[12:10] <tapanim> not so nice... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343422
[12:14] <tapanim> nikkia: it's time to wake up...
[12:22] <tapanim> does anyone know something about that?
[12:35] <Tiggs> im trying to install kubuntu, but i cant get my cd to boot from my usb cdrom drive
[12:36] <Tiggs> is there another way?
[12:41] <_kay> hm... you upgrade only one package
[12:42] <_kay> tapanim: What apt sources did you add?
[12:42] <_kay> And is your disk full
[12:45] <arcanistherogue> hey, on bootup, my system fails at "Setting Sensor limits"
[12:45] <arcanistherogue> what does that do?
[12:46] <_kay> fail in what sense?
[12:48] <mcquaid> hello all
[12:48] <mcquaid> since i upgraded to 3.4.2 kcheckgmail no longer works
[12:48] <mcquaid> anyone else encounter this?
[12:48] <mcquaid> it seems to run fine but never notifies me new mail
[01:29] <_kay> nene
[01:46] <kittychan> how do i set up a scanner in kde?
[01:52] <kittychan> how do you add a scanner under kde?
[02:07] <makk> has anyone messed much with a synaptic touchpad? i cant seem to enable vertical scrolling
[02:08] <arcanistherogue> hey, on bootup, my system fails at "Setting Sensor limits"
[02:08] <_frank> that must be a driver thing... I don't know if kde supports it but maybe
[02:09] <_frank> arcanistherogue: did you install lm-sensors? I think that's what causes this when its not configured right
[02:09] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[02:09] <arcanistherogue> i dont think i did
[02:09] <arcanistherogue> its already in, newest version
[02:10] <arcanistherogue> how do i configure it?
[02:11] <_frank> I think you have to run /usr/sbin/sensors-detect
[02:11] <_frank> and then add the modules it finds to /etc/modules
[02:11] <_frank> This is just from memory and could be completely wrong :-)
[02:12] <arcanistherogue> heh :D
[02:12] <arcanistherogue> I have nothing to lose
[02:13] <_frank> yeah, thats it... sensors-detect even can add the modules to /etc/modules automatically, I just checked mine
[02:13] <arcanistherogue> Do you wan't to add these lines to /etc/modules automatically? (yes/NO)y
[02:13] <arcanistherogue> 8)
[02:14] <_frank> after lm-sensors works, you can use ksensors
[02:14] <_frank> and have your cpu temp or whatever in your system tray
[02:14] <arcanistherogue> say, im having another error you could perhaps help me with... whenever I play games for more than 3 minutes, my computer freezes.  It really stinks, i cant play quake.  would you happen to know what would    cause this? 
[02:14] <_frank> overheating?
[02:14] <arcanistherogue> thats what everyone says?
[02:15] <arcanistherogue> how do i tell the temperature
[02:15] <arcanistherogue> can i see it in Ksensors
[02:15] <arcanistherogue> ?
[02:15] <_frank> umm... it could be your procecessor or your video card
[02:15] <arcanistherogue> Hmmm...
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> They are both pretty good, and I have like 5 fans in my case...
[02:16] <_frank> and some video cards have temperature sensors...
[02:16] <monster> my pc is failing to boot at ... Starting hotplug subsystem
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> say, if i were to touch my CPU, would I burn myself <_<
[02:16] <_frank> monster: do you have anything strange plugged into it? ;-)
[02:17] <monster> nope
[02:17] <_frank> arcanistherogue: you mean the side of the heat sink? it should be bearable
[02:17] <monster> just bought the laptop today
[02:17] <apokryphos> make sure you never try to run your PC without the fan on the CPU -- normally burns in a matter of seconds
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> nifty
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> well ihave a fan and a heatsink
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> one of those combo things
[02:18] <_frank> monster: I don't know... you probably should search for info about your specific laptop on the forums/google
[02:18] <arcanistherogue> how many fans are good?  can you have overkill?  I have 2 in the back, one on top, one near my hard drives, and one on the window.  is that too much?
[02:19] <monster> im trying to disable hotplug from commandline
[02:19] <monster> but nohotplug didnt work
[02:19] <_frank> arcanistherogue: as long as the processor and video card cooling is good enough, the rest should be fine
[02:19] <arcanistherogue> thats pretty nifty
[02:20] <arcanistherogue> how do i tell my CPU temperature?  i want to know if its overheating or not.
[02:20] <_frank> well reboot to get lm-sensors working and that will get the cpu temperature
[02:20] <_frank> if it works well
[02:20] <arcanistherogue> oh, ok
[02:26] <monster> i guess what i need to know is how to disable hotplug at boot
[02:26] <crimsun> use update-rc.d to remove the rc.X symlinks
[02:26] <crimsun> you may well break stuff, though, so be careful
[02:28] <monster> im at grub
[02:29] <monster> any way to run a interactive boot
[02:30] <renzo> holas
[02:30] <renzo> alguien de chile
[02:32] <stinger> hi@all
[02:38] <arcanistherogue> _frank: so, how do i get it to show the temperature with Ksensors again?
[02:43] <arcanistherogue>  nevermind, i got it :D
[02:47] <ray_> is kde based in germany?
[03:13] <monster> anyone know how to disable hotplug via grub
[03:31] <jayparadise> anyone have a /etc/apt/sources link?
[03:32] <jsubl2> !repositories
[03:32] <ubotu> I guess repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:32] <jayparadise> thanks
[03:34] <jsubl2> np
[03:34] <jsubl2> the knows alot if you ask the right questions
[03:34] <jsubl2> the bot rather
[03:34] <jayparadise> hm
[03:34] <jayparadise> should kubuntu come with synaptic?
[03:35] <jsubl2> not sure there.. kynaptic for sure.  but kynaptic is lame imho
[03:35] <jayparadise> yes it is.
[03:35] <jsubl2> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:35] <jayparadise> that link shows you how to update using symaptic
[03:35] <jayparadise> i search using kyn* but it cant find it
[03:36] <jayparadise> and it looks like firefox needs some gtk libs
[03:37] <jayparadise> yo jsubl2 if you dont mind can you msg me your sources
[03:38] <jayparadise> nevermind i think i just had to uncomment some stuff
[03:42] <jsubl2> did that work
[03:44] <jsubl2> msg me  i cant seem to get to you
[03:44] <jsubl2> well actually i am running breezy
[03:45] <jsubl2> ubuntuguide.org is down..
[03:45] <jsubl2> it has a nice copy/paste sources.list
[03:47] <apokryphos> !sources
[03:47] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:47] <jsubl2> jayparadise: check out the paste link
[03:48] <jsubl2> konversation does not seem to msg very well
[04:58] <Pocahontas> Hi
[04:59] <Pocahontas> I forgot  the name of the file I have to edit to change the monitor resolution
[04:59] <Pocahontas> can you tell me were is it?
[04:59] <jsubl2> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:59] <Pocahontas> ok thanks :-)
[05:29] <Spermie> i have a ati in my laptop but the  ati fglrx drivers dont wanna work for me, anyway around this?
[05:30] <crimsun> the fglrx drivers in Warty, Hoary, or Breezy?
[05:31] <Spermie> actaully mepis
[05:31] <crimsun> ...
[05:32] <Spermie> yeah i know, not much help in #mepis. but mepis is just like kubuntu
[05:33] <Spermie> i run kubuntu - mepis - gentoo
[05:34] <crimsun> I'm not familiar w/ MEPIS, so unless you tell me specifically what versions and what configurations are included, I'm afraid I can't help.
[05:41] <trans_err> is KDM broken?
[05:41] <BTJustice> Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)?
[05:43] <redtech> the first time i put in a kubuntu cd, i recieved a message asking me if I wanted to upgrade to kubuntu...  i put the cd in again, now its not asking.  How can I get that message back?
[05:44] <trans_err> redtech: do you just want to upgrade to kubuntu?
[05:44] <trans_err> redtech: err, install kubuntu
[05:45] <redtech> im currently running ubuntu.  I would like to just "upgrade", im assuming my data will remain intact.
[05:46] <pax> redtech: you want to upgrade ubuntu from what to what?
[05:47] <pax> are you trying to get kubuntu (ubuntu + KDE)?
[05:47] <redtech> yes
[05:48] <redtech> im guessing I could just enable the cd for repository and apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?
[05:48] <pax> redtech: in terminal type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:48] <pax> redtech: yes.
[05:48] <redtech> is that all the "Upgrade Message" does?
[05:49] <pax> I'm not familiar with that message or upgrade to kubuntu via CD. but I would guess yes.
[06:24] <supernix> Hiya gang
[06:32] <BTJustice> Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)?
[06:52] <BTJustice> Should I uncomment any other lines in my sources.list file?  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1535
[07:14] <smudo> how do I get XDMCP to run?
[07:14] <smudo> I need to do remote logins on my closed network.
[07:14] <smudo> I edited the kdmrc but may have made a mistake
[07:21] <smudo> hmmm
[07:21] <smudo> nobody here?
[07:23] <smudo> okay...
[07:23] <smudo> well
[07:23] <smudo> ummmm
[07:23] <JeffAMcGee> BTJustice: is ~/.kde/share/config/emailidentities what you're looking for?
[07:27] <JeffAMcGee> well, smudo I've never used XDMCP and no one else has said anything for half an hour.
[07:27] <JeffAMcGee> And I think btjustice is long gone.  He asked a question a while back.
[08:18] <chakie> anyone had problems with tcsh?
[08:18] <chakie> if that's your shell then kdm won't start kde at all, it just directly flashes to black and then restarts
[08:19] <chakie> bash works ok
[08:19] <chakie> no visible evident error in .xsession-errors either
[08:22] <prjkt_trash> newb in need of help
[08:22] <prjkt_trash> *sighs* i feel like such an idiot
[08:25] <prjkt_trash> 1 - cannot find alsaconf, 2 - dont know my own root password
[08:25] <chakie> prjkt_trash: 2) is easy
[08:25] <chakie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:26] <prjkt_trash> chakie: thanks much on that one! that was about as confusing as hell at first
[08:27] <chakie> prjkt_trash: we were looking at the same thing yesterday :)
[08:28] <prjkt_trash> chakie: lol. my major problem is that i have a SB live 24  sound card and even though it automatically installs alsa-base and alsa-utils it cant find the alsaconf command
[08:29] <chakie> our kubuntu has no alsaconf either
[08:29] <prjkt_trash> X(
[08:29] <chakie> maybe you can install "alsaconf"?
[08:30] <prjkt_trash> possibly
[08:30] <prjkt_trash> brb
[08:30] <chakie> there is such a package
[08:33] <prjkt_trash> X(
[08:34] <prjkt_trash> it doesnt rain it pours
[08:34] <prjkt_trash> man i was having better luck with straight up debian
[08:34] <chavo> chakie, just changed my shell to tcsh and started another session, logged in to KDE fine.
[08:34] <prjkt_trash> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:34] <prjkt_trash> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:34] <prjkt_trash> apt-get cant get lock 
[08:36] <chakie> chavo: weird...
[08:36] <prjkt_trash> any ideas on the last problem chakie?
[08:36] <chakie> prjkt_trash: do it as root
[08:36] <prjkt_trash> dide
[08:36] <prjkt_trash> did*
[08:36] <chavo> yeah. I'm not running kubuntu packages though
[08:36] <chavo> running 3.5 alpha, but that probably doesn't matter
[08:36] <prjkt_trash> *smacks forehead* thanks chavo...that just reminded me what i needed to do
[08:37] <chakie> chavo: older kde + kdm have worked ok with tcsh 
[08:37] <prjkt_trash> (with the coment about kpackages)
[08:37] <chavo> konsole wouldn't start in the other session though
[08:37] <chakie> chavo: it's something that happens before kde even gets a chance to begin starting up
[08:38] <chavo> wierd.
[08:38] <chakie> immediately after pressing "enter" in kdm it turn black and restarts. so something maybe tries to run something using tcsh
[08:38] <chavo> I've never used anything but bash either, so can't really say what's going on.
[08:38] <chakie> yeah
[08:39] <chakie> i use bash too, but my wife prefers tcsh
[08:39] <chavo> that's cool
[08:39] <chakie> she's too lazy to learn bash, has used tcsh over 10 years. inertia...
[08:41] <chakie> need to start digging through the x.org startup files, her settings etc
[08:41] <chakie> time to go to work
[08:42] <prjkt_trash> thanks for the help everyone im gonna be off to make another attempt at fixing this crap...will probably return eventually
[08:43] <chavo> chakie, you still here?
[08:43] <chakie> yup
[08:43] <chavo> http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/08/msg00430.html
[08:43] <chavo> check that out
[08:45] <chakie> great!
[08:45] <chavo> yeah sounded like the same problem
[08:46] <chakie> that seems like a possible solution
[08:46] <chakie> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266814
[08:46] <chakie> marked as closed though
[08:47] <chavo> I just did a google search for -> kdm tcsh login, and there seems to be a lot of hits
[08:47] <chakie> oh yeah
[08:48] <chakie> i googled for different stuff
[08:50] <chakie> chavo: thanks for the help!
[08:51] <chakie> i'll leave my wife to go through them, i'll head off to work
[08:51] <chavo> no problem, hope you get it straightened out
[08:51] <chavo> yeah gotta o too
[08:51] <chakie> she's having a "sick day", got a new computer yesterday :)
[08:51] <chavo> go
[08:51] <chavo> nice
[09:01] <Tiggs> im not able to boot from my cdrom, is there any other way to get kubuntu?
[09:25] <tapanim> i have that kind of problem http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343422
[09:26] <skyred> what does groupware client mean?
[09:27] <redguy> tapanim: seems that the package is corrupt
[09:30] <tapanim> redguy: where i can get working package?
[09:34] <redguy> tapanim: try deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb and apt-get unsermake again
[09:37] <Thardas> How can I install Firefox in Kubuntu?
[09:37] <buz> i just read linux.ars about cairo in gtk 2.8
[09:37] <buz> will we get cairo support in qt?
[09:38] <tapanim> redguy: not working :/
[09:38] <redguy> tapanim: no idea then
[09:47] <mindspin> Thardas: sudo kynaptic
[09:50] <Thardas> mindspin: I tried installing it with aptitude but it complains about numerous dependencies.
[09:50] <Thardas> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:50] <Thardas>   mozilla-firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) which is a virtual package.
[09:50] <Thardas>                    Depends: libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0) which is a virtual package.
[09:50] <Thardas> ...
[09:51] <mindspin> did you apt-get update ?
[09:52] <Thardas> aptitude update but it should do the same thing.
[09:52] <mindspin> it worked fine here, and did not complain.... but this answer doesn't really help you
[09:53] <mindspin> try installing the necessary packages
[09:53] <Thardas> I tried kynaptic but when I tried to press install on Firefox, it didn't do anything, not even complain.
[09:53] <mindspin> you started kynaptic with sudo?
[09:53] <Thardas> Kynaptic doesn't seem to be very mature so I decided to stick with aptitude.
[09:53] <hussam> Will the game nexuiz run on hoary?
[09:54] <mindspin> kynaptic works pretty fine for me
[09:54] <Thardas> Yes, sudo kynaptic.
[09:54] <Thardas> And this is a fresh install so I shouldn't have screwed anything.
[09:54] <Thardas> I just updated the package list and updated before trying Firefox.
[09:55] <mindspin> i installed it five minutes ago on a testing system and worked fine, so I have no idea
[09:56] <Thardas> What repositories should I have in sources.list?
[09:56] <mindspin> he, that would be my next too,
[09:56] <mindspin> wait
[09:59] <mindspin> it worked here without any additions from the basic sources.list 
[09:59] <mindspin> i.e without universe enabled
[09:59] <mindspin> so your troubles look a little  weird
[10:00] <Thardas> deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe[\n] deb-src http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe[\n] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted[\n] deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:00] <Thardas> I have those.
[10:00] <Thardas> At first I just had cdrom so I uncommented the lines described about.
[10:00] <Thardas> about -> above
[10:00] <mindspin> maybe the packages are messed up 
[10:00] <mindspin> try another source
[10:01] <mindspin> like http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[10:02] <mindspin> fi stands for finland(suomi) ?
