[04:36] <caldwell_> in both breezy linux kernel-amd64 image packages, my amd64 system won't boot because the initrd img doesn't have libc.so.6 in the correct directory
[04:36] <caldwell_> is this a known issue?
[04:37] <caldwell_> it happens in both 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 breezy packages
[06:43] <fabbione> morning
[10:42] <doko> fabbione: can the amd64 kernels handle >= 4GB machines?
[10:42] <fabbione> doko: no
[10:43] <fabbione> none of our kernels are compiled with > 4GB support
[10:43] <doko> would it be penalty for machines with <4GB?
[10:47] <fabbione> yes
[10:47] <fabbione> it introduces an extra layer in the mm
[11:03] <doko> and with 4GB, you can only use 3,7GB or something like that. You don't have plans for >4GB support, don't you?
[11:03] <fabbione> dunno.. never used linux with more than 2GB
[11:05] <Mithrandir> well, with 4GB, it's faster to use the <4GB model than the >4GB model in most cases.
[11:06] <Mithrandir> since PAE is stinking shit.
[11:06] <doko> ok
[02:03] <zul> heylo
[02:03] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:03] <zul> hey fabbione good weekend?
[02:03] <fabbione> zul: yeaish.. you?
[02:04] <zul> yeah went to see the 40 year old virgin
[02:04] <zul> pretty funny
[02:04] <fabbione> what's that?
[02:04] <zul> its a movie that just opened up
[02:04] <fabbione> ah ok
[02:05] <zul> mainly bigoraphical with some people i use to work with :)
[02:07] <zul> thats a bad joke..
[02:08] <fabbione> was it a joke?
[02:08] <zul> meh...too early 
[02:08] <fabbione> zul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero <-
[02:08] <zul> sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:09] <fabbione> you live in montreal, don't you?
[02:09] <zul> no im about 2 hours away
[02:09] <zul> happy happy joy joy
[03:01] <fabbione> hey BenC_ 
[03:02] <zul> its not that cold in canada in november anyways
[03:02] <fabbione> zul: like if we need to care :)
[03:02] <fabbione> we will be so busy that we won't get a chance to go out anyway
[03:02] <zul> true
[03:05] <chmj> we have one sunday off 
[03:05] <fabbione> chmj: not distro
[03:05] <fabbione> only LP
[03:06] <fabbione> distro will be flying back on sunday
[03:06] <chmj> bah! 
[03:07] <chmj> heh, true 
[03:20] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it doesn't say that on the plan, it just says "day off" and I at least intend to take that in .ca.
[03:23] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i am sure you will have to pay for the hotel if you want to stay longer
[03:24] <chmj> fabbione: quick question 
[03:25] <fabbione> chmj: just ask...
[03:25] <chmj> fabbione: issin't $ getconf LFS_CFLAGS suppose to return "-D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" instead of "-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64"
[03:26] <fabbione> chmj: no idea
[03:26] <chmj> fabbione: becouse the second one still doesn't enable LFS support, first one does 
[03:27] <chmj> doko: ping ? 
[03:27] <doko> chmj: pong
[03:28] <chmj> doko: --------^ any idea 
[03:29] <doko> ENOCLUE
[03:30] <chmj> ok 
[03:35] <chmj> doko: I figured `getconf LFS_CFLAGS` should return ... 
[03:35] <chmj> #define _LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
[03:35] <chmj> #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
[03:48] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I won. :-)
[03:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: better you than me this time :)
[03:49] <Mithrandir> yup
[04:06] <fabbione> hey Ben
[04:06] <BenC> hey
[04:06] <fabbione> did you have a nice weekend?
[04:07] <BenC> normally I'd say yes, but no :)
[04:07] <fabbione> you need to get a better inet connection :)
[04:07] <BenC> my connection seems to be fine
[04:07] <BenC> my ssh sessions don't timeout
[04:07] <BenC> just IRC
[04:07] <fabbione> you keep pinging out
[04:07] <fabbione> ah ok
[04:08] <fabbione> BenC: can i reassing all the kernel bugs to you?
[04:08] <BenC> yeah, let me have it
[04:08] <fabbione> BenC: eheh i will do it tomorrow :)
[04:08] <fabbione> there is no rush ;)
[04:08] <fabbione> i remember there is a trick to do that in crapzilla...
[04:09] <BenC> fabbione: is there really a mac_hid module that is needed for ppc users to use apple mice?
[04:09] <BenC> I thought normal hid would work
[04:10] <fabbione> BenC: i guess you are talking about James bug, aren't you?
[04:10] <BenC> 13787
[04:10] <fabbione> that module is available on ppc32 only
[04:11] <fabbione> it's not even in the PPC64 Kconfig tree
[04:11] <BenC> what types of apple mice need that module?
[04:11] <fabbione> no clue.. i don't have a ppc at all
[04:11] <fabbione> anyway 13787 is sort of duplicate of 13826
[04:12] <BenC> it's not a driver at all
[04:13] <BenC> it's a 2+3 mouse button emulator for apple mice
[04:13] <BenC> well, not a driver in the sense that it is needed to use the mouse
[04:13] <fabbione> get ready for a 270 mails of spam from crapzilla
[04:14] <fabbione> should be done :)
[04:16] <fabbione> hmm nobody did close the bugs from 7.11???
