[12:29] <\sh> ok...when this is working..I have a running gajim with xmpp 1.0 SRV record recognition
[12:29] <Nafallo> \sh: REVU-material?
[12:30] <\sh> Nafallo: yes
[12:30] <\sh> Nafallo: dnspython is already in..I need it for this
[12:31] <\sh> Nafallo: (on revu i mean)
[12:31] <Nafallo> \sh: I put it on todo then ;-)
[12:31] <Nafallo> but now, sleep
[12:32] <\sh> Nafallo: gajim is really a good gtk app :) I like it :)
[12:35] <\sh> strike
[12:36] <\sh> tls is working so xmpp 1.0 SRV is fulfilled
[12:59] <\sh> ok..I have to wait for python2.4-gnome2-extras 
[01:02] <\sh> Bed time...cu later today..
[08:40] <rob^> Hi, I'm getting the following when trying to install scorched3d on colony 3:  Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>=2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but it is not installable
[08:40] <Burgundavia> rob^, that is a question for #ubuntu-motu
[08:40] <rob^> okies
[08:43] <jdub> ahr!
[08:44] <Burgundavia> jdub, hey! I cannot seem to login to the -users admin thingy
[08:48] <jdub> Burgundavia: log in to the moderator page admindb rather than admin
[08:48] <Burgundavia> jdub, ok
[08:49] <Burgundavia> jdub, still spitting me up errors. I can login and edit the -ca stuff
[08:56] <jdub> Burgundavia: i'll get in touch tonight - i'm actually in the country at pia's parents house :)
[08:56] <jdub> (fixing their internet)
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jdub, ok
[09:01] <Burgundavia> jdub, I would love to get to that 7k+ list of stuff to be dealt with
[09:59] <\sh> infinity: ping
[10:00] <kagou> hi
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> hey
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> why are people having to pay customs for ubuntu pressed cds?
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> grep for 3000 quetzales
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> thats insane
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Diablo-D3, some people don't understand that the software can be free
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> I have to admit thats a strange concept
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> why wouldnt software be free?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> regardless, that is reason
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> wtf
[10:09] <Burgundavia> it is not really on topic for -devel either
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> well Im not sure where else to ask about this
[10:09] <Burgundavia> it is not really an issue that can be solved by ubuntu/canonical
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> imo it should be added to that faq, however
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> "Warning: Some world governments are attempting to charge money for Linux via customs, please, instigate rebellion in those countries!"
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> or something like that
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> erk, nm, it actually /is/ there
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> has anyone had experience using local companies to help distribute ubuntu cds?
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> like, leaving a box of them behind, with a sign saying "Take One, Its Free" or something
[10:19] <b3nw> in colony 3 is there a way to kill the installing packages bar and see whats going on?
[10:20] <mache> b3nw, alt+f4?
[10:20] <b3nw> oo thats a prob
[10:20] <mache> i mean, switch to another console
[10:20] <b3nw> i have to enter a yes or no
[10:20] <b3nw> otherwise i'm stuck at 85% for life
[10:20] <b3nw> :X
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> and thats why I only use apt-get
[10:21] <b3nw> you started with a server install?
[10:22] <mache> b3nw, no, "normal" aka full install
[10:22] <mache> Diablo-D3, yea, aptitude is much better than apt-get ;)
[10:22] <lathiat> b3nw: Then thats a bug, please file a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <b3nw> yeah even if I type in yes or I type in No it doesn't continue
[10:23] <b3nw> bleh
[10:25] <mache> i installed a breezy machine (using netinstall) a few days ago and now i want to install another one
[10:26] <mache> is there any way to use the packages already downloaded on the first one?
[10:26] <mache> and to avoid downloading them again?
[10:26] <Diablo-D3> I do it by sharing my /var/apt/cache/archives dir over nfs
[10:26] <mache> without apt-proxy or other cache proxies
[10:26] <mache> i see
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> of course, I dont know if you can do that during the install...
[10:28] <mache> if i put a ftp/http server on the first one
[10:28] <mache> i suppose i can replicate the archive structure
[10:28] <Diablo-D3> yeah, you could always try that, but that seems to be a big pain in the ass
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> mache: why not use apt-proxy?
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> you can import pre-existing debs into it
[10:30] <mache> Diablo-D3, i can?
[10:30] <mache> humm
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> yeah, use the apt-proxy-import command
[10:31] <mache> i'm reading now :)
[10:31] <mache> i never knew about proxy-import
[10:36] <mache> cool, i'll give it a try
[11:17] <b3nw> has anyone heard of xorg allowing you to scroll with the mouse wheel down but not up?
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> nope
[11:19] <Treenaks> OK, planet is really ill... it every time it reads my feed, it thinks a post I did a few days ago was done at the moment it's reading the feed
[11:19] <Treenaks> Not Good
[11:19] <infinity> If you have something like '"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' in your xorg.conf but, while mwheeldown produces "button 5", mwheelup doesn't produce "button 4", that could happen.  Othewise, no idea.
[11:19] <infinity> (Not that I've ever seen such a thing)
[11:43] <ivoks> hi
[12:25] <Mez|WoW> any reason why linux-restricted-modules keeps uninstalling itself?
[12:47] <pronik> Hello, guys. Is it intended that latest totem is compiled without mozilla plugin?
[12:53] <infinity> MEz : Uninstalling itself?
[12:53] <infinity> MEz : Do you have anything more concrete than that? :)
[12:53] <MEz> yeah
[12:53] <MEz> er#
[12:53] <MEz> no
[12:53] <infinity> Like, WHY is it being unsinstalled? :)
[12:53] <MEz> other than the fact I keep notcing when I come to play games it's not installed
[12:54] <MEz> I'm just trying to find that out :D
[12:54] <MEz> I think it's something to do with kernel updates
[12:54] <infinity> Well, I just uplaoded a new version that should clear up some dependency issues, maybbe that'll make you happy.
