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| caldwell_ | in both breezy linux kernel-amd64 image packages, my amd64 system won't boot because the initrd img doesn't have libc.so.6 in the correct directory | 04:36 |
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| caldwell_ | is this a known issue? | 04:36 |
| caldwell_ | it happens in both 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 breezy packages | 04:37 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:43 |
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| doko | fabbione: can the amd64 kernels handle >= 4GB machines? | 10:42 |
| fabbione | doko: no | 10:42 |
| fabbione | none of our kernels are compiled with > 4GB support | 10:43 |
| doko | would it be penalty for machines with <4GB? | 10:43 |
| fabbione | yes | 10:47 |
| fabbione | it introduces an extra layer in the mm | 10:47 |
| doko | and with 4GB, you can only use 3,7GB or something like that. You don't have plans for >4GB support, don't you? | 11:03 |
| fabbione | dunno.. never used linux with more than 2GB | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | well, with 4GB, it's faster to use the <4GB model than the >4GB model in most cases. | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | since PAE is stinking shit. | 11:06 |
| doko | ok | 11:06 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:03 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 02:03 |
| zul | hey fabbione good weekend? | 02:03 |
| fabbione | zul: yeaish.. you? | 02:03 |
| zul | yeah went to see the 40 year old virgin | 02:04 |
| zul | pretty funny | 02:04 |
| fabbione | what's that? | 02:04 |
| zul | its a movie that just opened up | 02:04 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 02:04 |
| zul | mainly bigoraphical with some people i use to work with :) | 02:05 |
| zul | thats a bad joke.. | 02:07 |
| fabbione | was it a joke? | 02:08 |
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| zul | meh...too early | 02:08 |
| fabbione | zul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero <- | 02:08 |
| zul | sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 02:08 |
| fabbione | you live in montreal, don't you? | 02:09 |
| zul | no im about 2 hours away | 02:09 |
| zul | happy happy joy joy | 02:09 |
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| fabbione | hey BenC_ | 03:01 |
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| zul | its not that cold in canada in november anyways | 03:02 |
| fabbione | zul: like if we need to care :) | 03:02 |
| fabbione | we will be so busy that we won't get a chance to go out anyway | 03:02 |
| zul | true | 03:02 |
| chmj | we have one sunday off | 03:05 |
| fabbione | chmj: not distro | 03:05 |
| fabbione | only LP | 03:05 |
| fabbione | distro will be flying back on sunday | 03:06 |
| chmj | bah! | 03:06 |
| chmj | heh, true | 03:07 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: it doesn't say that on the plan, it just says "day off" and I at least intend to take that in .ca. | 03:20 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i am sure you will have to pay for the hotel if you want to stay longer | 03:23 |
| chmj | fabbione: quick question | 03:24 |
| fabbione | chmj: just ask... | 03:25 |
| chmj | fabbione: issin't $ getconf LFS_CFLAGS suppose to return "-D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" instead of "-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" | 03:25 |
| fabbione | chmj: no idea | 03:26 |
| chmj | fabbione: becouse the second one still doesn't enable LFS support, first one does | 03:26 |
| chmj | doko: ping ? | 03:27 |
| doko | chmj: pong | 03:27 |
| chmj | doko: --------^ any idea | 03:28 |
| doko | ENOCLUE | 03:29 |
| chmj | ok | 03:30 |
| chmj | doko: I figured `getconf LFS_CFLAGS` should return ... | 03:35 |
| chmj | #define _LARGEFILE64_SOURCE | 03:35 |
| chmj | #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64 | 03:35 |
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| Mithrandir | fabbione: I won. :-) | 03:48 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: better you than me this time :) | 03:49 |
