[07:47] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:49] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:22] <jsgotangco> ogra, any idea why edubuntu ogra colony is so slow in stage 1?
[10:22] <ogra> nope... i didnt see a difference here...
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hmm i must burn a new one much slower then
[10:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, hmm, it could be because it still uses the 2.6.12-6 image....
[10:24] <jsgotangco> its terribly slow i can barely appreciate it
[10:25] <ogra> strange... its not different to the ubuntu CD it test 
[10:25] <jsgotangco> i will just burn another copy and see
[02:17] <pere> ogra: are ubuntu doing anything to speed up the boot process?  There are lots to gain.  I tested and managed to reduce the boot time by 62%.  Check <URL: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/initscripts-ng-devel/2005-August/000097.html >
[02:17] <ogra> pere, we already did that for hoary...
[02:17] <ogra> my laptop gets me to gdm in about 35sec
[02:18] <ogra> (indeed you can still speed up more) 
[02:18] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot
[02:19] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot
[02:19] <ogra> oh
[02:19] <ogra> heh
[02:20] <mpt> snap!
[02:26] <ogra_> GRRR... every 30mins my DSL drops
[02:26] <ogra_> mpt, i had a disussion with kiko yesterday... i'd like to use a comic based font for the desktop, since our target audience will be between 6 and 16, and it will fit better to the gartoon icon theme we use, what are the ui designer thoughts about that
[02:26] <ogra_> http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/
[02:30] <mpt> ogra_: That seems reasonable, though it would make lots of layouts wider
[02:30] <mpt> so it might be a good idea to run through all the apps you're shipping to make sure they don't overflow whatever your minimum target resolution is
[02:30] <mpt> Is there a particular font you have in mind?
[02:30] <ogra_> mpt, i'm only talking about the desktop font, not the apps
[02:31] <mpt> (Many less-formal fonts have worse Unicode coverage)
[02:31] <mpt> ok
[02:31] <ogra_> i.e. the icon captions on the desktop
[02:33] <ogra_> TSCu_Comic with at least 13px
[02:33] <ogra_> thats what i use here now might also be 14px
[02:33] <ogra_> we ship i in the default desktop, so i assume its utf8 clean
[02:35] <ogra_> heh
[02:35] <ogra_> thats only a test of my edubuntu-artwork package....
[02:35] <mpt> oh, I didn't notice any special artwork :-)
[02:36] <ogra_> we'll have another page there... but i'll use the css from ubuntu-artwork .. i dont want to double data if i can avoid it
[02:36] <ogra_> the logo
[02:36] <ogra_> :)
[02:46] <mpt> ogra_: In Germany do your TV channels have their logos as watermarks on the screen all the time during programmes?
[02:46] <ogra_> mostly... only during commercials they are off
[02:47] <mpt> yeah
[02:47] <mpt> NZ channels just started doing that a couple of years ago
[02:49] <ogra_> we do have a TV channel ? 
[02:49] <ogra_> o_O
[02:56] <mpt> ogra_: No, but the default background picture does :-)
[02:56] <ogra_> ah..
[02:56] <mpt> At least the background is changeable
[02:59] <ogra_> its nice this way, since you can change the colors but still have the svg in front...
[02:59] <pere> ogra_ mpt: thank you.  The fixes done in ubuntu seem to be ortogonal to the fixes I did, so I suspect ubuntu can speed up even more. :)
[03:00] <ogra_> the readahead stuff we already have in hoary speeds up quite well...
[03:01] <pere> I believe you.  :)  Reorganizing and running in parallel did that too.
[03:01] <ogra_> yup
[03:02] <ogra_> and both together is the speed overkill ;)
[03:04] <mpt> As long as Ubuntu takes more than five seconds to start up, speeding it up is not overkill
[03:05] <ogra_> you can reduce it below 5.... just rip out the bios and put a linux rom in ;)
[03:06] <ogra_> ok, probably not below 5... but near this :)
[03:07] <mpt> I remember in the early '90s seeing ads for laptops with Windows, Word, and Excel in ROM
[03:09] <ogra_> there is a linux project for this...http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page
[03:10] <mpt> awesome
[03:12] <mpt> HP should port that to their laptops :-)
[03:17] <ogra_> yeah
[04:26] <Petaris> Hello janeW
[04:29] <janeW> hi Petaris 
[04:30] <Petaris> does upgrade work on edubuntu yet?
[04:31] <Petaris> janeW: I have my icewm setup almost ready
[04:31] <Petaris> :)
[04:31] <ogra> Petaris, why shouldnt it ? 
[04:32] <Petaris> just curios if this early release would be upgradable
[04:32] <ogra> as long as upgrade on ubuntu works, it will also work on edubuntu, but keep in mind it is in development, so you might upgrade to broken stuff
[04:33] <Petaris> yeah, I wasn't going to try it yet
[04:33] <Petaris> I just wanted to know
[04:33] <Petaris> is the artwork package ready yet?
[04:34] <ogra> sure, as long as you stayed with the standards it will work flawless... if you tewakesd in non standard ways it might break your tweakage... like in ubuntu or debian
[04:34] <Petaris> ok
[04:34] <Petaris> most of my tweaking is fairly simple
[04:34] <ogra> its not about simplicity
[04:35] <Petaris> and some scripts do the rest
[04:35] <ogra> its about *how*
[04:35] <ogra> i.e. with scripts that change defaults of packages... 