[12:54] <infinity> Also, if you odn't have the linux-image metapaches installed, you won't get new restricted-modules automatically with new kernels.
[12:54] <infinity> Maybe that's your issue.
[12:55] <infinity> metapackages, too.  Wow, can Iever type.
[12:56] <Mez> I do seem to have the metapacakges installed
[12:56] <Mez> ii  linux-image-k7           2.6.12.11  
[12:57] <Mez> oh wait
[12:58] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dnspython-0508210015/dnspython_1.3.4-0ubuntu0.1.diff.gz
[12:58] <Mez> sorry
[12:58] <Mez> ii  linux-restricted-modules 2.6.12.2-1 
[12:58] <Mez> No packages found matching linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-7-k7.
[12:58] <infinity> You want 'linux-k7' if you want restriced modules by default.
[12:58] <Mez> ty
[01:05] <siretart> when maintaining packages with baz, what is preferred arch-buildpackage or tla-buildpackage? or did I miss something?
[01:07] <infinity> siretart : Whichever you like better, I suppose.  Or neither.
[01:08] <siretart> infinity: hm. I was looking for something similar to svn-buildpackage, but for baz. I'm trying to get used to it
[01:10] <siretart> infinity: good to see you here, I noticed you uploaded yesterday a new xorg, with some changes to mesa/gl packages. is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition still uptodate regarding the build dependencies?
[01:14] <infinity> siretart : Wasn't right, but I've updated it for you.
[01:14] <infinity> siretart : I may well finish up the transition for Universe in the next day or so anyway, so the point might be moot.
[01:15] <infinity> siretart : I've already done main/restricted.
[01:15] <infinity> (Well, restricted will be done when I figure out how I managed to break l-r-m and reupload it)
[01:15] <siretart> ah, so we go from xorg gl/glu headers to mesa headers, right?
[01:19] <infinity> Yup.
[01:19] <lathiat> ooc, why did we drop libcairo1 from the archives before at least all things for ubuntu-desktop had been transitioned?
[01:19] <infinity> lathiat : Because it was generated from the same source as libcairo2.
[01:19] <lathiat> infinity: ah
[01:19] <infinity> lathiat : It'll sort itself shortly.  Development releases aren't meant to be user friendly. :)
[01:20] <lathiat> i know
[01:20] <lathiat> just annoying tryign to test stuff when things aren't installable thats all ;)
[01:20] <infinity> lathiat : Grab libcairo1.deb from a Colony3 CD and install it. :)
[01:20] <lathiat> yeh thats what im doing
[01:20] <lathiat> heh
[01:20] <lathiat> wiating for it to rsync
[01:54] <{Seb}> there seems to be an installer bug with colony 3
[02:03] <{Seb}> after installing it on my laptop
[02:03] <{Seb}> and booting up, it said 'Can not find device /dev/hda1'
[02:29] <JanC> {Seb}, it doesn't completely boot and drops you in a busybox shell ?
[02:40] <{Seb}> yep
[02:41] <{Seb}> known bug?
[03:01] <JanC> {Seb}, I had a similar problem when upgrading breezy to kernel version 2.6.12-7-10 on my laptop
[03:34] <{Seb}> well - i've installed it from colony 2 and dist-upgrading as we speak
[03:49] <ploum> Hello
[03:49] <ploum> Damien Sandras, gnomemeeting's author, want to talk about shtoom vs gnomemeeting in Ubuntu
[03:50] <ploum> Where's the best place for that ?
[03:50] <\sh> #ubuntu-meeting ?
[03:50] <\sh> when?
[03:51] <ploum> yes, indeed, when ;-)
[03:51] <ploum> which meeting is the best ?
[03:51] <\sh> TB
[03:51] <ploum> to put it in the agenda
[03:51] <\sh> technical board
[03:51] <\sh> or he just appears here..:) I took over the project
[03:52] <ploum> \sh, you are the maintener of shtoom ?
[03:53] <\sh> ploum: I will package it and took over the project from thom
[03:53] <ploum> ok :-)
[03:53] <ploum> is the project funded by Ubuntu fundation ? (or maybe bounties)
[03:53] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ShtoomVoip
[03:53] <\sh> this is the UDU Project description
[03:54] <ploum> \sh, have you any idea why shtoom was choosen over gnomemeeting as a VoIP ?
[03:55] <Mithrandir> gnomemeeting doesn't do SIP, does it?
[03:55] <tseng> gnomemeeting doesnt do sip
[03:55] <tseng> its WIP
[03:55] <\sh> yes...shtoom is python, easy to extend and it's UI independend
[03:55] <\sh> gnomemeeting wants to support sip, when I remembered some of the goals on the faq, right?
[03:55] <\sh> but 
[03:56] <\sh> will it support jabber as well? or at least simple?
[03:56] <mjr> gnomemeeting's next major release supports sip, but dunno how that's coming along
[03:56] <tseng> its sortof working on a branch
[03:56] <Snark> salut
[03:56] <\sh> ploum: I have to think about kde as well :)
[03:58] <ploum> \sh, Gnomemeeting is doing SIP for me for some months
[03:58] <ploum> but I think that debian and Ubuntu packages are CVS snapshots
[03:58] <ploum> for KDE, indeed, that's another problem
[03:59] <\sh> ploum: that is one of the biggest :) UI independency :)
[04:01] <\sh> ploum: and shtoom is only a high-level api to twisteds SIP api...taking care about sound stuff etc.
