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[02:27] Mez: what's the issue with mythtv? [02:27] 2005-08-23 01:19:46.671 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'. [02:27] 2005-08-23 01:19:46.703 Not compiled with any useable video output method. [02:27] apparently [02:28] yet ./configure shows that it is [02:28] # Video Output Support [02:28] x11 support yes [02:29] xv? [02:29] xv ... ? [02:29] no .. [02:29] not on my compile or on the buildd [02:29] hmm, is x11 distinct from xv for mythtv, too? [02:30] (I know it is for mplayer) [02:30] yes [02:30] slomo: the meeting agenda in the wiki is outdated, we discussed all that on the last meeting === Mez has no idea what you mean by that [02:31] well, since I'm waiting for wxwidgets2.6, I may as well help with mythtv [02:31] mbreit: ok, thanks [02:32] tseng: is xv needed for myth? [02:32] needed? i dont think [02:33] then why wont this damn thing work [02:33] Mez: would you post your working diff.gz? [02:33] (I presume against 0.18.1?) [02:33] crimsun - I havent changed anything [02:33] I at-get source'd it [02:34] ok [02:34] changing a couple of things now [02:34] is wv from the builldd? [02:35] nvm that === Mez sighs [02:35] I just want a working mythtv [02:35] it says it has some outputs [02:35] so why dont they work [02:35] is it possible cause I'm trying to run on my normal session [02:35] doing an xhost + [02:37] that shouldn't matter, but xhost + is deprecated. Use xauth export/merge instead. [02:37] ? [02:38] (xhost + presents a huge security hole) [02:38] no idea how to use that [02:38] crimsun - I understand that :D [02:38] Ill sort out access soon [02:38] xauth export foo :0 && sudo xauth merge foo && rm foo [02:39] the man page is probably more informative === Mez has no idea what you just sai or what the man page says [02:39] Mez: are you building from the source on dijkstra.csh.rit.edu? [02:39] no... [02:39] from archive.ubuntu.com [02:40] pool from Debian? [02:40] ah, ok. [02:40] should I be trying to build from somewhere else? [02:41] god this is such a pain in the ass just to watch tV [02:41] well, 0.18 is in Ubuntu's pool, but he has 0.18.1 source [02:42] lol [02:42] so I should be using what? [02:42] dijkstra? [02:42] I don't know how far \sh has gotten with 0.18.1 [02:42] Mez: that's where I'm starting [02:42] I just want to have something that works [02:43] whats the full URL? [02:43] ok, then I recommend http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source/ === donsmith [n=donsmith@ool-435502a4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [02:46] Is this the place to suggest packages for universe? [02:46] yes [02:46] I've compiled both of these on my own, but I have no Idea how to do packaging [02:46] maybe time to learn? [02:47] I'd like to suggest mcatalog (a mono bookshelf/dvdshelf app) and banshee ( a mono itunes clone) [02:47] donsmith: banshee is already on the list... [02:47] anything mono related I suggest you coordinate with tseng. He's our mono dude. [02:47] I'd be willing to learn but I don't have much free time so I couldn't do anything substantial [02:48] donsmith: but i am waiting for ipod-sharp to be released... and for a new banshee release... then i will make a package [02:48] donsmith: when you need help packaging mcatalog just ask me... or give me an url and i'll create a package [02:48] That's awesome thanks [02:48] http://www.mcatalog.net/ [02:48] banshee.. [02:49] donsmith: please check out wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [02:49] btw: could someone upload a londonlaw fix for me? [02:49] sorry, that is a breezy+1 thing [02:49] http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/londonlaw_0.2.1-1ubuntu3.debdiff [02:49] the only trick is that it requires a explicit mention in the ld_library_path to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox [02:49] donsmith: mcatalog looks nice on the screenshot... i'll make a package ;) [02:50] slomo: it is a cool app [02:50] thanks slomo [02:50] tseng: did you say that mcatalog would be breezy+1 or banshee? [02:50] banshee [02:50] mcatalog is fine by me [02:51] awesome [02:52] mbreit: looking [02:52] crimsun: thanks! [02:52] donsmith: i'll just fix gcl before i get to it... the firefox stuff was for mcatalog? [02:52] yup [02:52] mbreit: i need ipod-sharp for