[12:00] <Shufla> o, it's tomorrow today ;)
[12:00] <phantom_> Seveas, I have /dev/hda { dma = on }
[12:00] <uthini> !gigabyte
[12:00] <ubotu> uthini: Are you on ritalin?
[12:00] <uthini> oh cmon ubotu
[12:00] <uthini> throw me a bone here
[12:00] <Thorondor> somehow I mixed up my repositories... when trying to install locales via synaptic i get an error "unresolvable dependencies" - any ideas what i could have done wrong?
[12:00] <uthini> its 12 midnite dammit
[12:01] <Seveas> phantom_, that is correct. If it does not work your drivers don't support dma, load a better driver
[12:01] <phantom_> Seveas where do I get a driver from? sorry, new to linux
[12:02] <Ungy> so I am a debian user I am goign to install linux on my wifes pc I am afraid she will get confused with debian I heard ubuntu is friendlier is this a true statement?
[12:02] <Burgundavia> Ungy, yes
[12:02] <funkyHat> Ungy, yes
[12:02] <Burgundavia> Ungy, all the power of debian + some desktop polish
[12:02] <bluesceada> yes
[12:02] <_Dom_> ok should sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade display any progress or is it a background update?
[12:02] <bluesceada> :)
[12:02] <bluesceada> just installed ubuntu today
[12:03] <Ungy> Oh so just an easier to use desktop environment?
[12:03] <tdmg> can anyone here please help me compile ZSNES on my 64bit system?
[12:03] <kevogod> Ungy: Make sure you follow the Unoffical guide on installing proprietary stuff. She will most likely need them.
[12:03] <bluesceada> she could even install it ;)
[12:03] <phantom_> Seveas, what should I look for in google for drivers?
[12:03] <kevogod> Ungy: This includes Flash, MP3, DVD, and other stuff.
[12:03] <kevogod> Ungy: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:04] <Ungy> kevogod ahh I see so I can't just install mplayer?
[12:04] <_Dom_> yes its a backgrtound process or yes it should be displaying an update?
[12:04] <avanspronsen> !ubuntuguide
[12:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[12:04] <kevogod> Ubuntuguide works great for me!
[12:05] <tdmg> can someone please help me out with my ZSNES troubles? :(
[12:05] <apokryphos> kevogod: but, as it explains, it's often a bad idea to recommend. Making a user blindly put in a few commands will often not help them
[12:05] <avanspronsen> kevogod: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[12:07] <bodaciousb> doesn anyone know a version of linux that can run on 32mb of ram?
[12:07] <tdmg> DamnSmall might
[12:08] <Ungy> bodaciousb, with x-windows system or without?
[12:08] <bodaciousb> i would prefer with, but if it isnt possible, without
[12:08] <_Dom_> ok both my downloads and extensions dialogs are greyed out in firefox
[12:08] <ms12> !breezy
[12:08] <ubotu> I heard breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[12:08] <_Dom_> and the upgrade distro line doesn seem to bo doing anything
[12:09] <apokryphos> _Dom_: are you sure you're on warty?
[12:09] <ms12> whose idea to remove the address line from nautilus in breezy are we moving forward or backword :(
[12:09] <_Dom_> how do i work it out
[12:09] <apokryphos> _Dom_: cat /etc/issue
[12:09] <Ungy> bodaciousb, a lot of distros will run on that you just have to get an older archived version
[12:10] <Ungy> !debian
[12:10] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded"; see http://www.debian.org Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9.  Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[12:10] <_Dom_> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[12:10] <apokryphos> ms12: not sure what it's like, but I think gonme are eventually moving to try to eliminate conventional filesystem hierachy altogether
[12:10] <bodaciousb> Ungy, do you think debain could do it?
[12:10] <apokryphos> _Dom_: put that upgrade line in, then; make sure you paste it properly. It will update you to hoary
[12:10] <_Dom_> well i put it in
[12:10] <przemek_> hi
[12:11] <kevogod> Use NetBSD
[12:11] <_Dom_> and my command line changed to >
[12:11] <Ungy> bodaciousb, I know that woody can I ahve run it with 32 but not with X
[12:11] <_Dom_> and nothing else has happened
[12:11] <ms12> apokryphos this way to go to any directory you have to use the mouse ???
[12:11] <apokryphos> _Dom_: you're not entering it correctly, then.
[12:11] <_Dom_> !upgrade
[12:11] <ubotu> it has been said that upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:11] <bodaciousb> Ungy, ok, ill take a look at that, thanks fo rhte info
[12:11] <rc55> I'm installing ubuntu and it's freezing on "Testing Network Repository...", any help appreciated
[12:11] <przemek_> has anyone idea how to set DCGUI to get full file list not only size?
[12:11] <tha_gamemaster> anyone have lots of nvidia card experience
[12:11] <apokryphos> _Dom_: that's it. Everything past sudo; make sure you don't have the last "
[12:11] <ms12> any way thanx for the answer i will try gnome website
[12:12] <apokryphos> ms12: yes, but far bigger things are planned, I hear.
[12:12] <TheWalrus> Hey guys I'm a Linux newb I got a quick question. I have an application that I want to start on boot up and it wants me to place it in the rcX.d folder in init.d but problem is I don't have one. Should I have one? Or do I have to make it first?
[12:12] <apokryphos> ms12: a "flat" filesystem in theory might be quite good, but it sorta eliminates the point of the UNIX filesystem :/
[12:12] <_Dom_> i was putting the first sudo in
[12:12] <_Dom_> #sorry
[12:12] <ms12> apokryphos do you knwo a thread i can read about that
[12:12] <zukalk> ms12, keyboard shortcuts help a lot in gnome spatial. try Ctrl+L
[12:12] <apokryphos> ms12: no idea I'm afraid; I remember it being raised when I had a debate with a gnomer some time ago. There's probably something on the site
[12:13] <apokryphos> _Dom_: you need the sudo there
[12:13] <_Dom_> whats the average upgrade tiem
[12:13] <_Dom_> well its installing
[12:13] <ms12> thanx zukalk and acpokryphos
[12:13] <zukalk> sure thing
[12:13] <ms12> ctrl-l is just fine for now thanx again
[12:13] <apokryphos> _Dom_: I take it you're logged in as root or something... nevermind.
[12:13] <kijo> hi
[12:13] <_Dom_> now i just need to work out my foxy problem
[12:13] <kijo> im new to ubuntu
[12:13] <kijo> and linux in general
[12:13] <_Dom_> im not on this computer
[12:14] <kijo> so whats possible to do with ubuntu
[12:14] <_Dom_> but i am on the one im upgrading
[12:14] <apokryphos> _Dom_: reasonably long. It should give you a time-limit till the end of the download; but installing the packs takes quite some time too
[12:14] <avanspronsen> welcome kijo
[12:14] <kijo> =)
[12:14] <kijo> hi
[12:14] <kijo> ^^
[12:14] <mveers> bye
[12:14] <_Dom_> im not bothered anyway ill leave it overnight :)
[12:14] <avanspronsen> kijo: what do you want to do?
[12:14] <kijo> all like in windows
[12:15] <kijo> encoding files
[12:15] <kijo> movies music
[12:15] <kijo> ripping music
[12:15] <kijo> editing movies
[12:15] <avanspronsen> there is a lot of good stuff here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[12:15] <TheWalrus> Hey guys I'm a Linux newb I got a quick question. I have an application that I want to start on boot up and it wants me to place it in the rcX.d folder in init.d but problem is I don't have one. Should I have one? Or do I have to make it first?
[12:15] <kijo> play games
[12:15] <_Dom_> i just want a php editor with an integrated ftp client
[12:15] <_Dom_> thats the onlything stopping me moving
[12:16] <_Dom_> to linux full time :)
[12:16] <zukalk> TheWalrus, do you want it at the system startup, or just when you login?
[12:16] <TheWalrus> system startup
[12:16] <apokryphos> _Dom_: Quanta+
[12:16] <zukalk> TheWalrus, then you should use bum - Boot-Up Manager
[12:16] <zukalk> !bum
[12:16] <ubotu> I heard bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[12:16] <apokryphos> _Dom_: as in, you can of course use it to edit php files online
[12:16] <TheWalrus> thank you
[12:16] <_Dom_> how would i add that to the applications menu?
[12:17] <zukalk> TheWalrus, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[12:17] <dabugas> hi
[12:17] <zukalk> hi
[12:17] <dabugas> i'm trying to get an old gameport joystick hooked up. any ideas?
[12:18] <apokryphos> _Dom_: once you install it it will probably get an entry
[12:18] <avanspronsen> _Dom_: you need to install it
[12:18] <_Dom_> do i install it through synaptic
[12:18] <apokryphos> _Dom_: if not you can use smeg or another menu editor that gnome uses, I guess
[12:18] <apokryphos> _Dom_: yes, but you can't do it at the moment. APT is being used; wait till it finishes
[12:18] <uthini> guys, i'm having issues with via sound in unbuntu
[12:19] <uthini> i had this issue before with a much older kernel
[12:19] <apokryphos> !sound
[12:19] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[12:19] <uthini> and a much older board
[12:19] <uthini> it involved recompiling with a switch here and there
[12:19] <uthini> what do i do this time around?
[12:20] <CookdGryphon> Sorry, i asked a question then got disconnected, i don't know if anyone answered, how do you set it so that numlock is on by default?
[12:20] <zukalk> CookdGryphon, i remember the ubuntuguide had something about that, but usually it's not recommended to use the ubuntuguide
[12:21] <zukalk> !ubuntuguide
[12:21] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[12:21] <CookdGryphon> and for that matter, how can i make the function lock on my keyboard stay on by default
[12:21] <x_O> is it possible to copy a directroy using scp? instead of just files?
[12:22] <apokryphos> p_O: of course; use the recursive option
[12:23] <MaitreFolas> Bonsoir
[12:23] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know where the themes folder is for fluxbox?
[12:23] <daggie> If I want to host a webpage from a home computer i need to install apache yes?
[12:23] <zukalk> CookdGryphon, http://ubuntuguide.org/#numlockx - it worked for me, but as it is from ubuntuguide, i dunno if it will for you to
[12:24] <Xenguy> p_O: the traditional way would be to tar/gzip the directory first, then scp 1 file
[12:24] <nophix> daggie: if you want to use apache yes
[12:24] <Ex-Cyber> daggie: apache is probably the most popular option, but there are other http server packages
[12:25] <Xenguy> p_O: but I guess there's more than one way to do it
[12:25] <apokryphos> scp -r
[12:25] <apokryphos> you wouldn't tar a folder, cp that, then extract :P
[12:25] <daggie> Is there anything in peticular i need to be careful of If I want to run asp.net stuff?