[04:01] <ploum> indeed, but I've one major point for Gnomemeeting : it works :-)
[04:01] <ploum> (shtoom doesn't work here)
[04:01] <\sh> ploum: shtoom works as well
[04:02] <\sh> I just tested it with a local voip provider here :)
[04:02] <\sh> ploum: latest SVN HEAD of shtoom indeed
[04:02] <ploum> (well, I have only tried those old deb packages ;-) )
[04:03] <\sh> ploum: forget them :) twisted 2.x + shtoom svn head == working...actually the UIs are a bit non-userfriendly
[04:03] <ploum> \sh, what codecs does shtoom use ?
[04:04] <ploum> and, I'm a bit curious about this mysterious "dot ubuntu" 
[04:05] <\sh> ploum: I have to check...but it's pluggable
[04:06] <\sh> G711 ULAW (aka PCMU)
[04:06] <\sh> with pygsm it handles as well GSM 06.10.
[04:07] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dotUbuntu <- everything about dotUbuntu :)
[04:07] <ploum> I only see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient
[04:08] <ploum> Where's the "ConquerTheWorld" page in this wiki ?
[04:08] <ploum> ;-)
[04:08] <\sh> yeah me too ,-)
[04:08] <pef> hi
[04:09] <ploum> \sh, I remember seing bounties about shtoom
[04:09] <ploum> is it possible or am I wrong ?
[04:10] <\sh> ploum: i don't find anything for shtoom but for the registration client...actually I'm not interessted in bounties :)
[04:11] <ploum> I've read somewhere that shtoom is funded by Ubuntu (or MArk Shuttleworth) but I can't find it anymore
[04:11] <ploum> is this true ?
[04:12] <ploum> By the way I really like the dotUbuntu idea :-)
[04:12] <\sh> ploum: /join #shtoom 
[04:12] <\sh> and ask anthony
[04:14] <ploum> aaaaargh !
[04:14] <ploum> (f*** breezy gnome-panel !)
[04:14] <ploum> Thx \sh :-)
[04:14] <\sh> ploum: there are some more things I want to include into this goal...
[04:14] <crispin> 15:13 @         chpe | yeah, I've seen it on gtk-d\evel-list
[04:15] <crispin> argh, sorry
[04:15] <j^> http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[04:17] <lu|away> ohrealy.
[04:17] <lu|away> j^: what are the odds of those actually working? :)
[04:18] <siretart> j^: ?
[04:19] <j^> lu|away i use them
[04:19] <j^> you have to remove bind9 from /etc/rc?.d/
[04:21] <j^> http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/ are also the baz sources
[04:22] <j^> regarding the bind9 issue http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13491
[04:31] <j^> infinity these NetworkManager packages are what is taged as 0.4.1 in NetworkManager CVS
[04:31] <rubenv> j^: add a readme there for potential testers
[04:38] <tseng> j^: that wont dhcp for me
[04:38] <tseng> j^: just keeps starting over
[04:38] <tseng> j^: is there a way to get debug/log?
[04:45] <tseng> buh
[04:46] <Alex> buh? moeh!
[05:06] <mdke> can somebody who runs an openssh-server on a breezy machine try and login to it with "sftp" please, i can't do it on mine and i think its a bug
[05:07] <rubenv> mdke: sec, booting one
[05:07] <mdke> actually...
[05:07] <mdke> it's my bad I think
[05:08] <mdke> yeah
[05:10] <mdke> sorry!
[05:10] <rubenv> had to backup to it anyway :-)
[05:10] <mdke> :)
[05:13] <Mez> mdz: ping
[05:20] <j^> tseng you can look in syslog
[05:25] <j^> tseng you need dhcp3-client installed, dhcdbd is still misssing that dependency
[05:25] <tseng> i have both
[05:25] <tseng> brb ill see what comes up in messages
[05:26] <tseng> Aug 21 11:25:42 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason
[05:27] <j^> i get that too
[05:27] <j^> but it still works
[05:27] <tseng> buh
[05:27] <tseng> mine starts claiming to dhcp, then the progress bar drops off and its still spinning
[05:27] <tseng> then no connection icon
[05:27] <j^> and do you see any message from dhclient in syslog?
[05:28] <tseng> no
[05:28] <rubenv> the hoary version is broken like hell
[05:28] <rubenv> I feel very tempted to upgrade to breezy again :-)
[05:28] <j^> was dhclient running before?
[05:28] <tseng> um
[05:28] <tseng> yes
[05:28] <j^> kill it
[05:29] <tseng> k
[05:29] <j^> there should be no audto stanca in /etc/network/interfaces 
[05:29] <j^> and /etc/init.d/networking start should not configure any interface
[05:30] <tseng> um
[05:30] <tseng> ok.
[05:31] <tseng> i dont think that was an issue with the old packages
[05:31] <rubenv> j^: lo?
[05:32] <j^> rubenv lo should be ok
[05:32] <j^> NetworkManager will also configure lo though
[05:33] <rubenv> hmmm, breezy is highly broken, I'll delay my upgrade for a while (till all is on libcairo2)
[05:34] <tseng> none of that helps much
[05:34] <j^> tseng still no message from dhclient in syslog?
[05:34] <tseng> no
[05:35] <tseng> yes
[05:35] <tseng> Aug 21 11:32:31 localhost dhcdbd: Shut down.
[05:35] <tseng> Aug 21 11:32:39 localhost dhcdbd: Started up.
[05:35] <j^> did you just install dhcdbd?
[05:35] <tseng> no
[05:35] <j^> if so, did you restart dbus?
