[12:04] <tseng> done.
[12:26] <Mez> ajmitch, linmodem.com
[02:04] <slomo> reeee
[02:26] <slomo> hm... is the agenda for the motumeeting up to date?
[02:27] <crimsun> Mez: what's the issue with mythtv?
[02:27] <Mez> 2005-08-23 01:19:46.671 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
[02:27] <Mez> 2005-08-23 01:19:46.703 Not compiled with any useable video output method.
[02:27] <Mez> apparently
[02:28] <Mez> yet ./configure shows that it is
[02:28] <Mez> # Video Output Support
[02:28] <Mez> x11 support      yes
[02:29] <tseng> xv?
[02:29] <Mez> xv ... ?
[02:29] <Mez> no ..
[02:29] <Mez> not on my compile or on the buildd
[02:29] <crimsun> hmm, is x11 distinct from xv for mythtv, too?
[02:30] <crimsun> (I know it is for mplayer)
[02:30] <tseng> yes
[02:30] <mbreit> slomo: the meeting agenda in the wiki is outdated, we discussed all that on the last meeting
[02:31] <crimsun> well, since I'm waiting for wxwidgets2.6, I may as well help with mythtv
[02:31] <slomo> mbreit: ok, thanks
[02:32] <Mez> tseng: is xv needed for myth?
[02:32] <tseng> needed? i dont think
[02:33] <Mez> then why wont this damn thing work
[02:33] <crimsun> Mez: would you post your working diff.gz?
[02:33] <crimsun> (I presume against 0.18.1?)
[02:33] <Mez> crimsun - I havent changed anything
[02:33] <Mez> I at-get source'd it
[02:34] <crimsun> ok
[02:34] <Mez> changing a couple of things now
[02:34] <Mez> is wv from the builldd?
[02:35] <Mez> nvm that
[02:35] <Mez> I just want a working mythtv
[02:35] <Mez> it says it has some outputs
[02:35] <Mez> so why dont they work
[02:35] <Mez> is it possible cause I'm trying to run on my normal session
[02:35] <Mez> doing an xhost +
[02:37] <crimsun> that shouldn't matter, but xhost + is deprecated. Use xauth export/merge instead.
[02:37] <Mez> ?
[02:38] <crimsun> (xhost + presents a huge security hole)
[02:38] <Mez> no idea how to use that
[02:38] <Mez> crimsun - I understand that :D
[02:38] <Mez> Ill sort out access soon
[02:38] <crimsun> xauth export foo :0 && sudo xauth merge foo && rm foo
[02:39] <crimsun> the man page is probably more informative
[02:39] <crimsun> Mez: are you building from the source on dijkstra.csh.rit.edu?
[02:39] <Mez> no...
[02:39] <Mez> from archive.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <crimsun> pool from Debian?
[02:40] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[02:40] <Mez> should I be trying to build from somewhere else?
[02:41] <Mez> god this is such a pain in the ass just to watch tV
[02:41] <crimsun> well, 0.18 is in Ubuntu's pool, but he has 0.18.1 source
[02:42] <Mez> lol
[02:42] <Mez> so I should be using what?
[02:42] <Mez> dijkstra?
[02:42] <crimsun> I don't know how far \sh has gotten with 0.18.1
[02:42] <crimsun> Mez: that's where I'm starting
[02:42] <Mez> I just want to have something that works
[02:43] <Mez> whats the full URL?
[02:43] <crimsun> ok, then I recommend http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source/
[02:46] <donsmith> Is this the place to suggest packages for universe?
[02:46] <crimsun> yes
[02:46] <donsmith> I've compiled both of these on my own, but I have no Idea how to do packaging
[02:46] <Mez> maybe time to learn?
[02:47] <donsmith> I'd like to suggest mcatalog (a mono bookshelf/dvdshelf app) and banshee ( a mono itunes clone)
[02:47] <mbreit> donsmith: banshee is already on the list...
[02:47] <crimsun> anything mono related I suggest you coordinate with tseng. He's our mono dude.
[02:47] <donsmith> I'd be willing to learn but I don't have much free time so I couldn't do anything substantial
[02:48] <mbreit> donsmith: but i am waiting for ipod-sharp to be released... and for a new banshee release... then i will make a package
[02:48] <slomo> donsmith: when you need help packaging mcatalog just ask me... or give me an url and i'll create a package
[02:48] <donsmith> That's awesome thanks
[02:48] <donsmith> http://www.mcatalog.net/
[02:48] <tseng> banshee..
[02:49] <crimsun> donsmith: please check out wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:49] <mbreit> btw: could someone upload a londonlaw fix for me?
[02:49] <tseng> sorry, that is a breezy+1 thing
[02:49] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/londonlaw_0.2.1-1ubuntu3.debdiff
[02:49] <donsmith> the only trick is that it requires a explicit mention in the ld_library_path to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[02:49] <slomo> donsmith: mcatalog looks nice on the screenshot... i'll make a package ;)
[02:50] <tseng> slomo: it is a cool app
[02:50] <donsmith> thanks slomo
[02:50] <donsmith> tseng: did you say that mcatalog would be breezy+1 or banshee?
[02:50] <tseng> banshee
[02:50] <tseng> mcatalog is fine by me
[02:51] <donsmith> awesome
[02:52] <crimsun> mbreit: looking
[02:52] <mbreit> crimsun: thanks!
[02:52] <slomo> donsmith: i'll just fix gcl before i get to it... the firefox stuff was for mcatalog?
[02:52] <donsmith> yup
[02:52] <tseng> mbreit: i need ipod-sharp for breezy+1 also
[02:52] <tseng> mbreit: for dopi
[02:52] <donsmith> thanks slomo
[02:53] <tseng> mbreit: that will be one of our top priorities next cycle, I think
[02:53] <mbreit> tseng: great ;) i am looking forward to package banshee...
[02:53] <tseng> rock on
[02:53] <tseng> have you met the debian mono team yet?
[02:53] <mbreit> tseng: will you do a cvs-snapshot if there is still no release after breezy?
[02:53] <mbreit> tseng: no
[02:54] <tseng> no, i will beat up abock
[02:54] <donsmith> They have tagged releases in cvs of banshee
[02:54] <tseng> meh
[02:54] <tseng> there were releases as sonance
[02:54] <tseng> a long time ago
[02:54] <tseng> abock is contracting at novell on it now
[02:54] <tseng> and some other dudes working on it
[02:55] <tseng> maybe in the next few weeks we will see something
[02:55] <tseng> for suse10
[02:55] <donsmith> they say that opensuse is gonna have it
[02:55] <mbreit> tseng: are you talking about banshee or ipod-sharp?
[02:55] <tseng> banshee
[02:55] <tseng> i guess both
[02:55] <tseng> they are inter-related
[02:55] <mbreit> i meant ipod-sharp ;)
[02:56] <tseng> well, same answer
[02:56] <mbreit> okay
[02:56] <tseng> i will beat up on abock AND snorp in the case
[02:56] <tseng> snorp loves the abuse
[02:56] <mbreit> *g*
[02:56] <crimsun> mbreit: done.
[02:56] <tseng> he cant get enough of me.
[02:56] <mbreit> crimsun: thanks!
[02:57] <Mez> crimsun: new set says # Video Output Support
[02:57] <Mez> x11 support      no
[02:57] <Mez> xrandr support   no
[02:57] <Mez> xv support       no
[02:57] <Mez> XvMC support     no
[02:57] <Mez> XvMC VLD support no
[02:57] <Mez> OpenGL vsync     yes
[02:57] <Mez> DirectFB         no
[02:58] <tseng> ajmitch: btw, how is selinux?
[02:58] <ajmitch> tseng: crap as ever ;)
[02:58] <tseng> har
[02:58] <tseng> so much for big mouths
[02:58] <ajmitch> the only recent patches for pam are against 0.78/.79
[02:58] <ajmitch> so backporting for a critical package is a pain
[02:59] <tseng> :/
[02:59] <ajmitch> as well as having to rewrite passwd
[02:59] <tseng> sucks
[02:59] <ajmitch> various other little things
[02:59] <ajmitch> yeah, and I didn't spend enough time on it
[02:59] <tseng> manoj will save us
[02:59] <tseng> in etch
[02:59] <ajmitch> so it's mostly my fault
[02:59] <ajmitch> yep
[02:59] <ajmitch> packages are getting selinux support turned on in sid
[02:59] <tseng> have you met manoj?
[02:59] <tseng> its an experience
[03:00] <ajmitch> no, I haven't
[03:00] <tseng> too bad
[03:00] <ajmitch> is he as pedantic as on the debian lists & irc?
[03:00] <tseng> yes
[03:00] <tseng> he is insane about keysigning
[03:00] <tseng> i could not believe what i was seeing
[03:00] <ajmitch> oh yeah
[03:00] <ajmitch> I've seen his protocol online
[03:01] <tseng> its a wonder i didnt loose his damn card
[03:01] <tseng> with the challenge response
[03:01] <Mez> how can i find out which package a file belongs to
[03:01] <tseng> dpkg -S file
[03:03] <ajmitch> or dlocate -S
[03:03] <Mez> lol
[03:03] <Mez> /usr/bin/xinit was in the .... xinit package
[03:04] <mbreit> btw: could someone also upload http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/ickle_0.3.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[03:04] <mbreit> (but that one needs a short review.... it's a very broken package :( )
[03:05] <Mez> if it's broken then why upload?
[03:05] <ajmitch> great, xnest works, I can test f-spot
[03:05] <Mez> and -0 it looks like it would break UVF ?
[03:05] <tseng> hot
[03:05] <Mez> crimsun: you still around?
[03:06] <mbreit> Mez: are you talking to me? (... broken ...)
[03:07] <crimsun> Mez: yes
[03:07] <Mez> crimsun: the new package needs a slight change
[03:08] <Mez> to make it pick up X
[03:08] <crimsun> yep, I'm working on the b-d
[03:08] <crimsun> what have you adjusted thus far?
[03:08] <Mez> just added xinit
[03:08] <crimsun> ok
[03:08] <Mez> what have you adjusted?
[03:09] <crimsun> nothing yet, just merged the libmysqlclient14-dev diff from -2ubuntu2
[03:10] <Mez> why does that need to be done?
[03:10] <ajmitch> rock, I have a sid gnome session running in Xnest from the chroot
[03:11] <tseng> oh thats awesome
[03:11] <tseng> i need that setup
[03:11] <ajmitch> doesn't work terribly well, the menus show & then disappear
[03:11] <tseng> i see
[03:11] <tseng> well i can vouch for it not sucking
[03:11] <tseng> if that means anything
[03:12] <crimsun> Mez: it doesn't; I didn't look at 0.18.1's changes (oops)
[03:13] <donsmith> hey quick question, does anyone here know of a irc client for linux like colloquy on the mac?
[03:13] <tseng> screenshot?
[03:13] <Mez> :P
[03:13] <tseng> ive never heard of it
[03:13] <Mez> crimsun: hehe
[03:14] <mbreit> tseng: http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html
[03:14] <donsmith> http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html
[03:14] <donsmith> oops beat me
[03:14] <tseng> that isnt that far off from xchat-gnome
[03:14] <tseng> just a littler bit shinnier
[03:14] <donsmith> well the best view is the bubble theme
[03:15] <tseng> i hate the speech bubble stuff
[03:15] <donsmith> it's kinda like ichat irc
[03:15] <donsmith> yeah I just think it makes thingss less intimidating
[03:25] <mbreit> n8 all
[03:37] <crimsun> Mez: are you building on i386?
[03:37] <Mez> trying
[03:38] <Mez> well, building on k7
[03:38] <crimsun> ok, it'll snag nastily on amd64 (my dev environment)
[03:38] <Mez> maybe I shoiuld use dev.k.o.u
[03:38] <crimsun> mpegvideo.c:26: error: extended registers have no high halves
[03:38] <crimsun> I'll have to look at this later tonight
[03:38] <Mez> yeah, it's building fine for me ... so far
[03:39] <Mez> I'm just trying to work out where the mixer for my TV card's gone :D
[03:40] <Mez> lol
[03:40] <Mez> well
[03:40] <Mez> er...
[03:40] <Mez> mythtv's always been broken on anythng but 1386 hasnt it
[03:43] <LaserJock> heah, guys i have a question. I would like to see the newest version of Scigraphica packaged, I guess for Breezy. Where can I see if anybody is working on it?
[04:06] <ajmitch> Mez: that troll in #u-d isn't even very good at it :)
[04:07] <Mez> ajmitch, lol :D I know
[04:58] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[04:58] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:59] <jsgotangco> does the current build has in issue regarding gtk/cairo dependencies?
[08:36] <jtan325> hi. i am looking to make a debian package for an unpackaged program, conky, and would like some tips on where to start.
[08:36] <jtan325> i know the debian policy manual is essential
[08:36] <jtan325> and i've browsed through what i could find on the wiki
[08:36] <jtan325> but are there other good places for information, either ubuntu-specific or for debian packaging?
[08:36] <ajmitch> the new maintainer's guide is a start, but it's a bit lacking
[08:42] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, right
[08:43] <jsgotangco> IntroDeveloperDocs right?
[08:45] <siretart> morning
[08:46] <jtan325> so that's about it
[08:46] <jtan325> ?
[08:46] <jtan325> for resources on where to start
[08:47] <siretart> jtan325: did you already look at DeveloperRessources?
