=== jsubl2 [n=jsubl2@72.48.94.33] has joined #kubuntu === tapanim [n=tapani@IP-62-216-120-10.telemail.fi] has joined #kubuntu === The_Vox [n=vox@201.130.67.62] has joined #kubuntu [12:10] not so nice... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343422 === Ex-Cyber [n=excyber@1Cust3645.an4.den10.da.uu.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:14] nikkia: it's time to wake up... === dabugas [n=dab@ipd191.218.tellas.gr] has joined #kubuntu [12:22] does anyone know something about that? === [EasterSunshine] [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === Mens [n=w00t@s5590409d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu === smux [n=smux@home.mescaline.fr] has joined #kubuntu === Tiggs [n=rob@c-24-18-92-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:35] im trying to install kubuntu, but i cant get my cd to boot from my usb cdrom drive [12:36] is there another way? === _kay [n=kay@p54A3BE80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] <_kay> hm... you upgrade only one package [12:42] <_kay> tapanim: What apt sources did you add? [12:42] <_kay> And is your disk full === _john [n=john@ool-44c63ce7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === ..[topic/#kubuntu:mornfall] : Kubuntu Official Help Channel | KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php | Adept alpha out - http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ === _john is now known as arcanistherogue [12:45] hey, on bootup, my system fails at "Setting Sensor limits" [12:45] what does that do? [12:46] <_kay> fail in what sense? === mcquaid [i=mcquaid@toronto-hs-216-138-233-79.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #kubuntu [12:48] hello all [12:48] since i upgraded to 3.4.2 kcheckgmail no longer works [12:48] anyone else encounter this? [12:48] it seems to run fine but never notifies me new mail === Rogue_Jedi_Zero [n=roguejed@BSN-77-186-162.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === denork [n=denork@198.red-62-57-91.user.auna.net] has joined #kubuntu === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu === denork [n=denork@198.red-62-57-91.user.auna.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === denork [n=denork@198.red-62-57-91.user.auna.net] has joined #kubuntu === [EasterSunshine] is now known as EasterSunshine === tapanim [n=tapani@IP-62-216-120-10.telemail.fi] has joined #kubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu === nxv_ [n=matrix@dsl-084-056-084-125.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === JayParadise [n=jayparad@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === othernoob [n=othernoo@p54A2C783.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:29] <_kay> nene === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu === kittychan [n=kittycha@pool-71-240-192-196.alt.east.verizon.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === EasterSunshine [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:46] how do i set up a scanner in kde? === BTJustice [n=BTJustic@pool-68-238-1-114.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos_ [n=dw@host-84-9-108-174.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos_ is now known as apokryphos === MCCPicky [n=ubuntu@CPE-60-229-151-196.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === kittychan [n=kittycha@pool-71-240-192-196.alt.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:52] how do you add a scanner under kde? === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu === aseigo [n=aseigo@kde/aseigo] has joined #kubuntu === makk [n=jess@164.68.36.143] has joined #kubuntu [02:07] has anyone messed much with a synaptic touchpad? i cant seem to enable vertical scrolling [02:08] hey, on bootup, my system fails at "Setting Sensor limits" [02:08] <_frank> that must be a driver thing... I don't know if kde supports it but maybe [02:09] <_frank> arcanistherogue: did you install lm-sensors? I think that's what causes this when its not configured right [02:09] hmmm [02:09] i dont think i did [02:09] its already in, newest version [02:10] how do i configure it? [02:11] <_frank> I think you have to run /usr/sbin/sensors-detect [02:11] <_frank> and then add the modules it finds to /etc/modules [02:11] <_frank> This is just from memory and could be completely wrong :-) [02:12] heh :D [02:12] I have nothing to lose [02:13] <_frank> yeah, thats it... sensors-detect even can add the modules to /etc/modules automatically, I just checked mine [02:13] Do you wan't to add these lines to /etc/modules automatically? (yes/NO)y [02:13] 8) [02:14] <_frank> after lm-sensors works, you can use ksensors [02:14] <_frank> and have your cpu temp or whatever in your system tray [02:14] say, im having another error you could perhaps help me with... whenever I play games for more than 3 minutes, my computer freezes. It really stinks, i cant play quake. would you happen to know what would cause this? [02:14] <_frank> overheating? [02:14] thats what everyone says? [02:15] how do i tell the temperature [02:15] can i see it in Ksensors [02:15] ? === monster [n=NNSCRIPT@ip68-10-231-99.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:15] <_frank> umm... it could be your procecessor or your video card [02:15] Hmmm... [02:16] They are both pretty good, and I have like 5 fans in my case... [02:16] <_frank> and some video cards have temperature sensors... [02:16] my pc is failing to boot at ... Starting hotplug subsystem [02:16] say, if i were to touch my CPU, would I burn myself <_< [02:16] <_frank> monster: do you have anything strange plugged into it? ;-) [02:17] nope [02:17] <_frank> arcanistherogue: you mean the side of the heat sink? it should be bearable [02:17] just bought the laptop today [02:17] make sure you never try to run your PC without the fan on the CPU -- normally burns in a matter of seconds [02:17] nifty [02:17] well ihave a fan and a heatsink [02:17] one of those combo things [02:18] <_frank> monster: I don't know... you probably should search for info about your specific laptop on the forums/google [02:18] how many fans are good? can you have overkill? I have 2 in the back, one on top, one near my hard drives, and one on the window. is that too much? [02:19] im trying to disable hotplug from commandline [02:19] but nohotplug didnt work [02:19] <_frank> arcanistherogue: as long as the processor and video card cooling is good enough, the rest should be fine [02:19] thats pretty nifty [02:20] how do i tell my CPU temperature? i want to know if its overheating or not. === stinger [n=stinger@156sdl30m52.codetel.net.do] has joined #kubuntu [02:20] <_frank> well reboot to get lm-sensors working and that will get the cpu temperature [02:20] <_frank> if it works well [02:20] oh, ok === stinger [n=stinger@156sdl30m52.codetel.net.do] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === Riddell-1wa [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu === sladen_ [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu === PM-InFlorida [n=jay@cpe-24-26-139-222.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@dsl-084-059-211-247.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu is now known as the13th [02:26] i guess what i need to know is how to disable hotplug at boot [02:26] use update-rc.d to remove the rc.X symlinks [02:26] you may well break stuff, though, so be careful [02:28] im at grub [02:29] any way to run a interactive boot === renzo [n=renzo@200.73.39.163] has joined #kubuntu [02:30] holas [02:30] alguien de chile === stinger [n=stinger@156sdl30m52.codetel.net.do] has joined #kubuntu [02:32] hi@all === _john [n=john@ool-44c63ce7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === _john is now known as arcanistherogue === sorush20 [n=sam@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sam@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] [02:38] _frank: so, how do i get it to show the temperature with Ksensors again? === [EasterSunshine] [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:43] nevermind, i got it :D === ray_ [n=ray@c-24-128-148-122.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === miguelangel [n=miguelan@201.249.79.6] has joined #kubuntu [02:47] is kde based in germany? === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@dsl-084-059-211-247.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2 [n=jsubl2@72.48.94.33] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu is now known as the13th === toolman [n=toolman@60-234-134-102.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu === kittychan [n=kittycha@pool-71-240-192-196.alt.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu [] === trog|odyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu === hon [n=hon@gazor3.ece.queensu.ca] has joined #kubuntu === [_EasterSunshine [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === dan2_ is now known as dan2 === nebyeti [n=nebyeti@pcp07841743pcs.wilmsc01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:13] anyone know how to disable hotplug via grub === incubii [n=incubii@61.14.142.131] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2_ [n=jsubl2@72.48.94.33] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2 [n=jsubl2@72.48.94.33] has joined #kubuntu === james [n=james@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === james is now known as jayparadise [03:31] anyone have a /etc/apt/sources link? [03:32] !repositories [03:32] I guess repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [03:32] thanks [03:34] np [03:34] the knows alot if you ask the right questions [03:34] the bot rather [03:34] hm [03:34] should kubuntu come with synaptic? [03:35] not sure there.. kynaptic for sure. but kynaptic is lame imho [03:35] yes it is. [03:35] sudo apt-get install synaptic [03:35] that link shows you how to update using symaptic [03:35] i search using kyn* but it cant find it [03:36] and it looks like firefox needs some gtk libs [03:37] yo jsubl2 if you dont mind can you msg me your sources [03:38] nevermind i think i just had to uncomment some stuff [03:42] did that work [03:44] msg me i cant seem to get to you [03:44] well actually i am running breezy [03:45] ubuntuguide.org is down.. [03:45] it has a nice copy/paste sources.list === Terminus [n=jquintan@207-207-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #kubuntu [03:47] !sources [03:47] sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:47] jayparadise: check out the paste link [03:48] konversation does not seem to msg very well === ralph1away is back. === ralph1away is now known as ralph1 === Rogue_Jedi_Zero [n=roguejed@BSN-77-186-162.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === _james [n=james@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === n17r0 [n=n17r0@s5590409d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu === eric_ [n=eric@c-67-169-213-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === eric_ is now known as edred === edred is now known as edrex-home === sorush21 [n=sam@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === EasterSunshine [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === mode/#kubuntu [+o Mez] by ChanServ === mode/#kubuntu [+b *!=freston@h48n2fls34o953.telia.com] by Mez === mode/#kubuntu [-o Mez] by Mez === james_ [n=james@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Ex-Cyber [n=excyber@1Cust2828.an4.den10.da.uu.net] has joined #kubuntu === sorush21 [n=sam@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] === Firetech [n=Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu === drawagoat [n=goat@c-67-180-69-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === _james [n=james@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Pocahontas [n=chatzill@200.91.118.162] has joined #kubuntu [04:58] Hi [04:59] I forgot the name of the file I have to edit to change the monitor resolution [04:59] can you tell me were is it? [04:59] edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:59] ok thanks :-) === computergee [n=jimmy@pcp0012057112pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Dhraakellian [n=ntryon@cpe-66-67-53-29.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Dhraakellian [n=ntryon@cpe-66-67-53-29.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu ["Do] === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === BTJustice [n=BTJustic@pool-68-238-1-114.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #Kubuntu === edrex-home [n=eric@c-67-169-213-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === _james is now known as jayparadise === m0zone [n=m0zone@12-221-248-119.client.insightBB.com] has joined #kubuntu === Spermie [n=SpermFly@69-172-40-18.frdrmd.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:29] i have a ati in my laptop but the ati fglrx drivers dont wanna work for me, anyway around this? [05:30] the fglrx drivers in Warty, Hoary, or Breezy? [05:31] actaully mepis [05:31] ... [05:32] yeah i know, not much help in #mepis. but mepis is just like kubuntu [05:33] i run kubuntu - mepis - gentoo [05:34] I'm not familiar w/ MEPIS, so unless you tell me specifically what versions and what configurations are included, I'm afraid I can't help. === bz0b [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c10a-a-117.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === Ex_Cyber [n=excyber@1Cust5394.an3.den10.da.uu.net] has joined #kubuntu === redtech [n=redtech@unaffiliated/redtech] has joined #kubuntu === trans_err [n=trans_er@pool-151-199-124-76.roa.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:41] is KDM broken? [05:41] Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)? [05:43] the first time i put in a kubuntu cd, i recieved a message asking me if I wanted to upgrade to kubuntu... i put the cd in again, now its not asking. How can I get that message back? [05:44] redtech: do you just want to upgrade to kubuntu? [05:44] redtech: err, install kubuntu [05:45] im currently running ubuntu. I would like to just "upgrade", im assuming my data will remain intact. [05:46] redtech: you want to upgrade ubuntu from what to what? [05:47] are you trying to get kubuntu (ubuntu + KDE)? [05:47] yes === JeffAMcGee [n=jeff@host-66-205-125-240.classicnet.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:48] im guessing I could just enable the cd for repository and apt-get kubuntu-desktop ? [05:48] redtech: in terminal type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [05:48] redtech: yes. [05:48] is that all the "Upgrade Message" does? [05:49] I'm not familiar with that message or upgrade to kubuntu via CD. but I would guess yes. === Octane [n=octane@dsl092-100-149.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu === dan2 is now known as dan2_ === Spermie [n=SpermFly@69-172-40-18.frdrmd.adelphia.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.47] has joined #kubuntu === dan2_ [i=dan@pdpc/supporter/professional/dan2] has joined #kubuntu === Ex_Cyber is now known as Ex-Cyber === [EasterSunshine] [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === chris [n=chris@pcp0011070399pcs.brlngt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === dan2_ [i=dan@pdpc/supporter/professional/dan2] has joined #kubuntu === chris [n=chris@pcp0011070399pcs.brlngt01.nj.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === dan2_ [i=dan@pdpc/supporter/professional/dan2] has joined #kubuntu === supernix [n=steve@66-169-0-187.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:24] Hiya gang === Xiku [n=fran@dsl-200-95-18-120.prod-infinitum.com.mx] has joined #kubuntu === Xiku [n=fran@dsl-200-95-18-120.prod-infinitum.com.mx] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [06:32] Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)? === drawagoat [n=goat@c-67-180-69-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === drawagoat [n=goat@c-67-180-69-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === AndyFitz [n=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:52] Should I uncomment any other lines in my sources.list file? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1535 === user0 [n=user@69.111.73.105] has joined #kubuntu === smudo [n=michael@dsl017-037-212.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu === smudo [n=michael@dsl017-037-212.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu [] === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === smudo [n=michael@dsl017-037-212.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:14] how do I get XDMCP to run? [07:14] I need to do remote logins on my closed network. [07:14] I edited the kdmrc but may have made a mistake === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has left #kubuntu [] [07:21] hmmm [07:21] nobody here? [07:23] okay... [07:23] well [07:23] ummmm === smudo [n=michael@dsl017-037-212.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu [] [07:23] BTJustice: is ~/.kde/share/config/emailidentities what you're looking for? [07:27] well, smudo I've never used XDMCP and no one else has said anything for half an hour. [07:27] And I think btjustice is long gone. 