breezy+1 also [02:52] mbreit: for dopi [02:52] thanks slomo [02:53] mbreit: that will be one of our top priorities next cycle, I think [02:53] tseng: great ;) i am looking forward to package banshee... [02:53] rock on [02:53] have you met the debian mono team yet? [02:53] tseng: will you do a cvs-snapshot if there is still no release after breezy? [02:53] tseng: no [02:54] no, i will beat up abock [02:54] They have tagged releases in cvs of banshee [02:54] meh [02:54] there were releases as sonance [02:54] a long time ago [02:54] abock is contracting at novell on it now [02:54] and some other dudes working on it [02:55] maybe in the next few weeks we will see something [02:55] for suse10 [02:55] they say that opensuse is gonna have it [02:55] tseng: are you talking about banshee or ipod-sharp? [02:55] banshee [02:55] i guess both [02:55] they are inter-related [02:55] i meant ipod-sharp ;) [02:56] well, same answer [02:56] okay [02:56] i will beat up on abock AND snorp in the case [02:56] snorp loves the abuse [02:56] *g* [02:56] mbreit: done. [02:56] he cant get enough of me. [02:56] crimsun: thanks! [02:57] crimsun: new set says # Video Output Support [02:57] x11 support no [02:57] xrandr support no [02:57] xv support no [02:57] XvMC support no [02:57] XvMC VLD support no [02:57] OpenGL vsync yes [02:57] DirectFB no [02:58] ajmitch: btw, how is selinux? [02:58] tseng: crap as ever ;) [02:58] har [02:58] so much for big mouths [02:58] the only recent patches for pam are against 0.78/.79 [02:58] so backporting for a critical package is a pain [02:59] :/ [02:59] as well as having to rewrite passwd [02:59] sucks [02:59] various other little things [02:59] yeah, and I didn't spend enough time on it [02:59] manoj will save us [02:59] in etch [02:59] so it's mostly my fault [02:59] yep [02:59] packages are getting selinux support turned on in sid [02:59] have you met manoj? [02:59] its an experience [03:00] no, I haven't [03:00] too bad [03:00] is he as pedantic as on the debian lists & irc? [03:00] yes [03:00] he is insane about keysigning [03:00] i could not believe what i was seeing [03:00] oh yeah [03:00] I've seen his protocol online [03:01] its a wonder i didnt loose his damn card [03:01] with the challenge response [03:01] how can i find out which package a file belongs to [03:01] dpkg -S file [03:03] or dlocate -S [03:03] lol [03:03] /usr/bin/xinit was in the .... xinit package === laserite [n=Edu@217.172.69.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === laserite [n=Edu@217.172.69.2] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [03:04] btw: could someone also upload http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/ickle_0.3.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff ? [03:04] (but that one needs a short review.... it's a very broken package :( ) [03:05] if it's broken then why upload? [03:05] great, xnest works, I can test f-spot [03:05] and -0 it looks like it would break UVF ? [03:05] hot [03:05] crimsun: you still around? [03:06] Mez: are you talking to me? (... broken ...) [03:07] Mez: yes [03:07] crimsun: the new package needs a slight change [03:08] to make it pick up X [03:08] yep, I'm working on the b-d [03:08] what have you adjusted thus far? [03:08] just added xinit [03:08] ok [03:08] what have you adjusted? === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] nothing yet, just merged the libmysqlclient14-dev diff from -2ubuntu2 [03:10] why does that need to be done? [03:10] rock, I have a sid gnome session running in Xnest from the chroot [03:11] oh thats awesome [03:11] i need that setup [03:11] doesn't work terribly well, the menus show & then disappear [03:11] i see [03:11] well i can vouch for it not sucking [03:11] if that means anything [03:12] Mez: it doesn't; I didn't look at 0.18.1's changes (oops) [03:13] hey quick question, does anyone here know of a irc client for linux like colloquy on the mac? [03:13] screenshot? [03:13] :P [03:13] ive never heard of it [03:13] crimsun: hehe [03:14] tseng: http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html [03:14] http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html [03:14] oops beat me [03:14] that isnt that far off from xchat-gnome [03:14] just a littler bit shinnier [03:14] well the best view is the bubble theme [03:15] i hate the speech bubble stuff [03:15] it's kinda like ichat irc [03:15] yeah I just think it makes thingss less intimidating === ajmitch gets busy importing ~1000 images as a test [03:25] n8 all === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-21-244.