[12:00] <WodanTJ> yaarr
[12:00] <netstar> :)
[12:00] <pauldaoust> apokryphos: to be so lucky
[12:00] <Velox> Yarr!
[12:00] <apokryphos> What can I say 8)
[12:00] <WodanTJ> no me want pie!
[12:01] <vitriol> !pie
[12:01] <ubotu> I don't know, vitriol
[12:01] <vitriol> ubotu: pie is position independant executables
[12:01] <ubotu> okay, vitriol
[12:01] <spola> is there anyway i can use gnome AND juk (kde's supreme jukebox, much much much better then rythmbox)? the problem i ran into is juk uses arts ... and i can't run arts and esd at the same time ...
[12:01] <benplaut> pie is something good to eat :P
[12:01] <vitriol> !pie
[12:01] <ubotu> vitriol: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:01] <WodanTJ> la tarte!
[12:01] <Seveas> vitriol, don't play with the bot
[12:01] <WodanTJ> paj!
[12:02] <vitriol> Seveas: sorry :)
[12:02] <Fingolfinn> greets
[12:02] <WodanTJ> mmm pie
[12:02] <Seveas> WodanTJ, ...
[12:02] <butcherbird> any hope of getting this winmodem to work on my toshiba laptop?
[12:02] <Fingolfinn> allo allo people
[12:02] <WodanTJ> Seveas: Yes mr I will behave
[12:02] <benplaut> allo Fingolfinn
[12:02] <dalamar> wow just tried booting 2.6.11-1-k7 and my X wouldn't load because the nvidia drivers broke, I'm guessing its because the drivers are for the 2.6.10 kernel, how do I fix this?
[12:02] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I have no idea why, but everything is working fine now, and I haven't even installed the new modules.
[12:02] <Seveas> dalamar, 2.6.11 packages are broken - do not use
[12:02] <pauldaoust> crimsun: (as a matter of fact, it's still only just compiling)
[12:03] <vitriol> butcherbird: i believe you can find out by going to winmodems.org and look at the list of supported winmodems
[12:03] <dalamar> Seveas, so the kernel is not to be used at all?
[12:03] <vitriol> butcherbird: some are supported, others are not
[12:03] <Fingolfinn> how's it goin benplaut?
[12:03] <Seveas> dalamar, indeed
[12:03] <pauldaoust> vitriol: isn't that linmodems.org?
[12:03] <vitriol> errr right
[12:03] <vitriol> sorry :)
[12:03] <pauldaoust> ^__^
[12:03] <vitriol> butcherbird: did you get that? linmodems.org
[12:03] <Seveas> it was a test builf that should never have entered the archives
[12:03] <butcherbird> vitriol: yep thanks
[12:04] <vitriol> Seveas: the 2.6.11 kernel works for me. i can't use 2.6.10...unfixable dma problems
[12:04] <dalamar> Seveas, so I can just use synaptic to remove it then right? also, will I benefit from a 2.6.10 k7 release then, since the default kernel isn't amd optomized?
[12:04] <vitriol> should probably file a bug report over it....
[12:04] <Seveas> dalamar, depends
[12:04] <Seveas> it's always a good idea to install an optimized kernel though
[12:04] <dalamar> okay I will check that out then thanks
[12:04] <ero-sennin> how do i install jre?
[12:04] <sew3521> if i send someone my logfile for configuring bmp could they tell me what went wrong?
[12:04] <codecaine> msg NickServ IDENTIFY codecaine
[12:05] <DonL> Seveas, by the way, on a related note, I did manage to get rid of the extra kernel today, thanks
[12:05] <vitriol> the bad thing about using 2.6.11 is there is no headers package for it :(
[12:05] <DonL> Seveas, and saved 59 megs
[12:06] <Fingolfinn> How much of a learning curve would you say is involved in becoming proficient with linux, from having limited experience using terminal in os x?
[12:06] <sew3521> ditto^
[12:06] <Seveas> Fingolfinn, the learning curve is not too steep in Ubuntu
[12:06] <pauldaoust> Fingolfin: if you've used at least some terminal in OS X, the learning curve is smaller
[12:06] <Seveas> indeed
[12:06] <Fingolfinn> wicked
[12:07] <pauldaoust> Fingolfin: just remember the Tab key (i.e., tab-completion) is your best friend; it speeds things up markedly because you aren't spending time typing in filenames.
[12:07] <Fingolfinn> its necessary to learn scripting though?
[12:07] <Seveas> no
[12:07] <spola> after i install kde, i have to select it in GDM right?
[12:07] <pauldaoust> Fingolfin: I haven't yet, and I cert'ly know my way around the shell.
[12:07] <apokryphos> spola: or KDM, yes
[12:07] <pauldaoust> Fingolfinn: (although it would be a huge advantage)
[12:07] <Fingolfinn> ha
[12:07] <Seveas> scripting is never neccessary as an end user, it might be handy at times but the average user won't need it
[12:07] <dalamar> right now grub is booting the 2.6.11 kernel, I've removed it now, will grub know this or will I have to reconfigure grub? (so I don't have to hit 'e' to run 2.6.10"
[12:08] <ero-sennin> anyone know why i can't find sun-j2re1.5 on synaptic?
[12:08] <Fingolfinn> for diagnosis of machines in say, a google server farm, one would be using scripts, right?
[12:08] <pauldaoust> ero-sennin: it's in a different repository. search for java on wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:08] <Seveas> dalamar, the ubuntu kernel packages update the grub config
[12:08] <kemik> ero-sennin:  its in extras
[12:08] <geneo91> hehe breezy bager snake
[12:08] <pauldaoust> !tell ero-sennin about RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <kemik> !extras
[12:08] <ubotu> extras is probably For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:08] <Seveas> unless you messed that config up yourself :)
[12:08] <dalamar> Seveas, okay thanks
[12:08] <dalamar> no didnt touch it manually
[12:08] <kemik> damnit.. doom3 keeps being unstable
[12:09] <kemik> hangs when loading savedgames :(
[12:09] <pauldaoust> ero-sennin: that was totally the wrong link I told ubotu to send you, sorry :)
[12:10] <Hieronymus> Can anyone help me with the Ubuntu wiki? I want to 'sign' a comment (like "-- myname"). Is there an easy way of doing this? (In wikipedia you can use ~~~)
[12:10] <muffin_> where can i do wine sound configuration?
[12:10] <K\O\D\S> hello all
[12:10] <EasterSunshine> hey does anyone know where i can find some reading on what makes a fully-qualified domain name?
[12:10] <Fingolfinn> I have one hesitation before installing ubuntu... my network's seems to be a bit of an enigma for non-mac machines
[12:10] <spola> apokryphos, thx mate
[12:10] <Fingolfinn> i mean non mac operating systems
[12:11] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: what exactly is a fully-qualified domain name? How would it differ from just having a domain name?
[12:11] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: are you talking about something fancy, or are you just looking for the conanoical definition of a fully-qualified domain name?
[12:11] <pauldaoust> *canonical, not conanoical ^_^
[12:11] <netstar> Fingolfinn, I know that feeling.  OSX 10.3.x IS buggy.
[12:11] <EasterSunshine> apokryphos: that is the question i am seaching for the answer to
[12:11] <muffin_> Fingolfinn: there's a lot of enigmas for non mac machines :)
[12:11] <netstar> network kept going down on 10.3.x for me.
[12:11] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: I imagine you're talking about validating your html or something, right?
[12:11] <spola> wow kde installed fast
[12:11] <Fingolfinn> there's the wireless access point, which is more or less delivering the same range of IP addresses, as the linksys router which plugs into it
[12:11] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, an fqdn is a valid hostname
[12:11] <dalamar> okay, going to try the k7 2.6.10 then, brb
[12:12] <EasterSunshine> pauldaoust: i need to know fully qualified domain name for writing conf files for postfix
[12:12] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: for domain names all you can do is enter your registrar details, that's pretty much it.
[12:12] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, like ubuntu.com or irc.freenode.net
[12:12] <Fingolfinn> the internet connection being hooked through the linksys router
[12:12] <spola> brb, trying kde :-)
[12:12] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: ah, I gotcha. that would be... ummmmmmm...
[12:12] <codecaine> easter, if your mail servers name is "mail" and you are running email on yourdomain.com then put mail.yourdomain.com
[12:12] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, that should be a domain name that points to your server
[12:12] <codecaine> and put mail.yourdomain.com in your resolv.conf
[12:12] <Fingolfinn> oh well, no way to tell if there's going to be a problem without struggling through it first
[12:13] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: pm? i have tons of questions about that
[12:13] <codecaine> easter, sure
[12:16] <pauldaoust> !tell pauldaoust about alsa-source
[12:17] <Seveas> pauldaoust, you can also use '!tell me about alsa-aource' or '/msg ubotu alsa-source'
[12:17] <dalamar> yikes, the nvidia drivers break even trying to run 2.6.10-5-k7, are there specific nvidia drivers needed for the k7 version of the kernel??
[12:17] <pauldaoust> Seveas: oh, I never thought about pm'ing the bot, thanks!
[12:17] <GregAsche> is there a tool out there to rip only the subtitles off a movie to .srt format?
[12:17] <pauldaoust> !tell me about dmix
[12:18] <kemik> GregAsche:  you mean if the subs are "hardcoded" in the movie ?
[12:18] <mjr> GregAsche, that's a nontrivial task, since it requires optical character recognition. I haven't seen any good linux programs for it.
[12:18] <GregAsche> no
[12:18] <Angrod> hm, is there a apt-get way to install skype?
[12:18] <GregAsche> like, rip the subtitles from a dvd
[12:18] <kemik> GregAsche:  ah.. well check out doom9.org .. got alot on ripping & encoding
[12:18] <GregAsche> i have the movie ripped, but I couldn't get the program to rip the subtitles
[12:19] <Seveas> GregAsche, that sounds a bit like illegal activities, for which we don't provide support
[12:19] <mjr> GregAsche, my answer was for DVDs
[12:19] <GregAsche> so I just want to see if there is something seperate
[12:19] <GregAsche> Seveas: ripping a DVD you own is fair use
[12:19] <drasko> hi all. How to check what are existing users on my system
[12:19] <Seveas> GregAsche, it's a gray area :)
[12:19] <kemik> isit ?
[12:19] <Seveas> drasko, logged in users or existing accounts?
[12:19] <mjr> GregAsche, well, in some parts of the world. Some, like the US, have the DMCA which prohibits it for CSS'd DVDs
[12:19] <glick> is anyone good at writting term papers
[12:20] <glick> ill pay someon 25 bucks to write a 5 page paper for me
[12:20] <dalamar> are there specific nvidia drivers needed for the k7 version of the kernel??
[12:20] <glick> thats 5 bucks a page
[12:20] <Quest-Master> glick: for what?
[12:20] <Seveas> dalamar, have the linux-k7 package installed
[12:20] <Seveas> glick, quit the off-topic talking...
[12:20] <glick> Quest-Master, about economical inequality in america
[12:20] <glick> sorry Seveas
[12:20] <geneo91> glick:  what topic
[12:21] <Quest-Master> glick: what grade are you in? or is it college?
[12:21] <glick> college\
[12:21] <Seveas> Quest-Master, geneo91 ....
[12:21] <mrquick> ugh, this sucks
[12:21] <Quest-Master> sorry Seveas.
[12:22] <dalamar> Seveas, installing that should clear up the error and make use of the nvidia drivers that are there?
[12:22] <NoHope> hello all
[12:22] <toebal> join /linuxforen.de
[12:22] <glick> i dont get what the big deal is, let people talk about what they want to talk, and then when someone has an ubuntu related question the topic will naturally switch back to ubuntu
[12:22] <Seveas> dalamar, that makes sure your linux-restricted-modules and linux-image are matching
[12:22] <glick> cheesus!
[12:23] <Duvel> !botsnack
[12:23] <dalamar> Seveas, so if I'm getting no module found for NVIDIA errors with that kernel this should fix it right?
[12:23] <ubotu> :)
[12:23] <mrquick> all, I have an issue, I've got a realtek 8139C network card that only works if I set acpi=off in my grub.conf, however when I do, I can't use my usb port anymore, what can I do?
[12:23] <netstar> cry?
[12:23] <mrquick> I've tried that, it didn't help
[12:23] <Seveas> get another network card
[12:23] <NoHope> hein, do you know how to install .deb packages in Ubuntu?
[12:23] <glick> mrquick, i guess you have to decide which is more important to you
[12:23] <netstar> try acpi=nopci instead
[12:24] <mrquick> thanks netstar, will try it
[12:24] <glick> has anyone tried vista beta?
[12:24] <Seveas> NoHope, dpkg -i
[12:24] <Seveas> glick, for the last time, stop the off-topic talking
[12:24] <Fingolfinn> damn, i have 11 system's i can startup with
[12:25] <Fingolfinn> many identical
[12:25] <Fingolfinn> you are the weakest link, goodbye!
[12:25] <bdevel> Hello World! What directory do I put a script if I want it to run when the computer starts up?
[12:25] <BTJustice> Has anyone tried Cedega CVS (http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45)?  Does it really work?
[12:25] <Seveas> bdevel, /etc/init.d
[12:26] <Seveas> bdevel, and link it from /etc/rcS.d
[12:26] <NoHope> Seveas, thx.
[12:26] <Seveas> BTJustice, sometimes it does, sometimes not
[12:26] <BTJustice> Seveas: The commercial version is better?
[12:26] <netstar> has anyone else noticed that ripping cd's suck with linux in general?
[12:26] <Seveas> BTJustice, generally yes
[12:26] <mjr> netstar, no
[12:26] <Seveas> netstar, not really :)
[12:27] <drasko> Seveas, existing accounts
[12:27] <ero-sennin> hey Seveas those sources, all of them work but the planet mirror one
[12:27] <ero-sennin> it gave me lots of erros
[12:27] <Seveas> drasko, less /etc/passwd
[12:27] <ero-sennin> errors
[12:27] <netstar> Seveas how long does it take you to rip a cd?
[12:27] <dalamar> Seveas, the linux-k7 package did the trick, thanks ;)
[12:27] <Seveas> ero-sennin, then disable it temporarily -- the hoasry-extras servers are sometimes flaky
[12:27] <dalamar> my kernels optimized, woo!
[12:27] <Seveas> netstar, ig it takes long -> enable DMA
[12:27] <Seveas> !tell netstar about dma
[12:27] <pauldaoust> !tell me about dmix
[12:28] <pauldaoust> !tell me about java
[12:28] <netstar> Seveas, you mean use hdparm on the device?
[12:28] <Seveas> netstar, yup, or set it permanently in hdparm.conf
[12:28] <Fingolfinn> what disk format does ubuntu require?
[12:29] <dalamar> my crappy memorex burner must have bad drivers for linux, it does not like dma ;/
[12:29] <Seveas> linux can be installed on ext3/reiser/xfs. ext3 is recommended
[12:29] <Fingolfinn> okayz
[12:29] <NoHope> why not reiserfs?
[12:29] <reiki> anyone know where Evolution configuration files would be? I want to see if I can decipher what it's doing when it runs the Junk mail filter... thanks
[12:29] <NoHope> is ext3 more secure?
[12:29] <drasko> Seveas, tnx
[12:29] <Seveas> reiser has a history of not being able to survive power cuts and easily losing data
[12:30] <mjr> NoHope, more mature, safer
[12:30] <Fingolfinn> so no mac OS extended ^.^
[12:30] <glick> i have never lost data with reiserfs
[12:30] <NoHope> yes, it's more mature, it's true ;)
[12:30] <glick> reiser leaves ext3 in the dust in terms of speed
[12:30] <Seveas> true
[12:30] <pauldaoust> !hoary-extras
[12:30] <ubotu> hmm... hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:30] <Seveas> but I prefer data safety over speed
[12:30] <Fingolfinn> what to do what to do what to do
[12:30] <glick> Seveas, like i said i lost power once or twice and reiser never let me down
[12:30] <pauldaoust> !thanks, just checking to see you had info on that... was gonna add it if you didn't
[12:30] <netstar> Seveas, do I need to reboot now I enabled dma in the config?
[12:31] <murtun> Hey all
[12:31] <Seveas> netstar, no, just use hdparm to enable it now
[12:31] <Fingolfinn> my main hardrive has 69,260 folders, wowwy
[12:32] <murtun> lol
[12:32] <murtun> pr0n :P
[12:32] <Fingolfinn> no this is 40gb hardrive
[12:32] <Fingolfinn> my external's got all my porn
[12:32] <Fingolfinn> ^.^
[12:32] <murtun> :P
[12:32] <netstar> Seveas use hdparm in what way?
[12:32] <ankan_> Anybody have tried to copy the Gnuplot figures onto word processor...I see there is no copy to clipboard option on Gnuplot
[12:33] <Fingolfinn> 330,871 files wooo
[12:33] <Seveas> netstar, hdparm -d1 /dev/your_drive
[12:33] <MrPockets> hey, was there like a massave net split on efnet?
[12:33] <murtun> Is it just me or does Ubuntu have alot of Package dependencie problems?
[12:33] <djenner> Completely muddled: Anyone able to walk me through installing Firefox 1.0.6. I have the package but...
[12:33] <ankan_> Anybody have tried to copy the Gnuplot figures onto word processor...I see there is no copy to clipboard option on Gnuplot
[12:33] <Nap> ankan_: you still can make a screenshot...
[12:33] <ankan_> yea
[12:34] <ankan_> but is there any other option?
[12:34] <Seveas> ankan_, gnuplot can write to png
[12:34] <ankan_> i tried to save the figure as .png
[12:34] <Fingolfinn> shitzorz, I have my hardrive partitioned into 3 sections, will i have to repartition the whole thing to get the right disk format?
[12:34] <ankan_> but the format was al messed up when I tried to open it
[12:35] <Seveas> ankan_, read the gnuplot docs
[12:36] <netstar> Seveas, still ripping at 1.2x
[12:36] <ankan_> i have found one thing from the manual - there is a way of saving it to word processor, but for that u have to set the terminal to appropriate terminal type
[12:36] <ankan_> and then plot it
[12:36] <ankan_> but i dont know whts the appropriate terminal
[12:36] <dalamar> lol yeah turning dma on for my cdrom locks my whole system ;p
[12:36] <ankan_> for openoffice
[12:36] <Fingolfinn> fux shizzle
[12:37] <Fingolfinn> I'm going in
[12:37] <Seveas> ankan_, I forgot it, hang on
[12:37] <dalamar> i've heard somewhere that a hdd and cdrom/burner on the same ide channel can't have dma on for both, is there any truth to this or b.s.?
[12:38] <mjr> dalamar, BS
[12:38] <dalamar> k thought so, the drivers my burner are using must be crap or somthing
[12:38] <murtun> Hey all, i'm having a really bad time with ubuntu
[12:38] <murtun> I'm trying to install Kismet
[12:38] <Fingolfinn> try buying it flowers
[12:39] <murtun> but it is asking me for "libcurses!
[12:39] <mjr> murtun, I've heard rumors though of optical drives that don't share the cable gladly...
[12:39] <exflux69> y0 how to i allow users to connect to my machine in ubuntu?
[12:39] <murtun> huh mjr ?
[12:39] <rosa> hi, how do i find my ip address in the command line
[12:40] <dalamar> wrong person, i understand ;)
[12:40] <rosa> under what command
[12:40] <priest> rosa::: ifconfig
[12:40] <rosa> oh ok
[12:40] <Seveas> ankan_, still here?
[12:40] <rosa> thanx
[12:40] <murtun> rosa: lynx www.whatismyip.com
[12:40] <exflux69> httpd.config
[12:40] <murtun> :D
[12:40] <mjr> murtun, some drives, I hear, might not work properly in all respects when sharing the IDE cable, but I don't have any solid info on that. As said, a rumor.
[12:40] <ankan_> yea
[12:40] <murtun> Ah, thanks for that man :)
[12:40] <Seveas> ankan_, see private message
[12:40] <ankan_> i have no clue how to use the terminal type
[12:41] <Fingolfinn> I have no IDE what i'm doing
[12:42] <EasterSunshine> rosa: GET www.whatismyip.com|grep Your
[12:42] <murtun> Whats up Fingolfinn
[12:42] <Fingolfinn> items to delete: 27,000
[12:42] <murtun> ?
[12:42] <kemik> Fingolfinn:  that cant be good
[12:42] <Fingolfinn> i was making a very bad joke
[12:43] <EasterSunshine> kemik: you remind me of keramik
[12:43] <Fingolfinn> i'm probably gonna be alright
[12:43] <Fingolfinn> cause i'm smrt
[12:43] <raven3x7> how do i list all running processes?
[12:43] <murtun> wHy does Ubuntu have NOOO libs??
[12:44] <murtun> ps aux :)
[12:44] <Seveas> murtun, nonsense
[12:44] <Seveas> raven3x7, ps aux
[12:44] <Seveas> or ps f -e if you like trees
[12:44] <murtun> Seveas, Indeed!
[12:44] <Fingolfinn> ps aux yay
[12:44] <Fingolfinn> lol
[12:44] <murtun> ps aux | grep <processname> :P
[12:45] <Fingolfinn> sudo renice -10 1322
[12:45] <Fingolfinn> i'm a d ork
[12:46] <Fingolfinn> i need to learn how to use grep better
[12:46] <Fingolfinn> i'm tryin to get a job at googlezorz
[12:46] <Seveas> murtun, pgrep <processname>
[12:46] <ero-sennin> hey Seveas, you know why i get this error:  sudo PATH=$PATH:/usr    command not found
[12:46] <EasterSunshine> if ps aux is all processes...what is ps -A
[12:47] <Fingolfinn> Copying 17,833 item's to "Ben's Bitch Ass Mofo"
[12:47] <murtun> because ur using ubuntu
[12:47] <Seveas> ero-sennin, because it is not a command...
[12:47] <priest> EasterSunshine::: also all processes.
[12:47] <EasterSunshine> priest: oh just a different formatting
[12:47] <mjr> ero-sennin, sudo env ....
[12:47] <ero-sennin> im trying to install flash via the restrictred format page
[12:48] <Angrod> any one know of the program "Point 2 Play"? and where i can download it?
[12:48] <ero-sennin> and one of the instructions was to type that
[12:48] <ero-sennin> and thats what error i got
[12:48] <wjesusaxl> guys.. i'm here... I have a little problem with my repository... I got it to work in one computer.. I can install whatever I want.. but I can't get the same result with the same repository in this computer... it's exactly the same sources.list file
[12:48] <ero-sennin> nally add /usr to the path variable so that the player itself will work, not just the plugin.
[12:48] <ero-sennin> $ sudo PATH=$PATH:/usr
[12:48] <ero-sennin> finally*
[12:48] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: you do an apt-get update ?
[12:48] <Fingolfinn> coool! what's a repository?
[12:48] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell Fingolfinn about repos
[12:48] <ero-sennin> !tell Fingolfinn repos
[12:48] <Fingolfinn> COOL
[12:49] <wjesusaxl> i I did that alredy
[12:49] <wjesusaxl> already
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> wacka wacka
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> thanks
[12:49] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: are you playing around or something?
[12:49] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: yea, it is really annoying
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> No I'm just a bit autistic
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> I will cease
[12:49] <EasterSunshine> ero-sennin: doesn't your nick mean perverted outcast in japanese?
[12:50] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: you're going to have to explain "same results"
[12:50] <priest> Fingolfinn::: No drugs involved?
[12:50] <Fingolfinn> no sir
[12:50] <mjr> EasterSunshine, it's from the Naruto anime :)
[12:50] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  how much hentai have you consumed? =)
[12:50] <Angrod> noen med "Wine skills" som kan hjelpe meg litt?
[12:50] <wjesusaxl> aeruder: same results... I can't install the same programs
[12:50] <ero-sennin> actually EasterSunshine it means perverted toad
[12:51] <Seveas> Angrod, please stick to english in here or join a localized channel
[12:51] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: and diff sources.list1 sources.list2 prints out nothing?
[12:51] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  keramik ?
[12:51] <Seveas> wjesusaxl, do apt-get update on both machines
[12:51] <Angrod> im sorry :/ it was a amsg. didnt think i would say it on this net :(
[12:51] <Fingolfinn> hey, do any of ya know what a hard line is and what a soft line is?
[12:51] <EasterSunshine> kemik: its like a skin for kde or something
[12:51] <Angrod> so so sorry :(
[12:51] <aeruder> Angrod: it's alright ;)
[12:51] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  oo ic
[12:51] <Seveas> Fingolfinn, please stop annoying the channel...
[12:51] <ero-sennin> parle vous francias?
[12:51] <ero-sennin> jk jk
[12:52] <Fingolfinn> that was an honest question, I'll just google it though, sorry
[12:52] <aeruder> Seveas: amazing how i joined the channel about 1.5 minutes ago and was annoyed by him within 30 seconds
[12:52] <kemik> je ne pas parle franzaise ;)
[12:53] <pauldaoust> okay, totally off-the-wall question: is there any utility in Ubuntu that may be changing my MAC address every time I turn my machine on?
[12:53] <pauldaoust> yes, you read right: changing my MAC address
[12:54] <priest> pauldaoust::: ifconfig
[12:54] <pauldaoust> but why would it do that if I don't tell it to though?
[12:54] <kemik> pauldaoust:  it seems unlikely it would
[12:54] <priest> it isn't
[12:54] <pauldaoust> that's what I thought
[12:54] <Seveas> pauldaoust, ifconfig CAN change it, but should not do it
[12:54] <aeruder> computers don't often do things you don't tell them to do ;)
[12:54] <pauldaoust> wonder if my card is on the fritz
[12:54] <kemik> maybe its HAL ?
[12:54] <pauldaoust> aeruder: how long have you been using computers? ^__^
[12:55] <aeruder> pauldaoust: heh, good point
[12:55] <pauldaoust> kemik: as in, HAL9000?
[12:55] <pauldaoust> kemik: it wouldn't surprise me
[12:55] <pauldaoust> seems like my machine has a life of its own
[12:55] <kemik> pauldaoust:  yes
[12:55] <kemik> most likely
[12:55] <pauldaoust> well, just thought I'd ask before buying a new network card. I guess my computer really IS going crazy
[12:55] <pauldaoust> thanks guys!
[12:55] <kemik> quick, unplug it or you'll suffer some terrible fate
[12:55] <aeruder> pauldaoust: you can use ifconfig to force teh ethernet address
[12:56] <geneo91> haunted pc
[12:56] <kemik> just buy a cheapo $13 NIC from realtek
[12:57] <mhz> hey
[12:57] <mhz> anyone here using laptop?
[12:57] <dalamar> cheap and good doesnt work, I just figured out my 7 dollar keyboard is possesed in linux and the p.o.s. one it was supposed to replace is working ;p
[12:57] <Seveas> mhz, yes
[12:57] <mhz> Seveas: hey
[12:57] <kemik> dalamar:  my m$-mouse just broke down after less than 3months.... and it wasnt cheap
[12:58] <mhz> how do you set your sensitive touchpad off?
[12:58] <kemik> all my cheap hardware still works... :)
[12:58] <mhz> Seveas: how do you set your sensitive touchpad off?
[12:58] <Seveas> mhz, I don;t my touchpad works as it should :)
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> my logitech mouse wasn't cheap
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> and it hasn't broken.
[12:58] <Seveas> but you can do it in xorg.conf
[12:58] <mhz> hmm, which Desktop?
[12:58] <Seveas> gnome
[12:58] <dalamar> kemik, well there will always be exceptions but cheap = broke imo
[12:58] <mhz> Seveas: I did try via SynapticsHowTO
[12:58] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  im using a logitech now.. but it's not a very ergonomic mouse so i gotta buy a new one..
[12:59] <Fingolfinn> I'd like to get the Mighty Mouse, mouse, from Apple
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: I have an MX 510, I recommend that or the MX518
[12:59] <kemik> dalamar:  my da*n philips widescreen (which wasnt cheap either) broke last year ... :)
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> Fingolfinn: for $texas
[12:59] <pauldaoust> FECK!
[12:59] <dalamar> ive had my logitech mouse for like 4-5 years and works great still, all blue and ergo and lighted
[12:59] <pauldaoust> still having sound problems.
[12:59] <kemik> i'd rather buy 2-3 cheap devices than one "quality" ... ;)
[12:59] <pauldaoust> (because I know you all care deeply ^_^)
[12:59] <aeruder> pauldaoust: what sound card?
[01:00] <cyphase> wow..
[01:00] <cyphase> beagle searchs svg images for text..
[01:00] <dmoyne> hello ! ; has anybody installed Breezy for test ?
[01:00] <aeruder> dalamar: i have the same one
[01:00] <cyphase> me :)
[01:00] <Fingolfinn> not sure i understood what you were trying to say to me hrdwrbob
[01:00] <aeruder> dmoyne: yes, i am running breezy upgrade from hoary
[01:00] <pauldaoust> aeruder: onboard VT82C686
[01:00] <dalamar> aeruder, that mouse rocks ;)
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> Fingolfinn: they are expensive
[01:00] <aeruder> which wasn't pretty, and still has lots of b0rkennesses
[01:00] <cyphase> dmoyne, i have it installed on a test machine
[01:00] <dmoyne> no probem ?
[01:00] <Fingolfinn> very true
[01:00] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  thinking of a MX510 but cordless
[01:00] <cyphase> a few
[01:00] <aeruder> dalamar: yes it does, i have -=never=- had a problem, and it has lasted me years and years
[01:00] <pauldaoust> aeruder: (snd_via82xx)
[01:01] <aeruder> pauldaoust: i think i have the same one
[01:01] <dalamar> aeruder, same here, regardless of OS or anything I throw at it really
[01:01] <aeruder> well, i don't use it
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: meh, cords don't bother me, batteries do
[01:01] <pauldaoust> aeruder: really?
[01:01] <aeruder> i have a live! but i have gotten it to work at one time
[01:01] <pauldaoust> aeruder: oh....
[01:01] <dmoyne> last time I installed Xorg was buggy !
[01:01] <aeruder> dmoyne: you need a new config most likely
[01:01] <aeruder> Driver "keyboard" => Driver "kbd"
[01:01] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  mmh, i gotta see how long it takes beforethem batteries need re-charging
[01:01] <pauldaoust> aeruder: that's what I eventually did, but I'm deploying Ubuntu on a bunch of school computers, and they can't afford to buy new SB Live cards :(
[01:01] <dmoyne> what do you mean !
[01:01] <aeruder> your font lines need to go from /usr/lib/X11 to /usr/share/X11
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: yea, i'm surprised you are having problems
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: sure they aren't muted?
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: depends on usage, but varying from a few weeks to a few months
[01:02] <pauldaoust> aeruder: the weird thing is that the startup sound (and any subsequent MP3s) sound like graveyard theme music...
[01:02] <Fingolfinn> i think i'm all set to install ubuntu
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: er, weird
[01:02] <pauldaoust> aeruder: then I go to a website that has a Flash file with audio, and after visiting that site, sounds are fine.
[01:02] <fdorrington> does anyone know how to disable gnome keyring?
[01:02] <Fingolfinn> bye for now
[01:02] <ero-sennin> what command in console is to delete a file?
[01:02] <aeruder> i think there was OSS drivers for the via too
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: uh
[01:02] <ero-sennin> del?
[01:02] <dalamar> ero-sennin, rm
[01:02] <ero-sennin> okay
[01:02] <ero-sennin> thanks
[01:02] <pauldaoust> aeruder: must be something to do with OSS
[01:02] <Fingolfinn> you all have been tremendously helpful, thank you
[01:02] <dmoyne>  aeruder : so you are on a test Breezy now !
[01:03] <JK> iam trying to install and i sellect the partition and it says root files missing ...help
[01:03] <wjesusaxl> why do I get those problems when I try to install programs
[01:03] <aeruder> pauldaoust: bizarre, could be a kbps or playback thing that flash sets and the default is just wrong
[01:03] <pauldaoust> aeruder: mebbe
[01:03] <aeruder> dmoyne: yes, i am talking to you from talksoup on a breezy machine
[01:03] <aeruder> dmoyne: and i wouldn't recommend the upgrade at this time
[01:03] <aeruder> there's still a lot of transitions going on
[01:03] <dmoyne> ah why !
[01:03] <wjesusaxl> if the repository (sources.list) is the same on both computers.. why can't I install programs on the other?
[01:04] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: do a diff sources.list1 sources.list2
[01:04] <pauldaoust> aeruder: yeah, the weird thing is that the startup sound plays nice for one second, then slows down to about a quarter of its speed. I wonder if there's some sort of setitng that gnome-session loads... somewhere...
[01:04] <aeruder> if you truly did a apt-get update on both of them
[01:04] <aeruder> then there shouldn't be a difference
[01:04] <aeruder> pauldaoust: ah, perhaps it is esd
[01:04] <pauldaoust> unfortunately, using osssink doesn't rectify the problem.
[01:04] <martinald> hi
[01:04] <aeruder> pauldaoust: look at the esd settings in gnome perhaps
[01:04] <martinald> is it possible to do an FTP install of breezy?
[01:04] <Fingolfinn> Ohmer, one last question, would any of you have an idea of how to switch the keyboard layout in ubuntu from QWERTY to dvorak?
[01:05] <pauldaoust> aeruder: thanks for the tip!
[01:05] <dmoyne>  aeruder : thanks I may try it but in parallel to my current Hoary !
[01:05] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: it is quite simple in X
[01:05] <Fingolfinn> what's the procedure?
[01:05] <Fingolfinn> or is it easy as in easy to figure out?
[01:05] <wjesusaxl> aeruder: What to do that for? what do I have to change?
[01:05] <pauldaoust> aeruder: any suggestions on disabling esound entierly?
[01:05] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: one sec
[01:05] <wjesusaxl> i'll be right back
[01:05] <aeruder> pauldaoust: i'm not very familiar with gnome
[01:05] <aeruder> somewhere in the control panel i'd assume
[01:05] <pauldaoust> aeruder: no problem
[01:06] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: http://local.aeruder.net/dvorak.txt
[01:06] <Fingolfinn> gratzi
[01:06] <fdorrington> if no one knows how to disable gnome keyring. does anyone know how to disable the microphone from going through the speaker but still be able to record?
[01:06] <bz0b> hey ya'll
[01:06] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: qwerty.txt too
[01:07] <aeruder> xmodmap dvorak.txt <= convert qwerty to dvorak
[01:07] <tristanmike> So, how do you mount a seperate drive?
[01:07] <Fingolfinn> okay
[01:07] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: xmodmap qwerty.txt <= convert back to qwerty
[01:07] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: and make sure you don't run dvorak.txt twice before going back to qwerty
[01:07] <Fingolfinn> alright so these are files i download
[01:07] <aeruder> it gets ugly ;)
[01:07] <Fingolfinn> how ugly?
[01:08] <Fingolfinn> i'd imagine pretty ugly anyways
[01:08] <Fingolfinn> k thanks
[01:08] <aeruder> well, the xmodmap basically changes "a" to something else
[01:08] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: and so on
[01:08] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: you run it twice, you get a whole crazy layout
[01:08] <aeruder> :)
[01:08] <Fingolfinn> so you use dvorak?
[01:09] <dalamar> you can play 'find the key' then, good times ;)
[01:09] <aeruder> i used to
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> i love it
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> :D
[01:09] <aeruder> it is quite nice, but difficult when you are a student and have to use others computers all the time
[01:09] <aeruder> not to mention the fact that i work on computers for a living
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> i know exactly what you mean
[01:10] <Fingolfinn> i've gotten extreme amounts of flak for changing the keyboard layout and forgetting to change it back
[01:10] <Fingolfinn> almost got fired too
[01:10] <nightmaster> hello
[01:10] <Fingolfinn> but i continue to use it, maybe i'm just stubborn
[01:11] <kemik> dvorak is supposedly much better for your "hand-health" ;)
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> i tried getting into dvorak once
[01:11] <Fingolfinn> i find that to be quite true, not to mention the number of mistakes less frequent
[01:12] <Fingolfinn> it really took 4 weeks for me to get used to dvorak enough to type it  fluently, used ten thumbs typing tutor
[01:12] <dalamar> im a chicken peck master
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i'm changing my layout right now guys, you talked me into it
[01:13] <Fingolfinn> yeah, then you look up to find you've missed an entire conversation
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: i have used dvorak long enough to get used to it, but when school started, i had to switch back to qwerty
[01:13] <ilba7r> i am new to the command line usage. Is there a way when running a program from a terminal say firefox that i in the same terminal run another program say evolution?
[01:13] <dalamar> naw I can peck pretty damn fast, I mean I don't have to look but as far as typing in a traditional 'home keys' way I can't do it
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: school's out now...so its dvorak time
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> at university it's quite easy to change the layout to dvorak
[01:14] <kemik> ilba7r:  use "&"
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: don't you all have your own laptops in universities?
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> not me, yet
[01:14] <aeruder> ilba7r use "&" at the end when you run it to put it in background
[01:14] <ilba7r> kemik i do not want to rubn them on the same line
[01:14] <kemik> ilba7r:  "evolution &"  and "firefox &"
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: i goto elementary school, we have like 90 comps in the entire building
[01:14] <aeruder> ilba7r or if it is running
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> I'm saving up for a god computer
[01:14] <ilba7r> i just need to regain control
[01:14] <aeruder> ctrl-z to stop it
[01:14] <Chipzz> hi, I'm running breezy, and I want to try out the splash image; it appears I need /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz, boot I don't know what package it is in. One could give me a hint as of where to find it?
[01:14] <kemik> ilba7r:  exactly
[01:14] <aeruder> bg to resume it in background
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> elementary?
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> as in grades 1-6?
[01:15] <kemik> ilba7r:  typ "evolution &"
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> yes, i am going to grade 3 next year
[01:15] <ilba7r> ok thanx a lot guys kemik aeruder
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> you must be kidding
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> i couldn't spell 'the' in grade 2
[01:15] <ablyss> rare but it happens that some programs have a -flag to run as background task... :)
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> i spelt it 'tha'
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: yeah i remember teahing a second grader to read when i was in kindergarten
[01:16] <Fingolfinn> lol child prodigy eh
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: nah, just a computer nerd
[01:16] <Fingolfinn> there was a girl in my graduating class, 15 years old
[01:16] <Seveas> Fingolfinn, EasterSunshine take that off-topic discussion elsewhere
[01:16] <Fingolfinn> she's in engineering of some sort at University of Toronto
[01:17] <EasterSunshine> sry, seveas
[01:17] <Fingolfinn> Oh yeah sorry
[01:17] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: if you actually believe 2% of what people say in IRC, you are rather delusional ;)
[01:17] <Chipzz> ok, would anyone running colony #3 please be kind enough to paste the output of "dpkg -S /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz" ?
[01:17] <Fingolfinn> i'm gonna install ubuntu now
[01:17] <Fingolfinn> nah, i'm just a gullible schmuck
[01:17] <kemik> anyone know  a good Real-Media player
[01:17] <kemik> ?
[01:17] <tristanmike> Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.
[01:17] <Seveas> !realplayer
[01:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> hmmm, good advice
[01:18] <kemik> ouch :)
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> but i'm not gonna believe it
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> lol
[01:18] <valzaq> how can u load hardware modules to the kernel??
[01:18] <kemik> should have known
[01:18] <kemik> valzaq:  modprobe
[01:18] <aeruder> valzaq: modprobe
[01:18] <black13> can a .deb package be unpacked to an arbitrary directory?
[01:18] <Seveas> valzaq, sudo modprobe
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> let the installation begin
[01:18] <Chipzz> black13: yes
[01:18] <Seveas> black13, yes, but why would you want that?
[01:18] <kemik> i think it echoes in here
[01:18] <valzaq> thanks
[01:19] <Chipzz> black13: dpkg-deb -x <nameof.deb> /path/where/you/want/to/extract
[01:19] <spola> unpacked yes, but installed?
[01:19] <Seveas> spola, installed: no :)
[01:19] <black13> spola unpacked and install are two different things from what i gather from the man page
[01:20] <Chipzz> black13: yes
[01:20] <sam__> can someone please explain to me what this means
[01:20] <sam__> im new to linux
[01:20] <sam__> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[01:20] <sam__> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[01:20] <sam__> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[01:20] <spola> my point excactly :o)
[01:20] <Seveas> sam__, do NOT paste in here
[01:20] <sam__> ooo ok
[01:20] <sam__> sorry
[01:20] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell sam__about pastebin
[01:20] <black13> sam__ means your hosed
[01:20] <Seveas> and try not to use .rpm packages
[01:20] <valzaq> nope thats not it what i mean is that blue screen that lets u choose modules with + or remove them with -
[01:20] <Seveas> find a .deb, or better: use the package manager
[01:20] <aeruder> sam__: yea, why are you using a rpm package?
[01:20] <ernstp> Hello everyone
[01:21] <Seveas> valzaq, that's for kernel compiling...
[01:21] <ernstp> I'm getting Error 18 from Grub when I try to boot
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> sam__ do you know about apt or synaptic?
[01:21] <sam__> I'm not sure. I am trying to install skype and vnc. With skype I was using something different, one sec
[01:21] <kemik> Seveas:  perhaps have ubotu tell all newcomers of the rules in some highly intrusive "cant-be-missed" sort of way
[01:21] <Seveas> sam__, vnc is installed by default
[01:21] <kemik> like a DCC-chat or sth
[01:21] <valzaq> yes i need to change the sound card modules im using it doesnt work
[01:21] <ernstp> That is, linux boots fine, running breezy, but windows won't boot
[01:21] <Seveas> kemik, impossible to implement and highly annoying :)
[01:21] <sam__> with skype I was trying to use the "Debian Package"
[01:21] <aeruder> kemik: a DCC chat seems a bit overkill ;)
[01:21] <sam__> o
[01:22] <Seveas> ernstp, try rootnoverify in the win XP entry
[01:22] <kemik> Seveas:  naah, its quite possible.. but hihly annoying :)
[01:22] <black13> let me extend my question can install say bash-xxxx.deb to arbitray directory i dont wish to affect my working system?
[01:22] <Seveas> sam__, that's good
[01:22] <Chipzz> aeruder: /notice al of it <eg>
[01:22] <Seveas> sudo dpkg -i skype-something.deb
[01:22] <Chipzz> s/al/all/
[01:22] <aeruder> Chipzz: yes, but that is not a DCC chat ;)
[01:22] <EasterSunshine> sam__ skype is in one of the official ubuntu repos
[01:22] <Seveas> black13, impossible
[01:22] <sam__> Hmm.. I guess I need to figure out how to find them.
[01:22] <kemik> aeruder:  well seems to me like  of the ppl joining here has no "netiqutte" or bothers to read the topic
[01:22] <sam__> I think I read something about it.
[01:22] <Chipzz> ok... so would someone please help me with this? takes only one second of time...
[01:23] <sam__> I think I'm using the latest version.
[01:23] <black13> Seveas then what about deboostrap?
[01:23] <Seveas> black13, install from source and use ./configue --prefix=/somewhere
[01:23] <kemik> *and some dont even make an effort to use their brains*
[01:23] <aeruder> kemik: welcome to irc, enjoy your stay
[01:23] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell sam about repos
[01:23] <Seveas> black13, debootstrap is something totally different...
[01:23] <aeruder> kemik: heh ;)
[01:23] <ernstp> Seveas, allready got that!
[01:23] <occy> everyone run, occy is here.
[01:23] <kemik> aeruder:  mmh.. been around irc for a long time.. just not in these sort of channels :)
[01:23] <carajean206> ok im back guys and i still need help with my nvidia drivers is there any way that i can see if they are installed at all?
[01:23] <black13> Seveas but deboostrap used dpkg to accomplish this right?
[01:23] <Chipzz> "dpkg -S /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz"...
[01:24] <Seveas> black13, debootstrap is for installing a base system...
[01:24] <aeruder> kemik: yea, i can only take this channel in small doses
[01:24] <Chipzz> or is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[01:24] <Seveas> not individual packages
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> sam__ there is also a skype howto
[01:24] <Seveas> Chipzz, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:24] <kemik> :)
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell sam__ about skype
[01:24] <ernstp> Chipzz, packages.ubuntu.com :-) But it's not very well updated
[01:24] <kemik> Seveas has the patience of an angel sometimes.. heh
[01:24] <aeruder> kemik: the sheer # of rude people that have absolutely no desire to simply google for answers amazes me
[01:24] <Seveas> Chipzz, and it's probably thr 'grub' or 'ubuntu-artwork' package
[01:24] <black13> ok lets go another way .... does an individual .deb file know about dependancies>
[01:24] <black13> ?
[01:24] <Seveas> aeruder, rude people are kicked :)
[01:25] <aeruder> kemik: half the people in here could probably google for answers in half the time they wait for them in here and learn a lot more out about it
[01:25] <Seveas> black13, if the packager is smart: yes
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> aeruder: google isn't a cureall, a lot of stuff you can learn better from the channel than google
[01:25] <black13> like bash-xxx.deb knows that it needs libc-xxx.deb ?
[01:25] <Seveas> if it is packaged by a fool: no
[01:25] <dalamar> the sheer number of  ppl who dont read the wiki amazes me
[01:25] <kemik> indeed
[01:25] <Chipzz> hrmmm
[01:25] <Chipzz> no luck
[01:25] <Seveas> all official ubuntu packages know their dependencies
[01:25] <Seveas> ubuntu maintainers are smart :)
[01:25] <aeruder> EasterSunshine: reading the documentation and googling should always be your first attempt
[01:25] <Chipzz> so where does /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz come from? any takers? ;P
[01:25] <aeruder> EasterSunshine: if we started referring people to /usr/share/doc and the man program,  there'd be anarchy i'm sure
[01:26] <kemik> the wiki, forums and just a simple google search with "topic +ubuntu" would help at least 75% of the ppl :)
[01:26] <Seveas> kemik, lots of people are forwarded to them
[01:26] <kemik> Seveas:  yeh i know :)
[01:26] <bz0b> ubotu tell bz0b about sources
[01:26] <EasterSunshine> aeruder: man pages rock, man always helps me
[01:27] <carajean206> ok can someone just give a newb a quick command to see if my nvidia drivers are even installed?
[01:27] <Seveas> carajean206, grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:27] <Seveas> lsmod | grep nv
[01:27] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I really apologise to bug you again, but the sound is still slow... every time I restart my computer, it goes back to its stultifying pace
[01:27] <aeruder> Seveas: uh, no and.. no?
[01:27] <spola> lately yahoo! returns better results than google most of the times
[01:27] <Seveas> (and you should see the nvidia logo during boot or xorg startup)
[01:27] <kemik> Seveas:  actually some stuff could be done on the installer, make it more "windows" like, and put on some helpful information during file-copy etc
[01:27] <carajean206> seveas that did nothing
[01:27] <aeruder> carajean206: how about dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[01:27] <kemik> "where to get help, basic stuff 2know about linux" :)
[01:27] <Chipzz> carajean206: dpkg -l nvidia-glx
[01:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> why can't i make a map in /usr ?
[01:28] <Seveas> kemik, that's work in progress
[01:28] <Seveas> (installer)
[01:28] <Seveas> and there will be an official faq guide for breezy
[01:28] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: 1) because you are not supposed to
[01:28] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: 2) because you are not supposed to
[01:28] <Seveas> including pointers to wiki
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> oh :p
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> oke
[01:28] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: 3) because the permissions do not allow it
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> nevermind
[01:28] <EasterSunshine> why are you putting a map in your /usr?
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> I'll install java somewhere else
[01:28] <kemik> yeah i saw that.. that'll be very nice, instead of the ubuntuguide
[01:28] <carajean206> ok i got some kind of driver but not the new ones i thought i installed.
[01:29] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, do NOT install java with a binary installer
[01:29] <carajean206> guys im really havin trouble with these nvidia drivers
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[01:29] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: no, really, for 99% of the users there should be no reason to create a map in /usr, it's highly likely that you are just mistaken
[01:29] <aeruder> bjorn_ZZZ: why not?
[01:29] <spola> wth is a map?
[01:29] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, grab a .deb from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/
[01:29] <Chipzz> spola: a folder
[01:29] <tramm> hello, all.
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> k
[01:29] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: like I said, no reason to do so. use packages
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> luckely i asked here first :)
[01:29] <EasterSunshine> i installed java from a binary before i ever came to this channel...
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> well
[01:30] <spola> heh
[01:30] <tramm> just installed ubuntu and am playing around with it. its kinda cool. but, i can't seem to su to root.
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> I couldn't install it from the apt-get
[01:30] <Seveas> tramm, ubuntu uses sudo
[01:30] <aeruder> tramm: you use sudo
[01:30] <Chipzz> tramm: sudo su -
[01:30] <Seveas> not su, neither a root password
[01:30] <spola> or sudo bash
[01:30] <Seveas> Chipzz, that's: sudo -i
[01:30] <kemik> !sudo
[01:30] <carajean206> speaking of apt-get can i do that for the newest nvidia drivers?
[01:30] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:30] <EasterSunshine> root is disabled for security
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> carajean206,
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> there is an easy guide
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> i'll givei t
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> it worked for me
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> wait a sec
[01:30] <tramm> thank you.
[01:30] <Chipzz> Seveas: whatever :) sudo su - has always worked for me, and that's how I remember it ;)
[01:31] <Seveas> hehe
[01:31] <pauldaoust> quick question: anyone know how to disable esound?
[01:31] <bz0b> hey Seveas
[01:31] <Seveas> sudo -i is shorter ;)
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[01:31] <tramm> are you saying that one can only use sudo to do *things*?
[01:31] <bjorn_ZZZ> carajean206, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[01:31] <spola> pauldaoust, killall esd
[01:31] <bjorn_ZZZ> read that
[01:31] <bz0b> what does sudo -i do?
[01:31] <Seveas> pauldaoust, system -> prefs -> sound
[01:31] <pauldaoust> Seveas: duh
[01:31] <pauldaoust> thanks
[01:31] <Seveas> bz0b, makes your terminal a root terminal
[01:31] <bz0b> ah
[01:31] <bz0b> what about sudo -s
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> bz0b: do you know about man?
[01:31] <bz0b> EasterSunshine: or --help
[01:31] <bz0b> EasterSunshine: yes I do
[01:31] <aeruder> bz0b: that's basically the difference between doing a su and a su -
[01:32] <Chipzz> the frustrating thing about this channel is that only the simple answers tend to get answered :P
[01:32] <aeruder> bz0b: su - = sudo -i , su = sudo -s
[01:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> i586 is for 64 architecture ? Seveas ?
[01:32] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, no
[01:32] <bz0b> aeruder: I see
[01:32] <bz0b> aeruder: Ok
[01:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> 684 is ?
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> bz0b: the man pages has what all the options do all listed for you in great depth
[01:32] <Seveas> if you need one for amd64, you can make one yourself
[01:32] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, what problems are you having ?
[01:32] <bz0b> EasterSunshine: ok
[01:32] <kemik> 586 = pentium
[01:32] <pet> hello.. some one can help me with 3ddesk??
[01:32] <pet> it s verry cool app
[01:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> Seveas, how :)?
[01:32] <Seveas> if you still have the .bin file lying around
[01:32] <spola> Chipzz, well feel free to step in :-)
[01:32] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: trying to figure out which package generates a file
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> well
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> yes
[01:33] <aeruder> Chipzz: ok, which file splash.xpm.gz ?
[01:33] <Chipzz> /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz , but I guess it's just copied there by some script
[01:33] <pet> how to  bind a shortcut
[01:33] <pet> ?
[01:33] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, ok, install the package: java-package
[01:33] <Seveas> (if it gives an error: enable mulitverse)
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> syntapic ?
[01:33] <Seveas> yes synaptic
[01:33] <Seveas> or apt-get :)
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> I need to add your server :o?
[01:33] <Seveas> no
[01:33] <Chipzz> aeruder: it's the splash screen used by the kernels in the last colony #3 snapshots
[01:33] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, generates what file ?
[01:33] <pet> does some one know how to put a shortcut for 3ddesk?
[01:33] <tramm> okay, i'm trying to install xmms and its not letting me do this because i dont have a compiler installed. can anyone help?
[01:33] <EasterSunshine> i have yet to find a command that creates an empty file as root... `sudo echo "" > file` only echos as root
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> tramm: that's because you don't need to comile xmms
[01:34] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, sudo touch filename
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> tramm: run synaptic and use that to install xmms
[01:34] <bjorn_ZZZ> ok
[01:34] <Chipzz> I searched for that file on packages.ubuntu.org, no luck
[01:34] <Chadza> sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:34] <bjorn_ZZZ> its installed Seveas
[01:34] <EasterSunshine> tramm: xmms is in a precompiled deb somewhere in the repos
[01:34] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, ok, now go to a terminal
[01:34] <EasterSunshine> thx Seveas
[01:34] <Seveas> and run: fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk-domething.bin
[01:35] <bjorn_ZZZ> k
[01:35] <Seveas> replace the last parameter with the actual filename :)
[01:35] <Chipzz> so I guess it's like /vmlinuz etc, probably a link created there by some script/the installer
[01:35] <tristanmike> How do I mount a seperate drive to get files off?
[01:35] <black13> Seveas i want to do a smaller debootstrap many of the packages in ubuntu deboostrap i dont need ... i dont need ppp or wiptail or similar
[01:35] <Seveas> tristanmike, windows drive or linux?
[01:35] <bjorn_ZZZ> what does fakeroot do ?
[01:35] <bjorn_ZZZ> <== learning
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: mount /dev/device /mount/point -t auto
[01:35] <tristanmike> I assume windows, not that it has an os on it, just a storage drive
[01:35] <Seveas> it makes a program think it is root, while it actually is not
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: mount /dev/device /mount/point -t ntfs
[01:35] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
[01:36] <Seveas> great way to prevent stupid java installers from installing files all over the place
[01:36] <TRaCeR> im complete starter needing help
[01:36] <Seveas> tristanmike, if it is ntfs or fat:
[01:36] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: replace /dev/device with the acutal parititon
[01:36] <Seveas> tristanmike: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-amd64.bin
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> like this Seveas  ?
[01:36] <Seveas> yes
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> oke
[01:36] <spola> not sudo it?
[01:36] <TRaCeR> seveas from`
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> what does make-jpkg do :>?
[01:36] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, that's just a grub theme file isn't it ?
[01:36] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: yes
[01:36] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, it creates a .deb from the .bin
[01:37] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: (I think so)
[01:37] <bjorn_ZZZ> ah
[01:37] <bjorn_ZZZ> k :)
[01:37] <tristanmike> Great, thanx guys
[01:37] <tristanmike> Much appreciated
[01:37] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: you have it working already?
[01:37] <tramm> gr. oh well. i gotta get into work. thanks for the help, people.
[01:37] <tramm> be well.
[01:37] <tristanmike> no
[01:37] <tristanmike> Just thanx for the advice
[01:37] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, they can get installed under gdmsetup (graphical greeter)
[01:37] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: high changes you will run into a wall, like sudo ls: permission denied
[01:37] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: apparently it's placed there by new installs, but I have been on hoary before it was released and upgraded my way to current breezy; and since it is apparently generated on install, I do not have it :/
[01:38] <Agamotto> Question:  How many here are using Cedega to run Win games?
[01:38] <tristanmike> EasterSunshine, sorry, I don't follow
[01:38] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: try mounting the ntfs. it usually wont work immediately
[01:39] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, with the script it does :)
[01:39] <Seveas> it's fool proof :)
[01:39] <tristanmike> EasterSunshine, is automatically NTFS becasue windows wrote to it?
[01:39] <bjorn_ZZZ> so does that work for other bins too Seveas ?
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: i've always had to pass -o umask=0222,gid=eastersunshine,uid=eastershine
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: it may be ntfs if winxp wrote it, otherwise fat32 for oldder windows versions
[01:39] <hmrocha> hello
[01:39] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, it works for all java bins
[01:40] <tristanmike> so it automatically creates the filesystem eh?
[01:40] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, did the command finish already?
[01:40] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: just ran sudo gdmsetup, choose a different theme, closed. ran sudo gdmsetup again, changed back, no luck :/
[01:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_amd64.deb
[01:40] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  he's gonna use a nice script that will setit up all automagixally
[01:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> right :)?
[01:40] <sjmorgan> can somebody please help me fix this grub "error 17" i get whenever i boot?
[01:40] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, that's breezy for you :)
[01:40] <kemik> sjmorgan:  think that means grub cant find your partition
[01:40] <carajean206> ok how do i remove nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings and nvidia-kernal-common packages?
[01:41] <sjmorgan> yeah but how do i fix it?
[01:41] <Scrawny1> hey guys is there a way to have only one task bar for everything instead of having 2?
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> Seveas, its finished and i think i installed it succesfully
[01:41] <carajean206> i have to do that for that guide someone sent me
[01:41] <jimw1956> Hi all...a new Ubuntu user here...this thing is awesome
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> i just ran the dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_amd64.deb command
[01:41] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: *hrmpf* :)
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> in Super user mode
[01:41] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, nice :)
[01:41] <carajean206> oh also i have to install  the kernal headers?
[01:41] <sjmorgan> kemik, is it even finding the menu.lst?
[01:41] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, just drag the items on the bar you don't want, to the other bar
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> so this works for azureus too :>
[01:41] <sjmorgan> kemik, whoever came up with the grub error messages should be shot
[01:41] <StickUpKid> hi
[01:41] <tristanmike> Seveas: that link you gave me, what do I save it as, "winmac_fstab"? then how do i run it, just type the name of the file while in the directory?
[01:41] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, if you can't drag them, right click them and uncheck "lock to panel"
[01:42] <kemik> sjmorgan:  not sure.. i had it once, so i rebooted and then all was fine
[01:42] <bob2> programs on unix are not run by typign their name in the dir they are in
[01:42] <jimw1956> hi stickup
[01:42] <bob2> ./foobar will work, tho
[01:42] <kemik> tristanmike:  go to the link
[01:42] <kemik> tristanmike:  and read
[01:42] <sjmorgan> kemik, i'm using linux, not windows. so rebooting doesn't magically fix it
[01:42] <StickUpKid> i have an nokia 6630 and i want put my pics on pc with usb...what program can i use to do that ?
[01:42] <kemik> sjmorgan:  im using linux too
[01:42] <sjmorgan> kemik, i was being sarcastic
[01:42] <bob2> sjmorgan: if a grub message is unclear, please file a bug...
[01:42] <kemik> sjmorgan:  oh :)
[01:42] <bob2> StickUpKid: gnokki, I'd guess
[01:43] <tristanmike> I don' follow....
[01:43] <StickUpKid> thanks bob2
[01:43] <black13> aeruder hey thanks lets chat off to the side
[01:43] <tristanmike> *don't
[01:43] <Scrawny1> no I want to totally elimate the bottom pannel and have only one pannel for everything
[01:43] <sjmorgan> bob2, if the developers think simply printing "Error 17" is cool then i really can't help them
[01:43] <bob2> tristanmike: which part is confusing?
[01:43] <black13> aeruder what about installation?
[01:43] <sjmorgan> as they clearly haven't got a fucking clue
[01:43] <bob2> sjmorgan: you can by filing a bug and asking they clarify it
[01:43] <bob2> what an awesome attitude
[01:43] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, just right click the panel and delete it
[01:43] <DukGalNamu> can someone give me a apt source?
[01:43] <EasterSunshine> sjmorgan: language...
[01:43] <tristanmike> bob2: you were joking with ./foobar?
[01:44] <bob2> DukGalNamu: you have lots in /etc/apt/sources.list already
[01:44] <bob2> tristanmike: no?
[01:44] <DukGalNamu> bob2: not in this one
[01:44] <Scrawny1> will all my prgrams go to the top pannel?
[01:44] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: foobar is used as a placeholder in examples
[01:44] <Seveas> !sources
[01:44] <bob2> tristanmike: "foobar" obviously should be replaced with the name of the program you want to run
[01:44] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:44] <DukGalNamu> bob2: all ihave is the cd
[01:44] <Seveas> ^-- DukGalNamu
[01:44] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, but you should first drag the task bar to the panel you want
[01:44] <StickUpKid> is there any foobar version to gnu/linux ?
[01:44] <tristanmike> bob2: lol, I'm stupid
[01:44] <sjmorgan> that's beside the point, i can't even boot the frigging system so i really need to get that fixed first
[01:44] <bob2> DukGalNamu: then you still have lots in that file, you just need to enable them
[01:44] <EasterSunshine> bob2: that may not be obvious to everyone
[01:44] <mobarmeg> hi
[01:44] <sjmorgan> and yet i don't see anyone helping
[01:44] <bob2> Scrawny1: not unless you add the window list applet to the top panel
[01:44] <mobarmeg> can any one help?
[01:44] <tristanmike> bob: never seen that used before, that's why
[01:45] <bob2> tristanmike: ah, I see
[01:45] <mobarmeg> i want to dial to a server that supports NT RAS
[01:45] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, do you see a vertical bar next to the "show desktop icon" ?
[01:45] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: thx for the effort anyway :)
[01:45] <mobarmeg> i dial to it, then it dialback to me
[01:45] <Scrawny1> yes
[01:45] <mobarmeg> any help?
[01:45] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, right click it and uncheck "lock to panel"
[01:45] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, good luck
[01:45] <Chipzz> guess I'll hack the source of the installer apart one of these days ;P
[01:46] <Seveas> mv /proc/Seveas /dev/bed
[01:46] <Chipzz> !grep++ :)
[01:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Chipzz
[01:46] <Seveas> 'night all!
[01:46] <bob2> sjmorgan: I can't see where you explained what caused that error
[01:46] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, when you're done, drag that bar to the top panel
[01:46] <Nexinarus> hmm my dcgui package doesnt work any more :S
[01:46] <jimw1956> Is there a driver for the current Ubuntu version for a lucent winmodem?
[01:46] <Nexinarus> worked first time, then stopped working
[01:46] <Chipzz> ubotu: grep = nice tool
[01:46] <ubotu> Chipzz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:46] <bob2> Nexinarus: "doesn't work"?
[01:46] <Chipzz> :)
[01:46] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, it worked?
[01:46] <EasterSunshine> hmm...i didn't notice bob2 was an op and i asked him to watch his language...
[01:46] <Nexinarus> doesnt start up
[01:46] <Chipzz> silly bot :)
[01:46] <Chipzz> anyway :P
[01:46] <Nexinarus> no console messages,
[01:46] <Scrawny1> yes it did
[01:47] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, you can drag all the applets you want
[01:47] <Scrawny1> now I want to put my desktops up there aswell
[01:47] <bob2> EasterSunshine: language?
[01:47] <sjmorgan> bob2, i moved all my linux partitions to an extended rather than primary partition and it's clear that the partition info is now now longer in sync with that of grub. really what i want to know is simply how to install up-to-date info for grub to use.
[01:47] <bob2> Scrawny1: then add the virtual desktyop switch applet there too
[01:47] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, do the same for everything you want
[01:47] <bob2> it seems entirely reasonable that grub failed then
[01:47] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, right click on the desktops, unlock and drag
[01:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> whats the command to run alsa mixer again ?
[01:47] <EasterSunshine> bob2: oh nvm me, i told someone else to watch his/her language, i'm being stupid right now
[01:47] <bob2> also, stating "I completekt rearranged my hard disk" in your original question would have saved time, too
[01:48] <kemik> sjmorgan:  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00192.html
[01:48] <sjmorgan> bob2, define "failed"?
[01:48] <kemik> sjmorgan:  not sure it helps you though
[01:48] <bob2> sjmorgan: you've edited the grub command line to match the new partition names?
[01:48] <sjmorgan> bob2, i think i simply need to point grub at the new location of menu.lst
[01:48] <Scrawny1> excellent :)
[01:48] <sjmorgan> bob2, that's really what i need to know
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> whats the command to run alsa mixer again ?
[01:48] <funkyHat> bjorn_ZZZ, alsamixer
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> ah
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> lol
[01:48] <kemik> sjmorgan:  nvm my post.. i see now that its not longer needed ;)
[01:48] <funkyHat> :)
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> i typed alsa
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> -_-
[01:48] <Nexinarus> heh
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> thanks anyway funkyHat  :>
[01:48] <bob2> sjmorgan: did you manually edit the command line in grub or not?
[01:49] <sjmorgan> kemik, i've read 37894378943 posts like that and none helped hence my coming on here, thanks though
[01:49] <sjmorgan> bob2, i cannot get a grub command line
[01:49] <bob2> sjmorgan: this will hopefully allow you to boot, then you can fix the grub configuration
[01:49] <sjmorgan> bob2, it simply spits out that stupid error and does nothing else
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> how would i go about installing ubuntu or debian over a netwirj?
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> netwirj?
[01:49] <bob2> sjmorgan: when you tap esc oevr and over during boot?
[01:49] <Nexinarus> what error again, sjmorgan?
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> network?
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> :P
[01:49] <sjmorgan> Nexinarus, "Error 17"
[01:49] <rosa> i really need help with setting up my netork... i got a cross wire network cable, hooked from a laptop with WLAN to a PC both running with ubuntu, i give them as i read in the wiki bout hookin up networks, but i still can't get the PC to start up in the internet
[01:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> anyone using a audigy 2 zs ?
[01:50] <bob2> DukGalNamu: does your hardware support pxe?
[01:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> should i enable all the emu tables ?
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, what do you mean? i think i tried hitting Esc after the error and it did nothing
[01:50] <DukGalNamu> bob2: pxe?
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, i hit a bunch of keys
[01:50] <EasterSunshine> bjorn_ZZZ: i am using it, but i used kmix to make it work, sry
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, do i need to do it before the error?
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> bjorn_ZZZ,  yes - they work fine.. ive never messed with any emu-tables that i am aware of.
[01:50] <DukGalNamu> bob2: the mobo supports network boot
[01:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> Dr_Willis, oke so just enable all of them ?
[01:50] <DukGalNamu> bob2: if thats what you mean?
[01:50] <bob2> sjmorgan: so, you've never booted into grub's ui before?  yes, you need ot hit esc before it gets to the error
[01:50] <bob2> DukGalNamu: "network boot" is not a specific term, PXE is what i386 systems generally use
[01:50] <rosa> can anybody help me out
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, yes i have but i can't do it currently because of that error
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> bjorn_ZZZ,  i got no idea what you even mean.  by 'emu tables'
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> uehm
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> when i type
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> alsamixer
[01:51] <sjmorgan> bob2, ok i'll try that and see how it goes brb
[01:51] <carajean206> welp whoever sent me that ubuntu nvidia guide that was thee most useless piece of info
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> and then the emu10k1 controls
[01:51] <bob2> DukGalNamu: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch04s05.html
[01:51] <bob2> carajean206: awesomeattitude.  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> i found the binary driver howto to do what i needed.
[01:51] <DukGalNamu> bob2: also, is a amd duron 950 a k6?
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> for my nvidia system
[01:52] <Nexinarus> hmm i think because i installed dcgui & dcgui-qt, at the same time, it borked both of them..
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Willis: no it's a K7
[01:52] <rosa> anybody out there
[01:52] <bob2> DukGalNamu: no
[01:52] <bjorn_ZZZ> Dr_Willis, did you read dthe one from jones
[01:52] <bjorn_ZZZ> i mean tomm
[01:52] <bjorn_ZZZ> :o
[01:52] <bob2> Nexinarus: that's highly unlikely
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> lol.
[01:52] <Nexinarus> well, i removed them and reinstalled them - dcgui-qt forgets the settings, and dcgui-qt wont load anything
[01:53] <sam__> wooot i got skype going
[01:53] <kemik> Nexinarus:  may i recommend DC++ instead?
[01:53] <Nexinarus> for linux?
[01:53] <kemik> Nexinarus:  yes
[01:53] <Nexinarus> wow theres a linux version? ima check it out
[01:53] <DukGalNamu> bob2: what is it then?
[01:54] <bob2> DukGalNamu: a k7
[01:54] <carajean206> bob2 already been to that site
[01:54] <bob2> carajean206: and?
[01:54] <Scrawny1> ok thx guys it worked :)
[01:54] <bob2> carajean206: saying "doesn't work" is not a useful way to get help
[01:55] <eduardo> i whant install the plugin flash in firefox
[01:55] <Agamotto> Can anyone here help with getting sound configured properly with Cedega?
[01:55] <kemik> Nexinarus:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[01:55] <bob2> eduardo: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:55] <DukGalNamu> bob2: damn thats complicated...
[01:55] <bob2> Agamotto: #cedega would be a better place to ask
[01:55] <Nexinarus> thnx kemik
[01:56] <Agamotto> Ok, danke
[01:56] <DukGalNamu> bob2: all this just because the dcrom is fried
[01:56] <kemik> Nexinarus:  np.. just did it myself 3hours ago
[01:56] <apokryphos> Is there a reason for why the Win-key would suddenly stop working?
[01:56] <kemik> !dc
[01:56] <ubotu> kemik: Syntax error in line 1
[01:56] <bob2> apokryphos: "stop working" = ?
[01:56] <bob2> not return a key hit at all?  not return the one it used to?  not do what it used to do?
[01:56] <carajean206> ok by doesnt work i mean i have followed every guide on google and on the forums and i do as they say and then restart and no gnome just console. im sorry im being short its just i have been working on this all day
[01:56] <kemik> !ubotu dc is get DC++ for linuxhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[01:56] <ubotu> okay, kemik
[01:57] <kemik> ubotu forget dc
[01:57] <ubotu> kemik: i forgot dc
[01:57] <apokryphos> bob2: doesn't seem to respond at all. I had several shortcuts for it, and they don't seem to work anymore; this was on hoary, but problem still happens now on breezy
[01:57] <kemik> !ubotu dc is get DC++ for linux http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[01:57] <ubotu> okay, kemik
[01:57] <bob2> carajean206: so, ignore all of them, and undo everything you have done
[01:57] <kemik> good boy
[01:57] <bob2> carajean206: then read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, and come back if it doesn't work
[01:57] <bjorn_ZZZ> how can i add a icon file
[01:57] <bjorn_ZZZ> for my programms
[01:57] <bob2> apokryphos: what does "xev" (run from an xterm) say when you hit it?
[01:57] <bjorn_ZZZ> when its not in the list
[01:57] <kemik> !tell kemik about dc
[01:58] <carajean206> im back i tried that one earlier before u told me about it
[01:58] <noplease> hi
[01:58] <bob2> carajean206: you actually undid everything you did before?
[01:58] <bob2> forgive me if I'm doubtful
[01:58] <apokryphos> bob2: in a terminal? No such command
[01:58] <bjorn_ZZZ> nvrmind
[01:58] <bjorn_ZZZ> found it
[01:58] <bob2> yay breezy
[01:59] <carajean206> no i dont know how to im still a newb uninstalling in linux is not somethin i know
[01:59] <bob2> so
[01:59] <ray_> linux people and windows people cant play enemy-territory together?
[01:59] <apokryphos> bob2: what's the device for it in /dev? I figure I can cat to see if X recognises it at all
[01:59] <bob2> when someone asks you to do something, and yo udon't know how, please don't lie
[01:59] <apokryphos> bob2: sorry, for the keyboard that is.
[01:59] <bob2> that's just stupid and makes it impossible to help you
[01:59] <bob2> apokryphos: there isn't one, afaik
[01:59] <apokryphos> :|
[02:00] <apokryphos> I thought everything, even devices, were files in Linux
[02:00] <bob2> no
[02:00] <bob2> a lot of things are
[02:00] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:00] <bjorn_ZZZ> nope that didn't work
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> how can i add a icon/emblem when its not in the list?
[02:01] <Firetech> apokryphos: AFAIK, the /dev stuff are just kind of links to devices
[02:01] <Nexinarus> i got told you cant square root negative numbers, but that was wrong :p
[02:01] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, install 'smeg', handy little menu config tool in the repos
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> k
[02:01] <bob2> Firetech: not really
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar, and where can i find it
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> when its installed
[02:01] <bob2> they're direct access to bits of the kernel IO stuff
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> graphic ?
[02:01] <sjmorgan> bob2, hitting Esc repeatedly and holding Esc does nothing
[02:02] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, under applications -> system tools
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> I need a other repos
[02:02] <Firetech> bob2: kind of links :P
[02:02] <apokryphos> bob2: so what's with the xev? What should I do?
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> It doesn't show up
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> =/
[02:02] <bob2> apokryphos: have to go find the version from hoary and install it manually, I guess
[02:02] <dalamar> hm worked for me, do you have multi and universe enabled?
[02:02] <aqua> anyone here run amarok
[02:03] <bob2> breezy really ain't ready for production
[02:03] <bjorn_ZZZ> wait
[02:03] <apokryphos> bob2: ok
[02:03] <bjorn_ZZZ> i'll look
[02:03] <apokryphos> aqua: yes
[02:03] <bob2> sjmorgan: ok, time to find a boot disk then
[02:03] <aqua> apokryphos; it keeps saying it cant play mp3 files
[02:03] <aqua> apokryphos; would you know a package im missing ? :x
[02:03] <apokryphos> aqua: akode-mpeg?
[02:03] <sjmorgan> bob2, what do you think i'm using?
[02:03] <bob2> sjmorgan: what are you talking about?
[02:03] <apokryphos> bob2: all xev packs seem to be in breezy; I'll just get them from repos
[02:03] <aqua> ahh thnx
[02:04] <bob2> sjmorgan: when I say hit escape, I mean "boot your normal system and hit escape to get into the grub menu"
[02:04] <bob2> sjmorgan: now I want you to go download a live cd or tomsrootbt and use that to boot
[02:04] <Fingolfinn> it seems my hopes of wireless connectivity have been dashed, or otherwise maimed
[02:05] <sjmorgan> bob2, what do you mean "normal system", this *is* my normal system
[02:05] <sjmorgan> bob2, i'm running the livecd right now
[02:05] <Fingolfinn> apple airport express cards aren't easily supported
[02:05] <Fingolfinn> very true
[02:06] <apokryphos> Fingolfinn: just finished Silmarillion; great stuff :)
[02:06] <aqua> hmm
[02:06] <Fingolfinn> yeah bloody awesome
[02:06] <Fingolfinn> :D
[02:06] <bob2> sjmorgan: okie dokie, just fix it then
[02:06] <bob2> sjmorgan: chroot into your system, fix menu.lsy and rerun grub-install
[02:06] <sjmorgan> bob2, how?
[02:06] <sjmorgan> bob2, how do i chroot?
[02:07] <apokryphos> !chroot
[02:07] <ubotu> I don't know, apokryphos
[02:07] <apokryphos> hm
[02:07] <aqua> ok
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar,
[02:07] <aqua> thanks apokryphos
[02:07] <Scrawny1> hey guys how do I create a new new program switcher notification thingy?
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> can you post your sourceslist
[02:07] <aqua> had to configure it then it starrted :)
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> on a pastebin ?
[02:07] <apokryphos> aqua: it works?
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> maybe i missed one
[02:07] <aqua> yeah
[02:07] <apokryphos> cool
[02:07] <aqua> crashes ;)
[02:07] <Fingolfinn> have any of you had success using an Airport extreme card with ubuntu linux?
[02:07] <sjmorgan> bob2, how do i chroot?
[02:08] <bob2> sjmorgan: mount your root partition, sudo chroot /wherever/you/mounted/it/
[02:08] <apokryphos> aqua: what version are you using?
[02:08] <bob2> please don't be so needy
[02:08] <Nexinarus> just look at docs for chroot
[02:08] <Nexinarus> ie..
[02:08] <aqua> 1.2.3
[02:08] <Nexinarus> chroot --help
[02:08] <aqua> -1ubuntu4
[02:08] <Rossmiester> i just had one question with dual-booting ubuntu and windows.  Don't worry, I already have it working, just a couple of things.
[02:08] <aqua> if you click the graphical output twice it crashes
[02:08] <sjmorgan> i can't help it, i'm clutching at straws here
[02:08] <apokryphos> aqua: and it crashes when you start it up, or just configure?
[02:08] <apokryphos> aqua: graphical output?
[02:09] <aqua> the umm
[02:09] <aqua> visual
[02:09] <Nexinarus> kemik: sweet thanks for that pointer, linux dc++ works great so far :D
[02:09] <apokryphos> aqua: ah. The default one or the extra libvisual one (from the menu)?
[02:09] <Rossmiester> one is how can you edit a grub menu, when you save it to a floppy (booting with NT boot loader)
[02:09] <apokryphos> default = one next to play etc
[02:09] <apokryphos> or are you using "xmms mode"?
[02:10] <aqua> apokryphos; default
[02:10] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: What do you mean, "linux dc++"?
[02:10] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1493
[02:10] <apokryphos> aqua: xmms or amarok/juk style?
[02:10] <aqua> apokryphos; yeah
[02:10] <aqua> xmms
[02:10] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: Just running DC++ in WINE, or a separate program?
[02:11] <aqua> apokryphos; its really ok for now, this beats xmms ;)
[02:11] <apokryphos> aqua: Hm, didn't test that so not sure if there's a genuine bug there
[02:11] <sjmorgan> root@ubuntu:~ # grub-install /dev/sda
[02:11] <sjmorgan> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[02:11] <sjmorgan> that doesn't look very good
[02:11] <sjmorgan> fortunately update-grub worked ok
[02:11] <apokryphos> aqua: it's a shame to even compare the two :P
[02:11] <sjmorgan> but i think earlier stages are the problem :(
[02:11] <aqua> apokryphos; haha
[02:11] <apokryphos> still, the xmms mode is evil, though I did use that at first too
[02:11] <bob2> sjmorgan: do you have a seperate /boot artition?
[02:12] <sjmorgan> bob2, nope
[02:12] <aqua> apokryphos; well im looking at zinf too
[02:12] <sjmorgan> i have a / and /home
[02:12] <aqua> apokryphos; im really actually hating the whole library mode, i want to add all the new dj sets i download and listen to just those :x
[02:12] <apokryphos> aqua: never tried it; installing now...
[02:12] <sjmorgan> that's all apart from swap
[02:12] <[EasterSunshine] > oh noes...ls /dev|grep hd gave me 168 thingies...how do i find which one is the ntfs partition i wish to mount...?
[02:12] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : by telling us which one you want to mount
[02:12] <[EasterSunshine] > there are 8 hdds, each has 20 partitions?
[02:12] <apokryphos> aqua: I'm a little confused; could you explain?
[02:12] <sjmorgan> bob2, ahh maybe fstab is a problem
[02:13] <sjmorgan> bob2, that will be out of date as well
[02:13] <[EasterSunshine] > i only have two hdds inside, with 3 and 1 partitions respectively
[02:13] <aqua> apokryphos; the 'library' stile of looking at your musiuc
[02:13] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : and the one you want to mount is...
[02:13] <apokryphos> aqua: zinf looks a little... limited so far :P
[02:13] <sjmorgan> bob2, wtf, when i try to edit it with vim it just freezes
[02:13] <aqua> apokryphos; heh
[02:14] <Nexinarus> paulproteus: DC++ ported to linux
[02:14] <[EasterSunshine] > the only one parition on the master on the secondy ide
[02:14] <apokryphos> aqua: not sure what you mean. You talking about the playlist?
[02:14] <[EasterSunshine] > would that be hdc1?
[02:14] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: Oh, URL?
[02:14] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : /dev/hdc1
[02:14] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : yes
[02:14] <Nexinarus> paulproteus: see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084, it's incredibly easy to follow to install
[02:14] <Nexinarus> i just did it then, and im a complete noob heh
[02:14] <Nexinarus> works fucking fantastic
[02:15] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: Awesome! :)
[02:15] <Fingolfinn> is ubuntu without a working internet connection, particularly disabled?
[02:15] <Nexinarus> Fingolfinn: for adding programs, yeah
[02:15] <Fingolfinn> blast
[02:15] <Nexinarus> but for personal work, its not bad
[02:16] <Nexinarus> you can get around it, though
[02:16] <Nexinarus> download the packages outside of you're pc
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> for gaining a working knowledge of the operating system, it's okay?
[02:16] <Nexinarus> yeah
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> kewl
[02:16] <Nexinarus> you can spend days looking around heh
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> the man pages should tell me what i need to know
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> ach i'm a dreadfull noob
[02:17] <Nexinarus> me too
[02:17] <Nexinarus> finally got my whole system running just the way i want :D
[02:17] <Fingolfinn> cool
[02:17] <bob2> man pages are more intended for unix users who want to know what a particular program does
[02:17] <bob2> they're not very useful for people comign from windows
[02:17] <Fingolfinn> ah
[02:17] <EasterSunshine> man pages are quick references or reminders
[02:17] <bob2> yeah
[02:17] <Fingolfinn> I however, am coming from Mac OS X 10.4.2 :D
[02:17] <Nexinarus> i like in the console doing: program --help
[02:18] <bob2> if you're used to the shell in OS X, tho, you'll be fine
[02:18] <EasterSunshine> i like asking you guys :)
[02:18] <Fingolfinn> got basic knowledge of the terminal
[02:18] <bob2> and well ahead of people coming from windows, too
[02:18] <Nexinarus> heh
[02:18] <Fingolfinn> hehehe
[02:18] <Fingolfinn> we call it Winblowz
[02:18] <Nexinarus> i got pushed away from linux a few years ago, looking at old versions of redhat and mandrake,
[02:18] <EasterSunshine> some of us call it Doze
[02:18] <aqua> oh why is hoary still running firefox 1.0.2
[02:19] <Fingolfinn> massive piece of bloatware
[02:19] <bob2> aqua: it's not
[02:19] <aqua> when 1.0.2->1.0.6 were clearly security updates
[02:19] <Nexinarus> just update it then?
[02:19] <aqua> mine is
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar,
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> still nothing
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> :/
[02:19] <EasterSunshine> thats because 1.0.6 is a security update from 1.0.2
[02:19] <Nexinarus> i think you gotta add some repositories,
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> wierd Oo
[02:19] <bob2> aqua: then update already, 1.0.6 is in hoary-security
[02:19] <aqua> ok
[02:20] <aqua> figured it would have done that the first 3 times i did update/upgrade
[02:20] <bob2> aqua: and it's not "clearly security updates" it's a "ton of fixes for various things, that utterly break compatbility with previous versions and their extensions"
[02:20] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, your doing a search of all packages for "smeg"?
[02:20] <bob2> aqua: perhaps you forgot to tell apt to use online security repositories
[02:20] <Fingolfinn> what i'm trying to do basically is a get a functional working knowledge of ubuntu linux, to answer any questions thrown at me over the phone job screening from Google
[02:20] <aqua> bob2; well even debian does that on its onw
[02:21] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar,
[02:21] <Fingolfinn> i'll probably end up being a parts swapper but oh well, Google ownz
[02:21] <bjorn_ZZZ> even if i look for "smeg" in everything
[02:21] <bjorn_ZZZ> it doesn't find anything
[02:21] <bob2> aqua: and ubuntu works identically in that regard
[02:21] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, dont know what to tell you, it was right there in synaptic for me
[02:22] <bjorn_ZZZ> wierd
[02:22] <bjorn_ZZZ> maybe its because i'm on a amd 64 release ?
[02:22] <aqua> bob2; yeah its in my sources.list
[02:22] <dalamar> did you refresh the package list in synaptic? it could maybe be because of the 64 release
[02:22] <caliminus> where synaptic get its files after downloading them
[02:22] <aqua> ok it got updated
[02:22] <aqua> :x
[02:23] <apokryphos> caliminus: they get put into /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:23] <caliminus> thanks
[02:23] <hardw1re> ok, i am understanding that certain things wont work on the x86_64 without the 32bit version librarys installed. so does anyone know what packages i need to look at installing for cedega to show opengl, and 3D acceleration support?
[02:24] <bjorn_ZZZ> i did dalamar
[02:24] <bob2> if you want to use 32-bit windows apps, install the ubuntu i386 port
[02:24] <bjorn_ZZZ> apt-get update
[02:24] <bob2> it will save you a lot of time
[02:24] <bob2> and us
[02:25] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, dunno then, I got the info off ubuntuguide.org and it worked fine for me
[02:25] <hardw1re> whats the bloody point in experimenting with linux then
[02:25] <BodaciousB> if i do "sudo chmod -r 777 /usr/share/games" in the console, will it screw me over?
[02:25] <biscuit_> Does anyone use kppp?
[02:26] <EasterSunshine> `sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop` leaves two apache2 processes running, is it okay to sudo killall them?
[02:26] <bob2> hardw1re: what?
[02:26] <zukalk> BodaciousB, do you mean -R or -r?
[02:27] <bob2> hardw1re: if you care about legacy applications, install the i386 port on your machine
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> whats the apt command for searching packages
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> btw
[02:27] <EasterSunshine> BodaciousB: that will not screw you over, it'll jsut give anyone read/write permissions to evetrything duner that dir
[02:27] <zukalk> bjorn_ZZZ, apt-cache search [pkg] 
[02:27] <bob2> bjorn_ZZZ: apt-cache search blah
[02:27] <EasterSunshine> BodaciousB: apparently, its highly discouraged
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> k thanks
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> :)
[02:27] <BodaciousB> EasterSunshine, yeah i know, but the game i installed isnt working, so ill try this
[02:28] <BodaciousB> EasterSunshine, using chmod before, i had all the icons on my computer turn to X's, needless to say it didnt boot back up!
[02:28] <EasterSunshine> BodaciousB: the games folder isn't all that important...it's a different story if you do it to /etc
[02:29] <StickUpKid> hi, i am with an problem but it's just on xchat... some letters appears like this..    
[02:30] <BodaciousB> EasterSunshine, thats what i was figuring, thanks for the help
[02:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:30] <Ice9> how can I get "libavcodec2"
[02:30] <dalamar> snatch! ;)
[02:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> now i see smeg
[02:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> but its getting me an error
[02:31] <bob2> bjorn_ZZZ: so, no one but you can see your screen, so you need to tell us about the error
[02:31] <EasterSunshine> two questions: is `invoke-rc.d apache2 restart` and similar commands ubuntu-only or is that a general linux thing? and why doesn't `invoke-rc.d apache2 stop` stop apache2?
[02:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> required python-xdg (>=0.14) but  0.9-1 is installed
[02:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> but when I do a search for xdg
[02:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> it only lets mee see 0.9-1
[02:32] <Ice9> how can I get "libavcodec2"
[02:34] <snorks> ghi
[02:34] <snorks> hi
[02:35] <nox> hi i have a problem with keyboard shortcuts
[02:36] <EasterSunshine> something that is not apache2 is binded to my port 80...
[02:36] <EasterSunshine> nox: just ask :)
[02:36] <nox> ok :)
[02:36] <snorks> !mx 700
[02:36] <ubotu> snorks: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:36] <snorks> ubotu: no
[02:36] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, snorks
[02:36] <nox> hmm, sometimes im using a language which is not english on the keyboard
[02:37] <nox> and when i use keyboard shortcuts, it won`t work.
[02:37] <nox> i mean CTRL+C for copying and such
[02:37] <nox> is there any solution to this problem ?
[02:37] <snorks> nox: ctrl+c is in most cases (in a terminal) a way to break an operation
[02:38] <nox> snorks, yeah but im talking about every keyboard shortcut, not only this
[02:38] <bob2> EasterSunshine: they're a Debian-derived-distribution thing, not a general Linux/Unix thing
[02:38] <bob2> EasterSunshine: it will only stop it if you started it with the init script
[02:38] <snorks> nox: give a specific example
[02:38] <nox> and i know why this problem occures. thats because CTRL+C is not like CTRL+<other language letter>
[02:39] <BodaciousB> how do i remove a full directry?
[02:39] <EasterSunshine> bob2: thx, and my third problem? =/
[02:39] <snorks> nox: ok
[02:39] <Subvertir> bob2, can you unban me from #Debian?
[02:39] <Subvertir> I'm really not a troll =(
[02:39] <bob2> EasterSunshine: find out what's binding it
[02:39] <Velox> BodaciousB: rm -rf directory
[02:39] <bob2> Subvertir: /msg
[02:39] <BodaciousB> Velox, thank you
[02:39] <snorks> nox: ive never had this proble, tho id like to know how you got it. I want some way to switch between english and norwegian keyboard layout
[02:40] <nox> snorks you didnt understand my problem i guess =\
[02:40] <nox> i know how to switch between the keyboard layouts
[02:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> i found the debian package i needed
[02:40] <nox> but when im using layout other than english, the keyboard shortcuts wont work
[02:40] <EasterSunshine> they talk like a whole different language in #debian
[02:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> how do i install deb packages :o?
[02:40] <socomm> bjorn_ZZZ: `man dpkg'
[02:40] <nox> bjorn_ZZZ, dpkg -i <pkg.deb>
[02:41] <snorks> nox: I guess I didn't :/
[02:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> -i = install ?
[02:41] <nox> snorks -> now you understand
[02:41] <socomm> bjorn_ZZZ: RTFM.
[02:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> :)
[02:41] <nox> bjorn_ZZZ, -i = incredible, as in The Incredible dpkg! just kidding, yeah, install
[02:41] <Subvertir> Can someone with an optical mouse msg me with the output of lsmod (or pastebin it)?
[02:42] <nox> Subvertir, ok, wait a sec
[02:42] <ed__> is there a mysql program on Ubuntu?
[02:42] <Subvertir> sure, thx
[02:42] <nox> ed__ -> mysql-server ?
[02:42] <socomm> bjorn_ZZZ: I believe you can also use synaptic to install debs, never tried it myself though.
[02:42] <ed__> ya
[02:42] <nox> ed__ -> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[02:42] <nox> :P
[02:42] <ed__> thanks
[02:42] <nox> Subvertir, what exactly are you looking for ?
[02:43] <ed__> how do you set the sudo password, i forgot
[02:43] <Subvertir> nox, I dunno how to get this optical mouse working... it's detected when I start, and psmouse is loaded, but when I start X it doesn't work
[02:43] <nox> ed__ -> the sudo password is your username password
[02:43] <ed__> ok
[02:43] <Subvertir> I've got X set to look at /dev/psaux and protocol set to IMPS/2
[02:44] <ed__> is there anything else to do to get the mysql server up and running?
[02:44] <nox> ed__ -> no
[02:44] <ed__> nice
[02:44] <ed__> thanks
[02:44] <Subvertir> ed__, obligatory SQLite plug: sqlite rules =)
[02:44] <nox> Subvertir, what mouse ?
[02:44] <Subvertir> It's an el cheapo optical mouse from wal-mart
[02:45] <Razor-X> brb, i'm gonna flush the logs of this channel
[02:45] <nox> USB or cordless ?
[02:45] <Subvertir> PS/2
[02:45] <nox> oh, psaux, forgot :)
[02:45] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:45] <Subvertir> yeh I'm stuck in the 20th century =)
[02:45] <bjorn_ZZZ> i need to deinstall python before i can make that app work
[02:45] <bjorn_ZZZ> :(
[02:46] <dalamar> i dont know what you've got going there but synaptic installed it with no errors and only one dependency which went fine
[02:46] <bjorn_ZZZ> werll
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> it says i need python something greater then 0.9.1
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> i downloaded the deb file
[02:47] <dalamar> why not just use synaptic?
[02:47] <Razor-X> there we are
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> but the deb file needs python something <2.4
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> Because dalamar
[02:47] <Razor-X> what FS does the iPod default to?
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> It won't let me install it
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> =)(
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> =(
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: it comes with HFS
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> HFS+ even
[02:47] <dalamar> some config is messed up or something then
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> I reformatted mine to FAT32
[02:47] <Razor-X> does the x86 Ubuntu kernel support HFS+
[02:47] <MrPockets> what plugin do i need for videos on XMMS?
[02:48] <Razor-X> and, second question, can the iPod firmware take FAT32?
[02:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> maybe it doesn't support the dutch version ?
[02:48] <ed__> ive got mysql on my computer but how do i access it? lol
[02:48] <EasterSunshine> looks like it can't create a resource in the x server for itself if its run by root
[02:49] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: try ``kdesu kate''
[02:49] <ed__> can anyone tell me how to use the mysql server software (its installed)
[02:49] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: wow thx! that did the trick. kdesu sounds japanese if you read it as k-desu instead of kde-su ^_^
[02:50] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: meh
[02:50] <Razor-X> ke-de-su ;)
[02:50] <Razor-X> 33 MB of logs of this channel
[02:50] <EasterSunshine> time to edit (and destroy perhaps) my configuration files under /etc
[02:50] <Razor-X> wow, that's a lot of logs I have :)
[02:51] <bob2> Razor-X: there's an irssi plugi nto automatically bzip2 then on rotation
[02:51] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: ach! you have reminded me to clear my logs! thx a lot!