[04:18] <ivoks> hi
[04:19] <zul> spaam spam spam
[04:19] <ivoks> :>
[04:20] <zul> hey...you changed some of my bugs as well..
[04:20] <ivoks> who?
[04:21] <fabbione> zul: i did it in a batch...
[04:21] <fabbione> sorry.. take them back and coordinate with BenC
[04:22] <zul> ok..
[04:24] <BenC> fabbione: I closed 13787, can 13826 be closed you think? I can't see how he enabled ADB in the PPC64 config anyway, since it seems it shouldn't be able to do so
[04:24] <BenC> maybe he used a PPC .config or something
[04:24] <fabbione> BenC: i am not sure how he managed to get there...
[04:24] <fabbione> but elmo definetely has CONFIG_PPC64
[04:25] <fabbione> no idea if he forced it there
[04:25] <BenC> oh, that's J Troup's bug?
[04:25] <BenC> should be closed by default then :)
[04:25] <fabbione> ahhaha
[04:25] <fabbione> PEBAK KTHXBYE
[04:25] <fabbione> :P
[04:27] <BenC> fabbione: weird, if I do "make menuconfig ARCH=ppc64" it let's me choose ADB and ADBHID options
[04:36] <fabbione> yeah.. but the mac stuff in that dir is not for ppc64 afaik
[04:36] <fabbione> it doesn't build at all
[04:36] <fabbione> nothing in that dir does
[04:37] <BenC> there are a couple of G5 things in there
[04:37] <BenC> SMU and         tristate "Support for thermal management on PowerMac G5"
[04:37] <fabbione> hmm we do build SMU
[04:37] <BenC> mostly it's ADB stuff
[04:37] <fabbione> it's mandatory for ppc64
[04:38] <BenC> yeah, IMO it should be "default y" and depend PPC_PMAC64
[04:38] <fabbione> possibly.. my ppc64 knowledge is quite limited to what benh tells me
[04:40] <BenC> looks like the email flood stopped
[04:41] <fabbione> yeah
[04:41] <fabbione> we need to check other pkgs/status too
[04:41] <fabbione> like PENDINGUPLOAD
[04:41] <fabbione> i don't think the search i did got them
[04:42] <fabbione> oh teh one assigned to kernel-package
[04:44] <fabbione> I HATE CRAPZILLA
[04:47] <fabbione> little more spam.. 10 mails.. no more
[04:50] <fabbione> hey jammcq 
[04:50] <jammcq> fabbione: just got the bugzilla email
[04:50] <jammcq> thanks for adding FUSE to the kernel
[04:50] <fabbione> oh that was done a long ago...
[04:50] <jammcq> will make LOTS of ltsp folks happy
[04:50] <fabbione> i noticed only now because the bug was against kernel-package
[04:50] <fabbione> whilst it should have been linux :)
[04:50] <fabbione> but it has been in the kernel for while
[04:50] <jammcq> oh
[04:50] <jammcq> cool
[04:51] <fabbione> i think it was done the kernel immediatly after you asked for it in irc..
[04:51] <jammcq> that's what I like... I ask for things, and they happen :)
[04:52] <fabbione> jammcq: i am glad it will be helpful :)
[04:52] <fabbione> jammcq: don't ask for money or sex.. i am running out myself ;)
[04:52] <jammcq> damn
[04:52] <BenC> jammcq: you work with ltsp?
[04:52] <fabbione> jammcq: of course fuse will cost you a beer ;:P
[04:52] <jammcq> ok, i'll think of something else
[04:52] <jammcq> BenC: yeah, it's my project
[04:52] <fabbione> BenC meet jammcq, jammcq meet BenC
[04:52] <jammcq> hello benc
[04:53] <fabbione> jammcq: BenC is the new kernel maintainer as of today .)
[04:53] <jammcq> ah, cool
[04:53] <BenC> jammcq: do you know if matt's changes to use bindfs overcame the problems with unionfs being broken in the latest kernel?
[04:53] <jammcq> fabbione: where are you going?
[04:53] <zul> im still a flunky
[04:53] <fabbione> BenC: yes. he doesn't use unionfs anymore.. hence my proposal to kill it from the kernel
[04:53] <fabbione> jammcq: back to userland...
[04:53] <BenC> fabbione: gladly
[04:53] <jammcq> BenC: hmm, dunno.  matt's methods are different from standard LTSP.  But, once the bugz are worked out, we'll prolly adopts the ubuntu way
[04:54] <jammcq> fabbione: Ubuntu-userland?
[04:56] <fabbione> jammcq: yup :)
[04:58] <jammcq> cool. I look forward to see all you guys at the next ubuntu mtg.  Looks like we'll have a bunch of ltsp guys there this time
[04:59] <fabbione> jammcq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero <-
[05:00] <desrt> woh.  score
[05:00] <desrt> that's a long conf.