| Mithrandir | yup | 03:49 |
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| fabbione | hey Ben | 04:06 |
| BenC | hey | 04:06 |
| fabbione | did you have a nice weekend? | 04:06 |
| BenC | normally I'd say yes, but no :) | 04:07 |
| fabbione | you need to get a better inet connection :) | 04:07 |
| BenC | my connection seems to be fine | 04:07 |
| BenC | my ssh sessions don't timeout | 04:07 |
| BenC | just IRC | 04:07 |
| fabbione | you keep pinging out | 04:07 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 04:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: can i reassing all the kernel bugs to you? | 04:08 |
| BenC | yeah, let me have it | 04:08 |
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| fabbione | BenC: eheh i will do it tomorrow :) | 04:08 |
| fabbione | there is no rush ;) | 04:08 |
| fabbione | i remember there is a trick to do that in crapzilla... | 04:08 |
| BenC | fabbione: is there really a mac_hid module that is needed for ppc users to use apple mice? | 04:09 |
| BenC | I thought normal hid would work | 04:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: i guess you are talking about James bug, aren't you? | 04:10 |
| BenC | 13787 | 04:10 |
| fabbione | that module is available on ppc32 only | 04:10 |
| fabbione | it's not even in the PPC64 Kconfig tree | 04:11 |
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| BenC | what types of apple mice need that module? | 04:11 |
| fabbione | no clue.. i don't have a ppc at all | 04:11 |
| fabbione | anyway 13787 is sort of duplicate of 13826 | 04:11 |
| BenC | it's not a driver at all | 04:12 |
| BenC | it's a 2+3 mouse button emulator for apple mice | 04:13 |
| BenC | well, not a driver in the sense that it is needed to use the mouse | 04:13 |
| fabbione | get ready for a 270 mails of spam from crapzilla | 04:13 |
| fabbione | should be done :) | 04:14 |
| fabbione | hmm nobody did close the bugs from 7.11??? | 04:16 |
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| ivoks | hi | 04:18 |
| zul | spaam spam spam | 04:19 |
| ivoks | :> | 04:19 |
| zul | hey...you changed some of my bugs as well.. | 04:20 |
| ivoks | who? | 04:20 |
| fabbione | zul: i did it in a batch... | 04:21 |
| fabbione | sorry.. take them back and coordinate with BenC | 04:21 |
| zul | ok.. | 04:22 |
| BenC | fabbione: I closed 13787, can 13826 be closed you think? I can't see how he enabled ADB in the PPC64 config anyway, since it seems it shouldn't be able to do so | 04:24 |
| BenC | maybe he used a PPC .config or something | 04:24 |
| fabbione | BenC: i am not sure how he managed to get there... | 04:24 |
| fabbione | but elmo definetely has CONFIG_PPC64 | 04:24 |
| fabbione | no idea if he forced it there | 04:25 |
| BenC | oh, that's J Troup's bug? | 04:25 |
| BenC | should be closed by default then :) | 04:25 |
| fabbione | ahhaha | 04:25 |
| fabbione | PEBAK KTHXBYE | 04:25 |
| fabbione | :P | 04:25 |
| BenC | fabbione: weird, if I do "make menuconfig ARCH=ppc64" it let's me choose ADB and ADBHID options | 04:27 |
| fabbione | yeah.. but the mac stuff in that dir is not for ppc64 afaik | 04:36 |
| fabbione | it doesn't build at all | 04:36 |
| fabbione | nothing in that dir does | 04:36 |
| BenC | there are a couple of G5 things in there | 04:37 |
| BenC | SMU and tristate "Support for thermal management on PowerMac G5" | 04:37 |
| fabbione | hmm we do build SMU | 04:37 |
| BenC | mostly it's ADB stuff | 04:37 |
| fabbione | it's mandatory for ppc64 | 04:37 |
| BenC | yeah, IMO it should be "default y" and depend PPC_PMAC64 | 04:38 |
| fabbione | possibly.. my ppc64 knowledge is quite limited to what benh tells me | 04:38 |
| BenC | looks like the email flood stopped | 04:40 |
| fabbione | yeah | 04:41 |
| fabbione | we need to check other pkgs/status too | 04:41 |
| fabbione | like PENDINGUPLOAD | 04:41 |
| fabbione | i don't think the search i did got them | 04:41 |
| fabbione | oh teh one assigned to kernel-package | 04:42 |
| fabbione | I HATE CRAPZILLA | 04:44 |
