[01:51] <bz0b> hey guys
[01:53] <LinuxJones> bz0b, hi
[08:43] <JaneW> morning all
[08:44] <Burgundavia> morning JaneW 
[08:47] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:48] <JaneW> hi
[09:21] <highvoltage> hi there
[09:25] <Burgundavia> morning ogra 
[09:25] <ogra> morning
[10:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, that email fo sabdfl is very ZA-specific :)
[10:31] <ogra> jsgotangco, is it ? 
[10:33] <jsgotangco> well it is a call in ZA, but he hopes it would be a model to the world
[10:43] <ogra_> jsgotangco, he calls for descriptions of projects that already exist worldwide.... sure the target is ZA...
[10:51] <JaneW> hi ogra
[10:51] <JaneW> how are you today?
[10:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes "This is a mail to the global Ubuntu community, to ask for your help in formulating a national government strategy on Free Software for South Africa. We hope this work will also be used as a model for many countries world wide."
[10:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the call is global, but the aim in this case is focused on SA
[10:56] <ogra_> JaneW, a bit better...
[10:57] <JaneW> ogra_: snap
[11:06] <jsgotangco> i wanna cry
[11:06] <ogra_> jsgotangco, why ? 
[11:06] <jsgotangco> ogra_, Hoary and Breezy are a PITA in the laptop that was sent to me
[11:07] <ogra_> thats why you got it... to have it solved in breezy+1
[11:07] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[11:07] <jsgotangco> its just frustrating its a nice unit
[11:07] <JaneW> ogra_: how are you today?
[11:07] <ogra_> JaneW, still a bit better :)
[11:10] <JaneW> ogra_: good...
[11:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i like the idea though and probably contribute some in the wiki
[11:12] <jsgotangco> i will forward his email to a local list
[11:12] <ogra_> JaneW, but it looks like gnome-power will be deferred :( i cant make its architecture work for us, its too similar to network-manager... mdz will slay me i guess....
[11:12] <JaneW> PITAs are nice:)
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ogra_, do you think a successful install will also depend on how a unit is physically placed (say on top of a bed compared to a sturday table)
[11:14] <jsgotangco> it sounds silly though
[11:14] <ogra_> hmmm
[11:14] <jsgotangco> (considering the angle of the install media)
[11:14] <ogra_> depends how crappy assembled your HW is...
[11:15] <ogra_> i.e. my built in DVD in this laptop cant even read bought audio CDs, if i reburn them on DVD its fine...
[11:16] <JaneW> PITA=?
[11:16] <JaneW> ogra_: dare I ask if any of our frustrating situation has improved yet?
[11:16] <ogra_> JaneW, a bit... 
[11:17] <ogra_> JaneW, mhz made a sucessfull install yesterday if i understood him right... he has a presentation with edubuntu these days
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm i will be making a presentation in a local university, maybe its a good idea to show edubuntu
[11:18] <ogra_> jsgotangco, do you present ltsp ? mhz is explicitly going for a ltsp install :)
[11:19] <jsgotangco> well i have 2 laptops i can try
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i can probably just show to the faculty
[11:19] <ogra_> note that ltsp doesnt work over wireless
[11:19] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i'll do a cross cable then
[11:20] <ogra_> yup
[11:22] <ogra_> jsgotangco, just follow the notes on http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting and dont use the daily CDs
[11:22] <jsgotangco> use colony instead?
[11:22] <ogra_> nope, the one thats linked from that wikipage...
[11:23] <jsgotangco> okay
[11:23] <ogra_> (this is sort of a edubuntu colony)
[11:23] <ogra_> grmpf
[11:24] <ogra_> and tested
[11:26] <jsgotangco> ogra's colony? heh
[11:27] <ogra_> heh :=)
[11:30] <ogra_> JaneW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[11:30] <ogra_> looking better :)
[11:34] <ogra_> hey, i said its looking better... no reason to flee...
[12:02] <JaneW> do we need an equivalent page to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryArtwork for edubutnu?