[02:51] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: my system's total slowdown tells me it's time to flush the logs :)
[02:51] <Razor-X> when I load 17 MB into RAM, it's not funny
[02:51] <Razor-X> bob2: good idea, I think i'll bz2 my logs
[02:54] <flickerfly|home> Firefox keeps freezing up on me when I have a few tabs open. Anyone know what is causing this?
[02:54] <EasterSunshine> bz2, do you know how its compression compares with solid rars?
[02:54] <Razor-X> i'm pretty confident bz2 is better than RAR
[02:54] <bob2> probably about the same
[02:54] <bob2> rzip will spank them both
[02:54] <Razor-X> 7z is one of the few formats better than bz2
[02:55] <EasterSunshine> flickerfly|home: maybe a bad looping javascript?
[02:55] <mae> rar isnt better tahn bz2?
[02:55] <flickerfly|home> EasterSunshine: It doesn't seem to be related to a certain site. It has happened all over the place and only a few minutes in
[02:55] <Razor-X> mae: nopes, not in my opinion
[02:55] <crimsun> paulproteus: what seems to correct that?
[02:55] <Razor-X> flickerfly|home: you tried reinstalling?
[02:55] <FortMax> !sound
[02:55] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[02:55] <EasterSunshine> bob2: rzip is the best you know of? regardless of speed?
[02:56] <Razor-X> hmmmm, does bz2 take stdin from grepped ls commands?
[02:56] <flickerfly|home> Razor-X: not yet, that seemed like a cop out :-)
[02:56] <Razor-X> flickerfly|home: meh
[02:56] <bob2> EasterSunshine: rzip is slow and memory-hungry, but I don't know of a better compressor
[02:56] <Razor-X> bob2: jack up 7z to highest compression on a 486 and you'll know what ``slow'' means :)
[02:56] <bob2> it's by the same person who wrote rsync and samba (tridge)
[02:57] <Razor-X> and that, an 800 MB group of files
[02:57] <Kyral> bob2 EasterSunshine: rzip is slow and memory-hungry, but I don't know of a better compressor <---Basically set it to run overnight :P
[02:57] <flickerfly|home> Razor-X: I like a challenge.
[02:58] <firez> In what dir. are the default apps of ubuntu (ex: firefox) installed?
[02:58] <bob2> firez: by default, most binaries are in /usr/bin/
[02:58] <firez> thanks
[02:58] <bob2> that's not where most of firefox is, tho
[02:58] <firez> I'm trying to update firefox to 1.0.6
[02:58] <bob2> dude
[02:58] <bob2> stop
[02:59] <bob2> firez: do not do what you're about to do
[02:59] <firez> why?
[02:59] <bob2> firez: firefox in hoary is already 1.0.6
[02:59] <bob2> because you'll break your system
[02:59] <firez> no is 1.0.3
[02:59] <Kyral> !backports
[02:59] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[02:59] <firez> thanks for the advice
[02:59] <Kyral> bob2, WTF?
[02:59] <bob2> firez: no, it's not
[02:59] <Kyral> It doesn't break
[02:59] <firez> but my default firefox version is 1.0.3, really
[02:59] <Kyral> I use it!
[02:59] <bob2> firez: 1.0.6 is in the hoary security repository
[02:59] <bob2> Kyral: awesome
[03:00] <firez> yeah I see it
[03:00] <Kyral> Then why you saying it breaks systems?
[03:00] <bob2> Kyral: installing it to /usr/ will
[03:00] <firez> but just for the sake of learning how can I update firefox manually?
[03:00] <mae> what do you all think about deer park
[03:00] <Razor-X> bob2: does ZSH support regexps instead of globbing?
[03:00] <Kyral> unn no...
[03:00] <Razor-X> (I haven't gotten to the globbing chapter yet)
[03:00] <Razor-X> mae: wha....?
[03:01] <bob2> firez: you'd go get the tarball and install it to /usr/local/ or ~/
[03:01] <EasterSunshine> mae: you mean those people that take water put into bottles and sell it for money?
[03:01] <Kyral> bob2: I have no clue what you are talking about, but I installed it through the Backports and it works fine
[03:01] <Kyral> no breakage
[03:01] <bob2> Kyral: that's not close to what I was talking about
[03:01] <Kyral> eeeeah?
[03:01] <Kyral> then do tell
[03:01] <EasterSunshine> bob2 is saying that installing from tarball into /usr?
[03:01] <mae> deer park - codename for next release of firefox
[03:01] <firez> thanks bob2
[03:01] <mae> its alpha right now
[03:02] <Razor-X> mae: #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:02] <Razor-X> not everyone here likes/uses firefox :)
[03:02] <firez> I will try it now
[03:02] <mae> Razor-X, thats not o/t
[03:02] <dalamar> firefox is the evil
[03:02] <zukalk> is there any program that lets you scan available wireless networks, see their ESSID, channel, etc. and that also allows you to see the signal strength and link quality?
[03:02] <Razor-X> mae: it is for those of us who don't like firefox
[03:02] <bob2> zukalk: kismet
[03:02] <Kyral> because I'm running FireFox 1.0.6 out of /usr/bin and its okay
[03:02] <zukalk> bob2, thanks
[03:02] <Razor-X> same with discussing Monad, new versions of Opera, or anything like that
[03:02] <firez> it's me or firefox use more resources on ubuntu than linux?
[03:03] <firez> i mean windows
[03:03] <mae> Razor-X, oh stuff it
[03:03] <Kyral> ...I was about to give you a stupid look firez :P
[03:03] <bob2> come on people
[03:03] <dalamar> Kyral, he's not talking about installing it from repos he's talking about installing from a tarball off the web sheesh
[03:03] <firez> sorry :P
[03:03] <Kyral> ah
[03:03] <firez> it seems that it uses more CPU than windows actually
[03:03] <Kyral> then why not just point him to the Backports and be done with it?
[03:04] <bob2> Kyral: because 1.0.6 is in ubuntu itself already
[03:04] <dalamar> Kyral, thats what bob2 is doing!
[03:04] <bob2> where it's been actually been tested and works
[03:04] <Kyral> wait
[03:04] <dalamar> except its in hoary security now
[03:04] <Kyral> okat
[03:04] <zukalk> Razor-X, which browser do you use then? i've been using Galeon for the past week
[03:04] <Kyral> I got it
[03:04] <Kyral> I read it as he wasn't telling him to install it period
[03:04] <Kyral> my apologies
[03:05] <EasterSunshine> hey a syntax error in fstab wont break my system...wil it?
[03:05] <Kyral> yes
[03:05] <Kyral> it will
[03:05] <bob2> probably not
[03:06] <bob2>  / will still get mounted by the kernel, so you can fix things later
[03:06] <Razor-X> zukalk: I use Opera, meself
[03:06] <Razor-X> Opera and Konqueror
[03:07] <mae> opera can die
[03:07] <Razor-X> mae: and so can firefox for all I care, but this isn't the place for that
[03:07] <Kyral> !ubotu start a browser war
[03:07] <ubotu> Kyral: Are you on ritalin?
[03:07] <Kyral> Actually....yes...
[03:07] <mae> Razor-X, haha.. FF is the default browser in ubuntu .. and FF discussions are O/T .. gimme a break.
[03:08] <zukalk> Razor-X, i used Opera back in the Doze days. still do sometimes, no other browser has come up with the smart fast forward yet
[03:08] <bob2> come on people
[03:08] <Razor-X> mae: but not in Kubuntu, an alternate distribution of Ubuntu
[03:08] <dalamar> ff is slow bloat poo.
[03:08] <Razor-X> :)
[03:08] <Kyral> Uhoh
[03:08] <Razor-X> not a fork, mind you, an alternate distribution of the same repos
[03:08] <Subvertir> Can I just switch from unstable to ubuntu?
[03:08] <Kyral> Why do I see a KDE vs. GNOME war?
[03:08] <Razor-X> Subvertir: yeah, you can
[03:08] <firez> maybe this is a very common question but I can't figure it out:  How can I log on as Root?
[03:08] <Razor-X> Kyral: because mae wants to start an FF jihad
[03:08] <EasterSunshine> we need a kde vs gnome channel
[03:08] <Subvertir> Razor-X, killer, just update my apt sources?
[03:08] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell firez about sudo
[03:08] <Razor-X> Subvertir: ezzatly
[03:09] <crimsun> sure, you can "just switch", and then you get to keep the broken pieces.
[03:09] <Kyral> Razor-X, I am a FireFox lover
[03:09] <EasterSunshine> firez: you can start root shells with -i i think
[03:09] <Razor-X> Subvertir: but I suggest using aptitude for something that large
[03:09] <firez> Thanks
[03:09] <Kyral> but we do NOT NEED TO FIGHT WITH OURSELVES!!
[03:09] <mae> kde/gnome is a preference really.. My pref is gnome.. mainly because I think it will attract more companies to use it since gtk is lgpl as opposed to GPL.. commercial entities have to pay a large licensing fee to Qt if they wanna make anything in kde
[03:09] <Subvertir> It doesn't get much more broken thatn what I've got now =P
[03:09] <Razor-X> Kyral: and i'm pretty sure you heard of Firefox before Opera, even though the latter existed ages before
[03:09] <Kyral> unity! FREEDOM!
[03:09] <Kyral> Actually I heard of Opera first
[03:09] <Razor-X> Kyral: wow :), that's a rare sight
[03:09] <Kyral> but that was while I was still in the clutches of M$
[03:10] <Kyral> and before I was enlightened to Open Source!
[03:10] <Razor-X> meh
[03:10] <Subvertir> I really like Opera
[03:10] <dalamar> kde default is the ugly
[03:10] <mae> Razor-X, actually i used opera way before firefox.. and way before mozilla was anywhere near mature
[03:10] <bob2> I'm pretty sure you can't make proprietary KDE software at all
[03:10] <EasterSunshine> mae: the desktop environment/windows manager are aside from the apps it runs
[03:10] <Razor-X> mae: again, it's your choice
[03:10] <bob2> since you'd have to link a non-free qt against GPL kde stuff
[03:10] <RemyHome> hi folks!
[03:10] <EasterSunshine> mae: you can write gtk progs and run em in kde
[03:10] <rizla> goodnight to everybody
[03:10] <mae> EasterSunshine, the kde desktop environment uses Qt.. one cannot make a non-gpl compliant app without paying a license fee to Qt
[03:10] <Razor-X> Firefox is an ok browser with a pretty cheap marketing aim, if you ask me
[03:10] <mae> EasterSunshine, not native ones..
[03:10] <Subvertir> bob2, if that were the case, Opera wouldnt be able to ship dynamically linked binaries, no?
[03:11] <RemyHome> question: is there anyway of starting ubuntu in interactive more ? ie, only select certain services to launch at boot ?
[03:11] <Rack> is it okay to comment out the cd part of the universe in the sources.list?
[03:11] <RemyHome> atm the network service takes AGES to load if I don't have a network cable plugged in..
[03:11] <Razor-X> RemyHome: you can C-c anything you don't ilke at bootup
[03:11] <Rack> will it still pick up the same packages from the network?
[03:11] <EasterSunshine> mae: then you are against qt, not kde
[03:11] <RemyHome> k, thanks Razor-X :)
[03:11] <bob2> Subvertir: opera uses qt, not kde
[03:11] <Subvertir> ahh
[03:11] <mae> EasterSunshine, Qt is too big a part of kde for them to *not* be attached at the hip.
[03:12] <dalamar> Rack, yes, and you wont have to keep putting your cd in ;)
[03:12] <Razor-X> mae: but apps like Opera create the distinction, just as GTK is attached to the hip of Gnome
[03:12] <EasterSunshine> mae: i still find that how kde looks and manages windows and stuff have nothing to do with what libs its native apps use...
[03:12] <Rack> dalamar: cool
[03:12] <mae> EasterSunshine, and i'm not against Qt per se. i'm just saying that due to the GPL license on Qt you _must_ pay Qt if you wanna do anything but GPL-compliant stuff.
[03:13] <Kyral> ...
[03:13] <EasterSunshine> mae: yes, but that hardly involves kde as a desktop manager
[03:13] <Kyral> I hate holy wars
[03:13] <EasterSunshine> mae: shall we take this to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[03:13] <Razor-X> Kyral: why? *gives a Holy Lance to Kyral*
[03:13] <mae> EasterSunshine, this is true, but non-kde apps are fairly ugly.. and really don't fit into the "kde way"
[03:13] <Razor-X> to the death! to the death!!!!
[03:13] <mae> they are ugly ducklings :)
[03:13] <Burgundavia> mae, please take this ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <socomm> GTK is not tied GNOME ....
[03:14] <Razor-X> socomm: and neither is QT, but, offtopic is where to continue
[03:14] <mae> hmm.
[03:14] <Kyral> Holy Lance?
[03:14] <socomm> Seems to me like some of you are just shooting from the hip ...
[03:14] <Kyral> WTF
[03:14] <Razor-X> Kyral: yeahp
[03:14] <EasterSunshine> oops i executed fstab as root...and i didn't get syntax error or anything...
[03:14] <Kyral> Dude, I get NASTY when I get into holy wars
[03:15] <Kyral> I mean banned from channel for a month nasty
[03:15] <Razor-X> die vi users, MUAHAHAHAHA!!!! XD
[03:15] <Razor-X> ok enough of that
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> my fstab is written like a shell script? is that a bad thing?
[03:15] <zukalk> bob2, everytime i try to start kismet, i get this error: FATAL:  Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, unlink() failed: Permission denied
[03:15] <bob2> EasterSunshine: no, it's not a shell script
[03:15] <Razor-X> Kyral: yeah me too :)
[03:15] <mae> hey, i like vi
[03:15] <bob2> zukalk: you need to run it as root...
[03:15] <Razor-X> mae: it's a joke
[03:15] <bob2> zukalk: ie sudo kismet_server
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> bob2: i just executed it and didn't get any errors
[03:15] <Kyral> so its better that I go read CTRL-ALT-DEL
[03:15] <mae> Razor-X, cmon now, you don't think i'm _that_ serious.. do you?
[03:15] <Kyral> EasterSunshine, the fstab ISN'T a shell script
[03:15] <Kyral> its more of a config kinda file
[03:16] <bob2> EasterSunshine: you don't execute it, ever, at all
[03:16] <stizoner> i cant seem to get firefox to open torrents with azureus
[03:16] <Razor-X> mae: mods are breathing on my neck with large assault rifles -- better everyore understands :)
[03:16] <bob2> EasterSunshine: it's a config file
[03:16] <EasterSunshine> i konw...but i executed it accidently and...
[03:16] <Kyral> it just lists where the filesystems are to be mounted
[03:16] <Kyral> File System Table (FSTAB)
[03:16] <zukalk> bob2, FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[03:16] <mae> Razor-X, vi sucks, emacs rules, Long live RMS
[03:16] <Razor-X> Kyral: thanks for that acronym
[03:16] <dicrapi1> hello, i installed ubuntu today and while everything went fine, i just noticed that everytime i log out i cant log in, it just hangs ,wondering if anyone else seen the same
[03:17] <EasterSunshine> in fstab, tabs are okay are whitespace chars?
[03:17] <socomm> Not here.
[03:17] <bob2> zukalk: you obviously need to configure it first
[03:17] <bob2> EasterSunshine: yes
[03:17] <Razor-X> my parents are Hindu and yet I know so little about Hinduism
[03:17] <Razor-X> how sad :)
[03:17] <mae> dicrapi1, have you tried doing in a console as root -> "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:17] <zukalk> bob2, but how? sorry for all these questions
[03:17] <stizoner> thats what i would want for firefox to open torrents automatically right? doesnt work   /home/username/.Azureus/Azureus2.jar
[03:17] <Kyral> someone dig up an example fstab
[03:17] <bob2> zukalk: edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[03:17] <aru> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[03:17] <zukalk> bob2, thanks
[03:17] <Razor-X> zukalk: Kismet's site is really good with it's conf'ing
[03:17] <bob2> zukalk: the sources bit is the important part
[03:18] <dicrapi1> mae: all is up to date
[03:18] <zukalk> Razor-X, bob2, ok
[03:18] <Razor-X> stizoner: use Azureus itself, not the jar file
[03:18] <mae> dicrapi1, i see. well try (ctrl-alt-backspace) to restart the x server. and try loggin in again
[03:18] <reiki> OK... here's one for ya. I been slogging away at getting a filter in Evolution that would pipe mail through SpamAssassin. Well I did it, BUT... if you use Evolution AND if you turn on Junk mail filtering AND if you have SpamAssassin installed... it'll USE SpamAssassin without you manually creating a filter. I know this from looking at my mail logs with the SpamAssassi filter deleted. It...
[03:18] <reiki> ...STILL uses SpamAssassin.
[03:18] <dicrapi1> tried that and nothing either
[03:18] <mae> hmm
[03:18] <dicrapi1> is really weird
[03:19] <dicrapi1> never seen that before
[03:19] <mae> dicrapi1, does it freeze at the gnome splash screen?
[03:19] <snorks> d
[03:19] <dicrapi1> well it hangs before the splash
[03:19] <stizoner> still lost Razor-X lol
[03:19] <dicrapi1> so i dont get to c the splash
[03:19] <Razor-X> stizoner: there should be a file called ``Azureus'' no?
[03:19] <mae> dicrapi1, whole machine locks up, or just x
[03:20] <dicrapi1> X
[03:20] <stizoner> nope im lookin at the folder, dont see it, unless its a hidden file or something
[03:20] <Razor-X> stizoner: hidden files have the prefix `.'
[03:20] <Razor-X> same with hidden folders
[03:20] <mae> dicrapi1, maybe your X video card driver is buggy.. try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changing the "driver" under the device section to "vesa"
[03:20] <Razor-X> try a simple ls -a in the folder
[03:20] <mae> thats the most generic failsafe way to start x
[03:20] <Razor-X> ls -a | grep '\.'
[03:21] <stizoner> ok got it to show hidden files, still no azureus /me thinks
[03:21] <dicrapi1> nah is good, heres the thing, if i turn the copmputer on everything goes well, i get gdm, login and everything seems fine
[03:21] <mae> then your gonna have to do a /etc/init.d/gdm restart as root
[03:21] <dicrapi1> is when i logout after that and try to log back in
[03:21] <dicrapi1> so is not the card at all
[03:22] <mae> dicrapi1, you can't say that for sure.. perhaps you should peruse the xorg logs
[03:22] <Razor-X> stizoner: try java -jar /path/to/Azureus2.jar foo.torrent
[03:22] <BTJustice> In Kubuntu, I use to be able to right-click on files and edit them as root, but now that options is gone after upgrading to KDE 3.4.2.  How do I get that back?
[03:22] <Razor-X> (that's not a literal path, by the way)
[03:22] <dicrapi1> i guess
[03:22] <zukalk> ndiswrapper - Anything using ndiswrapper is using WINDOWS drivers AND CAN NOT BE USED WITH KISMET.
[03:22] <zukalk> ah hell...
[03:22] <Razor-X> zukalk: yeah, unfortunately
[03:22] <EasterSunshine> putting an entry for an ntfs in my fstab, will i need to set the uid and gid to myself? or even the umask to 0222 ?
[03:22] <mae> dicrapi1, i have an engagement look in the logs, if that  doesn't tell you anything try ubuntu forums and/or wiki/mailing lists
[03:23] <dicrapi1> ill try that
[03:23] <dicrapi1> thx fo rthe help anyways
[03:23] <zukalk> **** linksys for not providing Linux drivers
[03:23] <mae> np
[03:23] <ed__> can anyone tell me how to save a file to an ext3 partition and make it bootable.  It is mounted at /home if that makes a difference
[03:23] <Razor-X> zukalk: look it up on the internet, if it's a Prism chipset, it may have OSS drivers
[03:23] <stizoner> in consol? came up error
[03:23] <Razor-X> stizoner: what's the error?
[03:24] <zukalk> Razor-X, copy that
[03:24] <Ice9> how can I get xine to play kvcds?
[03:24] <ed__> anybody?
[03:24] <stizoner> Unable to access jarfile /path/to/Azureus2.jar
[03:24] <Razor-X> stizoner: ``It's not a literal path''
[03:24] <stizoner> woops
[03:24] <Razor-X> meh :)
[03:25] <Razor-X> substitute /path/to for the real path to the Azureus2.jar
[03:25] <ed__> ?
[03:25] <BTJustice> In Kubuntu, I use to be able to right-click on files and edit them as root, but now that options is gone after upgrading to KDE 3.4.2.  How do I get that back?
[03:25] <Razor-X> (which i'm not gonna bother to Kill/Yank for you, because i'm too lazy :)
[03:25] <black13> the 2.6 kernel used a different way of mounting devices?
[03:25] <stizoner> ok ...  Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[03:25] <Razor-X> Ice9, ed__, BTJustice: hold your horses, if someone knows, then it'll happen
[03:25] <Ice9> how can I get xine to play kvcds?
[03:26] <Razor-X> stizoner: does Azureus work without Firefox
[03:26] <ed__> ok
[03:26] <stizoner> yeah
[03:26] <bob2> BTJustice: try #kubuntu
[03:26] <david__> hi everybody--wanna help a newbee get a digital camera going?
[03:26] <gary> how do i install java on my system
[03:26] <Razor-X> !tell gary about java
[03:26] <stizoner> save em 2 disk manually open them then? k
[03:26] <EasterSunshine> gary: java is in the repos somewhere
[03:26] <Razor-X> stizoner: just open Azureus without a torrent
[03:26] <EasterSunshine> gary: do you know about apt or synaptic?
[03:26] <firez> Ok, so the firefox install dir is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, if I try to maually update and I overwrite that folder do I need to do something else, can I break my ubutu installation?
[03:27] <stizoner> its open
[03:27] <firez> *manually
[03:27] <paulproteus> firez: I would advise against trying to upgrade it manually.
[03:27] <Razor-X> stizoner: how do you run it?
[03:27] <BTJustice> bob2: I am but everyone that uses Kubuntu thinks #Ubuntu is the support channel.  If you use Kubuntu, you should be in #Kubuntu.  If you use Ubuntu, you should be in #Ubuntu.  But it doesn't work that way.
[03:27] <david__> gary:  did you get that?
[03:27] <firez> I know that I can do it with the package manger but I want to learn
[03:27] <bob2> BTJustice: ok!
[03:27] <stizoner> desktop shortcut azureus %U
[03:27] <paulproteus> firez: Okay, then remove the Firefox package and install somewhere else.
[03:27] <bob2> firez: no, you do not evetr overwrite that dir
[03:27] <Razor-X> BTJustice: yeah, I know how that sucks, i'ld help if I actually used the more advanced features of KDE
[03:28] <firez> ok
[03:28] <paulproteus>  /usr/ is for Ubuntu-packaged programs, and /usr/local/ for things you install yourself.
[03:28] <bob2> firez: as I said earlier, use /usr/local/something/ or ~/
[03:28] <Razor-X> stizoner: what does ``azureus'' in a console do?
[03:28] <firez> but I need to remove it first?
[03:28] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: you can ask general questions about (k)ubuntu here but kde specific should be in #kubuntu or #kde cause most of us here use gnome
[03:28] <stizoner> k let me close azureus
[03:28] <bob2> firez: no, leave it alone
[03:28] <stizoner> it opened it
[03:28] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: even though i am on kubuntu and on kde
[03:28] <Razor-X> stizoner: ..........
[03:29] <firez> but I will have 2 different versions, no?
[03:29] <Razor-X> then simply make firefox point to azureus foo.torrent
[03:29] <Nexinarus> Hmm anyone got dvd playback working?
[03:29] <bob2> firez: yes.  leave it alone.
[03:29] <bob2> Nexinarus: lots of people.
[03:29] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: have I seen you on some QB forum somewhere? *thinks*
[03:29] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine: Thanks
[03:29] <jkindy> i am new to linux how do i install aim once it is on the computer?
[03:29] <Nexinarus> yeah Razor-X
[03:29] <firez> ok, thanks and sorry for asking a lot
[03:29] <stizoner> foo?
[03:29] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: sudo apt-get install gaim
[03:29] <apokryphos> jkindy: you should use gaim
[03:29] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: oooh! ooh! can I help you with Ubuntu? it would be my pleasure to a QB RPG great :)
[03:29] <bob2> jkindy: you already have gaim installed
[03:29] <Nexinarus> well, when VLC plays the dvd /media/cdrom it plays the raw vob files, in order...
[03:29] <EasterSunshine> doesn't gaim come with ubuntu?
[03:30] <david__> gaim should already be on your ubuntu machien
[03:30] <cyphase> it does
[03:30] <firez> for some reason my installation only have the 1.0.2 version of firefox
[03:30] <david__> ha
[03:30] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: look for a program called gaim run that, or type in `gaim -n` in a shell
[03:30] <jkindy> ok thanks ....were is it in this OS
[03:30] <stizoner> jkindy, there is no aim but theres programs like gaim does aim and msn, yahoo... all of them
[03:30] <cyphase> it comes with the CD
[03:30] <bob2> firez: so, you could savea ton of time by just telling apt to go get 1.0.6 from the security archive
[03:30] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: in Open Disc, correct? :(
[03:30] <david__> under application
[03:30] <apokryphos> jkindy: either from the menu or from alt+f2 -> gaim
[03:30] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: sry i don't use gnome, but i beleive there is an application menu at the top left of the screen?
[03:30] <Nexinarus> yeah
[03:30] <Nexinarus> i just installed libdvscss 1.2.9 or something
[03:31] <david__> so ubuntu fails to recognize my digital camera
[03:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: lemme google
[03:31] <Nexinarus> i know i got dvd playback working a few months ago
[03:31] <zukalk> jkindy, just go to Applications > Internet > Gaim Instant Messenger
[03:31] <firez> yes, I just want to learn to install manually
[03:31] <openback> hi, I was wondering what I need to apt-get to get the kernel source?
[03:31] <EasterSunshine> is there a utility that will syntax check my fstab?
[03:31] <jkindy> thanks for the help
[03:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: I think libdvdcss2 might help with that
[03:32] <Razor-X> (not sure though)
[03:32] <Nexinarus> ooh
[03:32] <Razor-X> it should be available in backports
[03:32] <Razor-X> !backports
[03:32] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[03:32] <nox> openback, kernel-headers
[03:32] <XandriX> there is a kernel for k6 right ?
[03:32] <Nexinarus> you might be right, Razor-X :D
[03:32] <paulproteus> EasterSunshine: The way I do fstab stuff is, first I mount it the way I want it, then I copy the line from /etc/mtab to /etc/fstab
[03:32] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: :)
[03:32] <nox> openback, im not sure, let me check
[03:32] <paulproteus> That way, the system does my syntax checking for me.
[03:32] <stizoner> thanks for the help Razor-X but i guess ill just open torrents manually till i can figure it out
[03:33] <Razor-X> stizoner: sorry, I don't quite know my way around Firefox
[03:33] <EasterSunshine> paulproteus: wow that is hot!!
[03:33] <openback> nox: yeah, that didn't work
[03:33] <Razor-X> I just wget my torrents, and use my torrent program
[03:33] <nox> openback, why don`t you download a sources from kernel.org ?
[03:33] <stizoner> it only allows paths not commands from what i see
[03:33] <zukalk> backports are evil. if there's something i really *need* that's in the backports, i go fetch the .deb myself. i'll never add backport repos to my sources.list again
[03:33] <synack> lol do torrents take FOREVER for everyone else
[03:33] <Razor-X> stizoner: ``locate azureus'' to find the azureus bin file
[03:33] <openback> nox: I just want to install the nvidia drivers, not build my own kernel
[03:34] <Razor-X> synack: my torrents take about 45 minutes per 220 MB, on average
[03:34] <nox> openback, so "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[03:34] <Razor-X> some much faster, some much slower
[03:34] <aru> !nvidia
[03:34] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[03:34] <vader1102> I use isohunt and get A reasonable speed
[03:34] <synack> razor your lucky
[03:34] <Nexinarus> hmm sorry i have libdvdcss2 1.2.9
[03:34] <openback> nox: oh, that's kept up to date? They just released it about 2 weeks ago
[03:34] <synack> a 1.3gb torrent has taken 3 days so far and i have 600mb
[03:34] <stizoner> filesharing is like marriage synack you only get back what you give
[03:35] <openback> nox: a new one, I mean
[03:35] <aru> synack: is it a legal download? :)
[03:35] <synack> i've uploaded about 800mb...
[03:35] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: hmmmm :(
[03:35] <EasterSunshine> guys: #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:35] <openback> that's why I hate torrents, it's usenet all the way!
[03:35] <synack> what download on torrent is legal besides xandros?
[03:35] <dalamar> thats why you pay a little for good usenet service and dl everything you want with no u/l ;)
[03:35] <aru> synack: then maybe this isn't the right place to ask :)
[03:36] <nox> openback, i saw a howto in www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:36] <synack> any recommendations for good usenets to pay for then?
[03:36] <nox> openback, for the latest nvidia drivers
[03:36] <synack> aru: haha
[03:36] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: but is there any problem with playing the vobs in order? I mean, the menu is a vob too
[03:36] <jkindy> wat are some cool aps you can get for linux?
[03:36] <david__> jkindy
[03:36] <dalamar> newshosting.com is 15 bux a month unlimited with 99% completion and 45 day retention, thats what I use
[03:36] <aru> jkindy: what is it you want to do?
[03:36] <david__> sorry
[03:36] <stizoner> Razor-X, thanx! it was /usr/bin/azureus
[03:37] <Razor-X> stizoner: meh
[03:37] <david__> kstars is pretty cool
[03:37] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: look at synaptic package manager for a list of programs you can install effortlessly
[03:37] <Nexinarus> do i need libdvdplay0 package?
[03:37] <synack> dalamar: thx
[03:37] <jkindy> thanks
[03:37] <Razor-X> !info libdvdplay0
[03:37] <jkindy> were is that
[03:37] <ubotu> libdvdplay0: (portable abstraction library for DVD menus support), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 120 kB
[03:37] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: maybe?
[03:37] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: again, somewhere under the appication menu...under system or something i guess, look around
[03:37] <openback> nox: oh, cool, thanks. I don't knowm, the ubuntu site just confuses me when looking for info, I don't know why!
[03:37] <Razor-X> if you're willing to use mplayer, it's easy to play DVDs
[03:37] <Nexinarus> Yeah theres an issue, most dvd players wait at menus, this just plays past them like they arnt a menu
[03:37] <mrson> alguien puede ayudarme con postgresql??????????
[03:38] <zukalk> ubotu tell mrson about es
[03:38] <david__> any ideas as to what might prevent ubuntu from recognizing a digital camera?
[03:38] <EasterSunshine> like dude man, is it part of all foreign languages to have multiple question marks?
[03:38] <david__> si???
[03:38] <stizoner> where i get torrents requires you have a good share ratio, so everything downloads super fast Your Share Ratio: 0.99  Uploaded: 456.07 GB  Downloaded: 461.29 GB
[03:38] <Razor-X> !find libdvdnav
[03:38] <stizoner> doh! off topic sorry, lol
[03:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libdvdnav' (2 shown): libdvdnav-dev ;; libdvdnav4.
[03:39] <synack> stizoner what speed do you usually get?
[03:39] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: try libdvdnav4
[03:39] <zukalk> EasterSunshine, not really
[03:39] <Nexinarus> ok
[03:39] <stizoner> get 3 torrents at a time usually... full line speed 500kB/s
[03:39] <EasterSunshine> zukalk: ok thx for informing me. i am now twice as educated about foreign languages
[03:39] <Razor-X> stizoner: that's a sad line speed
[03:39] <zukalk> EasterSunshine, good to see you're making progress
[03:39] <Razor-X> I get 1 MBit, and we pay the bare minimum
[03:40] <EasterSunshine> razor-x: 500 kb/sec is more than 1 mbit by a lot
[03:40] <stizoner> yeah
[03:40] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: errr, I misread
[03:40] <Nexinarus> i get 10MBit but i pay out of my ass, at a university
[03:40] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: how goes the QB'ing? :)
[03:40] <Nexinarus> mmm im using c++/freebasic now heh
[03:41] <Razor-X> I get 1 GB/sec total, my bad
[03:41] <aru> synack: you follow me?
[03:41] <Razor-X> unless my memory's debunked
[03:41] <david__> camera help please
[03:43] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: your computer can write 1 gigabyte to disk per second?
[03:43] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: or should i say, are you an isp?
[03:43] <Ksilebo> Hello, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience setting up ubuntu as an IPv6 router?
[03:43] <david__> yow-zah!
[03:43] <ofer0> maybe the fastest SCSI can write that fast
[03:44] <troy14> hello all
[03:44] <david__> hi
[03:44] <zukalk> hi
[03:44] <troy14> can someone help me reset my video?
[03:44] <bob2> maybe if it was a 10 disk RAID-0 array
[03:44] <troy14> i am using 5.04
[03:44] <david__> troy:  reset to what?
[03:44] <stizoner> solid state storage
[03:44] <troy14> i dont know. for some reason, now it boots and the display is all distorted.
[03:44] <troy14> bios is ok
[03:45] <troy14> i just want ubuntu to redetect my video setup
[03:45] <ofer0> bob2 -> the IDE cable can transfer 133MB/s only in theory. in reality it can transfer much less
[03:45] <david__> troy:  so the start-up messages display fine?
[03:45] <troy14> right
[03:45] <bob2> ofer0: yes, I know
[03:45] <troy14> the card is ok
[03:45] <david__> hmm
[03:46] <troy14> i have is booted, then hit ESC so that I have a grub> now
[03:46] <troy14> but where do I go from here?
[03:46] <dalamar> how much can a sata cable transfer /s?
[03:46] <troy14> <- kinda new to ubuntu
[03:46] <david__> same here
[03:46] <stian> any good html editors in abuntu? ..
[03:46] <ofer0> dalamar, 150MB/s in theory
[03:46] <david__> troy:  what was the last thing that you did?
[03:46] <troy14> stian, try quanta plus
[03:47] <troy14> david_ I have no idea why it did this... it was a normal reboot
[03:47] <dalamar> so it isnt a huge difference theory wise but most likely the sata will go faster than ide?
[03:47] <ofer0> stian -> i like screem. i just love it!
[03:47] <ofer0> stian -> sudo apt-get install screem
[03:48] <stian> thanks
[03:48] <ofer0> dalamar, the SATA is much faster in reality
[03:48] <stizoner> drives dont go fast enough to take advantage of sata yet
[03:48] <troy14> dalamar, i use striped raid with two of WD's Raptor drives, and they are bloody fast.
[03:48] <ofer0> dalamar, my hd, WD 160GB 8MB Buffer, transfers something like 30MB/s
[03:48] <jkindy> srry but i cant find that package manager ...is there something i am missing
[03:48] <vader1102> the drive will only go as fast as your slowest drive
[03:49] <troy14> Photoshop opens in about two seconds in WinXP
[03:49] <stizoner> ofer0, you should mess with hdparm then
[03:49] <dalamar> i thought so, its all the rage now heh .. can't wait till the paycheck comes next fri so I can pickup a new sata 160gb .. 50 bucks! ;)
[03:49] <troy14> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd?, right?
[03:49] <ofer0> stizoner, when ill now what im doing :) hdparm can damage hardware
[03:49] <troy14> david__ any ideas on what happened?
[03:50] <stizoner> maxtor 160gb 8mb cache ata133 and maxtor 250gb 16mb cache ata133, hooked up to a promise fastrack controller
[03:50] <david__> jkindy:  system > administration > Synaptic
[03:50] <david__> troy:  uhh...did you reboot again?
[03:50] <jkindy> thanks
[03:50] <EasterSunshine> you guys and your crazily big disks. i have 8 gigs here
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: disks are worth $SFA
[03:50] <stizoner> i have movies that are 8gb so
[03:51] <troy14> david__ yeah... this all happened on Friday
[03:51] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: $sfa?
[03:51] <dalamar> I have 40 and once upon a time that was enough ;)
[03:51] <david__> troy:  i'm not sure what to tell you
[03:51] <dalamar> now i wanna keep  the OS/programs on the 40 and use a new 160 for storage heh
[03:51] <ofer0> i have 2xWD1600JB RAID0
[03:51] <david__> any help for troy?
[03:51] <troy14> EasterSunshine, I have a SuSE server here at the house with over 800 GB of storage... mostly mp3's...
[03:51] <david__> or me, for that matter?
[03:52] <EasterSunshine> troy14: stop making fun of me =/
[03:52] <troy14> what was your problem, david__
[03:52] <EasterSunshine> troy14: i don't get enough allowance to buy new hdds
[03:52] <stizoner> troy open up hdparm.conf and read it, i cant remember off the top of my head, its just setting somehting to 16 and dma on
[03:52] <ofer0> troy -> 800GB of MP3s ? yeah, right
[03:52] <stizoner> is plenty safe
[03:52] <jkindy> anyway to get airsnort on here
[03:52] <david__> ubuntu doesn't recognize my camera
[03:52] <stizoner> just uncomment whats there and change it to meet your needs
[03:52] <troy14> ... im not making fun. mp3's take alot of space when you have them all loaded on one computer to stream on them interwebs. :)
[03:52] <david__> nothing happens when i plug it in
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> USB ?
[03:53] <troy14> david__ what kind of camera do you have?
[03:53] <EasterSunshine> troy14: 800 gigs of mp3s? do you listen to even 1 gig of them? that is a massive waste of internet bandwidth and costs everyone needless money and time, unless you are like a usenet server or something
[03:53] <nomasteryoda|w> stizoner, try man hdparm
[03:53] <david__> yes, usb
[03:53] <david__> canon powershot pro 1
[03:53] <stizoner> stupid question but.. did you turn it on david__ ?
[03:53] <troy14> did you try the PPTP class driver like is found in digikam?
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> you tried the program camorama?
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> sudo apt-get install camorama
[03:53] <nomasteryoda|w> EasterSunshine, er, if its local on his network it only uses his bandwidth
[03:53] <troy14> my canon was recognized fine in even older versions.
[03:53] <dalamar> lol i saturate the bandwidth I have daily, I'm paying for it thats the point
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> sudo apt-get install video4linux
[03:53] <david__> yes, the camera is on
[03:54] <EasterSunshine> nomasteryoda|w: i'm talknig about when he downloaded it
[03:54] <stizoner> mine shows a usb stick icon on the desktop, and i open it and just get my pics outa it
[03:54] <nomasteryoda|w> oh yea
[03:54] <david__> hmm
[03:54] <david__> nothing happens on the desktop
[03:54] <nomasteryoda|w> well my 60gb of mp3s are all from my collection of CDs and albums ... took some time, but it's my collection
[03:54] <theeil> what's the plugin rhythmbox needs for mp3s? is it the gstreamer one?
[03:54] <david__> do i have to have kde to make digikam work?
[03:54] <EasterSunshine> nomasteryoda|w: that's like downloading all versions of all distros of all *nix oses and putting is somehwere where no one ever uses them
[03:54] <troy14> EasterSunshine, I have them all on a program called ampache, and no matter where I go (work) I can listen to the music when I want. So can everyone else that has an account :)
[03:55] <nomasteryoda|w> troy14, Ampache rocks
[03:55] <troy14> Plus I use it so when I dj out, others can browse the collection and request what they want.
[03:55] <nomasteryoda|w> i have it too
[03:55] <EasterSunshine> troy14: ok, thats ok then, if you had all that for yourself, then that would be conceited
[03:55] <jkindy> any good p2p programs ?
[03:55] <nomasteryoda|w> setup wirelessly
[03:55] <troy14> david__ no... I use digikam in gnome
[03:55] <EasterSunshine> troy14: i am guilty for having 200 megs of mp3s
[03:55] <david__> okay
[03:55] <dalamar> naw, you can never have enough ;)
[03:55] <nomasteryoda|w> hey, rip burn sell
[03:55] <paulproteus> theeil: Yes, gstreamer one.
[03:56] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: limewire and azureus are in the repositories
[03:56] <stizoner> amule
[03:56] <troy14> EasterSunshine, I still have alot of mp3's to load, and I let friends use space for storage when they need it. It is easy for them to connect and transfer to.
[03:56] <jkindy> will they be easy to install with little linux experience
[03:56] <EasterSunshine> !info ampache
[03:57] <synack> this is a completely off topic stupid question, but how come i can't msg in the freenode channel?
[03:57] <theeil> does ubuntu come w/ java installed or is there (one of them GPL problems)
[03:57] <synack> #freenode Cannot send to channel
[03:57] <troy14> ampache is the program I use. I looked at mp3act.net, but he ripped the code from ampache and added some javascript.
[03:57] <dalamar> is your nick registered synack ?
[03:57] <EasterSunshine> synack: maybe you don't have voice and it is moderated, or maybe you have a +q in there
[03:57] <synack> +q ?
[03:57] <aru> whats the default font in gnome on ubuntu?
[03:57] <EasterSunshine> aru: bitstream vera sans?
[03:58] <dalamar> synack, its like someon muting you, giving you a 'quiet'
[03:58] <EasterSunshine> i konw i have +q on most of teh big channels here on freenode
[03:58] <david__> jkindy:  have you looked at ubuntuguide.org?
[03:58] <synack> why is that?
[03:58] <troy14> does anyone here think they can help me reset my video?
[03:58] <stizoner> jkindy, open synaptic, thats how you install/uninstall everything in linux, check everything in the repository list in its options, refresh packages, search for amule and limewire, right click on them install... thats it
[03:58] <EasterSunshine> david__ please do not refer anyone to ubuntuguide
[03:58] <dalamar> synack, channel ops can give you that if they dislike what your talking about
[03:59] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell david__ about ubuntuguide
[03:59] <Nexinarus> !info ubuntuguide
[03:59] <dalamar> ubuntuguide still has good info regardless
[03:59] <synack> lol but i've never been in the freenode channel before...
[03:59] <dalamar> its still on the wiki as a 'you should go here' site
[03:59] <nomasteryoda|w> synack, someone may have used that nick before
[03:59] <Nexinarus> ubotu tell Nexinarus about ubuntuguide
[04:00] <stizoner> its justa bunch of nerds and wanabee nerds, welcome
[04:00] <synack> o yea good point yoda
[04:00] <nomasteryoda|w> ty
[04:00] <synack> is there anyway to modify your handle for different channels?
[04:00] <nomasteryoda|w> sure
[04:00] <nomasteryoda|w> xchat is easy
[04:00] <jkindy> what is rpm,tgz etc..?
[04:00] <troy14> Easter
[04:00] <NoHope> hello all again
[04:01] <wsmith> synack if you are using xchat, you can open two server tabs
[04:01] <nomasteryoda|w> jkindy, file packaging
[04:01] <troy14> EasterSunshine, can you help with my video issue?
[04:01] <wsmith> jkindy packages (like zip)
[04:01] <stizoner> archives
[04:01] <bob2> synack: the channel is +m, only people lilo gives +v to can talk in there
[04:01] <EasterSunshine> troy14: sry, i don't crap about video in ubuntu
[04:01] <jkindy> how do u un zip then
[04:01] <NoHope> hey, I`m trying to install gtk 2.8 but first I have to remove gtk 2.6... how can I remove all?
[04:01] <bob2> synack: shiwch is fine, since the channel is fairly unimportant, unless you want to report abuse
[04:01] <wsmith> jkindy tar/tgz => tar, rpm => rpm
[04:01] <bob2> NoHope: why are yo utrying to do that?
[04:01] <salvius> help...  my battery charge monitor isn't working (unknown time)
[04:01] <david__> what is ubotu?
[04:01] <synack> o well
[04:01] <stizoner> jkindy, this is linux not windows, you dont download stuff from websites to install
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> jkindy, depends on the system... rpms on redhat, fedora and suse... deb for ubuntu.debian
[04:02] <aru> !ubotu
[04:02] <EasterSunshine> david__: #ubuntu's bot
[04:02] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:02] <NoHope> bob2 because when I ./configure gtk 2.8, it ask me to remove gtk first
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> stizoner, yea
[04:02] <jkindy> then how do i get limewire?
[04:02] <bob2> NoHope: *why* are you installing gtk 2.8?
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> sudo apt-get install limwire
[04:02] <jtan325> caiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiro
[04:02] <aru> ubotu knows all
[04:02] <ubotu> aru: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:02] <aru> see
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> in a terminal jkindy
[04:02] <bob2> NoHope: you should be installing it to /usr/local/gtk2.8/ or something
[04:02] <NoHope> bob2 to run anjuta 2, glade 2.10 and screem
[04:02] <stizoner> you learn about synaptic and apt-get
[04:02] <wsmith> synack you can use the archive manager too
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> !apt
[04:02] <ubotu> it has been said that apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[04:03] <NoHope> jkindy, isn`t there limewire in apt-get?
[04:03] <david__> so, can ubotu help me with my camera?
[04:03] <NoHope> bob2, do you know someway with apt-get or aptitude?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> !ubotu camera
[04:03] <ubotu> nomasteryoda|w: Are you on ritalin?
[04:03] <jkindy> would love to no were apt-get its
[04:03] <EasterSunshine> NoHope: yes its not in the defualt repos though, you need to add some
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> LOL
[04:03] <bob2> NoHope: not unless you want to use breezy
[04:03] <bob2> good god
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> jkindy, right click the desktop, choose terminal
[04:03] <bob2> please tell me no one has backport gtk 2.8 to hoary
[04:03] <stizoner> actually there isnt limewire, i just looked
[04:04] <salvius> help...  my battery charge monitor isn't working (unknown time); if anyone is able to shed some light on this, I'd greatly appreciate it
[04:04] <david__> !ubotu camera
[04:04] <NoHope> jkindy, listen to EasterSunshine... you have to add another repository. Do you know how?
[04:04] <ubotu> david__: Are you on ritalin?
[04:04] <jkindy> no
[04:04] <stizoner> i got all repositorys enabled and backports...
[04:04] <david__> ubotu:  no, why do you ask?
[04:04] <nomasteryoda|w> type "sudo apt-get update" then sudo apt-get install limewire
[04:04] <ubotu> I don't know, david__
[04:04] <stizoner> no limewire so...
[04:04] <david__> ha
[04:04] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell jkindy about repos
[04:04] <wsmith> !file-roller
[04:04] <ubotu> wsmith: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:04] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: follow those directions and if you get stuck somewhere along the line, ask in the channel
[04:04] <nomasteryoda|w> stizoner, maybe in Universe or multiverse?
[04:04] <NoHope> bob2, I`m sorry, my English is not so good and I couldn`t understand "Brezzy"
[04:05] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: once you have added those repos, you should be able to apt-get install limewire or whtaever you were trying to install
[04:05] <stizoner> got those enabled nomasteryoda|w
[04:05] <david__> ubotu camera
[04:05] <ubotu> david__: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> yea, i just looked myself
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> not there
[04:05] <Wanderer_> Can someone please help me? I'm just about ready to give up on Ubuntu entirely.
[04:05] <david__> ubotu tell me about cameras
[04:05] <Nexinarus> sure Wanderer_ ask away
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> Wanderer_, don't ask to ask... just ask
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> we'll try our best
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> =)
[04:06] <NoHope> so is not possible to remove gtk from ubuntu?
[04:06] <troy14> i would still like information on how I can have ubuntu redetect my vdeo config
[04:06] <paulproteus> troy14: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <EasterSunshine> troy14: do you about xorg.conf?
[04:06] <troy14> can i do that from the grub>
[04:07] <NoHope> troy14 have you tried xorgconfig?
[04:07] <jkindy> went in to terminal and it said it could not unlock the admin files
[04:07] <troy14> no, because I dont know what I am doing
[04:07] <Wanderer_> I need to know what (and where) code to insert in the xorg.config file to make it recognize other screen resolutions.
[04:07] <nomasteryoda|w> jkindy, did you type "sudo"
[04:07] <troy14> i am trying to teach myself linux
[04:07] <jkindy> yeah
[04:07] <NoHope> troy14, Have you started X yet?
[04:08] <nomasteryoda|w> jkindy, do you have synaptic open?
[04:08] <salvius> Wanderer: have you tried xorg autoconfigure them?
[04:08] <jkindy> yeah
[04:08] <nomasteryoda|w> well, you can search in there too
[04:08] <skullhead> dos any one no wat it means when you have foe rows of multipul lines going across on your screen mean?
[04:08] <ubuntu> can ubuntu read my winxp files like knoppix did??anyone??
[04:08] <damnhil> how do I change the default login manager?
[04:08] <nomasteryoda|w> but it should be closed before running apt-get
[04:08] <damnhil> how do I change single click on desktop icons to double click?
[04:08] <NoHope> ubuntu, yes. Can you "see" your windows partition?
[04:09] <dbernar1> skullhead: I suspect you may have to say it in english to get help.
[04:09] <NoHope> damnhil, try Preferences of Gnome.
[04:09] <troy14> no
[04:09] <NoHope> damnhil, or Nautilus Preferences.
[04:09] <troy14> ho hpoe, I was at grub> after hitting esc during boot
[04:09] <damnhil> NoHope, I am using KDE
[04:10] <NoHope> so go to shell and type xorgconfig . You will start the wizard to configure your video.
[04:10] <troy14> how do I get to shell?
[04:10] <NoHope> damnhil, uhm... I don`t use KDE... try #kubuntu
[04:10] <EasterSunshine> troy14: type /bin/bash in a shell
[04:10] <Ex-Cyber> I have an ethernet connection to my LAN, but my Internet connection is dialup... how should I: 1) stop init from trying to sync to ntp.ubuntulinux.org at boot  2) make the ppp connection override eth0 as the default route?
[04:10] <dbernar1> skullhead: or perhaps a screenshot would do.
[04:10] <NoHope> troy14, are you on grub? What happen if you type <enter>?
[04:10] <troy14> even though I can't boot the system?
[04:11] <troy14> grub>
[04:11] <troy14> that is where I am at
[04:11] <troy14> I hit ESC and then hit "c"
[04:11] <skullhead> how o you do one i just put ubuntu in to my comp
[04:11] <dbernar1> !paste
[04:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[04:11] <NoHope> troy14, put under "ubuntu" option and press enter
[04:11] <jkindy> ok i am in terminal and i updated apt-get and then typed in sudo apt-get.....were do i go from there
[04:11] <dbernar1> sorry
[04:12] <EasterSunshine> jkindly what do you want to install?
[04:12] <jkindy> limewire
[04:12] <troy14> what nohope?
[04:12] <dbernar1> skullhead, look at the places menu, I think it is there.
[04:12] <EasterSunshine> guys, what is limewire called in the repos?
[04:13] <troy14> I rebooted so that the menu is up and it wants me to choose what to do
[04:13] <NoHope> troy14, if you can enter linux, you can run xorgconfig
[04:13] <dbernar1> skullhead: that paste link above allows for screenshots.
[04:13] <troy14> if i hit "c" then I will go to "grub>"
[04:13] <NoHope> troy14, but I see you can`t, right?
[04:13] <dbernar1> EasterSunshine: no limewire in the repos. On their site.
[04:13] <EasterSunshine> *gasp*
[04:13] <apokryphos> !limewire
[04:13] <ubotu> I guess limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:13] <troy14> I can go to the grub> prompt, but I can't boot into the gui because the display is not right
[04:13] <NoHope> grub has many options, one of them are "Ubuntu Linux blabalbla....", right?
[04:14] <NoHope> before press c
[04:14] <dbernar1> !ask the bot
[04:14] <ubotu> it has been said that ask the bot is to get information about common things, try asking me, the bot. You can private message me if your nick is registered(/msg NickServ HELP REGISTER) you can private message me, by using /msg ubotu mp3, for example.
[04:14] <jkindy> were else could i get it then
[04:14] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: sry, limewire wasn't in the repos, but updating your souces.list is something you would have had to do sooner or later, so its all good
[04:14] <troy14> it says ubuntu, kernel 2.6... and also a listing for "recovery mode"
[04:14] <troy14> and a memtest86+
[04:15] <NoHope> yap... use the arrow key and chose Ubuntu kernel 2.6 and press enter.
[04:15] <skullhead> i dont think you can see it on the screenshot
[04:15] <funkyHat> is there a way i can use the aoss wrapper with skype to make it use my secondary soundcard?
[04:15] <dbernar1> skullhead: dont think too much.
[04:15] <dbernar1> determine.
[04:15] <salvius> help...  my battery charge monitor isn't working (unknown time); if anyone is able to shed some light on this, I'd greatly appreciate it
[04:16] <troy14> when I hit enter and it tried to boot into ubuntu, I get the same distorted screen
[04:16] <skullhead> ya i just started using linux so im still trying to learn it more
[04:16] <NoHope> ah... try Ctrl+Alt+F2
[04:16] <ero-sennin> where does xmms install itself? i wanna put in some new skins, but don't know where to put them
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> what is ubuntu's default terminal emulator?
[04:16] <dbernar1> skullhead: cool, quite a bit to learn, take it one step at a time.
[04:16] <ero-sennin> i looked in /usr/share/xmms/ but no skin folder
[04:16] <apokryphos> ero-sennin: tip: don't use xmms
[04:16] <ero-sennin> do i put a skins folder in there?
[04:17] <ero-sennin> don't?
[04:17] <ero-sennin> :-/
[04:17] <apokryphos> ero-sennin: yes, it's lame compared to others, really.
[04:17] <ero-sennin> i c ic
[04:17] <skullhead> is there any easy way to install programs on ubuntu?
[04:17] <ero-sennin> i should stick with rythm box then
[04:17] <ero-sennin> :-/
[04:17] <apokryphos> skullhead: indeed. Synaptic.
[04:17] <Nexinarus> what do you use, if not xmms, apokryphos?
[04:17] <apokryphos> ero-sennin: personally I prefer amarok and juk
[04:18] <reiki> skullhead: you can use Synaptic or you can install with aptitude
[04:18] <dbernar1> skullhead: ask the bot about synaptic
[04:18] <Nexinarus> ok
[04:18] <ero-sennin> is juk gnome?
[04:18] <ero-sennin> or kde?
[04:18] <paulproteus> ero-sennin: I use quodlibet (which I got from breezy).
[04:18] <apokryphos> both kde
[04:18] <ero-sennin> doh
[04:18] <skullhead> ok
[04:18] <salvius> skullhead: synaptic, or command line apt are kings; it's what makes me use Linux, frankly
[04:18] <paulproteus> Sometimes I use the lightweight beep-music-player.
[04:18] <ero-sennin> ill have to install kde libs
[04:18] <apokryphos> ero-sennin: why? You can run kde apps in gnome
[04:18] <ero-sennin> :-/
[04:18] <c0rrupt_> `
[04:18] <apokryphos> ero-sennin: are you low on diskspace?
[04:18] <ero-sennin> umm...not really
[04:18] <ero-sennin> i got an 9 gig
[04:19] <ero-sennin> and i already got like 6 gigs taken
[04:19] <ero-sennin> :-/
[04:19] <NoHope> troy14, could you?
[04:19] <yufada> hai
[04:19] <ero-sennin> oi oi
[04:19] <troy14> I am working on it...
[04:19] <reiki> skullhead: I've been on Ubuntu for a week now almost. I haven't missed anything about WinXP so far. It's *different* but not *difficult*
[04:19] <EasterSunshine> hey whatever happened to installing linux is such a way so that it only takes 4 megs of diskspace?
[04:19] <NoHope> troy14, are you on shell now?
[04:19] <nomasteryoda|w> reiki, well congrats
[04:19] <troy14> it doesnt like the wireless microsoft optical desktop elite pro kb, so I had to change it... was on a kvm
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: that's for embedded devices
[04:20] <nomasteryoda|w> troy14, my suse didn't like that keyboard either
[04:20] <skullhead> so i just search synaptics on google or sme thing or do they have it on the ubuntu web site or is it included allready on the software
[04:20] <salvius> so can anyone help me figure out why the battery monitor isn't working...?  It's the final hurdle (had problems with display and broadcom, but that's solved) for Ubuntu
[04:20] <salvius> skullhead: just search for the software inside synaptic
[04:20] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: just out of curiosty, what is that absolute smallest to install linux with a desktop manager?
[04:20] <reiki> nomasteryoda|w: thanks :). I've actually used other linux distros briefly here and there. This is by far the easiest and friendliest
[04:20] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: you just sounded like you knew
[04:20] <troy14> right, and i am using a linksys kvm to boot
[04:20] <nomasteryoda|w> yes it seems to be true
[04:20] <esc_ape> does anyone use alltray?
[04:20] <nomasteryoda|w> ubuntu is a good thing
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: depends what you want
[04:20] <skullhead> ya i got kind bored and winxp was being a pain in the ass and it was too open
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: space is almost irrelevant
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> the cost of storage is so low
[04:21] <NoHope> Hey! I see it`s not possible to remove gtk from ubuntu!!!
[04:21] <nomasteryoda|w> skullhead, lol
[04:21] <troy14>  i think I might be getting there... soon
[04:21] <NoHope> but I need to remove to install gtk 2.8!
[04:21] <reiki> skullhead: with U
[04:21] <reiki> ouch
[04:21] <NoHope> how could I?
[04:21] <letschatt> how's everyone doing?
[04:22] <troy14> nohpe... did not work
[04:22] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: not when you have a 233 meg hdd!
[04:22] <reiki> skullhead: with Ubuntu installed and you're at the desktop. You click on System -> Administration and then scroll to Synaptic package manageer
[04:22] <troy14> system locks
[04:22] <reiki> wow I can't type for crap tonight
[04:22] <nomasteryoda|w> EasterSunshine, huh?
[04:22] <letschatt> looks like ubuntu has really taken off. i found some good articles on the net to optimize it. i wouldn't mind getting some help though.
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: 233mb hard drive is hard rubbish
[04:22] <NoHope> did you restarted the system?
[04:22] <troy14> tryin to boot recovery mode
[04:22] <troy14> yes
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: considering you can buy a 51mb USB flash disk for $sfa
[04:23] <nomasteryoda|w> HrdwrBoB, dang right on that man... you can get 6gb drive for peanuts
[04:23] <NoHope> try another video card. what is yours?
[04:23] <letschatt> my installation is 1.3 gigs big. how can i make it smaller? how does mine compare to yours guys?
[04:23] <skullhead> ok i got it now lol sorry just making sure dident want to go looking for ome thing in my cmp that wasent there lol
[04:23] <troy14> this is an nvidia
[04:23] <troy14> i think its fx5200
[04:23] <NoHope> troy14, mine too... it must work...
[04:23] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: you keep saying $sfa i dunno what that means, and i don't have enough allowance to buy new hdds
[04:23] <troy14> 128mb
[04:23] <nomasteryoda|w> troy14, good
[04:23] <reiki> letschatt: mine's bigger (it's a guy thing)
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: sweet f all
[04:23] <nomasteryoda|w> troy14, nice card
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: a 1gb hdd is less than $AU10 second hand
[04:23] <NoHope> troy14, I need to go out... talk to Seveas or another Ubuntu expert here.
[04:23] <troy14> i have a slew of ATI, but not much luck on linux with ATi stuff
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> in fact, people will give them away
[04:24] <letschatt> reiki, watch out buddy it might just be swollen :P
[04:24] <NoHope> troy14, try #linux and #hardware too.
[04:24] <troy14> thanks for help, nohp
[04:24] <NoHope> troy14, I`m sorry not to solve your problem. Hope see you fine. Bye!
[04:24] <troy14> root@ localhgost!!!!
[04:24] <reiki> hahaha
[04:24] <nomasteryoda|w> !ubotu tell troy14 about nvidia
[04:24] <troy14> what next
[04:24] <nomasteryoda|w> troy14,  did you get ubotu's message
[04:25] <troy14> what?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda|w> in another tab
[04:25] <letschatt> did anyone find a corefonts repository?
[04:25] <reiki> HrdwrBoB: I just got a WD 160GB after rebates ... $39 :)
[04:25] <nomasteryoda|w> !nvidia
[04:25] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[04:25] <troy14> uh nope.
[04:25] <ero-sennin> nvidia blows
[04:25] <ero-sennin> :-(
[04:25] <troy14> !ubotu tell troy14 about nvidia
[04:25] <ero-sennin> it gets all the support :-(
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> ero-sennin, it simply is better...
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> imho
[04:26] <troy14> ok i got it now
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[04:26] <occy> nomasteryoda, hey
[04:26] <ero-sennin> better driver support indeed
[04:26] <troy14> what is the reconfig xorg command
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> that should help ya
[04:26] <ero-sennin> ati pwns on 3dmark though
[04:26] <occy> nomasteryoda, I haven't forgotten about you.
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> occy, hey
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> good
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> people are wondering if we died or something
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> =)
[04:26] <occy> nomasteryoda, sorry, been SUPER busy.  Maybe another week and I'll have my head above water.
[04:26] <occy> heh
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> ok
[04:26] <occy> well
[04:27] <occy> you can still post stuff
[04:27] <occy> :P~
[04:27] <occy> :)
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> so how's ubuntu treating ya
[04:27] <letschatt> anyway my ubuntu is running slower than my. firefox takes a long time make fonts bigger and responds very slowly in opening tabs. i run win 2k dual boot. can anyone tell me what i can do? i've shut of a lot of junk and extra gettys using bum and inittab
[04:27] <occy> ubuntu++
[04:27] <occy> heh
[04:27] <ero-sennin> WOW
[04:27] <ero-sennin> beep > xmms
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> yea
[04:27] <occy> anyway, gotta head to bed.
[04:27] <ero-sennin> 0_o
[04:27] <occy> ero-sennin, beep++
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> occy,  well night man
[04:27] <occy> :)
[04:27] <occy> night gang
[04:27] <ero-sennin> g'nite
[04:27] <troy14> what is the reconfig xorg command2
[04:27] <Tom-W> hello everyone
[04:28] <nomasteryoda|w> ero-sennin,  occy,  setup drupal for our LUG site
[04:28] <nomasteryoda|w> howdy
[04:28] <ero-sennin> NOOO
[04:28] <ero-sennin> no flac supprt
[04:28] <bimberi> troy14: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:28] <ero-sennin> support
[04:28] <Ice9> how can I get xine to play kvcds?
[04:28] <ero-sennin> im ruined
[04:28] <reiki> well... I installed ThunderBird briefly... it doesn't do maildir format...
[04:29] <Tom-W> xine should play vcds (video cd's)
[04:29] <nomasteryoda|w> yea, it should
[04:29] <Ice9> yep it does, I need it to play Kvcd
[04:29] <paulproteus> reiki: I keep all my mail in a local IMAP server.
[04:29] <codecaine> reiki, try balsa
[04:29] <paulproteus> reiki: That way, my MUAs can just all speak IMAP and not worry about things like Maildir.
[04:29] <nomasteryoda|w> Ice9, you mean the kde applet?
[04:30] <Ice9> no, its a mpeg compression
[04:30] <nomasteryoda|w> ohk
[04:30] <Tom-W> sorry i use Gnome, and im not up on K apps.....
[04:30] <salvius> can anyone help with a laptop issue, battery monitor can't detect my battery life?
[04:30] <Ice9> vlc can play it
[04:31] <esc_ape> does anyone use a system tray like alltray?
[04:31] <Tom-W> is the plug-in supported in xine?
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> salvius, does the /boot/grub/menu.lst fiel have a " noacpi " after the kernel??
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> i'd bet that is your culprit
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> esc_ape, i used to
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> not now
[04:31] <salvius> nomasteryoda: i'll check in a sec
[04:31] <troy14> 3ok lets see what happens now
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[04:32] <esc_ape> I cant figure how to make alltray's system tray show
[04:32] <kameron> i'm trying to mount /dev/hda to /mnt/win and it says that /dev/hda is already mounted or /mnt/win is busy.. but neither are true. what's going on?
[04:32] <esc_ape> I can make applications disappear to the tray...but the tray isnt visible
[04:33] <troy14> did not work
[04:33] <troy14> same crap
[04:33] <bob2> kameron: you almost certainly don't want to mount hda
[04:33] <bob2> kameron: do you mean hda1?
[04:33] <salvius> nomasteryoda: such a line does not exist. :(
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> esc_ape, does it have a like gnome or like kde mode>
[04:33] <kameron> bob2 that could be it..
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> troy14,  what is it doing
[04:33] <troy14> can i boot from live cd and k3b the data i want to keep?
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> salvius, er ok
[04:33] <kameron> bob2: yeah, that worked. dang.
[04:33] <troy14> its the same junk on the screen as there was before
[04:33] <salvius> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state shows "unable to read battery status"
[04:34] <esc_ape> I cant tell
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> salvius, i think acpi is not loading
[04:34] <salvius> it's the final hurdle for ubuntu
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> yea
[04:34] <jkindy> how can i move a file on the gnome desktop to the current working dirrectory thru a shell
[04:34] <troy14> use the cp command, jkindy
[04:34] <bob2> mv ~/Desktop/whatever .
[04:35] <troy14> soryr
[04:35] <salvius> nomasteryoda: hmmm...  I did try to change the menu.lst to acpi=on after kernel.  not sure if that works in ubuntu, but it didn't change anything.
[04:35] <ero-sennin> hey anyone know where i install the beep-media-player skins and plugins at?
[04:35] <jkindy> umm cp commands?
[04:35] <ero-sennin> i don't know where ubuntu put it
[04:35] <troy14> cp =copy
[04:36] <jkindy> type that in terminal?
[04:36] <troy14> cp /Desktop/file.ext /home/username/directory
[04:36] <Tom_W> Tom-W and Tom_W is the same person btw.. I do some work on Ubuntu and some on Gentoo :-)
[04:36] <troy14> does that make sense?
[04:36] <jkindy> kinda
[04:37] <troy14> what dir are you in?
[04:37] <salvius> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49045 possibly helps me with the battery problem (possibly...) but I don't know the first thing about kernel patching
[04:37] <kameron> when i try to 'sudo cd folder' it says 'sudo: cd: command not found'.. but sudo works with every other command..?
[04:37] <Tom-W> sudo then password
[04:37] <bimberi> troy14: ubuntu livecd won't have k3b (kubuntu might), but you can burn data CD's with nautilus (the file manager)
[04:37] <troy14> try cd folder, with no sudo
[04:38] <bob2> kameron: because cd isn't a command
[04:38] <bob2> kameron: it's a shell built-en
[04:38] <bob2> er, built-in
[04:38] <troy14> you shouldnt need sudo to change dir
[04:38] <Movplayswithpart> goood afternoon everyone
[04:38] <troy14> afternoon??? where are you?
[04:38] <Movo> northern australia.
[04:38] <kameron> 'bash: cd: /mnt/win: Permission denied'
[04:38] <troy14> ah,,, Kentucky, USA here
[04:38] <troy14> its almost 11pm
[04:38] <bob2> kameron: so, is your real question "How do I mount a ntfs/vfat partition and allow everyoen to read it?"?
[04:38] <codecaine> kameron, it must be ntfs file system
[04:39] <codecaine> kameron, you're going to need umask=0222 i believe in fstab
[04:39] <kameron> sure, let's ask that instead ;)
[04:39] <salvius> yes, almost 11 PM here too.  Going to bed as soon as I figure out the battery problem
[04:39] <troy14> why does it have to be ntfs?
[04:39] <salvius> could be a long night.
[04:39] <Movo> speaking from complete inexperience here, the 128mb swap partition would be...logical and not primary right?
[04:39] <bob2> kameron: umask=000 in the options field in fstab
[04:39] <Tom-W> you can do sudo su -       :))
[04:39] <bob2> Movo: doesn't matter
[04:39] <voltagex> any reason why I can't su to root when I can login as root?
[04:39] <troy14> hey... when I booted the live cd. I get the same video error
[04:39] <jfk303> 3.30 in the morning here in the uk
[04:39] <voltagex> using breezy if you want to warn me against it
[04:39] <Movo> doesnt matter? hrr
[04:40] <bob2> voltagex: what would su'ing to root mean if you were logged in as root?
[04:40] <jkindy> troy how do i know what directory i am in
[04:40] <bob2> Movo: linux doesn't care if it's primary or logical
[04:40] <bob2> jkindy: pwd
[04:40] <Movo> oh okay
[04:40] <troy14> i may have to break out my suse live cd
[04:40] <Movo> heh I had no trouble with the live cd
[04:40] <troy14> i wonder what is going on here
[04:40] <voltagex> bob2: sorry, I mean I'm logged in as voltagex and I can't su to root
[04:40] <biscuit_> NO_IRQS, i keep getting this error when i try to recompile the Linuxant driver, but it keeps giving me that error, how do I fix it?
[04:40] <Movo> worked perfectly
[04:40] <kameron> bob2: any particular spot to add that?
[04:40] <bob2> voltagex: you want 'sudo -s'
[04:40] <bob2> kameron: in the options column, after defaults, I'd assume
[04:40] <troy14> right... my agp might be dying
[04:40] <kameron> bob2: oh, the options field.. uhh, i don't think i have an options colum?
[04:41] <bob2> kameron: yes you do
[04:41] <voltagex> bob2: sudo must be setuid root...
[04:41] <troy14> hmmm
[04:41] <Tom-W> sudo su will take you to your home directory sudo su - will take you to root
[04:41] <kameron> haha, oh damn. i'm so bad at this. i haven't used linux in a year.
[04:41] <bob2> voltagex: and it is setuid, unless you changed it yourself or mounted / as nosuid
[04:41] <troy14> brb
[04:41] <Movo> and the actual OS partition would be after or before the swap one?
[04:41] <voltagex> @bob2: ah, brb
[04:42] <bob2> Movo: doesn't matter
[04:42] <Movo> odd
[04:42] <bob2> Movo: putting swap in the center of the platter might be an optimisation
[04:42] <bob2> I don't know if it's measurable or not
[04:42] <Movo> well at least you're more help than the people on my regular server :P
[04:43] <lancellor> does anyone know how to get the window decoration for mac on gnome???
[04:43] <troy14> trying to boot from suse live cd
[04:43] <bob2> oftc would be the only other useful irc server for general FS projects
[04:43] <troy14> (dvd)
[04:43] <troy14> no video error
[04:43] <kameron> bob2: /dev/hda1 isn't listed in fstab, can i add it? i don't know exactly what to put in each column, i'm just kind of guessing.
[04:44] <Movo> linux ext2 and just a label like...I or somesuch?
[04:44] <bob2> kameron: if you want to mount it, you just need to add it, yes
[04:44] <bob2> kameron: copy the lines above and only change the relevant bits
[04:44] <MrPockets> guys
[04:44] <MrPockets> the plug in for video in XMMS
[04:44] <MrPockets> what is it?
[04:44] <troy14> good thing i have 1.5 GB of ram in this beast
[04:44] <Movo> 1.5gb ;_;
[04:45] <bob2> I wouldn't bother using xmms for video
[04:45] <bob2> just use an actual video player
[04:45] <MrPockets> what would you use, is it easy to install, and where do i get it
[04:45] <arcanistherogue> hey, i need help.  how do i share a folder across my network?  i just want to be able to access this folder from my computer running KDE.
[04:45] <juanej> hey ppl, how do i change my screen resolution from console?
[04:45] <bob2> mplayer, yes, from ubuntu
[04:45] <bob2> juanej: why not just use X?
[04:45] <gustavor> is it possible to install flash player from x86 repo on a amd64 hoary install?
[04:45] <MrPockets> apt- get mplayer?
[04:45] <Tom-W> xine or mplayer
[04:45] <kameron> bob2: the relevant bits are almost all the bits. <filesystem> /dev/hda2 <mount point> none <type> ntfs <options>umask=000 <dump> 0 <pass> 0 | does that look about right?
[04:45] <bob2> arcanistherogue: install nfs-kernel-server, edit /etc/exports, restart the server, mount it on the other machine
[04:45] <juanej> bob2, im using xfce
[04:46] <bob2> juanej: so why do you care what res a VT is?
[04:46] <Tom-W> avifile use to be nice back in the day
[04:46] <Movo> doesnt matter if it's ext2 or ext3 and it should be primary?
[04:46] <bob2> kameron: that's not a valid fstab line
[04:46] <juanej> bob2, the resolution tool of xfce doesnt show mine
[04:46] <bob2> Movo: ext3 is fine
[04:46] <arcanistherogue> bob2, would you know how to do it with samba?
[04:47] <bob2> arcanistherogue: install samba.  read smb.conf.  restart. enjoy.
[04:47] <kameron> bob2: i know, it's not formatted to the fstab properly, i just roughly copied it out so you can see what i did.. <filesystem> /dev/hda1, it's not actually written like that, but /dev/hda1 is under the <filesystem> column.
[04:47] <arcanistherogue> k
[04:47] <Tom-W> Totem & Gstreamer are alright video players as well
[04:47] <MrPockets> bob2,  how do i get it?
[04:47] <codecaine> gxine works well
[04:47] <bob2> kameron: just show us the line, no headers
[04:47] <bob2> MrPockets: just install gxine
[04:48] <MrPockets> ...and how do i do that?
[04:48] <Movo> right.
[04:48] <codecaine> sudo apt-get install gxine
[04:48] <Movo> now to save this and reboot, and install.
[04:48] <kameron> okay, sorry. i thought i was making things easier. here it is. "/dev/hda1       none            ntfs    umask=000       0       0"
[04:48] <Movo> more than likely that my comp will explode
[04:48] <factotum> for some reason, the audio is about a half second the video when i play a DVD in totem.  Anyone have any ideas what could cause this?
[04:48] <ray_> hey my power supply gets extremely hot when the computer goes into power save......when i move the mouse and come out of it it is cool again?
[04:48] <MrPockets> e: couldnt find package gxine
[04:48] <codecaine> factotum, i had same problem i just use gxine now
[04:49] <codecaine> mrhuggy, you need to enable universe repos
[04:49] <ray_> MrPockets: its xine-ui
[04:49] <bob2> kameron: you need to specify a mountpoint
[04:49] <gustavor> is it possible to install flash player from x86 repo on a amd64 hoary install?
[04:49] <codecaine> MrPockets, you need to enable universe
[04:49] <kameron> bob2 okay.
[04:49] <Tom-W> run Synaptic and enable (Universe) and you can find lots of nice programs
[04:49] <Movo> thanks for your help.
[04:49] <bob2> kameron: and, as I said, defaults,umask=000
[04:49] <kameron> bob2: okay.
[04:50] <MrPockets> codecaine  and how?
[04:50] <juanej> :S
[04:50] <factotum> i checked the dvd drive to make sure everything was enabled with dma and everything, so the drive is moving fast enough
[04:50] <factotum> but there is still something slowing down the sound for some reason
[04:51] <Tom-W> if you want to build a package from source do : apt-get build-dep (program name here)
[04:52] <bob2> factotum: kill esd
[04:52] <Tom-W> then apt-get --build source (program name)
[04:52] <dennis_> guys
[04:52] <dennis_> Does SSH do the same thing VNC would?
[04:52] <bob2> no
[04:52] <c0rrupt_> lawl
[04:52] <c0rrupt_> @chu
[04:53] <bob2> ssh can let you tunnel X over it, tho, so it can help you do remote desktop stuff
[04:53] <dennis_> I have a computer that I need to use but it doesn't have a monitor
[04:53] <dennis_> So I was wondering how I would setup a VNC server on it
[04:53] <dennis_> It has ubuntu on it
[04:53] <juanej> hey i just edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i cant change my refresh rate to 85hz
[04:53] <bob2> dennis_: just use ssh and X forwarding then
[04:53] <dennis_> is there a tutorial or anything on how to get that to work?
[04:53] <kameron> bob2: okay, i have it mounting fine, the problem is i can't get into the directory. i did "sudo su - | cd /mnt/win" and that worked. but i can't do "sudo cd /mnt/win".. how do i allow access to that folder by my user?
[04:54] <beekay> has anyone had trouble getting a 3 in 1 card reader to work on a laptop
[04:54] <Tom-W> if you add a repository do : deb http://source to the repository then do : apt-get update  to update APT's package information
[04:54] <bob2> dennis_: ssh -X user@remoteip
[04:54] <bob2> dennis_: then run whatever programs you want
[04:54] <ray_> hey my power supply gets extremely hot when the computer goes into power save......when i move the mouse and come out of it it is cool again?
[04:54] <dennis_> Hmm
[04:55] <dennis_> Okay Bob2 now I have another question :P
[04:55] <bob2> kameron: as I said, sudo cd is useless
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> ray_: probably turns off the fan
[04:55] <bob2> kameron: show us the exact line from your fstab
[04:55] <dennis_> When installing ubuntu on this computer it could not configure the DHCP shit
[04:55] <dennis_> So I skipped that step and let it finish installing
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> dennis_: is that exactly what it said?
[04:55] <dennis_> Yeah
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> "I can't configure the DHCP shit" ?
[04:55] <dennis_> :P
[04:55] <beekay> lol
[04:55] <dennis_> Something like that :P
[04:55] <ray_> HrdwrBoB: no the fan speeds up.......
[04:55] <ray_> HrdwrBoB: its really loud
[04:55] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: it's the en_ANNOYING locale
[04:56] <kameron> "/dev/hda1       /mnt/win        ntfs    defaults        umask=000       0" it mounts just fine, and i can access the directory by "su -" and then moving into it. but how do i allow access to it for root, and for my user, kameron?
[04:56] <bimberi> lol
[04:56] <dennis_> bob2, how would I find out what network device I have so I can install the corresponding drivers?
[04:56] <bob2> kameron: no, that's wrong
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: knew I recognised it :)
[04:56] <dave> dont u want defaults,umask=000
[04:56] <bob2> 12:49:17 @         bob2 | kameron: and, as I said, defaults,umask=000
[04:56] <bob2> kameron: /dev/hda1       /mnt/win        ntfs    defaults,umask=000 0 0
[04:57] <dave> you need one more 0
[04:57] <kameron> oh, i see what you mean bob2. sorry for the confusion.
[04:57] <NB|Ubuntu> hello
[04:57] <vader1102> well, it is time for bed cos I start a new job this week, have a good week one and all
[04:57] <ukato> i'm having trouble getting my screen resolution to change. i've played with values in the xorg.conf, but nothing is changing
[04:57] <ukato> any ideas?
[04:57] <dave> have u restarted x?
[04:58] <bob2> NB|Ubuntu: what are you planning on doing with it?
[04:58] <NB|Ubuntu> bob2, the nvidia installation I need for MythTV to work requires dpatch to be installed
[04:58] <ukato> dave, yes, multiple times
[04:58] <bob2> NB|Ubuntu: so, sudo aptitude install dpatch
[04:58] <ukato> it seems to be stuck in either 800x600 or 600x480
[04:58] <dave> are u using gnome?
[04:59] <ukato> and everything looks really ugly
[04:59] <ukato> fonts and such
[04:59] <kameron> bob2: okay, now i have fstab set up just like you said, but i still get "Permission denied" when i try to get into the dir.
[04:59] <NB|Ubuntu> unable to find a package whose name or description matched dpatch :-\
[04:59] <ukato> i've tried gnome, but i'm currently on fluxbox
[04:59] <bob2> kameron: did you remount it?
[04:59] <kameron> bob2: yes.
[04:59] <dave> what does it say when u got System->screen resolution?
[04:59] <ukato> this machine is old, so GNOME runs crappy
[04:59] <bob2> NB|Ubuntu: point apt at the inernet
[04:59] <ukato> 800x600
[04:59] <ukato> i couldn't change it
[04:59] <bob2> kameron: paste the output of "mount | grep hda1" here
[04:59] <dave> hmmm i had the same prob
[04:59] <NB|Ubuntu> bob2, it should be... I've been able to get other packages...
[05:00] <dave> i edited xorg.conf and it worked
[05:00] <dave> what lines ahve you out in thre?
[05:00] <bob2> NB|Ubuntu: well, apparently not, since dpatch is in main, but not on the CD
[05:00] <Xenguy> !es
[05:00] <dennis_> ukato
[05:00] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:00] <dave> it should be sumthing about screen1 blah
[05:00] <kameron> bob2: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/win type ntfs (rw)
[05:00] <ukato> dennis_
[05:00] <dave> post it here and ill take a look
[05:00] <dennis_> How do you uninstall gnome and install fluxbox?
[05:00] <NB|Ubuntu> bob2, where should I point it too?
[05:01] <dennis_> I have an old computer as well and it runs gnome like shit :/
[05:01] <ukato> dennis_, gnome is still installed
[05:01] <dennis_> Oh
[05:01] <dennis_> how much room does gnome use?
[05:01] <bob2> kameron: then you didn't remount it
[05:01] <ukato> hard drive space
[05:01] <dennis_> yeah
[05:01] <dennis_> Thats what I mean't
[05:01] <kameron> i unmounted it, then mounted it again. bob2
[05:01] <bob2> NB|Ubuntu: /etc/apt/sources.list, uncomment the main line
[05:01] <ukato> hm
[05:01] <ukato> i don't know
[05:01] <juanej> damn, i edit xorg.conf with my refresh rates but it doesnt seem to work
[05:01] <ukato> i haven't tried uninstalling it
[05:01] <bob2> kameron: "sudo umount /mnt/win ; sudo mount /mnt/win", then show us the output of "mount | grep hda1" again
[05:02] <bob2> it's not that it doesn't work, it's that you misconfigured X
[05:02] <dave> also, ahve a look at "dmesg | tail" as well
[05:02] <bob2> tho it should have been configured properly automatically
[05:02] <juanej> but it doesnt show my refresh rates
[05:02] <ukato> dave, can i PM you
[05:03] <bob2> "show your refresh rates"?
[05:03] <bob2> you mean "It doesn't use the refresh rate I'd like"?
[05:03] <juanej> well my monitor's
[05:03] <juanej> there is 60hz and 56hz
[05:03] <juanej> not 85hz
[05:03] <kameron> bob2: "/dev/hda1 on /mnt/win type ntfs (rw,umask=000)" hmmm, not it's changed. before i was typing "sudo umount /dev/hda1 ; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win" but i guess that is incorrect, why is that?
[05:03] <juanej> do i have to restart gnome or something?
[05:03] <dave> yep
[05:03] <dennis_> juanej, ctrl alt backspace
[05:04] <juanej> ok brb
[05:04] <bob2> kameron: yes, by providing the device and mountpoint, you tell fstab not to look it up in fstab
[05:04] <dennis_> Okay
[05:04] <dennis_> Bob2 im installing ubuntu on this machine right now
[05:04] <kameron> bob2: okay, i understand. it's because i explicitly described where from to mount, etc, in fstab. gotcha.
[05:04] <dennis_> "Your network is probally not using the DHCP protocl. ....."
[05:04] <dave> ukato: yes, PM me ow
[05:04] <dave> now*
[05:04] <bob2> kameron: yup, exactly
[05:05] <kameron> bob2: looks like you're just getting swamped with questions here, i'm sure we all appreciate it, thanks very much for your time and help. : D
[05:05] <bob2> yeah, I should do some work work today
[05:05] <dennis_> Can someone help me manually configure my network within the ubuntu install?
[05:05] <bob2> dennis_: it lets you do that during the install
[05:05] <dennis_> i know
[05:05] <dennis_> "Your network is probally not using the DHCP protocl. ....."
[05:05] <dennis_> I got that during the install
[05:05] <bob2> so set it up manualyl then
[05:06] <dennis_> I don't know the ip address
[05:06] <dennis_> :/
[05:06] <bob2> who's in charge of your network?
[05:06] <dennis_> Me :o
[05:06] <dennis_> This must have been caused by this old hardware
[05:06] <NB|Ubuntu> hm.... well... now when I try to install nvidia-kernel-source, it says that the package is not available, but is referred to by another package...
[05:06] <dennis_> My new machine runs it fine
[05:06] <dennis_> I didn't get any errors when installing either
[05:07] <bob2> dennis_: not having dhcp is not an error
[05:07] <bob2> NB|Ubuntu: so, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:07] <bob2> dennis_: perhaps your cable or nic is broken
[05:07] <dennis_> Will I still beable to access the net without it Bob2?
[05:07] <codecaine> bob2, can you provide link/info on the proc and sysfs for me pls
[05:07] <bob2> dennis_: without dhcp? of course; it's just a system to automatically setup stuff, not the only way.
[05:07] <killfill> hi
[05:07] <bob2> codecaine: I don't know what you mean
[05:07] <killfill> anyone has a wifi card and 5 min to see if my gtk# proggy works?
[05:08] <dennis_> alright thanks
[05:08] <codecaine> bob2, i want to know what the purpose of them is for
[05:08] <codecaine> what role they play
[05:08] <bob2> codecaine: /proc is for information about processes and some basic kernel options.  /sys is for device drivers
[05:08] <jkindy> can u get airsnort on to ubuntu?
[05:08] <bob2> Bear in mind, people, that killfill is probably about to ask you to run a program with root priveleges
[05:09] <NB|Ubuntu> yeah... needed to update...
[05:09] <bob2> so be very sure you know what it will do
[05:09] <bob2> jkindy: sure
[05:09] <codecaine> bob2, why are they mounted with their own file system type?
[05:09] <killfill> heh...
[05:09] <arcanistherogue> hey, how do i restart nfs?
[05:09] <codecaine> bob2, how about devpts?
[05:10] <Whyvas> can you add the freshrpms to the repositories in ubuntu??
[05:10] <bob2> codecaine: because they're provided by different parts of the kernel
[05:10] <bob2> arcanistherogue: sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
[05:10] <bob2> Whyvas: no
[05:10] <killfill> bob2, whats actually right (sudo) ..   but im not doing anything like rm -r /  or thouse kiddy stuff..
[05:10] <bob2> codecaine: for pty devices, afaik, aka pseudo-terminals
[05:10] <killfill> just wilist scan
[05:10] <bob2> killfill: sure, just pointing it out to people
[05:10] <Whyvas> shitty
[05:11] <bob2> Whyvas: no
[05:11] <codecaine> bob2, pts are assigned to you when you get a shell correct?
[05:11] <codecaine> like tty
[05:11] <codecaine> what's the difference?
[05:11] <bob2> can you use sid repositories on Fedora? shockingly, no.
[05:11] <mrjohns> I want to get colony 3 live, I download an iso but it's corrupted, and now the .torrent dont have people sharing it
[05:11] <killfill> http://sofsis.cl/~killfill/GWireless.exe  <--- anyone with wifi can run it?   and tell me if it works?
[05:11] <mrjohns> there are another hosta apart from cdimage.ubuntulinux.org to download it ?
[05:11] <codecaine> mrjohns, i didnt have much luck with col3
[05:11] <bob2> codecaine: ttys are "real" serial terminals, ptys, are things like xterm and ssh
[05:11] <bob2> afaik
[05:12] <codecaine> bob2, thx
[05:12] <mrjohns> codecaine, either me.
[05:12] <Whyvas> is there a nice wifi manager for gnome?
[05:12] <mrjohns> I want to have one with gnome 2.11.90 , which another can I get ?
[05:12] <bob2> mrjohns: why do you want that version of gnome?
[05:12] <codecaine> bob2, is procsys, sysfs required for the kernel to run properly?
[05:12] <killfill> bob2, you got wifi?.. .-)
[05:12] <mrjohns> bob2, to test it..
[05:12] <mrjohns> why?
[05:12] <bob2> codecaine: no
[05:13] <Whyvas> the one that comes with hoary doesn't seem to have WPA support
[05:13] <bob2> killfill: yes, but I'm not running a program from a stranger on irc as root
[05:13] <bob2> especially since they haven't shown us the source
[05:13] <mrjohns> Im using ubuntu since time.. and I dont want to reinstall my hd
[05:13] <codecaine> gtkwifimanager or something like that, it's available on gnome-files.org
[05:13] <mrjohns> so, I decided to use live.
[05:13] <bob2> codecaine: lots of userland programs require it
[05:13] <killfill> heh...
[05:13] <bob2> mrjohns: if you really don't care about trashing your system, just dist-upgarde to breezy
[05:13] <codecaine> bob2, can u define userland?
[05:14] <mrjohns> hmm.. I care about that..
[05:14] <codecaine> lol
[05:14] <bz0b> brb
[05:14] <killfill> http://sofsis.cl/~killfill/GWireless-0.0.3.tar.gz
[05:14] <mrjohns> so, I decided Live version :-D
[05:14] <killfill> thats the ource..
[05:14] <bob2> codecaine: user progras. e.g. emacs, xterm, gnome.
[05:14] <theeil> ok, everything i can think of it really awesome with ubuntu right now but one thing: my virtual terminals (ctrl+alt+F[1-6] ) are off-center
[05:15] <codecaine> any app like that is considered userland?
[05:15] <bob2> codecaine: anything aside from the kernel
[05:15] <codecaine> gotcha
[05:16] <codecaine> bob2, i see so you mean certain programs may use proc to display cupinfo etc..
[05:16] <Whyvas> http://www.gnome-files.org/ dead???
[05:16] <mrjohns> the problem about md5 is with acpi
[05:16] <mrjohns> and the system dont boot, after the failed retry.
[05:16] <bob2> codecaine: yes
[05:16] <killfill> Whyvas, looks so..
[05:17] <cafuego> !themes
[05:17] <ubotu> from memory, themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[05:17] <jbull> Whyvas:  gnomefiles.org is most certainly alive and kicking
[05:18] <cafuego> woo! breezy broke firefox
[05:18] <dennis_> why are you using breezy?
[05:18] <dennis_> :/
[05:18] <cafuego> dennis_: So that I may find bugs and report them?
[05:18] <dennis_> Oh
[05:18] <jbull> heh
[05:18] <dennis_> :P
[05:19] <dennis_> When is breezy going to be officially released?
[05:19] <kameron> whenever i load xmms it crashes fairly quick.. anyone else have this problem?
[05:19] <bob2> october
[05:19] <jsubl2> cafuego, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58758
[05:19] <cafuego> dennis_: october
[05:19] <adam_> hm; I'm trying to install gutenprint v 5.. i did ./configure, make, make install without encountering any problems..but I don't see it from "add printer".
[05:19] <cafuego> 32bit hoary chroot to teh rescue :-)
[05:19] <dennis_> :o
[05:19] <dennis_> Guys
[05:20] <dennis_> I installed the base ubuntu system on this old computer
[05:20] <dennis_> How would I go about installing fluxbox?
[05:20] <theeil> !sound w/ flash plugin in firefox
[05:20] <ubotu> theeil: What?
[05:20] <cafuego> dennis_: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[05:20] <letschatt> can someone please tell me the msttcorefonts repository?
[05:20] <bob2> multiverse
[05:20] <dennis_> cafuego, do I need xorg for fluxbox?
[05:21] <cafuego> dennis_: yep
[05:21] <dennis_> does that come installed with the base system?
[05:21] <dennis_> or no?
[05:21] <ablyss> bob2, you dont sleep much do you ? :)
[05:21] <bob2> I just procrastinate lots
[05:21] <cafuego> dennis_: With the base desktop system yes, not the base server install.
[05:21] <codecaine> bob2, what's the deal with usbfs on /proc/bus/usb?
[05:21] <dennis_> k
[05:21] <cafuego> dennis_: apt-get will pull it in anyway if it's not already installed.
[05:21] <bob2> codecaine: usb specific stuff, from before sysfs existed
[05:21] <bob2> codecaine: bear in mind it's hard for the kernel to expose stuff to userland without a filesystem
[05:21] <codecaine> bob2, so something that's obsolete?
[05:21] <bob2> it's like that or a netlink socket
[05:21] <dennis_> what is the package called cafuego
[05:21] <dennis_> It is not xorg :/
[05:22] <bob2> codecaine: it's not yet, but I think the plan is for it to go away eventually
[05:22] <codecaine> k
[05:22] <cafuego> dennis_: xserver-xorg
[05:22] <dennis_> k thanks
[05:22] <juanej> is there anyway to get rid of gnome?
[05:22] <juanej> i want only xfce as wm
[05:23] <voltagex> how long's apt been using bzip2 for package listings?
[05:23] <cafuego> juanej: Just uninstall it.
[05:23] <kameron> what plugin do i install so rythmbox can read mp3 files?
[05:23] <juanej> cafuego, i want all the apps to stay
[05:23] <codecaine> bob2, i just don't understand the point of the different type of filesystems, why not just use ext3 or w/e?
[05:24] <jbull> kameron:  gstreamer-mad
[05:24] <codecaine> juanej, they're developing ubuntulite.org i believe
[05:24] <kameron> jbull thank you.
[05:24] <bob2> codecaine: because it's not a real filesystem
[05:24] <bob2> codecaine: it's just a way for the kernel to expose a bunch of data to programs
[05:24] <bob2> codecaine: if you did ut using ext3, you'd need a magic /dev/device you could mount
[05:24] <bob2> and that would be even more complicated
[05:24] <bob2> writing a whole new filesystem in linux is a whole lot easier than making a fake device for an existing one
[05:25] <codecaine> agh ok
[05:25] <dennis_> cafuego, do you know the package name of fluxbox
[05:25] <cafuego> mknod -m 644  /dev/bob2 c 108 0
[05:25] <cafuego> dennis_: fluxbox
[05:25] <Wanderer_> Who wants to help the really frusterated user set up his internet? Step right up! Step right up!