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] Mez: are you building on i386? [03:37] trying [03:38] well, building on k7 [03:38] ok, it'll snag nastily on amd64 (my dev environment) [03:38] maybe I shoiuld use dev.k.o.u [03:38] mpegvideo.c:26: error: extended registers have no high halves [03:38] I'll have to look at this later tonight [03:38] yeah, it's building fine for me ... so far [03:39] I'm just trying to work out where the mixer for my TV card's gone :D [03:40] lol [03:40] well [03:40] er... [03:40] mythtv's always been broken on anythng but 1386 hasnt it [03:43] heah, guys i have a question. I would like to see the newest version of Scigraphica packaged, I guess for Breezy. Where can I see if anybody is working on it? [04:06] Mez: that troll in #u-d isn't even very good at it :) [04:07] ajmitch, lol :D I know === Mez sighs and pokes alsa === Firetech [n=Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] hey jsgotangco [04:58] hi === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-069-204.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] does the current build has in issue regarding gtk/cairo dependencies? === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487D886.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko__ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-032.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-21-244.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === AndyFitz [n=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@chan530-a204.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AndyFitz [n=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgive1 [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-110-217.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] hi. i am looking to make a debian package for an unpackaged program, conky, and would like some tips on where to start. [08:36] i know the debian policy manual is essential [08:36] and i've browsed through what i could find on the wiki [08:36] but are there other good places for information, either ubuntu-specific or for debian packaging? [08:36] the new maintainer's guide is a start, but it's a bit lacking === ajmitch needs to hunt down Unfrgiven & find his doc drafts [08:42] ajmitch, right [08:43] IntroDeveloperDocs right? [08:45] morning [08:46] so that's about it [08:46] ? === cevizoglu [n=cevizogl@c-24-6-158-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [08:46] for resources on where to start [08:47] jtan325: did you already look at DeveloperRessources? [08:47] jtan325: I put there some links to debian-woman, I like their tutorials === Seveas [n=seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] looks good [08:49] thanks [08:49] and [08:49] what is the submission policy for breezy [08:49] deadlines? [08:49] we are already in feature freeze [08:50] that means we are now stabilizing breezy [08:50] jtan325, if you are speaking about new packages, for universe mdz has oked them until the end, but you need to get a motu to approve it [08:50] but for universe, we are a bit more lax for 'leaf' packages, i.e. packages with no reverse dependencies [08:51] ah, hi Burgundavia [08:51] salut siretart [08:52] sorry, i've heard of dependencies [08:52] but reverse dependencies? [08:52] and mdz = what? [08:53] mdz is an ubuntu developer [08:53] mzd = man in charge of everything (Matt Zimmerman) [08:53] jtan325: reverse dependencies are packages, which depend on a given package [08:53] s/mzd/mdz [08:53] mdz is the LEAD UBUNTU DEVELOPER === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] lol good to know [08:54] siretart, as opposed to dependencies then? [08:54] i thought dependencies are a package relying on some other package... [08:54] jtan325: dependencies are packages, which a package depend on. see the difference? [08:55] +s [08:55] ohhhh [08:55] i see [08:55] ok [08:55] think of an dependency tree [08:55] and "bit more lax" [08:55] means what? [08:56] conky is a little system monitor program, revived from the de-funct torsmo package [08:56] a bit more lax means, that we