[12:27] <zevets> hi
[12:28] <geneo93> wow full house today
[12:30] <piotr__> ubuntu.pl
[12:32] <austin_is> anyone around?
[12:34] <markrian> austin_is, got a question?
[12:34] <IcemanV9> austin_is: hmm .. nobody's home :p
[12:34] <austin_is> markrian, can the ubuntu live cd resize ntfs partitions?
[12:35] <CookdGryphon> wow its gone strangely quiet
[12:36] <geneo93> i need some help with mondo if anyone knows about that
[12:36] <CookdGryphon> austin_is: linux doesn' like resizing ntfs
[12:36] <markrian> austin_is, y'know, I don't know. If it has the package ntfstools installed, then yes
[12:37] <CookdGryphon> hmm linux and ntfs is stioll a bit risky tho int it?
[12:37] <austin_is> that's what i was looking for...when under add/remove packages it shows it
[12:37] <austin_is> but doesn't seem to want to run
[12:37] <austin_is> and its not listed under run application
[12:37] <markrian> CookdGryphon, ntfsresize is pretty safe - I've used it before
[12:38] <markrian> austin_is, it's a command-line app
[12:38] <newman> its best to defrag the ntfs partition first if possible
[12:38] <geneo93> start it in terminal
[12:38] <zevets> hi, I can't get on quakenet irc
[12:38] <zevets> it says I need identd or need to open up port 113
[12:38] <markrian> austin_is, man ntfsresize
[12:38] <p1astik> i have amd64 proc, just wanted to know which kernal i needed to dl
[12:38] <palmero> How do I unmout a volume that has been mounted multiple times?
[12:39] <newman> use the umount command
[12:39] <zevets> hi, I can't get on quakenet irc
[12:39] <Trackilizer> hey guys, i really need your help
[12:39] <viper> can somebody plese help me set up a mp3 player, please, anyone will do
[12:39] <zevets> it says I need identd or need to open up port 113
[12:39] <Trackilizer> while installing ubuntu i had to choose between 2 eth devices
[12:39] <austin_is> k, thanks
[12:39] <viper> anyone will do as in any mp3 player
[12:39] <Trackilizer> i choose the first 1
[12:40] <austin_is> was trying to get the front end to work, but this'll be fine if it works
[12:40] <geneo93> sudo umount /dev/hda1 or what ever it is
[12:40] <p1astik> viper: xmms
[12:40] <palmero> newman: that's the problem, umount doesn't work because it is currently mounted twice
[12:40] <Trackilizer> but since then the first device had been removed
[12:40] <markrian> plastik, there are better options than that :p
[12:40] <viper> plastik: can u help me set it up, i had that but it wouldnt play
[12:40] <Trackilizer> i cant connect to the internet now becasue ubuntu is still trying to use the device
[12:41] <p1astik> viper: dl winamp or itunes then =P
[12:41] <CookdGryphon> viper: u may have to install the gstreamer libraries
[12:41] <markrian> viper, http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[12:41] <zevets> it says I need identd or need to open up port 113, so how do I open up port 113?
[12:41] <Trackilizer> how can do i config ubuntu to use the other device suggested in the installation procces
[12:41] <Trackilizer> ?
[12:41] <viper> thx u three :)
[12:41] <viper> ill check it out
[12:41] <Trackilizer> anyone?
[12:41] <p1astik> anyone know which 64 bit amd kernal to dl?
[12:41] <zevets> it says I need identd or need to open up port 113, so how do I open up port 113?
[12:42] <markrian> Trackilizer, I assume you're using GNOME in ubuntu
[12:42] <nophix> zevets: we heard you the first time
[12:42] <Trackilizer> yes
[12:42] <zevets> oh sorry
[12:42] <nophix> zevets: install identd
[12:42] <p1astik> zevets: then open the correct port or switch to one that's already open
[12:42] <austin_is> got it, thanks markrian
[12:42] <markrian> If so, go to System -> Administration -> Networking
[12:42] <titanium> is there some way to check the network utilization in ubuntu? i want to see if people are using a lot of bandwidth getting some things off the website i have running
[12:42] <zevets> synaptic didn't find it
[12:42] <sean_> heyas :)
[12:42] <Trackilizer> tried that didnt really work for me
[12:43] <Trackilizer> you think i can change it there?
[12:43] <Trackilizer> maybe i didnt do i right
[12:43] <Trackilizer> well ill try that first thing tommorrow
[12:43] <sean_> so im thinking about doing something maybe incrediable stupid, running the hoary hedge hog, just switch my APT sources over 2 breezy, gonna do the apt-get update/dist-upgrade
[12:43] <markrian> titanium, install the netspeed applet
[12:43] <nophix> zevets: sudo apt-get install oidentd
[12:43] <Trackilizer> and see what happens
[12:43] <Trackilizer> thanks alot
[12:43] <sean_> stupid idea, or is it reasonably safe?
[12:44] <Trackilizer> Ill let you guys know how it went
[12:44] <Trackilizer> see ya
[12:44] <Trackilizer> and thanks again
[12:44] <zevets> couldn't find oidentd
[12:44] <markrian> sean_, depends how handy you are with APT
[12:44] <zevets> im running amd64 version btw
[12:44] <markrian> breezy's still a little broken
[12:44] <free_me> i'm having some problems installing ubuntu:(
[12:44] <sean_> hmmm, how much is a little?
[12:45] <p1astik> zevets: what's the kernel image for 64 bit procs?
[12:45] <zevets> I have no clue
[12:45] <zevets> I am a linux noob
[12:45] <gorilla> free_me, which part?? (I may not be able to help however)
[12:45] <p1astik> zevets: do me a favor yeah? just type 'uname -r' in your terminal
[12:45] <markrian> sean_, sometimes GNOME won't work
[12:46] <free_me> i'm trying to install it in an old pc, which isn't able to boot from cdrom
[12:46] <markrian> p1astik, are you running the amd64 version of Ubuntu, or normal x86?
[12:46] <sean_> markrian, hmmm.. i run XFCE, think ill run into aditional troubles ontop?
[12:46] <zevets> 2.6.10-5 amd generic
[12:46] <markrian> sean_, most likely
[12:46] <free_me> i'm trying to find some info on how to do it from DOS but can't really get it
[12:47] <zevets> 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[12:47] <sean_> damn :p i heard breezy was a little bit faster
[12:47] <markrian> sean_, I'd suggest you wait, unless you're up to the challenge of dealing with breakages
[12:47] <p1astik> markrian: just the reguarl x86 since i had trouble installing the amd64 version
[12:47] <titaniululz> i did apt-get install netspeed; it's done. i can't find it now though
[12:47] <free_me> i also can't find any floppies working...
[12:47] <frank_b> hi all. one question: is it normal for (encrypted) DVD movies to play slower than in a normal player in a computer with ubuntu?
[12:48] <markrian> p1astik, then just install a k7 kernel
[12:48] <zevets> how do I install identd
[12:48] <zevets> it does seem to want to work
[12:48] <n1xt3r> hi, ever since I switched to ubuntu hoary from debian unstable, some of my mbox files seem to be corrupted. Running file [bad-mbox]  reports "raw G3 data, byte padded".
[12:48] <sean_> well... you know what... challenges are fun :) where do I document any breakages and what not?
[12:49] <p1astik> markrian: is 64 bit processes enabled? or is it just 32?
[12:49] <markrian> p1astik, I don't understand the question
[12:49] <markrian> free_me, you can install Ubuntu over the network, I believe
[12:50] <palmero> Hi, how do I unmount a volume that has accidentally been mounted twice (at the same mountpoint)?
[12:50] <sn0n> kick it!!
[12:50] <sn0n> twice
[12:50] <leon> Hi all, what package has /etc/X11/rgb.txt?
[12:50] <free_me> i also dont have a crossover cable right now :/
[12:50] <markrian> palmero, man umount
[12:50] <Ben_P> hi everyone, are there any minimum sytem requirements for running ubuntu?
[12:50] <p1astik> markrian: i just want to make sure that im able to fully exploit my processor
[12:50] <larsrohdin> hi, i just found a fun thing when looking in the setup for the clock... What is Unix-time?
[12:51] <markrian> p1astik, unless you install the full amd64 version of ubuntu, using a 64 bit kernel is useless
[12:51] <sean_> Ben_P: I run ubuntu on a 333 celeron w/ 64mb ram
[12:51] <markrian> larsrohdin, unix time is the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970
[12:51] <sean_> Gnome is slow, but XFCE is managabke
[12:51] <p1astik> sean_: ROFL
[12:51] <DekaPink> What do I need to do to have telnet links from firefox recognized by... Something?
[12:51] <larsrohdin> markrian, and that was when unix was born i guess?
[12:51] <sean_> anything lower, i might not recommend it :p
[12:52] <jode> what is a good music player for ubuntu?
[12:52] <markrian> free_me, so you can't install from the CD, and it's not connected to the network?
[12:52] <sean_> plastik: yeah man i know, gotta love x-wifes :p
[12:52] <larsrohdin> jode, xmms
[12:52] <DekaPink> jode: I use xmms :)
[12:52] <sean_> xmms owns :p
[12:52] <p1astik> sean_: my friend runs a 333 cyrix with 32ram and runs ubuntu stripped
[12:52] <jode> are there any others?
[12:52] <markrian> sean_, beep-media-player > xmms
[12:52] <viper> i installed those codecs, now xmms wont open
[12:52] <sean_> beep wouldnt load my alarm clock plugin :p
[12:53] <sean_> rofl! 32mb ram must just be murder lol
[12:53] <geneo93> beep is gtk2 xmms is gtk1
[12:53] <p1astik> markrian: then why would i have problems installing the amd64 edition?
[12:53] <jode> ok, thanks
[12:53] <markrian> p1astik, I have no idea. What problems are they
[12:53] <p1astik> sean_: yeah, its his little firewall
[12:53] <p1astik> markrian: i have problems installing GRUB
[12:53] <Ben_P> sean_: this is going to sound odd but, are those specs suitible for day to day work on ubuntu (word processing, web browsing etc, )?
[12:54] <sean_> lol, did he strip out x windows?
[12:54] <sean_> Ben_P: With a little bit of tweaking, yeah, I use it for everything
[12:54] <p1astik> markrian: i have no problem paritioning my HDD with the x86 version
[12:54] <p1astik> sean_: yeah, just terminal =D
[12:54] <geneo93> p1astik: check your bios settings
[12:54] <Ben_P> sean_:are minimum system specs likley to rise with every release?
[12:55] <sean_> lol! thats funny! man after my own heart, craming the turkey until it bursts
[12:55] <sean_> Ben_P: Rumour has it, breezy is faster then hoary, but tis just rumour
[12:55] <Ben_P> k, thankx
[12:55] <p1astik> geneo93: what would i be looking for?