[05:25] <cafuego> !info fluxbox
[05:25] <bob2> cafuego: I'm always mode 700, baybe
[05:25] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[05:26] <cafuego> bob2: you wish
[05:26] <juanej> can i use fluxbox + xfce?
[05:26] <jbull> Wanderer_:  what's the problem?
[05:26] <cafuego> juanej: probably
[05:26] <dennis_> It couldn't be found when I did sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[05:26] <voltagex> I'd be 000 then?
[05:26] <cafuego> dennis_: Enable the universe repository
[05:26] <dennis_> Oh thats right
[05:26] <dennis_> Doh
[05:26] <dennis_> Forgot to do that
[05:27] <Wanderer_> I can't get it to set up a dail up connection. It won't even recognize my modem. If my modem is internal, do I specify a port?
[05:27] <damnhil> how do I play mp3 in xmms?
[05:28] <bob2> damnhil: hit play
[05:28] <dennis_> cafuego, is there an easy way to do it ?
[05:28] <dennis_> I don't have a window program setup
[05:28] <bob2> damnhil: perhaps you didn't configure xmms to use esound for output?
[05:28] <freya> hey one question plz, how i can remove the default start graphics mode
[05:28] <damnhil> bob2, No I can play other files , not mp3.
[05:28] <voltagex> oops what did]  I break I can't install kde in breezy
[05:29] <dennis_> I can't copy and paste the stuff into the file as I don't have naything to access the info to copy right now
[05:29] <sambagirl> when i run xmms it does not close when i select to close or terminate it just hangs.
[05:29] <bob2> damnhil: I'm not sure how it's possible to make xmms do that
[05:29] <dennis_> wait
[05:29] <bob2> damnhil: all mp3s or just this one?
[05:29] <sambagirl> yes it does not play mp3
[05:29] <dennis_> bob2, is fluxbox packaged on the ubuntu cd?
[05:29] <Ex-Cyber> Wanderer_: did the modem come with your computer or was it installed later?
[05:29] <bob2> dennis_: doubt it
[05:29] <dennis_> Hmm
[05:29] <dennis_> Okay then
[05:30] <dennis_> How would I install gnome from the cd?
[05:30] <voltagex> err what's stable called?
[05:30] <voltagex> warty?
[05:30] <dennis_> I don't have access to the net right now
[05:30] <Whyvas> damnhil, you need to install the mp3 plugin
[05:30] <dennis_> bob2, how would I go about install gnome from the ubuntu cd?
[05:30] <Ex-Cyber> voltagex: hoary (5.04) is the current stable; warty is the 4.10 stable release
[05:30] <bimberi> voltagex: "hoary" is the current ubuntu release
[05:31] <killfill> bob2, im trying to make this works on linux, wana try it?.. :-)   ...   http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1046
[05:31] <senaroth> dennis_: use the package manager
[05:31] <dennis_> cafuego, how would I install gnome from the ubuntu cd?
[05:32] <cafuego> dennis_: Just insert the cd and boot it
[05:32] <senaroth> its in the menu....somewhere
[05:32] <bimberi> dennis_: gnome is installed by default - or did you do a server install
[05:32] <dennis_> I only installed the base system as I didn't want all the other bullshit
[05:32] <dennis_> Server install*
[05:32] <voltagex> ok
[05:32] <cafuego> dennis_: Ok, do you want the lot, now?
[05:32] <senaroth> o.0
[05:32] <bimberi> dennis_: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[05:32] <voltagex> time to go back to hoary then
[05:32] <dennis_> I don't have net access on this computer though
[05:32] <cafuego> dennis_: install 'ubuntu-desktop'  -that will pull in X and Gnome and all the other stuff.
[05:32] <jkindy> were can i go to look to see how much hdd space i have left?
[05:32] <dennis_> So I have to use the ced
[05:32] <dennis_> CD*
[05:32] <senaroth> aptitude does
[05:33] <senaroth> use the cd
[05:33] <bimberi> dennis_: it shouldn't need the net - unless you've modified your repositories
[05:33] <dennis_> k
[05:33] <dennis_> thanks
[05:33] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: type df into your terminal
[05:33] <bob2> dennis_: install ubuntu-desktop
[05:33] <bob2> killfill: no, sorry, as above
[05:33] <dennis_> k thanks
[05:33] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: or `df -h` should be more readable
[05:34] <killfill> heh..
[05:34] <sam__> hey guys what does "Install flashplugin-nonfree from Debian contrib unstable." mean?
[05:34] <killfill> bob2 have you got bad experiences before?...
[05:34] <bob2> sam__: ignore that
[05:34] <cafuego> sam__: means: go buy some aspirin, you'll need it.
[05:34] <bob2> sam__: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <voltagex> whn I suggested bzipping the huge package listings in #debian everyone was like omfg j00 f00l bzip teh break apt!!!!111one
[05:36] <jkindy> what are some fun apps to mess around with
[05:36] <bob2> pretty sure they weren't
[05:36] <bimberi> omfg :)
[05:36] <bob2> apt has supported it for a while
[05:36] <bob2> but it doesn't help that much, in the scheme of things
[05:36] <voltagex> @bob: I think it was >6months ago when I said that
[05:36] <bob2> apt supported it then, afaik
[05:37] <voltagex> yeah it means the apt-get update I do is 3mb instead of 4+
[05:37] <voltagex> bob2: well whenever it was, apt was still using gzip
[05:37] <bob2> apt still uses gzip
[05:37] <bob2> it just can optionally use bz2
[05:38] <bob2> some stuff still requires bare Packages tho
[05:38] <adam_> hm.. "Printer identification requires using a raw device.".. how do i use this "raw device"??
[05:38] <sam__> i entered in what it said on that website
[05:38] <sam__> but it says cannot find package
[05:38] <bob2> so, you did someting wrong
[05:38] <bob2> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood and someone will tell you waht
[05:39] <sam__> umm im not sure what that is
[05:39] <sam__> I just started linux today sorry :(
[05:39] <senaroth> its a file
[05:39] <sam__> ook
[05:39] <senaroth> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it in to #flood (double click to join)
[05:39] <voltagex> ahhhhhhhhhh I still can't install kde or kubunt-desktop using hoary. What's going on?
[05:40] <bob2> you haven't provided enough information for anyone to guess
[05:40] <Kyral> voltagex, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:40] <senaroth> lol
[05:40] <bob2> at a minimum, your /etc/apt/sources.list and the error from apt to #flood
[05:40] <sam__> ok i think i might have got it
[05:40] <Ummmmm> hiya ... umm I just installed proftpd ... how do I configure it? I don't even know where it's been installed!
[05:40] <bob2> Ummmmm: look in /etc/
[05:40] <senaroth> type whereis proftpd
[05:40] <bob2> that won't help
[05:40] <senaroth> no?
[05:41] <sam__> i posted in flood
[05:41] <bob2> "where it's been installed" is not a useful concept on ubuntu
[05:41] <bob2> since packages spread their files all over the filesystem
[05:41] <voltagex> bob2: stuck at cli so that's a little difficult... says it's not going to install kdesdk or kdeaddons
[05:41] <Kyral> it will locate the binary for him
[05:41] <senaroth> it usually gives the /etc/ location
[05:41] <senaroth> i thought
[05:41] <senaroth> er
[05:41] <senaroth> config file location
[05:41] <bob2> locating the binary is of no use
[05:41] <Kyral> nope
[05:41] <senaroth> as well
[05:41] <senaroth> hm
[05:41] <senaroth> wtf did i do that in then
[05:41] <sam__> shit I have no clue I just am trying to figure out how to install flash player for linux
[05:41] <Kyral> sam__,
[05:42] <Kyral> !ubuntuguide
[05:42] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[05:42] <voltagex> bob2: tell me when you're ready and I'll paste my sources.list in flood
[05:42] <bob2> voltagex: whenever
[05:43] <Kyral> !flash
[05:43] <ubotu> it has been said that flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:43] <Ummmmm> thanks, got it
[05:43] <Kyral> there you go
[05:43] <NetGeek> ubuntuguide is a fine piece of work
[05:43] <Kyral> sam__, go there
[05:43] <voltagex> done
[05:43] <voltagex> !bork
[05:43] <ubotu> voltagex: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:43] <bimberi> sam__: you need to add the multiverse (and universe for good measure) repositories - see here ...
[05:43] <bimberi> !repositories
[05:43] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:43] <voltagex> aww no swedish chef
[05:43] <Kyral> !lart
[05:43] <sam__> ok ill try ty
[05:44] <bimberi> sam__: once that's done the package you're looking for is flashplugin-nonfree
[05:44] <bimberi> sam__: np :)
[05:44] <voltagex> !bork
[05:44] <ubotu> I heard bork is hoooode hoooode schooopedie dooo herdo na herdo na herr bork bork bork!!
[05:45] <voltagex> ;)
[05:45] <Kyral> !lart voltagex stop mssing with the bot
[05:45] <voltagex> ok sorry
[05:45] <Kyral> I think I'm going to bed now
[05:46] <voltagex> but anyway I pasted my sources.list in flood... any deas why I'm getting unmet dependency errors?
[05:46] <jklewis> what's the quick way to reset my synampic sources?
[05:46] <carlinux> can someone tell me how can i put a fast access to my desktop?
[05:47] <carlinux> like to show desktop with windows + d in ubuntu?
[05:47] <ukato> do i have to do anything to get X running properly with a laptop
[05:47] <ian> ukato: nothing special
[05:47] <dracflamloc> hello
[05:47] <carlinux> ian
[05:47] <Gatton> carlinux, you know you can click the icon in the lower left of the panel to do that. as for a keyboard shortcut i don' t know
[05:47] <ukato> ian, ok
[05:48] <carlinux> yes
[05:48] <dracflamloc> is there much difference from 5.04 rc and the final 5.04? or can it all just be upgraded via the online update tool
[05:48] <ukato> i can't seem to get my screen resolution to display properly
[05:48] <amonkey> is there an inverse of hte mp32ogg package? my car stereo won't play oggs :(
[05:48] <dracflamloc> i keep getting disconnected from my 5.04 download
[05:48] <ukato> won't go higher than 800x600 and looks really ugly
[05:48] <carlinux> its a lot better for me to use only the keyborad
[05:48] <carlinux> faster :)
[05:48] <benplaut> where is xmodmap in ubuntu?
[05:49] <dracflamloc> ...?
[05:49] <ian> ukato: what res should it be?
[05:49] <robotgeek> benplaut: /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap
[05:49] <Gatton> carlinux, try CTRL ALT D
[05:49] <ukato> i'd like 1024x768, that's what i used when i had windows running.
[05:49] <jkindy> any fun programs you can get to mess around with
[05:49] <ian> ukato: what laptop is it?
[05:49] <Gatton> you can change it by going to System, Preferences, Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:49] <ukato> but i'd stick with 800x600 if the fonts and such weren't so ugly
[05:49] <carlinux> lets see
[05:49] <Gatton> but that's what mine is by default
[05:50] <ukato> ian, a dell lattitude cpi
[05:50] <carlinux> yes
[05:50] <carlinux> it worked :) tnk
[05:50] <Gatton> np :)
[05:50] <carlinux> do u know where i can change that keys to put them like i want?
[05:50] <Gatton> carlinux, on the menu at top System, Preferences, Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:50] <ian> carlinux: "Gatton: you can change it by going to System, Preferences, Keyboard Shortcuts"
[05:51] <jkindy> wat are some apps to download?
[05:51] <Gatton> it's under Window Management
[05:51] <kameron> nvidia driver on linux, should i grab one from repositories, or straight from nvidia? and, if from repository, which one? nvidia-glx?
[05:51] <Gatton> Hide all windows and focus desktop
[05:51] <ian> jkindy: what kind of apps?
[05:51] <bimberi> !nvidia
[05:51] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[05:51] <kameron> thx bimberi
[05:51] <carlinux> ok im goind to check it, the other thing is when i open a folder it keeps opening a new window ever time i go on
[05:51] <bimberi> yw :)
[05:52] <jkindy> anything fun or intresting
[05:52] <Gatton> jkindy, sudo apt-get install tuxracer  ;)
[05:52] <ukato> so has anyone had a similar problem
[05:52] <carlinux> i would like to use only 1 window do u kwno where i can change that?
[05:52] <Gatton> carlinux, only one window? you mean one workspace?
[05:52] <carlinux> nop
[05:52] <carlinux> in desktop
[05:52] <Gatton> ?
[05:52] <ian> I think he means non-spatial nautilus
[05:52] <geneo93> ubotu catsup
[05:52] <ubotu> geneo93: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:52] <carlinux> i have a folder
[05:52] <kameron> bimberi: yeah, nvidia-glx, i figured that was where to go, but not sure. ubuntu is new to me as of yesterday. i'm an mdk/ydl convert.
[05:53] <carlinux> inside  that folder i have another
[05:53] <hardw1re> ummm.... i just had to reinstall ubuntu... and it didnt ask for a root password... :S how do i find out what the root password is?
[05:53] <carlinux> wen i open the 3 folders i have 3 windows
[05:53] <sam__> oook I downloaded flash-plugin nonfree
[05:53] <bimberi> kameron: ah, k, welcome!
[05:53] <sam__> what I need to do with it?
[05:53] <carlinux> i want to have 1 window
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> congratulations  hardw1re  you just asked a FAQ. :P
[05:53] <sam__> to make the command apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree work?
[05:53] <hardw1re> yeah i know :|
[05:53] <geneo93> ubotu gimme money
[05:53] <ubotu> Wish i knew, geneo93
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> you use sudo and the initial users password.
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:53] <benplaut> robotgeek, not finding it... seems to be an official package for it in synaptic, i'll see if that helps
[05:53] <hardw1re> asked me the 1st time i installed it last sunday night
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. wait a sec...
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> what do ya mean by 'reinstall' ?
[05:54] <ukato> is the screen resolution setting under "Screen" in xorg.conf
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> you installed over a existing system? or whiped the drives and reinstalled?
[05:55] <hardw1re> well i wanted to test breezy to see if it made any difference for my x86_64 system. i decided to re-configure my partitions and reinstall ubuntu 5.04
[05:55] <hardw1re> whiped and reinstalled
[05:55] <Ummmmm> uhh what's the default user's group in ubuntu?
[05:55] <bob2> it's named after their username
[05:56] <bimberi> Ummmmm: the same as the username
[05:56] <bob2> all modern linuxes work like that, afaik
[05:56] <Ummmmm> k thanks
[05:56] <carlinux> bob2
[05:56] <hardw1re> Dr_Willis, explain to me a bit more how im suppose to set the root pass....
[05:57] <ian> ukato: yes
[05:57] <ukato> ok
[05:57] <benplaut> hardw1re, "sudo passwd", and then you have su as well as sudo
[05:57] <carlinux> ian
[05:57] <amonkey> is there an mp3 encoder that accepts wildcards? lame won't take *.wav
[05:57] <ian> ukato: basically you just want it to have 1 option (1024x768)
[05:57] <durt> "sudo passwd root"
[05:57] <carlinux> do u know where i can change the window thing?
[05:58] <hardw1re> ah sweet, cheers mate :) something new to add to my blog! :D
[05:58] <ian> carlinux: you want to change the keystroke to show the desktop?
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> hardw1re,  well you aint supposed to.. BUT you could 'sudo passwd'
[05:58] <bob2> amonkey: why does it matter? for i in *.wav ; do lame -whateveroption $i ; done
[05:58] <carlinux> nop
[05:58] <carlinux> when i open the 3 folders i have 3 windows
[05:58] <hardw1re> is kde installed by default as well as gnome, or not?
[05:58] <carlinux> each folder is inside the other
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> no its not hardw1re
[05:58] <carlinux> i want to see the same window
[05:59] <hardw1re> can kde be installed via apt-get ?
[05:59] <ukato> ian, yes, it's set at 1024x768, but it doesn't look like it's displaying that
[05:59] <bimberi> sam__: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:59] <lJlolel> everytime i download a torrent, my connection slows down a lott, and i keep getting disconnected
[05:59] <carlinux> if i go back, keep seeing 1 window :)
[05:59] <bob2> hardw1re: of course
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> hardw1re,  yes it can - trivially easy :P
[05:59] <ukato> and if it is, it's really bad looking
[05:59] <hardw1re> just apt-get install kde?
[05:59] <ukato> i think i'm missing a setting or something
[05:59] <hardw1re> or is there a specific name package name?
[05:59] <bob2> hardw1re: kubuntu-desktop, yes
[05:59] <amonkey> bob2, i'm not an extremly competent linux user, is that an shell script or can i type that in console
[05:59] <hardw1re> ah cool
[05:59] <hardw1re> :)
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> every paackage has a name :P
[05:59] <hardw1re> i know :P
[06:00] <_frank> lJlolel: limit your upload to less than your max
[06:00] <hardw1re> just doing apt-cache search kde isnt as helpfull :P
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu.org - i think is the site of the kde guys  work :P
[06:00] <ian> ukato: what does it say under screen preferences?
[06:00] <jkindy> i am doing the updates and everything is running slow ...is this normal
[06:00] <shaner> server nexlinks.net
[06:00] <shaner> join nexlinks.net
[06:01] <ian> carlinux: try Edit / Preferences in Nautilus, Behavior tab, then "Always open in browser windows"
[06:01] <hardw1re> this time roung tho, i also edited my system so i have a 50GB fat32 to file share between windows and linux, 2GB swap, 2GB /boot, 15GB ext3 / and then a 30GB /home reiser fs :)
[06:01] <hardw1re> round*
[06:01] <ukato> ian, is screen preferences in the xorg.conf
[06:01] <bob2> amonkey: type it into your terminal
[06:01] <bob2> amonkey: it runs lame over each .wav file in turn
[06:02] <ian> ukato: no, in Gnome, System / Preferences / Screen Resolution (I think is the name... mine's in spanish)
[06:02] <amonkey> bob2, for me it just but a > on the left and sat there
[06:02] <bob2> amonkey: ctrl-c, make sure you typed exactly what I did
[06:02] <ukato> ian, oh, i'm in fluxbox right now
[06:02] <ukato> this laptop is really sluggish with gnome
[06:03] <amonkey> bob2, for i in *.wav ; do lame --preset extreme $i ;
[06:03] <cyphase> are their any plans for a centralized bookmark system in ubuntu?
[06:03] <ukato> but i tried that in gnome and the only thing listed was 800x600
[06:03] <bob2> amonkey: that's not what I typed
[06:03] <carlinux> ok let me check it
[06:03] <amonkey> bob2, oh, done was part of it?
[06:03] <bob2> yes
[06:04] <amonkey> bob2, all the wav's have spaces in their file names and lame doesn't like it
[06:05] <crimsun> amonkey: "$i"
[06:05] <cyphase> that's lame
[06:05] <hardw1re> hmmm 5am on a monday morning.... maybe i should get some sleep while kde downloads and installs, lol
[06:05] <cyphase> ;)
[06:05] <bimberi> cyphase: so was that :P
[06:05] <cyphase> i know :)
[06:05] <ian> ukato: paste your screen section here: http://pastebin.com/
[06:05] <jkindy> what is kde
[06:05] <amonkey> crimsun, most excellent. thankyou
[06:05] <cyphase> K Desktop Environment
[06:05] <benplaut> it's an alternative to Gnome
[06:05] <amonkey> bob2, most appreciated, i will look more into this kind of coding
[06:06] <carlinux> what is Nautilus?
[06:06] <carlinux> i open a forlder
[06:06] <cyphase> Gnome's file manager
[06:06] <carlinux> then edit
[06:06] <bimberi> carlinux: the gnome file manager
[06:06] <bob2> the file manager
[06:06] <ukato> ian, ok, posted
[06:06] <tristanmike> like exploder, but not a sucky
[06:06] <carlinux> tnx
[06:06] <zack> is there any way to get gnome working on breezy at the moment?
[06:07] <carlinux> when i open a folder thats natalius?
[06:07] <benplaut> working for me
[06:07] <cyphase> it is working
[06:07] <hardw1re> doh... someone the other day gave me a command that would make sure that alsa wouldnt set my usb webcam mic as the default sound card...
[06:07] <benplaut> carlinux, yup
[06:07] <jbull> zack:  works for me..
[06:07] <carlinux> ok
[06:07] <cyphase> zack, it does work
[06:07] <zack> (from hoary)
[06:07] <cyphase> I have Colony 3 installed on my test machine
[06:07] <mindmedic> zack, :D
[06:07] <benplaut> BACK UP FIRST, zack
[06:07] <carlinux> ian i find edit but not Behavior tab
[06:07] <cyphase> zack, maybe it's because you dist-upgraded
[06:07] <c0rrupt__> when i go into monitor mode
[06:07] <mindmedic> bleeding edge means you gotta bleed sometimes
[06:07] <cyphase> i installed it from scratch
[06:08] <c0rrupt__> my mac address changes from
[06:08] <Gatton> carlinux, edit then preferences i believe
[06:08] <viper> hi all
[06:08] <carlinux> i have ubuntu in spanish, i guess is preferences?
[06:08] <cyphase> zack, did you upgrade to test it, or to use?
[06:08] <c0rrupt__> ok when i go into monitor mode
[06:08] <c0rrupt__> my mac address changes
[06:08] <mindmedic> has anyone of you tried stardict yet..
[06:08] <zack> so the answer is "no", ok
[06:08] <c0rrupt__> from 00-0C-41-CF-77-12 to 00-0C-41-CF-77-12-50-F6-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[06:08] <mem72> hello
[06:08] <Slacker> hey all
[06:08] <zack> cyphase: to use it, since hoary wasn't working on my hardware properly.
[06:08] <c0rrupt__> does anyone know why?
[06:08] <mindmedic> its a very good integrated dictionary.. worth a try
[06:09] <cyphase> zack, breezy is still in alpha
[06:09] <cyphase> it's not for production use
[06:09] <jkindy> whats a torrent that is a must download
[06:09] <c0rrupt__> ????????????//
[06:09] <ian> carlinux: then it's:  Editar / Preferencias / Comportamiento / Siempre abrir en una ventana de navegador
[06:09] <viper> can anyone help me add a network printer?
[06:09] <zack> cyphase: i understand that. i asked about getting gnome working...
[06:09] <mem72> installed ubuntu last night, first time i have ever seen it
[06:09] <viper> me too
[06:09] <c0rrupt__> how do i set my mac address
[06:09] <c0rrupt__> using ifconfig
[06:09] <c0rrupt__> ??
[06:09] <viper> u dont, from what i know, u cant
[06:09] <jbull> zack:  what problem are you having with gnome specifically?
[06:10] <geneo93> anyone know how to backup to tape drive
[06:10] <mem72> is there a feature that allows you to get updates like windows and suse linux do ?
[06:10] <Madpilot> mem72: yes there is
[06:10] <c0rrupt__> does anyone know?
[06:10] <ian> jkindy: http://www.chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=86
[06:10] <lJlolel> mem72, welcome to ubuntu
[06:10] <durt> viper: what problems are u having?
[06:10] <carlinux> in vistas tab?
[06:10] <mem72> thanks guys
[06:10] <Gatton> mem72, System, Administration, Ubuntu Update Manager
[06:10] <viper> getting the driver
[06:10] <zack> jbull: i dist-upgradede from hoary, logged out, and when i logged back in i found that gnome-session, nautilus, gnome-terminal, gnome-panel, etc. were gone. and firefox doesn't work anymore.
[06:10] <mem72> Madpilot how ?
[06:10] <gm78> c0rrupt__: what do u mean set your mac address....why are you trying to change it?
[06:11] <carlinux> okko
[06:11] <viper> hey durt, can we talk in private?
[06:11] <carlinux> sry
[06:11] <carlinux> i found it
[06:11] <carlinux> tnx
[06:11] <Madpilot> mem72: you'll see a little red circle up in the top-right corner, near the clock, when there are updates available
[06:11] <mem72> ok thanks
[06:11] <durt> viper: are you trying to use a printer on another computer in your network?
[06:11] <viper> yes
[06:11] <zack> jbull: the cairo transition seems to be the cause for the gnome issues, and a pango problem keeps firefox from coming up
[06:11] <ian> carlinux: donde eres?
[06:11] <viper> the other pc is xp os
[06:12] <mem72> ok back later of tomorrow
[06:12] <ukato> ian, did you see the pastebin
[06:12] <viper> and there is no driver for the printer for linux
[06:12] <carlinux> de Mexico, Los mochis, sinaloa
[06:12] <carlinux> y tu?
[06:12] <durt> viper: i did that today:)
[06:12] <jbull> zack:  there's a fix for the pango problem
[06:12] <mem72> Madpilot thanks !   mucgh obliged
[06:12] <viper> cool
[06:12] <mem72> laters
[06:12] <durt> viper: are u using gnome?
[06:12] <viper> yup
[06:12] <durt> ok
[06:12] <geneo91> is there a backup app for ubuntu
[06:12] <gm78> whoops
[06:13] <durt> go to system>administration>printing
[06:13] <viper> ok
[06:13] <zack> jbull: sweet, know what it is?
[06:13] <durt> click on new printer
[06:13] <ian> carlinux: soy de ee.uu pero viviendo en argentina
[06:13] <geneo91> i have 8 gig travan drive
[06:13] <viper> k
[06:13] <ian> ukato: yeah, it looks correct
[06:13] <ukato> hm, ok
[06:13] <durt> click on network printer
[06:13] <jbull> ian:  argentina? buenos aires?
[06:13] <carlinux> andale y eso por el trabajo o te fuiste con tu familia?
[06:14] <ian> jbull: yes
[06:14] <carlinux> de que parte de estados unidos eres?
[06:14] <durt> choose windows (smb)
[06:14] <jbull> zack:  let me get you the link
[06:14] <james> how do I access my other harddrive through Ubuntu?
[06:14] <ukato> any idea what could be causing the fonts and display quality to be so bad?
[06:14] <viper> ok
[06:14] <viper> ill put in ip
[06:14] <jbull> ian:  brbaro--i was just studying there for the last six months
[06:14] <ian> jbull: you?
[06:14] <jkindy> any windows media players???
[06:14] <durt> hold on there viper
[06:14] <durt> let me find where i found out how to do this
[06:15] <viper> ok
[06:15] <carlinux> tengo como 4 dias que empeze a usar linux no me he parado de aqui y estoy aprendiendo todo lo que pueda a presion..
[06:15] <james> can anyone help me?
[06:15] <carlinux> y me salen varias preguntas que me atoro, pero a ver si te ha pasado esto o si es normal
[06:15] <jbull> zack:  here's the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58758&highlight=pango
[06:15] <jordan> hello all, is everyone as excited as I am about the next release of ubuntu?
[06:15] <durt> viper: http://www.willmer.com/kb/2005/05/printing-to-windows-xp-printer-from-ubuntu/
[06:15] <durt> thats how i did it
[06:16] <lJlolel> jordan, heh, i can't wait
[06:16] <Slacker> whens it comoing out jordan ?
[06:16] <carlinux> lo instale en mi laptop y me salio un recado que dice: No puedo bloequear su raton, un cliente malicioso podria estar espiando su sesion.
[06:16] <jkindy> were can i go to get something that will play window media file on firefox
[06:16] <carlinux> Es algo normal ian?
[06:16] <jordan> I don't know official date, but I thought it was like october 18th or something...
[06:16] <ukato> has anyone used linux on a dell lattitude cpi?
[06:16] <carlinux> me salio en la laptop y ahorita en la PC que lo acabo de instalar
[06:16] <jordan> I am so pumped though
[06:16] <viper> ok ill try it out, if i have problmes ill ask ;)
[06:16] <esc_ape> I see that there is a new kernel available via ubuntu update manager. should I upgrade?
[06:16] <PlanarPlatypus> !restrictedformats
[06:16] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[06:16] <zack> jbull: thanks
[06:16] <Slacker> i gues i can wait that long
[06:16] <jordan> I loved migrating to Hedgehog, but I am going to love badger even better I think
[06:16] <durt> ukato: i have been player with my brother's cpi
[06:17] <Slacker> should be a good OS
[06:17] <jordan> it is a great freaking distro
[06:17] <durt> ukato: what problem are u having?
[06:17] <drcode> hi all
[06:17] <lJlolel> jordan, how big is the difference?
[06:17] <drcode> any one can help me with tape?
[06:17] <ukato> durt, my screen quality is really crappy
[06:17] <Slacker> i a newb w/ linux
[06:17] <drcode> the command mt
[06:17] <Slacker> just getting started
[06:17] <ukato> durt, and i can't fix the resolution
[06:17] <drcode> can take preameter of the tape from somewhere
[06:17] <jkindy> what is another distro to check out for a noob
[06:17] <drcode> TAPE=/dev/osst0
[06:18] <drcode> how I Can setup it so the device will be from varible?
[06:18] <Slacker> love what ive seen so far
[06:18] <bimberi> jkindy: kubuntu :P
[06:18] <jbull> carlinux:  esto del bloquear el raton y todo no me parece muy normal..pero...
[06:18] <lJlolel> jkindy, i have heard good things about suse, i know mandriva is meant for newer people
[06:18] <lJlolel> jkindy, but ubuntu is the best i've seen by far
[06:18] <durt> ukato: let me set up my bros comp here and ill see
[06:19] <ukato> durt, thanks a lot
[06:19] <Slacker> tried suse, i like ubuntu better
[06:19] <carlinux> jbull se me hizo raro que me apareciera en las dos instalaciones, que podra ser?
[06:19] <viper> durt: i cant find my printer model in the list
[06:19] <jkindy> so i have linux i got limewire and a bittorrent client...what else should i get ...something that windows doesnt have
[06:20] <lJlolel> my first linux love affair was with debian, so i got hooked on apt-get
[06:20] <esc_ape> so, should I update my kernel or no?
[06:20] <ian> jkindy: tomboy really rocks, although it seems broken on ubuntu right now
[06:20] <durt> what type of printer do you have?
[06:20] <viper> canon IPX 4000
[06:20] <jbull> carlinux:  la verdad que no lo se--hiciste unas busquedas en google o algo al estilo?  estas instalaciones son de hoary?
[06:20] <jkindy> what is tomboy
[06:20] <viper> i have my printer cd but there is no driver for linux on it
[06:21] <carlinux> no he buscado nada
[06:21] <carlinux> no se que es hoary, supongo
[06:21] <lJlolel> tomboy - desktop note taking program, with Wiki style link
[06:21] <deFrysk> err english ?
[06:21] <carlinux> que la ultima version de ubuntu, hoy baje el live DVD y lo instale creo que es la 5.04
[06:21] <durt> hmm... is this a new printer
[06:21] <Madpilot> viper: have you checked here? http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[06:21] <viper> kinda
[06:22] <viper> not yet, i will now
[06:22] <deFrysk> carlinux, english or #ubuntu-es
[06:22] <ian> carlinux: we should probably take it to #ubuntu-es :)
[06:22] <carlinux> okok
[06:23] <jkindy> anyone ever try knoppix
[06:23] <carlinux> how can i join both?
[06:23] <bimberi> viper: yes - search linuxprinting.org for a PPD file for your printer, download and use it during the printer setup "Install Driver..." button
[06:23] <ian> jkindy: tomboy is http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/
[06:23] <lJlolel> does it close your ubuntu session if you join the other?
[06:23] <durt> hang on there ukato, its booting
[06:23] <viper> if i can find the driver im set
[06:23] <ukato> durt, yeah that takes awhile
[06:24] <carlinux> ian is it probably that u have windows opk spanish?
[06:24] <durt> ukato: what model cpi is it
[06:24] <deFrysk> carlinux, just hit : /j #ubuntu-es and it opens a sec window
[06:24] <ukato> umm
[06:24] <ukato> hold on
[06:24] <carlinux> tnx
[06:24] <ian> carlinux: what?
[06:24] <bimberi> viper: possibly - there can still be quality issues
[06:24] <carlinux> im looking for windows opk spanish :)
[06:25] <viper> i cant find the driver
[06:25] <viper> its not on that site
[06:25] <carlinux> it seems u have many experience in this, so probably u could have it
[06:25] <ian> carlinux: opk?
[06:25] <bimberi> viper: Nothing close? - another IPX model?
[06:25] <durt> viper: u need need to install the UNIX printing stuff on the windows machine
[06:25] <viper> no ipx models
[06:26] <ukato>  Dell Latitude CPi D300XT
[06:26] <ukato> that one
[06:26] <viper> dell
[06:26] <durt> viper: never mind im confused and tired
[06:26] <viper> its a canon
[06:26] <benplaut> where is xmodmap in ubuntu?
[06:26] <carlinux> yes
[06:26] <durt> ukato: ok - i have r400gt or something - same thing
[06:26] <bimberi> viper: grrrr Canon and their Linux support
[06:26] <carlinux> oem preinstalletion kit
[06:27] <ukato> durt, alright
[06:27] <durt> ukato: was your screen messed up right after installation or did something happen later?
[06:28] <ukato> it's always been like this
[06:28] <viper> ukato: whats wrong with ur screen?
[06:28] <ukato> viper, i can't get the screen resolution to get 1024x768
[06:29] <viper> aaa
[06:29] <viper> i had this problem today
[06:29] <ukato> viper, also, the fonts and everything else looks REALLY ugly
[06:29] <viper> u have to edit this file
[06:29] <viper> it has the screen res. in there
[06:29] <viper> let me ask my friend again
[06:29] <carlinux> do you know it?
[06:29] <viper> i forgot how to do it
[06:29] <ukato> xorg.conf?
[06:29] <carlinux> ian
[06:29] <viper> yea that
[06:30] <ukato> what did you edit
[06:30] <ukato> durt, did it boot
[06:30] <viper> go to the bottom
[06:30] <viper> where u see the screen res.
[06:30] <ukato> yup
[06:30] <durt> yes it booted
[06:30] <ukato> w00t
[06:30] <viper> and the one under 24 depth
[06:30] <ukato> that's at 1024x768
[06:31] <viper> hmm
[06:31] <ukato> i'm in fluxbox, by the way
[06:31] <viper> okay then u got to do it this other way
[06:31] <viper> holf on
[06:31] <ukato> not gnome
[06:31] <viper> hold on*
[06:31] <cyphase> is breezy going to support more WiFi cards?
[06:31] <cyphase> maybe through ndiswrapper..
[06:31] <ian> carlinux: hmm?
[06:31] <ukato> and the main thing i'm trying to fix is how ugly the screen looks
[06:31] <durt> do u have gnome installed?
[06:31] <ukato> durt, yes i do
[06:31] <viper> do u know that thing that goes step by step in gui to set up keyboard mouse and screen?
[06:32] <durt> ukato: ok - its slow but it might make things easier
[06:32] <ukato> viper, the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[06:32] <ukato> ok, i can boot into gnome, it'll take awhile though
[06:32] <carlinux> i see u in ubuntu-es better
[06:32] <viper> yup
[06:33] <jfields> hello all
[06:33] <viper> go step by step with me cuz i did it today and messed it up
[06:33] <ukato> viper, i've run that three or four times
[06:33] <viper> dri off
[06:33] <jfields> i was wondering what line i need to add to xorg.conf to get my scroll wheel working
[06:33] <jfields> i cant do without it... LOL
[06:33] <viper> rught sync
[06:33] <viper> no
[06:33] <glick> jfields, hmm weird mine worked out of the box
[06:33] <jfields> i have wireless logitech
[06:34] <glick> jfields, is it a usb?
[06:34] <jfields> yep
[06:34] <glick> hmm
[06:34] <glick> strange
[06:34] <viper> i have wireless atheros
[06:34] <bimberi> ukato: another thing to try is to get hold of the HorizSync and VertRefresh values for your monitor (from its manual or google) and make sure xorg.conf has those values
[06:34] <jfields> loving the latest release of ubuntu btw
[06:34] <cyphase> jfields, Colony 3?
[06:34] <jfields> under Section "InputDevice"
[06:34] <jfields> for mouse
[06:35] <jfields> i should be able to add option "something" and it work
[06:35] <jfields> the latest
[06:35] <viper> i got my res to work with 1440X900 with the reconfigue xorg thing
[06:35] <jfields> viper, is that automatic?
[06:35] <glick> man does xmms rock
[06:35] <durt> ukato: in /etc/x11/xorg.conf what does it say your device is under 'screen'
[06:35] <glick> totally kick-ass
[06:35] <viper> ukato i just remembered how i did it
[06:36] <viper> in the xorg.config
[06:36] <ukato> "NeoMagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD] "
[06:36] <ukato> neomagic
[06:36] <viper> put all of them the size u want
[06:36] <ukato> sounds really lame
[06:36] <glick> i need to get some decent speakers
[06:36] <viper> then go to the gui one, and under the res, selecte 1024X728 too
[06:36] <glick> im gonna keep my pc in my living room when i get my own apartment next week
[06:36] <fr500> hello
[06:36] <glick> my lappie
[06:36] <fr500> is there a good audio file tag editor?
[06:36] <durt> any luck with ur printer viper?
[06:37] <viper> when it askes for sync->no, dri->no
[06:37] <viper> durt: no :S
[06:37] <viper> :(  *
[06:37] <ukato> bimberi, would the refresh rates be having something to do with how ugly the display is?
[06:37] <glick> viper, you using CUPS
[06:37] <viper> what is that
[06:37] <glick> ukato, umm yes it would
[06:37] <ukato> mmk
[06:37] <glick> viper, Common Unix Printing
[06:37] <bimberi> ukato: not sure myself (looks like glick thinks so tho :) )
[06:38] <durt> viper should use SMB
[06:38] <ukato> sorry, obviously new to this stuff
[06:38] <viper> i do
[06:38] <viper> i have samba
[06:38] <glick> viper, install cups and then run the cups set up your printer should be good to go then
[06:38] <geneo91> how can i see if my system sees my tape drive
[06:38] <viper> glick, instal cups on both pc or just this one
[06:38] <durt> ukato: i have no values for vertrefresh or horizsync
[06:38] <durt> and no modelines
[06:38] <sentinel> is there a way to have things like /proc/cpuinfo and such restricted to root without having to manually chmod all the files?
[06:38] <viper> ukato: what is ur refresh rate now?
[06:39] <bimberi> durt: laptop?
[06:39] <ukato> durt, so your display is working right?
[06:39] <glick> which everyone the printer is attached to, however CUPS can use the network too
[06:39] <durt> yes
[06:39] <glick> viper, install CUPS on the machine you want to print from
[06:39] <viper> ok thats mine :)
[06:39] <ukato> viper, i can't find it
[06:39] <viper> the printer is attached to another pc, not this one
[06:39] <ukato> maybe it's not set
[06:40] <viper> go to sytem->prefrences->screen res
[06:40] <fr500> viper, you use windows for the other PC?
[06:40] <glick> viper, is the other cd a windows or a linux machine?
[06:40] <viper> yes
[06:40] <ukato> viper, i haven't switched to gnome yet
[06:40] <fr500> the name of the shared printer should have no spaces
[06:40] <viper> oh
[06:40] <fr500> in the windows PC
[06:40] <durt> viper: i guess you could try the other drivers for other canon printer
[06:40] <ukato> where's vertical and horizontal refresh in xorg.conf
[06:40] <glick> if its a windows machine youll have to use SMB
[06:40] <bimberi> ukato: do you have a LCD monitor?
[06:41] <fr500> viper, it's no big deal configuring
[06:41] <durt> bimberi:yes
[06:41] <viper> glick: this pc is linux, the one with the printer is windows
[06:41] <fr500> viper, but make sure that you have it set without spaces
[06:41] <ukato> bimberi, it's on a laptop
[06:41] <ukato> so
[06:41] <ukato> i think that's LCD
[06:41] <glick> viper, then youll have to use Samba
[06:41] <ukato> :P
[06:41] <viper> fr500: what set
[06:41] <durt> ukato has my kind of computer
[06:41] <ukato> i might be wrong, since i'm ignorant
[06:41] <durt> mine works his doesnt
[06:41] <viper> glick: i am using samba
[06:41] <bimberi> ukato: ahh, my apologies, i'm pretty sure those values don't apply - my bad
[06:41] <fr500> viper, the share name in the Windows PC
[06:41] <ukato> oh i see
[06:41] <glick> viper, why not just attach your printer ro your linux machine?
[06:41] <ukato> so there's no vertical or horizontal refresh?
[06:42] <viper> the share name of the printer is CanonIPX
[06:42] <glick> and use cups?
[06:42] <fr500> viper, also the computer name and the printer name are case sensitive in linux i think
[06:42] <Slacker> hey all
[06:42] <glick> and export the printer to windows using SAMBA
[06:42] <ukato> durt, your display has worked since you installed it?
[06:42] <viper> glick: cuz this is a laptop, the other one is a dekstop ;p
[06:42] <ukato> it = ubuntu
[06:42] <Slacker> anyone know what to use and or does java work w/ ubuntu ?
[06:43] <bimberi> Slacker: yes ...
[06:43] <ukato> java works with me
[06:43] <durt> ukato: yes
[06:43] <bimberi> !java
[06:43] <ubotu> from memory, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:43] <glick> viper, on the other pc is the printer exported on the network?
[06:43] <ukato> hm
[06:43] <viper> exported as in shared?
[06:43] <durt> ukato: im not sure what's going on
[06:43] <glick> viper, yeah
[06:43] <ukato> me too
[06:43] <viper> of course
[06:43] <Slacker> i saw only the redhat version on the sun site ?
[06:43] <glick> and in ubuntu when you go to network places you dont see it?
[06:43] <ukato> durt, want to give me your xorg.conf and i'll see if it works
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Slacker: just read the instructions on the page ubotu gave you - it's trivially easy
[06:44] <viper> brb->talking to fr500
[06:44] <Madpilot> !tell Slacker about java
[06:44] <benplaut> Madpilot, someone already said it a few seconds ago ;)
[06:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> is it better to compile a source or install a .deb pacakage?
[06:45] <durt> ukato: that might work, but note that i have a different video card (slightly)
[06:45] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: use debs
[06:45] <bimberi> benplaut: i didn't !tell tho - better that way i guess :)
[06:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[06:45] <durt> (but i need to take the wlan card out of this computer and put it in that one
[06:46] <ukato> oh
[06:46] <ukato> if you don't wanna bother that's fine
[06:46] <durt> no, ill do it
[06:46] <durt> but id rather do it tomorrow
[06:46] <durt> ( i need to go to bed)
[06:46] <ukato> durt you said you didn't have vertical or horizontal refresh rates?
[06:47] <ukato> oh alright
[06:47] <durt> will u be here tomorrow?
[06:47] <ukato> probably
[06:47] <ukato> i'll be up all night trying to get this to run
[06:47] <ukato> but i'll be on most of tomorrow
[06:47] <ukato> viper, still there?
[06:48] <ian> ukato: did you google for the graphics card your lappy has + linux + 800x600?
[06:48] <ukato> i googled for my lappy + linux
[06:50] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: note that I meant .debs for ubuntu - don't blindly use .debs that might be for Debian Sarge or Sid
[06:50] <viper> yea
[06:50] <MrGardenHoseMan> i meant .deb for your run of the mill debian distro
[06:50] <Slacker> thanks  got to the java down load, wow 123.4 mb !!
[06:50] <durt> ukato: im going to see if i can use my camera as a thingy to transfer the xorg.conf
[06:51] <viper> ukato: what do u need?
[06:51] <glick> slax-popcorn is a pretty nice pocket live distro
[06:51] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: Ubuntu is out of sync with Sarge (Debian) so Debian .debs are risky
[06:51] <viper> why dont u just ur print screen?!?!
[06:51] <benplaut> OK, i give up. Internet Keys, you can have your freedom
[06:52] <ukato> viper, so you were having the same problem as me?
[06:52] <benplaut> do whatever you want
[06:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> so say if i already installed it...how would i go about uninstaling it?>
[06:52] <viper> were
[06:52] <viper> i solved it, i told u how like 10 times
[06:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> it's specific to the program no doubt?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: what did you install ?
[06:52] <viper> no one was listening
[06:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> official bittorrent client
[06:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> http://www.bittorrent.com/
[06:52] <ukato> calm down, and your screen had really crappy quality?
[06:52] <bimberi> MrGardenHoseMan: did you "dpkg -i" it?
[06:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> haven't opened it yet though
[06:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah
[06:53] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: basically, if it works you are probably OK - but it might interfere with updates somewhat
[06:53] <ukato> i was trying to fix it with durt because he has the same computer as me
[06:53] <ukato> less variables to work with
[06:53] <viper> lol, i am calm, not real crappy, just a small res. so i made it bigger
[06:53] <viper> from 1280x800 to 1440x900
[06:53] <viper> and looked much better
[06:53] <ukato> ah
[06:54] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: in general, anything in Debian is also available in Ubuntu repositories anyway
[06:54] <viper> i mean come on 1280x800 for a 17 widscreen :S
[06:54] <ukato> what's wrong with mine isn't really the resolution, because i'll use 800x600, but i don't want it to look so bad where i can't read the fonts
[06:54] <viper> u need the res to be 800x600 and good quality?
[06:54] <bimberi> MrGardenHoseMan: yes you should be OK - a major source of issues is when other packages depend on what you installed
[06:54] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah i just thought getting it sraight from the horse's mouth would be a bit better
[06:55] <ukato> yes
[06:55] <viper> ukato: do u have msn or aim?
[06:55] <ukato> or any resolution other than that and good quality
[06:55] <ukato> i have aim
[06:55] <Slacker> cant seem to get this java to install, can some one walk me throuhg it. ikno iknow just starting to learn linux any help is much appreciated
[06:55] <ukato> and MSn
[06:55] <ukato> i'm on aim right now though
[06:55] <viper> ukato: let me just say, 800x600, never good quality
[06:55] <Slacker> im me
[06:55] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: that doesn't follow :) The Ubuntu versions are designed to be compatible with Ubuntu's package management
[06:55] <viper> how big is ur monitor anywya?
[06:56] <ukato> something like 15 inch
[06:56] <viper> okay then
[06:56] <viper> 1024x728 will be good for u
[06:56] <MrGardenHoseMan> heh, and now i know better
[06:56] <viper> ukato: give me ur aim sn
[06:56] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: if you install stuff from Debian you run the risk of dependency problems as bimberi says
[06:57] <viper> irc channnels are to confusing
[06:57] <viper> too*
[06:57] <MrGardenHoseMan> lol viper, you just have to tune everything out
[06:57] <viper> lol
[06:57] <Flonne> viper, most IRC clients support a form of private messaging. Try typing '/query ukato'.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Slacker: you need to add the hoary-extras repository and run update/reload
[06:58] <Madpilot> viper: you learn to 'scan' IRC channels after a while - picking bits out  of the flood!
[06:58] <Slacker> k
[06:58] <CountDown> Any python gurus around?  Sorry to be off topic, but #python seems pretty unresponsive and #python-dev is completely asleep.  I'm looking to create a python-esque language and would like to learn more about the python bytecode interpreter.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Slacker: did you follow the link on the java wiki page to see how to add repositories?
[06:59] <durt> ukato: i got it!
[06:59] <Slacker> from no just took the d,load
[06:59] <Slacker> ill go back and look tks
[06:59] <ukato> durt, haha, good job
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Slacker: you need to follow the instructions ;)
[07:00] <Slacker> i know, look before i leap
[07:00] <Slacker> trying to break the xp habit :-)
[07:01] <durt> what? did u already fix it? :o
[07:01] <smudo> hi all
[07:01] <ukato> durt, not yet
[07:01] <smudo> hopefully a quick kdm/xdmcp question
[07:01] <durt> ok
[07:01] <ukato> haven't given up yet
[07:01] <smudo> I'm trying to use xdmcp through kdm, and I keep getting the login screen when I try to log in, even after authenticating.
[07:01] <durt> should i post the xorg.conf or send it to u?
[07:02] <smudo> it just goes back to the login screen
[07:02] <codo> anyone tried installing fluxbox on ubuntu ?
[07:02] <varanis> hi, everyone
[07:02] <thoreauputic> codo: yup
[07:02] <smudo> any idea why I can't get kde to start up?
[07:02] <codo> thoreauputic, i am having probs...
[07:02] <varanis> can anyone help me with a problem regarding an external modem in kubuntu?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> codo: namely?
[07:02] <codo> thoreauputic, i did an apt-get install fluxbox
[07:03] <thoreauputic> codo: and ?
[07:03] <bimberi> hehe
[07:03] <codo> Then i shutdown my kubuntu...tried to switch to fluxbox....
[07:03] <codo> nothing happened thoreauputic
[07:03] <thoreauputic> codo: did you select it in the sessions from the login manager?
[07:03] <codo> yep heh ;)
[07:04] <thoreauputic> codo: so it failed to start at all??
[07:04] <codo> it doesnt show anything even the task manager.... menu
[07:04] <codo> it started but i saw a blankpage with  nothing...right click is not working.
[07:05] <codo> no menus nothing...:(
[07:05] <codo> what is the problem any idea ?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> codo: hmm - odd
[07:05] <codo> yep thoreauputic
[07:05] <thoreauputic> codo: did it take a long time to start?
[07:05] <codo> nope...
[07:05] <codo> kubuntu and gdm work flawlessly.
[07:05] <codo> I upgraded to hoary from warty.
[07:06] <thoreauputic> codo: that's not what I meant
[07:06] <codo> and then installed kubuntu desktop ...over net.
[07:06] <codo> then ? thoreauputic  ?
[07:06] <robotgeek> which package provides xdbe.h?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> codo: did *fluxbox* take a long time to start - as in say 30 seconds
[07:06] <Seveas> codo, login in the console and rm ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority
[07:06] <glick> damn grepping your entire home directory recursively sure takes a long time
[07:06] <codo> hmm..
[07:07] <codo> let me try
[07:07] <glick> making sure all traces of my porn mongering have been erased
[07:07] <glick> hehe
[07:07] <glick> then i gotta delete my .bash_history file to erase evidence of my looking to make sure it has been erased
[07:07] <codo> Seveas, did it then ?
[07:08] <codo> I need to switch now right ?
[07:08] <Madpilot> glick: getting a bit paranoid, are we?
[07:08] <codo> brb.
[07:08] <glick> Madpilot, yes
[07:08] <glick> paranoia pays
[07:08] <dennis_> can anyone suggest a good vnc client and a good vnc server?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Seveas: he might have the problem I had with the hoary fluxbox package
[07:08] <dennis_> or is there a different way to do it in linux?
[07:08] <Madpilot> glick: your Linux-savvy parents are coming to town or something? ;)
[07:08] <WeirdAl> Hey guys
[07:08] <Seveas> dennis_, there are both a vnc client and server installed by default
[07:08] <codo> thoreauputic, you had same problem ?
[07:09] <dennis_> There is?
[07:09] <glick> Madpilot, nah, you never know who might hack into my pc and snoop around
[07:09] <dennis_> What are they called?
[07:09] <codo> is there any method to get over this ?
[07:09] <CountDown> glick: Sure it pays, but not as much as megalomania, or straight up delusion.
[07:09] <thoreauputic> codo: no, we haven't established that yet
[07:09] <bimberi> robotgeek: libxext-dev includes the file Xdbe.h - (http://packages.ubuntu.com)
[07:09] <WeirdAl> I need help getting deb files for this wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[07:09] <smudo> anyone have an idea about my kde/xdmcp problem?
[07:09] <thoreauputic> codo: can you run KDE without problems? Or is it just fluxbox?
[07:09] <dennis_> Seveas, what are they called ?
[07:09] <varanis> anyone know anything about kubuntu not detecting an external serial port modem?
[07:10] <WeirdAl> Reason is, I can't get internet on my laptop until I get this wireless card working.
[07:10] <Seveas> dennis_, vino-server and vncviewer
[07:10] <WeirdAl> So I can't use apt-get
[07:10] <codo> thoreauputic, i can run KDE smoothly, GNOME also
[07:10] <glick> CountDown, the CIA for example burns and grinds their old harddrives to dust when they are discarded
[07:10] <codo> only fluxbox is giving me creeps.
[07:10] <smudo> codo:  what do you see in the logs?
[07:11] <ukato> codo, what problem are you having? i missed it
[07:11] <thoreauputic> codo: so how long does fluxbox take to start? I realise it isn't "working", but does it take a long time for the screen to appear?
[07:11] <CountDown> glick: That really is the only way to get rid of that stuff.  Not that it matters much if you've sent it over the network, thanks to our friends at the NSA.
[07:11] <smudo> codo: can you ssh in from another box and see which log it writes to?
[07:11] <pinko> wonder what they do with the dust
[07:11] <codo> half min I guess.
[07:11] <CountDown> pinko: snort it?
[07:11] <smudo> pinko:  sell it as prime columbian  =-)
[07:11] <thoreauputic> codo: OK you have the xmb bug problem
[07:11] <codo> smudo, i own only one box :(
[07:11] <Madpilot> pinko: snort it, that's how the CIA gets to be like they are...
[07:11] <codo> ah thoreauputic ?
[07:12] <codo> so what i need to do now ?
[07:12] <ukato> codo, is fluxbox slow
[07:12] <glick> CountDown, i doubt the NSA is interested in the porn of a college kid
[07:12] <codo> yep ukato
[07:12] <ukato> export LC_ALL=C
[07:12] <CountDown> I recommend playing a good round Steve Jackson's "Illuminati" game.
[07:12] <codo> and i think it doesnt start at all...nothing on screen.
[07:12] <glick> hehe although once this kid above my floor god busted for kiddie porn
[07:12] <thoreauputic> codo: some people have this problem with the Hoary fluxbox package - I recompiled mine
[07:12] <WeirdAl> I think all I need is linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 but I can't find a deb for it.
[07:12] <codo> hmm...
[07:12] <glick> they came in unmarked cars, kicked his door in and hauled his ass off
[07:12] <ukato> codo, that needs to be put before the "startfluxbox" command
[07:12] <glick> i heard he is doing big time at the state penn
[07:13] <thoreauputic> codo: it need to be compiled with --disable-xmb
[07:13] <thoreauputic> *needs
[07:13] <ukato> that's the workaround i used today
[07:13] <WeirdAl> So if anyone can show me one that'd be smart.
[07:13] <glick> like a year per picture
[07:13] <jkindy> don vito rules
[07:13] <Toba> is there a way to switch user without closing my current one?
[07:13] <glick> and he had like 60 pictures
[07:13] <Toba> i.e. leave all my programs running
[07:13] <CountDown> glick: Interesting.  Go team.
[07:13] <thoreauputic> ukato: that isn't the problem, sorry
[07:13] <ukato> ah well
[07:13] <smudo> Toba:  yes...look in the menus
[07:13] <ukato> ignore what i said, sorry about that
[07:14] <codo> so i need to download source and recompile ?
[07:14] <Toba> log off doesn't leave my stuff running
[07:14] <glick> but my porn is all kosher
[07:14] <WeirdAl> Also I don't have my CD
[07:14] <Toba> it closes it and then opensi t back up when I come back
[07:14] <Toba> and lock screen won't do
[07:14] <smudo> Toba:  not log off...there's an app which will let you do it.
[07:14] <Toba> o_0
[07:14] <thoreauputic> codo: ukato  ukato's work around might help, but the hoary fluxbox package has an issue
[07:14] <smudo> Toba:  hang on and I'll find it for you.
[07:14] <Toba> new login?
[07:15] <smudo> Toba:  that should be it...let me check
[07:15] <codo> thoreauputic, hmm ...
[07:15] <thoreauputic> codo: the font server gets flooded, and everything takes forever including menus, style changes etc
[07:15] <Toba> ooh
[07:15] <Toba> me like
[07:16] <Whyvas> yay
[07:16] <Whyvas> 493 updates
[07:16] <thoreauputic> codo: flux normally should start in seconds
[07:16] <codo> oho... thoreauputic
[07:16] <glick> heh any words relatign to porn can not be found on my pc
[07:16] <glick> sweet
[07:16] <codo> let me try now...
[07:16] <codo> brb
[07:16] <durt> no porn?!?!?!
[07:16] <ukato> thoreauputic, so the xmb problem happens with all fluxbox packages from hoary, or just some
[07:16] <codo> ukato, thoreauputic  thanks.
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> gah, screen updates just got slow again... probably time to clean out the GPU fan again :/
[07:17] <codo> ukato, all i think... I apt-getted fluxbox 5 times ;)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> ukato: it's odd - some people have no trouble, others have the symptoms I described
[07:17] <smudo> Toba:  I can't log in to my machine right now.  The kdm is busted.  Try that though.  It should work.
[07:17] <codo> thoreauputic, has this been on forums ?
[07:18] <glick> wow, after years of neglect i finally bothered to read the find man page and learn how the find command works
[07:18] <glick> cant believe i went all this time without it
[07:18] <thoreauputic> codo: mentioned a few times in the mailing list, including my compiling instructions
[07:18] <Ex-Cyber> glick: :)
[07:18] <codo> hmm.. I am to join the mailing lists ;)
[07:18] <glick> ive learned alot in ubuntu
[07:18] <glick> cause it frees me from the tedious stuff
[07:19] <varanis> anyone have an idea about my modem problem?
[07:19] <glick> everything just works in ubuntu for me
[07:19] <glick> its fantastic
[07:19] <WeirdAl> Anyone help me install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 without apt-get?
[07:19] <dennis_> Seveas, can you help me with the vnc shit?
[07:19] <Ex-Cyber> almost everything in ubuntu just works for me... networking is kind of a sticking point but my setup is kind of unusual
[07:20] <killfill> hey
[07:20] <killfill> does the ubuntu lifecd has mono/gtk# installed?
[07:20] <dennis_> can anyone help me with vnc?
[07:20] <Ummmmm> dennis_ : what do you want
[07:20] <bimberi> WeirdAl: you can download it - and any uninstalled dependencies - from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:20] <glick> one of my engineerin friends, i turned him to ubuntu after being a long time windows user, he loves it, hes runnin octave, gnuplot, gcc, setting up samba, hes a linux pro already, im like damn dude you just started using it a week ago
[07:20] <dennis_> I connected to the computer through vncviewer
[07:20] <Ummmmm> hyup
[07:21] <dennis_> But it doesn't bring up a window or anything
[07:21] <dennis_> allowing me to control the gui
[07:21] <varanis> wierdal you also have it on your ubuntu hoary install disk
[07:21] <codo> lol @ glick
[07:21] <Ummmmm> are you logged in already on that comp?
[07:21] <dennis_> yes
[07:21] <Ummmmm> yeah lol @ glick!
[07:21] <dennis_> :/
[07:21] <Ummmmm> uhm should just work
[07:21] <dennis_> Maybe I should logout
[07:21] <paulproteus> WeirdAl: dpkg -i
[07:21] <Ummmmm> no you need to be logged in
[07:21] <paulproteus> killfill: It's live CD.  With a 'v'.
[07:21] <dennis_> Wait
[07:21] <codo> anyone can point me to ubuntu mailing lists..? are they same as forums ?
[07:21] <dennis_> Log in on which?
[07:22] <dennis_> the vnc server?
[07:22] <paulproteus> glick: :)
[07:22] <dennis_> or the vnc client?
[07:22] <paulproteus> WeirdAl: Do you still need help?
[07:22] <codo> got it anyways thanks ;)
[07:22] <killfill> paulproteus, ok..  but does it?
[07:22] <paulproteus> WeirdAl: Find the package on packages.ubuntu.com, then hit download.
[07:22] <Ummmmm> *sigh* the machine which is running the server needs to be logged in.
[07:22] <varanis> <------ needs help with external modem detection in Kubuntu
[07:22] <codo> list.ubuntu.com thoreauputic
[07:22] <codo> >
[07:22] <WeirdAl> bimberi: thanks, that's what I was looking for
[07:22] <bimberi> WeirdAl: one of those dependencies will be linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[07:22] <glick> i gues it helps that he is a CE like me and i dont have to hold his damn hand through everything, i can just direct him to documentation and hes like "thanks"
[07:22] <paulproteus> killfill: I don't think so, but I'm not sure..
[07:22] <bimberi> WeirdAl: np :)
[07:22] <durt> ukato: have you restarted your computer yet?
[07:22] <WeirdAl> Yeah it's the only one. I'm getting them all
[07:23] <killfill> paulproteus, do you happend to have a wifi card?.. i need to test something on linux...
[07:23] <glick> one of my business friends asked if he should install linux, i told him not if he thinks im gonna be his personal 24/7 tech support
[07:23] <dennis_> how do I use the unix control panel of ubuntu? Every time I reboot and such the gnome shit starts up
[07:23] <Ex-Cyber> heh, bitchx... now there's a client I haven't seen in a long time
[07:23] <Ex-Cyber> is that still actively developed?
[07:23] <glick> bitchx sucks compared to the venerable ircci
[07:23] <glick> irssi
[07:23] <thoreauputic> codo: if you wait a minute I can give you a download URL for my .deb - but it requires some extra legwork to get session entries etc
[07:24] <titaniululz> why am i getting 'not possible to update packages' mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome when i go to software updates?
[07:24] <robotgeek> :)
[07:24] <codo> hmm thanks thoreauputic :)
[07:24] <thoreauputic> codo: you might prefer to compile your own
[07:24] <dennis_> how do I boot the computer so gnome doesn't automatically start and I have to login using the unix command prompt?
[07:24] <paulproteus> dennis_: Easiest way is aptitude remove gdm
[07:24] <codo> i am trying ukato workaround...
[07:24] <dennis_> okay
[07:24] <glick> dennis_, in initab set runlevel to 3
[07:24] <paulproteus> killfill: yes, I have a wifi card
[07:24] <robotgeek> dennis_: use the service
[07:24] <dennis_> ?
[07:24] <Ex-Cyber> glick: I never quite took to irssi, seems nice though... last textmode IRC client I used seriously was ircii-EPIC4
[07:24] <codo> let me see if it works... thoreauputic
[07:24] <dennis_> So many different answers :/
[07:25] <paulproteus> dennis_: I said mine was easiest, unlike the others. :)
[07:25] <thoreauputic> codo: hang on a few minutes
[07:25] <dennis_> I basically want to tell the computer to start gnome using startx
[07:25] <codo> okay...
[07:25] <robotgeek> dennis_: update-rc.d remove gdm
[07:25] <glick> Ex-Cyber, hehe i use irc too an old client from the days of folklore, its all they have on my school's solaris servers
[07:25] <glick> what bums
[07:25] <robotgeek> dennis_: in /etc/init.d/
[07:25] <hardw1re> !nvidia
[07:25] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[07:25] <dennis_> Then when the computer boots
[07:25] <killfill> paulproteus, would you do me a favor?.. im tryint to make this work on linux. it uses mono/gtk#2  http://sofsis.cl/~killfill/GWireless3.exe
[07:25] <dennis_> just run startx?
[07:25] <glick> dennis_, edit /etc/inittab
[07:25] <dennis_> Ugh
[07:25] <robotgeek> i use irssi, my new found love with screen too
[07:25] <glick> set runlevel to 3
[07:25] <dennis_> I wish people would give me the same answer :/
[07:25] <glick> instead of 5
[07:26] <robotgeek> dennis_: do what glick said
[07:26] <robotgeek> :)
[07:26] <dennis_> What will that do?
[07:26] <Ex-Cyber> screen is love, I knew about it for a while but didn't start using it until about a year or so ago
[07:26] <glick> dennis_, what you just said you want to do duh
[07:26] <glick> start your computer and just boot to console mode
[07:26] <dennis_> Then how will I go about starting gnome?
[07:26] <dennis_> Just type gnome?
[07:26] <glick> startx
[07:26] <dennis_> k
[07:26] <glick> or gdm
[07:26] <killfill> paulproteus, it does execut iwlist in the background and shows results in gtk.
[07:27] <paulproteus> killfill: Actually, I'm dead-tired and am going to sleep.
[07:27] <pinko> Ex-Cyber: just out of curiousity, what do you use screen for?
[07:27] <paulproteus> killfill: If you pm me, I'll look at it in the morning.
[07:27] <glick> hmm it appears that default runlevel is 2
[07:27] <glick> thats strange
[07:27] <Micksa> gragghrghg.
[07:27] <Micksa> what's the ideal place to put a host route in a debian/ubuntu system?
[07:28] <Micksa> which config file?
[07:28] <killfill> paulproteus, great. good sleeps.
[07:28] <dennis_> glick....
[07:28] <thoreauputic> codo: sorry my server/webhost isn't responding :/
[07:28] <dennis_> So set the run level to 3?
[07:28] <codo> thoreauputic, fine no problems.
[07:28] <pinko> I have a general idea of what it can do, but have not started to use it.
[07:28] <killfill> paulproteus, you mean /msg you?
[07:28] <glick> dennis_, hold up im checkin for you what you need to set it to
[07:28] <Micksa> oh FINE
[07:28] <codo> what do you say shall i proceed with ukatos suggestions ?
[07:28] <bimberi> glick: runlevels 2-5 are the same in ubuntu (IIRC)
[07:29] <dennis_> okay glick
[07:29] <dennis_> :/
[07:29] <Ex-Cyber> pinko: pretty much as a better replacement for tabs
[07:29] <dennis_> I just want to have to manually start gdm instead of it starting itself
[07:29] <glick> dennis_, ok
[07:29] <glick> go to /etc/rc.d
[07:30] <dennis_> okay
[07:30] <dennis_> then what?
[07:30] <glick> then rename the file S13gdm to disableS13gdm
[07:30] <varanis> still looking for help with my modem problem
[07:30] <glick> then rename the file S13gdm to disable.S13gdm
[07:30] <dennis_> wth?
[07:30] <dennis_> rc.d is an empty file
[07:30] <thoreauputic> codo:  interlink.webhop.org/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb   <---- ugly version name, but should install ( checkinstall deb)
[07:31] <glick> dennis_, rc2.d
[07:31] <dennis_> :/
[07:31] <glick> you should see a file called S13gdm
[07:31] <glick> rename it to disable.S13gdm
[07:31] <dennis_> can not open rc2.d
[07:31] <glick> dennis_, cd into it
[07:31] <glick> its a directory
[07:31] <pinko> I'm not convinced there's suffucient reason to use screen when I'm already running Ion.  though I hear it does a good copy/paste thing without mouse
[07:31] <holycow> i love epiphany but it seriously needs a port of the adblock and flasblock extensions
[07:32] <glick> its /etc/rc2.d
[07:32] <holycow> *grrr*
[07:32] <thoreauputic> codo: did you get that URL ?
[07:32] <codo> thoreauputic, downloading...it . next what I need to do.
[07:32] <robotgeek> pinko: it's kinda like a multi-tab terminal, and fast!
[07:32] <codo> thoreauputic, yes It is downloading now... :)
[07:32] <robotgeek> :)
[07:32] <thoreauputic> codo:  sudo dpkg -i fluxbox <tab>
[07:33] <dennis_> whats the command for the default vnc server
[07:33] <thoreauputic> to install it (it will be in /usr/local/bin )
[07:33] <thoreauputic> codo: ^^
[07:33] <glick> dennis_, i dont get why you would want that though
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[07:33] <dennis_> whats the command for it?
[07:33] <dennis_> vno-server?
[07:33] <Seveas> dennis_, system -> prefrences -> remote desktop
[07:33] <dennis_> right?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> codo: easier - tab completes the file name
[07:33] <dennis_> Oh
[07:33] <dennis_> Hmm
[07:34] <codo> ah ;) thoreauputic hehe i guessed it right.
[07:34] <glick> hey does xfce4 have a login manager?
[07:34] <codo> thoreauputic, i typed that export thing ukato told me ....
[07:34] <crimsun> glick: in what sense?
[07:34] <glick> crimsun, like the gdm or kdm
[07:34] <dennis_> Seveas, how do I view other peoples desktops after enabling that?
[07:35] <crimsun> glick: no, but there has been talk to code one up
[07:35] <dennis_> like whats the client command?
[07:35] <thoreauputic> codo: you will need to make a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions for it to be right in the login manager ( for gdm anyway)
[07:35] <Ex-Cyber> pinko: never heard of the copy/paste thing, I just use it to not have to run multiple terminals/tabs, and so that my sessions survive the terminal being killed
[07:35] <glick> crimsun, yeah i hope they do...id help out with it but im a lazy bastard that just wants to leech on other people's hard work while contributing nothing himself
[07:35] <thoreauputic> codo: did ukato's suggestion help?
[07:35] <bimberi> dennis_: you don't need to enable that to view other people's desktops
[07:35] <codo> thoreauputic, i am trying it...
[07:35] <Seveas> dennis_, that's for enabling other people to view *your* desktop
[07:36] <dennis_> i just enabled it on my server pc
[07:36] <dennis_> Nvm though
[07:36] <dennis_> I found it in the ubuntuguide
[07:36] <Seveas> dennis_, the other way around is applications -> internet -> remote desktop
[07:36] <bimberi> dennis_: the client is available via Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
[07:36] <codo> but after i did that KDE is acting weird why ? thoreauputic  ?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> codo: hmm - his suggestion is to change the default fonts
[07:36] <glick> i wish they allowed icons on xfce4
[07:36] <n1xt3r> dennis_: forget all that rc.d file renaming crap and just run update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[07:37] <crimsun> glick: hmm?
[07:37] <bimberi> n1xt3r: :)
[07:37] <thoreauputic> codo: or language environment really I guess
[07:37] <glick> without havin to run iconbox or whatever its called
[07:37] <dennis_> thanks bimberi
[07:37] <dennis_> and Seveas
[07:37] <willi> hello all
[07:37] <crimsun> glick: you can run whatever application that honors icons
[07:37] <bimberi> dennis_: yw :)
[07:37] <codo> Oh I see...
[07:37] <crimsun> idesk, ...
[07:37] <robotgeek> n1xt3r: i told him that a long time ago :)
[07:37] <glick> yeah idesk thats it
[07:38] <glick> man having a gig of ram is oh so sweet
[07:38] <crimsun> glick: idesk or iconbox?
[07:38] <chinabright> hello
[07:38] <glick> to think i almost god rid of this little lappie
[07:38] <glick> crimsun, idesk
[07:38] <b_d> how do i find out which process is using my /dev/dsp?
[07:38] <chinabright> i am goign to cry
[07:38] <crimsun> b_d: lsof /dev/dsp*
[07:38] <willi> I've got a small desktop running ubuntu here, and there a bunch of updates shown that are 'NOT AUTHENTICATED' ... is this normal?  why aren't the packages authenticated?  thanks :)
[07:39] <chinabright> i have done everything to get java working on my computer and i still have none
[07:39] <crimsun> chinabright: what have you done (in detail)?
[07:40] <Seveas> willi, hoary-extras packages cannot be authenticated...
[07:40] <glick> man this one collegue of mine was all ramblin and raving about how awesome Vista was and all and how i just hate MS because its the linux subculture thing to do, then he goes on ramblin about how awesome java was, and then he was like look how cool my phone is, i can watch tv on it in color and everything, surely this will make all the girls think im cool
[07:41] <willi> dpkg and dselect are considered extras? (?!)
[07:41] <crimsun> dear god, they have backports in hoary-extras?
[07:41] <pinko> Ex-Cyber: Ctrl+a Esc stops everything so that you can move around with vi-keys and copy stuff.  sounded useful.
[07:41] <chinabright> k
[07:41] <stizoner> in kubuntu my desktop icons keep losing there place when i reboot there all over the place
[07:42] <chinabright> i added repositories and installed java from synaptic
[07:42] <glick> hey if i add another user, to my computer they wont automatically have sudo rights will they?
[07:42] <jsor> image viewer tells me that "this build of gdk-pixbuf does not support saving the image format tga", same for tiff.  is there a build in one of the alternate repositories or something that will save files as tiff or tga?
[07:42] <varanis> still need help with my modem problem hope someone can help
[07:42] <codo> thoreauputic, it reports errors
[07:42] <Seveas> willi, no
[07:42] <durt> chinabright: java runtime envioronment? which one?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> codo: dpkg report errors?
[07:42] <chinabright> then i went through and tryed to cd /usr/java/
[07:42] <chinabright> but it wont let me
[07:43] <crimsun> glick: you'll have to add them to the 'admin' group
[07:43] <Seveas> if these packages caanot be authenticated you have a problem
[07:43] <glick> crimsun, ok thanks
[07:43] <codo> yep thoreauputic
[07:43] <willi> evolution and php and a bunch of other packages too... seems a little odd, i've done updates on this box a few times before and not seen it before so i thought I should check...
[07:43] <chinabright> chmod a+x jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[07:43] <durt> chinabright: your doing it the hard way
[07:43] <crimsun> chinabright: you can use 'java-package' from multiverse to generate a ubuntu package
[07:43] <codo> ive posted in private to you thoreauputic
[07:44] <thoreauputic> codo: hmm - yes I saw
[07:44] <durt> chinabright: add this to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://eric.lavar.de/comp/linux/debian/ unstable/
[07:44] <chinabright> i tryed that
[07:44] <thoreauputic> codo: sorry I have no idea what that means unless you download was bad - it installs fine here
[07:44] <codo> hehe ;)
[07:44] <chinabright> not that durt i will try that now
[07:44] <durt> and search for sun-j2re1.5
[07:44] <thoreauputic> codo: you're using hoary, right?
[07:45] <chinabright> yeah
[07:45] <codo> yep i am ;) thoreauputic
[07:45] <codo> migrated from warty to hoary
[07:45] <Madpilot> durt: you can get the j2re pack from hoary-extras, no need to add a non-ubuntu repo
[07:45] <thoreauputic> codo: time to compile your own then I guess....
[07:45] <durt> oh...
[07:45] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:45] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:45] <codo> okay sources where thoreauputic  ?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> codo: I'm trying to find my posts in the archive...
[07:45] <Madpilot> durt: see the bottom of the page ubotu just showed ^^^
[07:46] <codo> damn you are so helpful thoreauputic :)
[07:46] <c0rrupt_> bz0b,
[07:46] <durt> madpilot: oh well :)
[07:46] <chinabright> permision denied
[07:46] <chinabright> ls -l?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> codo:  http://fluxbox.org  <---- use the recent one ( 0.9.13 )
[07:46] <durt> chindabright: what?
[07:46] <glick> octave is pretty sweet
[07:46] <glick> seems to do everything matlab does
[07:46] <durt> maxima is sweet
[07:47] <chinabright> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[07:47] <robotgeek> glick: also check out scipy
[07:47] <chinabright> i was in root
[07:47] <durt> chinabright: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:47] <glick> robotgeek, ooooh daddy likes
[07:48] <robotgeek> glick: :D
[07:48] <glick> anyone ever use tkgate
[07:48] <chinabright> and i add /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://eric.lavar.de/comp/linux/debian/ unstable/ how
[07:48] <glick> it looks good
[07:48] <glick> but i done know
[07:48] <chinabright> i am soo sorry i will learn this shit someway
[07:49] <durt> chinabright: just paste (or type) it at the bottom
[07:49] <chinabright> cool
[07:49] <durt> chinabright: while your at it, uncomment the other repositories if you havent already
[07:50] <thoreauputic> codo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43428&highlight=slow+fluxbox  <-- the thread with instructions etc
[07:50] <wfry> can anyone help me run at 1280x768?
[07:50] <chinabright> then apt-get update?
[07:50] <durt> chinabright: right
[07:50] <chinabright> all of my rpositories?
[07:51] <durt> chinabright: uncomment them
[07:51] <thoreauputic> codo: got that ?
[07:51] <chinabright> k
[07:51] <mojo333> Can anyone give me the command to delete my original ubuntu kernel that came with 5.04?
[07:51] <durt> wfry: whats that a widescreen
[07:51] <wfry> yeah its wide
[07:52] <durt> wfry: thats out of my league
[07:52] <wfry> thanks anywas
[07:52] <ubucl> hello!, can i run ubuntu on an old pc
[07:52] <wfry> ways
[07:52] <ubucl> OOOLLLDD
[07:52] <mojo333> i need to delete it for space reasons
[07:52] <chinabright> keep backports?
[07:52] <wfry> just a guess, do i type it into x.conf?
[07:52] <bimberi> ubucl: how OOOLLLDD?
[07:52] <Madpilot> ubucl: how old is old?
[07:52] <ubucl> Pentium MMX 133Mhz 90RAM
[07:53] <varanis> anyone know anything about external modems?
[07:53] <ubucl> 6gig
[07:53] <durt> what are you doing chinabright?
[07:53] <chinabright> durt can i post you my gedit and you can tell me if its correct?
[07:54] <durt> chinabright:sure
[07:54] <glick> anyone here know verilog or vhdl?
[07:54] <chinabright> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[07:54] <chinabright>  Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[07:54] <chinabright> after the final release of the distribution.
[07:54] <chinabright> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:54] <chinabright> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:54] <chinabright> Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[07:54] <chinabright> repository.
[07:54] <chinabright> N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[07:54] <chinabright>  team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[07:54] <Madpilot> !paste
[07:54] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[07:54] <chinabright>  your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[07:54] <chinabright> universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[07:54] <chinabright> team.
[07:54] <chinabright> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:54] <chinabright> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[07:54] <chinabright> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[07:55] <chinabright> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[07:55] <chinabright> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[07:55] <chinabright> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse universe main restricted
[07:55] <chinabright> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[07:55] <chinabright> ## Backports
[07:55] <glick> damnit
[07:55] <chinabright> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:55] <glick> stop
[07:55] <chinabright> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:55] <chinabright> /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://eric.lavar.de/comp/linux/debian/ unstable/
[07:55] <chinabright> did i post that in the whole #
[07:55] <durt> lol
[07:55] <Madpilot> chinabright: stop pasting!
[07:55] <chinabright> i am sooooo sorry
[07:55] <Madpilot> ubotu tell chinabright about pastebin
[07:55] <chinabright> i said/msg durt i htought
[07:55] <regeya> lol
[07:56] <regeya> china white, china bright
[07:56] <ubucl> anyone about the OLDD pc :D
[07:56] <chinabright> gosh you guys are forgiving
[07:56] <chinabright> thanks
[07:56] <bimberi> chinabright: pastes and /msg don't work (as i know you now realise :) )
[07:57] <bimberi> i think the first line gets /msg-d and the rest...
[07:57] <flodine> anyone running breezy on a backup computer?
[07:58] <punkass> i just install openoffice2 on a amd64 system via synaptic
[07:58] <punkass> but none of the apps run?
[07:58] <punkass> this is on breezy
[07:58] <algebra> hi
[07:58] <bimberi> ubucl: you can install ubuntu on that, but a "fat" GUI environment such as gnome and kde would be infeasible
[07:58] <punkass> i just get this error
[07:58] <punkass> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:58] <Madpilot> chinabright: if there had been an op active on this channel, they may well have booted you for that giant paste - just so you know
[07:58] <bimberi> ubucl: you could do a server install then then install a "lighter" gui environment such as fluxbox
[07:58] <flodine> punkass you on breezy
[07:59] <punkass> yes
[07:59] <flodine> punkass going good
[07:59] <ubucl> thanks!
[07:59] <punkass> yeah its fine..no problems..except for the openoffice2 thing
[07:59] <bimberi> ubucl: yw :)
[07:59] <algebra> im having problems with ubuntu in my other pc, the system totally freezes after using it a while, mostly what i do, is just ircing with irssi, last time it crashed when i joined to some channel, any idea what could cause this?
[07:59] <ubucl> do u know where i can find info about installing other guis?
[07:59] <flodine> punkass cool
[08:00] <punkass> oh and networking doesnt come up at login..have to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:00] <flodine> punkass why
[08:00] <bimberi> ubucl: not precisely - but the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com and the forums http://ubuntuforums.org are good sources
[08:00] <ubucl> thanks bimberi
[08:01] <bimberi> ubucl: yvw :)
[08:01] <punkass> flodine: dont know...broken package maybe
[08:01] <flodine> punkass was there a update today for breezy
[08:01] <Archie> need help. got a pci tv capture card and a usb webcam. the capture card is for my camcorder. two questions ... how do i set kino up so it looks on the capture card and i can start editing my movies? gnomemeeting also defaults to the tv capture, how do i change it to the pc webcam?
[08:01] <punkass> there is updates everyday
[08:01] <punkass> sometimes more than once aday
[08:02] <flodine> punkass is there a starter guide for it?
[08:02] <punkass> so any ideas why javaldx cant find libxml2.so.2
[08:02] <punkass>   but its there.../usr/lib/libxml2.so.2
[08:02] <punkass> flodine...i dont think so..cuz things are still changing on it
[08:03] <flodine> punkass is breezy on your main box or backup
[08:04] <punkass> flodine..just a test box
[08:04] <flodine> cool
[08:04] <algebra> any ideas why ubuntu freezes?
[08:04] <benplaut> bugs?
[08:04] <Archie> got it on the fridge
[08:05] <algebra> im using it just the way i used it before, and i didn't have any problems then
[08:05] <benplaut> flodine: i use it on my main system... works just fine
[08:09] <flodine> benplant did you just update your hoary hedgehog to breezy
[08:09] <flodine> benplaunt or fresh
[08:10] <mae> would you guys say the milestone release of breezy is fairly usable
[08:11] <Burgundavia> mae, yes
[08:11] <mae> Burgundavia, i was just looking at the 2.12 gnome feature list and it looks pretty neat :)
[08:11] <dennis_> guys
[08:11] <dennis_> is there a builtin ftp program in ubuntu?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> dennis_, nautilus
[08:11] <HrdwrBoB> dennis_: yes
[08:11] <dennis_> k
[08:11] <Burgundavia> dennis_, places --> connect to server
[08:12] <flodine> is it better to upgrade to breezy or fresh install?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> flodine, either. If you have a laptop and want to join the ubuntu laptop testing team, we need fresh installs
[08:14] <dennis_> Burgundavia, how do you save a ftp connection to the desktop?
[08:14] <dennis_> Like a shortcut?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> dennis_, just connect to it, it will be there automatically
[08:15] <DekaPink> Why can't it be easy and let me 'make' it. :3
[08:16] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, most non-free apps don't use automake because there is no need for transportability
[08:16] <DekaPink> But... it IS free now? :3
[08:16] <DekaPink> xD
[08:17] <punkass> anyone have openoffice2 running on an amd64 box?
[08:17] <punkass> on breezy it keeps saying it cant find libxml2.so.2 but its right in /usr/lib where it should be
[08:19] <fdorrington> hiya, can anyone assist me with gnome keyring?
[08:19] <punkass> ive got this nice new acer 4101 laptop..and linux in general fails on it...makes me sad
[08:19] <fdorrington> I want to disable it but haven't been able to figure out how to
[08:19] <glick> hey does anyone here use gtkwave?
[08:20] <bob2> "fails on it"?
[08:21] <dennis_> Guys
[08:21] <dennis_> I can't figure out how to store a shortcut to connect to a server on my desktop :/
[08:21] <punkass> bob2..sorry very generalized statement
[08:21] <bob2> connect to a server?
[08:21] <dennis_> Yes
[08:21] <bob2> do you mean "access a SMB share"?
[08:22] <dennis_> I have an ftp server
[08:22] <bob2> so, you do need to mention that
[08:22] <cafuego> dennis_: places -> Connect to server...
[08:22] <dennis_> How do you save it on your desktop though?
[08:22] <dennis_> Like always have it there
[08:22] <topyli> i'd like to know too. i don't want to have the icon always there, but i'd like to "remember" it
[08:22] <cafuego> dennis_: Once you go through the dialog, it will.
[08:22] <dennis_> It didn't :/
[08:22] <Madpilot> dennis_: it should add an icon to your desktop automaticaly
[08:22] <punkass> bob2..none of the acpi stuff works...can not get monitor res correct (1280x800)...could not get wireless working..(acerhk etc didnt work either)
[08:22] <cafuego> dennis_: bug!
[08:22] <dennis_> ?
[08:22] <cafuego> Mine does. ssh, samba and ftp.
[08:23] <dennis_> ftp with login isn't working
[08:23] <cafuego> isn't working how?
[08:23] <dennis_> it opens the window and everything
[08:23] <dennis_> but the shortcut or icon doesn't appear on the desktop
[08:23] <topyli> hmm
[08:23] <punkass> they appear under your "Places" menu
[08:23] <cafuego> dennis_: Did you disable them in the cfg?
[08:23] <dennis_> nope
[08:24] <DekaPink> So... Since Quake 3 is open source now... Does that mean that it could turn up in a repository at some point for apt? :3
[08:24] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, yes, if someone packages it
[08:24] <topyli> DekaPink: all the other id games have
[08:24] <Madpilot> DekaPink: it's only the source code, not the artwork/graphics and stuff, AFAIK
[08:24] <cafuego> DekaPink: Sure, except that witout all the wad files (artwork) it's kinda of useless.
[08:24] <bob2> DekaPink: yes, it will shortly, but only the engine is GPL
[08:24] <Madpilot> sorry, meant "only the engine"
[08:24] <DekaPink> Oooooh.
[08:24] <DekaPink> So it's like... Kind of useless? ^^;
[08:24] <Madpilot> not at all
[08:25] <Madpilot> ppl have done cool things with the Q2 engine
[08:25] <DekaPink> Cool. :)
[08:25] <topyli> cafuego: well, the q2 debian packages are far from useless
[08:25] <cafuego> ugh
[08:25] <Madpilot> this, for instance: http://www.ufoai.net/
[08:25] <dennis_> Error "Unsupported operation" while creating a link to "ftp://server@19...8.1.112/initrd".
[08:25] <punkass> bob2..so ubuntu installs on it..but none of the features of being a laptop work.
[08:25] <cafuego> why does ooo2 needs to depends on en-us?
[08:25] <HrdwrBoB> DekaPink: at the very least, it means that people can run quake3 with alsa and build it for new distributions
[08:25] <bob2> dennis_: dude, what are you doing there?
[08:26] <bob2> punkass: have you filed bugs?
[08:26] <topyli> cafuego: (apart from being a game :)
[08:26] <dennis_> I have the ftp window open
[08:26] <bob2> punkass: or filed out a laptop report thing?
[08:26] <dennis_> Ftp window >Edit> Make link
[08:26] <punkass> bob2: no i havent... i got frusterated...and killed the partition.
[08:26] <odyssey23> hey guys.... just thought i'd drop in and say still havnt tried ubuntu yet my friend had version 4.0 so it didnt have the hoary on it to load...
[08:26] <odyssey23> will keep you updated
[08:26] <odyssey23> thanx :")
[08:27] <bob2> dennis_: why are you trying to link to a initrd?
[08:27] <dennis_> i just want to place a shortcut to connect to my ftp server
[08:27] <dennis_> Thats all I want to do
[08:27] <dennis_> How would I do this?
[08:27] <DekaPink> I suppose it's really none of my nevermind since I don't seem to be keen enough to make my video card work with 3D properly.
[08:27] <punkass> bob2: what is the laptop report thing?
[08:28] <fdorrington> does anyone know how to use gnome keyring?
[08:28] <odyssey23> hey btw... can anyone help me out i got a cd burner second hand... in the usb to external burner a pin has come out of the cord and is left lodged in the burner... any ideas how to get it out?? :/
[08:29] <fdorrington> or how I can get sound to record via the mic without it projecting through the speakers?
[08:29] <bob2> punkass: search the wiki for hoary laptop, I guess
[08:29] <punkass> bob2: yeah doin that now
[08:29] <bob2> dennis_: why are you linking to an initrd file?
[08:29] <dennis_> I dunno
[08:29] <thoreauputic> dennis_: can't you do something like: make a launcher with the command "nautilus ftp://ftp.myserver.org " ?
[08:29] <bob2> fdorrington: best to just ask your question
[08:29] <dennis_> Okay
[08:29] <dennis_> Finally a straight answer
[08:29] <dennis_> THanks thoreauputic
[08:29] <fdorrington> bob2 asked it a few time without replies throughout the day.
[08:29] <fdorrington> question is how do I disable gnome keyring
[08:30] <odyssey23> no? :~(
[08:30] <glick> tkgate looks hella cool
[08:30] <glick> im impressed
[08:30] <bob2> fdorrington: yes, so it's best to ask that, instead of your meta-question earlier
[08:31] <thoreauputic> hmm archive.ubuntu.com is *really* slow for some reason
[08:31] <bob2> fdorrington: why do you want to disable it?
[08:31] <fdorrington> because I don't want it coming up everytime the person using the machine logs in
[08:31] <fdorrington> it will confuse them
[08:31] <bob2> it doesn't come up everytime someone logs in
[08:32] <fdorrington> it does on this machine
[08:32] <topyli> glick: tk widgets in general rock =)
[08:32] <thoreauputic> bob2: is archive.ubuntu.com having problems? Seems to be super slow the last couple of days...
[08:32] <bob2> what password does it ask for?
[08:32] <fdorrington> the key manager password
[08:32] <bob2> thoreauputic: not that I know of
[08:32] <deleric> 
[08:32] <bob2> fdorrington: and it affects newly created users?
[08:32] <fdorrington> this machine only has the one user
[08:32] <odyssey23> .
[08:32] <bob2> try it then
[08:33] <fdorrington> bob2: try what?
[08:33] <topyli> fdorrington: it shouldn't do that (and you should make more user accounts :)
[08:33] <hondje> thoreauputic: seems fine for me
[08:33] <thoreauputic> bob2: my download graph looks like a sawtooth pattern... and about half speed at that
[08:33] <bob2> fdorrington: try creating a new user and see if it affects them.  I'd be very surprised if it did.
[08:33] <fdorrington> topyli: only one person is going to be using this account so I don't need alot more user accounts
[08:33] <fdorrington> bob2: I need to stop it from affecting this user
[08:34] <bob2> fdorrington: that's a different question then
[08:34] <bob2> since you seem to have enabled it
[08:34] <topyli> fdorrington: oh, you said "when people log in" so i thought
[08:34] <thoreauputic> hondje: usually I get a steady stream - it's really flaky all of a sudden
[08:34] <stizoner> i try to open a .rar in kubuntu with ark and it says "the utility unrar is not in your PATH"
[08:34] <hondje> thoreauputic: I'll download a kernel src pkg, see what happens
[08:34] <fdorrington> bob2: that's correct it was enabled as a test and it has been decided that it isn't wanted
[08:34] <fdorrington> bob2: so now it needs to be disabled
[08:35] <bob2> it would be easier if you'd mentioned that to begin with
[08:35] <hondje> thoreauputic: seems fine, sorry
[08:35] <fdorrington> bob2: sorry didn't think it made a difference. Disabling it is disabling it I thought. So with that bit of information in mind do you know how I can disable it?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> hondje: :(
[08:36] <topyli> fdorrington: you could uninstall it perhaps
[08:36] <Ex-Cyber> stizoner: you probably need to install unrar or unrar-nonfree (AFAIK you need -nonfree to work with archives created by recent RAR / WinRAR versions; it is in multiverse)
[08:36] <skyred> how do i turn dvd movies to divx?
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> skyred: you can use 'dvdrip'
[08:37] <fdorrington> topyli: that won't affect anything else?
[08:37] <skyred> is divx the smallest size format?
[08:37] <stizoner> thank your Ex-Cyber
[08:37] <topyli> fdorrington: try it and see if it wants to remove other packages
[08:37] <stizoner> you*
[08:38] <fdorrington> topyli: best to do this via synatpic package manager I take it
[08:38] <skyred> no answers:(
[08:38] <bob2> fdorrington: did you run "gnome-keyring-manager" and delete the keyring?
[08:38] <stizoner> yay! worked
[08:38] <topyli> fdorrington: yes, or apt. no matter, it will ask you anyway if it wants to remove half of gnome :)
[08:39] <Pickle_Weasel> what's a good dialer for ubuntu?
[08:39] <bob2> "dialer"?
[08:39] <fdorrington> bob2: that would be handy. don't know how to access the manager
[08:39] <Ex-Cyber> skyred: video encoding is a complex subject... no codec is inherently "the smallest" for all purposes, so there is really not a useful answer to your question
[08:39] <rosa> good morning. igot me here a Orinoco PCI adapter for my pc, somehow ubuntu doesn't reconize it, can anybody help me out
[08:39] <bob2> fdorrington: that's the name of the command...
[08:39] <fdorrington> says the command isn't found
[08:39] <topyli> hrmf
[08:40] <Pickle_Weasel> a 56k dialer..=\
[08:40] <bob2> Pickle_Weasel: you have a real external or ISA modem?
[08:40] <skyred> is there any dvd-cutter tool which allows me to cut & save certain portions?
[08:41] <Ex-Cyber> skyred: there's a GUI editing/encoding/transcoding tool but the name escapes me at the moment :(
[08:41] <skyred> :(
[08:41] <skyred> is it a linux tool?