[05:36] <tseng> yes
[05:37] <j^> and is dhclient running?
[05:37] <j^> here i have something like
[05:37] <j^> /sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -e dhc_dbus=31 -x -d eth0
[05:37] <j^> in ps ax
[05:37] <tseng> it is when i have to use it to get back on the network
[05:37] <tseng> but i kill it in between tests
[05:37] <j^> it should be started by /sbin/dhcdbd
[05:39] <j^> /sbin/dhclient --version
[05:39] <j^> isc-dhclient-V3.0.2
[05:41] <tseng> nm is starting /sbin/dhclient --version
[05:41] <j^> no
[05:41] <tseng> isc-dhclient-V3.0.2
[05:41] <tseng> something is, after I kill it and restart dbus
[05:42] <j^> what you can try as root: NetworkManager --no-daemon
[05:42] <j^> that way you get the output in the terminal
[05:42] <j^> and the applet with nm-applet --sm-disable
[05:42] <j^> as user
[05:47] <daniels> i just fixed the whole flashy-black-rectangles on window start and switch in breezy
[05:47] <daniels> 'twas a gtk bug
[05:47] <\sh> daniels: u fixed the crashing gnome-panel as well? ;)
[05:48] <daniels> no way
[05:48] <daniels> that's seb's problem
[05:48] <tseng> j^: http://tseng.ath.cx/nmlog
[05:49] <j^> tseng did you have nm installed before?
[05:49] <tseng> j^: yes.
[05:49] <j^> and you use WEP?
[05:49] <tseng> yes
[05:49] <mjg59> ACPI CRACK
[05:49] <j^> tseng try to select connect to other wireles network
[05:49] <lathiat> mjg59: :)
[05:50] <tseng> j^: same thing
[05:50] <j^> and enter your networkname and wep key again
[05:50] <lathiat> daniels: yay
[05:50] <lathiat> daniels: that was annoying me :)
[05:50] <tseng> yeah ive done that
[05:50] <j^> including the wep key. there was an issue with old keys 
[05:52] <j^> NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed
[05:52] <j^> this is strange
[05:53] <tseng> ive put in the key 100 times now
[05:54] <j^> can you try ifconfig eth0 down before starting NM
[05:55] <j^> what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:55] <hunger> j^: Does NM use that?
[05:56] <hunger> j^: I thought NM had it's own means of configuration.
[05:56] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces
[05:56] <tseng> quick
[05:56] <tseng> steal my wifi
[05:56] <j^> ah
[05:56] <j^> you have to take that out
[05:57] <tseng> that affects things why?
[05:57] <j^> hunger NM uses static ip configurations from /e/n/i if present
[05:57] <j^> it should still not fail
[05:57] <hunger> j^: Where does NM get it's other configuration from?
[05:57] <tseng> is commenting good enough?
[05:57] <j^> tseng should do
[05:58] <tseng> good, i dont trust nm
[05:58] <j^> hunger which other information?
[05:58] <hunger> j^: WLAN keys, etc.
[05:58] <tseng> ogra_ltsp: haha!
[05:58] <ogra_ltsp> :)
[05:59] <j^> hunger gconf and keyring of the user
[05:59] <hunger> j^: Why doesen't it store IP settings there as well?
[05:59] <hunger> j^: Having several places to check for network setup is evil IMHO.
[06:00] <j^> NM does not support static ips
[06:00] <j^> still it uses the distros information if present
[06:00] <tseng> still no luck
[06:00] <hunger> j^: It does set it up, isen't that "supporting"?
[06:00] <hunger> j^: Will it pick up WLAN keys from /e/n/i as well?
[06:01] <j^> its part of the distribution backend.
[06:01] <j^> one could also take it out
[06:01] <j^> and say no static ips at all
[06:01] <j^> it will only take ip settings from /e/n/i
[06:01] <j^> if iface eth1 inet static is present
[06:01] <tseng> so far my little dance involves, ifconfig eth{0,1} down, killall dhc*, restart dbus, killall nm-applet
[06:01] <tseng> then try again
[06:02] <hunger> j^: Why not add that into NM as well and remove /e/n/i entirely?
[06:02] <j^> tseng you can also just do killall -9 NetworkManger 
[06:02] <j^> killall -9 named
[06:02] <j^> NetworkManger --no-daemon
[06:02] <j^> killall nm-applet
[06:02] <tseng> what is the dispatcher part
[06:03] <hunger> j^: That would get rid of the distro-part entirely and might even make things more uniform across distros;-)
[06:03] <j^> dispatcher is not used right now
[06:03] <j^> you can ignore it 
[06:03] <j^> it would allow you to have scripts that are run on connect
[06:04] <tseng> NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed
[06:04] <j^> hunger i agree with you, but dan did it this way to start with
[06:04] <j^> in a next step NM should also provide a cross distribution way to configure static ips (imho)
[06:05] <j^> what does your interfaces file look like right now?
[06:06] <karim__> hi
[06:06] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces
[06:06] <tseng> like this
[06:06] <j^> can you try 
[06:06] <j^> auto lo
[06:06] <j^> iface lo inet loopback
[06:06] <j^> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[06:06] <j^> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:06] <j^> you still have 
[06:06] <j^> iface eth1 inet static
[06:06] <j^> if you also take that out
[06:06] <j^> it should work
[06:06] <tseng> ok
[06:06] <hunger> j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-)
[06:06] <j^> not sure about the mapping thing
[06:07] <j^> hunger well it will not work
[06:08] <hunger> j^: Yeap... the only effect I see when starting NM is that it breaks eth0 so that I have to ifdown/ifup it;-)
[06:08] <tseng> holy crap
[06:08] <tseng> j^: thats it, i feel stupid.