[12:04] <ogra_> heh, you seem to have the same thoughts today, i'm just creating the edubuntu-artwork package... and wanted to ask if i should simply include all wallpapers we have on the wiki now
[12:04] <ogra_> i dont think we need such a page...
[12:04] <ogra_> at least not the special "icons" part
[12:05] <ogra_> JaneW, did you get my last msg before your line dropped ? 
 JaneW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
 looking better :)
[12:23] <jsgotangco> wooo now language-pack-en stalls at stage 2 88%
[12:23] <jsgotangco> what more can I ask :)
[12:25] <ogra_> switch to tty4
[12:25] <ogra_> (alt f4)
[12:26] <ogra_> what does it say
[12:29] <jsgotangco> hmmm i wasn't able to do that i forced to shutdown the machine
[12:29] <ogra_> hmm... did you have network connection during install ? 
[12:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:29] <ogra_> hmm...
[12:29] <ogra_> i dont have that here
[12:29] <jsgotangco> this is colony 3
[12:30] <ogra_> ah, i thought you installed the edubuntu CD
[12:30] <jsgotangco> oh the edubuntu cd installs fine
[12:30] <ogra_> :)
[12:30] <ogra_> nice to hear
[12:30] <jsgotangco> i am complaining about the beloved Tecra M2
[12:31] <jsgotangco> Breezy's X is the most beautiful i have seen yet though
[12:31] <ogra_> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples should i put all wallpapers in the package for now to have them selectable in the theme selector ? (except the one that says "testing")
[12:33] <jsgotangco> ogra_, if stage 2 still hangs i can just check on tty4 and see what's being done right?
[12:33] <ogra_> yup
[12:33] <jsgotangco> ok anything else or just tty4?
[12:34] <jsgotangco> because its asking me a question if I should install packages, etc.
[12:34] <ogra_> tty4 shows the progress of the installation
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ok great i will just restart this andcheck
[12:47] <JaneW> gess what's up with my link today...? :(
[12:51] <ogra_> JaneW, so another time...
[12:51] <ogra_> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples should i put all wallpapers in the package for now to have them selectable in the theme selector ? (except the one that says "testing")
[12:52] <ogra_> i think that makes sense
[12:53] <ogra_> hmm, seems she dropped again...
[01:36] <ogra_> JaneW, alive now ? 
[03:43] <ogra_> poor jane_
[03:45] <Petaris> Hi ogra_
[03:45] <ogra_> hey Petaris
[03:47] <jane_> ogra: sorry this line is just ridiculous today...
[03:47] <jane_> ogra: but at least I am catching up on my e-mail backlog
[03:48] <ogra_> jane_: i know how that feels.... :/
[03:52] <ogra_> Petaris: try sabayon... and create a user profile
[03:52] <Petaris> You know a management interface that allows you to change client desktops easily would be wonderful, make the change and have the users logout  then back in and tada
[03:52] <ogra_> we'll probably include it
[03:52] <ogra_> thats sabayon
[03:53] <Petaris> is that gnome only?
[03:53] <Petaris> hrm
[03:53] <ogra_> yup
[03:54] <ogra_> its the gnome version of kiosk mode but far more fine grained
[03:54] <Petaris> I need a better solution
[03:54] <Petaris> :/
[03:55] <ogra_> but it does exactly what you described above
[03:56] <Petaris> But I need a solution for icewm
[03:57] <ogra_> thats why we didnt pick icewm for this release, there is no sane and easy solution...
[03:58] <ogra_> you have to edit /etc/skel or the users ~/.icewm files... thats evil ...
[03:58] <Petaris> ogra_: If you plan on having a light weight ltsp offering you will need some easy way for users to manage the client desktops
[03:59] <Petaris> what is /etc/skel?
[03:59] <ogra_> yup... as i said, tat will require a good thought out solution that takes time to develop... so we picked the stuff we know that works for this release...