[08:42] <skyred> avidemux?
[08:42] <hondje> avidemux is one
[08:42] <bob2> just use drip
[08:42] <bob2> or thoggen
[08:42] <fdorrington> bob2: that command isn't found
[08:42] <Ex-Cyber> yeah, I think I was thinking of avidemux
[08:42] <Pickle_Weasel> ISA? i have a PCI Winmodem, but i got that working, i just need a dialer
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> avidemux is the shit
[08:43] <skyred> shit??
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> it's a GREAT program
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> sorry
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> slang
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Pickle_Weasel:  sudo pppconfig , and use  pon/poff to connect/disconnect
[08:43] <mattyJ> my freind has remote desktop set up, what program can i use to connect to his computer?
[08:43] <topyli> americans
[08:43] <ethan> Hello!
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> yeah we suck
[08:43] <topyli> yep :)
[08:43] <skyred> PurpleMotion:  i thought u meant its a lousy program
[08:43] <hondje> almost as bad as finns :p
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> but i dont wanna live here anymore, so i only kinda suck
[08:43] <topyli> hehe
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> i want to defect to canada
[08:43] <Pickle_Weasel> wow, that sound almost too simple
[08:43] <ethan> right so i kinda need some help... lol
[08:44] <ethan> I'm having a really hard time getting any sound with ubuntu on my iBook
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> hows it run on that ibook?
[08:44] <ethan> it runs great..  but theres no sound
[08:44] <Madpilot> Is there something that'll display .eps files in Ubuntu? (I think I've asked bofore, but forgotten the answer...)
[08:44] <ethan> lol..
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> okay
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> im going to bed
[08:45] <ethan> aww..
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> im falling asleep here
[08:45] <ethan> lol
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, inkscape might
[08:45] <ethan> do you know how to get sound working purplemotion?
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[08:45] <ethan> ok..
[08:45] <CoffeeBreaks> if I plug a USB disk, shouldn't there be some kind of automount in hoary? It works with media cards and USB flash disks, but not for this 'normal' disk.
[08:45] <topyli> PurpleMotion: you have such weird time zones and all :)
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> install alsa from scratch (from source)
[08:45] <ethan> i dont think its even seeing my sound card
[08:45] <ethan> ok how should i do that?
[08:45] <Digis> any issues I should know before upgrading hoary->breezy?
[08:45] <benplaut> Burgundavia, i really do want to make a LaptopTesting page, but the wiki won't let me login :P
[08:46] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: nope, not these ones, anyway
[08:46] <Digis> X allready working?
[08:46] <FatalCure> I thought this was supposed ot be linux for human beings. yet I can't play mp3's, I have no java, my cd drive doesnt work - as if there is no power ...
[08:46] <lancellor> hey guys how do i close a application that is running in cinsole like  Xlink Kaid
[08:46] <Ex-Cyber> PurpleMotion: this is probably a silly question, but I'm curious: does your choice of nick have anything to do with FC?
[08:46] <Madpilot> FatalCure: the mp3 & Java things are easy to cure
[08:46] <ethan> PurpleMotion,   How should i go about doing this?
[08:46] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  what country over there is it that recognizes no form of computer crimes?
[08:46] <Madpilot> !mp3
[08:46] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[08:46] <Madpilot> !java
[08:46] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:46] <FatalCure> fc??
[08:46] <PurpleMotion> ethan:  start at www.alsa.org - oh, and good luck :)
[08:46] <ethan> hmm
[08:46] <topyli> PurpleMotion: none. but the nordic ones around sweden are pretty liberal
[08:46] <Madpilot> FatalCure: see ubotu's posts above ^^^
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> ive not dont it myself on ubuntu
[08:47] <ethan> i went there...
[08:47] <CoffeeBreaks> FatalCure: you can't have Java on free systems. Java's not free. Same for mp3. But you can find them (or at least mp3) in a non official ubuntu repository
[08:47] <FatalCure> Yer ill take a look
[08:47] <ethan> I'm just confused what to do..
[08:47] <Madpilot> CoffeeBreaks: you can get Java thru the hoary-extras repo
[08:48] <FatalCure> and whats that?
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> ive never been asked to pay for a java vm in my life
[08:48] <lancellor> i open kaid in console and when i close it and try to open again is telling me is already running how do i kill an aplication
[08:48] <hondje> Free as in Libre, not free as in gratis
[08:48] <Burgundavia> benplaut, can you login to launchpad?
[08:48] <topyli> PurpleMotion: also, russians may be a bit lazy to prosecute for that sort of thing
[08:48] <FatalCure> Ive used windows all my life.. I want somethign install I double clickt he installer... please talk to me as if you are talking to an infant
[08:48] <mattyJ> anyone know how to connect to another pc running vino?
[08:48] <Madpilot> !tell FatalCure about synaptic
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  and american men are looked upon as gods by russian women
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> SKEET
[08:49] <Madpilot> FatalCure: Synaptic makes installing most things in Ubuntu even easier than "double-click on installer"...
[08:49] <topyli> PurpleMotion: don't count on it these days though :)
[08:49] <fdorrington> ok resolved the keyring problem.
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  not what i heard from my friend who spent a month there earlier this year
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  he said he bounced around from warm spot to warm spot the whole time
[08:50] <landotter> heya all, not seeing "grubconf" in Hoary's Synaptic, any suggestions for an alternative?
[08:51] <topyli> PurpleMotion: you know better than me then. i've last been to russia in the soviet times
[08:51] <fdorrington> Does someone know how to record from the mic in sound recorder without feeding the mic input through the speakers? This is on a ISA AWE64
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> he said pretty much all he did was get drunk and take advantage of the effect american men have on russian women, heh
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  I was there _just_ after
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> 1995
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> err 1995
[08:52] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i was there in maybe 1899 and was sold "glasnost" t-shirts
[08:52] <topyli> very cool
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[08:53] <lancellor> how do i kill or close an aplication in console???
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> I sat for a whole day in st. basils
[08:53] <LasseL> damn you must be old
[08:53] <topyli> heh
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> how old is that church? almost a thousand years
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> something like that
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> there is no history like that here
[08:53] <topyli> it's a great country
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> the rest of the world is old.. once youve seen it, this place looks 'cheap'
[08:54] <DekaPink> Blast!
[08:54] <topyli> PurpleMotion: glass and money :)
[08:54] <Ex-Cyber> fdorrington: I wish I could give specific instructions but my best guess is that you have to use a mixer app to mute the mic channel output
[08:54] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i've only been to atlanta though
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> atlanta is a hell of a town
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> im driving through it tomorrow night
[08:55] <DekaPink> I've just installed the ATI drivers, and now 3D is working... but when I try to open a video in mplayer, it says "fatal error! error opening/initializing selected video_out (-vo) device"
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> on myw ay to florida
[08:55] <fdorrington> Ex-Cyber: yeah I've used the ossmixer properties. But when I mute the mic output it stops it being recorded
[08:55] <ethan> so does anybody else know how to get sound working on my iBook in ubuntu??
[08:55] <ethan> = /
[08:55] <topyli> oh, ubuntu talk!
[08:56] <ethan> lol
[08:56] <FatalCure> ok this seems alot easier then the tutorials on net I found.. I should have come here earlier
[08:56] <ethan> I just have absolutely no sound..
[08:56] <FatalCure> so ubuntu comes with all these packages? and I just click em to install em via the  synaptic package manager thingy?
[08:56] <topyli> yes
[08:57] <Madpilot> FatalCure: pretty much
[08:57] <FatalCure> damn someone could have said that 3 days ago... here I am trying to install java by following this tutorial on the net
[08:57] <ethan> I seriously need to get sound working
[08:57] <DekaPink> Anyone know what it might be about?
[08:57] <ethan> hheeeelllppppp
[08:57] <Madpilot> FatalCure: start at the Ubuntu wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:57] <FatalCure> lines and lines of sudo code
[08:59] <CoffeeBreaks> what is the system used by hoary to automount external devices? It works for multimetia card but not for one of my disks
[08:59] <topyli> FatalCure: doesn't it have instructions for just getting it with apt?
[08:59] <FatalCure> no.. and I dunno what apt is
[08:59] <topyli> ah
[09:00] <voltagex> one question, why does dictd have to be restarted after every dictionary install? couldn't it just be restarted after all dictionaries have been installed?
[09:00] <FatalCure> I just started using linux 2 days ago... the majority of tutorials on net presume you know everything bout it already
[09:00] <Madpilot> FatalCure: apt-get is the command line version of Synaptic, basically (a gross generalization, but it'll do)
[09:00] <topyli> FatalCure: just the first thing it says: add the repository, search for j2re in synaptic
[09:01] <FatalCure> Yer but then half the ftp servers for the apt get updates thing are down or changed
[09:01] <topyli> FatalCure: yeah, some of them don't work
[09:01] <FatalCure> Yer but how am I supposed to know what that mean
[09:01] <Madpilot> FatalCure: the main Ubuntu repos are stable - not sure about all the mirrors...
[09:01] <durt> FatalCure: you need java eh?
[09:02] <durt> i just helped someone with that
[09:02] <FatalCure> I didn't know what where the reposityory was or what synaptic was until i came here
[09:02] <topyli> FatalCure: look at the backports web page for mirrors: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[09:02] <topyli> FatalCure: add one, launch synaptic and update. you should have j2re then
[09:03] <Madpilot> the mirrormax mirror I know is good, I use it myself
[09:03] <topyli> yep
[09:04] <benplaut> how can i make the xscreensaver lock better looking in breezy?
[09:04] <FatalCure> Ok so after I mark the things I want for installation in package manager where do I click to install those
[09:04] <chinabright> i just wanna say durt rules and your guys rock for being here for freaking newbies like me that are soo lost
[09:04] <Madpilot> FatalCure: the Apply button
[09:04] <chinabright> so thanks
[09:04] <voltagex> gah still 17min til I'm back in guiland
[09:04] <DekaPink> Pah. The world hates me. x(
[09:04] <benplaut> DekaPink, it hates all of us :)
[09:04] <chinabright> ubuntu hates me
[09:04] <FatalCure> oh ok
[09:04] <chinabright> me
[09:04] <durt> im a noobie too
[09:05] <chinabright> lol
[09:05] <topyli> ubuntu loves everybody
[09:05] <DekaPink> I just want working video driver and working video player... at the same time... :(
[09:05] <topyli> that's not so much to ask
[09:05] <Madpilot> DekaPink: tried Totem or one of the others?
[09:06] <topyli> DekaPink: totem-xine and w32codecs should handle pretty much everything
[09:06] <durt> DekaPink: what video driver are you using?
[09:06] <chinabright> ok ill check you guys out later im gone
[09:06] <chinabright> poof
[09:06] <DekaPink> durt: ATI drivers from their site.
[09:06] <FatalCure> and after they install do I have to restart or anything? Im getting the gstreamer and java packages
[09:06] <DekaPink> Totem works... but I like mplayer. :3
[09:06] <topyli> DekaPink: they are notorioysly crappy
[09:07] <Madpilot> DekaPink: the ATI drivers in the repos don't work for you?
[09:07] <topyli> DekaPink: oh, mplayer
[09:07] <voltagex> mplayer > *
[09:07] <Madpilot> DekaPink: I like programs that work. Totem works, so... :)
[09:07] <voltagex> cos it plays just about anything I throw at it
[09:07] <DekaPink> Madpilot: Well, they didn't the last time I tried. :3
[09:07] <durt> FatalCure: you dont need to restart i dont think
[09:07] <FatalCure> ok
[09:07] <topyli> voltagex: it just doesn't have a decent gui
[09:08] <durt> what java thing did you install
[09:08] <durt> ?
[09:08] <Madpilot> FatalCure: there is only one upgrade that'll require a restart of a Linux computer - adding Java isn't it!
[09:08] <topyli> heh
[09:08] <voltagex> topyli this is true
[09:09] <FatalCure> ok cool
[09:09] <voltagex> but I'll usually use it from konsole
[09:09] <topyli> yeah, it's better not to mess with the gui
[09:09] <DekaPink> Though Totem's aspect ratio menu doesn't seem to actually change the aspect ratio.
[09:09] <FatalCure> I think i am starting to like linux alot more now that I know about the package manager
[09:10] <Madpilot> FatalCure: it's easier than messing around on the command line, that's for sure.
[09:10] <durt> Madpilot: you said earlier that j2re was in the ubuntu repositories - you mean the blackdown one right?
[09:10] <topyli> FatalCure: well, it's one of the main attractions :)
[09:10] <voltagex> FatalCure: yeah I didn't know what make && make install meant when I started so apt-get was great
[09:10] <Madpilot> durt: no, the real thing from Sun, it's in hoary-extras
[09:10] <Madpilot> !repos
[09:10] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:10] <Ex_Cyber> eh
[09:10] <voltagex> except when you're on australian "broadband" - 3.5hrs to get kde and x
[09:10] <durt> ok
[09:10] <bimberi> luxury :)
[09:10] <Madpilot> durt: see the bottom of that AddingRepositories page with ubotu ^^^
[09:10] <Ex_Cyber> I thought blackdown was essentially "the real thing from Sun", just built/packaged by the blackdown java project
[09:11] <FatalCure> haha Im on unwired, fucking shit speeds for heaps of money yay
[09:11] <topyli> you have broadband? when i was young we used to carry around TCP/IP packets in racksacks!
[09:11] <lancellor> i was running kaid on kubuntu no problem but with gnome i'm having this problem http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12353&sid=7798095d7d1aa307778b1fda09858670
[09:11] <voltagex> FatalCure: is it really that bad?
[09:11] <lancellor> how do i kill the other kaid
[09:11] <voltagex> FatalCure: gotta be better than 256/64 adsl
[09:12] <bimberi> well of course we had it tough, we sent bits of paper with 0's and 1's by carrier pigeon
[09:12] <FatalCure> u reckon
[09:12] <voltagex> FatalCure: what's your top d/l speed?
[09:12] <Madpilot> bimberi: is channeling Monty Python sketches allowed here? :)
[09:12] <topyli> finland, "the IT capital of the world" is finally starting to have real broadband
[09:12] <FatalCure> Havent ever tested it... around 40k a second though
[09:12] <durt> oh!... I gotcha madpilot
[09:13] <voltagex> FatalCure: 26k/s top here
[09:13] <durt> oops a little late
[09:13] <bimberi> Madpilot: much as i'd love too ...
[09:13] <voltagex> topyli: got fibre?
[09:13] <bimberi> :)
[09:13] <topyli> bimberi: lol. you had pigeons? ... oh, let's drop it
[09:13] <bimberi> lol
[09:13] <FatalCure> but thats 12 gigs only until it drops to 64k
[09:14] <topyli> voltagex: not everybody, but the speeds are getting better on dsl
[09:14] <Ex_Cyber> heh, my top dl speed here is more like 26kb/s, where b = bits
[09:14] <DekaPink> Ooooh. Turns out the problem was the drivers apparently don't support xv
[09:14] <topyli> voltagex: fiber is for business still
[09:14] <voltagex> FatalCure: don;t tell anyone, but I do 32gb+ a month on a supposed 12gb plan
[09:14] <DekaPink> So I just changed it to x11
[09:14] <FatalCure> yer well mine always drops... grr
[09:14] <topyli> DekaPink: x11 always works, but it's not the fastest one
[09:15] <FatalCure> I used 10/12 gigs in about 1.2 weeks then try and last the rest of month
[09:15] <topyli> DekaPink: you're on ATI right? so you may not get full mplayer support. dunno
[09:15] <voltagex> topyli: fibre is some mythical thing here... 1.5mbit ADSL costs $AUD80+
[09:15] <DekaPink> topyli: Just as long as it works, I'm happy. :)
[09:16] <FatalCure> Im paying AUD $120 for a 1mbit line..
[09:16] <topyli> voltagex: $AU is a bit more than $US right?
[09:16] <voltagex> err $1AUD=about $1.60US I think
[09:16] <topyli> voltagex: such a connection would be something like 30 to 40 euros here
[09:17] <topyli> voltagex: that's pretty darn expensive
[09:17] <tseedmund> no 1 AUD is only like 60c US
[09:17] <voltagex> topyli: so lucky, that's only about $60AUD
[09:17] <voltagex> oh whoops I got it round the wrong way........
[09:17] <durt> is it true that toilets flush the opposite direction in australia?
[09:17] <topyli> yeah. they are paying their promises now here :)
[09:17] <tseedmund> well depends on where you are right now
[09:17] <voltagex> nope that's a myth
[09:17] <Madpilot> 1.00 AUD = 0.75 USD
[09:18] <Ex_Cyber> I read somewhere that "real" (i.e. multihomed datacenter) bandwidth costs around $100/mbit/month in the US, heh
[09:18] <voltagex> aha
[09:18] <tseedmund> well yeah if you get the most current exchange rates..
[09:18] <topyli> voltagex: the water thing? i've always believed it :)
[09:18] <voltagex> topyli: I'm 90% sure it's a myth
[09:18] <topyli> go check :)
[09:18] <tseedmund> I think it's true
[09:18] <durt> why dont we test it
[09:18] <voltagex> topyli: and dropbears don't exist, and kangaroos are not pets
[09:19] <tseedmund> lol
[09:19] <topyli> heh
[09:19] <voltagex> you can see it with the water... if I move the tap to the other side or change the angle the water in the basin goes the other way
[09:19] <Ex_Cyber> AFAIK the hemisphere-specific effect rotation-draining effect is real but it's vastly overwhelmed by the design of the toilet/sink/whatever unless said toilet/sink/whatever is really huge
[09:19] <topyli> voltagex: oh, so it's not a hemispheric thing?
[09:19] <tseedmund> that's true
[09:20] <voltagex> gah can I get unicode/utf8 in ubuntu? german text looks reaaaaaaaaally weird
[09:20] <topyli> Ex_Cyber: makes sense
[09:20] <topyli> voltagex: hoary defaults to utf8
[09:20] <FatalCure> kangaroos are pests not pets
[09:20] <voltagex> topyli: well something's not working as advertised on the can
[09:21] <topyli> bimberi: that's a pool of wisdom!
[09:21] <FatalCure> common misconception
[09:21] <topyli> heh
[09:21] <topyli> voltagex: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:21] <bimberi> but all our secrets are being given away.  Next thing will be that all the snakes are harmless :)
[09:21] <voltagex> where there should be umlauts I get mutant ae+random ascii character
[09:21] <topyli> and pick an utf8 locale
[09:21] <Madpilot> bimberi: just !lart them... ;)
[09:22] <topyli> !lart australia
[09:22] <bimberi> !lart australian sporting teams of the moment
[09:22] <topyli> hehe
[09:22] <bob2> not our fault we beat everyone
[09:23] <topyli> !lart finland
[09:23] <topyli> how appropriate
[09:24] <topyli> damn i have 3 evolutions running
[09:24] <voltagex> topyli: I'm now using en_AU UTF8 and still getting garbled characters
[09:24] <topyli> hmm
[09:25] <voltagex> I'll see what it's like in X once it's installed
[09:25] <voltagex> i actually used the excuse that I didn't have X installed to not do homework......
[09:25] <Madpilot> voltagex: did your teacher understand the excuse?
[09:26] <topyli> voltagex: gnome should handle it graciously, consoles are a bit more tricky
[09:26] <voltagex> Madpilot: this was my parents I talked to, didn't use those words
[09:26] <ubuntu> hi
[09:26] <AMCDeathKnight> How do you get ssh running in live cd?
[09:26] <voltagex> Madpilot: I said "in 10min i'll have some semblance of a word processor"
[09:26] <topyli> voltagex: "my tools are b0rken right now, gotta fix them"
[09:27] <eps> AMCDeathKnight /etc/init.d/sshd start ?
[09:27] <voltagex> topyli: eeeew gnome
[09:27] <AMCDeathKnight> no file or directory
[09:27] <voltagex> topyli: although when ubuntu was first installed I was using gno,e amd I don't see what all the fuss is about
[09:27] <topyli> voltagex: well, i guess kde can pretty much handle something too :)
[09:27] <eps> AMCDeathKnight not sure default ubuntu has as ssh server installed
[09:27] <eps> gnome > kde :)
[09:27] <AMCDeathKnight>  dont think so; but how can i enable it
[09:28] <AMCDeathKnight> i need to get it running in live cd
[09:28] <topyli> voltagex: no fuss. that's the point of gnome :)
[09:28] <AMCDeathKnight> there must be away
[09:28] <voltagex> FLAMEWAR!!!!1111oneone!!!!11eleven
[09:28] <Nexinarus> heh
[09:28] <eps> AMCDeathKnight apt-get install openssh-server
[09:28] <voltagex> brb going to the land of kde
[09:28] <topyli> heh
[09:28] <Nexinarus> hey- any slick c++ ide for ubuntu (gui) ?
[09:29] <Nexinarus> anyone do c++ coding in here? or am i asking the wrong people?
[09:29] <redguy> Nexinarus: emacs?
[09:29] <topyli> Nexinarus: kde has a nice ide called kdevelop. i guess you can do it in anjuta as well
[09:29] <topyli> oh, emacs of course!
[09:29] <eps> I found out why my windows install takes four minutes plus to boot today... who would have thought - it scans your my documents while booting ... and would you never guess, I have six gigs worth of files in my docs
[09:30] <Nexinarus> isnt emacs console?
[09:30] <eps> emacs is evil! evillllll!!!!
[09:30] <bob2> no
[09:30] <tomaj> how would i go about starting azureus from tty1? DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus doesnt work
[09:30] <bob2> emacs is an excellent IDE, tho
[09:30] <bob2> tomaj: it will work if you run it as the user logged in on DISPLAY :0
[09:30] <Nexinarus> oh, ill check emacs then
[09:30] <topyli> emacs is both console and X
[09:30] <tomaj> bob2 i did and it didnt
[09:30] <bob2> tomaj: and the error was ....
[09:30] <eps> Nexinarus I normally use vi/vim/gedit
[09:30] <tomaj> bob2: i'll try again o
[09:31] <^^frank^^> breezy: disappeared any icon on desktop; context-menu (right mouse button) not working. Any hint?
[09:31] <Nexinarus> !breezy
[09:31] <ubotu> methinks breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:31] <Nexinarus> lol
[09:31] <tomaj> bob2: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:31] <Nexinarus> ok maybe i wont get breezy
[09:32] <bob2> so, you're not logged into X, or you're logged in a sa different user on the console
[09:32] <bob2> why are you starting it from VT1, anyway?
[09:32] <tomaj> no
[09:32] <tomaj> bob2: im not
[09:32] <tomaj> bob2: because i want to start it from cron
[09:33] <bob2> so, there you go
[09:33] <topyli> i like that. "it can and will be broken". how would anything progress otherwise? :)
[09:33] <VoltageX> aaah need bigger resolution!
[09:33] <tomaj> bob2: it doesnt work
[09:33] <tomaj> bob2: im logged in as tomaj in both gnome and tty1
[09:33] <VoltageX> is there a graphical xorg.conf creator?
[09:33] <^^frank^^> ubotu: will be possible (simply) upgrade from Hoary to Breezy (when it will be release) ? Just change sources.list?
[09:33] <ubotu> ^^frank^^: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[09:34] <tomaj> ^^frank^^: you know ubotu is just a bot right?
[09:34] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[09:34] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:34] <Angrod> i downloaded a .deb package. how do i install it?
[09:34] <Madpilot> Angrod: "dpkg -i <name>.deb"
[09:34] <topyli> Angrod: why did you download it and what is it?
[09:35] <topyli> Angrod: not  apt-gettable?
[09:35] <Angrod> nope, not apt-getable :)
[09:35] <^^frank^^> !ubotu
[09:35] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:35] <tomaj> topyli: stop your banter, this is a channel about ubuntu not socialising mmk
[09:35] <bob2> tomaj: you ran "export DISPLAY=:0" and then "azereus"?
[09:35] <Angrod> do i need to be "su" when i install?
[09:35] <tomaj> export?
[09:36] <bob2> Angrod: no, use sudo
[09:36] <bob2> tomaj: just run it
[09:36] <Madpilot> Angrod: "sudo dpkg... etc"
[09:36] <Angrod> oki
[09:36] <tomaj> bob2: no i ran "DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus"
[09:36] <Nexinarus> omg xemacs is 30meg.. im gonna run out of money heh
[09:36] <Angrod> oki, thanks :)
[09:36] <bob2> tomaj: then run what I suggested
[09:36] <topyli> Nexinarus: it's big in size and in features
[09:36] <tomaj> bob2: i just did and it still doesnt work
[09:37] <Nexinarus> oh actually i might be able to afford..
[09:37] <bob2> tomaj: what's the output of "env | grep DISPLAY"?
[09:37] <tomaj> tty7?
[09:37] <bob2> Nexinarus: if you pay per byte, why not install emacs21 from the CD?
[09:37] <bob2> tomaj: that's wrong
[09:38] <topyli> Nexinarus: and have the cd in your sources.list too
[09:38] <tomaj> bob2: DISPLAY=:0.0
[09:38] <tomaj> bob2: i asked where to run it
[09:38] <Nexinarus> oh cool emacs is on cd? great
[09:38] <ompaul> ^^frank^^, you will be able to but apt-get dist-upgrade is a step in there - that is the way of the upgrade with a move of haory to breezy in the sources
[09:38] <bob2> tomaj: you run it from the termainl you want to run azeurus
[09:38] <topyli> Nexinarus: some extensions may not be on it, but those aren't so big
[09:39] <bob2> tomaj: works for me
[09:39] <bob2> not with az*
[09:39] <tomaj> bob2: DISPLAY=:0 is the output
[09:39] <ompaul> ^^frank^^, it has been going on for years this upgrading thing in Debian (though some would say not often enough :))
[09:39] <tomaj> bob2: vs DISPLAY=:0.0 in gnome
[09:39] <bob2> tomaj: shouldn't matter
[09:39] <bob2> try the other if you like
[09:39] <tomaj> how?
[09:40] <ompaul> ^^frank^^, given that ubuntu is based on debian so we have the same dependable structure for upgrading
[09:40] <spine55> I'm having a problem getting apache2 to start on boot. I reinstalled and it still will not start is there something I can do manually?
[09:41] <Nexinarus> is there a command apached? i cant remember, a few months since i used it
[09:41] <ompaul> spine55, /etc/init.d/apache2 start <<-- that should do it
[09:41] <tomaj> bob2: it also says something about invalid mit-magic-cookie-key after the server error
[09:41] <FatalCure> grr I just saw someone ask this before but never read responses..
[09:41] <FatalCure> I don't seem to have any sound?
[09:41] <Tibolo> if someone know how to uncompress .zip files?
[09:41] <tomaj> Tibolo double click
[09:41] <Nexinarus> double click it?
[09:41] <^^frank^^> [breezy]  any icon on the desktop is disappeared. I can't use context menu on desktop (i.e. to create a new launcher link)
[09:41] <spine55> ompaul, ya that works but how can I make it run on boot?
[09:42] <spine55> Nexinarus, no such file
[09:43] <Selekta> yo
[09:43] <tomaj> bob2: are you still looking into it?
[09:43] <Selekta> how do i make a boot floppy to install ubuntu on a machine that doesn't support botting from cd?
[09:43] <Madpilot> spine55: if the apache2 start line doesn't work, are you absolutely sure you installed it right?
[09:44] <Nexinarus> spine55: yeah sorry.. ompaul: spine55, /etc/init.d/apache2 start <<-- that should do it
[09:44] <spine55> Madpilot, well I installed it with synaptic
[09:44] <Madpilot> spine55: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:44] <Tibolo> tomaj ok...i'm a newbie in linux and i uncompress the .zip files, and i want to install a plugin for amsn and i don't know how to do?
[09:45] <tomaj> tibolo: to open a zip file double click it and the archive manager should start
[09:45] <Madpilot> spine55: OK, I used Synaptic and it worked for me, including auto-start on boot...
[09:45] <Tibolo> for uncompress it's ok
[09:45] <tomaj> oh ok, well i've never used amsn tibolo so im not sure how to do the rest...
[09:45] <Zaph> hi all
[09:46] <Zaph> I am having troubles..
[09:46] <spine55> Madpilot, ahh I think I see the problem
[09:46] <Tibolo> i'm used with Windows and my first reaction is to search an execute files :)
[09:46] <Zaph> I am running Ubuntu in VMWare Workstation... and I want to change my resolution.
[09:46] <tomaj> tibolo im assuming its used to connect to msn, why not use gaim?
[09:46] <Zaph> I see other options for the resolution, but if I change it, it just reverts back to the original res...
[09:46] <Madpilot> Tibolo: no such thing here! ;)  have you tried gaim for msn access?
[09:46] <Zaph> any ideas how to solve this?
[09:47] <Madpilot> !fixres
[09:47] <ubotu> hmm... fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:47] <Tibolo> yes but gaim have not a lot of options like amsn
[09:47] <Madpilot> Zaph: see ubotu ^^^
[09:47] <tomaj> tibolo: what option is it you are missing?
[09:47] <Tibolo> webcam
[09:47] <Madpilot> spine55: what was the problem?
[09:47] <Zaph> hmmm.... I will go look at that... but I think it is actually a VMWare issue...
[09:47] <Tibolo> or smileys
[09:48] <tomaj> tibolo: it has smilies you just have to enable them in the preferences
[09:48] <topyli> sure gaim has them
[09:48] <spine55> Madpilot, false alarm I'll let you know
[09:48] <Zaph> !vmware
[09:48] <ubotu> Not a clue, Zaph
[09:48] <Tibolo> i activate but it don't have a lot
[09:49] <tomaj> tibolo: fair enough, i cant help you with amsn though because i havnt used it
[09:49] <Tibolo> i will try by myself to install it..thx for the help tomaj
[09:49] <tomaj> np tibolo
[09:49] <FatalCure> D I have to do anything to get my speakers working with ubnuntu? I don't seem to have any sound
[09:49] <Nexinarus> oo emacs looks great
[09:50] <tomaj> bob2: u there?
[09:50] <tristanmike> good nite all
[09:50] <DrSpin> hey all!! quick question... how can I make sure that all of my dbus-daemon-1 instances are closed when I logout of XFCE??
[09:50] <tomaj> nite
[09:51] <topyli> Nexinarus: have a nice year learning all the features :-)
[09:51] <topyli> Nexinarus: and customizing!
[09:52] <voltagex> how can I mount my ntfs drives so they can be read by all users?
[09:52] <Madpilot> !ntfs
[09:52] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[09:52] <DrSpin> voltagex http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:53] <voltagex> ok
[09:54] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[09:54] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[09:54] <topyli> Tibolo: amsn supports webcams?
[09:55] <tomaj> anyone know how to get azureus starting from tty1?
[09:55] <Nexinarus> voltagex: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222 (assuming the folder /mnt/windows exists, and the ntfs partition is on hda1)
[09:56] <topyli> tomaj: i would use a real console app
[09:56] <tomaj> topyli: i need to get azureus running
[09:56] <Tibolo> topyli : yes aMSN CVS
[09:56] <topyli> Tibolo: very cool
[09:56] <Tibolo> but i didn't try it yet
[09:57] <topyli> tomaj: why azureus? it's just one option of many
[09:57] <Nexinarus> hmm emacs is crazy
[09:57] <tomaj> topyli: because its leet and my bittorrent client of choice, do you know how to get it running from tty1?
[09:57] <topyli> Nexinarus: i would have to agree, but it's one of the greatest programs ever :)
[09:57] <Nexinarus> wow its really tripping me out haha
[09:58] <topyli> tomaj: it's an X app, and a java app, so honestly i don't
[09:58] <tomaj> ok thanx anyway topyli
[09:58] <topyli> Nexinarus: do "M-x doctor" if you start feeling weird :)
[09:59] <topyli> M = ALT
[09:59] <Nexinarus> hmm it likes to beep a lot
[10:00] <topyli> you make too many mistakes :)
[10:00] <topyli> you can stop it from beeping
[10:00] <pinko> ...why would azureus run in tty1?
[10:00] <Nexinarus> how, topyli?
[10:00] <spine55> Madpilot, got it
[10:01] <spine55> Madpilot, for some reason /etc/default/apache2 was set to no start
[10:01] <topyli> Nexinarus: hold on while i put my ~/.emacs on the web so you can see too
[10:02] <Keito> Hi
[10:02] <Madpilot> spine55: interesting... I don't think that's the default setting - wasn't for me, anyway
[10:02] <spine55> Madpilot, changed the line there to NO_START=0
[10:02] <spine55> Madpilot, well it could have happened when I installed both apache and apache2
[10:03] <spine55> Madpilot, only thing I can think of
[10:03] <bob2> why did you install both and not configure one to listen on a nother port/ip?
[10:03] <Madpilot> spine55: could be - never bothered with Apache 1.3.33 here
[10:03] <spine55> bob2, well I installed apache by mistake or else I would have
[10:04] <mojo333> can anyone tell me what I need to do to remove a previous kernel?
[10:04] <bob2> in the default config, only one will run
[10:04] <bob2> the other will fail to start
[10:04] <spine55> bob2, yeah that's what happened most def
[10:04] <topyli> Nexinarus: http://siltala.net/comp/dot-emacs -- don't just copy that, but there may be snippets you want
[10:04] <bob2> mojo333: the relevant linux-image package
[10:04] <spine55> well thanks for the help guys!
[10:05] <voltagex> bye all
[10:05] <mojo333> I can do it through snyaptic?
[10:05] <Nexinarus> um topyli what is that?
[10:05] <Nexinarus> what file?
[10:05] <bob2> mojo333: of coure
[10:05] <topyli> Nexinarus: .emacs in my home directory
[10:06] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: you use emacs?
[10:06] <Razor-X> kickass :)
[10:06] <Nexinarus> ya
[10:06] <topyli> Nexinarus: forget the "custom-set-variables" but see the stuff i wrote myself
[10:06] <Razor-X> don't forget to use erc, shell, ansi-term, and the works
[10:06] <No1Viking> Anyone have an idea if there are a e-mail client that has more than one inbox, like Becky Internetmail?
[10:06] <Razor-X> eshell
[10:07] <bob2> erc isn't the best irc client in the world
[10:07] <Nexinarus> hmm so many new names, im gonna forget em all
[10:07] <mojo333> should I use removal or complete removal?
[10:07] <bob2> mojo333: either
[10:07] <Razor-X> NolViking: almost all modern email clients allow multiple inboxes
[10:07] <Nexinarus> im using gaim for irc right now, works great heh
[10:07] <bob2> No1Viking: more than one inbox?  what does that mean?
[10:07] <Razor-X> bob2: no, but it is pretty nice even still
[10:07] <bob2> all modern MUAs let you have arbitrary numbers of folders
[10:08] <Razor-X> tell me Frys has a better selection of keyboards than they advertise
[10:09] <Razor-X> wait... will I ever be able to convert my emacs'ing to a natural keyboard.... :(
[10:10] <jklappenbach> got a question about setting up more than one account for login.
[10:10] <jklappenbach> Anyone available to help out?
[10:10] <Razor-X> jklappenbach: for what?
[10:10] <Razor-X> multiple services use accounts
[10:10] <bob2> best to just ask your question
[10:11] <Razor-X> multiple clients support one service
[10:11] <Belutz> hoorayy i just got my ship it cds just now :D
[10:11] <Nexinarus> heh
[10:11] <No1Viking> bob2: I need to have one e-mailclient where I can setup serveral mailaccounts and every account should have one inbox.
[10:12] <pinko> those things look like fun, Razor-X
[10:12] <bob2> No1Viking: any client could do that...
[10:12] <Razor-X> pinko: better than mice, IMO
[10:13] <Razor-X> I use a thumb-based one though, so it just looks like a modified mouse
[10:13] <jklappenbach> I've followed the faq, and added new users through System->Administration->Users & Groups.  However, when they try to logon, the system reports failure.
[10:13] <pinko> I'd use anything that would fit in the split of my split keyboard.
[10:13] <jklappenbach> I'd like to be able to create separate accounts for my wife and children.
[10:13] <pinko> even if it's the nipple
[10:14] <pinko> that's where I'd most like a mouse-type thing
[10:14] <Razor-X> pinko: :)
[10:14] <Razor-X> you use a split keyboard?
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> I use a split keyboard
[10:14] <Razor-X> this keyboard is so old, I have orange seeds and what not in here
[10:14] <Razor-X> the sweat stains are so embedded on the keys, they won't come off
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> (at work, home I use model M)
[10:14] <pinko> hehe
[10:14] <bob2> jklappenbach: sure you used the right password?  what does "report failure" mean?
[10:14] <Razor-X> and, the main factor, this is my dad's keyboard :)
[10:15] <jklappenbach> Means that the login is refused.  Something like username or password is incorrect, be sure to observe case.
[10:15] <Razor-X> I already use Dvorak, so that's not a problem, but I want something more effecient, only something that won't totally destroy my emacs/browser muscle memory
[10:15] <jklappenbach> I tried it myself, and I'm certain I used the same passwords I assigned the accounts.
[10:15] <topyli> Nexinarus: gaim has an advantage: beagle is aware of it :)
[10:16] <jklappenbach> If this isn't a known issue, then perhaps I've just smoked too much craque.
[10:16] <Razor-X> I was looking into HHKL2 and Das, but I'm going to Frys tomorrow, and that's like a biyearly event
[10:16] <bob2> jklappenbach: does logging in to the terminal work?
[10:17] <jklappenbach> Ah.  I'll try that.  Hold on and thanks, bob2
[10:17] <hubsi> i'm back
[10:18] <jklappenbach> @*#$.  what's the command line statement to log in as a different user on the terminal?
[10:19] <nickrud> topyli, I just dropped in: do have a quicko howto for beagle for dummies?
[10:19] <jklappenbach> I used SunOS and solaris over a decade ago, and am now back in the fold.
[10:19] <Belutz> jklappenbach: su username
[10:19] <nickrud> *you :)
[10:19] <bob2> jklappenbach: ctrl-alt-f1
[10:20] <nickrud> or, just say go do some research, my skin is thick ;)
[10:20] <topyli> nickrud: no such thing as beagle for dummies, beagle is a bit funky. but instructions are at http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[10:21] <nickrud> topyli, thanks much.
[10:21] <Razor-X> any reccomendations for nice keyboards? (since offtopic is dead)
[10:22] <topyli> nickrud: remember, beagle is very alpha. they're trying to get it to work somehow in breezy :)
[10:22] <jklappenbach> su reports: Authentication failure\nSorry.
[10:22] <Belutz> Razor-X: i think logitech keyboard is nice
[10:22] <jklappenbach> Is there a log I can check?
[10:22] <Razor-X> Belutz: of what style?
[10:22] <topyli> Belutz: i agree. i just broke one and am still crying
[10:23] <Razor-X> I like a PS/2 keyboard
[10:23] <bz0b> Is there anyone here that uses ndiswrapper?
[10:23] <Razor-X> mmm, that's specifics for you :)
[10:23] <Belutz> Razor-X: you can take a look at their website www.logitech.com , almost all of their keyboards is nice :)
[10:23] <Razor-X> !ndiswrapper
[10:23] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:23] <bz0b> that can possibly help me out
[10:23] <Belutz> topyli: to bad :)
[10:23] <Belutz> too
[10:23] <Razor-X> anything that's available at Frys?
[10:24] <topyli> Belutz: poured beer into it a week ago, for the too-manieth-time :(
[10:24] <Razor-X> i'm very happy with my Logitech trackball, very very happy
[10:24] <Belutz> what's Frys ?
[10:24] <nickrud> topyli, a quick look says I need to recompile my kernel for exended attributes for ext3: is this needed with a breezy kernel?
[10:24] <Belutz> topyli: hahahaha lol, maybe you should find the spill resistant keyboard
[10:24] <bob2> jklappenbach: /var/log/auth.log
[10:25] <topyli> nickrud: no, it works on hoary kernel without inotify already, and breezy should have it by now
[10:25] <Razor-X> Belutz: you don't live in a European nation, do you? :)
[10:25] <Razor-X> errr, Caucasian dominant nation rather
[10:25] <topyli> Belutz: i replaced it with an 80's IBM monster that should take anything :)
[10:25] <Nexinarus> hmm so with emacs, i have to make my own makefiles to compile?
[10:25] <Belutz> Razor-X: no i'm not, i'm in south east asia, Indonesia
[10:26] <nickrud> topyli, never mind.
[10:26] <bob2> wtf
[10:26] <bob2> Fry's is us-only, afaik
[10:26] <Razor-X> Belutz: ahhh, ok
[10:26] <Razor-X> bob2: yeah, but I have an uncle over from England, and he knows about Frys
[10:26] <Razor-X> and you seem to know about Frys as well
[10:26] <Belutz> topyli: i think there's a good keyboard at www.thinkgeek.com :D
[10:26] <bob2> only from hearing americans talk about it
[10:26] <Razor-X> it may not _exist_ in non-US nations, but they know about it :)
[10:26] <fluffybunny_> how do I extract .rar archives?
[10:27] <Razor-X> well, this uncle loves to go to Frys, meh
[10:27] <bob2> as they assume everything in their country is everywhere
[10:27] <Ng> fluffybunny_: install unrar and/or rar :)
[10:27] <bob2> fluffybunny_: with unrar
[10:27] <ompaul> Razor-X, the whole world knows about fry's :) the problem is that they are US and maybe .ca only
[10:27] <nickrud> topyli, I did a quick look at /boot/config*, and the extended attributes are already enabled. So, time to actually try it, I guess.
[10:27] <topyli> Nexinarus: i would still have a terminal open for that, or you can use "M-x eshell". or if you're in X, you should have something in the tools menu
[10:27] <Ng> fluffybunny_: one or other also then lets the Archive Manager handle them (so rar probably, although it's not open source)
[10:27] <pinko> what do they know about Frys?  that you have a full 40% chance of not getting poop in a box?
[10:27] <topyli> Nexinarus: if you're in a C or C++ or whatever mode
[10:27] <fluffybunny_> thanks
[10:28] <ompaul> pinko, no the existance of the premises of these geek toy stores
[10:28] <Ng> ompaul: why would you assume the whole world knows about some crappy US only hardware store? ;)
[10:28] <topyli> nickrud: you still have to remount your home partition with the user_xaddr option
[10:28] <topyli> i gues
[10:28] <topyli> s
[10:28] <Razor-X> I checked out Logitech's site and they have a whole of three keyboards :)
[10:28] <Nexinarus> how do i run M-x eshell?
[10:28] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: M-x eshell :)
[10:28] <ompaul> Ng, because this muppet knows, :)
[10:28] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: you do know emacs notation, right?
[10:28] <Nexinarus> where, like in a terminal?
[10:28] <nickrud> topyli, thanks for the heas up. I'll have to do a bit of research first.
[10:28] <Nexinarus> noope..
[10:28] <topyli> Nexinarus: M = ALT key, so alt-x eshell
[10:28] <Belutz> i never complain using logitech products
[10:28] <Nexinarus> oh
[10:28] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: do you use the arrow keys in emacs?
[10:28] <bob2> that depends on the keyboard
[10:29] <Ng> ompaul: your sample size might be a bit small ;)
[10:29] <bob2> it really means meta, which is often alt on a PC keyboard
[10:29] <ompaul> Ng, the kind of place you can buy a crap screwdriver or a fluke tester :)
[10:29] <Razor-X> exactly
[10:29] <Madpilot> Razor-X: they've got to have more than that, I've got a dozen+ listed at my usual online comp store...
[10:29] <Nexinarus> oh im at the eshell
[10:29] <mdke> how do I enable suspend to ram?
[10:29] <ompaul> Ng, I guess you could be right
[10:29] <Razor-X> Madpilot: non-cordless, mind you
[10:29] <Razor-X> non-Bluetooth
[10:29] <topyli> Belutz: i'll get another uber-multimedia keyboard from logitech or microsoft i guess
[10:29] <pinko> well, if any of you are non-US and have romantic notions about this geek-heaven, just be cautious.  if it has moving parts, and you can find out elsewhere, do that.
[10:29] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: one of my favorite shells out there
[10:29] <ompaul> pinko, get it from logitech :)
[10:30] <No1Viking> noah, bob2: Not to have one inbox per mailaccount, eg 10 configured mailaccounts should have 10 inboxes.
[10:30] <pinko> *if you can find IT elsewhere, I meant.
[10:30] <jklappenbach> bob2:  I'm back...
[10:30] <pinko> fry's is nice to wander and marvel at stuff you can't afford, though
[10:30] <jklappenbach> So, su [username]  failed for my two new users.
[10:30] <Razor-X> pinko: not when you're armed with $200 :)
[10:30] <Nexinarus> hmm i might waste the bandwidth and download eclipse
[10:31] <Razor-X> ... of which $150 I cannot spend
[10:31] <Nexinarus> emacs is too leet for me..
[10:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: noooo!!!!
[10:31] <nickrud> fry's palo alto was a unique experience :)
[10:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: C-h t RET
[10:31] <mdke> how do I enable suspend to ram? <-- please anyone??
[10:31] <Razor-X> errr, scratch the RET
[10:31] <Razor-X> nickrud: meh :)
[10:31] <Nexinarus> C-h t?
[10:31] <topyli> Nexinarus: if you just want to write some code, try anjuta too
[10:31] <jklappenbach> I once worked with a guy who coded enough lisp to turn emacs into a webclient.
[10:31] <DrSpin> Could someone please tell me how I can restore my XFCE session to DEFAULT after I accidentally chose "save session"
[10:32] <topyli> Nexinarus: M=ALT, C=CTRL
[10:32] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: emacs speak for Ctrl+h then hit t after releasing the mind
[10:32] <pinko> tried xemacs?  sounds delightful
[10:32] <Razor-X> M=Meta (which on most keyboards/keyboard layouts is Left Alt), and C=Ctrl
[10:32] <Razor-X> pinko: nah, I prefer normal emacs, but the default ubuntu emacs package is xemacs
[10:32] <topyli> pinko: no difference IMO
[10:32] <pinko> I mean, the windowmanager.  If I have the name right.
[10:33] <Razor-X> Ratpoison?
[10:33] <pinko> ok, it's not xemacs then.
[10:33] <bob2> Nexinarus: then do so, I'm sure evolution and thunderbird  can
[10:33] <topyli> the default is gnu emacs 21 AFAIK
[10:33] <bob2> jklappenbach: and what did your log say?
[10:34] <Razor-X> topyli: ``sudo aptitute install emacs21'' is Xemacs
[10:34] <DrSpin> ?/
[10:34] <DrSpin> ?
[10:34] <Razor-X> to get it X-less, you use
[10:34] <Razor-X> ``sudo aptitude install emacs21-nox''
[10:34] <Razor-X> or something along those lines
[10:34] <jklappenbach> I missed the statement where you told me where the logs were.
[10:34] <pinko> whatever I'm thinking of, it's the window manager that is really a giant mutated emacs.
[10:34] <jklappenbach> Somewhere in /var I suppose?
[10:34] <pinko> cannot recall the name at all.
[10:34] <topyli> Razor-X: xemacs is a completely different program, a fork of gnu emacs. gnu emacs comes in X and console forms
[10:35] <Razor-X> topyli: oh, my bad
[10:35] <Razor-X> topyli: I thought it defaulted XEmacs
[10:35] <Nexinarus> ah anjuta looks lovely from the screenshots
[10:35] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: GUI fiend :)
[10:35] <Nexinarus> more noobish and friendly, thanks ill download that
[10:35] <topyli> Razor-X: you can find xemacs packages in universe too, but it's a different thing
[10:35] <catfox> pinko, sawfish/sawmill
[10:36] <topyli> Nexinarus: looks good in gnome too :)
[10:36] <pinko> ok, it's called http://www.xwem.org/
[10:36] <nickrud> oh, lisp based window mangers
[10:36] <bob2> jklappenbach: /var/log/auth.log
[10:36] <Razor-X> holy mother...
[10:36] <bz0b> I still can't get my ndiswrapper to work with my wep key
[10:36] <bz0b> I mean it works without wep
[10:37] <FatalCure> haha wtf
[10:37] <nickrud> well, a deep variant :)
[10:37] <FatalCure> I had my speakers plugged into the same jack as always.. after ubuntu install sound stopped.. I just tried moving the jack to another spot
[10:37] <FatalCure> and my music is playign wooot
[10:38] <Razor-X> if a WM is made...., meh :)
[10:38] <Razor-X> it's only a matter of time until you bootstrap a mini-kernel, run emacs, and run a real kernel from there
[10:38] <topyli> Razor-X: "emacs is my operating system, linux just provides the device drivers"
[10:38] <FatalCure> now I can dl some mp3's mmm yum
[10:39] <jonathan_> What programming  language is most development done wuth
[10:39] <Razor-X> FatalCure: you use yum?
[10:39] <pinko> ...and drive a car and maintain a self-contained biodome etc
[10:39] <Razor-X> how horrible, thou hasth replace apt!
[10:39] <ThreeDayMonk> Is there a backports repository where I can get PostgreSQL 8?
[10:39] <Razor-X> pinko: yeahp :)
[10:39] <jklappenbach> (pan_unix) authentication failure; logname=[myown, not the desired user]  uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=[me]  rhost=[null]  user=[desired user] 
[10:39] <jonathan_> Anyone know??
[10:39] <Nexinarus> ok now i think you put me off emacs for a long time lol
[10:39] <Madpilot> FatalCure: have you got the mp3 codecs installed?
[10:39] <bob2> jklappenbach: don't use su, ctrl-alt-f1, try to login, ctrl-alt-f7 to return
[10:39] <jklappenbach> Then: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure
[10:39] <FatalCure> wtf is yum... I meant yum... an appatite for music
[10:40] <FatalCure> yer its all working now
[10:40] <FatalCure> yay
[10:40] <jklappenbach> And finally: - pts/1 [me] :[desired] 
[10:40] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: you want vi, fine! but don't come back crying back to me when you have to use 21 screen shell sessions and your emacs equivalent session looks small
[10:40] <tomaj> bob2: did you have any more help for me?
[10:40] <Razor-X> FatalCure: yum is another package manager
[10:41] <Razor-X> that's why vi users crib about zsh -- they have to have many instances of their shell running
[10:41] <Nexinarus> heh
[10:41] <Nexinarus> vi is also horrible.. bring edit.com any day :p
[10:41] <shuveb> ooo segfaults :-( any known reasons?
[10:41] <jklappenbach> Weird, I had fairly little issue getting wifi to set up on my Acer Ferrari 3200 laptop on an AMD64 system (had to recompile and modprobe ndiswrapper) and this comes to bite me...
[10:41] <pinko> FatalCure: *gasp*, you use yay?
[10:41] <Selekta> how do i make a boot floppy to install ubuntu on a machine that doesn't support botting from cd?
[10:41] <Razor-X> pinko: XD
[10:41] <FatalCure> rofl
[10:41] <topyli> !ed
[10:41] <Razor-X> pinko: I do a similar thing with ack
[10:42] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[10:42] <Razor-X> someone says ``ack''
[10:42] <Razor-X> I say ``SYN''
[10:42] <Razor-X> :)
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> other way around
[10:42] <Razor-X> topyli: TECO all the way man, TECO all the way
[10:42] <Belutz> lol
[10:42] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: it's not in an order
[10:42] <topyli> !start an editor war
[10:42] <ubotu> gvim is better than emacs
[10:42] <|Poeg|> what is Ubuntu breezy-live-i386 default login name and passwrd.. I m noobie
[10:42] <Razor-X> ubotu: noooooooooooooooo!!!!!
[10:42] <ubotu> Razor-X: I give up, what is it?
[10:42] <FatalCure> damn theres wierd noises coming from everywhere now
[10:42] <shuveb> hmmm... all ooo.org programs are segfaulting :(
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: you need a SYN first
[10:43] <pinko> haha.  it's something like playing nethack and then seeing the literary world as full of monsters.
[10:43] <FatalCure> I dunno if they mean dl's r complete .. ppl came online or what
[10:43] <bz0b> can someone tell me, if I  add my user to the admin group, then do I need to reboot for it to take effect?
[10:43] <Razor-X> let's start a Holy Crusade, my emacs brothers!
[10:43] <Razor-X> on ubotu!!!!
[10:43] <Razor-X> ok ok, enough
[10:43] <|Poeg|> what is Ubuntu breezy-live-i386 default login name and passwrd.. I m noobie
[10:43] <Nexinarus> nah i like the way emacs is set up in the university labs under windows, really slimmed down for compile and run for gcc, that'd be nice
[10:43] <bz0b> and is the correct syntax to add a user to admin group, usermod -g admin username
[10:43] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: try looking into QEmacs
[10:44] <nickrud> bz0b, sudo adduser <username> admin is the simplest way
[10:45] <bz0b> nickrud, thanks
[10:45] <|Poeg|> what is Ubuntu breezy-live-i386 default login name and passwrd.. I m noobie
[10:45] <bz0b> nickrud, what if the user is already added
[10:45] <nickrud> bz0b, and, you do have to log out and relogin to have the change take effect
[10:45] <Razor-X> one of the major attractors/detractors of emacs is that it's infinitely expandable, and can do most anything if someone made it
[10:45] <bob2> |Poeg|: it didn't tell you during boot?
[10:45] <transgress> anyone know a good program to remove encryption from say... a dvd image...?
[10:45] <Nexinarus> dvdbackup?
[10:46] <Nexinarus> or something
[10:46] <jtan325> bob2, what's your opinion on breezy stabilitiy
[10:46] <|Poeg|> I saw again, than rebooting
[10:46] <bob2> jtan325: I'm not using it
[10:46] <darksoul> how do i upgrade to the newest gnome?
[10:46] <jtan325> i've noticed that "please don't use breezy" is taken out from the topic
[10:46] <Ng> darksoul: build it yourself, brave running breezy, or wait until October when Breezy is released :)
[10:46] <nickrud> jtan325, it's been gone for a few days now
[10:46] <bob2> jtan325: X is only a little broken now
[10:46] <darksoul> ..
[10:46] <topyli> jtan325: "breezy is fully stable and supported" was not added there though :)
[10:46] <darksoul> im just running normal ubuntu
[10:47] <nickrud> heh
[10:47] <jklappenbach> bob2:  Did those log entries give you any hint?
[10:47] <darksoul> how do i upgrade to the new gnome, isnt there a apt-get command
[10:47] <Ng> darksoul: that'll probably be Hoary, which is the current release. Breezy is the next release (due october) and has the newest gnome
[10:47] <darksoul> its beta right
[10:47] <topyli> darksoul: there is no new gnome except the 2.11 development version
[10:47] <bob2> 18:39:53 @         bob2 | jklappenbach: don't use su, ctrl-alt-f1, try to login, ctrl-alt-f7 to return
[10:47] <darksoul> Ng: how many bugs?
[10:47] <Ng> darksoul: I have no idea :)
[10:48] <Ng> darksoul: if you don't know your way round a debian system I wouldn't advise installing breezy yet
[10:48] <nickrud> darksoul, the latest gnome has really been released yet, you'll want to wait for the official breezy release to get the offical gnome release from ubuntu.
[10:48] <darksoul> k
[10:48] <bz0b> nickrud, it didnt work
[10:48] <darksoul> is there a way to see what gnome u have
[10:49] <bz0b> nickrud, I tried usermod -G admin bz0b, then I relogged in, and I didnt get sudo
[10:49] <Ng> darksoul: System->About GNome
[10:49] <topyli> darksoul: "gnome-about". and there's a menu entry too
[10:49] <nickrud> bz0b, log in as the user you want to be in admin, then, in a terminal type group <user>
[10:49] <darksoul> 2.10.0
[10:49] <darksoul> theres no update?
[10:50] <nickrud> if admin is in that output, you should be fine. otherwise, sudo adduser <usr> admin then relogin
[10:50] <jklappenbach> Curious.  The log states:
[10:50] <jklappenbach> authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=tty1 ruser= rhost= user=[desired] 
[10:51] <nickrud> bz0b, I tend to use the tools that debian/ubuntu provides for things like that, not the raw commands.
[10:51] <topyli> darksoul: gnome in the stable ubuntu is whatever it was when ubuntu was released
[10:51] <jklappenbach> then:
[10:51] <jklappenbach> localhost login[7085] : FAILED LOGIN (1) on `tty1' FOR `[desired] ', Authentication failure
[10:51] <topyli> darksoul: be assured, ubuntu always has the latest gnome :)
[10:51] <jklappenbach> I'll try updating the password once more to be sure.
[10:51] <Belutz> topyli: can i upgrade my gnome to gnome 2.12 on sept 7 ?
[10:51] <tomaj> can someone help me start azureus from tty1?
[10:52] <darksoul> topyli: thks, i got my ubuntu months ago just havent installed it for awhile
[10:52] <Ng> Belutz: if you build it yourself, sure
[10:52] <Antarez> moin
[10:52] <Ng> Belutz: or upgrade to breezy then
[10:52] <darksoul> Topyli: whats so good with breezy?
[10:52] <topyli> Belutz: if i'm not completely mistaken, breezy preview cd's will be out on the same day. this happened the last time
[10:52] <Ng> Belutz: the new gnome will not be coming to hoary though
[10:52] <Antarez> can I use debian packages in ubuntu?
[10:52] <Ng> Antarez: maybe
[10:53] <Madpilot> Antarez: not recommended
[10:53] <eliphas_> if I want to install openoofice 2 I need to uninstall openoffice 1.1 first ?
[10:53] <darksoul> whats new in breezy?
[10:53] <topyli> darksoul: i'm basically just hungry for the new gnome once it's ready
[10:53] <nickrud> Ng, I wouldn't be suprised if someone backported 2.12 for hoary
[10:53] <Ng> eliphas_: I seem to have both installed at the moment :)
[10:53] <jklappenbach> Nope, no difference.  Still login failed.
[10:53] <Ng> nickrud: backports make me sad ;)
[10:53] <Antarez> otherwise the amount of easily available software si very limited
[10:53] <Belutz> Ng: so i have to compile it my self?
[10:53] <topyli> darksoul: the system in general has been working just fine for me for years. it's the desktop that evolves the most
[10:53] <nickrud> Ng, backports are not by def bad, just by execution
[10:53] <eliphas_> Ng, so i will uninstall it then
[10:54] <Belutz> topyli: does the preview cd is a live cd or not?
[10:54] <Ng> Belutz: you don't have to, as topyli suggested there will probably be a breezy preview about that time, or you can wait until October for the final breezy, which will be the easiest option :)
[10:54] <transgress> anyone have a good link for getting transcode kicking on ubuntu?  google is failing me
[10:54] <FatalCure> what do I need to install in symantic to play wmv files
[10:54] <darksoul> Topyli: is there a apt-get install command for breezy...i dont want iso
[10:54] <topyli> Belutz: they will release install cd's, or you can upgrade
[10:54] <Ng> FatalCure: check the RestrictedFormats entry in the ubuntu wiki
[10:55] <Belutz> Ng: ic, if, and only if i compie it my self, will it make the upgarde to breezy more difficult?
[10:55] <ompaul> jklappenbach, first click on system - administration - users and groups check the spelling of the username you are using
[10:55] <darksoul> Topyli: is there a apt-get install command for breezy like apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <topyli> darksoul: you can just change everything hoary in your sources.list to breezy and upgrade. i wouldn't recommend it yet though
[10:55] <Madpilot> Antarez: there's 16,000 or so packages in Ubuntu repos - that's hardly "very limited"...
[10:55] <Belutz> topyli: but the preview release is still not stable right?
[10:55] <Ng> Belutz: if you compile it yourself then you'd really want to reinstall when breezy came out
[10:55] <darksoul> Topyli: why not? im reinstalling so much it wont matter
[10:55] <topyli> Belutz: not by a far shot
[10:55] <transgress> Madpilot: oh yeah... well on blahandblah distro it has a kablillion packages.
[10:55] <Antarez> Madpilot: I did not find xfce, mplayer and some other stuff
[10:56] <Belutz> Ng: ic
[10:56] <darksoul> topyli: can u give me the exact sources?
[10:56] <Ng> Belutz: I wouldn't recommend compiling it yourself at all really, it's not quick or simple ;)
[10:56] <transgress> Antarez: edit the sources.list to include universe and multiverse.
[10:56] <nickrud> darksoul, if you have a little extra space on your hd (like 4-5gb) you can get colony 3 and try out breezy. Keep Hoary around, though.
[10:56] <Antarez> maybe user error, should I not just see all of them using aptitude?
[10:56] <aleitner> does anybody know what version of xorg will ship with breezy, and whether it will have 3d accel for newer radeons (r300) with the open source driver?
[10:56] <topyli> darksoul: it's different if it's not a production system
[10:56] <Belutz> btw, i never upgade linux os
[10:56] <jklappenbach> checked.  The string under the column [user]  should correspond to the entry given for login, correct/
[10:56] <jklappenbach> *?
[10:56] <topyli> darksoul: no :)
[10:56] <Belutz> how is the process of upgrading from hoary to breezy?
[10:56] <darksoul> Topyli: any links to screen shots?
[10:56] <eliphas_> Ng maybe not Synaptic says if I uninstall openoffice it removes ubuntu desktop
[10:56] <Spudz0r> hey folks, has anyone had any trouble with CUPS printing, im getting a "No pages found!" error, everything worked perfectly fine last time i used it and i havnt changed everything so i dont know whats going on :S
[10:56] <transgress> Belutz: i little like sex in the back of a volkswagon
[10:57] <tomaj> is it possible to make gnome log in at a certain time? not after but at
[10:57] <topyli> darksoul: no, i'm on a stable hoary box myself. i only have one spare box at work that i upgraded (and broke)
[10:57] <darksoul> k
[10:57] <darksoul> ill just go ask on fourms lol
[10:58] <Madpilot> Antarez: you don't have Universe/Multiverse enabled, then. mplayer is in Universe, I think
[10:58] <Belutz> transgress: i have never had sex before :p
[10:58] <Ng> eliphas_: I said you don't need to uninstall openoffice1, I have both installed :)
[10:58] <Antarez> Madpilot: I see, tnx
[10:58] <transgress> Belutz: well it's very uncomfortable in the back of a volkswagon
[10:58] <Belutz> transgress: ic
[10:58] <topyli> Belutz: just say no :)
[10:58] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes it should
[10:58] <eliphas_> yeah but i was afraid that it could bring some problem in the future
[10:58] <transgress> topyli: that's the worst thing you've said since i've been in this channel.
[10:58] <topyli> hah
[10:59] <eliphas_> but thanks ng
[10:59] <eliphas_> :)
[10:59] <jklappenbach> ok, I'm not mistaken on the name then.
[10:59] <ompaul> jklappenbach, it takes you so long to reply I just check every couple of minutes :)
[10:59] <Madpilot> !tell Antarez about repos
[10:59] <Belutz> so it's better to reinstall ubuntu to breezy than upgrading it?
[10:59] <ompaul> jklappenbach, I am documenting a project atm
[10:59] <jklappenbach> I'm making double sure.
[10:59] <Ng> eliphas_: I reckon you'll be fine, openoffice2 warns you if you're going to save a file in a format that openoffice1 can't read, which is about the only problem you're likely to have with it :)
[10:59] <transgress> Belutz: no, it's better to wait until breezy is stable.
[10:59] <topyli> transgress: i was of course referring to sex at the back seat of a VW :)
[10:59] <eliphas_> right not a huge bugger
[10:59] <transgress> topyli: ha i see.
[10:59] <eliphas_> thanks Ng
[11:00] <Mayday> in evolution, is it possible to save the the settings for "Advanced search" ? there is a save button, but it doesent seem to work?
[11:00] <jklappenbach> Plus, when I switch over to tty1 (alt-ctrl-f1) the text is so faint, I can barely read it.
[11:00] <Belutz> transgress: yes, i mean, if the breezy already stable, how is the process of upgrading from hoary to breezy :)
[11:00] <transgress> well when that occurs Belutz it'll be more like sex in the back of a pickup, not classy, but it works well.
[11:00] <eliphas_> Belutz, change horay by breezy in apt/souce.list
[11:00] <jtan325> !motu
[11:00] <ubotu> motu are the Masters of the Universe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU)
[11:01] <Belutz> eliphas_: as simple as that??
[11:01] <Belutz> transgress: but it depends with whom you had sex right? :D
[11:01] <eliphas_> yeah
[11:01] <jtan325> is there a motu channel?
[11:01] <ompaul> jklappenbach, okay so now do this sudo -i in a terminal
[11:01] <transgress> Belutz: eh it's all the same when you drug them.
[11:01] <Hieronymus> jtan325: yes
[11:01] <jtan325> or maintainers channel?
[11:02] <jtan325> could you tell me what it was, please?
[11:02] <Belutz> transgress: lol :D
[11:02] <jtan325> wait
[11:02] <jtan325> i can't read
[11:02] <transgress> jtan325: perhaps try #motu
[11:02] <jtan325> sorry
[11:02] <Hieronymus> jtan325: #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-devel respectively
[11:02] <topyli> jtan325: there is a motu channel
[11:02] <jtan325> lol yeah
[11:02] <transgress> damn i was close
[11:02] <jtan325> i wasn't reading the wiki
[11:02] <jtan325> thanks though
[11:03] <jklappenbach> so, i just updated the password again in [Users and Groups] , switched to tty1 again, and still no luck.
[11:03] <ompaul> jklappenbach, type 'passwd username' make the password something simple just for a minute say jk-some-telephone-number
[11:03] <jklappenbach> doing sudo -i in terminal...
[11:04] <ompaul> jklappenbach, emm have you caps lock on?
[11:04] <jklappenbach> no.
[11:04] <jklappenbach> or it would be caps now.
[11:04] <transgress> i'm bothered that someone can make yet another crappy wm to look like XP, but noone has designed a desktop to look like OSX
[11:04] <bob2> because it looks crap
[11:04] <bob2> and it's slow
[11:04] <jklappenbach> sudo -i puts me into root@[host] 
[11:05] <Wilf> OSX is on x86 now anyway
[11:05] <bob2> since X doesn't do transparency like that, etc
[11:05] <transgress> Wilf: sort of... and it doesn't change that it isn't linux.
[11:05] <Wilf> it's better.
[11:05] <transgress> Wilf: opinion
[11:05] <Wilf> yup
[11:05] <ompaul> jklappenbach, well no, it does not carry from a 'ctrl-alt_f*'  to here :)
[11:05] <jklappenbach> No, my caps lock ain't on.
[11:06] <transgress> bob2: i more of meant the look and feel... such as where the menu bar is (top of the screen), and the docker... and i know you can get those in kde... but it could be done better...
[11:06] <ompaul> jklappenbach, now do this su username where the word username is the one you are using
[11:06] <ompaul> jklappenbach, now do this su username where the word username is the one you are testing
[11:06] <bob2> why are we using su instead of just actually logging in?
[11:06] <jklappenbach> from root?
[11:06] <ompaul> bob2, I want to be sure that he has the right userns
[11:06] <bob2> transgress: that sort of thing requires applications to be designed like that
[11:06] <ompaul> username
[11:06] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes
[11:07] <tomaj> bob2: did you have any more help for me?
[11:07] <bob2> tomaj: my #1 suggestion would not to disappear every 10 seconds when I try to reply to you
[11:07] <transgress> bob2: ah i see.
[11:07] <bob2> other than that, dinner time
[11:07] <Spudz0r> grr, can anyone help?
[11:07] <Spudz0r> :S
[11:07] <ompaul> jklappenbach, and what has happened?
[11:07] <transgress> well someone could at least design a better docker heh
[11:07] <tomaj> bob2: i was trying to try a few things out plus i had to go pick up my sis
[11:07] <jklappenbach> gives me "sudo: shelly: command not found"
[11:07] <transgress> sudo shell
[11:08] <transgress> oh wait... what are you trying to do?
[11:08] <jklappenbach> Where shelly is my wife's account name.
[11:08] <transgress> su shelly
[11:08] <morbidi> su - shelly
[11:08] <bob2> or "sudo -u shelly".
[11:08] <ompaul> jklappenbach, well now I said 'su shelly'
[11:08] <bob2> but have we looked at /etc/passwd yet to see if that account exists?
[11:09] <BTJustice> With Synaptic, is it best to the a default upgrade or a smart upgrade?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> jklappenbach:  su = switch user
[11:09] <tomaj> bob2: so can you help me out?
[11:09] <morbidi> su shelly just changes the account to shelly, you stay in the same directorie
[11:09] <ompaul> if it does not then we have more fun
[11:09] <jklappenbach> su shelly results in shelly@[myhost] :/root$
[11:09] <tomaj> bob2: when you are done helping the other perons
[11:09] <bob2> 19:07:23 @         bob2 | other than that, dinner time
[11:09] <ompaul> morbidi, correct now watch
[11:09] <morbidi> su - shelly you are "exported" to the home of shelly
[11:09] <jklappenbach> So the account is there.
[11:10] <tomaj> bob2: ok, well enjoy your dinner then
[11:10] <tomaj> :)
[11:10] <jklappenbach> It's just when I've logged off and the shell is showing the graphical interface for login, she can't get in.
[11:10] <ompaul> jklappenbach, no let us test this a moment
[11:12] <jklappenbach> test...
[11:13] <ompaul> jklappenbach,  exit then 'sudo - user2'
[11:13] <manofsteel> hi all
[11:13] <manofsteel> newbie with a question
[11:13] <x_O> what is the best way to move files across an ssh connections? can someone tell me?
[11:13] <nerdy2> scp
[11:13] <manofsteel> what is root password or how do i set it
[11:14] <clem_yeats_away> hi
[11:14] <ompaul> manofsteel, there is none
[11:14] <thoreauputic> !root
[11:14] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <ompaul> !tell manofsteel about sudo
[11:14] <Ng> x_O: scp :)
[11:14] <jklappenbach> sudo - user2?  you mean: sudo - shelly?  I get sudo: '-' requires an argument...
[11:14] <eliphas_> manofsteel, the sudo pssword is your own password you set when you installed ubuntu
[11:14] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes
[11:14] <ompaul> jklappenbach, I did mean sudo - shelly with the spaces and all
[11:15] <manofsteel> cool thanks
[11:15] <eliphas_> :)
[11:15] <jklappenbach> gives me: sudo '-' requires an argument\n usage:...
[11:15] <BTJustice> With Synaptic, is it best to the a default upgrade or a smart upgrade?
[11:16] <ompaul> jklappenbach, id?
[11:16] <Hieronymus> BTJustice: smart upgrade
[11:16] <ompaul> jklappenbach, run 'id' please
[11:16] <jklappenbach> id of what?
[11:16] <jklappenbach> id
[11:16] <BTJustice> thanks
[11:16] <jklappenbach> sorry...
[11:16] <ompaul> jklappenbach, a command :)
[11:16] <x_O> Ng: thank you
[11:17] <jklappenbach> uid=1000(me) gid=1000(me) groups=4(adm),...
[11:17] <clem_yeats> what is the purpose of the id command ?
[11:17] <clem_yeats> oh ok
[11:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heheh - like "run which mozilla" user: what do you mean which mozilla? The one I installed of course! helper: no, I mean run which user: run ? which? wtf?
[11:18] <Nexinarus> wow it worked, great.. :D
[11:18] <clem_yeats> lol
[11:18] <ompaul> jklappenbach, ehh okay I thought you were root when I asked you to type exit lets take a step back 'sudo -i'  followed by 'sudo - shelly' in the same terminal
[11:19] <male_25> jakarta
[11:19] <ompaul> thoreauputic, and mozilla is on which base? how the hell would I know all your base are belong to us etc :)
[11:19] <jklappenbach> from root: sudo: '-' requires an argument
[11:19] <jklappenbach> I'm running the AMD64 bit version of hoary, if that makes a difference.
[11:20] <kemik> are you trying to achieve what "su - shelly" would do in debian ?
[11:20] <kemik> try "sudo -l shelly"
[11:20] <ompaul> kemik, it should work in ubuntu - dang its a long time since I used an l (must be at least 4 years)
[11:21] <kemik> well no it doesnt work with sudo
[11:21] <ompaul> jklappenbach, go with that 'l' as kemik suggests
[11:21] <kemik> just read the manpage
[11:21] <ompaul> su -l
[11:21] <ompaul> haha
[11:21] <kemik> workaround; sudo su -l shelly
[11:21] <thoreauputic> ompaul: it's like the Marx brothers :) "wire fence" "I dunno why a fence"  "no , near the viaduct" "why a duck? I dunno why a duck.. why a fence? " etc etc
[11:21] <ompaul> kemik, nice
[11:21] <kemik> or su -l shelly
[11:22] <tomaj> where is the autostart file in ubuntu?
[11:22] <kemik> erh, skip the "l"
[11:22] <kemik> jklappenbach:  sudo su - shelly
[11:22] <ompaul> jklappenbach, there is something broken in your hoary, I do not know if it is 64 bit related I know it works on my 32bit version
[11:22] <jklappenbach> kemik: from root?
[11:22] <eliphas_> sudo -l is permanent? or just for the session ?
[11:22] <kemik> jklappenbach:  nah
[11:22] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes
[11:22] <kemik> with sudo prefixed it doenst matter ;)
[11:22] <ompaul> kemik, there is that
[11:23] <jklappenbach> from root: sudo su - shelly puts me into shelly's account.
[11:23] <ompaul> jklappenbach, just try pwd
[11:23] <clem_yeats> passwd
[11:23] <ompaul> jklappenbach, when there
[11:24] <jklappenbach> pwd returns /home/shelly
[11:24] <clem_yeats> oh yes... my mistake.. sorry :))
[11:24] <ompaul> jklappenbach, at least that is good :)
[11:24] <kemik> uh, i though that was what you wanted?
[11:24] <ompaul> clem_yeats, ;-)
[11:24] <Nexinarus> hey in Ubuntu there seems to be a generic beep using the pc speaker or something. is there a way to mute this or turn it down?
[11:24] <clem_yeats> god, I'm going back to sleep.
[11:24] <ompaul> kemik, yeap
[11:24] <kemik> okie :)
[11:24] <jklappenbach> passwd goes to change the password, but (current) password prompt doesn't recognize what I've assigned.
[11:24] <Nexinarus> when i compile, or when i push a wrong key, or with many programs - ubuntu just beeps really loud
[11:24] <clem_yeats> Nexinarus : yes, but I have to reboot right now.. sorry (I'm under windows here).
[11:25] <ompaul> jklappenbach, now please use passwd as the user shelly
[11:25] <ompaul> jklappenbach, 'id' should now return shelly
[11:25] <kemik> sudo passwd shelly, would have changed pwd from his normal user-account ;)
[11:25] <weiers> Hi... I ripped an audio CD into .OGG format. I don't have the CD anymore, but I would like to write the .OGG files back into an audio CD? What is the simplest tool to do that.
[11:25] <ompaul> kemik, I wanted to see if the home dir was there
[11:25] <kemik> aight
[11:26] <jklappenbach> did.  It asks for the current password, which I give, and it doesn't recognize it.
[11:26] <kemik> i should stop interfering ;) probably just confusing
[11:26] <kemik> weiers:  dependingon your location , that does not sound entirely legal
[11:26] <ompaul> jklappenbach, okay type exit once
[11:26] <jklappenbach> back in root.
[11:26] <kemik> weiers:  but i'd say Google is a good start
[11:26] <ompaul> jklappenbach, you should now see root
[11:27] <ompaul> :)
[11:27] <ompaul> jklappenbach, passwd shelly
[11:27] <jklappenbach> ok, I'm going to try this out.
[11:27] <ompaul> jklappenbach, you should get  passwd: password updated successfully
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Nexinarus: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_NoBeep
[11:28] <sheffer> help
[11:28] <jklappenbach> well, that worked.
[11:28] <ompaul> !tell sheffer about ask
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Nexinarus: should work in ubuntu too
[11:28] <jklappenbach> She can log in now.  That's fooked.
[11:28] <ompaul> jklappenbach, well hehehe
[11:29] <jklappenbach> That [Users and Groups]  won't do the job.
[11:29] <sheffer> ask printenv
[11:29] <jklappenbach> Guess I'll just have to stick to the man pages for adduser.
[11:29] <jklappenbach> Thanks for all your help!
[11:29] <Nexinarus> thanks thoreauputic
[11:29] <ompaul> jklappenbach, no, I would be suspicious of that, if you can find someone else with 64bit see if it is a bug
[11:30] <ompaul> jklappenbach, and if it is report same
[11:30] <kemik> :)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Nexinarus: no worries :)
[11:30] <jklappenbach> I'll look into this more and will file a bug on AMD64.  I'm a dev, so I'm picky about these kinds of issues.
[11:30] <hussam> I need the libfox dev package 1.4.x , Ubuntu has a very old version 1.0.x , Any ideas?
[11:30] <jklappenbach> I feel like a guinea pig out in 64bit land, especially given my current state of proficiency, but its users like me that will give you guys the data you need.
[11:31] <snorks> I got 64bit but doubt I can help you, sir
[11:31] <ompaul> jklappenbach,  ahh this is fun then :) /dev/fun a udev device for redirecting urandom into the file system
[11:31] <ompaul> jklappenbach, I am writing operating procedures for the company I am now leaving this was a welcome break
[11:32] <ompaul> in fact it was fun
[11:32] <jklappenbach> Ah, I got most things on the build set the way I want them.  I got the 64 bit drivers for ATI up, the 64 bit drivers for my wifi going, all required some form of nontrivial tweeks.
[11:32] <clem_yeats> hi again
[11:32] <snorks> Is there a 64 bit xmms version?
[11:33] <snorks> clem_yeats: hi
[11:33] <clem_yeats> snorks : hi
[11:33] <mjr> snorks, of course
[11:33] <snorks> mjr: of course? I feel like such a loser
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:33] <snorks> mjr: Can I get it with apt-get?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: all the open source software that is in i386 ubunut
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> is in amd64 ubunut
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: yes
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories
[11:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:34] <jklappenbach> Sucks that I have ATI since stuff like xcompmgr just wont work.  nVidia has great support for linux.  But then again, it's all worth it when I run 64 bit Unreal Tournament.
[11:34] <ompaul> snorks, add a user using system - administration - users and groups ,, be very very careful about the password you give it ,,  and try to log in on a terminal if broken do tell us
[11:34] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: I've added new repositories as described on ubuntuguide.org
[11:35] <jklappenbach> The only thing I miss, and perhaps the one last thing I have to ask about, is flash for 64 bit.
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: apt-get install xmms should do it then :)
[11:35] <rob^> snorks, ubuntuguide is bad, mmmkay
[11:35] <snorks> rob^: ok
[11:35] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: should i apt-get xmms-alsa ?
[11:35] <snorks> nm, that was gentoo
[11:36] <jklappenbach> Can I create a chroot to a 32 bit subsystem (installing i386) within the chroot, install the 32 bit version of firefox and flash, and run those from the outside?  Or do I need to be chrooted when I invoke the 32 bit stuff?
[11:36] <topyli> jklappenbach: there is no 64 bit flash
[11:36] <snorks> Ok, let's see if this works. Can I troubleshoot you if it doesn't, HrdwrBoB ?
[11:37] <topyli> jklappenbach: that's how people have been doing it
[11:37] <clem_yeats> grr... have to reboot again !!!
[11:37] <clem_yeats> hmm :(
[11:37] <jklappenbach> so I need to be chrooted to run the stuff?  Or is it enough to just be chrooted when I install?
[11:37] <jklappenbach> The former would be teh suck.
[11:37] <topyli> jklappenbach: that is, the apps run in the chroot jail and you can run your 64 bit system
[11:38] <jklappenbach> Ah, so I need to chroot, then execute, then perhaps exit out?
[11:39] <topyli> jklappenbach: you make wrappers scritps to launch 32 bit versions of the apps, you don't have to worry about more than that
[11:39] <jklappenbach> Ah, the script performs the chroot and execute.  All starting to make sense now.
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: yeah
[11:39] <topyli> jklappenbach: i don't actually have a 64 bit system so you better ask some other for more :)
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> I have 64bit hardware, I run 32bit ubuntu
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> less stuffing around :)
[11:40] <topyli> is it worth it then?
[11:40] <jklappenbach> One more:  When I'm putting together my sources.list for the chroot "partition", my current sources.list declares my install CD as the source for all the real essential stuff.  What should I use in place of that?  Or should I burn a 32 bit CD for that?
[11:41] <jklappenbach> topyli:  From what I've seen: yes.
[11:41] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: It didn't work with alsa as output, but what's the pros and cons of using esd daemon? I've noticed it's slower
[11:41] <thoreauputic> jklappenbach: can't you just comment the line out in your sources.list ?
[11:41] <topyli> jklappenbach: i mean running 32 bit on a 64 bit system like HrdwrBoB
[11:41] <thoreauputic> jklappenbach: I mean the CD-ROM line
[11:42] <jklappenbach> thor:  I tried that, but the package install image is missing hella stuff.
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: esd is in my opinion a worthless pile of garbage and should be taken out and shot.
[11:42] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: word
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> the catch is, if you kill esd you will only be able to play one thing at a time
[11:42] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: But it was the only output plugin that worked with XMMS here
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> unless you have a sb live or similar card
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: run 'killall esd'
[11:43] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: Perhaps I need to apt-get the alsa output plugin?
[11:43] <jklappenbach> topyli:  I switched to a 64 bit linux precisely because my ferrari 3200 was being underutilized by coughcoughWINDOWScoughcough.
[11:43] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: worked, k thx
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: esd is using your soundcard so xmms can't access it using alsa
[11:43] <topyli> hehe
[11:44] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: The problem is it will autostart. How do I remove it? Where is the autostart btw?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> !esd
[11:44] <ubotu> esd is, like, totally, Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[11:44] <jklappenbach> It's not nearly a doubling, but it's very noticeable.
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> it's in the options somewhere.. I can't remember precisely
[11:44] <fluffybunny_> uhm... sometimes when I try to unrar an archive, it all fails - anyone have a clue? permissions and ownership is correct... dunno what else the problem could be?
[11:44] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: which options?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: gnome options
[11:44] <topyli> xmms should be aware of esound
[11:44] <jklappenbach> Well, y'all have other people to help.  I can dig up the sources.list image for remote 32bit elsewhere on the net.
[11:45] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: "Enable sound server startup"?
[11:45] <jklappenbach> THANK YOU!
[11:45] <bob2> snorks: yes
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> system->prefs->sound
[11:45] <topyli> jklappenbach: there's stuff on the forums about all that
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> I just found it
[11:45] <bob2> jklappenbach: switching from amd64 to i386 is a reinstall job, more or less
[11:45] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: bob2: ok thanks both of you
[11:45] <jklappenbach> I just want the sources.list image for i386 for chroot.
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[11:46] <snorks> jklappenbach: I'm running amd64 and it's awesome. Got 3d rendering with ATI (was a matter of 3 commands and a reboot), and everything else works
[11:46] <jklappenbach> but like topyli said, it's on the net.
[11:46] <bob2> jklappenbach: it will be the same as the one outside; apt determines the architecture itself
[11:46] <CarinArr> i couldn't get some apps running under 64 bit
[11:46] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: I don't use rar, but I've heard some people have more success with unrar-nonfree
[11:47] <CarinArr> so i've reverted to 32 bit for a while
[11:47] <snorks> CarinArr: which apps?
[11:47] <CarinArr> maya was the main one
[11:47] <jklappenbach> CarinArr:  even under a chroot?
[11:47] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: i have been using unrar... i said unrar -x filename, which works sometimes
[11:47] <CarinArr> jklappenbach, i didn't attempt to use chroot, i didn't find it worth faffing about at that point
[11:48] <Ng> jklappenbach: a chroot will make pretty much antyhing work, but it's a pita to be honest
[11:48] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: as I said, try unrar-nonfree (in the multiverse repository)
[11:48] <snorks> How do I start programming in perl/python? Don't I need some kind of program to write my programs in? Is there gui versions of said apps? Where can I read about this?
[11:48] <Ng> jklappenbach: I just moved both my amd64 boxes back to 32bit hoary ;)
[11:48] <jklappenbach> Given the way chroot works, Maya would probably run under a chroot cel.
[11:48] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: thanks
[11:48] <bob2> snorks: you just use a text editor
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: they are just text
[11:49] <Ng> snorks: there's a nice python development environment called Eric, but you should be able to find lots more information on python.org :)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> I am using gvim right now
[11:49] <bob2> snorks: www.python.org/doc/ links to the tutorial
[11:49] <snorks> bob2: Thanks alot
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> to fix this STUPID DAMN perl script
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> python tutorials++
[11:49] <CarinArr> jklappenbach, there wouldn't be much point though
[11:49] <bob2> python is amazingly pleasant
[11:49] <jklappenbach> One more question for the lot of you:  C++ IDE for linux.
[11:49] <snorks> bob2: "Beginner's Guide to Python" perhaps? ;)
[11:49] <Ng> jklappenbach: have a look at Anjuta
[11:49] <CarinArr> running a 64 bit os when the main programs you're using still only support 32 bit isn't much point
[11:50] <bob2> snorks: if you have some programming experience, "dive into python" (google) is quite good
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> jklappenbach: gvim.
[11:50] <CarinArr> especially not when you have to fudge it
[11:50] <snorks> bob2: Does a python interpreter come default with an ubuntu install?
[11:50] <bob2> jklappenbach: emacs and vim are quite lovely
[11:50] <bob2> snorks: yes, and a perl one
[11:50] <james> Question: how do I do a disk cleanup, and delete my cookies and stuff?
[11:50] <snorks> bob2: oki
[11:50] <snorks> bob2: I have no programming skills
[11:51] <CarinArr> vim and emacs aren't really ides though
[11:51] <jklappenbach> Anjuta.  Will do.  I'm using netbeans and eclipse for my java stuff (that's what I've been doing the last few years at BEA, etc), and I've been wanting a C++ environment that's on par.
[11:51] <bob2> CarinArr: well...what are they missing?
[11:51] <CarinArr> I would recommend kdevelop over anjuta any day
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> CarinArr: they interact with compilers and skip to errors etc
[11:51] <topyli> CarinArr: i don't think there's much more 32-bit restricted programs besides browser plugins (for a normal desktop)
[11:51] <snorks> bob2: What's most fun btw? perl or python? Which of them is easiest to attach a GUI to if I wanted to?
[11:51] <jklappenbach> kdevelop dependent on KDE?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> IDEs are for people who can't code
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: python by far
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> (for gui work)
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> perl is more centered around scripts that 'do stuff'
[11:52] <topyli> jklappenbach: no, you can write gtk code with it
[11:52] <james> Hello
[11:52] <bob2> snorks: both are pretty easy
[11:52] <jklappenbach> HrdwrBoB:  BS.
[11:52] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: But a lot of jobs here where I live likes if I have perl experience.
[11:52] <bob2> snorks: I'd think python would be easier to pick up if you have no experienc
[11:52] <CarinArr> IDE's are good for overview, when your projects are growing in size
[11:52] <CarinArr> for small stuff I use vim without fail
[11:52] <jklappenbach> There are some features on both Eclipse and Netbeans that save me minutes each time I use them.
[11:52] <larsrohdin> Hi, I thought i sholud be smart and ask first: Is it even possible to have two displays and tv-out at the same time?
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: no
[11:52] <jklappenbach> Like at BEA, the source tree was tens of thousands of files.
[11:52] <jordi00> hello
[11:52] <larsrohdin> HrdwrBoB, ok thanks, that spared me alot of pain=)
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> np
[11:52] <CarinArr> topyli, maya is one;)
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> jklappenbach: I was a little harsh. I just see a lot of people mistakenly thinking using a gui program will cover up their inability to code:(
[11:53] <larsrohdin> but how is the easiest way if i want to be able to switch between two display and one display and tvout?
[11:53] <topyli> CarinArr: never heard of it. normal desktop = my desktop :-)
[11:53] <jklappenbach> HrdwrBoB:;)
[11:53] <bob2> larsrohdin: that sounds highly hardware-dependant
[11:53] <CarinArr> topyli, it's a 3d graphics application
[11:53] <topyli> ah
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: I think you have to restart X :(
[11:53] <CarinArr> hrdwrbob, using an ide doesn't necessarily mean you can't code though
[11:54] <topyli> CarinArr: then of course there are games
[11:54] <larsrohdin> bob2, oh i have an nvidia 6800gt... i can do it in windows...
[11:54] <jklappenbach> Anyhow:  Cheers, all.
[11:54] <tsaar> hi
[11:54] <larsrohdin> HrdwrBoB, so i have to edit xorg.conf and then restart?
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> CarinArr: not necessarily no
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: yeha
[11:54] <larsrohdin> HrdwrBoB, lame!
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: keep a copy of both configs on hand and you could switch quickly
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> but yes, it sucks
[11:54] <larsrohdin> but its enough with restarting x right? thats rather quick
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:55] <jtan325> ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:55] <larsrohdin> ok, i can live with that, thanks
[11:55] <jtan325> couldn't be quicker
[11:56] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: using a gui does cover up my lack of html skills :)
[11:56] <ompaul> killall nautilus
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: casein point :)
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: wrong window?
[11:56] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: from me anyway it does :)
[11:56] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, you know it :)
[11:57] <tomaj> bob2: you back?
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> I love working on a system that has 10 steps, all of which are held together with fraying bits of string
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: sup, whatdo you need help with
[11:57] <Madpilot> Need sleep - good night/morning/$time_of_day, everyone
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> night Madpilot
[11:58] <tomaj> i cant get azureus running from tty1
[11:58] <thoreauputic> can someone type my nick? Just testing my beeps ;)
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> you want azureus with no X ?
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic:
[11:58] <hussam> I need help compiling a library. I need libfox 1.4 dev . I got fox-1.4 fox-toolkit.org and I'm compiling it. But won't this give me just the library? How do I get the dev (headers) ?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[11:58] <tsaar> testing ubuntu, before i was trying to use suse, but it's better and easyer to use
[11:58] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: no i try DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus but i get an error; i want to get it running through cron
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: why do you want it in cron?
[11:59] <topyli> tomaj: you are fighting a losing fight
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> let's work backwards here :)
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: if you want to start/stop it based on time
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> anyone know how i can gain root privilages to edit a config file? im sure its REALLY simple, but i have been trying for hours
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> there's an azureus plugin
[11:59] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: yeah exactly
[11:59] <topyli> there is? oh
[11:59] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: sudo $EDITOR filename
[11:59] <tomaj> but computer will start by itself at 2am and then i want azureus to start 5 mins later
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: heh yes
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> thanks, will try
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: can't you just leave it on?
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: like normal people? :)
[12:00] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: i cant fall asleep, its to loud
[12:00] <topyli> heh
[12:00] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: so im trying to get it to start when im already sleeping
[12:00] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: where $EDITOR is your favoured editor of course...
[12:00] <topyli> i can't sleep if there's no computers
[12:00] <tomaj> 2am is when the free downloads start ;)
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:00] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[12:00] <ubotu> nano is better than xemacs
[12:00] <tomaj> topyli: lollercycle
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> I have a better suggestion
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> setup gdm to autologin
[12:01] <topyli> oh yes!
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> and set azureus to start on load
[12:01] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: i've already done that but i dont want azureus to start every time i start computer
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: you can't have your cake and eat it too
[12:01] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: it slows boot by heaps
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: turn your computer on/off less
[12:02] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: its possible so why not? plus if i cant get it started like other people something must be wrong with system in general
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> ok you could try starting it like this
[12:02] <topyli> tomaj: like i said, it's an X program and a java program at that. you must start X
[12:02] <tomaj> topyli x is started in tty7
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> ok you could try starting it like thisA
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> arhg
[12:03] <tomaj> i just want to get it started in x through tty1
[12:03] <topyli> tomaj: it's always started on a tty :)
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> DISPLAY=:0 su username -c /path/to/azureus  &> /dev/null
[12:03] <tomaj> topyli: gnome starts auto for me per default
[12:03] <topyli> tomaj: make another user and make it the azureus user so it won't bother you
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> or in your cron without su
[12:03] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: even if im logged in with tomaj?
[12:04] <snorks> Is there any text editors that are Python ready after a ubuntu install?
[12:04] <Seveas> vim
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: I would suggest vim
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> gvim foo.py
[12:04] <topyli> tomaj: but then you have two X's running
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> it will automatically give you syntax highlighting
[12:04] <Seveas> gvim is not installed by default :)
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> oh yeah it isn't :(
[12:04] <jordi00> hello
[12:04] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: gvim = vim-gnome - Vi IMproved - GNOME2 Version
[12:05] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: ?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> that's correct
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> nano is a retarded editor
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> but no-one cares enough
[12:05] <CarinArr> nano is like notepad in windows
[12:05] <buti> are there mysql 4.1 packages for hoary?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> CarinArr: nah nano has too many prompts etc
[12:05] <topyli> CarinArr: except we actually have a useful console :)
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> in notepad I can ctrl-s ctrl-q
[12:06] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: what did i do exactly?
