=== ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F8E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F8E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === darius [n=dario@ppp-119-22.28-151.libero.it] has joined #edubuntu === darius [n=dario@ppp-119-22.28-151.libero.it] has left #edubuntu ["Sto] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.17.209] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu [07:47] hey everyone [07:49] hi === JaneW is now known as JaneW_conf === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089EEAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:22] ogra, any idea why edubuntu ogra colony is so slow in stage 1? [10:22] nope... i didnt see a difference here... [10:22] hmm i must burn a new one much slower then [10:23] jsgotangco, hmm, it could be because it still uses the 2.6.12-6 image.... [10:24] its terribly slow i can barely appreciate it [10:25] strange... its not different to the ubuntu CD it test [10:25] i will just burn another copy and see === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089ED5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ is now known as ogra === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F37D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ is now known as ogra === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.151.20] has joined #edubuntu === daedalus[nl] [n=daedalus@daedalus.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] ogra: are ubuntu doing anything to speed up the boot process? There are lots to gain. I tested and managed to reduce the boot time by 62%. Check [02:17] pere, we already did that for hoary... [02:17] my laptop gets me to gdm in about 35sec [02:18] (indeed you can still speed up more) [02:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot [02:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot [02:19] oh [02:19] heh [02:20] snap! === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D107.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:26] GRRR... every 30mins my DSL drops [02:26] mpt, i had a disussion with kiko yesterday... i'd like to use a comic based font for the desktop, since our target audience will be between 6 and 16, and it will fit better to the gartoon icon theme we use, what are the ui designer thoughts about that [02:26] http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ [02:30] ogra_: That seems reasonable, though it would make lots of layouts wider [02:30] so it might be a good idea to run through all the apps you're shipping to make sure they don't overflow whatever your minimum target resolution is [02:30] Is there a particular font you have in mind? [02:30] mpt, i'm only talking about the desktop font, not the apps [02:31] (Many less-formal fonts have worse Unicode coverage) [02:31] ok [02:31] i.e. the icon captions on the desktop [02:33] TSCu_Comic with at least 13px [02:33] thats what i use here now might also be 14px [02:33] we ship i in the default desktop, so i assume its utf8 clean === mpt cringes at that screenshot of Firefox's default home page [02:35] heh [02:35] thats only a test of my edubuntu-artwork package.... [02:35] oh, I didn't notice any special artwork :-) [02:36] we'll have another page there... but i'll use the css from ubuntu-artwork .. i dont want to double data if i can avoid it [02:36] the logo [02:36] :) [02:46] ogra_: In Germany do your TV channels have their logos as watermarks on the screen all the time during programmes? [02:46] mostly... only during commercials they are off [02:47] yeah [02:47] NZ channels just started doing that a couple of years ago === mpt doesn't like Ubuntu doing it either :-) [02:49] we do have a TV channel ? [02:49] o_O === Petaris [n=Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:56] ogra_: No, but the default background picture does :-) [02:56] ah.. [02:56] At least the background is changeable [02:59] its nice this way, since you can change the colors but still have the svg in front... [02:59] ogra_ mpt: thank you. The fixes done in ubuntu seem to be ortogonal to the fixes I did, so I suspect ubuntu can speed up even more. :) [03:00] the readahead stuff we already have in hoary speeds up quite well... [03:01] I believe you. :) Reorganizing and running in parallel did that too. [03:01] yup [03:02] and both together is the speed overkill ;) [03:04] As long as Ubuntu takes more than five seconds to start up, speeding it up is not overkill [03:05] you can reduce it below 5.... just rip out the bios and put a linux rom in ;) [03:06] ok, probably not below 5... but near this :) [03:07] I remember in the early '90s seeing ads for laptops with Windows, Word, and Excel in ROM [03:09] there is a linux project for this...http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page [03:10] awesome [03:12] HP should port that to their laptops :-) [03:17] yeah === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E335.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-155-105.