[04:00] <Petaris> hrm
[04:00] <ogra_> the default files that get copied into the users home dir, some people do the default settings for icewm there
[04:00] <Petaris> I suppose that one could do it with a perl script
[04:00] <Petaris> oh, ok
[04:01] <ogra_> sure, but on the next upgrade your changes might be lost...
[04:01] <ogra_> thats why you dont just use random perl scripts for such things
[04:01] <Petaris> not if that script pulls from a static config file
[04:02] <Petaris> you could create a dumby user and set their profile up to be a template that the script pulls from to set for all users of the ltsp group
[04:03] <Petaris> hrm
[04:03] <Petaris> it could be done   ;)
[04:08] <Petaris> ogra: do you know if there is a lesson pack for ktouch?
[04:08] <jane_> ogra: so do we have anything workable yet?
[04:09] <ogra_> jane_ sure, we already have users... mhz is about to do a presentation with edubuntu
[04:09] <ogra_> jane_ Petaris is using hios own tweaked version...
[04:10] <ogra_> his even
[04:11] <ogra_> jane_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[04:11] <ogra_> jane_ the one yellow one from -desktop is a bit odd but should be solved today or tomorrow (depending on pitti)
[04:12] <jane_> yay
[04:12] <jane_> :)
[04:12] <jane_> your mood seems a lot lighter too
[04:12] <jane_> so good news all round
[04:12] <jane_> desktop is looking great
[04:13] <ogra_> due to seb128's transition over the weekend all cdbuilds (ubuntu too) are broken currentyl, but i'm confident well have our CD ready if ubuntu builds agaion
[04:13] <jane_> is server still a headache? (awaiting kamion?)
[04:13] <ogra_> Kamion is needed for preseed changes on the CD... 
[04:13] <ogra_> the rest should sort itself over time...
[04:14] <ogra_> nvu is giving me headdaches, but i'm just tlaking with a c++ god this second who might hlep me out here
[04:14] <ogra_> the moodle change is relatively trivial... and the rest of server is only pending pitti reviews
[04:17] <ogra_> (which would already been done, but sabdfl requested a new version of schooltool last week)
[04:17] <jane_> ok
[04:17] <jane_> elaborate?
[04:18] <jane_> new version of schooltool?
[04:19] <ogra_> i have gotten the new schooltool packages on thursday, uploaded on friday... pitti wanted to do the inclusion report for the old version on wednesday, but would have needed a new one for the new version... so that was pending until friday...
[04:20] <ogra_> they are there now... as soon as he has time for it, he'll go on with the reviews
[04:20] <jane_> gah I can not get the BreezyGoal owneres to update their goals without a struggle
[04:20] <jane_> and Matt is getting harsh about it...
[04:21] <ogra_> yes, i can understand it.. it hurts me too to defer gnome-power, but i spent the whole weekend with it and it would still requirew too much work to get it ready this release...
[04:22] <ogra_> its like admitting ou didnt make your job...
[04:23] <ogra_> jane_: nobody likes to admit that he failed his goals...
[04:24] <JaneW> ogra: understood but Matt is adamant that it;s now Feature Freeze so things are either in or out now...
[04:25] <ogra_> i understand that but it still hurts
[04:25] <JaneW> ogra: I understand his need to be tought too
[04:25] <JaneW> ogra: yes, far too much has been deferred
[04:25] <JaneW> but we have learned from it
[04:25] <JaneW> it was unrealistic to tackle quite so many goals
[04:26] <JaneW> we need to streamline better next time
[04:26] <ogra_> hehe, yes, dont pick up random suggestions from users on conferences
[04:26] <JaneW> and prioritise
[04:26] <JaneW> nod nod nod
[04:26] <ogra_> yup
[04:27] <Rondom> quote: ogra_: thats why we didnt pick icewm for this release, there is no sane and easy solution.
[04:27] <Rondom> does that mean icewm won't be the standard wm for edubuntu?
[04:27] <Rondom> hi
[04:27] <ogra_> Rondom: nope
[04:27] <George> hello
[04:27] <ogra_> Rondom: as you can read on www.edubuntu-org
[04:28] <George> I'm doing an article on Linux in Education and I'm very interested in the edubuntu project
[04:28] <ogra_> s/-/.
