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| tapanim | not so nice... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343422 | 12:10 |
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| tapanim | nikkia: it's time to wake up... | 12:14 |
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| tapanim | does anyone know something about that? | 12:22 |
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| Tiggs | im trying to install kubuntu, but i cant get my cd to boot from my usb cdrom drive | 12:35 |
| Tiggs | is there another way? | 12:36 |
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| _kay | hm... you upgrade only one package | 12:41 |
| _kay | tapanim: What apt sources did you add? | 12:42 |
| _kay | And is your disk full | 12:42 |
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| === ..[topic/#kubuntu:mornfall] : Kubuntu Official Help Channel | KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php | Adept alpha out - http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | ||
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| arcanistherogue | hey, on bootup, my system fails at "Setting Sensor limits" | 12:45 |
| arcanistherogue | what does that do? | 12:45 |
| _kay | fail in what sense? | 12:46 |
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| mcquaid | hello all | 12:48 |
| mcquaid | since i upgraded to 3.4.2 kcheckgmail no longer works | 12:48 |
| mcquaid | anyone else encounter this? | 12:48 |
| mcquaid | it seems to run fine but never notifies me new mail | 12:48 |
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| _kay | nene | 01:29 |
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| kittychan | how do i set up a scanner in kde? | 01:46 |
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| kittychan | how do you add a scanner under kde? | 01:52 |
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| makk | has anyone messed much with a synaptic touchpad? i cant seem to enable vertical scrolling | 02:07 |
| arcanistherogue | hey, on bootup, my system fails at "Setting Sensor limits" | 02:08 |
| _frank | that must be a driver thing... I don't know if kde supports it but maybe | 02:08 |
| _frank | arcanistherogue: did you install lm-sensors? I think that's what causes this when its not configured right | 02:09 |
| arcanistherogue | hmmm | 02:09 |
| arcanistherogue | i dont think i did | 02:09 |
| arcanistherogue | its already in, newest version | 02:09 |
| arcanistherogue | how do i configure it? | 02:10 |
| _frank | I think you have to run /usr/sbin/sensors-detect | 02:11 |
| _frank | and then add the modules it finds to /etc/modules | 02:11 |
| _frank | This is just from memory and could be completely wrong :-) | 02:11 |
| arcanistherogue | heh :D | 02:12 |
| arcanistherogue | I have nothing to lose | 02:12 |
| _frank | yeah, thats it... sensors-detect even can add the modules to /etc/modules automatically, I just checked mine | 02:13 |
| arcanistherogue | Do you wan't to add these lines to /etc/modules automatically? (yes/NO)y | 02:13 |
| arcanistherogue | 8) | 02:13 |
| _frank | after lm-sensors works, you can use ksensors | 02:14 |
| _frank | and have your cpu temp or whatever in your system tray | 02:14 |
| arcanistherogue | say, im having another error you could perhaps help me with... whenever I play games for more than 3 minutes, my computer freezes. It really stinks, i cant play quake. would you happen to know what would cause this? | 02:14 |
| _frank | overheating? | 02:14 |
| arcanistherogue | thats what everyone says? | 02:14 |
| arcanistherogue | how do i tell the temperature | 02:15 |
| arcanistherogue | can i see it in Ksensors | 02:15 |
| arcanistherogue | ? | 02:15 |
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| _frank | umm... it could be your procecessor or your video card | 02:15 |
| arcanistherogue | Hmmm... | 02:15 |
| arcanistherogue | They are both pretty good, and I have like 5 fans in my case... | 02:16 |
| _frank | and some video cards have temperature sensors... | 02:16 |
| monster | my pc is failing to boot at ... Starting hotplug subsystem | 02:16 |
| arcanistherogue | say, if i were to touch my CPU, would I burn myself <_< | 02:16 |
| _frank | monster: do you have anything strange plugged into it? ;-) | 02:16 |
| monster | nope | 02:17 |
| _frank | arcanistherogue: you mean the side of the heat sink? it should be bearable | 02:17 |
| monster | just bought the laptop today | 02:17 |
| apokryphos | make sure you never try to run your PC without the fan on the CPU -- normally burns in a matter of seconds | 02:17 |
| arcanistherogue | nifty | 02:17 |
| arcanistherogue | well ihave a fan and a heatsink | 02:17 |
| arcanistherogue | one of those combo things | 02:17 |
| _frank | monster: I don't know... you probably should search for info about your specific laptop on the forums/google | 02:18 |
| arcanistherogue | how many fans are good? can you have overkill? I have 2 in the back, one on top, one near my hard drives, and one on the window. is that too much? | 02:18 |
| monster | im trying to disable hotplug from commandline | 02:19 |
| monster | but nohotplug didnt work | 02:19 |
| _frank | arcanistherogue: as long as the processor and video card cooling is good enough, the rest should be fine | 02:19 |
| arcanistherogue | thats pretty nifty | 02:19 |
| arcanistherogue | how do i tell my CPU temperature? i want to know if its overheating or not. | 02:20 |
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| _frank | well reboot to get lm-sensors working and that will get the cpu temperature | 02:20 |
| _frank | if it works well | 02:20 |
| arcanistherogue | oh, ok | 02:20 |
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| monster | i guess what i need to know is how to disable hotplug at boot | 02:26 |
| crimsun | use update-rc.d to remove the rc.X symlinks | 02:26 |
| crimsun | you may well break stuff, though, so be careful | 02:26 |
| monster | im at grub | 02:28 |
| monster | any way to run a interactive boot | 02:29 |
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| renzo | holas | 02:30 |
| renzo | alguien de chile | 02:30 |
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| stinger | hi@all | 02:32 |
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| arcanistherogue | _frank: so, how do i get it to show the temperature with Ksensors again? | 02:38 |
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| arcanistherogue | nevermind, i got it :D | 02:43 |
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| ray_ | is kde based in germany? | 02:47 |
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| monster | anyone know how to disable hotplug via grub | 03:13 |
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| jayparadise | anyone have a /etc/apt/sources link? | 03:31 |
| jsubl2 | !repositories | 03:32 |
| ubotu | I guess repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto | 03:32 |
| jayparadise | thanks | 03:32 |
| jsubl2 | np | 03:34 |
| jsubl2 | the knows alot if you ask the right questions | 03:34 |
| jsubl2 | the bot rather | 03:34 |
| jayparadise | hm | 03:34 |
| jayparadise | should kubuntu come with synaptic? | 03:34 |
| jsubl2 | not sure there.. kynaptic for sure. but kynaptic is lame imho | 03:35 |
| jayparadise | yes it is. | 03:35 |
| jsubl2 | sudo apt-get install synaptic | 03:35 |
| jayparadise | that link shows you how to update using symaptic | 03:35 |
| jayparadise | i search using kyn* but it cant find it | 03:35 |
| jayparadise | and it looks like firefox needs some gtk libs | 03:36 |
| jayparadise | yo jsubl2 if you dont mind can you msg me your sources | 03:37 |
| jayparadise | nevermind i think i just had to uncomment some stuff | 03:38 |
| jsubl2 | did that work | 03:42 |
| jsubl2 | msg me i cant seem to get to you | 03:44 |
| jsubl2 | well actually i am running breezy | 03:44 |
| jsubl2 | ubuntuguide.org is down.. | 03:45 |
| jsubl2 | it has a nice copy/paste sources.list | 03:45 |
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| apokryphos | !sources | 03:47 |
| ubotu | sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 | 03:47 |
| jsubl2 | jayparadise: check out the paste link | 03:47 |
| jsubl2 | konversation does not seem to msg very well | 03:48 |
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| Pocahontas | Hi | 04:58 |
| Pocahontas | I forgot the name of the file I have to edit to change the monitor resolution | 04:59 |
| Pocahontas | can you tell me were is it? | 04:59 |
| jsubl2 | edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 04:59 |
| Pocahontas | ok thanks :-) | 04:59 |
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| Spermie | i have a ati in my laptop but the ati fglrx drivers dont wanna work for me, anyway around this? | 05:29 |
| crimsun | the fglrx drivers in Warty, Hoary, or Breezy? | 05:30 |
| Spermie | actaully mepis | 05:31 |
| crimsun | ... | 05:31 |
| Spermie | yeah i know, not much help in #mepis. but mepis is just like kubuntu | 05:32 |
| Spermie | i run kubuntu - mepis - gentoo | 05:33 |
| crimsun | I'm not familiar w/ MEPIS, so unless you tell me specifically what versions and what configurations are included, I'm afraid I can't help. | 05:34 |
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| trans_err | is KDM broken? | 05:41 |
| BTJustice | Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)? | 05:41 |
| redtech | the first time i put in a kubuntu cd, i recieved a message asking me if I wanted to upgrade to kubuntu... i put the cd in again, now its not asking. How can I get that message back? | 05:43 |
| trans_err | redtech: do you just want to upgrade to kubuntu? | 05:44 |
| trans_err | redtech: err, install kubuntu | 05:44 |
| redtech | im currently running ubuntu. I would like to just "upgrade", im assuming my data will remain intact. | 05:45 |
| pax | redtech: you want to upgrade ubuntu from what to what? | 05:46 |
| pax | are you trying to get kubuntu (ubuntu + KDE)? | 05:47 |
| redtech | yes | 05:47 |
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| redtech | im guessing I could just enable the cd for repository and apt-get kubuntu-desktop ? | 05:48 |
| pax | redtech: in terminal type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 05:48 |
| pax | redtech: yes. | 05:48 |
| redtech | is that all the "Upgrade Message" does? | 05:48 |
| pax | I'm not familiar with that message or upgrade to kubuntu via CD. but I would guess yes. | 05:49 |
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| supernix | Hiya gang | 06:24 |
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| BTJustice | Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)? | 06:32 |
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| BTJustice | Should I uncomment any other lines in my sources.list file? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1535 | 06:52 |
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| smudo | how do I get XDMCP to run? | 07:14 |
| smudo | I need to do remote logins on my closed network. | 07:14 |
| smudo | I edited the kdmrc but may have made a mistake | 07:14 |
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| smudo | hmmm | 07:21 |
| smudo | nobody here? | 07:21 |
| smudo | okay... | 07:23 |
| smudo | well | 07:23 |
| smudo | ummmm | 07:23 |
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| JeffAMcGee | BTJustice: is ~/.kde/share/config/emailidentities what you're looking for? | 07:23 |
| JeffAMcGee | well, smudo I've never used XDMCP and no one else has said anything for half an hour. | 07:27 |
| JeffAMcGee | And I think btjustice is long gone. He asked a question a while back. | 07:27 |
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| chakie | anyone had problems with tcsh? | 08:18 |
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| chakie | if that's your shell then kdm won't start kde at all, it just directly flashes to black and then restarts | 08:18 |
| chakie | bash works ok | 08:19 |
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| chakie | no visible evident error in .xsession-errors either | 08:19 |
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| prjkt_trash | newb in need of help | 08:22 |
| prjkt_trash | *sighs* i feel like such an idiot | 08:22 |
| prjkt_trash | 1 - cannot find alsaconf, 2 - dont know my own root password | 08:25 |
| chakie | prjkt_trash: 2) is easy | 08:25 |
| chakie | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root | 08:25 |
| prjkt_trash | chakie: thanks much on that one! that was about as confusing as hell at first | 08:26 |
| chakie | prjkt_trash: we were looking at the same thing yesterday :) | 08:27 |
| prjkt_trash | chakie: lol. my major problem is that i have a SB live 24 sound card and even though it automatically installs alsa-base and alsa-utils it cant find the alsaconf command | 08:28 |
| chakie | our kubuntu has no alsaconf either | 08:29 |
| prjkt_trash | X( | 08:29 |
| chakie | maybe you can install "alsaconf"? | 08:29 |
| prjkt_trash | possibly | 08:30 |
| prjkt_trash | brb | 08:30 |
| chakie | there is such a package | 08:30 |
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| prjkt_trash | X( | 08:33 |
| prjkt_trash | it doesnt rain it pours | 08:34 |
| prjkt_trash | man i was having better luck with straight up debian | 08:34 |
| chavo | chakie, just changed my shell to tcsh and started another session, logged in to KDE fine. | 08:34 |
| prjkt_trash | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) | 08:34 |
| prjkt_trash | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 08:34 |
| prjkt_trash | apt-get cant get lock | 08:34 |
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| chakie | chavo: weird... | 08:36 |
| prjkt_trash | any ideas on the last problem chakie? | 08:36 |
| chakie | prjkt_trash: do it as root | 08:36 |
| prjkt_trash | dide | 08:36 |
| prjkt_trash | did* | 08:36 |
| chavo | yeah. I'm not running kubuntu packages though | 08:36 |
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| chavo | running 3.5 alpha, but that probably doesn't matter | 08:36 |
| prjkt_trash | *smacks forehead* thanks chavo...that just reminded me what i needed to do | 08:36 |
| chakie | chavo: older kde + kdm have worked ok with tcsh | 08:37 |
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| prjkt_trash | (with the coment about kpackages) | 08:37 |
| chavo | konsole wouldn't start in the other session though | 08:37 |
| chakie | chavo: it's something that happens before kde even gets a chance to begin starting up | 08:37 |
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| chavo | wierd. | 08:38 |
| chakie | immediately after pressing "enter" in kdm it turn black and restarts. so something maybe tries to run something using tcsh | 08:38 |
| chavo | I've never used anything but bash either, so can't really say what's going on. | 08:38 |
| chakie | yeah | 08:38 |
| chakie | i use bash too, but my wife prefers tcsh | 08:39 |
| chavo | that's cool | 08:39 |
| chakie | she's too lazy to learn bash, has used tcsh over 10 years. inertia... | 08:39 |
| chakie | need to start digging through the x.org startup files, her settings etc | 08:41 |
| chakie | time to go to work | 08:41 |
| prjkt_trash | thanks for the help everyone im gonna be off to make another attempt at fixing this crap...will probably return eventually | 08:42 |
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| chavo | chakie, you still here? | 08:43 |
| chakie | yup | 08:43 |
| chavo | http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/08/msg00430.html | 08:43 |
| chavo | check that out | 08:43 |
| chakie | great! | 08:45 |
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| chavo | yeah sounded like the same problem | 08:45 |
| chakie | that seems like a possible solution | 08:46 |
| chakie | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266814 | 08:46 |
| chakie | marked as closed though | 08:46 |
| chavo | I just did a google search for -> kdm tcsh login, and there seems to be a lot of hits | 08:47 |
| chakie | oh yeah | 08:47 |
| chakie | i googled for different stuff | 08:48 |
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| chakie | chavo: thanks for the help! | 08:50 |
| chakie | i'll leave my wife to go through them, i'll head off to work | 08:51 |
| chavo | no problem, hope you get it straightened out | 08:51 |
| chavo | yeah gotta o too | 08:51 |
| chakie | she's having a "sick day", got a new computer yesterday :) | 08:51 |
| chavo | go | 08:51 |
| chavo | nice | 08:51 |
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| Tiggs | im not able to boot from my cdrom, is there any other way to get kubuntu? | 09:01 |
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| tapanim | i have that kind of problem http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343422 | 09:25 |
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| skyred | what does groupware client mean? | 09:26 |
| redguy | tapanim: seems that the package is corrupt | 09:27 |
| tapanim | redguy: where i can get working package? | 09:30 |
| redguy | tapanim: try deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb and apt-get unsermake again | 09:34 |
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| Thardas | How can I install Firefox in Kubuntu? | 09:37 |
| buz | i just read linux.ars about cairo in gtk 2.8 | 09:37 |
| buz | will we get cairo support in qt? | 09:37 |
| tapanim | redguy: not working :/ | 09:38 |
| redguy | tapanim: no idea then | 09:38 |
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| mindspin | Thardas: sudo kynaptic | 09:47 |
| Thardas | mindspin: I tried installing it with aptitude but it complains about numerous dependencies. | 09:50 |
| Thardas | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 09:50 |
| Thardas | mozilla-firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) which is a virtual package. | 09:50 |
| Thardas | Depends: libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0) which is a virtual package. | 09:50 |
| Thardas | ... | 09:50 |
| mindspin | did you apt-get update ? | 09:51 |
| Thardas | aptitude update but it should do the same thing. | 09:52 |
| mindspin | it worked fine here, and did not complain.... but this answer doesn't really help you | 09:52 |
| mindspin | try installing the necessary packages | 09:53 |
| Thardas | I tried kynaptic but when I tried to press install on Firefox, it didn't do anything, not even complain. | 09:53 |
| mindspin | you started kynaptic with sudo? | 09:53 |
| Thardas | Kynaptic doesn't seem to be very mature so I decided to stick with aptitude. | 09:53 |
| hussam | Will the game nexuiz run on hoary? | 09:53 |
| mindspin | kynaptic works pretty fine for me | 09:54 |
| Thardas | Yes, sudo kynaptic. | 09:54 |
| Thardas | And this is a fresh install so I shouldn't have screwed anything. | 09:54 |
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| Thardas | I just updated the package list and updated before trying Firefox. | 09:54 |
| mindspin | i installed it five minutes ago on a testing system and worked fine, so I have no idea | 09:55 |
| Thardas | What repositories should I have in sources.list? | 09:56 |
| mindspin | he, that would be my next too, | 09:56 |
| mindspin | wait | 09:56 |
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| mindspin | it worked here without any additions from the basic sources.list | 09:59 |
| mindspin | i.e without universe enabled | 09:59 |