[06:08] <j^> hunger but since, if you use NM you dont need that any longer in /e/n/i you can replace it with 
[06:09] <j^> http://bootlab.org/~j/interfaces
[06:09] <hunger> j^: I can't... it breaks eth0... and nm-applet does not show any icon.
[06:09] <tseng> j^: thanks
[06:10] <j^> hunger define it breaks
[06:10] <hunger> j^: It does break its configuration so that I need to ifdown/ifup it.
[06:10] <j^> if nm-applet does not show up it could be that your wireless card driver is broken
[06:10] <j^> tseng no problem
[06:11] <j^> tseng its always good to know what the problems are.
[06:11] <hunger> j^: There is no wlan driver for my card.
[06:11] <j^> ?
[06:11] <hunger> j^: Well, not in ubuntu that is:-)
 j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-)
[06:12] <j^> so you do that without a wireless driver?
[06:12] <hunger> j^: I used that /e/n/i with my own kernels... it does work great there.
[06:13] <j^> hunger still not able to parse your statement
[06:13] <hunger> j^: I switched to the default ubuntu kernels not and they have no madwifi.
[06:13] <\sh> hunger: they have
[06:13] <j^> NM does not work for your because you have your own kernel installed?
[06:13] <hunger> j^: s/not/recently/.
[06:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ping
[06:14] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Hi
[06:14] <hunger> j^: I didn't try NM with my own kernels... only with the default ubuntu ones which have no madwifi.
[06:14] <mjg59> hunger: Yes they do
[06:14] <mjg59> Install linux-restricted-modules
[06:14] <hunger> j^: Well, the newest version has... but those are completly broken and do not load.
[06:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59, for the hotkey stuff, is there a good guide on how to file a bug about those?
[06:14] <j^> hunger well, thats a bad test, dont expect NM to fix your kernel
[06:15] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Not really
[06:15] <hunger> j^: No, I expect NM to work with my ethernet card in absense of WLAN drivers.
[06:15] <Burgundavia> mjg59, can you email me what would be the best procedure and I can edit the wiki page with instructions accordingly
[06:16] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, will try
[06:16] <mjg59> (Bit tied up at the moment)
[06:16] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I am also writing an email about various things that people might make mistakes on (not telling us about ootb support, upgrades instead of installs, etc.)
[06:16] <hunger> j^: nm-applet does not show up without wlan drivers (or so it seems to me), so I count it as broken.
[06:16] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, cool
[06:17] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I am about to leave for work, but tomorrow I have the day off, so we can coordinate tomorrow
[06:17] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, cool
[06:17] <j^> hunger it should show up now.
[06:18] <j^> not showing up was an issue with earlier version of nm
[06:20] <hunger> j^: Right... now I get lots of connections refused from dbus.
[06:21] <j^> hunger did you restart dbus?
[06:23] <trygvebw> evening
[06:23] <trygvebw> Is Breezy broken atm, or is it pretty safe to dist-upgrade?
[06:24] <Mithrandir> works for me
[06:24] <trygvebw> oaky
[06:24] <trygvebw> *okay.
[06:24] <trygvebw> How long is it since you dist-upgraded?
[06:24] <lathiat> err, bad idea as usual, particularly because libcairo1 has gone and a whole tonne of stuff deps on it atm.
[06:24] <lathiat> if anything, use colony 3
[06:24] <Mithrandir> this morning, CEST time.
[06:24] <trygvebw> oh
[06:24] <trygvebw> So GNOME won't work?
[06:24] <lathiat> and then dist upgrade if you like
[06:24] <lathiat> as you'll have cairo1 and ebook1.2-3 installed then
[06:24] <trygvebw> okay.
[06:25] <lathiat> but if your just a general end user then your better off waiting.
[06:25] <trygvebw> i'll just stay with my current Breezy install then :) 
[06:26] <\sh> trygvebw: if you have breezy running...it's ok I think to dist-upgrade again
[06:26] <trygvebw> oh, okay :)
[06:26] <trygvebw> i'll try ;)
[06:26] <\sh> well..the gnome-panel is a bit flakey
[06:26] <trygvebw> ah
[06:26] <trygvebw> thanks.
[06:31] <j^> hm
[06:31] <j^> [   63.091429]   /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1
[06:31] <j^> [   63.125792]  Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987114]  idr_remove called for id=1024 which is not allocated.
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987161]   [<c01b4250>]  sub_remove+0xf4/0xf6
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987254]   [<c01b4281>]  idr_remove+0x2f/0xaa
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987273]   [<c017923b>]  remove_watch_no_event+0x58/0xb2
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987294]   [<c0179633>]  inotify_inode_is_dead+0x46/0x72
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987315]   [<c016b34b>]  prune_dcache+0x11d/0x163
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987345]   [<c016b6bc>]  shrink_dcache_memory+0x1f/0x45
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987357]   [<c01417a7>]  shrink_slab+0x10c/0x16f
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987399]   [<c01429ce>]  balance_pgdat+0x21e/0x3a7
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987462]   [<c0142c2f>]  kswapd+0xd8/0x11d
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987482]   [<c012aecd>]  autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x57
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987509]   [<c012aecd>]  autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x57
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987529]   [<c0142b57>]  kswapd+0x0/0x11d
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987543]   [<c01012d9>]  kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb
[06:32] <j^> so much for firewire disks
[06:33] <lathiat> firewire sucks
[06:33] <lathiat> add
[06:33] <lathiat> sbp2 serialize_io=1
[06:33] <lathiat> to /etc/modules
[06:33] <lathiat> it helps
[06:33] <j^> lathiat this was the disk going in some powersave mode
[06:33] <lathiat> heh
[06:34] <j^> i prefere firewire disks to usb2 once
[06:46] <hunger> j^: no icon in the tray after restarting dbus. NM did break my eth0 though...