[04:28] <George> :)
[04:29] <George> ogra_: are you one of the devels?
[04:29] <ogra_> yup
[04:29] <George> cool
[04:29] <George> ogra_: do you know much about the Skubuntu installations in S. Africa?
[04:29] <ogra_> George: and jane_ is our release manager :)
[04:29] <George> :)
[04:30] <ogra_> George: that would be a question for highvoltage, he's skubuntu dev
[04:30] <George> ah, ok
[04:30] <ogra_> they presented skubuntu o our summit though
[04:30] <ogra_> s/o/on
[04:30] <George> is there anything you can tell me about edubuntu, as the wiki seems to be a bit of a maze
[04:30] <George> and a bit thin on details
[04:31] <Rondom> george: indeed
[04:31] <ogra_> its a "out of the box ltsp install" with gome desktop, educational apps and a handfull of servers like mediawiki, schooltool and moodle
[04:32] <George> ogra_: ah cool
[04:32] <George> ogra_: what's its relationship with ubuntu?
[04:32] <ogra_> all stuff we develop gets developed in ubuntu 
[04:32] <George> ah
[04:32] <George> ogra_: do you think you could provide me with some screenshots?
[04:33] <ogra_> only the app selection that lands on the CD, the artwork and the server stuff are different
[04:33] <George> ok
[04:33] <Rondom> the wiki isn't a big maze, it's only sometimes difficult to find the things you need, but this is murphy's law
[04:33] <George> Rondom: hehe
[04:33] <Rondom> question, will there alo be live-cds for edubuntu
[04:33] <George> yes, that's a point
[04:33] <ogra_> currently they would look like ubuntu... there is not much difference yet... i'm just fifnishing the artwork package here so we can actually use the contributed stuff
[04:34] <Rondom> yes
[04:34] <Rondom> I only considered showing other people at school edubuntu wehn it#s mature enough
[04:34] <George> ogra_: do you think you could send me some screenshots to publish?
[04:34] <ogra_> Rondom: i planned it, but i doubt we'll have enough time this release... additionally you couldnt really use ltsp from a CD its just to slow 
[04:35] <ogra_> Rondom: it would be rather a presentation tool to have a liveCD
[04:35] <Rondom> you have a point
[04:35] <Rondom> ltsp wasn't the thing I would use on a live-cd
[04:35] <George> ogra_: please? :)
[04:36] <Rondom> but I doubt linux has big chance at our school
[04:36] <ogra_> George: as i said, we currently look like ubuntu... as soon as we have something i can send you shots of it indeed
[04:36] <George> ah
[04:36] <George> ok
[04:36] <Rondom> they don't even use ff and oo, but ie and ms office
[04:37] <ogra_> there is no big difference... as long as it doesnt come to visual basic driver enhancements
[04:37] <George> ogra_: can you tell me a bit about the Student Control Panel?
[04:37] <George> ogra_: or point me to some resources about it?
[04:38] <ogra_> George: it is unlikely to be ready for this release, but it will give te teacher control over the logged in students and their running apps 
[04:38] <George> ahh, cool
[04:38] <George> ogra_: any screenies?
[04:38] <ogra_> www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[04:39] <ogra_> brb
[04:42] <Rondom> ogra_, are you from germany
[04:42] <jane_> hi George 
[04:42] <JaneW> sorry this is really me
[04:43] <George> hey :)
[04:43] <JaneW> I have been bouncing between sessions today, trying to get a persistent connection
[04:43] <George> heh
[04:43] <JaneW> George: regarding screenshots and details etc etc
[04:43] <JaneW> we don't have that much available yet
[04:43] <George> ok
[04:44] <JaneW> because orga is still slaving away to get the fountation put together
[04:44] <JaneW> foundation even
[04:44] <JaneW> and it has been a challenge to say the least
[04:44] <JaneW> ;)
[04:44] <George> hardly surprising :)
[04:44] <George> distros are big projects
[04:44] <George> heh
[04:45] <JaneW> hopefully in the next couple of weeks we can make steady progress and start getting some nice look and feel stuff on top to
[04:45] <JaneW> too
[04:47] <George> nice
[04:47] <George> I presume GNOME was used as that's the default DE for Ubuntu?