| mindspin | so your troubles look a little weird | 09:59 |
| Thardas | deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe[\n] deb-src http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe[\n] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted[\n] deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted | 10:00 |
| Thardas | I have those. | 10:00 |
| Thardas | At first I just had cdrom so I uncommented the lines described about. | 10:00 |
| Thardas | about -> above | 10:00 |
| mindspin | maybe the packages are messed up | 10:00 |
| mindspin | try another source | 10:00 |
| mindspin | like http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted | 10:01 |
| mindspin | fi stands for finland(suomi) ? | 10:02 |
| Thardas | Yes. | 10:02 |
| Thardas | I'll try without universe. | 10:02 |
| mindspin | I used the german sources | 10:02 |
| mindspin | I have universe enabled on my laptop and had no troubles installing firefox | 10:03 |
| Thardas | Ah, now. | 10:05 |
| Thardas | Without universe it at leasts starts installing. | 10:05 |
| Thardas | -s | 10:05 |
| mindspin | hehe | 10:05 |
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| nikkia | mornin thoreauputic | 10:59 |
| thoreauputic | hi nikkia :) | 11:00 |
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| nikkia | thoreauputic: i think i'm getting a bit of a reputation at work :/ | 11:01 |
| nikkia | Message from xxxxxx xxx at 22/08/2005 23:41 | 11:02 |
| nikkia | not working I hope | 11:02 |
| nikkia | (sender was one of my bosses) | 11:02 |
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| thoreauputic | nikkia: here's one for you to answer - (maybe). If I open two urxvt in X, "who" doesn't register them ( invoked with -ls for login shell) But... two aterms and they show up as pts/XX ?? | 11:03 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: heh - they don't see IRC as work then ;-) | 11:03 |
| thoreauputic | strange ... | 11:03 |
| thoreauputic | ;-) | 11:03 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: only thing i can think of, is the 'urxvt' (? is that a modified rxvt?) isn't actually registering itself in the wtmp properly, despite the -ls | 11:04 |
| thoreauputic | urxvt is a unicode version of rxvt, yeah | 11:04 |
| nikkia | it might be thru bad code, it might be thru design, or it could be a permissions problem | 11:05 |
| thoreauputic | wtmp eh? hmm /me goes looking... | 11:05 |
| nikkia | most term apps run as setuid root so they can write to wtmp/utmp | 11:05 |
| thoreauputic | apparently konsole does the same thing.. or doesn't, as it were | 11:05 |
| thoreauputic | ah the setuid is another interesting thought... | 11:06 |
| nikkia | i think its still up to the terminal app to create a wtmp entry, even if login shell is requested | 11:06 |
| nikkia | ie, its not automatic | 11:06 |
| nikkia | so as i said, it could be thru design/bad code | 11:07 |
| nikkia | personally, i kind of like it that way, having every pty show up in wtmp/utmp would be messy here :) | 11:07 |
| thoreauputic | right, i see - if you run , say , 2 instances of konsole there, does the count increment? | 11:07 |
| nikkia | it doesn't even incrememnt with one :P | 11:08 |
| nikkia | root tty2 Fri10 3days 0.02s 0.02s -bash | 11:08 |
| nikkia | nikki tty3 Fri10 3days 2.23s 0.72s -bash | 11:08 |
| nikkia | nikki :0 Fri10 ?xdm? 3:00m 0.02s /bin/sh /usr/bin/startkde | 11:08 |
| nikkia | no mention of konsole there :) | 11:08 |
| nikkia | actually, 'who' does report 1 extra session on pts/0 | 11:08 |
| thoreauputic | neither urxvt nor konsole increment here: but xterm and aterm do | 11:08 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: try 'who -a' | 11:09 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: heh - yeah I did that but the output was .. rather large and I didn't grep through it: it isn't a life threatening issue: i was just curious ;-) | 11:10 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: and its a bit non-sensical too | 11:10 |
| thoreauputic | I have gkrellm here and I'm used to seeing how many terminals are open *shrug* | 11:11 |
| thoreauputic | but no biggie | 11:11 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: i bet konsole has an option whether to write to utmp/wtmp, and its disabled by default | 11:11 |
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| nikkia | hmmm, don't see anything | 11:12 |
| thoreauputic | nver mind | 11:12 |
| thoreauputic | damn - just realised I need to shop... | 11:13 |
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| thoreauputic | nikkia: later :) thanks | 11:13 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: tbh, i think a better way to tell would be to count the pty's being used | 11:13 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: yup | 11:13 |
| thoreauputic | gotta go! | 11:13 |
| thoreauputic | see you | 11:13 |
| nikkia | see ya | 11:13 |
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| apokryphos | it's far too early for work | 11:14 |
| nikkia | heh, morning apokryphos | 11:14 |
| apokryphos | in fact, it's too early for anything; what am I doing up. :D | 11:14 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: did you see the IM i pasted here a few minutes ago ? :) | 11:15 |
| apokryphos | Family is coming around tomorrow; figure I should adjust my sleeping time so I can see them properly | 11:15 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: about your repetitive negligience at work? Yes. | 11:15 |
| nikkia | negligence ?? | 11:15 |
| apokryphos | :P | 11:15 |
| apokryphos | tut tut | 11:16 |
| nikkia | wow, that looks like a fun job! | 11:16 |
| Thardas | How can I start sshd? | 11:16 |
| nikkia | one of the petrol station employs over the road is cleaning the forecourt, with a hand held brush :P | 11:16 |
| nikkia | Thardas: /etc/init.d/ssh start but kubuntu doesn't install the ssh server by default, just the client | 11:17 |
| apokryphos | That's like mowing a lawn with a pair of sciccors | 11:17 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: yeah | 11:17 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: he's being disciplined | 11:17 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: wouldn't surprise me | 11:17 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: they put in a PA system last week.... | 11:17 |
| Thardas | nikkia: I tried to find something ssh related from aptitude but ssh didn't give me expected results. How is the server package named? | 11:18 |
| nikkia | and all week, you'd hear them chattering to each other using the PA | 11:18 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: that's what happens to people that don't work at work -- be aware! | 11:18 |
| nikkia | now, its eerily silent | 11:18 |
| apokryphos | I wonder what punishment I'd be fit for | 11:18 |
| nikkia | !info ssh-server | 11:18 |
| nikkia | hmmm | 11:18 |
| apokryphos | isn't it openssh something? | 11:18 |
| apokryphos | !find ssh | 11:18 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: there's a seperate sshd package, tho | 11:18 |
| apokryphos | !info openssh-server | 11:18 |
| ubotu | openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB | 11:19 |
| nikkia | thats it | 11:19 |
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| nikkia | 'rshd replacement' ?!?! | 11:19 |
| apokryphos | no idea | 11:19 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: well, thats a bit like saying 'ssh - a telnet replacement' | 11:19 |
| Thardas | ubotu: thanks. | 11:20 |
| ubotu | Thardas: sure thing | 11:20 |
| nikkia | at some level its true, but at another level, its a bald-faced lie! | 11:20 |
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| Thardas | It's a bit confusing when you're using Gentoo, Kubuntu, DesktopBSD and Windows at the same time. :) | 11:20 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: well, you can never be too sure with these devils, err, debian users. | 11:20 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: as i remember rsh, its great for one thing - gaining entry to a system :P | 11:21 |
| apokryphos | Thardas: Definitely. Trash Gentoo, DesktopBSD and Windows. | 11:21 |
| === apokryphos pictures nikkia hacking away stealing files from computers | ||
| apokryphos | and leaving little notes "Nikki woz 'ere Y2K B4U" | 11:22 |
| Thardas | apokryphos: nah, Kubuntu isn't very practical on headless server. | 11:22 |
| Thardas | DesktopBSD will probably be thrashed if there's no surprise problems with Kubuntu. | 11:22 |
| nikkia | Thardas: thats why it has a 'server' install :P | 11:22 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: "iriver 's warranty covers only those defects which arise as a result of normal use of the product" :/ | 11:23 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: ? | 11:23 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: oh, you blew it up then ? | 11:23 |
| Thardas | But this a probably designed to fit the needs of desktop user. I think I'll stick with Gentoo on my server. It's a file server at the same time so I don't like experimenting with it. :) | 11:23 |
| apokryphos | and in particular, not ones "which has been subjected to unusual physical or electrical stress, misuse, abuse, power shortage, or negligence" | 11:24 |
| nikkia | oh well, now its easy to justify buying that iAudio you were drooling over just minutes before 'accidently' plugging in the wrong PSU :P | 11:24 |
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| apokryphos | nikkia: it's like it blew up without an explosion. Could it be any worse! | 11:24 |
| edvardas | how to extract rar and zip files with console? | 11:24 |
| apokryphos | I couldn't do it with a clear conscience; that's a lot of money wasted on MP3 players. I could be... buying sweets! | 11:24 |
| nikkia | edrex: sudo apt-get install unrar and sudo apt-get install unzip :) | 11:25 |
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| nikkia | edvardas: even | 11:25 |
| apokryphos | or sudo apt-get install unrar unzip :P | 11:25 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: you can chain? didn't know that, rarely use apt-get anyway | 11:25 |
| apokryphos | yup | 11:25 |
| edvardas | so it will just install rar and zip, but how to extract files with console? | 11:25 |
| nikkia | edvardas: 'unzip file.zip' and 'unrar x file.rar' | 11:26 |
| apokryphos | man unrar ; man unzip | 11:26 |
| edvardas | ok thank you | 11:26 |
| nikkia | altho i'm not sure if the command lines for the free unrar and the non-free unrar are identical | 11:26 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: on the other hand, HSBC are sending me a lame mp3 "shortly"; looks like it'll have to suffice | 11:27 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: ah | 11:27 |
| apokryphos | finding out you wasted 160 squid is never a good feeling, though :( | 11:27 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: my bank finally found the 400 i 'paid in' yesterday, so i'm happy | 11:27 |
| nikkia | (paid in at the post office 2 weeks ago, and it got lost somewhere) | 11:27 |
| apokryphos | That's like getting tax-back at the end of the year. Great stuff. | 11:27 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: they were real good about it tho, gave me a overdraft extension 'until the money is found' | 11:28 |
| nikkia | (well, extended the interest free portion of my overdraft) | 11:28 |
| apokryphos | heh | 11:28 |
| apokryphos | Opened a savings account yesterday. I looked online for the deals and it said 6.4%! I go in and the max I can get, really, was 2.4 % :S | 11:29 |
| apokryphos | Better than barely nothing, at least. | 11:29 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: my bank just lowered their interest rates, i think its 3.8% now on a cheque-book account :/ | 11:30 |
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| nikkia | not really their fault tho, its the BoE that lowered rates | 11:30 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: who you with? | 11:30 |
| nikkia | on the other hand, it means my CC interest dropped to 11.8% from 12.0 | 11:30 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: Cahoot | 11:30 |
| ThxGiving | hi | 11:30 |
| ThxGiving | im using ubuntu with kde 3.4.2 | 11:30 |
| apokryphos | :| | 11:30 |
| ThxGiving | got some strange probs | 11:30 |
| ThxGiving | when i use kdesu it says "su is not in your path" | 11:31 |
| ThxGiving | when i start konsole.. i get no prompt | 11:31 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: they're a real good bank, except for the fact that being 'internet only' you can only deposit money via the post office, and it takes 3-5 days | 11:31 |
| ThxGiving | + there are no icons on the desktop! | 11:31 |
| ThxGiving | *help* | 11:31 |
| apokryphos | no icons on the desktop -- not a bad thing, per se. I never have any :P. How did you install? | 11:31 |
| ThxGiving | apt-get install kdebase | 11:31 |
| ThxGiving | apt-get install kde-i18n-de | 11:31 |
| ThxGiving | apt-get install kdm | 11:32 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 11:32 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop | 11:32 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: it looks like you've picked up kde from a non-kubuntu repository | 11:32 |
| ThxGiving | actually from | 11:32 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: the 'su not on path' thing is suspiciously like you're using a debian/other kdesu | 11:32 |
| ThxGiving | v | 11:32 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: I wasted my work-experience at HSBC bank, and signed up there. Talk about boring. :/ | 11:32 |
| ThxGiving | ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubunty hoary-updates main | 11:32 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i, erm, still owe hsbc money :P | 11:32 |
| ThxGiving | my source ;) | 11:32 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: when i moved to the US, i owed them 1500 in CC bills, and never paid :P | 11:33 |
| apokryphos | :-O | 11:33 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: how did you manage that? ;-) | 11:33 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: its not hard to 'not pay' something :P | 11:33 |
| apokryphos | haven't they tracked you down with their sniffer dogs etc yet? | 11:33 |
| ThxGiving | does anyone know how to install kdm without the dependend package "kubuntu-default-settings" | 11:34 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: technically, i could have gotten the debt thrown out too - and potentially have hsbc prosecuted for a felony :P | 11:34 |
| ThxGiving | *g | 11:34 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: why don't you want it? | 11:34 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: they committed felony acts violating the RICO act in trying to get me to pay | 11:34 |
| apokryphos | how exactly? | 11:35 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: did you install kubuntu-desktop | 11:35 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: called me at 3am and 5am threatening me | 11:35 |
| apokryphos | I guess that's a felony act | 11:35 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: counts as threatening and harassing behaviour in attempting to settle a debt, in the US, which is a violation of anti-racketeering laws | 11:35 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: means they fall into the same class as the mafia | 11:35 |
| apokryphos | haha | 11:36 |
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| apokryphos | The world's local mafia. | 11:36 |
| ThxGiving | two things: | 11:36 |
| ThxGiving | *i dont want to let everything and anyone know im using Kubuntu --> no kubuntu-default-settings | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | i hate brandings | 11:37 |
| apokryphos | :/ | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | *i dont want install the huge metapackage kubuntu-desktop | 11:37 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: it's hardly huge | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | i dont need many of these packages | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | like klaptopdaemon | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | or.. | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | kpilot | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | or.. | 11:37 |
| ThxGiving | ; | 11:37 |
| apokryphos | install KDM and then remove the stuff you don't need, and alter your KDM theme | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | when you install kubuntu-default-settings.. | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | the kde first time wizard | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | doesnt show on first login | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | thats a problem. | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | for me | 11:38 |
| apokryphos | re-run it yourself then | 11:38 |
| ThxGiving | thanx :) | 11:39 |
| apokryphos | kpersonalizer | 11:39 |
| ThxGiving | i make my day | 11:39 |
| ThxGiving | oups | 11:39 |
| ThxGiving | u make my day | 11:39 |
| ThxGiving | lets see if these other packages do work | 11:40 |
| ThxGiving | whats so wrong about ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubunty | 11:40 |
| apokryphos | also, kubuntu-default-settings is technically not a metapackage. | 11:40 |
| ThxGiving | but kubuntu-desktop | 11:40 |
| apokryphos | yes, that is. | 11:41 |
| apokryphos | Nothing is wrong with taht link, I presume. Other than the mispelling of Kubuntu :P | 11:41 |
| ThxGiving | lol | 11:41 |
| apokryphos | if you don't wanna install kde by kubuntu-desktop, you should use one of the other methods.... | 11:41 |
| apokryphos | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/installingKDE | 11:42 |
| ThxGiving | i do | 11:42 |
| apokryphos | either installing kde or kde-core | 11:42 |
| apokryphos | * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE | 11:42 |
| ThxGiving | im not wondering about the link... but about the content | 11:42 |
| ThxGiving | thanks apo | 11:42 |
| apokryphos | yes; I don't think there's anything wrong with it; it was one of the listed sources | 11:42 |
| ThxGiving | oky | 11:43 |
| tapanim | i can listen music but i can't change anything not even volume? something is baddly wrong? | 11:43 |
| ThxGiving | --> arts | 11:43 |
| ThxGiving | what program for music do you use? | 11:44 |
| ThxGiving | amarok? | 11:44 |
| tapanim | yes | 11:44 |
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| ThxGiving | sounds like your using the xine engine in amarok | 11:44 |
| ThxGiving | it has a bug with volume control | 11:44 |
| ThxGiving | try to switch to arts engine | 11:44 |
| tapanim | i have none engine :/ | 11:44 |
| ThxGiving | uh? | 11:44 |
| apokryphos | I always used xine; never experienced a bug with volume control | 11:44 |
| ThxGiving | i did ;) | 11:44 |
| ThxGiving | NONE? | 11:44 |
| tapanim | none...weird | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | plus xine sometimes crashes | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | well.. | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | what do you think about getting the latest.. | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | subversion | 11:45 |
| tapanim | how? | 11:45 |