update 'leaf' packages, when we believe they are a useful addition and don't destabilize the universe :) [08:56] speaking of new packages, I'd like to see the zero-install injector in universe. It's a pretty simple python app. [08:56] ok [08:56] Treenaks, hehehe :) [08:57] but i mean, so there's no real deadlines then? [08:57] phlaegel: do you already have it prepared? is it ready for inclusion? [08:57] i have no idea how long it'll take for me to make a good package of conky [08:57] so that's only why i ask [08:57] so i know how hard i gotta work every day :-) [08:57] jtan325: well, thats a difficult question. The deadline is already over, in principle [08:57] yeah [08:57] siretart: I'm just looking at the packaging docs on the wiki... all I've done so far is take the debian package from the z-i site and rebuild it to work on ubuntu. [08:58] jtan325: in practical, for hoary, we had xfce fixed only a day the archive was closed for cd manufacturing, IIRC [08:58] but nobody really want that. [08:58] yeah [08:58] what's the honest estimate on learning how to package [08:58] for a guy who's pretty familiar with shell scripting and unix [08:58] phlaegel: so upstream already provides debian packages? [08:59] (time estimate) [08:59] jtan325, it takes about 3 to 5 packages before you do it correctly :) [08:59] siretart: yeah, but they need some changes... all I did was remove the python << 2.4 dep and change contents from /usr/lib/python2.3 to 2.4 [08:59] oh man [08:59] haha [08:59] jtan325: that really depends on the complexity of your package. easy packages are done in few minutes for an expirienced packager. to learn that, it's not much more than a few hours. for a more complex package, its not forseeable, I think :) [09:00] then i better work hard [09:00] so. debian policy manual. debian new main. guide [09:00] jtan325, it takes months/years before you can package glibc or the kernel :) [09:00] and the stuff on the developer wiki page [09:00] phlaegel: cool! [09:00] or is that too much reading? [09:00] conky really only has one dependency, i think it's on the low end of complexity [09:01] phlaegel: If you think, your package is ready for inclusion, you need to show your package to MOTU's, and get 3 advocates (MOTUs). then we upload your package [09:01] phlaegel: iterate that a few times with fixing existing packages, and you'll become a MOTU on your own :) [09:01] so it's good for me to practice on, and i'd like to get it done fast but as high quality as possible too [09:01] debian policy manual is huge.... [09:01] oh yes [09:01] but debian is huge, too [09:02] siretart: ok, so I'll look over docs and see what else I need to do to it. should I just come back here to get advocates? [09:02] hmmm ok well i better get cracking then. i am sure i'll be looking for help in the future here. thanks [09:03] phlaegel: in principle, yes. Nowadays, we have a platform to present those packages. It is called 'REVU' [09:03] phlaegel: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu [09:04] siretart: great, thanks. [09:04] it was written to faciliate the reviewing process for us MOTU's. but you see the backlog ;) [09:05] yeah... so if I upload there, will it make it through in time? [09:05] for breezy, I mean [09:05] I'm very confident [09:06] we make review days on a regular basis [09:06] ok, excellent... I'll look it over in the morning then. thanks again. time to sleep now. :-) [09:06] It is 9am over here :) [09:06] midnight here [09:06] hehe [09:12] <\sh> morning === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] morning \sh [09:18] <\sh> hey ajmitch [09:18] <\sh> hope to get a sponsorship as well... [09:19] yeah, you deserve it more than I do [09:19] <\sh> no...I don't even know if I can get those days off [09:19] ah [09:19] <\sh> and I don't know...if i have to pay the visas fee at the immigration or if I should apply for it here at the embassy [09:20] I've already asked & got approved for time off [09:20] <\sh> i will ask today..call the embassy and get everything straight === ajmitch happily doesn't need a visa for canada [09:21] <\sh> well..tourist visa...6months..51 [09:21] <\sh> or 75 C$ [09:22] <\sh> anyways...need a coffee...before the customers are calling in...after i destroyed their sdt [09:22] not bad [09:22] <\sh> hehe [09:22] heh [09:22] <\sh> br [09:22] <\sh> b [09:26] hi \sh [09:26] sponsorship for what? [09:26] did I miss something? [09:26] UbuntuBelowZero [09:26] aah! :) [09:27] as if it will that cold in Montreal in October.... [09:28] colder than NZ, I'd imagine :) [09:28] now if it was in February, then it will really be below zero :) [09:28] UDU was nice & warm in sydney === mort_ [n=moritz@84-73-225-241.