[04:47] <George> (said like a true KDE dude)
[04:47] <George> :)
[04:51] <Petaris> Random: What type of school?
[04:53] <Rondom> Petaris: do you mean me
[04:53] <JaneW> George: yes we are Gnome by default (althoug that was quite a debate)
[04:54] <Rondom> what do you want to know exactly?
[04:55] <George> JaneW: heh
[04:55] <Rondom> Petaris: are you familiar with the german school system?
[04:56] <Petaris> Rondom: no I'm not
[04:56] <Petaris> I was just curious what grade levels your school serves
[04:57] <Petaris> I'm K-12 here, but I'm not sure how that translates
[04:57] <Rondom> after primary school we have three types of school: you have one school for the good pupils, one for the average and one for the worse pupils
[04:58] <Rondom> I went to the gymnasium (a dictionary says it's "grammar school" in english), which is the school for better pupils. After that you go to the oberstufe
[04:58] <ogra_> Rondom: ha ha 
[04:59] <ogra_> (school for "better" pupils)
[04:59] <Rondom> after finishing the oberstufe you have something similiar to the A-Levels in the english/american school-system
[04:59] <Rondom> ogra_, are you from germany?
[04:59] <ogra_> yup
[05:00] <ogra_> and i doubt that a gymnasium is a "school for better pupils"
[05:00] <Rondom> yes I meant
[05:00] <Rondom> good
[05:00] <Rondom> but it's is a school for better pupils
[05:00] <Rondom> and the realschule a school for normal pupils
[05:01] <Rondom> and the hauptschule is a school for pupils who are a little bit worse
[05:01] <Rondom> petaris, where are you from?
[05:02] <Rondom> don't know
[05:02] <Petaris> Rondom: US
[05:03] <ogra_> Rondom: not the grammar school...
[05:03] <Rondom> WEll, I also went to a comprehensive school, but visited grammar school there
[05:03] <Rondom> If you know what I mean
[05:04] <Rondom> There's a private grammar school in neighbourhood, and it#s the same with them. They believe they are something better
[05:05] <Rondom> but they aren't
[05:05] <Rondom> my sister went to that school and it plays a role if you donate
[05:06] <ogra_> Rondom: i just dont like the term "better pupils"
[05:06] <ogra_> Rondom: its like saying people living in a third world country are "dumb people"
[05:08] <ogra_> just because they dont have the abilitys people in first world countrys have.... 
[05:08] <Rondom> I also don't like it
[05:09] <Rondom> I don't think of me as something better, because I go to the oberstufe/went to the gymnasium
[05:10] <Rondom> my neighbour used a car battery, some speakers and a "bike wagon" to have music while riding his bike
[05:10] <George> ogra_: can I have that picture of the SCP published?
[05:11] <Rondom> he even built a roof for the wagon, so he can use it when it's rainy
[05:11] <Rondom> this is something I can't do at all
[05:11] <Petaris> ogra_: www.primeur.com
[05:11] <Petaris> er, http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/ums/
[05:11] <Petaris> have you seen that before
[05:11] <ogra_> George: as long as you note that its vaporware for now, sure :)
[05:12] <George> ogra_: heh, ok
[05:12] <George> ogra_: I'll say that it's in the works and could be included as early as the second release of Edubuntu
[05:13] <ogra_> George: i just produced 3 screenshots from the new artwork package (note that its interim for now... we still have to get some artwork)
[05:13] <George> ogra_: where?
[05:13] <ogra_> not uploaded yet...