[10:02] <Thardas> Yes.
[10:02] <Thardas> I'll try without universe.
[10:02] <mindspin> I used the german sources
[10:03] <mindspin> I have universe enabled on my laptop and had no troubles installing firefox
[10:05] <Thardas> Ah, now.
[10:05] <Thardas> Without universe it at leasts starts installing.
[10:05] <Thardas> -s
[10:05] <mindspin> hehe
[10:59] <nikkia> mornin thoreauputic
[11:00] <thoreauputic> hi nikkia :)
[11:01] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i think i'm getting a bit of a reputation at work :/
[11:02] <nikkia> Message from xxxxxx xxx at 22/08/2005 23:41
[11:02] <nikkia>     not working I hope
[11:02] <nikkia> (sender was one of my bosses)
[11:03] <thoreauputic> nikkia: here's one for you to answer - (maybe). If I open two urxvt in X, "who" doesn't register them ( invoked with -ls for login shell) But... two aterms and they show up as pts/XX ??
[11:03] <thoreauputic> nikkia: heh - they don't see IRC as work then ;-)
[11:03] <thoreauputic> strange ...
[11:03] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[11:04] <nikkia> thoreauputic: only thing i can think of, is the 'urxvt' (? is that a modified rxvt?) isn't actually registering itself in the wtmp properly, despite the -ls
[11:04] <thoreauputic> urxvt is a unicode version of rxvt, yeah
[11:05] <nikkia> it might be thru bad code, it might be thru design, or it could be a permissions problem
[11:05] <thoreauputic> wtmp eh? hmm /me goes looking...
[11:05] <nikkia> most term apps run as setuid root so they can write to wtmp/utmp
[11:05] <thoreauputic> apparently konsole does the same thing.. or doesn't, as it were
[11:06] <thoreauputic> ah the setuid is another interesting thought...
[11:06] <nikkia> i think its still up to the terminal app to create a wtmp entry, even if login shell is requested
[11:06] <nikkia> ie, its not automatic
[11:07] <nikkia> so as i said, it could be thru design/bad code
[11:07] <nikkia> personally, i kind of like it that way, having every pty show up in wtmp/utmp would be messy here :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> right, i see - if you run , say , 2 instances of konsole there, does the count increment?
[11:08] <nikkia> it doesn't even incrememnt with one :P
[11:08] <nikkia> root     tty2      Fri10    3days  0.02s  0.02s -bash
[11:08] <nikkia> nikki    tty3      Fri10    3days  2.23s  0.72s -bash
[11:08] <nikkia> nikki    :0        Fri10   ?xdm?   3:00m  0.02s /bin/sh /usr/bin/startkde
[11:08] <nikkia> no mention of konsole there :)
[11:08] <nikkia> actually, 'who' does report 1 extra session on pts/0
[11:08] <thoreauputic> neither urxvt nor konsole increment here: but xterm and aterm do
[11:09] <nikkia> thoreauputic: try 'who -a'
[11:10] <thoreauputic> nikkia: heh - yeah I did that but the output was .. rather large and I didn't grep through it: it isn't a life threatening issue: i was just curious ;-)
[11:10] <nikkia> thoreauputic: and its a bit non-sensical too
[11:11] <thoreauputic> I have gkrellm here and I'm used to seeing how many terminals are open *shrug*
[11:11] <thoreauputic> but no biggie
[11:11] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i bet konsole has an option whether to write to utmp/wtmp, and its disabled by default
[11:12] <nikkia> hmmm, don't see anything
[11:12] <thoreauputic> nver mind
[11:13] <thoreauputic> damn - just realised I need to shop...
[11:13] <thoreauputic> nikkia: later :) thanks
[11:13] <nikkia> thoreauputic: tbh, i think a better way to tell would be to count the pty's being used
[11:13] <thoreauputic> nikkia: yup
[11:13] <thoreauputic> gotta go!
[11:13] <thoreauputic> see you
[11:13] <nikkia> see ya
[11:14] <apokryphos> it's far too early for work
[11:14] <nikkia> heh, morning apokryphos
[11:14] <apokryphos> in fact, it's too early for anything; what am I doing up. :D
[11:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: did you see the IM i pasted here a few minutes ago ? :)
[11:15] <apokryphos> Family is coming around tomorrow; figure I should adjust my sleeping time so I can see them properly
[11:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: about your repetitive negligience at work? Yes.
[11:15] <nikkia> negligence ??
[11:15] <apokryphos> :P
[11:16] <apokryphos> tut tut
[11:16] <nikkia> wow, that looks like a fun job!
[11:16] <Thardas> How can I start sshd?
[11:16] <nikkia> one of the petrol station employs over the road is cleaning the forecourt, with a hand held brush :P
[11:17] <nikkia> Thardas: /etc/init.d/ssh start   but kubuntu doesn't install the ssh server by default, just the client
[11:17] <apokryphos> That's like mowing a lawn with a pair of sciccors
[11:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah
[11:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: he's being disciplined
[11:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: wouldn't surprise me
[11:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: they put in a PA system last week....
[11:18] <Thardas> nikkia: I tried to find something ssh related from aptitude but ssh didn't give me expected results. How is the server package named?
[11:18] <nikkia> and all week, you'd hear them chattering to each other using the PA
[11:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's what happens to people that don't work at work -- be aware!
[11:18] <nikkia> now, its eerily silent
[11:18] <apokryphos> I wonder what punishment I'd be fit for
[11:18] <nikkia> !info ssh-server
[11:18] <nikkia> hmmm
[11:18] <apokryphos> isn't it openssh something?
[11:18] <apokryphos> !find ssh
[11:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: there's a seperate sshd package, tho
[11:18] <apokryphos> !info openssh-server
[11:19] <ubotu> openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
[11:19] <nikkia> thats it
[11:19] <nikkia> 'rshd replacement' ?!?!
[11:19] <apokryphos> no idea
[11:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, thats a bit like saying 'ssh - a telnet replacement'
[11:20] <Thardas> ubotu: thanks.
[11:20] <ubotu> Thardas: sure thing
[11:20] <nikkia> at some level its true, but at another level, its a bald-faced lie!
[11:20] <Thardas> It's a bit confusing when you're using Gentoo, Kubuntu, DesktopBSD and Windows at the same time. :)
[11:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: well, you can never be too sure with these devils, err, debian users.
[11:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i remember rsh, its great for one thing - gaining entry to a system :P
[11:21] <apokryphos> Thardas: Definitely. Trash Gentoo, DesktopBSD and Windows.
[11:22] <apokryphos> and leaving little notes "Nikki woz 'ere Y2K B4U"
[11:22] <Thardas> apokryphos: nah, Kubuntu isn't very practical on headless server.
[11:22] <Thardas> DesktopBSD will probably be thrashed if there's no surprise problems with Kubuntu.
[11:22] <nikkia> Thardas: thats why it has a 'server' install :P
[11:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: "iriver 's warranty covers only those defects which arise as a result of normal use of the product"  :/
[11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: ?
[11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, you blew it up then ?
[11:23] <Thardas> But this a probably designed to fit the needs of desktop user. I think I'll stick with Gentoo on my server. It's a file server at the same time so I don't like experimenting with it. :)
[11:24] <apokryphos> and in particular, not ones "which has been subjected to unusual physical or electrical stress, misuse, abuse, power shortage, or negligence"
[11:24] <nikkia> oh well, now its easy to justify buying that iAudio you were drooling over just minutes before 'accidently' plugging in the wrong PSU :P
[11:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's like it blew up without an explosion. Could it be any worse!
[11:24] <edvardas> how to extract rar and zip files with console?
[11:24] <apokryphos> I couldn't do it with a clear conscience; that's a lot of money wasted on MP3 players. I could be... buying sweets!
[11:25] <nikkia> edrex: sudo apt-get install unrar     and sudo apt-get install unzip    :)
[11:25] <nikkia> edvardas: even
[11:25] <apokryphos> or sudo apt-get install unrar unzip  :P
[11:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: you can chain? didn't know that, rarely use apt-get anyway
[11:25] <apokryphos> yup
[11:25] <edvardas> so it will just install rar and zip, but how to extract files with console?
[11:26] <nikkia> edvardas: 'unzip file.zip' and 'unrar x file.rar'
[11:26] <apokryphos> man unrar ; man unzip
[11:26] <edvardas> ok thank you
[11:26] <nikkia> altho i'm not sure if the command lines for the free unrar and the non-free unrar are identical
[11:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: on the other hand, HSBC are sending me a lame mp3 "shortly"; looks like it'll have to suffice
[11:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah
[11:27] <apokryphos> finding out you wasted 160 squid is never a good feeling, though :(
[11:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: my bank finally found the 400 i 'paid in' yesterday, so i'm happy
[11:27] <nikkia> (paid in at the post office 2 weeks ago, and it got lost somewhere)
[11:27] <apokryphos> That's like getting tax-back at the end of the year. Great stuff.
[11:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: they were real good about it tho, gave me a overdraft extension 'until the money is found'
[11:28] <nikkia> (well, extended the interest free portion of my overdraft)
[11:28] <apokryphos> heh
[11:29] <apokryphos> Opened a savings account yesterday. I looked online for the deals and it said 6.4%! I go in and the max I can get, really, was 2.4 % :S
[11:29] <apokryphos> Better than barely nothing, at least.
[11:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: my bank just lowered their interest rates, i think its 3.8% now on a cheque-book account :/
[11:30] <nikkia> not really their fault tho, its the BoE that lowered rates
[11:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: who you with?
[11:30] <nikkia> on the other hand, it means my CC interest dropped to 11.8% from 12.0
[11:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: Cahoot
[11:30] <ThxGiving> hi
[11:30] <ThxGiving> im using ubuntu with kde 3.4.2
[11:30] <apokryphos> :|
[11:30] <ThxGiving> got some strange probs
[11:31] <ThxGiving> when i use kdesu it says "su is not in your path"
[11:31] <ThxGiving> when i start konsole.. i get no prompt
[11:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: they're a real good bank, except for the fact that being 'internet only' you can only deposit money via the post office, and it takes 3-5 days
[11:31] <ThxGiving> + there are no icons on the desktop!
[11:31] <ThxGiving> *help*
[11:31] <apokryphos> no icons on the desktop -- not a bad thing, per se. I never have any :P. How did you install?
[11:31] <ThxGiving> apt-get install kdebase
[11:31] <ThxGiving> apt-get install kde-i18n-de
[11:32] <ThxGiving> apt-get install kdm 
[11:32] <ThxGiving> ;)
[11:32] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:32] <nikkia> ThxGiving: it looks like you've picked up kde from a non-kubuntu repository
[11:32] <ThxGiving> actually from
[11:32] <nikkia> ThxGiving: the 'su not on path' thing is suspiciously like you're using a debian/other kdesu
[11:32] <ThxGiving> v
[11:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: I wasted my work-experience at HSBC bank, and signed up there. Talk about boring. :/
[11:32] <ThxGiving> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubunty hoary-updates main
[11:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i, erm, still owe hsbc money :P
[11:32] <ThxGiving> my source ;)
[11:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: when i moved to the US, i owed them 1500 in CC bills, and never paid :P
[11:33] <apokryphos> :-O
[11:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: how did you manage that? ;-)
[11:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not hard to 'not pay' something :P
[11:33] <apokryphos> haven't they tracked you down with their sniffer dogs etc yet?
[11:34] <ThxGiving> does anyone know how to install kdm without the dependend package "kubuntu-default-settings"
[11:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: technically, i could have gotten the debt thrown out too - and potentially have hsbc prosecuted for a felony :P
[11:34] <ThxGiving> *g
[11:34] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: why don't you want it? 
[11:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: they committed felony acts violating the RICO act in trying to get me to pay
[11:35] <apokryphos> how exactly?
[11:35] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: did you install kubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: called me at 3am and 5am threatening me
[11:35] <apokryphos> I guess that's a felony act
[11:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: counts as threatening and harassing behaviour in attempting to settle a debt, in the US, which is a violation of anti-racketeering laws
[11:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: means they fall into the same class as the mafia
[11:36] <apokryphos> haha
[11:36] <apokryphos> The world's local mafia.
[11:36] <ThxGiving> two things:
[11:37] <ThxGiving> *i dont want to let everything and anyone know im using Kubuntu --> no kubuntu-default-settings
[11:37] <ThxGiving> i hate brandings
[11:37] <apokryphos> :/
[11:37] <ThxGiving> *i dont want install the huge metapackage kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: it's hardly huge
[11:37] <ThxGiving> i dont need many of these packages
[11:37] <ThxGiving> like klaptopdaemon
[11:37] <ThxGiving> or..
[11:37] <ThxGiving> kpilot
[11:37] <ThxGiving> or..
[11:37] <ThxGiving> ;
[11:38] <apokryphos> install KDM and then remove the stuff you don't need, and alter your KDM theme
[11:38] <ThxGiving> ;)
[11:38] <ThxGiving> when you install kubuntu-default-settings..
[11:38] <ThxGiving> the kde first time wizard
[11:38] <ThxGiving> doesnt show on first login
[11:38] <ThxGiving> thats a problem.
[11:38] <ThxGiving> for me
[11:38] <apokryphos> re-run it yourself then
[11:39] <ThxGiving> thanx :)
[11:39] <apokryphos> kpersonalizer
[11:39] <ThxGiving> i make my day
[11:39] <ThxGiving> oups
[11:39] <ThxGiving> u make my day
[11:40] <ThxGiving> lets see if these other packages do work
[11:40] <ThxGiving> whats so wrong about ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubunty 
[11:40] <apokryphos> also, kubuntu-default-settings is technically not a metapackage. 
[11:40] <ThxGiving> but kubuntu-desktop
[11:41] <apokryphos> yes, that is.
[11:41] <apokryphos> Nothing is wrong with taht link, I presume. Other than the mispelling of Kubuntu :P
[11:41] <ThxGiving> lol
[11:41] <apokryphos> if you don't wanna install kde by kubuntu-desktop, you should use one of the other methods....
[11:42] <apokryphos> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/installingKDE
[11:42] <ThxGiving> i do
[11:42] <apokryphos> either installing kde or kde-core
[11:42] <apokryphos> * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[11:42] <ThxGiving> im not wondering about the link... but about the content
[11:42] <ThxGiving> thanks apo
[11:42] <apokryphos> yes; I don't think there's anything wrong with it; it was one of the listed sources
[11:43] <ThxGiving> oky
[11:43] <tapanim> i can listen music but i can't change anything not even volume? something is baddly wrong?
[11:43] <ThxGiving> --> arts
[11:44] <ThxGiving> what program for music do you use?
[11:44] <ThxGiving> amarok?
[11:44] <tapanim> yes
[11:44] <ThxGiving> sounds like your using the xine engine in amarok
[11:44] <ThxGiving> it has a bug with volume control
[11:44] <ThxGiving> try to switch to arts engine
[11:44] <tapanim> i have none engine :/
[11:44] <ThxGiving> uh?
[11:44] <apokryphos> I always used xine; never experienced a bug with volume control
[11:44] <ThxGiving> i did ;)
[11:44] <ThxGiving> NONE?
[11:45] <tapanim> none...weird 
[11:45] <ThxGiving> plus xine sometimes crashes
[11:45] <ThxGiving> well..
[11:45] <ThxGiving> what do you think about getting the latest..
[11:45] <ThxGiving> subversion
[11:45] <tapanim> how?
[11:45] <apokryphos> better to just compile 1.3
[11:45] <ThxGiving> i got a script
[11:45] <ThxGiving> u need to have..
[11:45] <apokryphos> though there is a .deb on the forum
[11:45] <ThxGiving> kdebase-dev and kdemultimedia-dev installed
[11:46] <apokryphos> and more
[11:46] <ThxGiving> no
[11:46] <ThxGiving> ;)
[11:46] <ThxGiving> just that
[11:46] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: you need X includes, Qt includes -- yes.