[12:55] <mwright1> Will ubuntu Breezy have FreeNX?  (I heard it has LTSP, so FreeNX would be icing on the cake seeing it's the best remote access solution under the sun (for GUI anyway))
[12:55] <[EasterSunshine] > where can an exhaustive list of characters that cannot be in unix filenames, and those that should not be in unix filenameS?
[12:56] <sean_> wow, i dont know easter, but if you run into one, share the wealth :p
[12:56] <EasterSunshine> i was wondering what happens if i but the pipe char | in the name of a bin
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: it won't work
[12:56] <geneo93> p1astik:  togle pnp and 32 or 64 bit mode
[12:56] <EasterSunshine> or other shell script operators
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> what on earth do you think would happen?
[12:57] <sean_> it just spew out an error
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> you'd have two invalid commands piped to each other
[12:57] <linlin> i need a bigger lap
[12:57] <rc55> Hi - Are there any issues with any repositories at the moment? I can't seem to access any, however web access works fine. Any help greatly appreciated
[12:57] <steven__> if a port is filtered is it secure?
[12:57] <linlin> so i can hold more than 2 laptops
[12:57] <yoda> I'm trying to install something and it cannot find the c compiler
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> steven__: maybe maybe not
[12:57] <p1astik> geneo93: thanks =D
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: install what
[12:57] <mumak> hi
[12:57] <EasterSunshine> yoda: apt-cache search gcc
[12:57] <linlin> yoda, sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
[12:57] <yoda> a typing tutor program
[12:57] <steven__> HrdwrBoB: then how can i make it secure
[12:58] <EasterSunshine> yoda: a better solution would be to look for your program in the repos though
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: linlin generally people don't need to compile things
[12:58] <sean_> rc55: i just downloaded off of the hoary repo's, was fine
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> steven__: 'secure' i s a very very relative term
[12:58] <Melectaus_> Im wondering if someone could help me... Every time i try to play a video file, such as a DVD or a .mpg etc etc, the audio doesnt work. Audio works when i play music files such as .ogg and .mp3 but any video file with sound just wont work.
[12:58] <lJlolel> i want my terminal to be white text on black!
[12:58] <Melectaus_> Any suggestions?
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: what program
[12:58] <linlin> i compile lots of things
[12:58] <viper> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:58] <viper> i got xine and it worked
[12:58] <viper> :)
[12:58] <viper> im happy
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> linlin: you may well do, but almost all software you need is in the repositories
[12:58] <Melectaus_> Please :(
[12:58] <rc55> sean_: thanks for your feedback, any ideas on my prob?
[12:58] <linlin> vlc owns
[12:58] <viper> my music
[12:58] <yoda> what is the repo
[12:58] <viper> thx all
[12:58] <viper> bye
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories
[12:59] <ubotu> I guess repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:59] <sean_> check your /etc/apt/sources.list file and make sure its ok
[12:59] <Melectaus_> Could someone please help
[12:59] <linlin> i think only thing that i need that isnt in reos is called "kftpgrabber"
[12:59] <rc55> I've got http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[12:59] <Melectaus_> This is doing my tits in :(
[12:59] <Nexinarus> !transcode
[12:59] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Nexinarus
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB>  Melectaus_ in totem?
[01:00] <geneo93> repo man is someone whos going to take your car
[01:00] <Melectaus_> HrdwrBoB, in any media player im afraid
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> Nexinarus: transcode is only in hoary extras
[01:00] <sean_> rc55: mines different...
[01:00] <Nexinarus> jeez bob2, do you ever go to sleep?
[01:00] <EasterSunshine> linlin: kftpgrabber is a kde's graphical ftp client?
[01:00] <yoda> I'm trying to install Ktouch typing tutor
[01:00] <mumak> I'm having difficulty making Caps Lock an extra Ctrl key on my powerbook
[01:00] <mumak> Is this even possible>>
[01:00] <Melectaus_> HrdwrBoB, any suggestions?
[01:00] <linlin> it doesnt come with kde i dont think
[01:00] <Nexinarus> thnx HrdwrBoB
[01:00] <linlin> i always have to install it seperate from source
[01:00] <yoda> what do I do after untaring the file, apt-get install?
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> Melectaus_: do you have the liba52-0.7.4 and gstreamer0.8-a52dec packages?
[01:00] <sean_> is what i had rc55
[01:01] <linlin> best client out there for FXP, SSL/TLS, using distributed ftp servers
[01:01] <EasterSunshine> yoda: what came out of the tab? a source tree?
[01:01] <Melectaus_> HrdwrBoB, im not sure. i think so, how do i check>
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: you don't need the file at all
[01:01] <uthini> i want to install the new nvidia drivers, but in order to do that i need to kill my x window
[01:01] <EasterSunshine> s/tab/tar
[01:01] <uthini> how do u do that?
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: just apt-get install ktouch
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: or use synaptic
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> !synaptic
[01:01] <ubotu> I guess synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:01] <linlin> sudo apt-get install ktouch
[01:01] <neiras> Is there a decent gnome2 mp3 tag editor that does batch renaming?
[01:01] <Nexinarus> !repositories
[01:01] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:01] <Coyctecm> great newiest ati drivers can handle xcompmgr alot better than old ones
[01:01] <EasterSunshine> !info ktouch
[01:01] <ubotu> ktouch: (touch typing tutor for KDE), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 975 kB, Installed size: 2068 kB
[01:01] <Coyctecm> but not usable still :/
[01:02] <uthini> !nvidia
[01:02] <lJlolel> nvermind, i got it
[01:02] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> Nexinarus: ? bob2 seems to be asleep
[01:02] <Melectaus_> HrdwrBoB,  yes i have both installed
[01:02] <linlin> !info kftpgrabber
[01:02] <Nexinarus> i love ubotu ;)
[01:02] <p1astik> Nexinarus: ubotu?
[01:02] <Nexinarus> the bot
[01:02] <EasterSunshine> kftpgrabber isn't in the repos, i doubt ubotu will know about it
[01:02] <linlin> /whois ubotu
[01:02] <Nexinarus> in this channel
[01:02] <Melectaus_> so any ideas HrdwrBoB
[01:02] <neiras> !id3
[01:02] <ubotu> Not a clue, neiras
[01:02] <neiras> sigh
[01:02] <yoda> I just did apt-get and it worked, but I don't understand what happened. Did it get a version offline?
[01:03] <geneo93> to bad he cant do catchup
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: it connected to the repository
[01:03] <EasterSunshine> yoda: you got a version from the repos servers
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: downloaded the package
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> yoda: and installed it
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> there are literally thousands of packages
[01:03] <yoda> how do I know what's available?
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> use synaptic
[01:03] <Melectaus_> HrdwrBoB, you got any ideas please?
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> !synaptic
[01:03] <Melectaus_> :(
[01:03] <ubotu> well, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:03] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: including the unofficial, and the debian's, i think there are tens of thousands
[01:03] <lJlolel> holy.. transparent background in a terminal is hte coolest thing i've ever seen
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> Melectaus_: if other audio works but not DVD, it's odd
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: debian repos are bad[tm]  but yes
[01:04] <Dr_Melectaus> HrdwrBoB, its any video file
[01:04] <sean_> <-- wishes he wasnt on an antique so he could have transperancy too
[01:04] <Dr_Melectaus> not just dvd
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Melectaus: oh, odd
[01:04] <EasterSunshine> lJlolel: wait till you see your desktop background as a shell...
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Melectaus: try running 'killall esd'
[01:04] <lJlolel> EasterSunshine, whoooa how do i do that ?!?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> and then playing them
[01:04] <p1astik> gamemaster: j0!
[01:04] <tha_gamemaster> p1astik: j0!
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: I prefer ~ as nautilus desktop
[01:05] <EasterSunshine> lJlolel: i think you need eterm and a certain wm...
[01:05] <p1astik> GO GM
[01:05] <Dr_Melectaus> HrdwrBoB, after that thewhatn
[01:05] <tha_gamemaster> GO P1ASTIK!
[01:05] <sean_> so is any one here a member?
[01:05] <lJlolel> lol cool, now that i've set up for a week, i'm getting into the coool parts of linux
[01:05] <tha_gamemaster> can anyone help me with my broken ubuntu?
[01:05] <tag> I just installed ubuntu on a dell inspiron 1100
[01:05] <derFlo> hi
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> sean_: a member of what
[01:05] <sean_> whats broken :p
[01:06] <tag> the video is in a totally crappy mode
[01:06] <sean_> HrdwrBoB,  the ubuntu members comitee
[01:06] <tag> it's 640 x 480 but smooshed into the middle of the screen at 1024 dpi
[01:06] <derFlo> how can I prevent ubuntu to set up interfaces during bootup? or just to background dhcp?
[01:06] <tag> what do I need to change
[01:06] <tag> ?
[01:07] <lJlolel> i can't get onto freenode from a java irc client applet online
[01:07] <derFlo> i commented out eth0 and eth1 from /etc/network/interfaces without any change.
[01:07] <sean_> derflo - download BUM - boot up manager
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> derFlo: edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out 'auto eth0'
[01:07] <derFlo> ok, thx
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> !resolution
[01:07] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:07] <derFlo> HrdwrBoB: already tried that
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> tag: there
[01:08] <Nexinarus> hmm when i add transcode i get: "transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>=1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed"
[01:09] <lJlolel> BUM isn't in the apt repository
[01:09] <sean_> any one have any insight on speed? wondering about Opera Vs. Firefox, my bet says opera loads faster, anyone know for sure?
[01:09] <sean_> no, bum isnt, its in a .deb   for dpkg
[01:09] <sean_> ill find the link to the site, one sec
[01:10] <derFlo> is evolutions offline-mode  crap or did I do something wrong? have imap and a 56k modem connection. Every action is very very slow
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> Nexinarus: yeah it's slightly broken, depends on backports
[01:10] <uthini> erm guys, the ubuntu nvidia driver is WAY out of date
[01:11] <Nexinarus> HrdwrBoB: synaptic doesnt let me use the backports :S
[01:11] <uthini> how do i update it?
[01:11] <sean_> chugglalugga lug lol... feel that horespower lol.. http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html  - BUM
[01:11] <Mez> ...?
[01:11] <tha_gamemaster> uthini: yes i'd also like to know
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> sean_: the time spent worrying about it is so much more than the time spent loading your browser :)
[01:11] <uthini> its not upgradeable in synaptic
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Nexinarus: ?
[01:11] <lJlolel> i installed grub when i set up ubuntu, but now i can't boot up my windows xp drive
[01:11] <uthini> and i can't kill this xwindow
[01:11] <Mez> transcode from where?