| apokryphos | better to just compile 1.3 | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | i got a script | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | u need to have.. | 11:45 |
| apokryphos | though there is a .deb on the forum | 11:45 |
| ThxGiving | kdebase-dev and kdemultimedia-dev installed | 11:45 |
| apokryphos | and more | 11:46 |
| ThxGiving | no | 11:46 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 11:46 |
| ThxGiving | just that | 11:46 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: you need X includes, Qt includes -- yes. | 11:46 |
| ThxGiving | all the other things depends on these | 11:46 |
| ThxGiving | but they depend on these packages ;) | 11:46 |
| ThxGiving | do you really think you can install kdebase-dev without having qt? ^^ | 11:46 |
| apokryphos | incorrect | 11:47 |
| apokryphos | which one of those do you think pulls in the X includes? | 11:47 |
| ThxGiving | some packages that are in kdebase-dev | 11:47 |
| apokryphos | and kdebase doesn't pull in the Qt includes | 11:47 |
| ThxGiving | not kdebase-dev exactly | 11:47 |
| ThxGiving | but packages in there | 11:47 |
| apokryphos | no | 11:47 |
| ThxGiving | well anyway | 11:47 |
| tapanim | now i have those... | 11:48 |
| ThxGiving | okay ;) | 11:48 |
| ThxGiving | ill send you my script | 11:48 |
| apokryphos | tapanim: there's a .deb for 1.3 on the forum -- you're better off trying that | 11:48 |
| ThxGiving | which language do you need? | 11:48 |
| apokryphos | !amarok1.3 | 11:48 |
| ubotu | from memory, amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54 | 11:48 |
| tapanim | english | 11:49 |
| apokryphos | and the svn script is from the Wiki | 11:49 |
| ThxGiving | there are some modifications | 11:49 |
| ThxGiving | f.e. taking admin not from trunk | 11:49 |
| ThxGiving | because of its qt4 dependencies | 11:49 |
| ThxGiving | etc | 11:49 |
| apokryphos | they haven't changed that yet? | 11:49 |
| apokryphos | odd | 11:49 |
| tapanim | my amarok is 1.2.3 using kde 3.4.2 | 11:50 |
| apokryphos | so? | 11:50 |
| ThxGiving | do you want to have mysql support? | 11:50 |
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| tapanim | yes | 11:51 |
| ThxGiving | ok | 11:51 |
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| ThxGiving | trying to send via dcc. | 11:52 |
| ThxGiving | i could try mail :> | 11:52 |
| amu | d | 11:52 |
| tapanim | try now | 11:52 |
| tapanim | thank you | 11:53 |
| ThxGiving | u need to have libmysqlclient14-dev | 11:53 |
| ThxGiving | additionally | 11:53 |
| ThxGiving | the arts engine for amarok will build when you have kdemultimedia-dev installed | 11:53 |
| tapanim | ok | 11:53 |
| ThxGiving | ah.. i forgot something ^^ | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/files/src/taglib-1.4.tar.gz | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | u need to have the latest taglib | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | get this tarball | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | extract it (in /usr/src f.e.) | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | do ./configure --prefix=/usr | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | make | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | make install | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 11:54 |
| ThxGiving | copy get-amarok.sh to /usr/src | 11:55 |
| ThxGiving | and then run it | 11:55 |
| ThxGiving | and apt-get install subversion ;) | 11:55 |
| ThxGiving | the script uses subversion to fetch the sources | 11:55 |
| ThxGiving | if you have any problems/questions just ask me | 11:56 |
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| ThxGiving | i think because.. every 20 minutes there is a new version of amarok | 11:57 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: and svn is often broken, and 1.3 was *just* released | 11:58 |
| ThxGiving | and with this script you can always update your installation | 11:58 |
| apokryphos | a bugfix will come, but there won't be another real upgrade for _quite_ some time | 11:58 |
| ThxGiving | svn is not often broken | 11:58 |
| ThxGiving | 1.3 rocks | 11:58 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 11:58 |
| apokryphos | Yes, it is. I use it all the time. | 11:58 |
| ThxGiving | i use it all the time too | 11:58 |
| apokryphos | until a stable comes | 11:58 |
| ThxGiving | :P | 11:58 |
| apokryphos | [K] ubuntu would be speedier with getting the packs out, but there's a *lot* of preparation going into breezy ;-) | 11:59 |
| apokryphos | 3.5 debs are being built, too :-O | 12:00 |
| ThxGiving | :) | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | there wont be much changes | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | just bugfixes | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | the dev say | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | i spoke to some | 12:01 |
| apokryphos | in 3.5? Quite the contrary. | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | mainly bugfixes | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 12:01 |
| apokryphos | Who told you that? It's not true, I use it. | 12:01 |
| ThxGiving | really? | 12:02 |
| ThxGiving | what is it like? | 12:02 |
| apokryphos | check the features changes on the site | 12:02 |
| apokryphos | decent, but not drastic changes like kde4 will see | 12:02 |
| apokryphos | bugfixes are 3.4.X versions | 12:02 |
| tapanim | where i find get-amarok.sh? | 12:03 |
| ThxGiving | well the guy who does kopete said that | 12:03 |
| apokryphos | I also don't see "This month in svn" mentioning bugfixes :P | 12:03 |
| ThxGiving | in your dcc recv folder? | 12:03 |
| ThxGiving | hes using irssi | 12:03 |
| ThxGiving | were might that be? | 12:03 |
| ThxGiving | +h | 12:03 |
| apokryphos | find ~ | grep get-amarok.sh | 12:04 |
| tapanim | i find it... | 12:04 |
| ThxGiving | thx ;) | 12:04 |
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| nikkia | hmmm | 12:10 |
| nikkia | are SATA150 drives backwards compatible with original SATA ? | 12:11 |
| nikkia | i'm just puzzled as to why maxtor offers SATA150 and SATA versions of their *10 series | 12:11 |
| buz | SATA150 is SATA1 | 12:11 |
| buz | SATA2 is 300mbyte | 12:12 |
| nikkia | buz, so why do maxtor have SATA and SATA150 versions ? | 12:13 |
| thoreauputic | can someone type my nick please? | 12:13 |
| nikkia | buz, could the difference be the power connector (molex on 'sata' and 11pin on 'sata150' ? | 12:13 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic no | 12:13 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: awww - cruelty! | 12:13 |
| thoreauputic | :D | 12:13 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: do you wear black leather boots and carry a whip too ? *g* | 12:14 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: yes | 12:15 |
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| thoreauputic | ;) | 12:15 |
| pointwood | O_o | 12:15 |
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| apokryphos | wow, adept (previously "Kapture") is being developed! http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html Great stuff. | 12:17 |
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| apokryphos | and there's a bounty on it from Kubuntu :D | 12:18 |
| berkes | hey there. I wonder how long it normally takes before an app like amarok gets updated. | 12:18 |
| apokryphos | berkes: normally: a lot quicker than it's taken now; there's just a lot of hype/work for breezy, so devs are busy ;-) | 12:18 |
| berkes | ah :) | 12:19 |
| apokryphos | there is a .deb, however, on the forum; if you want it, LMK. | 12:19 |
| berkes | so another thing, I want to install kplayer (or even dvd::rip) | 12:19 |
| berkes | but both require a load of unmet packages. | 12:19 |
| apokryphos | you should be able to get them from apt (the unmet dependencies) | 12:20 |
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| berkes | well, apt-get just gives errors; | 12:20 |
| berkes | packages that cannot be met. | 12:20 |
| berkes | sorry, dependencies that cannot be met. | 12:21 |
| apokryphos | it doesn't help if we don't know them :P | 12:21 |
| berkes | libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) maar 0.5.2-3 zal genstalleerd worden | 12:21 |
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| berkes | meaning libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) but 0.5.2-3 will be installed | 12:22 |
| apokryphos | a *higher* version is to be installed? | 12:23 |
| berkes | yea. odd. :) | 12:23 |
| apokryphos | try sudo apt-get install --reinstall libidn11 | 12:24 |
| berkes | doing that now. | 12:24 |
| berkes | I treid to apt-get remove that libidn ,but nearly every package depends on it. So I decided to just leave it :p | 12:25 |
| apokryphos | yeah, it's a key pack | 12:25 |
| berkes | nope. still no luck. same unmet depency. | 12:26 |
| berkes | I will retry it with only the defailt sources. | 12:26 |
| apokryphos | what others do you have? :/ | 12:26 |
| ThxGiving | um | 12:27 |
| ThxGiving | ppl | 12:27 |
| ThxGiving | what if someone cant execute a shellscript | 12:27 |
| ThxGiving | whats missing ^^ | 12:27 |
| apokryphos | build-essential? | 12:27 |
| ThxGiving | "bad interpreter: No such file or directory" | 12:27 |
| ThxGiving | for a shellscript? | 12:28 |
| ThxGiving | echo and so on? | 12:28 |
| berkes | http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ http://members.westnet.com.au/takahe/debian/testing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 12:28 |
| apokryphos | berkes: you shouldn't be using marillat | 12:28 |
| ThxGiving | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343807 | 12:28 |
| ThxGiving | o.O ;) | 12:28 |
| berkes | okay. | 12:28 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: check there isn't a ^M at the end of the line | 12:28 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: that's what you get when there's no path to bash or something? | 12:29 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: that gives 'bad interpreter' every time | 12:29 |
| ThxGiving | oh right | 12:29 |
| ThxGiving | i edited the file in windows | 12:29 |
| apokryphos | berkes: and all other debian repos, too | 12:29 |
| berkes | kplayer is not found without marilat :( | 12:29 |
| apokryphos | ubotu: tell berkes about sources | 12:29 |
| nikkia | your editor can hide the ^M, so you think it looks 'right' but then the linux command loader thing that handles finding intpreters falls over | 12:29 |
| apokryphos | berkes: you'll have to compile or find a deb for [K] ubuntu | 12:30 |
| nikkia | tbh, auto line-end detection in editors is as much a curse as a blessing | 12:30 |
| berkes | okay | 12:30 |
| berkes | apokryphos: do you actually know mplayer/kplayer? | 12:30 |
| apokryphos | mplayer is not kplayer, but yes | 12:30 |
| berkes | they depend on like fifteen packages :) | 12:30 |
| apokryphos | (but based on, yes) | 12:30 |
| berkes | kplayer is just a wrapper around mplayer | 12:31 |
| apokryphos | yes | 12:31 |
| nikkia | berkes, yes, and the marillat ones *do not work* on kubuntu, anymore | 12:31 |
| nikkia | they did once, they don't now | 12:31 |
| apokryphos | berkes: You can get mplayer from the repos though | 12:31 |
| berkes | okay :) | 12:31 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: might need backports for all of the build options, tho | 12:31 |
| ThxGiving | thanks nikkia | 12:31 |
| apokryphos | there's an install guide for mplayer on the wiki... there was an ubotu factoid for it, but someone !forgot it :/ | 12:31 |
| ThxGiving | it think thats the prob | 12:31 |
| nikkia | istr that the ones in universe/multiverse/wherever, are lacking some options | 12:32 |
| apokryphos | what kind of options? I'm not sure. I just use xine + w32codecs and everything works fine | 12:32 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i'm thinking dvdcss | 12:32 |
| nikkia | can't remember now, it was a while ago i tried | 12:32 |
| apokryphos | ah, could be. | 12:33 |
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| berkes | apokryphos: thanks a lot for the info. I think this will help me forward a lot. | 12:35 |
| apokryphos | excellent =) | 12:35 |
| berkes | someone in here told me to use marilat, but that was months ago. | 12:35 |
| berkes | but its good to know that there are better alternatives | 12:36 |
| apokryphos | yeah, it used to be ok/kind-of-recommended, but it causes problems now | 12:36 |
| nikkia | hmmm, disk prices seem to be in an unward spiral again :/ | 12:36 |
| nikkia | unward=upward | 12:36 |
| ThxGiving | bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 12:36 |
| ThxGiving | :-S | 12:36 |
| ThxGiving | its a simple shellscript | 12:36 |
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| nikkia | ThxGiving: can you do something for me... | 12:37 |
| apokryphos | check that it's in the appropriate place (the .sh ) | 12:37 |
| ThxGiving | hum? | 12:37 |
| ThxGiving | whats an appropriate place for .sh? | 12:37 |
| ThxGiving | sure nikkia.. | 12:37 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: never mind, i've changed my mind about whether it'd be usable output or not :) | 12:38 |
| ThxGiving | hehe | 12:39 |
| ThxGiving | ive told him to change #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh | 12:39 |
| ThxGiving | and it works now | 12:39 |
| nikkia | ah, yes | 12:39 |
| nikkia | its /usr/bin/bash :) | 12:39 |
| ThxGiving | lol | 12:40 |
| ThxGiving | kubuntu special? | 12:40 |
| ThxGiving | oor.. | 12:40 |
| nikkia | no, thats where bash usually is | 12:40 |
| ThxGiving | but /bin/bash does exists on my machine ^^ | 12:40 |
| ThxGiving | -s | 12:41 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: I thought /bin/bash was the standard path for bash? It is here... | 12:41 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: i don't think so, but i could be wrong | 12:41 |
| ThxGiving | its like | 12:42 |
| thoreauputic | output of `which bash` | 12:42 |
| nikkia | i still think it was ^M stuff tho :P | 12:42 |
| thoreauputic | /bin/bash | 12:42 |
| ThxGiving | "/bin/false" | 12:42 |
| ThxGiving | bin bash | 12:42 |
| ThxGiving | sure | 12:42 |
| nikkia | by editing it, you probably stripped out the ^Ms in the write | 12:42 |
| nikkia | you can actually easily tell the ^M case | 12:43 |
| nikkia | because it messes up the output of the 'bad interpreter:' line | 12:43 |
| berkes | http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/dists/hoary-extras/ is giving me a lot of 404s. is that just me? | 12:43 |
| apokryphos | that's a busted mirror; you should use the miramax (or whatever) one | 12:44 |
| apokryphos | !hoary-extras | 12:44 |
| ubotu | hoary-extras is, like, totally, see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted | 12:44 |
| apokryphos | ah, mirrormax | 12:44 |
| berkes | okay. thanks. uboto listed the planetmirror ones | 12:44 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: if the issue is ^M, you get : bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 12:46 |
| berkes | I modified http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1544 and added mirromax | 12:46 |
| berkes | replaced planetmiiri with miromax to be precice | 12:47 |
| nikkia | whereas if its a genuine bad intepreter... it should name the interpreter, eg: | 12:47 |
| nikkia | bash: ./unix_test.sh: bin/bashr: bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 12:47 |
| apokryphos | berkes: good going | 12:47 |
| ThxGiving | you are right | 12:47 |
| ThxGiving | i think that was the issue | 12:48 |
| nikkia | you can also see the stray ^M by doing head -1 file.sh | hexdump -c | 12:48 |
| ThxGiving | wow | 12:48 |
| nikkia | if its dos encoding, there'll be a \r before the \n | 12:49 |
| ThxGiving | are you asl x/f/x ? | 12:49 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: why? | 12:49 |
| ThxGiving | just yur name | 12:49 |
| Thardas | Umm... On other distros KDE has asked right after the installation if it should mimic Windows with mouse clicking etc. Where is this dialog in Kubuntu? As a long time Windows user its way is the most familiar. | 12:49 |
| nikkia | Thardas: kpersonalizer | 12:50 |
| nikkia | Thardas: it isn't run on kubuntu, because a .kde directory is created in your home directory by the installer, but you can run that program at any time to change the settings | 12:50 |
| Thardas | Thanks. | 12:51 |
| ThxGiving | # | 12:51 |
| ThxGiving | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unsermake/amfile.py", line 1391, in read_deps | 12:51 |
| ThxGiving | # | 12:51 |
| ThxGiving | depdir_value = utilities.subst_vars["DEPDIR"] | 12:51 |
| ThxGiving | ouch | 12:51 |
| mornfall | hello folks | 12:53 |
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| apokryphos | mornfall: hi! Adept is good :). Writing an email now with a bit of personal feedback :) | 12:55 |
| === nikkia lols at her weekly project report from the project manager... | ||
| nikkia | 'test plan MUST be submitted before 15/08/2005' | 12:55 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: check the web, too :) | 12:55 |
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| apokryphos | hehe | 12:56 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: the site? Yup. Got the repo for it from there | 12:56 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: yeah, i just updated it with known issues | 12:56 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: you may save some typing that way :-)) | 12:56 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: you referring to the Feature Checklist etc? Yeah; noticed some of my thoughts were covered there :) | 12:57 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: yes, and the known bugs and wishes | 12:58 |
| apokryphos | Looks really promising; will be finally nice to have something to replace the undeveloped embryonic kynaptic 8) | 12:58 |
| apokryphos | known bugs/wish -- right, yup. It's hard to miss. ;-) | 12:59 |
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| mornfall | that's the idea :) | 01:00 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: why the change of name? | 01:00 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: which one? :-) | 01:01 |
| apokryphos | kapture -> adept | 01:01 |
| nikkia | personally, i think kapture was a bad name anyway, suggests something 'different', despite the 'apt' in there :) | 01:01 |
| apokryphos | if it's going to be used for RPMs hopefully in the future too, though, then an apt name would be problematic anyhow | 01:02 |
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| apokryphos | heh | 01:02 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: i don't see apt problematic... it will probably never work without apt (apt-rpm or not) anyway | 01:03 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: well, someone wanted to have libapt-front support poldek as a backend | 01:04 |
| apokryphos | oh :/ | 01:04 |
| mornfall | oh what? | 01:04 |
| mornfall | i don't see the problem? | 01:04 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: sorry, didn't mean there's a problem. Just "oh" in repsonse to first comment there | 01:04 |
| mornfall | if you wanted it to work with yum or smart, you are out of luck | 01:04 |
| apokryphos | I don't ;-), and I don't really care if it supports RPMs etc | 01:05 |
| mornfall | :-) | 01:05 |
