=== P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === bz0b [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c2c-87.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === _bz0b [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c2c-87.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === _bz0b is now known as bz0b [01:51] hey guys [01:53] bz0b, hi === bz0b is now known as _bz0b === _bz0b is now known as bz0b === _bz0b [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c9a-a-48.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === _bz0b_ [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c9a-a-48.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 o/ === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:43] morning all [08:44] morning JaneW [08:47] hi [08:48] hi [09:21] hi there === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E40D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:25] morning ogra [09:25] morning === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-89-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DF14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:25] JaneW, that email fo sabdfl is very ZA-specific :) [10:31] jsgotangco, is it ? [10:33] well it is a call in ZA, but he hopes it would be a model to the world === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089DF14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:43] jsgotangco, he calls for descriptions of projects that already exist worldwide.... sure the target is ZA... [10:51] hi ogra [10:51] how are you today? [10:51] jsgotangco: yes "This is a mail to the global Ubuntu community, to ask for your help in formulating a national government strategy on Free Software for South Africa. We hope this work will also be used as a model for many countries world wide." [10:51] jsgotangco: the call is global, but the aim in this case is focused on SA [10:56] JaneW, a bit better... [10:57] ogra_: snap [11:06] i wanna cry [11:06] jsgotangco, why ? [11:06] ogra_, Hoary and Breezy are a PITA in the laptop that was sent to me [11:07] thats why you got it... to have it solved in breezy+1 [11:07] well yeah [11:07] its just frustrating its a nice unit [11:07] ogra_: how are you today? [11:07] JaneW, still a bit better :) [11:10] ogra_: good... [11:10] JaneW, i like the idea though and probably contribute some in the wiki [11:12] i will forward his email to a local list [11:12] JaneW, but it looks like gnome-power will be deferred :( i cant make its architecture work for us, its too similar to network-manager... mdz will slay me i guess.... [11:12] PITAs are nice:) [11:13] ogra_, do you think a successful install will also depend on how a unit is physically placed (say on top of a bed compared to a sturday table) [11:14] it sounds silly though [11:14] hmmm [11:14] (considering the angle of the install media) [11:14] depends how crappy assembled your HW is... [11:15] i.e. my built in DVD in this laptop cant even read bought audio CDs, if i reburn them on DVD its fine... [11:16] PITA=? [11:16] ogra_: dare I ask if any of our frustrating situation has improved yet? [11:16] JaneW, a bit... [11:17] JaneW, mhz made a sucessfull install yesterday if i understood him right... he has a presentation with edubuntu these days [11:18] hmmm i will be making a presentation in a local university, maybe its a good idea to show edubuntu [11:18] jsgotangco, do you present ltsp ? mhz is explicitly going for a ltsp install :) [11:19] well i have 2 laptops i can try [11:19] i can probably just show to the faculty [11:19] note that ltsp doesnt work over wireless [11:19] yes [11:19] i'll do a cross cable then [11:20] yup [11:22] jsgotangco, just follow the notes on http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting and dont use the daily CDs [11:22] use colony instead? [11:22] nope, the one thats linked from that wikipage... [11:23] okay [11:23] (this is sort of a edubuntu colony) === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra_] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Wed 24 Aug 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http:and tested//www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra_] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Wed 24 Aug 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [11:23] grmpf [11:24] and tested [11:26] ogra's colony? heh [11:27] heh :=) [11:30] JaneW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion [11:30] looking better :) [11:34] hey, i said its looking better... no reason to flee... === pere_gone is now known as pere === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-94-228.