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW is now known as janeW [04:26] Hello janeW [04:29] hi Petaris [04:30] does upgrade work on edubuntu yet? [04:31] janeW: I have my icewm setup almost ready [04:31] :) [04:31] Petaris, why shouldnt it ? [04:32] just curios if this early release would be upgradable [04:32] as long as upgrade on ubuntu works, it will also work on edubuntu, but keep in mind it is in development, so you might upgrade to broken stuff [04:33] yeah, I wasn't going to try it yet [04:33] I just wanted to know [04:33] is the artwork package ready yet? [04:34] sure, as long as you stayed with the standards it will work flawless... if you tewakesd in non standard ways it might break your tweakage... like in ubuntu or debian [04:34] ok [04:34] most of my tweaking is fairly simple [04:34] its not about simplicity [04:35] and some scripts do the rest [04:35] its about *how* [04:35] i.e. with scripts that change defaults of packages... [04:35] you cant rely on that this defaults are there after an upgrade [04:36] yes but if it breaks it my tweaks it is simple for me to redo them [04:36] sure, but you'll have to redo them on every security upgrade (worst case) [04:37] yep, until you include them :) [04:37] most are just user interface tweaks [04:37] and things like pushing the icons to users [04:38] simple stuff [04:38] things you will need for your icewm solution [04:39] I will take some screenshots soon [04:39] so you can see [04:39] it is nothing fancy, just standard [04:39] but is the icon artwork package ready yet? === Petaris installs samba for his users shared space [04:58] Petaris, the icewm solution will require changes to icewm to be done right, we dont just throw random scripts around... === Seveas [n=seveas@ipd50ab46e.speed.planet.nl] has joined #edubuntu [04:58] thast why i said it will take longer to do it right and wont be done in breezy === janeW is now known as JaneW [05:14] ogra: By right you mean what, changing the icewm package to support the things it doesn't support? [05:15] *currently [05:15] I'm using idesk for the icons [05:16] exactly... [05:16] one of the scripts just pushes a list of icons from a folder to the users folders [05:16] I don't see the icewm group adding that feature [05:17] to start idesk with the session I just put it in the start file for icewm [05:18] that is still what we would need to do [05:18] unless icewm desides to support icons directly [05:19] which might be in a future release [05:19] what do you have agains scripts anyway [05:19] most of *nix is scripts === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E335.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [06:06] Hello. How unstable is the current release of Edubuntu? [06:07] I want to install a Linux thin client system at a local school, but SkoleLinux has really old software. [06:07] DanielC, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [06:07] thanks [06:08] take the image linked there and follow the instructions [06:08] (dont take the daily, its broken currently) [06:08] Ok, thank you. [06:08] note too that the image is outdated, you should update in the ed [06:08] end [06:09] That's just a 'sudo apt-get update' right? [06:09] (and 'sudo apt-get upgrade') [06:10] yup [06:10] good good. thanks for the help. === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_poff === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === JeanG [n=jeang@c3-dbn-63.absamail.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === JeanG [n=jeang@c3-dbn-63.absamail.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === Rondom [i=Rondom@mrbg-d9b9598b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #Edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:59] ogra: I thought the problem with our edubuntu wiki going to the native language default page instead of our english front page was resolved? [09:59] JaneW, nope, worked around [09:59] JaneW, it will be solved if the wikis are merged [10:00] ok, but we have another complaint... [10:01] http://www.edubuntu.org/ForSide [10:01] Norwegian or Danish....? [10:01] looks norwegina, but i'm not sure [10:01] Mithrandir will know [10:04] !lilo:*! Upgrading the testnet to rc6.... we're still testing some patches and have put off the production network upgrade until we're as close to 1.0 release as possible.... [10:06] it is :) === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu [10:53] ogra, I asked a Danish guy [10:53] he said it's Danish [10:56] out norwegian guy says its norwegian :) [10:59] lol [10:59] I think they are fairly similar... [10:59] yup [10:59] sounds different spoken though [10:59] Mithrrrrrrndi also said its capitalized wrong [10:59] to them anyway ;) [11:00] gah... my keyboard freaks yout [11:00] out [11:00] lol [11:00] ogra_: you falling asleep at your kb like highvoltage did the other day? [11:00] ogra_: btw why do you have a thwip these days? [11:01] a thwip ? [11:02] the _ [11:02] _ _ [11:02] ? [11:04] It's the IRC equivalent of a beard [11:04] The more geek you are, the longer your ___ [11:05] lol, so yours is growing? [11:05] ah, yes, like santa claus :) [11:05] heh [11:07] i sometimes step on it :) [11:07] (no, kidding) [11:09] ogra_: must grow fast... [11:09] heh [11:10] ogra_: : so how can our user get around the Norwegina/Danish front page again? I thought our admin turned it off... [11:10] Norwegian even [11:11] i guess thats a hno79 question [11:12] ok === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [11:25] night [11:25] making the long trek to the office tomorrow, so it's up early for me... === Petaris [n=Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] [11:31] sleep tight JaneW === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu