused from dbus. [06:21] hunger did you restart dbus? === trygvebw [n=trygvebw@216-84-238.5002.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] evening [06:23] Is Breezy broken atm, or is it pretty safe to dist-upgrade? [06:24] works for me [06:24] oaky [06:24] *okay. [06:24] How long is it since you dist-upgraded? [06:24] err, bad idea as usual, particularly because libcairo1 has gone and a whole tonne of stuff deps on it atm. [06:24] if anything, use colony 3 [06:24] this morning, CEST time. [06:24] oh [06:24] So GNOME won't work? [06:24] and then dist upgrade if you like [06:24] as you'll have cairo1 and ebook1.2-3 installed then [06:24] okay. [06:25] but if your just a general end user then your better off waiting. [06:25] i'll just stay with my current Breezy install then :) [06:26] <\sh> trygvebw: if you have breezy running...it's ok I think to dist-upgrade again [06:26] oh, okay :) [06:26] i'll try ;) [06:26] <\sh> well..the gnome-panel is a bit flakey [06:26] ah [06:26] thanks. === trygvebw [n=trygvebw@216-84-238.5002.adsl.tele2.no] has left #ubuntu-devel ["b00t-b00t"] [06:31] hm [06:31] [ 63.091429] /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 [06:31] [ 63.125792] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 [06:31] [ 1817.987114] idr_remove called for id=1024 which is not allocated. [06:31] [ 1817.987161] [] sub_remove+0xf4/0xf6 [06:31] [ 1817.987254] [] idr_remove+0x2f/0xaa [06:31] [ 1817.987273] [] remove_watch_no_event+0x58/0xb2 [06:31] [ 1817.987294] [] inotify_inode_is_dead+0x46/0x72 [06:32]