| mornfall | apt-rpm comes to mind (and arklinux folk seems to want the support in) | 01:05 |
| mornfall | but yum is plain fucked | 01:05 |
| mornfall | so no thanks :) | 01:05 |
| apokryphos | I never used it even when on Fedora | 01:06 |
| === nikkia has bad memories of yum (on yellowdog) | ||
| apokryphos | tried it a few times and just recall running back to apt | 01:06 |
| mornfall | heh | 01:06 |
| mornfall | i'm a fedora developer | 01:06 |
| mornfall | i never use yum | 01:06 |
| mornfall | :-) | 01:06 |
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| === apokryphos *completely* forgot that apt doesn't necessarily imply .deb | ||
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| nikkia | if yum was bad on its native distro, i hate to imagine it on other distros :) | 01:06 |
| apokryphos | debian brainwashing 8) | 01:06 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: is adept hoped to be in breezy then/ | 01:07 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: it shall be there yes | 01:07 |
| apokryphos | nice | 01:07 |
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| ThxGiving | hi | 01:08 |
| ThxGiving | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343831 | 01:08 |
| ThxGiving | what the hell is on there.. | 01:08 |
| === nikkia prods at k3b | ||
| nikkia | hmmm, 8MB/s again, despite choosing 8x | 01:10 |
| ThxGiving | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839 | 01:14 |
| ThxGiving | omg his.. machine is really mysterious | 01:15 |
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| ThxGiving | its safe | 01:16 |
| ThxGiving | i cliked on it too | 01:16 |
| ThxGiving | and im on WINDOZE | 01:16 |
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| dixi | !znh | 01:17 |
| ubotu | methinks znh is from now known as dixi | 01:17 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: hmm, still writing? :) | 01:18 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: still playing around =) | 01:19 |
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| mornfall | :-) | 01:19 |
| amministratore | is there kiosk in kubuntu? | 01:19 |
| dixi | apokryphos: hey you still alive:D? | 01:19 |
| apokryphos | trying to remember what I like from kpackage etc | 01:19 |
| mornfall | cool, i need input like that :) | 01:19 |
| apokryphos | dixi: despite being up so early, I hope so, yes :D | 01:19 |
| amministratore | with apt-cache I've found nothing, even with universe repository... someone? | 01:20 |
| dixi | apokryphos: xD | 01:20 |
| ThxGiving | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839 | 01:21 |
| ThxGiving | any ideas? | 01:21 |
| dixi | openning MS internet explorer :P | 01:22 |
| dixi | j/k ofc | 01:22 |
| dixi | ThxGiving: 404! | 01:23 |
| ThxGiving | noo | 01:24 |
| ThxGiving | please help ;) | 01:24 |
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| buz | why | 01:25 |
| buz | k3b works like a champ | 01:26 |
| nikkia | buz, UDF support | 01:26 |
| buz | never used that | 01:26 |
| nikkia | i'm seeing a few movie DVDs that won't burn as iso | 01:26 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: ok, sent a few. =) | 01:26 |
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| apokryphos | nikkia: you have the ISOs and you're trying to burn them? | 01:27 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i have the filesystem contents | 01:27 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: ie, AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS | 01:28 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: but they were UDF originally, k3b insists on using ISO for everything | 01:28 |
| apokryphos | :S | 01:28 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: once burnt, the filesystem is readable, but nothing can play the video | 01:28 |
| nikkia | i'm guessing something in one of the .VOB fails when it is burnt as ISO | 01:29 |
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| apokryphos | I wonder why font sizes/style change when using kdesu. What settings would it use exactly? :/ | 01:30 |
| apokryphos | (kdesu on kubuntu, that is) | 01:31 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: thanks | 01:31 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: are you using fonts in your user font dir ? | 01:31 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: any chance you could get a better idea how to reproduce that bug? | 01:31 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: nope; bitstream vera sans; come by default. | 01:31 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: I'll retry again now | 01:32 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: dunno then | 01:32 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: also, there needs to be some better type of notification for after you select a package to be installed (after you've hit "Show Details") | 01:33 |
| apokryphos | change of colour perhaps. Dunno. :/ | 01:33 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: dude, that install button doesn't work... at all | 01:33 |
| mornfall | and, that brings me to another known bug | 01:34 |
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| apokryphos | heh, oh, I see -- so it doesn't. | 01:34 |
| apokryphos | yup | 01:34 |
| mornfall | the expanded thingy does not update | 01:34 |
| mornfall | automatically | 01:34 |
| apokryphos | ah, explains the "Advanced" etc not working too | 01:35 |
| === apokryphos is finding it hard to reproduce the bug | ||
| apokryphos | Immutable :D | 01:36 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: yeah, the button is a bit fucked up i know :D | 01:37 |
| amministratore | someone has kiosk within kubuntu? | 01:37 |
| apokryphos | Another wish: when you select multiple amount of packages and show details -> all expand | 01:37 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: i actually went out of my way to do it the other way... (lest someone hits select all -> expand, oooooops) | 01:38 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: but i can do that (easy) | 01:38 |
| zzzzzsolt | hey | 01:38 |
| apokryphos | collapse-all would come in handy. | 01:38 |
| apokryphos | Yeah. Cool. | 01:38 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: the problem isn't that... the problem is resizing the 25 thousand list items and then creating 25 thousand widgets :( | 01:39 |
| mornfall | it will probably take a minute or two :P | 01:39 |
| apokryphos | Heh, and getting all the description etc info. Yeouch. | 01:39 |
| mornfall | i could artificially limit it to have say 50 packages expanded at once | 01:39 |
| apokryphos | yeah, good idea. | 01:39 |
| mornfall | but, what to do when user wants to open 51st package | 01:40 |
| mornfall | i can't close anything since it'd move things under mouse which is a nogo | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | KCrash! | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | that's true | 01:41 |
| mornfall | heh | 01:41 |
| mornfall | moving things under mouse is the most evil thing you can do | 01:41 |
| === apokryphos is glad to not have to make important developer decisions like this :P | ||
| mornfall | that's why i hate the up-down sidebars | 01:41 |
| ThxGiving | Need to get 0B/2547B of archives. | 01:41 |
| ThxGiving | <tapanim> After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used. | 01:41 |
| zzzzzsolt | what do you think is wrong with this line from fstab? /dev/hda8 /mnt/shared ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=100 0 2 | 01:41 |
| ThxGiving | this is not normal? | 01:41 |
| apokryphos | I'm still contemplating whether I think displaying details etc. inline is a superior method. | 01:42 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: contemplate as much as you wish, it is not going away :-) | 01:42 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: popups are a no-go, too | 01:42 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: so, what are the options left? | 01:42 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: I'm not sure which is better (really) | 01:42 |
| zzzzzsolt | the partition exists, it's the one i wanted, the mount point exists, but it keeps complaining the moment i add uid or guid or umask | 01:42 |
| apokryphos | but at the moment I probably prefer having a smaller bifurcation | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | KPackage style. :-O | 01:43 |
| mornfall | wha? | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | That's probably one of the things they got right, IMO. | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: just the way KPackage handles it, basically. A split. | 01:44 |
| zzzzzsolt | ThxGiving it's normal, that means the package is already there, it only has to be unpacked | 01:44 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: oh, no, thanks | 01:44 |
| ThxGiving | but after apt-get clean?! | 01:44 |
| ThxGiving | apo.. | 01:44 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: no worries ;-) | 01:44 |
| ThxGiving | tapanims build environment is total messed up! | 01:44 |
| ThxGiving | +ly | 01:45 |
| apokryphos | hehe :) | 01:45 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: but he only needs to packages :P | 01:45 |
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| ThxGiving | no | 01:45 |
| ThxGiving | never seen these errors before | 01:45 |
| ThxGiving | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343831 | 01:45 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: whatever the error is, have you Googled? | 01:45 |
| ThxGiving | something is with his unsermake | 01:45 |
| ThxGiving | sure! | 01:45 |
| ThxGiving | plus.. He got not /bin/Bash! | 01:46 |
| ThxGiving | um bash | 01:46 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: i will do a (horizontal) split, but the splitted area will be for filters | 01:46 |
| ThxGiving | he cant do apt-get install | 01:46 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: that's standard in Ubuntu | 01:46 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: oh wait, uppercase B? | 01:46 |
| ThxGiving | no lowercase | 01:46 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: other options for filters? | 01:46 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: btw, dunnow if you found out, but you can get items open/collapse with a single click, on the arrow | 01:46 |
| ThxGiving | and see this: | 01:47 |
| ThxGiving | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839 | 01:47 |
| apokryphos | Yup, first thing I tried. Convenient. | 01:47 |
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| ThxGiving | what do you think is up with him? | 01:48 |
| mornfall | (and if you have a big screen, you can easily open up few packages and compare -- this will be handy when debtags filters hit it) | 01:48 |
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| apokryphos | Indeed. That's a certain advantage of this method | 01:48 |
| mornfall | without clicking back-and-forth to change what's viewed in the fixed-size area for details | 01:48 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: re: horizontal split... filters? Advanced features for the filter search? | 01:49 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: there will be a list of active filters, the filter bar at top will go away and the left pane will be freed up for a palette of available filters | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: is he on hoary, for sure? | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | oh | 01:51 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: the filter list will show summary of the filters and be expandable like packages, where you can change the filter settings | 01:51 |
| ThxGiving | hum.. maybe^^ | 01:51 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: cat /etc/issue | 01:51 |
| zzzzzsolt | so what's wrong with this fstab line? /dev/hda8 /mnt/shared ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=100 0 2 | 01:51 |
| ThxGiving | thanks apo | 01:51 |
| zzzzzsolt | won't let me mount it | 01:51 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: is that a quiz? | 01:51 |
| zzzzzsolt | no it's a noob's last hope :)) | 01:52 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: i suggest you give us the error message :) | 01:52 |
| zzzzzsolt | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.... etc | 01:52 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: and you are sure /dev/hda8 has an ext2 fs on it, right | 01:53 |
| zzzzzsolt | it works until i add uid guid or umask to it | 01:53 |
| zzzzzsolt | yep and it1s the right one too | 01:53 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: dang, "bad option" | 01:53 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: it's there :) | 01:53 |
| zzzzzsolt | yea, but why? | 01:53 |
| zzzzzsolt | uid is a good option? isn't it? | 01:53 |
| zzzzzsolt | uid=1000, which is me, guid=100 which is users | 01:54 |
| zzzzzsolt | which i am in too | 01:54 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: that's pretty, but there is no uid nor guid option to ext2, is there? | 01:54 |
| zzzzzsolt | gid i mean | 01:54 |
| zzzzzsolt | i don't know, that's why i'm asking | 01:54 |
| apokryphos | zzzzzsolt: you have gid= not guid= | 01:54 |
| mornfall | but there are no such options for ext2 dudes | 01:55 |
| zzzzzsolt | yea guid was a typo. ok so there is no such options for ext2 which seems logical. how do i let users write to that partition then? umask won't go either | 01:55 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: mount it without those and do chown -R on it if that's what you want | 01:56 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: I can't reproduce that bug; I'll have to keep using it and let you know if I find a method | 01:56 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: man chown, man chmod | 01:56 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: ok, thanks | 01:56 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: (you are the only one to have it seen... well, besides me in development, but i fixed most (obviously not all) of those) | 01:57 |
| zzzzzsolt | i chown'ed the mount point already. so if i recusrively chown everything below the problem will go away? | 01:57 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: depends on what is the problem .) | 01:57 |
| zzzzzsolt | thanks i'll give it a try | 01:58 |
| mornfall | zzzzzsolt: but mountpoint owner doesn't matter anyway, it's overriden with the mounted fs root owner | 01:58 |
| zzzzzsolt | yea, i experienced that. i'll chown it while mounted | 01:58 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: would be good to have an option that asks you to go into "Administrator Mode" (or similar) if you want to Commit changes etc | 02:00 |
| apokryphos | (so you don't have to restart with kdesu again) | 02:00 |
| morrow | anyone tried to use the breezy kernel in hoary? I'm lazy compiling the ipw2200 drivers myself and thought i could use the new breezy kernel :) | 02:01 |
| apokryphos | morrow: there's a howto on the forum I think somewhere. You could just ugprade to breezy... it's fairly stable now. | 02:01 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: there is a problem with that | 02:03 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: if you change something with adept and someone steps onto the apt db in the meantime and then you lock for commit, you are pretty fucked | 02:03 |
| zzzzzsolt | mornfall thanks, everything's fine now | 02:03 |
| morrow | apokryphos: hmm ok thanks... (will search my backup first. :)) | 02:03 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: it can be solved, but it's completely out of scope for stable-one | 02:04 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: quite a pickle I can see, yes. Similar problems with not locking while starting up altogether | 02:05 |
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| apokryphos | mornfall: I imagine if that does get solved, then there won't be a need to run it as root at all? Just have it ask for pass when you select to commit? | 02:05 |
| apokryphos | (slight advantage there since apt isn't hogged in the meantime) | 02:05 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: well, you have to lock, merge the changes and then you can commit | 02:06 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: also, that depends on mmap semantics, because it may as well be that it's not solvable with current apt at all | 02:07 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: because if the mmap is shared, any change in it will cause inconsistency in the other instance opening it | 02:07 |
| apokryphos | Thinking about it now. Sticky business. | 02:07 |
| mornfall | that means one has to implement read and write lock separately | 02:07 |
| martin- | hi all, i have an Targus PA088 USB2Serial adapter. How can i adresss the serial port in ubuntu? After pulgging in the adapter i see in dmesg: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 | 02:08 |
| mornfall | and you end up needing root for read lock again | 02:08 |
| apokryphos | yah | 02:08 |
| mornfall | well, hmm, if the mmap update is done as unlink/recreate/mmap, it could work... i will have to check with apt code | 02:08 |
| mornfall | but it still means apt needs to hold exclusive lock all the time, since it can't merge changes with others in a sane way | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: what's with the "Currently -1 installed" etc? | 02:09 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: see web :) | 02:09 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: it's not implemented, obviously ;) | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | Whoop, sorry, yeah. | 02:09 |
| mornfall | i had to release the alpha at *some* point, you know :-) | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | Of course. I can actually install packs and filter search, so it's not too bad at all 8) | 02:10 |
| mornfall | otherwise, the next week i would be still fixing known issues | 02:10 |
| martin- | anyone? | 02:10 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: they haven't given you the greatest amount of time, have they? ;-) Is it enough, or just a lot more work need to be crammed in? | 02:11 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: well, i will be humming along adding features at a pretty decent rate till beta, and i will probably make it :) | 02:12 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: bypassing feature freezes etc :P | 02:12 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: of breezy? yeah, breezy freezes can hang themselves | 02:13 |
| mornfall | i don't have time for that | 02:13 |
| mornfall | there will be feature freeze from beta on | 02:13 |
| apokryphos | right | 02:13 |
| apokryphos | Feature Freeze on August 11th. Seems really early. Perhaps it isn't. | 02:13 |
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| apokryphos | 3.5 is probably gonna be in Breezy, isn't it? No chance of there being feature freeze in time there =) | 02:14 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: i don't think 3.5 will be in breezy | 02:14 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: only as an additional kubuntu release | 02:14 |
| apokryphos | Kind of been wondering why alpha .debs for it have been built... seems like a quasi waste of time to me. :S | 02:14 |