[08:47] <siretart> jtan325: I put there some links to debian-woman, I like their tutorials
[08:49] <jtan325> looks good
[08:49] <jtan325> thanks
[08:49] <jtan325> and
[08:49] <jtan325> what is the submission policy for breezy
[08:49] <jtan325> deadlines?
[08:49] <siretart> we are already in feature freeze
[08:50] <siretart> that means we are now stabilizing breezy
[08:50] <Burgundavia> jtan325, if you are speaking about new packages, for universe mdz has oked them until the end, but you need to get a motu to approve it
[08:50] <siretart> but for universe, we are a bit more lax for 'leaf' packages, i.e. packages with no reverse dependencies
[08:51] <siretart> ah, hi Burgundavia
[08:51] <Burgundavia> salut siretart
[08:52] <jtan325> sorry, i've heard of dependencies
[08:52] <jtan325> but reverse dependencies?
[08:52] <jtan325> and mdz = what?
[08:53] <phlaegel> mdz is an ubuntu developer
[08:53] <robitaille> mzd = man in charge of everything (Matt Zimmerman)
[08:53] <siretart> jtan325: reverse dependencies are packages, which depend on a given package
[08:53] <robitaille> s/mzd/mdz
[08:53] <Treenaks> mdz is the LEAD UBUNTU DEVELOPER </sounder>
[08:54] <jtan325> lol good to know
[08:54] <jtan325> siretart, as opposed to dependencies then?
[08:54] <jtan325> i thought dependencies are a package relying on some other package...
[08:54] <siretart> jtan325: dependencies are packages, which a package depend on. see the difference?
[08:55] <siretart> +s
[08:55] <jtan325> ohhhh
[08:55] <jtan325> i see
[08:55] <jtan325> ok
[08:55] <siretart> think of an dependency tree
[08:55] <jtan325> and "bit more lax"
[08:55] <jtan325> means what?
[08:56] <jtan325> conky is a little system monitor program, revived from the de-funct torsmo package
[08:56] <siretart> a bit more lax means, that we update 'leaf' packages, when we believe they are a useful addition and don't destabilize the universe :)
[08:56] <phlaegel> speaking of new packages, I'd like to see the zero-install injector in universe. It's a pretty simple python app.
[08:56] <jtan325> ok
[08:56] <Seveas> Treenaks, hehehe :)
[08:57] <jtan325> but i mean, so there's no real deadlines then?
[08:57] <siretart> phlaegel: do you already have it prepared? is it ready for inclusion?
[08:57] <jtan325> i have no idea how long it'll take for me to make a good package of conky
[08:57] <jtan325> so that's only why i ask
[08:57] <jtan325> so i know how hard i gotta work every day :-)
[08:57] <siretart> jtan325: well, thats a difficult question. The deadline is already over, in principle
[08:57] <jtan325> yeah
[08:57] <phlaegel> siretart: I'm just looking at the packaging docs on the wiki... all I've done so far is take the debian package from the z-i site and rebuild it to work on ubuntu.
[08:58] <siretart> jtan325: in practical, for hoary, we had xfce fixed only a day the archive was closed for cd manufacturing, IIRC
[08:58] <siretart> but nobody really want that.
[08:58] <jtan325> yeah
[08:58] <jtan325> what's the honest estimate on learning how to package
[08:58] <jtan325> for a guy who's pretty familiar with shell scripting and unix
[08:58] <siretart> phlaegel: so upstream already provides debian packages?
[08:59] <jtan325> (time estimate)
[08:59] <Seveas> jtan325, it takes about 3 to 5 packages before you do it correctly :)
[08:59] <phlaegel> siretart: yeah, but they need some changes... all I did was remove the python << 2.4 dep and change contents from /usr/lib/python2.3 to 2.4
[08:59] <jtan325> oh man
[08:59] <jtan325> haha
[08:59] <siretart> jtan325: that really depends on the complexity of your package. easy packages are done in few minutes for an expirienced packager. to learn that, it's not much more than a few hours. for a more complex package, its not forseeable, I think :)
[09:00] <jtan325> then i better work hard
[09:00] <jtan325> so. debian policy manual. debian new main. guide
[09:00] <Seveas> jtan325, it takes months/years before you can package glibc or the kernel :)
[09:00] <jtan325> and the stuff on the developer wiki page
[09:00] <siretart> phlaegel: cool!
[09:00] <jtan325> or is that too much reading?
[09:00] <jtan325> conky really only has one dependency, i think it's on the low end of complexity
[09:01] <siretart> phlaegel: If you think, your package is ready for inclusion, you need to show your package to MOTU's, and get 3 advocates (MOTUs). then we upload your package
[09:01] <siretart> phlaegel: iterate that a few times with fixing existing packages, and you'll become a MOTU on your own :)
[09:01] <jtan325> so it's good for me to practice on, and i'd like to get it done fast but as high quality as possible too
[09:01] <jtan325> debian policy manual is huge....
[09:01] <siretart> oh yes
[09:01] <siretart> but debian is huge, too
[09:02] <phlaegel> siretart: ok, so I'll look over docs and see what else I need to do to it. should I just come back here to get advocates?
[09:02] <jtan325> hmmm ok well i better get cracking then. i am sure i'll be looking for help in the future here. thanks
[09:03] <siretart> phlaegel: in principle, yes. Nowadays, we have a platform to present those packages. It is called 'REVU'
[09:03] <siretart> phlaegel: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu
[09:04] <phlaegel> siretart: great, thanks.
[09:04] <siretart> it was written to faciliate the reviewing process for us MOTU's. but you see the backlog ;)
[09:05] <phlaegel> yeah... so if I upload there, will it make it through in time?
[09:05] <phlaegel> for breezy, I mean
[09:05] <siretart> I'm very confident
[09:06] <siretart> we make review days on a regular basis
[09:06] <phlaegel> ok, excellent... I'll look it over in the morning then. thanks again. time to sleep now. :-)
[09:06] <siretart> It is 9am over here :)
[09:06] <phlaegel> midnight here
[09:06] <siretart> hehe
[09:12] <\sh> morning
[09:17] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[09:18] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[09:18] <\sh> hope to get a sponsorship as well...
[09:19] <ajmitch> yeah, you deserve it more than I do
[09:19] <\sh> no...I don't even know if I can get those days off
[09:19] <ajmitch> ah
[09:19] <\sh> and I don't know...if i have to pay the visas fee at the immigration or if I should apply for it here at the embassy
[09:20] <ajmitch> I've already asked & got approved for time off
[09:20] <\sh> i will ask today..call the embassy and get everything straight
[09:21] <\sh> well..tourist visa...6months..51 
[09:21] <\sh> or 75 C$
[09:22] <\sh> anyways...need a coffee...before the customers are calling in...after i destroyed their sdt
[09:22] <ajmitch> not bad
[09:22] <\sh> hehe
[09:22] <ajmitch> heh
[09:22] <\sh> br
[09:22] <\sh> b
[09:26] <siretart> hi \sh
[09:26] <siretart> sponsorship for what?
[09:26] <siretart> did I miss something?
[09:26] <ajmitch> UbuntuBelowZero
[09:26] <siretart> aah! :)
[09:27] <robitaille> as if it will that cold in Montreal in October....
[09:28] <ajmitch> colder than NZ, I'd imagine :)
[09:28] <robitaille> now if it was in February, then it will really be below zero :)
[09:28] <ajmitch> UDU was nice & warm in sydney
[09:28] <Burgundavia> montreal will not be that cold
[09:32] <jsgotangco> my god
[09:32] <jsgotangco> they can't be serious
[09:32] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: ?
[09:32] <siretart> ajmitch: do you have a notify on the whole wiki? ;)
[09:33] <jsgotangco> he does
[09:33] <ajmitch> yes, I do
[09:33] <siretart> hehe
[09:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: do you read it all?
[09:33] <ajmitch> Treenaks: of course not :)
[09:33] <robitaille> who would do that?
[09:33] <robitaille> :)
[09:33] <ajmitch> just the interesting bits
[09:33] <ajmitch> interesting bits just happen to be spread all over the wiki though
[09:34] <robitaille> It's intersting to note that most wiki editing these days are about laptops tests
[09:34] <ajmitch> yes
[09:34] <ajmitch> the laptop testing team has really taken off
[09:34] <ajmitch> Burgundavia's template is great
[09:34] <jsgotangco> what is the temp at Montreal during these months?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> has a few bugs
[09:35] <jsgotangco> (late Oct to Nov)
[09:35] <robitaille> probably 5C at night 10C during the days
[09:35] <Treenaks> link? :)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> possibly some snow if it dips below freezing
[09:35] <jsgotangco> brrrr
[09:35] <ajmitch> oh man
[09:35] <ajmitch> google local rocks..
[09:36] <Treenaks> Shit!
[09:36] <Burgundavia> hey, april/may is almost worse
[09:36] <Burgundavia> hot and sticky
[09:37] <Treenaks> We planned a Dutch LoCoTeam meeting (2 days of hacking in a bungalow) right around that time
[09:37] <robitaille> chances of snow in late Oct/early Nov in Montreal are slim.  But I grew up 500km north of Montreal, and tradionally first real snow was at that time.
[09:38] <robitaille> monthly temp averages:  http://tinyurl.com/99qs2
[09:40] <jsgotangco> hahaha wiki collision
[09:40] <jsgotangco> wtf
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, my extensive blogging and posting has also helped
[09:43] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: done
[09:51] <jsgotangco> ahh there's a love day
[09:51] <jsgotangco> that's good
[09:52] <Burgundavia> anybody know who is working on NM now?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> seems to be the hated step-child
[09:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: not sure, I think it's stuck in universe now due to immaturity
[09:52] <siretart> Burgundavia: I've seen j^ talking yesterday about it
[09:52] <\sh> ah fresh coffee
[09:52] <siretart> Burgundavia: in #ubuntu-devel
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:53] <Burgundavia> don't worry about it
[09:54] <Burgundavia> montreal is completely bilingual
[09:54] <ajmitch> I know
[09:54] <Burgundavia> the servers have a habit of responding to broken french in english
[09:55] <\sh> Burgundavia: do u know if I can pay the visa at immigration office at montreal airport?
[09:56] <\sh> or whereever I will land
[09:56] <\sh> I don't know if I have to apply for the visa at our local embassy or if I get one at immigrations
[09:56] <ajmitch> local embassy, usually
[09:56] <jsgotangco> id rather consult the local embassy
[09:56] <jsgotangco> just to be safe
[09:57] <robitaille> \sh:  I don't know.    never heard of anyone paying it at the airport on arrival
[09:57] <\sh> well...then I have to call them today to get the informations
[09:57] <ajmitch> why today?
[09:57] <jsgotangco> well you can just check online
[09:57] <Burgundavia> \sh, if you need a visa (which germans shouldn't), then you should get it beforehand
[09:57] <jsgotangco> and see the requirements
[09:58] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: where?
[09:58] <Treenaks> oh http://www.columbusguides.co.uk/data/can/can040.asp
[09:58] <Burgundavia> europeans shouldn't need visas
[09:58] <jsgotangco> yeah generally
[09:58] <\sh> oh i don't need a visa...so the information is wrong on the mentioned page of the wiki page
[09:59] <ajmitch> \sh: yep
[09:59] <\sh> I just read it on the german canadian embassy page ,-)
[09:59] <Treenaks> VISAS:  Required by all except the following for stays of up to six months:
[09:59] <Treenaks> (b) 5. nationals of EU countries (except Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Slovak Republic, who do require a visa);
[09:59] <ajmitch> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html
[10:00] <robitaille> http://canadainternational.gc.ca/gtc/Going_To_Canada-en.aspx  is the official web site from the Canadian government
[10:00] <\sh> Treenaks: it's wrong ,-)
[10:00] <ajmitch> robitaille: yeah, similar to what I saw
[10:00] <\sh> or didn't i understand the text correctly
[10:00] <robitaille> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html    Germany is not in there
[10:01] <ajmitch> \sh: you misunderstood
[10:01] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...:)
[10:01] <ajmitch> robitaille: look at the bottom, it has the exceptions
[10:01] <\sh> i should learn french
[10:01] <robitaille> \sh you don't need french in Montreal.
[10:01] <ajmitch> robitaille: it's fun to learn though
[10:01] <robitaille> downtown montreal is actually more english than french
[10:01] <robitaille> I was born with it :)
[10:02] <robitaille> now english was another story...
[10:02] <jsgotangco> $75 is not too bad
[10:02] <siretart> does anyone now sh@warma.dk?
[10:02] <siretart> know
[10:03] <siretart> even
[10:03] <ajmitch> siretart: no, haven't seen him round
[10:03] <ajmitch> unless I don't recognise the nick
[10:03] <siretart> ajmitch: he has worked on turck-mmcache, but the debian bugreports look very scary
[10:04] <siretart> ajmitch: scary as in 'the licence renders it undistributable'
[10:04] <ajmitch> turck-mmcache is dropped upstream
[10:04] <siretart> but eaccelerator is not yet available
[10:04] <lathiat> ah yes turck
[10:04] <ajmitch> forked to become eaccelerator after the turck author got hired by zend
[10:04] <lathiat> the php accelerator that got so good
[10:04] <ajmitch> I had similar issues with it
[10:04] <lathiat> that he was hired by zend
[10:04] <lathiat> and it stopped development
[10:04] <ajmitch> I've heard that APC is very nice
[10:04] <ajmitch> lathiat: yes, as I just said ;)
[10:05] <lathiat> lag
[10:05] <ajmitch> you need a faster tin can & string
[10:05] <lathiat> its true
[10:05] <ajmitch> maybe if you move to korea
[10:06] <lathiat> watching #commits is veerryy interesting
[10:06] <ajmitch> oh?