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[08:30] possibly [08:30] brb [08:30] there is such a package === trog|odyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu === theplateau is now known as jayparadise [08:33] X( [08:34] it doesnt rain it pours [08:34] man i was having better luck with straight up debian [08:34] chakie, just changed my shell to tcsh and started another session, logged in to KDE fine. [08:34] E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [08:34] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [08:34] apt-get cant get lock === pc03 [n=LaNna@202.6.224.178] has joined #kubuntu === _pc03 [n=LaNna@202.6.224.178] has joined #kubuntu === pointwood [n=pointwoo@212.242.222.232] has joined #kubuntu [08:36] chavo: weird... [08:36] any ideas on the last problem chakie? [08:36] prjkt_trash: do it as root [08:36] dide [08:36] did* [08:36] yeah. I'm not running kubuntu packages though === pc03 is now known as Smoot [08:36] running 3.5 alpha, but that probably doesn't matter [08:36] *smacks forehead* thanks chavo...that just reminded me what i needed to do [08:37] chavo: older kde + kdm have worked ok with tcsh === bz0b [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c9a-a-48.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:37] (with the coment about kpackages) [08:37] konsole wouldn't start in the other session though [08:37] chavo: it's something that happens before kde even gets a chance to begin starting up === _pc03 [n=LaNna@202.6.224.178] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === Smoot is now known as Smooth [08:38] wierd. [08:38] immediately after pressing "enter" in kdm it turn black and restarts. so something maybe tries to run something using tcsh [08:38] I've never used anything but bash either, so can't really say what's going on. [08:38] yeah [08:39] i use bash too, but my wife prefers tcsh [08:39] that's cool [08:39] she's too lazy to learn bash, has used tcsh over 10 years. inertia... [08:41] need to start digging through the x.org startup files, her settings etc [08:41] time to go to work [08:42] thanks for the help everyone im gonna be off to make another attempt at fixing this crap...will probably return eventually === Imrahil [n=Imrahil@66-168-30-219.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [08:43] chakie, you still here? [08:43] yup [08:43] http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/08/msg00430.html [08:43] check that out [08:45] great! === shogouki [n=nicolas@AMontpellier-251-1-63-21.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu [] [08:45] yeah sounded like the same problem [08:46] that seems like a possible solution [08:46] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266814 [08:46] marked as closed though [08:47] I just did a google search for -> kdm tcsh login, and there seems to be a lot of hits [08:47] oh yeah [08:48] i googled for different stuff === Dhraakellian [n=ntryon@cpe-66-67-53-29.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Dhraakellian [n=ntryon@cpe-66-67-53-29.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu ["Do] [08:50] chavo: thanks for the help! [08:51] i'll leave my wife to go through them, i'll head off to work [08:51] no problem, hope you get it straightened out [08:51] yeah gotta o too [08:51] she's having a "sick day", got a new computer yesterday :) [08:51] go [08:51] nice === jayparadise [n=james@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2DDDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === Tiggs [n=rob@c-24-18-92-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:01] im not able to boot from my cdrom, is there any other way to get kubuntu? === mabu [n=mabu@cmb32-29.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu === paines [n=paines@p50891E46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === PieD [n=Pierre@ALille-251-1-68-187.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu === redguy [n=mati@ais100.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [09:25] i have that kind of problem http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343422 === yasser [n=yasser@59.93.161.206] has joined #kubuntu === yasser is now known as skyred [09:26] what does groupware client mean? [09:27] tapanim: seems that the package is corrupt [09:30] redguy: where i can get working package? [09:34] tapanim: try deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb and apt-get unsermake again === buz [n=buz@217-162-128-144.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu === Thardas [n=thardas@a84-231-102-108.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu [09:37] How can I install Firefox in Kubuntu? [09:37] i just read linux.ars about cairo in gtk 2.8 [09:37] will we get cairo support in qt? [09:38] redguy: not working :/ [09:38] tapanim: no idea then === m0ns00n [n=hogne@212.33.152.198] has joined #kubuntu [09:47] Thardas: sudo kynaptic [09:50] mindspin: I tried installing it with aptitude but it complains about numerous dependencies. [09:50] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [09:50] mozilla-firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) which is a virtual package. [09:50] Depends: libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0) which is a virtual package. [09:50] ... [09:51] did you apt-get update ? [09:52] aptitude update but it should do the same thing. [09:52] it worked fine here, and did not complain.... but this answer doesn't really help you [09:53] try installing the necessary packages [09:53] I tried kynaptic but when I tried to press install on Firefox, it didn't do anything, not even complain. [09:53] you started kynaptic with sudo? [09:53] Kynaptic doesn't seem to be very mature so I decided to stick with aptitude. [09:53] Will the game nexuiz run on hoary? [09:54] kynaptic works pretty fine for me [09:54] Yes, sudo kynaptic. [09:54] And this is a fresh install so I shouldn't have screwed anything. === JakubS_ [n=qba@ain131.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [09:54] I just updated the package list and updated before trying Firefox. [09:55] i installed it five minutes ago on a testing system and worked fine, so I have no idea [09:56] What repositories should I have in sources.list? [09:56] he, that would be my next too, [09:56] wait === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu === grimse [n=grimse@p5481DA4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:59] it worked here without any additions from the basic sources.list [09:59] i.e without universe enabled [09:59] so your troubles look a little weird [10:00] deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe[\n] deb-src http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe[\n] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted[\n] deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted [10:00] I have those. [10:00] At first I just had cdrom so I uncommented the lines described about. [10:00] about -> above [10:00] maybe the packages are messed up [10:00] try another source [10:01] like http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted [10:02] fi stands for finland(suomi) ? [10:02] Yes. [10:02] I'll try without universe. [10:02] I used the german sources [10:03] I have universe enabled on my laptop and had no troubles installing firefox [10:05] Ah, now. [10:05] Without universe it at leasts starts installing. [10:05] -s [10:05] hehe === eggi [n=einstein@dsl-213-023-017-204.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === equex [n=skldhxr@128.39.125.52] has joined #kubuntu === tango_ [n=nome@host-84-220-48-30.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === jayparadise [n=james@cpe-024-088-121-092.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === tenshiKur0 [n=tenshiKu@S0106000d93cb5211.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #kubuntu === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2DDDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === grimse [n=grimse@p5481DA4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === F_for_Fragging [n=sander@a82-92-1-250.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [n=chavo@241.sub-70-217-162.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-006.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === Tribune [n=Tribune@219.93.48.113] has joined #kubuntu === remon [n=remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #kubuntu [10:59] mornin thoreauputic [11:00] hi nikkia :) === wincide [n=nomeansy@196.Red-83-57-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === redguy [n=mati@aid133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [11:01] thoreauputic: i think i'm getting a bit of a reputation at work :/ [11:02] Message from xxxxxx xxx at 22/08/2005 23:41 [11:02] not working I hope [11:02] (sender was one of my bosses) === vegiVamp [n=demeersm@unimatrix.skynet.be] has joined #kubuntu [11:03] nikkia: here's one for you to answer - (maybe). If I open two urxvt in X, "who" doesn't register them ( invoked with -ls for login shell) But... two aterms and they show up as pts/XX ?? [11:03] nikkia: heh - they don't see IRC as work then ;-) [11:03] strange ... [11:03] ;-) [11:04] thoreauputic: only thing i can think of, is the 'urxvt' (? is that a modified rxvt?) isn't actually registering itself in the wtmp properly, despite the -ls [11:04] urxvt is a unicode version of rxvt, yeah [11:05] it might be thru bad code, it might be thru design, or it could be a permissions problem [11:05] wtmp eh? hmm /me goes looking... [11:05] most term apps run as setuid root so they can write to wtmp/utmp [11:05] apparently konsole does the same thing.. or doesn't, as it were [11:06] ah the setuid is another interesting thought... [11:06] i think its still up to the terminal app to create a wtmp entry, even if login shell is requested [11:06] ie, its not automatic [11:07] so as i said, it could be thru design/bad code [11:07] personally, i kind of like it that way, having every pty show up in wtmp/utmp would be messy here :) [11:07] right, i see - if you run , say , 2 instances of konsole there, does the count increment? [11:08] it doesn't even incrememnt with one :P [11:08] root tty2 Fri10 3days 0.02s 0.02s -bash [11:08] nikki tty3 Fri10 3days 2.23s 0.72s -bash [11:08] nikki :0 Fri10 ?xdm? 3:00m 0.02s /bin/sh /usr/bin/startkde [11:08] no mention of konsole there :) [11:08] actually, 'who' does report 1 extra session on pts/0 [11:08] neither urxvt nor konsole increment here: but xterm and aterm do [11:09] thoreauputic: try 'who -a' [11:10] nikkia: heh - yeah I did that but the output was .. rather large and I didn't grep through it: it isn't a life threatening issue: i was just curious ;-) [11:10] thoreauputic: and its a bit non-sensical too [11:11] I have gkrellm here and I'm used to seeing how many terminals are open *shrug* [11:11] but no biggie [11:11] thoreauputic: i bet konsole has an option whether to write to utmp/wtmp, and its disabled by default === nikkia goes to look [11:12] hmmm, don't see anything [11:12] nver mind [11:13] damn - just realised I need to shop... === thoreauputic runs [11:13] nikkia: later :) thanks [11:13] thoreauputic: tbh, i think a better way to tell would be to count the pty's being used [11:13] nikkia: yup [11:13] gotta go! [11:13] see you [11:13] see ya === Tribune [n=Tribune@219.93.48.113] has left #kubuntu ["bye] [11:14] it's far too early for work [11:14] heh, morning apokryphos [11:14] in fact, it's too early for anything; what am I doing up. :D [11:15] apokryphos: did you see the IM i pasted here a few minutes ago ? :) [11:15] Family is coming around tomorrow; figure I should adjust my sleeping time so I can see them properly [11:15] nikkia: about your repetitive negligience at work? Yes. [11:15] negligence ?? [11:15] :P [11:16] tut tut [11:16] wow, that looks like a fun job! [11:16] How can I start sshd? [11:16] one of the petrol station employs over the road is cleaning the forecourt, with a hand held brush :P [11:17] Thardas: /etc/init.d/ssh start but kubuntu doesn't install the ssh server by default, just the client [11:17] That's like mowing a lawn with a pair of sciccors [11:17] apokryphos: yeah [11:17] nikkia: he's being disciplined [11:17] apokryphos: wouldn't surprise me [11:17] apokryphos: they put in a PA system last week.... [11:18] nikkia: I tried to find something ssh related from aptitude but ssh didn't give me expected results. How is the server package named? [11:18] and all week, you'd hear them chattering to each other using the PA [11:18] nikkia: that's what happens to people that don't work at work -- be aware! [11:18] now, its eerily silent [11:18] I wonder what punishment I'd be fit for [11:18] !info ssh-server [11:18] hmmm [11:18] isn't it openssh something? [11:18] !find ssh [11:18] apokryphos: there's a seperate sshd package, tho [11:18] !info openssh-server [11:19] openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB [11:19] thats it === nikkia raises her eyebrows [11:19] 'rshd replacement' ?!?! [11:19] no idea [11:19] apokryphos: well, thats a bit like saying 'ssh - a telnet replacement' [11:20] ubotu: thanks. [11:20] Thardas: sure thing [11:20] at some level its true, but at another level, its a bald-faced lie! === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [11:20] It's a bit confusing when you're using Gentoo, Kubuntu, DesktopBSD and Windows at the same time. :) [11:20] nikkia: well, you can never be too sure with these devils, err, debian users. [11:21] apokryphos: as i remember rsh, its great for one thing - gaining entry to a system :P [11:21] Thardas: Definitely. Trash Gentoo, DesktopBSD and Windows. === apokryphos pictures nikkia hacking away stealing files from computers [11:22] and leaving little notes "Nikki woz 'ere Y2K B4U" [11:22] apokryphos: nah, Kubuntu isn't very practical on headless server. [11:22] DesktopBSD will probably be thrashed if there's no surprise problems with Kubuntu. [11:22] Thardas: thats why it has a 'server' install :P [11:23] nikkia: "iriver 's warranty covers only those defects which arise as a result of normal use of the product" :/ [11:23] apokryphos: ? [11:23] apokryphos: oh, you blew it up then ? [11:23] But this a probably designed to fit the needs of desktop user. I think I'll stick with Gentoo on my server. It's a file server at the same time so I don't like experimenting with it. :) [11:24] and in particular, not ones "which has been subjected to unusual physical or electrical stress, misuse, abuse, power shortage, or negligence" [11:24] oh well, now its easy to justify buying that iAudio you were drooling over just minutes before 'accidently' plugging in the wrong PSU :P === edvardas [n=edvardas@85.206.120.160] has joined #kubuntu [11:24] nikkia: it's like it blew up without an explosion. Could it be any worse! [11:24] how to extract rar and zip files with console? [11:24] I couldn't do it with a clear conscience; that's a lot of money wasted on MP3 players. I could be... buying sweets! [11:25] edrex: sudo apt-get install unrar and sudo apt-get install unzip :) === Xaeramus [n=Xaeramus@pool-141-155-14-177.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:25] edvardas: even [11:25] or sudo apt-get install unrar unzip :P [11:25] apokryphos: you can chain? didn't know that, rarely use apt-get anyway [11:25] yup [11:25] so it will just install rar and zip, but how to extract files with console? [11:26] edvardas: 'unzip file.zip' and 'unrar x file.rar' [11:26] man unrar ; man unzip [11:26] ok thank you [11:26] altho i'm not sure if the command lines for the free unrar and the non-free unrar are identical [11:27] nikkia: on the other hand, HSBC are sending me a lame mp3 "shortly"; looks like it'll have to suffice [11:27] apokryphos: ah [11:27] finding out you wasted 160 squid is never a good feeling, though :( === KevManU [n=kevin@p5488A560.