[12:06] <Seveas> buti, yes
[12:06] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: in nano you can ctrl-x
[12:06] <gorilla_> CarinArr, gedit is closer to notpad than nano
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: the it promptsme for the damn filename
[12:06] <CarinArr> i was rather comparing the level of usefulness
[12:06] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: yes, then press enter
[12:06] <Seveas> mysql-server-4.1 - mysql database server binaries
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> anyway it's irrelevant, people who care can use their own editor
[12:06] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: well, have you ever tried to talk a newbie through editing a file in vim on IRC? I'm relieved nano is there, frankly...
[12:06] <Seveas> (etc...)(
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: oh no I'm not saying vim is better
[12:07] <buti> Seveas: cool, no special sources to add, then
[12:07] <Seveas> noep
[12:07] <Seveas> nope*
[12:07] <buti> ;-) thanks
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> I'm saying nano isn't optimal, but it's not a problem that needs solving
[12:07] <CarinArr> thoreauputic, you have a point there;)
[12:07] <bob2> if you're going to migrate to a new mysql, you might as well migrate to postgresql
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[12:07] <thoreauputic> !ed
[12:07] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[12:07] <topyli> thoreauputic: i always do, but nano might be easier to explain, yes
[12:07] <Seveas> bob2, :)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> topyli: I guess I'm lazy ;)
[12:07] <Seveas> step 1: migrate to postgres
[12:07] <Seveas> step 2: profit
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:08] <tsaar> are there any good web creating tools like macromedia dreamweaver or fireworks
[12:08] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: what did i do with the &> /dev/null ?
[12:08] <buti> bob2: that's very theoretical, though...
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tsaar: yes, gvim
[12:08] <clem_yeats> tsaar: NVU
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: ?
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: that makes the output go away
[12:08] <clem_yeats> tsaar: and the Gimp
[12:08] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: lol being run around then
[12:08] <ompaul> thoreauputic, vi on irc I have done - long and slowwwwwww
[12:09] <clem_yeats> oh hi by the way everybody.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ompaul: indeed
[12:09] <tsaar> tnx
[12:09] <clem_yeats> de nada :)
[12:09] <tsaar> checking right now
[12:09] <clem_yeats> tsaar: both work under Linux/Windows.
[12:10] <guillem> php has stopped working.... At some apache upgrade it asked it to remove php... I removed and reinstalled afterwards. What do I have to do now? I have added the symlincs at /etc/apache2/mods-available but it does not work after restarting apache
[12:10] <topyli> ed, man! man ed! has a nice example of a newbie ed session: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
[12:10] <bob2> guillem: you installed libapache2-mod-php4?
[12:10] <guillem> bob2, sure
[12:10] <jordi00> como instalar pluggin flash player para mozilla?
[12:10] <guillem> bob2, I am in AMD64. And it worked some time ago.
[12:11] <topyli> "Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity"
[12:11] <tomaj> bob2 are you able to help me now?
[12:11] <guillem> bob2, btw I'm reinstalling that package
[12:11] <bob2> tomaj: no
[12:11] <tsaar> i don't know why macromedia doesn't do them for linux distr
[12:11] <bob2> I have no idea what it could be
[12:11] <tomaj> bob2: ok you made it out as if you had found a solution for me, thanx for your help before then
[12:12] <bob2> I did?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> topyli: there's actually an error in that joke: ctrl-d exits (no subsequent ?) ;-)
[12:12] <tomaj> you complained that i kept going offline every 10 seconds which i thought meant you had something you could help me with
[12:13] <topyli> thoreauputic: does it exit ed? it's the bash exit key but i wouldn't be so sure about ed :)
[12:13] <guillem> bob2,  it is not apache, it is Firefox! konqueror does it right... hmmmm
[12:13] <thoreauputic> topyli: it does - try it
[12:13] <thoreauputic> topyli: ed is installed by dafault (of course) ;)
[12:13] <topyli> it does!
[12:13] <thoreauputic> *default
[12:14] <thoreauputic> yup
[12:14] <clem_yeats> topyli : CTRL+D is usually assigned to the EOF signal (End of file)
[12:14] <topyli> clem_yeats: yes, but i wasn't so sure if ed respects it :)
[12:14] <te[a] bag> hey guys, i have a problem, anyone willing to help?
[12:14] <guillem> bob2, it is something related to my user config of firefox, since it works for other users... sorry for the confusion
[12:14] <clem_yeats> topyli : I don't have a clue..
[12:14] <thoreauputic> topyli: one of the few things ed *does*respect ;-)
[12:14] <topyli> heh
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, ed insulted my grandmother
[12:15] <clem_yeats> topyli : Do you mean Ed is not a respectful editor ?
[12:15] <topyli> hell no!
[12:15] <topyli> it's the Standard
[12:16] <clem_yeats> I personaly think nowadays Eds are not what they were anymore.. respect was lost in many ways.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: on the contrary - ed is very respectful: it expects you to remeber everything and thus shows you almost nothing ;-)
[12:16] <te[a] bag> err guys...... could someone please help me?
[12:16] <ompaul> Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. <--- now we see the truth what you get is what you get
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: yo, shoot
[12:16] <thoreauputic> !ask
[12:17] <topyli> thoreauputic: unix programs are not supposed to give any feedback unless _they_ fail :)
[12:17] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: thanks, problem = http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1509
[12:17] <topyli> ompaul: hehe
[12:17] <thoreauputic> topyli: right - silence is golden!
[12:17] <clem_yeats> topyli : even 0 ?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: do you have synaptic open?
[12:17] <barongas> I'm trying to get my sound working in gaming enviroments. My ensoniq pci128 does the trick for ubuntu-sounds and playing music but when I open a game, for example majesty or tuxracer, it gives no sound.
[12:18] <topyli> clem_yeats: i like the wysiwym paradigm of lyx: what you see is what you _mean_
[12:18] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: if it returns to a prompt, it succeeded...
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> barongas: killall esd <- run that before playing the game
[12:18] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: not overly sure, new to nix, how can i find out?
[12:18] <clem_yeats> in some ways I'm glad grep, cat, more give me some noise, even whan they don't fail :)
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: synaptic is the graphical package maneger
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> manager
[12:18] <clem_yeats> topyli : that's really good :))
[12:18] <funkyHat> clem_yeats, that's because that's their purpose :P
[12:18] <topyli> clem_yeats: there's always -v if you want noise
[12:18] <barongas> HrdwrBoB: Do I need esd for anything else or can I add killall esd to my .bash with no probs?
[12:19] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: ahh no, im doing everything via ssh from my windows box
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> barongas: your desktop sounds etc use it
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: ok, run ps aux|less
[12:19] <ompaul> topyli, that feedback comment could get being asked the question, what was your username again, if you said it in #debian for instance :)
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> that will give you a list of running processes
[12:19] <funkyHat> barongas, you odn't need to add killall to your .bash, esd is only started if something uses it
[12:19] <topyli> hah
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> basically you've run apt-get and not closedit
[12:19] <ompaul> ohh dear, that could be very funny, it is if your me
[12:19] <barongas> funkyHat: Ahh sweet.
[12:19] <barongas> Thanks all
[12:20] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: done
[12:20] <clickedy> click
[12:20] <funkyHat> barongas, if you don't want it to start up, you need to change the settings in 'multimeda system selection'
[12:20] <funkyHat> barongas, or disable system sound startup in preferences > sounds (the other one is in preferences too)
[12:20] <topyli> lol
[12:20] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: apt-get update was in teh list
[12:20] <clem_yeats> click is right
[12:20] <clem_yeats> :)
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: ok, now hit 'q'
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: check your other windows for apt-get
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> if you don't know where it is
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> you can kill it with 'sudo killall apt-get'
[12:21] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: ok, killing
[12:22] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: ok, killed
[12:22] <te[a] bag> lol
[12:22] <funkyHat> heh
[12:22] <topyli> ompaul: you bofh
[12:22] <ompaul> here is the news 'mass murder of processes took place today when a user rebooted, police are looking for a person with low uptime'
[12:22] <snorks> hehe, I don't understand much of this python stuff.
[12:23] <snorks> is there a newbie newbie tutorial that explains programming in general and then explains python to a 3 year old?
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB>  ompaul you know the scary thing?
[12:23] <ompaul> snorks, not three year old?
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> reading bofh made me become a sysadmin
[12:23] <topyli> snorks: no, no such thing :)
[12:24] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, V0.99 its tuesday its backup day?
[12:24] <tomaj> what's an mit-magic-cookie key?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: it means denied
[12:24] <clem_yeats> snorks : for whom ?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: ahahah backups
[12:24] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: how do you mean?
[12:25] <topyli> i have backups! how else would i dare hang around here?
[12:25] <ompaul> snorks, not for a 3  year old http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide but it should help
[12:25] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, if you use the null device
[12:25] <tomaj> what's the advantage of python?
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: haha no, I took our backup server offline permanently, it was crap
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: it has nice documentation :)
[12:26] <clem_yeats> tomaj : it doesn't "bite" !
[12:26] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: man what?
[12:26] <tomaj> clem_yeats: wtf? lol
[12:26] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: cat /dev/zero > /dev/null ; done
[12:26] <snorks> ompaul: lol im reading that one :P
[12:27] <ompaul> no no no put null in to the tape
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[12:27] <snorks> ompaul: I need something as easy as if i write in bash wherever i am "hello?" something will print "hello!"
[12:27] <topyli> yes
[12:27] <ompaul> tomaj, the docs I pointed snorks at
[12:28] <topyli> snorks: echo "hello!"
[12:28] <snorks> topyli: echo?
[12:28] <ompaul> snorks, thats not python
[12:28] <tomaj> ompaul: k thanx :)
[12:28] <rob^> does it matter?
[12:28] <rob^> it works doesn't it and you understand it
[12:28] <topyli> no, as long as the job does done :)
[12:28] <ompaul> rob^, he did ask for python so maybe
[12:28] <topyli> gets done
[12:28] <kernic> somebody knows about ltsp?
[12:29] <rob^> why use python for something as simple as that? its overkill
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: that's not the issue
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: the thing is i need to start simple.
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: if i managed to get my computer to pring an answer on a question, that would rock
[12:29] <rob^> snorks, search google for "python tutorial"
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: I'm already reading the ptyhon tut for nonprogrammers and I understand nada
[12:30] <rob^> snorks, a better place to ask would be #python
[12:30] <snorks> rob^: true
[12:30] <ompaul> snorks, hold on a sec
[12:30] <rob^> snorks, why don't you start with something simpiler, such as shell scripting
[12:30] <topyli> snorks: http://siltala.net/comp/lookup-sh is a script that will find most local documentation
[12:30] <ompaul> is that the tutorial I pointed you at?
[12:30] <tomaj> thanx for your help HrdwrBoB
[12:30] <snorks> A set of Python lessons used during 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 children's summer camps in Britain by Richard Crook, Gareth McCaughan, Mark White, and Rhodri James. Aimed at children 12-15 years old.
[12:30] <kernic> I'm traiyng to make a ltsp-server with ubuntu 5.10...
[12:30] <tomaj> night guys
[12:31] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: many thanks, your help has led me to solving a bitch of a problem and now my apt-get works :)
[12:31] <rob^> kernic, edubuntu might be right up your alley
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: excellent :)
[12:31] <snorks> ompaul: here's what I need:P A set of Python lessons used during 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 children's summer camps in Britain by Richard Crook, Gareth McCaughan, Mark White, and Rhodri James. Aimed at children 12-15 years old.
[12:31] <topyli> heh
[12:33] <Digis> I get this message then I try to compile amule in breezy: "C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[12:33] <Digis> can somebody help me?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Digis: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:34] <Digis> thoreauputic, thank you, it helped
[12:34] <ompaul> Digis, you can also 'sudo apt-get install amule'
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Digis: :)
[12:34] <JaneW> hi guys my web link is not working properly atm, can anyone give me the mailinglist address for general ubuntu support please?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> ompaul: but..but.. that would be too easy! *g*
[12:35] <Digis> ompaul, I want amule with gtk2 support, but in breezy amule is only with gtk1 support :(
[12:35] <Digis> I really hate that
[12:35] <guillem> How do i place grub at the mbr?
[12:35] <ompaul> Digis, I can see how you might
[12:36] <ompaul> thoreauputic, so it seems
[12:36] <Digis> guillem, sudo update-grub
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I just made a factoid for build-essential ( key: !build )
[12:37] <thoreauputic> !build
[12:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, build is sudo apt-get install build-essential, or use the synaptic package manager to install the build-essential package: see !synaptic
[12:37] <guillem> Digis, thank you very much
[12:38] <dimmik> hi all, is  there a way that I can tell which ubuntu version I am currently running?
[12:38] <fluffybunny_> i'm having issues with mplayer - i think maybe my video drivers are not installed properly (complete thumbsuck, there) - i can play video files, but I can't resize them --> pressing F maximises the screen, but the image is still the original size
[12:39] <Hieronymus> dimmik: system -> about ubuntu
[12:39] <funkyHat> for some reason jackd isn't working. could it be because i have alsa 1.0.9b, and an outdated version of jack?
[12:39] <ompaul> !tell me about build
[12:39] <funkyHat> *well, outdated as in the hoary version ;)
[12:39] <dimmik> Thanks Hieronymus :)
[12:39] <ompaul> thoreauputic, doh I did not see you asking yourself
[12:40] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I made a minor edit
[12:40] <thoreauputic> !tell me about build
[12:41] <dimmik> Hieronymus: There is only "about gnome" in the system menu.
[12:41] <mjr> so, what's the recommended FM for learning how to set up and maintain an APT repository?
[12:42] <Digis> fluffybunny_, try to change mplayer video driver to xv, or smth else
[12:43] <Hieronymus> dimmik: and if you click the 'help' icon?
[12:43] <topyli> fluffybunny_: or the x11 driver
[12:43] <Gorgonzola> is it possible to remove the nvidia splash screen when using nvidia video card drivers?
[12:44] <morbidi> Gorgonzola: are you talking about the logo of nvidia
[12:44] <Ng>         Option          "NoLogo"                "true"
[12:44] <morbidi> that apears when you start X ?
[12:44] <morbidi> ya
[12:44] <Ng> put that in the device section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the nvidia card
[12:44] <Gorgonzola> morbidi, yep
[12:45] <Gorgonzola> it shows a white screen with nvidia logo for a few seconds... then the ubuntu login screen appears
[12:45] <fluffybunny_> Digis and topyli: thanks - that fixed it :D
[12:45] <Gorgonzola> Ng, what "Option" are you talking about?
[12:45] <alexgratonor> what
[12:46] <Ng> Gorgonzola: the line starting "Option" needs to go in your xorg.conf file in the nvidia card's device section
[12:46] <Gorgonzola> ah, thank you
[12:46] <alexgratonor> why
[12:47] <thoreauputic> alexgratonor: who? where?
[12:47] <topyli> ahh. my university is finally offering sane remote services for us, almost like a modern institution
[12:47] <alexgratonor> i'm a robot
[12:48] <dimmik> Hieronymus: Help gives me the help topics via Yelp 2.9.3
[12:49] <dimmik> Isn't there something like /etc/redhat-release in ubuntu?
[12:49] <ompaul> thoreauputic, hmmm a bot in a channel that is not the channel bot or channel logger hmm I wonder what function it performs
[12:50] <Seveas> dimmik, /etc/lsb-release
[12:50] <topyli> dimmik: /etc/lsb-release is supposed to be universal these days
[12:50] <thoreauputic> dimmik: /etc/lsb_release I think
[12:50] <Seveas> /etc/issue
[12:50] <Seveas> /etc/debian-version
[12:50] <dimmik> thanks guys
[12:52] <bob2> hm, I have no /etc/lsb*
[12:52] <bob2> tho this machine is from warty
[12:53] <mgomersall> Hi, I've been having some trouble under Ubuntu Linux with my ATI Radeon 9600 xt.
[12:53] <mgomersall> When using any 3d acceleration, the screen freezes.
[12:53] <mgomersall> An example of this is:
[12:53] <mgomersall> I ran glxgears, it was working fine until I moved the mouse, the gears got a little bit jerky.
[12:53] <mgomersall> I moved the mouse a little faster and the screen froze, there was nothing I could do - I pressed reset.
[12:53] <mgomersall> Another example:
[12:53] <mgomersall> I run Neverwinter Nights and see the 'enter cd-key' screen, I move the mouse and the screen goes black, after a few seconds the monitor goes into standby mode. I attempt to turn the monitor back on and I am receiving no signal from my computer.
[12:53] <mgomersall> Any help would be much appreciated.
[12:53] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[12:54] <Grat> uuuuu
[12:54] <Grat> angry ops :>
[12:54] <dimmik> I am running 5.0.4, this is the latest stable. Is there something like "testing" for ubuntu?
[12:54] <mjr> dimmik, no
[12:54] <clem_yeats> grat : did you just paste these last 4 "u" ?
[12:54] <clem_yeats> dimmik : next release in October
[12:54] <user1> dimmik: try colony 3
[12:54] <topyli> heh
[12:54] <morbidi> dimmik: developement
[12:55] <clem_yeats> dimmik : you can follow developement and distrib releases on distrowatch.com
[12:55] <gomersallm> Hello?
[12:55] <dimmik> morbidi: is there a repository ?
[12:55] <topyli> dimmik: ubuntu unstable is more like debian experimental. don't run it on production boxen
[12:55] <gomersallm> Seveas, I apologise but I only jsut joined the channel and didn't read the motd
[12:55] <gomersallm> Anbd for a start, I prepared a question properly in hopes of getting a solution.
[12:56] <dimmik> topyli: it's just my production laptop :)
[12:56] <thoreauputic> gomersallm: that's good - but use a pastebin :)
[12:56] <bob2> putting it all in one line would be a lot simpler
[12:56] <topyli> heh
[12:57] <snorks> I htink it;s better if I start with script programming.
[12:57] <topyli> dimmik: i think it's getting ready for the Sep 7h release of gnome 2.12. that's when i'm upgrading :)
[12:57] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: I have the same graphic card. the first thing I do after I install a linux distro is to comment out "load dri" and "load glx" in the X conf file.
[12:57] <topyli> 7th even
[12:58] <dimmik> topyli: thanks
[12:59] <gomersallm> clem_yeats: Will that help then?
[12:59] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: well, yes. It won't freeze anymore
[12:59] <gomersallm> clem_yeats: Ah, excellent, thank you very much!
[12:59] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: but it will deactivate acceleration... your games will be slow
[12:59] <gomersallm> ah
[12:59] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: I bought a playstation 2.. so I don't really care :)
[01:00] <gomersallm> Hmm
[01:00] <gomersallm> clem_yeats: Well that'd be no good.
[01:00] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: the last time I checked this was the only solution. But it's been a while since. Maybe somebody has come up with a nice ATI driver...
[01:01] <topyli> my radeon 9200 sucks at work on a linux box
[01:02] <topyli> buying game consoles is a better option :)
[01:02] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: ask saelynh (he's French, but he might speak English). He's got the same card and apparently he doesn't get the freeze problem.
[01:02] <locomorto> topyli: dfo you have the 8.14.13 drivers?
[01:03] <locomorto> they give me 33% better peformance over the ones that are in the ubuntu repos
[01:03] <locomorto> you need to install the ones in the repos first
[01:03] <Hmmm> anyone tried the NP plugin for amsn?
[01:03] <Grat> topyli: PS2 rules because of FFX :>
[01:03] <locomorto> then delete every occurance of fglrx.ko
[01:03] <Grat> and GT3&4
[01:03] <topyli> locomorto: dunno, i just use the ones that come with the system. that's why i have matrox cards at home :)
[01:03] <locomorto> ensure you have kenerl source and headers
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> Grat: and getting GTA first
[01:03] <topyli> not much of a gamer
[01:03] <locomorto> then compile
[01:03] <locomorto> and it pwns
[01:04] <topyli> locomorto: i'll check it out when i get bored at work :)
[01:04] <gomersallm> locomorto: Know anything about the ati radeon 9600xt?
[01:05] <gomersallm> locomorto: Know anything about the ati radeon 9600xt?
[01:05] <locomorto> Well I have a Mobility Radeon 9600 and it is well supported by the 8.14.13 drivers
[01:05] <locomorto> its the newer generation that has the shitty performance
[01:05] <gomersallm> Hmm
[01:06] <gomersallm> I would do the simple thing of buying an nVidia card, but I haven't the cash nor the patience...
[01:06] <topyli> i'd like to advertise something like that: "the NEW generation with SHITTY performance"
[01:06] <michele> topyli, I have that!
[01:07] <topyli> congratulations! :)
[01:07] <michele> yeppee
[01:07] <topyli> heh
[01:07] <thoreauputic> topyli: you should apply for a job with the marketing department at MS - you could write the copy for VISTA ;)
[01:08] <michele> actually, I'd settle for good 2D perf and shitty 3D (I use 3D only for rss-glx)
[01:08] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah, i would rule awsomely
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:08] <topyli> it's all about the CAPS
[01:09] <topyli> michele: that's why i buy matrox cards
[01:09] <topyli> michele: and old ones too :)
[01:09] <michele> topyli, you know, you can't really decide what's in your laptop
[01:09] <topyli> true enough
[01:09] <thoreauputic> for vid cards, it's all about inventing the most difficult and impossible to remember acronyms and numbers...
[01:09] <michele> topyli, back when I used desktops I also used matrox too :)
[01:09] <Trackilizer> how long has the new ubuntu version been out??
[01:10] <michele> topyli, I have a G400 in the PII box, which replaced the G200
[01:10] <Ng> I gave up on matrox after the g400
[01:10] <Ng> they stopped making better cards ;/
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> Ng: me too
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> I now have nvidia
[01:10] <Ng> yeah, me too
[01:10] <Ng> which I don't especially enjoy, but it works
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> but I bought the G400 purely because it had good linux support
[01:10] <michele> I started buying laptops after the G400 :)
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> heh michele
[01:10] <topyli> michele: i'm still at the desktop era. carrying machines around is silly, something like a nokia communicator is good enough
[01:10] <Ng> HrdwrBoB: yep, likewise
[01:10] <mjr> I started buying ATIs old enough to have DRI support
[01:11] <michele> topyli, I want laptops because they're small and quiet
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> I need both
[01:11] <topyli> michele: so is my phone (not so small, but pretty quiet :)
[01:11] <michele> and I need them for work, besides
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> so now I have an X40 12" ultra portable, a toshiba 14" older laptop, an amd64 desktop and a server
[01:11] <Alcohol> I love my laptop. :x
[01:12] <michele> topyli, I doubt your phone runs eclipse, though
[01:12] <topyli> michele: no, but it runs putty, nethack and doom. good enough
[01:13] <michele> topyli, as I said before... "work" ;)
[01:13] <michele> you know, that thing that allows you to eat and buy phones ;)
[01:13] <topyli> michele: depends on the "work" :)
[01:14] <_root> hey im very happily using ubuntu on the internet now, but sadly I need a little more help if anyone can spare the thought proccesses
[01:14] <Alcohol> I'm looking for a linux distro replacement for windows. But, it has to be able to perform the common tasks I currently use windows for. Those being: listening to music; watching movies; simple msn/irc chatting. I have a laptop that is pretty much 100% recognized by ubuntu, but also a 300gig external ntfs drive. The latter is my main barrier that stops me from switching to linux. I still want to be able to download music and movies, and store the
[01:14] <Alcohol> :/
[01:14] <topyli> michele: a communicator is no more expensive than a laptop though
[01:14] <funkyHat> _root, just ask
[01:14] <michele> topyli, well, a work that requires you to run doom and nethack should be pretty fun
[01:14] <ThePyromaniac> was changing username, sorry ^^
[01:14] <funkyHat> ok then, ThePyromaniac, just aks ;)
[01:14] <ompaul> !tell ThePyromaniac  about ask
[01:14] <funkyHat> *ask
[01:14] <michele> topyli, well, but I hate symbian and nokia
[01:14] <topyli> michele: i love it!
[01:14] <ThePyromaniac> i have set up internet connections with my ethernet hardware and acitvated them
[01:15] <topyli> michele: symbian does suck though
[01:15] <michele> topyli, I'd like the 770
[01:15] <ThePyromaniac> however when i click always activate when pc starts it freezes
[01:15] <mjr> Alcohol, the 300 gig ntfs drive seems to be the showstopper, pretty much, unless you want to try and tinker with captive ntfs. Can't you make it fat32 or something?
[01:15] <ThePyromaniac> then it wont load up when i leave my root account and i cant turn it on if im not in root
[01:15] <topyli> michele: yes, once it becomes a phone (voip is planned for the future)
[01:16] <Alcohol> mjr: Well, I have over 200gigs of stuff on it already. I'm a bit weary about converting the whole drive. Don't wanna lose anything :/
[01:16] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: BTW changing your nick doesn't mask the fact that you are on IRC as root (bad move)
[01:16] <kernic> where can I find de host key?
[01:16] <ThePyromaniac> i see
[01:16] <Alcohol> mjr: And I'm not very experienced yet when it comes to linux. So 'tinkering with captive ntfs' sounds scary to me :p
[01:16] <mjr> Alcohol, it should
[01:16] <topyli> michele: i also like the communicator's keyboard and display
[01:17] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: so you can only connect as root?
[01:17] <ThePyromaniac> i can only connect as root to the internet cause i need root acces to turn it on
[01:17] <ThePyromaniac> it forgetts i have told it to stay on
[01:17] <mjr> Alcohol, basically the solution I see is to try and find a place where to stick the 200 gigs temporarily, reformat the drive, and move the stuff back
[01:18] <morbidi> hmm 200 gigs temp
[01:18] <Alcohol> gg, now if only I had a second 300gig drive. xD
[01:18] <morbidi> hmmm
[01:18] <morbidi> *gosh*
[01:18] <mjr> if it's an external drive, it'd be easy to move somewhere else if a friend has the space to spare for a moment, for example
[01:18] <ThePyromaniac> got a friend with a nice big server? 200gigs of space... :p
[01:19] <Alcohol> mjr: External yes, but most of my friends have either 80 gig drives, or laptops with smaller drives. :/
[01:19] <morbidi> ThePyromaniac: 200 Gigs are 120 gigs + 80 gigs
[01:19] <morbidi> with some exchanges
[01:19] <morbidi> Alcohol: borrow your data to Microsoft
[01:19] <Alcohol> I could try to convert it with partition magic.. but, meh, I dunno if that can be trusted.
[01:19] <morbidi> they have 200 gigs
[01:20] <gorilla_> Alcohol, partition magic can be trusted but you shoudl still back up all valuable data beforehand.
[01:20] <morbidi> and Microsoft *CAN* be trusted
[01:20] <ThePyromaniac> so anyone have any ideas how to manually edit network configuration files to make connection load at startup?
[01:20] <hardw1re> lo
[01:20] <morbidi> I have 6 gig
[01:20] <Alcohol> What are the odds of linux being capable of both reading AND writing to ntfs within the next few months?
[01:21] <topyli> very slim
[01:21] <Alcohol> Damn :/
[01:21] <morbidi> ntfs = stop
[01:21] <ThePyromaniac> it would be nice if it could
[01:21] <gorilla_> morbidi, I trust Microsoft.... to fuck with us as we sleep.
[01:21] <morbidi> I don't know why
[01:21] <ThePyromaniac> i saw a ntfs program on the kde website, i forget what it does exactly
[01:21] <topyli> it's microsoft's decision really
[01:21] <snorks> root
[01:21] <jtan325> captive-ntfs
[01:21] <ThePyromaniac> is linux able to read NTFS?
[01:21] <bob2> Alcohol: low
[01:21] <jtan325> if you are brave
[01:21] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: yes
[01:21] <morbidi> ThePyromaniac: yes
[01:21] <jtan325> and want to be risk-taky
[01:21] <ThePyromaniac> yay
[01:21] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: an option in /etc/network/interfaces I would think (I only have dialup so it doesn't apply  here)
[01:22] <bob2> MS not only refuses to document it, but they change it, too
[01:22] <morbidi> topyli: reverse eng not permited ?
[01:22] <gorilla_> Alcohol, it's a low chance of reliable reading and writing to a ntfs partition.
[01:22] <ThePyromaniac> sadly i tried that one
[01:22] <funkyHat> ThePyromaniac, yes, writing to ntfs isn't particularly safe yet though
[01:22] <funkyHat> reading is fine
[01:22] <ThePyromaniac> hang on, when it goes red and says its to me, can other see that? i dont use IRC ever :$
[01:23] <Alcohol> gorilla_: Hrm :/
[01:23] <topyli> morbidi: i'm not sure if they can actively deny it, but they can make it difficult by not releasing the specs and changing them a little at every new version
[01:23] <morbidi> you can only write a file of the same size and the name has to be the same
[01:23] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: no, it just highlights when we use your nick
[01:23] <funkyHat> ThePyromaniac, no, it goes red because someone said your nickname. it goes red for me if someone says funkyHat
[01:23] <ThePyromaniac> ahh i see funkyHat
[01:23] <morbidi> topyli: in 2006 I hope they came up with a new fs
[01:23] <topyli> morbidi: not very open either, i guess :)
[01:24] <ThePyromaniac> sadly the file you suggested doesnt have the right configs thoreauputic
[01:24] <morbidi> and those guys that break the fs encoding can read it nicely
[01:24] <Alcohol> Oh well, thanks for your time and answering my questions.
[01:25] <ThePyromaniac> ooo, i see the settings
[01:25] <ThePyromaniac> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[01:25] <ThePyromaniac> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:25] <ThePyromaniac> how do i change them to always connect?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: something like auto eth0  for a network card i think
[01:26] <morbidi> ThePyromaniac: ?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> at the end of the file
[01:26] <ThePyromaniac> so the line would be:
[01:26] <ThePyromaniac> iface eth1 inet dhcp auto
[01:27] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: no I think the auto eth1 line is separate
[01:27] <dwerf> is it me, or did ubuntu not ask me
[01:27] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: man interfaces might help
[01:27] <dwerf> is it me, or did ubuntu not ask me for a su password upon installing?
[01:27] <ThePyromaniac> ah yes i see it
[01:27] <Seveas> that's correct dwerf
[01:27] <thoreauputic> !root
[01:27] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:27] <bimberi> ThePyromaniac, thoreauputic: yes - my interfaces file has "auto eth1" at the end
[01:28] <thoreauputic> dwerf: see ubotu's URL
[01:28] <dwerf> so what is my root password?
[01:28] <dwerf> that's weird
[01:28] <thoreauputic> dwerf: there isn't one - Ubuntu uses sudo
[01:28] <Seveas> there is no root password
[01:28] <sianis_> hi all
[01:28] <WodanTJ> dwerf: it is disabled
[01:28] <topyli> dwerf: root logins are disabled completely. read what ubotu linked to above ^
[01:28] <sianis_> i have a little problem with my laptop
[01:29] <ThePyromaniac> right, im gonna log and hope this worked, thanks guys
[01:29] <sianis_> HOW can i work with my funcion keys under X? I need control brightness
[01:29] <Seveas> sianis_, try throwing it out the window -- the little problem will be gone :)
[01:29] <dwerf> and where is wine in synaptic?
[01:29] <sianis_> :D
[01:29] <sianis_> thy
[01:29] <{cYanide}> lo
[01:29] <Seveas> dwerf, in multiverse
[01:29] <Seveas> enable that first
[01:29] <funkyHat> GRRR. all the <pre> text on the ubuntu wiki is invisible to me
[01:29] <Seveas> !repos
[01:29] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:29] <Seveas> funkyHat, huh?
[01:29] <topyli> dwerf: it does have a search function
[01:30] <sianis_> it's not good thing, i try it, but the prolme is here :D
[01:30] <funkyHat> i can highlight it, but i still can't see it when it's highlighted
[01:30] <{cYanide}> just wondering how can i use my ntfs windows partition from ubuntu? (just need to get/use some files from it)
[01:30] <funkyHat> i don't know why :(
[01:30] <dwerf> topyli > i know, but it's just not there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[01:30] <ubotu> mountwindows is, like, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[01:30] <dwerf> topyli > also after updating
[01:30] <Seveas> dwerf, read wht I said...
[01:30] <thoreauputic> {cYanide}: ^^^^
[01:31] <topyli> dwerf: it's in multiverse. do you have it enabled?
[01:31] <sammie> hmm
[01:31] <funkyHat> it's not an extension, because it's the same if i run firefox in safe mode
[01:31] <sammie> windows partions.................... what would you need them for? :)
[01:31] <Seveas> rm -rf ~/.mozilla :)
[01:31] <dwerf> topyli > multiverse?
[01:31] <Seveas> dwerf, hi, do you ever read?
[01:31] <Seveas> !repos
[01:31] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:31] <topyli> dwerf: ^
[01:31] <ThePyromaniac> that worked, im on my normal account now. thanks alot guys
[01:32] <azriel0184> is there an easy way for me to burn part/all of my predownloaded apt packages to a cd?
[01:32] <Gog> anyone recommend a decent raid (5) card supported well in ubuntu?
[01:32] <dwerf> topyli > i apologize ;-)
[01:32] <bob2> azriel0184: sure, with debian-cd
[01:32] <topyli> np :)
[01:32] <bob2> azriel0184: but all the ones in the default install are on the install cd
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> azriel0184: nautilus /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> then insert a blank CD/DVD
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> drag and drop
[01:32] <bob2> hah
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> .. burn
[01:32] <bob2> youche
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> it's ... rough
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> but it'd work :)
[01:33] <vladuz976> does anybody here speak japanese?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> I have a japanese car?
[01:33] <azriel0184> haha :) thanks HrdwrBoB, i wasnt sure where it stored the archive :)
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[01:34] <thoreauputic> hmm... is there even a Japanese Ubuntu channel?
[01:34] <kemik> ATi and Video Overlay. any experts? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1510  <- does not help
[01:34] <azriel0184> this isnt all of them is it? not even all the ones i have downloaded?
[01:35] <Grat> thoreauputic ubuntu.jp ubuntu-jp maybe?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Grat: I tried #ubuntu-jp - I was all alone ;)
[01:36] <vladuz976> Grat, no doesn't work
[01:37] <dwerf> what is multiverse?
[01:37] <{cYanide}> woot thanks got my windows part mounted now:) one more thing erm, can i make my windows transparent? i found i cant seem to do that
[01:37] <kemik> !multiverse
[01:37] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[01:37] <kemik> !repositories
[01:37] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:37] <kemik> dwerf:   ^
[01:37] <dwerf> what are repositories?
[01:37] <kemik> OMG
[01:37] <kemik> dwerf:  read the LINKS
[01:37] <dwerf> i have a dutch version  of ubuntu
[01:37] <kemik> dwerf:  use google
[01:38] <dwerf> i did
[01:38] <thoreauputic> dwerf: you've been given several links - use your browser and *read* them
[01:38] <Seveas> dwerf, multiverse is multiverse, even in dutch
[01:38] <bob2> multiversk!
[01:38] <Seveas> hm?
[01:39] <bob2> hm, I meant to put a j in there somewhere ;-p
[01:39] <Seveas> even then, hm?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> http://care.for.a.schmoke.archive.ubuntu.com/ </jeremy clarkson>
[01:39] <thoreauputic> bob2: ja, ja of course ;)
[01:39] <bob2> hah
[01:40] <topyli> multijversk
[01:40] <kemik> noone know about Video Overlay??
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: depends
[01:41] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  i've got a monitor and tv connected, and i want the TV to have fullscreen when i play movies.. atm it goes FullScrren on doom3... however if you look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1510 you'll see it shouldnt!
[01:41] <kemik> any idea?
[01:42] <kemik> (s)
[01:42] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, that is plain underpowered, on a letter to url basis
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> tbh I have no idea
[01:45] <ompaul> yesssss documented one job
[01:45] <ompaul> lunch time
[01:45] <kainos> how do i share my printer within my lan using SAMBA?
[01:47] <azriel0184> kainos, with great difficulty.
[01:48] <topyli> hah
[01:48] <azriel0184> my problem is the reverse, using a printer that is shared via samba on a windows network
[01:48] <topyli> kainos: do you have windows or linux clients?
[01:48] <azriel0184> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1482407&pp=25&page=2 <<--- my problem
[01:48] <kainos> linux clients
[01:48] <azriel0184> err, no its not
[01:48] <bina> How do you add / configure printers in Kubuntu? just through The KDE Printer Control, or is there some special way?  I have a USB printer, how can i find out which /dev/usb/... its on?
[01:48] <kainos> hiw do i share my printer over my network? do i need to use samba?
[01:48] <topyli> kainos: then i wouldn't use samba at all. cups is a network protocol already
[01:48] <kainos> parallel pport
[01:49] <azriel0184> kainos, why not use a linux sharing then?
[01:49] <thoreauputic> kainos: this might help >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[01:49] <snorks> is there a nice apt-get'able mud client?
[01:49] <kainos> the printer is connected to a computer using ubuntu
[01:49] <thoreauputic> kainos: ah, linux only? Use cups
[01:49] <azriel0184> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58718 <<--- this is my problem
[01:50] <kainos> where do i go to config it?
[01:50] <kainos> printer manager?
[01:51] <kemik> snorks:  doesnt Mud use telnet ?
[01:51] <kainos> all in our network uses ubuntu...just having a hard time sharing my printer
[01:51] <kemik> kainos:  cups-gnome-manager or somesuch it's called
[01:51] <azriel0184> kemik, mud works on top of telnet, yes
[01:51] <snorks> kemik: telnet is crapola
[01:51] <snorks> is there a kmuddy package?
[01:51] <kainos> im sorry im using kde. or kubuntu
[01:52] <azriel0184> snorks, how about checking?
[01:52] <funkyHat> if i have 2 soundcards, and oss emulation, will hw:0,0 be /dev/dsp and hw:1,0 be /dev/dsp1? or is it possible that both /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are attached to the first soundcard?
[01:52] <spo0nman> how do i replace all occurances of x with a newline in vim?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> kainos: try setting Browse on in /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf
[01:53] <snorks> azriel0184: with apt-cache search kmuddy?
[01:53] <bob2> you already got an answer...
[01:53] <snorks> azriel0184: maybe I don't have the correct repositories?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> kainos: that's what did it for me here I think
[01:53] <kainos> ok will do that...wait..
[01:53] <azriel0184> snorks, yes, or even try installing the package. if it fails then that is the package either doesnt exist or is called something else
[01:53] <kemik> snorks:  well, try adding extras and see ? or use gewgle
[01:54] <InitMass> which date is breezy planned to get released?
[01:54] <azriel0184> snorks, do you have universe, multiverse, and backports enabled?
[01:54] <kemik> InitMass:  13 oct
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kainos: I think you might need to enable cups listening on the LAN as well
[01:54] <kainos> ok shall i turn browsing on?
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kainos: then do  sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kainos: yes
[01:54] <snorks> azriel0184: I've added repositories from ubuntuguide.org
[01:55] <kainos> ok what else do i need to do? shall i reboot the pc?
[01:55] <kainos> ok restartng
[01:55] <snorks> azriel0184: I found a .deb pack of kmuddy tho. Don't know where to put it :/
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kainos: once all that is doen you should be able to configure the printer from client machines I think
[01:55] <azriel0184> snorks, then yes
[01:55] <kainos> ok
[01:55] <azriel0184> snorks, dpkg --add kmuddy.deb
[01:56] <kemik> !sound
[01:56] <ubotu> from memory, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[01:56] <thoreauputic> kainos: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf might be worth a look as well
[01:56] <ThePyromaniac> hey people, i tried the icr channel for #kftpgrabber but they suck. anyone know to install programs like this for KDE? no faqs anywhere and i dont wanna put it in the wrong place
[01:56] <InitMass> kemik, :) that's quite soon
[01:57] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  ./configure, make, make install?
[01:57] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  there's not INSTALL or README file ?
[01:57] <ThePyromaniac> readme says nothing on what to do
[01:58] <topyli> ThePyromaniac: the wrong place?
[01:58] <ThePyromaniac> just has some instructions for changing it to work with 3.1 insteasd of 3.4
[01:58] <topyli> just build it
[01:59] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  there's a kubuntu repository adress to add. so i guess they've got .deb packages
[01:59] <ThePyromaniac> how? :$ im brand new to linux
[01:59] <Ng> what's kftpgrabber?
[01:59] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net/downloads.php  <- scroll down and look at the "kubuntu repository"
[01:59] <topyli> ThePyromaniac: never mind, listen to kemik ^
[01:59] <Ng> are you sure there isn't an easier tool to install? ;)
[01:59] <Safari_Al> Hi all.  Can anyone help me get playback of encrypted DVDs working in breezy?  I have totem-xine installed but I can't find a libdvdcss package.  I tried installing from source but that didn't make any difference.
[01:59] <kemik> Ng:  seem to be a nice FTP applicaton ;)
[02:00] <InitMass> i don't like the fact that you have to be registred to be able to access some parts of the ubuntuforums.org
[02:00] <Ng> kemik: so gftp or nautilus would be easier than installing a shit load of stupid kde stuff that won't integrate? ;)
[02:00] <kemik> Ng:  i've found most ftp clients in linux lack certain 'features'
[02:00] <ThePyromaniac> ooo, didnt see that. thanks mate
[02:00] <Ng> lftp has all of them, but I appreciate not everyone will like a console one
[02:00] <kemik> lftp isnt great for everyday use
[02:00] <kemik> unless it's a easily scripted task
[02:00] <Ng> ftp of any kind isn't great for any use
[02:00] <kemik> gftp and ssl is not for newbies
[02:00] <Ng> but lftp is the nicest ftp client ime :)
[02:00] <kemik> nautilus im sure doesnt support ssl (or does it? )
[02:01] <Ng> pass
[02:01] <topyli> Ng: hear hear, ftp in general sucks very badly
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Ng: lftp is nice :)
[02:01] <Gog> almost as nice as ncftp ;)
[02:01] <Ng> but given that firefox and gftp can both do it, going with a kde one seems like madness
[02:01] <kemik> Pftp by hoe is a nice ncurses client.. of course it's mainly for fxp :/
[02:01] <kemik> Ng:  not if he uses kubuntu tho =)
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Gog: I think ubotu lacks a "satart an ftp client war" entry ;)
[02:02] <thoreauputic> *starrt
[02:02] <thoreauputic> haha
[02:02] <carajean206> hey i got a quick question about xorg.conf nvidia drivers
[02:02] <kainos> now im getting trouble viewing the shaRED directories
[02:02] <Ng> kemik: I have no time for kubuntu ;)
[02:03] <kemik> hehe
[02:03] <thoreauputic> kainos: samba issue, unrelated to cupsys
[02:03] <kemik> well i dont use kde either..
[02:03] <topyli> yeah, kde takes all day to set up :)
[02:03] <Ng> carajean206: ask away
[02:03] <topyli> !start a desktop war
[02:03] <ubotu> fluxbox is much better than xfce!
[02:03] <thoreauputic> !distrowar
[02:03] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I give up, what is it?
[02:03] <topyli> !start a distro war
[02:03] <ubotu> topyli: Are you on ritalin?
[02:03] <carajean206> hey anyone know if in the device section in the xorg.conf file is suppose to be missing the last half until u install new drivers?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> oh - someone wiped it!
[02:03] <topyli> hrmpf
[02:04] <carajean206> my xorg file is only half of what it should be
[02:04] <thoreauputic> topyli: someone without a sense of humour wiped it
[02:04] <ttj> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to find my SATA-disks... As far as I can tell, I need "ahci", "sd_mod" and "libata". I tried with breezys kernel, and it finds sd_mod and libata, but not ahci... (this is with 2.6.12). This works perfectly in Fedora. Any tips?
[02:04] <ThePyromaniac> so with them lines in sources.list, where do i go from there
[02:04] <ThePyromaniac> how do i run it i mean?
[02:04] <Ng> carajean206: what is it missing? it should be complete
[02:04] <topyli> thoreauputic: very sad
[02:04] <thoreauputic> topyli: I agree
[02:05] <carajean206> in the device section im missing all the options like  Option  "NoDCC"
[02:05] <Trackilizer> just wanted to say ubuntu is great
[02:05] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  probaly "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get install kftpgrabber"
[02:05] <thoreauputic> topyli: puritans annoy me...
[02:05] <Trackilizer> its the first linux OS that simply works
[02:05] <Ng> carajean206: they aren't put there by default
[02:05] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  that's to install, then i guess starting it would be "kftpgrabber"
[02:05] <Trackilizer> inlike the may i tried before
[02:05] <Trackilizer> unlike*
[02:05] <kemik> well , im still bugged about the soudn/multimedia issues in ubuuuntu
[02:05] <carajean206> oohh ok should i put them there or when install the new drivers they will be there?
[02:06] <kemik> !apt-get
[02:06] <ubotu> from memory, apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:06] <ThePyromaniac> hmm, download failed, i will have to do manually. i hate having to use my brain ^^
[02:06] <Ng> carajean206: you'll need to put them there, but they are all documented in the NVIDIA readme, so you only need to put in the ones you want - it's better not to include all of them so they can just take on their default options
[02:07] <kainos> i still cnt get my printer shared. is der a way i can do this within kde without getting into editing files manually?
[02:07] <Bags2> Hi all.
[02:07] <carajean206> ok thats what i was wondering thanks for making that clear but by chance which one should i put in there?
[02:08] <Bags2> Can anyone help me with a G3 Laptop Battery problem?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> kainos: did you restart cupsys ?
[02:08] <Bags2> Ubuntu doesn't want to charge it.
[02:08] <Ng> carajean206: after you install the proper nvidia driver the only thing you *have* to do is change the driver from nv to nvidia, the options are all, well, optional :)
[02:08] <kainos> yes i did
[02:09] <thoreauputic> kainos: hmmm... it's been a while since I did this - I can't remember the exact steps I took...
[02:09] <kainos> ok.
[02:10] <kainos> but i can do this within KDE right?
[02:10] <thoreauputic> kainos: aha!
[02:10] <thoreauputic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-4418cd7d615ef8671298999da334d7f7b8d3b8ae
[02:10] <thoreauputic> kainos: ^^^
[02:10] <carajean206> lol yeah i worked all day yesterday on installing the drivers and i get so many errors its not funny
[02:10] <kainos> yes
[02:11] <kainos> whta?
[02:11] <Ng> carajean206: how were you trying to install them? it's like two packages to apt-get ;)
[02:11] <carajean206> i tried every googled guide out there
[02:11] <kainos> ok
[02:11] <snorks> Is there any mudders here on a amd64 system? I need to be pointed to a nice client
[02:11] <thoreauputic> kainos: that link tells you how to enable cups listening on the lan
[02:12] <Alex> telnet? :P
[02:12] <snorks> dont answer, i found gnome-mud
[02:12] <snorks> Alex: thanks tho :P
[02:12] <Ng> carajean206: the only guide you need is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:12] <Alex> snorks: :)
[02:12] <osfa> ah!  I thought you were looking for mothers, wondered why you were so specific :-)
[02:13] <gaby007> hola
[02:14] <gaby007> alguien en espaol?
[02:14] <zukalk> !es
[02:14] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:14] <Aliekens> where can i find a package list of ubuntu's live cds?
[02:14] <gaby007> gracias
[02:14] <gaby007> saludos
[02:15] <carajean206> now will that give me the latest drivers becuase i have few games installed on here and need the new drivers
[02:15] <hubsi> re vom auddooo faaahn
[02:15] <wickedpuppy> carajean206, you got problem with nvidia drivers issit ?
[02:17] <carajean206> yeah of course cant get them installed right
[02:17] <carajean206> nvidia always gives me heck
[02:17] <wickedpuppy> would you like to see my xorg.conf ?
[02:17] <carajean206> uh yeah please
[02:17] <Ng> it'll give you 7174
[02:18] <Ng> I have no idea if that's the very latest version, but istr the very very latest version was a tiny bugfix and didn't apply to most people anyway
[02:18] <Ng> games work fine for me on 7174
[02:18] <Ng> (geforce 5900xt)
[02:18] <carajean206> hmm i need the newer ones cause my card isnt surported
[02:18] <carajean206> i have the 6200
[02:18] <ThePyromaniac> hmm to compile a program i need a compiler, is there one in the distro or do i need to get one?
[02:19] <wickedpuppy> ThePyromaniac, what language you using ?
[02:19] <Ng> carajean206: that should easily be supported, my friend's 6800 has been supported for *months*
[02:19] <wickedpuppy> carajean206, pls accept my dcc
[02:19] <ThePyromaniac> i think its c++
[02:19] <wickedpuppy> ThePyromaniac, get g++
[02:19] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  get "build-essential"
[02:19] <ThePyromaniac> ok thanks
[02:19] <wickedpuppy> it should be in aynaptic
[02:20] <Ng> carajean206: the only change from 7174 to 7676 is "Fixed geforce 7800 gtx clocking problem" so you should be fine
[02:20] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  get g++ if "build-essential" doesnt work. (you'll want build-essential in the first place if you're about to compile stuff etc)
[02:20] <wickedpuppy> eh hmms .. carajean206 if you are not accepting i be acorting :P
[02:20] <emilio> hellou iam spanish, do you known a char about java?
[02:21] <ThePyromaniac> which is better?
[02:21] <wickedpuppy> emilio, char ?
[02:21] <emilio> chat
[02:21] <emilio> canal
[02:21] <wickedpuppy> emilio, #java
[02:21] <carajean206> i did accept
[02:21] <wickedpuppy> no kid
[02:21] <wickedpuppy> hmms .. nvm i paste
[02:21] <carajean206> it says waiting for transfer to begin
[02:22] <ttj> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to find my SATA-disks... As far as I can tell, I need "ahci", "sd_mod" and "libata". I tried with breezys kernel, and it finds sd_mod and libata, but not ahci... (this is with 2.6.12). This works perfectly in Fedora. Any tips?
[02:22] <carajean206> ok do it in the flood channel
[02:22] <carajean206> is there anyway to learn what drivers u have installed already?
[02:22] <wickedpuppy> carajean206, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1512
[02:23] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  "build-essential" to begin with
[02:23] <emilio> but i don,t function
[02:23] <carajean206> yeah wicked thats exactly what i use to have untill a couple seconds ago i changed it
[02:23] <emilio> i write /join #java
[02:23] <carajean206> hey wicked do u know a way to tell what drivers i have installed?
[02:23] <SiRrUs> good morning people
[02:24] <emilio> what is the problem
[02:24] <gnorr> i've just installed ubuntu and the audio works - mp3 or an mpg
[02:24] <kemik> carajean206:  lsmod
[02:24] <gnorr> but
[02:24] <gnorr> there's no component to play them
[02:24] <ThePyromaniac> right, i have the build-essential.deb file, what do i do with that?
[02:24] <kemik> !restrictedformats
[02:24] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[02:24] <gnorr> so no mpg's are working
[02:24] <emilio> joined #java
[02:25] <kemik> gnorr:   ^^ ubotu link
[02:25] <gnorr> kewik > so it's a patent thing?
[02:26] <sorush20> what is the highest laser storage system available on the market
[02:26] <kemik> gnorr:  mp3's yes, mpg possibly
[02:26] <bob2> mpeg-2 is patent-encumbered
[02:27] <bob2> mpeg-4 is even worse
[02:27] <ThePyromaniac> guys? what do i do with a .deb file? tryign to install build-essentials
[02:28] <bob2> don't download it
[02:28] <bob2> use apt
[02:28] <bob2> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:28] <kemik> !apt-get
[02:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:29] <ThePyromaniac> thanks, weird that i have to reinsert my cd
[02:29] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  read up on the aptgethowto, it may contain useful information
[02:29] <bob2> why is that weird?
[02:29] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  it's because you got the CD in your sources.list
[02:29] <ThePyromaniac> well why do i need to?
[02:29] <ThePyromaniac> indeed i do
[02:29] <bob2> because it has to get the package off the cd?
[02:29] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  remove that line and it'll grab from the net
[02:29] <bob2> if you want it to use the interweb, configure apt to do so
[02:29] <ThePyromaniac> heh, ok thanks sir
[02:30] <kemik> (and read that link.. will take you 3-5minutes and you'll learn alot im sure)
[02:30] <thoreauputic> hah @ bob2 :interweb"
[02:30] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:30] <carajean206> ok lsmod didnt work to tell me which nvidia drivers i have installed
[02:30] <bob2> indeed
[02:30] <bob2> all it will tell you is if you have the proprietary module loaded or not
[02:31] <carajean206> and i dont know how to interpret what it is saying i need a number or somethin i understand
[02:31] <bob2> carajean206: why are you using lsmod at all?
[02:31] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto explains how to do it
[02:32] <Ng> carajean206: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[02:32] <carajean206> someone told me to :(
[02:32] <kemik> *i did* :)
[02:32] <carajean206> ok it says i have the newest ones installed now just to get them working
[02:33] <carajean206> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[02:33] <carajean206> Status:          Disabled
[02:33] <bob2> continue reading that page
[02:33] <carajean206> what does that mean?
[02:34] <carajean206> yeah i just got through doin all what they said
[02:34] <bob2> if you follow those steps, it will work
[02:34] <carajean206> pretty much im on the fast write part
[02:34] <ThePyromaniac> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[02:34] <ThePyromaniac> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[02:34] <goldfish> What's the default runlevel in ubuntu ?
[02:34] <Ng> 2
[02:35] <goldfish> thanks.
[02:35] <bob2> note that 2-5 are identical
[02:35] <carajean206> bob2 is this bad
[02:35] <goldfish> yep, thanks :)
[02:35] <carajean206> sudo chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia
[02:35] <carajean206> chmod: cannot access `/dev/nvidia': No such file or directory
[02:35] <XandriX> how do you list packages with apt-get again ?
[02:35] <bob2> carajean206: go back to the start of that guide
[02:35] <ompaul> bob2, what is the historical reason for all of the 'debian' runlevels to be lumped in together?
[02:35] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  what are you doing?
[02:35] <bob2> XandriX: list which packages?
[02:35] <carajean206> ok
[02:36] <XandriX> bob2, for exemple available kernels
[02:36] <gorilla_> carajean206, it could be /dev/nvidia0 instead
[02:36] <bob2> XandriX: apt-cache search blah
[02:36] <Ng> XandriX: fire up synaptic ;)
[02:36] <bob2> ompaul: the theory is that if you install something, you want it to run
[02:36] <XandriX> thx bob2
[02:36] <bob2> ompaul: if not, you can disable it easily
[02:36] <XandriX> Ng, since when can u fire it up in concole ???
[02:36] <sorush20> what is the biggest size dvd available.. is there a blue laser DVd
[02:36] <ompaul> bob2, that makes sense :) thanks, could never get my head around that
[02:36] <ThePyromaniac> kemik: i install build-essentials so i could compile kftpgrabber. it says checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.
[02:36] <XandriX> *console
[02:37] <Ng> XandriX: synaptic is a graphical app, but it's the quickest way to see a list of available packages
[02:37] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: install xlibs-dev
[02:37] <XandriX> Ng, i know lol
[02:37] <ThePyromaniac> with apt-get?
[02:37] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  are you using kubuntu, right?
[02:37] <bob2> yes
[02:37] <ThePyromaniac> yes
[02:37] <carajean206> what does busid mean on the guide his says 1.0.0 in mines its 3.0.0
[02:37] <bob2> carajean206: leave it blank
[02:38] <bob2> there will be beatings if someone screwed up the binarydriverhowto
[02:38] <Ng> that busid stuff is junk, ignore it
[02:38] <carajean206> ok
[02:38] <XandriX> well thx again guys
[02:38] <carajean206> then im past all that
[02:38] <carajean206> and on to other stuff like the sudo chmod stuff and thats not working right
[02:39] <Ng> carajean206: you need to read more carefully
[02:39] <Ng> it says "sudo chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia*"
[02:39] <ThePyromaniac> how do i install xlibs-dev heh
[02:39] <Ng> ThePyromaniac: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[02:39] <carajean206> oh what does that thing mean i have to type that in there also?
[02:40] <ThePyromaniac> i tried that, missed out sudo, doh
[02:40] <bob2> carajean206: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:40] <Ng> carajean206: when a command is given you are supposed to type all of it, yes :)
[02:40] <ThePyromaniac> package is missing, guess that means i hunt on interweb? ;p
[02:40] <carajean206>  sudo chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia*
[02:40] <carajean206> chmod: cannot access `/dev/nvidia*': No such file or directory
[02:41] <carajean206> bob2 i have it printed and sitting next to me
[02:41] <bob2> carajean206: dude
[02:41] <bob2> carajean206: that page does not mention /dev/nvidia, nor chmod, nor pci ids
[02:41] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: perhaps it's not on the cd
[02:41] <Ng> bob2: he's reading the optimising nvidia one
[02:41] <bob2> yeah
[02:41] <bob2> which is utter crap
[02:41] <ThePyromaniac> bob2: could be. http://packages.debian.org/stable/oldlibs/xlibs-dev i just click download all i quesS?
[02:41] <Ng> and wildly ignoring everything we are saying
[02:41] <carajean206> oh yeah bob we are past that page i have already finished that
[02:41] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: no, you use apt
[02:42] <carajean206> it says to log out which i havent yet i guess i will try brb
[02:42] <ThePyromaniac> bob2: but it scares me! i dont know how, i read that link earlier too heh
[02:42] <bob2> carajean206: if you're reading a page that has "nvidia" and "optimise" in the title, ignore it, it's utter crap
[02:42] <bob2> carajean206: holy god
[02:42] <carajean206> oh ok
[02:42] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev should download and install it
[02:43] <ThePyromaniac> Package xlibs-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: sudo apt-get update
[02:43] <ThePyromaniac> i guessi  should edit sources.list and remove cd?
[02:43] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: you'll need to configure apt to use network sources
[02:43] <ThePyromaniac> ahh, ok
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: you haven't messed with your sources, have you?
[02:44] <ThePyromaniac> no, i havent touched em ^^
[02:44] <ompaul> thoreauputic, he burnt them? :)
[02:44] <ThePyromaniac> should i remove the cd line?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> run update then
[02:44] <bob2> wtf
[02:44] <bob2> this is insane
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: shouldn't matter as long as the others are intact
[02:44] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  put a # infront of the CD-line, and then run "apt-get update"
[02:44] <Ng> bob2: permissions make it go faster!!!11 ;)
[02:45] <Ng> that bit cracks me up ;)
[02:46] <buti> what's the reason for packages being held back?
[02:46] <ThePyromaniac> i hate it when error and message windows keep on cycling thru and never g away, with no way to cancel them
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Ng: no, no - you need chrome and stripes!  *g*
[02:46] <ompaul> Ng, and segfault is where it feels a little tired and goes on holiday without requesting permission?
[02:46] <kemik> Ng:  where did you read that ? ? =)
[02:46] <djtric> courier-imap won't create maildirs...any suggestions?
[02:46] <ThePyromaniac> i forgot to ask for root privilages when editing the sources.list
[02:46] <Ng> buti: usually because something would need to be removed, you could try a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" from a terminal, but be very careful about what it says
[02:46] <ThePyromaniac> now its telling me i can, then appologizing, then tellign me i cant, then appologizing...
[02:46] <Ng> kemik: the nvidia optimisation page in the wiki
[02:46] <Ng> the big downside of collaborative documentation is that it's collaborative ;)
[02:46] <carajean206> ok bob2 that binary stuff dont work
[02:46] <Ng> shame that's also the big upside
[02:46] <osfameron> that's also the upside
[02:46] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: umm.. you aren't making a lot of sense here ;)
[02:47] <ThePyromaniac> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///home/phil/kftpgrabber-0.6.0/config.log.
[02:47] <ThePyromaniac> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[02:47] <ThePyromaniac> i click ok then...
[02:47] <ThePyromaniac> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///home/phil/kftpgrabber-0.6.0/config.log.
[02:47] <ThePyromaniac> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[02:47] <carajean206> um i get console when i try that page and the only way to get back to the gui is turn "nvida" to "nv" again
[02:47] <ThePyromaniac> repeat add nauseum
[02:47] <bob2> carajean206: "dont work"?
[02:48] <carajean206> yeah it dont work
[02:48] <ompaul> buti,  If packages cannot be retrieved or fail the integrity check after retrieval (corrupted package files), hold back those packages and handle the result.
[02:48] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  quit and use Sudo to edit that file then
[02:48] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: erm... wtf are you doing?
[02:48] <ThePyromaniac> im going to have to restart  i think, it wont go away
[02:48] <carajean206> i did everything on that page and it still wont work
[02:48] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:48] <bob2> carajean206: so, that is a useless description of the problem
[02:48] <ThePyromaniac> dude, its not me. i cant close the program or anything
[02:48] <buti> mmh... interesting..
[02:48] <bob2> carajean206: you need to explain what isn't working
[02:48] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  no it wont go away until you close the application
[02:48] <Ng> carajean206: run "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" in a terminal, how many lines does it print that start ii?
[02:48] <ThePyromaniac> i cant close the application, thats what im trying to say*chuckle*
[02:48] <Ng> it should say nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel- at least
[02:49] <ompaul> buti, read 'man apt-get' for more detail
[02:49] <carajean206> i count 4 lines
[02:49] <carajean206> nvidia-glx
[02:49] <carajean206> nvidia-glx-dev
[02:49] <djtric> anyone here skilled at using courier-imap?!=)
[02:49] <noodle> how do i get vlc to play audio cds automatically?
[02:49] <carajean206> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.7174+1     NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[02:49] <carajean206> ii  nvidia-setting 1.0-3ubuntu2   Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv
[02:49] <carajean206> and those two
[02:49] <ThePyromaniac> gonna log out n back in, cya soon :)
[02:50] <noodle> i made it to the Removeable Drives and Media Gnome prefs, but i'm not sure about the command... cdda:///dev/hdc?
[02:50] <xerox> Hi
[02:50] <xerox> How to tell ubuntu to use sun jre?
[02:50] <Srekel> Hi
[02:50] <Ng> hmm
[02:50] <xerox> I think I need to config the "alternatives" system but I don't know how
[02:50] <Srekel> is there a way to find what is in a .a library file?
[02:50] <Ng> carajean206: those look like the right packages are installed
[02:50] <Ng> wonder why it's not working
[02:50] <carajean206> me to
[02:51] <Srekel> I'm guessing there's a tool that does it, but I don't know which
[02:51] <Ng> carajean206: does "lsmod | grep nv" show anything?
[02:51] <Bags2> Hi guys, gals...
[02:51] <bob2> Ng: isn't it NVDriver these days or something?
[02:51] <Bags2> Thanks for all your help with my Ubuntu PPC installation on my G3.
[02:51] <carajean206> nvidia_agp              7452  1
[02:51] <carajean206> nvidia               3708296  0
[02:51] <carajean206> agpgart                31784  2 nvidia_agp,nvidia
[02:51] <Ng> bob2: nvidia afair
[02:51] <carajean206> thats what i get
[02:52] <{cYanide}> has anyone use UAE in ubuntu?
[02:52] <Bags2> One last little problem.....(Well, I hope...) - My G3 is not charging it's battery.
[02:52] <{cYanide}> i installed it, but when i goto run it does nothing (thou ive never run it on linux before so maybe there is no gui)
[02:52] <Bags2> Anyone have any ideas how to debug a battery module problem?
[02:53] <ThePyro> back, got that sources.list working now :)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> {cYanide}: UAE? United Arab Emirates?
[02:53] <bob2> you'd need to be more specific than "battery module problem"
[02:53] <{cYanide}> amiga emulator
[02:53] <{cYanide}> the gui just popped up thou:)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> heh
[02:53] <carajean206> what is the right version of linux restricted modules installed mean?
[02:54] <bob2> carajean206: "sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)"
[02:54] <carajean206> hey bob am i suppose to type something
[02:55] <carajean206> its just hanging there
[02:55] <bob2> what?
[02:55] <bob2> that's the command you should run
[02:55] <thoreauputic> carajean206: without the quotes
[02:55] <carajean206> and i did and it gave me one of those greater than signs and a blinking thing
[02:55] <[Dont-know] > hello peeps
[02:55] <Bags2> bob2: Ok, well, I have a G3 PowerBook (Lombard) and the battery was providing about 4 hours of operation under OSX, but since the Ubuntu conversion, it's gone flat and won't recharge.
[02:55] <ThePyro> after update i get "Reading package lists... Done" and nothing else, what next?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> it must be Sunday somewhere...
[02:56] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I don't think so
[02:56] <bob2> carajean206: that means you didn't type what I said correctly
[02:56] <thoreauputic> carajean206: then you typed it wrong
[02:56] <bob2> thoreauputic: hah, it always is
[02:56] <carajean206> ok bob2 its doin somehtin now
[02:56] <Bags2> bob2: It's as if the APM  is not working properly.
[02:56] <ompaul> thoreauputic, hawaii perhaps
[02:56] <carajean206> ok its done now
[02:56] <bob2> PPC doesn't use APM
[02:56] <bob2> it has a PMU
[02:57] <carajean206> that should fix it i think let me log out and see
[02:57] <ThePyro> thoreauputic: where were we?
[02:57] <Bags2> bob2: Oh?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> ompaul: no, on linux help channels it's always Sunday ;)
[02:57] <Bags2> bob2: What's that?
[02:57] <[Dont-know] > is there anyway that i can create a text file with the computer spec
[02:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, and good morning to you too sir! :)
[02:57] <[Dont-know] > from ubuntu box?
[02:57] <bob2> Bags2: the ppc equivalent of apm and acpi
[02:58] <Bags2> bob2: How do I invoke the application for management?
[02:58] <ompaul> whenever you join it is morning, whenever you leave it is evening, and whenever you are there is it Sunday
[02:58] <bob2> Bags2: you don't
[02:58] <bob2> the battery not recharging sounds very very very bad
[02:58] <Bags2> bob2: Well, it is...
[02:59] <Bags2> bob2: Everything else is peachy keen.
[02:59] <bob2> you're still being too vague, tho
[02:59] <Bags2> bob2: I'm sorry. I'm trying.
[02:59] <bob2> do you mean "the battery doesn't rechrage when I'm running ubuntu" or "the battery doesn't recharge at all, even when the machine is off" or ...
[02:59] <No1Viking> How do I change the quit message in x-chat?
[02:59] <Wilf> settings>preferences
[02:59] <Bags2> bob2: It won't recharge at all, even when off.
[02:59] <ThePyromaniac> so are you guys (bob2 and thoreauputic) in a support position or just nice helpers?
[03:00] <Wilf> general, No1Viking
[03:00] <Bags2> bob2: Worked fine under OSX.
[03:00] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: I'm just a sucker for punishment ;)
[03:00] <bob2> Bags2: worked?
[03:00] <xet7> Hmm, startup screen of EMC2 was cool, but mouse etc didn't move anymore, had to reboot and irc with other pc
[03:00] <ThePyromaniac> haha, fair enough
[03:00] <No1Viking> Thanks Wilf
[03:00] <Bags2> bob2: 4 hours of charge in a session.
[03:00] <ompaul> No1Viking, you can have a lokok at settings perferences chatting general
[03:00] <bob2> ok, nevermind then
[03:00] <Mayday> evolution question: how do i save new typ of searches in the search-box above the messagelisting?
[03:00] <ThePyromaniac> i used to be a support guy on http://pnphpbb.com and own http://pnphpbbhacks.com but im just far too lazy
[03:00] <carajean206> ok that module thing didnt work i got a few new errors
[03:00] <xet7> is there something wrong with cvs version of emc2?
[03:01] <gnorr> how do i map my windows-key to activate the menu's so i don't need to touch my mouse?
[03:01] <carajean206> failed to load the nvidia kernal module!
[03:01] <carajean206> screens found but none have a usable configuration
[03:01] <ThePyromaniac> thoreauputic: whats the name of that package i needed to download?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: err.. from memory xlibs-dev
[03:02] <carajean206> is there a way to work with the kernal fail to load cause i think if that loads i will be alright i hope
[03:02] <ThePyromaniac> aha, thanks
[03:02] <ThePyromaniac> oh and please pretend to be inpressed about the links i showed you :p
[03:02] <bob2> carajean206: can you rephrase that whole sentence?
[03:02] <carajean206> which one? lol
[03:02] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac:  sudo apt-get install apt-howto  <----- sorry
[03:02] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:02] <bob2> let's start with the last one
[03:03] <carajean206> ok i guess i need just to find a way to load the nvidia kernal or the right one
[03:03] <carajean206> cause it says it failed to load
[03:03] <ThePyromaniac> anyone here play WoW?
[03:03] <Bags2> bob2: Do you think I need to reinstall Ubuntu?
[03:03] <carajean206> yeah i do
[03:03] <ThePyromaniac> cool, play it on linux?
[03:03] <carajean206> and i have it installed on linux WOOT
[03:03] <bob2> Bags2: no
[03:03] <ThePyromaniac> how :D
[03:03] <Geist|Patrick> moin
[03:03] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[03:03] <ThePyromaniac> wine or that other program?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: amazed by the links, dude  ( interpret as you will ;) )
[03:03] <carajean206> i would but after i installed i forgot where i installed it
[03:03] <DECA> hai
[03:04] <carajean206> so i will reinstall and make note of where it is
[03:04] <ThePyromaniac> why thank you, would be better if the second link handnt been hacked and badwidth raped
[03:04] <xet7> are there debs for emc2?
[03:04] <g|patrick> are there universe sources for amarok 1.3?
[03:04] <apokryphos> g|patrick: you can search and discover that yourself
[03:04] <bob2> so
[03:04] <carajean206> bob2 any idea what my prob is for this nvidia thing?
[03:04] <bob2> universe isn't some random dumping ground
[03:04] <bob2> if something is in main, it's not in universe
[03:05] <g|patrick> in my synaptic there are none
[03:05] <bob2> (in the same version of ubuntu)
[03:05] <Kyral> g|patrick, I just checked the Breezy Sources
[03:05] <Kyral> nothing
[03:05] <bob2> carajean206: I have not understood the last 3 statements you've made about your problem
[03:05] <Determinist> grrr, i hate IE only pages :/
[03:05] <g|patrick> weired
[03:05] <Kyral> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/amarok
[03:05] <Bags2> bob2: Any suggestions?
[03:05] <Kyral> its at 1.2.4
[03:05] <carajean206> ok i think i might no how to do it hold on
[03:05] <bob2> Bags2: I still don't understand what the problem is
[03:05] <bob2> you haven't explained when it charges and when it does not
[03:05] <Determinist> is there any way you guys know of i can use to run IE from hoary? my bank's website is IE only and i'm kinda fubared
[03:05] <g|patrick> Kyral: thats the link from amarok.kde.org
[03:05] <ttj> I need an installer with a kernel that includes the ahci module. For some reason, it's not included either in hoary or breezy.
[03:05] <apokryphos> There's a deb on the forum for 1.3 for the really lazy people
[03:05] <g|patrick> i know
[03:06] <g|patrick> really?
[03:06] <bob2> be careful running random .debs from the forums
[03:06] <bob2> whatever random person that made them has root on your machine
[03:06] <bob2> and could install whatever rootkit they feel like
[03:06] <bob2> etc
[03:06] <apokryphos> !amarok1.3
[03:06] <ubotu> amarok1.3 is, like, at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54
[03:06] <Bags2> bob2: It's really simple. Before I installed Ubuntu, the battery would charge, system on or off, since installing Ubuntu, the battery will not charge. It's slowly trickling down it's charge and won't charge up again.
[03:07] <g|patrick> and i have a problem with grub
[03:07] <g|patrick> i cant get a splashscreen
[03:07] <bob2> Bags2: it doesn't charge at all, ever, even when running mac os x?
[03:07] <g|patrick> if i try so, the output is currupted
[03:07] <ThePyromaniac> methinks the ubuntu crew should make a nice little Windows Update clone instead of this commandl ine malarky, heh
[03:07] <Bags2> bob2: If I try booting off the battery, it won't even come up.
[03:07] <Kyral> g|patrick, I'd put a request on the Backports forums
[03:07] <ttj> ThePyromaniac: Try Synaptic
[03:07] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: yeah, they could call it update-notifier
[03:07] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: and install and run it by default
[03:07] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: hint: already done ;)
[03:07] <Kyral> I only trust random-debs from the BackPorts Project
[03:07] <ThePyromaniac> synaptic ey? hmmm
[03:07] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: erm - have you heard of synaptic?
[03:08] <osfameron> The update notifier isn't particularly intrusive
[03:08] <osfameron> unlike the Windows one
[03:08] <Bags2> bob2: I don't have a dual boot, but I can try to boot of my OSX system DVD... Should I try that?
[03:08] <azazel_> hi all!
[03:08] <ThePyromaniac> well im sorry! i hear about kubuntu 2 days ago, installed it at 3 this morning and configured it about 2 hrs ago
[03:08] <ThePyromaniac> so ssh and leave me alone :'(
[03:08] <ttj> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu... I need an installer with a kernel that includes the ahci module. For some reason, it's not included either in hoary or breezy, but the driver seems to be included in the standard kernels in apt. This is just too weird :/
[03:08] <bob2> Bags2: guess so
[03:08] <bob2> Bags2: but do file a bug
[03:08] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: you poor misunderstood person, you ;)
[03:09] <bob2> ttj: it's part of the hoary kernel
[03:09] <bob2> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.ko
[03:09] <ttj> bob2: well, no.
[03:09] <ttj> it's not there.
[03:09] <ttj> seriously.
[03:09] <Bags2> bob2: I'm still not convinced I haven't done something stupid. I'm pretty green with this Linux thing...
[03:09] <bob2> ttj: well, it is
[03:09] <ttj> bob2: how come I can't find it then? I've tried using both the CD and netinstall
[03:09] <bob2> ttj: perhaps it's not part of the installation kernel
[03:09] <ttj> bob2: exactly
[03:10] <ttj> how do I fix that? :)
[03:10] <Ng> shouldn't they be the same?
[03:10] <Bags2> bob2: Going to sign in with my other machine.
[03:10] <bob2> ttj: you looked from a vt during the install?
[03:10] <ttj> bob2: yep
[03:10] <bob2> Bags2: I can't imagine how you could break that
[03:10] <Bags2> bob2: brb
[03:10] <ThePyromaniac> so... how would i go about installing synaptic? apt-get again?
[03:10] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: you already have it
[03:10] <ttj> ThePyromaniac: should be installed already
[03:10] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: system -> admin -> synaptic
[03:10] <ThePyromaniac> i do? how do i activate it? heh
[03:10] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac:  /join #ubuntu-counselling
[03:10] <ThePyromaniac> sarcastic sone of a ...
[03:10] <thoreauputic> heheh
[03:11] <ThePyromaniac> heh, todayi just cant seem to spell :p
[03:11] <bob2> the kernels are the same, afaik
[03:11] <wickedpuppy> ThePyromaniac, can you try first ? then ask if you got problem ?
[03:11] <ttj> bob2: it's still not there, heh
[03:11] <ThePyromaniac> is synaptic a gnome of ubuntu thing? cause im using kubuntu n kde so i dont have that
[03:11] <carajean206> ok guys i went through the nvidia installer again it says to change to run lvl 3 how can i do that?
[03:11] <bob2> carajean206: dude
[03:11] <ThePyromaniac> wickedpuppy: a good idea, but i do have the problem, i dont know HOW to try ;)
[03:12] <bob2> carajean206: you're reading broken documentation again
[03:12] <wickedpuppy> ThePyromaniac, he told ya ... ThePyromaniac: system -> admin -> synaptic
[03:12] <carajean206> im not reading any im just following the installer
[03:12] <bob2> ThePyromaniac: yes it's a gnoem thing
[03:12] <ThePyromaniac> wickedpuppy: told you so :p
[03:12] <bob2> kde presumably has some clone that starts with k
[03:12] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: ah OK - sudo apt-get install synaptic or use kynaptic (not as good)
[03:12] <bob2> carajean206: then don't use that
[03:12] <i386> hmm
[03:12] <ifr> Hi, can anyone have a quick look at a ssh key problem I am having? I've got the config all set and keychain going but server's not letting me play without a password. Pertinent info at http://rafb.net/paste/results/olCO8W58.html
[03:12] <bob2> carajean206: I'm not sure where that wiki page suggested downloading the nvidia installer yourself
[03:12] <i386> is anyones pkg-config not happening in breezy ?
[03:12] <wickedpuppy> if it isn't there ... blame him :P
[03:13] <thoreauputic> bob2: yeah kynaptic, but I hear it's a brain-damaged
[03:13] <{cYanide}> is there a way to force a program to quit, somethings totally hanged up but wont close
[03:13] <carajean206> it didnt nvidia did the wiki page is not working for me for some reason
[03:13] <i386> {cYanide}, yes
[03:13] <carajean206> so i went straight to the source
[03:13] <i386> there is a panel applet
[03:13] <i386> "force quit"
[03:13] <osfameron> isn't there a shortcut key for that?
[03:13] <bob2> carajean206: that's a bad idea
[03:13] <wickedpuppy> ... carajean206 i also got the binary from nvidia.com and installed it without any problem ...
[03:13] <osfameron> it's annoying to have a contral panel applet for force quite
[03:14] <carajean206> yeah i wish i could say the same
[03:14] <bob2> hm, good point
[03:14] <wickedpuppy> all i did was installed the binary ... and changed one word in xorg.conf
[03:14] <thoreauputic> 'night all....
[03:14] <ThePyromaniac> another question, alot of the apt-get things just sit there when done. whilst im not expecting a "Create Desktop Icon" option like windows, i would like some way to use the program
[03:14] <wickedpuppy> and reboot ... then voila! its there
[03:14] <ThePyromaniac> dont go, who will help me? heh
[03:14] <ttj> bob2: any suggestions on how to solve this?
[03:15] <wickedpuppy> ThePyromaniac, try typing the name ...
[03:15] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: someone less sarcastic, no doubt :)
[03:15] <carajean206> i think they are conflicting cause i have already installed the nvidia drivers before i even knew what that binary stuff was
[03:15] <ThePyromaniac> hopefully, swine :p
[03:15] <ThePyromaniac> hopefully i'll cya around
[03:15] <wickedpuppy> for example ... if you just installed synaptic ... type synaptic ... usually it will work
[03:15] <ThePyromaniac> really? cool
[03:15] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: have fun :)
[03:15] <carajean206> so i think the binary ones are different from the new ones
[03:15] <carajean206> what ones does the binary install?
[03:16] <ThePyromaniac> although you are in a way helping me, and you do seem to know your stuff there really is no reason for this level of sarcasm
[03:16] <g|patrick> bob2: synaptic and gnome support that
[03:16] <ThePyromaniac> thanks again though
[03:16] <Determinist> anyone here who knows how to get IE working on hoary? please?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: please don't take me seriously
[03:16] <wickedpuppy> Determinist, use wine or crossover
[03:16] <bob2> Determinist: www.codeweavers.com. have your credit card ready
[03:16] <carajean206> can someone just tell me how to switch run lvls?
[03:16] <osfameron> Determinist, in theory winetools should do it
[03:16] <ThePyromaniac> thoreauputic: i wasnt talking about you ;)
[03:16] <bob2> carajean206: no
[03:16] <Determinist> bob2, i like people like you.
[03:16] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: oh... OK :)
[03:16] <carajean206> im gonna try the nvidia stuff i have no other option
[03:17] <Arnia> Does anyone know what's happened to pkg-config? It seems to have gone very awry
[03:17] <osfameron> Determinist, can't say I've had any luck, but try on #winehq, they're quite helpful
[03:17] <ThePyromaniac> *cough*wickedpuppy*cough*
[03:17] <bob2> carajean206: because a) it won't help b) the instructions are broken c) why do you think this will work?
[03:17] <bob2> Determinist: sarcasm?
[03:17] <Determinist> osfameron, thanks
[03:17] <carajean206> cause nothing else has
[03:17] <Determinist> bob2, i'm affraid
[03:17] <osfameron> I'm seriously thinking about Crossover despite the $$$
[03:17] <godim> I want photos of ubunto, somebody can send me?
[03:17] <bob2> Determinist: er, ok, I was quite serious.  crossover is the only wine that actually claims to support IE reliabily.
[03:17] <godim> please
[03:18] <bob2> [Dont-know] : please turn that off
[03:18] <g|patrick> can i install debian.debs for amarok within ubuntu
[03:18] <g|patrick> or will that cause broblems?
[03:18] <bob2> godim: you could not find a single screenshot with google?
[03:18] <wickedpuppy> Determinist, i am using crossover now ... its good enough for itunes and IE
[03:18] <bob2> g|patrick: ay or may not work
[03:18] <g|patrick> crap :/
[03:18] <Determinist> bob2, mate, i just need one page to work, could care less about IE. i just need my bank page available from hoary so i wouldnt have to log into that disgusting XP thing twice a day :/
[03:18] <icewt> godim, ubuntu doesn't really look different than other distros
[03:18] <Determinist> wickedpuppy, thanks
[03:18] <godim> I did not find!
[03:18] <bob2> Determinist: ok, I'm not sure what you want me to say then
[03:18] <godim> [bob2] : I did not find!
[03:19] <g|patrick> icewt: its not ubuntu that makes the look
[03:19] <g|patrick> thats the windowmanager
[03:19] <Jowi> hi all
[03:19] <g|patrick> kde, gnome, xfce, fluxbox, etc.
[03:19] <Determinist> bob2, just play nice, i suppose :)
[03:19] <bob2> all 3 of my banks work fine
[03:19] <icewt> g|patrick, well, that's what i was kinda trying to say :)
[03:19] <bob2> and I didn't even check before signing up
[03:19] <godim> thank u :)
[03:20] <Jowi> is evms and lvm needed at startup? i use standard ide disk partitioned with only /home on different partition.
[03:20] <bob2> Jowi: you can kill them then
[03:20] <Determinist> bob2, i wish it was like that with mine. over here MS products are the only product that fully supports hebrew display, hence the monopoly (which is probably worse than other countries)
[03:20] <Jowi> bob2, thanks for the quick answer!
[03:20] <ttj> bob2: no tips then I gather? well, thanks anyway :-)
[03:20] <Trackilizer> i know this has probably been asked alot but whats the best GUI for linux?
[03:20] <bob2> Determinist: ah
[03:21] <ttj> Trackilizer: whatever your eyes desire.
[03:21] <bob2> RemoteViewer: there isn't one, use whatever *you* like
[03:21] <onkarshinde> I want to take new dsl connection and use it on Ubuntu. Can anyone guide me about configuration. I am sure my ISP has never heard of linux
[03:21] <bob2> any discussion about best is inherently a waste of everyone's time
[03:21] <g|patrick> icewt: i hope thats was not insulting :/
[03:21] <g|patrick> i misunderstood :(
[03:21] <bob2> onkarshinde: let your modem handle it, tell it to NAT the connection for you
[03:21] <Trackilizer> i see
[03:21] <g|patrick> btw. can someexplain the procedure of ubuntu, adding new sources?
[03:21] <bob2> ttj: no, sorry; you could copy it from an installed machgine, tho
[03:21] <Jowi> bob2, how about ppp-dns? i use only standard ethernet to router approach? :-)
[03:21] <icewt> g|patrick, heh, no problem
[03:22] <Trackilizer> in that case ill just still to gnome
[03:22] <g|patrick> :)
[03:22] <Gog> anyone recommend a good intelligent raid 5 card suported in ubunut?
[03:22] <Gog> er ubuntu too
[03:22] <ttj> bob2: hmm... during install or do you mean copy ahci.ko and insmod it?
[03:22] <six2one> 3ware works
[03:22] <bob2> Jowi: drop it
[03:22] <brenner> ubotu: tell g|patrick about repos
[03:22] <{Seb}> has anyone had any success with bluetooth in hoary?
[03:22] <tyler__> hello
[03:22] <{Seb}> i can't seem to get it working
[03:22] <ttj> {Seb}: yes
[03:22] <bob2> ttj: modprobe it during install, yeah
[03:22] <Determinist> wickedpuppy, ok, explain what's crossover and how i can get it installed...
[03:22] <{Seb}> when i run gnome-obex-server
[03:22] <Determinist> wickedpuppy, please :)
[03:22] <Gog> six2one: ta
[03:22] <reiki_work> onkarshinde: dsl is always on? You have a dsl "modem"? You should have a WAN sid and a LAN side. Just connect Ubuntu box to DSL modem and leave it in DHCP. If you have a router you'd be better protected though
[03:22] <wickedpuppy> Determinist, why not see the website ?
[03:22] <{Seb}> my Palm and Mobile stil can't find the laptop
[03:22] <Jowi> bob2, so it's only usable for serial links i guess
[03:22] <Determinist> wickedpuppy, which?
[03:22] <ttj> bob2: yeah, but I mean, where would I get it from? is there a way to copy stuff from another machine in a vt during install?
[03:22] <{Seb}> i have the gnome-bluetooth package installed
[03:22] <{Seb}> any ideas?
[03:22] <bob2> Gog: I hear megaraid-based ones work well, and probably the symbios ones, too
[03:22] <tyler__> how can i  descative my sound tarjet
[03:22] <tyler__> ??
[03:23] <bob2> ttj: the installer has wget
[03:23] <wickedpuppy> Determinist: www.codeweavers.com. have your credit card ready
[03:23] <ttj> bob2: oh, nice
[03:23] <Gog> bob2: cheers, I'll have a look
[03:23] <ttj> bob2: I'll try that, thanks
[03:23] <wickedpuppy> thats what bob2 told ya
[03:23] <g|patrick> now u misunderstood me
[03:23] <Determinist> wickedpuppy, great :P
[03:23] <{Seb}> ttj: with a mobile?
[03:23] <{Seb}> ttj: with gnome-bluetooth?
[03:23] <g|patrick> my intention was to ask, how the ubuntu community supplies updates
[03:23] <ttj> {Seb}: yes
[03:23] <g|patrick> e.g. amarok 1.3 in my case
[03:23] <bob2> ttj: well, a crippled busybox wget, but it'l be enough
[03:23] <g|patrick> :)
[03:23] <{Seb}> ttj: how?
[03:23] <{Seb}> ttj: am I missing something?
[03:23] <billyboy> hello
[03:23] <bob2> g|patrick: it gets updated in the development branch
[03:23] <billyboy> i need help
[03:23] <brenner> g|patrick: oh, sorry.....just joined the channel :)
[03:23] <ttj> {Seb}: I just enabled bluetooth, worked fine, what are you trying to d
[03:24] <ttj> ?
[03:24] <g|patrick> well then...
[03:24] <g|patrick> i still dont understand what will done
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> billyboy, ask
[03:24] <billyboy> after instalation of ubuntu i have lost my secon partition NTFS abaut 30Gb..
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> billyboy, did you wiped out the whole harddisk ?
[03:25] <billyboy> i tried so hard do get ir back
[03:25] <billyboy> but nothing works
[03:25] <ThePyromaniac> how can i read from a ntfs hard disk?
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> !ntfs
[03:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[03:25] <bob2> billyboy: did you wipe the disk?
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> billyboy, when you installed did you use the whole harddisk ?
[03:25] <onkarshinde> bob2: reiki_work: I am in India. I have never used DSL before. Just want to make sure that I won't have any problem configuring it on Ubuntu.
[03:25] <billyboy> what is wipe.?
[03:25] <njan> ThePyromaniac, look at the hard disk, focus your eyes on it, and use your brain to interpret the letters on the label of the top of the hard disk. You may need to remove it from the case first :p
[03:26] <wickedpuppy> wipe out ... meaning ... destroyed ..
[03:26] <ThePyromaniac> so THAT is where im going wrong
[03:26] <billyboy> english is not very vell for me
[03:26] <buti> where do i find the msttcorefonts package
[03:26] <billyboy> no
[03:26] <bob2> billyboy: what's your native language?
[03:26] <billyboy> Latvian
[03:26] <bob2> buti: in the multiverse repository
[03:26] <wickedpuppy> buti, its in multiverse
[03:26] <bob2> onkarshinde: it's pretty simple if your modem does all the hard work for you
[03:26] <njan> ThePyromaniac, mount it with type ntfs, and *definitely* read-only. mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/point -t ntfs -o ro
[03:26] <buti> and what's the multiverse deb-url?
[03:27] <ThePyromaniac> thanks, will try
[03:27] <wickedpuppy> !repositories
[03:27] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:27] <wickedpuppy> buti pls read that link
[03:27] <reiki_work> onkarshinde: I'm not familiar with any differences in how DSL might work in India. I think you'll be fine with a default installation of Ubuntu. It defaults to DHCP which is how most DSL modems are set up.
[03:27] <buti> thanks
[03:28] <ThePyromaniac> what does it mean KDE Mediamanager is not running? how do i make it run? i just clicked onto media:/
[03:28] <onkarshinde> Thanks for your replies
[03:28] <billyboy> ;)
[03:28] <brenner> wickedpuppy: FYI you can use the 'repos' trigger :)
[03:28] <ThePyromaniac> njan: help heh
[03:28] <Riddell-awa> ThePyromaniac: run kded
[03:29] <tyler__> to desactive 1 of 2 sound tarjec
[03:29] <ThePyromaniac> thanks :D
[03:29] <tyler__> how i do??
[03:29] <tyler__> /etc/modules????
[03:29] <bob2> "tarjec"?
[03:29] <Dr_Melectaus> Could someone tell me what i would have to install to get windows media files to work, or work in firefox?
[03:29] <ThePyromaniac> Could not mount device.
[03:29] <ThePyromaniac> The reported error was:
[03:29] <ThePyromaniac> mount: can't find /dev/hda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:30] <emihatov> bob2: I could boot off my Nortons OS9 CD, but there's no way to check to see if the battery's charging there.
[03:30] <njan> ThePyromaniac, what command are you typing in
[03:30] <emihatov> bob2: I'll try some other things now. OS8.something,
[03:30] <ThePyromaniac> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/point -t ntfs -o ro
[03:30] <tyler__> my soundblaster
[03:30] <onkarshinde> One more question. My dad is going to use HP NX 6120 laptop which has XP installed (OEM) and only one large 60 GB partition. How can i resize the partition to install Ubuntu?
[03:30] <tyler__> :)
[03:31] <ttj> bob2: I'm getting "invalid module format" when trying to insmod the module, any tips?
[03:31] <brenner> Dr_Melectaus: to work, you'll need to install the codecs, to work in firefox, you'll need to install both codecs and the plugin
[03:31] <Sirius^> Where can i found de new Version of LIBC6 please ?
[03:31] <tyler__> bob2
[03:31] <brenner> onkarshinde: you can reinstall during the install process
[03:31] <tyler__> to descativate 1 of 2 audio controller
[03:31] <tyler__> ??
[03:31] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: final message: if it's ntfs it is almost certainly /dev/hda1
[03:32] <carajean206> hey guys is there anyway to undo all that nvidia stuff i just did or will i have to reinstall ubuntu?
[03:32] <ThePyromaniac> i have many harddisks, in properties it says hda2
[03:32] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  use "sudo fdisk -l"
[03:32] <vader1102> kemik; what does the -l switch do?
[03:33] <ThePyromaniac> /dev/hda1               1         403     3237066   12  Compaq diagnostics
[03:33] <ThePyromaniac> /dev/hda2   *         404        4865    35841015    7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:33] <kemik> vader1102:  use it and see, won't break anything
[03:33] <vader1102> k
[03:33] <hardw1re> whats the command to bring up the proccess list?
[03:33] <brenner> onkarshinde: *resize
[03:33] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  dont make it practice to paste in here
[03:33] <wickedpuppy> hardw1re, top
[03:34] <ThePyromaniac> hehe, well it tells you what i see
[03:34] <wickedpuppy> wait .. ps
[03:34] <wickedpuppy> lol
[03:34] <barongas> ps aux
[03:34] <ThePyromaniac> what do i do from here? :S
[03:34] <carajean206> ok here goes the 5th reinstall of ubuntu this is getting crazy
[03:34] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  and "sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda2 /mnt/Whateverdiryouhave" does not work ?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: bleh, some stupid backup thing on hda1 evidently
[03:34] <billyboy> i need to see my  hda5 NTFS  ..
[03:34] <hardw1re> teamspeak has crashed on quit :(
[03:34] <kemik> thoreauputic:  quite common on them dells/compaqs/Hps/whatevershitbrandyouwnat ;)
[03:35] <thoreauputic> kemik: yeah
[03:35] <vader1102> kemik, excellent, I will have to remember that one
[03:35] <brenner> onkarshinde: [1]  select 'manually edit the partition table' [2]  highlight the NTFS partition and press enter [3]  highlight the size field and press enter [4]  enter a new size, and apply change  [5]  partition the newly freed space as you wish
[03:35] <kemik> vader1102:  mmh, its a good swithc ;)
[03:36] <vader1102> I think so lol
[03:36] <Tadej> hi ppl
[03:36] <onkarshinde> brenner: Thanks.