[05:13] <George> ah, ok
[05:18] <mhz> re
[05:20] <George> ogra_: you were educated in .uk? (just reading your comments about grammar/comprehensives)
[05:20] <ogra_> George: nope, i'm german
[05:20] <George> ah
[05:20] <mhz> .oO(we should have something like Wikipedia... we could have "representatives" from each country/region and give a little support to them (hosting, mail, posters, t-shirts, etc) It's been sort of difficult to borrow a server, invest on t-shirts, biz cards, etc.)
[05:21] <George> ogra_: what sort of control will be given to the teacher in SCP?
[05:23] <ogra_> George: only the basic... "kick this pupil out", "kill this pupils apps" and "connect to this pupils desktop" actions... 
[05:24] <ogra_> George: as i said before, for kiosk mode and default profiles we'll have sabayon
[05:24] <George> ogra_: where connect to this pupil's desktop means remote control or just monitoring?
[05:24] <ogra_> a vnc connection on one click
[05:24] <George> ah, ok
[05:25] <ogra_> the screenshot is a bit outdated, the "network" button looks already more intuitive here...
[06:07] <highvoltage> hi there. just as i left work, and typed /quit and hit enter, i noticed someone said something to me here, but i missed it.
[06:07] <highvoltage> sorry :)
[06:31] <George> hey highvoltage 
[06:40] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[06:59] <highvoltage> hi Petaris 
[07:00] <highvoltage> (been talking to george off-channel)
[07:00] <George> :)
[08:11] <JaneW> ogra: content filtering? Implemented orDeferred?
[08:12] <ogra> deferred
[08:12] <ogra> power management config as well
[08:14] <JaneW> ogra: ok will edit page now
[08:15] <ogra> JaneW, thanks, i was about to do it...
[08:18] <JaneW> np
[08:19] <ogra> :)
[08:21] <JaneW> ogra: I like your screenshot btw..now that I have bandwidth I got a chance to see them :)
[08:21] <JaneW> ogra: but what's the thing that looks like a little embryo in the Usplash screen?
[08:23] <ogra> JaneW, the nautilus icon....
[08:23] <ogra> you see it every time you log in...
[08:24] <JaneW> oic - it's weird!
[08:24] <JaneW> oh is it a shell?
[08:24] <ogra> yep
[08:24] <ogra> but a crappy one
[08:24] <JaneW> ok
[08:24] <ogra> JaneW, i thought the images as they are are placeholders for now... but we can use them if nobody provides us the artwork we need
[08:25] <JaneW> by=tw I know you are not the lead but do you know what's up with GraphicalPartitioningTool? I haven;t been able to get an update from Daniel Holbach
[08:25] <JaneW> ogra: great, at least we have a default then. I think once the CD's are stable and installable we'll get more interest in the artwork
[08:25] <JaneW> do you agree?
[08:25] <ogra> JaneW, the patch was mailed to ubuntu-devel and to the UbuntuExpress guys
[08:25] <JaneW> once ppl are using it they are likley to want to add to and improve it
[08:25] <ogra> yup
[08:26] <ogra> i added all the wallpapers from the wiki for now, i need to find out the names and mail adresses from all the submitters for the copyright notes...
[08:26] <JaneW> ogra: right... mdz thinks there are bits missing... 
[08:26] <JaneW> "there were a set of specific modifications to gparted that Daniel was
[08:26] <JaneW> supposed to make, and we need to know which ones are still incomplete."
[08:27] <JaneW> I have no seen him on line today and he hasn't responded to my mail from Friday
[08:27] <ogra> ah, ok... i think he refers to the naming of mountpoints
[08:44] <Petaris> hrm
[08:46] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: how are you doing?
[08:48] <Petaris> highvoltage: how do you acomplish pushing icons to users screens?
[08:49] <Petaris> is it a script or do you use that gnome profile manager
[08:53] <ogra> ok, nvu wont make it... there is no way to support it in main security wise...
[08:54] <ogra> any suggestions, we have the choice between quanta or screem
[08:54] <ogra> #?