| fabbione | little more spam.. 10 mails.. no more | 04:47 |
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| fabbione | hey jammcq | 04:50 |
| jammcq | fabbione: just got the bugzilla email | 04:50 |
| jammcq | thanks for adding FUSE to the kernel | 04:50 |
| fabbione | oh that was done a long ago... | 04:50 |
| jammcq | will make LOTS of ltsp folks happy | 04:50 |
| fabbione | i noticed only now because the bug was against kernel-package | 04:50 |
| fabbione | whilst it should have been linux :) | 04:50 |
| fabbione | but it has been in the kernel for while | 04:50 |
| jammcq | oh | 04:50 |
| jammcq | cool | 04:50 |
| fabbione | i think it was done the kernel immediatly after you asked for it in irc.. | 04:51 |
| jammcq | that's what I like... I ask for things, and they happen :) | 04:51 |
| fabbione | jammcq: i am glad it will be helpful :) | 04:52 |
| fabbione | jammcq: don't ask for money or sex.. i am running out myself ;) | 04:52 |
| jammcq | damn | 04:52 |
| BenC | jammcq: you work with ltsp? | 04:52 |
| fabbione | jammcq: of course fuse will cost you a beer ;:P | 04:52 |
| jammcq | ok, i'll think of something else | 04:52 |
| jammcq | BenC: yeah, it's my project | 04:52 |
| fabbione | BenC meet jammcq, jammcq meet BenC | 04:52 |
| jammcq | hello benc | 04:52 |
| fabbione | jammcq: BenC is the new kernel maintainer as of today .) | 04:53 |
| jammcq | ah, cool | 04:53 |
| BenC | jammcq: do you know if matt's changes to use bindfs overcame the problems with unionfs being broken in the latest kernel? | 04:53 |
| jammcq | fabbione: where are you going? | 04:53 |
| zul | im still a flunky | 04:53 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes. he doesn't use unionfs anymore.. hence my proposal to kill it from the kernel | 04:53 |
| fabbione | jammcq: back to userland... | 04:53 |
| BenC | fabbione: gladly | 04:53 |
| jammcq | BenC: hmm, dunno. matt's methods are different from standard LTSP. But, once the bugz are worked out, we'll prolly adopts the ubuntu way | 04:53 |
| jammcq | fabbione: Ubuntu-userland? | 04:54 |
| fabbione | jammcq: yup :) | 04:56 |
| jammcq | cool. I look forward to see all you guys at the next ubuntu mtg. Looks like we'll have a bunch of ltsp guys there this time | 04:58 |
| fabbione | jammcq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero <- | 04:59 |
| desrt | woh. score | 05:00 |
| desrt | that's a long conf. | 05:00 |
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| desrt | BenC; blame fabbio :) | 05:01 |
| fabbione | i bleam GTK | 05:01 |
| fabbione | blame | 05:01 |
| desrt | you always blame GTK | 05:01 |
| desrt | you need something new | 05:01 |
| fabbione | i blame desrt and all the stupid lusers that buy broken hw | 05:02 |
| desrt | i did a build-dep for the restricted modules source the other day and it installed qt.... i think you should blame qt | 05:02 |
| desrt | *glare* | 05:02 |
| chmj | rather blame glibc | 05:02 |
| desrt | mm. glibc is a nice easy target | 05:03 |
| jammcq | fabbione: ah, nice to see a webpage for UBZ. I guess that means its official. Montreal is easy for us to get to. | 05:03 |
| fabbione | jammcq: it will be official soon | 05:03 |
| fabbione | don't rely on that info 100% yet | 05:03 |
| jammcq | k | 05:04 |
| fabbione | iirc the announcment will be done today or tomorrow... | 05:04 |
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| zul | its not that cold in noevember | 05:14 |
| zul | just buy some long underwear | 05:14 |
| zul | but it is a culture shock coming from south africa to canada in winter | 05:14 |
| zul | been there...done that | 05:15 |
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| jammcq | jbailey: hey, just the guy I need to talk to | 05:32 |
| jbailey | jammcq: I'm lagging a bit, I'm just on the phone. | 05:33 |
| jammcq | ok, when you get a chance, I've got some questions about the initramfs image for the ubuntu/ltsp kernels. Like... is it using busybox? | 05:33 |
| jbailey | It is. | 05:34 |
| jbailey | Feel free to /msg me a series of questions and I'll get them as I have brain space in this call. | 05:34 |