[11:46] <ThxGiving> all the other things depends on these
[11:46] <ThxGiving> but they depend on these packages ;)
[11:46] <ThxGiving> do you really think you can install kdebase-dev without having qt? ^^
[11:47] <apokryphos> incorrect
[11:47] <apokryphos> which one of those do you think pulls in the X includes?
[11:47] <ThxGiving> some packages that are in kdebase-dev
[11:47] <apokryphos> and kdebase doesn't pull in the Qt includes
[11:47] <ThxGiving> not kdebase-dev exactly
[11:47] <ThxGiving> but packages in there
[11:47] <apokryphos> no
[11:47] <ThxGiving> well anyway
[11:48] <tapanim> now i have those...
[11:48] <ThxGiving> okay ;)
[11:48] <ThxGiving> ill send you my script
[11:48] <apokryphos> tapanim: there's a .deb for 1.3 on the forum -- you're better off trying that
[11:48] <ThxGiving> which language do you need?
[11:48] <apokryphos> !amarok1.3
[11:48] <ubotu> from memory, amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54
[11:49] <tapanim> english
[11:49] <apokryphos> and the svn script is from the Wiki
[11:49] <ThxGiving> there are some modifications
[11:49] <ThxGiving> f.e. taking admin not from trunk
[11:49] <ThxGiving> because of its qt4 dependencies
[11:49] <ThxGiving> etc
[11:49] <apokryphos> they haven't changed that yet?
[11:49] <apokryphos> odd
[11:50] <tapanim> my amarok is 1.2.3 using kde 3.4.2
[11:50] <apokryphos> so?
[11:50] <ThxGiving> do you want to have mysql support?
[11:51] <tapanim> yes
[11:51] <ThxGiving> ok
[11:52] <ThxGiving> trying to send via dcc.
[11:52] <ThxGiving> i could try mail :>
[11:52] <amu> d
[11:52] <tapanim> try now
[11:53] <tapanim> thank you
[11:53] <ThxGiving> u need to have libmysqlclient14-dev
[11:53] <ThxGiving> additionally
[11:53] <ThxGiving> the arts engine for amarok will build when you have kdemultimedia-dev installed
[11:53] <tapanim> ok
[11:54] <ThxGiving> ah.. i forgot something ^^
[11:54] <ThxGiving> http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/files/src/taglib-1.4.tar.gz
[11:54] <ThxGiving> u need to have the latest taglib
[11:54] <ThxGiving> get this tarball
[11:54] <ThxGiving> extract it (in /usr/src f.e.)
[11:54] <ThxGiving> do ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:54] <ThxGiving> make
[11:54] <ThxGiving> make install
[11:54] <ThxGiving> ;)
[11:55] <ThxGiving> copy get-amarok.sh to /usr/src
[11:55] <ThxGiving> and then run it
[11:55] <ThxGiving> and apt-get install subversion ;)
[11:55] <ThxGiving> the script uses subversion to fetch the sources
[11:56] <ThxGiving> if you have any problems/questions just ask me
[11:57] <ThxGiving> i think because.. every 20 minutes there is a new version of amarok
[11:58] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: and svn is often broken, and 1.3 was *just* released
[11:58] <ThxGiving> and with this script you can always update your installation
[11:58] <apokryphos> a bugfix will come, but there won't be another real upgrade for _quite_ some time
[11:58] <ThxGiving> svn is not often broken
[11:58] <ThxGiving> 1.3 rocks
[11:58] <ThxGiving> ;)
[11:58] <apokryphos> Yes, it is. I use it all the time.
[11:58] <ThxGiving> i use it all the time too
[11:58] <apokryphos> until a stable comes
[11:58] <ThxGiving> :P
[11:59] <apokryphos> [K] ubuntu would be speedier with getting the packs out, but there's a *lot* of preparation going into breezy ;-)
[12:00] <apokryphos> 3.5 debs are being built, too :-O
[12:01] <ThxGiving> :)
[12:01] <ThxGiving> there wont be much changes
[12:01] <ThxGiving> just bugfixes
[12:01] <ThxGiving> the dev say
[12:01] <ThxGiving> i spoke to some
[12:01] <apokryphos> in 3.5? Quite the contrary.
[12:01] <ThxGiving> mainly bugfixes
[12:01] <ThxGiving> ;)
[12:01] <apokryphos> Who told you that? It's not true, I use it.
[12:02] <ThxGiving> really?
[12:02] <ThxGiving> what is it like?
[12:02] <apokryphos> check the features changes on the site
[12:02] <apokryphos> decent, but not drastic changes like kde4 will see
[12:02] <apokryphos> bugfixes are 3.4.X versions
[12:03] <tapanim> where i find get-amarok.sh?
[12:03] <ThxGiving> well the guy who does kopete said that
[12:03] <apokryphos> I also don't see "This month in svn" mentioning bugfixes :P
[12:03] <ThxGiving> in your dcc recv folder?
[12:03] <ThxGiving> hes using irssi
[12:03] <ThxGiving> were might that be?
[12:03] <ThxGiving> +h
[12:04] <apokryphos> find ~ | grep get-amarok.sh
[12:04] <tapanim> i find it...
[12:04] <ThxGiving> thx ;)
[12:10] <nikkia> hmmm
[12:11] <nikkia> are SATA150 drives backwards compatible with original SATA ?
[12:11] <nikkia> i'm just puzzled as to why maxtor offers SATA150 and SATA versions of their *10 series
[12:11] <buz> SATA150 is SATA1
[12:12] <buz> SATA2 is 300mbyte
[12:13] <nikkia> buz, so why do maxtor have SATA and SATA150 versions ?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> can someone type my nick please?
[12:13] <nikkia> buz, could the difference be the power connector (molex on 'sata' and 11pin on 'sata150' ?
[12:13] <nikkia> thoreauputic no
[12:13] <thoreauputic> nikkia: awww - cruelty!
[12:13] <thoreauputic> :D
[12:14] <thoreauputic> nikkia: do you wear black leather boots and carry a whip too ? *g*
[12:15] <nikkia> thoreauputic: yes
[12:15] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:15] <pointwood> O_o
[12:17] <apokryphos> wow, adept (previously "Kapture") is being developed! http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html  Great stuff.
[12:18] <apokryphos> and there's a bounty on it from Kubuntu :D
[12:18] <berkes> hey there. I wonder how long it normally takes before an app like amarok gets updated. 
[12:18] <apokryphos> berkes: normally: a lot quicker than it's taken now; there's just a lot of hype/work for breezy, so devs are busy ;-)
[12:19] <berkes> ah :)
[12:19] <apokryphos> there is a .deb, however, on the forum; if you want it, LMK.
[12:19] <berkes> so another thing, I want to install kplayer (or even dvd::rip)
[12:19] <berkes> but both require a load of unmet packages. 
[12:20] <apokryphos> you should be able to get them from apt (the unmet dependencies)
[12:20] <berkes> well, apt-get just gives errors; 
[12:20] <berkes> packages that cannot be met. 
[12:21] <berkes> sorry, dependencies that cannot be met. 
[12:21] <apokryphos> it doesn't help if we don't know them :P
[12:21] <berkes> libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) maar 0.5.2-3 zal genstalleerd worden
[12:22] <berkes> meaning libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) but 0.5.2-3 will be installed
[12:23] <apokryphos> a *higher* version is to be installed?
[12:23] <berkes> yea. odd. :)
[12:24] <apokryphos> try sudo apt-get install --reinstall libidn11
[12:24] <berkes> doing that now. 
[12:25] <berkes> I treid to apt-get remove that libidn ,but nearly every package depends on it. So I decided to just leave it :p
[12:25] <apokryphos> yeah, it's a key pack
[12:26] <berkes> nope. still no luck. same unmet depency. 
[12:26] <berkes> I will retry it with only the defailt sources.
[12:26] <apokryphos> what others do you have? :/
[12:27] <ThxGiving> um
[12:27] <ThxGiving> ppl
[12:27] <ThxGiving> what if someone cant execute a shellscript
[12:27] <ThxGiving> whats missing ^^
[12:27] <apokryphos> build-essential?
[12:27] <ThxGiving> "bad interpreter: No such file or directory"
[12:28] <ThxGiving> for a shellscript?
[12:28] <ThxGiving> echo and so on?
[12:28] <berkes> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/  http://members.westnet.com.au/takahe/debian/testing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:28] <apokryphos> berkes: you shouldn't be using marillat
[12:28] <ThxGiving>  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343807
[12:28] <ThxGiving> o.O ;)
[12:28] <berkes> okay.
[12:28] <nikkia> ThxGiving: check there isn't a ^M at the end of the line
[12:29] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: that's what you get when there's no path to bash or something?
[12:29] <nikkia> ThxGiving: that gives 'bad interpreter' every time
[12:29] <ThxGiving> oh right
[12:29] <ThxGiving> i edited the file in windows
[12:29] <apokryphos> berkes: and all other debian repos, too
[12:29] <berkes> kplayer is not found without marilat :(
[12:29] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell berkes about sources
[12:29] <nikkia> your editor can hide the ^M, so you think it looks 'right' but then the linux command loader thing that handles finding intpreters falls over
[12:30] <apokryphos> berkes: you'll have to compile or find a deb for [K] ubuntu
[12:30] <nikkia> tbh, auto line-end detection in editors is as much a curse as a blessing
[12:30] <berkes> okay
[12:30] <berkes> apokryphos: do you actually know mplayer/kplayer?
[12:30] <apokryphos> mplayer is not kplayer, but yes
[12:30] <berkes> they depend on like fifteen packages :)
[12:30] <apokryphos> (but based on, yes)
[12:31] <berkes> kplayer is just a wrapper around mplayer
[12:31] <apokryphos> yes
[12:31] <nikkia> berkes, yes, and the marillat ones *do not work* on kubuntu, anymore
[12:31] <nikkia> they did once, they don't now
[12:31] <apokryphos> berkes: You can get mplayer from the repos though
[12:31] <berkes> okay :)
[12:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: might need backports for all of the build options, tho
[12:31] <ThxGiving> thanks nikkia
[12:31] <apokryphos> there's an install guide for mplayer on the wiki... there was an ubotu factoid for it, but someone !forgot it :/
[12:31] <ThxGiving> it think thats the prob
[12:32] <nikkia> istr that the ones in universe/multiverse/wherever, are lacking some options
[12:32] <apokryphos> what kind of options? I'm not sure. I just use xine + w32codecs and everything works fine
[12:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm thinking dvdcss
[12:32] <nikkia> can't remember now, it was a while ago i tried
[12:33] <apokryphos> ah, could be.
[12:35] <berkes> apokryphos: thanks a lot for the info. I think this will help me forward a lot. 
[12:35] <apokryphos> excellent =)
[12:35] <berkes> someone in here told me to use marilat, but that was months ago. 
[12:36] <berkes> but its good to know that there are better alternatives
[12:36] <apokryphos> yeah, it used to be ok/kind-of-recommended, but it causes problems now
[12:36] <nikkia> hmmm, disk prices seem to be in an unward spiral again :/
[12:36] <nikkia> unward=upward
[12:36] <ThxGiving>  bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[12:36] <ThxGiving> :-S
[12:36] <ThxGiving> its a simple shellscript
[12:37] <nikkia> ThxGiving: can you do something for me...
[12:37] <apokryphos> check that it's in the appropriate place (the .sh )
[12:37] <ThxGiving> hum?
[12:37] <ThxGiving> whats an appropriate place for .sh?
[12:37] <ThxGiving> sure nikkia..
[12:38] <nikkia> ThxGiving: never mind, i've changed my mind about whether it'd be usable output or not :)
[12:39] <ThxGiving> hehe
[12:39] <ThxGiving> ive told him to change #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh
[12:39] <ThxGiving> and it works now
[12:39] <nikkia> ah, yes
[12:39] <nikkia> its /usr/bin/bash :)
[12:40] <ThxGiving> lol
[12:40] <ThxGiving> kubuntu special?
[12:40] <ThxGiving> oor..
[12:40] <nikkia> no, thats where bash usually is
[12:40] <ThxGiving> but /bin/bash does exists on my machine ^^
[12:41] <ThxGiving> -s
[12:41] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I thought /bin/bash was the standard path for bash? It is here...
[12:41] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i don't think so, but i could be wrong
[12:42] <ThxGiving> its like
[12:42] <thoreauputic> output of `which bash`
[12:42] <nikkia> i still think it was ^M stuff tho :P
[12:42] <thoreauputic> /bin/bash
[12:42] <ThxGiving> "/bin/false"
[12:42] <ThxGiving>  bin bash
[12:42] <ThxGiving> sure
[12:42] <nikkia> by editing it, you probably stripped out the ^Ms in the write
[12:43] <nikkia> you can actually easily tell the ^M case
[12:43] <nikkia> because it messes up the output of the 'bad interpreter:' line
[12:43] <berkes> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/dists/hoary-extras/ is giving me a lot of 404s. is that just me?
[12:44] <apokryphos> that's a busted mirror; you should use the miramax (or whatever) one
[12:44] <apokryphos> !hoary-extras
[12:44] <ubotu> hoary-extras is, like, totally, see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:44] <apokryphos> ah, mirrormax
[12:44] <berkes> okay. thanks. uboto listed the planetmirror ones
[12:46] <nikkia> ThxGiving: if the issue is ^M, you get : bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[12:46] <berkes> I modified http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1544 and added mirromax
[12:47] <berkes> replaced planetmiiri with miromax to be precice
[12:47] <nikkia> whereas if its a genuine bad intepreter... it should name the interpreter, eg:
[12:47] <nikkia> bash: ./unix_test.sh: bin/bashr: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[12:47] <apokryphos> berkes: good going
[12:47] <ThxGiving> you are right
[12:48] <ThxGiving> i think that was the issue
[12:48] <nikkia> you can also see the stray ^M by doing   head -1 file.sh | hexdump -c
[12:48] <ThxGiving> wow
[12:49] <nikkia> if its dos encoding, there'll be a \r before the \n
[12:49] <ThxGiving> are you asl x/f/x ?
[12:49] <nikkia> ThxGiving: why?
[12:49] <ThxGiving> just yur name
[12:49] <Thardas> Umm... On other distros KDE has asked right after the installation if it should mimic Windows with mouse clicking etc. Where is this dialog in Kubuntu? As a long time Windows user its way is the most familiar.
[12:50] <nikkia> Thardas: kpersonalizer
[12:50] <nikkia> Thardas: it isn't run on kubuntu, because a .kde directory is created in your home directory by the installer, but you can run that program at any time to change the settings
[12:51] <Thardas> Thanks.
[12:51] <ThxGiving> #
[12:51] <ThxGiving>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unsermake/amfile.py", line 1391, in read_deps
[12:51] <ThxGiving> #
[12:51] <ThxGiving>     depdir_value = utilities.subst_vars["DEPDIR"] 
[12:51] <ThxGiving> ouch
[12:53] <mornfall> hello folks
[12:55] <apokryphos> mornfall: hi! Adept is good :). Writing an email now with a bit of personal feedback :)
[12:55] <nikkia> 'test plan MUST be submitted before 15/08/2005'
[12:55] <mornfall> apokryphos: check the web, too :)
[12:56] <apokryphos> hehe
[12:56] <apokryphos> mornfall: the site? Yup. Got the repo for it from there
[12:56] <mornfall> apokryphos: yeah, i just updated it with known issues
[12:56] <mornfall> apokryphos: you may save some typing that way :-))
[12:57] <apokryphos> mornfall: you referring to the Feature Checklist etc? Yeah; noticed some of my thoughts were covered there :)
[12:58] <mornfall> apokryphos: yes, and the known bugs and wishes
[12:58] <apokryphos> Looks really promising; will be finally nice to have something to replace the undeveloped embryonic kynaptic 8)
[12:59] <apokryphos> known bugs/wish -- right, yup. It's hard to miss. ;-)
[01:00] <mornfall> that's the idea :)
[01:00] <apokryphos> mornfall: why the change of name?