[10:06] <lathiat> see all sorts of cool stuff
[10:06] <ajmitch> what projects?
[10:06] <lathiat> such as someone commiting an ebuild for avahi to gentoo this morning
[10:06] <lathiat> yeh
[10:06] <lathiat> it spews everything in there
[10:06] <ajmitch> yeah, I've been in there
[10:08] <\sh> ok...I just blocked those days for holiday...w8 for approval
[10:08] <ajmitch> :)
[10:08] <jsgotangco> nice
[10:08] <ajmitch> took me about 30 seconds to get approval at our weekly work meeting
[10:09] <jsgotangco> hmmm forcing to join an AP doesnt work either
[10:09] <jsgotangco> i am blessed
[10:10] <Burgundavia> couldn't figure out why my wireless was not working in either OS today. Discovered I have a hardware switch for turning on and off my wireless. Guess which position it was in?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> my blog isnt aggregated
[10:10] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I know, but I stumbled across it in google
[10:10] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:10] <jsgotangco> right
[10:10] <ajmitch> when searching for something about dunedin
[10:10] <jsgotangco> planet doesn't like my blog
[10:10] <ajmitch> and you mentioned me :)
[10:10] <jsgotangco> right
[10:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:11] <sedak> hello all !
[10:11] <jsgotangco> i should have enough money by january to go to LCA just in case
[10:12] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: that would be good
[10:12] <ajmitch> hi sedak
[10:13] <sedak> i was wondering, what is supposed to be in the distribution field in the changelog for new package ?
[10:13] <ajmitch> breezy
[10:13] <sedak> ok
[10:13] <sedak> i change that unstable then :-)
[10:21] <ogra> argh
[10:21] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[10:21] <\sh> ogra: g'morning
[10:22] <ogra> siretart, gnome-power is obsoleted by gnome-power-manager
[10:22] <Burgundavia> siretart, does londonlaw not build against gtk 2.6?
[10:22] <Burgundavia> siretart, s/gtk 2.6/wx 2.6
[10:23] <siretart> Burgundavia: last time I tried, I think it did
[10:23] <siretart> ogra: oh. I just wanted to help and get it installable
[10:23] <Burgundavia> siretart, ok, the latest package has some interesting issues
[10:23] <siretart> Burgundavia: interesting as in what?
[10:23] <\sh> hmmm....launchpad integration into gajim
[10:23] <ogra> siretart, yes, my fault, it should have been morgiufied
[10:23] <\sh> would be nice
[10:23] <Burgundavia> siretart, ImportError: No module named wxversion
[10:24] <siretart> Burgundavia: which version did you try?
[10:24] <siretart> mine or the version mbreit touched?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> siretart, -ubuntu3
[10:24] <ogra> \sh, talk to upstream, if they use libgnomeui it will be automated :)
[10:24] <siretart> ok. will look into it
[10:24] <\sh> ogra: no...they use only pygtk...no gnome stuff
[10:25] <\sh> but
[10:25] <ogra> then you have to patch it :/
[10:26] <\sh> well...what about adding some python2.4-gnome2 calls
[10:26] <\sh> should be easy
[10:26] <\sh> actually...let me fix the package first
[10:32] <\sh> can gnome display .ico files as well as menu icons?
[10:35] <ogra> i never tried
[10:39] <\sh> doesn't matter...i will provide a new one :)
[10:40] <ajmitch> oh, I know, cleaning the agenda for the MOTU meeting
[10:40] <siretart> when is the next meeting?
[10:41] <ajmitch> 24th, 2000 UTC
[10:41] <siretart> tomorrow then. thanks
[10:41] <ajmitch> so in < 36 hours
[10:42] <siretart> :)
[10:44] <\sh> hmmm...how can I import an ical file directly from web in evolution?
[10:44] <\sh> the importing doesn't have network functionality
[10:44] <\sh> it seems...or I'm a gnome noob
[10:44] <siretart> \sh: try webcal:// instead of http://
[10:48] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting <-- please add your agenda items
[10:48] <jtan325> hi, another n00b question: what does "upstream sources" mean?
[10:49] <lathiat> jtan325: The sources coming from the project
[10:49] <\sh> hmmm..
[10:49] <\sh> cannot resolv hostname
[10:49] <jtan325> "If changes to the source code are made that are not specific to the needs of the Debian system, they should be sent to the upstream authors in whatever form they prefer so as to be included in the upstream version of the package."
[10:49] <lathiat> ajmitch: wanna come to the next CC meeting and blow my trumpet? :)
[10:50] <jtan325> i get the impression that it's a special version of the package
[10:50] <ajmitch> lathiat: sure, but that's next week
[10:50] <lathiat> ajmitch: i know :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> nasty topic limits..
[10:50] <ajmitch> TB meeting in 11 hours
[10:50] <lathiat> 4am tomororw huh
[10:50] <jtan325> or is it really just the in-development source
[10:51] <ajmitch> lathiat: thankfully 8AM for me
[10:51] <lathiat> jtan325: its whatever source you are using
[10:51] <lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[10:51] <lathiat> its ok
[10:51] <lathiat> i have this week off uni
[10:51] <ajmitch> nice
[10:51] <lathiat> and my sleeping pattern is sideways atm anyway
[10:51] <ajmitch> so you've got no excuse for missing the MOTU meeting
[10:51] <lathiat> so much so that my nana accused me of being on drugs
[10:51] <ajmitch> 4am thursday morning for you
[10:51] <ajmitch> haha
[10:52] <lathiat> yeh well uh
[10:52] <lathiat> someone remind me sometime earlier on wednesday :)
[10:52] <ajmitch> sure
[10:52] <ajmitch> what's your phone number? ;)
[10:53] <\sh> grmpf..
[10:53] <ajmitch> should be reasonably cheap from NZ->AU at that hour of the morning..
[10:53] <lathiat> {0,+61)415 924 736 :)
[10:53] <\sh> ogra: what is the best way to deliver a new binary file without chaging orig.tar.gz
[10:53] <lathiat> bah silly archlinux breaking their kernel headers
[10:53] <ogra> uuencode
[10:53] <lathiat> not that ubuntu didnt have the same problem a couple months ago
[10:54] <ogra>  /uudecode
[10:54] <\sh> hmm...
[10:54] <\sh> build-dep on sharutils
[10:54] <ogra> yup
[10:55] <\sh> ok..but this is the best solution
[10:55] <ogra> i guess you want to add an icon
[10:55] <ajmitch> lathiat: added it to my phone :)
[10:55] <lathiat> ajmitch: ok :)
[10:55] <\sh> ogra: yeah
[10:55] <ogra> then this is the best method :)
[11:07] <jtan325> is there a "good" package to unpack and look at the contents of, yet is not too complex?
[11:08] <jtan325> something that'd be good to learn from?
[11:08] <sedak> ogra, do you have a few minutes free to review a package ?
[11:09] <sedak> jtan325, i suppose you can look at a package using autotools, but i don't know which one :-)
[11:09] <siretart> jtan325: apt-get source hello
[11:10] <jtan325> ok thanks
[11:12] <jtan325> is there another way to "unpack" a .deb file besides apt-get source?
[11:12] <ajmitch> dpkg-source
[11:13] <\sh> a binary deb?
[11:13] <ajmitch> you generally don't unpack .deb files
[11:13] <\sh> because there r no source-deps ,-)
[11:13] <ajmitch> since a source package is (usually) a, orig.tar.gz, a .diff.gz, and a .dsc file :)
[11:14] <jtan325> man i am way too confused
[11:14] <jtan325> so i am readying this policy manual
[11:14] <jtan325> there are binary packages and source packages
[11:14] <ajmitch> policy is best used for reference :)
[11:14] <jtan325> oh
[11:14] <jtan325> is there something that starts from the ground up
[11:14] <\sh> jtan325: source packages == *.dsc, *.diff.gz, *.orig.tar.gz
[11:14] <siretart> Burgundavia: for londonlaw, I think the most intersting issue is that it is not installable..
[11:14] <jtan325> from someone who uses synaptic and apt-get install only :-)
[11:14] <siretart> ;)
[11:14] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[11:14] <ajmitch> \sh: did I not say that? :)
[11:15] <\sh> ajmitch: sometimes we have to repeat ,-)
[11:15] <Burgundavia> siretart, guess I am lucky, having it already installed
[11:15] <jtan325> lol
[11:15] <jtan325> i was going to get to that right next
[11:15] <ajmitch> haha
[11:15] <jtan325> but policy manual is listed as "essential"
[11:15] <jtan325> literally, on the debian site
[11:15] <jtan325> so i was like
[11:15] <mbreit> siretart: i fixed londonlaw yesterday...
[11:15] <jtan325> ok, alot of reading, but maybe i can get a good overview
[11:15] <mbreit> siretart: and it was installable before, but did not run
[11:16] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: yay! :)
[11:16] <\sh> ajmitch: we have time enough :) let me think about some points
[11:16] <siretart> mbreit: not it is not installable again, because of foo in wxwindows2.4, see the upload 20h ago, I'm already on it
[11:17] <mbreit> ouh? i think i build it against the new wxwindows?
[11:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, done
[11:17] <jtan325> also, i just realized I sorta stormed in here and started asking questions. am i even in the right place for this kind of stuff? is there a #ubuntu-motu-help or something?
[11:18] <ajmitch> \sh: I know, this is just my weekly bugging people about it ;)
[11:18] <siretart> mbreit: maybe or maybe not, in any case, dependencies must be adjusted as instructed in the changelog of wxwindows2.4
[11:18] <\sh> ajmitch: and the patches towards debian..utnubu-project ,-)
[11:18] <mbreit> siretart: that's true...
[11:18] <ajmitch> \sh: utnubu is only part of the solution
[11:18] <mbreit> siretart: but i just installed it again here... it _works_ ;)
[11:18] <ajmitch> we're the other part ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: wonderful topic there...
[11:19] <\sh> ajmitch: believe me...we will have enough work with getting all universe packages build for gcc4/g++4...breezy will be no "super duper release" for universe
[11:19] <ajmitch> \sh: I know :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> \sh: that's why I wanted to discuss what we are targetting - since noone seems to have a simple answer to 'how can I help?'
[11:20] <\sh> ajmitch: that's why I think, we should concentrate on fixing and polishing and upload our patches to malone...and debian should catch them
[11:20] <siretart> mbreit: no problem. Uplodaing ubuntu4 right now
[11:20] <mbreit> cool
[11:20] <siretart> Burgundavia: hrhr
[11:20] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you asked for it
[11:20] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: well, I was really asking for useful things to discuss
[11:21] <Burgundavia> I really want unfrgivens docs
[11:21] <ajmitch> so do I
[11:21] <ajmitch> I'm not sure how much he's done, but I'd like to see them anyway
[11:22] <siretart> GNAAAARF!
[11:22] <siretart> my subversion javahl with gcj patch doesn't work anymore :(
[11:22] <ajmitch> \sh: so do you have a list of packages that need gcc 4.0 love?
[11:23] <siretart> ajmitch: subversion :P
[11:23] <ajmitch> siretart: subversion itself is broken?
[11:24] <siretart> ajmitch: no. But in jul, I managed to get javahl built with gcj-4.0
[11:24] <ajmitch> aha
[11:24] <siretart> ajmitch: it is disabled atm for licensing reasons..
[11:24] <ajmitch> java == evil
[11:24] <siretart> jepp :/
[11:26] <mbreit> could someone upload http://mo42.ath.cx/maxima.debdiff for me?
[11:29] <mbreit> ajmitch: thanks
[11:30] <ajmitch> 10MB source, takes awhile
[11:30] <ajmitch> having sid in an Xnest window is odd :)
[11:30] <siretart> GNAAARF!
[11:30] <havoc> bah, morning :(
[11:31] <siretart> ajmitch: do you have a minute and could do my a favor?
[11:31] <ajmitch> siretart: sure
[11:31] <siretart> ajmitch: please do a apt-get source openal in sid, and do a `ls debian/*`
[11:31] <siretart> ajmitch: please note that debian/tmpbin
[11:32] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/
[11:32] <siretart> ajmitch: now have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323054 and and compare the date of the last upload with that bugreport
[11:32] <siretart> ajmitch: argl. sorry, silly me, I mixed the dates up
[11:32] <ajmitch> ok..
[11:33] <siretart> ajmitch: but still. do you think that would warrant an NMU?
[11:33] <ajmitch> \sh: is he throwing all of universe at that now?
[11:33] <\sh> I think it's everything
[11:33] <ajmitch> ok
[11:34] <\sh> ask lamont/infinity about it
[11:34] <ajmitch> siretart: give me time to d/l it :)
[11:34] <siretart> ok
[11:34] <ajmitch> \sh: infinity said that elmo was flushing the wanna-build db every few days
[11:36] <ajmitch> siretart: it's most likely just missing a /, right?
[11:36] <ajmitch> or I guess the packager is just on a little crack & using things like tmplib, tmpbin, etc...