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [11:27] apokryphos: my bank finally found the 400 i 'paid in' yesterday, so i'm happy [11:27] (paid in at the post office 2 weeks ago, and it got lost somewhere) [11:27] That's like getting tax-back at the end of the year. Great stuff. [11:28] apokryphos: they were real good about it tho, gave me a overdraft extension 'until the money is found' [11:28] (well, extended the interest free portion of my overdraft) [11:28] heh [11:29] Opened a savings account yesterday. I looked online for the deals and it said 6.4%! I go in and the max I can get, really, was 2.4 % :S [11:29] Better than barely nothing, at least. === paines [n=paines@p50891E46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Verlassend"] [11:30] apokryphos: my bank just lowered their interest rates, i think its 3.8% now on a cheque-book account :/ === ThxGiving [i=Cirrus@p5091F08A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:30] not really their fault tho, its the BoE that lowered rates [11:30] nikkia: who you with? [11:30] on the other hand, it means my CC interest dropped to 11.8% from 12.0 [11:30] apokryphos: Cahoot [11:30] hi [11:30] im using ubuntu with kde 3.4.2 [11:30] :| [11:30] got some strange probs [11:31] when i use kdesu it says "su is not in your path" [11:31] when i start konsole.. i get no prompt [11:31] apokryphos: they're a real good bank, except for the fact that being 'internet only' you can only deposit money via the post office, and it takes 3-5 days [11:31] + there are no icons on the desktop! [11:31] *help* [11:31] no icons on the desktop -- not a bad thing, per se. I never have any :P. How did you install? [11:31] apt-get install kdebase [11:31] apt-get install kde-i18n-de [11:32] apt-get install kdm [11:32] ;) [11:32] ThxGiving: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [11:32] ThxGiving: it looks like you've picked up kde from a non-kubuntu repository [11:32] actually from [11:32] ThxGiving: the 'su not on path' thing is suspiciously like you're using a debian/other kdesu [11:32] v [11:32] nikkia: I wasted my work-experience at HSBC bank, and signed up there. Talk about boring. :/ [11:32] ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubunty hoary-updates main [11:32] apokryphos: i, erm, still owe hsbc money :P [11:32] my source ;) [11:33] apokryphos: when i moved to the US, i owed them 1500 in CC bills, and never paid :P [11:33] :-O [11:33] nikkia: how did you manage that? ;-) [11:33] apokryphos: its not hard to 'not pay' something :P [11:33] haven't they tracked you down with their sniffer dogs etc yet? [11:34] does anyone know how to install kdm without the dependend package "kubuntu-default-settings" [11:34] apokryphos: technically, i could have gotten the debt thrown out too - and potentially have hsbc prosecuted for a felony :P [11:34] *g [11:34] ThxGiving: why don't you want it? [11:34] apokryphos: they committed felony acts violating the RICO act in trying to get me to pay [11:35] how exactly? [11:35] ThxGiving: did you install kubuntu-desktop [11:35] apokryphos: called me at 3am and 5am threatening me [11:35] I guess that's a felony act [11:35] apokryphos: counts as threatening and harassing behaviour in attempting to settle a debt, in the US, which is a violation of anti-racketeering laws [11:35] apokryphos: means they fall into the same class as the mafia [11:36] haha === Rondom [n=andreas@mrbg-d9b95997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:36] The world's local mafia. [11:36] two things: [11:37] *i dont want to let everything and anyone know im using Kubuntu --> no kubuntu-default-settings [11:37] i hate brandings [11:37] :/ [11:37] *i dont want install the huge metapackage kubuntu-desktop [11:37] ThxGiving: it's hardly huge [11:37] i dont need many of these packages [11:37] like klaptopdaemon [11:37] or.. [11:37] kpilot [11:37] or.. [11:37] ; [11:38] install KDM and then remove the stuff you don't need, and alter your KDM theme [11:38] ;) [11:38] when you install kubuntu-default-settings.. [11:38] the kde first time wizard [11:38] doesnt show on first login [11:38] thats a problem. [11:38] for me [11:38] re-run it yourself then [11:39] thanx :) [11:39] kpersonalizer [11:39] i make my day [11:39] oups [11:39] u make my day [11:40] lets see if these other packages do work [11:40] whats so wrong about ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubunty [11:40] also, kubuntu-default-settings is technically not a metapackage. [11:40] but kubuntu-desktop [11:41] yes, that is. [11:41] Nothing is wrong with taht link, I presume. Other than the mispelling of Kubuntu :P [11:41] lol [11:41] if you don't wanna install kde by kubuntu-desktop, you should use one of the other methods.... [11:42] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/installingKDE [11:42] i do [11:42] either installing kde or kde-core [11:42] * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE [11:42] im not wondering about the link... but about the content [11:42] thanks apo [11:42] yes; I don't think there's anything wrong with it; it was one of the listed sources [11:43] oky [11:43] i can listen music but i can't change anything not even volume? something is baddly wrong? [11:43] --> arts [11:44] what program for music do you use? [11:44] amarok? [11:44] yes === __Ace__ [n=love@h55l211.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #kubuntu [11:44] sounds like your using the xine engine in amarok [11:44] it has a bug with volume control [11:44] try to switch to arts engine [11:44] i have none engine :/ [11:44] uh? [11:44] I always used xine; never experienced a bug with volume control [11:44] i did ;) [11:44] NONE? [11:45] none...weird [11:45] plus xine sometimes crashes [11:45] well.. [11:45] what do you think about getting the latest.. [11:45] subversion [11:45] how? [11:45] better to just compile 1.3 [11:45] i got a script [11:45] u need to have.. [11:45] though there is a .deb on the forum [11:45] kdebase-dev and kdemultimedia-dev installed [11:46] and more [11:46] no [11:46] ;) [11:46] just that [11:46] ThxGiving: you need X includes, Qt includes -- yes. [11:46] all the other things depends on these [11:46] but they depend on these packages ;) [11:46] do you really think you can install kdebase-dev without having qt? ^^ [11:47] incorrect [11:47] which one of those do you think pulls in the X includes? [11:47] some packages that are in kdebase-dev [11:47] and kdebase doesn't pull in the Qt includes [11:47] not kdebase-dev exactly [11:47] but packages in there [11:47] no [11:47] well anyway [11:48] now i have those... [11:48] okay ;) [11:48] ill send you my script [11:48] tapanim: there's a .deb for 1.3 on the forum -- you're better off trying that [11:48] which language do you need? [11:48] !amarok1.3 [11:48] from memory, amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54 [11:49] english [11:49] and the svn script is from the Wiki [11:49] there are some modifications [11:49] f.e. taking admin not from trunk [11:49] because of its qt4 dependencies [11:49] etc [11:49] they haven't changed that yet? [11:49] odd [11:50] my amarok is 1.2.3 using kde 3.4.2 [11:50] so? [11:50] do you want to have mysql support? === jpatrick [n=patrick@198.Red-81-36-91.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:51] yes [11:51] ok === apokryphos gives up [11:52] trying to send via dcc. [11:52] i could try mail :> [11:52] d [11:52] try now [11:53] thank you [11:53] u need to have libmysqlclient14-dev [11:53] additionally [11:53] the arts engine for amarok will build when you have kdemultimedia-dev installed [11:53] ok [11:54] ah.. i forgot something ^^ [11:54] http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/files/src/taglib-1.4.tar.gz [11:54] u need to have the latest taglib [11:54] get this tarball [11:54] extract it (in /usr/src f.e.) [11:54] do ./configure --prefix=/usr [11:54] make [11:54] make install [11:54] ;) [11:55] copy get-amarok.sh to /usr/src [11:55] and then run it [11:55] and apt-get install subversion ;) [11:55] the script uses subversion to fetch the sources [11:56] if you have any problems/questions just ask me === apokryphos wonders why tapanim doesn't want to enter in one line to get it [11:57] i think because.. every 20 minutes there is a new version of amarok [11:58] ThxGiving: and svn is often broken, and 1.3 was *just* released [11:58] and with this script you can always update your installation [11:58] a bugfix will come, but there won't be another real upgrade for _quite_ some time [11:58] svn is not often broken [11:58] 1.3 rocks [11:58] ;) [11:58] Yes, it is. I use it all the time. [11:58] i use it all the time too [11:58] until a stable comes [11:58] :P [11:59] [K] ubuntu would be speedier with getting the packs out, but there's a *lot* of preparation going into breezy ;-) [12:00] 3.5 debs are being built, too :-O [12:01] :) [12:01] there wont be much changes [12:01] just bugfixes [12:01] the dev say [12:01] i spoke to some [12:01] in 3.5? Quite the contrary. [12:01] mainly bugfixes [12:01] ;) [12:01] Who told you that? It's not true, I use it. [12:02] really? [12:02] what is it like? [12:02] check the features changes on the site [12:02] decent, but not drastic changes like kde4 will see [12:02] bugfixes are 3.4.X versions [12:03] where i find get-amarok.sh? [12:03] well the guy who does kopete said that [12:03] I also don't see "This month in svn" mentioning bugfixes :P [12:03] in your dcc recv folder? [12:03] hes using irssi [12:03] were might that be? [12:03] +h [12:04] find ~ | grep get-amarok.sh [12:04] i find it... [12:04] thx ;) === ilia [n=ilia@212.116.139.141] has joined #kubuntu === ilia is now known as tilix === tilix [n=ilia@212.116.139.141] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === thoreauputic [n=peter@wolax8-238.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === JensK [n=JensK@p54903A4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:10] hmmm [12:11] are SATA150 drives backwards compatible with original SATA ? [12:11] i'm just puzzled as to why maxtor offers SATA150 and SATA versions of their *10 series [12:11] SATA150 is SATA1 [12:12] SATA2 is 300mbyte [12:13] buz, so why do maxtor have SATA and SATA150 versions ? [12:13] can someone type my nick please? [12:13] buz, could the difference be the power connector (molex on 'sata' and 11pin on 'sata150' ? [12:13] thoreauputic no [12:13] nikkia: awww - cruelty! [12:13] :D [12:14] nikkia: do you wear black leather boots and carry a whip too ? *g* [12:15] thoreauputic: yes === thoreauputic runs away [12:15] ;) [12:15] O_o === Rogue_Jedi_Zero [n=roguejed@BSN-77-186-162.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === berkes [n=berub@ip-83-134-59-8.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #kubuntu [12:17] wow, adept (previously "Kapture") is being developed! http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html Great stuff. === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2DDDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2DDDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [12:18] and there's a bounty on it from Kubuntu :D [12:18] hey there. I wonder how long it normally takes before an app like amarok gets updated. [12:18] berkes: normally: a lot quicker than it's taken now; there's just a lot of hype/work for breezy, so devs are busy ;-) [12:19] ah :) [12:19] there is a .deb, however, on the forum; if you want it, LMK. [12:19] so another thing, I want to install kplayer (or even dvd::rip) [12:19] but both require a load of unmet packages. [12:20] you should be able to get them from apt (the unmet dependencies) === nxv_ [n=nxv_@dsl-084-056-084-125.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:20] well, apt-get just gives errors; [12:20] packages that cannot be met. [12:21] sorry, dependencies that cannot be met. [12:21] it doesn't help if we don't know them :P [12:21] libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) maar 0.5.2-3 zal genstalleerd worden === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2DDDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:22] meaning libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) but 0.5.2-3 will be installed [12:23] a *higher* version is to be installed? [12:23] yea. odd. :) [12:24] try sudo apt-get install --reinstall libidn11 [12:24] doing that now. [12:25] I treid to apt-get remove that libidn ,but nearly every package depends on it. So I decided to just leave it :p [12:25] yeah, it's a key pack [12:26] nope. still no luck. same unmet depency. [12:26] I will retry it with only the defailt sources. [12:26] what others do you have? :/ [12:27] um [12:27] ppl [12:27] what if someone cant execute a shellscript [12:27] whats missing ^^ [12:27] build-essential? [12:27] "bad interpreter: No such file or directory" [12:28] for a shellscript? [12:28] echo and so on? [12:28] http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ http://members.westnet.com.au/takahe/debian/testing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ [12:28] berkes: you shouldn't be using marillat [12:28] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343807 [12:28] o.O ;) [12:28] okay. [12:28] ThxGiving: check there isn't a ^M at the end of the line [12:29] ThxGiving: that's what you get when there's no path to bash or something? [12:29] ThxGiving: that gives 'bad interpreter' every time [12:29] oh right [12:29] i edited the file in windows [12:29] berkes: and all other debian repos, too [12:29] kplayer is not found without marilat :( [12:29] ubotu: tell berkes about sources [12:29] your editor can hide the ^M, so you think it looks 'right' but then the linux command loader thing that handles finding intpreters falls over [12:30] berkes: you'll have to compile or find a deb for [K] ubuntu [12:30] tbh, auto line-end detection in editors is as much a curse as a blessing [12:30] okay [12:30] apokryphos: do you actually know mplayer/kplayer? [12:30] mplayer is not kplayer, but yes [12:30] they depend on like fifteen packages :) [12:30] (but based on, yes) [12:31] kplayer is just a wrapper around mplayer [12:31] yes [12:31] berkes, yes, and the marillat ones *do not work* on kubuntu, anymore [12:31] they did once, they don't now [12:31] berkes: You can get mplayer from the repos though [12:31] okay :) [12:31] apokryphos: might need backports for all of the build options, tho [12:31] thanks nikkia [12:31] there's an install guide for mplayer on the wiki... there was an ubotu factoid for it, but someone !forgot it :/ [12:31] it think thats the prob [12:32] istr that the ones in universe/multiverse/wherever, are lacking some options [12:32] what kind of options? I'm not sure. I just use xine + w32codecs and everything works fine [12:32] apokryphos: i'm thinking dvdcss [12:32] can't remember now, it was a while ago i tried [12:33] ah, could be. === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2DDDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [12:35] apokryphos: thanks a lot for the info. I think this will help me forward a lot. [12:35] excellent =) [12:35] someone in here told me to use marilat, but that was months ago. [12:36] but its good to know that there are better alternatives [12:36] yeah, it used to be ok/kind-of-recommended, but it causes problems now [12:36] hmmm, disk prices seem to be in an unward spiral again :/ [12:36] unward=upward [12:36] bad interpreter: No such file or directory [12:36] :-S [12:36] its a simple shellscript === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-238.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [12:37] ThxGiving: can you do something for me... [12:37] check that it's in the appropriate place (the .sh ) [12:37] hum? [12:37] whats an appropriate place for .sh? [12:37] sure nikkia.. [12:38] ThxGiving: never mind, i've changed my mind about whether it'd be usable output or not :) [12:39] hehe [12:39] ive told him to change #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh [12:39] and it works now [12:39] ah, yes [12:39] its /usr/bin/bash :) [12:40] lol [12:40] kubuntu special? [12:40] oor.. [12:40] no, thats where bash usually is [12:40] but /bin/bash does exists on my machine ^^ [12:41] -s [12:41] nikkia: I thought /bin/bash was the standard path for bash? It is here... [12:41] thoreauputic: i don't think so, but i could be wrong [12:42] its like [12:42] output of `which bash` [12:42] i still think it was ^M stuff tho :P [12:42] /bin/bash [12:42] "/bin/false" [12:42] bin bash [12:42] sure [12:42] by editing it, you probably stripped out the ^Ms in the write [12:43] you can actually easily tell the ^M case [12:43] because it messes up the output of the 'bad interpreter:' line [12:43] http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/dists/hoary-extras/ is giving me a lot of 404s. is that just me? [12:44] that's a busted mirror; you should use the miramax (or whatever) one [12:44] !hoary-extras [12:44] hoary-extras is, like, totally, see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [12:44] ah, mirrormax [12:44] okay. thanks. uboto listed the planetmirror ones [12:46] ThxGiving: if the issue is ^M, you get : bad interpreter: No such file or directory [12:46] I modified http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1544 and added mirromax [12:47] replaced planetmiiri with miromax to be precice [12:47] whereas if its a genuine bad intepreter... it should name the interpreter, eg: [12:47] bash: ./unix_test.sh: bin/bashr: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [12:47] berkes: good going [12:47] you are right [12:48] i think that was the issue [12:48] you can also see the stray ^M by doing head -1 file.sh | hexdump -c [12:48] wow [12:49] if its dos encoding, there'll be a \r before the \n [12:49] are you asl x/f/x ? [12:49] ThxGiving: why? [12:49] just yur name [12:49] Umm... On other distros KDE has asked right after the installation if it should mimic Windows with mouse clicking etc. Where is this dialog in Kubuntu? As a long time Windows user its way is the most familiar. [12:50] Thardas: kpersonalizer [12:50] Thardas: it isn't run on kubuntu, because a .kde directory is created in your home directory by the installer, but you can run that program at any time to change the settings [12:51] Thanks. [12:51] # [12:51] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unsermake/amfile.py", line 1391, in read_deps [12:51] # [12:51] depdir_value = utilities.subst_vars["DEPDIR"] [12:51] ouch [12:53] hello folks === smux [n=smux@home.mescaline.fr] has joined #kubuntu [12:55] mornfall: hi! Adept is good :). Writing an email now with a bit of personal feedback :) === nikkia lols at her weekly project report from the project manager... [12:55] 'test plan MUST be submitted before 15/08/2005' [12:55] apokryphos: check the web, too :) === nikkia looks at kde's clock, uh, yeah [12:56] hehe [12:56] mornfall: the site? Yup. Got the repo for it from there [12:56] apokryphos: yeah, i just updated it with known issues [12:56] apokryphos: you may save some typing that way :-)) [12:57] mornfall: you referring to the Feature Checklist etc? Yeah; noticed some of my thoughts were covered there :) [12:58] apokryphos: yes, and the known bugs and wishes [12:58] Looks really promising; will be finally nice to have something to replace the undeveloped embryonic kynaptic 8) [12:59] known bugs/wish -- right, yup. It's hard to miss. ;-) === trog|odyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:00] that's the idea :) [01:00] mornfall: why the change of name? [01:01] apokryphos: which one? :-) [01:01] kapture -> adept [01:01] personally, i think kapture was a bad name anyway, suggests something 'different', despite the 'apt' in there :) [01:02] if it's going to be used for RPMs hopefully in the future too, though, then an apt name would be problematic anyhow === nikkia imagines the hoards of unwashed mass screaming 'your app doesn't capture video at all, you liar!!!' [01:02] heh [01:03] apokryphos: i don't see apt problematic... it will probably never work without apt (apt-rpm or not) anyway [01:04] apokryphos: well, someone wanted to have libapt-front support poldek as a backend [01:04] oh :/ [01:04] oh what? [01:04] i don't see the problem? [01:04] mornfall: sorry, didn't mean there's a problem. Just "oh" in repsonse to first comment there [01:04] if you wanted it to work with yum or smart, you are out of luck [01:05] I don't ;-), and I don't really care if it supports RPMs etc [01:05] :-) [01:05] apt-rpm comes to mind (and arklinux folk seems to want the support in) [01:05] but yum is plain fucked [01:05] so no thanks :) [01:06] I never used it even when on Fedora === nikkia has bad memories of yum (on yellowdog) [01:06] tried it a few times and just recall running back to apt [01:06] heh [01:06] i'm a fedora developer [01:06] i never use yum [01:06] :-) === tango_ [n=nome@host-84-220-48-30.