[06:48] <zanaga> I find it quite amusing that Thunderbird spell checker (aka, english spell check) doesn't know the word Ubuntu ;)
[06:48] <j^> hunger if you are using dhcp it should just renew the lease, you can also have a look at syslog
[06:49] <hunger> j^: Lots of "nm_ip4_config_get_address: assertion `
[06:49] <hunger> config != NULL' failed"
[06:49] <j^> hunger static ip?
[06:50] <hunger> j^: "Now managing device eth0" next line: "deactivating eth0".
[06:50] <hunger> j^: dhcp.
[06:50] <j^> what does your /e/n/i look like?
[06:50] <j^> it looks again like a problem with parsing it.
[06:50] <hunger> j^: "<ERROR>^I[1124274746.611112]   (): coul
[06:50] <hunger> dn't initialize nameserver: Failed to execute child process "no" (No such file o
[06:50] <hunger> r directory)"
[06:51] <j^> hunger thats network-manager from breezy
[06:51] <j^> not the one from http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[06:51] <hunger> j^: Yeap... updated today.
[06:51] <j^> hunger the one in breezy does not work
[06:52] <hunger> j^: Oh, sorry to have bothered you then.
[06:52] <zanaga> there is a patch in the bts for that bug
[06:52] <j^> hunger thats why i up a new version at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[06:52] <j^> *put
[06:53] <\sh> anyone who knows how to set urgent hints for windows in gtk?
[06:53] <\sh> or a pointer would be enough
[06:57] <infinity> \sh : gaim does it.  It doesn't work in metacity without a patches libwnck16, though.
[06:57] <infinity> \sh : (as much as I hate to refer to forums for anything), check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39776
[06:58] <\sh> yeah I saw this...do our gnome has the patch applied?
[06:59] <infinity> Not AFAIK.  We should get it in for breezy.
[06:59] <infinity> (I run the patched libwnck16 here, and it works well)
[06:59] <\sh> infinity: btw..I need a installable version of python2.4-gnome2-extras ,-)
[06:59] <fabbione> j^: instead of flooding the chan here, better you file a bug on the kernel, given that our new kernel maintainer is also one of the main firewire developers
[06:59] <infinity> I'll ping ondrej about it, since he appears to maintain it in Debian, and he's a comaintainer of mine on other stuff.
[07:00] <infinity> \sh : You'll get one soon enough, we just had some build snags with the cairo transition.  Bug me about it tomorrow if it's still broken, I'm off to bed right now.
[07:00] <\sh> infinity: k :) sleep well :)
[07:00] <infinity> \sh : The buildds may fix it before I wake up, though, I punted a bunch of stuf fback after daniels hunted down the underlying GTK build issue.
[07:01] <daniels> sleep is for the weak
[07:01] <fabbione> daniels: yo dude
[07:01] <fabbione> infinity: can you stay awake 2 more minutes?
[07:01] <daniels> yo bella
[07:02] <hunger> fabbione: are the restricted modules supposed to work now?
[07:02] <fabbione> hunger: i am not restriceted modules maintainer
[07:02] <fabbione> and i don't use them..
[07:02] <fabbione> so i don't know...
[07:03] <mjg59> hunger: What failure are you getting?
[07:03] <fabbione> daniels, infinity: quick chat?
[07:03] <infinity> fabbione : Meh, be quick.  I have a girlfriend who's far more important than you.
[07:03] <fabbione> infinity: pretty quick.. less than 2 minutes :)
[07:04] <hunger> mjg59: Missing symbols trying to load ath_pci.
[07:04] <hunger> fabbione: Sorry...
[07:04] <{Seb}> the latest breezy kernel has screwed up my laptop totally
[07:04] <\sh> hmm...
[07:04] <daniels> fabbione: mmm?
[07:05] <{Seb}> when it boots up, it says "Unable to find volume group "hda1"
[07:05] <fabbione> {Seb}: let me guess.. it can't mount the root filesystem
[07:06] <{Seb}> "Alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist"
[07:06] <{Seb}> yeh fabbione - known bug?
[07:06] <fabbione> {Seb}: Package: INITRAMFS
[07:06] <fabbione> the kernel is good
[07:06] <mjg59> hunger: Which symbols?
[07:06] <{Seb}> fabbione: the package is broken?
[07:06] <hunger> {Seb}: I see the same with sda1... but that is since the splash thingy got in...
[07:06] <{Seb}> fabbione: or i need a newer version
[07:06] <mjg59> {Seb}: That's not the kernel's fault
[07:06] <mjg59> Nor is it usplash's
[07:06] <fabbione> {Seb}: i think newer is enough...
[07:07] <mjg59> They just both happen to coincide with the change to initramfs
[07:07] <fabbione> {Seb}: install the newer, reinstall the kernel
[07:07] <{Seb}> fabbione: install the newer? newer what?
[07:07] <hunger> mjg59: "Error inserting ath_rate_onoe (/lib/modules/2.6.12-7-686/madwifi/ath_rate_onoe.ko): Invalid module format" is probably the root cause of the missing symbols.
[07:08] <fabbione> {Seb}: initramfs
[07:08] <fabbione> and reinstall the kernel to regenerate the initrf
[07:08] <fabbione> initrd
[07:08] <{Seb}> thanks fabbione :-)
[07:08] <karim__> I installed mplayer-g4 on ppc but there is no binary !!!