[01:11] <lJlolel> it says fielsystem unrecognized or somehting
[01:11] <Nexinarus> it says fix dependencies
[01:11] <Mez> gives a dep on backports
[01:11] <sean_> HrdwrBoB,  LOL I WISH! man, firefox is damn slow
[01:11] <free_me> how many floppies do i need if i can't boot from cd?
[01:12] <Sammi_> What is the terminal command to open XMMS and have it run a cd?
[01:12] <sean_> and i even tweaked it in about:config
[01:12] <Mez> free_me - technically - one
[01:12] <dalamar> 120
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> sean_: what system?
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> uthini if xkill doesn't do it, kill it by pid
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> free_me: none.
[01:12] <Mez> free_me, or 0 if you already have linux installe
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> free_me: ubuntu doesn't support floppies
[01:12] <tag> ok
[01:12] <sean_> 333mhz celeron, 54mb ram, 8mb Matrox Millenium II grphx, and XFCE desktop
[01:12] <sean_> 54 lol 64
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> if you need to use a floppy you're doing something wrong
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> sean_: ah, so ancient
[01:12] <uthini> EasterSunshine, how do i get the name of the display that x is running on?
[01:13] <uthini> and how do i restart it ? start x?
[01:13] <free_me> i have the install cd, but i'm unable to boot from it
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> uthini: echo $DISPLAY
[01:13] <sean_> yeah, anitquing in style :p even play counter-strike on this bad boy :p
[01:13] <dalamar> lol
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> uthini: restart with /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:13] <Mez> HrdwrBoB, actually ubuntu does support floppies - but only for net installs :D It's capable of every install methode debian is
[01:13] <free_me> very old computer.. :p
[01:13] <lJlolel> sean_, counter-strike under wine?
[01:13] <sean_> no, i keep a 1gb windows 98SE partition for it :p had it going under cedega, lost 10fps vs. native
[01:14] <lJlolel> sean_, nice
[01:14] <sean_> lol, extreme is what i call it lol :"p
[01:14] <Mez> sean_, I GAIN fps under cedega
[01:14] <geneo93> free_me:  how much ram
[01:14] <sean_> really? Feck i wish, my grphx card is just crap,
[01:14] <free_me> so i can't launch the istaller with floppies?
[01:14] <free_me> 32mb :$
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> Mez: yeah, I just think that any time you need a floppy, you're doing something wrong
[01:14] <uthini> EasterSunshine, i've got the display name
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> either you're trying to install on a computer that's little more than landfill
[01:15] <uthini> but if u didn't notice xkill only kills a window
[01:15] <uthini> i tried all
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> Mez: cedega gains fps from native windows?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> or you aren't doing something right
[01:15] <uthini> but that aborts
[01:15] <geneo93> free_me:  dont bother
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> Mez: what processor and graphics card?
[01:15] <lJlolel> EasterSunshine, sometimes
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> uthini: xkill kills the creator of the window...
[01:15] <free_me> :(
[01:15] <sean_> yeah, mez, you've got a pimp setup then, i lose vs. native on everything... not like i use windows #!#@ any more :p
[01:16] <dalamar> I don't see how any program can run faster under a non-native system
[01:16] <derFlo> as far as i can see, bum doesn't background dhcp, or?
[01:16] <amonkey> is there a way to login to gdm via ssh
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> uthini: or does it...?
[01:16] <kevogod> !breezy
[01:16] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[01:16] <uthini> EasterSunshine, it aborts
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> dalamar: windows is horribly bloated
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> uthini: sry i don't know then
[01:17] <dalamar> EasterSunshine, still, I've never heard of such a thing
[01:17] <uthini> u mean no1 knows hows to close an ubuntu window & boot down to shell?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> uthini: press ctrl-alt-f1
[01:17] <uthini> HrdwrBoB, that still leaves my xwindow open
[01:18] <lJlolel> uthini, ctrl-alt-backspace kills X
[01:18] <geneo93> uthini:  try sudo init3
[01:18] <uthini> and as long as an xserver is running nvidia won't install
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> geneo93: no
[01:18] <sean_> No it doesnt, it kills  reloads X, <ctrl-alt-backspace>
[01:18] <dalamar> question, do all of you using cedega subscribe to it or are you using the ancient free one?
[01:18] <sean_> sorry kills + reloads
[01:18] <lJlolel> sean_, that's what i've been told but it doesn't reload for me :(?
[01:18] <sean_> reloads fine for me, time to go bug hunting :p
[01:18] <kevogod> Same here
[01:19] <kevogod> (does not reload)
[01:19] <lJlolel> but it's cool, i just start x
[01:19] <dalamar> reloads automagically here
[01:19] <tag> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1600x1200" (no mode of this name)
[01:19] <tag> and on down the list
[01:19] <geneo93> HrdwrBoB:  i use telinit3 all the time to install nvidia drivers
[01:19] <tag> that page did not really help me
[01:19] <kevogod> I have to use startx
[01:20] <dalamar> I just use synaptic to install nvidia dirvers and dont have to deal with all this not running X horsecrap ;)
[01:20] <Nexinarus> HrdwrBoB: when synaptic says "the old version will be used" it also says fix the problem and does not allow me to continue
[01:20] <uthini> gimma a command to list all running processes
[01:20] <uthini> that way i can kill x
[01:20] <dalamar> ps aux
[01:20] <derFlo> i can't find out wich ubuntu-stuff overwrites /etc/network/interfaces. this file doesn't seem to be processed at boot?
[01:21] <uthini> dalamar, i'm subscribed to cedega
[01:21] <lJlolel> uthini, ps aux | grep x ? or something like that right?
[01:21] <geneo93> dalamar:  thats why i have 7676 drivers and you dont
[01:21] <dalamar> geneo93, it works, and thats all I care
[01:22] <geneo93> ahh but the gain in fps is worth the upgrade dalamar
[01:22] <dalamar> its currently being used for gl screensavers and gl snes9x, wh00. Believe me I understand you but my geforce is so old it likely would not matter ;)
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:23] <geneo93> dalamar:  get nvclock and crank it up
[01:23] <dalamar> now if i had a new nvidia card and was running cedega or something I'd totally use the fancy drivers
[01:24] <DekaPink> What do I have to install to be able to use the dos2linux command? Or is there some equal command I can use? :3
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> dalamar: I have a newer card and do run cedega
[01:24] <Nexinarus> anyone here successfully installed transcode?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> and I cbf with new drivers
[01:24] <lJlolel> why do you use cedega instaed of wine (doesn't cedega cost $$)
[01:24] <dalamar> cedega is game optimized
[01:24] <reiki> is there a way to find out if a package exists in the repositories without actually downloading or installing it?
[01:24] <dalamar> and fancy
[01:25] <Kyral> reiki, apt-cache search
[01:25] <geneo93> HrdwrBoB:  did you notice the gain with newer drivers
[01:25] <darkheart> reiki Use the search function in synaptic =)
[01:25] <uthini> lJlolel, are u on ubuntu?
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> geneo93: no, because I'm not running them
[01:25] <othernoob> does k3b support 8x burning on dvds?
[01:26] <dalamar> othernoob, yes
[01:26] <geneo93> oh ic
[01:26] <othernoob> dalamar: mmh, weird.. it shows 6x as top speed here..
[01:26] <speel> hey whats the current gaim version of hoary?
[01:26] <dalamar> othernoob, mine posts 8x fine, dunno
[01:27] <geneo93> funny my dual layer dvd wont burn cd at no less than 24x
[01:27] <othernoob> dalamar: does yours burn 8x too?
[01:27] <othernoob> dalamar: because if i choose "auto" it chooses 8x...but never goes higher than 4-5
[01:27] <CookedGryphon> How do I add things to the gnome menu in ubuntu?
[01:27] <dalamar> othernoob, you may not have dma running on the drive?
[01:28] <dalamar> mine fluctuates but will hit 8
[01:28] <reiki> CookedGryphon:  smeg
[01:28] <othernoob> dalamar: naa, dma was the first thing i enabled after i installed kubuntu ;)
[01:28] <dalamar> CookedGryphon, install smeg
[01:28] <derFlo> hmmm
[01:28] <dalamar> othernoob, dunno then
[01:29] <othernoob> dalamar: which version are you using?
[01:29] <dalamar> 1 sec
[01:29] <derFlo> Editing in run level S is not allowed!  Playing with rcS.d symlinks is an administration activity requiring deep knowledge of the runlevel system.
[01:29] <d2dchat> what is the app for ruby editing?
[01:29] <dalamar> othernoob, 0.11.24
[01:29] <derFlo> tried to deactivate networking in bum
[01:30] <othernoob> dalamar: that's the ubuntu package isn't it?
[01:30] <dalamar> othernoob, yessir
[01:30] <darkheart> d2dchat Ruby editing? You just need a text editor.
[01:30] <d2dchat> darkheart, yes but is there one for ruby that includes code highlighting ?
[01:31] <reiki> d2dchat: : I think Bluefish will highlight ruby... lemme check
[01:31] <darkheart> d2dchat You can usually add those highlighting options to popular text editors. I'm pretty sure vi works.
[01:31] <d2dchat> ive yet to get used to vi hehe
[01:31] <tag> Other than this stupid video problem this all went pretty smoothly
[01:32] <reiki> d2d: ok I was mistaken... I don't see Ruby listed
[01:32] <d2dchat> reiki, lol, its ok:)
[01:32] <othernoob> dalamar: i use 0.12.2..but that shouldn't be the reason :/
[01:32] <dalamar> if anything you'd think it was better
[01:33] <othernoob> indeed
[01:33] <dalamar> anyways, k3b is just a frontend for the command line tools so if anything I would think it would be a limitation of them
[01:33] <lJlolel> reiki, synaptic?
[01:33] <lJlolel> reiki, i personally prefer apt-cache search
[01:34] <dalamar> you CLI kids, sheesh ;)
[01:34] <dalamar> I like pictures lol
[01:34] <othernoob> dalamar: yes of course
[01:34] <reiki> lJlolel: I think I need to uncomment some repositories to find things. Wish there was an easier way to do that :)
[01:34] <geneo93> it could be the media also cheap stuff dont work well
[01:34] <dalamar> reiki, real easy in synaptic heh
[01:35] <othernoob> geneo93: naa, the media is fine. i tried different ones, as well as them on xp
[01:36] <reiki> dalamar: last time I did it in Synaptic I somehow "updated" my system by mistake. :)  I just want to look and then only "activaate" teh extra repo I need and then unactivate it
[01:36] <dalamar> ah i see
[01:37] <derFlo> i don't know why, but my ubuntu doesn't even closely behave like a debian
[01:37] <derFlo> what drives me crasy
[01:37] <apokryphos> derFlo: hard to suggest that considering it uses the same package management system
[01:37] <apokryphos> derFlo: had to have an argument with someone not too long ago who maintained that Ubuntu itself wasn't a fork
[01:37] <bluesceada> what do you mean with that ?