| apokryphos | oh | 02:14 |
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| dixi | hiya | 02:15 |
| dixi | is there some special kernel for an AMD Athlon XP 2400 ? | 02:15 |
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| ztonzy | probably: 2.6.10-5-k7 | 02:15 |
| dixi | you think? | 02:15 |
| ztonzy | I got XP2800+ :) so...yes | 02:16 |
| dixi | aight :) | 02:16 |
| apokryphos | k7 one, yes. | 02:16 |
| dixi | kk.. I have an issiue here.. | 02:17 |
| dixi | my brother is too lazy to give his Geforce Ti 4200, I have currently a Radeon 9600 Pro.. would it be even good as the nvidia one? - I don't think so.. | 02:17 |
| apokryphos | On Linux you're better off with NVidia generally, yes. | 02:18 |
| dixi | blah | 02:18 |
| dixi | he doesn't give a fuck about me | 02:19 |
| ztonzy | I installed ati drivers for my brothers 9800Pro card...worked like a charm | 02:19 |
| dixi | hmm can you guide me? | 02:19 |
| ztonzy | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati | 02:20 |
| dixi | :) | 02:20 |
| apokryphos | You can of course run fine, but for extra fine-tunings Composite etc.. Nvidia is better. Also random other X things which I don't care to remember | 02:20 |
| ztonzy | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24763.html and better ones | 02:20 |
| dixi | I am going to boot on the other kernel first, brb | 02:20 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: i have reliably reproduced your bug | 02:24 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: nice; steps? | 02:24 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: resize to wide, open up 2 (or more) packages close together, resize to narrow | 02:25 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: the extenders are recomputed in wrong order, i bet | 02:25 |
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| apokryphos | mornfall: that doesn't do it for me. Also, I don't think mine involved resizing twice; don't think I did that. :S | 02:27 |
| kainos | gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled | 02:27 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: well, when you downsize with many open packages, it happens | 02:30 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: i just say resize wide to have enough place to downsize then | 02:30 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: what's weird about the screeny, now that I look at it, is that "alexandria" is in there, while I'm at Z... | 02:30 |
| mornfall | now that's really weird | 02:30 |
| mornfall | hmm | 02:30 |
| apokryphos | Heh, I can't reproduce with resizing. Nevermind. | 02:30 |
| mornfall | blah :-) | 02:31 |
| kainos | gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled | 02:31 |
| martin- | other Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? | 02:33 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: I wish I was keeping track of what I was doing originally now oO | 02:33 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: no matter, it will be found and fixed at some point, sooner or later :) | 02:35 |
| katrina | gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled | 02:35 |
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| phreakys_ | hi | 02:36 |
| phreakys_ | anyone knows if there are opengl2 drivers for linux? | 02:36 |
| nikkia | oh well, i was about to answer him too :P | 02:37 |
| nikkia | (the 7xxx series (apart from the first) nvidia drivers are opengl 2.0) | 02:38 |
| ThxGiving | hum.. | 02:39 |
| ThxGiving | does anyone know if kde 342 is available for arch amd64? | 02:39 |
| ThxGiving | with kubuntu? | 02:39 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: there are no packages or it AFAIK, yet. | 02:39 |
| ThxGiving | well | 02:39 |
| ThxGiving | what is this 64 bit hype all about | 02:40 |
| ThxGiving | its hard enought to get drivers for 32bit | 02:40 |
| ThxGiving | -t | 02:40 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: speed | 02:40 |
| ThxGiving | not really. | 02:40 |
| ThxGiving | capacity | 02:41 |
| ThxGiving | its much worse with windows x64 | 02:41 |
| ThxGiving | i got a dlink wifi card | 02:41 |
| ThxGiving | and those people are too lazy to adapt their source | 02:41 |
| apokryphos | ThxGiving: not really speed difference? o_O I beg to differ | 02:41 |
| ThxGiving | its just a little change actually | 02:41 |
| apokryphos | Yeah, sure... | 02:42 |
| ThxGiving | how much faster do you think is it? | 02:42 |
| ThxGiving | maybe the big difference is just the ability to adress much more data | 02:44 |
| ThxGiving | +d | 02:44 |
| jjesse | monring | 02:44 |
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| apokryphos | hi jjesse :) | 02:50 |
| jjesse | whats going on apokryphos | 02:50 |
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| apokryphos | jjesse: nothing too much. Awaiting for family to arrive tomorrow; been trying out Adept today (great stuff), mainly. | 02:51 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: i didn't like adept it didn't seem to work correctly for me | 02:51 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: you tried the alpha? | 02:52 |
| apokryphos | released yesterday | 02:52 |
| jjesse | mornfall was looking for people to test it in the channel yesterday | 02:52 |
| apokryphos | Yup. There's still a few bugs floating about, but it's looking promising. =) | 02:52 |
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| jjesse | it wasn't showing me a list of the packages i had installed whe i tried to filter for it, but yes it does look promising | 02:53 |
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| apokryphos | jjesse: how's documentation stuff going? Finished for now? | 02:53 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: not finished but its comming | 02:54 |
| jjesse | this past weekend didn't get anything writter as in-laws were in town and we were wokring on the house | 02:54 |
| jjesse | is adept going in breezy +1? | 02:54 |
| apokryphos | :) | 02:54 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: it's going to be in breezy, yes. | 02:54 |
| apokryphos | +1? The name of the extra? | 02:55 |
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| jjesse | +1 the first one past breezy | 02:55 |
| jjesse | in the doc group we refer to the release after breezy as breezy +1 | 02:55 |
| apokryphos | ah, ok. | 02:55 |
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| apokryphos | jjesse: it'll be into breezy, itself | 02:55 |
| jjesse | will have to change the section on installing software then | 02:56 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: there was a whole Kynaptic doc, eh? Kind of a shame :( | 02:57 |
| jjesse | not a whole doc, just a secton in the kquickguide and user guide | 02:57 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: btw a preview of the docs can be found at http://lnix.net/~froud/ | 02:57 |
| apokryphos | Oh.. there used to be one | 02:57 |
| apokryphos | Yeah, got that link. Took a preview a few days ago | 02:58 |
| jjesse | feel free to comment on changes that need to be made | 02:58 |
| jjesse | or make them yourself :) | 02:58 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: unfortunately have many busy days planned (sister's wedding, Barcelona, Uni). :( | 02:59 |
| apokryphos | and I'd hate to commit and not do anything :Z | 03:00 |
| jjesse | grin understand, just trying to get things done in time for freeze :) | 03:00 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: most pressing issues? | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | hey all. Firewall question: i'm running samba, but otherwise no server-related tasks. I did some port scans, and they all came back that the ports were in stealth mode. The question now: is there any reason why I should be using a firewall, if all the ports are hidden anyway? | 03:01 |
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| dixi | hmz! | 03:03 |
| dixi | my sources.list is broken | 03:04 |
| dixi | anyone got a working one? | 03:04 |
| apokryphos | !sources | 03:04 |
| ubotu | sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 | 03:04 |
| dixi | is it known that security.ubuntu... gives some errors? | 03:06 |
| dixi | ARGH | 03:06 |
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| dixi | I still can't install nvidia-glx | 03:06 |
| dixi | what is this shit | 03:06 |
| dixi | someone...? | 03:06 |
| dixi | hello! | 03:07 |
| dixi | ... | 03:07 |
| Originoo | dixi: why u can't install them? | 03:07 |
| dixi | Originoo: it says it's refered to another package | 03:07 |
| dixi | Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate | 03:08 |
| dixi | and my sources.list is still broken (I have that one from !sources) | 03:08 |
| dixi | apokryphos: that one is shit dude | 03:08 |
| apokryphos | dixi: what one? | 03:08 |
| dixi | from !sources | 03:09 |
| dixi | it gives me a shit load of errors | 03:09 |
| Originoo | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1807830#post1807830 | 03:09 |
| apokryphos | dixi: apt-get update gives errors? | 03:09 |
| dixi | yep | 03:09 |
| apokryphos | dixi: can you pastebin them? | 03:09 |
| apokryphos | (you have to setup gpg stuff first, btw) | 03:09 |
| apokryphos | !gpg | 03:09 |
| ubotu | it has been said that gpg is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add | 03:09 |
| dixi | no I don't have any graphical thingy here because I can't install nvidia | 03:09 |
| dixi | yay it does something now | 03:10 |
| dixi | anyways does nvidia drivers work on 2.6.10-k7 ? | 03:10 |
| apokryphos | yes | 03:10 |
| dixi | then it should work for me.. | 03:10 |
| dixi | apokryphos: liar | 03:12 |
| dixi | Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module | 03:12 |
| apokryphos | dixi: Yeah, sure, I'm liar. I was running the exact thing on Hoary... geez. | 03:13 |
| apokryphos | I'm hardly a liar if you can't get things setup correctly | 03:13 |
| dixi | dude | 03:13 |
| dixi | I've done this many times, and now it suddenly doesn't work anymore | 03:13 |
| dixi | so it has to be something in ubuntu | 03:13 |
| dixi | I just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable.. startx doesn't work! | 03:14 |
| apokryphos | err, maybe you have to reconfigure your X? | 03:14 |
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| dixi | that should nvidia-glx-config do | 03:15 |
| tenco | hi | 03:15 |
| dixi | and I have as driver 'nvidia' | 03:15 |
| tenco | anyone used adept already? | 03:15 |
| apokryphos | dixi: no | 03:15 |
| tenco | is it usable? | 03:15 |
| dixi | apokryphos: then what should it be? | 03:15 |
| apokryphos | dixi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 03:15 |
| apokryphos | tenco: Yes. It's still in Alpha-stage, but it is usable, yes. | 03:15 |
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| apokryphos | tenco: worth trying out. You testing it would be appreciated. ;-) | 03:16 |
| tenco | apokryphos: if its better than kynaptic. kynaptic has no support for the dpkg dialogues and hangs forever when dpkg issues a dialogue | 03:16 |
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| apokryphos | tenco: and kynaptic is not getting developed :P | 03:17 |
| dixi | apokryphos: module nvidia not found? | 03:17 |
| tenco | apokryphos: o_O | 03:17 |
| tenco | apokryphos: if adept handles dpkg dialogues correctly, i will test it | 03:17 |
| apokryphos | dixi: are you definitely running an nvidia card there? | 03:18 |
| apokryphos | tenco: what dialogues, sorry? | 03:18 |
| dixi | apokryphos: yeah.. a 6600GT | 03:18 |
| tenco | apokryphos: when the dpkg framework issues questions, that dialogues | 03:18 |
| mornfall | tenco: yes, adept handles dpkg prompts | 03:18 |
| apokryphos | dixi: I don't know then; ask in #ubuntu -- it's better for non-kde-related issues. | 03:19 |
| tenco | ah, ok | 03:19 |
| mornfall | tenco: it also sets debconf frontend to kde -- apt-get install libqt-perl | 03:19 |
| mornfall | tenco: if you install that, the prompts will be graphical when possible | 03:19 |
| tenco | then, why is kynaptic included in kubuntu by default? i think it does more harm to the user _and_ to the project than good | 03:19 |
| tenco | mornfall: ok, thanks | 03:19 |
| apokryphos | tenco: I probably agree. It's changing in Breezy | 03:19 |
| tenco | apokryphos: would be good :) | 03:20 |
| mornfall | well, adept is not in hoary, well, because it hit alpha yesterday :-) | 03:20 |
| tenco | but there are hoary packages, or? | 03:20 |
| apokryphos | tenco: Yes. See /topic | 03:21 |
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| tenco | ah, sorry :) | 03:22 |
| tenco | how do i add this deb src in synaptic? | 03:26 |
| tenco | address: http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/ | 03:26 |
| tenco | distribution: hoary | 03:26 |
| tenco | Section: ./ | 03:27 |
| tenco | but this does not work ?-( | 03:27 |
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| mornfall | tenco: dunnow, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list | 03:27 |
| tenco | http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/dists/hoary/.//binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found | 03:27 |
| mornfall | tenco: yeah, synaptic is borked | 03:27 |
| mornfall | tenco: either that, or just leave the section empty | 03:28 |
| mornfall | and use ./ as dist? | 03:28 |
| tenco | it works for me with other pkg sourcesa | 03:28 |
| mornfall | this is not a dak archive | 03:28 |
| mornfall | it works with apt, further, i don't care :-p | 03:28 |
| tenco | whats dak? | 03:28 |
| mornfall | debian archive maintenance software | 03:28 |
| mornfall | (familiarly known as katie) | 03:29 |
| tenco | ah, now it works | 03:29 |
| tenco | address: http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/hoary | 03:30 |
| tenco | distribution: (empty) | 03:30 |
| tenco | Section: ./ | 03:30 |
| mornfall | whatever :) | 03:30 |
| tenco | uhm, no. | 03:31 |
| mornfall | oh, wait | 03:31 |
| mornfall | it may remove synaptic :P | 03:32 |
| mornfall | not sure tho | 03:32 |
| mornfall | but it wanted to remove aptitude on me on hoary (so i built new aptitude) | 03:32 |
| mornfall | but i didn't think of synaptic or kynaptic | 03:32 |
| mornfall | well, *shrug* | 03:32 |
| tenco | mornfall: remove synaptic? ok, then test for yourself | 03:34 |
| tenco | then i will not test it | 03:35 |
| mornfall | i didn't say it will | 03:35 |
| mornfall | but sure, whatever you prefer | 03:36 |
| tenco | it will | 03:38 |
| apokryphos | doesn't on breezy, at least. | 03:39 |
| tenco | i also dont know why this should be necessary | 03:39 |
| mornfall | tenco: because apt changed incompatibly and apt maintainers don't bump soname | 03:39 |
| mornfall | and adept needs new apt | 03:39 |
| mornfall | simple as that | 03:39 |
| tenco | ok | 03:40 |
| tenco | anyway, forget it. i will not rely on alpha-software to manage my packages. aptitude is far too basic | 03:41 |
| tenco | my konsole doesnt display "-" correctly in manpages | 03:44 |
| tenco | is this the fault of man? | 03:45 |
| ThxGiving | no | 03:45 |
| ThxGiving | change /etc/locale.gen | 03:45 |
| ThxGiving | to a charset that is not utf8 | 03:45 |
| ThxGiving | and execute locale-gen | 03:45 |
| ThxGiving | supported charsets under | 03:46 |
| ThxGiving | "/usr/share/i18n" | 03:46 |
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| tenco | is man the only app that does not handle utf8 correctly? | 03:47 |
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| ThxGiving | aptitude does not too | 03:47 |
| ThxGiving | modconf too | 03:47 |
| ThxGiving | menuconfig too | 03:47 |
| ThxGiving | ;) | 03:47 |
| nikkia | alsamixer too | 03:47 |
| nikkia | links doesn't, OotB, but there is a flag you can set in settings that fixes it | 03:48 |
| nikkia | actually, alsamixer *appears* to work with UTF8, but certain things cause it to seg fault when the locale is UTF8 | 03:48 |
| tenco | btw, what about zsh? heard that they're working on it. | 03:49 |
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| zzzzsolt | hey again | 03:52 |
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| ThxGiving | i now think ubuntu is better than the original debian | 03:54 |
| ThxGiving | the install cd supports wlan | 03:54 |
| ThxGiving | ^^ | 03:54 |
| ThxGiving | the init scripts are better | 03:55 |
| ThxGiving | i can make them colorfull :) | 03:55 |
| ThxGiving | transition to xorg and gcc4 is complete... | 03:55 |
| ThxGiving | well ok gcc4 maybe not | 03:55 |
| ThxGiving | i changed from debian to ubuntu because sid and testing is soo unstable right now | 03:55 |
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| Ingenu | hi, is there any taskmanager in ubuntu (so I can see what's running and how much memory it's consuming) ? | 04:03 |
| nikkia | grrrrr | 04:04 |
| === nikkia is really starting to hate artists | ||
| nikkia | Ingenu: ctrl-escape | 04:04 |
| ThxGiving | top... | 04:05 |
| ThxGiving | or ps aux | 04:05 |
| ThxGiving | in a console | 04:05 |
| ThxGiving | or.. | 04:05 |
| ThxGiving | theres a "performance monitor" from kde | 04:05 |
| Ingenu | indeed | 04:07 |
| Ingenu | thx | 04:07 |
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| Ingenu | any idea why the liveDVD doesn't want to mount my NTFS drives ? | 04:07 |
| nikkia | ThxGiving: and what exactly is wrong with the KDE Task Manager that you get with ctrl-escape ? | 04:07 |
| Ingenu | neat | 04:07 |
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| Ingenu | like in windows | 04:07 |
| Ingenu | anyway for the drive mounting and liveDVD ? | 04:07 |
| ThxGiving | nothing, i think | 04:07 |
| ThxGiving | i didnt know that too | 04:07 |
| ThxGiving | ctrl+escp | 04:07 |
| ThxGiving | nice to know | 04:07 |
| ThxGiving | thanx! | 04:07 |
| ThxGiving | well see ya all ;) | 04:08 |
| Ingenu | cya | 04:08 |
| ThxGiving | thanks for yur help & support :) | 04:08 |
| nikkia | why do artists need to be so retarded?? | 04:11 |
| nikkia | artist: 'why is the font different on the chip from the chip selector?? they should look the same!! fix it!' | 04:11 |
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| nikkia | me: 'well, maybe if you hadn't used a serif font on the font to draw on the chips, and one 2 points bigger, than the sans-serif font on the selector...' | 04:12 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: am i wrong to think that if you want fonts in two places to look the same, you use the same font family and size?? | 04:13 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: you're fixing the artist's work? :| | 04:13 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: sounds like a disease of a thought. Where did you get that from? | 04:14 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: yeah, having to ask the f'ing graphics engine to scale his fonts by different amounts on X and Y to adjust for his ineptitude | 04:14 |
| apokryphos | hehe | 04:14 |
| nikkia | it'll still be serif in one place, and sans-serif in another, mind you | 04:14 |
| nikkia | no amount of f'ing scaling is gonna change that! | 04:14 |
| apokryphos | when they're arrogant about it it's worse, too :| | 04:14 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: i've yet to meet an artist that isn't arrogant about it | 04:15 |
| Ingenu | mmmh | 04:15 |