[07:08] <karim__> is it normal ?
[07:11] <eruin> is this normal on breezy bootup? "error inserting /lib/modules/2.6.12-7-686/kernel/drivers/video/console/tileblit.ko: -1 file exists"
[07:12] <{Seb}> fabbione: is the package called initramfs?
[07:12] <fabbione> yes
[07:13] <slomo> fabbione: are sure? there is no package with that name here... but there is initramfs-tools, don't know whether that's the correct one but anyways...
[07:13] <{Seb}> fabbione: same here
[07:13] <fabbione> yeah initramfs-tools
[07:13] <{Seb}> initramfs-tools is already newest version
[07:13] <fabbione> whatever
[07:13] <fabbione> that one
[07:14] <fabbione> if you still have problems after reinstalling the kernel, call jbailey for help
[07:14] <{Seb}> will do fabbione
[07:14] <{Seb}> have a good time :-)
[07:14] <fabbione> thanks
[07:14] <fabbione> oh btw..
[07:14] <fabbione> start to make some mental notes...
[07:14] <fabbione> i am not kernel maintainer anymore .. 7.11 was my last upload... :)
[07:14] <{Seb}> what are you doing now?
[07:15] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:15] <fabbione> {Seb}: getting drunk.. a lot :)
[07:15] <jbailey> fabbione: Sounds like a great idea =)
[07:15] <fabbione> jbailey: hey dude!
[07:15] <{Seb}> i meant ubuntu wise ;-)
[07:15] <jsgotangco> i got drunk myself a few minutes ago..i need to sleep (1am)
[07:15] <jbailey> fabbione: Heya.
[07:15] <fabbione> {Seb}: ubuntu wise, i will make that everybody will be heavily drunk the release day
[07:16] <fabbione> make + sure
[07:16] <{Seb}> sounds good
[07:16] <fabbione> lesson number 1:
[07:16] <fabbione> - you are not supposed to be on IRC on a sunday evening -
[07:19] <daniels> fabbione: especially not at 0320.
[07:20] <jsgotangco> daniels: its already monday
[07:21] <daniels> yes
[07:23] <{Seb}> jabeiley: can you help me with the kernel problem
[07:23] <{Seb}> jbailey: the error is it can't find /dev/hda1
[07:24] <{Seb}> jbailey: i have the latest initramfs-tools
[07:24] <{Seb}> jbailey: and there are losts of errors reguarding interesting kernel modules
[07:25] <jbailey> {Seb}: You're probably just missing a kernel module in the initramfs-tools
[07:25] <jbailey> Do you know which one you need for your harddrive?
[07:25] <{Seb}> jbailey: pass
[07:26] <{Seb}> jbailey: i can get in on an older kernel - shall i try reconfiguring the kernel as fabbione suggested?
[07:26] <karim__> is there a way to use distcc with dpkg-build ?
[07:26] <jbailey> pass?
[07:27] <jbailey> {Seb}: What arch are you on?
[07:27] <{Seb}> intel x86
[07:27] <jbailey> {Seb}: I don't see a kernel module named 'pass', are you sure?
[07:28] <{Seb}> no! when i said pass, i meant i don't know
[07:28] <jbailey> Oh.
[07:28] <jbailey> Can you reboot to a working kernel so we can check, please?
[07:29] <{Seb}> yes
[07:29] <{Seb}> i'm on it now
[07:29] <jbailey> {Seb}: Please /msg me the output from lsmod
[07:30] <{Seb}> jbailey: is ther something you are looking for? i would be here all night
[07:30] <jbailey> Oh, you're not in X?
[07:30] <{Seb}> no
[07:31] <jbailey> {Seb}: lsmod | grep ^ide_code
[07:31] <jbailey> {Seb}: Might have everything I need in it.
[07:33] <karim__> hey
[07:33] <karim__> I am looking the rule file for the thing I want to compile
[07:34] <karim__> the make command is $MAKE
[07:34] <karim__> the make command is $(MAKE)
[07:34] <karim__> what is it ?
[07:35] <mjg59> Hurrah. ACPI is beaten.
[07:48] <mjg59> daniels: What's the best way to autoconfig tablet PCs?
[07:48] <mjg59> daniels: (Assume that I can provide you with something that unambiguously identifies the machine as a tablet PC)
[07:51] <\sh> k...I don't make it this evening...after working 16 hours in 2 days while it was weekend...I'm going to bed
[07:51] <\sh> tomorrow more...
[07:54] <siretart> \sh_away: very good idea
[07:57] <j^> tseng just did a test here with static ips and its was indeed broken, a new packages that also works with static ips configured in /e/n/i is at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy
[08:03] <daniels> mjg59: in terms of wacom and shit? just plug it into dexconf a la synaptics
[08:03] <mjg59> daniels: Rock
[08:03] <mjg59> daniels: I'll take a look at that, then
[08:06] <mjg59> daniels: Is dexconf packaged separately from the entirity of X?
[08:11] <mjg59> URGH.
[08:11] <mjg59> The wacom_acpi driver is ENTIRELY POINTLESS
[08:11] <daniels> mjg59: dexconf is just in the xorg source package
[08:11] <mjg59> daniels: I need to download the source to X? Goddamnit.
[08:14] <daniels> mjg59: 
[08:14] <daniels> xorg (6.9.99.0-1) breezy; urgency=low
[08:14] <daniels>   * The 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Beats?' release.
[08:14] <daniels>     + ... in which a once-mighty monolith is cut down to only a couple of
[08:14] <daniels>       metapackages.
[08:16] <mjg59> daniels: Hurrah!