[01:37] <apokryphos> it syncs back with Debian every 6 months
[01:38] <Nexinarus> ey what video player uses gstreamer? xine?
[01:38] <codecaine> totem
[01:38] <dalamar> Nexinarus, totem
[01:38] <sean_> debian = good... ubuntu = great... so whys it matter? :P
[01:38] <derFlo> my installation is totally unstable, sl-modem didn't work (it does now), /etc/hotplug/blacklist listed snd-intel8x0m
[01:38] <derFlo> the slamr-modules don't work
[01:39] <derFlo> firefox always crashes
[01:39] <derFlo> ...
[01:39] <bluesceada> o.O
[01:39] <derFlo> on my installation
[01:39] <sean_> derflo.. my system hasnt crashed once scince install..
[01:39] <bluesceada> i just installed ubuntu .. had no single problem except the isa nic which needed manual module loading
[01:39] <derFlo> maybe the problem is sitting in front of the screen, but i didn't have as many prob's with debian
[01:39] <dalamar> use good qulity brand name hardware lol, I haven't had one problem yet and everything worked out of the box ;)
[01:40] <j_smith> hello all
[01:40] <bluesceada> derFlo: just an offtopic question .. are you german ? your nickname remembers me of a person in my little village ..
[01:41] <derFlo> yes
[01:41] <laserite> hey does anybody remember that tool to delete the last n lines in a file??
[01:41] <laserite> it's in coreutils i think
[01:41] <bluesceada> derFlo: is it keltern weiler
[01:41] <j_smith> could simebody tell me how can I add mp3 support to my ubuntu system?
[01:41] <derFlo> and ubuntu feels a little bit like win..... (lots of sounds)
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> !mp3
[01:41] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:41] <derFlo> was?
[01:41] <dalamar> sounds are cool!
[01:42] <bluesceada> hmm ... wait .. now i know what does also not work ^^ .... the sound
[01:42] <j_smith> thanks ubotu
[01:42] <Nexinarus> so noone has successfully installed transcode?
[01:42] <bluesceada> but i also didnt get it to work manually with gentoo before ..
[01:43] <dalamar> its time linux crawled out from this uber hacker command line sys admin b.s. and have at least one distro take up having a nice personal desktop OS
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> dalamar: ... like ubuntu?
[01:44] <derFlo> deos anybody use evolution?
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> derFlo: yes
[01:44] <derFlo> also in offline-mode?
[01:45] <dalamar> HrdwrBoB, exactly my point
[01:45] <derFlo> mine reacts very slow. is that normal? thunderbird is 100 times faster.
[01:45] <dave_> looking for some help with ndiswrapper, when I try to modprobe I get a FATAL: error inserting ndiswrapper. I've tried recompiling with current kernel and headers but no luck. Any ideas???
[01:45] <DekaPink> Huh... I'm trying to compile mcl, the mud client... and it says to me "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl"
[01:47] <bluesceada> derFlo: i switched from gentoo to ubuntu on my 700mhz duron and i'd say ubuntu is a tad slower  .. but i dont need to compile the new packages ^^
[01:48] <derFlo> bluesceada: ubuntu is fast, only evolution needs lot's of time when opening imap-folders, syncing etc
[01:48] <derFlo> and i have 56k !!!
[01:49] <bluesceada> mh yeah gentoo was not much faster
[01:49] <bluesceada> in reaction time it was definately not faster
[01:49] <derFlo> my debian was very slow. but i had: sshd, mysqld, apache2, smartd, ...
[01:49] <bluesceada> but you had to wait a bit shorter for different kind of stuff
[01:50] <bluesceada> hm main box running gentoo here and my 700duron running ubuntu now :)
[01:50] <derFlo> i like ubuntus speed. faster bootup and gnome is faster then xfce on my old debian box
[01:50] <bluesceada> or win(tendo) 2000 for playing old games like simcity3000 ^^
[01:50] <derFlo> the same machine
[01:50] <bluesceada> hm
[01:51] <p_O> can someone tell me what this error means? (nautilus:18599): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[01:51] <derFlo> but evolution isn't usable. i can't wait 15mins just to open a folder
[01:51] <TomT64> what -l do I use to include the python library
[01:51] <bluesceada> but i certainly think ubuntu is the best desktop linux so far .. it is lightweight enough but still get everything you need
[01:52] <bluesceada> derFlo: i never used evolution ..
[01:52] <EasterSunshine> bluesceada: any idea on the best server linux?
[01:52] <dalamar> i dislike it
[01:52] <derFlo> i'll give it a try
[01:53] <cafuego> derFlo: have a look at 'offlineimap' ?
[01:53] <derFlo> i'm downloading kontact
[01:53] <darius> first installation... WOW i love ubuntu :-)!!!!!
[01:53] <apokryphos> derFlo: good idea
[01:53] <derFlo> hopefully this won't be that worse
[01:53] <derFlo> offlineimap?
[01:53] <apokryphos> yup
[01:53] <apokryphos> disconnected IMAP
[01:54] <cafuego> derFlo: Yes, sync imap locally, so yoi're not runnig it live over 56K (which is never going to be fast)
[01:55] <derFlo> cool, just read the descr.
[01:55] <apokryphos> !kontact
[01:55] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, apokryphos
[01:55] <apokryphos> d'oh
[01:55] <atila> hi all :-) I need to find the name of an application to organise my thoughts. had seen it on the forums once but cannot find again :-(
[01:55] <darius> AAA: multitrack audio file editor... any raccomandation?
[01:55] <KeepItReal>  # Wine Official Package Mirror
[01:55] <KeepItReal> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[01:55] <KeepItReal> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[01:56] <KeepItReal> is this what i have to put on souces.list to install wine ?
[01:56] <KeepItReal> sources*
[01:56] <dalamar> heh no
[01:56] <mojo343> anyone know the command to dpkg to make it installed like apt-get?
[01:56] <derFlo> thank you for the offlineimap-tip sounds good
[01:56] <_frank> KeepItReal: wine is in universe
[01:56] <derFlo> dpkg -i asdf.deb
[01:56] <darius> sudo dpkg -i
[01:57] <mojo343> thanks
[01:57] <KeepItReal> _frank,  ???
[01:57] <dalamar> add universe and sudo apt-get install wine
[01:57] <dalamar> !repos
[01:57] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:57] <dalamar> follow it ;)
[01:57] <KeepItReal> oh thanks man
[01:58] <atila> anyone knowing the name of the meta thought organizer application ? please ?
[01:58] <EasterSunshine> sudo apt-get install atila's_brain
[01:58] <apokryphos> atila: er, what?
[01:59] <atila> EasterSunshine : ty :-) lol
[01:59] <EasterSunshine> atila: maybe try an application that puts sticky notes on your desktop?
[01:59] <_frank> atila: try gpenandpaper ;-)
[01:59] <bluesceada> EasterSunshine: oh i don't know for servers ..
[01:59] <atila> apokryphos : once I saw a forum thread where people talk about their favprite applications
[01:59] <apokryphos> right...
[01:59] <bluesceada> for servers there would be needed performance testing etc. .... not something you can just look and feel like a desktop os
[02:00] <atila> and someone mentioned using an kind of meta thought organizer thnigy
[02:00] <EasterSunshine> bluesceada: debian and rh seem to be the server distros
[02:00] <apokryphos> atila: do you mean a program for digital sticky notes?
[02:00] <atila> but cannot find it after searching for hours ...
[02:00] <atila> apokryptos : not like notes; more like bubbles connected to be organised
[02:00] <apokryphos> atila: it would help if we knew what it did, I'd guess. What exactly is a meta thought?
[02:00] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell atila about tab
[02:00] <Chadza> tab?
[02:00] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about tab
[02:00] <bimberi> atila: freemind? (it's a mind mapping tool)
[02:01] <crimsun> Does anyone have access to a Breezy live cd (Colony 3 or later) and can check something for me?
[02:01] <atila> freemind may beeee :-)
[02:01] <EasterSunshine> ohh...i thought tab was a kick-ass mind organizer app
[02:01] <atila> let me seeeee :-)
[02:01] <apokryphos> crimsun: aha! Was wondering when you'd show up :P. Is 1.3 going into a repo?
[02:01] <crimsun> apokryphos: what did Riddell say regarding it?
[02:01] <apokryphos> crimsun: he's not back still, is he?
[02:01] <denis_molnar> new to ubuntu and irc.  need guidance on downloading a non-graphical internet browser such as lynx
[02:02] <atila> bimberi : mind mapping :-)
[02:02] <crimsun> apokryphos: probably not, judging from his nick
[02:02] <apokryphos> crimsun: I meant, is the pack you made going into a repo...
[02:02] <p1astik> can anyone please tell me how to set read permissions on an NTFS mounted hdd
[02:02] <crimsun> apokryphos: it will (mine)
[02:02] <darius> ok seeyasoon
[02:02] <crimsun> p1astik: pass -o umask=022 to mount
[02:02] <apokryphos> crimsun: cool; link? At least 4 people have asked in today about a repo for it
[02:02] <denis_molnar> my dial-up is really sloooow
[02:02] <dalamar> denis_molnar, sudo apt-get install lynx on command line
[02:02] <crimsun> apokryphos: working on it :)
[02:03] <p1astik> crimsun: thanks....can i put that in my fstab?
[02:03] <jasoncohen> what's the command line option to leave out a directory when making backups with tar of /home for example. i don't want my music folder to be backed up
[02:03] <EasterSunshine> p1astik: -o ro will set it read-only
[02:03] <apokryphos> crimsun: oh ok; be sure to send the link over when you're done :P
[02:03] <atila> bimberi, freemind it is :-) thank you all . . .
[02:03] <jasoncohen> man tar doesn't help
[02:03] <crimsun> p1astik: sure
[02:03] <EasterSunshine> crimsun: i've always set umask=0222...is that any different?
[02:04] <bimberi> atila: yvw :)
[02:04] <sean_> does the term: swapiness ring a bell to anyone in here?
[02:04] <denis_molnar> sounds good i will try it tonight.
[02:04] <jedistar> Hello, I just need need some help and I am have installed Ubuntu... I dont know anything about this OS, but before I can read the docs/help I would need to change the refresh rate to at least 75hz.. its now at 60hz, it does not allow me to go higher.. I am using nvidia T1500 which can go up to 100hz
[02:05] <bluesceada> sean_: yeah a bit ..