[03:36] <Tadej> I have a problem with skype
[03:36] <Tadej> I see what others write to me but when I write back nothing happens...
[03:37] <brenner> billyboy: you can use this program to mount your windows partitions: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[03:37] <ThePyromaniac> that doesnt work for me :(
[03:37] <Jowi> Tadej, first time i've heard of that problem. if you are using firestarter (firewall) try to disable it maybe.
[03:37] <billyboy> brenner i tray
[03:37] <billyboy> thnx
[03:37] <ThePyromaniac> still same error :(
[03:37] <emihatov> bob2: Bugger it. I'm going to bed.
[03:37] <ThePyromaniac> and i cant seem to talk
[03:37] <Dr_Melectaus> brenner: which codecs, and which plugin
[03:37] <ThePyromaniac> there we go
[03:38] <Jowi> Tadej, did you install the skype .deb file from skype.com or some other package?
[03:39] <brenner> Dr_Melectaus: w32codecs (it's in hoary-extras), mozilla-mplayer for the plugin (multiverse)
[03:40] <carajean206> before i install again can someone tell me how to switch run levels
[03:40] <ttj> bob2: can I download the ahci.ko module from the standard ubuntu kernel from somewhere?
[03:40] <carajean206> ?
[03:41] <Jowi> carajean206, "telinit"
[03:41] <brenner> carajean206: what nvidia stuff borked your install?
[03:41] <carajean206> its not nvidia i dotn think
[03:41] <carajean206> to tell the truth i dotn know what it is nothing seems to work
[03:41] <hussam> anybody here uses inkscape?
[03:41] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  got it working?
 hey guys is there anyway to undo all that nvidia stuff i just did or will i have to reinstall ubuntu?
[03:41] <kemik> !ntfs
[03:41] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[03:41] <brenner> :)
[03:41] <kemik> see that link ThePyromaniac
[03:42] <brenner> carajean206: then what probs are you having?
[03:42] <carajean206> well where to begin:  i try every guide and i still get booted to console
[03:42] <carajean206> no matter what the only way to get back to the gui is turn "nvidia" back to "nv"
[03:42] <tombs> hi ppl
[03:43] <brenner> carajean206: xorg log giving any useful info?
[03:43] <carajean206> dont know how to get there didnt write down the path when i got the errors
[03:44] <ThePyromaniac> kemik: that sounds promising
[03:44] <carajean206> i just want uptodate drivers to play my games
[03:44] <buti> i have added deb "http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted"
[03:44] <buti> but i still can't find msttcorefonts
[03:44] <buti> :-/
[03:44] <brenner> ubotu: forget ntfs
[03:44] <ubotu> i forgot ntfs, brenner
[03:44] <carajean206> brenner do u know the command to get there?
[03:45] <buti> !msttcorefonts
[03:45] <ubotu> buti: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:45] <Jowi> buti, did you run "apt-get update"?
[03:45] <buti> yes
[03:45] <brenner> ubotu: ntfs is (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this:http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[03:45] <ubotu> okay, brenner
[03:45] <brenner> argh
[03:46] <Jowi> buti, the package should be in deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:46] <vader1102> is it possible to make a bootable floppy for an Ubuntu install?
[03:46] <buti> Jowi: thanks
[03:46] <Jowi> buti, here's what i found: Filename: pool/multiverse/m/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts_1.2ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:47] <carajean206> thanks guys but i think reinstalling is the only thing thats gonna help
[03:47] <brenner> carajean206: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log iirc
[03:47] <buti> Jowi: thanks, it works!
[03:47] <Determinist> erm, how can i remove the ATI drivers i've installed?
[03:47] <Jowi> buti, you're welcome
[03:47] <brenner> carajean206: iirc, you should be looking for lines starting with (WW) and (EE)
[03:47] <Determinist> it was a .sh file...
[03:48] <ThePyromaniac> nice one, i have NTFS working like a charm
[03:48] <ttj> does anyone have ubuntus 2.6.10-5-386 kernel installed? I need a kernel module from it..
[03:50] <oceandead> ok - i have one major problem with breezy - whats with the alert/text box under the update notifier? brings back nightmares of "clippy"
[03:50] <Digis> I have problem with breezy too, gnome-panel craches a lot
[03:51] <carajean206> yeah i saw a lot of lines with WW but none with EE
[03:51] <oceandead> i know one click will stop it forever - but i got scared when i saw it "oh dear god, not again!"
[03:51] <No1Viking> Are there any SSH Daemon installed in Ubuntu?
[03:51] <chrissturm> Digis, and when its not crashing it eats 100% cpu
[03:51] <g|patrick> which are the java5 sources
[03:51] <g|patrick> 1.5?
[03:51] <sambagirl> does real player work for linux and mozilla?
[03:51] <oceandead> yeah theyre still working on a lot of things and parts of gnome i believe are from the upstream version(s)
[03:52] <brenner> carajean206: the warnings saying anything significant?
[03:52] <Digis> chrissturm, yes :), cpu also :)
[03:52] <oceandead> i dont use realplayer, but there are versions of it available yeah
[03:52] <Jowi> No1Viking, you need to install openssh-server package
[03:52] <brenner> sambagirl: standalone realplayer works fine....i hvan't used a rm plugin to be honest
[03:52] <No1Viking> OK
[03:52] <sambagirl> thank you
[03:53] <Arnia> sambagirl: The BBC website has good instructions
[03:53] <Jowi> No1Viking, openssh-client is nice to have as well
[03:53] <Arnia> (for getting the plugin working)
[03:53] <kahuna_> Hi, Is there a way to run the update-notification applet in XFCE?
[03:54] <brenner> g|patrick: afaik, yes:
[03:54] <brenner> !java
[03:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:54] <No1Viking> thanks Jowi
[03:55] <oceandead> im not sure about the panel applet - but i know gaim and firestarter show up - try running update-notifier see what happens ;)
[03:55] <ThePyromaniac> nothing but problems today, stil ltrying to install kftpgrabber and now i have this problem checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found.
[03:56] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  maybe you should try #kubuntu
[03:56] <kemik> !tell kemik about ntfs
[03:56] <ThePyromaniac> there is never anyone there
[03:56] <ThePyromaniac> :(
[03:56] <kevor> !tell kevor about ntfs
[03:56] <saamiaa> :(
[03:56] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  you should use Ubuntu / gnome instead ;)
[03:56] <ThePyromaniac> ooo, many there now :D
[03:57] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  it's a SIGN!
[03:57] <ThePyromaniac> thanks. and i was considering it, heh
[03:57] <g|patrick> brenner: thx
[03:57] <ThePyromaniac> bye then, i can tell when im not wanted! :'(
[03:57] <chrissturm> ThePyromaniac, do you have qt -dev packages installed?
[03:57] <g|patrick> btw. u should add azureus 2.3.0. >>4<< to deb
[03:57] <ThePyromaniac> i honestly wouldnt know
[03:57] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  but i'm guessing you need some sort of QT-dev libs
[03:57] <ThePyromaniac> me too, but i dont understnad this stuff
[03:58] <spike> hi there
[03:58] <Seveas> hi spike
[03:58] <Jowi> ThePyromaniac, i have libqt3-compat-headers and libqt3-headers installed that seems to be all i need
[03:58] <jeffguy> Could anyone tell me how well ubuntu works under vmware?
[03:58] <markrian> Fine, most likely
[03:58] <ThePyromaniac> thank you, i will try to get them
[03:59] <Sirius^> Where can i found the last version of LIBC6 please
[03:59] <Sirius^> ..
[03:59] <jeffguy> Are the ubuntu guys going to port any of the nice python fedora config tools over?
[04:01] <Jowi> ThePyromaniac, you might need libqt3-dev and libqt3-mt-dev as well but it depends of what you are trying to compile and you really should have a look at that apps documentation.
[04:01] <ThePyromaniac> yes i am downloading them now thank you :D
[04:01] <markrian> jeffguy, unlikely, GNOME is making its own native tools
[04:03] <jeffguy> markrian: Is there a website I could see about the gnome specific tools?
[04:04] <buti> does apt-cache allow me to show the list of installed files for a single package?
[04:05] <brenner> buti: dpkg -L <package>
[04:06] <buti> ok
[04:06] <ttj> does anyone have ubuntus 2.6.10-5-386 kernel installed? I need a kernel module from it (ahci.ko)
[04:07] <wickedpuppy> anyone having problem with gaim logging on to msn ?
[04:07] <Seveas> wickedpuppy, not anymore
[04:08] <Seveas> but a few hours ago it would not login
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> not anymore as in not anymore problem or not anymore login
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> oh not anymore login
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> ....
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[04:09] <sammie> hey Seveas cheer sfor the help yesterday
[04:09] <Seveas> sammie, yw
[04:09] <sammie> with apaxhe2, just woundering how ubuntu would perform on a older spec laptop
[04:10] <Seveas> what are the specs?
[04:10] <sammie> P3 800mhz 1ghz on external power.... 256sdram basic ac97 onboard sound, S3 graphics
[04:10] <brenner> ok, generic question: i've got 13 upgradeable packages...question is, do i really need to upgrade them? e.g. what really is the difference b/n dpkg 1.10.27ubuntu1 and 1.10.27ubuntu2 ?
[04:11] <sammie> from what ive read i should only have a problem with the S3 graphics
[04:11] <oceandead> oh dear god man that will be fine
[04:11] <wickedpuppy> Seveas, its back
[04:11] <wickedpuppy> :P
[04:11] <Seveas> sammie, specs are good, ubuntu will run nice on it
[04:11] <oceandead> i run ubuntu on a k6-2@400, 192mb ram, 2mb s3virge/mx
[04:12] <brenner> sammie: you might want to run a more lightweight DE if you find gnome sluggish
[04:12] <oceandead> you will be *fine*
[04:12] <sammie> yeh i was thinkin icewm already :)
[04:12] <Seveas> gnome will work too :)
[04:12] <hot_boyy> anybody who can tell me if there is a yahoo compatible messenger with stealth settings feature.....
[04:12] <brenner> sammie: ah, i have fond memories of it. :)
[04:12] <oceandead> yep gnome works here as well, though, xfce is my main de
[04:13] <sammie> we have been playing about with ubuntu at woirk ( when i was asking about apache2 yesterday ) . and now i think i actualy want it on my lapppy
[04:13] <brenner> oceandead: works as in slideshow works? ;)
[04:13] <sammie> as ive already stuck it on my desktop pc :)
[04:13] <g|patrick> hi...
[04:13] <Seveas> hehe, Ubuntu is like a virus
[04:13] <g|patrick> i have a problem...
[04:13] <Seveas> it's spreading fast ;)
[04:13] <g|patrick> azurues and its ports
[04:13] <g|patrick> how to open ports?
[04:14] <g|patrick> i have no firewall running
[04:14] <g|patrick> no router
[04:14] <XandriX> is there a bleeding edge ubuntu cuz i know like on other distros there is debian unstable and slackware -current
[04:14] <g|patrick> but the port is cloesed
[04:14] <Seveas> than all ports are open
[04:14] <sammie> indeed, i know a couple of the other employees now use it too
[04:14] <Seveas> XandriX, that will be Grumpy Groundhog
[04:14] <Seveas> it's still in specification/design phase
[04:14] <XandriX> aaa ok thx
[04:14] <Jowi> g|patrick, if you have no firewall then no ports are closed
[04:14] <XandriX> Seveas, when will it be out ?
[04:14] <Seveas> no idea
[04:15] <brenner> gee, it's getting close to october :)
[04:15] <Seveas> not before breezy
[04:15] <Kyral> I thought Grumpy was Ubuntu's equiv of Testing?
[04:15] <sammie> i also like the naming scheme behind it rather unusual
[04:15] <Kyral> or Sid?
[04:15] <ivoks> grumble...
[04:15] <Seveas> Kyral, it will be
[04:15] <Seveas> but it's not there yet
[04:15] <Kyral> ah
[04:16] <Kyral> I need some JA...
[04:16] <ivoks> Kyral: wait untill breezy gets out first :)
[04:16] <hot_boyy>  is there a yahoo compatible messenger with stealth settings feature.....
[04:16] <Kyral> ivoks, I meant that its the "always testing" version
[04:16] <XandriX> ubuntun likes animal names with adjectives doesnt it ?
[04:16] <Kyral> ie, never going to be released
[04:16] <ivoks> Kyral: no such thing
[04:17] <Kyral> sid :P
[04:17] <ivoks> Kyral: only debian has something like that
[04:17] <ThePyromaniac> anyone know why you cant delete folders in KDE cause it says trash can doesnt accept creating folders
[04:17] <ivoks> well, you can say sid is ubuntu's unstable too :)
[04:18] <bipolar> has anyone gotten monodevelop to work? i'm getting a error about a missing assembly.
[04:18] <bipolar> ** (MonoDevelop:12125): WARNING **: The following assembly referenced from /usr/lib/monodevelop/bin/MonoDevelop.Base.dll could not be loaded:
[04:18] <bipolar>      Assembly:   monodoc    (assemblyref_index=8)
[04:18] <oceandead> breezy will be nice - my only problems (with the fresh install) were the (aforementioned) alert/text box under the update-notifier (nightmares of "clippy") - and i couldnt "make" my rtl8180-sa2400 driver module
[04:18] <oceandead> module(s)
[04:19] <meeep> allu. could anyone help a newb with a (prolly) easy Q when it comes to compile from source?
[04:20] <Seveas> meeep, not if you don't ask the question :)
[04:20] <Seveas> Mez, hi!
[04:20] <Mez> hey Seveas
[04:20] <Mez> now on wireless
[04:20] <meeep> ooh, sorry, but take it would be unneccesary to write, it noone was here :P
[04:20] <meeep> well, here it goes:
[04:20] <Seveas> Mez, lol :)
[04:20] <Mez> just wondering why I'm transferring on 802.11b instead of 802.11g
[04:20] <Seveas> i've been making a few backports lately, interested?
[04:20] <bipolar> looks like a missing dependancy for the monodoc package.
[04:21] <ioboss> hi
[04:21] <Mez> Seveas - I dont have upload rights to official backports
[04:21] <elmago> hi all
[04:21] <Seveas> ah
[04:21] <meeep> as a complete newb, im on my 2 day on ubuntu. tried to install valknut, i come to ./configure when the following shows up:
[04:21] <meeep> checking for xml2-config... no
[04:21] <meeep> checking for libxml - version >= 2.0.0... no
[04:21] <meeep> *** The xml2-config script installed by LIBXML could not be found
[04:21] <meeep> *** If libxml was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[04:21] <meeep> *** your path, or set the XML2_CONFIG environment variable to the
[04:21] <meeep> *** full path to xml2-config.
[04:21] <meeep> configure: error: libxml2 must be installed.
[04:21] <Seveas> meeep, do NOT paste
[04:21] <meeep> :(
[04:21] <Seveas> and install the libxml-dev package
[04:21] <ivoks> meeep: apt-get install valknut
[04:21] <Seveas> yeah, even better
[04:21] <ioboss> i can play video and lissen audio of video or of system but xmms play but i dont lissen audio..
[04:21] <meeep> ooh, thx alot
[04:21] <meeep> :)
[04:21] <Seveas> but it's not called valknut in ubuntu :)
[04:21] <Seveas> !tell meeep about valknut
[04:22] <elmago> i have a problem with my printer
[04:22] <brenner> meeep: avoid installing from source if it's in the repo already...you're just making it hard on yourself. :)
[04:22] <meeep> ooh, sorry, but im totally lost in linux :P thanks for help :D
[04:22] <Seveas> meeep, ubotu should have sent you a message with a hint :)
[04:22] <ioboss>  xmms play but i dont lissen audio.. how i can do??
[04:22] <fourcheeze> I've got a machine with a linksys PCI wi-fi card - I believe it uses the prism2 driver
[04:23] <ioboss> i dont know the problem
[04:23] <meeep> E: couldn't fin the package valknut
[04:23] <fourcheeze> can I get everything I need to get ubuntu using that frm the install disk
[04:23] <Seveas> ioboss: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[04:23] <ivoks> ioboss: mad plugin you need
[04:23] <fourcheeze> or do I need to get another network connection for it?
[04:23] <ioboss> thanks
[04:23] <Mez> !tell mez about backports
[04:23] <Seveas> meeep, look at what ubotu told you
[04:23] <meeep> ooh
[04:23] <ioboss> mad?
[04:23] <Mez> niiice
[04:23] <sammie> ioboss , open xmms and press cntrl + p  select eSound xxx.xxx as your output plugin see if that works
[04:23] <Seveas> ivoks, for xmms you need no plugins...
[04:23] <elmago> ubuntu says, that its configured correct, but if i want to print something the print job goes direktly in the waitting pattern
[04:23] <ioboss> ok.. fatto funge..
[04:24] <ioboss>  :)
[04:24] <Seveas> (not for mp3 at least)
[04:24] <ioboss> but alsa isn't the newest?
[04:24] <ivoks> Seveas: could be, i'm rusty :) didn't help people for couple of months :)
[04:24] <elmago> but my printer doesnt print anything
[04:24] <meeep> seveas, THX alot :D you made my day :D
[04:24] <ivoks> !tell ivoks about valknut
[04:24] <ioboss> ok i have done.. but alsa is not better of all?
[04:24] <Determinist> hmmm, to buy a XFX 6600GT or a X800GT , that is the question
[04:24] <Seveas> ioboss, not in hoary
[04:24] <elmago> could someone help me with this problem?
[04:24] <ice_1963> install cupsys
[04:25] <Ng> Determinist: at the moment nvidia's linux drivers seem to be much better than ati's
[04:25] <ioboss> ok, thanks... :)
[04:25] <ivoks> elmago: what printer?
[04:25] <Determinist> Ng, nuff said then, i was leaning towards the nvidia anyways
[04:25] <gus_> hi
[04:25] <elmago> i try that
[04:25] <oceandead> i heard the new wireless config tool (gui) wont be ready for breezy - if its ready after breezy release, but before next release will we be able to use it on breezy?
[04:25] <Originoo> elmago: try to restart cups
[04:25] <sammie> Seveas what will be replacing esd ?
[04:25] <gus_> what is a good idea to use for WEBMAIL ?
[04:25] <Determinist> well, now i have a radeon9600pro that i have nothing to do with...
[04:25] <ivoks> sammie: polypaudio
[04:26] <oceandead> thunderbird
[04:26] <clem_yeats> gus_ : squirrelmail..
[04:26] <sammie> ivoks , :) x
[04:26] <elmago> how?
[04:26] <clem_yeats> gus_ : there's loads really.
[04:26] <elmago> sorry im a neebie with linux
[04:26] <ivoks> elmago: what model of printer do you have?
[04:27] <elmago> epson stylus color 680
[04:27] <elmago> kde shows it correct
[04:27] <Originoo> elmago: /etc/init.d/cupsys stop && /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[04:27] <gus_> clem_yeats:  I used IMP on horde2 before.. is it not safe enough for warty u think?
[04:27] <g|patrick> weired
[04:27] <Originoo> don't forget sudo
[04:27] <g|patrick> azureus cant call out
[04:27] <cohonen> hey ,, i try to compile a program
[04:27] <cohonen> but i get this error
[04:27] <g|patrick> although in iptables nothing is closed
[04:27] <g|patrick> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 126K packets, 104M bytes)
[04:27] <g|patrick>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[04:27] <g|patrick> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
[04:27] <g|patrick>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[04:27] <g|patrick>     0     0 TCPMSS     tcp  --  any    any     anywhere             anywhere            tcp flags:SYN,RST/SYN tcpmss match 1400:1536 TCPMSS clamp to PMTU
[04:27] <g|patrick> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 107K packets, 7977K bytes)
[04:27] <Seveas> sammie, raw alsa _ dmix
[04:27] <Originoo> lol
[04:27] <g|patrick>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[04:28] <g|patrick> weired
[04:28] <Seveas> FOOL
[04:28] <ivoks> elmago: parallel or usb?
[04:28] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[04:28] <elmago> usb
[04:28] <cohonen> configure error  c++ preprossesor  /lib/cpp  fails sanity check
[04:28] <Seveas> cohonen, install build-essential
[04:28] <cohonen> how do i fix it
[04:28] <cohonen> Seveas, thx
[04:28] <elmago> as i said the printer is found correctly ( i think so ;) )
[04:29] <ivoks> elmago: plug in your printer, open terminal and enter 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[04:29] <Determinist> Seveas, how can i remove the ATI drivers i've installed? i'm getting an nvidia card now and have no use for them
[04:29] <Originoo> elmago: i had same problem under kde, and i've just restarted cupsys
[04:29] <kemik> Seveas:  my DCC-chat bot looks more and more tempting, eh? ;)
[04:29] <Seveas> Determinist, how dd you install them? ATI installer?
[04:29] <elmago> ok i try one moment
[04:29] <Seveas> kemik, not a bit...
[04:29] <kemik> :(
[04:30] <Determinist> Seveas, yes
[04:30] <Seveas> Determinist, then see if it has an uninstall option
[04:30] <Determinist> Seveas, doesnt appear to have one
[04:30] <Seveas> these installers are totally unsupported and cannot be supported
[04:31] <Seveas> If you edit your xorg.conf, it won't be using the drivers anymore, the files will still be there though
[04:31] <Determinist> Seveas, i have mental issues regarding files in my system that are never used :P
[04:31] <Seveas> Determinist, then find out what the installer did and undo it manually...
[04:31] <Determinist> Seveas, i was affraid you might say that :)
[04:32] <meeep> seveas, heres my noobiness again, i installed valknut, but i just cant find the program anywhere? :S
[04:32] <ivoks> meeep: open terminal and type: killall gnome-panel
[04:32] <meeep> ive done that
[04:32] <topyli> Determinist: most probably, when you install your evil nvidia driver, it will overwrite pretty much the same files installed by the evil ati driver :)
[04:32] <meeep> still nothing in program
[04:33] <ivoks> meeep: open term and type valknut
[04:33] <Determinist> topyli, not too sure about that, but can always try i suppose
[04:33] <meeep> ivoks, command not found
[04:33] <elmago> Originoo: i restarted cups as you said, but the problem is still there, when i send a print job my printer stopped emediatly
[04:33] <ivoks> meeep: dcqui-qt
[04:33] <Seveas> s/q/g/
[04:33] <ice_1963> how loung is ubuntu going to be FREE ?????
[04:33] <topyli> meeep: perhaps it's under the old name, dcgui-qt
[04:34] <Seveas> ice_1963, forever.
[04:34] <topyli> ice_1963: always
[04:34] <meeep> whiho. somethings happening. thanks alot :D
[04:34] <ivoks> ice_1963: non-stop
[04:34] <mlopes> hi. is there any how to available on how to install postfix+mailman?
[04:34] <hopeng> my laptop installed with ubuntu, but cannot be shutdowned, how to fix ?
[04:34] <Originoo> elmago: check if the printer runs correctly and you use the corrcet driver by going to http://localhost:631 or using kcontrol
[04:34] <brenner> ice_1963: till the end of time
[04:34] <Kyral|AFK> ...damnit
[04:35] <topyli> ice_1963: at all times
[04:35] <poningru> brb
[04:35] <christian> any ubuntu wiki admins here?
[04:35] <ice_1963> ok like Debian :0)
[04:35] <Seveas> christian, why do you need them?
[04:35] <carajean> ok after a fresh install im back to get the correct way to get working nvidia drivers
[04:35] <hopeng> Seveas, my laptop installed with ubuntu, but cannot be shutdowned, how to fix ?
[04:35] <brenner> ok, generic question: i've got 13 upgradeable packages...question is, do i really need to upgrade them? e.g. what really is the difference b/n dpkg 1.10.27ubuntu1 and 1.10.27ubuntu2 ?
[04:35] <christian> i nuked my ubuntu wiki account.
[04:35] <carajean> people here are swearing by the binary ones should i try those first
[04:35] <topyli> ice_1963: oh you got the point, we don't have to say this anymore :)
[04:36] <ivoks> brenner: hoary? only security fixes
[04:36] <Seveas> hopeng, no idea, you did not even come close to telling enough about the problem for it to be diagnosed...
[04:36] <hopeng> Seveas, it just idle when i click shutdown... its fresh install
[04:36] <vagamente> how can i make my canon bjc-250 work???
[04:36] <Seveas> christian, 'nuked'?
[04:37] <Seveas> forgot the password?
[04:37] <brenner> ivoks: so, that's a yes, i should get them?
[04:37] <pitti> brenner: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.10.27ubuntu2/changelog
[04:37] <christian> well, i am new to wiki. i somehow mistyped my wiki name. instead of ChristianParatschek i got Christianparatschek.
[04:37] <gus_> any WEBMAIL apps in WARTY suitable for enterprize?
[04:37] <Seveas> hopeng, idle at which point?
[04:37] <pitti> brenner: usually you should install them
[04:37] <christian> and i can't change the wiki name.
[04:37] <Seveas> christian, then create the ChristianParatscheck account too
[04:38] <ivoks> brenner: security fixes - i would say - allways
[04:38] <hopeng> Seveas, at the point after i click System - Logout - Shutdown.. and nothin happens. its not hung-up tho
[04:38] <ivoks> pitti: apt system need redesign :)
[04:38] <brenner> pitti: changelogs...good idea :)
[04:38] <christian> yeah, but my email-adress isn't free. and the first account is disabled because i was stupid enough to click the "permanently disable account" button
[04:38] <Seveas> hopeng, try in a terminal: sudo shutdown -h now
[04:38] <brenner> ivoks: ok, then thanks...
[04:39] <christian> and i haven't seen an option to delte an account on launchpad...
[04:39] <elmago> i get could not load the correct driver
[04:40] <Seveas> christian, hmm, ok
[04:40] <brenner> carajean: well, personally i'd go with the instructions posted on the wiki
[04:40] <elmago> where did i get so corrct driver?
[04:40] <Seveas> try contacting henrik nilsen omma (hno73)
[04:40] <christian> on the plus side, i managed to complete a laptopsupportpage :-)
[04:40] <ivoks> elmago: System -> Administration -> Printing
[04:40] <theeil> i seem to have two root passwords, one for CLI and one for graphical tools :S
[04:40] <mjr> hmm, how to give gnutls a set of default acceptable sertificates?
[04:40] <Longkong> hi :)
[04:40] <ivoks> elmago: delete all printers there
[04:41] <kahuna_> Off topic question - What does -z mean in a shell script?
[04:41] <Longkong> How do I enable the use of .htaccess Files with apache2?
[04:41] <paulproteus> kahuna_: In the context of a test?
[04:41] <kahuna_> yes
[04:41] <Seveas> kahuna_, usually a test for zero-length
[04:41] <kahuna_> Ok
[04:41] <kahuna_> thanks
[04:41] <paulproteus> If the string is zero, true.
[04:41] <brenner> theeil: rather unlikely...afaik, they should both be your user password
[04:41] <ivoks> elmago: then go to new printer
[04:41] <theeil> brenner: i changed it using passwd
[04:41] <elmago> ok
[04:41] <ivoks> elmago: you should see you printer under detected printers
[04:42] <theeil> brenner: i have to use my user password for graphical tools
[04:42] <Jowi> theeil, you probably have one for "root" and one for sudo with your username
[04:42] <brenner> theeil: oh, ok.
[04:42] <ivoks> elmago: is it there?
[04:42] <elmago> yeah
[04:42] <ivoks> elmago: ok, choose it, and go forward
[04:42] <christian> seveas, can you help me? or at least tell me who to inform?
[04:42] <gnorr> maybe a stupid question, but if synaptic says i have an ftp-client, where can i find it?
[04:42] <theeil> Jowi: how do you change the sudo password?
[04:42] <ivoks> elmago: manufactur should be epson, is it?
[04:42] <ice_1963> you can add sources by vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:42] <elmago> yes
[04:43] <carajean> hey guys how to fix a broken package?
[04:43] <ivoks> elmago: and model is...?
[04:43] <Jowi> theeil, the sudo password is your normal username password.
[04:43] <elmago> is an epson stylus color 680
[04:43] <theeil> Jowi: yes, but how do i change it?
[04:43] <Jowi> theeil, if you want to disable sudo access have a look in the file /etc/sudoers
[04:43] <gnorr> where is the app ftp?
[04:43] <ivoks> elmago: ok, for driver choose High quality (gimp-print)
[04:43] <alejandro> hola por favor
[04:43] <alejandro> alguien que hable espaol?
[04:44] <clem_yeats> ubuntu_es
[04:44] <oceandead> command line
[04:44] <topyli> carajean: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:44] <Jowi> theeil, in a terminal just type passwd or launch the users-admin
[04:44] <alejandro> necesito ayuda
[04:44] <ivoks> elmago: did you?
[04:44] <oceandead> need different one for a gui ftp
[04:44] <brenner> gnorr: er, when does synaptic say this?
[04:44] <carajean> thanks topyil
[04:45] <clem_yeats> elanjadro : aqui estas para personas que hablan ingles. Usted puede encontrar ayuda en espanol alli : #ubuntu-es
[04:45] <alejandro> gracias
[04:45] <clem_yeats> de nada
[04:45] <ivoks> english
[04:45] <elmago> not foomatic?
[04:45] <flogiston> When I try to run torsmo it just flashing i bit then disappers....
[04:45] <XandriX> what is open jade ?
[04:45] <ivoks> elmago: gimp-print
[04:45] <gnorr> brenner > when checking my apps, it is listed as installed
[04:45] <elmago> ok i did so
[04:46] <gnorr> i'm a linux greenhorn
[04:46] <ivoks> elmago: finish that now
[04:46] <ivoks> elmago: right click on your printer -> properties
[04:46] <ivoks> elmago: check Paper tab and choose your paper size
[04:46] <Originoo> elmago: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Color_680
[04:47] <brenner> gnorr: iirc, ftp is a command line program
[04:47] <ivoks> elmago: then hit print test page
[04:47] <theeil> i also find that there is a shortage of packages
[04:47] <fourcheeze> :-)
[04:47] <oceandead> gnorr you looking for ftp with a gui?
[04:47] <smudo> hi all
[04:47] <gnorr> brenner > ok, what more visual ftp-client do you advise?
[04:47] <brenner> gnorr: if you want a GUI frontend, you can use something like gftp.     but iirc, you can even use nautilus!
[04:47] <ivoks> gnorr: gftp
[04:48] <icewt> filezilla3
[04:48] <osfameron> yeah, nautilus works fine
[04:48] <gnorr> brenner > thanks
[04:48] <smudo> anyone want to tackle a KDE question?
[04:48] <brenner> theeil: have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[04:48] <brenner> *universe & multiverse
[04:48] <thoreauputic> icewt: *cough* filezilla --> windows afaik
[04:48] <brenner> pretty much anything you could want in there
[04:49] <Originoo> brenner: is the ftp-error fixed in nautilus?
[04:49] <icewt> thoreauputic, but i said filezilla3
[04:49] <thoreauputic> icewt: is that a linux port ? Interesting...
[04:49] <Originoo> brenner: i get always wrong md5 checksum while using nautilus
[04:49] <brenner> Originoo: i wouldn't know seeing as i have never used it with ftp :)
[04:49] <thoreauputic> icewt: in the repos?
[04:49] <icewt> thoreauputic, it's the new cross-platform filezilla
[04:50] <theeil> brenner: yes, for all three
[04:50] <elmago> i get manupilation runs but it does anything
[04:51] <elmago> nothing
[04:51] <icewt> thoreauputic, it's still in development, but it's usable http://filezilla-project.org/nightly.php
[04:51] <thoreauputic> icewt: I see - thanks
[04:51] <carajean> does anyone here have sure fire way to install new nvidia drivers?
[04:52] <ivoks> elmago: your printer doesn't do anything?
[04:52] <elmago> yeah
[04:52] <ivoks> hm
[04:52] <elmago> german?
[04:52] <brenner> Originoo: have you searched for a fix, or if you couldn't find any, filed a bug report?
[04:53] <ivoks> elmago: sudo apt-get install gs-gpl gs-eps hpijs
[04:53] <Originoo> brenner: this was known bug in nautilus
[04:53] <elmago> cant find gs-gpl but i installed the other
[04:53] <elmago> s
[04:54] <brenner> Originoo: ah, ok
[04:54] <ivoks> no gs-gpl?!
[04:54] <ivoks> khm...
[04:54] <elmago> no gs-eps sry
[04:54] <ivoks> gs-esp, pardon me
[04:54] <elmago> ok
[04:55] <elmago> is installed
[04:55] <ivoks> so, you didn't have gs-gpl or gs-eps installated?
[04:55] <ivoks> esp
[04:55] <ivoks> one had to be installated allready
[04:56] <ivoks> try printing now...
[04:56] <elmago> gs-esp was installed
[04:56] <elmago> und hpijs
[04:56] <ivoks> ok... hm...
[04:56] <elmago> and hpijs
[04:56] <netstatr> Where can I get the additional software CD from, can't find a link directly from the site?
[04:57] <ivoks> netstatr: ?
[04:57] <smudo> KDE won't start for me
[04:57] <h08817> i have a grub issue with it reading my second hd
[04:57] <smudo> I get the login screen, but when I authenticate, I just get the login screen back.
[04:57] <jeffguy> h08817: That is a known ubuntu issue that will be fixed in breezy
[04:57] <jeffguy> There is a bugzilla about it
[04:57] <jeffguy> The same issue drove me crazy
[04:57] <netstatr> I don't have broadband to download the additional software.  I was told a while back that there was an additional software iso.
[04:58] <jeffguy> netstatr: You are talking about the add-on cd
[04:58] <netstatr> yeah
[04:58] <jeffguy> They distributed stuff like  flash and java on it without redistribution rights so sun sent a cease and desist letter from what someone told me
[04:59] <h08817> well how can i fix it?
[04:59] <ivoks> bye all
[04:59] <netstatr> Where can I get it from?
[04:59] <h08817> when i start up i get the grub menu and it says ubuntu or win95/98/ME
[04:59] <h08817> i have 98
[04:59] <smudo> I keep getting the error "Can't open default user face
[04:59] <smudo> "
[04:59] <h08817> i just want into 98
[04:59] <brenner> netstatr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30147 maybe?
[04:59] <mumak> is there some sort of ubuntu / powerbook support group?
[05:00] <topyli> h08817: redhat always used to say just "DOS" :)
[05:00] <topyli> h08817: it will boot your win98
[05:00] <brenner> jeffguy: not sure, but looks like they removed the java/flash stuff... at least from the message posted
[05:00] <h08817> well it tries
[05:01] <h08817> it says root (hd1,0) makeactive  savedefault chainloader +1
[05:01] <h08817> then just sits there
[05:01] <sean_> wow sure is a busy little channel :)
[05:01] <h08817> yep
[05:01] <sean_> grub problems?
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> hd1,0 ? hmm shouldent that be hd0,0 ? what hard drive is your windows os installed to?
[05:01] <h08817> yes
[05:02] <h08817> windows is on my second hd and linux is on my first
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> ewwwwwwwwwwww
[05:02] <h08817> lol
[05:02] <topyli> should be ok
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> im not sure if windows 98 can even do it that way.
[05:02] <sean_> thats a problem, you have to tell grub to hide you linux drives then
[05:02] <h08817> i guess i could swap the cables
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:02] <h08817> so what do i do?
[05:02] <topyli> h08817: windows might be happier
[05:02] <sean_> <-- dual boots SE and linux, ran into the same
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> oh yea - hide the linux drives - that may do it.
[05:03] <h08817> i don't want to lose anything on 98
[05:03] <h08817> do i have to format anything?
[05:03] <sean_> nah, grub only deals with boot records
[05:03] <topyli> h08817: no
[05:03] <h08817> ok how to hide drives?
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> grub has options to 'hide' a drive.
[05:03] <jdahm> hey is there a plugin for rythembox to play mp3s?
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> i forget what they are however. :P
[05:03] <h08817> o ok
[05:03] <h08817> and once the linux is hidden it should boot?
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> if you are lucky :P
[05:03] <topyli> jdahm: rhythmbox uses gstreamer, so you install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:03] <sean_> jdahrr: im not sure about rythm box, but synaptic can grab XMMS, and thats more to my liking, much like winamp
[05:04] <h08817> well brb will go check
[05:04] <osfameron> gah, another synaptics pad problem
[05:04] <osfameron> sometimes on click the pointer snaps to top or (usually) bottom of screen
[05:05] <topyli> sean_: ewww. you have windows 98 and xmms :)
[05:05] <carajean> anyone know how to change the resolution i cant go any higher even though i would like to?
[05:05] <jdahm> topyli, sweet thanks
[05:05] <sean_> lol windows 98 servers only one function for me lol, counter stike :p
[05:05] <topyli> sean_: i have a w98se box too :)
[05:05] <sean_> lol, ive got a 333 celeron, im kinda limited :p
[05:06] <Ng> sean_: cs or cs:source?
[05:06] <topyli> sean_: mine is a 350 pentium 2, with 128M ram
[05:06] <topyli> a killer
[05:06] <smudo> mumak:  what's the difficulty with your PB?
[05:06] <sean_> counter strike 1.6... i dont have a hope of source  lol... ive got 64mb ram, im butchering the chicken here
[05:06] <carajean> ok guys any idea how to change resolution?
[05:06] <apokryphos> !resolution
[05:06] <ubotu> resolution is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:06] <Ng> sean_: ah, well you might want to have a look at running it in wine
[05:06] <Ng> sean_: save on the rebooting :)
[05:07] <sean_> i tried it under cedega, i lost about 5-10fps, and when your only getting 15, you deal with reboots :p
[05:07] <h08817> uh o
[05:07] <h08817> i screwed something up
[05:07] <sean_> whats up h?
[05:07] <Ng> sean_: fair enough, I don't mind losing a bit of speed to avoid rebooting, but I have a fairly hefty machine ;)
[05:07] <h08817> i hid the linux partition
[05:07] <h08817> and made my 98 the root and made it active and tried to boot
[05:08] <h08817> it just locked up
[05:08] <sean_> yeah, i had a beast, then i got divorced :p lol, this was an X-terminal, and now its my computer lol
[05:08] <h08817> so i restarted it and now grub says error 17
[05:08] <sean_> erorr 17? one sec ill see what the error code means
[05:09] <Coyctecm> is e17 in breezy?
[05:10] <apokryphos> Coyctecm: no
[05:10] <sean_> whats your menu.lst look like?
[05:10] <Coyctecm> it would be if there were two choices in installer e17 and gnome =)))
[05:10] <Coyctecm> it would be great I mean =)
[05:11] <Jowi> Coyctecm, e17 is still pre-alpha-ish. best way to get it is still through CVS
[05:11] <apokryphos> Coyctecm: indeed, but I imagine there wouldn't be enough space on the CD
[05:11] <apokryphos> Coyctecm: that's the reason for KDE and GNOME not being together.
[05:11] <sean_> use a paste bin and throw it  up, also make sure your bios is still reading both drives
[05:12] <apokryphos> Jowi: there's a repository with it; nooms
[05:12] <funkyHat> Coyctecm, i have a repository with e17 in it, if you want an easy way to install you can use that
[05:12] <brenner> so ubuntu's always gonna be a 1 cd distro?
[05:12] <funkyHat> i hope it is
[05:12] <apokryphos> !e
[05:12] <ubotu> I heard e is Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105
[05:12] <sean_> enlightement is Gnomes default window manager no?
[05:12] <apokryphos> brenner: pretty much; unless a DVD becomes default. Whether it will become a live + install CD is yet to be seen.
[05:12] <Jowi> apokryphos, yeah but it works less than ok for everyday use. random crashes for me.
[05:13] <sean_> i dont like the idea of a combined live/install cd
[05:13] <apokryphos> sean_: no; it uses metacity or something
[05:13] <apokryphos> sean_: why?
[05:13] <Jowi> apokryphos, somehow the CVS worked better for me. ....until something was mistyped in the sources ;-)
[05:13] <netstatr> sean_ about thirty years ago.
[05:13] <sean_> i use live cds to give to noobs, dont want them to even have the remotest chance of messing there computer up, it's a redundancy thing
[05:13] <netstatr> it's now metacity
[05:13] <apokryphos> Jowi: it's worked ok, but the stuff there is reasonably limited. Played around with it briefly
[05:14] <funkyHat> sean_, metacity is gnome's default window manager, enlightenment is an alternative to gnome
[05:14] <reiken> hi, having trouble wif creating a new user
[05:14] <No1Viking> addduser
[05:14] <reiken> the new user can't login to the system at all
[05:14] <No1Viking> reiken, use adduser
[05:14] <apokryphos> sean_: not at all. You can quite easily muck things up with a LiveCD; all it would mean is that the LiveCD woudl have an "install to hard-drive option/application" somewhere
[05:14] <sean_> wow, havent touched gnome, well, ever, until my ubuntu install a few days ago :p
[05:14] <reiken> where's adduser?
[05:15] <netstatr> gnome is nice huh?
[05:15] <apokryphos> reiken: it's a command
[05:15] <brenner> yeah, i never got that...how come knoppix and others have the live cd with install capability while ubuntu seperates the two?
[05:15] <sean_> and then i scrapped gnome of the get go, back to XFCE for me
[05:15] <No1Viking> reiken, in text mode
[05:15] <Jowi> apokryphos, yeah me too. tested it hard for two weeks. it looks promising and i wish it would be available production-stable today!
[05:15] <No1Viking> reiken, in a terminal window
[05:15] <apokryphos> netstatr: it's ok, but not *great* ;-)
[05:15] <reiken> there's no GUI version of it?
[05:15] <netstatr> what do you prefer?
[05:15] <HackBenjamin> hey guys, having a problem with ./configure:
[05:15] <sean_> use the console, command line = good :p
[05:15] <brenner> sean_: on your comp. that isn't surprising. :)
[05:15] <HackBenjamin> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:15] <apokryphos> reiken: I think there is; something in GNOME settings; in KDE -> kuser
[05:15] <brenner> HackBenjamin: what are you installing?
[05:15] <HackBenjamin> what do i pass to configure to make it work?
[05:15] <apokryphos> HackBenjamin: libx11-dev
[05:15] <Jowi> netstatr, window-maker for me actually
[05:16] <sean_> lol, yeah i know, somedays XFCE is taxing lol
[05:16] <HackBenjamin> cheers
[05:16] <netstatr> old school
[05:16] <netstatr> I used to use it a while back, it's nice.
[05:16] <reiken> i'm using the 504 hoary relase
[05:16] <apokryphos> netstatr: whoop, sorry missed your question. KDE.
[05:16] <sean_> how is breezy btw?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: or xlibs-dev perhaps
[05:16] <apokryphos> sean_: not too bad; reasonably stable, and very pacey.
[05:16] <HackBenjamin> brenner:ksmoothdock and kconfigure
[05:16] <reiken> doesn't seem to work under system>administration>user and groups
[05:17] <sean_> nice :) its due out in october right?
[05:17] <apokryphos> correct
[05:17] <eduol> hi all
[05:17] <apokryphos> hi
[05:17] <sean_> i cant wait. im soo impressed with this distro, killed my thriving for slackware in a heartbeat
[05:17] <sean_> heya eduol
[05:17] <brenner> HackBenjamin: oh, kde stuff. :) i was gonna tell you to check the repos 1st if the apps are in there rather than installing from source
[05:17] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: sounds like you'll need a bunch of qt-dev stuff as well...
[05:18] <sean_> so does anyone here sit on the ubunutu members list/comitee?
[05:18] <brenner> apokryphos: pacy?
[05:18] <HackBenjamin> brenner: already done that ;) thoreauptic: already got them
[05:18] <apokryphos> brenner: very fast
[05:18] <brenner> *pacey? :)
[05:18] <brenner> apokryphos: yes i know the meaning. :)
[05:18] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: OK cool :)
[05:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: he should be ok with installing one package
[05:18] <eduol> Im considering Ubuntu for my laptop but, does xorg in Ubuntu works with via cle266?
[05:18] <brenner> apokryphos: where has the improvement come from since hoary?
[05:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: well, one that would bring in other things.
[05:18] <reiken> thanx pple :)
[05:19] <reiken> workz like a charm :D
[05:19] <sean_> I was going to install breezy, but i thought it might run slower then hoary
[05:19] <apokryphos> brenner: I don't quite know, but it's quite palpable when you run it.
[05:19] <marlijs> I cant install smeg on hoary, because it depends on python-xdg >=0.14
[05:19] <ubuntu__> HI there I am a new kid on the block of Linux
[05:19] <Jowi> eduol, i'm using an epia m-10000 with cle266. everything works except DRI (direct rendering)
[05:19] <osfameron> sean_, brenner, why?  is that rumoured?
[05:19] <apokryphos> sean_, brenner: quit the opposite here
[05:19] <brenner> i thought the new gnome would slow down stuff
[05:19] <HackBenjamin> im sure it shouldnt be this hard to get stuff to compile...
[05:19] <osfameron> I'm hoping it has sane network and VPN config tools :-)
[05:20] <brenner> osfameron: dunno, just my assumption
[05:20] <apokryphos> HackBenjamin: it's not :)
[05:20] <sean_> hmm, yeah, was the rumored i heard from a dalnet chat i had on ubuntu
[05:20] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: apt-get build-dep is your friend ;)
[05:20] <Jowi> eduol, so as long as you don't need to play 3d games you're fine. xorg uses the "via" driver
[05:20] <JBLoudG20> maybe someone here can help me, cause they arent helping in #xmms... my xmms wont advance to the next song. I have the option deselected to disable auto advance. could it be because my songs are on an atfs partition?
[05:20] <brenner> marfis: er, how are you installing?
[05:20] <sean_> going to have to try it out for myself, i thrive for more preformance :p.. im back in the slackware days when nix ran on a 286 w/ 8mb ram lol
[05:20] <HackBenjamin> apokryphos: its not hard per se, but getting ALL of the dev files ad build essentials and fakeroot and understanding that you need dev packages for EVERYTHING is a pain
[05:21] <HackBenjamin> even gentoo was easier than this ;)
[05:21] <pland> hello all
[05:21] <pland> a friend of mine has just about to install linux (ubuntu or debian) and wants to set it up as a server (web hosting, email accounts maintenance, usual server duties) at her home
[05:21] <apokryphos> HackBenjamin: for kde packages you should be ok installing: qt includes, kde includes, X includes. That's it...
[05:21] <sean_> heya pland
[05:21] <thoreauputic> sean_: afaik linux never ran on 286 ?
[05:21] <pland> but she has no experience
[05:21] <apokryphos> HackBenjamin: though as thoreauputic says, build-dep is excellent for this
[05:21] <pland> any book reccomendations?
[05:21] <sean_> sure did, slackware still runs on a 386
[05:21] <pland> n00b-oriented books on sysadmin, ubuntu friendly?
[05:21] <pland> hi sean_
[05:22] <brad_s> 386 yes - 286 doesn't have an FPU which can handle linux ...
[05:22] <funkyHat> HackBenjamin, that would be because gentoo is DESIGNED to compile everything
[05:22] <netstatr> I think somebody hacked a linux kernel to run a 286, but no 386 is the minimum
[05:22] <brenner> tldp.org maybe?
[05:22] <sean_> sorry did i say 286? i meant 386
[05:22] <brad_s> :p
[05:22] <marlijs> Who is responsible for backports?
[05:22] <black13> has the 2.6 kernel changed in how it handles devices
[05:22] <thoreauputic> sean_: erm - Linus Torvalds wrote linux for 386, idn't he? Have I missed something?
[05:22] <chrissturm> 286 has no mmu
[05:22] <apokryphos> marlijs: name on the site
[05:22] <badrunner> i remember my 286, it had only a 5.25" floppy and no hard disk, and was as big as a house :)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> sean_: ah, OK :)
[05:22] <HackBenjamin> apokryphos: thats true, but on amd64 where there are a lot of holes in what packages are available and without knowing exact names of the dev files it can be a pain to get them
[05:23] <netstatr> black13 in many way.
[05:23] <Dackel>  have i use special names for hostname and domain for a local network
[05:23] <apokryphos> marlijs: actually, official ones are a number of persons, I believe.
[05:23] <scott__> scorpio-moviez-sd344
[05:23] <sean_> if anyone has a 286 still, they should be shot anyway lol :p
[05:23] <apokryphos> HackBenjamin: hence build-dep :P
[05:23] <thoreauputic> sean_: going to burn down the museums? *grin*
[05:23] <sean_> lol maybe :p
[05:24] <brad_s> HackBenjamin: its generally not too bad to find all the header files ... nicer than any other packaged system, anyway ;) (try building with SUSe on a s390 for a lesson in pain ;))
[05:24] <HackBenjamin> funkyHat: in my experience (andits about 4 year now) just about all distros provide the basic tools for compiling with the distro
[05:24] <black13> netstatr i am building a boot cd and i am having a hell of time trying to mount the cdrom to /dev/hdc
[05:24] <HackBenjamin> brad_s: sounds fun :P
[05:24] <funkyHat> yeah, true, but you know what i mean :P
[05:24] <netstatr> black13 did you grep dmesg for cdrom?
[05:24] <sean_> so, if a guy is interested in doing ubunutu activist work in his area, is it best to report it all on the wiki etc?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: slack - yes, Debian - no
[05:25] <thoreauputic> gentoo, yes, obviously
[05:25] <brad_s> HackBenjamin:  also, remember that Ubuntu wants to fit on 1 cdrom ... lots of includes == lots of Kb
[05:25] <HackBenjamin> thorepeutic: slack, gentoo, fedora...
[05:25] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: fedora... ewwww ;)
[05:26] <Z0l_> hello
[05:26] <HackBenjamin> brad_s: im not complaining about that: i love the distro, its why i changed from gentoo! it would just be useful to have at least build essentials (which is on the cd!) installed by default
[05:26] <netstatr> Slackware, SuSE and ubuntu here.
[05:26] <black13> netstatr good idea ...
[05:26] <sean_> what, has everyone shun mandriva lol :p
[05:26] <^rob^> hi
[05:26] <kemik> HackBenjamin:  the point of Ubuntu is tho that you shouldnt need to compile
[05:26] <HackBenjamin> thoreaupeutic: hehe, i gave up on redhat after 9...
[05:26] <HackBenjamin> kemik: try running amd64!
[05:26] <^rob^> does anyone know how to make skype to use arts?
[05:26] <Z0l_> anyone having problem with firefox? yesterday it was ok, today it says libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map
[05:26] <netstatr> waiting for the first official release to come out of Mandriva with their new staff..
[05:27] <netstatr> should be interesting.
[05:27] <funkyHat> HackBenjamin, if it's on the CD, then choose expert mode and select it at install ;)
[05:27] <HackBenjamin> kemik: and what about programs there is no amd64.deb for?
[05:27] <brenner> yeah, i thought ubuntu was designed to be a desktop distro...most desktop users will never need to compile
[05:27] <thoreauputic> sean_: mandrake/mandriva was my first distro - I respect it at least
[05:27] <kemik> HackBenjamin:  nah, dont got one ;) dont need more computing power anywys :)
[05:27] <brad_s> HackBenjamin: not questioning that - just suggesting that its a difficult trade-off to make.  I think a "these packages let you build x,y and z" wiki page would be a good start ... *hint* ;)
[05:27] <Jowi> sean_, yeah. haven't used *Mandrake* since 10.1. I got tired of the rpm-searching
[05:27] <sean_> netstatr, very intresting should be good
[05:27] <netstatr> brenner you need to keep the developers interested.
[05:27] <HackBenjamin> brad_s: i guess il get going on it then :P
[05:27] <netstatr> Remember, Linux is stilla  niche market.
[05:27] <netstatr> Populated maqinly by geeks.
[05:27] <HackBenjamin> here here
[05:27] <HackBenjamin> :P
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Jowi: urpmi is quite decent (aptish)
[05:28] <brenner> netstatr: i was just commenting on HackBenjamin's comment of not including build-essential
[05:28] <shekhar> help i cannot play dvds
[05:28] <sean_> lol, yeah, actually, this synaptic  apt-frontend type dealy is just, insane :) i love it
[05:28] <kemik> HackBenjamin:  of course you'll have to compile such applications, but much of the "thing" with ubuntu is that there should be no need for compiling your software.. (of course, it's not quite there yet , ;) )
[05:28] <Seveas> !dvd
[05:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[05:28] <HackBenjamin> shekar: do this:
[05:28] <Seveas> ^-- shekhar
[05:28] <netstatr> ah right, sorry was looking for something to say
[05:28] <netstatr> waiting for this add-on cd to download.
[05:28] <Seveas> wtf, eho fucked up that
[05:28] <HackBenjamin> sudo: sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[05:28] <m0r0n> My trash symbol of the destop has gone, but there is still trash directoy in my home directory.  Any idea how to get the trash symbol back?
[05:28] <brenner> netstatr: np
[05:28] <gnorr> anybody knows where to find the grub settings?
[05:28] <shekhar> Seveas, just installed a new cd-rw-dvd-rom
[05:28] <brenner> lol, not me
[05:28] <Seveas> m0r0n, rightclick on the taskbar, select add to panel
[05:28] <kemik> m0r0n:  rightclick your "gnome-bar" and add the panel
[05:28] <Seveas> then select trash can
[05:29] <Jowi> thoreauputic, true but is not as comprehensive as the apt repos.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> gnorr: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:29] <gnorr> thanx
[05:29] <m0r0n> thanks
[05:29] <^rob^> does anyone has skype?
[05:29] <Seveas> ubotu, no, dvd is <reply> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[05:29] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[05:29] <Jowi> thoreauputic, i haven't tried it for a year though.
[05:29] <sean_> ok, its 9:30am, its noon somewhere, time to crack one back and make another dead soldier... brb :p
[05:30] <shekhar> Seveas, i have installed libdvdcss2
[05:30] <kemik> ^rob^:  yes
[05:30] <Jowi> ^rob^, install the deb from skype.com
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Jowi: once I got debian I lost interest in mandrake
[05:30] <shekhar> Seveas, we could get the dvd to play once in vlc, but without audio
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Jowi: Ubuntu is even better...
[05:30] <^rob^> kemik: i have - the q is - can skype use arts?
[05:30] <carajean> ok th resolution things did work but o well forget it now on to nvidia drivers which for 2 day and 5 installs i cant get working
[05:30] <Jowi> thoreauputic, i hear you. same here :-)
[05:30] <^rob^> insead /dev/dsp
[05:30] <shekhar> Seveas, now neither audio or video comes
[05:30] <kemik> ^rob^:  dont know :)
[05:30] <Seveas> shekhar, try totem-xine
[05:31] <^rob^> Jowi: ??
[05:31] <shekhar> Seveas, totem doesn't open
[05:31] <HackBenjamin> argh, anyone having trouble getting kate running?
[05:31] <Seveas> shekhar, with which error?
[05:31] <HackBenjamin> hope@disdain:~$ kate
[05:31] <HackBenjamin> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[05:31] <sean_> hack:  kate works here, no problems
[05:31] <brenner> speaking of totem-xine, does anyone else get weird lines during rapid movement in totem when playing a DVD?  ogle works fine
[05:31] <carajean> can anyone with a really good knowledge of linux and its vidoe drivers give me a hand?
[05:31] <Seveas> HackBenjamin, killall kate
[05:31] <shekhar> Seveas, totem could not start up -- resource busy or unavailable
[05:31] <Seveas> and retry
[05:31] <black13> god i hate dialup
[05:31] <netstatr> HackBenjamin try removing all old kate related config files from $HOME/.kde
[05:31] <Seveas> shekhar, why did you ditch esd?
[05:32] <Jowi> brenner, have you tried pressing the "i" key to de-interlace the picture?
[05:32] <sean_> rofl @ dialup, man i feel your pain
[05:32] <sburger> when i run perdoc i get:You need to install the perl-doc package to use this program. but there is no perl-doc package (i checked with apt-cache search) any suggestions?
[05:32] <shekhar> Seveas, because sound was not working
[05:32] <HackBenjamin> netstatr: yes, fresh install havent run kate until now and have killed it in between
[05:32] <brenner> Jowi: somewhat. :)  i tried it once, still kept doing it.... is that the probable cause though?
[05:32] <Seveas> perl-5.6-doc - Transitional package.
[05:32] <Seveas> shekhar, then fix it instead of ditching esd
[05:32] <Jowi> brenner, hard to say since I have no screenshot :-)
[05:33] <ThePyromaniac> anyone here know how i can get WoW working on linux easily? :)
[05:33] <Seveas> or learn to configure alsa properly so you can use two sound-playing programs at the same time
[05:33] <HackBenjamin> anyone using ruby on amd64?
[05:33] <Jowi> brenner, it sounds like deinterlacing problem though.
[05:33] <ThePyromaniac> im using a amd 64, but dont know what ruby is ^^
[05:33] <sean_> ThePyromaniac,   Cedega
[05:33] <ThePyromaniac> dont you have to pay for that?
[05:33] <Seveas> sburger, perl-doc - Perl documentation
[05:33] <HackBenjamin> ThePyromanisc: object orientatedprogramming language
[05:33] <brenner> Jowi: i'll try and scrounge one up now.
[05:33] <netstatr> ruby is a programming language
[05:33] <sean_> yeah, but its about 14$ or use wine, but cedega is my tool of choice
[05:34] <shekhar> Seveas, i did this http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[05:34] <ThePyromaniac> does it work with wine? heard after 1.2 it broke
[05:34] <Seveas> shekhar, that site is on crack
[05:34] <sburger> Seveas: right but i can't find that package. how do i install it?
[05:34] <HackBenjamin> so noone will be able to tell me if they managed to get rails working on amd64?
[05:34] <sean_> that i dont know, dont deal with wine at all, id gadly shell out $100 for cedega, is premo
[05:34] <Seveas> sburger, enable some network repositories...
[05:34] <Seveas> !repos
[05:34] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:34] <apokryphos> Seveas: mentioned a few tips to him a couple of weeks ago. Still no response :|
[05:35] <Seveas> apokryphos, the idiot^Wauthor does not want to cooperate...
[05:35] <brenner> Seveas: something interesting: ubuntuguide's sound fix is detailed in a forum topic linked in ubotu's 'sound' trigger
[05:35] <sburger> Seveas: thanks
[05:35] <Seveas> really...
[05:35] <Seveas> which forum post?
[05:36] <apokryphos> Seveas: I find it odd that he's still running it; if the community didn't like the way I did things I'd either change or just give the domain up. Bit of an oddball.
[05:36] <sean_> ubuntu hated my sound card, the sb-16 drivers cause gnome login manager to freeze, had to change modprobe to sb instead of snd-sb16...
[05:36] <brenner> Jowi: lol, the symptom doesn't show up in screenshots
[05:36] <ThePyromaniac> sean_: how many games does it work with, and is installign it gonna take me a day of complications like most other things i try? heh
[05:36] <Jowi> brenner, lol
[05:36] <Seveas> apokryphos, the forums people love ot
[05:36] <Seveas> it*
[05:36] <apokryphos> which is actually down now 8)
[05:36] <brenner> !tell Seveas about sound
[05:36] <carajean> ThePyromaniac: sent u a link
[05:36] <sean_> lol, installs in 30 seconds, and plays everything almost
[05:36] <Jowi> brenner, typical isn't it
[05:36] <carajean> it worked for me
[05:36] <ThePyromaniac> ahh, thanks
[05:36] <brenner> actually, changed
[05:37] <carajean> had to reinstall so im doin it again right now
[05:37] <Seveas> which is another indication that the smart people are on irc/mailinglists and not on the forum :)
[05:37] <brenner> Seveas: my mistake, the trigger has changed
[05:37] <brenner> :)
[05:37] <gnorr> how can i view my partitions within ubuntu?
[05:37] <brenner> Jowi: hehe, sure is
[05:38] <apokryphos> Seveas: well, they do often make spelling mistakes in their big anouncements :P
[05:38] <Seveas> gnorr, sudo fdisk -l
[05:38] <bipolar> does the kernel in hoary have the inotify patch?
[05:38] <sean_> gnorr - mount them in your fstab
[05:38] <Seveas> CONFIG_INOTIFY=y
[05:38] <Seveas> CONFIG_DNOTIFY=y
[05:38] <shekhar> Seveas, if ubuntuguide is on crack, how do i undo the damage
[05:39] <Seveas> shekhar, no idea
[05:39] <meeep> rehab?
[05:39] <sean_> woot here comes my 5 minute load time for open office lol
[05:39] <brenner> shekhar: i actually used that fix. :)
[05:39] <pelle_> Nobody talk swedich?
[05:39] <pelle_> s
[05:39] <meeep> jag
[05:39] <pelle_> -c
[05:39] <Seveas> pelle_, #ubuntu.se
[05:39] <brenner> shekhar: so you aren't getting sound and video in...totem?
[05:39] <HackBenjamin> sean_: use latex ;)
[05:39] <sean_> du prata svenska?
[05:40] <shekhar> brenner, i can't open totem
[05:40] <shekhar> brenner, and i was getting video but no sound in vlc
[05:40] <brenner> shekhar: any error messages?
[05:40] <shekhar> brenner, now i am getting neither in vlc
[05:40] <sean_> wait man, thats a bloody great idea. :) thx!
[05:40] <gnorr> sean_ > so if i'd want to boot hda3, what are the grub settings?
[05:40] <shekhar> brenner, in vlc? nope
[05:40] <sean_> depends on what os is on hda3
[05:40] <brenner> shekhar: no, running totem in terminal
[05:40] <apokryphos> Seveas: why are the channels #ubuntu.xx and some #ubuntu-xx ? :/
[05:40] <pelle_>  what seveas? a dont understand?
[05:40] <gnorr> sean_ > windows (sorry)
[05:40] <Seveas> apokryphos, ubly se uses the .
[05:41] <gnorr> i'd want it to be my default
[05:41] <Seveas> pelle_, #ubuntu.se is the swedish ubuntu channel
[05:41] <shekhar> brenner, (totem:7861): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[05:41] <shekhar> (totem:7861): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[05:41] <gnorr> sean_ > i'd want it to be my default
[05:41] <pelle_> thanks seveas
[05:41] <Seveas> You can go there by typing /join #ubuntu.se
[05:41] <Jowi> pelle_, type "/join #ubuntu.se"
[05:41] <brenner> Jowi: deinterlacing doesn't seem to have any effect. :(
[05:41] <sean_> lol, wow, windows hates not being the first drive, so  you have to hide the first 2 from it, and then tell it to load hda3
[05:41] <brenner> shekhar: have you installed totem-xine?
[05:42] <shekhar> brenner, no
[05:42] <brenner> shekhar: do so :)
[05:42] <gorilla> sean_, yep.. that's an old problem... :-)
[05:42] <shekhar> brenner, ok :)
[05:42] <HackBenjamin> anyone know what pakage gmake is part of?
[05:42] <Seveas> none
[05:42] <Seveas> explicitely using gmake is braindead
[05:43] <gnorr> if i'd want to boot windows automatically on hda3, what are the grub settings?
[05:43] <Seveas> alias gmake=make
[05:43] <thoreauputic> HackBenjamin: build-essential, but it is make
[05:43] <HackBenjamin> Seveas: kdevelop was just telling me it didnt find it :P
[05:43] <Seveas> then kdevelop is braindead
[05:43] <sean_> sorry was in a world of sytem lag
[05:43] <Seveas> are you compiling it?
[05:43] <HackBenjamin> sounds about right
[05:43] <Seveas> if so, don't - it's in the repository
[05:43] <sean_> gnorr - one sec, ill send you a link to an example
[05:43] <ThePyromaniac> is there a benefit to getting wine cvs over normal releases?
[05:43] <HackBenjamin> Seveas: no, its the first run wizard
[05:44] <HackBenjamin> is there a ruby plugin for kdevelop?
[05:44] <brenner> ThePyromaniac: i would assume they would be more recent
[05:45] <brenner> probably more buggy though, if i have my concept of cvs right
[05:48] <brenner> gnorr: change the default value to the windows section
[05:48] <gnorr> brenner, what do you mean by default setting?
[05:48] <_SWAT_> is there a way to see which hardware device is connected to which /dev  ?
[05:48] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  i would not recommend you to start dabbling with cvs just yet ;) get more familliar with ubuntu/linux overall
[05:48] <brenner> gnorr: there's a 'default num' line
[05:48] <gnorr> brenner > should i change it to the hda number -1?
[05:48] <brenner> gnorr: the number you put there depends on where the windows partition is described in menu.lst
[05:48] <gnorr> brenner > it's hda0,1
[05:48] <gnorr> brenner > change it to 1 then?
[05:48] <brenner> gnorr: this can be a little confusing
[05:49] <brenner> say i have two boot options listed
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> grub starts counting at 0
[05:49] <brenner> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[05:49] <gnorr> brenner > the windows disk is hda3 in fdisk
[05:49] <brenner> blahblah blah
[05:49] <brenner> and then
[05:49] <brenner> title           Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
[05:49] <brenner> blahblahblah
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> hda3 = hd0,2 (i think)
[05:49] <gnorr> brenner > yes?
[05:49] <gnorr> ok
[05:50] <gnorr> brenner > thanx
[05:50] <brenner> gnorr: Ubuntu is listed before the windows one
[05:50] <brenner> so it's 0
[05:50] <brenner> the windows one is listed after the ubuntu one, so it's 1
[05:50] <brenner> *listed in menu.lst that is
[05:50] <gnorr> brenner > what i find hard to understand is that in fdisk it is hda3, in the grub settings it's hda o,1
[05:51] <vitriol> !bluetooth
[05:51] <ubotu> vitriol: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:51] <vitriol> !set-up bluetooth
[05:51] <ubotu> vitriol: What?
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> gnorr,  grub numbers the partions differently.    it hd(0,1) isent it? not Hda(0,1)
[05:51] <brenner> gnorr: er, hang on...you wanted to change the default OS grub boots right?
[05:51] <XandriX> apt-get build essentials or is it someway else ?
[05:52] <gnorr> brenner > yeah
[05:52] <carambol> build-essentials
[05:52] <sean_> he still needs to hide hide (hda0,1) etc... or windows aint going to load <chances are>
[05:52] <brenner> gnorr: this has nothing to do with which partition is which
[05:52] <gnorr> brenner > i'm so close, but can't remember how to do it
[05:52] <brenner> he just needs to change the 'default num' value
[05:52] <thoreauputic> carambol: build-essential  (no final "s" )
[05:52] <XandriX> carambol, whats the option before that ?
[05:52] <brenner> but it's so bloody hard to explain
[05:53] <vitriol> 'default num' value?
[05:53] <brenner> gnorr: you've got a list of titles in menu.lst
[05:53] <XandriX> thoreauputic, whats the option before ?
[05:53] <vitriol> ohhh
[05:53] <brenner> gnorr: the number you put as default
[05:53] <thoreauputic> XandriX:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:53] <vitriol> if you want windows to be the preferred os to boot and you have ubuntu as the first entry and windows as the second entry, just change the '0' to a '1'
[05:53] <gnorr> brenner > yes?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> XandriX: is that what you mean?
[05:54] <vitriol> in the default line
[05:54] <gnorr> brenner > it's 0 (zero)
[05:54] <XandriX> thoreauputic, yes thx
[05:54] <brenner> gnorr: yes, so it's now pointing to the first title listed
[05:54] <brenner> gnorr: which is probably ubuntu
[05:54] <Crusty_> hi
[05:54] <Seveas> gnorr, put your menu.lst on a pastebin so we can look at it...
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> actually i thouht there was a grub menu item/option that rembered the last selected  menu from the pervious boot and seleteted it by default. :P
[05:54] <brenner> vitriol is on the right track
[05:54] <gnorr> you mean physically in the text-file?
[05:54] <gnorr> brenner > you mean physically in the text-file?
[05:55] <brenner> Dr_Willis: you're probably right :)
[05:55] <sean_> willis: doesnt remembber crap for me
[05:55] <brenner> gnorr: yes!
[05:55] <gnorr> brenner > thanx
[05:55] <brenner> gnorr: it searches for titles
[05:55] <gnorr> brenner > i'm going to check it out right now
[05:55] <brenner> gnorr: 0 is the first one
[05:55] <vitriol> it's sooo nice being able to install ubuntu-desktop off of a cd
[05:55] <vitriol> :)
[05:55] <brenner> 1 is the second and so on
[05:55] <sean_> lol
[05:55] <gnorr> titles are skipped?
[05:55] <Seveas> no
[05:55] <vitriol> cuts down the time it takes to download from over an hour to 5 minutes
[05:55] <Seveas> ebery title is one item
[05:55] <Seveas> every*
[05:55] <sean_> anyone good at tweaking linux? i could use a little more skip in my jump
[05:56] <brenner> gnorr: find out what number the windows one is listed as and use that number
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> heh he could look at the boot menu and count.. starting at 0.
[05:56] <gnorr> brenner > thanx
[05:56] <brenner> gnorr: what Dr_Willis said!
[05:56] <brenner> gnorr: from top to bottom
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> if the windows entry is 4 lines down, deafault for it woule be 3
[05:57] <thoreauputic> sean_: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308  <-- there are 2 others in Tom's series
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  yea - thats it!
[05:57] <brenner> my fingers hurt now. :D
[05:57] <brenner> too much typing
[05:58] <sean_> Thank you so much man!!! :) been looking for something like that
[05:58] <brenner> Dr_Willis: i think it's actually described in menu.lst as a comment :)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> sean_: the author hangs out on the ubuntu-users list BTW :)
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  yea :P
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> thats where i saw it.
[05:58] <brenner> but that's the easy way....
[05:58] <esola> hj
[05:58] <sean_> nice :) going to have to get active there
[05:58] <brenner> i don't do things that way :)
[05:59] <sean_> im only on day 3 under ubuntu now, loving it
[05:59] <sean_> and wondering why oh why, i ever loved slackware so much :p
[05:59] <brenner> deb-based?
[05:59] <vitriol> i loved slackware too.....in 1999
[05:59] <vitriol> :p
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> after the abuse you got from windows xp... slackware was giving you some good loving!
[05:59] <sammie> sean_ is it the fact you have fell in love with apt-get ?
[06:00] <gnorr> brenner > thank you very much!
[06:00] <brenner> gnorr: it worked?
[06:00] <gnorr> beautifully
[06:00] <sean_> lol, yeah apt get owns :p
[06:00] <gnorr> brenner > beautifully
[06:00] <brenner> gnorr: there was actually an easier way
[06:00] <brenner> :)
[06:00] <gnorr> brenner > what idiot made such a game of these settings?
[06:00] <sean_> and no more compile error hunting...  no more massive configuration, and it all worked out of the box, blew my pants off
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> i find the grub settings to be very clear :P
[06:01] <brenner> gnorr: no, it was my explanations that are crappy :D
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> just have to remebr that grub starts #'ing at 0
[06:01] <gnorr> brenner > i know, but probably many wise men have said that the easiest ways are not always the best ways
[06:01] <brenner> Dr_Willis: easy for C programmers :)
[06:01] <sean_> save my sound, but going modprobe sb was pretty bloody easy :p
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  old-skool thinking
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:01] <brenner> gnorr: at least you learnt how the default number thing works :)
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  dont forget that it also skips cdroms :P
[06:02] <thoreauputic> gnorr: interesting- you use xchat but you are the only user whose nick shows with a >   Wonder why ?
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> and if you remove a HD. well it renumbers the remaining ones.
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> thoreauputic, he has a short nick.
[06:02] <thoreauputic> gnorr: ah you set it that way instead of . or : ?
[06:02] <brenner> Dr_Willis: i've never had the cash to own a second HDD :)
[06:02] <vitriol> i'm getting half the transfer rate i should be getting with my hard drive :(
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  lol - i got about 6 spare sitting behind me.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  not sure which are good however.
[06:03] <brenner> thoreauputic: it means i'm greater than the message :)
[06:03] <vitriol> 16MB/s and i *know* this drive can do 33MB/s
[06:03] <vitriol> i don't know if it has to do with immature chipset support in the kernel or what
[06:03] <brenner> Dr_Willis: then again, i'm on dialup :)
[06:03] <vitriol> it's an ati chipset
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: umm... other short nicks don't show  >  here
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  Evil!
[06:03] <vitriol> and that's on the 2.6.11 kernel
[06:03] <vitriol> 2.6.10 gives me .5MB/s with hdparm
[06:04] <vitriol> takes about 8 minutes to boot up :)
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> thoreauputic,  xchat hates you. :P everyone shoes a > here. resize your nicklist on the left side?
[06:04] <BirdFish> Hi everyone.
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: heheh -thanks I'm happy with the way it is :)
[06:04] <brenner> vitriol: DMA setting perhaps?
[06:04] <vitriol> brenner: no, DMA is on
[06:04] <BirdFish> I was wondering how to know what the "root" password was on a clean ubuntu install?
[06:04] <BirdFish> I didn't see anything about it during the install.
[06:04] <vitriol> brenner: unless you are saying maybe dma needs to be fine tuned?
[06:04] <brenner> !root
[06:05] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:05] <brenner> vitriol: no, meant enabling. :)
[06:05] <vitriol> brenner: nah it's enabled
[06:05] <sean_> root pass = the user account pass you made during install
[06:05] <Seveas> BirdFish, there is no root password
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: maybe because I have nick indenting set...
[06:05] <Seveas> sean_, no it's not...
[06:05] <vitriol> brenner: if i try to enable it when using the 2.6.10 kernel the command to enable dma doesn't work
[06:05] <Seveas> BirdFish, read the url that ubotu spit out
[06:05] <vitriol> weird eh?
[06:06] <BirdFish> Okay, no problem
[06:06] <brenner> vitriol: what's the error?
[06:06] <vitriol> brenner: i'd have to boot back into 2.6.10 to see
[06:06] <brenner> vitriol: er, nvm
[06:06] <vitriol> it's not the drive error, seek, complete message
[06:06] <brenner> i probably wouldn't know how to debug it anyway. :)
[06:06] <vitriol> it just says that it simply won't do it :)
[06:06] <brenner> lol
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> heh - they need to make the system print out that url on the console login screen so people tryign to login as root will go read it.
[06:06] <brenner> vitriol: 386 or 686 kernel?
[06:07] <brenner> vitriol: i heard of someone having hjis 2gb only recognised as 700 using the 386
[06:07] <bigbootay> /msg ubotu hi, there.  You mentioned last week to plug wiki.ubuntu.com but it doesn't actually have anything on setting up xine.  ubuntuguide.org has a recipe, at least.
[06:07] <brenner> *2GB of ram
[06:07] <brenner> !bot
[06:07] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[06:07] <vitriol> brenner: 686
[06:07] <Seveas> bigbootay, ubotu is a bot
[06:07] <brenner> bigbootay: ubotu is a bot....*we* are the humans
[06:07] <brenner> :)
[06:07] <bigbootay> hilarious
[06:08] <Kyral> !lart Ubotu
[06:08] <vitriol> lol
[06:08] <Kyral> wtf is VAXen?
[06:08] <pcharky> Hey all!
[06:08] <bigbootay> a bot to warn against ubuntuguide.org?  or does it do more?
[06:08] <vitriol> a herd of VAX!!
[06:08] <apokryphos> hi pcharky
[06:08] <brenner> bigbootay: what probs are you having?
[06:08] <vitriol> s/box/VAX
[06:09] <brenner> vitriol: dunno, can't really think of anything else sorry
[06:09] <bigbootay> no problems.  just that I mentioned to someone last week that ubuntuguide.org had a recipe for installing xine.  some people said not to plug it and go for wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:09] <brenner> bigbootay: that's the general feeling in here, yes
[06:09] <bigbootay> w.u.c doesn't have anyithing on xine, though.  so I was wondering what is wrong with ug.org?
[06:09] <brenner> !ubuntuguide
[06:09] <theeil> can i/how do it change the sudo password to be different from the user's password?
[06:09] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[06:10] <brenner> bigbootay: i.e. no explanations
[06:10] <Chloe> salut, existe t il un endroit rserv aux 25 35 ans de belgique svp??
[06:10] <Seveas> Chloe, stick to english in here please
[06:10] <brenner> theeil: the sudo password *is* your password
[06:11] <Seveas> !tell theeil about sudo
[06:11] <theeil> brenner: does that not defeat the purpose....?
[06:11] <Trackilizer> hey guys, i need your help
[06:11] <Seveas> theeil, no...
[06:11] <pcharky> Trackilizer: bring it on ;)
[06:11] <BirdFish> In order to install a package (say my nvidia drivers) I should download them to the computer and then open the terminal and enter the install command, right?  Or should I do it through synaptic manager?
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell Chloe about fr
[06:11] <Trackilizer> when i first installed ubuntu it asked me which eth device i wanted to use
[06:11] <Trackilizer> so i chose 1
[06:12] <theeil> if i am loged onto the computer, then i know the password
[06:12] <Trackilizer> but since then eth 1 has been removed
[06:12] <Trackilizer> and i am using another device
[06:12] <bigbootay> theeil, you configure sudo so that certain users can run certain commands.  You only have to know you're password to do the commands at that point.
[06:12] <sean_> can you sudo su - then passwd root?
[06:12] <ray_> BirdFish: are the nvidia drivers in synaptic?
[06:12] <brenner> theeil: how so?  the sudo loses effect after a time period iirc
[06:12] <Trackilizer> how do i change the ethernet settings
[06:12] <bigbootay> theeil, you may have stepped away and someone wants to do something as_you_.
[06:12] <Seveas> sean_, sudo passwd root will work too
[06:12] <Trackilizer> so ubuntu knows it should use another device
[06:12] <BirdFish> ray_ I couldn't find them.  Let me check again
[06:12] <Seveas> theeil, yes *you* know, but a malicious program not
[06:12] <pcharky> Trackilizer: edit /etc/network/interfaces. sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:12] <Trackilizer> not the one stated in the installation
[06:13] <sean_> cool :) i like this setup
[06:13] <ray_> !nvidia
[06:13] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[06:13] <Trackilizer> well i cant do the stuff you guys suggest cause im in windows
[06:13] <ray_> BirdFish: ^
[06:13] <theeil> so it's sort of for if the screensaver lock in not on yet?
[06:13] <ray_> BirdFish: follow those instructions
[06:13] <Trackilizer> i coulndt get online with ubuntu
[06:13] <Trackilizer> what should i change in there
[06:14] <Trackilizer> ?
[06:14] <brenner> bigbootay: personally, if you're fine using ubuntuguide, go ahead.....but i find asking in here, and the generally much higher quality of information in the wiki to be the better alternative
[06:14] <Trackilizer> i want to use the other device suggested in the installation proccess
[06:14] <pcharky> Trackilizer: try replacint the eth1 entries with eth0. Maybe that works. If it doesn't try to come back on a separate pc/laptop to actively hunt down the problem ;)
[06:14] <stram> it is normal for a new install not to have a swap partition?
[06:14] <ray_> BirdFish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:14] <Kyral> !flash
[06:14] <ubotu> I heard flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:15] <Trackilizer> i see
[06:15] <Trackilizer> oh well!
[06:15] <bigbootay> brenner, I understand.
[06:15] <ThePyromaniac> is the guy i was talking to about WoW and Wine still on
[06:15] <pcharky> Trackilizer: After you altered the file, run: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:16] <sean_> ThePyromaniac, are you IRC'in as root? lol
[06:16] <Trackilizer> all i want to do is use the other deivice suggested by ubuntu in the installation
[06:16] <H0lyD4wg> my system hangs when i try to mount a cdrom. what could be the reason? (i know that the drive is at least partially ok: i booted the liveCD i'm running on now from it)
[06:16] <Trackilizer> so that will do that for me?
[06:16] <ThePyromaniac> maybe... :$
[06:16] <sean_> pssh, bad bad habit
[06:16] <ray_> H0lyD4wg: have you installed ubuntu yet?
[06:16] <Trackilizer> i see
[06:17] <Trackilizer> well thanks guys
[06:17] <Trackilizer> ill try that
[06:17] <Trackilizer> bye
[06:17] <XandriX> ehh could not stat source package list packages /var/lib/apt/lists
[06:17] <cohonen> what do i need to be able to run make menuconfig for building a new kernel
[06:17] <H0lyD4wg> ray_: yes
[06:17] <cohonen> it emits a nasty error
[06:17] <pcharky> cohonen: apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[06:17] <brenner> bigbootay: of course, if there aren't any wiki pages, you're probably looking for the wrong thing....e.g. instead of looking for how to install xine, someone should have pointed you to the wiki's synaptic howto so you could learn how to install applications
[06:17] <meeep> ehm... why can't i play music in xmms? it stucks when i press play :/
[06:17] <XandriX> what does that error i just got ?
[06:18] <brenner> meeep: ctrl+p, then change the output plugin to esound
[06:18] <meeep> THX!
[06:18] <cohonen> pcharky, thx mate
[06:18] <brenner> meeep: btw, beep-media-player is a prettier xmms "clone"
[06:19] <bigbootay> brenner, eek!  Can I stick with apt-get :)
[06:19] <XandriX> ermm can anyone help ?
[06:19] <H0lyD4wg> ray_: i'm talking about what happens when i try to mount a CD from the system booted from HD. i'm not trying to mount a CD from within a Gentoo liveCD and ask for help about it here from all places.
[06:19] <meeep> brenner: can i get it via a get-apt?
[06:19] <brenner> bigbootay: of course you can!
[06:19] <brenner> meeep: of course you can!
[06:19] <brenner> :)
[06:19] <thoreauputic> can someon type my nick please?
[06:19] <brenner> thoreauputic:
[06:20] <meeep> ok. ehm.. well... how? (installed ubuntu yesterday :S (
[06:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, hi
[06:20] <thoreauputic> brenner: thanks
[06:20] <XandriX> thoreauputic, can u help me a lil i keep getting the couldnt stat sour package list
[06:20] <brenner> meeep: have you enable universe?
[06:20] <meeep> hard to say :P
[06:20] <brenner> :)
[06:20] <meeep> (ie no clue at all)
[06:20] <brenner> !repos
[06:21] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:21] <meeep> thx
[06:21] <thoreauputic> XandriX: apt-get update? Fix your sources list?
[06:21] <XandriX> thoreauputic,  how do i fix it ?
[06:22] <brenner> bigbootay: someone should have at least told you to install xine-ui then?
[06:22] <thoreauputic> !sources
[06:22] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:22] <kristian> slt
[06:22] <sean_> swapiness for a 64mb machine? whats a good value? i figure 40?
[06:22] <kristian> bye
[06:22] <bigbootay> brenner, yeah ubuntuguide.org told me :)
[06:22] <brenner> lol
[06:23] <no_dammagE> char *x=(char*)malloc(2); char *foo="bar"; strncpy(x,foo+1,1); - what's wrong here?
[06:23] <brenner> bigbootay: ah well..
[06:23] <GoClick> I made a .deb file from a .rpm file using alien, now how do I install it?
[06:23] <kemik> no_dammagE:  this really isnt a programming channel ;)
[06:23] <H0lyD4wg> an Ubuntu system which i have installed on my HD hangs when i try to mount a CD. i have successfully mounted CDs on this system in the past. i know that the drive is at least partially ok because it successfully boots.
[06:23] <kemik> no_dammagE:  try #C or #C++
[06:23] <no_dammagE> I know :)
[06:23] <brenner> GoClick: dpkg -i <package>
[06:23] <brenner> GoClick: should be avoided though...have you checked the repos for the app?
[06:23] <GoClick> Will it let me know if I'm missing any dependancies?
[06:24] <GoClick> brenner it's redhat-config-samba
[06:24] <no_dammagE> my xchat is bloated again, it sent this to all channels *grr*, restarting ... :)
[06:24] <GoClick> And no it's not there :(
[06:24] <brenner> GoClick: yes, it will tell you of dependencies
[06:24] <no_dammagE> now it should be ok, sorry for disturbance
[06:25] <brenner> lol
[06:25] <meeep> brenner: cant find that esound anywhere? :S
[06:25] <gnorr> anybody know anything about povray?
[06:25] <brenner> meeep: look for output plugin
[06:25] <GoClick> gnorr I do
[06:25] <XandriX> thx thoreauputic
[06:26] <thoreauputic> np
[06:26] <meeep> sound i/o *something*module?
[06:26] <meeep> brenner, is that right place?
[06:26] <brenner> meeep: xmms or bmp?
[06:26] <meeep> xmms
[06:26] <brenner> er, haven't used it in a while, but you should be looking for a plugins section, and an output tab i think
[06:27] <meeep> ok, ill keep on looking, where could i get that other player at?
[06:27] <uthini> i'm having a wierd error with cedega
[06:27] <GoClick> Ok it says it setup redhat-config-samba but I don't know where
[06:27] <uthini> well point to play actually
[06:27] <brenner> meeep: if you've enabled universe, install it with apt-get
[06:27] <catfox> hi all.
[06:27] <kemik> uthini:  #cedega may be of better help
[06:27] <meeep> ok, ty
[06:27] <Kyral> meeep, sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:27] <brenner> meeep: package is called beep-media-player
[06:27] <catfox> i'd like to know how usable colony 3 is. is it ok for day to day usage?
[06:27] <meeep> thx alot both :)
[06:28] <uthini> kemik, its more of a linux issue tho
[06:28] <uthini> says that /dev/hdc doesn't exist
[06:28] <uthini> when its in the fstab
[06:28] <n3x4> I used breezy sources to update my system, and now whenever X starts, it goes into fail safe mode, and never into gnome, kde, etc. anyone know a solution to this problem?
[06:29] <brenner> n3x4: you upgraded to breezy? or just used some breezy packages?
[06:29] <uthini> n3x4, doesn't it bring up the login scren?
[06:29] <kemik> uthini:  i assume you have a /dev/hdc then? try "sudo fdsik -l"
[06:29] <kemik> fdisk*
[06:30] <brenner> anyway, in both cases, i'd say try to reconfigure the xorg package
[06:30] <bipolar> are the OpenOffice2 Packages comming right from debian or are they managed by an ubuntu dev? They need updating badly.
[06:30] <n3x4> brenner, I added the lines for breezy into apt sources.list, but I also left hoary in it, and I updated it several weeks ago, and then my system was messed up, and now I've managed to fix it somewhat by being able to go into fail safe mode only
[06:30] <n3x4> uthini, nope it doesn't
[06:31] <brenner> i always thought that mixing breezy with hoary would be a no-no
[06:31] <uthini> kemik, all i have is /dev/hda & /dev/hdb
[06:31] <n3x4> brenner, I thought all packages would update to breezy
[06:31] <brenner> only if you do a dist-upgrade isn't it?
[06:32] <n3x4> brenner, that's what I di
[06:32] <Kyral> hey Mez
[06:32] <n3x4> did*
[06:32] <brenner> n3x4: oh, ok.
[06:32] <brenner> n3x4: well, i'd try the reconfigure xorg thing, and if that doesn't work, check the xorg log for any erorrs
[06:33] <kemik> uthini:  well that'd be a problem
[06:33] <uthini> yes
[06:33] <n3x4> brenner, yeah I've reconfigured several times, I guess I'll check the log, thanks
[06:33] <uthini> but where is ubuntu reading the cdrom info from?
[06:33] <brenner> n3x4: sure good luck
[06:33] <H0lyD4wg> where should one seek help when mounting makes the system hang?
[06:33] <n3x4> brenner, do you know by any chance what the command for the login screen is?
[06:35] <n3x4> brb
[06:36] <kemik> uthini:  your cdrom?
[06:36] <kemik> *away: food*
[06:38] <pudland> can someone help me with vlc avi play?
[06:38] <robotgeek> pudland: it should play fine, what is the problem?
[06:39] <pudland> robotgeek: when i open avi from cd it just sits there
[06:39] <pudland> robotgeek: it plays mp3, wav ok
[06:39] <aurax> hello
[06:39] <pudland> robotgeek: i used apt-get to install and rebooted
[06:39] <robotgeek> pudland: it doesn't play avi files
[06:40] <pudland> robotgeek: oooohhhh, i thought there was a plugin
[06:40] <spidna> hey guys can someone help with edit kde menue to add enlightenment, after apt-get i cannot launch enlightenment from sessions screen
[06:40] <robotgeek> pudland: there is none
[06:41] <pudland> robotgeek: hmm ok, thanks.  do you know about its ease to stream out?
[06:41] <Xappe> robotgeek: what? vlc not playing .avi?
[06:42] <robotgeek> pudland: never tried it
[06:42] <robotgeek> Xappe: vlc pretty much plays anything? pudland has the problem
[06:42] <Xappe> ah
[06:42] <GoClick> I used the network settings panel to add more dns servers and they didn't add
[06:43] <pudland> robotgeek: so vlc wont play avi's at all
[06:43] <Xappe> robotgeek: the drag of jumping into conversations :)
[06:43] <bedi> i have an original play2 dvd and i will create a backup from it, can i make it whit gnomebaker ?
[06:43] <robotgeek> spidna: add enlightenment to .xsession file, and choose the first option in kdm
[06:43] <robotgeek> Xappe: :)
[06:44] <spidna> rootgeek what is the path to do that
[06:45] <carajean> anybody know what drivers for nvidia come with ubuntu?
[06:46] <robotgeek> spidna: edit ~/.xsession and add "exec elightenment"
[06:47] <IcemanV9> !info nvidia
[06:47] <robotgeek> spidna: at the end
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> bedi,  play2 ?
[06:48] <bedi> Dr_Willis, playstation 2
[06:49] <Spear> hi !
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> bedi,  thats a large area with lots of pitfalls.. in short you proberly cant backup the disk with gnomebaker, and if you could - the ps2 would see its a copy and not play it.. Unless ya got it mod-chipped.. and THAT gets into yet another grey area.
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> bedi,  ive seen a few sites that detail how to do what you want. but ive never done it.
[06:49] <Spear> hi goclick
[06:49] <IcemanV9> carajean: apt-cache search nvidia (it'll give you the list)
[06:49] <GoClick> hi
[06:49] <Spear> hi zeedo
[06:50] <smudo> Question about KDE...
[06:50] <Spear> wow ...
[06:50] <GoClick> Ubuntu doesn't have a nice little GUI for samba configuration does it?
[06:50] <cohonen> kde dadadad
[06:50] <smudo> I keep getting "Can't open default user face" and possibly related to that, I can't log in.  I get the login screen, but no KDE...just goes back to the login screen.
[06:50] <pcharky> GoClick: System->Administration->Shared Folders
[06:51] <zeedo> Spear: hi
[06:51] <GoClick> pcharky,  that doesn't let me add users and stuff tho
[06:51] <clem_yeats> click://
[06:51] <Spear> i just created an initrd using " mkinitrd " command ... now i' d like to remove it ... can i simply erase the initrd from /boot and from /lib/modules/initrd or is there a cleaner way using the command ?
[06:52] <carajean> ok now ice u must know a simple way to install up to date nvidia drivers
[06:52] <ThePyromaniac> can anyone help me install wine?
[06:52] <apokryphos> !wine
[06:52] <ThePyromaniac> its being a cunt
[06:53] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell ThePyromaniac about wine
[06:53] <pcharky> carajean: carajean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:53] <pestilence> is there a graphical rc.d configuration tool?
[06:53] <GoClick> pcharky, I need something mostly for user and permissions configurations, also when I use add share and make a share and then try and access it from my windows machine it doesn't work even if I use the same username and password as the owner of the folder on the ubuntu machine
[06:53] <Jowi> pestilence: yes. it's called BUM (bootupmanager)
[06:53] <smudo> GoClick:  have you tried using Webmin?
[06:53] <Spear> so, no idea about my initrd question ?
[06:54] <spidna> i'm still having problem with editing ~/ .xsession it is a read only file
[06:54] <GoClick> Webmin didn't cut it for me
[06:54] <pcharky> GoClick: There is a tool but I forgot the name. sorry.
[06:54] <pestilence> Jowi: what is the package name?
[06:54] <IcemanV9> spidna: sudo gedit ~/.xsession
[06:55] <Jowi> pestilence: no package. http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[06:55] <pcharky> spidna: chmod a+w ~/.xsession
[06:55] <clem_yeats> Spear: I was looking at the man page... there doesn't seem to be a rminitrd or so..
[06:55] <GoClick> RedHat EL comes with an ok one but I refuse to use it... :P
[06:55] <pestilence> Jowi: oh.
[06:55] <smudo> GoClick:  Then I'm guessing there isn't a GUI tool to suit you.  Webmin is very comprehensive.
[06:55] <bedi> i cannot hear streams with xmms, what plugin i need ?