[11:37] <siretart> ajmitch: it need the patch from here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323054
[11:37] <siretart> on crack hits the point
[11:37] <ajmitch> siretart: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=witten@debian.org - he doesn't seem overly reponsive to bugs
[11:38] <ajmitch> considering how many of the grave/serious bugs are just fixed in NMUs
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch: jepp :/
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch: and fenio is waiting for being able to update scorched3d. it needs this dammed openal-config
[11:38] <ajmitch> ugh
[11:39] <siretart> perhaps I sould raise severity
[11:39] <siretart> but its really trivial
[11:39] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:39] <ajmitch> trivial fix doesn't mean trivial severity
[11:39] <Burgundavia> siretart, did I mention that you totally rock (I am looking forward to kicking my brothers ass at scorched3d)
[11:39] <ajmitch> it's just that it's missing 1 file..
[11:39] <siretart> Burgundavia: it still not in breezy ;)
[11:40] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: perhaps if we all get to montreal, we can have a game or three :)
[11:40] <Burgundavia> siretart, yes, but it is being worked on. That is enough for me
[11:41] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, I see the maintainer did the last upload..
[11:41] <ajmitch> so with a bit of luck he might fix this one too
[11:42] <siretart> ajmitch: he updated to cvs version, miss the debian/tmpbin shit
[11:43] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: neither do I ;)
[11:44] <ajmitch> debian is like the ultimate in feudal states at times..
[11:44] <Burgundavia> to be honest, I am surprised they manage to do so much
[11:48] <pef> hello
[11:52] <pef> can someone have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=413 ?
[11:54] <StrikeForce> howdy all
[11:56] <siretart> how to retreive the shlibs file from a binary deb with dpkg-deb?
[11:57] <ajmitch> pef: looks fairly good..
[11:58] <ajmitch> siretart: why do you need to do that?
[11:58] <StrikeForce> Can someone have a look at http://www.smlintl.com.au/packages/ please
[11:58] <siretart> for fun. I try to check the bugs of openal
[11:58] <pef> siretart: hi
[11:58] <siretart> hi pef
[11:58] <ajmitch> siretart: as an example..
[11:58] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb -I libdoodle1_0.6.2-3ubuntu1_i386.deb shlibs
[11:59] <siretart> argl. -I was it
[11:59] <ajmitch> :)
[11:59] <StrikeForce> I think you looked at it before ajmitch
[11:59] <siretart> libopenal 0 libopenal0
[11:59] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: quite possibly
[11:59] <siretart> ajmitch: looks great, does it?
[11:59] <StrikeForce> lol
[11:59] <ajmitch> ah yes, rufus..
[11:59] <pef> siretart: can I get your vote again for this package ? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=413
[11:59] <ajmitch> you have an updated version, what changes?
[11:59] <siretart> pef: I'm just building it
[11:59] <Burgundavia> night all
[11:59] <siretart> gn8 Burgundavia
[12:00] <StrikeForce> well it works now
[12:00] <StrikeForce> lol
[12:00] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: always a good improvement ;)
[12:00] <StrikeForce> I didn't use the script at all
[12:00] <StrikeForce> so I just used dh_install
[12:01] <StrikeForce> although I had to re-do the source so the dll's are there
[12:01] <StrikeForce> I was going to add a command to delete the dll's
[12:01] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: ok, you can remove all those commented-out dh_* calls in debian/rules
[12:01] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: no, you really do have to make sure they're gone from the orig.tar.gz :)
[12:01] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[12:01] <ajmitch> this is one of those special cases where you *have* to repack the orig.tar.gz
[12:01] <StrikeForce> yeah I will I left most of the stuff there for the time being
[12:01] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[12:01] <ajmitch> :)
[12:02] <StrikeForce> I've still got lots of work to do yet but I wanted to know if the skeleton was ok
[12:02] <StrikeForce> I can clean most of it up
[12:03] <StrikeForce> also one question I did have when putting the source in the /usr/share/rufus should I take out all the docs?
[12:03] <ajmitch> I don't think you want to depend on wxpython2.5.3 (>= 2.5.3.1)
[12:03] <ajmitch> as it won't be in sid or breezy
[12:03] <StrikeForce> ahh k :(
[12:03] <StrikeForce> I haven't tried another version
[12:03] <StrikeForce> so I'm not sure if it'll work
[12:03] <ajmitch> I'd suggest trying wx 2.6
[12:04] <StrikeForce> erm just take it from breezy?
[12:04] <ajmitch> and looking at the changelog for wxpython 2.6 to see what the debian magic incantations are
[12:04] <ajmitch> yes
[12:04] <StrikeForce> huh? re wxpython?
[12:04] <ajmitch> we don't target new packages for hoary
[12:04] <StrikeForce> ahh yes fair enough
[12:04] <ajmitch> /usr/share/doc/wxpython2.6-0/changelog.gz
[12:05] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[12:05] <ajmitch> has the magic calls
[12:05] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[12:05] <StrikeForce> sweet I'll take a look
[12:05] <ajmitch> ok :)
[12:05] <StrikeForce> one question cause I just put it so it has wxpython > 2.5.3
[12:05] <ajmitch> there might be a new wxpython in the archive at the moment, or real soon now
[12:05] <StrikeForce> cause that would have the same effect then
[12:05] <StrikeForce> it would be greater than
[12:05] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[12:05] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: but you depended on wxpython2.5.3
[12:05] <ajmitch> there is no package called that
[12:05] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[12:06] <StrikeForce> cause thats what the package is called on my comp?
[12:06] <ajmitch> or at least there won't be :)
[12:06] <StrikeForce> or is it changing
[12:06] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[12:06] <StrikeForce> so I'll change the 2.5.3 to just wxpython (>=2.5.3.1
[12:06] <ajmitch> it's been removed from the archive, but not from your computer
[12:06] <StrikeForce> erm you know what I mean
[12:06] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[12:06] <StrikeForce> actually its probably removed from my comp I got the info off of there website
[12:07] <StrikeForce> and it was built against that so I figured I should use that :)
[12:07] <ajmitch> depend on python-wx2.6 if you want 2.6
[12:07] <ajmitch> but check - there were changes between 2.5.3 & 2.6
[12:07] <StrikeForce> no I just checked I don't have 2.6
[12:08] <StrikeForce> or python-wx2.6
[12:08] <StrikeForce> any other major stuff ups
[12:09] <ajmitch> are you running breezy?
[12:09] <StrikeForce> nope
[12:09] <StrikeForce> I'm running hoary
[12:10] <StrikeForce> I've been told not to use breezy cause its buggy
[12:10] <ajmitch> that will be why you don't have them then :)
[12:10] <pef> :)
[12:10] <StrikeForce> I suppose I should create a chroot env
[12:10] <lathiat> ajmitch: http://www.burtonini.com/debian/breezy/
[12:11] <ajmitch> excellent..
[12:11] <siretart> uh. raff definitly need a new home. bugs.d.o is reaaaaly dogslow :(
[12:12] <lathiat> they should be set to go now
[12:12] <lathiat> if you want to look
[12:12] <ajmitch> do you think I'll be allowed to bypass REVU, considering that these are done by a DD? :)
[12:12] <lathiat> haha
[12:12] <ajmitch> ogra_!
[12:12] <lathiat> maybe just ask a couple people to have a squeeze :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> lathiat: yeah, if ogra_ is actually around I'll beg for his approval
[12:13] <ogra_> GRMPF
[12:13] <lathiat> ajmitch: just dont upload yet
[12:13] <lathiat> ajmitch: might get a couple extra patches rolled in first
[12:13] <ajmitch> ogra_: avahi debs, made by a DD, want to get them into breezy, ok by you? :)
[12:14] <ajmitch> not in sid yet due to sid being ages behind ;)
[12:14] <\sh> ajmitch: did u check them_
[12:14] <\sh> ?
[12:14] <ajmitch> \sh: of course I'm checking them
[12:14] <\sh> no lunch util deskjet mir is fixed...damn russian channel
[12:14] <ajmitch> \sh: and lathiat is upstream
[12:14] <ogra_> ajmitch, expanding universe !! :)
[12:14] <\sh> ok now
[12:14] <ajmitch> ogra_: heh
[12:14] <ogra_> go ahead
[12:15] <ajmitch> thanks
[12:15] <lathiat> yay
[12:15] <ogra_> new packages are no problem... nothing depends on them, so they cant break much
[12:15] <ajmitch> ogra_: I know, but it bypasses our REVU procedures
[12:16] <ajmitch> but then so does apt-get.org
[12:16] <ogra_> yup
[12:16] <ogra_> ajmitch, if you approved it and its from a DD, i'm fine with that....
[12:16] <ajmitch> we've been having lots of reviewing fun
[12:16] <ajmitch> ogra_: ok, thanks
[12:18] <pef> brb
[12:19] <ajmitch> \sh: now what else was I going to approve of yours?
[12:20] <lathiat> ajmitch: http://bur.st/~lathiat/avahi-patches/
[12:20] <lathiat> ajmitch: throw those in debian/patches to review, i've sent them to ross to be added
[12:20] <ajmitch> lathiat: ok.. what do you want me to review? :)
[12:20] <lathiat> ajmitch: i dunno, just uh whatever? :)
[12:21] <lathiat> i'm just doing some more testing now myself
[12:21] <ajmitch> lathiat: heh ok
[12:22] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, was there anything else that needed doing?
[12:24] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: probably, but I just did a quick look..
[12:24] <StrikeForce> kk
[12:25] <StrikeForce> Should I just create a chroot environment or install all of breezy?
[12:26] <ajmitch> chroot
[12:26] <StrikeForce> kk
[12:26] <siretart> are orig.tar.gz allowed in the mean time?
[12:26] <Mez> what version has FF breakages
[12:27] <Mez> ubuntu9?
[12:27] <siretart> are orig.tar.bz2 allowed in the mean time?
[12:27] <siretart> sorry
[12:28] <ajmitch> siretart: not sure, you'd have to ask the archive gods
[12:34] <mbreit> ajmitch: did you upload maxima?
[12:34] <ajmitch> mbreit: soon, I haven't forgot it :)
[12:34] <mbreit> ajmitch: cool ;)
[12:36] <ajmitch> uploaded
[12:37] <ajmitch> lathiat: avahi built, at least, now what can I do with it? :)
[12:37] <lathiat> ajmitch: install avahi-daemon and avahi-utils and run avahi-discover :)
[12:38] <ajmitch> lathiat: only change I had to make was 0.1-1 to 0.1-0ubuntu1
[12:38] <ajmitch> to be consistent, since the binary build wouldn't be the same between debian & breezy
[12:39] <lathiat> ajmitch: ok
[12:40] <lathiat> ajmitch: few changes and stuff to go yet
[12:40] <lathiat> ajmitch: but its just technical really
[12:41] <ajmitch> mbreit: maxima took awhile to upload with that massive diff.gz
[12:41] <ajmitch> lathiat: that's cool, how long do you expect it to take?
[12:42] <mbreit> ajmitch: thanks!
[12:42] <ajmitch>   File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 349, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block
[12:42] <ajmitch> dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Avahi was not provided by any .service files
[12:42] <ajmitch> it is teh borken
[12:44] <ajmitch> lathiat: is there some dbus magic that is needed, like restarting it?
[12:45] <lathiat> ajmitch: yes
[12:46] <lathiat> ajmitch: you need to restart dbus to pick up the security
[12:46] <mbreit> grrrr..... maxima rejected... i did not change the distribution to breezy :(
[12:46] <lathiat> ajmitch: thatl then start avahi-daemon
[12:46] <ajmitch> mbreit: argh, how could I miss that? :)
[12:46] <mbreit> ajmitch: could you change that and upload it again? would be easier than making a new debdiff ;)
[12:47] <ajmitch> that's what happens when you poke me too much ;)
[12:48] <ajmitch> lathiat: great, it picked up the iMac running OSX downstairs
[12:48] <lathiat> ajmitch: sweeet :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> not the wireless subnet though, but that's expected :)
[12:48] <lathiat> ajmitch: you shoudl be able to ping <hostname>.local from the imac
[12:48] <lathiat> ajmitch: yeh, thats what the reflector is for
[12:49] <lathiat> but uh
[12:49] <lathiat> its a little buggy in 0.1
[12:49] <ajmitch> heh
[12:49] <ajmitch> router is a sarge box anyway
[12:49] <lathiat> its known to start storming packets out as fast as possible
[12:49] <ajmitch> I might upgrade it to breezy
[12:49] <lathiat> which knocks over most adsl modems
[12:49] <lathiat> if you have that on an interface
[12:49] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:50] <ajmitch> so should I be able to ping the imac from my box? :)
[12:50] <ajmitch> using the hostname listed
[12:50] <lathiat> ajmitch: if you install nss-mdns
[12:50] <lathiat> ajmitch: and add mdns4 to the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf
[12:51] <lathiat> libnss-mdns
[12:51] <ajmitch> alright
[12:56] <ajmitch> lathiat: so when can we do useful things with avahi? ;)
[12:56] <lathiat> ajmitch: when $application ahs support :)
[12:56] <lathiat> ajmitch: theres a patch for gnomemeeting now
[12:56] <lathiat> sebest did
[12:56] <lathiat> i think its close to working
[12:57] <ajmitch> how about nautilus' network servers ?