[01:01] <mornfall> apokryphos: which one? :-)
[01:01] <apokryphos> kapture -> adept
[01:01] <nikkia> personally, i think kapture was a bad name anyway, suggests something 'different', despite the 'apt' in there :)
[01:02] <apokryphos> if it's going to be used for RPMs hopefully in the future too, though, then an apt name would be problematic anyhow
[01:02] <apokryphos> heh
[01:03] <mornfall> apokryphos: i don't see apt problematic... it will probably never work without apt (apt-rpm or not) anyway
[01:04] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, someone wanted to have libapt-front support poldek as a backend
[01:04] <apokryphos> oh :/
[01:04] <mornfall> oh what?
[01:04] <mornfall> i don't see the problem?
[01:04] <apokryphos> mornfall: sorry, didn't mean there's a problem. Just "oh" in repsonse to first comment there
[01:04] <mornfall> if you wanted it to work with yum or smart, you are out of luck
[01:05] <apokryphos> I don't ;-), and I don't really care if it supports RPMs etc
[01:05] <mornfall> :-)
[01:05] <mornfall> apt-rpm comes to mind (and arklinux folk seems to want the support in)
[01:05] <mornfall> but yum is plain fucked
[01:05] <mornfall> so no thanks :)
[01:06] <apokryphos> I never used it even when on Fedora
[01:06] <apokryphos> tried it a few times and just recall running back to apt
[01:06] <mornfall> heh
[01:06] <mornfall> i'm a fedora developer
[01:06] <mornfall> i never use yum
[01:06] <mornfall> :-)
[01:06] <nikkia> if yum was bad on its native distro, i hate to imagine it on other distros :)
[01:06] <apokryphos> debian brainwashing 8)
[01:07] <apokryphos> mornfall: is adept hoped to be in breezy then/
[01:07] <mornfall> apokryphos: it shall be there yes
[01:07] <apokryphos> nice
[01:08] <ThxGiving> hi
[01:08] <ThxGiving> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343831
[01:08] <ThxGiving> what the hell is on there..
[01:10] <nikkia> hmmm, 8MB/s again, despite choosing 8x
[01:14] <ThxGiving> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839
[01:15] <ThxGiving> omg his.. machine is really mysterious
[01:16] <ThxGiving> its safe
[01:16] <ThxGiving> i cliked on it too
[01:16] <ThxGiving> and im on WINDOZE
[01:17] <dixi> !znh
[01:17] <ubotu> methinks znh is from now known as dixi
[01:18] <mornfall> apokryphos: hmm, still writing? :)
[01:19] <apokryphos> mornfall: still playing around =)
[01:19] <mornfall> :-)
[01:19] <amministratore> is there kiosk in kubuntu?
[01:19] <dixi> apokryphos: hey you still alive:D?
[01:19] <apokryphos> trying to remember what I like from kpackage etc
[01:19] <mornfall> cool, i need input like that :)
[01:19] <apokryphos> dixi: despite being up so early, I hope so, yes :D
[01:20] <amministratore> with apt-cache I've found nothing, even with universe repository... someone?
[01:20] <dixi> apokryphos: xD
[01:21] <ThxGiving> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839
[01:21] <ThxGiving> any ideas?
[01:22] <dixi> openning MS internet explorer :P
[01:22] <dixi> j/k ofc
[01:23] <dixi> ThxGiving: 404!
[01:24] <ThxGiving> noo
[01:24] <ThxGiving> please help ;)
[01:25] <buz> why
[01:26] <buz> k3b works like a champ
[01:26] <nikkia> buz, UDF support
[01:26] <buz> never used that
[01:26] <nikkia> i'm seeing a few movie DVDs that won't burn as iso
[01:26] <apokryphos> mornfall: ok, sent a few. =)
[01:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: you have the ISOs and you're trying to burn them?
[01:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have the filesystem contents
[01:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS
[01:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: but they were UDF originally, k3b insists on using ISO for everything
[01:28] <apokryphos> :S
[01:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: once burnt, the filesystem is readable, but nothing can play the video
[01:29] <nikkia> i'm guessing something in one of the .VOB fails when it is burnt as ISO
[01:30] <apokryphos> I wonder why font sizes/style change when using kdesu. What settings would it use exactly? :/
[01:31] <apokryphos> (kdesu on kubuntu, that is)
[01:31] <mornfall> apokryphos: thanks
[01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: are you using fonts in your user font dir ?
[01:31] <mornfall> apokryphos: any chance you could get a better idea how to reproduce that bug?
[01:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: nope; bitstream vera sans; come by default.
[01:32] <apokryphos> mornfall: I'll retry again now
[01:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: dunno then
[01:33] <apokryphos> mornfall: also, there needs to be some better type of notification for after you select a package to be installed (after you've hit "Show Details")
[01:33] <apokryphos> change of colour perhaps. Dunno. :/
[01:33] <mornfall> apokryphos: dude, that install button doesn't work... at all
[01:34] <mornfall> and, that brings me to another known bug
[01:34] <apokryphos> heh, oh, I see -- so it doesn't.
[01:34] <apokryphos> yup
[01:34] <mornfall> the expanded thingy does not update
[01:34] <mornfall> automatically
[01:35] <apokryphos> ah, explains the "Advanced" etc not working too
[01:36] <apokryphos> Immutable :D
[01:37] <mornfall> apokryphos: yeah, the button is a bit fucked up i know :D
[01:37] <amministratore> someone has kiosk within kubuntu?
[01:37] <apokryphos> Another wish: when you select multiple amount of packages and  show details -> all expand
[01:38] <mornfall> apokryphos: i actually went out of my way to do it the other way... (lest someone hits select all -> expand, oooooops)
[01:38] <mornfall> apokryphos: but i can do that (easy)
[01:38] <zzzzzsolt> hey
[01:38] <apokryphos> collapse-all would come in handy. 
[01:38] <apokryphos> Yeah. Cool.
[01:39] <mornfall> apokryphos: the problem isn't that... the problem is resizing the 25 thousand list items and then creating 25 thousand widgets :(
[01:39] <mornfall> it will probably take a minute or two :P
[01:39] <apokryphos> Heh, and getting all the description etc info. Yeouch. 
[01:39] <mornfall> i could artificially limit it to have say 50 packages expanded at once
[01:39] <apokryphos> yeah, good idea.
[01:40] <mornfall> but, what to do when user wants to open 51st package
[01:40] <mornfall> i can't close anything since it'd move things under mouse which is a nogo
[01:40] <apokryphos> KCrash!
[01:41] <apokryphos> that's true
[01:41] <mornfall> heh
[01:41] <mornfall> moving things under mouse is the most evil thing you can do
[01:41] <mornfall> that's why i hate the up-down sidebars
[01:41] <ThxGiving> Need to get 0B/2547B of archives.
 After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
[01:41] <zzzzzsolt> what do you think is wrong with this line from fstab? /dev/hda8 /mnt/shared ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=100 0 2
[01:41] <ThxGiving> this is not normal?
[01:42] <apokryphos> I'm still contemplating whether I think displaying details etc. inline is a superior method. 
[01:42] <mornfall> apokryphos: contemplate as much as you wish, it is not going away :-)
[01:42] <mornfall> apokryphos: popups are a no-go, too
[01:42] <mornfall> apokryphos: so, what are the options left?
[01:42] <apokryphos> mornfall: I'm not sure which is better (really)
[01:42] <zzzzzsolt> the partition exists, it's the one i wanted, the mount point exists, but it keeps complaining the moment i add uid or guid or umask
[01:43] <apokryphos> but at the moment I probably prefer having a smaller bifurcation
[01:43] <apokryphos> KPackage style. :-O
[01:43] <mornfall> wha?
[01:43] <apokryphos> That's probably one of the things they got right, IMO.
[01:44] <apokryphos> mornfall: just the way KPackage handles it, basically. A split.
[01:44] <zzzzzsolt> ThxGiving it's normal, that means the package is already there, it only has to be unpacked
[01:44] <mornfall> apokryphos: oh, no, thanks
[01:44] <ThxGiving> but after apt-get clean?!
[01:44] <ThxGiving> apo..
[01:44] <apokryphos> mornfall: no worries ;-)
[01:44] <ThxGiving> tapanims build environment is total messed up!
[01:45] <ThxGiving> +ly
[01:45] <apokryphos> hehe :)
[01:45] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: but he only needs to packages :P 
[01:45] <ThxGiving> no
[01:45] <ThxGiving> never seen these errors before
[01:45] <ThxGiving> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343831
[01:45] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: whatever the error is, have you Googled?
[01:45] <ThxGiving> something is with his unsermake
[01:45] <ThxGiving> sure!
[01:46] <ThxGiving> plus.. He got not /bin/Bash!
[01:46] <ThxGiving> um bash
[01:46] <mornfall> apokryphos: i will do a (horizontal) split, but the splitted area will be for filters
[01:46] <ThxGiving> he cant do apt-get install
[01:46] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: that's standard in Ubuntu
[01:46] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: oh wait, uppercase B?
[01:46] <ThxGiving> no lowercase
[01:46] <apokryphos> mornfall: other options for filters?
[01:46] <mornfall> apokryphos: btw, dunnow if you found out, but you can get items open/collapse with a single click, on the arrow
[01:47] <ThxGiving> and see this:
[01:47] <ThxGiving> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/343839
[01:47] <apokryphos> Yup, first thing I tried. Convenient.
[01:48] <ThxGiving> what do you think is up with him?
[01:48] <mornfall> (and if you have a big screen, you can easily open up few packages and compare -- this will be handy when debtags filters hit it)
[01:48] <apokryphos> Indeed. That's a certain advantage of this method
[01:48] <mornfall> without clicking back-and-forth to change what's viewed in the fixed-size area for details
[01:49] <apokryphos> mornfall: re: horizontal split... filters? Advanced features for the filter search?
[01:50] <mornfall> apokryphos: there will be a list of active filters, the filter bar at top will go away and the left pane will be freed up for a palette of available filters
[01:50] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: is he on hoary, for sure?
[01:51] <apokryphos> oh
[01:51] <mornfall> apokryphos: the filter list will show summary of the filters and be expandable like packages, where you can change the filter settings
[01:51] <ThxGiving> hum.. maybe^^
[01:51] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: cat /etc/issue
[01:51] <zzzzzsolt> so what's wrong with this fstab line? /dev/hda8 /mnt/shared ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=100 0 2
[01:51] <ThxGiving> thanks apo
[01:51] <zzzzzsolt> won't let me mount it
[01:51] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: is that a quiz?
[01:52] <zzzzzsolt> no it's a noob's last hope :))
[01:52] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: i suggest you give us the error message :)
[01:52] <zzzzzsolt> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.... etc
[01:53] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: and you are sure /dev/hda8 has an ext2 fs on it, right
[01:53] <zzzzzsolt> it works until i add uid guid or umask to it
[01:53] <zzzzzsolt> yep and it1s the right one too
[01:53] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: dang, "bad option"
[01:53] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: it's there :)
[01:53] <zzzzzsolt> yea, but why?
[01:53] <zzzzzsolt> uid is a good option? isn't it?
[01:54] <zzzzzsolt> uid=1000, which is me, guid=100 which is users
[01:54] <zzzzzsolt> which i am in too
[01:54] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: that's pretty, but there is no uid nor guid option to ext2, is there?
[01:54] <zzzzzsolt> gid i mean
[01:54] <zzzzzsolt> i don't know, that's why i'm asking
[01:54] <apokryphos> zzzzzsolt: you have gid= not guid=
[01:55] <mornfall> but there are no such options for ext2 dudes
[01:55] <zzzzzsolt> yea guid was a typo. ok so there is no such options for ext2 which seems logical. how do i let users write to that partition then? umask won't go either
[01:56] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: mount it without those and do chown -R on it if that's what you want
[01:56] <apokryphos> mornfall: I can't reproduce that bug; I'll have to keep using it and let you know if I find a method
[01:56] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: man chown, man chmod
[01:56] <mornfall> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[01:57] <mornfall> apokryphos: (you are the only one to have it seen... well, besides me in development, but i fixed most (obviously not all) of those)
[01:57] <zzzzzsolt> i chown'ed the mount point already. so if i recusrively chown everything below the problem will go away?
[01:57] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: depends on what is the problem .)
[01:58] <zzzzzsolt> thanks i'll give it a try
[01:58] <mornfall> zzzzzsolt: but mountpoint owner doesn't matter anyway, it's overriden with the mounted fs root owner
[01:58] <zzzzzsolt> yea, i experienced that. i'll chown it while mounted
[02:00] <apokryphos> mornfall: would be good to have an option that asks you to go into "Administrator Mode" (or similar) if you want to Commit changes etc 
[02:00] <apokryphos> (so you don't have to restart with kdesu again)
[02:01] <morrow> anyone tried to use the breezy kernel in hoary? I'm lazy compiling the ipw2200 drivers myself and thought i could use the new breezy kernel :)
[02:01] <apokryphos> morrow: there's a howto on the forum I think somewhere. You could just ugprade to breezy... it's fairly stable now.
[02:03] <mornfall> apokryphos: there is a problem with that
[02:03] <mornfall> apokryphos: if you change something with adept and someone steps onto the apt db in the meantime and then you lock for commit, you are pretty fucked
[02:03] <zzzzzsolt> mornfall thanks, everything's fine now
[02:03] <morrow> apokryphos: hmm ok thanks... (will search my backup first. :))
[02:04] <mornfall> apokryphos: it can be solved, but it's completely out of scope for stable-one
[02:05] <apokryphos> mornfall: quite a pickle I can see, yes. Similar problems with not locking while starting up altogether
[02:05] <apokryphos> mornfall: I imagine if that does get solved, then there won't be a need to run it as root at all? Just have it ask for pass when you select to commit?
[02:05] <apokryphos> (slight advantage there since apt isn't hogged in the meantime)
[02:06] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, you have to lock, merge the changes and then you can commit
[02:07] <mornfall> apokryphos: also, that depends on mmap semantics, because it may as well be that it's not solvable with current apt at all
[02:07] <mornfall> apokryphos: because if the mmap is shared, any change in it will cause inconsistency in the other instance opening it
[02:07] <apokryphos> Thinking about it now. Sticky business.
[02:07] <mornfall> that means one has to implement read and write lock separately
[02:08] <martin-> hi all, i have an Targus PA088 USB2Serial adapter. How can i adresss the serial port in ubuntu? After pulgging in the adapter i see in dmesg: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[02:08] <mornfall> and you end up needing root for read lock again
[02:08] <apokryphos> yah
[02:08] <mornfall> well, hmm, if the mmap update is done as unlink/recreate/mmap, it could work... i will have to check with apt code
[02:09] <mornfall> but it still means apt needs to hold exclusive lock all the time, since it can't merge changes with others in a sane way
[02:09] <apokryphos> mornfall: what's with the "Currently -1 installed" etc?
[02:09] <mornfall> apokryphos: see web :)
[02:09] <mornfall> apokryphos: it's not implemented, obviously ;)
[02:09] <apokryphos> Whoop, sorry, yeah.
[02:09] <mornfall> i had to release the alpha at *some* point, you know :-)
[02:10] <apokryphos> Of course. I can actually install packs and filter search, so it's not too bad at all 8)
[02:10] <mornfall> otherwise, the next week i would be still fixing known issues 
[02:10] <martin-> anyone?
[02:11] <apokryphos> mornfall: they haven't given you the greatest amount of time, have they? ;-) Is it enough, or just a lot more work need to be crammed in?
[02:12] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, i will be humming along adding features at a pretty decent rate till beta, and i will probably make it :)
[02:12] <apokryphos> mornfall: bypassing feature freezes etc :P
[02:13] <mornfall> apokryphos: of breezy? yeah, breezy freezes can hang themselves
[02:13] <mornfall> i don't have time for that
[02:13] <mornfall> there will be feature freeze from beta on
[02:13] <apokryphos> right
[02:13] <apokryphos> Feature Freeze on August 11th. Seems really early. Perhaps it isn't.