[06:55] <pcharky> spidna: sorry s/a/u/
[06:55] <larsrohdin> is there any free internet tv tuners for linux?
[06:55] <Spear> thank you cleam yeats, i didn't find any either
[06:55] <Jowi> pestilence: it will be in breezy but is easy to get going in hoary anyway
[06:56] <GoClick> Also is there a way to get Synaptic not to ask about the CD because I can't always be fetching a CD to install packages
[06:56] <ThePyromaniac> thanks for the links guys, i already had that page thought. i had troubles with cvs not working, so tried other methods, but now it works ^^
[06:56] <pcharky> GoClick: Remove the cd from the sources list.
[06:56] <Spear> so i guess i can simply erase both /boot/initrd-kernel and the from /lib/modules...
[06:56] <clem_yeats> GoClick: what about windows ? Start > Programs > Startup
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> GoClick,  edit the sources.list - the first entry is for the cd. comment it out.
[06:57] <clem_yeats> Spear : I really don't know.. the man isn't addressing this subject at all..
[06:57] <Spear> i' ll try ... if it's a disaster, i'll tell you ;)
[06:57] <Spear> thanks
[06:57] <clem_yeats> lol
[06:58] <Spear> :D
[06:58] <clem_yeats> good luck and may the source be with you !
[06:58] <Spear> " If it works, don't fix it "
[06:58] <Spear> bye !
[06:58] <clem_yeats> see you
[06:58] <Spear> thanks again
[06:59] <spike> hey there
[07:00] <spike> I don't get is the sources for libgpgme11 are available from breezy or not
[07:00] <mirko> #ubuntu-de
[07:00] <spike> according to packages.ubuntu.org the pkg exists, but it does say if it's in universe or anything, and I can't apt-get it
[07:00] <benjamin1254> my browser is unstable how would u recommend i fix it... when i run it after clicking links like 5 or 6 times sometimes not even that it closes itself out
[07:01] <clem_yeats> benjamin1254: which browser is it ?
[07:01] <bedi> i cannot hear streams with xmms, what plugin i need ?
[07:02] <robotgeek> benjamin1254: x86/ppc?
[07:02] <benjamin1254> x86
[07:02] <benjamin1254> firfox
[07:02] <benjamin1254> firefox
[07:02] <robotgeek> benjamin1254: try disabling java and revisit those sites
[07:03] <benjamin1254> disable java.. its most of the time on ebay when im kicked out of there
[07:03] <No1Viking> !plugins
[07:03] <ubotu> I don't know, No1Viking
[07:03] <robotgeek> bedi: check if your input plugin has streaming support
[07:04] <benjamin1254> but ill check n be back with u guys
[07:04] <x[x] > hey
[07:04] <x[x] > i wanna download VLC for ubuntu
[07:04] <x[x] > but im not sure what "kind" it is ..have al ook here http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[07:04] <x[x] > thanks
[07:04] <pcharky>  x[x]  apt-get install vlc
[07:04] <robotgeek> x[x] : apt-get install vlc
[07:05] <scav> why doesnt ubuntu implement E 16.8 ?
[07:05] <x[x] > huh?
[07:05] <pcharky> x[x] : check apt-cache search vlc for availbable plugins.
[07:05] <x[x] > i dont get u robotgeek?
[07:05] <crashd> scav: you can apt-get it
[07:05] <x[x] > oh
[07:05] <x[x] > ook..
[07:05] <x[x] > how do i do that lol?
[07:05] <scav> crashd: I only get "enlightenment is up to date".. running e 16.6
[07:05] <carajean> ThePyrpmaniac: I sent u a message.
[07:05] <roham_> hmm does quake2 work ? cause I can find it in apt-cache... ?
[07:06] <mikus> hello i have problem with Ubuntu 2.1 DEV-BUILDER
[07:06] <crashd> scav: did you logout and change your profile?
[07:06] <pcharky> scav: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105&page=1
[07:06] <mikus> no changes required to kernel install but broken location??
[07:06] <robotgeek> x[x] : use synaptic to get vlc
[07:06] <x[x] > LOL
[07:06] <x[x] > man
[07:06] <mikus> devbuilder install does not work for me
[07:06] <mikus> ccan someone give me advice?
[07:06] <x[x] > i installed ubuntu there a few days ago
[07:07] <robotgeek> ubotu tell x[x]  about vlc
[07:07] <benjamin1254> thank u so so so so so so much so far no instability issues what other browsers do u guys recommend
[07:07] <robotgeek> !info vlc
[07:07] <x[x] > ooh
[07:07] <x[x] > i see it now
[07:07] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[07:07] <exaS> hi ppl
[07:07] <liquidfire> !nvidia
[07:07] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[07:07] <exaS> is it possible install windows on ubuntu ???
[07:07] <liquidfire> yes exaS
[07:07] <liquidfire> but i don't know myself :/
[07:08] <roham_> !quake
[07:08] <ubotu> roham_: Are you on ritalin?
[07:08] <exaS> where can i find an wiki or something ?
[07:08] <roham_> !quake2
[07:08] <liquidfire> !quake
[07:08] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, roham_
[07:08] <liquidfire> :p
[07:08] <clem_yeats> exaS : it doesn't make sense
[07:08] <roham_> heh
[07:08] <liquidfire> !shortcuts
[07:08] <ubotu> liquidfire: Are you on ritalin?
[07:08] <exaS> clem_yeats, i need ...
[07:08] <mikus> liquidfire: ADDERAL!
[07:08] <mikus> TAKE YOUR ADDERRALL
[07:08] <benjamin1254> winblows can be run in ubuntu linux with qemu
[07:08] <liquidfire> lol mikelds
[07:08] <liquidfire> mikus,
[07:08] <roham_> Does anybody know if quake2 is free?  or do I need to compile it first?
[07:08] <x[x] > ughh
[07:09] <liquidfire> to be honest I use Ritalin, but thats not why i'm here.
[07:09] <x[x] > on the synaptic package thing ..vlc aint there
[07:09] <kevor> being free has nothing to do with compiling
[07:09] <exaS> clem_yeats, i have an nokia 6630 and i need put pics on my computer... and i don't find any software to do that
[07:09] <liquidfire> I need to know how to make shortcuts
[07:09] <liquidfire> :/
[07:09] <pcharky> roham_: last i knew quake is a commercial product...
[07:09] <exaS> well, i find but its just to windows
[07:09] <kevor> exaS: via bluetooth?
[07:09] <liquidfire> anyone :)?
[07:09] <clem_yeats> exaS : you can dual-boot, you can emulate windows programs, you can use virtual machines, there's loads of solutions..
[07:09] <exaS> kevor, nop usb
[07:09] <kevor> maybe you can mount it :P
[07:09] <roham_> pcharky: the souce code is out, so the game should be free?
[07:10] <pcharky> roham_: oh, didn't know that.. cool.
[07:10] <pcharky> roham_: available for linux as well?
[07:10] <exaS> i try to emule with wine, everthing goes fine in install but then, when i try execute the exe nothing happens
[07:10] <clem_yeats> exaS : how about you use windows for that ? And you put your files on your nice FAT32 data dedicated partition...
[07:11] <clem_yeats> exaS : do you have windows ?
[07:11] <roham_> pcharky: the source code is for everybody... heh but I wanna know if the game is free to?
[07:11] <exaS> nop
[07:11] <clem_yeats> ok
[07:11] <kevor> !windows
[07:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[07:11] <clem_yeats> exaS : you only have the windows program for the nokia, do you ?
[07:11] <exaS> clem_yeats,  yes
[07:11] <roham_> anybody.... is quake2 free for download? its in synaptic...
[07:11] <exaS> it's an nokia cdrom with software
[07:12] <clem_yeats> exaS : plug the phone in USB, and type "lsusb"
[07:12] <pcharky> roham_: if it's in synaptic then you can use it free of charge.
[07:12] <exaS> ok
[07:12] <x[x] > are you sure VLC is in synaptec?
[07:12] <x[x] > synaptic*
[07:13] <lars_> does anyone konw any free internet tv tuners for linux?
[07:13] <exaS> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[07:13] <exaS> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 041e:3040 Creative Technology, Ltd
[07:13] <exaS> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[07:13] <exaS> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1267:0210 Logic3 / SpectraVideo plc
[07:13] <exaS> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  what do you mean by that?
[07:13] <roham_> pcharky but it dosnt work
[07:14] <kevor> !qemu
[07:14] <lars_> Dr_Willis, maybe thats not what it is called, but a program to watch free internet tv
[07:14] <ubotu> kevor: Not a clue
[07:14] <pcharky> roham_: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1513
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  xmms and mplayer can view most of the streams that web sites use.
[07:15] <pcharky> roham_: straight from /usr/share/doc/quake2
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  find a site streaming the shows. and go from there is what i say.
[07:15] <leo1> do anyone know how to webforward in afraid.org
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> shoutcast.com works in xmms (not sure if its got any video howver)
[07:15] <jdahm> hey is there any way to be able to sync a camera to a linux box?
[07:16] <spike> erm, hi
[07:16] <spike> I just got this:
[07:16] <funkyHat> i have an interesting idea for a gnome panel applet... a launcher if you left-click it, but a drawer if you middle click it
[07:16] <spike> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5
[07:16] <spike> that's a bit scaring...
[07:17] <spike> running update again fixed the prob but... mmmh, how do you explain that?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> currupted file?
[07:17] <mveers> hi
[07:17] <lars_> Dr_Willis, but I want more like a program that finds free channels for me... A friend of mine has a program like that in windows called "free internet tv"... with that he can just choose programs from a list
[07:17] <notH0lyD4wg> hi. when i try to mount a CD from my Ubuntu system which is installed on my HD the system hangs. what could be the cause of this problem?
[07:18] <jdahm> is there any way to get pictures off a camera on linux?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  no idea then.. find the sites hes going to and see what streaming they use..
[07:18] <Mabus> jdahm: gthumb, f-spot, etc
[07:18] <spike> Dr_Willis: mmmh
[07:18] <lars_> Dr_Willis, ok ill try searching around
[07:18] <nevin> jdahm: you can also use nautilus in browser mode, the camera, when plugged in, should appear below Home Folder and Filesystem on the left hand panel
[07:19] <mikus> i find ubuntu to be unstable and deeply unsatisfying
[07:19] <mikus> please fix
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  like http://www.wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://www.wwitv.com/television/248.htm
[07:19] <jdahm> nevin, ah sweet
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> i find ubuntu to be very stable... odd...
[07:19] <occy> is ubuntuguide.org still frowned upon?
[07:20] <occy> like, if you want to install skype and stuff
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> occy,  yea sort of. :P i use it all the time however.
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> :P since i dont need an 'explanation' of what the commands are doing.
[07:21] <occy> well, they want you to use their apt sources.
[07:21] <occy> :/
[07:21] <tobias__> hi
[07:22] <funkyHat> occy, their apt sources break stuff
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> 'their' ?  they just had a huge list of sources last i looked. not any that belonged to the 'ubuntuguide' people ..
[07:22] <funkyHat> or can do
[07:22] <tobias__> kann mir vielleicht jemand das standard root passwd fr ubuntu sagen?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> I add their sources.. install what i want, then remove them.
[07:22] <funkyHat> the backports one specifically
[07:22] <lars_> Dr_Willis, http://www.holersoft.net/tv.htm thats the prgram he's using
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Yea - ive heard to be VERY carefull when using backport.
[07:22] <hopeng> how to upgrade gaim 1.5 ?
[07:22] <funkyHat> occy, if you do enable ubuntu backports, don't allow your system to upgrade any of your other packages, get the one you want and then disable it again
[07:23] <kemik> backports is official though is it not ?
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  most of the streams i am finding need realplayer. :P or windows media player..  lol.
[07:23] <capullo> hi!
[07:23] <funkyHat> occy, hoary-extras is ok though, that's just extra packages
[07:23] <robotgeek> hopeng: u might need to compile your own
[07:23] <lars_> Dr_Willis, ok
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  that lame thing is a 14 day demo also... i was about to isntall it on my windows box.. but i think i will pass now. :P
[07:24] <capullo> i need some info about ubuntu and dell inspiron6000
[07:24] <occy> funkyHat, :/
[07:24] <tobias__> do someone know the standard passwd for root
[07:24] <lars_> Dr_Willis, how to pm?
[07:24] <kemik> tobias__:  there is none
[07:24] <kemik> !sudo
[07:24] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:24] <kemik> !root
[07:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:24] <funkyHat> what occy ?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> lars_,  /msg whoever :P
[07:24] <kemik> go read tobias__ ... ^
[07:24] <occy> funkyHat, well, not sure how to do all that.
[07:24] <tobias__> but he won't let me in
[07:24] <BirdFish> Is there a general page that I could go to that sort of explained how to install things?
[07:25] <occy> funkyHat, don't know anything really about backports or hoary-extras
[07:25] <ThePyromaniac> WINE Installer v0.75
[07:25] <ThePyromaniac> The source directory is not writable. You probably extracted the sources as root.
[07:25] <ThePyromaniac> You should remove the source tree and extract it again as a normal user.
[07:25] <kemik> !java
[07:25] <ThePyromaniac> help, i was installing wine and it says
[07:25] <ubotu> java is, like, totally, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:25] <Blissex> BirdFish: depends what you mean by ''install things'', but yes, some
[07:26] <BirdFish> Blissed: I want to install my mainboard drivers and acrobat reader for starters.  I'm just not sure where to begin
[07:26] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  did you extract it as root or using "sudo" ?
[07:26] <capullo> who can help me? ubuntu 5.04 and dell i6000
[07:26] <ThePyromaniac> as root
[07:26] <BirdFish> Blissex*
[07:26] <Kyral> capullo, depends on your problem
[07:26] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  well the errormsg says what todo then
[07:26] <ThePyromaniac> ahh right
[07:26] <Blissex> BirdFish: OK, thats a bit clearer. Ubuntu uses the DPKG and APT package and dependency management systems.
[07:26] <ThePyromaniac> i just got what it meant ^^
[07:27] <ThePyromaniac> what does it mean by remove source tree?
[07:27] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  in general; DONT BE ROOT
[07:27] <ThePyromaniac> delete all code?
[07:27] <capullo> well, it's only for install ubuntu there
[07:27] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  yes
[07:27] <Blissex> BirdFish: in practice you should always use APT instead of DPKG directly, and there are several APT interfaces.
[07:27] <black13> is there a guide to rebuild the kernel for ubuntu?
[07:27] <kemik> ThePyromaniac:  only use root when necessary.. and then use "sudo"
[07:27] <ThePyromaniac> thanks
[07:27] <barongas> Birdfish: try sudo apt-get install xpdf
[07:27] <Blissex> BirdFish: the most ''user friendly'' APT program is probably the Synaptic one.
[07:28] <capullo> i need links and/or howto or so
[07:28] <carajean> ok those binary drivers are messed up my screen looks like a dull rainbow now
[07:28] <barongas> Birdfish: Or listen to Blissex, he talks like a human being :)
[07:28] <ThePyromaniac> oh btw, why cant KDE users delete folders?
[07:28] <carajean> can someone tell me how to fix this?
[07:28] <Kyral> capullo, I don't mean to sound rude, but try it first, then we can help with any problems
[07:28] <BirdFish> barongas: :P
[07:28] <barongas> ThePyromaniac: have you tried rmdir <folder>
[07:28] <Blissex> BirdFish: the Ubuntu Wiki has some summary introduction to APT and Synaptic, and so do various introductions to Debian and the Debian doc site (Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian).
[07:28] <carajean> i can barely see what im typing
[07:28] <carajean> please help
[07:28] <ThePyromaniac> sweet, hold down shift and u can delete withoutsending to trash
[07:29] <leo1> do anyone has expirence with freedns.afraid.org
[07:29] <ThePyromaniac> screw command line when u can do it with shift!
[07:29] <BirdFish> Blissex: I'll check those out :)
[07:29] <capullo> Kyral, ok i try, many thaks
[07:29] <barongas> :)
[07:29] <Blissex> carajean: that's probably because it is a laptop LCD and laptop LCDs are often wired strangely.
[07:29] <capullo> thanks
[07:29] <Kyral> eww, laptop screens
[07:29] <carajean> srry im not on a laptop
[07:29] <Kyral> honestly, Linux needs MUCHO work on a laptop :P
[07:29] <carajean> im on a desktop
[07:29] <Kyral> ATi or Nvidia?
[07:29] <Blissex> carajean: then that should not really happen... Weird. What kind of card?
[07:29] <carajean> nvidia
[07:29] <carajean> 6200 agp
[07:30] <Kyral> !nvidia
[07:30] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[07:30] <barongas> Is there a way in gnome, like in kde to use your keyboard to tab between workspaces?
[07:30] <Kyral> try those if you haven't
[07:30] <carajean> NOOO more binary drivers that what messed it up
[07:30] <kevor> barongas: Ctrl-Alt Left/Right
[07:30] <Kyral> carajean, those work...
[07:30] <barongas> kevor: sweet, thanks
[07:30] <kevor> np
[07:30] <Kyral> I know, I'm running on a GeForce FX 5500 with those drivers
[07:30] <Blissex> carajean: or else just edit the X config to switch back to the 'nv' driver.
[07:31] <carajean> yeah then why does my screen look  like some messed up kinder garden drawing
[07:31] <Blissex> carajean: note however that usually the NVIDIA drivers either work or don't, more than messing up things.
[07:31] <carajean> ok then can u suggest another way of installing them other than the binary ones?
[07:31] <Blissex> carajean: it may be that you have an LCD on a desktop and you have configured the screen size wrong, and that would not depend on the driver.
[07:32] <funkyHat> occy, read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:32] <carajean> no lcd regular crt
[07:32] <capullo> bye
[07:32] <jdahm> hey When I tried importing them, it worked at first but then when I logged in to a different user and tried to import the photos it claimed "Unknown Device"
[07:32] <liquidfire> can i force my monitor to go into higher resolutions
[07:32] <liquidfire> i added the vertical and horizontal hertz
[07:33] <liquidfire> but it won't go higer
[07:33] <carajean> brb restart so i can see
[07:33] <barongas> liquidfire Don't go higher than the manual says, might break it.
[07:33] <liquidfire> no barongas
[07:33] <liquidfire> I know it can go higer
[07:33] <liquidfire> Higer
[07:33] <liquidfire> omg
[07:33] <liquidfire> higher :p
[07:33] <liquidfire> Because I read the ini file
[07:33] <liquidfire> and it says on 1024-` it can go 120 hertz
[07:34] <liquidfire> but i can't go higher then 85
[07:34] <carajean> ok i can see now did anyone say anything as to how to install nvidia drivers properly
[07:34] <carajean> ?
[07:34] <barongas> liquidfire: Generally you just adjust to the correct syncs and add the screen resolution under monitor or screen, keep mixing those up. Then gnome should be able to change to a higher res
[07:34] <liquidfire> via the x.org config ?
[07:34] <barongas> liquidfire: yes.
[07:34] <liquidfire> this is wierd i put the right numbers ?
[07:35] <liquidfire> carajean, whats your problem then ?
[07:35] <occy> funkyHat, tx
[07:35] <carajean> i cant install nvidia drivers for some reason
[07:35] <barongas> liquidfire: Subsection "Display", Modes
[07:35] <liquidfire> did you try compiling them yourself ?
[07:36] <liquidfire> that worked for me
[07:36] <liquidfire> I've got a guide here
[07:36] <scav> still cant find E 16.8 with apt-get, says my 16.6 is up to date :|
[07:36] <carajean> i tried the binary ones that everyone kept telling me to do
[07:36] <liquidfire> wait a sec
[07:36] <carajean> but i got a weird rainbow dull affect
[07:36] <kemik> scav:  maybe thats the latest versionin the repositories?
[07:36] <carajean> how to compile them myself remember i am a newb at this
[07:36] <liquidfire> carajean, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[07:36] <liquidfire> read that
[07:36] <liquidfire> that works 100%
[07:37] <liquidfire> for me
[07:37] <liquidfire> don't forget to delete your old drivers
[07:37] <liquidfire> i.e the ones from syntapic
[07:37] <jdahm> hey how o I add someone to the sudoers file?
[07:37] <jdahm> *do
[07:37] <funkyHat> jdahm, you don't, add them to the 'admin' group
[07:37] <carajean> how do i delete those real wuick
[07:38] <carajean> quick*?
[07:38] <liquidfire> via the syntapic manager
[07:38] <liquidfire> but read the guide first
[07:38] <liquidfire> instructions are on the end
[07:38] <funkyHat> carajean, apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[07:38] <leo1> how to fix port 80 blocked by isp
[07:38] <DD|afk> call your isp :P
[07:40] <barongas> leo1: What isp are you using?
[07:41] <DD|afk> is it possible to install i386 packages on the x64 version?
[07:41] <leo1> united pan-europe isp
[07:42] <barongas> leo1 Don't know abou them, but call em and see, otherwse you'll have to run 8080
[07:42] <jkindy> were can i get telnet?
[07:43] <apokryphos> DD|afk: you'll have to chroot
[07:43] <smudo> jkindy it should be installed already.
[07:43] <NoUse> jkindy why do you want telnet?
[07:43] <DD|afk> ok thx :)
[07:43] <jdahm> I get this error: An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x4a9, product 0x30b5). Make sure this device is connected to the computer." when I try to import photos, (it worked once I few minutes ago_
[07:43] <Jhair> DD|afk, AFAIK they should work (if the needed libraries are available), but which package do you need that is only available for i386 and not x64?
[07:43] <jkindy> were would it be
[07:43] <smudo> jkindy try "which telnet"
[07:43] <theeil> where is grub.conf?
[07:43] <leo1> ya, i run port 8080
[07:43] <apokryphos> theeil: it's menu.lst
[07:44] <apokryphos>  /boot/grub
[07:44] <smudo> jkiindy:  what are you going to use telnet for?
[07:44] <jdahm> theeil, isnt it in /boot/grub?
[07:44] <leo1> but how to people access when type www.mysite.com
[07:44] <theeil> ah, thanks
[07:44] <jkindy> umm wat ever i want
[07:44] <ThePyromaniac> anyone else here a WoW fan?
[07:44] <NoUse> jkindy you know its horribly insecure right?
[07:45] <heix> hi
[07:45] <smudo> jkindy:  you might consider using a more secure alternative like ssh.
[07:45] <jkindy> wat ssh?
[07:45] <smudo> jkindy:  I use telnet to test open ports like mail...telnet hostname smtp
[07:45] <smudo> jkindy:  then I get the banner from the mail server.
[07:45] <heix> my mouse scroll button dount work? what can i do to fix it
[07:45] <smudo> jkindy:  but for doing a remote login, use ssh.
[07:46] <jkindy> were can i get ssh
[07:46] <apokryphos> heix: edit your xorg.conf to enable scroll events from the wheel
[07:46] <smudo> jkindy:  that way your login and entire session is encrypted.
[07:46] <smudo> jkindy:  which ssh
[07:46] <smudo> should already be installed
[07:46] <jkindy> were would it be ....srry brand new to this
[07:46] <HackBenjamin> how do i add and remove things from the default runlevel?
[07:47] <smudo> jkindy:  in your terminal, just type ssh hostname
[07:47] <DD|afk> Jhair i ran Ubuntu on a P4 and now it's time to install in on my AMD64 computer, so i checked if everything worked allright with the live cd and it did. I am not familiar with the x64 version, i just want to know if the latest version of Firefox is available i.e.
[07:47] <apokryphos> !packages
[07:47] <ubotu> You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <apokryphos> DD|afk: you can use that
[07:47] <liquidfire> yes DD|afk
[07:47] <liquidfire> i'm running amd64
[07:47] <liquidfire> as we speak
[07:47] <liquidfire> 1.06 firefox
[07:48] <DD|afk> ah :)
[07:48] <ThePyromaniac> how do i get around this?
[07:48] <liquidfire> be sure to add the amd64 repositories
[07:48] <ThePyromaniac> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:48] <DD|afk> uhuh
[07:48] <jkindy> i typed in ssh hostname and got name or service unknown
[07:48] <liquidfire> only drawback is i can't install wine
[07:48] <liquidfire> =/
[07:48] <HackBenjamin> anyone? how do i add and remove things fromt eh default runlevel (just scripts in /etc/init.d)
[07:48] <DD|afk> just add the amd64 repositories and let the fun begin :P
[07:48] <smudo> jkindy:  you need to replace "hostname" with the actual dns name of the machine you want to connect to.
[07:48] <ThePyromaniac> liquidfire: im using the amd64 version and trying to install wine too
[07:48] <robotgeek> HackBenjamin: man update-rc.d
[07:48] <jkindy> oo ok
[07:49] <DD|afk> thx apokryphos an liquidfire
[07:49] <DD|afk> :)
[07:49] <smudo> jkindy:  you also may need to specify the account name you want to connect to.
[07:49] <HackBenjamin> robotgeek: cheers
[07:49] <ThePyromaniac> can anyone help me?
[07:49] <smudo> jkindy:  e.g. ssh jkindy@ubuntubox or ssh ubuntubox -l jkindy
[07:50] <jkindy> thanks
[07:50] <shooterae5> Xorg quit starting up automaticly after my last update. Can someone help me with editing the startup script
[07:50] <HackBenjamin> is ivman available in the amd64 repos? (cant seem to find it)
[07:50] <smudo> jkindy:  no worries
[07:51] <smudo> now, back to my problem...
[07:51] <smudo> Anyone want to take a stab at a KDE problem?
[07:51] <HackBenjamin> go on
[07:51] <liquidfire> ThePyromaniac, it seems that wine doesn't support 64bit architecture (yet)
[07:51] <robotgeek> smudo: what's the problem
[07:51] <ThePyromaniac> damn, so i cant play warcraft :'(
[07:51] <liquidfire> =/
[07:51] <liquidfire> nope
[07:51] <ThePyromaniac> is this error related to that, or have you found a different error?
[07:51] <ThePyromaniac> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:52] <lukus001> buntu support opentype fonts?
[07:52] <HackBenjamin> Pyromaniac: i used cedega on my amd64 fine... point2play did it all for me
[07:52] <lukus001> does ubuntu*
[07:52] <shooterae5> I cam be reached at shooterae5 on aim
[07:52] <smudo> robotgeek:  I try to log in, and the only thing that happens is I get another login screen.  I'm using KDM
[07:52] <carajean> Liquidfire can u help me real quick
[07:52] <liquidfire> sure if i'm able too
[07:52] <carajean> im tryin to do that guide u gave me
[07:52] <liquidfire> whats up :)
[07:52] <carajean> sudo chmod +x NVIDIA*
[07:52] <carajean> that part
[07:52] <robotgeek> smudo: i think your window manager is crashing or so, try using defaults
[07:53] <carajean> chmod: cannot access `NVIDIA*': No such file or directory
[07:53] <carajean> i get that error
[07:53] <smudo> carajean:  where's the NVIDIA part?
[07:53] <liquidfire> did you put it in your /home/username directory?
[07:53] <lukus001> can anyone tell me if ubuntu supports opentype fonts?
[07:53] <robotgeek> lukus001: hang on
[07:53] <ThePyromaniac> HackBenjamin: problem is im totally broke and cant afford cedga
[07:53] <smudo> robotgeek:  The logs show something about a user face not being able to be opened.
[07:53] <liquidfire> same here HackBenjamin  :(
[07:53] <liquidfire> and i'm only 16 >_>
[07:54] <carajean> ok that was the prob changed folders
[07:54] <HackBenjamin> what version is cvscedega at now? cos i had cedega 4.3.1 working on my 64
[07:54] <HackBenjamin> 3.4.1 rather
[07:54] <HackBenjamin> i think
[07:54] <HackBenjamin> its one of them
[07:55] <ThePyromaniac> ooo, cvs ey? get a buggy version free! w00t
[07:55] <liquidfire> carajean, =] 
[07:55] <gm78> Hey all. Does anyone know what a really good Playstation 1 emulator for Linux is?
[07:55] <HackBenjamin> ThePyromaniac: hey, its better than nothing
[07:55] <ThePyromaniac> damn right
[07:55] <liquidfire> Lol, i just asked my dad no you can't buy it :=/
[07:55] <liquidfire> this sucks
[07:55] <liquidfire> bigtime :@@
[07:55] <HackBenjamin> liquidfire: have you tried cvscedega?
[07:55] <liquidfire> nope
[07:55] <jdahm> How would I make a directory link frm /hdb to some/other/folder?
[07:56] <liquidfire> Any howto ?
[07:56] <robotgeek> lukus001: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[07:56] <smudo> robotgeek:  "Can't open default user face"
[07:56] <HackBenjamin> liquidfire: not sure if its 100% debian proofed but http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cvscedega
[07:56] <lukus001> robotgeek: cheers ill have a read there
[07:56] <HackBenjamin> should be- its just a bash script
[07:56] <smudo> robotgeek:  it's a kdm_greet error which may not be part of the problem.
[07:57] <robotgeek> smudo: can u use gnome or fluxbox?
[07:57] <ero-sennin> oh nos! doom3 won't run on my box
[07:57] <smudo> robotgeek:  They're not installed right now (using Kubuntu).
[07:57] <ero-sennin> it gives me a segment fault 1 error
[07:57] <ero-sennin> :-(
[07:58] <robotgeek> smudo: i guess you should take a look at ~/.xsession-errors then
[07:58] <lukus001> robotgeek: that link is about cleartpye, not opentype isnt it?
[07:59] <Boom> greetings, iam tryin to install kde in  ubuntu  by using apt-get install kde command. its not working, can  someone help please?
[07:59] <robotgeek> lukus001: oh,my bad...followed that, desktop looks neat :)
[07:59] <smudo> robotgeek:  hmmmmm...good start.  It says "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent: line 5: setenv: command not found"
[07:59] <ero-sennin> greeting My video games will not work under ubuntu amd64, i got a lot of opengl errors and a segment fault error code 1; Is this due to the fact I have not installed offical ATI drivers?
[08:00] <Yabden> Boom have you tried apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:00] <jkindy> were can i get Knoppix 4.0 the one that goes on a DVD
[08:00] <smudo> robotgeek:  it's supposed to be a built-in shell command.
[08:00] <Boom> Yabden : i didnt , will do that right away.  thanks
[08:00] <HackBenjamin> anyone got ivman working on amd64?
[08:01] <Boom> Yabden : tried that command, says couldnt find  that package
[08:01] <jkindy> were can i get Knoppix 4.0 the dvd version??
[08:01] <ThePyromaniac> can anyone help me install cvs cedega on amd64 KDE?
[08:01] <Boom> i cannot even get apt-get update workin either
[08:01] <Yabden> yeah you will need to change your sources, im using the sources from http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:01] <HackBenjamin> ThePyromaniac: whats the problem with it?
[08:02] <mojo333> bah, everyone is already asking questions :( here is mine.  I am trying to compile a kernel for 2.6.11-i686, but I cant seem to find the proper linux-source for it.
[08:02] <Yabden> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop works for me with those sources
[08:02] <ThePyromaniac> i dont know how the hell to do it! heh
[08:02] <HackBenjamin> hehe have you tried the script for it?
[08:02] <Boom> Yabden : can u please tell me how to change the source?
[08:03] <Yabden> it describes how on the link i posted
[08:03] <HackBenjamin> ThePyromaiac: http://cvscedega.linux-gamers.net/WineCVS.sh
[08:03] <Boom> yeah iam readin it thanks a lot Yabden
[08:03] <HackBenjamin> then a sh WineCVS.sh should have you do it
[08:03] <ilpum> how can i install windows on a certain partition on my hard drive, without deleting the already installed ubuntu?
[08:03] <Yabden> mojo333 try apt-get source kernelpackagename
[08:04] <Yabden> it will fetch the source + apply the ubuntu patches to it
[08:04] <HackBenjamin> has anyone got project utopia working on amd64? I'm having trouble with ivman
[08:04] <kemik> ilpum:  youll mess up grub
[08:04] <kemik> !recovering
[08:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kemik
[08:04] <jdahm> only adding a user to the admin group doesnt seem to have an effect on whether they can sudo or not, any ideas?
[08:04] <kemik> !recovery
[08:04] <ubotu> kemik: What?
[08:05] <linukso> HackBenjamin: whats wrong with hald and gnome-volume-manager?
[08:05] <levander> There is a single command to umount all samba shares?
[08:05] <kemik> !grub
[08:05] <ubotu> from memory, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:05] <kemik> read that link ilpum
[08:05] <puff> Good afternoon.  I now have my thinkpad (running ubuntu) on a minidock with a larger monitor attached.  Is there any way I can run either dual monitor, or shut off the thinkpad monitor?
[08:05] <Yabden> jdahm you have to add them to /etc/sudoers
[08:05] <black13> i am looking for someone who knows and believes that rebuilding the kernel is a good thing
[08:05] <puff> Er, thinkpad screen.
[08:05] <spola> ilpum: do you have a free partition?
[08:05] <HackBenjamin> black13: well hello then
[08:05] <jdahm> Yabden, Ill do that too
[08:05] <levander> black13: only if you need modules that aren't in one of the stock kernels
[08:06] <smudo> jdahm:  try visudo and see if the admin group is uncommented.
[08:06] <HackBenjamin> levander: like me :D
[08:06] <black13> yes yes can i get an amen!
[08:06] <Boom> Yabden : in that link it says to replace the following - can u please tell me what shld i replace them with ?
[08:06] <black13> i need to have squashfs
[08:06] <ilpum> so, it's not possible without formatting completely?
[08:06] <smudo> jdahm:  it should look like:  %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:06] <jdahm> smudo, its got a % by it
[08:06] <jdahm> ok
[08:06] <HackBenjamin> black13: amen
[08:06] <black13> HackBenjamin lets chat?
[08:07] <kemik> ilpum:  if you have a free partition; yes. if you have free-space; possibly
[08:07] <smudo> jdahm:  do a "su - username" and then id
[08:07] <kemik> ilpum:  depends on the FS and if you can resize it
[08:07] <HackBenjamin> black13: yepyep
[08:07] <smudo> jdahm:  or simpler...just:  id username
[08:08] <smudo> jdahm:  That'll show which groups the person is in.
[08:08] <jdahm> cool
[08:08] <jdahm> got it brb rebooting
[08:08] <ilpum> well, I've got 42 GB free and have GParted installed :)
[08:08] <kemik> ilpum:  then there's no problem.. learn how to use gparted and read the wikipage i gave you
[08:09] <Boom> sorry if this sounds lame , can anyone please explain me what shld i replace the repositories in the link http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:09] <spola> hmmm ... firefox can't find ubuntu.com ... can someone do me a quick favour n give me the ip ?
[08:09] <smudo> robotgeek:  Did you give up on me and KDM or did I just miss a response?
[08:09] <ilpum> Thanks, I hope it works, I just need Windows for games now 8)
[08:09] <robotgeek> smudo: i was away :)
[08:09] <smudo> Boom:  try ubuntu.org
[08:09] <smudo> robotgeek I know the problem
[08:09] <HackBenjamin> anyone PLEASE: how do i get ivman on amd64 working (cant find it in the repositories and doesnt want to compile)
[08:09] <Plasma> Can anyone help me? Windows doesn't show up on the selection screen for which OS you want run.
[08:10] <smudo> robotgeek The Solaris machines keep acting up.  =-)
[08:10] <Boom> 207.126.111.230 spola
[08:10] <kemik> ilpum:  at least if you dont get cedega working ;)
[08:10] <Plasma> When you dualboot.
[08:10] <spola> Boom, thx dewd
[08:10] <robotgeek> smudo: solaris?
[08:10] <Boom> sure
[08:10] <kemik> Plasma:  and you're sure you didnt overwrite your windows partition?
[08:10] <smudo> robotgeek:  That's what keeps pulling me away.
[08:10] <Plasma> I'm pretty sure.
[08:10] <smudo> robotgeek:  while I'm trying to fix this.
[08:10] <Plasma> It was the 10 gig drive.
[08:10] <robotgeek> smudo: :) running debian on there?
[08:10] <Plasma> My windows partition has like 30 gigs now.
[08:11] <Plasma> kemik, I also have a swap partition.
[08:11] <smudo> robotgeek:  sadly no...Solaris 10.
[08:11] <kemik> "fdisk -l" will give you info about your drives etc
[08:11] <smudo> robotgeek:  It's bad when you find AIX a more appealing choice.  =-)
[08:11] <kemik> !grub
[08:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:12] <kemik> try those links Plasma
[08:12] <kemik> it may be agood start
[08:12] <robotgeek> smudo: :)
[08:12] <robotgeek> smudo: so, what's the problem with kde?
[08:12] <smudo> robotgeek:  the login screen (KDM) comes up, I log in, and then the login screen comes back.  KDE won't start.
[08:13] <mojo333> should I install the smp version of linux headers and image if I have a Pentium 4 with hyperthreading?
[08:13] <Plasma> So will this tell me why windows isnt settnig up?
[08:13] <robotgeek> smudo: i thought u said u knew what the problem was
[08:13] <Yabden> you could always disable KDM and add a /home/person/.xinitrc with exec startkde in it
[08:14] <smudo> robotgeek:  I'm not sure.  The log you pointed out has a clue, but not enough to let me know where to fix it.
[08:14] <Yabden> and start it by issuing startx at the command prompt
[08:14] <occy> How to Install Vnc2swf (Flash Screen Recorder) on Mac OS X  <-- anything like this for Ubuntu?
[08:14] <smudo> robotgeek:  It shows something about not being able to find setenv.
[08:14] <HackBenjamin> erm, is there an ubuntu-amd64 forum?
[08:14] <smudo> robotgeek:  setenv is a built-in command to the tcsh.
[08:14] <HackBenjamin> channel rather
[08:15] <jkindy> what is a good distro for security tools
[08:15] <smudo> robotgeek:  It says the problem is in line 5 of "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent"
[08:15] <smudo> jkindy:  for security, use OpenBSD.
[08:16] <robotgeek> smudo: for starter, you could do what Yabden said
[08:16] <smudo> robotgeek:  that line is just eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)
[08:16] <Plasma> Erm, this guide is confusing.
[08:16] <Plasma> I'm still new to Linux. :S
[08:16] <scav> anyone has any idea why my cpu boost to 99% evertime i start video or something in like 640x480 or more? have a celeron 1600 with 512mb ram and ati radeon 7500 mobility video accelrator
[08:16] <scav> on a laptop
[08:16] <robotgeek> smudo: i use bash :)
[08:16] <robotgeek> !lart benjamin1254
[08:16] <smudo> hmmmm...let me check that
[08:17] <Plasma> Kemik  are you still there?
[08:17] <Czubek> Hi
[08:17] <kemik> not much no
[08:17] <Plasma> :(
[08:17] <jkindy> will linux boot from a external HDD
[08:18] <robotgeek> benjamin1254: :)
[08:18] <benjamin1254> yes it shpould
[08:18] <benjamin1254> depending on ur bios
[08:18] <kemik> jkindy:  yes.. if youve got support in bios
[08:18] <HackBenjamin> last time of asking i guess:
[08:18] <HackBenjamin> has anyone got ivman working on amd64?
[08:18] <kemik> Plasma:  what's the trouble then ?
[08:18] <benjamin1254> usb-zip i think it is
[08:18] <smudo> Yabden:  how do I disable KDE?
[08:18] <jkindy> does it depend on the external HDD to have support in the bios
[08:18] <Plasma> kemik: I don't understand the guide
[08:18] <robotgeek> smudo: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:18] <Kyral> install GNOME :P
[08:19] <HackBenjamin> Kyral: install fluxbox ;)
[08:19] <robotgeek> HackBenjamin: install openbox
[08:19] <pirast> lool
[08:20] <HackBenjamin> robotgeek: install all of them :D its all about what suits us personally so try them all
[08:20] <smudo> robotgeek:  Then the login window won't work.  My girlfriend has to use this machine.  She'll never figure this out.  =-)
[08:20] <kemik> Plasma:  did the installer detect your WINXP installation?
[08:20] <robotgeek> smudo: we'll debug this, one step at a time
[08:20] <Ex-Cyber> is it just my imagination, or is network-admin highly useless?
[08:20] <kemik> Plasma:  and there's no Windows XP option when the grub-menu is displayed?
[08:20] <jesper> Anyone who knows about the status of http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ ?
[08:21] <Plasma> kemik: Yes, to both.
[08:21] <smudo> robotgeek:  this could be difficult from 24 miles away.  =-)
[08:21] <Seveas> jesper, ask ogra
[08:21] <ogra> jesper, i'll have time for it after review again
[08:21] <b00m> greetings, can someone tell me whats the default  muisc player in ubuntu , or is it like rh where we have to dowbload music players?
[08:21] <ogra> preview even
[08:21] <smudo> robotgeek:  I may have to check back when I get home.
[08:21] <Plasma> Wait.
[08:21] <pirast> totem i think
[08:21] <Yabden> rythmbox is the default music player
[08:21] <puff> Hm, got this in dmesg on bootup:  Warning: CPU frequency is 2133000, cpufreq assumed 1866000 kHz.
[08:21] <Plasma> I thought you meant in the partition thingy.
[08:21] <osfameron> rhythm box is nice
[08:21] <Yabden> although you can quite easily install xmms, beep or whatever other you want
[08:21] <Plasma> Not when it installed grub.
[08:21] <jesper> ogra: Are you working on it at the moment?
[08:21] <robotgeek> smudo: so, you are actually not at the computer
[08:21] <osfameron> (apart from not being able to add more then X tunes at a time)
[08:21] <HackBenjamin> or even amarok
[08:21] <Plasma> When it installed grub it didn't say anything, I wasn't paying attention.
[08:21] <_frank> Ex-Cyber: well network-admin is the only way I can setup my wireless connection, the KDE config tool doesn't work!
[08:22] <jesper> (or just post-breezy )
[08:22] <Plasma> But if it did say something, it would have made a noise and stuff.
[08:22] <b00m> rythmbox - aight thanks guys .. freenode rocks :D
[08:22] <puff> Note, on rhythmbox, it does not have "rhythmbox" on the GUI, which was a little confusing to me :-).
[08:22] <Plasma> And it would have stopped the installation temporarily.
[08:22] <Seveas> jesper, after the preview release he'll work on it -- that's what he just said...
[08:22] <smudo> robotgeet:  how can I get my paws on breezy?
[08:22] <concept10> puff, you may change that, its only a name.
[08:22] <puff> I still need to take time to sort out the wireless/wired issues - when I boot up it prefers wireless over wired, which leads to confusion.
[08:22] <kemik> Plasma:  try "sudo fdisk -l" on a terminal, and paste the result on pastebin (the stuff in topic)
[08:22] <robotgeek> smudo: i am on hoary myself, havent made the leap
[08:22] <jesper> implicit "preview of breezy not preview of the hwdb"?
[08:23] <Yabden> if you need to add a windows xp line to grub on boot edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:23] <Plasma> What?
[08:23] <ogra> jesper, yes
[08:23] <Plasma> I don't understand. Lol.
[08:23] <Plasma> (The pastebin part)
[08:23] <puff> concept10: I'd like to learn how to do that, but really I was just giving him a heads up to avoid the confusion.
[08:23] <smudo> robotgeek:  bummer...was hoping to be on the bleeding edge.
[08:23] <Yabden> there should be an example line that you can use already in the file
[08:23] <kemik> !pastebin
[08:23] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:23] <concept10> puff, install smeg and edit to your liking
[08:23] <robotgeek> smudo: i think you can try it out, but right now, i am not willing to risk a working system!
[08:24] <ogra> jesper, i'm currently building edubuntu, that draws all my time...
[08:24] <smudo> robotgeek:  is it not stable, yet?
[08:24] <jesper> ogra: Thats a cool project too..
[08:24] <mojo333> should I use SMP for a hyperthreaded P4?
[08:24] <jkindy> i want to learn programming...are there any tools for that in ubuntu
[08:24] <Yabden> yes many
[08:24] <robotgeek> smudo: i wouldn't know, it's mostly stable i guess.
[08:25] <ogra> jesper, yes
[08:25] <jkindy> wat are some yabden?
[08:25] <robotgeek> jkindy: help -> programming -> dive into python
[08:25] <jkindy> ok thanks
[08:25] <jesper> ogra: Are you in charge onf the moinmoin-wiki? (It has some "mis-features")
[08:25] <puff> concept10: Thanks;  I presume smeg is for the rhythmbox label, not the wired/wireless thing?
[08:26] <puff> Anybody have advice on the CPU warning?
[08:26] <HackBenjamin> so NOONE out there has project utopia working?
[08:26] <concept10> !smeg
[08:26] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[08:26] <Plasma> Hello?
[08:26] <Plasma> Kemik?
[08:26] <benjamin1254> oi english is out of style uber geek talk is in... gana go to PIT for 2 yrs and learn linux code and also some windows stuff he wont need... but will love to talk to people here after 2 yrs
[08:26] <Yabden> you may want to also install the "menu" package, which adds a Debian menu with almost all programs installed to your gnome or kde menu
[08:26] <puff> Sigh... people are stupid.
[08:27] <kemik> Plasma:  ?
[08:27] <Plasma> Whats Pastebin?
[08:27] <Plasma> I don't understand?
[08:27] <kemik> !pastebin
[08:27] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:27] <Plasma> Oh, thanks.
[08:27] <Plasma> !pastebin
[08:27] <Yabden> a site where you can post tons of text without flooding
[08:27] <ogra> jesper, nope, thats not my area
[08:27] <Plasma> !pastebin Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
[08:27] <Plasma> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
[08:27] <Plasma> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:27] <Plasma>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:27] <Plasma> /dev/hda1   *           1        3590    28836643+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[08:27] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Plasma
[08:27] <Plasma> /dev/hda2            3591        4776     9526545   83  Linux
[08:27] <Plasma> /dev/hda3            4777        4865      714892+   5  Extended
[08:27] <Plasma> /dev/hda5            4777        4865      714861   83  Linux
[08:27] <Plasma> plasma@ubuntu:~$
[08:27] <Seveas> FOOL
[08:27] <ogra> jesper, mail webmaster@ubuntu.com
[08:27] <Seveas> READ
[08:28] <robotgeek> Plasma: don't paste in here
[08:28] <jesper> ogra: Thanks.. I'll do that.
[08:28] <concept10> oh god
[08:28] <benjamin1254> plasma thats what pastebin is 4
[08:28] <Seveas> you were just told what a pastebin is
[08:28] <jkindy> i have a iso and i want to put it to disk ...wat are some programs to do this    Nero?
[08:28] <kemik> hahahaha
[08:28] <kemik> omg
[08:28] <Yabden> there is nero available for linux yes
[08:29] <Yabden> you may want to use k3b if you are in kubuntu, or gnome-baker if you are in gnome
[08:29] <concept10> Seveas, oh he tried to use pastebin in the channel
[08:29] <benjamin1254> OMbuda lol
[08:29] <HackBenjamin> yes
[08:29] <Madpilot> jkindy: burning info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[08:29] <Ex-Cyber> _frank: my main complaints with it are for dialup... it generates its own chatscript file in /tmp/ that you can't really edit, with what appears to be a braindead init string
[08:29] <Seveas> concept10, yeah how stupid does it get :S
[08:29] <concept10> :)
[08:30] <kemik> Plasma:  read what ubotu says dude ;)
[08:30] <concept10> that one woke me up
[08:30] <robotgeek> that actually looked scary!
[08:30] <ian> my mom (on a different continent) reports that her mouse suddenly stopped working and seems to think it's related to a package update, is that possible / any other reports of that?  She's on hoary
[08:30] <Seveas> ian, never heard of it
[08:31] <Seveas> if it's a wireless mouse - let her check the batteries :)
[08:31] <kemik> unmute Plasma now perhaps ?
[08:31] <moha> perhaps battery ran out of the mouse (if it was a wireless one)
[08:31] <moha> :P
[08:31] <robotgeek> ian: ask her to check if her mouse is loose
[08:31] <ian> it's a basic MS optical
[08:31] <barongas> ian: I take it you've told her to doublecheck all the cords and reboot the machine
[08:31] <cohonen> hey whats the package called to install  a minimal gnome environment?
[08:31] <concept10> ian: USB mouse?
[08:31] <Burgundavia> cohonen, ubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <Seveas> gnome-desktop
[08:31] <ian> she says she has checked cables and rebooted
[08:31] <Burgundavia> oops
[08:31] <cohonen> ehh
[08:31] <kemik> Seveas:  doesnt grub autodetect WIN95 installs ?
[08:31] <Seveas> it should
[08:31] <dawkirst> Hello.
[08:31] <cohonen> i go for Seveas  then :-)
[08:32] <dawkirst> I downloaded a *.tgz.
[08:32] <Seveas> cohonen, it might have a bit different name...
[08:32] <Zecken> would anyone be willing to assist a "newb" for a moment ?
[08:32] <ian> concept10: yeah, although it might be using that adapter to go to PS/2, I don't remember
[08:32] <Burgundavia> cohonen, gnome-desktop0-environment
[08:32] <dawkirst> Why won't the executable run after I extracted it?
[08:32] <Madpilot> Zecken: thta's what this channel exists for...
[08:32] <Seveas> Zecken, only of you say with what :)
[08:32] <cohonen> jesus 273 mb is tat minimal
[08:32] <concept10> ian, no available USB ports for the mouse?
[08:32] <Yabden> dawkirst you should convert it to a .deb file and then install that
[08:33] <Zecken> I was curious about ubuntu's soundcard compatability
[08:33] <benjamin1254> yabden how?
[08:33] <dawkirst> Yabden: how do I convert it, and how do I install a .deb file?
[08:33] <ian> concept10: I don't remember... whatever worked easily is what it's using :)
[08:33] <Seveas> cohonen, if you want minimal, then don't go gnome...
[08:33] <cohonen> Burgundavia, is that the smallest gnome install
[08:33] <galathalion> yo
[08:33] <concept10> ian, maybe you should go check
[08:33] <Yabden> try alien -d, if i remember right that converts a .tgz package to a .deb package
[08:33] <cohonen> Seveas, well its supposed to reflect a full desktop
[08:33] <Seveas> Zecken, it's fairly good
[08:33] <Yabden> which you can then install using dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:33] <Burgundavia> cohonen, that is only the applications upstream ships. So epiphany instead of ff and no OO
[08:33] <cohonen> and then again not
[08:33] <ian> concept10: well I'm in Argentina and she's in the USA... :)
[08:34] <Absenth> so, how well does breezy work in it's current state?
[08:34] <Yabden> alien is also capable of converting .rpm files into .deb packages as well
[08:34] <cohonen> its a test install i have running in vmware
[08:34] <fabiob> is there a known problem where the middle click action behaves like 3-4 middle clicks?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> cohonen, ubuntu-desktop has ff and OO.o and the other things
[08:34] <Zecken> is ia ALSA or OSS based ?
[08:34] <Seveas> Zecken, ALSA
[08:35] <Zecken> whats the lowest general system spec ubuntu suppots ?
[08:35] <Zecken> Im looking for something akin to knoppix
[08:35] <Seveas> it's able to run on 200mhz
[08:35] <cohonen> Burgundavia, that package doesnt exist
[08:35] <Zecken> but for older systems,  200mhz range
[08:35] <Seveas> but then you should not use gnome :)
[08:35] <benjamin1254> i have a low 150 mghtz
[08:35] <Zecken> what would you recommend ?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> cohonen, oh, it is gnome-desktop on hoary (-enivorment here on breezy)
[08:35] <Seveas> fluxbox/openbox will work
[08:36] <black13> i was cut off
[08:36] <black13> cut short
[08:36] <cohonen> breezee is the beta one right +
[08:36] <Seveas> cohonen, yes
[08:36] <Zecken> and how would  fluxbox/openbox  be for soundcard compat ?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> cohonen, correct
[08:36] <gnorr> stupid greenhorn question: how are programs automatically started upon startup in ubuntu?
[08:36] <black13> i was talking to someone earlier about build a custom 2.6 kernel that support squashfs
[08:36] <Seveas> Zecken, wouldn't really know, I guess no worse, but it will require a bit more fiddling
[08:36] <cohonen> hmm
[08:36] <paines> anyoe running amule successfully on a 64bit machine ? mine doesn't run et all
[08:37] <barongas> gnorr: You can add them to the .bash file in your home directory or create one if it's not there.
[08:37] <Seveas> gnorr, from /etc/rc*.d
[08:37] <Seveas> or from your session
[08:37] <Zecken> hmm,  I was never good with linux fiddling
[08:37] <Madpilot> cohonen & Burgundavia: I show only "gnome-desktop-enviroment" on my Hoary repos - no "gnome-desktop"...
[08:37] <barongas> gnorr: But then it would only boot with gnome I think
[08:37] <kemik> Zecken:  running ubuntu on a low-memory slow cpu system i recommend the "server-install" ;) and prepare for lots of tweaking
[08:37] <Zecken> I know DOS, but the linux command window, I know no commands off hand
[08:37] <Czubek> Hi, have someone kernel panic after apt-get update?
[08:37] <Yabden> you can add a program to start up under "Sessions"
[08:37] <benjamin1254> u could run dosbox it helps
[08:37] <benjamin1254> its a dos emulator
[08:37] <pirast> Czubek: In Breezy?
[08:37] <benjamin1254> it runs well
[08:38] <gnorr> barongas > and how do i prevent programs from starting up at boot?
[08:38] <durt> zecken: slackware works well on older computers
[08:38] <Czubek> No, in Hoary
[08:38] <Madpilot> Zecken: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[08:38] <cohonen> Madpilot, i run hoar and its gnome.desktop here
[08:38] <Kartago> anyone can play .mp4 files with h264 codec in hoary? mplayer, vlc and xine crash
[08:38] <Zecken> slackware ?
[08:38] <pirast> Czubek: I had not but now I have Breezy.
[08:38] <gnorr> barongas > i have like 6 programs starting up, like gaim, xchat, gedit, etc
[08:38] <Madpilot> cohonen: really? This is a basic Hoary install, and all I've got is g.d.enviroment. odd
[08:38] <concept10> Anyone here own a laptop with mobile p4 processor or anything speed scalable?
[08:39] <barongas> gnorr: Check /home/you/.bash if they're there
[08:39] <gnorr> barongas > and not a clue why...
[08:39] <gnorr> ok
[08:39] <pirast> Czubek: But I don't suggest you to upgrade to Breezy, it is unstable.
[08:39] <Seveas> concept10, PM 600-1600 here
[08:39] <Zecken> is anyone familar with Pure Data ?
[08:39] <barongas> gnorr: Or what Seveas said
[08:39] <Seveas> gnorr, probably they were running when you logged out and you selected 'save session'
[08:39] <Czubek> pirast: Yes, i know that, so I'm using Hoary but its broken :(
[08:40] <concept10> Seveas, how do you control your speed scaling?  I cannot achive the max processor speed (Thats why I wanted cpufrequtils yesterday)
[08:40] <Seveas> works out of the box here
[08:40] <gnorr> seveas > i made very sure i did not do that
[08:40] <Seveas> I just added the cpu freq scaling monitor to the panel :)
[08:40] <Seveas> gnorr, system -> prefs -> session -> tab: startup
[08:40] <Seveas> see if they are there
[08:41] <yamin> hey
[08:41] <gnorr> seveas > nothing there
[08:41] <barongas> any good mc-equivalent for gnome?
[08:41] <Czubek> pirast: Now i have to use LiveCd and look in forums, mailing lists and bugzilla
[08:41] <Seveas> barongas, mc
[08:41] <Seveas> :)
[08:41] <concept10> Seveas, thats works for me also, but I want to set the min/max values.. this has been bugging me for a year
[08:41] <barongas> Yeah, but with a gui I was thinking :)
[08:41] <Zecken> Im curious if the following program will work in slackware/openbox/fluxbox/ubuntu/etc ... (can I post a URL ?)
[08:41] <Seveas> concept10, oh, I just let it run on autopilot
[08:42] <yamin> hey guys
[08:42] <concept10> Zecken, whats the application
[08:42] <Zecken> pure data
[08:42] <pirast> Czubek: I forgot. I have running another PC with hoary and there isn't any kernel panic. The system is up to date.
[08:42] <Plasma> Can anyone help me? Whenever I restart, Windows XP doesn't show up in the grub bootloader. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1516
[08:42] <concept10> Zecken, post the url
[08:42] <Zecken> http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x3.htm#s1.2
[08:43] <bluesceada> hi
[08:43] <barongas> it's amazing what a little apt-cache search can do: gnome-commander. :)
[08:43] <bluesceada> how can i find out the root password ?
[08:43] <bluesceada> it wasn't asked at the install
[08:43] <Zecken> thats for the documentation
[08:43] <Seveas> !root
[08:43] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:43] <bluesceada> now i need to become root to load my isa nic module ..
[08:43] <Seveas> ^-- bluesceada
[08:43] <Zecken> however you can download the prog at: http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
[08:44] <concept10> Zecken, it should work, download and compile
[08:44] <Zecken> I have no compiling experience
[08:44] <Czubek> pirast: My problem is kind of rare. Tnx.
[08:45] <Zecken> is that what RPM is for ?
[08:45] <bluesceada> thx..
[08:45] <durt> zecken: did you download a .rpm file?
[08:45] <Seveas> rpm is evil
[08:45] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses deb
[08:46] <barongas> zecken: alien file.rpm should generate a .deb
[08:46] <concept10> Zecken, its not difficult, download the tar.gz, extract it, goto that directory, and type ./configure, make depend and make, read the docts on there
[08:46] <durt> but you need a compiler installed
[08:46] <gnorr> if it's not a .bash file in my /home/me/ file, why does xchat, two times gaim, gedit and xterm startup at boot?
[08:47] <tikku> okay, here is a question, i want to change my windows NTFS partition into FAT, or some else filesystem. How to do it?
[08:47] <Zecken> hmm
[08:47] <poningru> can someone fix the planet ubuntu?
[08:47] <mjr> tikku, copy stuff somewhere, mkdosfs, copy stuff back
[08:47] <tikku> and the partition is /dev/hda1
[08:47] <benjamin1254> im a massive fat32 partition
[08:47] <gnorr> tikku > load the ubuntu disk
[08:47] <Zecken> and what flavour of limux would you recommend for a pentium1: 200mhz ?
[08:47] <tikku> i burned the stuff into dvd:s :>
[08:47] <mjr> tikku, failing that, one of those commerical partition magic thingies might be able to convert on the fly, dunno
[08:47] <tikku> gnorr, the .iso ?
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> well
[08:47] <Zecken> I dont intend to access the internet with it,  just run pure data
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> ill see you all in a week or so
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> im going to florida
[08:48] <benjamin1254> i burned a whole working win98 OS to dvd lol
[08:48] <gnorr> tikku > no, you should first burn that
[08:48] <benjamin1254> it works ... it oboots from th cd
[08:48] <tikku> yes ive done it
[08:48] <concept10> poningru, is that close to mars or saturn?
[08:48] <barongas> Zecken: Will you use a desktop enviroment like gnome?
[08:48] <tikku> The ubuntu.iso is burned on DVD
[08:48] <Zecken> it doesn't matter to me, as long as it can run pure data
[08:48] <tikku> so ill put it in and..? :)
[08:49] <Zecken> Im considering linux because I want stability
[08:49] <barongas> Zecken: Well debian is very efficient and looks like ubuntu in many ways. Can be a bit tricky now and then though.
[08:49] <thenuke> Zecken: XP is stabile.
[08:49] <Zecken> since the systems are slow, I need something thats effecient
[08:49] <durt> zecken: slackware sounds like what your looking for
[08:49] <Zecken> I cant run XP on a 200mhz and expect PD to preform
[08:50] <barongas> Zecken: MacOs.X86 :)
[08:50] <concept10> Zecken, what does puredata for
[08:50] <thenuke> durt: does slackware sound like something that newbie should consider?
[08:50] <concept10> im mean do
[08:50] <ian> thenuke: was my first linux
[08:50] <Zecken> pure data is a DSP program
[08:50] <durt> thenuke: yes
[08:50] <thenuke> ian: that did not answer my question, did that
[08:51] <Plasma> Hey, that guy that was talking to me before, could you please PM me or whatever?
[08:51] <Zecken> I need as much cpu power, and I dont need windows sucking up every last cycle
[08:51] <concept10> Zecken, to make audio tontes?
[08:51] <concept10> *tones
[08:51] <Zecken> in a very basic sense, yes
[08:51] <ian> thenuke: in general no, but if you have time and want to learn unix/linux then yes
[08:51] <Zecken> http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
[08:51] <Seveas> dsp is not just audio tomes :)
[08:51] <Zecken> look at it, its a graphical programming environment
[08:51] <tikku> gnorr, or does it start formating and changing the partition in to FAT if i just put "sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1" in terminal?
[08:51] <Plasma> ..
[08:51] <Plasma> I forgot your name. :S
[08:52] <Zecken> Im not a console, Im more comftable with graphical programming
[08:52] <Zecken> *console junkie
[08:52] <jonathan_> is Idle installed by default?
[08:53] <Promit> i'm connected to IRC via telnet now. It's a little inconvnient
[08:53] <Zecken> windows has a habit of sucking up all my resources
[08:53] <Seveas> Promit, lol!
[08:53] <Zecken> so I want to know if linux will allow pd to perform smoother
[08:53] <concept10> Seveas, I know that, but looking at the interface, that looks like what it generates.
[08:53] <Promit> thi:this
[08:53] <boodle> no gory breezy warnings... is breezy suitable for trepidatious trial?
[08:54] <Seveas> boodle, it can be tested -- it still isn't 100% stable though
[08:54] <Zecken> Ive only  ever use knoppix, which I was very impressed with
[08:54] <boodle> Seveas, awesome! tyvm :-))
[08:54] <apokryphos> Seveas: any idea why xev isn't in breezy? Du know if it was in hoary?
[08:54] <Ex-Cyber> Promit: I've been there before; keep an eye out for PINGs :P
[08:54] <Promit> K:Knoppix
[08:54] <FedoraCore> Hello everyone
[08:54] <Ex-Cyber> Promit: and resist the urge to backspace
[08:54] <mitsuhiko> FedoraCore: moin
[08:55] <apokryphos> doesn't look like it was
[08:55] <Zecken> hopefully someone caught all of that
[08:55] <Promit> excyber,
[08:55] <FedoraCore> Are there drivers for Ubuntu for a 3Dfx Voodoo 2 card?
[08:55] <concept10> Zecken, what are you trying to accomplish with that application?
[08:56] <Zecken> Ive already accomplished what I was going for
[08:56] <Zecken> I have several pd programs finished
[08:56] <Promit> anyway,
[08:56] <concept10> whats that, im curious
[08:56] <Promit> i need a tech supprot channel, my computer is fried
[08:56] <Zecken> they run fine on this system, but I'd like to dedicate a couple lesser computers to them
[08:56] <MrDOS> Sorry bout that.
[08:56] <ero-sennin> can someone point me out to a tutorial on installing ati drivers on ubuntu amd64 hoary hedgehog release?
[08:56] <apokryphos> !ati
[08:56] <MrDOS> Asking about drivers for a 3Dfx Voodoo 2 card
[08:56] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:57] <Promit> i REALLY ought to download an IRC client
[08:57] <liquidfire> Hey :)
[08:57] <Zecken> one is based on a modular synth from thr 70s, the other does complex format synthesis
[08:57] <liquidfire> Can someone help me
[08:57] <apokryphos> Promit: are you not on [K] ubuntu?
[08:57] <apokryphos> !helpme
[08:57] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[08:57] <Zecken> theyre not too too demanding
[08:57] <liquidfire> What release should i pick, i can't find a release suited for non 64 users
[08:57] <Promit> i'm actually in a telnet console in winxp for the moment
[08:57] <concept10> Zecken, oh, your are making some synths?
[08:57] <liquidfire> or mac
[08:57] <Zecken> theyre already made
[08:58] <andril> hello all
[08:58] <MrDOS> Promit: get mIRC at www.mirc.com
[08:58] <LokeDK> is there a way to LOCK a chmod on a directory? and everything that will be put in it will get that chmod
[08:58] <apokryphos> liquidfire: Hoary is the latest stable
[08:58] <Zecken> I just want them on other computers
[08:58] <liquidfire> apokryphos, i know i'm using it
[08:58] <Seveas> or x-chat for windows :)
[08:58] <Promit> this isn't my system, i think i'll just leave it be
[08:58] <Madpilot> liquidfire: not sure what you mean - what type of computer do you want to run Ubuntu on?
[08:58] <MrDOS> X-Chat is pretty nice.
[08:58] <darkheart> LokeDK man umask
[08:58] <SpermFlys> What comand is it to pull up the video card i have installed>
[08:58] <liquidfire> 256 memory 1 ghz
[08:58] <MrDOS> Promit: it can fit on floppy I believe.
[08:58] <liquidfire> old somethingbird proc
[08:58] <Seveas> darkheart, completely unrelated command...
[08:58] <Promit> besides, i seem to be getting along ok
[08:58] <Zecken> theyre modular in nature, so the more systems I can run pd on, the more complex my setup can be
[08:58] <liquidfire> Forgot the name
[08:58] <LokeDK> -(loke@wombat)-(/home)-$ man umask
[08:58] <barongas> ero-sennin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 helped me, I think there's amd64 support there as well
[08:58] <LokeDK> No manual entry for umask
[08:58] <liquidfire> thunderbird ?
[08:59] <DarkDaan_com> !upgrade
[08:59] <ubotu> hmm... upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:59] <scav> does fglrx driver work in 32bit too ?
[08:59] <Promit> i actually have a small C# client here, let's see if I can get it running
[08:59] <darkheart> Seveas err...Isn't that what he was looking for?
[08:59] <Seveas> no...
[08:59] <liquidfire> Anyway its an older computer I just want to use it for surfing etc
[08:59] <liquidfire> But i can't find the appropriate release?
[08:59] <sfacius> hi at all
[08:59] <Zecken> considering that I find 200mhz system on the street monthly, I can really benfit for an established linux/pd system
[09:00] <MrDOS> Driver for 3Dfx Voodoo 2 card... anyone know where I can find one?
[09:00] <apokryphos> liquidfire: for waht setup?
[09:00] <Yabden> there is one built into xorg
[09:00] <Madpilot> liquidfire: a 1Ghz system should be able to run Ubuntu no problem. Just download the i386 iso and burn it
[09:00] <apokryphos> Seveas: no idea bout xev? ;-)
[09:00] <liquidfire> ah
[09:00] <liquidfire> oke
[09:00] <Coyctecm> what about breezy? It is wise to upgrade to it? I not complete newbie.
[09:00] <darkheart> Seveas What would it be?
[09:00] <liquidfire> the x86 release :)?
[09:00] <andril> anyone know a good DVD writing software?
[09:00] <[Rainy] > how do i share internet connection
[09:00] <Promit> anyone know how I would type the ascii char 0x01? I can't CTCP right now
[09:01] <Madpilot> liquidfire: yeah, sorry, the x86 version
[09:01] <apokryphos> liquidfire: releases.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <liquidfire> ok
[09:01] <liquidfire> thanks
[09:01] <liquidfire> :)
[09:01] <liquidfire> and one more thing where can i find the latest breezey releases ?
[09:01] <Zecken> concept10, did you get that ?
[09:01] <liquidfire> !breezey
[09:01] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, liquidfire
[09:01] <liquidfire> !breezy
[09:01] <ubotu> breezy is probably the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:01] <apokryphos> liquidfire: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <kevogod> When I install xorg-driver-fglrx and run fglrxconfig it wants to generate an X86Free config file rather than xorg.conf. Does anybody know how to remedy this?
[09:02] <darkheart> kevogod Just rename it to xorg.conf
[09:02] <DarkDaan_com> !upgrade
[09:02] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, totally, "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:02] <apokryphos> liquidfire: if you are already on hoary, it's best to use apt
[09:02] <SpermFlys> Where can i get drivers for VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 
[09:02] <apokryphos> that factoid is for warty -> hoary
[09:02] <kevogod> darkheart: They use the same config file?
[09:02] <kevogod> I was thinking maybe some stuff would be deprecated.
[09:03] <barongas> SpermFlys: Try this guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[09:03] <Promit> kevogod, how about mv XF86config.conf xorg.conf?
[09:03] <liquidfire> no no apokryphos  i'm just looking for a new install :)
[09:03] <DarkDaan_com> !upgrade
[09:03] <darkheart> kevogod Yeah, it's pretty much the same. May be some differences, but I haven't come across any..anyway, won't hurt if you backup your existing xorg.conf and try it.
[09:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:03] <Coyctecm> What xorg will be in breezy?
[09:03] <ndlovu> I think my file system went postal on itself. how can I figure out what happened and are there any recovery options?
[09:03] <apokryphos> liquidfire: cdimage then
[09:03] <liquidfire> I will
[09:03] <liquidfire> thanks for your time
[09:03] <liquidfire> <3
[09:03] <Coyctecm> I started to use hoary about two moths before it was released
[09:03] <apokryphos> !info xserver-xorg breezy
[09:03] <barongas> ndlovu: Do you have any live discs?
[09:04] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server (dummy package)), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-50 (breezy), Packaged size: 263 kB, Installed size: 692 kB
[09:04] <Madpilot> liquidfire: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GettingUbuntu
[09:04] <BockBilbo> whats the chron for?
[09:04] <concept10> Zecken, have you ever used and VSTi's
[09:04] <ndlovu> barongas: yup, I have ubuntu and knoppix
[09:04] <barongas> ndlovu: Like knoppix, ubuntu-live, symphonyos
[09:04] <Zecken> VSt plugins you mean ?
[09:04] <^thehatsrule^> vsti rocks
[09:04] <barongas> ndlovu: That's a beginning, can you mount the hd from there?
[09:05] <ndlovu> barongas: I can try. lemme see what happens with that
[09:05] <benjamin1254> asks for ubuntu on dvd
[09:05] <concept10> Zecken, I meant VSTi's the i is for instruments, but yes, it is a plugin
[09:05] <DarkDaan_com> mmm
[09:05] <ndlovu> barongas: is knoppix or ubuntu better for this sort of thing?
[09:05] <viper> hi all
[09:05] <DarkDaan_com>  i get some error on 's/warty/hoary' ??
[09:05] <MrDOS> Anyone know about Ubuntu and 3Dfx Voodoo 2?
[09:05] <barongas> ndlovu: Don't know actually, both are debina derivates so use the one your most comfortable with
[09:05] <concept10> Zecken, I was wondering if you would be interested in a application called synthedit
[09:05] <Zecken> of course, I have dozens, if not hundreds
[09:05] <viper> Has anyone successfuly installed xmmp or zinf?
[09:06] <MrDOS> It says it cannot find a video mode for my card.
[09:06] <derhelge> hi :-)#
[09:06] <Zecken> but thy're often very resource intensive, and cant run of slower systems
[09:06] <DarkDaan_com> on the upgrade .... my PC sais: unterminated 's' commamd
[09:06] <DarkDaan_com> some1 can help me ?
[09:06] <Zecken> they also assume you want to play boring conventional midi keyboard crap
[09:07] <benjamin1254> i get read errors when i go to install on cd-r... but when i go to install it on my 52x cd burner it goes through 55% of the time... the kernal just doesent like to install
[09:07] <Yabden> mrdos try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:07] <Zecken> I know synthedit
[09:07] <DarkDaan_com> !upgrade
[09:07] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:07] <Zecken> I have it
[09:07] <Yabden> and select the 3dfx driver
[09:07] <Seveas> DarkDaan_com, then you did not type it correctly...
[09:07] <benjamin1254> when i install it on my pc through the cd-r
[09:07] <Seveas> and please stop abusing the bot
[09:07] <Zecken> its not the same as puredata, its very limited in many regards
[09:08] <MrDOS> Yabden: it should let me get into its GUI then correct?
[09:08] <Zecken> I originally tried to construct my project on synthedit, but the program simplay cant do certain things
[09:08] <Yabden> what is the error you get upon trying to start xorg?
[09:08] <Zecken> whats the premise of slackware ?
[09:09] <viper> "Has anyone successfuly installed xmmp or zinf?" so has anybody?
[09:09] <zdom> hihi all, just install ubuntu, feeling great except the mouse wheel button not work ~
[09:09] <MrDOS> stupid computer
[09:10] <MrDOS> Yabden: Cannot find video support.
[09:10] <derhelge> hey again... is there any german ubuntu chat? :-)
[09:10] <pestilence> #ubuntu-de
[09:10] <derhelge> thx
[09:12] <Yabden> mrdos try running xorgconf
[09:12] <MrDOS> just type in xorgconf?
[09:12] <Yabden> as root yeah
[09:12] <MrDOS> ok, thank you :-)
[09:12] <barongas> zdom What mouse do you have?
[09:13] <zdom> lol, microsoft mouse
[09:13] <MrPockets> hey, the last couple of days my tool bars have been getting "stuck"
[09:13] <barongas> zdom usb, cordless, ps/2?
[09:13] <MrPockets> i go to hide them and they stop half way, and wont allow me to click them
[09:13] <zdom> no, the most common standard ps/2 with wheel
[09:14] <zdom> i am thinking maybe I used a KVM so it cannot be detected normally
[09:14] <gnorr> how do i prevent xterm, gedit, xchat and two times gaim from starting up with ubuntu?
[09:15] <Yabden> gnorr you likely clicked save session before you logged out
[09:15] <liquidfire> When I do  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom it says operation  not permitted
[09:15] <Yabden> so when you logged back it in loaded all of that
[09:15] <liquidfire> Any idea's ?
[09:15] <darkheart> gnorr You can close everything, then log out and choose 'save session' that will probably work =)
[09:15] <barongas> zdom Trying to find info on it with google but it's hard when it doesn't have a "real" name :)
[09:15] <kevogod> I tried copying over thet X86Free-4 config file over that fglrxconfig was generating to xorg.conf and when I try to use startx, it says it is unable to initialize core devices.
[09:15] <gnorr> yabden > ihave definitely not
[09:15] <zdom> thanks, got it
[09:15] <concept10> liquidfire, use sudo
[09:16] <viper> when i try to play a song ( a mp3) in xmms, it freezes
[09:16] <larsrohdin> hi, im a bit new to programming in linux, when ive compiled a c++ program with emacs and gcc, what fileformat is it in? How do i run it?
[09:16] <liquidfire>  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[09:16] <liquidfire> look
[09:16] <liquidfire> i used it
[09:16] <liquidfire> -_-
[09:16] <Yabden> kevogod try sudo modprobe psmouse | sudo modprobe mousedev
[09:16] <gnorr> darkheart > haven't thought of that!
[09:16] <zdom> u know the first time i tried ubuntu, i trashed the CD at once because it didnt have root access :P
[09:16] <liquidfire> concept10, i used sudo
[09:16] <Zecken> anyone know about Slackware ?
[09:16] <barongas> viper: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[09:16] <bipolar> larsrohdin, did you specify an output file when you compiled?
[09:17] <zdom> they should tell the user about this while installing
[09:17] <Yabden> if that doesnt work than likely you do not have your mouse in xorg.conf pointing to the correct device
[09:17] <Czubek> larsrohdin, a.out?
[09:17] <concept10> liquidfire, oh, hehe - sorry umm...try the actual device name /dev/hdc or whatever
[09:17] <larsrohdin> bipolar, where do i do that?
[09:17] <concept10> liquidfire, do you know what it is?
[09:18] <viper> barongas: tysm
[09:18] <barongas> viper: np
[09:18] <Mez> hmm
[09:18] <bipolar> larsrohdin, it's an option for gcc. -o I think. If you didn't, it should have defaulted to a.out.
[09:18] <liquidfire> nope concept10
[09:18] <benjamin1254> how do i stop pinging?
[09:18] <larsrohdin> bipolar, what does that mean?
[09:18] <liquidfire> where can i see it?
[09:18] <viper> barongas: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:18] <viper> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:19] <liquidfire> larsrohdin, isn't it something like a bridge between atoms
[09:19] <Yabden> benjamin1254 try ctrl+c
[09:19] <Mez> can anyone help me get my wireless adapter to work in 802.11g instead of .11b
[09:19] <concept10> liquidfire, fdisk -l
[09:19] <viper> i did this: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:19] <Yabden> or killall ping
[09:19] <daviar> hi
[09:19] <concept10> for some reason my fdisk doesnt work
[09:19] <liquidfire> that does nothing concept10
[09:20] <liquidfire> mine neither
[09:20] <liquidfire> lol
[09:20] <Yabden> viper you cannot do that unless you are root, try sudo apt-get install whatever
[09:20] <HappyFool> you must 'sudo fdisk -l', or it won't list much
[09:20] <liquidfire> ah
[09:20] <liquidfire> use
[09:20] <liquidfire> sudo
[09:20] <liquidfire> HappyFool, beated me in time
[09:20] <liquidfire> :(
[09:20] <daviar> does anybody know how to use a Genius videocam nb with ubuntu?
[09:20] <darkheart> larsrohdin It means you can run it by type './a.out' in the directory it's in.
[09:20] <concept10> I hate fdisk, it doesnt list everything
[09:20] <liquidfire> But I still can't see the CD/DVD :/
[09:21] <concept10> :)
[09:21] <liquidfire> same
[09:21] <liquidfire> =o
[09:21] <larsrohdin> darkheart, hey that worked=)
[09:21] <concept10> arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg
[09:21] <ndlovu> barongas: it's pretty ugly
[09:21] <ndlovu> barongas: there's a lost+found directory and some random numbers
[09:21] <concept10> liquidfire, use the hardware browser
[09:21] <daviar> does anybody know how to use a Genius videocam nb with ubuntu?
[09:21] <larsrohdin> darkheart, thanks alot dude, now i can start playing some more with this in linux...
[09:21] <viper> Yabden: how do i become root?
[09:21] <durt> concept10: then use cfdisk
[09:21] <concept10> liquidfire, i mean device manager under system > admin
[09:21] <Yabden> you dont become root, you use sudo
[09:22] <darkheart> larsrohdin Good..What bipolar was telling you earlier is you can compile it to a specific name. a.out is just default.
[09:22] <viper> ok
[09:22] <apokryphos> !root
[09:22] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:22] <liquidfire> i found it
[09:22] <_mike> Hi, i downloaded QTparted, a partition magic clone for linux, and i need to know how to make a new partition
[09:22] <liquidfire> concept10,
[09:22] <Yabden> use your username password when it asks for one
[09:22] <liquidfire> SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-606F
[09:22] <larsrohdin> darkheart, ok, but i dont think that will be necissary at this point...
[09:23] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:23] <bore> salut
[09:23] <concept10> liquidfire, clcik on that and look at advanced
[09:23] <barongas> ndlovu: Sheesh, probably should run some disc-scan utility
[09:24] <_mike> ...?
[09:24] <viper> ok
[09:24] <concept10> durt, this sucks... which utility lists all of your drives?
[09:24] <viper> its installing the packages
[09:24] <viper> ill let u know if it works
[09:24] <sN|P3r> hello to everyone
[09:24] <smudo> concept10:  try df -h
[09:24] <concept10> yeah
[09:25] <_mike> does anyone know how to partition
[09:25] <concept10> that is free disk space, I dont know why fdisk doesnt list cdroms
[09:25] <othernoob> concept10: maybe because fdisk is for HARDDRIVES?
[09:25] <gnorr> darkheart > thanks man, you might have a dark heart, but you've got answers to my questions...
[09:25] <sN|P3r> anyone say were I can get some support for 5.04 ppc ? and breezy ppc ?
[09:25] <lancellor> anybody know how set up a website
[09:25] <liquidfire> sudo  hdparm -d1 /dev/hda getting me an error " setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[09:25] <liquidfire>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:25] <liquidfire>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[09:25] <liquidfire> "
[09:25] <smudo> concept10:  that's because it can't write to it.
[09:25] <ndlovu> barongas: I think this is going to be a lesson in linux that I would rather not have!
[09:25] <liquidfire> =/
[09:25] <darkheart> gnorr =) glad it worked.
[09:25] <robotgeek> sN|P3r: what u need?
[09:25] <viper> no, it still freezes when i click play
[09:26] <funkyHat> concept10, it's quite difficult to partition a CDRom
[09:26] <HappyFool> concept10: try maybe 'sudo lshw' or 'sudo lshal', or look in /proc/ide or /proc/scsi
[09:26] <funkyHat> or a CDR, or CDRW :P
[09:26] <robotgeek> :)
[09:26] <darkheart> liquidfire Next time paste to #flood or pastebin =)
[09:26] <concept10> funkyHat, really? im not looking into doing that
[09:26] <liquidfire> yeah
[09:26] <barongas> ndlovu: I understand your headache, unfortunately I've never tried anything like it before...
[09:26] <liquidfire> Didn't know it would be so long
[09:26] <liquidfire> =(
[09:26] <liquidfire> my bad
[09:26] <gnorr> darkheart > it just doesn't seem logical a saved session is saved permanently untill the next re-save
[09:26] <darkheart> np
[09:26] <somedude_> Hey
[09:26] <funkyHat> hehe, sorry, trying to be funny `_`
[09:26] <liquidfire> But anyone got a fix for it :o?
[09:27] <sN|P3r> anyone say were I can get some support for 5.04 ppc ? and breezy ppc ?
[09:27] <ndlovu> barongas: no worries. thanks for suggesting the live CD
[09:27] <concept10> ahh you kids wreck my nerves sometimes with the sarcasm
[09:27] <smudo> sN|P3r:  what do you need?
[09:27] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:27] <darkheart> gnorr Yeah it does =) It's basically for loading programs you want started when you log in...So when you logout, just don't save once you have it the way you want
[09:27] <pamungkas> hi i'm new to linux and just installed ubuntu on my system
[09:27] <smudo> sN|P3r:  I have it running on an iBook.
[09:27] <Ex-Cyber> gnorr: it is a little counterintuitive, but it's useful for saving a default layout so all your most-used apps auto-launch how you like them arranged
[09:27] <liquidfire> welcome pamungkas
[09:27] <liquidfire> :)
[09:27] <robotgeek> sN|P3r: can help you, brb!
[09:27] <James_Ward> Hello, suddenly my system no longer creates /dev/md0?
[09:28] <pamungkas> how to install files? i wanna install windowmaker but can't find any solutions:S
[09:28] <viper> barongas: any other suggestions
[09:28] <liquidfire> system-> syntapic manager
[09:28] <liquidfire> and update your packages
[09:28] <pamungkas> i did but i cant find wmaker
[09:28] <James_Ward> Can anyone here talk about RAID?
[09:28] <darkheart> pamungkas You are probably gonna have to add repositories.
[09:28] <ntoll> pamungkas, use synaptic and search fof wmaker
[09:28] <somedude_> i too had som strange probs with raid.. i got a /.dev/ folder..
[09:28] <darkheart> !tell pamungkas about repositories
[09:28] <pamungkas> i search but none
[09:28] <concept10> liquidfire, i dont know what your problem is, I use that all of the time  and it works
[09:28] <liquidfire> =/
[09:28] <darkheart> pamungkas Install the repositories, then try.
[09:28] <gnorr> ex-cyber > a totally different question, but what is the relationship between debian and ubuntu exactly?
[09:28] <liquidfire> sucks bigtime
[09:28] <liquidfire> -_-
[09:28] <somedude_> on the otherhand.. not sure if its raid related BUT.. ;)
[09:28] <pestilence> pamungkas: it's in universe
[09:28] <Madpilot> !debian-ubuntu
[09:29] <ubotu> No idea, Madpilot
[09:29] <icewt> gnorr, ubuntu is based on debian
[09:29] <pestilence> !tell pamungkas about repositories
[09:29] <James_Ward> somedude: What?
[09:29] <pamungkas> ok i'll give it a try thanks
[09:29] <somedude_> James_Ward, aah.. nevermind.. just babbling
[09:29] <_mike> CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH PARTITIONING MY HARD DRIVE?
[09:29] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:29] <viper> sure i can
[09:29] <James_Ward> Can anyone here help me with RAID?
[09:30] <Madpilot> _mike: no need to shout...
[09:30] <viper> mike: what do u need to do
[09:30] <concept10> _mike, can you stop using capitals, maybe
[09:30] <_mike> Madpilot, caps lock
[09:30] <_mike> sorry
[09:30] <James_Ward> Is there a better channel for RAID help on ubuntu?
[09:31] <Yabden> _make what do you need to do?
[09:31] <ndlovu> anyone know what to do with a broken filesystem and lost+found directory?
[09:31] <funkyHat> yes _mike, can you tell us what you want to do with your partitions?
[09:31] <LokeDK> how do i set umask of my www dir? i don't understand how with man pages
[09:31] <Madpilot> LokeDK: have a look at "man chmod"
[09:31] <_mike> im trying to split the hard drive in two, two 20 gig partitions one for windows and one for linux, how would i go abouts doing it without formatting linux off my comp
[09:32] <darkheart> LokeDK I told you man umask earlier didn't I/
[09:32] <liquidfire> !network
[09:32] <Yabden> you would need to shrink your linux partition
[09:32] <ubotu> Wish i knew, liquidfire
[09:32] <LokeDK> Madpilot, I need to set it so all files automatically will be 755
[09:32] <LokeDK> darkheart, yes but i don't understand it quite
[09:32] <viper> barongas: i did sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad (do i need to restart for it to take effet?)
[09:32] <darkheart> LokeDK Yeah, sorry, it wasn't correct.
[09:32] <Yabden> LokeDK chmod -R 0775
[09:32] <darkheart> LokeDK You need to chmod the folder I think, use the sticky bit, but you are gonna have to read up on that.
[09:32] <Madpilot> LokeDK: not sure if you can set defaults like that, sorry.
[09:32] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:32] <somedude_> i accedently deleted my /etc/samba folder.. and when recreating it (apt-get install samba-common) it didnt install the gdm* file.. what was it named, or can someone send it to me?
[09:32] <barongas> viper: I didn't have to
[09:33] <HappyFool> 'help umask' might be better - the only man page is for the function (in section 2), i think
[09:33] <funkyHat> _mike, are you doing this from a live CD?
[09:33] <viper> hmm...well it still freezes
[09:33] <viper> im going to restart, see if that works
[09:33] <viper> brb
[09:33] <_mike> funkyHat, no i am running ubuntu with kde on my computer, and i have a windows disc ready
[09:33] <LokeDK> Yabden, yeah but i have to do that every time
[09:33] <Madpilot> back later, all. Have real-world stuff to do...
[09:33] <LokeDK> damn
[09:33] <Yabden> you could set a cronjob to do it or make an rc script to do it on boot
[09:34] <funkyHat> _mike, you won't be able to do it while your linux partition is mounted, so if you have a linux liveCD of any sort, can you boot into that?
[09:34] <_mike> yes i can, i have alot of live cds...will slax work?
[09:34] <Diffindo> Hello
[09:34] <HappyFool> LokeDK: why do you want to change the permissions of the files in that manner?
[09:34] <Diffindo> I have a question regarding Ubuntu
[09:35] <LokeDK> HappyFool, because if i move a file or create one in my www folder.. i'll get "You do not have access blabla" whatever apache says until i set chmod everytime
[09:35] <pamungkas> err which repository should i choose>
[09:35] <concept10> Diffindo, just ask
[09:35] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:36] <robotgeek> sN|P3r: back, what problem do u have?
[09:36] <_mike> funkyHat, will the slax live cd be good? i also have whax, beatrix, ubuntu live, linspire live...any one will work?
[09:36] <darkheart> LokeDK I think the solution is setting the correct sticky bits on the root folder to obtain the desired result.
[09:36] <HappyFool> LokeDK: are you creating/copying the files from the command line?
[09:36] <Diffindo> I need to know if the Ubuntu Install CD will have a package of common and generic device drivers...
[09:36] <durt> _mike slack works
[09:36] <_mike> ok
[09:36] <funkyHat> _mike, i'll be able to help you easiest with the ubuntu live CD
[09:36] <meeep> if sudo clamscan -r /location_of_files_or_folders doesnt find any viruses, but microsoft claims i have one in that file, which one should i beleive in? :S
[09:37] <LokeDK> HappyFool, both
[09:37] <concept10> Diffindo, yes.
[09:37] <Yabden> Diffindo yes it will
[09:37] <Diffindo> Ok
[09:37] <_mike> funkyHat, ok ill boot into it and go into irc and ill be back
[09:37] <smudo> meep:  believe clamAV
[09:37] <LokeDK> darkheart, what would that be?
[09:37] <meeep> smudo, sure? i dont wanna risk anything
[09:38] <Diffindo> Does anyone know where I can find a driver for the VIA vt6103 10/100Mbps LAN for Linux?
[09:38] <jacc||> what do install first to make dual boot? ubuntu or xp?
[09:38] <HappyFool> LokeDK: both cli and gui, or both copying/creating? Also, if i do 'sudo touch blah.txt' in /var/www, i get perms rw-r--r--
[09:38] <opqdonut> when i try to apt-get install libdvdcss2 i get "Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[09:38] <LokeDK> HappyFool, both cli and gui
[09:38] <opqdonut> i've added all the repos the guide tells
[09:38] <leo1> can anyone check my test site
[09:38] <smudo> mee:  yup
[09:38] <Blissex> opqdonut: and done 'apt-get update' too?
[09:39] <opqdonut> yup
[09:39] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:39] <LokeDK> HappyFool, yes i get a -rw-r--r-- if i do a touch whatever
[09:39] <Fanskapet> anyone running azureus in ubuntu? i have a great portmapping problem i really can't solve!
[09:39] <barongas> Diffindo: Do you have any problems with the motherboard? Generally ubuntu figures out what kind of board you have and handle it.
[09:39] <Diffindo> Well
[09:39] <smudo> meeep: clamAV is probably better than anything you can find from MS>
[09:39] <Diffindo> I haven't installed Ubuntu yet, I'm waiting for my Shipit order...
[09:39] <leo1> i test home web server
[09:39] <HappyFool> LokeDK: darkheart may have an idea, though I believe the 'sticky' bits usually set group membership of files; you can try 'man chmod' to find out more
[09:39] <viper> barongas: didnt work
[09:40] <smudo> leo1:  what's the URL?
[09:40] <leo1> www.myanandar.com
[09:40] <Diffindo> thanks for the help!
[09:40] <thenuke> leo1: works.
[09:40] <leo1> is it work?
[09:40] <opqdonut> when i try to apt-get install libdvdcss2 i get "Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[09:40] <barongas> Diffindo: Wait for it and see if it works.
[09:40] <Yabden> works
[09:40] <CT-71> i was gonna say that
[09:40] <thenuke> leo1: you can check it too ;D just browse to your site. you dont need us.
[09:40] <leo1> do u see :8080 on url address bar ?
[09:40] <LokeDK> So you suggest that I chown to my user group?
[09:40] <jacc||> what do install first to make dual boot? ubuntu or xp?
[09:40] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:40] <barongas> viper: Hmmm, it didn't give you any error-messages? And you did add the universe to your sources.list
[09:40] <smudo> leo1:  it loads something, but there's not content.
[09:41] <darkheart> LokeDK I don't know exactly, I just know it's there and it's probably what you are looking for. You're gonna need (and want) to read about sticky bits.
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:41] <durt> jacc|| partition, then xp, then ubuntu
[09:41] <thenuke> leo1: no because our webbrowsers do not default for :8080 port
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:41] <viper> i did the sudo apt-get instal whatever thing
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:41] <jacc||> ok thanks
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:41] <somedude_> can someone do a ls /etc/samba and tell me whats in there??? PLEASE
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:41] <durt> shutup
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:41] <smudo> leo1:  you might want to make a redirect to 8080
[09:41] <scav> somedude_, gdbcommands  smb.conf
[09:41] <darkheart> LokeDK HappyFool may be right about it only setting group membership perms, in which case you still might have to add yourself to the group that owns the directory.
[09:41] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:42] <somedude_> scav, thanks!! :)
[09:42] <leo1> thanks, i used port redirection 80 to 8080 bcos isp block 80.
[09:42] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:42] <Yabden> jacc|| install windows first, then ubuntu
[09:42] <JairunCaloth> I need to mount my other hdd
[09:42] <HappyFool> LokeDK: hmm, 'man chmod' has nothing on setuid/setgid on directories
[09:42] <barongas> viper: try adding deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted to etc/apt/sources.list
[09:42] <_tcc> i was gonna say that really i was
[09:42] <Yabden> otherwise windows will get rid of grub
[09:42] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:42] <LokeDK> darkheart, that'll be the root group, but I can write to the directory so I must already be a member
[09:42] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:42] <JairunCaloth> I tried mount /dev/hda1 but it's not working
[09:42] <opqdonut> when i try to apt-get install libdvdcss2 i get "Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package." i'm running amd64
[09:42] <barongas> viper: and then reload the files
[09:42] <_tcc> i was gonna say that
[09:43] <viper> barongas: ugh, i got linux yesterday, can u tell me exactly how to do that
[09:43] <darkheart> Seveas You around?