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos *completely* forgot that apt doesn't necessarily imply .deb === womble_nz [n=dylanc@60-234-136-192.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [01:06] if yum was bad on its native distro, i hate to imagine it on other distros :) [01:06] debian brainwashing 8) [01:07] mornfall: is adept hoped to be in breezy then/ [01:07] apokryphos: it shall be there yes [01:07] nice === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp193-70.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:08] hi [01:08] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343831 [01:08] what the hell is on there.. === nikkia prods at k3b [01:10] hmmm, 8MB/s again, despite choosing 8x [01:14] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839 [01:15] omg his.. machine is really mysterious === Kamping_Kaiser wonders if clicking is safe [01:16] its safe [01:16] i cliked on it too [01:16] and im on WINDOZE === dixi [n=znh@dsl-212-84-153-132.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu === eggi___ [n=einstein@dsl-084-059-208-155.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:17] !znh [01:17] methinks znh is from now known as dixi === tapanim [n=tapani@IP-62-216-120-10.telemail.fi] has joined #kubuntu [01:18] apokryphos: hmm, still writing? :) [01:19] mornfall: still playing around =) === amministratore [n=amminist@host-84-222-60-122.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [01:19] :-) [01:19] is there kiosk in kubuntu? [01:19] apokryphos: hey you still alive:D? [01:19] trying to remember what I like from kpackage etc [01:19] cool, i need input like that :) [01:19] dixi: despite being up so early, I hope so, yes :D [01:20] with apt-cache I've found nothing, even with universe repository... someone? [01:20] apokryphos: xD [01:21] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839 [01:21] any ideas? [01:22] openning MS internet explorer :P [01:22] j/k ofc [01:23] ThxGiving: 404! [01:24] noo [01:24] please help ;) === sorush20 [n=sam@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === MrPoke [n=athul@nat.autoweb.net] has joined #kubuntu === nikkia is starting to see a good reason for NeroLinux :/ [01:25] why [01:26] k3b works like a champ [01:26] buz, UDF support [01:26] never used that [01:26] i'm seeing a few movie DVDs that won't burn as iso [01:26] mornfall: ok, sent a few. =) === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-238.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:27] nikkia: you have the ISOs and you're trying to burn them? [01:27] apokryphos: i have the filesystem contents === GenghisKhan [n=daniel@107.Red-83-45-170.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] apokryphos: ie, AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS === GenghisKhan [n=daniel@107.Red-83-45-170.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-238.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] apokryphos: but they were UDF originally, k3b insists on using ISO for everything [01:28] :S [01:28] apokryphos: once burnt, the filesystem is readable, but nothing can play the video [01:29] i'm guessing something in one of the .VOB fails when it is burnt as ISO === chavo [n=chavo@241.sub-70-217-162.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:30] I wonder why font sizes/style change when using kdesu. What settings would it use exactly? :/ [01:31] (kdesu on kubuntu, that is) [01:31] apokryphos: thanks [01:31] apokryphos: are you using fonts in your user font dir ? [01:31] apokryphos: any chance you could get a better idea how to reproduce that bug? [01:31] nikkia: nope; bitstream vera sans; come by default. [01:32] mornfall: I'll retry again now [01:32] apokryphos: dunno then [01:33] mornfall: also, there needs to be some better type of notification for after you select a package to be installed (after you've hit "Show Details") [01:33] change of colour perhaps. Dunno. :/ [01:33] apokryphos: dude, that install button doesn't work... at all [01:34] and, that brings me to another known bug === martin- [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [01:34] heh, oh, I see -- so it doesn't. [01:34] yup [01:34] the expanded thingy does not update [01:34] automatically [01:35] ah, explains the "Advanced" etc not working too === apokryphos is finding it hard to reproduce the bug [01:36] Immutable :D [01:37] apokryphos: yeah, the button is a bit fucked up i know :D [01:37] someone has kiosk within kubuntu? [01:37] Another wish: when you select multiple amount of packages and show details -> all expand [01:38] apokryphos: i actually went out of my way to do it the other way... (lest someone hits select all -> expand, oooooops) === zzzzzsolt [n=zsolt@amazonas-1475.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #kubuntu [01:38] apokryphos: but i can do that (easy) [01:38] hey [01:38] collapse-all would come in handy. [01:38] Yeah. Cool. === yono [n=yono@202.127.109.50] has joined #kubuntu [01:39] apokryphos: the problem isn't that... the problem is resizing the 25 thousand list items and then creating 25 thousand widgets :( [01:39] it will probably take a minute or two :P [01:39] Heh, and getting all the description etc info. Yeouch. [01:39] i could artificially limit it to have say 50 packages expanded at once [01:39] yeah, good idea. [01:40] but, what to do when user wants to open 51st package [01:40] i can't close anything since it'd move things under mouse which is a nogo [01:40] KCrash! [01:41] that's true [01:41] heh [01:41] moving things under mouse is the most evil thing you can do === apokryphos is glad to not have to make important developer decisions like this :P [01:41] that's why i hate the up-down sidebars [01:41] Need to get 0B/2547B of archives. [01:41] After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used. [01:41] what do you think is wrong with this line from fstab? /dev/hda8 /mnt/shared ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=100 0 2 [01:41] this is not normal? [01:42] I'm still contemplating whether I think displaying details etc. inline is a superior method. [01:42] apokryphos: contemplate as much as you wish, it is not going away :-) [01:42] apokryphos: popups are a no-go, too [01:42] apokryphos: so, what are the options left? [01:42] mornfall: I'm not sure which is better (really) [01:42] the partition exists, it's the one i wanted, the mount point exists, but it keeps complaining the moment i add uid or guid or umask [01:43] but at the moment I probably prefer having a smaller bifurcation [01:43] KPackage style. :-O [01:43] wha? [01:43] That's probably one of the things they got right, IMO. [01:44] mornfall: just the way KPackage handles it, basically. A split. [01:44] ThxGiving it's normal, that means the package is already there, it only has to be unpacked [01:44] apokryphos: oh, no, thanks [01:44] but after apt-get clean?! [01:44] apo.. [01:44] mornfall: no worries ;-) [01:44] tapanims build environment is total messed up! [01:45] +ly [01:45] hehe :) [01:45] ThxGiving: but he only needs to packages :P === Chambers` [n=Thom@64.108.190.120] has joined #kubuntu [01:45] no [01:45] never seen these errors before [01:45] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343831 [01:45] ThxGiving: whatever the error is, have you Googled? [01:45] something is with his unsermake [01:45] sure! [01:46] plus.. He got not /bin/Bash! [01:46] um bash [01:46] apokryphos: i will do a (horizontal) split, but the splitted area will be for filters [01:46] he cant do apt-get install [01:46] ThxGiving: that's standard in Ubuntu [01:46] ThxGiving: oh wait, uppercase B? [01:46] no lowercase [01:46] mornfall: other options for filters? [01:46] apokryphos: btw, dunnow if you found out, but you can get items open/collapse with a single click, on the arrow [01:47] and see this: [01:47] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839 [01:47] Yup, first thing I tried. Convenient. === yono [n=yono@202.127.109.50] has joined #kubuntu [01:48] what do you think is up with him? [01:48] (and if you have a big screen, you can easily open up few packages and compare -- this will be handy when debtags filters hit it) === yono [n=yono@202.127.109.50] has joined #kubuntu [01:48] Indeed. That's a certain advantage of this method [01:48] without clicking back-and-forth to change what's viewed in the fixed-size area for details [01:49] mornfall: re: horizontal split... filters? Advanced features for the filter search? [01:50] apokryphos: there will be a list of active filters, the filter bar at top will go away and the left pane will be freed up for a palette of available filters [01:50] ThxGiving: is he on hoary, for sure? [01:51] oh [01:51] apokryphos: the filter list will show summary of the filters and be expandable like packages, where you can change the filter settings [01:51] hum.. maybe^^ [01:51] ThxGiving: cat /etc/issue [01:51] so what's wrong with this fstab line? /dev/hda8 /mnt/shared ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=100 0 2 [01:51] thanks apo [01:51] won't let me mount it [01:51] zzzzzsolt: is that a quiz? [01:52] no it's a noob's last hope :)) [01:52] zzzzzsolt: i suggest you give us the error message :) [01:52] wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.... etc [01:53] zzzzzsolt: and you are sure /dev/hda8 has an ext2 fs on it, right [01:53] it works until i add uid guid or umask to it [01:53] yep and it1s the right one too [01:53] zzzzzsolt: dang, "bad option" [01:53] zzzzzsolt: it's there :) [01:53] yea, but why? [01:53] uid is a good option? isn't it? [01:54] uid=1000, which is me, guid=100 which is users [01:54] which i am in too [01:54] zzzzzsolt: that's pretty, but there is no uid nor guid option to ext2, is there? [01:54] gid i mean [01:54] i don't know, that's why i'm asking [01:54] zzzzzsolt: you have gid= not guid= [01:55] but there are no such options for ext2 dudes [01:55] yea guid was a typo. ok so there is no such options for ext2 which seems logical. how do i let users write to that partition then? umask won't go either [01:56] zzzzzsolt: mount it without those and do chown -R on it if that's what you want [01:56] mornfall: I can't reproduce that bug; I'll have to keep using it and let you know if I find a method [01:56] zzzzzsolt: man chown, man chmod [01:56] apokryphos: ok, thanks [01:57] apokryphos: (you are the only one to have it seen... well, besides me in development, but i fixed most (obviously not all) of those) [01:57] i chown'ed the mount point already. so if i recusrively chown everything below the problem will go away? [01:57] zzzzzsolt: depends on what is the problem .) [01:58] thanks i'll give it a try [01:58] zzzzzsolt: but mountpoint owner doesn't matter anyway, it's overriden with the mounted fs root owner [01:58] yea, i experienced that. i'll chown it while mounted [02:00] mornfall: would be good to have an option that asks you to go into "Administrator Mode" (or similar) if you want to Commit changes etc [02:00] (so you don't have to restart with kdesu again) [02:01] anyone tried to use the breezy kernel in hoary? I'm lazy compiling the ipw2200 drivers myself and thought i could use the new breezy kernel :) [02:01] morrow: there's a howto on the forum I think somewhere. You could just ugprade to breezy... it's fairly stable now. [02:03] apokryphos: there is a problem with that [02:03] apokryphos: if you change something with adept and someone steps onto the apt db in the meantime and then you lock for commit, you are pretty fucked [02:03] mornfall thanks, everything's fine now [02:03] apokryphos: hmm ok thanks... (will search my backup first. :)) [02:04] apokryphos: it can be solved, but it's completely out of scope for stable-one [02:05] mornfall: quite a pickle I can see, yes. Similar problems with not locking while starting up altogether === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [02:05] mornfall: I imagine if that does get solved, then there won't be a need to run it as root at all? Just have it ask for pass when you select to commit? [02:05] (slight advantage there since apt isn't hogged in the meantime) [02:06] apokryphos: well, you have to lock, merge the changes and then you can commit [02:07] apokryphos: also, that depends on mmap semantics, because it may as well be that it's not solvable with current apt at all [02:07] apokryphos: because if the mmap is shared, any change in it will cause inconsistency in the other instance opening it [02:07] Thinking about it now. Sticky business. [02:07] that means one has to implement read and write lock separately [02:08] hi all, i have an Targus PA088 USB2Serial adapter. How can i adresss the serial port in ubuntu? After pulgging in the adapter i see in dmesg: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [02:08] and you end up needing root for read lock again [02:08] yah [02:08] well, hmm, if the mmap update is done as unlink/recreate/mmap, it could work... i will have to check with apt code [02:09] but it still means apt needs to hold exclusive lock all the time, since it can't merge changes with others in a sane way [02:09] mornfall: what's with the "Currently -1 installed" etc? [02:09] apokryphos: see web :) [02:09] apokryphos: it's not implemented, obviously ;) [02:09] Whoop, sorry, yeah. [02:09] i had to release the alpha at *some* point, you know :-) [02:10] Of course. I can actually install packs and filter search, so it's not too bad at all 8) [02:10] otherwise, the next week i would be still fixing known issues [02:10] anyone? [02:11] mornfall: they haven't given you the greatest amount of time, have they? ;-) Is it enough, or just a lot more work need to be crammed in? [02:12] apokryphos: well, i will be humming along adding features at a pretty decent rate till beta, and i will probably make it :) [02:12] mornfall: bypassing feature freezes etc :P === apokryphos looks at release schedule again [02:13] apokryphos: of breezy? yeah, breezy freezes can hang themselves [02:13] i don't have time for that [02:13] there will be feature freeze from beta on [02:13] right [02:13] Feature Freeze on August 11th. Seems really early. Perhaps it isn't. === csenger [n=cs@dsl-084-058-172-144.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:14] 3.5 is probably gonna be in Breezy, isn't it? No chance of there being feature freeze in time there =) [02:14] apokryphos: i don't think 3.5 will be in breezy [02:14] apokryphos: only as an additional kubuntu release [02:14] Kind of been wondering why alpha .debs for it have been built... seems like a quasi waste of time to me. :S [02:14] oh === dixi [n=dixi@dsl-212-84-153-132.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu [02:15] hiya [02:15] is there some special kernel for an AMD Athlon XP 2400 ? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:15] probably: 2.6.10-5-k7 [02:15] you think? [02:16] I got XP2800+ :) so...yes [02:16] aight :) [02:16] k7 one, yes. [02:17] kk.. I have an issiue here.. [02:17] my brother is too lazy to give his Geforce Ti 4200, I have currently a Radeon 9600 Pro.. would it be even good as the nvidia one? - I don't think so.. [02:18] On Linux you're better off with NVidia generally, yes. [02:18] blah [02:19] he doesn't give a fuck about me [02:19] I installed ati drivers for my brothers 9800Pro card...worked like a charm [02:19] hmm can you guide me? [02:20] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati [02:20] :) [02:20] You can of course run fine, but for extra fine-tunings Composite etc.. Nvidia is better. Also random other X things which I don't care to remember [02:20] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24763.html and better ones [02:20] I am going to boot on the other kernel first, brb === ronny [i=user2@dD576AE6D.