[02:14] <apokryphos> 3.5 is probably gonna be in Breezy, isn't it? No chance of there being feature freeze in time there =)
[02:14] <mornfall> apokryphos: i don't think 3.5 will be in breezy
[02:14] <mornfall> apokryphos: only as an additional kubuntu release
[02:14] <apokryphos> Kind of been wondering why alpha .debs for it have been built... seems like a quasi waste of time to me. :S
[02:14] <apokryphos> oh
[02:15] <dixi> hiya
[02:15] <dixi> is there some special kernel for an AMD Athlon XP 2400 ?
[02:15] <ztonzy> probably:  2.6.10-5-k7
[02:15] <dixi> you think?
[02:16] <ztonzy> I got XP2800+ :) so...yes
[02:16] <dixi> aight :)
[02:16] <apokryphos> k7 one, yes.
[02:17] <dixi> kk.. I have an issiue here..
[02:17] <dixi> my brother is too lazy to give his Geforce Ti 4200, I have currently a Radeon 9600 Pro.. would it be even good as the nvidia one? - I don't think so..
[02:18] <apokryphos> On Linux you're better off with NVidia generally, yes.
[02:18] <dixi> blah
[02:19] <dixi> he doesn't give a fuck about me
[02:19] <ztonzy> I installed ati drivers for my brothers 9800Pro card...worked like a charm
[02:19] <dixi> hmm can you guide me?
[02:20] <ztonzy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati
[02:20] <dixi> :)
[02:20] <apokryphos> You can of course run fine, but for extra fine-tunings Composite etc.. Nvidia is better. Also random other X things which I don't care to remember
[02:20] <ztonzy> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24763.html  and better ones
[02:20] <dixi> I am going to boot on the other kernel first, brb
[02:24] <mornfall> apokryphos: i have reliably reproduced your bug
[02:24] <apokryphos> mornfall: nice; steps?
[02:25] <mornfall> apokryphos: resize to wide, open up 2 (or more) packages close together, resize to narrow
[02:25] <mornfall> apokryphos: the extenders are recomputed in wrong order, i bet
[02:27] <apokryphos> mornfall: that doesn't do it for me. Also, I don't think mine involved resizing twice; don't think I did that. :S
[02:27] <kainos> gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled
[02:30] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, when you downsize with many open packages, it happens
[02:30] <mornfall> apokryphos: i just say resize wide to have enough place to downsize then
[02:30] <apokryphos> mornfall: what's weird about the screeny, now that I look at it, is that "alexandria"  is in there, while I'm at Z...
[02:30] <mornfall> now that's really weird
[02:30] <mornfall> hmm
[02:30] <apokryphos> Heh, I can't reproduce with resizing. Nevermind.
[02:31] <mornfall> blah :-)
[02:31] <kainos> gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled
[02:33] <martin-> other Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[02:33] <apokryphos> mornfall: I wish I was keeping track of what I was doing originally now oO
[02:35] <mornfall> apokryphos: no matter, it will be found and fixed at some point, sooner or later :)
[02:35] <katrina> gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled
[02:36] <phreakys_> hi
[02:36] <phreakys_> anyone knows if there are opengl2 drivers for linux?
[02:37] <nikkia> oh well, i was about to answer him too :P
[02:38] <nikkia> (the 7xxx series (apart from the first) nvidia drivers are opengl 2.0)
[02:39] <ThxGiving> hum..
[02:39] <ThxGiving> does anyone know if kde 342 is available for arch amd64?
[02:39] <ThxGiving> with kubuntu?
[02:39] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: there are no packages or it AFAIK, yet.
[02:39] <ThxGiving> well
[02:40] <ThxGiving> what is this 64 bit hype all about
[02:40] <ThxGiving> its hard enought to get drivers for 32bit
[02:40] <ThxGiving> -t
[02:40] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: speed
[02:40] <ThxGiving> not really.
[02:41] <ThxGiving> capacity
[02:41] <ThxGiving> its much worse with windows x64
[02:41] <ThxGiving> i got a dlink wifi card
[02:41] <ThxGiving> and those people are too lazy to adapt their source
[02:41] <apokryphos> ThxGiving: not really speed difference? o_O I beg to differ
[02:41] <ThxGiving> its just a little change actually
[02:42] <apokryphos> Yeah, sure...
[02:42] <ThxGiving> how much faster do you think is it?
[02:44] <ThxGiving> maybe the big difference is just the ability to adress much more data
[02:44] <ThxGiving> +d
[02:44] <jjesse> monring
[02:50] <apokryphos> hi jjesse :)
[02:50] <jjesse> whats going on apokryphos 
[02:51] <apokryphos> jjesse: nothing too much. Awaiting for family to arrive tomorrow; been trying out Adept today (great stuff), mainly.
[02:51] <jjesse> apokryphos: i didn't like adept it didn't seem to work correctly for me
[02:52] <apokryphos> jjesse: you tried the alpha?
[02:52] <apokryphos> released yesterday
[02:52] <jjesse> mornfall was looking for people to test it in the channel yesterday
[02:52] <apokryphos> Yup. There's still a few bugs floating about, but it's looking promising. =)
[02:53] <jjesse> it wasn't showing me a list of the packages i had installed whe i tried to filter for it, but yes it does look promising
[02:53] <apokryphos> jjesse: how's documentation stuff going? Finished for now?
[02:54] <jjesse> apokryphos: not finished but its comming
[02:54] <jjesse> this past weekend didn't get anything writter as in-laws were in town and we were wokring on the house
[02:54] <jjesse> is adept going in breezy +1?
[02:54] <apokryphos> :)
[02:54] <apokryphos> jjesse: it's going to be in breezy, yes.
[02:55] <apokryphos> +1? The name of the extra? 
[02:55] <jjesse> +1 the first one past breezy
[02:55] <jjesse> in the doc group we refer to the release after breezy as breezy +1
[02:55] <apokryphos> ah, ok.
[02:55] <apokryphos> jjesse: it'll be into breezy, itself
[02:56] <jjesse> will have to change the section on installing software then
[02:57] <apokryphos> jjesse: there was a whole Kynaptic doc, eh? Kind of a shame :(
[02:57] <jjesse> not a whole doc, just a secton in the kquickguide and user guide
[02:57] <jjesse> apokryphos: btw a preview of the docs can be found at http://lnix.net/~froud/
[02:57] <apokryphos> Oh.. there used to be one
[02:58] <apokryphos> Yeah, got that link. Took a preview a few days ago
[02:58] <jjesse> feel free to comment on changes that need to be made
[02:58] <jjesse> or make them yourself :)
[02:59] <apokryphos> jjesse: unfortunately have many busy days planned (sister's wedding, Barcelona, Uni). :(
[03:00] <apokryphos> and I'd hate to commit and not do anything :Z
[03:00] <jjesse> grin understand, just trying to get things done in time for freeze :)
[03:01] <apokryphos> jjesse: most pressing issues?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hey all. Firewall question: i'm running samba, but otherwise no server-related tasks. I did some port scans, and they all came back that the ports were in stealth mode. The question now: is there any reason why I should be using a firewall, if all the ports are hidden anyway?
[03:03] <dixi> hmz!
[03:04] <dixi> my sources.list is broken
[03:04] <dixi> anyone got a working one?
[03:04] <apokryphos> !sources
[03:04] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:06] <dixi> is it known that security.ubuntu... gives some errors?
[03:06] <dixi> ARGH
[03:06] <dixi> I still can't install nvidia-glx
[03:06] <dixi> what is this shit
[03:06] <dixi> someone...?
[03:07] <dixi> hello!
[03:07] <dixi> ...
[03:07] <Originoo> dixi: why u can't install them?
[03:07] <dixi> Originoo: it says it's refered to another package
[03:08] <dixi> Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[03:08] <dixi> and my sources.list is still broken (I have that one from !sources)
[03:08] <dixi> apokryphos: that one is shit dude
[03:08] <apokryphos> dixi: what one?
[03:09] <dixi> from !sources
[03:09] <dixi> it gives me a shit load of errors
[03:09] <Originoo> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1807830#post1807830
[03:09] <apokryphos> dixi: apt-get update gives errors?
[03:09] <dixi> yep
[03:09] <apokryphos> dixi: can you pastebin them?
[03:09] <apokryphos> (you have to setup gpg stuff first, btw)
[03:09] <apokryphos> !gpg
[03:09] <ubotu> it has been said that gpg is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[03:09] <dixi> no I don't have any graphical thingy here because I can't install nvidia
[03:10] <dixi> yay it does something now
[03:10] <dixi> anyways does nvidia drivers work on 2.6.10-k7 ?
[03:10] <apokryphos> yes
[03:10] <dixi> then it should work for me..
[03:12] <dixi> apokryphos: liar
[03:12] <dixi> Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[03:13] <apokryphos> dixi: Yeah, sure, I'm liar. I was running the exact thing on Hoary... geez.
[03:13] <apokryphos> I'm hardly a liar if you can't get things setup correctly
[03:13] <dixi> dude
[03:13] <dixi> I've done this many times, and now it suddenly doesn't work anymore
[03:13] <dixi> so it has to be something in ubuntu
[03:14] <dixi> I just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable.. startx doesn't work!
[03:14] <apokryphos> err, maybe you have to reconfigure your X?
[03:15] <dixi> that should nvidia-glx-config do
[03:15] <tenco> hi
[03:15] <dixi> and I have as driver 'nvidia'
[03:15] <tenco> anyone used adept already?
[03:15] <apokryphos> dixi: no
[03:15] <tenco> is it usable?
[03:15] <dixi> apokryphos: then what should it be?
[03:15] <apokryphos> dixi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:15] <apokryphos> tenco: Yes. It's still in Alpha-stage, but it is usable, yes.
[03:16] <apokryphos> tenco: worth trying out. You testing it would be appreciated. ;-)
[03:16] <tenco> apokryphos: if its better than kynaptic. kynaptic has no support for the dpkg dialogues and hangs forever when dpkg issues a dialogue
[03:17] <apokryphos> tenco: and kynaptic is not getting developed :P
[03:17] <dixi> apokryphos: module nvidia not found?
[03:17] <tenco> apokryphos: o_O
[03:17] <tenco> apokryphos: if adept handles dpkg dialogues correctly, i will test it
[03:18] <apokryphos> dixi: are you definitely running an nvidia card there?
[03:18] <apokryphos> tenco: what dialogues, sorry?
[03:18] <dixi> apokryphos: yeah.. a 6600GT
[03:18] <tenco> apokryphos: when the dpkg framework issues questions, that dialogues
[03:18] <mornfall> tenco: yes, adept handles dpkg prompts
[03:19] <apokryphos> dixi: I don't know then; ask in #ubuntu -- it's better for non-kde-related issues.
[03:19] <tenco> ah, ok
[03:19] <mornfall> tenco: it also sets debconf frontend to kde -- apt-get install libqt-perl
[03:19] <mornfall> tenco: if you install that, the prompts will be graphical when possible
[03:19] <tenco> then, why is kynaptic included in kubuntu by default? i think it does more harm to the user _and_ to the project than good
[03:19] <tenco> mornfall: ok, thanks
[03:19] <apokryphos> tenco: I probably agree. It's changing in Breezy
[03:20] <tenco> apokryphos: would be good :)
[03:20] <mornfall> well, adept is not in hoary, well, because it hit alpha yesterday :-)
[03:20] <tenco> but there are hoary packages, or?
[03:21] <apokryphos> tenco: Yes. See /topic
[03:22] <tenco> ah, sorry :)
[03:26] <tenco> how do i add this deb src in synaptic?
[03:26] <tenco> address: http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/
[03:26] <tenco> distribution: hoary
[03:27] <tenco> Section: ./
[03:27] <tenco> but this does not work ?-(
[03:27] <mornfall> tenco: dunnow, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:27] <tenco> http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/dists/hoary/.//binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[03:27] <mornfall> tenco: yeah, synaptic is borked
[03:28] <mornfall> tenco: either that, or just leave the section empty
[03:28] <mornfall> and use ./ as dist?
[03:28] <tenco> it works for me with other pkg sourcesa
[03:28] <mornfall> this is not a dak archive
[03:28] <mornfall> it works with apt, further, i don't care :-p
[03:28] <tenco> whats dak?
[03:28] <mornfall> debian archive maintenance software
[03:29] <mornfall> (familiarly known as katie)
[03:29] <tenco> ah, now it works
[03:30] <tenco> address: http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/hoary
[03:30] <tenco> distribution: (empty)
[03:30] <tenco> Section: ./
[03:30] <mornfall> whatever :)
[03:31] <tenco> uhm, no.
[03:31] <mornfall> oh, wait
[03:32] <mornfall> it may remove synaptic :P
[03:32] <mornfall> not sure tho
[03:32] <mornfall> but it wanted to remove aptitude on me on hoary (so i built new aptitude)
[03:32] <mornfall> but i didn't think of synaptic or kynaptic
[03:32] <mornfall> well, *shrug*
[03:34] <tenco> mornfall: remove synaptic? ok, then test for yourself
[03:35] <tenco> then i will not test it
[03:35] <mornfall> i didn't say it will
[03:36] <mornfall> but sure, whatever you prefer
[03:38] <tenco> it will
[03:39] <apokryphos> doesn't on breezy, at least.
[03:39] <tenco> i also dont know why this should be necessary
[03:39] <mornfall> tenco: because apt changed incompatibly and apt maintainers don't bump soname
[03:39] <mornfall> and adept needs new apt
[03:39] <mornfall> simple as that
[03:40] <tenco> ok
[03:41] <tenco> anyway, forget it. i will not rely on alpha-software to manage my packages. aptitude is far too basic
[03:44] <tenco> my konsole doesnt display "-" correctly in manpages
[03:45] <tenco> is this the fault of man?
[03:45] <ThxGiving> no
[03:45] <ThxGiving> change /etc/locale.gen
[03:45] <ThxGiving> to a charset that is not utf8
[03:45] <ThxGiving> and execute locale-gen
[03:46] <ThxGiving> supported charsets under
[03:46] <ThxGiving> "/usr/share/i18n"
[03:47] <tenco> is man the only app that does not handle utf8 correctly?
[03:47] <ThxGiving> aptitude does not too
[03:47] <ThxGiving> modconf too
[03:47] <ThxGiving> menuconfig too
[03:47] <ThxGiving> ;)
[03:47] <nikkia> alsamixer too
[03:48] <nikkia> links doesn't, OotB, but there is a flag you can set in settings that fixes it
[03:48] <nikkia> actually, alsamixer *appears* to work with UTF8, but certain things cause it to seg fault when the locale is UTF8
[03:49] <tenco> btw, what about zsh? heard that they're working on it.
[03:52] <zzzzsolt> hey again
[03:54] <ThxGiving> i now think ubuntu is better than the original debian
[03:54] <ThxGiving> the install cd supports wlan
[03:54] <ThxGiving> ^^
[03:55] <ThxGiving> the init scripts are better
[03:55] <ThxGiving> i can make them colorfull :)
[03:55] <ThxGiving> transition to xorg and gcc4 is complete...
[03:55] <ThxGiving> well ok gcc4 maybe not
[03:55] <ThxGiving> i changed from debian to ubuntu because sid and testing is soo unstable right now
[04:03] <Ingenu> hi, is there any taskmanager in ubuntu (so I can see what's running and how much memory it's consuming) ?
[04:04] <nikkia> grrrrr
[04:04] <nikkia> Ingenu: ctrl-escape
[04:05] <ThxGiving> top...
[04:05] <ThxGiving> or ps aux
[04:05] <ThxGiving> in a console
[04:05] <ThxGiving> or..
[04:05] <ThxGiving> theres a "performance monitor" from kde
[04:07] <Ingenu> indeed
[04:07] <Ingenu> thx
[04:07] <Ingenu> any idea why the liveDVD doesn't want to mount my NTFS drives ?
[04:07] <nikkia> ThxGiving: and what exactly is wrong with the KDE Task Manager that you get with ctrl-escape ?
[04:07] <Ingenu> neat
[04:07] <Ingenu> like in windows
[04:07] <Ingenu> anyway for the drive mounting and liveDVD ?