| jammcq | k | 05:34 |
| zul | BenC: do you want to divy up the x86 bugs? | 05:37 |
| zul | hey jeff | 05:37 |
| BenC | zul: you can feel free to attack whatever bugs you feel you can | 05:39 |
| BenC | it'll be awhile before I can even go through them all and see which are still valid | 05:39 |
| zul | ok cool... | 05:39 |
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| BenC | mjg59: ping | 07:19 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Hi | 07:20 |
| BenC | mjg59: hey, have you seen bug 13786 yet? | 07:20 |
| BenC | I'm inclined to assign it to you and usplash | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | Uh | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | It's not a usplash issue | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | The framebuffer doesn't work in the installer, either | 07:21 |
| BenC | thing is, vga16fb is known not to work on all hardware, especially laptop/lcd situations | 07:21 |
| BenC | well, true | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | The issue is that the installer doesn't communicate that to the installed system | 07:22 |
| BenC | problem is that he removed splash and added vga=normal to the grub conf, and it still loaded vga16fb | 07:22 |
| BenC | atleast that's what the reporter claims | 07:22 |
| mjg59 | Yes, that's initramfs | 07:22 |
| mjg59 | if you include modules, they get autoloaded | 07:23 |
| mjg59 | I need to check if jeff's fixed that yet | 07:23 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Hmm? | 07:23 |
| jbailey | It depends on how you include them. | 07:23 |
| jbailey | Anything in modules.d gets auto loaded. | 07:23 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Ah. I don't think I've had a chance to look at it since you provided an alternative mechanism | 07:23 |
| jbailey | You can do things conditionally with hook scripts now at build time. | 07:23 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:23 |
| jbailey | Take a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/ | 07:24 |
| mjg59 | So yeah, there's a multitude of bugs here: | 07:24 |
| BenC | so remove modules.d/usplash | 07:24 |
| mjg59 | 1) vga16fb is broken on some hardware and probably shouldn't be | 07:24 |
| jbailey | The two interesting functions are "manual_add_modules" which adds the module to the initramfs but doesn't load it. | 07:24 |
| mjg59 | 2) the installer doesn't usefully tell the system that the framebuffer is broken | 07:24 |
| jbailey | and force_load which adds the modules to the initramfs and does load it. | 07:24 |
| mjg59 | 3) usplash is including modules the wrong way | 07:24 |
| BenC | how can the installer know that the framebuffer is broken? | 07:25 |
| BenC | if they disable it from the command line? | 07:25 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 07:25 |
| BenC | what's the name of the installer package? | 07:26 |
| mjg59 | debian-installer | 07:27 |
| BenC | how does "splash" get added to grub.conf? | 07:27 |
| jbailey | It seems to have been there for ages. | 07:27 |
| mjg59 | It's put there by default | 07:27 |
| BenC | ok | 07:27 |
| mjg59 | Either d-i or grub, I guess | 07:27 |
| jbailey | Yeah, it's there even in Hoary. | 07:28 |
| BenC | ok, filed a bug for debian-installer | 07:30 |
| BenC | even if it's a grub default, the installer should be responsible for overriding it, IMO | 07:30 |
| BenC | mjg59: you have a bug for the module loading problem? | 07:31 |
| BenC | in usplash | 07:31 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Not filed | 07:34 |
| BenC | want me to file one? | 07:34 |
| mjg59 | Plesae | 07:35 |
| BenC | filed as 13980 | 07:39 |
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| zul | #7948 is more of a alsa/gnome problem me thinks | 09:50 |
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| zul | hey BenC gotta a question for you | 09:55 |
| zul | #7948 is more of a user space problem rather than a kernel problem isnt it? | 09:55 |
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