[04:35] <ogra> you cant rely on that this defaults are there after an upgrade
[04:36] <Petaris> yes but if it breaks it my tweaks it is simple for me to redo them
[04:36] <ogra> sure, but you'll have to redo them on every security upgrade (worst case)
[04:37] <Petaris> yep, until you include them  :)
[04:37] <Petaris> most are just user interface tweaks
[04:37] <Petaris> and things like pushing the icons to users
[04:38] <Petaris> simple stuff
[04:38] <Petaris> things you will need for your icewm solution
[04:39] <Petaris> I will take some screenshots soon
[04:39] <Petaris> so you can see
[04:39] <Petaris> it is nothing fancy, just standard
[04:39] <Petaris> but is the icon artwork package ready yet?
[04:58] <ogra> Petaris, the icewm solution will require changes to icewm to be done right, we dont just throw random scripts around...
[04:58] <ogra> thast why i said it will take longer to do it right and wont be done in breezy
[05:14] <Petaris> ogra: By right you mean what, changing the icewm package to support the things it doesn't support?
[05:15] <Petaris> *currently
[05:15] <Petaris> I'm using idesk for the icons
[05:16] <ogra> exactly...
[05:16] <Petaris> one of the scripts just pushes a list of icons from a folder to the users folders
[05:16] <Petaris> I don't see the icewm group adding that feature
[05:17] <Petaris> to start idesk with the session I just put it in the start file for icewm
[05:18] <Petaris> that is still what we would need to do
[05:18] <Petaris> unless icewm desides to support icons directly
[05:19] <Petaris> which might be in a future release
[05:19] <Petaris> what do you have agains scripts anyway
[05:19] <Petaris> most of *nix is scripts
[06:06] <DanielC> Hello. How unstable is the current release of Edubuntu?
[06:07] <DanielC> I want to install a Linux thin client system at a local school, but SkoleLinux has really old software.
[06:07] <ogra> DanielC, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[06:07] <DanielC> thanks
[06:08] <ogra> take the image linked there and follow the instructions
[06:08] <ogra> (dont take the daily, its broken currently)
[06:08] <DanielC> Ok, thank you.
[06:08] <ogra> note too that the image is outdated, you should update in the ed
[06:08] <ogra> end
[06:09] <DanielC> That's just a 'sudo apt-get update' right?
[06:09] <DanielC> (and 'sudo apt-get upgrade')
[06:10] <ogra> yup
[06:10] <DanielC> good good. thanks for the help.
[09:59] <JaneW> ogra: I thought the problem with our edubuntu wiki going to the native language default page instead of our english front page was resolved?
[09:59] <ogra> JaneW, nope, worked around
[09:59] <ogra> JaneW, it will be solved if the wikis are merged
[10:00] <JaneW> ok, but we have another complaint...
[10:01] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/ForSide
[10:01] <JaneW> Norwegian or Danish....?
[10:01] <ogra> looks norwegina, but i'm not sure
[10:01] <ogra> Mithrandir will know
[10:04] !lilo:*! Upgrading the testnet to rc6.... we're still testing some patches and have put off the production network upgrade until we're as close to 1.0 release as possible....
[10:06] <ogra> it is :)
[10:53] <Rondom> ogra, I asked a Danish guy
[10:53] <Rondom> he said it's Danish
[10:56] <ogra_> out norwegian guy says its norwegian :)
[10:59] <JaneW> lol
[10:59] <JaneW> I think they are fairly similar...
[10:59] <ogra_> yup
[10:59] <JaneW> sounds different spoken though
[10:59] <ogra_> Mithrrrrrrndi also said its capitalized wrong
[10:59] <JaneW> to them anyway ;)
[11:00] <ogra_> gah... my keyboard freaks yout
[11:00] <ogra_> out
[11:00] <JaneW> lol
[11:00] <JaneW> ogra_: you falling asleep at your kb like highvoltage  did the other day?
[11:00] <JaneW> ogra_: btw why do you have a thwip these days?
[11:01] <ogra_> a thwip ? 
[11:02] <JaneW> the _
[11:02] <ogra_> _ _
[11:02] <ogra_> ?
[11:04] <mpt> It's the IRC equivalent of a beard
[11:04] <mpt> The more geek you are, the longer your ___
[11:05] <JaneW> lol, so yours is growing?
[11:05] <ogra_> ah, yes, like santa claus :)
[11:05] <JaneW> heh
[11:07] <ogra_> i sometimes step on it :)
[11:07] <ogra_> (no, kidding) 
[11:09] <JaneW> ogra_: must grow fast...
[11:09] <ogra_> heh
[11:10] <JaneW> ogra_: : so how can our user get around the Norwegina/Danish front page again? I thought our admin turned it off...
[11:10] <JaneW> Norwegian even
[11:11] <ogra_> i guess thats a hno79 question
[11:12] <JaneW> ok
[11:25] <JaneW> night
[11:25] <JaneW> making the long trek to the office tomorrow, so it's up early for me...
[11:31] <ogra_> sleep tight JaneW