[04:07] <ThxGiving> nothing, i think
[04:07] <ThxGiving> i didnt know that too
[04:07] <ThxGiving> ctrl+escp
[04:07] <ThxGiving> nice to know
[04:07] <ThxGiving> thanx!
[04:08] <ThxGiving> well see ya all ;)
[04:08] <Ingenu> cya
[04:08] <ThxGiving> thanks for yur help & support :)
[04:11] <nikkia> why do artists need to be so retarded??
[04:11] <nikkia> artist: 'why is the font different on the chip from the chip selector?? they should look the same!! fix it!'
[04:12] <nikkia> me: 'well, maybe if you hadn't used a serif font on the font to draw on the chips, and one 2 points bigger, than the sans-serif font on the selector...'
[04:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: am i wrong to think that if you want fonts in two places to look the same, you use the same font family and size??
[04:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: you're fixing the artist's work? :|
[04:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: sounds like a disease of a thought. Where did you get that from?
[04:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, having to ask the f'ing graphics engine to scale his fonts by different amounts on X and Y to adjust for his ineptitude
[04:14] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:14] <nikkia> it'll still be serif in one place, and sans-serif in another, mind you
[04:14] <nikkia> no amount of f'ing scaling is gonna change that!
[04:14] <apokryphos> when they're arrogant about it it's worse, too :|
[04:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've yet to meet an artist that isn't arrogant about it
[04:15] <Ingenu> mmmh
[04:15] <Ingenu> why is Kaffeine crashing with anything I throw at it ?
[04:15] <nikkia> 'my work is perfect, you're not displaying it right!'
[04:15] <Ingenu> DivX/OGM
[04:15] <Ingenu> using kubuntu liveDVD, accessing DVD file (another drive)
[04:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: ergh
[04:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: to be fair, at least this artist is wiillng to understand the digital medium
[04:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: thoreauputic here is not an arrogant artist :P
[04:18] <nikkia> the last artist i worked with, wanted to send everything is flat BMP files, expecting me to recover layering and transparency
[04:18] <apokryphos> he must be a fake-artist
[04:18] <nikkia> s/is/as/
[04:18] <apokryphos> Never worked with BMPs properly
[04:19] <apokryphos> seemed like an ugly format; might be good for you real editors
[04:19] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I don't deal with 1337 computer geeks - i use real paint ;)
[04:20] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i bet YOU get the concept that if you want fonts to look the same, they must be the same family and size tho :P
[04:20] <apokryphos> ah yes, not a real artist (or, too real an artist). :P
[04:21] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I'm not a graphic artist: i'm a painter and sculptor :)
[04:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: a rather amusing story about artist incompetance... i once asked our previous artist if he could supply the image in a resolution of 1024x768 instead....
[04:21] <nikkia> his 800x600 image came back next time at something like 34,000x18,000 - with a DPI of 1024x768
[04:22] <apokryphos> hahaha
[04:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: that'll teach you to do requests in the future :P
[04:23] <thoreauputic> hmmm - i admit I would have understood *that* one *grin*
[04:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i could forgive the mistake, except for the fact he was working for a software company, and should know basic computing concepts :P
[04:24] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: you're being slowly brainwashed
[04:24] <apokryphos> they're inculcating to make you think like them
[04:24] <apokryphos> come back to the light Frodo!
[04:24] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I did it all by myself, I'm afraid ;)
[04:24] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: but...the one ring....
[04:25] <sproingie> well you did say *resolution* of 1024x768 and not *dimensions* ...
[04:25] <sproingie> sounds like malicious compliance
[04:26] <nikkia> sproingie: see, that was his argument, damned artists!
[04:26] <thoreauputic> I still don't like the gimp or photoshop - I always have an insane urge to reach into the screen and apply a brushful of oil paint ;-)
[04:26] <sproingie> betcha it was a mighty detailed pic
[04:26] <nikkia> sproingie: yeah, the scaled up pixels were darned purty!
[04:27] <thoreauputic> nikkia: bloody technoids! 
[04:27] <sproingie> oh he just scaled it up, eh?
[04:27] <nikkia> sproingie: as far as i could tell, he went into photoshop, changed the DPI and hit 'rescale' :P
[04:27] <apokryphos> You can run, but you cannot hide #
[04:27] <nikkia> thoreauputic: as i said, i'd forgive the mistake from a regular 'work with canvas' artist
[04:27] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: resistance is futile, etc etc 
[04:28] <sproingie> malicious compliance.  eh you could just rescale his art and when he complains about how it looks, it's his fault
[04:28] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: precisely; nail on the head.
[04:28] <nikkia> thoreauputic: but when you work for a software company, basic non-understanding of these issues is unforgivable, IMO
[04:28] <jpatrick> Does anyone know how I can make the apps on the taskbar transparent?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> nikkia: heh - here I am on linux IRC when i should be painting...
[04:28] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I'm just kidding around
[04:28] <sproingie> jpatrick: the buttons?  i think you have to wait for the next kicker version to get that
[04:28] <jpatrick> damn
[04:29] <jpatrick> I thought I saw a screenshot with the apps buttons transparent :/
[04:30] <sproingie> sure that wasn't a 4.0 preview?
[04:30] <sproingie> i've only seen the background transparent
[04:31] <jpatrick> Not sure
[04:31] <nikkia> sproingie: there is a replacement taskbar applet that does it
[04:31] <nikkia> ktaskbar2 ? something like that
[04:31] <jpatrick> where?
[04:32] <nikkia> jpatrick: no idea *where*, but kde-look probably could provide insights
[04:32] <jpatrick> Nothing good from Google
[04:33] <apokryphos> taskbar v2 -- yes
[04:33] <apokryphos> there's an ubuntu pack, I *think*
[04:33] <nikkia> thats the one
[04:33] <jpatrick> Ah
[04:34] <jpatrick> there was nothing on KDE-Apps or Looks
[04:34] <nikkia> jpatrick, its there, i just misremembered the name
[04:34] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=25615
[04:34] <nikkia> i did imply i wasn't sure about it being called ktaskbar2 :)
[04:34] <jpatrick> prefect
[04:35] <apokryphos> 3.5 is gonna be transparent as an option
[04:35] <jpatrick> Will it replace the current one?
[04:35] <apokryphos> The new Kicker will, of course, yes. But it won't be transparent by default, no.
[04:36] <jpatrick> It will
[04:36] <apokryphos> jpatrick: ?
[04:36] <nikkia> well, s/flat/non-buttony/
[04:36] <apokryphos> I like transparent because it doesn't look like the taskbar is such an external entity
[04:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: actually, someone did say it would be trans. by default, but i can't remember who
[04:37] <garmasthi> Hello people!
[04:37] <garmasthi> Is there anyone that can help?
[04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't like transparent, but i want it to look like its part of the panel, without ugly buttony bits :)
[04:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: quite sure it won't be
[04:37] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: further evidence that I'm turning into a nerd - I actually *like* the "minimal" them in fluxbox.. *shudder*
[04:37] <thoreauputic> :D
[04:37] <garmasthi> I've got problem installing package
[04:37] <thoreauputic> s/them/theme
[04:38] <nikkia> yes, the default taskbar v2 look is how i want it!
[04:38] <garmasthi> please
[04:38] <nikkia> hmmm, not sure about the preview popups tho
[04:39] <tenco> which programm does OOo use for spellchecking? aspell, ispell,...?
[04:39] <Thardas> garmasthi: which package?
[04:39] <nikkia> tenco, aspell, i believe
[04:39] <nikkia> tenco, i remember installing aspell around the same time as OOo 2 beta
[04:39] <nikkia> i remember, because i messed up and dl'ed the wrong version dictionary first time around
[04:40] <jpatrick> taskbar v2 = sweet
[04:41] <nikkia> jpatrick, i'm not sure about the preview tooltips tho...
[04:41] <nikkia> jpatrick, feels a little 'slow' at times, but i might grow accustomed to it
[04:41] <jpatrick> previews windows
[04:41] <jpatrick> not bad
[04:41] <tenco> i have 1.1.4 here. phps myspell?
[04:41] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yes, clear symptoms
[04:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: now just set it to "transparent"
[04:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: no
[04:42] <apokryphos> 8)
[04:42] <jpatrick> Where's it's config?
[04:43] <nikkia> jpatrick, same place as usual, right click on the v by the taskbar, and select 'Taskbar v2 Menu/Advanced Options'
[04:43] <jpatrick> oh yeah
[04:43] <nikkia> by 'v' i mean the downward pointing arrow thing
[04:43] <nikkia> and left mouse works too, i guess
[04:43] <apokryphos> Staying in Intercollegiate
[04:45] <garmasthi> How I can get KGet and Kdevelop?
[04:45] <apokryphos> garmasthi: apt
[04:45] <jpatrick> garmasthi: open the konsole and do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[04:46] <jpatrick> and: sudo apt-get install kget :p
[04:47] <thoreauputic> apokryphos:  http://interlink.webhop.org/nerdscreen.png  ,-- is there any hope for me? I even uploaded it from CLi with the lftp command!
[04:47] <apokryphos> garmasthi: just use apt, yes
[04:47] <garmasthi> but first I must download it, :D
[04:47] <jpatrick> that's what apt does
[04:48] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I must confess, it looks quite nice :)
[04:48] <thoreauputic> heheh :)
[04:48] <jpatrick> looks to bucky
[04:48] <thoreauputic> bucky?
[04:48] <jpatrick> opss
[04:48] <garmasthi> it tell me: impossible to find Kget...
[04:48] <apokryphos> not my personal style, but it's not fugly by any means :P
[04:48] <thoreauputic> what's that?
[04:48] <jpatrick> typo :p
[04:49] <apokryphos> garmasthi: enable the Universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get update
[04:49] <apokryphos> sudo aptitude install kget
[04:49] <garmasthi> aaaa
[04:49] <jpatrick> !repos
[04:49] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:50] <nikkia> http://nikki.sexadelic.com/~nikki/desktop.png  <- my rather plain looking desktop :P
[04:50] <znh> what kernel versions can I use with a Amd Atlhon XP (except k7)?
[04:51] <garmasthi> thanks a lot everyone
[04:51] <nikkia> znh, i386, i586 and i686
[04:51] <znh> nikkia, hi m8
[04:51] <nikkia> k6 might work, too
[04:51] <znh> nikkia, does i686 support more then 900MB of ram?
[04:51] <nikkia> (i think i686 works for XP, since the XP has SSE doesn't it ?)
[04:51] <nikkia> znh: yes
[04:52] <znh> horay!
[04:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: those desktop icons is a definite no-no for me :P
[04:52] <znh> nvidia doesn't seems to work with k7 I heard :/
[04:52] <nikkia> i think i386 is the only one with the limit
[04:52] <apokryphos> and desktops.. 12! Heh; nearly had forgot. :P
[04:52] <apokryphos> znh: it does
[04:52] <jpatrick> http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1673/snapshot45dy.png <- my desktop some time ago
[04:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of which are empty atm, because i hava java running on desktop 3, so mail, and lots of other stuff are closed to save ram :/
[04:53] <znh> apokryphos, maybe thte newer version doesn't
[04:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: and huge IRC :P
[04:53] <garmasthi> i've got another noob's question
[04:53] <jpatrick> garmasthi: fire away
[04:53] <znh> garmasthi, feel free to ask
[04:53] <apokryphos> jpatrick: very nice; much closer to my market :)
[04:53] <nikkia> jpatrick: dear god, all those superkaramba themes starting sucking my CPU away just viewing the image!! :P
[04:53] <garmasthi> i'm using
[04:53] <garmasthi> a user account, but I need to use root account
[04:53] <jpatrick> nikkia, apo: :D
[04:54] <znh> garmasthi, okay, typ 'su' in a terminal ;)
[04:54] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/desktop.png
[04:54] <Poromies> any news about kde 3.4.2 for athlon64?
[04:54] <apokryphos> I admit, I often include SK to make a pretty screeny;-), but I have actually left them on lately
[04:54] <Poromies> :(
[04:54] <Poromies> i've been waiting for weeks :(
[04:54] <jpatrick> znh: I thought it was sudo su
[04:54] <apokryphos> Poromies: probably not going to happen, unfortunately, I think.
[04:54] <garmasthi> yes, but the problem is: when I install nobody ask which should be the root pass
[04:55] <jpatrick> there isn't one
[04:55] <znh> jpatrick, eh.. yea sudo would do.. but su would be root.. sudo is just a proxy to root
[04:55] <nikkia> clearly i have the most dull desktop :P
[04:55] <jpatrick> it your password
[04:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: perhaps the ugliest one, too :P
[04:55] <jpatrick> it's*
[04:55] <apokryphos> I should get the prize for the cleanest, at least!
[04:55] <jpatrick> helllo
[04:55] <jpatrick> hell*
[04:55] <znh> garmasthi, typ sudo passwd, to configure a root password
[04:55] <jpatrick> mine has kubuntu on it
[04:56] <jpatrick> ;)
[04:56] <apokryphos> jpatrick: that's right; put it where it hurts ;-)
[04:56] <nikkia> jpatrick: my background, that you can't really see in the screenshot, is a tweaked version of the ubuntu background :P
[04:56] <garmasthi> I think that I cant explain
[04:56] <znh> IEWW bird crap on my mouse
[04:56] <garmasthi> sorry for my bad english, I'm italian -_-
[04:57] <znh> garmasthi, well then start learning english in IRC!
[04:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: ancient icon theme; join us in the 21st century 8)
[04:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: ancient? its the 'Kids' theme from KDE
[04:57] <jpatrick> I have Crystal Clear
[04:57] <thoreauputic> one thing that can be said - no two linux desktops ever seem to look alike :)
[04:57] <garmasthi> THANK YOU!!!!!
[04:57] <apokryphos> I can feel the wrinkles from here
[04:58] <garmasthi> I've resolved problem!
[04:58] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: indeed. On a forum people posted their desktops, and they were *all* the same exactly except background. Compare that to Linux :P
[04:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: bloody students!
[04:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: Crystal clear is good, you should try that. All the RAD are excellent too. "Kids" is limited :P
[04:59] <jpatrick> The changes I've made is add KoolDock and move Kicker to the top and remove the SK them at the buttom
[04:59] <apokryphos> or any Amaranth icons
[04:59] <apokryphos> Docks always got annoying for me after a while
[04:59] <jpatrick> KoolDock's okay
[05:00] <apokryphos> Kxdocker is probably better, isn't it? 
[05:00] <apokryphos> kooldock is more simplistic though. 
[05:00] <hussam> anybody knows where on the hard disk does firestarter store the event logs?
[05:00] <garmasthi> good bye friends, thanks a lot for your usefull help!
[05:00] <apokryphos> adieu!
[05:00] <jpatrick> I didn't quite like KSmoothDock
[05:00] <znh> apokryphos, ieww bugs on your head
[05:01] <nikkia> jpatrick, i noticed i was the only one using the panel at the top of the screen :)
[05:01] <apokryphos> znh: wherewhathow!
[05:01] <nikkia> too much time using macos i spose
[05:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: closset-gnome user
[05:01] <jpatrick> :O
[05:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: gnome copied it from apple, who came up with it after investing money in determining the best place for menus :P
[05:02] <nikkia> znh, its the bugs IN apokryphos's head i worry about :P
[05:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: I can picture them now having monkeys working on typewriters around the clock to determine that
[05:02] <nikkia> although, sometimes, they seem to have a moderating effect on his sanity :P
[05:02] <znh> nikkia, that's why God has bugzilla too
[05:02] <apokryphos> Hard to have an affect on my sanity... of all the things I've lost, the one I miss most is my sanity ;-)
[05:02] <apokryphos> znh: he doesn't use Malone?