[12:59] <lathiat> im going to patch gnomevfs
[12:59] <ajmitch> please do
[12:59] <lathiat> however the code is a total dog and has put me off doing it so far :)
[12:59] <lathiat> probably do that this week
[12:59] <ajmitch> hah
[12:59] <lathiat> its like
[12:59] <lathiat> 5000 lines
[12:59] <ajmitch> yeah, doesn't surprise me
[12:59] <lathiat> its stupid :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> patch it for avahi or afp? :)
[01:00] <lathiat> oh
[01:00] <lathiat> avahi
[01:00] <lathiat> heh
[01:00] <lathiat> whats AFP?
[01:00] <lathiat> apple file stuff?
[01:00] <ajmitch> yes
[01:01] <ajmitch> I can see the docs from the app POV on apple's site
[01:01] <ajmitch> not sure where protocol docs are, but netatalk implements it, afaik
[01:12] <ajmitch> lathiat: I see mdnsresponder can advertise services via its config file, does avahi have similar support?
[01:12] <lathiat> ajmitch: yes, see /etc/avahi/services
[01:13] <ajmitch> 404 :)
[01:13] <lathiat> err
[01:13] <lathiat> there shoudl be an example file
[01:13] <ajmitch> only avahi-daemon.conf in that dir
[01:13] <lathiat> posibly in /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon
[01:13] <lathiat> hrm
[01:13] <lathiat> hangon
[01:14] <ajmitch> no, there's a debian/tmp/etc/avahi/services
[01:14] <ajmitch> so some package should own it
[01:14] <lathiat> possibly an oversight
[01:14] <lathiat> it will be an empty dir
[01:14] <lathiat> does that pose a problem?
[01:14] <lathiat> inded its not in any of the .install files
[01:15] <ajmitch> ssh.service is in /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon/examples
[01:15] <lathiat> it is?
[01:15] <ajmitch> yes
[01:16] <lathiat> thats not in the .install file
[01:16] <ajmitch> see avahi-daemon.examples
[01:16] <lathiat> ohhh
[01:16] <lathiat> i see
[01:16] <lathiat> didnt knwo about that
[01:16] <ajmitch> :)
[01:16] <lathiat> is example.service in there?
[01:16] <lathiat> shows more use of it
[01:16] <lathiat> tho id ont think we install that by default so probably not
[01:17] <ajmitch> there is no /etc/avahi/services dir, however
[01:17] <ajmitch> which I think should exist
[01:18] <lathiat> yeh
[01:18] <lathiat> sent a mail to ross asking to add it
[01:18] <ajmitch> man avahi-daemon refers to avahi-service(5), which doesn't exist
[01:18] <lathiat> hrm
[01:18] <lathiat> that exists
[01:18] <lathiat> must not be installed
[01:18] <ajmitch> unless I don't have all the packages installed
[01:19] <ajmitch> not getting installed, by the look of things
[01:24] <lathiat> ajmitch: slowly sorting things
[01:24] <\sh> guys....I just uploaded a new version of njam to revu
[01:28] <siretart> \sh: advocated
[01:30] <ajmitch> siretart: that was a quick review ;)
[01:30] <\sh> thx
[01:30] <siretart> ajmitch: it wasn't a big change since the last one
[01:30] <siretart> ajmitch: and my pbuilder went quickly ;)
[01:31] <\sh> no it wasn't...only fixed the .desktop file, and provided a real png icon for this
[01:32] <siretart> \sh: btw, you have 3 advocates for gajim :)
[01:33] <siretart> hehe
[01:35] <ajmitch> see, I can do something other than be picky ;)
[01:35] <siretart> juhuu
[01:36] <siretart> 2 new uploads for \sh :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> well, njam is listed as having 2 advocates
[01:36] <siretart> well, \sh is motu after all ;)
[01:36] <ajmitch> true
[01:36] <siretart> but slomo already advocated earlier
[01:37] <\sh> siretart: really?
[01:38] <\sh> siretart: i see only 2
[01:38] <\sh> hehe
[01:38] <siretart> \sh: slomo advocated the upload before. that should be sufficient considering the small diff
[01:38] <\sh> yeah
[01:39] <\sh> ajmitch: monkey motu ,-)
[01:39] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:39] <ajmitch> I'd just need to upload to sid
[01:39] <\sh> ok and njam is approved as well..nice
[01:39] <\sh> it works on amd64 as well :)
[01:39] <ajmitch> \sh: I was being nice for a change :)
[01:39] <\sh> siretart: so we can play a round of pacman over network :)
[01:39] <siretart> w00h00 :)
[01:41] <\sh> ajmitch: which one...
[01:41] <ajmitch> \sh: ?
[01:41] <\sh> 13:40 < ajmitch> \sh: I was being nice for a change :)
[01:42] <ajmitch> I meant I advocated njam for you
[01:42] <\sh> oh :)
[01:42] <\sh> ajmitch: but u r always nice...without critics I wouldn't get better ,-)
[01:43] <siretart> ajmitch: I increased the timeout to a few hours, I think
[01:43] <siretart>         s = Session(req, timeout=43200)
[01:43] <ajmitch> \sh: being very critical of packaging has helped me when doing my own packages :)
[01:44] <ajmitch> siretart: right, I just like to have week-long sessions :)
[01:44] <ajmitch> as I'm the only user of this box & leave my webbrowser open
[01:45] <\sh> ajmitch: that's right...so every mistake now, is a mistake less in the future
[01:45] <\sh> ajmitch: that's why we have this review process..and this is good...even for DDs ,-)
[01:45] <ajmitch> certainly\
[01:46] <\sh> can anybody tell me: I'm not a DD...but I want to take over one orphaned package...how can I do this?
[01:46] <\sh> without upload functionality to debian
[01:46] <ajmitch> \sh: get a sponsor :)
[01:46] <ajmitch> and retitle the wnpp report to ITA:
[01:47] <ajmitch> showing that you intend to adopt
[01:47] <ajmitch> first upload closes the ITA bug, iirc
[01:47] <\sh> ajmitch: first I have to check the debian bts to close other bugs ,-)
[01:47] <\sh> then do the first upload
[01:47] <ajmitch> of course
[01:48] <ajmitch> the first upload is the last step on adopting
[01:48] <ajmitch> after that it's just normal maintenance
[01:48] <siretart> ajmitch: how long has needs an DD to be unreachable to count as MIA?
[01:48] <ajmitch> siretart: ah, tough question :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> usually weeks/months
[01:49] <ajmitch> there are scripts to tell - based on uploads, bug activity, debian mailing lists
[01:50] <\sh> njam_1.21-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[01:50] <\sh> wow
[01:50] <ajmitch> congrats
[01:50] <siretart> grats
[01:50] <siretart> now wait for the ACCEPTED mail ;)
[01:50] <\sh> now waiting one week
[01:51] <\sh> after that bugging elmo ,-)
[01:51] <franst> hi all
[01:51] <franst> can i know, is this the right forum to mirror ubuntu repo?
[01:51] <siretart> franst: hi root :)
[01:51] <ajmitch> hmm, lately I've been doing more reviewing work than actual packaging, it seems
[01:51] <franst> :)
[01:51] <franst> sorry
[01:51] <siretart> franst: I think you should rather ask in #ubuntu-devel
[01:52] <franst> ok ok
[01:52] <franst> thx
[01:52] <\sh> siretart: i will archive it now in revu (njam)
[01:52] <siretart> \sh: good idea :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> are dnspython & gajim uploaded?
[01:53] <\sh> no...I fix the issues u mentioned first
[01:53] <ajmitch> ok
[01:54] <\sh> i'm not a "NEW upload devil" ,-)
[01:55] <\sh> grmpf...for gwydion-dylan
[01:55] <\sh> it takes hours to build and then to see that shlibdeps is not right
[01:55] <\sh> damnit
[01:55] <\sh> now for the chroot :(
[01:58] <\sh> but right now I will check firefox first on kde
[01:59] <lathiat> night ajmitch :)
[02:12] <SloMo_> good morning :)
[02:15] <StrikeForce> night ajmitch
[02:17] <\sh> fixing gajim
[03:06] <slomo> \sh: i retried the sawfish upload and didn't get a mail from katie again ;)
[03:07] <\sh> slomo: katie was somewhat dizzy as I understand..
[03:08] <slomo> \sh: that means? sometimes she just ignores her job?
[03:08] <\sh> i don't really know...Think I just pissed of elmo..but not intentionally...think I have to send him really some beer..
[03:09] <slomo> hm :( and that is the reason why i don't ask him again about that... he seems to be really upset the last days
[03:12] <siretart> slomo: his baby broke. jenifer seems to be really sad atm.
[03:19] <\sh> hmmm
[03:20] <\sh> i just installed seahorse and enabled the seahorse agent
[03:20] <\sh> right now, i can't sign any packages any more
[03:20] <slomo> are you in a chroot or over ssh?
[03:21] <\sh> slomo: gnome-terminal with loginshell
[03:21] <\sh> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[03:21] <\sh> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[03:21] <\sh> debuild: fatal error at line 788:
[03:21] <\sh> running debsign failed
[03:21] <\sh> and two gpg processes defunct
[03:22] <\sh> shermann 14543 14497  0 14:01 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/gnome-session
[03:22] <\sh> shermann 14872     1  0 15:16 ?        00:00:00 seahorse-agent
[03:22] <\sh> argl
[03:22] <slomo> hm works for me...
[03:22] <\sh> i have now two ssh agents running?
[03:23] <\sh> peng
[03:23] <\sh> no
[03:23] <slomo> nope
[03:23] <\sh> ssh-agent
[03:24] <\sh> gpg: can't connect to `/tmp//seahorse-vkzDPS/S.gpg-agent': Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt
[03:25] <siretart> seahorse?
[03:25] <\sh> yes
[03:26] <\sh> gnome gpg util
[03:26] <\sh> including gpg-agent for passphrase caching
[03:27] <siretart> sounds cool
[03:27] <siretart> des it also cache ssh passphrases?
[03:27] <slomo> siretart: no... only gpg
[03:28] <siretart> ok
[03:29] <siretart> bt still
[03:30] <\sh> but it's not working
[03:31] <slomo> for me it is ;) does the socket in /tmp exist or are the maybe more seahorse directories?
[03:31] <\sh> more then one
[03:32] <slomo> hm... kill seahorse-agent, delete all the directories and clean you gpg.conf from all the agent stuff... and then start seahorse-agent again
[03:33] <\sh> i don't have the "use-agent" anymore
[03:33] <\sh> I just killed seahorse
[03:33] <\sh> -agent
[03:33] <\sh> removed the dirs
[03:33] <\sh> but I think there is something else
[03:33] <\sh> My main key id is sh@linux-server.org
[03:34] <\sh> my identity for signing debs is sh@sourcecode.de
[03:34] <\sh> and after typing the passphrase it fails
[03:35] <\sh> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[03:35] <\sh> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[03:35] <\sh> but i disabled use-agent
[03:36] <slomo> seahorse-agent enables it again on startup
[03:36] <\sh> and something enabled it in gpg.conf
[03:38] <siretart> hm.
[03:39] <\sh> will sort it out this evening
[03:39] <siretart> \sh: you have setup an sbuild once. is it also possible to inject source packages without having them in the archive yet?
[03:41] <\sh> siretart: without an separate archive? i don't think so
[03:41] <siretart> \sh: so we need in any case a private repo for elma, in which we inject the source package first for building them afterwards, right?
[03:42] <\sh> siretart: that was the plan
[03:42] <siretart> ok
[03:42] <\sh> siretart: i mean, we upload the stuff to ftp...
[03:42] <\sh> mini-dinstall should move it to the correct place..and revu needs to have read access to it
[03:43] <\sh> this we can do with a small script e.g. I'm running one on my private archive
[03:43] <siretart> jupp. Just wanted to be sure
[03:43] <\sh> after that, we can use this as private archive, cause all special files like packages[.gz]  etc. are build and be used for apt-get
[03:44] <\sh> right now , u have everything in seperate directories?
[03:44] <\sh> separate
[03:45] <siretart> jepp
[03:45] <siretart> but thats bullshit
[03:46] <\sh> not at all :)
[03:46] <siretart> my current problem with revu2 is how to manage/handle different candidates with same package version number
[03:47] <\sh> if we don't do automatical builds, only via webfrontend...we can copy it from there, to the build place...sbuild it..and have the logfiles ready to move back
[03:48] <lathiat> ajmitch: ross' packages have been updated, shoudl be much better now
[03:50] <tseng> farking megaraid driver
[03:52] <lathiat> tseng: heh
[03:52] <lathiat> tseng: did you get the preseed stuff going?
[03:52] <tseng> no
[03:52] <tseng> the wiki page is a jumbled mess
[03:52] <tseng> its like 3 install methods in one
[03:52] <tseng> and i think translated from spanish
[03:53] <lathiat> heh
[03:54] <\sh> siretart: there will be no "same version" :)
[03:55] <\sh> brb
[04:13] <Yagisan> G'day All
[04:14] <Yagisan> siretart, slomo thanks for reviewing deng
[04:18] <Yagisan> slomo: ping
[04:19] <slomo> Yagisan: pong
[04:20] <Yagisan> slomo: can you send me a powerpc build log of deng, I want to compare the warnings with i386 and amd64 to see if there are any other porting issues
[04:20] <slomo> hm, can you tell how i can get a build log from pbuilder?