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:02] do we need an equivalent page to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryArtwork for edubutnu? [12:04] heh, you seem to have the same thoughts today, i'm just creating the edubuntu-artwork package... and wanted to ask if i should simply include all wallpapers we have on the wiki now [12:04] i dont think we need such a page... [12:04] at least not the special "icons" part [12:05] JaneW, did you get my last msg before your line dropped ? [12:05] JaneW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion [12:05] looking better :) [12:23] wooo now language-pack-en stalls at stage 2 88% [12:23] what more can I ask :) [12:25] switch to tty4 [12:25] (alt f4) [12:26] what does it say [12:29] hmmm i wasn't able to do that i forced to shutdown the machine [12:29] hmm... did you have network connection during install ? [12:29] yeah [12:29] hmm... [12:29] i dont have that here [12:29] this is colony 3 [12:30] ah, i thought you installed the edubuntu CD [12:30] oh the edubuntu cd installs fine [12:30] :) [12:30] nice to hear [12:30] i am complaining about the beloved Tecra M2 [12:31] Breezy's X is the most beautiful i have seen yet though [12:31] JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples should i put all wallpapers in the package for now to have them selectable in the theme selector ? (except the one that says "testing") [12:33] ogra_, if stage 2 still hangs i can just check on tty4 and see what's being done right? [12:33] yup [12:33] ok anything else or just tty4? [12:34] because its asking me a question if I should install packages, etc. [12:34] tty4 shows the progress of the installation [12:36] ok great i will just restart this andcheck === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-94-228.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] gess what's up with my link today...? :( [12:51] JaneW, so another time... [12:51] JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples should i put all wallpapers in the package for now to have them selectable in the theme selector ? (except the one that says "testing") [12:52] i think that makes sense [12:53] hmm, seems she dropped again... === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-94-228.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ waves to JaneW === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-232.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu === robekk1978 [i=robekk19@bsd.miki.eu.org] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] JaneW, alive now ? === ogra_ is now known as ogra === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-94-228.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-94-228.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089DF14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_gone === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-155-105.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] poor jane_ [03:45] Hi ogra_ [03:45] hey Petaris [03:47] ogra: sorry this line is just ridiculous today... [03:47] ogra: but at least I am catching up on my e-mail backlog [03:48] jane_: i know how that feels.... :/ === Petaris wonders if there is a way to push icons to users screens === jane__ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-155-105.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:52] Petaris: try sabayon... and create a user profile [03:52] You know a management interface that allows you to change client desktops easily would be wonderful, make the change and have the users logout then back in and tada [03:52] we'll probably include it [03:52] thats sabayon [03:53] is that gnome only? [03:53] hrm [03:53] yup [03:54] its the gnome version of kiosk mode but far more fine grained [03:54] I need a better solution [03:54] :/ === Rondom [i=Rondom@Bd158.b.pppool.de] has joined #Edubuntu [03:55] but it does exactly what you described above [03:56] But I need a solution for icewm [03:57] thats why we didnt pick icewm for this release, there is no sane and easy solution... [03:58] you have to edit /etc/skel or the users ~/.icewm files... thats evil ... [03:58] ogra_: If you plan on having a light weight ltsp offering you will need some easy way for users to manage the client desktops [03:59] what is /etc/skel? [03:59] yup... as i said, tat will require a good thought out solution that takes time to develop... so we picked the stuff we know that works for this release... [04:00] hrm [04:00] the default files that get copied into the users home dir, some people do the default settings for icewm there [04:00] I suppose that one could do it with a perl script [04:00] oh, ok [04:01] sure, but on the next upgrade your changes might be lost... [04:01] thats why you dont just use random perl scripts for such things [04:01] not if that script pulls from a static config file === Petaris has an idea [04:02] you could create a dumby user and set their profile up to be a template that the script pulls from to set for all users of the ltsp group [04:03] hrm [04:03] it could be done ;) === Petaris puts on his mad scientist hat and starts tinkering [04:08] ogra: do you know if there is a lesson pack for ktouch? [04:08] ogra: so do we have anything workable yet? [04:09] jane_ sure, we already have users... mhz is about to do a presentation with edubuntu [04:09] jane_ Petaris is using hios own tweaked version... [04:10] his even [04:11] jane_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion [04:11] jane_ the one yellow one from -desktop is a bit odd but should be solved today or tomorrow (depending on pitti) [04:12] yay [04:12] :) [04:12] your mood seems a lot lighter too [04:12] so good news all round [04:12] desktop is looking great [04:13] due to seb128's transition over the weekend all cdbuilds (ubuntu too) are broken currentyl, but i'm confident well have our CD ready if