[02:05] <darkheart> !tell jedistar about nvidia
[02:05] <atila> jedistar : you came to the right place :-)
[02:05] <_frank> !resolution
[02:05] <ubotu> methinks resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:05] <darkheart> jedistar Might want to just install the proper driver if you haven't done so yet.
[02:05] <sean_> bluesceada, i've got mine at 40. instead of 60, think its a reasonable value for a 64mb <ram> machine?
[02:05] <dalamar> jasoncohen, tar --help look through the -X options
[02:05] <jedistar> yeah, as soon I can get this fixed.. my eyes wont hurt when I read the doc :)
[02:05] <bluesceada> sean_: depends on what you do the most i think
[02:06] <bluesceada> that means it swaps less, and tries to clean ram first
[02:06] <jedistar> thank you
[02:06] <sean_> everything, lol, no gaming, but word processing, browsing, IM, radio, etc..
[02:06] <atila> thanks again and see you all :-) bye
[02:06] <bluesceada> hm you could even set it lower .. if you want
[02:07] <sean_> i might just do that, wasnt sure if id be butchering the chicken thou
[02:07] <bluesceada> and maybe try using cfq for your hard drives then
[02:08] <sean_> cfq?? havent heard that term before
[02:08] <bluesceada> completely fair queueing gives all programs the same performance ... or how you could say it ..
[02:08] <sean_> oh wow, i like the sound of that
[02:08] <bluesceada> elevator=cfq as a kernel parameter
[02:08] <sean_> sounds like im rebuilding my kernel :)
[02:09] <bluesceada> hm should be in it
[02:09] <bluesceada> you can even change the scheduler on the fly afaik ..
[02:09] <bluesceada> with the procfs
[02:09] <sean_> wow, thats indepth, where can i find some docs?
[02:10] <crimsun> lwn.net, lkml archives, or kerneltrap.org
[02:10] <sean_> thank you, and thank you too :)
[02:10] <bluesceada> google ;)
[02:11] <jasoncohen> i used "-X=/home/jason/My\ Music\ CDs" and it says "tar: =/home/jason/My Music CDs: No such file or directory". However it does in fact exist
[02:12] <nopea> hey guys and gals... can Ubuntu (or any other flavor of Linux) copy files from a Mac OS X CD?
[02:13] <crimsun> jasoncohen: err, --exclude-from=FILE ?
[02:13] <crimsun> jasoncohen: if "My Music CDs" is a file (not a directory), then you need to adjust the placement of the beginning double quote
[02:13] <Chadza> Someone mentioned 'freemind' as a sticky/organizer earlier, is it in any of the main repos?
[02:13] <jedistar> I have to do this command sudo nvidia-glx-config enable at a terminal?
[02:13] <crimsun> jedistar: yes
[02:13] <jedistar> where is the terminal btw?
[02:13] <crimsun> jedistar: System> Applications> System...
[02:14] <apokryphos> jedistar: everywhere!
[02:14] <jasoncohen> crimsun, oh- i can't have it ignore a whole directory
[02:14] <bimberi> Chadza: no it isn't
[02:14] <jedistar> thanks crimsun
[02:14] <bimberi> Chadza: it's a Java app, you need to install a JRE environment
[02:14] <jasoncohen> crimsun, can i use a wildcard like --exclude-from=*.mp3
[02:14] <Chadza> bimberi, I have java jdk 1.5 installed, if that's what you mean.
[02:14] <bimberi> Chadza: then go to the freemind site (first hit in google) and download the it
[02:15] <jedistar> is the same as root terminal?
[02:15] <bimberi> s/the it/it/
[02:15] <jedistar> is it I mean
[02:15] <bimberi> Chadza: that should be fine
[02:15] <d2dchat> how come my installtion of mysql doesnt come with a mysql.sock file?
[02:15] <crimsun> jasoncohen: try generating it on the fly via $(ls somedir/*.mp3)
[02:15] <popey> d2dchat: surely that file is created when mysql starts?
[02:15] <crimsun> d2dchat: err, why wouldn't that be in /var/run/... ?
[02:16] <Chadza> bimberi, Okay, lemme go try that out.
[02:16] <Nexinarus> ok so say i have libgcc1 version 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 but require >=1:4.0.0-7, how do i use a backport (or find the latest version...)
[02:16] <d2dchat> oooooo
[02:16] <d2dchat> /var/run/mysqld/myswld.sock
[02:16] <d2dchat> /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[02:17] <d2dchat> lol, why is it that?/
[02:17] <d2dchat> why the extra d?
[02:17] <BSG75> hola, any idea how I can install kde for ubuntu?
[02:17] <apokryphos> !kde
[02:17] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[02:17] <darkheart> BSG75 I believe 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' will work.
[02:17] <BSG75> many thanx Darkheart
[02:18] <jasoncohen> crimsun, ls: /home/jason/My Music CD/*.mp3: No such file or directory
[02:18] <d2dchat> crimsun, thank you!!
[02:19] <KeepItReal> how can i see .wmv files ?
[02:19] <derFlo> ciao, going to bed. thx
[02:19] <crimsun> jasoncohen: generate a file from the directory listing prior to executing tar
[02:19] <KeepItReal> i just try everthing and nothing
[02:19] <darkheart> BSG75 You're welcome
[02:19] <funkyHat> is jackd installed by default in ubuntu?
[02:19] <BSG75> KeepItReal: xine mplayer
[02:19] <amonkey> i forgot where i installed jre. how can i find out where the java link in bin goes to?
[02:19] <crimsun> funkyHat: no. Enable universe and install jackd.
[02:19] <darkheart> !tell KeepItReal about restricted
[02:19] <KeepItReal> BSG75,  doesn't work...
[02:19] <funkyHat> crimsun, i've got it, just trying to get it working
[02:19] <BSG75> did u download the codecs?
[02:19] <_frank> KeepItReal: you need w32codecs
[02:19] <BSG75> sec
[02:20] <darkheart> KeepItReal Check out what ubotu sent you
[02:20] <BSG75> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:20] <KeepItReal> ok darkheart
[02:20] <BSG75> everything u need to know
[02:20] <apokryphos> amonkey: ls -l /usr/bin/java
[02:20] <KeepItReal> BSG75,  yes i download
[02:20] <funkyHat> crimsun, when i launch apps that use jackd they say the server isn't running/couldn't be contacted
[02:20] <KeepItReal> i have a lot of porn and i can't see
[02:20] <KeepItReal> that's terrible
[02:20] <BSG75> LOL
[02:20] <crimsun> funkyHat: is jackd actually running?
[02:20] <crimsun> (via pgrep)
[02:20] <BSG75> that is terrible :)
[02:21] <apokryphos> I still dont' think it works that well with .wmv files; haven't got it to work properly here
[02:21] <apokryphos> s/dont'/don't
[02:21] <BSG75> my mplayer plays everything
[02:21] <funkyHat> crimsun, returns nothing, so i assume it isn't
[02:21] <dalamar> fight the man and his horrible .wmv files
[02:21] <apokryphos> was some time ago; I should perhaps retry
[02:21] <BSG75> unless they r the DRM'd to hell ones then I just delete because it's not worth my time
[02:21] <crimsun> funkyHat: then you've discovered where you should begin troubleshooting
[02:21] <jasoncohen> crimsun, hmm, each CD has its own directory so there are quite a bit of directories
[02:21] <funkyHat> ok :)
[02:21] <darkheart> Only thing I remember hearing about was wmp9 encodes that had trouble playing.
[02:21] <Nexinarus> anyong ever managed to install transcode?
[02:21] <jasoncohen> why isn't there a way to just exclude a directory?
[02:22] <bluesceada> sean_: btw. you can change the swapiness on the fly in the file /proc/sys/vm/swappiness .. just echo the number that you want to that file
[02:22] <darkheart> jasoncohen Why don't you just mv the directory somewhere else real quick?
[02:22] <BSG75> Nexinarus: transcode is working great for me
[02:22] <brandome_> xmms freezes on playback
[02:22] <Nexinarus> how did you install it?
[02:22] <brandome_> any help?
[02:22] <_frank> darkheart: yeah streaming wmv9 is pretty bad
[02:22] <apokryphos> !xmms
[02:22] <ubotu> Don't use XMMS; it's a program that has easily passed its use-by-date. For alternatives see amaroK, JuK, Rhythmbox or beep.
[02:22] <jasoncohen> darkheart, i want to do nightly backups
[02:22] <jasoncohen> crimsun, can rsync exclude directories?
[02:22] <dalamar> bah xmms forever!
[02:22] <brandome_> they wont work either
[02:22] <Nexinarus> i cant manage to install, depenencies of libgcc1 > than the latest version i can download
[02:22] <cafuego> jasoncohen: yes
[02:22] <jasoncohen> that would also give the advantage of incremental backups
[02:22] <apokryphos> dalamar: yuk oO
[02:22] <brandome_> i cant get anythign to play audio files
[02:22] <robotgeek> beep rocks
[02:22] <jasoncohen> cafuego, what's the command to exclude a dir in rsync?
[02:22] <dalamar> rhythmbox is gross
[02:23] <apokryphos> brandome_: have you tried the above suggested ones?
[02:23] <Chadza> bimberi, Okay, it's installed.
[02:23] <_frank> Nexinarus: if the package is not built for ubuntu, you can try to compile it from source
[02:23] <robotgeek> dalamar: agreed!
[02:23] <dalamar> I want something exactly like winamp, xmms works ;)
[02:23] <cafuego> jasoncohen: --exclude string1 --exclude string2 ...
[02:23] <BSG75> if xmms is crashing check if you are using alsa
[02:23] <brandome_> yeah- same here
[02:23] <apokryphos> brandome_: you may need gstreamer0.8-mad for some of those apps to play MP3s
[02:23] <Chadza> bimberi, Now I play.
[02:23] <brandome_> except my xmms doentss work
[02:23] <bimberi> Chadza: enjoy! :)
[02:23] <apokryphos> dalamar: have you tried the others?
[02:23] <brandome_> i even tried command line mpg123 and that wont work eitehr
[02:23] <cafuego> jasoncohen: I for instance use --exclude /proc --exlcude /dev --exclude logs/
[02:23] <apokryphos> dalamar: I'd find it highly suspect if someone went back to xmms after using those
[02:24] <apokryphos> heck, even noatun is better and if you really want to it can look like winamp. Ergh.
[02:24] <brandome_> at first i got the libmikmod ertror
[02:24] <amonkey> why do i get NoClassDefFoundErrors when i try to run java programs?
[02:24] <brandome_> but that is since been fixed
[02:24] <dalamar> apokryphos, well amarok is kde and bloat, dont know what juk is, but I've heard beep is good
[02:24] <jasoncohen> cafuego, thanks
[02:24] <apokryphos> dalamar: how is it bloated? It's kde... yes?