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu [02:24] apokryphos: i have reliably reproduced your bug [02:24] mornfall: nice; steps? === ronny is now known as _ronny_ [02:25] apokryphos: resize to wide, open up 2 (or more) packages close together, resize to narrow [02:25] apokryphos: the extenders are recomputed in wrong order, i bet === _ronny_ [i=user2@dD576AE6D.access.telenet.be] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === kainos [n=kainos@210.213.149.126] has joined #kubuntu [02:27] mornfall: that doesn't do it for me. Also, I don't think mine involved resizing twice; don't think I did that. :S [02:27] gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled [02:30] apokryphos: well, when you downsize with many open packages, it happens [02:30] apokryphos: i just say resize wide to have enough place to downsize then [02:30] mornfall: what's weird about the screeny, now that I look at it, is that "alexandria" is in there, while I'm at Z... [02:30] now that's really weird [02:30] hmm [02:30] Heh, I can't reproduce with resizing. Nevermind. [02:31] blah :-) [02:31] gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled [02:33] other Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? [02:33] mornfall: I wish I was keeping track of what I was doing originally now oO === kainos is now known as katrina [02:35] apokryphos: no matter, it will be found and fixed at some point, sooner or later :) [02:35] gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled === phreakys_ [n=phreakys@dsl236-68-100.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu [02:36] hi [02:36] anyone knows if there are opengl2 drivers for linux? [02:37] oh well, i was about to answer him too :P [02:38] (the 7xxx series (apart from the first) nvidia drivers are opengl 2.0) [02:39] hum.. [02:39] does anyone know if kde 342 is available for arch amd64? [02:39] with kubuntu? [02:39] ThxGiving: there are no packages or it AFAIK, yet. [02:39] well [02:40] what is this 64 bit hype all about [02:40] its hard enought to get drivers for 32bit [02:40] -t [02:40] ThxGiving: speed [02:40] not really. [02:41] capacity [02:41] its much worse with windows x64 [02:41] i got a dlink wifi card [02:41] and those people are too lazy to adapt their source [02:41] ThxGiving: not really speed difference? o_O I beg to differ [02:41] its just a little change actually [02:42] Yeah, sure... [02:42] how much faster do you think is it? [02:44] maybe the big difference is just the ability to adress much more data [02:44] +d [02:44] monring === martin- [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [02:50] hi jjesse :) [02:50] whats going on apokryphos === _vendor [n=vendor@p54990656.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [02:51] jjesse: nothing too much. Awaiting for family to arrive tomorrow; been trying out Adept today (great stuff), mainly. [02:51] apokryphos: i didn't like adept it didn't seem to work correctly for me [02:52] jjesse: you tried the alpha? [02:52] released yesterday [02:52] mornfall was looking for people to test it in the channel yesterday [02:52] Yup. There's still a few bugs floating about, but it's looking promising. =) === hopeng [n=felix@202.155.151.205] has joined #kubuntu [02:53] it wasn't showing me a list of the packages i had installed whe i tried to filter for it, but yes it does look promising === Hobbsee [n=chatzill@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [02:53] jjesse: how's documentation stuff going? Finished for now? [02:54] apokryphos: not finished but its comming [02:54] this past weekend didn't get anything writter as in-laws were in town and we were wokring on the house [02:54] is adept going in breezy +1? [02:54] :) [02:54] jjesse: it's going to be in breezy, yes. [02:55] +1? The name of the extra? === hussam [n=hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu [02:55] +1 the first one past breezy [02:55] in the doc group we refer to the release after breezy as breezy +1 [02:55] ah, ok. === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [02:55] jjesse: it'll be into breezy, itself [02:56] will have to change the section on installing software then [02:57] jjesse: there was a whole Kynaptic doc, eh? Kind of a shame :( [02:57] not a whole doc, just a secton in the kquickguide and user guide [02:57] apokryphos: btw a preview of the docs can be found at http://lnix.net/~froud/ [02:57] Oh.. there used to be one [02:58] Yeah, got that link. Took a preview a few days ago [02:58] feel free to comment on changes that need to be made [02:58] or make them yourself :) [02:59] jjesse: unfortunately have many busy days planned (sister's wedding, Barcelona, Uni). :( [03:00] and I'd hate to commit and not do anything :Z [03:00] grin understand, just trying to get things done in time for freeze :) [03:01] jjesse: most pressing issues? [03:01] hey all. Firewall question: i'm running samba, but otherwise no server-related tasks. I did some port scans, and they all came back that the ports were in stealth mode. The question now: is there any reason why I should be using a firewall, if all the ports are hidden anyway? === Originoo [n=susee@p508DD317.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === Phantom^^ [n=john@82-71-19-153.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === dixi [n=dixi@dsl-212-84-153-132.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] hmz! [03:04] my sources.list is broken [03:04] anyone got a working one? [03:04] !sources [03:04] sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:06] is it known that security.ubuntu... gives some errors? [03:06] ARGH === tango_ [n=nome@host-84-220-48-30.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [03:06] I still can't install nvidia-glx [03:06] what is this shit [03:06] someone...? [03:07] hello! [03:07] ... [03:07] dixi: why u can't install them? [03:07] Originoo: it says it's refered to another package [03:08] Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate [03:08] and my sources.list is still broken (I have that one from !sources) [03:08] apokryphos: that one is shit dude [03:08] dixi: what one? [03:09] from !sources [03:09] it gives me a shit load of errors [03:09] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1807830#post1807830 [03:09] dixi: apt-get update gives errors? [03:09] yep [03:09] dixi: can you pastebin them? [03:09] (you have to setup gpg stuff first, btw) [03:09] !gpg [03:09] it has been said that gpg is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add [03:09] no I don't have any graphical thingy here because I can't install nvidia [03:10] yay it does something now [03:10] anyways does nvidia drivers work on 2.6.10-k7 ? [03:10] yes [03:10] then it should work for me.. [03:12] apokryphos: liar [03:12] Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module [03:13] dixi: Yeah, sure, I'm liar. I was running the exact thing on Hoary... geez. [03:13] I'm hardly a liar if you can't get things setup correctly [03:13] dude [03:13] I've done this many times, and now it suddenly doesn't work anymore [03:13] so it has to be something in ubuntu [03:14] I just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable.. startx doesn't work! [03:14] err, maybe you have to reconfigure your X? === tenco [n=tenco@p549A5E01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:15] that should nvidia-glx-config do [03:15] hi [03:15] and I have as driver 'nvidia' [03:15] anyone used adept already? [03:15] dixi: no [03:15] is it usable? [03:15] apokryphos: then what should it be? [03:15] dixi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:15] tenco: Yes. It's still in Alpha-stage, but it is usable, yes. === Rogue_Jedi_Zero [n=roguejed@BSN-77-186-162.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:16] tenco: worth trying out. You testing it would be appreciated. ;-) [03:16] apokryphos: if its better than kynaptic. kynaptic has no support for the dpkg dialogues and hangs forever when dpkg issues a dialogue === EasterSunshine [n=EasterSu@pool-70-18-41-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:17] tenco: and kynaptic is not getting developed :P [03:17] apokryphos: module nvidia not found? [03:17] apokryphos: o_O [03:17] apokryphos: if adept handles dpkg dialogues correctly, i will test it [03:18] dixi: are you definitely running an nvidia card there? [03:18] tenco: what dialogues, sorry? [03:18] apokryphos: yeah.. a 6600GT [03:18] apokryphos: when the dpkg framework issues questions, that dialogues [03:18] tenco: yes, adept handles dpkg prompts [03:19] dixi: I don't know then; ask in #ubuntu -- it's better for non-kde-related issues. [03:19] ah, ok [03:19] tenco: it also sets debconf frontend to kde -- apt-get install libqt-perl [03:19] tenco: if you install that, the prompts will be graphical when possible [03:19] then, why is kynaptic included in kubuntu by default? i think it does more harm to the user _and_ to the project than good [03:19] mornfall: ok, thanks [03:19] tenco: I probably agree. It's changing in Breezy [03:20] apokryphos: would be good :) [03:20] well, adept is not in hoary, well, because it hit alpha yesterday :-) [03:20] but there are hoary packages, or? [03:21] tenco: Yes. See /topic === wincide [n=nomeansy@21.Red-83-49-252.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:22] ah, sorry :) [03:26] how do i add this deb src in synaptic? [03:26] address: http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/ [03:26] distribution: hoary [03:27] Section: ./ [03:27] but this does not work ?-( === apokryphos never uses synaptic for adding sources [03:27] tenco: dunnow, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list [03:27] http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/dists/hoary/.//binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [03:27] tenco: yeah, synaptic is borked [03:28] tenco: either that, or just leave the section empty [03:28] and use ./ as dist? [03:28] it works for me with other pkg sourcesa [03:28] this is not a dak archive [03:28] it works with apt, further, i don't care :-p [03:28] whats dak? [03:28] debian archive maintenance software [03:29] (familiarly known as katie) [03:29] ah, now it works [03:30] address: http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/hoary [03:30] distribution: (empty) [03:30] Section: ./ [03:30] whatever :) [03:31] uhm, no. [03:31] oh, wait [03:32] it may remove synaptic :P [03:32] not sure tho [03:32] but it wanted to remove aptitude on me on hoary (so i built new aptitude) [03:32] but i didn't think of synaptic or kynaptic [03:32] well, *shrug* [03:34] mornfall: remove synaptic? ok, then test for yourself [03:35] then i will not test it [03:35] i didn't say it will [03:36] but sure, whatever you prefer [03:38] it will [03:39] doesn't on breezy, at least. [03:39] i also dont know why this should be necessary [03:39] tenco: because apt changed incompatibly and apt maintainers don't bump soname [03:39] and adept needs new apt [03:39] simple as that [03:40] ok [03:41] anyway, forget it. i will not rely on alpha-software to manage my packages. aptitude is far too basic [03:44] my konsole doesnt display "-" correctly in manpages [03:45] is this the fault of man? [03:45] no [03:45] change /etc/locale.gen [03:45] to a charset that is not utf8 [03:45] and execute locale-gen [03:46] supported charsets under [03:46] "/usr/share/i18n" === nebyeti [n=nebyeti@adsl-070-155-134-036.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:47] is man the only app that does not handle utf8 correctly? === dargo [n=dargo@245.Red-80-39-84.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:47] aptitude does not too [03:47] modconf too [03:47] menuconfig too [03:47] ;) [03:47] alsamixer too [03:48] links doesn't, OotB, but there is a flag you can set in settings that fixes it [03:48] actually, alsamixer *appears* to work with UTF8, but certain things cause it to seg fault when the locale is UTF8 [03:49] btw, what about zsh? heard that they're working on it. === zzzzsolt [n=zsolt@amazonas-1475.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #kubuntu [03:52] hey again === _derek [n=derek@66.9.7.66] has joined #kubuntu [03:54] i now think ubuntu is better than the original debian [03:54] the install cd supports wlan [03:54] ^^ [03:55] the init scripts are better [03:55] i can make them colorfull :) [03:55] transition to xorg and gcc4 is complete... [03:55] well ok gcc4 maybe not [03:55] i changed from debian to ubuntu because sid and testing is soo unstable right now === kalenedrael [n=kalene@c-24-218-138-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@m176.net85-168-10.noos.fr] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu is now known as Ingenu [04:03] hi, is there any taskmanager in ubuntu (so I can see what's running and how much memory it's consuming) ? [04:04] grrrrr === nikkia is really starting to hate artists [04:04] Ingenu: ctrl-escape [04:05] top... [04:05] or ps aux [04:05] in a console [04:05] or.. [04:05] theres a "performance monitor" from kde [04:07] indeed [04:07] thx === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:07] any idea why the liveDVD doesn't want to mount my NTFS drives ? [04:07] ThxGiving: and what exactly is wrong with the KDE Task Manager that you get with ctrl-escape ? [04:07] neat === nebyeti [n=nebyeti@adsl-070-155-134-036.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:07] like in windows [04:07] anyway for the drive mounting and liveDVD ? [04:07] nothing, i think [04:07] i didnt know that too [04:07] ctrl+escp [04:07] nice to know [04:07] thanx! [04:08] well see ya all ;) [04:08] cya [04:08] thanks for yur help & support :) [04:11] why do artists need to be so retarded?? [04:11] artist: 'why is the font different on the chip from the chip selector?? they should look the same!! fix it!' === blur [n=blur@cpe-69-202-129-93.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:12] me: 'well, maybe if you hadn't used a serif font on the font to draw on the chips, and one 2 points bigger, than the sans-serif font on the selector...' === mikl [n=mikkel@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #Kubuntu === blur [n=blur@cpe-69-202-129-93.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === apokryphos rediscovers Porecelain font -- great stuff. 8) === hussam [n=hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu [04:13] apokryphos: am i wrong to think that if you want fonts in two places to look the same, you use the same font family and size?? [04:13] nikkia: you're fixing the artist's work? :| [04:14] nikkia: sounds like a disease of a thought. Where did you get that from? [04:14] apokryphos: yeah, having to ask the f'ing graphics engine to scale his fonts by different amounts on X and Y to adjust for his ineptitude [04:14] hehe [04:14] it'll still be serif in one place, and sans-serif in another, mind you [04:14] no amount of f'ing scaling is gonna change that! [04:14] when they're arrogant about it it's worse, too :| === are [n=are@195.204.224.245] has joined #kubuntu [04:15] apokryphos: i've yet to meet an artist that isn't arrogant about it [04:15] mmmh [04:15] why is Kaffeine crashing with anything I throw at it ? [04:15] 'my work is perfect, you're not displaying it right!' [04:15] DivX/OGM [04:15] using kubuntu liveDVD, accessing DVD file (another drive) === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:16] nikkia: ergh [04:17] apokryphos: to be fair, at least this artist is wiillng to understand the digital medium [04:17] nikkia: thoreauputic here is not an arrogant artist :P [04:18] the last artist i worked with, wanted to send everything is flat BMP files, expecting me to recover layering and transparency [04:18] he must be a fake-artist [04:18] s/is/as/ [04:18] Never worked with BMPs properly [04:19] seemed like an ugly format; might be good for you real editors [04:19] apokryphos: I don't deal with 1337 computer geeks - i use real paint ;) === sproingie [i=foobar@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:20] thoreauputic: i bet YOU get the concept that if you want fonts to look the same, they must be the same family and size tho :P [04:20] ah yes, not a real artist (or, too real an artist). :P [04:21] nikkia: I'm not a graphic artist: i'm a painter and sculptor :) === halibetlector [n=blur@cpe-69-202-129-93.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:21] apokryphos: a rather amusing story about artist incompetance... i once asked our previous artist if he could supply the image in a resolution of 1024x768 instead.... [04:21] his 800x600 image came back next time at something like 34,000x18,000 - with a DPI of 1024x768 === halibetlector [n=blur@cpe-69-202-129-93.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:22] hahaha [04:23] nikkia: that'll teach you to do requests in the future :P [04:23] hmmm - i admit I would have understood *that* one *grin* === smux [n=smux@home.mescaline.fr] has joined #kubuntu [04:23] apokryphos: i could forgive the mistake, except for the fact he was working for a software company, and should know basic computing concepts :P [04:24] thoreauputic: you're being slowly brainwashed [04:24] they're inculcating to make you think like them [04:24] come back to the light Frodo! [04:24] apokryphos: I did it all by myself, I'm afraid ;) === nebyeti [n=nebyeti@adsl-070-155-134-036.