ubuntu builds agaion [04:13] is server still a headache? (awaiting kamion?) [04:13] Kamion is needed for preseed changes on the CD... [04:13] the rest should sort itself over time... [04:14] nvu is giving me headdaches, but i'm just tlaking with a c++ god this second who might hlep me out here [04:14] the moodle change is relatively trivial... and the rest of server is only pending pitti reviews [04:17] (which would already been done, but sabdfl requested a new version of schooltool last week) [04:17] ok [04:17] elaborate? [04:18] new version of schooltool? === jane__ is now known as JaneW [04:19] i have gotten the new schooltool packages on thursday, uploaded on friday... pitti wanted to do the inclusion report for the old version on wednesday, but would have needed a new one for the new version... so that was pending until friday... [04:20] they are there now... as soon as he has time for it, he'll go on with the reviews [04:20] gah I can not get the BreezyGoal owneres to update their goals without a struggle [04:20] and Matt is getting harsh about it... [04:21] yes, i can understand it.. it hurts me too to defer gnome-power, but i spent the whole weekend with it and it would still requirew too much work to get it ready this release... [04:22] its like admitting ou didnt make your job... === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b95dda.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #Edubuntu [04:23] jane_: nobody likes to admit that he failed his goals... [04:24] ogra: understood but Matt is adamant that it;s now Feature Freeze so things are either in or out now... [04:25] i understand that but it still hurts [04:25] ogra: I understand his need to be tought too [04:25] ogra: yes, far too much has been deferred [04:25] but we have learned from it [04:25] it was unrealistic to tackle quite so many goals [04:26] we need to streamline better next time [04:26] hehe, yes, dont pick up random suggestions from users on conferences [04:26] and prioritise [04:26] nod nod nod [04:26] yup [04:27] quote: ogra_: thats why we didnt pick icewm for this release, there is no sane and easy solution. [04:27] does that mean icewm won't be the standard wm for edubuntu? [04:27] hi === George [i=george@host-83-146-61-45.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #Edubuntu [04:27] Rondom: nope [04:27] hello [04:27] Rondom: as you can read on www.edubuntu-org [04:28] I'm doing an article on Linux in Education and I'm very interested in the edubuntu project [04:28] s/-/. [04:28] :) [04:29] ogra_: are you one of the devels? [04:29] yup [04:29] cool [04:29] ogra_: do you know much about the Skubuntu installations in S. Africa? [04:29] George: and jane_ is our release manager :) [04:29] :) [04:30] George: that would be a question for highvoltage, he's skubuntu dev [04:30] ah, ok [04:30] they presented skubuntu o our summit though [04:30] s/o/on [04:30] is there anything you can tell me about edubuntu, as the wiki seems to be a bit of a maze [04:30] and a bit thin on details [04:31] george: indeed [04:31] its a "out of the box ltsp install" with gome desktop, educational apps and a handfull of servers like mediawiki, schooltool and moodle [04:32] ogra_: ah cool [04:32] ogra_: what's its relationship with ubuntu? [04:32] all stuff we develop gets developed in ubuntu [04:32] ah [04:32] ogra_: do you think you could provide me with some screenshots? [04:33] only the app selection that lands on the CD, the artwork and the server stuff are different [04:33] ok [04:33] the wiki isn't a big maze, it's only sometimes difficult to find the things you need, but this is murphy's law [04:33] Rondom: hehe [04:33] question, will there alo be live-cds for edubuntu [04:33] yes, that's a point [04:33] currently they would look like ubuntu... there is not much difference yet... i'm just fifnishing the artwork package here so we can actually use the contributed stuff [04:34] yes [04:34] I only considered showing other people at school edubuntu wehn it#s mature enough [04:34] ogra_: do you think you could send me some screenshots to publish? [04:34] Rondom: i planned it, but i doubt we'll have enough time this release... additionally you couldnt really use ltsp from a CD its just to slow [04:35] Rondom: it would be rather a presentation tool to have a liveCD [04:35] you have a point [04:35] ltsp wasn't the thing I would use on a live-cd [04:35] ogra_: please? :) [04:36] but I doubt linux has big chance at our school [04:36] George: as i said, we currently look like ubuntu... as soon as we have something i can send you shots of it indeed [04:36] ah [04:36] ok [04:36] they don't even use ff and oo, but ie and ms office [04:37] there is no big difference... as long as it doesnt come to visual basic driver enhancements [04:37] ogra_: can you tell me a bit about the Student Control Panel? [04:37] ogra_: or point me to some resources about it? [04:38] George: it is unlikely to be ready for this release, but it will give te teacher control over the logged in students and their running apps [04:38] ahh, cool [04:38] ogra_: any screenies? [04:38] www.grawert.net/SCP.png [04:39] brb [04:42] ogra_, are you from germany [04:42] hi George [04:42] sorry this is really me [04:43] hey :) [04:43] I have been bouncing between sessions today, trying to get a persistent connection [04:43] heh [04:43] George: regarding screenshots and details etc etc [04:43] we don't have that much available yet [04:43] ok [04:44] because orga is still slaving away to get the fountation put together [04:44] foundation even [04:44] and it has been a challenge to say the least [04:44] ;) [04:44] hardly surprising :) [04:44] distros are big projects [04:44] heh [04:45] hopefully in the next couple of weeks we can make steady progress and start getting some nice look and feel stuff on top to [04:45] too [04:47] nice [04:47] I presume GNOME was used as that's the default DE for Ubuntu? [04:47] (said like a true KDE dude) [04:47] :) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-232.