[08:17] <daniels> mjg59: there is nothing more mindblowingly shit than sitting on the couch at 0416 on monday morning writing debian/copyright files for every single video driver in the modular release
[08:17] <mjg59> daniels: I envy your life
[08:17] <mjg59> daniels: No, hang on...
[08:19] <daniels> mjg59: INTENSE
[08:23] <daniels> bed
[08:41] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, ping
[08:43] <mdz> ogra_ltsp: pong
[08:44] <tseng> j^: great, thanks
[08:45] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, is there any way to force the timezone setting from the server to the client ? i can only get UTC time for the login screen
[08:54] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, i guess ltsp-build-client should read it from the server while setting up the client environment and run tzconfig...
[09:12] <mdz> ogra_ltsp: o python-pysqlite2: python-pysqlite2 python2.4-pysqlite2
[09:12] <mdz>    [Reverse-Depends: gcompris, python-pysqlite2] 
[09:12] <mdz> ogra_ltsp: (from http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt)
[09:13] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, yes, i recognized it today, sorry, i already mailed pitti if he can review the report with higher prio... i missed that one ...
[09:15] <ogra_ltsp> the gcompris-sound packages are added to the seed already....
[09:15] <ogra_ltsp> (that was based on my wrong assumption that seeds have source package names in them)
[09:18] <ogra_ltsp> s/have/can have
[09:51] <mistik1> good day
[09:52] <mistik1> for the purpose of research can someone running ubuntu please verify that the file /etc/ubuntu_version exist in ubuntu releases and is not a symlink?
[09:53] <Mithrandir> it doesn't
[09:53] <Mithrandir> use the output of lsb_release -i -s instead.
[09:53] <mistik1> In that case, Is there a failsafe way to detect if we are running on ubuntu, vs debian?
[09:54] <mistik1> thank you
[09:54] <mistik1> can you give me the output of that command. Please?
[09:54] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > lsb_release -i -s
[09:54] <Mithrandir> Ubuntu
[09:55] <mistik1> lovely
[09:56] <mistik1> ubuntu was just added to the distro support list of my script ;-)
[09:56] <mistik1> thanks again
[09:56] <SloMoSnail> mistik1: what script?
[09:57] <mistik1> to install qmail with the Bill Shupp series of patches along with webmail, spam+antivirus filters(smtp level), web admin, and a frontend webpage.
[10:03] <mistik1> Btw: I assume lsb_release is also available on debian?
[10:03] <Mithrandir> yes, in the lsb-release package
[10:04] <mistik1> installed by default?
[10:04] <Mithrandir> I don't think so.  Maybe
[10:05] <mistik1> ok, I'll keep the /etc/debian_version for compat sake then
[10:05] <Mez> mdz: ping
[10:08] <lathiat> seb128, daniels: libgtk2.0-dev needs to dep on libxrandr-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxfixes-dev
[10:09] <lathiat> seb128, daniels: or whatever to fix that it wants those for pkg-config
[10:10] <seb128> lathiat: already reported to bugzilla, already marked as PENDINGUPLOAD, waiting for 2.8.1
[10:10] <lathiat> seb128: ok cool
[10:19] <Simira> *installing colony3*
[10:31] <pitti> Hi
[10:57] <pitti> Moin ogra, still writing MI reports? :-)
[11:07] <pitti> Hi BenC 
[11:08] <ogra> pitti, hopefully the last one...
[11:09] <ogra> :/
[11:16] <sedak> ping seb128
[11:16] <seb128> pong?
[11:16] <sedak> hello
[11:17] <seb128> hi
[11:17] <sedak> are you the maintainer of libgtk2.0-dev ?
[11:17] <sedak> i'm quite new here ...
[11:17] <seb128> right
[11:17] <sedak> i think it depends on libxfixes-dev
 lathiat: already reported to bugzilla, already marked as PENDINGUPLOAD, waiting for 2.8.1
[11:17] <sedak> look at gdk-2.0.pc
[11:17] <seb128> I know thanks
[11:18] <seb128> as stated by bugzilla
[11:18] <sedak> sorry
[11:18] <sedak> then
[11:18] <seb128> no need to be sorry
[11:18] <sedak> i just noticed ...
[11:18] <seb128> thanks for pointing it :)
[11:18] <sedak> no need to thank me ...
[11:18] <sedak> :-)
[11:29] <ajmitch> morning
[11:34] <ogra> seb128,     import xlib
[11:34] <ogra> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/xlib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:34] <ogra> sabayon ^^^
[11:35] <seb128> ogra: what version ?
[11:35] <ogra> current amd64, updatetd today
[11:35] <seb128> what version is that?
[11:35] <seb128> dpkg -l 
[11:36] <ogra> heh, i shouldnt run dpkg -l on rookery
[11:36] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ dpkg -l |grep sabayon
[11:36] <ogra> ii  sabayon                                         2.11.90-0ubuntu4
[11:36] <seb128> dpkg -l <package>
[11:36] <seb128> it's outdated
[11:36] <ogra> oh
[11:37] <seb128> the issue is fixed with the next revision
[11:37] <ogra> its that latest i can get here....
[11:38] <ogra> hmmm....
[11:38] <seb128> it has built according to the logs
[11:38] <ogra> yup
[11:41] <ogra> works now (with a smalll error about not finding "gnome X session")
[11:44] <ogra> seb128, any idea why i cant get sabayon to run over ltsp ? i only get a black embedded window... xnest doesnt seem to like ssh tunneled displays
[11:45] <seb128> nop
[11:45] <seb128> doesn't xnest work?
[11:45] <ogra> locally it does... i didnt dig further with ltsp... it just stayed black... i'll do more tests tomorrow