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:24] thoreauputic: but...the one ring.... === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:25] well you did say *resolution* of 1024x768 and not *dimensions* ... [04:25] sounds like malicious compliance [04:26] sproingie: see, that was his argument, damned artists! [04:26] I still don't like the gimp or photoshop - I always have an insane urge to reach into the screen and apply a brushful of oil paint ;-) [04:26] betcha it was a mighty detailed pic === nikkia glares at sproingie [04:26] sproingie: yeah, the scaled up pixels were darned purty! === tanghus_away is now known as tanghus [04:27] nikkia: bloody technoids! [04:27] oh he just scaled it up, eh? === thoreauputic runs === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:27] sproingie: as far as i could tell, he went into photoshop, changed the DPI and hit 'rescale' :P === jpatrick [n=patrick@198.Red-81-36-91.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:27] You can run, but you cannot hide # [04:27] thoreauputic: as i said, i'd forgive the mistake from a regular 'work with canvas' artist [04:27] apokryphos: resistance is futile, etc etc [04:28] malicious compliance. eh you could just rescale his art and when he complains about how it looks, it's his fault [04:28] thoreauputic: precisely; nail on the head. [04:28] thoreauputic: but when you work for a software company, basic non-understanding of these issues is unforgivable, IMO [04:28] Does anyone know how I can make the apps on the taskbar transparent? [04:28] nikkia: heh - here I am on linux IRC when i should be painting... [04:28] nikkia: I'm just kidding around [04:28] jpatrick: the buttons? i think you have to wait for the next kicker version to get that [04:28] damn [04:29] I thought I saw a screenshot with the apps buttons transparent :/ [04:30] sure that wasn't a 4.0 preview? [04:30] i've only seen the background transparent [04:31] Not sure [04:31] sproingie: there is a replacement taskbar applet that does it [04:31] ktaskbar2 ? something like that [04:31] where? [04:32] jpatrick: no idea *where*, but kde-look probably could provide insights [04:32] Nothing good from Google [04:33] taskbar v2 -- yes [04:33] there's an ubuntu pack, I *think* [04:33] thats the one [04:33] Ah [04:34] there was nothing on KDE-Apps or Looks [04:34] jpatrick, its there, i just misremembered the name [04:34] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=25615 [04:34] i did imply i wasn't sure about it being called ktaskbar2 :) [04:34] prefect [04:35] 3.5 is gonna be transparent as an option [04:35] Will it replace the current one? [04:35] The new Kicker will, of course, yes. But it won't be transparent by default, no. [04:36] It will === nikkia doesn't want transparent === nikkia wants flat, tho [04:36] jpatrick: ? [04:36] well, s/flat/non-buttony/ === garmasthi [n=garmasth@adsl-218-69.37-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu [04:36] I like transparent because it doesn't look like the taskbar is such an external entity [04:36] apokryphos: actually, someone did say it would be trans. by default, but i can't remember who [04:37] Hello people! [04:37] Is there anyone that can help? [04:37] apokryphos: i don't like transparent, but i want it to look like its part of the panel, without ugly buttony bits :) [04:37] nikkia: quite sure it won't be [04:37] apokryphos: further evidence that I'm turning into a nerd - I actually *like* the "minimal" them in fluxbox.. *shudder* [04:37] :D [04:37] I've got problem installing package [04:37] s/them/theme === nikkia installs taskbar v2 [04:38] yes, the default taskbar v2 look is how i want it! === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D2BA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === garmasthi looking for attention [04:38] please [04:38] hmmm, not sure about the preview popups tho [04:39] which programm does OOo use for spellchecking? aspell, ispell,...? [04:39] garmasthi: which package? [04:39] tenco, aspell, i believe [04:39] tenco, i remember installing aspell around the same time as OOo 2 beta [04:39] i remember, because i messed up and dl'ed the wrong version dictionary first time around === _ali [n=ali@218.208.245.114] has joined #kubuntu [04:40] taskbar v2 = sweet === _ali is now known as alie [04:41] jpatrick, i'm not sure about the preview tooltips tho... [04:41] jpatrick, feels a little 'slow' at times, but i might grow accustomed to it [04:41] previews windows [04:41] not bad [04:41] i have 1.1.4 here. phps myspell? [04:41] thoreauputic: yes, clear symptoms [04:42] nikkia: now just set it to "transparent" [04:42] apokryphos: no [04:42] 8) [04:42] Where's it's config? [04:43] jpatrick, same place as usual, right click on the v by the taskbar, and select 'Taskbar v2 Menu/Advanced Options' [04:43] oh yeah [04:43] by 'v' i mean the downward pointing arrow thing [04:43] and left mouse works too, i guess === apokryphos got his accommodation info [04:43] Staying in Intercollegiate === regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:45] How I can get KGet and Kdevelop? === damyan_ [n=damyan@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu [04:45] garmasthi: apt [04:45] garmasthi: open the konsole and do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 [04:46] and: sudo apt-get install kget :p [04:47] apokryphos: http://interlink.webhop.org/nerdscreen.png ,-- is there any hope for me? I even uploaded it from CLi with the lftp command! [04:47] garmasthi: just use apt, yes [04:47] but first I must download it, :D [04:47] that's what apt does [04:48] thoreauputic: I must confess, it looks quite nice :) [04:48] heheh :) [04:48] looks to bucky [04:48] bucky? [04:48] opss [04:48] it tell me: impossible to find Kget... [04:48] not my personal style, but it's not fugly by any means :P [04:48] what's that? [04:48] typo :p [04:49] garmasthi: enable the Universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get update [04:49] sudo aptitude install kget [04:49] aaaa [04:49] !repos [04:49] rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 === _JakubS [n=qba@ain131.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [04:50] http://nikki.sexadelic.com/~nikki/desktop.png <- my rather plain looking desktop :P === znh [n=dixi@dsl-212-84-153-132.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu [04:50] what kernel versions can I use with a Amd Atlhon XP (except k7)? [04:51] thanks a lot everyone [04:51] znh, i386, i586 and i686 [04:51] nikkia, hi m8 [04:51] k6 might work, too [04:51] nikkia, does i686 support more then 900MB of ram? [04:51] (i think i686 works for XP, since the XP has SSE doesn't it ?) [04:51] znh: yes [04:52] horay! [04:52] nikkia: those desktop icons is a definite no-no for me :P [04:52] nvidia doesn't seems to work with k7 I heard :/ [04:52] i think i386 is the only one with the limit [04:52] and desktops.. 12! Heh; nearly had forgot. :P [04:52] znh: it does [04:52] http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1673/snapshot45dy.png <- my desktop some time ago [04:53] apokryphos: most of which are empty atm, because i hava java running on desktop 3, so mail, and lots of other stuff are closed to save ram :/ [04:53] apokryphos, maybe thte newer version doesn't === __P__3 [n=princosc@host-84-220-137-8.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [04:53] nikkia: and huge IRC :P [04:53] i've got another noob's question [04:53] garmasthi: fire away [04:53] garmasthi, feel free to ask [04:53] jpatrick: very nice; much closer to my market :) === apokryphos feels inclined to share too [04:53] jpatrick: dear god, all those superkaramba themes starting sucking my CPU away just viewing the image!! :P [04:53] i'm using [04:53] a user account, but I need to use root account [04:53] nikkia, apo: :D [04:54] garmasthi, okay, typ 'su' in a terminal ;) [04:54] http://giannaros.org/desktop.png [04:54] any news about kde 3.4.2 for athlon64? [04:54] I admit, I often include SK to make a pretty screeny;-), but I have actually left them on lately [04:54] :( [04:54] i've been waiting for weeks :( [04:54] znh: I thought it was sudo su [04:54] Poromies: probably not going to happen, unfortunately, I think. [04:54] yes, but the problem is: when I install nobody ask which should be the root pass [04:55] there isn't one [04:55] jpatrick, eh.. yea sudo would do.. but su would be root.. sudo is just a proxy to root [04:55] clearly i have the most dull desktop :P [04:55] it your password [04:55] nikkia: perhaps the ugliest one, too :P [04:55] it's* [04:55] I should get the prize for the cleanest, at least! [04:55] helllo [04:55] hell* [04:55] garmasthi, typ sudo passwd, to configure a root password [04:55] mine has kubuntu on it [04:56] ;) [04:56] jpatrick: that's right; put it where it hurts ;-) [04:56] jpatrick: my background, that you can't really see in the screenshot, is a tweaked version of the ubuntu background :P [04:56] I think that I cant explain [04:56] IEWW bird crap on my mouse [04:56] sorry for my bad english, I'm italian -_- [04:57] garmasthi, well then start learning english in IRC! [04:57] nikkia: ancient icon theme; join us in the 21st century 8) [04:57] apokryphos: ancient? its the 'Kids' theme from KDE [04:57] I have Crystal Clear [04:57] one thing that can be said - no two linux desktops ever seem to look alike :) [04:57] THANK YOU!!!!! [04:57] I can feel the wrinkles from here [04:58] I've resolved problem! [04:58] thoreauputic: indeed. On a forum people posted their desktops, and they were *all* the same exactly except background. Compare that to Linux :P [04:58] apokryphos: bloody students! [04:59] nikkia: Crystal clear is good, you should try that. All the RAD are excellent too. "Kids" is limited :P [04:59] The changes I've made is add KoolDock and move Kicker to the top and remove the SK them at the buttom [04:59] or any Amaranth icons [04:59] Docks always got annoying for me after a while [04:59] KoolDock's okay [05:00] Kxdocker is probably better, isn't it? [05:00] kooldock is more simplistic though. === apokryphos scratches head [05:00] anybody knows where on the hard disk does firestarter store the event logs? [05:00] good bye friends, thanks a lot for your usefull help! [05:00] adieu! [05:00] I didn't quite like KSmoothDock [05:00] apokryphos, ieww bugs on your head === garmasthi [n=garmasth@adsl-218-69.37-151.net24.it] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:01] jpatrick, i noticed i was the only one using the panel at the top of the screen :) [05:01] znh: wherewhathow! [05:01] too much time using macos i spose [05:01] nikkia: closset-gnome user === znh gets a hammer, and smashes apokryphos on his head; bugs killed [05:01] :O [05:01] apokryphos: gnome copied it from apple, who came up with it after investing money in determining the best place for menus :P [05:02] znh, its the bugs IN apokryphos's head i worry about :P [05:02] nikkia: I can picture them now having monkeys working on typewriters around the clock to determine that [05:02] although, sometimes, they seem to have a moderating effect on his sanity :P [05:02] nikkia, that's why God has bugzilla too [05:02] Hard to have an affect on my sanity... of all the things I've lost, the one I miss most is my sanity ;-) [05:02] znh: he doesn't use Malone? [05:03] rumour has it: he does [05:03] xd [05:03] znh, that's scary [05:03] nikkia, yeah sorry === karlo [n=karlo@host15-158.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu === nikkia has a hatred for bugzilla [05:04] http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5538/snapshot78qt.png <- :p [05:04] used to have problems with it, slightly, with Konq, but those seem to have disappeared some time ago now [05:04] jpatrick: dark theme out of sync there :P [05:04] 'zarro boogs found' makes me want to kill people [05:05] apokryphos: I know [05:05] jpatrick: for a real dark theme http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=25999 :P [05:05] jpatrick: don't like the black at all [05:05] ola [05:05] nikkia: I find black to not really be usable at all [05:05] annoys me after a couple days max [05:05] apokryphos: same here [05:06] some don't survive without it though. The dark is kinda depressing, for me anyway; need something bright [05:06] It's a bit annoying in KDevelop [05:06] it looks alright on shell windows tho, but thats my old-fart-ness kicking in again [05:06] and needless to say, loading a white webpage is not easy on the eyes. Too quick a switch. [05:06] a shell isn't a shell unless its orange, green or white, on black, to me :) [05:06] nikkia: yes, yes it is. 8) [05:07] :/ [05:07] Terminal seems like it doesn't belong when it's black and everything's white. Only the old fogies who keep that in KDE [05:07] apokryphos: actually, i like that [05:07] nikkia: what? [05:07] apokryphos: the 'not quite fitting' is what i like about having shells have a black bg [05:08] hehe; that power feel [05:08] apokryphos: it helps me find a shell visually, and sort of makes it stand out as a non-GUI app [05:08] you should make all your apps different colours, then [05:08] no, that'd just be ugly [05:09] and yet so colourful! [05:09] There are some *ugly* screenshots on kdelook, I'm sad to say [05:09] some who think really, really bright oranges, yellows, greens and purples makes a good combination [05:09] apokryphos: i just buy a bag of skittles when i want colourful :P [05:10] or Vimto === garmasthi [n=garmasth@adsl-218-69.37-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu [05:10] the fruitiest word [05:10] HI, i'm here again [05:10] apokryphos: i find it hard to drink anything purple, after a rather embarassing situation that arose at uni [05:10] garmasthi: hello === apokryphos awaits a good listen [05:11] apokryphos: got drunk on merrydown&black, work up to a room that looked like an axe murderer had been playing [05:11] why Kubuntu says to me that I cant login as root?? [05:11] You can't [05:11] why? [05:11] it's not enabled [05:11] nikkia: hah! What happened exactly? [05:11] apokryphos: i threw up, lots of blood-coloured fluids [05:12] *no-one knows* [05:12] in kubuntu nobody can login as root? [05:12] garmasthi: you don't want to enable it [05:12] k, now the problem is [05:12] nikkia: yikes [05:12] apokryphos: the cleaners weren't too impressed [05:13] i have to modify sources.list, but I must be root [05:13] nikkia: I'm told in my halls there's a cleaner every week. Heh. [05:13] garmasthi: right-click it then > Actions > edit as root [05:13] garmasthi: alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list [05:13] ..or that, if you have it. [05:13] apokryphos: only until the first time you get caught masturbating, after that, they visit your room far less often :P [05:13] or that too^ === martin- [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [05:14] lol [05:14] its simple [05:14] tanks!!!!!!! [05:14] nikkia: Will have to put an alarm for the exact time ;-) [05:14] ehmmmm thanks! [05:14] nikkia: unless they come at random times. :-O [05:14] "surprise of the week"... except there's no prize. [05:14] yeah === apokryphos reads on to the T&C [05:16] nikkia: 4,100 for the year :/ [05:16] wish my rent was that low :/ [05:17] actually, that is surprisingly high, for what you're likely to get, really [05:17] bad for a poor student like mee [05:17] ehm.... shame on ME... but anyone could repeat my HOW install newpackage like Kget?? :D [05:17] Shame on me... [05:17] it works out to something like 500/mo assuming 8 months/year [05:17] garmasthi: open the konsole and type: sudo apt-get install [05:18] Aaaa [05:18] jpatrick: he needs Universe [05:18] (i dunno about you, but we were expected to vacate the place for holidays, and had to pay extra if we wanted to stay) [05:18] i've wrote: sumo apt-get install etc... [05:18] apokryphos: he just wanted to know how to do it [05:18] I think [05:18] nikkia: yeah, we have to too. === edrex is now known as edrex-work_yawn [05:20] nikkia: connections are provided through JANET system. I hope it's not slow === JensK [n=JensK@p54903DBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:21] apokryphos: I think that's why he wanted to know how to edit his sources.list [05:22] jpatrick: Yeah. KGet is in Universe [05:22] so he edited his sources.list to enable it [05:22] long terms and conditions for Internet use. Interesting. [05:22] jpatrick: excellent [05:24] apokryphos: JANET isn't slow, but i'm not sure how modernised it is [05:24] apokryphos: last time i used JANET, it still used CPAD addresses for everything [05:24] and that was only 11 years ago [05:24] nikkia: I heard a rumour (hopefully) that it has just a 10 megabit for the whole thing [05:25] doesn't seem to mention speed here [05:25] apokryphos: for all of JANET? or for the uni->JANET connection ? [05:25] uni [05:26] ah, it wouldn't surprise me, despite all their crowing, unis always seem to be at least 5 years behind on connection speed :P [05:26] ours was an 'amazing' 9600 baud [05:27] apokryphos: which uni did you say it was you're going to ? === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp242-56.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:27] "There is no objection to small removable items such as cushions, providing they carry a British kite mark"... err, *what*. Hah. [05:27] nikkia: King's === KabelKasper [n=vloechte@i5387DFEF.