| Ingenu | why is Kaffeine crashing with anything I throw at it ? | 04:15 |
| nikkia | 'my work is perfect, you're not displaying it right!' | 04:15 |
| Ingenu | DivX/OGM | 04:15 |
| Ingenu | using kubuntu liveDVD, accessing DVD file (another drive) | 04:15 |
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| apokryphos | nikkia: ergh | 04:16 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: to be fair, at least this artist is wiillng to understand the digital medium | 04:17 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: thoreauputic here is not an arrogant artist :P | 04:17 |
| nikkia | the last artist i worked with, wanted to send everything is flat BMP files, expecting me to recover layering and transparency | 04:18 |
| apokryphos | he must be a fake-artist | 04:18 |
| nikkia | s/is/as/ | 04:18 |
| apokryphos | Never worked with BMPs properly | 04:18 |
| apokryphos | seemed like an ugly format; might be good for you real editors | 04:19 |
| thoreauputic | apokryphos: I don't deal with 1337 computer geeks - i use real paint ;) | 04:19 |
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| nikkia | thoreauputic: i bet YOU get the concept that if you want fonts to look the same, they must be the same family and size tho :P | 04:20 |
| apokryphos | ah yes, not a real artist (or, too real an artist). :P | 04:20 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: I'm not a graphic artist: i'm a painter and sculptor :) | 04:21 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: a rather amusing story about artist incompetance... i once asked our previous artist if he could supply the image in a resolution of 1024x768 instead.... | 04:21 |
| nikkia | his 800x600 image came back next time at something like 34,000x18,000 - with a DPI of 1024x768 | 04:21 |
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| apokryphos | hahaha | 04:22 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: that'll teach you to do requests in the future :P | 04:23 |
| thoreauputic | hmmm - i admit I would have understood *that* one *grin* | 04:23 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: i could forgive the mistake, except for the fact he was working for a software company, and should know basic computing concepts :P | 04:23 |
| apokryphos | thoreauputic: you're being slowly brainwashed | 04:24 |
| apokryphos | they're inculcating to make you think like them | 04:24 |
| apokryphos | come back to the light Frodo! | 04:24 |
| thoreauputic | apokryphos: I did it all by myself, I'm afraid ;) | 04:24 |
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| apokryphos | thoreauputic: but...the one ring.... | 04:24 |
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| sproingie | well you did say *resolution* of 1024x768 and not *dimensions* ... | 04:25 |
| sproingie | sounds like malicious compliance | 04:25 |
| nikkia | sproingie: see, that was his argument, damned artists! | 04:26 |
| thoreauputic | I still don't like the gimp or photoshop - I always have an insane urge to reach into the screen and apply a brushful of oil paint ;-) | 04:26 |
| sproingie | betcha it was a mighty detailed pic | 04:26 |
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| nikkia | sproingie: yeah, the scaled up pixels were darned purty! | 04:26 |
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| thoreauputic | nikkia: bloody technoids! | 04:27 |
| sproingie | oh he just scaled it up, eh? | 04:27 |
| === thoreauputic runs | ||
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| nikkia | sproingie: as far as i could tell, he went into photoshop, changed the DPI and hit 'rescale' :P | 04:27 |
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| apokryphos | You can run, but you cannot hide # | 04:27 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: as i said, i'd forgive the mistake from a regular 'work with canvas' artist | 04:27 |
| thoreauputic | apokryphos: resistance is futile, etc etc | 04:27 |
| sproingie | malicious compliance. eh you could just rescale his art and when he complains about how it looks, it's his fault | 04:28 |
| apokryphos | thoreauputic: precisely; nail on the head. | 04:28 |
| nikkia | thoreauputic: but when you work for a software company, basic non-understanding of these issues is unforgivable, IMO | 04:28 |
| jpatrick | Does anyone know how I can make the apps on the taskbar transparent? | 04:28 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: heh - here I am on linux IRC when i should be painting... | 04:28 |
| thoreauputic | nikkia: I'm just kidding around | 04:28 |
| sproingie | jpatrick: the buttons? i think you have to wait for the next kicker version to get that | 04:28 |
| jpatrick | damn | 04:28 |
| jpatrick | I thought I saw a screenshot with the apps buttons transparent :/ | 04:29 |
| sproingie | sure that wasn't a 4.0 preview? | 04:30 |
| sproingie | i've only seen the background transparent | 04:30 |
| jpatrick | Not sure | 04:31 |
| nikkia | sproingie: there is a replacement taskbar applet that does it | 04:31 |
| nikkia | ktaskbar2 ? something like that | 04:31 |
| jpatrick | where? | 04:31 |
| nikkia | jpatrick: no idea *where*, but kde-look probably could provide insights | 04:32 |
| jpatrick | Nothing good from Google | 04:32 |
| apokryphos | taskbar v2 -- yes | 04:33 |
| apokryphos | there's an ubuntu pack, I *think* | 04:33 |
| nikkia | thats the one | 04:33 |
| jpatrick | Ah | 04:33 |
| jpatrick | there was nothing on KDE-Apps or Looks | 04:34 |
| nikkia | jpatrick, its there, i just misremembered the name | 04:34 |
| jpatrick | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=25615 | 04:34 |
| nikkia | i did imply i wasn't sure about it being called ktaskbar2 :) | 04:34 |
| jpatrick | prefect | 04:34 |
| apokryphos | 3.5 is gonna be transparent as an option | 04:35 |
| jpatrick | Will it replace the current one? | 04:35 |
| apokryphos | The new Kicker will, of course, yes. But it won't be transparent by default, no. | 04:35 |
| jpatrick | It will | 04:36 |
| === nikkia doesn't want transparent | ||
| === nikkia wants flat, tho | ||
| apokryphos | jpatrick: ? | 04:36 |
| nikkia | well, s/flat/non-buttony/ | 04:36 |
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| apokryphos | I like transparent because it doesn't look like the taskbar is such an external entity | 04:36 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: actually, someone did say it would be trans. by default, but i can't remember who | 04:36 |
| garmasthi | Hello people! | 04:37 |
| garmasthi | Is there anyone that can help? | 04:37 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i don't like transparent, but i want it to look like its part of the panel, without ugly buttony bits :) | 04:37 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: quite sure it won't be | 04:37 |
| thoreauputic | apokryphos: further evidence that I'm turning into a nerd - I actually *like* the "minimal" them in fluxbox.. *shudder* | 04:37 |
| thoreauputic | :D | 04:37 |
| garmasthi | I've got problem installing package | 04:37 |
| thoreauputic | s/them/theme | 04:37 |
| === nikkia installs taskbar v2 | ||
| nikkia | yes, the default taskbar v2 look is how i want it! | 04:38 |
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| garmasthi | please | 04:38 |
| nikkia | hmmm, not sure about the preview popups tho | 04:38 |
| tenco | which programm does OOo use for spellchecking? aspell, ispell,...? | 04:39 |
| Thardas | garmasthi: which package? | 04:39 |
| nikkia | tenco, aspell, i believe | 04:39 |
| nikkia | tenco, i remember installing aspell around the same time as OOo 2 beta | 04:39 |
| nikkia | i remember, because i messed up and dl'ed the wrong version dictionary first time around | 04:39 |
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| jpatrick | taskbar v2 = sweet | 04:40 |
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| nikkia | jpatrick, i'm not sure about the preview tooltips tho... | 04:41 |
| nikkia | jpatrick, feels a little 'slow' at times, but i might grow accustomed to it | 04:41 |
| jpatrick | previews windows | 04:41 |
| jpatrick | not bad | 04:41 |
| tenco | i have 1.1.4 here. phps myspell? | 04:41 |
| apokryphos | thoreauputic: yes, clear symptoms | 04:41 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: now just set it to "transparent" | 04:42 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: no | 04:42 |
| apokryphos | 8) | 04:42 |
| jpatrick | Where's it's config? | 04:42 |
| nikkia | jpatrick, same place as usual, right click on the v by the taskbar, and select 'Taskbar v2 Menu/Advanced Options' | 04:43 |
| jpatrick | oh yeah | 04:43 |
| nikkia | by 'v' i mean the downward pointing arrow thing | 04:43 |
| nikkia | and left mouse works too, i guess | 04:43 |
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| apokryphos | Staying in Intercollegiate | 04:43 |
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| garmasthi | How I can get KGet and Kdevelop? | 04:45 |
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| apokryphos | garmasthi: apt | 04:45 |
| jpatrick | garmasthi: open the konsole and do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 | 04:45 |
| jpatrick | and: sudo apt-get install kget :p | 04:46 |
| thoreauputic | apokryphos: http://interlink.webhop.org/nerdscreen.png ,-- is there any hope for me? I even uploaded it from CLi with the lftp command! | 04:47 |
| apokryphos | garmasthi: just use apt, yes | 04:47 |
| garmasthi | but first I must download it, :D | 04:47 |
| jpatrick | that's what apt does | 04:47 |
| apokryphos | thoreauputic: I must confess, it looks quite nice :) | 04:48 |
| thoreauputic | heheh :) | 04:48 |
| jpatrick | looks to bucky | 04:48 |
| thoreauputic | bucky? | 04:48 |
| jpatrick | opss | 04:48 |
| garmasthi | it tell me: impossible to find Kget... | 04:48 |
| apokryphos | not my personal style, but it's not fugly by any means :P | 04:48 |
| thoreauputic | what's that? | 04:48 |
| jpatrick | typo :p | 04:48 |
| apokryphos | garmasthi: enable the Universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get update | 04:49 |
| apokryphos | sudo aptitude install kget | 04:49 |
| garmasthi | aaaa | 04:49 |
| jpatrick | !repos | 04:49 |
| ubotu | rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 | 04:49 |
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| nikkia | http://nikki.sexadelic.com/~nikki/desktop.png <- my rather plain looking desktop :P | 04:50 |
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| znh | what kernel versions can I use with a Amd Atlhon XP (except k7)? | 04:50 |
| garmasthi | thanks a lot everyone | 04:51 |
| nikkia | znh, i386, i586 and i686 | 04:51 |
| znh | nikkia, hi m8 | 04:51 |
| nikkia | k6 might work, too | 04:51 |
| znh | nikkia, does i686 support more then 900MB of ram? | 04:51 |
| nikkia | (i think i686 works for XP, since the XP has SSE doesn't it ?) | 04:51 |
| nikkia | znh: yes | 04:51 |
| znh | horay! | 04:52 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: those desktop icons is a definite no-no for me :P | 04:52 |
| znh | nvidia doesn't seems to work with k7 I heard :/ | 04:52 |
| nikkia | i think i386 is the only one with the limit | 04:52 |
| apokryphos | and desktops.. 12! Heh; nearly had forgot. :P | 04:52 |
| apokryphos | znh: it does | 04:52 |
| jpatrick | http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1673/snapshot45dy.png <- my desktop some time ago | 04:52 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: most of which are empty atm, because i hava java running on desktop 3, so mail, and lots of other stuff are closed to save ram :/ | 04:53 |
| znh | apokryphos, maybe thte newer version doesn't | 04:53 |
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| apokryphos | nikkia: and huge IRC :P | 04:53 |
| garmasthi | i've got another noob's question | 04:53 |
| jpatrick | garmasthi: fire away | 04:53 |
| znh | garmasthi, feel free to ask | 04:53 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: very nice; much closer to my market :) | 04:53 |
| === apokryphos feels inclined to share too | ||
| nikkia | jpatrick: dear god, all those superkaramba themes starting sucking my CPU away just viewing the image!! :P | 04:53 |
| garmasthi | i'm using | 04:53 |
| garmasthi | a user account, but I need to use root account | 04:53 |
| jpatrick | nikkia, apo: :D | 04:53 |
| znh | garmasthi, okay, typ 'su' in a terminal ;) | 04:54 |
| apokryphos | http://giannaros.org/desktop.png | 04:54 |
| Poromies | any news about kde 3.4.2 for athlon64? | 04:54 |
| apokryphos | I admit, I often include SK to make a pretty screeny;-), but I have actually left them on lately | 04:54 |
| Poromies | :( | 04:54 |
| Poromies | i've been waiting for weeks :( | 04:54 |
| jpatrick | znh: I thought it was sudo su | 04:54 |
| apokryphos | Poromies: probably not going to happen, unfortunately, I think. | 04:54 |
| garmasthi | yes, but the problem is: when I install nobody ask which should be the root pass | 04:54 |
| jpatrick | there isn't one | 04:55 |
| znh | jpatrick, eh.. yea sudo would do.. but su would be root.. sudo is just a proxy to root | 04:55 |
| nikkia | clearly i have the most dull desktop :P | 04:55 |
| jpatrick | it your password | 04:55 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: perhaps the ugliest one, too :P | 04:55 |
| jpatrick | it's* | 04:55 |
| apokryphos | I should get the prize for the cleanest, at least! | 04:55 |
| jpatrick | helllo | 04:55 |
| jpatrick | hell* | 04:55 |
| znh | garmasthi, typ sudo passwd, to configure a root password | 04:55 |
| jpatrick | mine has kubuntu on it | 04:55 |
| jpatrick | ;) | 04:56 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: that's right; put it where it hurts ;-) | 04:56 |
| nikkia | jpatrick: my background, that you can't really see in the screenshot, is a tweaked version of the ubuntu background :P | 04:56 |
| garmasthi | I think that I cant explain | 04:56 |
| znh | IEWW bird crap on my mouse | 04:56 |
| garmasthi | sorry for my bad english, I'm italian -_- | 04:56 |
| znh | garmasthi, well then start learning english in IRC! | 04:57 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: ancient icon theme; join us in the 21st century 8) | 04:57 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: ancient? its the 'Kids' theme from KDE | 04:57 |
| jpatrick | I have Crystal Clear | 04:57 |
| thoreauputic | one thing that can be said - no two linux desktops ever seem to look alike :) | 04:57 |
| garmasthi | THANK YOU!!!!! | 04:57 |
| apokryphos | I can feel the wrinkles from here | 04:57 |
| garmasthi | I've resolved problem! | 04:58 |
| apokryphos | thoreauputic: indeed. On a forum people posted their desktops, and they were *all* the same exactly except background. Compare that to Linux :P | 04:58 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: bloody students! | 04:58 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: Crystal clear is good, you should try that. All the RAD are excellent too. "Kids" is limited :P | 04:59 |
| jpatrick | The changes I've made is add KoolDock and move Kicker to the top and remove the SK them at the buttom | 04:59 |
| apokryphos | or any Amaranth icons | 04:59 |
| apokryphos | Docks always got annoying for me after a while | 04:59 |
| jpatrick | KoolDock's okay | 04:59 |
| apokryphos | Kxdocker is probably better, isn't it? | 05:00 |
| apokryphos | kooldock is more simplistic though. | 05:00 |
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| hussam | anybody knows where on the hard disk does firestarter store the event logs? | 05:00 |
| garmasthi | good bye friends, thanks a lot for your usefull help! | 05:00 |
| apokryphos | adieu! | 05:00 |
| jpatrick | I didn't quite like KSmoothDock | 05:00 |
| znh | apokryphos, ieww bugs on your head | 05:00 |
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| nikkia | jpatrick, i noticed i was the only one using the panel at the top of the screen :) | 05:01 |
| apokryphos | znh: wherewhathow! | 05:01 |
| nikkia | too much time using macos i spose | 05:01 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: closset-gnome user | 05:01 |
| === znh gets a hammer, and smashes apokryphos on his head; bugs killed | ||
| jpatrick | :O | 05:01 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: gnome copied it from apple, who came up with it after investing money in determining the best place for menus :P | 05:01 |
| nikkia | znh, its the bugs IN apokryphos's head i worry about :P | 05:02 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: I can picture them now having monkeys working on typewriters around the clock to determine that | 05:02 |
| nikkia | although, sometimes, they seem to have a moderating effect on his sanity :P | 05:02 |
| znh | nikkia, that's why God has bugzilla too | 05:02 |
| apokryphos | Hard to have an affect on my sanity... of all the things I've lost, the one I miss most is my sanity ;-) | 05:02 |
| apokryphos | znh: he doesn't use Malone? | 05:02 |
| apokryphos | rumour has it: he does | 05:03 |
| znh | xd | 05:03 |
| nikkia | znh, that's scary | 05:03 |
| znh | nikkia, yeah sorry | 05:03 |
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| jpatrick | http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5538/snapshot78qt.png <- :p | 05:04 |
| apokryphos | used to have problems with it, slightly, with Konq, but those seem to have disappeared some time ago now | 05:04 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: dark theme out of sync there :P | 05:04 |
| nikkia | 'zarro boogs found' makes me want to kill people | 05:04 |
| jpatrick | apokryphos: I know | 05:05 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: for a real dark theme http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=25999 :P | 05:05 |
| nikkia | jpatrick: don't like the black at all | 05:05 |
| karlo | ola | 05:05 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: I find black to not really be usable at all | 05:05 |
| apokryphos | annoys me after a couple days max | 05:05 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: same here | 05:05 |
| apokryphos | some don't survive without it though. The dark is kinda depressing, for me anyway; need something bright | 05:06 |
| jpatrick | It's a bit annoying in KDevelop | 05:06 |
| nikkia | it looks alright on shell windows tho, but thats my old-fart-ness kicking in again | 05:06 |
| apokryphos | and needless to say, loading a white webpage is not easy on the eyes. Too quick a switch. | 05:06 |
| nikkia | a shell isn't a shell unless its orange, green or white, on black, to me :) | 05:06 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: yes, yes it is. 8) | 05:06 |
| jpatrick | :/ | 05:07 |
| apokryphos | Terminal seems like it doesn't belong when it's black and everything's white. Only the old fogies who keep that in KDE | 05:07 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: actually, i like that | 05:07 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: what? | 05:07 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: the 'not quite fitting' is what i like about having shells have a black bg | 05:07 |
| apokryphos | hehe; that power feel | 05:08 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: it helps me find a shell visually, and sort of makes it stand out as a non-GUI app | 05:08 |
| apokryphos | you should make all your apps different colours, then | 05:08 |