[05:01] <desrt> BenC; blame fabbio :)
[05:01] <fabbione> i bleam GTK
[05:01] <fabbione> blame
[05:01] <desrt> you always blame GTK
[05:01] <desrt> you need something new
[05:02] <fabbione> i blame desrt and all the stupid lusers that buy broken hw
[05:02] <desrt> i did a build-dep for the restricted modules source the other day and it installed qt.... i think you should blame qt
[05:02] <desrt> *glare*
[05:02] <chmj> rather blame glibc  
[05:03] <desrt> mm.  glibc is a nice easy target
[05:03] <jammcq> fabbione: ah, nice to see a webpage for UBZ. I guess that means its official. Montreal is easy for us to get to.
[05:03] <fabbione> jammcq: it will be official soon
[05:03] <fabbione> don't rely on that info 100% yet
[05:04] <jammcq> k
[05:04] <fabbione> iirc the announcment will be done today or tomorrow...
[05:14] <zul> its not that cold in noevember
[05:14] <zul> just buy some long underwear
[05:14] <zul> but it is a culture shock coming from south africa to canada in winter
[05:15] <zul> been there...done that
[05:32] <jammcq> jbailey: hey, just the guy I need to talk to
[05:33] <jbailey> jammcq: I'm lagging a bit, I'm just on the phone.
[05:33] <jammcq> ok, when you get a chance, I've got some questions about the initramfs image for the ubuntu/ltsp kernels.  Like... is it using busybox?
[05:34] <jbailey> It is.
[05:34] <jbailey> Feel free to /msg me a series of questions and I'll get them as I have brain space in this call.
[05:34] <jammcq> k
[05:37] <zul> BenC: do you want to divy up the x86 bugs?
[05:37] <zul> hey jeff
[05:39] <BenC> zul: you can feel free to attack whatever bugs you feel you can
[05:39] <BenC> it'll be awhile before I can even go through them all and see which are still valid
[05:39] <zul> ok cool...
[07:19] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[07:20] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[07:20] <BenC> mjg59: hey, have you seen bug 13786 yet?
[07:21] <BenC> I'm inclined to assign it to you and usplash
[07:21] <mjg59> Yeah
[07:21] <mjg59> Uh
[07:21] <mjg59> It's not a usplash issue
[07:21] <mjg59> The framebuffer doesn't work in the installer, either
[07:21] <BenC> thing is, vga16fb is known not to work on all hardware, especially laptop/lcd situations
[07:21] <BenC> well, true
[07:22] <mjg59> The issue is that the installer doesn't communicate that to the installed system
[07:22] <BenC> problem is that he removed splash and added vga=normal to the grub conf, and it still loaded vga16fb
[07:22] <BenC> atleast that's what the reporter claims
[07:22] <mjg59> Yes, that's initramfs
[07:23] <mjg59> if you include modules, they get autoloaded
[07:23] <mjg59> I need to check if jeff's fixed that yet
[07:23] <jbailey> mjg59: Hmm?
[07:23] <jbailey> It depends on how you include them.
[07:23] <jbailey> Anything in modules.d gets auto loaded.
[07:23] <mjg59> jbailey: Ah. I don't think I've had a chance to look at it since you provided an alternative mechanism
[07:23] <jbailey> You can do things conditionally with hook scripts now at build time.
[07:23] <mjg59> Ok
[07:24] <jbailey> Take a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/
[07:24] <mjg59> So yeah, there's a multitude of bugs here:
[07:24] <BenC> so remove modules.d/usplash
[07:24] <mjg59> 1) vga16fb is broken on some hardware and probably shouldn't be
[07:24] <jbailey> The two interesting functions are "manual_add_modules" which adds the module to the initramfs but doesn't load it.
[07:24] <mjg59> 2) the installer doesn't usefully tell the system that the framebuffer is broken
[07:24] <jbailey> and force_load which adds the modules to the initramfs and does load it.
[07:24] <mjg59> 3) usplash is including modules the wrong way
[07:25] <BenC> how can the installer know that the framebuffer is broken?
[07:25] <BenC> if they disable it from the command line?
[07:25] <mjg59> Yes
[07:26] <BenC> what's the name of the installer package?
[07:27] <mjg59> debian-installer
[07:27] <BenC> how does "splash" get added to grub.conf?
[07:27] <jbailey> It seems to have been there for ages.
[07:27] <mjg59> It's put there by default
[07:27] <BenC> ok
[07:27] <mjg59> Either d-i or grub, I guess
[07:28] <jbailey> Yeah, it's there even in Hoary.
[07:30] <BenC> ok, filed a bug for debian-installer
[07:30] <BenC> even if it's a grub default, the installer should be responsible for overriding it, IMO
[07:31] <BenC> mjg59: you have a bug for the module loading problem?
[07:31] <BenC> in usplash
[07:34] <mjg59> BenC: Not filed
[07:34] <BenC> want me to file one?
[07:35] <mjg59> Plesae
[07:39] <BenC> filed as 13980
[09:50] <zul> #7948 is more of a alsa/gnome problem me thinks
[09:55] <zul> hey BenC gotta a question for you
[09:55] <zul> #7948 is more of a user space problem rather than a kernel problem isnt it?