[05:03] <apokryphos> rumour has it: he does
[05:03] <znh> xd
[05:03] <nikkia> znh, that's scary
[05:03] <znh> nikkia, yeah sorry
[05:04] <jpatrick> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5538/snapshot78qt.png <- :p
[05:04] <apokryphos> used to have problems with it, slightly, with Konq, but those seem to have disappeared some time ago now
[05:04] <apokryphos> jpatrick: dark theme out of sync there :P
[05:04] <nikkia> 'zarro boogs found' makes me want to kill people
[05:05] <jpatrick> apokryphos: I know
[05:05] <apokryphos> jpatrick: for a real dark theme http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=25999 :P
[05:05] <nikkia> jpatrick: don't like the black at all
[05:05] <karlo> ola
[05:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: I find black to not really be usable at all
[05:05] <apokryphos> annoys me after a couple days max
[05:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: same here
[05:06] <apokryphos> some don't survive without it though. The dark is kinda depressing, for me anyway; need something bright
[05:06] <jpatrick> It's a bit annoying in KDevelop
[05:06] <nikkia> it looks alright on shell windows tho, but thats my old-fart-ness kicking in again
[05:06] <apokryphos> and needless to say, loading a white webpage is not easy on the eyes. Too quick a switch.
[05:06] <nikkia> a shell isn't a shell unless its orange, green or white, on black, to me :)
[05:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: yes, yes it is. 8)
[05:07] <jpatrick> :/
[05:07] <apokryphos> Terminal seems like it doesn't belong when it's black and everything's white. Only the old fogies who keep that in KDE
[05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: actually, i like that
[05:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: what?
[05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: the 'not quite fitting' is what i like about having shells have a black bg
[05:08] <apokryphos> hehe; that power feel
[05:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: it helps me find a shell visually, and sort of makes it stand out as a non-GUI app
[05:08] <apokryphos> you should make all your apps different colours, then 
[05:08] <nikkia> no, that'd just be ugly
[05:09] <apokryphos> and yet so colourful!
[05:09] <apokryphos> There are some *ugly* screenshots on kdelook, I'm sad to say
[05:09] <apokryphos> some who think really, really bright oranges, yellows, greens and purples makes a good combination
[05:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: i just buy a bag of skittles when i want colourful :P
[05:10] <apokryphos> or Vimto
[05:10] <apokryphos> the fruitiest word
[05:10] <garmasthi> HI, i'm here again
[05:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: i find it hard to drink anything purple, after a rather embarassing situation that arose at uni
[05:10] <jpatrick> garmasthi: hello
[05:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: got drunk on merrydown&black, work up to a room that looked like an axe murderer had been playing
[05:11] <garmasthi> why Kubuntu says to me that I cant login as root??
[05:11] <jpatrick> You can't
[05:11] <garmasthi> why?
[05:11] <jpatrick> it's not enabled
[05:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: hah! What happened exactly?
[05:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: i threw up, lots of blood-coloured fluids
[05:12] <apokryphos> *no-one knows*
[05:12] <garmasthi> in kubuntu nobody can login as root?
[05:12] <jpatrick> garmasthi: you don't want to enable it
[05:12] <garmasthi> k, now the problem is
[05:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: yikes
[05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: the cleaners weren't too impressed
[05:13] <garmasthi> i have to modify sources.list, but I must be root
[05:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'm told in my halls there's a cleaner every week. Heh. 
[05:13] <jpatrick> garmasthi: right-click it then > Actions > edit as root
[05:13] <apokryphos> garmasthi: alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:13] <apokryphos> ..or that, if you have it.
[05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: only until the first time you get caught masturbating, after that, they visit your room far less often :P
[05:13] <jpatrick> or that too^
[05:14] <garmasthi> lol
[05:14] <garmasthi> its simple
[05:14] <garmasthi> tanks!!!!!!!
[05:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: Will have to put an alarm for the exact time ;-)
[05:14] <garmasthi> ehmmmm thanks!
[05:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: unless they come at random times. :-O
[05:14] <apokryphos> "surprise of the week"... except there's no prize.
[05:14] <jpatrick> yeah
[05:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: 4,100 for the year :/
[05:16] <nikkia> wish my rent was that low :/
[05:17] <nikkia> actually, that is surprisingly high, for what you're likely to get, really
[05:17] <apokryphos> bad for a poor student like mee
[05:17] <garmasthi> ehm.... shame on ME... but anyone could repeat my HOW install newpackage like Kget?? :D
[05:17] <garmasthi> Shame on me...
[05:17] <nikkia> it works out to something like 500/mo assuming 8 months/year
[05:17] <jpatrick> garmasthi: open the konsole and type: sudo apt-get install <package name>
[05:18] <garmasthi> Aaaa
[05:18] <apokryphos> jpatrick: he needs Universe
[05:18] <nikkia> (i dunno about you, but we were expected to vacate the place for holidays, and had to pay extra if we wanted to stay)
[05:18] <garmasthi> i've wrote: sumo apt-get install etc...
[05:18] <jpatrick> apokryphos: he just wanted to know how to do it
[05:18] <jpatrick> I think
[05:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah, we have to too.
[05:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: connections are provided through JANET system. I hope it's not slow
[05:21] <jpatrick> apokryphos: I think that's why he wanted to know how to edit his sources.list
[05:22] <apokryphos> jpatrick: Yeah. KGet is in Universe
[05:22] <jpatrick> so he edited his sources.list to enable it
[05:22] <apokryphos> long terms and conditions for Internet use. Interesting.
[05:22] <apokryphos> jpatrick: excellent
[05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: JANET isn't slow, but i'm not sure how modernised it is
[05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: last time i used JANET, it still used CPAD addresses for everything
[05:24] <nikkia> and that was only 11 years ago
[05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: I heard a rumour (hopefully) that it has just a 10 megabit for the whole thing
[05:25] <apokryphos> doesn't seem to mention speed here
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: for all of JANET? or for the uni->JANET connection ?
[05:25] <apokryphos> uni
[05:26] <nikkia> ah, it wouldn't surprise me, despite all their crowing, unis always seem to be at least 5 years behind on connection speed :P
[05:26] <nikkia> ours was an 'amazing' 9600 baud
[05:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: which uni did you say it was you're going to ?
[05:27] <apokryphos> "There is no objection to small removable items such as cushions, providing they carry a British kite mark"... err, *what*. Hah.
[05:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: King's
[05:30] <KabelKasper> Ich hre gerade diese Musik: Broken imaginary time von The Soundtrack of Our Lives auf Behind the music
[05:30] <bram85> hi, is KUbuntu's logo (seen on the main page of kubuntu.org) GPL licenced?
[05:30] <jpatrick> anyone here have Gadu-Gadu? :p
[05:31] <berkes> is there a way to make a screencapture with a cron run? 
[05:32] <apokryphos> bram85: probably not; SVG source is available from the wiki though
[05:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: note though that Internet stuff is probably not down to King's etc; in fact, I doubt it is. They don't have Internet connections in their main halls :|
[05:37] <smudo> hi all
[05:37] <garmasthi> HI AGAIN!!
[05:37] <garmasthi> All problems solved!
[05:37] <garmasthi> I love you all!!!
[05:37] <garmasthi> bye bye
[05:39] <jpatrick> bye
[05:41] <chakie> is the default k-menu in kubuntu somewhat trimmed or why are a lot of apps not in it by default after a default installation?
[05:44] <chakie> stuff like control center, kmail, kontact etc are not there
[05:45] <chakie> this is with the 3.4.2 version of kde. same with 3.4.0 
[05:45] <sproingie> control center is there for me
[05:45] <jpatrick> me too
[05:45] <sproingie> kontact is a button on kicker.  not sure why they didn't put it in the k menu
[05:46] <chakie> control center was there on 3.4.0
[05:46] <sproingie> mine must have carried over then
[05:46] <chakie> "in 3.4.0"
[05:46] <chakie> yeah
[05:46] <chakie> kmenuedit isn't there either
[05:47] <sproingie> there's a "system' button that has links to settings:/
[05:47] <sproingie> i think settings:/ is favored over kcontrol now
[05:48] <jpatrick> chakie: kmenuedit = right-click the menu
[05:48] <sproingie> i'm rather annoyed that you can't just drag and drop buttons between the menus and kicker
[05:48] <sproingie> windows can do that.  heck CDE could do that
[05:48] <chakie> jpatrick: ah, yes
[05:49] <chakie> upgrading to 3.4.2 held back the kdepim package. no idea why
[05:49] <jpatrick> do: sudo apt-get install kdepim
[05:49] <jpatrick> and it will replace the old one
[05:49] <sproingie> 3.4.1 has held back arts from day 1
[05:49] <sproingie> does 3.4.2 fix that?
[05:50] <sproingie> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:50] <sproingie>   arts: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[05:50] <sproingie>         Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[05:50] <jpatrick> :/
[05:51] <sproingie> i havent checked sound in months so i don't know if it actually still works
[05:51] <sproingie> but it'd be nice to have when i need it
[05:51] <chakie> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:51] <chakie>   kdepim: Depends: kleopatra (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2) but it is not going to be installed
[05:51] <jpatrick> that is odd
[05:54] <chakie> kleopatra depend on: dirmngr, gnupg2, gpgsm
[05:55] <chakie> maybe some extra apt sources are needed?
[05:55] <chakie> universe maybe?
[05:55] <jpatrick> did you dist-upgrade?
[05:55] <chakie> no
[05:56] <chakie> now i did
[05:56] <chakie> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[05:56] <chakie> kleopatra needs stuff that can't be found
[06:09] <ubuntu> can someone tell me how to get the trash icon onto the desktop and off of the panel.
[06:18] <chakie> where would ubuntu get its hostname from?
[06:19] <chakie> our system refuses to change its hostname
[06:19] <pax>  /etc/hostname
[06:20] <pax>  /etc/hosts as well
[06:20] <chakie> it had a guest hostname that it got via dhcp first. i changed the dhcp server to give out another ip
[06:20] <chakie> but it remembers the first one
[06:21] <pax> edit the two files to reflect your hostname and then restart network
[06:21] <chakie> i shouldn't have to edit that
[06:21] <chakie> makes dhcp & dns a bit pointless then
[06:22] <chakie> well, /etc/hosts was ok
[06:25] <pax> now that you're talking dns, you might look at /etc/resolv.conf  as well, to make sure you have the right nameserver(s)
[06:25] <chakie> that comes via dhcp
[06:26] <chakie> and is ok
[06:27] <chakie> ok, manually editing /etc/hostname and rebooting did the trick
[06:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Er, does anyone have a good 8-port router to reccomend? Mine is about to die
[06:27] <chakie> thanks for the help
[06:27] <pax> rebooting?!
[06:27] <chakie> well, i work over ssh here, and restarting the network with nfs shares etc didn't work too well...
[06:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Or just pointing out a brand would be of help too
[06:28] <pax> why did you reboot, you could just /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:28] <chakie> i did
[06:28] <chakie> that didn't work well, as there were mounted nfs disks
[06:28] <chakie> so it didn't bring up the net back...
[06:28] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: netgear ?
[06:28] <_nir> hi
[06:29] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i've found netgear's switches (their non-home versions anyway) utterly reliable
[06:29] <pax> chakie: as long as the problem was solved. good luck.
[06:29] <chakie> i just thought that the boot scripts would set /etc/hostname based on dhcp/dns data
[06:29] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: not that keen on their home products look tho, and the professional stuff tends to be a bit pricey
[06:30] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: Thanks. I have a shitty LevelOne router and it's been fiving me grief for the past few weeks
[06:30] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> *giving
[06:30] <nikkia> still a FS108 shouldn't be too pricey
[06:30] <nikkia> they run for 19 here
[06:30] <chakie> pax: yeah. thanks for the patience with a kubuntu-n00b
[06:30] <_nir> how i can reconf X, just installed kubuntu but the res is very low :)
[06:30] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: oh, you want a router?
[06:30] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: Yup
[06:30] <pax> chakie: np :c)
[06:31] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: well, i'd give their routers a try, never used them, and they're all in the 'home' style, sadly, but still, they're reliable products from their professional series
[06:31] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i also like linksys, but i've had more and more problems with them over the last few years (since cisco bought them) and feel a bit weary recommending them anymore
[06:31] <_nir> anyone ?
[06:32] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: Thanks for the heads up. I was about to look into linksys routers just now, actually
[06:32] <pax> _nir: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 
[06:32] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: its a bit of a crap shoot when you look at the lower-end stuff, tbh
[06:32] <_nir> thanks :)
[06:32] <pax> _nir: np :c)
[06:32] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: ive had bad experiences with 3com, linksys and dlink, i'm not sure that leaves any of the major 'low end' brands left :/
[06:33] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: Go ahead and add LevelOne to that list
[06:33] <durruti> Hi, I've had Kubuntu installed for a couple of weeks.  I've added stuff to my menu before, but last night I was trying to add some programs to the menu and I couldn't save anything.  When I clicked on the save icon, or chose "File">"Save", nothing happened. I tried numerous times, closing and re-opening the program, but no changes I make are taking effect.  Any ideas what could be happening? 
[06:33] <pax> !resolution
[06:33] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:33] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: never heard of them :)
[06:33] <_nir> pax: how i can pass that sudo issue , i really hate it :) , i just want to 'su' like i used to at Debian , is it possible at Ubuntu ?
[06:33] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: That tells you something, doesn't it?
[06:33] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: yep
[06:33] <pax> _nir: yes it is possible, if you tired of using the pass with sudo, then sudo -i
[06:34] <pax> _nir: if you would like to enable the root account, then sudo passwd root
[06:34] <_nir> kewl :)
[06:34] <_nir> many thanks :)
[06:34] <_nir> but many :)
[06:34] <chakie> anyone seen "lockd: failed to monitor x.x.x.x" lately?
[06:34] <pax> np, the resolution wiki page was given to you by ubotu
[06:35] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: Just been talking to some people. They seem to think very highly of Asus' routers. Any experience with those?
[06:35] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: they're just rebadged stuff, bit of a crap shoot as to which brand you really get
[06:36] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: Joy. Well, thanks for the info
[06:37] <chakie> ah, needed "fs-util"
[06:37] <chakie> "nfs-util"
[06:40] <zzzzsolt> hey
[06:41] <jpatrick> I can't add a network printer <:/
[06:41] <pax> samba?
[06:42] <zzzzsolt> i've updated to kde 3.4.2 from the kde repo, and got kdevelop 3.2.2 too. kdevelop designer won't start (sigsegv), and 3.2.1 won't install because of circular dependency
[06:42] <zzzzsolt> is there a solution to this? kde.org bug report says it's been solved
[06:43] <jpatrick> kdevelop designer never works here for me >:(
[06:43] <zaudragon> hello
[06:43] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: you've reminded me that i need another 8 port switch, btw, thanks :)
[06:43] <jpatrick> pax: I'm trying via IPP
[06:44] <zaudragon> I was, a while ago, running Kubuntu PPC on a LiveCD, which crashed
[06:44] <zaudragon> I thien opened Mac OS X, which then panicked on trying to boo
[06:44] <zaudragon> *boot
[06:45] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> nikkia: I aim to please
[06:46] <nikkia> might as well get that SATA HDD i want too
[06:47] <pax> jpatrick: just matter of editing cupsd.conf isnt it.
[06:47] <jpatrick> where's that?
[06:47] <nikkia> there we go, all ordered
[06:47] <nikkia> 1 8-port switch and 1 300GB 16MB cache drive :)
[06:47] <zzzzsolt> who has a working kdevelop designer?
[06:47] <pax>  /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ?
[06:49] <pax> nikkia: your boss is spoiling you :cp
[06:51] <zzzzsolt> who has a working kdevelop designer? anybody? mine goes down with sigsegv
[06:52] <hussam> Anybody here uses firestarter? If yes, in what location on the hard disk does it store the event logs?
[06:56] <pax> hussam: it logs to syslog
[06:57] <bjv> anyone here use kdevelop with kubuntu?
[06:57] <jpatrick> me
[06:58] <bjv> i do not see the 'show line numbers' option under view
[06:58] <bjv> are there some distro specific issues?
[06:58] <hussam> pax: is there a size limit on these logs or so they grow forever?
[06:58] <jpatrick> did you install KDevelop3?
[06:58] <zzzzsolt> bjv does the designer work?