[08:54] <Petaris> ogra: is that nvu the web editor
[08:54] <ogra> yep
[08:54] <Petaris> I always had issues with it when I tried it
[08:55] <Petaris> that was when I used dreamweaver though
[08:55] <highvoltage> Petaris: it's a script, borrowed from k12ltsp
[08:55] <Petaris> now I just use a text editor
[08:55] <ogra> it works fine, but due to its source its not supportable
[08:55] <highvoltage> Petaris: a user drags the icon to an icon on their desktop (link to the script)
[08:55] <Petaris> highvoltage: ahh, ok
[08:55] <highvoltage> ths script then accepts this as an argument, and copies this link to all the other users' desktops.
[08:55] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[08:56] <Petaris> do you know how it handles the permissions?
[08:56] <Petaris> oh, wait
[08:56] <highvoltage> ogra: i think quanta+ is very, very cool.
[08:56] <highvoltage> hi JaneW 
[08:56] <Petaris> I know how I could do that
[08:56] <highvoltage> Petaris: i think it has a line that chowns it.
[08:56] <highvoltage> Petaris: i can e-mail the script to you, if you like, it's quite small.
[08:56] <ogra> highvoltage, the odd thing is that it depends on silly stuff like kfilereplace and uses documentation thats not in main...
[08:57] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. that is silly.
[08:57] <Petaris> later JaneW
[08:57] <Petaris> highvoltage: yeah that would be great
[08:57] <ogra> highvoltage, but it seems to work well... 
[08:57] <Petaris> I will end up tweaking it for use with icewm
[08:58] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. people will be able to install it from universe, so all is cool.
[08:58] <highvoltage> Petaris: your email address?
[08:58] <Petaris> send it to petaris@gmail.com
[08:58] <ogra> highvoltage, i'd like tohave everything needed on the CD... only main goes there
[08:59] <ogra> highvoltage, and having referrals all over the place to non existing docs isnt nice...
[08:59] <highvoltage> Petaris: sent
[08:59] <Petaris> cool, thanks
[09:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i understand, no problemo.
[09:00] <JaneW> cheers
[09:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: cheers!
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[09:51] <Rondom> can I make my ubuntu do an edubuntu by installing a meta package?
[09:51] <ogra> Rondom, yes
[09:51] <Rondom> edubuntu-desktop?
[09:51] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server are parts of ubuntu
[09:52] <ogra> and edubuntu-artwork will hit the archive tomorrow i hope
[09:53] <Rondom> that means if I install a hoary and modify a after-installation script to install these packages I have everything I need for edubuntu?
[09:53] <ogra> Rondom, in fact our standalone workstation version will be a ubuntu with edubuntu-desktop/-artwork instead of ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <ogra> Rondom, only for the standalone workstation version
[09:54] <ogra> the default edubuntu is a ltsp based thin client server ...
[09:54] <ogra> workstation will be a install option like the server option is now for ubuntu...
[09:55] <Rondom> whatever
[09:55] <Rondom> I was only asking because I got too much ubuntu cds
[09:55] <ogra> heh
[09:55] <Rondom> I ordered them at two places
[09:56] <ogra> CDRW is a fine invention :)
[09:56] <ogra> oh, ok
[09:56] <Rondom> and I reduced my orders at shipit.ubuntu-linux.org to zero, but I got three times more than I needed
[09:57] <ogra> give them away...
[09:57] <Rondom> that's what I plan to do
[09:57] <ogra> great :) 
[09:57] <Rondom> but I don't think anyone needs them
[09:57] <ogra> thats whats the intention of shipit
[09:57] <Rondom> yeah I ordered 25 x86, 5 amd64 and 2 ppc there
[09:57] <ogra> Rondom, 1000 people at linuxtag thought different about it :) 
[09:58] <Rondom> now I have around 75 x86
[09:58] <Rondom> 10 amd64
[09:58] <ogra> and even 500 more would have been grabbed by people if they were there
[09:58] <Rondom> what do you mean by that?
[09:58] <ogra> s/were/would have been
[09:59] <ogra> there were only 1000 ubuntu CDs at linuxtag...
[09:59] <Rondom> oh, too few