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] montreal will not be that cold [09:32] my god [09:32] they can't be serious [09:32] jsgotangco: ? [09:32] ajmitch: do you have a notify on the whole wiki? ;) [09:33] he does [09:33] yes, I do [09:33] hehe [09:33] ajmitch: do you read it all? [09:33] Treenaks: of course not :) [09:33] who would do that? [09:33] :) [09:33] just the interesting bits [09:33] interesting bits just happen to be spread all over the wiki though [09:34] It's intersting to note that most wiki editing these days are about laptops tests [09:34] yes [09:34] the laptop testing team has really taken off [09:34] Burgundavia's template is great [09:34] what is the temp at Montreal during these months? [09:34] has a few bugs [09:35] (late Oct to Nov) [09:35] probably 5C at night 10C during the days [09:35] link? :) [09:35] possibly some snow if it dips below freezing [09:35] brrrr [09:35] oh man === jsgotangco loves the sunny asian weather [09:35] google local rocks.. [09:36] Shit! === jsgotangco fills up anyways [09:36] hey, april/may is almost worse [09:36] hot and sticky === Treenaks 's alarm bells go off [09:37] We planned a Dutch LoCoTeam meeting (2 days of hacking in a bungalow) right around that time [09:37] chances of snow in late Oct/early Nov in Montreal are slim. But I grew up 500km north of Montreal, and tradionally first real snow was at that time. [09:38] monthly temp averages: http://tinyurl.com/99qs2 [09:40] hahaha wiki collision [09:40] wtf === jsgotangco waits for Treenaks to finish [09:43] ajmitch, my extensive blogging and posting has also helped [09:43] jsgotangco: done === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] ahh there's a love day [09:51] that's good [09:52] anybody know who is working on NM now? [09:52] seems to be the hated step-child [09:52] Burgundavia: not sure, I think it's stuck in universe now due to immaturity [09:52] Burgundavia: I've seen j^ talking yesterday about it [09:52] <\sh> ah fresh coffee [09:52] Burgundavia: in #ubuntu-devel [09:53] ok === ajmitch might have to brush up on his french ;) [09:53] don't worry about it [09:54] montreal is completely bilingual [09:54] I know [09:54] the servers have a habit of responding to broken french in english [09:55] <\sh> Burgundavia: do u know if I can pay the visa at immigration office at montreal airport? [09:56] <\sh> or whereever I will land [09:56] <\sh> I don't know if I have to apply for the visa at our local embassy or if I get one at immigrations [09:56] local embassy, usually [09:56] id rather consult the local embassy [09:56] just to be safe [09:57] \sh: I don't know. never heard of anyone paying it at the airport on arrival [09:57] <\sh> well...then I have to call them today to get the informations [09:57] why today? [09:57] well you can just check online [09:57] \sh, if you need a visa (which germans shouldn't), then you should get it beforehand [09:57] and see the requirements [09:58] jsgotangco: where? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] oh http://www.columbusguides.co.uk/data/can/can040.asp [09:58] europeans shouldn't need visas [09:58] yeah generally [09:58] <\sh> oh i don't need a visa...so the information is wrong on the mentioned page of the wiki page [09:59] \sh: yep [09:59] <\sh> I just read it on the german canadian embassy page ,-) [09:59] VISAS: Required by all except the following for stays of up to six months: [09:59] (b) 5. nationals of EU countries (except Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Slovak Republic, who do require a visa); [09:59] http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html [10:00] http://canadainternational.gc.ca/gtc/Going_To_Canada-en.aspx is the official web site from the Canadian government [10:00] <\sh> Treenaks: it's wrong ,-) === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] robitaille: yeah, similar to what I saw [10:00] <\sh> or didn't i understand the text correctly [10:00]