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [05:30] Ich hre gerade diese Musik: Broken imaginary time von The Soundtrack of Our Lives auf Behind the music === bram85 [n=bram@dsl69-31-100.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu [05:30] hi, is KUbuntu's logo (seen on the main page of kubuntu.org) GPL licenced? [05:30] anyone here have Gadu-Gadu? :p [05:31] is there a way to make a screencapture with a cron run? [05:32] bram85: probably not; SVG source is available from the wiki though [05:33] nikkia: note though that Internet stuff is probably not down to King's etc; in fact, I doubt it is. They don't have Internet connections in their main halls :| === KabelKasper [n=vloechte@i5387DFEF.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] === apokryphos jogs off to get food === smudo [n=michael@smudette.emjay.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:37] hi all === garmasthi [n=garmasth@adsl-218-69.37-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu [05:37] HI AGAIN!! [05:37] All problems solved! [05:37] I love you all!!! [05:37] bye bye === tango_ [n=nome@host-84-220-48-30.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [05:39] bye === karlo [n=karlo@host15-158.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu === berkes [n=berub@ip-83-134-59-8.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #kubuntu ["http://bler.webschuur.com"] [05:41] is the default k-menu in kubuntu somewhat trimmed or why are a lot of apps not in it by default after a default installation? [05:44] stuff like control center, kmail, kontact etc are not there [05:45] this is with the 3.4.2 version of kde. same with 3.4.0 [05:45] control center is there for me [05:45] me too [05:45] kontact is a button on kicker. not sure why they didn't put it in the k menu [05:46] control center was there on 3.4.0 [05:46] mine must have carried over then [05:46] "in 3.4.0" [05:46] yeah [05:46] kmenuedit isn't there either [05:47] there's a "system' button that has links to settings:/ [05:47] i think settings:/ is favored over kcontrol now [05:48] chakie: kmenuedit = right-click the menu [05:48] i'm rather annoyed that you can't just drag and drop buttons between the menus and kicker [05:48] windows can do that. heck CDE could do that [05:48] jpatrick: ah, yes [05:49] upgrading to 3.4.2 held back the kdepim package. no idea why [05:49] do: sudo apt-get install kdepim [05:49] and it will replace the old one [05:49] 3.4.1 has held back arts from day 1 [05:49] does 3.4.2 fix that? === Almindor [n=Almindor@chello085216134152.chello.sk] has joined #kubuntu [05:50] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [05:50] arts: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 is to be installed [05:50] Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 is to be installed [05:50] :/ === PieD [n=Pierre@ALille-251-1-68-187.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:51] i havent checked sound in months so i don't know if it actually still works [05:51] but it'd be nice to have when i need it [05:51] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [05:51] kdepim: Depends: kleopatra (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2) but it is not going to be installed [05:51] that is odd === Almindor [n=Almindor@chello085216134152.chello.sk] has left #kubuntu ["I] [05:54] kleopatra depend on: dirmngr, gnupg2, gpgsm [05:55] maybe some extra apt sources are needed? [05:55] universe maybe? [05:55] did you dist-upgrade? [05:55] no [05:56] now i did [05:56] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [05:56] kleopatra needs stuff that can't be found === AnHu [n=anton@mnch-d9ba494a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu === bram85 [n=bram@dsl69-31-100.fastxdsl.nl] has left #kubuntu ["Ik] === csenger [n=cs@dsl-084-058-176-212.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === kameron [i=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === kameron [i=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu [] === apokryphos_ [n=dw@host-84-9-108-112.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@12.106.199.110] has joined #kubuntu [06:09] can someone tell me how to get the trash icon onto the desktop and off of the panel. [06:18] where would ubuntu get its hostname from? [06:19] our system refuses to change its hostname [06:19] /etc/hostname === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp198-121.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:20] /etc/hosts as well [06:20] it had a guest hostname that it got via dhcp first. i changed the dhcp server to give out another ip [06:20] but it remembers the first one [06:21] edit the two files to reflect your hostname and then restart network [06:21] i shouldn't have to edit that [06:21] makes dhcp & dns a bit pointless then [06:22] well, /etc/hosts was ok === apokryphos_ is now known as apokryphos === mikl [n=mikkel@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #Kubuntu === _Yann [n=Yann@lns-vlq-3-ren-82-249-133-170.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:25] now that you're talking dns, you might look at /etc/resolv.conf as well, to make sure you have the right nameserver(s) [06:25] that comes via dhcp [06:26] and is ok [06:27] ok, manually editing /etc/hostname and rebooting did the trick [06:27] Er, does anyone have a good 8-port router to reccomend? Mine is about to die [06:27] thanks for the help [06:27] rebooting?! [06:27] well, i work over ssh here, and restarting the network with nfs shares etc didn't work too well... [06:27] Or just pointing out a brand would be of help too [06:28] why did you reboot, you could just /etc/init.d/networking restart [06:28] i did [06:28] that didn't work well, as there were mounted nfs disks [06:28] so it didn't bring up the net back... [06:28] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: netgear ? === _nir [n=nir@bzq-82-81-122-108.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:28] <_nir> hi [06:29] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i've found netgear's switches (their non-home versions anyway) utterly reliable [06:29] chakie: as long as the problem was solved. good luck. [06:29] i just thought that the boot scripts would set /etc/hostname based on dhcp/dns data [06:29] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: not that keen on their home products look tho, and the professional stuff tends to be a bit pricey [06:30] nikkia: Thanks. I have a shitty LevelOne router and it's been fiving me grief for the past few weeks [06:30] *giving [06:30] still a FS108 shouldn't be too pricey [06:30] they run for 19 here [06:30] pax: yeah. thanks for the patience with a kubuntu-n00b [06:30] <_nir> how i can reconf X, just installed kubuntu but the res is very low :) [06:30] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: oh, you want a router? === durruti [n=durruti@HSE-Toronto-ppp189462.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [06:30] nikkia: Yup [06:30] chakie: np :c) === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [06:31] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: well, i'd give their routers a try, never used them, and they're all in the 'home' style, sadly, but still, they're reliable products from their professional series [06:31] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i also like linksys, but i've had more and more problems with them over the last few years (since cisco bought them) and feel a bit weary recommending them anymore [06:31] <_nir> anyone ? [06:32] nikkia: Thanks for the heads up. I was about to look into linksys routers just now, actually [06:32] _nir: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [06:32] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: its a bit of a crap shoot when you look at the lower-end stuff, tbh [06:32] <_nir> thanks :) [06:32] _nir: np :c) [06:32] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: ive had bad experiences with 3com, linksys and dlink, i'm not sure that leaves any of the major 'low end' brands left :/ [06:33] nikkia: Go ahead and add LevelOne to that list [06:33] Hi, I've had Kubuntu installed for a couple of weeks. I've added stuff to my menu before, but last night I was trying to add some programs to the menu and I couldn't save anything. When I clicked on the save icon, or chose "File">"Save", nothing happened. I tried numerous times, closing and re-opening the program, but no changes I make are taking effect. Any ideas what could be happening? [06:33] !resolution [06:33] it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:33] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: never heard of them :) [06:33] <_nir> pax: how i can pass that sudo issue , i really hate it :) , i just want to 'su' like i used to at Debian , is it possible at Ubuntu ? === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.232] has joined #kubuntu [06:33] nikkia: That tells you something, doesn't it? [06:33] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: yep [06:33] _nir: yes it is possible, if you tired of using the pass with sudo, then sudo -i [06:34] _nir: if you would like to enable the root account, then sudo passwd root [06:34] <_nir> kewl :) [06:34] <_nir> many thanks :) [06:34] <_nir> but many :) [06:34] anyone seen "lockd: failed to monitor x.x.x.x" lately? [06:34] np, the resolution wiki page was given to you by ubotu [06:35] nikkia: Just been talking to some people. They seem to think very highly of Asus' routers. Any experience with those? [06:35] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: they're just rebadged stuff, bit of a crap shoot as to which brand you really get [06:36] nikkia: Joy. Well, thanks for the info [06:37] ah, needed "fs-util" [06:37] "nfs-util" === zzzzsolt [n=zsolt@amazonas-1475.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #kubuntu [06:40] hey === durruti [n=durruti@HSE-Toronto-ppp189462.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [06:41] I can't add a network printer <:/ [06:41] samba? [06:42] i've updated to kde 3.4.2 from the kde repo, and got kdevelop 3.2.2 too. kdevelop designer won't start (sigsegv), and 3.2.1 won't install because of circular dependency [06:42] is there a solution to this? kde.org bug report says it's been solved [06:43] kdevelop designer never works here for me >:( === zaudragon [n=mouselik@procrasticus.plus.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:43] hello [06:43] Rogue_Jedi_Zero: you've reminded me that i need another 8 port switch, btw, thanks :) [06:43] pax: I'm trying via IPP === zaudragon needs help [06:44] I was, a while ago, running Kubuntu PPC on a LiveCD, which crashed [06:44] I thien opened Mac OS X, which then panicked on trying to boo [06:44] *boot [06:45] nikkia: I aim to please [06:46] might as well get that SATA HDD i want too [06:47] jpatrick: just matter of editing cupsd.conf isnt it. === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu [06:47] where's that? [06:47] there we go, all ordered [06:47] 1 8-port switch and 1 300GB 16MB cache drive :) [06:47] who has a working kdevelop designer? [06:47] /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ? [06:49] nikkia: your boss is spoiling you :cp [06:51] who has a working kdevelop designer? anybody? mine goes down with sigsegv === zaudragon [n=mouselik@procrasticus.plus.com] has left #kubuntu [] [06:52] Anybody here uses firestarter? If yes, in what location on the hard disk does it store the event logs? === slicslak [n=slicslak@S0106000f66e13f97.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:56] hussam: it logs to syslog === bjv [n=WinNT@neurodermatitis.mei.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:57] anyone here use kdevelop with kubuntu? [06:57] me [06:58] i do not see the 'show line numbers' option under view [06:58] are there some distro specific issues? [06:58] pax: is there a size limit on these logs or so they grow forever? [06:58] did you install KDevelop3? [06:58] bjv does the designer work? [06:59] bjv mine won't even start (sigsegv) [06:59] zzzzsolt: uh.. all i know is that i apt-got kdevelop then worked on getting some of my glfw projects to compile [06:59] bjv: Show Line Numbers = F11 [06:59] and they do compile === ChaKy [n=chaky@83-131-141-218.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu [06:59] bjv well start the designer === bz0b [n=bz0b@ca-glendora-cuda2-c9a-a-48.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:00] hussam: well no, take a look at /var/log/ to see how it works [07:00] maybe im not up on my kdevelop lingo, what does 'starting the designer' mean? === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:00] bjv: did you do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3? [07:01] if it's in the k menu then just go to k menu/dev tools/kdevelop/kdevelop designer [07:01] no i guess i did apt-get install kdevelop [07:01] pax, how is my boss spoiling me ? [07:01] bjv: that's the old verison [07:01] pax, i ordered those things from my own credit card, its called earning a living and having disposable income :P [07:01] oic [07:01] alright, ill remove it and get v3 [07:02] just do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 [07:02] holy crap it just started! :)) but how? [07:02] and it will remove kdevelop [07:02] nikkia: oh, I was under impression he pays for it, you said something about him getting you new boxes [07:02] zzzzsolt: really? [07:02] pax, yeah, he's bought me 2 shuttle-X systems, but i haven't got them yet, my desktop P4 will still be my primary system tho, and it needs a new HDD :) [07:02] jpatrick yea, it says version 0.2 [07:03] (one shuttle will be my server, one will run XP for certain apps) [07:03] Damn I got sigsegv again [07:03] jpatrick i've been trying to force kdevelop 3.2.1 up but it had a circular dependence, however it did something good to kdevdesigner [07:03] nikkia: 2 shuttles! that's spoiling :p [07:04] jpatrich i just added a radiobutton to a form :) oh joy [07:04] >:/ [07:05] lucky [07:05] jpatrick aha! kdevelop is 3.2.1, that's why it works [07:05] pax, they are a project bonus, apparently :P [07:06] pax, although he said he wants to work out something else for a bonus for this project as well [07:06] I have 3.2.2 [07:06] pax, it mostly comes from the fact that I work almost every hour there is, and everyone else has a 'oh well, 5:28pm friday, time to knock off, no more work til monday!' attitude [07:07] jpatrick go get 3.2.1 from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/pool/kdevelop/ === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [07:07] 3.2.2 should be better than 3.2.1 [07:08] bonus! ask him for a red sport car =) [07:08] pax, it also explains why of the two teams working on the same hardware/software combination, their project quite a bit simpler than mine, they've taken over a year so far to get nearly finished, and i'm nearly finished after 3 months :P === kalenedrael [n=kalene@c-24-218-138-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:08] jpatrick "should be". haven't you ever messed up anything while trying to improve it? :) [07:08] (they also have 2 programmers on their team, my team is 'me, and an artist' [07:09] nikkia: sounds like you're getting a red benz coupe [07:09] zzzzsolt: well it's it the upgrade? [07:09] pax, and guess who is more likely to get a decent raise next pay review :) [07:09] nikkia! [07:09] jpatrick all i know is that this works. but it will complain when you dpkg -i it [07:09] dont tell they will [07:09] me* === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #kubuntu [07:10] well thanks for pointing out the correct package name, === apokryphos just realised how the location randomly changed on the kde-clock! Scroll events there. How basic. === bjv [n=WinNT@neurodermatitis.mei.net] has left #kubuntu [] [07:11] apokryphos: urgh, thats horrible [07:12] apokryphos: i always hated the 'configure timezones' page too, because there's no easy way to 'turn everything off, damn it!' [07:12] jpatrick you might also want to try forcing 3.2.1 up then upgrading to 3.2.2, maybe the 3.2.2 debs are missing some important dependency === Xaeramus [n=Xaeramus@pool-141-155-14-177.ny325.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === ORiON [n=orion@cpe-70-117-2-253.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:18] Problem with K-menu: I've had Kubuntu installed for couple weeks. I've added stuff to my menu before, but last night I was trying to add some programs to the menu and I couldn't save anything. When I clicked on the save icon, or chose "File">"Save", nothing happened. I tried numerous times, closing and re-opening the program, but no changes I make are taking effect. Any ideas what could be happening? [07:20] nikkia: I'd just remember checking it every few days and it saying "Moscow". I'd just think.... hey, I didn't change that :P [07:20] apokryphos: *nod* === KevManU_ [n=kevin@p54888B01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [07:21] nikkia: oop, off now for a bit. TTYL. :) === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu === blueyed [n=daniel@i53870F92.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu === shogouki [n=nicolas@AMontpellier-251-1-63-11.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu === spiral [n=spiral@lafilaire-4-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === JensK [n=JensK@p54905179.