[02:24] <Amaranth> hi
[02:25] <robotgeek> K in kde stands for....:)
[02:25] <apokryphos> Kool!
[02:25] <Amaranth> i'm alive
[02:25] <apokryphos> Amaranth: congratulations
[02:25] <dalamar> kde is ugly ;)
[02:25] <brandome_> i have gstreamer- but ill try reeinstalling it
[02:25] <cafuego> Amaranth: oh yuck, can you please not? ;-)
[02:25] <dalamar> just imo
[02:25] <jedistar> how do I get the desktop back up after using cntrl-alt-backspace to log out?
[02:25] <robotgeek> Amaranth: hi
[02:25] <Nexinarus> if i install a new package (libgcc1) and it makes other programs not function, am i screwed>
[02:25] <dalamar> jedistar, startx
[02:25] <apokryphos> Amaranth: you have a cold too?
[02:25] <jedistar> thanx
[02:25] <Amaranth> at the library, i start college tomorrow
[02:26] <Amaranth> yay me
[02:26] <Xenguy> dalamar: there is something, er, garish, about it IMO
[02:26] <darkheart> Mm..college..I miss it.
[02:26] <apokryphos> dalamar: phew, and there was me thinking it was objectively ugly for a second...
[02:26] <Amaranth> i have over 1000 emails, not going to read any of them
[02:26] <apokryphos> Amaranth: recursive delete -- always handy.
[02:26] <CookedGryphon> i'm trying to install smeg, but it says python-xdm is too new or summat weird, (>+0.14 required) 0.9-1 installed
[02:27] <Amaranth> CookedGryphon: The official backports version is broken.
[02:27] <bimberi> oh the wonderful timing of that post :)
[02:27] <CookedGryphon> oh right
[02:27] <robotgeek> :)
[02:27] <CookedGryphon> when's it gna b fixed?
[02:27] <Amaranth> wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && sudo python installsmeg
[02:27] <brandome_> ok- i reienstalled gstreamer.8 mad
[02:27] <brandome_> didnt help
[02:27] <Amaranth> it isn't, smeg is going to be removed
[02:27] <dalamar> Granted I've never taken the time to deck out kde but I like the dual taskbar default gnome setup, simple and easy to install themes .. though I hear that XFCE is good too, haven't seen/tried it though
[02:28] <dalamar> erm I installed smeg fine
[02:28] <Sheba1> hello
[02:28] <Amaranth> dalamar: That was the unofficial backports.
[02:28] <jasoncohen> cafuego, rsync -ave --exclude "My Music CDs" /home /mnt/stuff/backups/ubuntudesktop
[02:29] <jasoncohen> cafuego, would htat work?
[02:29] <jasoncohen> *that
[02:29] <dalamar> Amaranth, ah, i see
[02:29] <liquidfire> woohoo i got cedega to work on a amd 64
[02:29] <liquidfire> :D
[02:29] <apokryphos> dalamar: you should try it out; one command on Ubuntu gets you there
[02:29] <Amaranth> gtg
[02:29] <apokryphos> Amaranth: what is the broken package still doing there? :/
[02:30] <Sheba1> I have a question about UBUNTY
[02:30] <dalamar> apokryphos, you mean xfce? is it as robust as kde/gnome or is it one of thoe barebones WMs?
[02:30] <Sheba1> I am a newbie (sorry)
[02:30] <apokryphos> dalamar: no, I mean KDE
[02:30] <apokryphos> Sheba1: we'll decide whether to forgive you after
[02:30] <dalamar> apokryphos, I've tried it before
[02:30] <LinuxJones> Sheba1, nothing to be sorry about we all were at one time :)
[02:31] <apokryphos> dalamar: what does "deck out kde" mean then?
[02:31] <Sheba1> Thanks LJones
[02:31] <dalamar> apokryphos,  the default setup just didnt inspire me to customize it
[02:31] <Sheba1> I am having trouble downloading a package.
[02:31] <LinuxJones> Sheba1, chich one ?
[02:31] <LinuxJones> err which
[02:31] <darkheart> !tell Sheba1 about repositories
[02:31] <Sheba1> limewire
[02:31] <apokryphos> dalamar: it's highly customizable, but you don't have to; as in, it works just fine as it is. Whatever floats your boat though.
[02:32] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Sheba1 about limewire
[02:32] <robotgeek> !start a wm war
[02:32] <ubotu> robotgeek: Wish i knew
[02:32] <dalamar> apokryphos, well I'd have to customize to live with it for sure, I didn't really like the default taskbar at all
[02:32] <apokryphos> dalamar: as I said, whatever blows your hair back.
[02:33] <liquidfire> dalamar, i tried to install smeg today
[02:33] <liquidfire> and its installing now lol
[02:33] <liquidfire> very wierd
[02:33] <liquidfire> Oo
[02:33] <apokryphos> robotgeek: he's good at initiating DE wars though :P
[02:33] <funkyHat> can anyone you help me set up jackd to use the realtime priveliges and to run at startup, without locking alsa?
[02:33] <funkyHat> 0:-)
[02:33] <liquidfire> where can I find smeg when i installed it dalamar  ?
[02:34] <dalamar> liquidfire, applications, system tools
[02:34] <popey> what starts esd? it's not listed in /etc/init.d that I can see?
[02:34] <CookedGryphon> lol it took me so long to install smeg i forgot what i wanted to put in the menu!
[02:35] <CookedGryphon> smeg.
[02:35] <bimberi> lol
[02:35] <funkyHat> popey, the gnome sound server starts esd
[02:35] <liquidfire> whats the command to run a java application ?
[02:35] <popey> I want to restart esd, because I killed it to allow me to play a game that doesn't like it, and now I want to play some music in rhythmbox, but i think that needs esd
[02:35] <liquidfire> I want to run azureus
[02:35] <funkyHat> popey, it -should- just start
[02:35] <popey> liquidfire: I just run the azureus binary, it finds java in the path
[02:35] <dalamar> apokryphos, kde has a good one built in right?
[02:35] <popey> funkyHat: yeah, but i killed it :D
[02:36] <funkyHat> yeah, but it should just start again when it is called
[02:36] <funkyHat> try it
[02:36] <CookedGryphon> oh yeah, java, thanks for reminding me, i put the path to the java executable in my /etc/profile file's PATH statement, but it doesn't find it and i have to type out the full path when i want to start a java program
[02:36] <nalioth> azureus is satan
[02:36] <apokryphos> dalamar: naturally, but I never use it; most don't. Shouldn't that be how it is?
[02:36] <popey> terminal hangs when i type "esd"
[02:36] <robotgeek> nalioth: i agree
[02:36] <CookedGryphon> OH YEAH! that's whta i wanted smeg for, i have a java version of Risk and wanted to start it automatically
[02:36] <apokryphos> dalamar: though, it's partly down to the fact that I don't use the menu (I have removed it) before; alt+f2 is faster
[02:36] <funkyHat> popey, i mean just start the program you want to use
[02:36] <robotgeek> i use official bt client, ncurses
[02:36] <popey> oh
[02:36] <popey> in that case rhythmbox has "issues", it didn't start esd
[02:36] <popey> which i expect it should?
[02:36] <dalamar> apokryphos, you've convinced me to check it out again, you seem sane and not just screaming 'kde rocks' for no reason ;)
[02:37] <nalioth> robotgeek: ncurses-bt + gnu screen
[02:37] <liquidfire> it says something about ' and fails to load
[02:37] <robotgeek> nalioth: :)
[02:37] <liquidfire> how to fix :)?
[02:37] <apokryphos> dalamar: I think it's infinitely superior to gnome, but I don't think it's necessarily the write DE for everyone. For example, the dual panels as you suggested is a valid point. There are a few others.
[02:37] <jasoncohen> cafuego, rsync works great and it makes the backup process a lot faster. tahnks
[02:37] <jasoncohen> *thanks
[02:37] <apokryphos> s/write/right
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> apokryphos: infinitely?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> apokryphos: would you like to rethink your statement?
[02:38] <cafuego> jasoncohen: *nod* it's great. Be sure to also give it compression options :-)
[02:38] <apokryphos> HrdwrBoB: I am exaggerating, but must better yes =)
[02:38] <apokryphos> s/must/much
[02:38] <apokryphos> damn, it is getting late.
[02:38] <jsl> Im on ubuntu right now :)
[02:38] <jsl> Got My D-Link working
[02:38] <apokryphos> excellent!
[02:38] <dalamar> apokryphos, I was under the impression you could setup a dual bar setup in kde as well, thought I did that last time I was running it
[02:38] <jsl> Moving to ubuntu now
[02:38] <popey> \o/ @ moving to ubuntu
[02:39] <mutie> does the live cd come with the onscreen keyboard, anybody know?
[02:39] <Chadza> SuSe scared me away from KDE originally, but I was cured.
[02:39] <apokryphos> dalamar: with a application/launcher bifurcation? You perhaps can. I know you can easily change to Mac OS X style
[02:39] <Chadza> But fluxbox is the way!
[02:39] <dalamar> Well I'm going to install it and check it out
[02:39] <theblue> Is there a way to convert from Debian Sarge to Hoary?
[02:39] <apokryphos> =)
[02:39] <robotgeek> Chadza: openbox is the r0x0rs!
[02:39] <theblue> Can I just do the sources.list switch?
[02:40] <apokryphos> theblue: it's not likely to be smooth, but there are a few success stories.
[02:40] <theblue> apokryphos: Oy vey.
[02:40] <theblue> Pardon me for a moment.
[02:40] <liquidfire> when i make a symbolic link using cedega like cedega pathtoexe will it work ?
[02:40] <liquidfire> in the menu
[02:40] <dalamar> yes
[02:41] <liquidfire> cool
[02:41] <liquidfire> =] 
[02:41] <Chadza> robotgeek, Haven't tried that yet.  I got bb4win on xp, then I heard that it was based on fluxbox, which was a 'windows manager', whatever the heck that is, for this thing called linux, which was even weirder.
[02:41] <CookedGryphon> why oh why when i try and synchronise evolution with my gaim buddy list, does it pick jus tone contact at random to add?
[02:41] <dalamar> does with wine at least heh
[02:41] <robotgeek> Chadza: welcome!
[02:41] <dalamar> Chadza, bb4win is based on blackbox, another winow manager
[02:41] <jsl> Whats a good Ftp Client for Ubuntu (I use proftp for a server)
[02:41] <liquidfire> gFTP ?
[02:41] <dalamar> Chadza, hence the 'bb' ;)
[02:41] <liquidfire> jsl,
[02:41] <apokryphos> jsl: gftp/nautilus/konqueror
[02:42] <richardkillingsw> hello
[02:42] <jsl> Im on Ubuntu (Gnome version...)