| nikkia | no, that'd just be ugly | 05:08 |
| apokryphos | and yet so colourful! | 05:09 |
| apokryphos | There are some *ugly* screenshots on kdelook, I'm sad to say | 05:09 |
| apokryphos | some who think really, really bright oranges, yellows, greens and purples makes a good combination | 05:09 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i just buy a bag of skittles when i want colourful :P | 05:09 |
| apokryphos | or Vimto | 05:10 |
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| apokryphos | the fruitiest word | 05:10 |
| garmasthi | HI, i'm here again | 05:10 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i find it hard to drink anything purple, after a rather embarassing situation that arose at uni | 05:10 |
| jpatrick | garmasthi: hello | 05:10 |
| === apokryphos awaits a good listen | ||
| nikkia | apokryphos: got drunk on merrydown&black, work up to a room that looked like an axe murderer had been playing | 05:11 |
| garmasthi | why Kubuntu says to me that I cant login as root?? | 05:11 |
| jpatrick | You can't | 05:11 |
| garmasthi | why? | 05:11 |
| jpatrick | it's not enabled | 05:11 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: hah! What happened exactly? | 05:11 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i threw up, lots of blood-coloured fluids | 05:11 |
| apokryphos | *no-one knows* | 05:12 |
| garmasthi | in kubuntu nobody can login as root? | 05:12 |
| jpatrick | garmasthi: you don't want to enable it | 05:12 |
| garmasthi | k, now the problem is | 05:12 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: yikes | 05:12 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: the cleaners weren't too impressed | 05:12 |
| garmasthi | i have to modify sources.list, but I must be root | 05:13 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: I'm told in my halls there's a cleaner every week. Heh. | 05:13 |
| jpatrick | garmasthi: right-click it then > Actions > edit as root | 05:13 |
| apokryphos | garmasthi: alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list | 05:13 |
| apokryphos | ..or that, if you have it. | 05:13 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: only until the first time you get caught masturbating, after that, they visit your room far less often :P | 05:13 |
| jpatrick | or that too^ | 05:13 |
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| garmasthi | lol | 05:14 |
| garmasthi | its simple | 05:14 |
| garmasthi | tanks!!!!!!! | 05:14 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: Will have to put an alarm for the exact time ;-) | 05:14 |
| garmasthi | ehmmmm thanks! | 05:14 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: unless they come at random times. :-O | 05:14 |
| apokryphos | "surprise of the week"... except there's no prize. | 05:14 |
| jpatrick | yeah | 05:14 |
| === apokryphos reads on to the T&C | ||
| apokryphos | nikkia: 4,100 for the year :/ | 05:16 |
| nikkia | wish my rent was that low :/ | 05:16 |
| nikkia | actually, that is surprisingly high, for what you're likely to get, really | 05:17 |
| apokryphos | bad for a poor student like mee | 05:17 |
| garmasthi | ehm.... shame on ME... but anyone could repeat my HOW install newpackage like Kget?? :D | 05:17 |
| garmasthi | Shame on me... | 05:17 |
| nikkia | it works out to something like 500/mo assuming 8 months/year | 05:17 |
| jpatrick | garmasthi: open the konsole and type: sudo apt-get install <package name> | 05:17 |
| garmasthi | Aaaa | 05:18 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: he needs Universe | 05:18 |
| nikkia | (i dunno about you, but we were expected to vacate the place for holidays, and had to pay extra if we wanted to stay) | 05:18 |
| garmasthi | i've wrote: sumo apt-get install etc... | 05:18 |
| jpatrick | apokryphos: he just wanted to know how to do it | 05:18 |
| jpatrick | I think | 05:18 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: yeah, we have to too. | 05:18 |
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| apokryphos | nikkia: connections are provided through JANET system. I hope it's not slow | 05:20 |
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| jpatrick | apokryphos: I think that's why he wanted to know how to edit his sources.list | 05:21 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: Yeah. KGet is in Universe | 05:22 |
| jpatrick | so he edited his sources.list to enable it | 05:22 |
| apokryphos | long terms and conditions for Internet use. Interesting. | 05:22 |
| apokryphos | jpatrick: excellent | 05:22 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: JANET isn't slow, but i'm not sure how modernised it is | 05:24 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: last time i used JANET, it still used CPAD addresses for everything | 05:24 |
| nikkia | and that was only 11 years ago | 05:24 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: I heard a rumour (hopefully) that it has just a 10 megabit for the whole thing | 05:24 |
| apokryphos | doesn't seem to mention speed here | 05:25 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: for all of JANET? or for the uni->JANET connection ? | 05:25 |
| apokryphos | uni | 05:25 |
| nikkia | ah, it wouldn't surprise me, despite all their crowing, unis always seem to be at least 5 years behind on connection speed :P | 05:26 |
| nikkia | ours was an 'amazing' 9600 baud | 05:26 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: which uni did you say it was you're going to ? | 05:27 |
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| apokryphos | "There is no objection to small removable items such as cushions, providing they carry a British kite mark"... err, *what*. Hah. | 05:27 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: King's | 05:27 |
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| KabelKasper | Ich hre gerade diese Musik: Broken imaginary time von The Soundtrack of Our Lives auf Behind the music | 05:30 |
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| bram85 | hi, is KUbuntu's logo (seen on the main page of kubuntu.org) GPL licenced? | 05:30 |
| jpatrick | anyone here have Gadu-Gadu? :p | 05:30 |
| berkes | is there a way to make a screencapture with a cron run? | 05:31 |
| apokryphos | bram85: probably not; SVG source is available from the wiki though | 05:32 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: note though that Internet stuff is probably not down to King's etc; in fact, I doubt it is. They don't have Internet connections in their main halls :| | 05:33 |
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| smudo | hi all | 05:37 |
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| garmasthi | HI AGAIN!! | 05:37 |
| garmasthi | All problems solved! | 05:37 |
| garmasthi | I love you all!!! | 05:37 |
| garmasthi | bye bye | 05:37 |
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| jpatrick | bye | 05:39 |
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| chakie | is the default k-menu in kubuntu somewhat trimmed or why are a lot of apps not in it by default after a default installation? | 05:41 |
| chakie | stuff like control center, kmail, kontact etc are not there | 05:44 |
| chakie | this is with the 3.4.2 version of kde. same with 3.4.0 | 05:45 |
| sproingie | control center is there for me | 05:45 |
| jpatrick | me too | 05:45 |
| sproingie | kontact is a button on kicker. not sure why they didn't put it in the k menu | 05:45 |
| chakie | control center was there on 3.4.0 | 05:46 |
| sproingie | mine must have carried over then | 05:46 |
| chakie | "in 3.4.0" | 05:46 |
| chakie | yeah | 05:46 |
| chakie | kmenuedit isn't there either | 05:46 |
| sproingie | there's a "system' button that has links to settings:/ | 05:47 |
| sproingie | i think settings:/ is favored over kcontrol now | 05:47 |
| jpatrick | chakie: kmenuedit = right-click the menu | 05:48 |
| sproingie | i'm rather annoyed that you can't just drag and drop buttons between the menus and kicker | 05:48 |
| sproingie | windows can do that. heck CDE could do that | 05:48 |
| chakie | jpatrick: ah, yes | 05:48 |
| chakie | upgrading to 3.4.2 held back the kdepim package. no idea why | 05:49 |
| jpatrick | do: sudo apt-get install kdepim | 05:49 |
| jpatrick | and it will replace the old one | 05:49 |
| sproingie | 3.4.1 has held back arts from day 1 | 05:49 |
| sproingie | does 3.4.2 fix that? | 05:49 |
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| sproingie | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 05:50 |
| sproingie | arts: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 is to be installed | 05:50 |
| sproingie | Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 is to be installed | 05:50 |
| jpatrick | :/ | 05:50 |
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| sproingie | i havent checked sound in months so i don't know if it actually still works | 05:51 |
| sproingie | but it'd be nice to have when i need it | 05:51 |
| chakie | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 05:51 |
| chakie | kdepim: Depends: kleopatra (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2) but it is not going to be installed | 05:51 |
| jpatrick | that is odd | 05:51 |
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| chakie | kleopatra depend on: dirmngr, gnupg2, gpgsm | 05:54 |
| chakie | maybe some extra apt sources are needed? | 05:55 |
| chakie | universe maybe? | 05:55 |
| jpatrick | did you dist-upgrade? | 05:55 |
| chakie | no | 05:55 |
| chakie | now i did | 05:56 |
| chakie | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 05:56 |
| chakie | kleopatra needs stuff that can't be found | 05:56 |
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| ubuntu | can someone tell me how to get the trash icon onto the desktop and off of the panel. | 06:09 |
| chakie | where would ubuntu get its hostname from? | 06:18 |
| chakie | our system refuses to change its hostname | 06:19 |
| pax | /etc/hostname | 06:19 |
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| pax | /etc/hosts as well | 06:20 |
| chakie | it had a guest hostname that it got via dhcp first. i changed the dhcp server to give out another ip | 06:20 |
| chakie | but it remembers the first one | 06:20 |
| pax | edit the two files to reflect your hostname and then restart network | 06:21 |
| chakie | i shouldn't have to edit that | 06:21 |
| chakie | makes dhcp & dns a bit pointless then | 06:21 |
| chakie | well, /etc/hosts was ok | 06:22 |
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| pax | now that you're talking dns, you might look at /etc/resolv.conf as well, to make sure you have the right nameserver(s) | 06:25 |
| chakie | that comes via dhcp | 06:25 |
| chakie | and is ok | 06:26 |
| chakie | ok, manually editing /etc/hostname and rebooting did the trick | 06:27 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | Er, does anyone have a good 8-port router to reccomend? Mine is about to die | 06:27 |
| chakie | thanks for the help | 06:27 |
| pax | rebooting?! | 06:27 |
| chakie | well, i work over ssh here, and restarting the network with nfs shares etc didn't work too well... | 06:27 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | Or just pointing out a brand would be of help too | 06:27 |
| pax | why did you reboot, you could just /etc/init.d/networking restart | 06:28 |
| chakie | i did | 06:28 |
| chakie | that didn't work well, as there were mounted nfs disks | 06:28 |
| chakie | so it didn't bring up the net back... | 06:28 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: netgear ? | 06:28 |
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| _nir | hi | 06:28 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i've found netgear's switches (their non-home versions anyway) utterly reliable | 06:29 |
| pax | chakie: as long as the problem was solved. good luck. | 06:29 |
| chakie | i just thought that the boot scripts would set /etc/hostname based on dhcp/dns data | 06:29 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: not that keen on their home products look tho, and the professional stuff tends to be a bit pricey | 06:29 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: Thanks. I have a shitty LevelOne router and it's been fiving me grief for the past few weeks | 06:30 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | *giving | 06:30 |
| nikkia | still a FS108 shouldn't be too pricey | 06:30 |
| nikkia | they run for 19 here | 06:30 |
| chakie | pax: yeah. thanks for the patience with a kubuntu-n00b | 06:30 |
| _nir | how i can reconf X, just installed kubuntu but the res is very low :) | 06:30 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: oh, you want a router? | 06:30 |
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| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: Yup | 06:30 |
| pax | chakie: np :c) | 06:30 |
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| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: well, i'd give their routers a try, never used them, and they're all in the 'home' style, sadly, but still, they're reliable products from their professional series | 06:31 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i also like linksys, but i've had more and more problems with them over the last few years (since cisco bought them) and feel a bit weary recommending them anymore | 06:31 |
| _nir | anyone ? | 06:31 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: Thanks for the heads up. I was about to look into linksys routers just now, actually | 06:32 |
| pax | _nir: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 06:32 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: its a bit of a crap shoot when you look at the lower-end stuff, tbh | 06:32 |
| _nir | thanks :) | 06:32 |
| pax | _nir: np :c) | 06:32 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: ive had bad experiences with 3com, linksys and dlink, i'm not sure that leaves any of the major 'low end' brands left :/ | 06:32 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: Go ahead and add LevelOne to that list | 06:33 |
| durruti | Hi, I've had Kubuntu installed for a couple of weeks. I've added stuff to my menu before, but last night I was trying to add some programs to the menu and I couldn't save anything. When I clicked on the save icon, or chose "File">"Save", nothing happened. I tried numerous times, closing and re-opening the program, but no changes I make are taking effect. Any ideas what could be happening? | 06:33 |
| pax | !resolution | 06:33 |
| ubotu | it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto | 06:33 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: never heard of them :) | 06:33 |
| _nir | pax: how i can pass that sudo issue , i really hate it :) , i just want to 'su' like i used to at Debian , is it possible at Ubuntu ? | 06:33 |
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| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: That tells you something, doesn't it? | 06:33 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: yep | 06:33 |
| pax | _nir: yes it is possible, if you tired of using the pass with sudo, then sudo -i | 06:33 |
| pax | _nir: if you would like to enable the root account, then sudo passwd root | 06:34 |
| _nir | kewl :) | 06:34 |
| _nir | many thanks :) | 06:34 |
| _nir | but many :) | 06:34 |
| chakie | anyone seen "lockd: failed to monitor x.x.x.x" lately? | 06:34 |
| pax | np, the resolution wiki page was given to you by ubotu | 06:34 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: Just been talking to some people. They seem to think very highly of Asus' routers. Any experience with those? | 06:35 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: they're just rebadged stuff, bit of a crap shoot as to which brand you really get | 06:35 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: Joy. Well, thanks for the info | 06:36 |
| chakie | ah, needed "fs-util" | 06:37 |
| chakie | "nfs-util" | 06:37 |
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| zzzzsolt | hey | 06:40 |
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| jpatrick | I can't add a network printer <:/ | 06:41 |
| pax | samba? | 06:41 |
| zzzzsolt | i've updated to kde 3.4.2 from the kde repo, and got kdevelop 3.2.2 too. kdevelop designer won't start (sigsegv), and 3.2.1 won't install because of circular dependency | 06:42 |
| zzzzsolt | is there a solution to this? kde.org bug report says it's been solved | 06:42 |
| jpatrick | kdevelop designer never works here for me >:( | 06:43 |
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| zaudragon | hello | 06:43 |
| nikkia | Rogue_Jedi_Zero: you've reminded me that i need another 8 port switch, btw, thanks :) | 06:43 |
| jpatrick | pax: I'm trying via IPP | 06:43 |
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| zaudragon | I was, a while ago, running Kubuntu PPC on a LiveCD, which crashed | 06:44 |
| zaudragon | I thien opened Mac OS X, which then panicked on trying to boo | 06:44 |
| zaudragon | *boot | 06:44 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | nikkia: I aim to please | 06:45 |
| nikkia | might as well get that SATA HDD i want too | 06:46 |
| pax | jpatrick: just matter of editing cupsd.conf isnt it. | 06:47 |
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| jpatrick | where's that? | 06:47 |
| nikkia | there we go, all ordered | 06:47 |
| nikkia | 1 8-port switch and 1 300GB 16MB cache drive :) | 06:47 |
| zzzzsolt | who has a working kdevelop designer? | 06:47 |
| pax | /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ? | 06:47 |
| pax | nikkia: your boss is spoiling you :cp | 06:49 |
| zzzzsolt | who has a working kdevelop designer? anybody? mine goes down with sigsegv | 06:51 |
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| hussam | Anybody here uses firestarter? If yes, in what location on the hard disk does it store the event logs? | 06:52 |
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| pax | hussam: it logs to syslog | 06:56 |
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| bjv | anyone here use kdevelop with kubuntu? | 06:57 |
| jpatrick | me | 06:57 |
| bjv | i do not see the 'show line numbers' option under view | 06:58 |
| bjv | are there some distro specific issues? | 06:58 |
| hussam | pax: is there a size limit on these logs or so they grow forever? | 06:58 |
| jpatrick | did you install KDevelop3? | 06:58 |
| zzzzsolt | bjv does the designer work? | 06:58 |
| zzzzsolt | bjv mine won't even start (sigsegv) | 06:59 |
| bjv | zzzzsolt: uh.. all i know is that i apt-got kdevelop then worked on getting some of my glfw projects to compile | 06:59 |
| jpatrick | bjv: Show Line Numbers = F11 | 06:59 |
| bjv | and they do compile | 06:59 |
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| zzzzsolt | bjv well start the designer | 06:59 |
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| pax | hussam: well no, take a look at /var/log/ to see how it works | 07:00 |
| bjv | maybe im not up on my kdevelop lingo, what does 'starting the designer' mean? | 07:00 |
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| jpatrick | bjv: did you do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3? | 07:00 |
| zzzzsolt | if it's in the k menu then just go to k menu/dev tools/kdevelop/kdevelop designer | 07:01 |
| bjv | no i guess i did apt-get install kdevelop | 07:01 |
