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| cyphase | hey everyone | 07:47 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 07:49 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra, any idea why edubuntu ogra colony is so slow in stage 1? | 10:22 |
| ogra | nope... i didnt see a difference here... | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i must burn a new one much slower then | 10:22 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, hmm, it could be because it still uses the 2.6.12-6 image.... | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | its terribly slow i can barely appreciate it | 10:24 |
| ogra | strange... its not different to the ubuntu CD it test | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | i will just burn another copy and see | 10:25 |
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| pere | ogra: are ubuntu doing anything to speed up the boot process? There are lots to gain. I tested and managed to reduce the boot time by 62%. Check <URL: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/initscripts-ng-devel/2005-August/000097.html > | 02:17 |
| ogra | pere, we already did that for hoary... | 02:17 |
| ogra | my laptop gets me to gdm in about 35sec | 02:17 |
| ogra | (indeed you can still speed up more) | 02:18 |
| mpt | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot | 02:18 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot | 02:19 |
| ogra | oh | 02:19 |
| ogra | heh | 02:19 |
| mpt | snap! | 02:20 |
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| ogra_ | GRRR... every 30mins my DSL drops | 02:26 |
| ogra_ | mpt, i had a disussion with kiko yesterday... i'd like to use a comic based font for the desktop, since our target audience will be between 6 and 16, and it will fit better to the gartoon icon theme we use, what are the ui designer thoughts about that | 02:26 |
| ogra_ | http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ | 02:26 |
| mpt | ogra_: That seems reasonable, though it would make lots of layouts wider | 02:30 |
| mpt | so it might be a good idea to run through all the apps you're shipping to make sure they don't overflow whatever your minimum target resolution is | 02:30 |
| mpt | Is there a particular font you have in mind? | 02:30 |
| ogra_ | mpt, i'm only talking about the desktop font, not the apps | 02:30 |
| mpt | (Many less-formal fonts have worse Unicode coverage) | 02:31 |
| mpt | ok | 02:31 |
| ogra_ | i.e. the icon captions on the desktop | 02:31 |
| ogra_ | TSCu_Comic with at least 13px | 02:33 |
| ogra_ | thats what i use here now might also be 14px | 02:33 |
| ogra_ | we ship i in the default desktop, so i assume its utf8 clean | 02:33 |
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| ogra_ | heh | 02:35 |
| ogra_ | thats only a test of my edubuntu-artwork package.... | 02:35 |
| mpt | oh, I didn't notice any special artwork :-) | 02:35 |
| ogra_ | we'll have another page there... but i'll use the css from ubuntu-artwork .. i dont want to double data if i can avoid it | 02:36 |
| ogra_ | the logo | 02:36 |
| ogra_ | :) | 02:36 |
| mpt | ogra_: In Germany do your TV channels have their logos as watermarks on the screen all the time during programmes? | 02:46 |
| ogra_ | mostly... only during commercials they are off | 02:46 |
| mpt | yeah | 02:47 |
| mpt | NZ channels just started doing that a couple of years ago | 02:47 |
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| ogra_ | we do have a TV channel ? | 02:49 |
| ogra_ | o_O | 02:49 |
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| mpt | ogra_: No, but the default background picture does :-) | 02:56 |
| ogra_ | ah.. | 02:56 |
| mpt | At least the background is changeable | 02:56 |
| ogra_ | its nice this way, since you can change the colors but still have the svg in front... | 02:59 |
| pere | ogra_ mpt: thank you. The fixes done in ubuntu seem to be ortogonal to the fixes I did, so I suspect ubuntu can speed up even more. :) | 02:59 |
| ogra_ | the readahead stuff we already have in hoary speeds up quite well... | 03:00 |
| pere | I believe you. :) Reorganizing and running in parallel did that too. | 03:01 |
| ogra_ | yup | 03:01 |
| ogra_ | and both together is the speed overkill ;) | 03:02 |
| mpt | As long as Ubuntu takes more than five seconds to start up, speeding it up is not overkill | 03:04 |
| ogra_ | you can reduce it below 5.... just rip out the bios and put a linux rom in ;) | 03:05 |
| ogra_ | ok, probably not below 5... but near this :) | 03:06 |
| mpt | I remember in the early '90s seeing ads for laptops with Windows, Word, and Excel in ROM | 03:07 |
| ogra_ | there is a linux project for this...http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page | 03:09 |
| mpt | awesome | 03:10 |
| mpt | HP should port that to their laptops :-) | 03:12 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 03:17 |
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| Petaris | Hello janeW | 04:26 |
| janeW | hi Petaris | 04:29 |
| Petaris | does upgrade work on edubuntu yet? | 04:30 |
| Petaris | janeW: I have my icewm setup almost ready | 04:31 |
| Petaris | :) | 04:31 |
| ogra | Petaris, why shouldnt it ? | 04:31 |
| Petaris | just curios if this early release would be upgradable | 04:32 |
| ogra | as long as upgrade on ubuntu works, it will also work on edubuntu, but keep in mind it is in development, so you might upgrade to broken stuff | 04:32 |
| Petaris | yeah, I wasn't going to try it yet | 04:33 |
| Petaris | I just wanted to know | 04:33 |
| Petaris | is the artwork package ready yet? | 04:33 |
| ogra | sure, as long as you stayed with the standards it will work flawless... if you tewakesd in non standard ways it might break your tweakage... like in ubuntu or debian | 04:34 |
| Petaris | ok | 04:34 |
| Petaris | most of my tweaking is fairly simple | 04:34 |