[04:21] <Yagisan> sudo pbuilder deng.dsc 2> errors.txt
[04:21] <Yagisan> :)
[04:21] <Yagisan> oops missed abit
[04:21] <slomo> ok ;)
[04:22] <Yagisan> sudo pbuilder build deng.dsc 2> errors.txt
[04:22] <Yagisan> I've identified a lot of places to start fixing for 64bit
[04:22] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:22] <Nafallo> --pkgname-logfile :-)
[04:22] <slomo> Yagisan: but ppc isn't 64 bit ;)
[04:23] <Yagisan> I know
[04:23] <Yagisan> but, if the are 64bit errors
[04:23] <Yagisan> there are prbally endiness errors too
[04:23] <Yagisan> probally
[04:24] <slomo> Yagisan: ok, i'll mail the log to you later
[04:24] <StrikeForce> Can anyone point out what the wxpython version is in breezy
[04:24] <StrikeForce> I'm trying to install it in my chroot environment but it can't be found
[04:25] <Yagisan> thanks Nafallo, that would work too
[04:25] <Yagisan> Nafallo: the list of 64bit errors is actually bigger then what you found
[04:26] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Big juicy list here http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/64biterrors.txt if you are feeling bored :)
[04:26] <Yagisan> slomo: thanks
[04:27] <Nafallo> Yagisan: I used grep to get my list ;-)
[04:28] <\sh> StrikeForce:
[04:28] <\sh> python-wxglade - GUI designer written in Python with wxPython
[04:28] <\sh> python-wxgtk2.4 - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding)
[04:28] <\sh> python-wxgui - GUI toolkit for GNURadio
[04:28] <\sh> python-wxversion - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython version selector)
[04:28] <\sh> wxgtk2.6 is not build right now
[04:29] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Kdiff3 to see, then grep to extract :)
[04:30] <StrikeForce> erm yeah
[04:31] <StrikeForce> which one do I get then?
[04:31] <StrikeForce> it used to be wxpythong2.5
[04:31] <StrikeForce> it used to be wxpython2.5
[04:31] <\sh> wxpython2.4
[04:31] <\sh> 2.5 is not in the archives
[04:31] <\sh> 2.6 is not installable i think
[04:31] <\sh> because of libcairo1
[04:32] <StrikeForce> hmmm
[04:32] <StrikeForce> ah k
[04:32] <\sh> to libcairo2 transition
[04:32] <\sh> ah MOTUs!
[04:32] <\sh> libcairo1 to libcairo2 transition is waiting for us :)
[04:33] <ogra> \sh, meeting agenda ?
[04:33] <slomo> \sh: apt-cache rdepends libcairo1 only lists maybe 30 packages ;) btw, is someone already working on wxgtk2.6?
[04:33] <StrikeForce> hmmm
[04:34] <StrikeForce> so I can't really make a package that depends on wxpython2.5
[04:34] <StrikeForce> Depends: python2.4-minimal (>= 2.4), wxpython2.5.3 (>= 2.5.3.1),${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[04:34] <\sh> slomo: infinity
[04:34] <\sh> ogra: yes...I will put it
[04:34] <\sh> StrikeForce: so try it with 2.4
[04:35] <StrikeForce> thats what I have and I want to alter wxpython there however I'm not sure what to replace it with since its not there
[04:35] <\sh> StrikeForce: there is no wxpython2.5 in ubuntu and never will be
[04:35] <StrikeForce> 2.4 won't work
[04:35] <\sh> then u have to wait for 2.6 in the next couple of days
[04:36] <StrikeForce> wxpython2.5.3 - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython common files) \sh this is what I found just using an apt-cache search wxpython in hoary?
[04:37] <StrikeForce> \sh, Am I missing something?
[04:38] <\sh> I don't see any wxpython2.5 in breezy
[04:38] <\sh> do u use some other repos?
[04:38] <\sh> wxpython2.4-1 - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython common files)
[04:38] <\sh> wxpython2.6-0 - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython common files)
[04:38] <\sh> apt-cache search wxpython
[04:39] <StrikeForce> just backports
[04:39] <StrikeForce> but not in breezy
[04:39] <StrikeForce> in breezy I use universe and the like
[04:39] <slomo> Yagisan: deng is broken for ppc... change ppc to powerpc in debian/control ;)
[04:39] <\sh> official backports of ubuntu has wxpython2.5 in the archive, without having it in breezy?
[04:39] <\sh> i don't think so
[04:40] <slomo> wasn't 2.5 a few weeks ago in breezy?
[04:40] <\sh> no in debian i saw it
[04:40] <\sh> but not in breezy
[04:41] <StrikeForce> its package name has ubuntu in it
[04:41] <StrikeForce> so I'm assuming universe should be closed out
[04:41] <StrikeForce> if its backports it'll have ubp
[04:41] <StrikeForce> but it doesn't have that
[04:41] <slomo> \sh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wxwidgets2.5/
[04:42] <StrikeForce> it was made by ron lee who is a debian developer or packager since he has a debian.org email address
[04:42] <Yagisan> slomo: thanks (wouldn't have noticed that, I thought it was ppc)
[04:42] <\sh> slomo: not in the archives anymore..and I think it was only for transitions
[04:44] <slomo> \sh: yes but it was there ;)
[04:44] <tseng> hi ogra!
[04:44] <tseng> i see a ghost
[04:44] <\sh> slomo: actually I never saw it
[04:44] <ogra> boo
[04:44] <GazerWork> ho guys!, I'm making a package that needs kernel headers, is correct only add linux-headers in Build-Depends?, or I need to specify a version?
[04:49] <tseng> yay colony3 is intalling
[04:50] <tseng> scrabble!
[04:50] <tseng> holy crap, and it formatted 350gb in a few seconds
[04:50] <ogra> heh
[04:50] <tseng> this box is way too powerful
[04:50] <tseng> for its purpose
[04:51] <siretart> FYI, the latest upload of deng was not accepted, there was something wrong with the changes file..
[04:51] <ogra> tseng, send it to me... i can send you a pI with 64MB in exchange
[04:51] <ogra> ;)
[04:51] <tseng> haha
[04:51] <tseng> i have 11 of these
[04:52] <StrikeForce> \sh,  where are you get the repository for wxpython2.6-0
[04:52] <StrikeForce> and if it requires only 2.5 is there a way for me to specify it
[04:52] <StrikeForce> or is it because of the packages having different names I can't?
[04:52] <StrikeForce> e.g. wxpython2.5.3 or wxpython2.6-0
[04:53] <ogra> python-wxgtk2.6
[04:53] <ogra> rather
[04:53] <Yagisan> siretart: that is odd
[04:53] <StrikeForce> I don't see 2.6 only 2.4
[04:53] <ogra> on breezy
[04:53] <\sh> on hoary you won't see 2.6
[04:54] <ogra> its to new to be in hoary
[04:54] <ogra> (and Mez is to lazy to backport it i gues *g*)
[04:54] <siretart> Yagisan: is this again another key?
[04:54] <ogra> guess even
[04:54] <StrikeForce> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[04:54] <StrikeForce> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[04:54] <Yagisan> Siretart: no
[04:54] <ogra> universe ?
[04:54] <StrikeForce> thats what I have I thought? \sh
[04:54] <Yagisan> siretart: just a sec, I'll post my log
[04:54] <StrikeForce> same thing ogra I have universe
[04:55] <StrikeForce> just exactly the same line except with breezy instead of hoary
[04:55] <\sh> ogra: 2.6 is ftbfsing right now because of some cairo2 magic ,-)
[04:55] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/ubuntu-seeds $ apt-cache policy python-wxgtk2.6
[04:55] <ogra> python-wxgtk2.6:
[04:55] <ogra>   Installed: (none)
[04:55] <ogra>   Candidate: 2.6.1.1.1ubuntu1
[04:55] <ogra>   Version table:
[04:56] <ogra>      2.6.1.1.1ubuntu1 0
[04:56] <ogra>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[04:56] <Yagisan> siretart: log is here http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/deng_revu_upload.txt it's the same key
[04:56] <siretart> Yagisan: this is really weird, I reprocessed your upload manually, no need to reupload
[04:56] <Yagisan> siretart: glad I can help you find bugs
[04:56] <siretart> Yagisan: log is fine
[04:57] <siretart> I've never seen that, and cannot explain how that could happen
[04:57] <siretart> dscverify: /home/ftp/deng_1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-7ubuntu1_source.changes failed signature check:
[04:57] <siretart> gpg: processing message failed: eof
[04:57] <siretart> Validation FAILED!!
[04:57] <siretart> but now it works.. will have an eye on it
[04:59] <GazerWork> a simple question, why /etc/debian_version exists and say "testing/unstable" ?
[04:59] <tseng> because we dont change it
[04:59] <tseng> we are based on unstable
[05:00] <GazerWork> is there any other file where I can get the ubuntu version?
[05:00] <tseng> you want lsb_release -i -s
[05:00] <tseng> version?
[05:00] <tseng> no
[05:00] <siretart> GazerWork: we are basically stabilizing a snapshot of debian/unstable (more or less)
[05:00] <Yagisan> siretart: perhaps a gnupg bug ?
[05:00] <GazerWork> this is because I'm using xsys plugin for xchat and report that my distro is debian
[05:00] <janimo> hello motus
[05:00] <tseng> it is debian
[05:00] <siretart> Yagisan: perhaps. no idea
[05:00] <tseng> in most places that count
[05:00] <siretart> buna siua, janimo :)
[05:01] <janimo> siretart :) close (ziua)
[05:01] <tseng> oh
[05:01] <tseng> lsb_release -r
[05:01] <janimo> guten tag siretart
[05:01] <GazerWork> tseng, oks, I understand . thank you :)
[05:01] <tseng> GazerWork: lsb_release -i -r -s
[05:01] <siretart> janimo: hehe :)
[05:01] <tseng> GazerWork: have fun.
[05:02] <StrikeForce> wierd I still can't find it
[05:02] <janimo> any moderately brave soul want to review xubuntu-meta?it's really tiny native package like ubuntu-meta and the rest, thanks
[05:02] <StrikeForce> anyways I can only find 2.4
[05:02] <StrikeForce> so I'll leave it since it requires 2.5
[05:02] <StrikeForce> so i'll wait till I can find 2.6
[05:02] <\sh> janimo: ubuntu-meta is a nasty thing with seeds, right? ,-)
[05:02] <StrikeForce> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[05:02] <StrikeForce> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[05:03] <janimo> \sh yes, but I skipped that for xubuntu since it's not in main
[05:03] <\sh> is it xfce ubuntu?
[05:03] <janimo> but the rest is similar
[05:03] <StrikeForce> Since I'm assuming that should have the whole universe there ogra
[05:03] <janimo> \sh yes, that's the plan
[05:03] <StrikeForce> or am I missing something
[05:03] <\sh> janimo: u think about the libcairo2 transition later on? tomorrow for MOTU meeting :)
[05:04] <janimo> \sh what about the trasnition?I was offline for quite a while so I am not reallly up to date
[05:04] <janimo> I see doko (or seb?) updated soem xfce4 packages
[05:04] <\sh> libcairo2 replaced libcairo1 so we have to rebuild all packages and adjusting build-deps etc.
[05:04] <\sh> not all
[05:04] <janimo> \sh or do you mean general transition work?
[05:04] <ogra> StrikeForce, nope, but if 2.6 is ftbfs as \sh says, you might probably not find t currently
[05:04] <\sh> janimo: general but I saw the xfce packages on the rdepends list now ;)
[05:05] <\sh> and u reminded me now ::)
[05:05] <siretart> janimo: basically yes. everything depending on libcairo1 must be reuploaded
[05:05] <StrikeForce> ahh k fair enough ogra is there an eta on when it should be ready ?
[05:05] <siretart> janimo: thats basically every xfce package
[05:05] <janimo> siretart, yesterday I saw many xfce packages updated for cairo2 on the hoary-changes list, but maybe not all
[05:05] <\sh> janimo: breezy-changes
[05:06] <siretart> janimo: ah. sounds great
[05:06] <janimo> I'll have a look these days
[05:06] <janimo> \sh what
[05:06] <janimo> \sh what's breezy ;) ?
[05:06] <\sh> hoary-changes ,-)
[05:06] <ogra> StrikeForce, it will be ready if someone fixed the ftbfs... feel free to do it ;)
[05:06] <\sh> u said hoary *eg*
[05:06] <siretart> janimo: I was dreaming about a tool helping in coordinating transition work. If you can write a tool actually doing the transition before, that would be awesome ;)
[05:06] <janimo> \sh well little furry bastards they're the same to me :)
[05:07] <\sh> siretart: doing the adjustments in the control is not the problem...fingersports
[05:07] <\sh> but is it building?
[05:07] <janimo> siretart, I am very close to working almost full time on ubuntu stuff so I hope I get around at least trying that tool
[05:07] <janimo> \sh actually the fingersports is the boring and errorprone one
[05:08] <\sh> janimo: not with the right macros for vi ,-)
[05:08] <janimo> \sh right, but still rather then 20 motus doing their vi and emacs magic and download/upload sources
[05:08] <siretart> janimo: great :)
[05:08] <\sh> janimo: no...I'm more concerned about build errors...we need some equipment to setup some auto build stuff for all supported archs to test around...
[05:09] <janimo> how about a nice script running on the ubuntu data center ad doing all that stuff for us ;) ?
[05:09] <\sh> shit...moemnt...real office work
[05:09] <janimo> well, isn't past experience showing that the build errors are only a fraction or at least not majority of the packges?
[05:10] <janimo> things like s/cairo1/cairo2/ on hundreds of packages is mind numbing
[05:14] <slomo> janimo: hundreds of packages? apt-cache rdepends libcairo1 only lists maybe 30 packages here...