| nikkia | pax, how is my boss spoiling me ? | 07:01 |
| jpatrick | bjv: that's the old verison | 07:01 |
| nikkia | pax, i ordered those things from my own credit card, its called earning a living and having disposable income :P | 07:01 |
| bjv | oic | 07:01 |
| bjv | alright, ill remove it and get v3 | 07:01 |
| jpatrick | just do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 | 07:02 |
| zzzzsolt | holy crap it just started! :)) but how? | 07:02 |
| jpatrick | and it will remove kdevelop | 07:02 |
| pax | nikkia: oh, I was under impression he pays for it, you said something about him getting you new boxes | 07:02 |
| jpatrick | zzzzsolt: really? | 07:02 |
| nikkia | pax, yeah, he's bought me 2 shuttle-X systems, but i haven't got them yet, my desktop P4 will still be my primary system tho, and it needs a new HDD :) | 07:02 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick yea, it says version 0.2 | 07:02 |
| nikkia | (one shuttle will be my server, one will run XP for certain apps) | 07:03 |
| jpatrick | Damn I got sigsegv again | 07:03 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick i've been trying to force kdevelop 3.2.1 up but it had a circular dependence, however it did something good to kdevdesigner | 07:03 |
| pax | nikkia: 2 shuttles! that's spoiling :p | 07:03 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrich i just added a radiobutton to a form :) oh joy | 07:04 |
| jpatrick | >:/ | 07:04 |
| jpatrick | lucky | 07:05 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick aha! kdevelop is 3.2.1, that's why it works | 07:05 |
| nikkia | pax, they are a project bonus, apparently :P | 07:05 |
| nikkia | pax, although he said he wants to work out something else for a bonus for this project as well | 07:06 |
| jpatrick | I have 3.2.2 | 07:06 |
| nikkia | pax, it mostly comes from the fact that I work almost every hour there is, and everyone else has a 'oh well, 5:28pm friday, time to knock off, no more work til monday!' attitude | 07:06 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick go get 3.2.1 from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/pool/kdevelop/ | 07:07 |
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| jpatrick | 3.2.2 should be better than 3.2.1 | 07:07 |
| pax | bonus! ask him for a red sport car =) | 07:08 |
| nikkia | pax, it also explains why of the two teams working on the same hardware/software combination, their project quite a bit simpler than mine, they've taken over a year so far to get nearly finished, and i'm nearly finished after 3 months :P | 07:08 |
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| zzzzsolt | jpatrick "should be". haven't you ever messed up anything while trying to improve it? :) | 07:08 |
| nikkia | (they also have 2 programmers on their team, my team is 'me, and an artist' | 07:08 |
| pax | nikkia: sounds like you're getting a red benz coupe | 07:09 |
| jpatrick | zzzzsolt: well it's it the upgrade? | 07:09 |
| nikkia | pax, and guess who is more likely to get a decent raise next pay review :) | 07:09 |
| pax | nikkia! | 07:09 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick all i know is that this works. but it will complain when you dpkg -i it | 07:09 |
| pax | dont tell they will | 07:09 |
| pax | me* | 07:09 |
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| bjv | well thanks for pointing out the correct package name, | 07:10 |
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| nikkia | apokryphos: urgh, thats horrible | 07:11 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: i always hated the 'configure timezones' page too, because there's no easy way to 'turn everything off, damn it!' | 07:12 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick you might also want to try forcing 3.2.1 up then upgrading to 3.2.2, maybe the 3.2.2 debs are missing some important dependency | 07:12 |
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| durruti | Problem with K-menu: I've had Kubuntu installed for couple weeks. I've added stuff to my menu before, but last night I was trying to add some programs to the menu and I couldn't save anything. When I clicked on the save icon, or chose "File">"Save", nothing happened. I tried numerous times, closing and re-opening the program, but no changes I make are taking effect. Any ideas what could be happening? | 07:18 |
| apokryphos | nikkia: I'd just remember checking it every few days and it saying "Moscow". I'd just think.... hey, I didn't change that :P | 07:20 |
| nikkia | apokryphos: *nod* | 07:20 |
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| apokryphos | nikkia: oop, off now for a bit. TTYL. :) | 07:21 |
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| spiral | hi | 07:26 |
| jpatrick | lo | 07:27 |
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| martin | Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? | 07:28 |
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| zzzzsolt | martin: is that kde 3.4.2 ? | 07:29 |
| zzzzsolt | hmm what can i use to get the dv video from a canon m360i dv camcorder through firewire? | 07:31 |
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| EasterSunshine | zzzzsolt: kino | 07:32 |
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| EasterSunshine | !info kino | 07:32 |
| ubotu | kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.75-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 1293 kB, Installed size: 4092 kB | 07:32 |
| n | Debian has a package called plptools-kde, how do I get this for Ubuntu? | 07:32 |
| EasterSunshine | n: add debian repos to your sources.list | 07:33 |
| EasterSunshine | n: which is unrecommened because they may not work perfectly with ubuntu | 07:33 |
| EasterSunshine | n: alternatevily, if you are knowledgable on building debs, help everyone out and build one for the repos | 07:33 |
| n | easter: yeah, but what if I get the deb source for it (where from?) then compile it myself | 07:33 |
| zzzzsolt | use checkinstall | 07:33 |
| EasterSunshine | n: sounds good | 07:34 |
| n | easter: I can't find where debian package source archives are kept. I've searched the Debian FTP and couldn't find them | 07:35 |
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| EasterSunshine | n: sry i don't use debian, i dunno where they keep there source repos, maybe ask in #debian | 07:37 |
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| pdrummond | hgg | 07:41 |
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| zzzzsolt | EasterSunshine: i got kino, looked into prefs and it says the ieee1394 subsystem is not responding | 07:46 |
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| zzzzsolt | i have a pci firewire card with the via controller on it | 07:47 |
| zzzzsolt | looks like i'm lacking rw access, can i chmod /dev/raw1394 ? | 07:51 |
| zzzzsolt | hmm i chmodded it and now it works. somehow this chmodding a device seems strange. what's the proper way to do this? | 07:53 |
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| EasterSunshine | zzzzsolt: sry, i never used kino before | 08:00 |
| zzzzsolt | EasterSunshine: i succeded in capturing a bit of video. seems to have frame drops, i'll do further testing to see if it's the video or just the player | 08:02 |
| zzzzsolt | do you know a proper way to enable users to r/w /dev/raw1394 ? | 08:03 |
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| zzzzsolt | hmm playing the dv stream directly seems to be smooth | 08:04 |
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| EasterSunshine | looks to be your hdd write speed | 08:08 |
| EasterSunshine | on premiere running on windows, i drop about 1 frame in twenty minutes | 08:08 |
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| zzzzsolt | i had no problems with windos xp, the target partition is ext2 on a 7200rpm 120 gig seagate barracuda on pri master | 08:09 |
| zzzzsolt | should be able to handle roughly twice as fast streams | 08:10 |
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| Thardas | zzzzsolt: maybe a stupid question, but you have enabled DMA on your hard disk? | 08:17 |
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| zzzzsolt | Thardas yes i have. as a matter of fact the hdd is quite happy with the stream. i get no dropped frames. it's noatun. can't play the stream back properly | 08:18 |
| Thardas | Strange. | 08:19 |
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| zzzzsolt | noatun is a piece of crap | 08:20 |
| zzzzsolt | locks up all the time | 08:20 |
| Thardas | I don't like any Linux video player except mplayer and even that's not perfect. | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | Kplayer ;-P | 08:22 |
| Thardas | Tm_T: I haven't tried that yet. | 08:22 |
| zzzzsolt | ok something's not right here. 30 seconds of dv should be more than 5 MB | 08:23 |
| zzzzsolt | oh ok :) had to hit refresh, it's 104 MB now | 08:24 |
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| Thardas | Hehe. | 08:24 |
| Tm_T | Thardas: Kplayer uses Mplayer =) | 08:24 |
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| zzzzsolt | yes, 104MB is the right size. well i'm surprised how little the hdd had to work while doing this. async i/o is working well in linux | 08:26 |
| Thardas | Tm_T: Yes, I read. | 08:26 |
| Thardas | But it's not the lack of GUI that bothers me with mplayer. | 08:26 |
| zzzzsolt | what can i play a raw dv stream with? | 08:27 |
| Thardas | zzzzsolt: mplayer claims to support it. I can't test myself as I'm on Windows workstation at home. | 08:28 |
| zzzzsolt | i tried to checkinstall mplayer today but had no luck. so i don't have mplayer yet. can you give me a .deb? | 08:29 |
| Thardas | It's installation seems to be a bit complex on Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Debian. | 08:29 |
| Thardas | http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt | 08:30 |
| zzzzsolt | yea i noticed :( | 08:30 |
| zzzzsolt | what do you know :) kino can play its on files | 08:32 |
| zzzzsolt | own | 08:32 |
| jpatrick | zzzzsolt: | 08:32 |
| jpatrick | that kdevelop thing broke my kdevelop | 08:32 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick sorry to hear that but you can still go back to where you started. i know it fixed mine | 08:33 |
| jpatrick | zzzzsolt: just gave errors :p | 08:34 |
| zzzzsolt | i used 3.2.1-0ubuntu0hoary2_i386 | 08:34 |
| zzzzsolt | gave me a circular dependence. kdevelop on kdevelop_data and vice versa. but after installing all 3 it works regardless | 08:35 |
| zzzzsolt | and it says 3.2.1 | 08:36 |
| jpatrick | oh | 08:37 |
| zzzzsolt | it downloaded a load of other stuff when i said apt-get -f install, maybe that's what fixed it up | 08:38 |
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| _m0ns00n | Hey | 08:41 |
| jpatrick | lo | 08:41 |
| _m0ns00n | Is there a link to a place where I can install the Nvidia 1.0-6111 drivers for ubuntu without hacky patchy means? | 08:41 |
| _m0ns00n | :-) | 08:41 |
| _m0ns00n | (hoary) | 08:41 |
| _m0ns00n | GeForce 4MX isn't supported > 6111 | 08:42 |
| _m0ns00n | I guess it's soon time to buy a new card | 08:47 |
| _m0ns00n | Doesn't look like Nvidia cares for older cards anymore. | 08:47 |
| zzzzsolt | m0ns00n: yep | 08:48 |
| zzzzsolt | jpatrick: i just compiled a qt designer hello world app in 3.2.1, and it works | 08:49 |
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| jpatrick | how do you compile in KDevelop? | 08:56 |
| jpatrick | I always use the command line | 08:56 |
| zzzzsolt | F8 | 08:56 |
| zzzzsolt | then shift+F9 to run | 08:56 |
| zzzzsolt | i'm new to kdevelop, but it seems to work. been missing g++ but i fixed that up | 08:57 |
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| jpatrick | that does nothing^^ | 08:58 |
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| jpatrick | :/ | 09:00 |
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| veraz | hi | 09:27 |
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| === veraz just installed kubuntu(and very happy about it), now iv a prob, every time i leave my computer for few min, its stuck ... any explaination ? | ||
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| veraz | hi again , did someoe know a solution to my prob ? | 09:37 |
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| martin | Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? | 10:02 |
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| smudo | hi all | 10:06 |
| smudo | question about kde's login | 10:07 |
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| smudo | how do I reset the configuration to the default installed one? | 10:07 |
| smudo | !reconfigure | 10:07 |
| ubotu | Syntax error in line 1, smudo | 10:07 |
| smudo | !reinstall | 10:07 |
| ubotu | Bugger all, i dunno, smudo | 10:07 |
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| smudo | !dpkg | 10:08 |
| ubotu | rumour has it, dpkg is the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb | 10:08 |
| smudo | !dpkg reconfigure | 10:08 |
| ubotu | smudo: Do they come in packets of five? | 10:08 |
| Tm_T | =) | 10:09 |
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| elvirolo | hi all | 10:10 |
| elvirolo | could anyone tell me what theme is used in that screenshot : http://masterfangorn.free.fr/weblog/images/screenshot/kdeapps/amarok-moby.png ? | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | hi kids | 10:10 |
| elvirolo | no ideas ? | 10:11 |
| buz | window decoration is probably plastik | 10:12 |
| buz | no idea as for the rest | 10:12 |
| Tm_T | hum | 10:12 |
| elvirolo | ok thanks anyway :) | 10:13 |
| Tm_T | lemme see... | 10:13 |
| Tm_T | png... takes some time to open, so get some coffee =) | 10:13 |
| elvirolo | :-P | 10:14 |
| Tm_T | hum, pretty default | 10:14 |
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| smudo | grrrrrrrrrrr | 10:45 |
| smudo | this still doesn't work | 10:46 |
| smudo | I need some help getting my kubuntu installation working. I can't log in. | 10:46 |
| smudo | anyone? | 10:49 |
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| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | smudo: I'm not exactly an expert, but I'll try to help. What seems to be the problem? | 11:08 |
| Tm_T | can't log in? | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | specify, please :) | 11:09 |
| smudo | back...sorry | 11:11 |
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| smudo | I log in through the KDM interface, and it just goes back to the interface after going black. | 11:11 |
| smudo | I can log in through the alt-n just fine. | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | ah | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | smudo: #kde | 11:12 |
| smudo | cool | 11:12 |
| smudo | I'll try there. | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | I think it's very kde-based error | 11:12 |
| smudo | Last time I was there it was waaaaay too noisy to get my question in. =-) | 11:12 |
| smudo | thanks | 11:12 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | Use bold | 11:13 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | Damn | 11:13 |
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| _tobias | hello, i have a usb printer and my os automatically mounts the printer into /dev/usb/lp0 when i turn the printer on. i had the problem that cups couldnt find the printer so i change the rights of the device /dev/usb/lp0 to 755. after that the printer worked perfectly fine. but when i turn the printer off and on again the device /dev/usb/lp0 has the old rights and i cant access to it untill i change the rights. is there any way to permana | 11:17 |
| _tobias | e hotpluging system or something else? | 11:17 |
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| ray_ | hello guys | 11:33 |
| ray_ | did you guys here about firefox 1.5? | 11:34 |
| ray_ | ibm is donating a huge chunk of code to help firefox | 11:34 |
| rem__ | . | 11:42 |
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| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | That was...different | 11:45 |
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| Liquidfire-serve | yay, my kde is working | 12:03 |
| Liquidfire-serve | =D | 12:03 |
| Liquidfire-serve | I like it much more then gnome | 12:03 |
| Liquidfire-serve | :o | 12:03 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | Purty, innit? | 12:03 |
| Liquidfire-serve | sure | 12:04 |
| Liquidfire-serve | :D | 12:04 |
| Liquidfire-serve | now I only wonder why i can't force my x-server screen not good :o | 12:04 |
| Liquidfire-serve | it can go a max like 200 | 12:04 |
| Liquidfire-serve | but i can only get 85 | 12:04 |
| Liquidfire-serve | Oo | 12:04 |
| Liquidfire-serve | I set everything right | 12:04 |
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| ubuntu | hello newbie here | 12:05 |
| ubuntu | u using kubuntu? | 12:05 |
| ubuntu | 5.04 | 12:05 |
| Liquidfire-serve | who me ? | 12:05 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | I'm guessing most of us are, yes | 12:05 |
| Liquidfire-serve | I'm using ubuntu | 12:05 |
| Liquidfire-serve | :o | 12:05 |
| ubuntu | um yeah | 12:05 |
| Liquidfire-serve | with kde | 12:05 |
| EasterSunshine | i'm using doze | 12:05 |
| Liquidfire-serve | :p | 12:05 |
| EasterSunshine | lynch me | 12:06 |
| ubuntu | ubuntu not kubuntu? | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | bites EasterSunshine | 12:06 |
| ubuntu | whats the diff | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | nope | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | dunno really lol | 12:06 |
| martin | Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? | 12:06 |
| EasterSunshine | ubuntu is gnome, and kubuntu is with kde | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | kubuntu more proffesional version :o? | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | oh | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | =] | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | k | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | :D | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | kde is more windows like | 12:06 |
| ubuntu | o | 12:06 |
| Liquidfire-serve | then gnome | 12:06 |
| EasterSunshine | they have different primary desktop enviornments but you can turn ubuntu to kubuntu by installing kde and removing gnome | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | imo | 12:07 |
| Rogue_Jedi_Zero | except it works | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | yes | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | ;) | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | I think i'm going to install kde on my friends pc's | 12:07 |
| ubuntu | cool well i'v used a number of diff distros but never ubuntu or kubuntu | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | instead of gnome | 12:07 |
| ubuntu | im using a live cd now | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | ah | 12:07 |
| ubuntu | i dont lik it | 12:07 |
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| Liquidfire-serve | kubuntu and ubuntu are great | 12:07 |
| Liquidfire-serve | first linux distro i'm using | 12:07 |
| EasterSunshine | Liquidfire-serve: you can't say its great if its the only one you used | 12:08 |
| BTJustice | How do you allow root to log into KDE? | 12:08 |
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