| ogra | its not about simplicity | 04:34 |
| Petaris | and some scripts do the rest | 04:35 |
| ogra | its about *how* | 04:35 |
| ogra | i.e. with scripts that change defaults of packages... | 04:35 |
| ogra | you cant rely on that this defaults are there after an upgrade | 04:35 |
| Petaris | yes but if it breaks it my tweaks it is simple for me to redo them | 04:36 |
| ogra | sure, but you'll have to redo them on every security upgrade (worst case) | 04:36 |
| Petaris | yep, until you include them :) | 04:37 |
| Petaris | most are just user interface tweaks | 04:37 |
| Petaris | and things like pushing the icons to users | 04:37 |
| Petaris | simple stuff | 04:38 |
| Petaris | things you will need for your icewm solution | 04:38 |
| Petaris | I will take some screenshots soon | 04:39 |
| Petaris | so you can see | 04:39 |
| Petaris | it is nothing fancy, just standard | 04:39 |
| Petaris | but is the icon artwork package ready yet? | 04:39 |
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| ogra | Petaris, the icewm solution will require changes to icewm to be done right, we dont just throw random scripts around... | 04:58 |
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| ogra | thast why i said it will take longer to do it right and wont be done in breezy | 04:58 |
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| Petaris | ogra: By right you mean what, changing the icewm package to support the things it doesn't support? | 05:14 |
| Petaris | *currently | 05:15 |
| Petaris | I'm using idesk for the icons | 05:15 |
| ogra | exactly... | 05:16 |
| Petaris | one of the scripts just pushes a list of icons from a folder to the users folders | 05:16 |
| Petaris | I don't see the icewm group adding that feature | 05:16 |
| Petaris | to start idesk with the session I just put it in the start file for icewm | 05:17 |
| Petaris | that is still what we would need to do | 05:18 |
| Petaris | unless icewm desides to support icons directly | 05:18 |
| Petaris | which might be in a future release | 05:19 |
| Petaris | what do you have agains scripts anyway | 05:19 |
| Petaris | most of *nix is scripts | 05:19 |
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| DanielC | Hello. How unstable is the current release of Edubuntu? | 06:06 |
| DanielC | I want to install a Linux thin client system at a local school, but SkoleLinux has really old software. | 06:07 |
| ogra | DanielC, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting | 06:07 |
| DanielC | thanks | 06:07 |
| ogra | take the image linked there and follow the instructions | 06:08 |
| ogra | (dont take the daily, its broken currently) | 06:08 |
| DanielC | Ok, thank you. | 06:08 |
| ogra | note too that the image is outdated, you should update in the ed | 06:08 |
| ogra | end | 06:08 |
| DanielC | That's just a 'sudo apt-get update' right? | 06:09 |
| DanielC | (and 'sudo apt-get upgrade') | 06:09 |
| ogra | yup | 06:10 |
| DanielC | good good. thanks for the help. | 06:10 |
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| JaneW | ogra: I thought the problem with our edubuntu wiki going to the native language default page instead of our english front page was resolved? | 09:59 |
| ogra | JaneW, nope, worked around | 09:59 |
| ogra | JaneW, it will be solved if the wikis are merged | 09:59 |
| JaneW | ok, but we have another complaint... | 10:00 |
| JaneW | http://www.edubuntu.org/ForSide | 10:01 |
| JaneW | Norwegian or Danish....? | 10:01 |
| ogra | looks norwegina, but i'm not sure | 10:01 |
| ogra | Mithrandir will know | 10:01 |
| !lilo:*! Upgrading the testnet to rc6.... we're still testing some patches and have put off the production network upgrade until we're as close to 1.0 release as possible.... | 10:04 | |
| ogra | it is :) | 10:06 |
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| Rondom | ogra, I asked a Danish guy | 10:53 |
| Rondom | he said it's Danish | 10:53 |
| ogra_ | out norwegian guy says its norwegian :) | 10:56 |
| JaneW | lol | 10:59 |
| JaneW | I think they are fairly similar... | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | yup | 10:59 |
| JaneW | sounds different spoken though | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | Mithrrrrrrndi also said its capitalized wrong | 10:59 |
| JaneW | to them anyway ;) | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | gah... my keyboard freaks yout | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | out | 11:00 |
| JaneW | lol | 11:00 |
| JaneW | ogra_: you falling asleep at your kb like highvoltage did the other day? | 11:00 |
| JaneW | ogra_: btw why do you have a thwip these days? | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | a thwip ? | 11:01 |
| JaneW | the _ | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | _ _ | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | ? | 11:02 |
| mpt | It's the IRC equivalent of a beard | 11:04 |
| mpt | The more geek you are, the longer your ___ | 11:04 |
| JaneW | lol, so yours is growing? | 11:05 |
| ogra_ | ah, yes, like santa claus :) | 11:05 |
| JaneW | heh | 11:05 |
| ogra_ | i sometimes step on it :) | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | (no, kidding) | 11:07 |
| JaneW | ogra_: must grow fast... | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | heh | 11:09 |
| JaneW | ogra_: : so how can our user get around the Norwegina/Danish front page again? I thought our admin turned it off... | 11:10 |
| JaneW | Norwegian even | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | i guess thats a hno79 question | 11:11 |
| JaneW | ok | 11:12 |
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| JaneW | night | 11:25 |
| JaneW | making the long trek to the office tomorrow, so it's up early for me... | 11:25 |
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| ogra_ | sleep tight JaneW | 11:31 |
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