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu [04:51] Random: What type of school? [04:53] Petaris: do you mean me [04:53] George: yes we are Gnome by default (althoug that was quite a debate) [04:54] what do you want to know exactly? [04:55] JaneW: heh [04:55] Petaris: are you familiar with the german school system? [04:56] Rondom: no I'm not [04:56] I was just curious what grade levels your school serves [04:57] I'm K-12 here, but I'm not sure how that translates [04:57] after primary school we have three types of school: you have one school for the good pupils, one for the average and one for the worse pupils [04:58] I went to the gymnasium (a dictionary says it's "grammar school" in english), which is the school for better pupils. After that you go to the oberstufe [04:58] Rondom: ha ha [04:59] (school for "better" pupils) [04:59] after finishing the oberstufe you have something similiar to the A-Levels in the english/american school-system [04:59] ogra_, are you from germany? [04:59] yup [05:00] and i doubt that a gymnasium is a "school for better pupils" [05:00] yes I meant [05:00] good [05:00] but it's is a school for better pupils [05:00] and the realschule a school for normal pupils [05:01] and the hauptschule is a school for pupils who are a little bit worse [05:01] petaris, where are you from? === ogra_ was at a comprehensive school that was in the same building with a grammar school... guess where more people left school with a good exam [05:02] don't know [05:02] Rondom: US [05:03] Rondom: not the grammar school... [05:03] WEll, I also went to a comprehensive school, but visited grammar school there [05:03] If you know what I mean [05:04] There's a private grammar school in neighbourhood, and it#s the same with them. They believe they are something better [05:05] but they aren't [05:05] my sister went to that school and it plays a role if you donate [05:06] Rondom: i just dont like the term "better pupils" [05:06] Rondom: its like saying people living in a third world country are "dumb people" [05:08] just because they dont have the abilitys people in first world countrys have.... [05:08] I also don't like it [05:09] I don't think of me as something better, because I go to the oberstufe/went to the gymnasium [05:10] my neighbour used a car battery, some speakers and a "bike wagon" to have music while riding his bike [05:10] ogra_: can I have that picture of the SCP published? [05:11] he even built a roof for the wagon, so he can use it when it's rainy [05:11] this is something I can't do at all [05:11] ogra_: www.primeur.com [05:11] er, http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/ums/ [05:11] have you seen that before [05:11] George: as long as you note that its vaporware for now, sure :) [05:12] ogra_: heh, ok [05:12] ogra_: I'll say that it's in the works and could be included as early as the second release of Edubuntu [05:13] George: i just produced 3 screenshots from the new artwork package (note that its interim for now... we still have to get some artwork) [05:13] ogra_: where? [05:13] not uploaded yet... [05:13] ah, ok === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [05:18] re [05:20] ogra_: you were educated in .uk? (just reading your comments about grammar/comprehensives) [05:20] George: nope, i'm german [05:20] ah [05:20] .oO(we should have something like Wikipedia... we could have "representatives" from each country/region and give a little support to them (hosting, mail, posters, t-shirts, etc) It's been sort of difficult to borrow a server, invest on t-shirts, biz cards, etc.) [05:21] ogra_: what sort of control will be given to the teacher in SCP? [05:23] George: only the basic... "kick this pupil out", "kill this pupils apps" and "connect to this pupils desktop" actions... [05:24] George: as i said before, for kiosk mode and default profiles we'll have sabayon [05:24] ogra_: where connect to this pupil's desktop means remote control or just monitoring? [05:24] a vnc connection on one click [05:24] ah, ok [05:25] the screenshot is a bit outdated, the "network" button looks already more intuitive here... === Rondom [n=Rondom@B1af9.b.pppool.de] has joined #Edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DF14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DF14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu [06:07] hi there. just as i left work, and typed /quit and hit enter, i noticed someone said something to me here, but i missed it. [06:07] sorry :) [06:31] hey highvoltage [06:40] Hello highvoltage [06:59] hi Petaris [07:00] (been talking to george off-channel) [07:00] :) === JeanG [n=jeang@c6-dbn-130.absamail.