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:26] hi [07:27] lo === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC1CF5.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [07:28] Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? === vali [n=vali@courbet-2-82-67-127-110.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:29] martin: is that kde 3.4.2 ? [07:31] hmm what can i use to get the dv video from a canon m360i dv camcorder through firewire? === n [n=n@213.78.209.47] has joined #kubuntu [07:32] zzzzsolt: kino === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [07:32] !info kino [07:32] kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.75-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 1293 kB, Installed size: 4092 kB [07:32] Debian has a package called plptools-kde, how do I get this for Ubuntu? [07:33] n: add debian repos to your sources.list [07:33] n: which is unrecommened because they may not work perfectly with ubuntu [07:33] n: alternatevily, if you are knowledgable on building debs, help everyone out and build one for the repos [07:33] easter: yeah, but what if I get the deb source for it (where from?) then compile it myself [07:33] use checkinstall [07:34] n: sounds good [07:35] easter: I can't find where debian package source archives are kept. I've searched the Debian FTP and couldn't find them === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu === gdh [i=foobar@80-192-144-33.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [07:37] n: sry i don't use debian, i dunno where they keep there source repos, maybe ask in #debian === pdrummond [n=pdrummon@81-86-246-185.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:41] hgg === pdrummond [n=pdrummon@81-86-246-185.dsl.pipex.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:46] EasterSunshine: i got kino, looked into prefs and it says the ieee1394 subsystem is not responding === pv_ [n=pv@jt11-57-1.tky.hut.fi] has joined #kubuntu [07:47] i have a pci firewire card with the via controller on it [07:51] looks like i'm lacking rw access, can i chmod /dev/raw1394 ? [07:53] hmm i chmodded it and now it works. somehow this chmodding a device seems strange. what's the proper way to do this? === _are [n=are@195.204.224.245] has joined #kubuntu === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [08:00] zzzzsolt: sry, i never used kino before [08:02] EasterSunshine: i succeded in capturing a bit of video. seems to have frame drops, i'll do further testing to see if it's the video or just the player [08:03] do you know a proper way to enable users to r/w /dev/raw1394 ? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #kubuntu [08:04] hmm playing the dv stream directly seems to be smooth === joebrandt [n=joe@pool-71-100-35-51.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === MarekS [n=mareks@81.15.162.17] has joined #kubuntu [08:08] looks to be your hdd write speed [08:08] on premiere running on windows, i drop about 1 frame in twenty minutes === joebrandt [n=joe@pool-71-100-35-51.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === joebrandt [n=joe@pool-71-100-35-51.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [08:09] i had no problems with windos xp, the target partition is ext2 on a 7200rpm 120 gig seagate barracuda on pri master [08:10] should be able to handle roughly twice as fast streams === ossi [n=ossi@p508FF644.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === _ossi [n=ossi@p508FF644.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === durruti [n=durruti@HSE-Toronto-ppp189462.sympatico.ca] has left #kubuntu [] === _ossi [n=ossi@p508FF644.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === ChaKy [n=chaky@83-131-141-218.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu [08:17] zzzzsolt: maybe a stupid question, but you have enabled DMA on your hard disk? === Tm_T [n=travolta@85-156-131-19.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #kubuntu [08:18] Thardas yes i have. as a matter of fact the hdd is quite happy with the stream. i get no dropped frames. it's noatun. can't play the stream back properly [08:19] Strange. === Chambers` [n=Thom@64.108.190.120] has joined #kubuntu [08:20] noatun is a piece of crap [08:20] locks up all the time [08:21] I don't like any Linux video player except mplayer and even that's not perfect. [08:22] Kplayer ;-P [08:22] Tm_T: I haven't tried that yet. [08:23] ok something's not right here. 30 seconds of dv should be more than 5 MB [08:24] oh ok :) had to hit refresh, it's 104 MB now === Ex-Cyber [n=excyber@1Cust5260.an3.den10.da.uu.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:24] Hehe. [08:24] Thardas: Kplayer uses Mplayer =) === JensK [n=JensK@p54905179.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [08:26] yes, 104MB is the right size. well i'm surprised how little the hdd had to work while doing this. async i/o is working well in linux [08:26] Tm_T: Yes, I read. [08:26] But it's not the lack of GUI that bothers me with mplayer. [08:27] what can i play a raw dv stream with? [08:28] zzzzsolt: mplayer claims to support it. I can't test myself as I'm on Windows workstation at home. [08:29] i tried to checkinstall mplayer today but had no luck. so i don't have mplayer yet. can you give me a .deb? [08:29] It's installation seems to be a bit complex on Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Debian. [08:30] http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt [08:30] yea i noticed :( [08:32] what do you know :) kino can play its on files [08:32] own [08:32] zzzzsolt: [08:32] that kdevelop thing broke my kdevelop [08:33] jpatrick sorry to hear that but you can still go back to where you started. i know it fixed mine [08:34] zzzzsolt: just gave errors :p [08:34] i used 3.2.1-0ubuntu0hoary2_i386 [08:35] gave me a circular dependence. kdevelop on kdevelop_data and vice versa. but after installing all 3 it works regardless [08:36] and it says 3.2.1 [08:37] oh [08:38] it downloaded a load of other stuff when i said apt-get -f install, maybe that's what fixed it up === grimse [n=grimse@p5481F537.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === _m0ns00n [n=m0ns00n@213.167.96.196] has joined #kubuntu [08:41] <_m0ns00n> Hey [08:41] lo [08:41] <_m0ns00n> Is there a link to a place where I can install the Nvidia 1.0-6111 drivers for ubuntu without hacky patchy means? [08:41] <_m0ns00n> :-) [08:41] <_m0ns00n> (hoary) [08:42] <_m0ns00n> GeForce 4MX isn't supported > 6111 [08:47] <_m0ns00n> I guess it's soon time to buy a new card [08:47] <_m0ns00n> Doesn't look like Nvidia cares for older cards anymore. [08:48] m0ns00n: yep [08:49] jpatrick: i just compiled a qt designer hello world app in 3.2.1, and it works === mabu [n=mabu@cmb32-29.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu === Tm_T [n=travolta@85-156-131-19.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #kubuntu [08:56] how do you compile in KDevelop? [08:56] I always use the command line [08:56] F8 [08:56] then shift+F9 to run [08:57] i'm new to kdevelop, but it seems to work. been missing g++ but i fixed that up === CellarDoor [n=CellarDo@d58-104-21-142.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [08:58] that does nothing^^ === Tm_T [n=travolta@85-156-131-19.elisa-mobile.fi] has left #kubuntu [] [09:00] :/ === CellarDoor [n=CellarDo@d58-104-21-142.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #kubuntu [""Righteousness] === Phantom^^ [n=john@82-71-19-153.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === smux [n=smux@home.mescaline.fr] has joined #kubuntu === flo [n=flo@i577B18A1.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu === trog|odyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu === shogouki [n=nicolas@AMontpellier-251-1-63-11.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu [] === veraz [n=veraz@bzq-82-81-153-42.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:27] hi === aseigo [n=aseigo@kde/aseigo] has joined #kubuntu === veraz just installed kubuntu(and very happy about it), now iv a prob, every time i leave my computer for few min, its stuck ... any explaination ? === veraz [n=veraz@bzq-82-81-153-42.red.bezeqint.net] has left #kubuntu [] === Rondom [i=Rondom@mrbg-d9b9598b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #Kubuntu === gus_ [n=gus@wblv-146-197-94.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu === buz [n=buz@80-218-105-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu === veraz [n=veraz@bzq-218-164-129.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu === gus_ [n=gus@wblv-146-197-94.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [09:37] hi again , did someoe know a solution to my prob ? === _bloody [n=bloody@dsl-084-056-041-069.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === pakos_ [n=akos@158.57-182-adsl-pool.axelero.hu] has joined #kubuntu === tenshiKur0 [n=tenshiKu@S0106000d93cb5211.vc.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu ["--out"] === KWizzard [n=wizzard@chello085216170248.chello.sk] has joined #kubuntu === _rodolfo [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-72-165.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === tools [n=tools@cust-02-E4E1.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #kubuntu === _stef [n=stef@p54ABD929.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:02] Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? === tenshiKur0 [n=tenshiKu@S0106000d93cb5211.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:06] hi all [10:07] question about kde's login === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-1-180.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:07] how do I reset the configuration to the default installed one? [10:07] !reconfigure [10:07] Syntax error in line 1, smudo [10:07] !reinstall [10:07] Bugger all, i dunno, smudo === Tm_T [n=travolta@85-156-131-19.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #kubuntu [10:08] !dpkg [10:08] rumour has it, dpkg is the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb [10:08] !dpkg reconfigure [10:08] smudo: Do they come in packets of five? [10:09] =) === elvirolo [n=elvirolo@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-93-222.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:10] hi all [10:10] could anyone tell me what theme is used in that screenshot : http://masterfangorn.free.fr/weblog/images/screenshot/kdeapps/amarok-moby.png ? [10:10] hi kids [10:11] no ideas ? [10:12] window decoration is probably plastik [10:12] no idea as for the rest [10:12] hum [10:13] ok thanks anyway :) [10:13] lemme see... [10:13] png... takes some time to open, so get some coffee =) [10:14] :-P [10:14] hum, pretty default === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@ool-4354b432.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === wincide [n=nomeansy@21.Red-83-49-252.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === elvirolo [n=elvirolo@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-93-222.adsl.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] === tenshiKur0 [n=tenshiKu@S0106000d93cb5211.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === _bloody [n=bloody@dsl-084-056-041-069.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === sirlordt [n=sirlordt@200.109.128.73] has joined #kubuntu === KWizzard [n=wizzard@chello085216170248.chello.sk] has joined #kubuntu === sirlordt [n=sirlordt@200.109.128.73] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === sirlordt [n=sirlordt@200.109.128.73] has joined #kubuntu === LeXTul [n=lextul@p54B7CCF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === rodolfo_ [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-67-23.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === _rodolfo_ [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-65-25.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [10:45] grrrrrrrrrrr [10:46] this still doesn't work [10:46] I need some help getting my kubuntu installation working. I can't log in. [10:49] anyone? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #kubuntu === _rodolfo__ [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-70-23.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === LeXTul [n=lextul@p54B7CCF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === othernoob [n=othernoo@p54A2DE18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === israel [n=israel@host-200-76-40-46.block.alestra.net.mx] has joined #kubuntu === The_Vox [n=vox@201.130.67.62] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos_ [n=dw@host-87-74-28-147.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu === nxv_ [n=matrix@dsl-084-056-124-217.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:08] smudo: I'm not exactly an expert, but I'll try to help. What seems to be the problem? [11:09] can't log in? [11:09] specify, please :) [11:11] back...sorry === hussam [n=hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu [11:11] I log in through the KDM interface, and it just goes back to the interface after going black. [11:12] I can log in through the alt-n just fine. [11:12] ah [11:12] smudo: #kde [11:12] cool [11:12] I'll try there. [11:12] I think it's very kde-based error [11:12] Last time I was there it was waaaaay too noisy to get my question in. =-) [11:12] thanks [11:13] Use bold [11:13] Damn === _tobias [n=tobias@dsl-213-023-239-099.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:17] <_tobias> hello, i have a usb printer and my os automatically mounts the printer into /dev/usb/lp0 when i turn the printer on. i had the problem that cups couldnt find the printer so i change the rights of the device /dev/usb/lp0 to 755. after that the printer worked perfectly fine. but when i turn the printer off and on again the device /dev/usb/lp0 has the old rights and i cant access to it untill i change the rights. is there any way to permana [11:17] <_tobias> e hotpluging system or something else? === apokryphos__ [n=dw@host-87-74-35-180.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu === _tobias [n=tobias@dsl-213-023-239-099.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === veraz [n=veraz@bzq-80-63-185.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu === veraz [n=veraz@bzq-80-63-185.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu === rodolfo_ [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-79-89.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === fromoze [n=fromoze@81.172.95.222] has joined #kubuntu === _rodolfo_ [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-73-216.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu === _rodolfo_ [n=rodolfo@host-84-220-73-216.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === ray_ [n=ray@c-24-128-148-122.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:33] hello guys [11:34] did you guys here about firefox 1.5? [11:34] ibm is donating a huge chunk of code to help firefox [11:42] . === dominic [n=dominic@i3ED6E030.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu === dominic [n=dominic@i3ED6E030.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [11:45] That was...different === martin [n=martin@h143220.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu === avon [n=avon@dsl-217-155-160-245.zen.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === ray_ [n=ray@c-24-128-148-122.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === _bjorn [n=bjorn@cp725918-a.venlo1.lb.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@ip68-228-56-250.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === _bjorn is now known as Liquidfire-serve [12:03] yay, my kde is working [12:03] =D [12:03] I like it much more then gnome [12:03] :o [12:03] Purty, innit? [12:04] sure [12:04] :D [12:04] now I only wonder why i can't force my x-server screen not good :o [12:04] it can go a max like 200 [12:04] but i can only get 85 [12:04] Oo [12:04] I set everything right === tenco_ [n=tenco@p549A7559.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:05] hello newbie here [12:05] u using kubuntu? [12:05] 5.04 [12:05] who me ? [12:05] I'm guessing most of us are, yes [12:05] I'm using ubuntu [12:05] :o [12:05] um yeah [12:05] with kde [12:05] i'm using doze [12:05] :p [12:06] lynch me [12:06] ubuntu not kubuntu? [12:06] bites EasterSunshine [12:06] whats the diff [12:06] nope [12:06] dunno really lol [12:06] Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? [12:06] ubuntu is gnome, and kubuntu is with kde [12:06] kubuntu more proffesional version :o? [12:06] oh [12:06] =] [12:06] k [12:06] :D [12:06] kde is more windows like [12:06] o [12:06] then gnome [12:07] they have different primary desktop enviornments but you can turn ubuntu to kubuntu by installing kde and removing gnome [12:07] imo [12:07] except it works [12:07] yes [12:07] ;) [12:07] I think i'm going to install kde on my friends pc's [12:07] cool well i'v used a number of diff distros but never ubuntu or kubuntu [12:07] instead of gnome [12:07] im using a live cd now [12:07] ah [12:07] i dont lik it === BTJustice [n=BTJustic@pool-68-238-1-114.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #Kubuntu [12:07] kubuntu and ubuntu are great [12:07] first linux distro i'm using [12:08] Liquidfire-serve: you can't say its great if its the only one you used [12:08] How do you allow root to log into KDE?