[06:59] <zzzzsolt> bjv mine won't even start (sigsegv)
[06:59] <bjv> zzzzsolt: uh.. all i know is that i apt-got kdevelop then worked on getting some of my glfw projects to compile
[06:59] <jpatrick> bjv: Show Line Numbers = F11
[06:59] <bjv> and they do compile
[06:59] <zzzzsolt> bjv well start the designer
[07:00] <pax> hussam: well no, take a look at /var/log/ to see how it works
[07:00] <bjv> maybe im not up on my kdevelop lingo, what does 'starting the designer' mean?
[07:00] <jpatrick> bjv: did you do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3?
[07:01] <zzzzsolt> if it's in the k menu then just go to k menu/dev tools/kdevelop/kdevelop designer
[07:01] <bjv> no i guess i did apt-get install kdevelop
[07:01] <nikkia> pax, how is my boss spoiling me ?
[07:01] <jpatrick> bjv: that's the old verison
[07:01] <nikkia> pax, i ordered those things from my own credit card, its called earning a living and having disposable income :P
[07:01] <bjv> oic
[07:01] <bjv> alright, ill remove it and get v3
[07:02] <jpatrick> just do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[07:02] <zzzzsolt> holy crap it just started! :)) but how?
[07:02] <jpatrick> and it will remove kdevelop
[07:02] <pax> nikkia: oh, I was under impression he pays for it, you said something about him getting you new boxes
[07:02] <jpatrick> zzzzsolt: really?
[07:02] <nikkia> pax, yeah, he's bought me 2 shuttle-X systems, but i haven't got them yet, my desktop P4 will still be my primary system tho, and it needs a new HDD :)
[07:02] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick yea, it says version 0.2
[07:03] <nikkia> (one shuttle will be my server, one will run XP for certain apps)
[07:03] <jpatrick> Damn I got sigsegv again
[07:03] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick i've been trying to force kdevelop 3.2.1 up but it had a circular dependence, however it did something good to kdevdesigner
[07:03] <pax> nikkia: 2 shuttles! that's spoiling :p
[07:04] <zzzzsolt> jpatrich i just added a radiobutton to a form :) oh joy
[07:04] <jpatrick> >:/
[07:05] <jpatrick> lucky
[07:05] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick aha! kdevelop is 3.2.1, that's why it works
[07:05] <nikkia> pax, they are a project bonus, apparently :P
[07:06] <nikkia> pax, although he said he wants to work out something else for a bonus for this project as well
[07:06] <jpatrick> I have 3.2.2
[07:06] <nikkia> pax, it mostly comes from the fact that I work almost every hour there is, and everyone else has a 'oh well, 5:28pm friday, time to knock off, no more work til monday!' attitude
[07:07] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick go get 3.2.1 from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/pool/kdevelop/
[07:07] <jpatrick> 3.2.2 should be better than 3.2.1
[07:08] <pax> bonus! ask him for a red sport car =)
[07:08] <nikkia> pax, it also explains why of the two teams working on the same hardware/software combination, their project quite a bit simpler than mine, they've taken over a year so far to get nearly finished, and i'm nearly finished after 3 months :P
[07:08] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick "should be". haven't you ever messed up anything while trying to improve it? :)
[07:08] <nikkia> (they also have 2 programmers on their team, my team is 'me, and an artist'
[07:09] <pax> nikkia: sounds like you're getting a red benz coupe
[07:09] <jpatrick> zzzzsolt: well it's it the upgrade?
[07:09] <nikkia> pax, and guess who is more likely to get a decent raise next pay review :)
[07:09] <pax> nikkia!
[07:09] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick all i know is that this works. but it will complain when you dpkg -i it
[07:09] <pax> dont tell they will
[07:09] <pax> me*
[07:10] <bjv> well thanks for pointing out the correct package name,
[07:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: urgh, thats horrible
[07:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: i always hated the 'configure timezones' page too, because there's no easy way to 'turn everything off, damn it!'
[07:12] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick you might also want to try forcing 3.2.1 up then upgrading to 3.2.2, maybe the 3.2.2 debs are missing some important dependency
[07:18] <durruti> Problem with K-menu: I've had Kubuntu installed for  couple weeks.  I've added stuff to my menu before, but last night I was trying to add some programs to the menu and I couldn't save anything.  When I clicked on the save icon, or chose "File">"Save", nothing happened. I tried numerous times, closing and re-opening the program, but no changes I make are taking effect.  Any ideas what could be happening? 
[07:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'd just remember checking it every few days and it saying "Moscow". I'd just think.... hey, I didn't change that :P
[07:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: *nod*
[07:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: oop, off now for a bit. TTYL. :)
[07:26] <spiral> hi
[07:27] <jpatrick> lo
[07:28] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[07:29] <zzzzsolt> martin: is that kde 3.4.2 ?
[07:31] <zzzzsolt> hmm what can i use to get the dv video from a canon m360i dv camcorder through firewire?
[07:32] <EasterSunshine> zzzzsolt: kino
[07:32] <EasterSunshine> !info kino
[07:32] <ubotu> kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.75-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 1293 kB, Installed size: 4092 kB
[07:32] <n> Debian has a package called plptools-kde, how do I get this for Ubuntu?
[07:33] <EasterSunshine> n: add debian repos to your sources.list
[07:33] <EasterSunshine> n: which is unrecommened because they may not work perfectly with ubuntu
[07:33] <EasterSunshine> n: alternatevily, if you are knowledgable on building debs, help everyone out and build one for the repos
[07:33] <n> easter: yeah, but what if I get the deb source for it (where from?) then compile it myself
[07:33] <zzzzsolt> use checkinstall
[07:34] <EasterSunshine> n: sounds good
[07:35] <n> easter: I can't find where debian package source archives are kept. I've searched the Debian FTP and couldn't find them
[07:37] <EasterSunshine> n: sry i don't use debian, i dunno where they keep there source repos, maybe ask in #debian
[07:41] <pdrummond> hgg
[07:46] <zzzzsolt> EasterSunshine: i got kino, looked into prefs and it says the ieee1394 subsystem is not responding
[07:47] <zzzzsolt> i have a pci firewire card with the via controller on it
[07:51] <zzzzsolt> looks like i'm lacking rw access, can i chmod /dev/raw1394 ?
[07:53] <zzzzsolt> hmm i chmodded it and now it works. somehow this chmodding a device seems strange. what's the proper way to do this?
[08:00] <EasterSunshine> zzzzsolt: sry, i never used kino before
[08:02] <zzzzsolt> EasterSunshine: i succeded in capturing a bit of video. seems to have frame drops, i'll do further testing to see if it's the video or just the player
[08:03] <zzzzsolt> do you know a proper way to enable users to r/w  /dev/raw1394 ?
[08:04] <zzzzsolt> hmm playing the dv stream directly seems to be smooth
[08:08] <EasterSunshine> looks to be your hdd write speed
[08:08] <EasterSunshine> on premiere running on windows, i drop about 1 frame in twenty minutes
[08:09] <zzzzsolt> i had no problems with windos xp, the target partition is ext2 on a 7200rpm 120 gig seagate barracuda on pri master 
[08:10] <zzzzsolt> should be able to handle roughly twice as fast streams
[08:17] <Thardas> zzzzsolt: maybe a stupid question, but you have enabled DMA on your hard disk?
[08:18] <zzzzsolt> Thardas yes i have. as a matter of fact the hdd is quite happy with the stream. i get no dropped frames. it's noatun. can't play the stream back properly
[08:19] <Thardas> Strange.
[08:20] <zzzzsolt> noatun is a piece of crap
[08:20] <zzzzsolt> locks up all the time
[08:21] <Thardas> I don't like any Linux video player except mplayer and even that's not perfect.
[08:22] <Tm_T> Kplayer ;-P
[08:22] <Thardas> Tm_T: I haven't tried that yet.
[08:23] <zzzzsolt> ok something's not right here. 30 seconds of dv should be more than 5 MB
[08:24] <zzzzsolt> oh ok :) had to hit refresh, it's 104 MB now
[08:24] <Thardas> Hehe.
[08:24] <Tm_T> Thardas: Kplayer uses Mplayer =)
[08:26] <zzzzsolt> yes, 104MB is the right size. well i'm surprised how little the hdd had to work while doing this. async i/o is working well in linux
[08:26] <Thardas> Tm_T: Yes, I read.
[08:26] <Thardas> But it's not the lack of GUI that bothers me with mplayer.
[08:27] <zzzzsolt> what can i play a raw dv stream with?
[08:28] <Thardas> zzzzsolt: mplayer claims to support it. I can't test myself as I'm on Windows workstation at home.
[08:29] <zzzzsolt> i tried to checkinstall mplayer today but had no luck. so i don't have mplayer yet. can you give me a .deb?
[08:29] <Thardas> It's installation seems to be a bit complex on Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Debian.
[08:30] <Thardas> http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[08:30] <zzzzsolt> yea i noticed :(
[08:32] <zzzzsolt> what do you know :) kino can play its on files
[08:32] <zzzzsolt> own
[08:32] <jpatrick> zzzzsolt: 
[08:32] <jpatrick> that kdevelop thing broke my kdevelop
[08:33] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick sorry to hear that but you can still go back to where you started. i know it fixed mine
[08:34] <jpatrick> zzzzsolt: just gave errors :p
[08:34] <zzzzsolt> i used 3.2.1-0ubuntu0hoary2_i386
[08:35] <zzzzsolt> gave me a circular dependence. kdevelop on kdevelop_data and vice versa. but after installing all 3 it works regardless
[08:36] <zzzzsolt> and it says 3.2.1
[08:37] <jpatrick> oh
[08:38] <zzzzsolt> it downloaded a load of other stuff when i said apt-get -f install, maybe that's what fixed it up
[08:41] <_m0ns00n> Hey
[08:41] <jpatrick> lo
[08:41] <_m0ns00n> Is there a link to a place where I can install the Nvidia 1.0-6111 drivers for ubuntu without hacky patchy means?
[08:41] <_m0ns00n> :-)
[08:41] <_m0ns00n> (hoary)
[08:42] <_m0ns00n> GeForce 4MX isn't supported > 6111
[08:47] <_m0ns00n> I guess it's soon time to buy a new card
[08:47] <_m0ns00n> Doesn't look like Nvidia cares for older cards anymore.
[08:48] <zzzzsolt> m0ns00n: yep
[08:49] <zzzzsolt> jpatrick: i just compiled a qt designer hello world app in 3.2.1, and it works
[08:56] <jpatrick> how do you compile in KDevelop?
[08:56] <jpatrick> I always use the command line
[08:56] <zzzzsolt> F8
[08:56] <zzzzsolt> then shift+F9 to run
[08:57] <zzzzsolt> i'm new to kdevelop, but it seems to work. been missing g++ but i fixed that up
[08:58] <jpatrick> that does nothing^^
[09:00] <jpatrick> :/
[09:27] <veraz> hi
[09:37] <veraz> hi again , did someoe know a solution to my prob ?
[10:02] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[10:06] <smudo> hi all
[10:07] <smudo> question about kde's login
[10:07] <smudo> how do I reset the configuration to the default installed one?
[10:07] <smudo> !reconfigure
[10:07] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, smudo
[10:07] <smudo> !reinstall
[10:07] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, smudo
[10:08] <smudo> !dpkg
[10:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, dpkg is the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb
[10:08] <smudo> !dpkg reconfigure
[10:08] <ubotu> smudo: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:09] <Tm_T> =)
[10:10] <elvirolo> hi all
[10:10] <elvirolo> could anyone tell me what theme is used in that screenshot : http://masterfangorn.free.fr/weblog/images/screenshot/kdeapps/amarok-moby.png ?
[10:10] <Tm_T> hi kids
[10:11] <elvirolo> no ideas ?
[10:12] <buz> window decoration is probably plastik
[10:12] <buz> no idea as for the rest
[10:12] <Tm_T> hum
[10:13] <elvirolo> ok thanks anyway :)
[10:13] <Tm_T> lemme see...
[10:13] <Tm_T> png... takes some time to open, so get some coffee =)
[10:14] <elvirolo> :-P
[10:14] <Tm_T> hum, pretty default
[10:45] <smudo> grrrrrrrrrrr
[10:46] <smudo> this still doesn't work
[10:46] <smudo> I need some help getting my kubuntu installation working.  I can't log in.
[10:49] <smudo> anyone?
[11:08] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> smudo: I'm not exactly an expert, but I'll try to help. What seems to be the problem?
[11:09] <Tm_T> can't log in?
[11:09] <Tm_T> specify, please :)
[11:11] <smudo> back...sorry
[11:11] <smudo> I log in through the KDM interface, and it just goes back to the interface after going black.
[11:12] <smudo> I can log in through the alt-n just fine.
[11:12] <Tm_T> ah
[11:12] <Tm_T> smudo: #kde
[11:12] <smudo> cool
[11:12] <smudo> I'll try there.
[11:12] <Tm_T> I think it's very kde-based error
[11:12] <smudo> Last time I was there it was waaaaay too noisy to get my question in. =-)
[11:12] <smudo> thanks
[11:13] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Use bold
[11:13] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Damn
[11:17] <_tobias> hello, i have a usb printer and my os automatically mounts the printer into /dev/usb/lp0 when i turn the printer on. i had the problem that cups couldnt find the printer so i change the rights of the device /dev/usb/lp0 to 755. after that the printer worked perfectly fine. but when i turn the printer off and on again the device /dev/usb/lp0 has the old rights and i cant access to it untill i change the rights. is there any way to permana
[11:17] <_tobias> e hotpluging system or something else?
[11:33] <ray_> hello guys
[11:34] <ray_> did you guys here about firefox 1.5?
[11:34] <ray_> ibm is donating a huge chunk of code to help firefox
[11:42] <rem__> .
[11:45] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> That was...different
[12:03] <Liquidfire-serve> yay, my kde is working
[12:03] <Liquidfire-serve> =D
[12:03] <Liquidfire-serve> I like it much more then gnome
[12:03] <Liquidfire-serve> :o
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Purty, innit?
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> sure
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> :D
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> now I only wonder why i can't force my x-server screen not good :o
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> it can go a max like 200
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> but i can only get 85
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> Oo
[12:04] <Liquidfire-serve> I set everything right
[12:05] <ubuntu> hello newbie here 
[12:05] <ubuntu> u using kubuntu?
[12:05] <ubuntu> 5.04
[12:05] <Liquidfire-serve> who me ?
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I'm guessing most of us are, yes
[12:05] <Liquidfire-serve> I'm using ubuntu 
[12:05] <Liquidfire-serve> :o
[12:05] <ubuntu> um yeah 
[12:05] <Liquidfire-serve> with kde
[12:05] <EasterSunshine> i'm using doze
[12:05] <Liquidfire-serve> :p
[12:06] <EasterSunshine> lynch me
[12:06] <ubuntu> ubuntu not kubuntu?
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> bites EasterSunshine 
[12:06] <ubuntu> whats the diff 
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> nope
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> dunno really lol
[12:06] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[12:06] <EasterSunshine> ubuntu is gnome, and kubuntu is with kde
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> kubuntu more proffesional version :o?
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> oh 
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> =] 
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> k
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> :D
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> kde is more windows like
[12:06] <ubuntu> o
[12:06] <Liquidfire-serve> then gnome
[12:07] <EasterSunshine> they have different primary desktop enviornments but you can turn ubuntu to kubuntu by installing kde and removing gnome
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> imo
[12:07] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> except it works
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> yes
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> ;)
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> I think i'm going to install kde on my friends pc's
[12:07] <ubuntu> cool well i'v used a number of diff distros but never ubuntu or kubuntu
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> instead of gnome
[12:07] <ubuntu> im using a live cd now 
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> ah
[12:07] <ubuntu> i dont lik it
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> kubuntu and ubuntu are great 
[12:07] <Liquidfire-serve> first linux distro i'm using
[12:08] <EasterSunshine> Liquidfire-serve: you can't say its great if its the only one you used
[12:08] <BTJustice> How do you allow root to log into KDE?