[09:43] <smudo> How can I do an in place (apt-get or whatever) installation of breezy from hoary?
[09:43] <durt> opqdonut: you probably need to add some repositories
[09:43] <barongas> viper: sure, in the console type nano etc/apt/sources.list
[09:43] <_tcc> i was gonna say that i was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati
[09:43] <_tcc>  was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati w
[09:43] <_tcc> as gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was
[09:43] <scav> WTF
[09:43] <barongas> viper: then type in deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:43] <_tcc>  gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was g
[09:44] <kijutsu> wtf
[09:44] <darkheart> !tell smudo about upgrade
[09:44] <opqdonut> durt: i have added all that are in the guide. could it be that this package doesn't exist for amd64?
[09:44] <_tcc> onna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was gonna say thati was g
[09:44] <Belutz> !op
[09:44] <ubotu> Belutz: No idea
[09:44] <_mike> funkyHat, you here?
[09:44] <_tcc> holy
[09:44] <Belutz> !ops
[09:44] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[09:44] <_tcc> holy hell
[09:44] <viper> tcc STOP THAT
[09:44] <_tcc> sry
[09:44] <_tcc> i wi;;
[09:44] <somedude_> scav, can u check /etc/samba/gdbcommands and se whats in that file? or even better see which package the file came with?
[09:44] <_tcc> will
[09:44] <JairunCaloth> gotta love ignore
[09:44] <_tcc> im done
[09:44] <kijutsu> My laptop dies at ACPI: subsystem revision 20050211; any idea what causes such?  It is a Sony Vaio PCG-FX190
[09:44] <LokeDK> _tcc, you are always welcome on my ignore
[09:44] <kijutsu> haw
[09:44] <HappyFool> hmm. why does coreutils not appear as an entry in the main info directory? odd.
[09:45] <_mike> funkyHat, im in UbuntuLive, now how would i partition my disc?
[09:45] <scav> somedude_, only thing there is to works
[09:45] <scav> bt
[09:45] <scav> quit
[09:45] <_tcc> :)
[09:45] <_tcc> i alays wished
[09:45] <scav> words
[09:45] <viper> barongas: when i do that this blank this opens in the terminal
[09:45] <durt> opqdonut: you need to hoary extras repo i think
[09:45] <James_Ward> Okay, udev isn't creating md0.  Anyone know how to fixy this?
[09:45] <funkyHat> _mike, open a terminal, and type sudo apt-get install gparted
[09:45] <opqdonut> durt: k what is the line
[09:45] <dawkirst> Does anyone have any experience with a amd64-bit port? I'm trying to run an executable.
[09:45] <_mike> ok
[09:46] <Lever> Last week a kernel upgrade for the k7 kernel was issued via synaptic. How would I go about reverting to the version I had before this upgrade?
[09:46] <funkyHat> once that's done, sudo gparted
[09:46] <barongas> viper: when you type nano /etc/apt/sources.list it's blank?
[09:46] <somedude_> scav, ok.. thanks! Do u know which pkg it came with?
[09:46] <opqdonut> dawkirst: i'm running it now
[09:46] <viper> yea
[09:46] <durt> oqpdonut:deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:46] <durt> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:46] <opqdonut> thx
[09:46] <viper> well now its not
[09:46] <viper> now it worked
[09:46] <smudo> darheart:  thanks...running now.  =-)
[09:46] <_mike> funkyHat, there is no GParted package
[09:46] <funkyHat> hmm...
[09:47] <opqdonut> durt: yah i've got those
[09:47] <James_Ward> Does aanyone know how to configure udev to create md0?
[09:47] <viper> barongas: then what do i do?
[09:47] <smudo> dark:  does it work the same to downgrade?
[09:47] <scav> samba-common i believe
[09:47] <leo1> what is web author in Ubuntu (like frontpage n so on ... ) ?
[09:47] <somedude_> scav, please do this: "sudo dpkg -l | grep gdbcommands" and let me know what u get?
[09:47] <barongas> viper: was the sources.list blank or did you see lots of sources in it?
[09:47] <leo1> want to creage webpage in Ubuntu.
[09:47] <somedude_> i have reinstalled samba-common and the file still wont show up!
[09:48] <darkheart> smudo Err..I think if you try to downgrade, you might break a lot of things. I don't really mess w/ breezy, so someone else might know that answer, sorry.
[09:48] <scav> lars@RING05074:~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep gdbcommands
[09:48] <scav> lars@RING05074:~$
[09:48] <scav> nothing
[09:48] <durt> opqdonut: try searching for the package you need at apt-get.org
[09:48] <HappyFool> LokeDK: you can get more info on file permissions by typing 'info coreutils' at the command-line; i'm afraid i can't offer a very good solution for creating webpages, though
[09:48] <scav> :|
[09:48] <somedude_> scav. aargh
[09:48] <viper> first it was blank, i tried it again, and it has code in it now
[09:48] <reiki_work> leo1: you can look for nvu or install Bluefish. Bluefish is not WYSIWYG
[09:48] <robotgeek> smudo: u did create a separate /home partition right?
[09:48] <opqdonut> durt: will do
[09:48] <buulian> can you use c++ to write the Linux installer
[09:48] <somedude_> scav, annoying!! but thanks for trying! :)
[09:48] <HappyFool> LokeDK: I suspect there is a standard solution; perhaps if you ask again later, some will tell you
[09:48] <smudo> robotgeek:  nope
[09:48] <LokeDK> okay.. thanks :)
[09:48] <funkyHat> _mike, try enabling universe
[09:49] <_mike> ok
[09:49] <robotgeek> see, if you had done that, a reinstall would be relatively painless
[09:49] <Ivan> Hello all
[09:49] <buulian> what progamming language is the Ubuntu Linux install program written in?
[09:49] <pamungkas> hey guys thanks, i finally found wmaker
[09:49] <_mike> funkeyHat, how do i enable universe
[09:49] <linukso> buulian: perl I think
[09:49] <barongas> viper: cool now insert a line deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:49] <smudo> robotgeek:  hehehe...true.  Some day I'll learn to do the same on my play machines as I do on my production machines.
[09:50] <HappyFool> somedude_: good question; never noticed that file before
[09:50] <linukso> buulian: but there has been some talk on porting the debian installer to python
[09:50] <funkyHat> _mike, (click settings > repositories, click the second item in the list 'ubuntu 5.04 "hoary.....' and click edit, in the sections box, add a space and then universe)
[09:50] <buulian> linukso, can one use c++ to do the same job?
[09:50] <funkyHat> so it reads main restricted universe
[09:50] <_mike> ok
[09:50] <Tarcastil> hello, is there a log file that stores the text from the bootup screen?
[09:50] <linukso> buulian: you could, but there is _really_ no reason to write it in C++
[09:51] <darkheart> LokeDK I think this site will help you some http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html
[09:51] <somedude_> HappyFool, crap.. i didnt put it there and accedently removed it.. trying to restore the folder to how it was.. but im stuck with that file.. on the other hand SAMBA is working.. but somehing isnt.. dont know what :P
[09:51] <HappyFool> somedude_: it appears to be a part of the samba-common package
[09:51] <opqdonut> durt: there is only an i386 version. can i install that? i'm running amd64
[09:51] <Ivan> Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could give me some help with booting up Ubuntu on my computer
[09:51] <buulian> linukso, is perl best for that job?
[09:51] <viper> that line already exists in that file
[09:51] <HappyFool> somedude_: maybe if you reinstall that, it will return
[09:51] <funkyHat> _mike, sorry, that was in synaptic, just realised i wasn't telling you the synaptic way before
[09:51] <robotgeek> buulian: python :)
[09:51] <somedude_> HappyFool, hmm.. so if i remove the samba-common pack and install it - it should come back right??
[09:51] <linukso> buulian: perl or python might be a wise choice
[09:51] <barongas> viper: The entire line? with hoary-extras and multiverse?
[09:51] <buulian> linukso, thank you very much
[09:51] <HappyFool> somedude_: or just reinstall: 'sudo aptitude reinstall samba-common'
[09:51] <viper> yea
[09:52] <LokeDK> i'll look at it darkheart - thanks a lot
[09:52] <barongas> viper: ok, ctrl-c and then type apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:52] <_mike> E: Couldn't find package gparted
[09:52] <buulian> linukso, do you know of a way to make it so when booting i can have a boot screen instead of the startup text?
[09:52] <HappyFool> !info gparted
[09:52] <robotgeek> somedude_: or "sudo aptitude purge samba-common && sudo aptitude install samba-common"
[09:52] <ubotu> gparted: (partition editor for GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.8+cvs2005022001-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 303 kB, Installed size: 1152 kB
[09:52] <ms12> with nautilus in breezy there is now address bar when running browser option?
[09:53] <somedude_> HappyFool, it didnt work.. :( ill try your tip robotgeek! .. just a sec
[09:53] <_mike> funkyHat, i dont think it worked
[09:53] <Yabden> there are various kernel patches that can add bootup screens (bootsplash and fbsplash come to mind)
[09:53] <funkyHat> _mike, did you sudo apt-get update or click reload in synaptic?
[09:53] <robertlee> anybody know where i can find a driver for my orinoco pci adapter
[09:53] <_mike> yes i reloaded in synaptic
[09:53] <funkyHat> how annoying...
[09:53] <durt> opqdonut: you could also try searching here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[09:53] <Ivan> anyone able to help me out with a Live bootup on an AMD64 Athlon laptop?
[09:53] <barongas> viper: afk a minute
[09:54] <viper> ok
[09:54] <_mike> funkyHat, i searched synaptic and a parted is already installed and its a partition tool, should i use it?
[09:54] <liquidfire> !start desktop war
[09:54] <ubotu> liquidfire: No idea
[09:54] <opqdonut> durt: k
[09:54] <liquidfire> !start a desktop war
[09:54] <ubotu> e is much better than xfce!
[09:54] <robotgeek> !lart ubotu
[09:54] <Seveas> :)
[09:54] <robotgeek> :)
[09:55] <somedude_> robotgeek, hehe.. now my /etc/samba folder is TOTALLY empty???
[09:55] <funkyHat> _mike, parted is a command line based partition tool
[09:55] <Seveas> !botsnack
[09:55] <ubotu> :)
[09:55] <Ivan> anyone?
[09:55] <robotgeek> somedude_: isn't that what u wanted?
[09:55] <sexcopter8000m> in linux in general, how can i find out what distro is running from shell?
[09:55] <_mike> funkyHat, if you helped me i could probably use it
[09:55] <funkyHat> yes you can use it though
[09:55] <somedude_> robotgeek, nooooooo.. hahaha.. i wanted it to be restored!
[09:55] <funkyHat> guys, will parted properly resize ext3 partitions?
[09:55] <opqdonut> durt: no luck
[09:56] <robotgeek> somedude_: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common"
[09:56] <Ivan> can anyone read this??
[09:56] <somedude_> robotgeek, ok please hold! ;)
[09:56] <_mike> funkyHat, how would i go about using it
[09:56] <crashd>  i	no
[09:57] <durt> opqdonut: try here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36577.html
[09:57] <HappyFool> somedude_: see here for some info on the file: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg01844.html   -- it's probably not that important; mine has just two lines, one with 'bt' and the other with 'quit'
[09:57] <jorge_> I need somebody with ubunto on a toshiba satellite, mine is A45-S250
[09:57] <ms12> how to execute a log on script with an xsession. I used to put the script in .xsession and run the default in gdm. I want to run this script with openbox any help is appreciated
[09:57] <HappyFool> somedude_: it probably just generates a backtrace if something goes wrong
[09:57] <durt> jorge i have one
[09:57] <funkyHat> _mike, do mount
[09:57] <funkyHat> this will list your partitions
[09:57] <robotgeek> ms12: k
[09:57] <jorge_> man do you know how the Fn key works
[09:57] <Ivan> testing
[09:57] <durt> jorge_: what's wrong?
[09:58] <funkyHat> _mike, pastebin or #flood the output
[09:58] <funkyHat> !pastebin
[09:58] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:58] <jorge_> I wanted to install toshiba utils, to be able to swith dysplays
[09:58] <ms12> robotgeek ?
[09:58] <HappyFool> somedude_: ah-ha -- look in /usr/share/samba/panic-action -- that's where gdbcommands gets used
[09:58] <jorge_> but it doesnt work
[09:58] <_mike> funkyHat, i posted it in #flood
[09:58] <barongas> viper: back, how's it going?
[09:58] <durt> between lcd and crt?
[09:58] <viper> still freezes
[09:58] <viper> :(
[09:59] <rtcm> hello, anyone knows where is libXp.so.6 in breezy?
[09:59] <jorge_> Ujum
[09:59] <jorge_> yes
[09:59] <robotgeek> ms12: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239 (openbox + gnome) or http://icculus.org/openbox/docs.php?page=build.html#install-xdm (for only openbox)
[09:59] <somedude_> HappyFool, robotgeek, OMG.. i was standing in the samba folder all the time issuing all your commands.. did a ls -lah and nada.. BUT when i cd out of the dir and did a ls -lah samba/ all the files showed up!.. is that supposed to happen???
[09:59] <durt> do you have the toshiba_acpi installed?
[09:59] <BirdFish> Where can I find a print driver for a deskjet g85?
[09:59] <jorge_> Did you maked work?
[09:59] <jorge_> nope
[09:59] <durt> ok hold on
[10:00] <somedude_> dont get me wrong, im happy.. the files are back hehe.. but yeah well u know.. weird!!
[10:00] <HappyFool> somedude_: the /etc/samba directory was removed when you did a purge
[10:00] <robotgeek> somedude_: maybe not, maybe yes...who knows these things!
[10:00] <barongas> viper :Did you get an authentication warning?
[10:00] <funkyHat> haha, sorry _mike just realised that lists mounted partitions, the one you want to edit isn't mounted
[10:00] <HappyFool> somedude_: the directory you were listing was some non-existent (ie. deleted) dir
[10:00] <viper> no
[10:00] <jorge_> I try to install toshutils-2.0.1 but it doesnt work
[10:00] <viper> no errors
[10:00] <funkyHat> not being very helpful here am i
[10:00] <Ivan> Testing
[10:00] <somedude_> HappyFool, but it was replaced?
[10:00] <viper> just freezes when i press play
[10:00] <_mike> wuteve
[10:00] <_mike> r
[10:00] <HappyFool> somedude_: indeed, as you've seen
[10:00] <robotgeek> Ivan: just state your problem, some one will help you
[10:00] <barongas> viper: Ok, that's good. That means the packages aren't down
[10:01] <viper> its fixable?
[10:01] <navilon> does anyone know how to boot an Ubuntu live CD (PPC edition) on an old performa 5xxx series?
[10:01] <barongas> viper: try apt-get remove gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:01] <somedude_> HappyFool, but i did a ls -lah a second before and it was empty, then cd .. and then ls -lah samba/ and POFF.. all is well..
[10:01] <durt> jorge_: edit /etc/modules.conf so that "toshiba_acpi" is in there
[10:01] <funkyHat> impatience.... i could have helped him if he'd given me a chance ;)
[10:01] <viper> i found this sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:01] <CookedGryphon> where does firefox store its cookies in win xp? cos i want to transfer them direct to my ubuntu firefox, is this possible?
[10:01] <smudo> !upgrade
[10:01] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:01] <robotgeek> navilon: never tried that...old world mac, huh
[10:01] <ms12> robotgeek thanks i ve read those threads. I want to run openbox as stand alone not a window manager for gnome. And the openbox reference just say consult gdm manual
[10:01] <jorge_> Ok
[10:01] <Ivan> hey guys, i'm having a problem doing a live boot on my laptop...it looks like it boots correctly, but when it gets to the logo (Linux for human beings) it freezes...anyone know what's happening?
[10:01] <barongas> viper: mad should cover mp3s
[10:01] <HappyFool> somedude_: the 'CWD' got muddled when /etc/samba was erased by the 'purge'
[10:02] <durt> jorge_: then "sudo modprobe toshiba_acpi"
[10:02] <barongas> viper: Then apt-get update to make sure
[10:02] <robotgeek> ms12: i ended up using kdm + openbox, i din't want to mess with gdm
[10:02] <viper> ok
[10:02] <navilon> does anyone know how to boot an Ubuntu live CD (PPC edition) on an old performa 5xxx series?
[10:02] <HappyFool> somedude_: your CWD was some nebulous nowhere; and when the new /etc/samba was created, you were not there, but still in limbo
[10:02] <barongas> viper: Then apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad again
[10:02] <leo1> NVU(web author) has different types for OSs , which one can i use for Ubuntu ?
[10:02] <somedude_> HappyFool, ok.. i think i understand.. well olmost! And thats good enough!! haha.. many thanks to you both!! :))
[10:02] <somedude_> robotgeek too
[10:02] <robotgeek> somedude_: np
[10:03] <viper> brb
[10:03] <barongas> viper: oh yeah and sudo before all the apt-gets
[10:03] <ms12> robotgeek ok thanx for your help. Will try to do more search on it thanx again
[10:03] <jorge_> I dont hace modules.conf
[10:03] <jorge_> have*
[10:03] <palmero> hi, just installed ubuntu and am trying to get shfs to work. I get the following error msg: shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel. Any ideas?
[10:03] <roham_> Why does eggdrop install so weird
[10:03] <roham_> ?
[10:03] <icewt> leol, http://cvs.nvu.com/download/nvu-1.0-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2
[10:04] <durt> jorge_: my bad: /etc/modules
[10:04] <jorge_> ok
[10:04] <robotgeek> jorge_: the 2.6 kernel doesn't use modules.conf, it uses /etc/modprobe.d/
[10:04] <durt> jorge_: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[10:04] <icewt> er.. i mean leo1
[10:04] <Ivan> anyone able to help me out? having a problem with live cd booting and freezing...
[10:04] <barongas> palmero: try instlaling shfs-source shfs-utils
[10:04] <roham_> I installed eggdrop through synaptic
[10:04] <roham_> is it bad?
[10:05] <dystopia> is there some user-friendly way to get ndiswrapper set up?
[10:05] <Seveas> yes
[10:05] <Seveas> roham_, try supybot instead
[10:05] <Seveas> and don't play woth bots in here :)
[10:05] <palmero> barongas: already installed
[10:05] <roham_> Seveas: no I like eggdrop
[10:05] <jorge_> ok
[10:05] <roham_> Seveas: but should I install it by my self
[10:05] <barongas> palmero: Hmmm
[10:05] <jorge_> I got the module file
[10:05] <Ivan> anyone?
[10:05] <roham_> Seveas: with the source file?
[10:05] <durt> jorge_: and have you "sudo modprobe toshiba_acpi"?
[10:05] <zenrox> ya take the bot building questions to #ubuntuforums at least
[10:06] <Seveas> roham_, no, installing from the repositories is better
[10:06] <HappyFool> !info eggdrop
[10:06] <ubotu> eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 1.6.17-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 459 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB
[10:06] <Seveas> Ivan, try a few different acpi parameters
[10:06] <jorge_> do I download toshiba_acpi?
[10:06] <Sammi_> I am trying to install emacs and I followed the instructions ('cd' to the directory, then './configure',) but then it couldn't find gcc or cc and it gave me the error "configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH".
[10:06] <barongas> palmero: check out http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/stirling/computergeek/lufs.html and see if it helps you
[10:06] <roham_> Seveas: but where are the eggdrop dir?
[10:06] <durt> jorge_: no
[10:06] <durt> jorge_: where are you
[10:06] <palmero> barongas: Thanx, will do :)
[10:06] <reiki_work> anyone wanna hear why you don't NEED to run SpamAssassin with Evolution? :)  After I spent 2 days getting it working to my satisfaction?  Well... I'm gonna tell anyways...
[10:06] <Sionide> how the fuck do you invite someone into a 3way msn convo, on gaim?!
[10:06] <roham_> Seveas: with modules, logs, text, script and so on
[10:06] <Sionide> i can't see how to!
[10:06] <Seveas> roham_, dpkg -L eggdrop
[10:06] <smudo> Sammi_:  install gcc
[10:06] <barongas> palmero: np
[10:07] <HappyFool> Sammi_: i think emacs is installed by default (i maybe be wrong); if not, you can install it from synaptic
[10:07] <leo1> thanks, icewt
[10:07] <Seveas> HappyFool, it's not :)
[10:07] <HappyFool> Seveas: *gasp*
[10:07] <reiki_work> See... Evolution USES SpamAssassin if you simply install spamassassin and turn on junk filter in evolution..
[10:07] <zenrox> Sammi_,  install emacs fro mthe ubuntu reporsties
[10:07] <HappyFool> Seveas: i guess it was the first thing i installed then :P
[10:07] <durt> jorge_: have you added the line "toshiba_acpi" to /etc/modules?
[10:07] <Seveas> HappyFool, you've gone to the dark side :)
[10:07] <reiki_work> so... my spamassassin filter waas catching less and less spam because Evolutions junk filter runs before anything else
[10:07] <earl_> Hello, can anyone answer my n00b question??
[10:07] <roham_> Seveas: so the bin file is in bin, and the modules in lib... ok but where should the conf file be then?
[10:07] <jorge_> no Im going to add it
[10:07] <HappyFool> Seveas: together we can rule the galaxy!
[10:07] <HappyFool> Sammi_: you can install emacs from synaptic, or using apt-get
[10:07] <earl_> i am trying to install some ATI drivers...
[10:07] <smudo> earl_:  depends
[10:08] <reiki_work> and it LEARNED so quick, the mail wasn't even MAKING it to my spamassassin filter! :)
[10:08] <earl_> and when I went to the ATI site it told me to download a .run file
[10:08] <Seveas> DON'T
[10:08] <earl_> i'm not exactly sure what to do with it.
[10:08] <Seveas> !ati
[10:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:08] <Ivan> Seveas, what do you mean by different acpi parrameters? I'm brand new to linux, and not too boot-savvy
[10:08] <jorge_> I add it at the end
[10:08] <jorge_> of the file
[10:08] <earl_> oh. that has what i need then?
[10:08] <Seveas> Ivan, try acpi=off as boot parameter
[10:08] <smudo> !tell earl about ati
[10:08] <Seveas> earl_, that wikipage describes what to do
[10:08] <earl_> thank you
[10:09] <roham_> Seveas: so the bin file is in bin, and the modules in lib... ok but where should the conf file be then?
[10:09] <roham_> usr/xxx
[10:09] <Ivan> Ok, i'll give it a shot. thanks, and ill be back to tell ya if it worked
[10:09] <HappyFool> Sammi_: emacs is on the ubuntu install CD -- or you can install it off the net
[10:09] <Seveas> roham_, you should create one yourself, probably there's an example in the docs dir
[10:09] <Seveas> /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/
[10:09] <puff> Anybody familiar with rhythmplayer?
[10:09] <Sammi_> Hmm.
[10:10] <roham_> Seveas: yes I have and I put it in my home dir
[10:10] <KeepItReal> i have just installed this .deb file by console...
[10:10] <KeepItReal> Creating images... done.
[10:10] <KeepItReal> Starting Win4Lin Pro: done.
[10:10] <viper> erm, it didnt work
[10:10] <roham_> seveas: but the eggdrop -m gather.conf says that it cant find the modules dir...
[10:10] <KeepItReal> now where can i find the program ?
[10:10] <roham_> seveas: like this /.../home/user/modules
[10:11] <Seveas> roham_, you might need to specify it...
[10:11] <hunab> somebody to install notmd?
[10:11] <HappyFool> KeepItReal: try 'dpkg -L <packagename>|grep bin'
[10:11] <roham_> Seveas; thats the bad thing... I hade eggdrop before... and I had everything under one dir...
[10:11] <reiki_work> eggdrops have come a long way... we ran several on #windows 10 years ago when I was an opper there on efnet. They still run 'em.
[10:12] <KeepItReal> thanks HappyFool
[10:12] <Seveas> eggdrops use evil tcl
[10:12] <HappyFool> i thought emacs was evil? :P
[10:13] <Seveas> creating eggdrop script in emacs is even more evil :)
[10:13] <windex> all text editors are equally evil. the evil is not the in the editor, but in the text. </zen>
[10:13] <HappyFool> hunab: what's notmd ?
[10:13] <Seveas> :)
[10:13] <hunab> notmd is a manager netmd of sony in unix
[10:14] <KeepItReal> like this HappyFool sudo dpkg -L win4linpro_6.1.1-03_i386.deb grep bin
[10:14] <KeepItReal>  ?
[10:14] <HappyFool> KeepItReal: try 'dpkg -L win4linpro|grep bin'
[10:14] <KeepItReal> ok
[10:14] <HappyFool> KeepItReal: note the | (maybe above backslash)
[10:14] <liquidfire> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i1519 hehe check my background :)
[10:14] <liquidfire> it's really cool :D
[10:15] <roham_> Seveas; [22:14]  Can't load modules channels: /etc/modules/channels.so: cannot open shared object file: Not a directory
[10:15] <HappyFool> hunab: not me, sorry
[10:15] <roham_> Seveas: and now I have the conf file in etc
[10:15] <Seveas> roham_, shouldn't that be /usr/lib/eggdrop/modules ?
[10:15] <roham_> Seveas: it is
[10:15] <Seveas> then put it correctly in the config...
[10:16] <roham_> Seveas but then I need to put the conf file in /usr/lib/eggdrop
[10:16] <KeepItReal> thanks HappyFool !
[10:16] <Seveas> roham_, no
[10:16] <Seveas> you should put the correct path in the config...
[10:16] <roham_> oh
[10:17] <roham_> Seveas: I gonna uninstall it
[10:17] <JHK> i need a tool for convert msf/mds images to iso images
[10:18] <JHK> sry, it should be mdf/mds images
[10:19] <Ivan> seveas, I tried acpi=off..it still froze at the rectangle logo
[10:20] <BirdFish> Can you log into cups with ubuntu?
[10:20] <awb4422> Im looking to buy a new sound card and I want one that will work after a fresh install of ubuntu - anyone have any ideas or experiences?
[10:21] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[10:21] <palmero> barongas: now i've built and installed shfs and it seems to be working. I can mount but i can't get any access to the files the mountpoint once i've mounted
[10:21] <Lars_G> Seveas: Sir. I just came to tell, that I love ubuntu and you all people.
[10:21] <earl_> so i tried what it said on that wikipage, seveas... i'm not sure i did it right.
[10:21] <reiki_work> *feel the love!*
[10:21] <Lars_G> I just got my Ubuntu CDs, I didn't knew they included LiveCDs as well.
[10:22] <Lars_G> for the next month or so, every client I visit with linxu troubles will get an ubuntu set, so will my friends.
[10:22] <Lars_G> The onyl sad part is that seemingly Ubuntu didn't have any of the PPC cds I ordered (no ppc on the envelope at all), so I won't be able to distribute on the local Macintosh Users Group as I wanted to
[10:23] <liquidfire> nice Lars_G
[10:23] <reiki_work> Lars_G: I'm having a similar good experience with Ubuntu
[10:23] <liquidfire> :D
[10:23] <Lars_G> Yes, Ubuntu is refreshing
[10:23] <Blissex> Lars_G: Kubuntu!
[10:23] <HappyFool> maybe the ppc are distributed separately?
[10:23] <Ivan> After trying the acpi=off boot command, my Live CD bootup of Ubuntu freezes after playing the sound and getting to the rectangle logo...would anyone be able to help me out please?
[10:23] <reiki_work> and this channel has been a GREAT resource... even if they *don't* care to listen to all my ramblings about Evolution and spam control :)
[10:23] <Lars_G> HappyFool: Maybe but i ordered less PPC than ix86, and it would be cost ineffective for Ubuntu to send them separatedly.
[10:23] <HappyFool> the little warty boxes i saw had x86 live/install and amd64 in them, i think
[10:23] <KeepItReal> anyone knows any software to run an nokia .exe ???
[10:23] <BirdFish> How do you log into cups administration with ubuntu?
[10:23] <HappyFool> Lars_G: just guessing
[10:23] <srid> KeepItReal: wine
[10:24] <KeepItReal> okay tks
[10:24] <Ex-Cyber> awb4422: it's been quite a while since I've used an actual sound card (rather than onboard) but IIRC I had good results with the Creative/Ensoniq "AudioPCI" card... but if you are shopping for a soundcard for expanded hardware capabilities that may be a poor choice since it's a fairly basic card
[10:24] <Ex-Cyber> also since that was a while ago I don't know if they still sell it
[10:25] <reiki_work> Ex-Cyber: I have about 4 of those cards. That was a great card.
[10:25] <Lars_G> Ex-Cyber: Not anymore, but the Sound Blaster Live is a worthy sucessor.
[10:25] <awb4422> ex-cyber: at this point, i just want something that works. I bought an old school sb live off ebay, but the seller packaged it bad and now its damaged
[10:25] <Lars_G> Ex-Cyber: Plus, Midi-Wise the Live has better support under linux (with sfxload) than the AudioPCI
[10:25] <awb4422> i have an nforce2 chipset, but i only get audio out of the left speaker. I've tried everything....
[10:25] <awb4422> speakers work fine otherwise
[10:25] <earl_> can someone help me out with the installation of ATI drivers? (that wikipage kinda confused me)
[10:25] <leo1> In ubuntu graphical windows, some menus are fade and i can not use.
[10:26] <leo1> can anyone explain me, pls ?
[10:26] <Ex-Cyber> I had some goofy problems with SB Live hard locking my dad's system... it's probably fixed now but I know I wasn't the only person to encounter it... basically Creative fans blame VIA and VIA fans blame Creative and nobody seems to be able to give a straight answer about it
[10:26] <reiki_work> leo1: usually a faded menu section contains choices not relevant to what you're doing
[10:26] <jorge_> Anyone knows how to make the SD Card work on Ubuntu, I have a toshiba Satellite A45-S250
[10:26] <Lars_G> leo1: In general faded menu entries are entries that are not applicable or usseable at the current state/moment and thus are dissabled.
[10:26] <Sammi_> Anyway, thanks for helping out.
[10:26] <awb4422> ah i see. When i have my sound card in my system, the bootup process gets hung at "starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:27] <Lars_G> leo1: Dissabled entries, are faded to let you know theyr status
[10:27] <Ex-Cyber> I doubt that problem exists in current SB Live cards though since this was a card purchased quite a while ago, one of the original SB Live! Value cards
[10:27] <smudo> bai bai
[10:27] <puff> Hm, odd, my gnome terminal doesn't show the scroll bar.
[10:27] <Ivan> After trying the acpi=off boot command, my Live CD bootup of Ubuntu freezes after playing the sound and getting to the rectangle logo...would anyone be able to help me out please
[10:28] <Lars_G> leo1: If an option you NEED is faded, you need to reach a certain state/point to enable it. What point/state it is, depends on the option and what you're trying to do
[10:28] <Ivan> still*
[10:28] <puff> That is, the scroll bar is there, but it occupies the entire space, can't scroll back.
[10:28] <jorge_> Anyone knows how to make the SD Card work on Ubuntu, I have a toshiba Satellite A45-S250
[10:28] <puff> I seem to have scrolling enabled in the profile. Any ideas?
[10:29] <Lars_G> puff: And you have something to scroll back TO?
[10:29] <FR500> hello
[10:29] <puff> Lars_G: Yup.
[10:29] <FR500> is there any program similar to visio for linux?
[10:29] <puff> Just did "cvs -n update".
[10:29] <puff> And I can't scroll up and see the earlier part of the listing.
[10:29] <Lars_G> FR500: dia
[10:30] <Lars_G> FR500: For gnome, and kivio for KDE
[10:30] <earl_> can someone help me out with the installation of ATI drivers?
[10:30] <poningru> www.pcarchiv.com/fm
[10:30] <poningru> err thats not it
[10:30] <poningru> http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/
[10:30] <poningru> earl_: whats wrong?
[10:30] <earl_> um, i don't know how to do it.
[10:30] <poningru> what card are you using?
[10:30] <FR500> Lars_G: thanks
[10:30] <earl_> somoene gave me a wikipage that was supposed to explani it, but i'm not really good with linux so it didn't make sense to me.
[10:30] <leo1> for example, when i make new folder in /var/www/myfolder
[10:30] <earl_> radeon9600pro.
[10:31] <Ivan> no one would be willing to help?
[10:31] <Lars_G> leo1: and????
[10:31] <webby`> Hi, How come Crossover doesn't start up for me? I click on it and it does nothing. I'm using Breezy
[10:31] <poningru> what wiki page did they give?
[10:31] <leo1> i can't use (create folder) command on file menu
[10:31] <poningru> gotta go
[10:31] <Lars_G> webby`: Try to run it from the shell and see if it gives any error messages.
[10:31] <earl_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:31] <webby`> ok
[10:32] <leo1> but on desktop, menu works
[10:32] <uthini> arb, sound not working on my new mobo
[10:32] <HappyFool> earl_: how far did you get?
[10:32] <Lars_G> leo1: Permissology troubles.
[10:32] <earl_> well, i did the first step, and it downloaded something.
[10:32] <Lars_G> leo1: You'r use has not enough permissions to create a folder on the other location.
[10:32] <fourcheeze> Ivan: I'd love to help but I don't know how to :-)
[10:32] <leo1> how to ?
[10:32] <earl_> then the other steps are like "do this, and if it works restart." but I don't really know how to tell if it worked or not.
[10:33] <Lars_G> leo1: You need to learn more on unix type permissions, sorry I don't have a good link off the top of my head.
[10:33] <Ivan> fourcheeze: thats ok
[10:33] <HappyFool> earl_: fair enough. ok, you did the 'apt-get' step, right?
[10:33] <earl_> yup
[10:33] <fourcheeze> Ivan: I would suggest turning off more stuff
[10:33] <HappyFool> earl_: you're following the hoary instructions, right? (just to check)
[10:33] <earl_> yup.
[10:33] <earl_> 5.04.
[10:33] <fourcheeze> Ivan: checkout the help in the boot manager
[10:34] <HappyFool> earl_: ok, did you try step 2 or not yet?
[10:34] <Ivan> fourcheeze: the problem is, this is the first time i've tried using ubuntu..and I really don't know what to do. I did look in there, and I tried a BUNCH of diffrerent combinations, but none of them worked
[10:34] <leo1> but i can make mkdir command in terminal with root account
[10:35] <earl_> that's the line that starts with echo right?
[10:35] <HappyFool> earl_: if you want to see the effect of that command, you can type 'cat /etc/modules' before and after running it; after running it, you should see 'fglrx' added to the output of the 'cat' command
[10:35] <HappyFool> earl_: yip
[10:35] <earl_> I did that and all it did was write "Fglrx" under it
[10:35] <HappyFool> earl_: that's fine
[10:35] <bimberi> leo1, are you trying to create /var/www/<something>?
[10:35] <liquidfire> anyone know how to add a WPK key too an WG311T chipset ?
[10:36] <HappyFool> earl_: if you type 'cat /etc/modules', does the output end with 'fglrx' ?
[10:36] <leo1> yes
[10:36] <liquidfire> WPA-PSK or something
[10:36] <HappyFool> earl_: case is important
[10:36] <HappyFool> earl_: (i.e., fglrx, not Fglrx)
[10:36] <leo1> i use mkdir command in terminal
[10:36] <Lars_G> leo1: That is the part... with root account. when you open the file manager in X you're opening it with your user, not root.
[10:36] <leo1> it is work
[10:36] <Seveas> liquidfire, install wpasupplicant and read the wpahowto@wiki
[10:36] <bimberi> leo1: ok, what group does /var/www belong to (usually www-data iirc)
[10:36] <earl_> yes, it actually says fglrx twice now, since i did the step a second time when you told me to
[10:36] <Lars_G> leo1: If you want to open the file manager with root, you need to open it from a shell under su (root), or use a program like kdesu.
[10:36] <HappyFool> earl_: hmm
[10:36] <bimberi> leo1: ls -l /var/www
[10:37] <Lars_G> leo1: And be carefull, using a file manager as root needs for you to take each step with care or you can do lots of damage.
[10:37] <HappyFool> earl_: probably doesn't matter; if you like, you can remove the second with a text editor (e.g., 'sudo gedit /etc/modules')
[10:37] <orn72> could you get kmobiletools, or wammu/gammu working via apt-get isntall?
[10:37] <bimberi> leo1: oops    ls -ld /var/www
[10:37] <linlin> i need help :( i lost my user password
[10:37] <linlin> but
[10:37] <earl_> quick questions, what exactly does 'sudo' mean
[10:38] <Lars_G> bimberi: That will list contents. he needs ls -ld /var/www to see www's permissologies, and don't tell him to chown/chmod lightly, one needs to know how permissologies work before playing with chown/chmod or you'll fill your install with security holes
[10:38] <HappyFool> earl_: 'super-user do'
[10:38] <earl_> ah
[10:38] <linlin> i had gnome setup for auto login, so i can still use the computer
[10:38] <earl_> i see.
[10:38] <Lars_G> linlin: Are you the machine's owner?
[10:38] <linlin> yes i am
[10:38] <HappyFool> earl_: you can find out more here:
[10:38] <HappyFool> !sudo
[10:38] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:38] <linlin> its sitting next to me
[10:38] <linlin> i am the only one ever to use it
[10:38] <HappyFool> earl_: ok, did you try the sed command? (don't try it again if you have ;)
[10:38] <bimberi> Lars_G: i reckon he needs to be made a member of the appropriate group... (no chown, chmod required :) )
[10:38] <Lars_G> linlin: You can start with a live cd, mount your hard disk, then "chroot /<mountpoint>" to where it's mounted, and run "passwd <user>" to change it.
[10:39] <Lars_G> bimberi: Ahh well yes, that is a sane solution :)
[10:39] <webby`> Crossover still doesn't start up. I type crossover and crossover-standard in the shell and it says file not found but I see that's it's installed under applications
[10:39] <bimberi> Lars_G: ta, i try :)
[10:39] <linlin> what would /<mountpoint> be
[10:39] <earl_> i did, yes
[10:39] <linlin> /dev/hda?
[10:39] <jorge_> Anyone knows how to make the SD Card work
[10:39] <Lars_G> linlin: Any place you can mount the disk, normally debian/ubuntu provides an empty "/mnt" point you can use for these cases.
[10:39] <HappyFool> earl_: ok, to test that one, try 'grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[10:39] <Lars_G> jorge_: SD?
[10:40] <HappyFool> earl_: you should see at least one line, i think, reading     Driver "fglrx"   (this is a bit of a guess - i don't have an ati card)
[10:40] <Lars_G> webby`: If it's not in the path, go to where it's installed and run "./crossover"
[10:40] <webby`> ok
[10:40] <jorge_> The flash card of the cameras
[10:40] <Lars_G> linlin: So, let's say your System hard disk is hda1 for example...
[10:40] <leo1> thanks for advices bcos i am newbies in linux
[10:40] <earl_> yupp, that is what it says
[10:40] <Lars_G> linlin: You boot with the live cd...
[10:40] <linlin> it is
[10:40] <HappyFool> earl_: ok, sounds like everything is set to go
[10:40] <Lars_G> linlin: Mount the partition: "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt" this mounts it on /mnt
[10:40] <linlin> well hang on i have a ubuntu live cd let me boot into it
[10:41] <sexcopter8000m> hi, in linux how can i find out what distro is running just from shell?
[10:41] <jacc||> how do i update ubuntu?
[10:41] <troy> does anyone know how to install hoary or breezy onto an mobo w/ the ATI IXP chipset and have it work with SATA?
[10:41] <earl_> ok, should i restart my computer again?
[10:41] <Lars_G> linlin: Then, you chroot into it, just for a short while: "chroot /mnt"
[10:41] <jorge_> tha toshiba satellite that i got has the SD Card slot, but I dont know how to make it work on ubuntu
[10:41] <Lars_G> linlin: And run passwd: "passwd <username>" and change it...
[10:41] <HappyFool> earl_: not really necessary, but it might be the easiest way
[10:41] <earl_> i see
[10:41] <Seveas> jacc||, with the package manager
[10:41] <linlin> i wont loose any data or have any adverse effects?
[10:41] <earl_> and what should i expect when i get back into ubuntu
[10:42] <HappyFool> earl_: well, you'll have faster 3D graphics, at least
[10:42] <earl_> like, will i be able to increase my desktop resolution to more than 2x2
[10:42] <jacc||> is it automatic  Seveas? even for kenrel update?
[10:42] <Lars_G> linlin: If you only do that, you shouldn't... passwd changes users passwords... what you're doing here is using chroot which changes your current root dir from / to /mnt, so the system thinks it's runnign off the mounted hda1
[10:42] <HappyFool> earl_: but before you reboot, do you have any other os (e.g., windows) installed on that machine?
[10:42] <earl_> yes, windows xp
[10:42] <bimberi> leo1: what does "ls -ld /var/www" show? (should be 1 line which you can paste here)
[10:42] <Seveas> jacc||, since hoary (ubuntu 5.04) security updates are done automatically if you enabled them
[10:42] <HappyFool> earl_: ok, just so you have some way of browsing the web/getting to irc in case things break
[10:43] <Lars_G> linlin: Then you run passwd, the passwd that is in /mnt/sbin since /mnt is now your root... and it will change the /mnt/etc/shadow file changing the password for your user.
[10:43] <earl_> yup
[10:43] <jacc||> thanks
[10:43] <Lars_G> linlin: Once it's changed, you can type "exit" to leave the chroot and return to / as root... and you can then reboot.
[10:43] <earl_> hm.
[10:43] <leo1> coming out
[10:43] <linlin> okie, booting livecd now
[10:43] <tchmnky> Anyone know a usable native Linux application to do multitrack waveform editing? I need something a bit like Audacity but which can reposition (drag) "blocks" of WAV files... Like a waveform sequencer...
[10:43] <leo1> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 4096 2005-08-18 23:07 /var/www
[10:43] <HappyFool> earl_: if it does break, you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and replace  Driver "fglrx" with   Driver "ati"  using a text editor; something like 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[10:43] <Lars_G> linlin: If you ran all this without the chroot you'd be altering /etc/shadow which is useless since it's copied from the live CD and not stored into anything but temporal memory. :)
[10:44] <HappyFool> earl_: see the bottom bit of the wiki page for testing the drivers
[10:44] <pmjdebruijn> hi
[10:44] <earl_> well when i try to change my screen resolution it says "the x server does not support the XRandR extension, runtime screen resolution changes unavailable" or something
[10:44] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here use a Pioneer DVR-109 in Ubuntu 5.04?
[10:44] <bimberi> leo1: eww, owned by the root user and group
[10:44] <earl_> will that change when i reboot?
[10:44] <Lars_G> linlin: In some more advanced recovery setups, you'd need to redirect your device dir /dev from the cd to the mounted hda1, but this is not necesary here since you're not working directly with any devices for this... sorry if I'm confusing you.
[10:44] <webby`> I got no luck running crossover from the folder Lars_G
[10:44] <mirak> hi
[10:44] <Lars_G> webby`: What does it say?
[10:44] <HappyFool> earl_: hmm, ok, not familiar with that; i'm not sure
[10:44] <mirak> what is the name of the framebuffer for gforce cards ?
[10:44] <Lars_G> webby`: what does "ls -l crossover" say?
[10:45] <HappyFool> earl_: there are other ways to tweak the resolution
[10:45] <earl_> oh?
[10:45] <pmjdebruijn> my Pioneer DVR-109 DVD Recorder doesn't work in Ubuntu 5.04
[10:45] <Lars_G> linlin: Did you understand what I told or was I too obfuscate? sorry I am bad giving explanations sometimes.
[10:45] <HappyFool> earl_: yet another wiki page:
[10:45] <HappyFool> !resolution
[10:45] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:45] <mirak> the boot frame buffer I mean
[10:45] <earl_> well i'm not lookin for somethin crazygonuts, i just want to be able to see more thna 65% of any given window
[10:45] <bimberi> leo1: have you created the directory you want?
[10:45] <webby`> No such file or directory Lars_G
[10:46] <Lars_G> jorge_: Are you still there?
[10:46] <earl_> should i run that whole 4-line command at once
[10:46] <earl_> or line by line
[10:46] <Lars_G> webby`: Then you're in the wrong directory, what version of crossover is this?
[10:46] <leo1> i use mkdir command with root account, it work.
[10:46] <webby`> It's version 4.2
[10:46] <HappyFool> earl_: first reboot to get your new drivers going
[10:46] <Srekel> my firefox is incredibly unstable!
[10:46] <leo1> is it right way?
[10:46] <earl_> k
[10:46] <earl_> i will be back in a secon then
[10:46] <Srekel> it crashes my session all too often
[10:47] <Lars_G> Srekel: Specially when using plugins?
[10:47] <Srekel> so I have to ssh and do kill -9 on the Xorg process
[10:47] <Srekel> Lars_G, I haven't added any that I know of
[10:47] <linlin> :( all my ubuntu cds that i ordered are failing the integrity checks
[10:47] <Lars_G> linlin: :/
[10:47] <Seveas> linlin, check your cd drive then...
[10:47] <Lars_G> Yes
[10:47] <pmjdebruijn> linlin, you sure your CD Drive will works properly?
[10:47] <linlin> acpi-modules-2.6................ is bad on all of them
[10:47] <linlin> i hope so
[10:47] <jacc||> can ubuntu see ntfs formatted drive?
[10:48] <natrin> need to make 'chown' permanent in ubuntu ?
[10:48] <Lars_G> or your IDE cables... I had a CD-ROM unit fail for it had a damaged IDE cable
[10:48] <linlin> i jsut got it, its a dvd burner and such
[10:48] <Seveas> jacc||: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[10:48] <funkyHat> jacc||, yes
[10:48] <bimberi> leo1: probably, however I am mindful of Lars_G's point earlier.  You will need to read up on unix/linux security/permissions so that you don't make your system insecure
[10:48] <leo1> thanks
[10:48] <leo1> i will learn
[10:49] <Lars_G> linlin: Have you tested it in other systems? my advice with CDs and DVD burners: a) Check cables, old IDE cables can cause trouble.. b) Place the DVD manually in Master or Slave as is required, some DVD units fail to work if they're in Cable Select mode. c) Some motherboards are "broken" and will not use the CD/DVD well if you set it as Slave and there is no Master on the same IDE port.
[10:49] <natrin> I need to chown a file permanently .. after reboot it keeps changing back Help?
[10:49] <jacc||> thanks
[10:49] <Seveas> natrin, which file?
[10:49] <Lars_G> bimberi: I wonder how long it'll take for ACLs to become widespreadly common among distros.
[10:49] <linlin> i used the same configuration to load ubuntu
[10:49] <linlin> i will try it in another machine right now
[10:50] <natrin> my modem file in /dev
[10:50] <Seveas> Lars_G, i hope not too long, i think very long :)
[10:50] <thenuke> natrin: :-) /dev files are created at boot
[10:50] <Seveas> natrin, put yoursel in the dip, dialout and related groups
[10:50] <jacc||> why is ubuntu no.1 in distrowatch?
[10:50] <thenuke> natrin: /dev  has your 'devices' in it
[10:50] <Seveas>  /dev is a vertual filesystem that only exists in memory
[10:50] <HappyFool> cos we bribed them! err, i mean, lots of people click on the ubuntu link
[10:50] <thenuke> natrin: like.. you cannot change your hardware permanently :)
[10:50] <Seveas> jacc||, because it's the most popular
[10:50] <natrin> ok thanks
[10:50] <Seveas> and the best :)
[10:51] <Lars_G> Seveas: Well, such is life.
[10:51] <zer0`> when i play freeciv 2 i get this message and i hear no sound:   open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory   . im on a fresh install of hoary and my sound card can play midi
[10:51] <Lars_G> Seveas: There is only so far you can spread dedicated groups...
[10:51] <thenuke> wellh, I bet there was another way round his problem
[10:51] <linlin> the drive is on secondary bus as master
[10:51] <jacc||> not that it's the best?
[10:51] <Lars_G> Seveas: At least debian/ubuntu makes the best use of dedicated groups i've seen so far...
[10:51] <Seveas> indeed
[10:51] <Seveas> i'd really love to see ACL's in ubuntu too
[10:52] <Lars_G> linlin: Hmm then it should read, and ubuntu shipped CDs are pressed, which should make them safer, last longer, and less propense to be missread
[10:52] <linlin> yes i agree
[10:52] <jacc||> Ubuntu: the best in support
[10:52] <jacc||> :)
[10:52] <Lars_G> Seveas: Well I had to recompile my kernel in the second day after install so I activated them away, but i'd like to see it integrated into gnome/kde toolsets.
[10:52] <linlin> maybe all the pressed cds are bad?
[10:52] <linlin> i have 3 of them
[10:52] <pmjdebruijn> linlin, mine are just fine
[10:52] <linlin> oh :(
[10:53] <viper> hi again
[10:53] <earl_> alright, my computer didn't detonate and the drivers seem like they are installed correctly.
[10:53] <linlin> damnit it must be this drive then
[10:53] <Seveas> Lars_G, that would rock :)
[10:53] <linlin> that makes me sad lol
[10:53] <ompaul> linlin, so why the laugh out loud at being sad?
[10:54] <viper> i gave up on xmms, and now im trying to install real player 10, it installs, when i run it nothing happens
[10:54] <linlin> cause of the irony i guess kinda
[10:54] <Lars_G> linlin: Do you have another Cd-rom you can try with temporarily?
[10:54] <Seveas> !realplayer
[10:54] <Fleischlego> Hi
[10:54] <ubotu> methinks realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:54] <Seveas> linlin: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[10:54] <HappyFool> amusing how many questions that one wiki page answers
[10:54] <linlin> new drive, reads everything, burns everything, except the one thing i really need
[10:54] <Lars_G> Seveas: Is eSound the default in ubuntu?
[10:55] <linlin> Lars_G yeah thats what im in the process of now
[10:55] <Seveas> for hoary yes
[10:55] <Seveas> for breezy it will be ditched again
[10:55] <Lars_G> Seveas: Hmm I don't know wether that's sad or happy...
[10:55] <Lars_G> Seveas: What will breezye go for? plain old alsa? or something newer a-la jack?
[10:55] <Seveas> alsa+dmix
[10:55] <Lars_G> Ah, nice solution. yes
[10:56] <ompaul> breezy colony three audio was nice, it just worked
[10:56] <Fleischlego> I got two X screens running on itself here - one LCD and a TV. They are not expanded and not cloned. But... The thing is, i dont know how to switch between the screens. Anyone knows how // got an idea?
[10:56] <NoHope> hello all
[10:56] <Lars_G> A well configured dmix too right? and not something hammered together and encommended to the dark gods.. right?
[10:56] <palmero> how do i remove a non-empty directory with all it?s contents?
[10:56] <Seveas> i hope so Lars_G :)
[10:56] <rc55> Hi - I've got 5.04 and I'm having trouble getting to web sites via addresses in firefox, i can wget it from command line by url, but firefox only seems to load sites by IP... any ideas?
[10:56] <Lars_G> How old is Hoary?? I.e., how far away is breezy from release?
[10:56] <str8edge> happyfool: i fixed my samba problem.
[10:56] <durt> Fleishlego: what kind of computer?
[10:56] <Seveas> rc55: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[10:57] <HappyFool> str8edge: did you figure out the cause?
[10:57] <kemik> i truly hope sound in breezy will be bettar
[10:57] <sniper_> hi all
[10:57] <HappyFool> palmero: try 'rm -rf directoryname'
[10:57] <sniper_> :)
[10:57] <Fleischlego> durt: 686, or ... what do you want to know? :)
[10:57] <palmero> HappyFool: Thanx ... i'm a bit rusty in Linux :)
[10:57] <durt> Fleishlego: laptop?
[10:57] <str8edge> happyfool: yeah. I had been playing with some rate limiting stuff in my router, and the only thing it affected was samba
[10:58] <str8edge> :)
[10:58] <Fleischlego> durt: na, desktop pc.
[10:58] <HappyFool> str8edge: bizarre
[10:58] <durt> ok
[10:58] <rc55> Seveas: That worked a treat! Thank you ;)
[10:58] <str8edge> happyfool: i'm glad i use script to log everything i do when i'm messing around.
[10:59] <viper> i dl the RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm file, went to Synaptic Package Manager and installed real player, when i go to run real player, nothing happens, what should i do?
[10:59] <str8edge> !restricted
[10:59] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:59] <str8edge> viper, read the restricted formats wiki page
[10:59] <str8edge> !restricted
[10:59] <viper> ive done that
[10:59] <zer0`> i dont have a /dev/sequencer, my game has no sound
[11:00] <BirdFish> okay, I found the printer setup and added a new one.
[11:00] <BirdFish> It says OfficeJet G85 Ready
[11:00] <BirdFish> But for some reason it's not sending to the printer
[11:00] <str8edge> viper: you need to add a non-ubuntu repository.. and then install the deb.
[11:00] <BirdFish> How would I set up the printer to send to IP_192.168.254.110?
[11:00] <viper> in english please, im new to linux
[11:01] <HappyFool> str8edge: hmm, interesting, never knew about script; i usually try to put /etc under version control when i'm feeling responsible
[11:01] <Fleischlego> durt: Got an idea? :)
[11:01] <deptrai> hi, anyone can tell me how to install mplayer ? I have uncommented #universe in /etc/apt/sources.lst and apt-get update, but apt-cache search mplayer show nothing related
[11:01] <d2dchat> im still having trouble upgrading ruby from 1.8.2 on day 23 to day 25's release on ubuntu
[11:02] <d2dchat> maybe im just not installing it correctly?
[11:02] <str8edge> happyfool: i have tried putt etc under cvs/svn version control, but it doesn't capture any other stupidity.
[11:02] <d2dchat> can anyone help me isntall ruby manually?
[11:02] <HappyFool> deptrai: mplayer is in 'multiverse'
[11:02] <deptrai> HappyFool, I have multiverse also ;-)
[11:02] <deptrai> http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/multiverse Packages
[11:02] <str8edge> happyfool: i also always backup files before i modify them, and then generate diffs
[11:02] <HappyFool> deptrai: hmm, no, normal multiverse
[11:03] <durt> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557; http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php...t=Dual+MOnitors; http://docs.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/05/025207&tid=
[11:03] <Lars_G> Seveas: Sorry to make you repeat, but what were the links to the explaining pages about packagewise differences between debian/ubuntu, and the one explaining the package universes?
[11:03] <deptrai> hmm. Hamlesh tell me how to have multiunvers
[11:03] <HappyFool> deptrai: should be an archive.ubuntu.com url
[11:03] <durt> try those fleicshlego
[11:03] <HappyFool> deptrai: read below
[11:03] <HappyFool> !repos
[11:03] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:03] <Fleischlego> durt: Thx much!
[11:03] <deptrai> HappyFool, ok, thanks
[11:03] <Lars_G> HappyFool: How did you set /etc under version control?
[11:03] <Seveas> www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:03] <Seveas> www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationsip
[11:03] <Seveas> www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[11:03] <palmero> Still having probs with shfs. I've installed it and it seems to work. When I try to access the mounted folder however, I get "permission denied". Anyone have a hint?
[11:03] <Lars_G> HappyFool: Manually created a cvs/svn repository for it? or is there a special methodology?
[11:03] <Lars_G> Seveas: Thanks a lot.
[11:03] <str8edge> viper: you need to follow the instruction on this page: and add the hoary extras repository
[11:04] <HappyFool> Lars_G: using svn; there's a trick on the svn FAQ for getting a 'live' system into svn
[11:04] <linlin> yeah this old cdrom drive works fine :(
[11:04] <puff> I guess I finally need to set up some sort of blog.
[11:04] <linlin> this is very bad
[11:04] <Lars_G> HappyFool: Ok, I'll check it (thankfully I use svn now and not cvs anymore)
[11:04] <viper> str8edge: i did :)
[11:04] <str8edge> viper: here's the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:04] <durt> jorge: any luck?
[11:04] <HappyFool> str8edge: hmm. i guess if i weren't a strictly amateur sysadmin i might do the same ;)
[11:04] <linlin> i need to return this drive but its like 3-4 months old and i dont have any of the packaging or anything
[11:04] <ompaul> HappyFool, pm?
[11:04] <jkindy> how do i connect to another computer once i have telnet open?
[11:04] <viper> str8edge: once again, i just did it
[11:04] <str8edge> Happyfool, no one said I was a pro either!
[11:04] <HappyFool> ompaul: sure
[11:05] <NoUse> jkindy don't use telnet
[11:05] <viper> str8edge: it still doesnt open tho
[11:05] <palmero> someone good with shfs?
[11:05] <jkindy> what should i use then
[11:05] <str8edge> viper: what doesn't open?
[11:05] <NoUse> jkindy ssh
[11:05] <str8edge> viper: open a root terminal
[11:05] <jkindy> were is ssh?
[11:05] <NoUse> jkindy ssh username@hostname
[11:06] <NoUse> !ssh
[11:06] <ubotu> I guess ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/"
[11:06] <viper> real player doesnt open
[11:06] <viper> terminal open
[11:06] <mikus> ssh package included with ubuntu distribution is broken
[11:06] <str8edge> viper: then type "cat deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted >> /etc/apt/sources.list" do not include the quotes
[11:06] <uthini> no sound in ubuntu, using the gigabyte am400 k7 motherboard, RZ series
[11:06] <mikus> we are working on an updated package at the current time please do not install it
[11:06] <NoUse> mikus I haven't had any problem with it
[11:06] <mikus> thanks
[11:07] <Kagebooshi> Ca parle de ssh ?
[11:07] <jorge_> durt: Hi
[11:07] <Fleischlego> durt: works, thanks. :)
[11:07] <durt> hi
[11:07] <NoUse> jkindy did you get that SSH Howto link?
[11:07] <mikus> NoUse: well there is a dependency problem
[11:07] <jorge_> I reboot but it says permision denied
[11:07] <linlin> ok now im finally in the livecd
[11:08] <linlin> what do i do now
[11:08] <mikus> that can cause system crashes on inproperly configured machines
[11:08] <viper> permision denied
[11:08] <linlin> how do i mount my hard drive
[11:08] <str8edge> viper: type in whoami
[11:08] <jorge_> jorge@GEA:~$ echo "crt_out:1" > /proc/acpi/toshiba/video
[11:08] <jorge_> bash: /proc/acpi/toshiba/video: Permission denied
[11:08] <bedi> sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt
[11:08] <viper> it says viper, my user name
[11:08] <jorge_> durt: jorge@GEA:~$ echo "crt_out:1" > /proc/acpi/toshiba/video
[11:08] <linlin> must specify filesystem type
[11:08] <jorge_> bash: /proc/acpi/toshiba/video: Permission denied
[11:09] <durt> jorge: so just your lcd works?
[11:09] <jorge_> yes
[11:09] <NoUse> mikus is there a bug for that?
[11:09] <str8edge> then you need to exit that terminal, and start a root terminal
[11:09] <str8edge> viper or type "sudo su -"
[11:09] <durt> jorge_:before i mess your computer up any more... check these out
[11:10] <str8edge> viper: whoami should return  root
[11:10] <viper> yea
[11:10] <durt> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[11:10] <durt> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php...t=Dual+MOnitors
[11:10] <durt> http://docs.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/05/025207&tid=
[11:10] <jorge_> If I start the comp with the crt plug in, It starts but in 600X480 mode, and the lcd doent work
[11:10] <viper> now do cat deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted >> /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:10] <str8edge> viper: so now your logged in as root?
[11:10] <viper> yes
[11:10] <str8edge> viper: then do the cat....
[11:10] <viper> ok
[11:10] <linlin> mount /dev/hda /mnt: you must specify a filesystem type
[11:11] <durt> jorge_: so it does work sort of?
[11:11] <viper> cat: deb: No such file or directory
[11:11] <viper> cat: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/: No such file or directory
[11:11] <viper> cat: hoary-extras: No such file or directory
[11:11] <viper> cat: main: No such file or directory
[11:11] <viper> cat: universe: No such file or directory
[11:11] <viper> cat: multiverse: No such file or directory
[11:11] <viper> cat: restricted: No such file or directory
[11:11] <jorge_> but if one work the other doent
[11:11] <str8edge> viper: oops my bad, not cat, echo
[11:12] <viper> ok
[11:12] <str8edge> viper: echo deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted >> /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:12] <durt> jorge: install "toshset" from synaptics
[11:12] <str8edge> viper: apt-get update
[11:12] <viper> the '?', typo?
[11:12] <str8edge> don't include the ?
[11:12] <viper> ok
[11:13] <jorge_> yes
[11:13] <str8edge> yeah, i cut and paste from your line to avoid retyping.. i got a f**kered wrist.
[11:13] <viper> str8edge: what did we do to log in as root again?
[11:13] <jorge_> durt: wich toshiba model do you have?
[11:14] <str8edge> sudo su -
[11:14] <viper> ok
[11:14] <durt> 5105-S501
[11:14] <viper> str8edge: its done updating
[11:14] <BirdFish> Could someone please help me?
[11:14] <jorge_>     Problems with ACPI!                                                    
[11:14] <jorge_>                                                                            
[11:14] <jorge_>     Your kernel has ACPI enabled.                                          
[11:14] <jorge_>                                                                            
[11:14] <jorge_>     Unfortunately toshset is not fully functional on ACPI-enabled kernels  
[11:14] <jorge_>                                                                            
[11:14] <jorge_>     Enable APM only instead to get toshset running properly.
[11:15] <phantom_> hi people, anyone that can please help me with setting up DMA on boot????
[11:15] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[11:15] <Seveas> !dma
[11:15] <Seveas> !tell phantom about 'dma
[11:15] <Seveas> !tell phantom about dma
[11:15] <phantom_> I can setup DMA with sudo hdparm -d11 /dev/hda
[11:15] <Ex-Cyber> ompaul: well, there's no Exchange Server or IIS for Linux, clearly an operating system without such vital applications is doomed to obscurity ;)
[11:16] <viper> str8edge: should it work now?
[11:16] <str8edge> viper: type apt-get -f install realplayer
[11:16] <phantom_> but it does not stay on ...
[11:16] <TomT64|afk> hi.  Does the ubuntu 5.04 live cd have physfs installed?
[11:16] <ompaul> Ex-Cyber, and virus free :)
[11:16] <viper> ok
[11:16] <viper> done
[11:16] <Lars_G> !dma
[11:17] <TomT64|afk> or, can I "install" it even though it's a live cd
[11:17] <Seveas> TomT64|afk, no
[11:17] <theeil> printing a test page causes a item to be added to the printing list for a split second, printing anything else does not show anything
[11:17] <str8edge> viper: look in your applications menu, under multimedia, you should see realplayer 10
[11:17] <TomT64|afk> Seveas: no physfs?  :p
[11:18] <viper> yea
[11:18] <str8edge> viper: try it out.
[11:18] <viper> i click on it, nothing happens
[11:18] <phantom_> How do I get DMA to be set on boot??????
[11:18] <viper> brb....
[11:18] <str8edge> viper: do you have any shockwave flash (swf) stuff installed?
[11:18] <Thorondor> how do i set locales correctlz? if often get error messages like this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1521
[11:19] <viper> str8edge: no :S do i need it?
[11:19] <Lars_G> phantom_: you where already told.
[11:19] <Lars_G> !tell phantom about dma
[11:19] <Sammi_> I'm running Xmms and there's no sound coming from it.
[11:19] <Seveas> Thorondor, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:19] <str8edge> viper: usually when realplayer 10 dies, its because of a bad swf plugin
[11:19] <phantom_> install realplayer????
[11:19] <str8edge> viper: i'll look it up for you.
[11:19] <viper> k, thx
[11:19] <Lars_G> phantom_: ????? eh????
[11:20] <durt> Sammi_: can you here other sounds?
[11:20] <Lars_G> phantom_: Both I and Seveas Have asked the bot, ubotu, to /msg you with the answer.
[11:20] <Lars_G> phantom_: Read the link ubotu gave you
[11:20] <Sammi_> I can hear the sounds from Gaim.
[11:20] <arcanistherogue> hey guys, i have a question about quake 1
[11:20] <simplex3> Anyone using Eclipse on Ubuntu?  More specifically, PHPeclipse?
[11:20] <Lars_G> I and Seveas?, Seveas and I? wathever.
[11:21] <Lars_G> simplex3: I am using it in Gentoo, but ask anyhow, see if I can help.
[11:21] <arcanistherogue> I bought the expansion, but i dont have quake 1 regular (i bought the scourge of armagon expansion) I thought the engine was on GPL, does this mean i can play it without the original quake?
[11:21] <ompaul> Lars_G, seve*s and I would be correct :)
[11:21] <phantom_> can't find it... sorry total noon here
[11:21] <Lars_G> arcanistherogue: Not necesarily, if it's an expansion only it would need data files that come with the original game. The engine is GPL but the data is not.
[11:21] <Thorondor> Seveas, this leads to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1522 - but apt-get install locales doens't work either
[11:22] <phantom_> noob
[11:22] <TomT64> is there a list of libraries which are available on the live cd?
[11:22] <Lars_G> phantom_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[11:22] <arcanistherogue> Lars_G: oh, ok.
[11:22] <ompaul> !tell phantom about dma
[11:22] <simplex3> Lars_G: I'm having issues getting autocomplete and debugging working.  The PHPeclipse plugin won't let me add an interpreter and everything I find on the web is centered around doing it with Windows
[11:22] <Lars_G> ompaul: Forget it, he's unable to read private messages
[11:22] <jkindy> i am trying to set up ssh and when i type in suno apt-get install openssh-server it askes me for a CD -ubuntu 5.4 , i put it in and hit enter and it just repeats the same thing
[11:22] <ompaul> Lars_G, ahh
[11:22] <mikus> listen everyone, Ubunut SSH is BROKEN
[11:22] <mikus> wait for the update/patch
[11:23] <mikus> Ubuntu*
[11:23] <Seveas> Thorondor, what's the error with apt-get install?
[11:23] <Seveas> mikus, bullshit
[11:23] <theblue> Hi all.
[11:23] <str8edge> viper: gotta go, my baby  just woke up, be back later.
[11:23] <phantom_> trying it now.. thanks
[11:23] <viper> ok
[11:23] <mikus> Seveas: i inspected the package myself
[11:23] <Lars_G> simplex3: Hmm, interpreters, that is explainable, but the autocomplete is really weird...
[11:23] <theblue> Once Breezy comes out, how would I go about updating Hoary to Breezy?
[11:23] <Seveas> mikus, then explain the error and file a bug instead of spreading fud
[11:23] <Sammi_> I can hear sounds from Ubuntu, too.
[11:23] <Thorondor> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1523
[11:23] <EasterSunshine> theblue: you can already upgrade to breezy
[11:23] <durt> Sammi_: ok
[11:24] <Sammi_> And CD Player.
[11:24] <iceman-AMD64> anyone running ubuntu 64 bit
[11:24] <mikus> Seveas: i'm a package maintainer, dummy
[11:24] <mikus> i'm the one who has to fix this stuff
[11:24] <theblue> eastersunshine: ok, how would I do that?
[11:24] <jkindy> wat program can i use to burn cd's in ubuntu
[11:24] <Seveas> mikus, go insult other people
[11:24] <durt> Sammi_: go to system>preferences>multimedia selector
[11:24] <ompaul> !war
[11:24] <ubotu> I don't know, ompaul
[11:24] <phantom_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA    trying it.. does not open it
[11:24] <EasterSunshine> theblue: in your /etc/apt/sources.list reaplce hoary with breezy and do an update or an upgrade, one of those
[11:24] <mikus> Seveas: please, i think i have considerably more leverage than you in these matters seeing as how I *am* an Ubuntu developer
[11:25] <NoUse> jkindy gnomebaker
[11:25] <theblue> Oh, and I can do the same with Warty?
[11:25] <mikus> Seveas: now go run along and let the big boys handle things
[11:25] <Seveas> Thorondor, that's what you get when mixing Ubuntu and debian repositories
[11:25] <theblue> To Hoary?
[11:25] <EasterSunshine> theblue: its unrecommened as it is unstable as of now
[11:25] <iceman-AMD64> got a question on 64 bit ubuntu ... whats minimum memory for a stable install ... will 512 work
[11:25] <Lars_G> Micksa: Leverage doesn't means you have free reign to insult people.
[11:25] <mjr> iceman-AMD64, certainly
[11:25] <theblue> eastersunshine: But if I have a bunch of Warty CDs, can I just install them, and then upgrade them to Hoary?
[11:25] <Lars_G> mikus: Sorry that was for you, nor Micksa
[11:26] <EasterSunshine> theblue: probably, but i'm not certain
[11:26] <theblue> eastersunshine: Or is everything too different?
[11:26] <Sammi_> durt: What do I set it to?
[11:26] <iceman-AMD64> reason i ask ... Winblows pro 64 bit wants a freaking gig of ram ..
[11:26] <LeoXV> beta tester needed :P http://www.kolumbus.fi/jukka.lehtomaki/ubuntu/g3torrent-v1.10d-ubuntu.tar.gz
[11:26] <LeoXV> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18369&page=5&pp=10
[11:26] <iceman-AMD64> next question ... how to mount my winblows xp partition ... from linux
[11:26] <Seveas> iceman-AMD64: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:26] <Lars_G> mikus: Btw, even if you're a package maintainer, you should fill a bug anyhow so users and other maintainers that might depend on your package know about the bug and can follow the process.
[11:26] <LeoXV> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=313526&postcount=5 rufus :p
[11:27] <Seveas> Lars_G, he's neither a maintainer nor an ubuntu developer
[11:27] <mattyJ> how can i mount a harddrive for storage and make it writable by my user account instead of having to use root
[11:27] <theblue> Ok, then.
[11:27] <DekaPink> Huh... Does anyone know if recompiling/reinstalling cvscedega after changing my video drivers will make any difference?
[11:27] <Lars_G> Seveas: Yes, I guessed so, the attitude says it all.
[11:27] <durt> Sammi_: test each of the systems and tell me what works
[11:27] <theblue> Does anyone know how to resize an NTFS partition to make room for Ubuntu?
[11:27] <EasterSunshine> theblue: i recommend downloading hoary once and installing it everywhere. it will save bandwidth for you and the repos servers, plus it will save you time
[11:27] <phantom_> !dma
[11:28] <EasterSunshine> theblue: warty packages are pretty old and most of them will have to be updated/upgraded, you will be downloading the same packages on multiple comps
[11:28] <Seveas> (insults in private chat)
[11:28] <jkindy> wat is the command to reset the menu's killall sumtin?
[11:28] <Lars_G> theblue: Yes, use partition magic, and pray that you do not loose data, I know of none other program that can resize a NTFS, and Patrition Tragic can kill your data on the process.
[11:28] <Sammi_> durt: How do I know if it worked?
[11:28] <mattyJ> how can i mount a harddrive for storage and make it writable by my user account instead of having to use root?
[11:28] <Lars_G> Seveas: Sorry
[11:28] <DarkDaan_com> !help
[11:28] <EasterSunshine> theblue: this is of course assuming you are installing ubuntu on like more than two machines
[11:28] <Seveas> jkindy, pkill -HUP gnome-panel
[11:29] <Seveas> Lars_G, for what?
[11:29] <Lars_G> Seveas: I tought that the insult in private was directed at me.
[11:29] <Seveas> no :)
[11:29] <theblue> eastersunshine: I'm only installing it on one box.
[11:29] <Seveas> that was just to mark the reason for banning that person
[11:29] <Lars_G> mattyJ: You need to either a) Make it user mountable, or b) make it mount under your userid/groupid.
[11:29] <phantom_> I tried everything ubotu says... but nothing...
[11:29] <Lars_G> Seveas: Is there any default fstab GUI editor mattyJ could use?
[11:29] <durt> Sammi_: test each of the output options (with the test button) and tell me which ones make noise
[11:29] <theblue> One final question:
[11:30] <Seveas> Lars_G, not in hoary
[11:30] <theblue> Does Ubuntu have to be installed on the primary hard drive?
[11:30] <phantom_> it sets it up, but it does not stay on after next boot
[11:30] <theblue> As in, physical hard drive?
[11:30] <EasterSunshine> theblue: oh i thought many. i dunno if updating from warty will do it in that case...anyone else know?
[11:30] <Lars_G> Seveas: Hmmm thanks, I won't send a new user to edit fstab by hand.
[11:30] <theblue> Nevermind about installing warty.
[11:30] <theblue> I found my Hoary CD.
[11:30] <bronson> I just went to breezy last night...  Mostly painless, but a Cairo library dependency problem rejects Evolution and Gaim.
[11:30] <uthini> !7VM400MRZ sound
[11:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, uthini
[11:31] <bronson> I've upgraded a ton of Warty installs to Hoary with nary a problem.
[11:31] <theblue> Does Hoary need to be installed on the first physical hard drive?
[11:31] <bronson> fwiw.
[11:31] <bronson> theblue: nope
[11:31] <Seveas> theblue, no
[11:31] <mattyJ> Lars_G: im using breezy right now, i dont see how to do it from the disks gui in administration
[11:31] <DarkDaan_com> anyone has tips for installing webserver on ubuntu?
[11:31] <mikkus> bronson: the cairo library dependency has been fixed in my latest patch
[11:31] <theblue> Ok.
[11:31] <EasterSunshine> uthini: you may have to be a little less specific...
[11:31] <Seveas> DarkDaan_com, sudo aptitude install apache2
[11:31] <uthini> :-/
[11:31] <Lars_G> Seveas: Is there a gui editor in breezy?
[11:31] <mattyJ> Lars_G: so if i edit the fstab, what would i put for user mount
[11:31] <theblue> So I can use FIPS20 to resize one of the FAT32 partitions on hdb, and throw Hoary there, right?
[11:31] <uthini> EasterSunshine, sound stopped working when i installed a new mobo
[11:31] <bronson> mikkus: sweet, I'll try again tomorrow.
[11:31] <mikkus> Lars_G: you can use XEdit in breezy
[11:31] <Seveas> Lars_G, there is a mounting tool
[11:31] <theblue> After a good defragment, of course?
[11:32] <mikkus> for my latest ubuntu faqs and patches, visit http://users.erols.com/alangrimes
[11:32] <EasterSunshine> uthini: well i'm no sound guru...
[11:32] <bronson> theblue: err...  Running Linux on FAT is a bad idea.
[11:32] <Sammi_> durt: Under Default Sink, only ESD makes noise and it makes a beep. Under Default Source, only ALSA makes noise and it makes static.
[11:32] <Lars_G> mattyJ: Be very carefull when editing fstab if you edit it the question is, do you want for you and any user to be able to mount/unmount the partition? or for only root to be able to mount/unmount and only you to be able to read/write to it?
[11:32] <bronson> Unix perms/ownerships are all fouled up on FAT volumes.
[11:32] <conrad_> hi, can someone help a noob out here?
[11:33] <Seveas> (ban evading)
[11:33] <natrin> what channel is for dial up help?
[11:33] <Lars_G> bronson: You can use umsdos if it still exists.
[11:33] <mattyJ> Lars_G: i have it in fstab right now to mount on startup, but only root can write to it, i want any user to be able to write to it, or just mine i dont really care
[11:33] <bronson> Lars_G: true, but last I heard it was stalled out.
[11:33] <theblue> bronson: No, I mean resizing the FAT32 partition out of the way, and putting Hoary in ext3 or Reiser.
[11:33] <EasterSunshine> seveas: why do you ban nicks? whenever i get banned, its my host
[11:34] <conrad_> i've been having  a long standing issue that the forums haven't been able to resolve so far
[11:34] <kevogod> Does Colony 3 use the same theme as Hoary?
[11:34] <RogerD> Hello everyone --> I got a problem:  When I boot up my laptop, I get an error that the system "Cound not look up the internet address for dhcppc2.  This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly.  It may be possible to correct this problem by adding dhcppc2 to the file /etc/hosts.   I can either "Log in Anyway" or "Try Again".
[11:34] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, usually i silence nicks and ban ident@host
[11:34] <durt> Sammi_: in xmms, go to options>preferences and change the output plugin to "esound"
[11:34] <Seveas> but this one changed both nick and ident
[11:34] <RogerD> I can set my hostname and domain to whatever, but I can NOT become ROOT once I am logged in due to this error
[11:34] <Lars_G> mattyJ: Ok, to have root mount it, but have your user be able to write to it, add this to your options in the mountpoint: "uid=<your user id>,gid=<your group id>" without quotes. you can find your numerical UID and primary GID doing: "id <login>"
[11:35] <conrad_> no, can no one help out tonight?
[11:35] <RogerD> if I try to "sudo su -", I just get "unable to lookup dhcppc2 via gethostbyname()"
[11:35] <natrin> my modem driver keeps loading as root at boot where should I change this?
[11:35] <conrad_> i have sound issues with kde apps in Gnome
[11:35] <RogerD> any thoughts anyone?
[11:35] <Lars_G> conrad_: Sorry did you ask? I missed it.
[11:35] <ompaul> !tell conrad_ about ask
[11:36] <EasterSunshine> conrad_: you haven't asked a question here....not to mention its not night in new york city
[11:36] <conrad_> ah,.. thx lars: i have sound issues in Gnome
[11:36] <EasterSunshine> conrad_: nvm
[11:36] <apokryphos> ompaul, Lars_G: he mentioned.
[11:36] <ompaul> Lars_G, not specific
[11:36] <conrad_> evening then nyc
[11:36] <Lars_G> conrad_: If kde apps in gnome don't have sound you need to start your arts server, run "artsd"
[11:36] <mattyJ> Lars_G: ok, thanks -- my id was 1000, i had it set to 100 because the wiki had 100, did breezy change the default id from 100 to 1000?
[11:36] <Seveas> ROFLOL: look at this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i1524
[11:36] <whyameye> I want to sync my Palm with my ubuntu laptop. The palm is Serial and laptop is USB only. I want to use a USB --> serial converter. Is this going to work? What do I need to do for congiuration? Planning to use j-pilot...
[11:36] <Seveas> never seen them that stupid in here before :)
[11:36] <conrad_> that hasn't done it either
[11:36] <Sammi_> durt: Still nothing.
[11:37] <Lars_G> mattyJ: No idea, but many linuxes reserve low IDs for system users. don't change your own id, leave it at what Ubuntu set it to be.
[11:37] <Lars_G> Seveas: Get used to it :)
[11:37] <apokryphos> Seveas: you sure you've got enough channels open there? 8)
[11:37] <conrad_>  artsd -a alsa
[11:37] <viper> brb...
[11:37] <conrad_> resolved nothing
[11:37] <ompaul> Seveas, ehh  persistant little b*****
[11:37] <mattyJ> Lars_G: i know, i was just wondering, someone should update the wiki for other people
[11:37] <Seveas> Lars_G, hehe, I'm used to it on other channels/nets, but this foolishness is new in here :)
[11:37] <Lars_G> conrad_: afaik Hoary uses eSound, not Alsa... try "artsd -a esd" or "artsd -a esound"
[11:37] <theblue> Does anyone know if you can resize FAT32 partitions from within the Hoary installer?
[11:38] <ompaul> Seveas, it must be getting popular this ubuntu thing :)
[11:38] <EasterSunshine> lol seveas, that guy is retarded...
[11:38] <conrad_> either? ok
[11:38] <rc55> I'm having trouble using Software Updates - every time I add a repository it stalls at downloading 5 out of 5 files and has a failed error getting Release.gpg from cdrom://... any ideas?
[11:38] <Lars_G> Seveas: I worked two years as a Help Desk for an ISP and still give them a hand with it, I am firmly convinced for life that 90% of humanity is stupid and in road for decadence
[11:38] <ompaul> RogerD, try sudo -i
[11:38] <Seveas> Lars_G, you optimist ;)
[11:38] <Lars_G> conrad_: Sorry I don't know what is the right one, that's why I suggested both.
[11:39] <RogerD> ompaul: same error --> "unable to lookup dhcppc2 via gethostbyname()"
[11:39] <theblue> I agere, Lars_G!
[11:39] <theblue> agree*
[11:39] <RogerD> I'd LOVE to fix this issue, but without ROOT, what can I do?
[11:39] <d2dchat> sounds like a php command
[11:39] <d2dchat> lol
[11:39] <d2dchat> gethostbyname()
[11:39] <nalioth> RogerD: sudo?
[11:40] <Seveas> nalioth, it's sudo that's failing ;)
[11:40] <Seveas> RogerD, login as root via the recovery mode
[11:40] <kevogod> Does Colony 3 use the same theme as Hoary? (repeat)
[11:40] <Seveas> and edit /etc/hosts
[11:40] <RogerD> I've never seen anything like this before.
[11:40] <Seveas> make sure the line with 127.0.0.1 has dhcppc2 in it
[11:40] <codecaine> kevor, i couldn't get x to run gnome
[11:40] <RogerD> nalioth: If I sudo su -, I jsut get the gethostbyname() error
[11:40] <codecaine> in col3
[11:40] <Seveas> RogerD, i've seen it quite often already
[11:40] <Lars_G> d2dchat: Nope, it's a common stdlib call
[11:40] <kevor> i'm innocent O_o
[11:41] <Seveas> kevogod, no
[11:41] <uthini> oms
[11:41] <RogerD> Seveas: hmmmm
[11:41] <uthini> my hw chipset isn't listed with via
[11:41] <conrad_> Lars: i tried artsd -a esd first and it said that there are already artsd objects registered,
[11:41] <d2dchat> Lars_G, well its also a php function:)
[11:41] <Seveas> what innocent?
[11:41] <Seveas> :)
[11:41] <kevor> NOOHO
[11:41] <kevor> don't hurt me :(
[11:41] <Lars_G> conrad_: damn, right it started with a "null" driver...
[11:41] <d2dchat> Lars_G, probably the php function came after:)
[11:42] <Lars_G> conrad_: you'd need to kill it (artsd) and restart it.
[11:42] <Seveas> s/probably/certainly/
[11:42] <whyameye> anybody know anything about usb--> serial dongles w/ ubuntu?
[11:42] <conrad_> and its looking to see if they are active
[11:42] <RogerD> I understand that my hostname (now dhcppc2) is not being associated with an IP.   But how can I associtate it if I can't edit my /etc/hosts file???????
[11:42] <Lars_G> d2dchat: Yep... I had some terrible troubles with that call in Solaris. it forced us to recompile our whole mail system once
[11:42] <jkindy> don vito rules
[11:42] <DarkDaan_com> how to install PHP and mySql on ubuntu ????
[11:42] <Seveas> RogerD, reboot into recoverymode
[11:42] <Lars_G> DarkDaan_com: Use synaptic
[11:42] <DarkDaan_com> k
[11:42] <Seveas> DarkDaan_com, sudo aptitude install php4-mysql mysql-server
[11:42] <DarkDaan_com> thnx
[11:42] <d2dchat> wow lol
[11:42] <conrad_> Lars: forgive me, how do you mean kill it? Get out of the shell?
[11:43] <DarkDaan_com> thnx
[11:43] <durt> Sammi_: try running "alsaconf" in the terminal
[11:43] <RogerD> be back Seveas
[11:43] <Lars_G> conrad_: "killall artsd"
[11:43] <Lars_G> DarkDaan_com: Seveas' answer is faster
[11:43] <RogerD> can I get to "recovery mode" from Grub?
[11:43] <Seveas> RogerD, yes
[11:43] <Lars_G> Seveas: Wouldn't he need apache and php_mod too? or are these std?
[11:43] <RogerD> k
[11:43] <durt> Sammi_: then change xmms back to using alsa
[11:43] <conrad_> i'm back at the prompt
[11:44] <conrad_> and restart? how artsd -a esound?
[11:44] <Lars_G> conrad_: try the "artsd -s <wathever>" again
[11:44] <Sammi_> durt: "bash: alsaconf: command not found"
[11:44] <Seveas> Lars_G, the dependencies drag them in :)
[11:44] <_Dom_> hey all, i carnt seem to install FF extensions
[11:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Doh, right.
[11:45] <Seveas> cya all!
[11:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Be well.
[11:45] <CookedGryphon> Where's the option to put num lock on by default?
[11:45] <_Dom_> ive reinstalled via synaptic
[11:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Btw I saw the private chat, that was fun.
[11:45] <_Dom_> the extensions dialog is just greyed out
[11:45] <durt> Sammi_: you might be missing some alsa related packages
[11:45] <ompaul> Seveas, cheers
[11:45] <durt> anybody know how to get alsa working properly?
[11:46] <conrad_> sr, Lars: getting syntax error
[11:46] <apokryphos> !alsa
[11:46] <ubotu> [alsa]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[11:46] <_Dom_> im on warhog atm is it possible to update to hedgehog via the internet
[11:46] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: that screenshot has convinced me to switch to xchat
[11:46] <Seveas> !upgrade
[11:46] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:46] <Seveas> ^-- _Dom_
[11:46] <Lars_G> conrad_: With both options?
[11:46] <Seveas> (ok, really gone now)
[11:46] <_Dom_> ok thanks :)
[11:47] <ompaul> Seveas, short night :)
[11:47] <conrad_> ?
[11:47] <_Dom_> any help with my FF question?
[11:47] <Lars_G> conrad_: I am sorry I don't know how to specify the right driver.
[11:47] <J5Alive> Hey guys, I really need some help my my Live CD bootup of Ubuntu...anyone up to trying to help me out?
[11:47] <conrad_> ah, wathever was for esd or esound? gotcha
[11:47] <ompaul> _Dom_, Seveas told you I will now ask ubotu the channel bot to tell you in a private message
[11:47] <Lars_G> conrad_: right.
[11:47] <ompaul> !tell _Dom_ about upgrade
[11:48] <EasterSunshine> j5alive: tell us what is wrong and we will try our best maybe someone will have a solution (probably not me :)
[11:48] <RogerD> Seveas: I vi'ed my /etc/hosts file.   rebooting now.     drumroll .........
[11:48] <_Dom_> i got the upgrade
[11:48] <Lars_G> RogerD: He's gone
[11:48] <_Dom_> i said anyone wanna help with my FF question that i asked first
[11:48] <_Dom_> but thank :)
[11:48] <apokryphos> _Dom_: what is it?
[11:48] <Lars_G> RogerD: Btw in theory changes in /etc/hosts do not need a reboot
[11:48] <conrad_> Lars: its busy
[11:48] <Lars_G> conrad_: Busy?
[11:48] <ompaul> _Dom_, all gone say it again  please
[11:48] <_Dom_> i carnt install extensions
[11:48] <Lars_G> conrad_: try any kde sound now.
[11:48] <_Dom_> the extensions dialog is just blank
[11:49] <conrad_> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[11:49] <Lars_G> conrad_: Ok?
[11:49] <ompaul> _Dom_, does FF = firefox?
[11:49] <_Dom_> yeah
[11:49] <J5Alive> Well, whenever I use the Live CD, it looks like it boots up all honkeydorey fine...however, right after it plays the login sound and shows the rectangular logo box, it freezes, as in it just stops and the mouse will not respond...anyone have a clue what's wrong? oh, and I tried turning of acpi..that didn't fix it either =S
[11:49] <RogerD> Seveas: YOU the man!!!
[11:49] <conrad_> lars it says default can't beopened
[11:49] <Lars_G> RogerD: He is gone.
[11:49] <durt> opera is the way to go
[11:49] <conrad_> ...can't be opened for playback because it is busy, which is the problem i been having
[11:49] <_Dom_> i need a firefox extension to install to test something on my site
[11:50] <Lars_G> conrad_: Weird. Really weird... sorry I haven't worked with artsd enough to help more. :(
[11:50] <Lars_G> durt: Not really.
[11:50] <ompaul> _Dom_, down the bottom of that box does it say Get more extentions?
[11:50] <_Dom_> yeah ive clicked it
[11:50] <Lars_G> conrad_: Ahhh you've been getting THAT error?
[11:50] <_Dom_> and tryed to install one
[11:50] <tha_gamemaster> ok i upgraded my nvidia vidcard and changed nothing else and now X is all wacked out, i even did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:50] <_Dom_> ive even copyed one into the directory
[11:50] <tha_gamemaster> any ideas ?
[11:50] <conrad_> yes
[11:50] <ompaul> _Dom_, and?
[11:50] <Lars_G> conrad_: Ok that means some program has locked out your sound card to itself and it's not sharing it.. do you use Hoary or Breezy?
[11:50] <_Dom_> the profile directoy
[11:50] <_Dom_> it just dosnt appear
[11:50] <conrad_> hoary
[11:50] <_Dom_> its still greyed out
[11:51] <Lars_G> conrad_: Weird, afaik hoary uses eSound which allows sharing of the sound card...
[11:51] <_Dom_> how do you do termianl as root? sudo -l root?
[11:51] <Lars_G> conrad_: Sorry without doing more tests, I can't help you right now.
[11:51] <tony_> sorry to interrupt, can someone point me in the right direction for playing mp3 files?
[11:51] <conrad_> hmmm...ok, thx for trying
[11:51] <tha_gamemaster> tony_: xmms
[11:51] <Lars_G> !restricted
[11:51] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:51] <Seveas> !mp3
[11:51] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[11:51] <J5Alive> ...Anyone? I've been struggling with this for the better part of the day..
[11:51] <Seveas> _Dom_, sudo -i
[11:52] <Lars_G> tony_: Follow these links
[11:52] <tony_> ty
[11:52] <conrad_> where can i go from here with this issue?
[11:53] <themot> I installed enlightenment, just as I have many other desktops, but it does not show up in the login screen as an available desktop... ideas?
[11:53] <vitriol> i forget how to decompress kernel patches :\ tar jxf doesn't work
[11:53] <_Dom_> okthanks
[11:53] <vitriol> can someone remind me?
[11:53] <vitriol> and gunzip didn't work either
[11:53] <conrad_> i did "gedit startartsd"
[11:53] <vitriol> file extension is .bz2
[11:53] <LinuxJones> J5Alive, what kind of machine do you have ?
[11:53] <Lars_G> conrad_: Hmmm well this is not a bad place, wait for someone to pop here, or ask in #kubuntu
[11:53] <Seveas> bzip2 -d
[11:53] <ompaul> I better go to work for the third last night - barring call outs until next Wednesday when I am free of the current setup :)
[11:53] <conrad_> but i use Gnome
[11:53] <Seveas> ^-- vitriol
[11:54] <conrad_> is this a kubuntu issue or Gnome?
[11:54] <vitriol> oohh!
[11:54] <vitriol> thanks Seveas
[11:54] <Lars_G> conrad_: It's a sound driver share issue, which stops the KDE sound system (arts) from starting
[11:54] <Lars_G> I need to concentrate on my code, see you latter all.
[11:55] <LinuxJones> J5Alive, so your system totally locks up and you need to do a hard power down ?
[11:56] <LinuxJones> J5Alive, your using the amd64 Live cd correct ?
[11:56] <Thorondor> somehow I mixed up my repositories... when trying to install locales via synaptic i get an error "unresolvable dependencies" - how can i fix that?
[11:56] <themot> And something else that is annoying, after I installed KDE I now have many more entries in my menu, all are k programs which run just fine in gnome, but the stupid icons are all the same instead of the pretty ones  :(   bummer huh?
[11:57] <phantom_> how do I pass the kernel the options ide0=dma or ide1=dma at boot time
[11:57] <themot> any ideas on this one?
[11:57] <Seveas> phantom_, these aren't kernel options
[11:57] <conrad_> lol, #kubuntu is totally empty
[11:57] <Seveas> you set them in /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:57] <Shufla> hello :)
[11:57] <LinuxJones> J5Alive, jsut make sure you have the amd 64 version of the livecd
[11:57] <phantom_> I did set it up... does not stay on when I reboot
[11:58] <_Dom_> hello again
[11:58] <_Dom_> !upgrade
[11:58] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:58] <kevogod> I better start ordering my Breezy CDs
[11:58] <durt> anybody here have a toshiba satellite?
[11:58] <Seveas> you set them in /etc/hdparm.conf <---- phantom_
[11:58] <phantom_> Seveas, I enter the code as mentione in ubuntu guides.. but does not work
[11:58] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is crap
[11:58] <tha_gamemaster> !nvidia
[11:58] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[11:59] <phantom_> Seveas, what code should I eneter exactly??? syntax?
[11:59] <_Dom_> the upgrade just leaves the prompt as > does that mean its working in the background?
[11:59] <kleggas> what package do I need to install to be able to run the TLS module in proftpd?
[11:59] <laserite> hi! I have a 2GB file which is constantly growing (fed by other program) and I want to start copying it to another computer, do u know how? thnx a lot!