[05:15] <StrikeForce> lol ogra its my first package I'm sure you don't want me working on something important :P
[05:15] <slomo> StrikeForce: what important package? ;)
[05:17] <slomo> StrikeForce: wxwidgets2.6?
[05:17] <StrikeForce> yeah slomo
[05:17] <StrikeForce> thats more important that a bittorrent client which is what I'm trying to get ready
[05:17] <StrikeForce> I have it working for hoary now
[05:18] <StrikeForce> I'm just transferring it to work
[05:18] <StrikeForce> and its looking pretty good
[05:18] <slomo> StrikeForce: well, if you don't want to look at it i'll do :) is there a WIP version or is the breezy one the newest?
[05:18] <StrikeForce> kk go right ahead :P
[05:18] <StrikeForce> not sure haven't look at wxpython
[05:19] <StrikeForce> wxPython 2.6.1.0 thats the newest version
[05:19] <StrikeForce> apart from cvs which I don't think we want
[05:20] <slomo> StrikeForce: 2.6.1.1.1ubuntu1 is in breezy
[05:21] <StrikeForce> can you give me your sources.list then for it because I can't find it
[05:22] <slomo> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[05:24] <StrikeForce> do I have to build it then slomo ?
[05:29] <janimo> slomo, ok I was exagerrating :) but other transitions are not unusual if they have that many packages
[05:30] <slomo> janimo: well most of the stuff was already done by seb128... iirc he said he uploaded ~150 packages for the cairo transition
[05:30] <janimo> slomo, see? :)
[05:30] <janimo> slomo are you a MOTU?
[05:31] <slomo> janimo: i assume he has made a script for that stuff ;)
[05:31] <slomo> janimo: yes... but i'm waiting for elmo to add my key to the keyring so i can't upload anything atm... why do you ask? ;)
[05:31] <janimo> slomo, I guess he did, that kind of script is neede i motuland for transitions
[05:32] <janimo> and vote :)
[05:33] <StrikeForce> is this the correct one slomo libwxgtk2.6-0
[05:34] <slomo> janimo: i'll make a note and look after the wx stuff ;)
[05:34] <janimo> slomo, thanks
[05:34] <slomo> StrikeForce: nope... wxwidgets2.6 couldn't be build in the past
[05:35] <slomo> crimsun: are you working on wxwidgets2.6?
[05:42] <\sh> njam compiled on all three archs...wow..I'm proud :)
[05:42] <StrikeForce> night all take care
[06:08] <siretart> \sh: grats :)
[06:09] <\sh> siretart: thx..and elmo will kill me for gajim ,-)
[06:09] <\sh> just now uploaded as NEW
[06:10] <siretart> \sh: why that?
[06:11] <\sh> siretart: why not...:)
[06:11] <siretart> \sh: it in the queue, he will process it when he comes to that
[06:11] <siretart> ah, I understand
[06:14] <\sh> siretart: please answer elmo if he wants somethign from me...i'm off now to head home...
[06:14] <\sh> just missed my bus
[06:15] <\sh> thx
[06:15] <siretart> \sh: I'll have an eye in #ubuntu-devel for you, no problem
[06:17] <siretart> I think we are a big step further in having a new version of scorched3d :)
[06:17] <lathiat> siretart: neat
[06:17] <siretart> lathiat: openal maintainer just promised the scorched3d maintainer in debian he will look into the issue
[06:17] <lathiat> siretart: nifty
[06:21] <siretart> 18:17:32 <fEnIo> if he make it I'll try to upload new scorched3d tomorrow
[06:21] <siretart> :)
[06:37] <siretart> \sh_away: when you get back, would you also upload gajim? ;)
[06:41] <slomo> so many new packages today... ;)
[06:41] <siretart> :)
[06:46] <slomo> Yagisan: ping?
[06:49] <Yagisan> slomo: pong
[06:53] <slomo> Yagisan: change the section... the multiverse/ prefix is added automatically
[06:54] <slomo> Yagisan: and you'll get the buildlog in a few seconds ;)
[06:54] <Yagisan> slomo : thanks for the buildlog
[06:54] <Yagisan> slomo: are you sure multiverse is added automatically ?
[06:55] <Yagisan> I thought it was only main
[06:56] <slomo> Yagisan: yes... at least that is what i was told ;)
[06:56] <slomo> and for my universe packages this was done
[06:57] <slomo> oh yes, and for the 2 multiverse ones too
[06:58] <Yagisan> how does it know that it is a multiverse package if I remove it ?
[06:58] <slomo> you tell elmo to move it to multiverse when it finally gets uploaded ;)
[07:00] <Yagisan> I'd rather leave it as a) it don't hurt, and b) apt-ftparchive needs it for my public repo
[07:00] <Yagisan> build log hasn't arrived yet
[07:01] <slomo> hm i don't know whether it doesn't hurt ;)
[07:04] <Yagisan> slomo: found it http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections perfectly compliant
[07:13] <Yagisan> thanks slomo, there a a lot of signness related errors that only happen on ppc
[07:15] <slomo> np... will you try to fix it for amd64 and ppc? or only report these to upstream?
[07:16] <Yagisan> I will a) report to upstream, and b) see if I can fix anything
[07:16] <Yagisan> I'm surprised it even works on macs at all
[07:17] <remik> exit
[07:17] <remik> ops
[07:17] <remik> sorry
[07:17] <remik> bye
[07:21] <Yagisan> goodnight all
[07:43] <siretart> wb \sh
[07:43] <siretart> \sh: gajim? ;)
[07:43] <\sh> siretart: uploaded but in NEW
[07:43] <siretart> oh. great
[07:44] <siretart> will make a comment and archive it
[07:44] <siretart> done
[07:45] <\sh> thx
[07:48] <\sh> http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade and cairo2 trans are now a prio 1
[07:52] <tvo> \sh: i've a debdiff for kio-locate now, do you still want to test?
[07:53] <siretart> hm. since it improves the status quo, and the next debian upload will have higher version number.. I'd say yes
[07:55] <siretart> WAAAAAH
[07:55] <siretart> I accidentally killed my lyx package just before my backup :(
[07:56] <siretart> puh. it still is in the pbuilder cache..
[07:57] <slomo> \sh: packages needing slang transition are the ones listed by apt-cache rdepends slang1*?
[07:57] <\sh> slomo: i think so..the list is also on debian wiki
[07:59] <slomo> \sh: is most of the stuff just a rebuild or is more work needed? if more work is needed i'll look at them after wxwidgets2.6 (infinity said i should fix it)... when they're just rebuilds i'll wait for elmo ;)
[07:59] <\sh> slomo: check the wiki debian page...there are some hints
[08:00] <slomo> \sh: ok, thanks...
[08:00] <mbreit> i try to fix torcs in breezy, but ftbfs... the new upstream version (already in sid) fixes that... is that enougth to break UVF/FF?
[08:01] <siretart> mbreit: how many reverse dependency does torcs have?
[08:02] <mbreit> siretart: only torcs-data*
[08:02] <siretart> mbreit: then go on and request a sync ;)
[08:03] <mbreit> siretart: i will first test if it requieres any merge (had -ubuntu2 before)
[08:05] <siretart> mbreit: yes, do that
[08:13] <slomo> mbreit: torcs was fixed a few seconds ago by infinity
[08:13] <mbreit> lol
[08:14] <slomo> at least he uploaded a new version
[08:14] <mbreit> 1.2.3?
[08:15] <slomo> torcs (1.2.2-5ubuntu3) breezy; urgency=low
[08:16] <\sh> siretart: gajim hit the buildds
[08:16] <siretart> w000h0
[08:17] <\sh> ok..now for the tobacco
[08:17] <slomo> \sh: for slang2 transition we have to create our own package list it seems... all the stuff from the debian list i was looking at already uses slang2 ;)
[08:18] <siretart> \sh: which packages are affected by libcairo1?
[08:19] <slomo> siretart: apt-cache rdepends libcairo1
[08:19] <ogra> siretart, apt-cache rdepends libcairo1 ?
[08:19] <siretart> ah, thanks.
[08:20] <siretart> why did grep-dctrl fail for me.. hmm. anyway..
[08:20] <ogra> a little more then 60
[08:21] <ogra> and you can ignore the main stuff too
[08:21] <slomo> and for slang transition it's 4 packages ;)
[08:22] <mbreit> slomo: i thinks that torcs will ftbfs on amd64...
[08:22] <tseng> i cant believe how close we are
[08:23] <siretart> breezy will be a great release
[08:24] <slomo> ok, i can take the complete slang stuff when noone else wants it... it's just 3 packages, 1 is obsolete
[08:25] <\sh> ogra: main is transitioned
[08:25] <ogra> yup
 and you can ignore the main stuff too
[08:26] <\sh> slomo: 30 packages
[08:26] <slomo> \sh: where do you find this 30 packages?
[08:26] <\sh> apt-cache rdepends slang1
[08:27] <slomo> hmm... weird... mine seems broken when i want rdepends for more than one package
[08:28] <slomo> \sh: ok, shall i create a wikipage with all the packages?
[08:29] <\sh> slomo: do :)
[08:29] <slomo> MOTUSlang2Transition?
[08:29] <\sh> ah
[08:29] <\sh> libsdl is the master
[08:30] <slomo> the master?
[08:31] <\sh> ok
[08:31] <\sh> many packages are depending on libsdl1.2
[08:31] <\sh> libsdl1.2 is depending on aalib
[08:31] <\sh> and aalib i just grab the source
[08:32] <siretart> \sh: aalib is now libaa
[08:32] <\sh> there is libslang2-dev
[08:32] <\sh> grmpf
[08:32] <slomo> libaa1
[08:32] <\sh> so we have to rewrite all the stuff
[08:32] <slomo> but libaa1 already builds against slang2
[08:32] <\sh> libslang2 and libslang2 as well
[08:32] <\sh> libslang2 and libslang2-dev as well
[08:32] <\sh> yeah
[08:33] <\sh> so i think most of it will be a rebuild...or it's written on the debian wiki package
[08:34] <\sh> ok..i'm changing laptops...now...brb
[08:35] <slomo> hmm... but where did you find libsdl1.2 depending on slang1? it is build against slang2 here
[08:36] <slomo> ok, look here for all packages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUSlang2Transition
[08:36] <slomo> this is not just slang1 but also slang1{a-utf8,-pic,-utf8,-utf8-pic}
[08:40] <\sh> e
[08:40] <\sh> re
[08:40] <slomo> wb
[08:54] <dredg> it's not often i actually install ubuntu
[08:54] <dredg> but every time i do, i'm completely blown away by how much effort it doesn't take
[09:02] <lathiat> tseng: ping
[09:05] <herve> hello
[09:15] <Mitario> ha everyone
[09:15] <slomo> hi Mitario
[09:15] <tvo> \sh: the problem I had with pbuilder appears to be a bug in dpkg-source, it's supposed to be fixed in 1.13.11 (and 1.13.10 is in breezy :-( )
[09:16] <\sh> tvo: which one?
[09:17] <tvo> \sh: 318473
[09:17] <tvo> ( http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-dpkg-bugs@lists.debian.org/msg00586.html )
[09:18] <\sh> ah ok..this diff stuff
[09:18] <\sh> ask on ubuntu-devel if someone can sync
[09:19] <tvo> ok
[09:19] <\sh> or if it's not against the FF
[09:24] <\sh> siretart: gajim compiled on all 3 archs :)
[09:54] <tseng> lathiat: pong
[09:55] <lathiat> tseng: nevermind, i was going to ask if i could get access to an amd64 machine but realised i already had access to one
[09:55] <tseng> i dont even own one
[09:55] <tseng> i have some at work
[09:55] <\sh> ravel
[09:55] <tseng> which are being shipped out
[09:55] <ogra> tseng, get one, to help lathiat !
[09:55] <tseng> they are too much $
[09:55] <tseng> i dont need another pc
[09:56] <ogra> dont be so selfish, sell your hifi to help him out !
[09:56] <ogra> *g*
[09:57] <chillywilly> where is the maildirmake command?
[09:58] <tseng> mkdir .maildir/{cur,new,tmp} -p
[09:58] <tseng> right there ^
[09:58] <chillywilly> heh
[09:58] <mbreit> chillywilly: there was a command like that in one qmail package.... at least on debian ;)
[09:59] <Mithrandir> mbreit: maildrop has one
[10:00] <chillywilly> that's probably the one I was using
[10:02] <slomo> someone wants to upload this: http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/xawtv_3.94-1ubuntu3.debdiff ?
[10:10] <crimsun> slomo: from ubuntu4?