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === JeanG [n=jeang@c6-dbn-130.absamail.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === TheRondom [i=Rondom@A493d.a.pppool.de] has joined #Edubuntu === TheRondom is now known as Rondom [08:11] ogra: content filtering? Implemented orDeferred? [08:12] deferred [08:12] power management config as well [08:14] ogra: ok will edit page now [08:15] JaneW, thanks, i was about to do it... [08:18] np [08:19] :) === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-155-105.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["Bye"] [08:21] ogra: I like your screenshot btw..now that I have bandwidth I got a chance to see them :) [08:21] ogra: but what's the thing that looks like a little embryo in the Usplash screen? [08:23] JaneW, the nautilus icon.... [08:23] you see it every time you log in... [08:24] oic - it's weird! [08:24] oh is it a shell? [08:24] yep [08:24] but a crappy one [08:24] ok [08:24] JaneW, i thought the images as they are are placeholders for now... but we can use them if nobody provides us the artwork we need [08:25] by=tw I know you are not the lead but do you know what's up with GraphicalPartitioningTool? I haven;t been able to get an update from Daniel Holbach [08:25] ogra: great, at least we have a default then. I think once the CD's are stable and installable we'll get more interest in the artwork [08:25] do you agree? [08:25] JaneW, the patch was mailed to ubuntu-devel and to the UbuntuExpress guys [08:25] once ppl are using it they are likley to want to add to and improve it [08:25] yup [08:26] i added all the wallpapers from the wiki for now, i need to find out the names and mail adresses from all the submitters for the copyright notes... [08:26] ogra: right... mdz thinks there are bits missing... [08:26] "there were a set of specific modifications to gparted that Daniel was [08:26] supposed to make, and we need to know which ones are still incomplete." [08:27] I have no seen him on line today and he hasn't responded to my mail from Friday [08:27] ah, ok... i think he refers to the naming of mountpoints [08:44] hrm [08:46] ogra, JaneW: how are you doing? [08:48] highvoltage: how do you acomplish pushing icons to users screens? [08:49] is it a script or do you use that gnome profile manager [08:53] ok, nvu wont make it... there is no way to support it in main security wise... [08:54] any suggestions, we have the choice between quanta or screem [08:54] #? [08:54] ogra: is that nvu the web editor [08:54] yep [08:54] I always had issues with it when I tried it [08:55] that was when I used dreamweaver though [08:55] Petaris: it's a script, borrowed from k12ltsp [08:55] now I just use a text editor [08:55] it works fine, but due to its source its not supportable [08:55] Petaris: a user drags the icon to an icon on their desktop (link to the script) [08:55] highvoltage: ahh, ok [08:55] ths script then accepts this as an argument, and copies this link to all the other users' desktops. [08:55] hello highvoltage [08:56] do you know how it handles the permissions? [08:56] oh, wait [08:56] ogra: i think quanta+ is very, very cool. [08:56] hi JaneW [08:56] I know how I could do that [08:56] Petaris: i think it has a line that chowns it. [08:56] Petaris: i can e-mail the script to you, if you like, it's quite small. [08:56] highvoltage, the odd thing is that it depends on silly stuff like kfilereplace and uses documentation thats not in main... === JaneW must go - kids are still up [08:57] ogra: ok. that is silly. [08:57] later JaneW [08:57] highvoltage: yeah that would be great [08:57] highvoltage, but it seems to work well... [08:57] I will end up tweaking it for use with icewm [08:58] ogra: ok. people will be able to install it from universe, so all is cool. [08:58] Petaris: your email address? [08:58] send it to petaris@gmail.com [08:58] highvoltage, i'd like tohave everything needed on the CD... only main goes there [08:59] highvoltage, and having referrals all over the place to non existing docs isnt nice... [08:59] Petaris: sent [08:59] cool, thanks [09:00] ogra: i understand, no problemo. [09:00] cheers [09:03] JaneW: cheers! [09:16] !lilo:*! "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world!" [09:16] !lilo:*! --Greg Bear, _Eon_ [09:29] !lilo:*! (Welcome to our new iteration of herbert.freenode.net, courtesy of IP Minds!) [09:51] can I make my ubuntu do an edubuntu by installing a meta package? [09:51] Rondom, yes [09:51] edubuntu-desktop? [09:51] edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server are parts of ubuntu === George [i=george@host-83-146-61-45.bulldogdsl.com] has left #Edubuntu [] [09:52] and edubuntu-artwork will hit the archive tomorrow i hope [09:53] that means if I install a hoary and modify a after-installation script to install these packages I have everything I need for edubuntu? [09:53] Rondom, in fact our standalone workstation version will be a ubuntu with edubuntu-desktop/-artwork instead of ubuntu-desktop [09:53] Rondom, only for the standalone workstation version [09:54] the default edubuntu is a ltsp based thin client server ... [09:54]