[10:11] <crimsun> (wxwidgets2.6)
[10:11] <slomo> crimsun: has already solved ;) i don't know why i thought you were looking at wxwidgets... it was infinity
[10:12] <crimsun> slomo: ok
[10:12] <slomo> crimsun: and a fixed version was already uploaded a few minutes ago if you're interested ;)
[10:12] <crimsun> slomo: yes, I see on breezy-changes :)
[10:19] <Mitario> \sh, already here :D
[10:20] <\sh> Mitario: very good...tomorrow 20:00 UTC motu meeting :) you're welcome :)
[10:20] <Mitario> sure, Will do :)
[10:21] <slomo> congrats Mitario :)
[10:21] <\sh> Mitario: good to have u with us
[10:21] <Mitario> thanks guys :)
[10:21] <Mitario> hope get some work done ASAP
[10:21] <Mitario> actually I jsut packaged mixxx and pida
[10:22] <\sh> Mitario: check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[10:23] <slomo> \sh: can you upload http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/xawtv_3.94-1ubuntu3.debdiff when you have some time? :)
[10:23] <Mitario> \sh, reading
[10:24] <\sh> slomo: sure...tomorrow morning ping me again :)
[10:24] <Mitario> \sh, right, no new packages :) anyways i'll see what I can do after the meeting tomorrow
[10:24] <Mitario> \sh, probably wil give me some inspiration
[10:25] <slomo> \sh: ok, when i don't find someone else before :P
[10:26] <\sh> Mitario: most of the work is "working on already existant packages" so...we will touch many maaany packages ;)
[10:26] <Mitario> heh ok :)
[10:26] <Mitario> anyways, happy to be of service in the future :)
[10:26] <crimsun> welcome aboard, Mitario
[10:26] <Mitario> crimsun, thanks
[10:31] <ajmitch> morning
[10:32] <herve> hello ajmitch
[10:32] <crimsun> re ajmitch
[10:50] <ogra_> comadreja, we talk about you in -meeting...
[10:50] <ogra_> comadreja, arent you a MOTU already ?
[10:53] <crimsun> he's listed as one on wiki/MOTU
[10:59] <ogra_> crimsun, hmm, am i blind  ? i dont see him
[11:00] <crimsun> ogra_: JorgeDaza?
[11:00] <\sh> it's comadreja
[11:00] <\sh> he is approved
[11:00] <ogra_> err, i thought you talk about bddeboian
[11:00] <crimsun> sorry, I was answering your question about comadreja
[11:03] <ogra_> heh, yes, now i get it
[11:10] <crimsun> excellent, wxwidgets2.6 built
[11:10] <\sh> slomo: u rock dude
[11:11] <slomo> \sh: thanks :) i just took a patch from the debian bts... xawtv was more difficult to fix ;)
[11:19] <crimsun> congrats, mbreit
[11:19] <mbreit> crimsun: thanks!
[11:20] <sistpoty> congrats, mbreit
[11:20] <mbreit> thanks siretart
[11:20] <mbreit> bah... sisterpoty even ;)
[11:20] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:20] <slomo> congrats mbreit :)
[11:21] <mbreit> hehe.. thanks ;)
[11:21] <\sh> mbreit: welcome, 2nd time :)
[11:22] <mbreit> \sh: thanks.... even if i am not a member yet ;)
[11:22] <\sh> mbreit: motu includes membership...i think
[11:23] <mbreit> \sh: but I don't have the cc approval?
[11:23] <mbreit> \sh: except of sabdfl's vote
[11:23] <ogra_> mbreit, as mdz said, it works without
[11:23] <ajmitch> mbreit: welcome, anyway ;)
[11:23] <ogra_> youre a full MOTU
[11:23] <mbreit> yay ;) thanks ;)
[11:24] <\sh> sign your coc via launchpad
[11:24] <mbreit> but that does not include upload rights, does it?
[11:24] <\sh> read wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[11:24] <mbreit> \sh: i have already done thank (sign coc on launchpad)
[11:24] <\sh> send your key to the mentioned addresses
[11:24] <slomo> \sh: nope... that hasn't worked for me
[11:25] <\sh> slomo: what? signing coc?
[11:25] <slomo> uploading it to launchpad... mako wanted it via mail
[11:25] <\sh> but now it's working i think
[11:25] <slomo> hm ok... well, mbreit? just do both ;)
[11:26] <ogra_> guys, i'll add aq item to themeeting agenda now, please make sure it stays the last, because its a kind of after meeting workshop/recital (i'll note it aside)
[11:27] <mbreit> i will have a short break first ;) then i will send some emails ;))
[11:28] <slomo> no more NEW packages?!
[11:29] <ogra_> slomo, we broke every freeze already...
[11:29] <ajmitch> to be discussed tomorrow
[11:29] <Nafallo> hmm, maybe we should rebuild UniverseUnmetDeps?
[11:30] <ajmitch> good idea
[11:30] <Nafallo> kismet is not there, but I believe it (and others) depend on libdps1 ;-)
[11:30] <ogra_> ajmitch, there is not much to discuss, we *broke* every freeze there are many people not happy about it
[11:31] <ajmitch> ogra_: and I thought we still were allowed new packages in
[11:31] <slomo> ogra_: hm ok... so maybe starting with tomorrow there will be no NEW packages?
[11:31] <\sh> baz? thats the python VCS?
[11:31] <slomo> hmm... are there 3 motu who want to look at gstreamer-plugins-multiverse? ;)
[11:31] <ajmitch> \sh: no, bzr is the python one
[11:32] <\sh> so baz is the other way
[11:32] <ajmitch> yes
[11:32] <\sh> ok...remembered some words of marks speech at debconf ,-)
[11:32] <ajmitch> baz = bazaar, bzr = bazaar-ng, to be called bazaar 2.0 :)
[11:32] <chillywilly> I hate this place
[11:33] <cevizoglu> chillywilly: what place?
[11:34] <ajmitch> ogra_: so how does apt-get.org fit in with your no NEW Packages?
[11:34] <\sh> this is special
[11:35] <ajmitch> & the packages currently on REVU?
[11:35] <\sh> it was/is a goal
[11:35] <\sh> i think
[11:35] <ajmitch> a number of them are crap, to say the least :)
[11:35] <Nafallo> slomo: done ;-)
[11:35] <\sh> and dholbach has some scripts at hand to do it all automatically...
[11:35] <ajmitch> dholbach doesn't have scripts to review them all
[11:36] <ajmitch> just to grab & build
[11:36] <slomo> Nafallo: thanks :) now only 2 are missing... mbreit? ;)
[11:36] <ajmitch> they make somewhat of a joke of our 3 MOTU signoff on REVU :)
[11:36] <\sh> ajmitch: thats what we will discuss tomorrow how its gonna work...
[11:37] <ajmitch> I know..
[11:38] <shawarma> Can anyone reproduce this: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1717  ?
[11:38] <shawarma> It works for me, so I'm inclined to close it.
[11:38] <ogra> AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[11:38] <ogra> sorry...
[11:38] <ogra> my line is crappy
[11:38] <ogra> \sh, bazaar is the version control used all over the place in ubuntu
[11:38] <lathiat> ogra: hi!
[11:38] <ogra> and its developed by canonical
[11:38] <ogra> ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> bbiab
[11:39] <mbreit> slomo: i would review that, but i need siretart to give me review rights first ;)
[11:39] <ogra> hey lathiat
[11:39] <lathiat> man so many bug fixes in avahi 0.2
[11:39] <lathiat> and i'd just like to say
[11:39] <lathiat> that dbus is silly
[11:39] <ajmitch> bah
[11:39] <lathiat> thank you all
[11:39] <lathiat> ajmitch: avahi 0.2 -> tomorrow
[11:39] <ajmitch> ogra_: would avahi be an exception to your NEW policy? ;)
[11:40] <chillywilly> yea right
[11:41] <ogra> ajmitch, yes
[11:41] <ogra> ajmitch, since its already ready...
[11:42] <ogra> ajmitch, what annoys me is something like dolbach putting "REVIEWING, our first priority" in the topic if we dont even have 50% of universe working...
[11:43] <ajmitch> right
[11:43] <ogra> our first prio should be to have universe in shape for the release, and i dont see that happen at all
[11:43] <ajmitch> I understand that we *have* to get more or universe ready
[11:43] <shawarma> quick question: Can I somehow make Malone only show Universe bugs?
[11:43] <ajmitch> which is why I asked what we have to target
[11:44] <ajmitch> I suspect there's MOTUGLUTransition work there as well
[11:44] <ogra> its nice if people package NEW stuff, i really appreciate it... but its nt our main target... there wont be changes to a broken universe once we released.... and you cantt backport the whole world
[11:44] <ajmitch> now really, I'll be back in ~15min ;)
[11:44] <ogra> shawarma, maolne shouldnt show anything else
[11:44] <sistpoty> mbreit: i just updated your revu-entry, you should be able to review now ;)
[11:45] <ogra> shawarma, since its the universe bugtracker... main bugs go to bugzilla ;)
[11:45] <shawarma> ogra: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1593  https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/746 and https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/407 are all main related stuff, are they not?
[11:46] <mbreit> sistpoty: thanks!
[11:46] <sistpoty> mbreit: you better check it, if it works ;)
[11:46] <shawarma> ogra: Anyhow... If I really want to make myself useful in fixing universe stuff in time for the release, is starting from the top in the Malone bug list the way to go? Or what would you rather want me to do?
[11:48] <ogra> shawarma, that would be one way to contribute... we also have a lot of lists for the transition work...
[11:48] <\sh> ok....guys...rushing into bed...tomorrow at 400 UTC I have a change request
[11:48] <shawarma> ogra: And by the way: Those three bugs are within the 5 topmost bugs  in the default view.. That kind of statistic kind of made me suspect that all breezy bugs were moving to Malone or something.
[11:49] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[11:49] <ogra> shawarma, ^^^ there are links to some of the lists... unmet deps is a easy entry point for example
[11:49] <\sh> g'night
[11:50] <ogra> shawarma, i'm just commenting the bugs, thanks for pointing that out
[11:50] <mbreit> by the way: could somebody please review my ickle fix?
[11:51] <shawarma> ogra: No problem.
[11:51] <ogra> :)
[11:51] <shawarma> ogra: any time, even. :-)
[11:51] <ogra> night \sh_away
[11:52] <Nafallo> ogra: could you check my kazehakase upload and comment on REVU?
[11:53] <ogra> Nafallo, i dont even have review rights...
[11:53] <ogra> s/review/comment/
[11:53] <slomo> ogra: siretart has made you a account with all rights afaik
[11:54] <ogra> and i'm about to crash... (working here since 18h)
[11:54] <Nafallo> hmm, oki. you could comment here. I'm just after the right solution to fix a bug :-).
[11:54] <Nafallo> k
[11:54] <ogra> leave me a little rest, i'll look at it later today
[11:54] <Nafallo> ogra: thanx :-9
[11:54] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:56] <Nafallo> ogra: apt-get install workrave if not installed already ;-)
[11:56] <ogra> that blocks my workflow...
[11:56] <Nafallo> workflow or wrists :-P
[11:56] <ogra> i tried several times
[11:56] <ogra> heh, yes
[11:57] <ogra> i normally take the wrist
[11:57] <lathiat> is it bad if I can sit in front of my computer workign for 12 hours straight and NOT get sore wrists, eyes or otherwise?
[11:57] <lathiat> .. and do this day after day? :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> back
[11:57] <ogra> lathiat, do this 5 years in a row... 6 days a week and tell us about
[11:58] <lathiat> i guess up until last year i was going to school, but i took my laptop to school and often spent at least say.. 8 hours a day? :)
[11:58] <lathiat> it'l probabaly start biting me soon enough
[11:58] <ogra> lathiat, how old are you ?
[11:59] <ajmitch> he's a young'un :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> 18 or so, right?
[11:59] <ogra> lathiat, lets have this conversation again if youre over 30 and did this for some years... ;)
[12:00] <Nafallo> lathiat: you have it coming then ;-)
[12:00] <Nafallo> ey! we should add workrave as a req for MOTUness :-)
[12:00] <cevizoglu> lathiat: no, it's normal... I've gotten away with that for the last 10 years  :)
[12:01] <ajmitch> Nafallo: why? :)
[12:01] <ogra> Nafallo, put it on the agenda if you think its needed ;)
[12:01] <cevizoglu> lathiat: although I have reverted to black backgrounds only because bright white is starting to hurt my eyes
[12:01] <sistpoty> ;)
[12:01] <Nafallo> ajmitch: people are hurting themselves otherwise, and blame ubuntu ;-)
[12:02] <ogra> cevizoglu, thats he first step... come back if you have blind spots in your view :)
[12:02] <lathiat> yes, 17
[12:02] <lathiat> heh
[12:02] <lathiat> fairly sure i've been glued to my computer for the last 4 at least
[12:02] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe, not really. it's better we tip each other for it :-)
[12:02] <ogra> sistpoty, i did that too... but i'm 35 nw and since about a year i recgnize the regression in my bones and eyes
[12:03] <cevizoglu> ogra: sounds scary.  did this happen to you?
[12:03] <Mitario> lathiat, what's your birthday? :)
[12:03] <lathiat> Mitario: nov 6t
[12:03] <ajmitch> lathiat: I've been going for a few years now, it'll catch up with me later ;)
[12:03] <lathiat> *6
[12:03] <lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[12:03] <ogra> cevizoglu, sometimes it does after a long hacking naight
[12:03] <Mitario> wohoo! still the youngest ;-)
[12:03] <sistpoty> ogra: phew... then i have 8 years to go
[12:03] <lathiat> yay another avahi bug bites the dust
[12:03] <tseng> lathiat++
[12:03] <lathiat> yay "dbus is stupid, lets work aroudn it" bugs
[12:04] <shawarma> Is it possible to just have a package rebuilt? Or does that happen automatically when one of its depending packages changes?
[12:04] <Mitario> allright off to bed, school tomorrow, see you guys at the meeting!
[12:04] <sistpoty> gn8 Mitario
[12:05] <sistpoty> ok, i think i'm off to bed, too... gn8 folks