[02:42] <richardkillingsw> i have a question
[02:42] <richardkillingsw> im trying to install some icons on kubuntu
[02:42] <jsl> So i cant do like konquerer
[02:42] <liquidfire> jsl, use gFTP
[02:42] <liquidfire> :)
[02:42] <richardkillingsw> and i have to make a theme file from scratch
[02:43] <tag> Anyone have one of those crappy i810 chipsets?
[02:43] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: what type of theme file?
[02:43] <richardkillingsw> can someone tell me what all i need to put on this file to make it work
[02:43] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: and how are those two related?
[02:43] <richardkillingsw> index.theme
[02:43] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: a karamba theme?
[02:43] <richardkillingsw> a karamba theme?
[02:43] <popey> tag: 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 03)
[02:44] <popey> tag: one of them?
[02:44] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: what type of theme is it? Theme for....
[02:44] <tag> yeah
[02:44] <tag> one of those
[02:44] <richardkillingsw> some new icons i got off the web
[02:44] <popey> tag: yes, i do then :D
[02:44] <popey> tag: well, my wifes pc does
[02:44] <tag> popey: well how did you get it to work?
[02:44] <popey> tag: get what to work?
[02:45] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: sounds like Windows to me, I don't know.
[02:45] <tag> popey: I only have it drawing a little box, 640x480, in the middle of the screen (get X to work correctly)
[02:45] <richardkillingsw> no its linux icons
[02:45] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: in KDE icon "themes" are just a set of folders with icons
[02:46] <popey> tag, want my xorg.conf?
[02:46] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: link?
[02:46] <richardkillingsw> they are png files
[02:46] <tag> popey: Yes and any kernel options if you are passing them
[02:46] <richardkillingsw> windows uses ico files for icons right
[02:46] <popey> standard kernel options, no changes there
[02:46] <tag> oh, sweet
[02:46] <richardkillingsw> hold on
[02:46] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: perhaps. Is it a *kde icon theme* ?
[02:46] <tag> popey: did your auto-configure work out or was it as much of a bitch as they appear to typically be? :-P
[02:46] <popey> worked ok
[02:46] <tag> really, I've got this dell inspiron 1100 and it's not working out
[02:46] <dalamar> works fine with decent chipsets ;)
[02:46] <popey> this is a dell
[02:46] <tag> dalamar: yes, with decent chipsets
[02:46] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: if it's a kde icon theme then you should be able to point to the tar in kcontrol
[02:47] <dalamar> dell is the evil ;)
[02:47] <richardkillingsw> http://en.crystalxp.net/gallery/png1.php
[02:47] <richardkillingsw> this is the link
[02:47] <popey> tag: http://popey.com/xorg.conf
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> richardkillingsw: that tux gallery ROCKS
[02:47] <richardkillingsw> yeah i know
[02:47] <ray_> tux gallery?
[02:47] <richardkillingsw> i want to install it
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> http://tux.crystalxp.net/
[02:47] <Fleischlego> rehi. :)
[02:47] <liquidfire> bah
[02:47] <richardkillingsw> but i cant figure out how
[02:47] <ray_> ty
[02:48] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: heh, it says "Crystalizes your Windows XP"
[02:48] <liquidfire> when i try to do apt-get w32codecs
[02:48] <liquidfire> i cant install them
[02:48] <liquidfire> amd 64
[02:48] <liquidfire> :o
[02:48] <richardkillingsw> but they are png files
[02:48] <richardkillingsw> windows doesnt use png files
[02:48] <Fleischlego> liquidfire: apt-get install w32codes :P
[02:48] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell liquidfire about w32codecs
[02:48] <richardkillingsw> they use ico files
[02:48] <CookedGryphon> OK simple question, PATH variable, i want to set it to search /usr/java/bin so i can run java things easily, i put that in the /etc.profile path line and it didn't work, there was no path variable setting in ~/.bashrc so i assumed maybe it went of fthe profile one, what am i doing wrong?
[02:48] <dalamar> brb
[02:49] <ray_> CookedGryphon: java should be able to run just by typing java
[02:49] <popey> richardkillingsw: there's a command called "icontopbm"
[02:49] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: those icons look a lot like Linspire's ones. You can download those from kdelook.org
[02:49] <Fleischlego> Does anyone know where the 'java.library.path' is? :)
[02:49] <richardkillingsw> ok
[02:50] <richardkillingsw> which icon package is it on kdelook.org
[02:50] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: well, the Crystal ones themselves are on kdelook too of course
[02:51] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: Cyrstal Clear: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25668&PHPSESSID=ea97f17fc2c089c557d6ac2b75682b96
[02:51] <apokryphos> richardkillingsw: not sure exactly which icon theme you were referring to from that link though...
[02:51] <robotgeek> this bbwin thing is good!
[02:52] <kikito> what up fellas
[02:52] <kikito> have anybody set up cube?
[02:52] <ray_> i have
[02:53] <ray_> cube is cool
[02:53] <nalioth> robotgeek: what is bbwin?
[02:53] <kikito> I keep getting this error about libSDL
[02:53] <kikito> cant get it going
[02:53] <trans_err> off topic: anyone know if I can use a Linksys WRT54G to extend a current wireless network?
[02:53] <robotgeek> nalioth: blackbox like shell for windows!
[02:53] <Nexinarus> omg i think ive majorly fucked up my box
[02:53] <CookdGryphon> did sum1 answer my java question? i got disconnected
[02:53] <nalioth> robotgeek: ah. i dont run windoze
[02:54] <dalamar> okay, I have a question, on the login screen my whole screen is offset by an inch or so to the right, and when I load gnome everything fixes itself and is centered .. now I try KDE and even when the whole desktop is loaded the screen is off-centered, what gives?
[02:54] <robotgeek> nalioth: lab work, CAD design..sucks!
[02:54] <robotgeek> nalioth: this alteast allieviates the issue
[02:54] <ray_> kikito: sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2
[02:54] <Nexinarus> i installed new version of libgcc1 and libc6... and now it remove ubuntu_base, g++, libtool, ubuntu-desktop, lsb, most of the important looking packages :(
[02:54] <Nexinarus> shit
[02:54] <ray_> kikito: then it will work
[02:54] <kikito> ray: I did that
[02:54] <nalioth> robotgeek: alleviates what issue?
[02:54] <ray_> kikito: and the mixer?
[02:54] <kikito> ray: but still doesnt work
[02:54] <richardkillingsw> ok this is the same theme
[02:55] <richardkillingsw> as the one i already had
[02:55] <kikito> ray: hmmmm let me check that out
[02:55] <ray_> kikito: sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2
[02:55] <kikito> ray: mixer?
[02:55] <richardkillingsw> how do i install this
[02:55] <ray_> kikito: do exactly that
[02:55] <kikito> ray: k let me check
[02:55] <Nexinarus> is there a way i can undo my changes.. i've majorly fucked up my box and i dont want to restart...
[02:55] <ray_> kikito: copy and paste
[02:56] <DekaPink> Hey all... Does anyone know how to work koalamud? :3
[02:56] <kikito> ray: k its still going
[02:56] <ray_> kikito: Enemy-territory is way better
[02:57] <ray_> kikito: but cube is fun
[02:57] <amonkey> has anyone tried to get a tivo home media server running? i've tried severalprograms and i can't get them to broadcast
[02:57] <richardkillingsw> dude
[02:57] <kikito> ray: enemy territory?
[02:57] <richardkillingsw> it wont let me install this theme
[02:57] <richardkillingsw> and i have a theme file with it
[02:57] <kikito> ray: is there a tutorial on how to install that one?
[02:57] <ray_> kikito: yeah ...... its a free game based on wolfenstien..all online and good graphics
[02:57] <tag> popey: that didn't work out either...hurmph
[02:58] <popey> :(
[02:58] <ray_> kikito: that and americas army
[02:58] <kikito> ray: nice
[02:58] <richardkillingsw> could i put that link into synaptic and install it that way
[02:58] <kikito> ray: sweet
[02:58] <kikito> ray: im tired of playing couterstrike
[02:58] <kikito> ray: want to check something new
[02:58] <ray_> kikito: if you get cube installed i will play you
[02:58] <kikito> ray: awesome
[02:59] <kikito> ray: k its installed hold on
[02:59] <kikito> ray: perfect!!!!!!!!!
[02:59] <kikito> ray: got it going
[02:59] <kikito> ray: how I play you?
[02:59] <ray_> cool let me install really quick
[03:00] <kikito> ray: k
[03:02] <ray_> kikito: ok installed
[03:03] <kikito> do you see my offer for chat?
[03:03] <ray_> yeah
[03:03] <ray_> do a
[03:03] <ray_> update master server
[03:03] <jack|ass> is Ubuntu Breezy fixed yet?
[03:03] <ray_> i will meet you in there my name will be ray
[03:04] <kikito> ray: huh?
[03:04] <ray_> go into the room with the most people
[03:04] <kikito> ray: how?
[03:04] <ray_> in the game list there is an option to update master server list
[03:04] <six2one> in ooo2 how do you set the default file type? i want to set it to .rtf by default
[03:04] <kikito> ray: ok
[03:06] <Nexinarus> i hate this.. ive nearly fucked up my whole system from installing transcode dependencies :S
[03:06] <six2one> in ooo2 how do you set the default file type? i want to set it to .rtf by default.
[03:07] <funkyHat> how can i play a sound through /dev/dsp1 (aoss)?
[03:07] <masta_> can someone help me with setting up twiinview?
[03:10] <azahid> qestions for somebody who can help: 1) why the Totem browser plugin is unable to play the video feed in the CNN web page. Mplayer plugin just works fine. 2) My Canon 3000f scanner is not listed in the supported Linux scanners webpage. Is that mean there is no way to make it work or it requires lot of knowledge and tweaking ?
[03:10] <cisco> opa
[03:11] <cisco> algum poderia me ajudar
[03:11] <cisco> quero saber sobre o cebeta!
[03:11] <ray_> um english
[03:11] <cisco> algum pode me ajudar?
[03:11] <masta_> can anyone help me with twiinview?
[03:11] <ray_> no comprende
[03:12] <ray_> ubuntu-es
[03:12] <kikito> ray: good game
[03:12] <cisco> hum ok
[03:12] <cisco> sorry
[03:12] <kikito> ray: I was unnamed
[03:12] <ray_> kikito: yeah im not in the mood at the moment
[03:12] <cisco> do you speak english?
[03:12] <bimberi> !br
[03:12] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[03:12] <ray_> kikito: yeah i asked if it was you
[03:12] <kikito> ray: how do I change name?
[03:12] <IceDC571> how do i make apt-get ignore a broken package?
[03:12] <Pickle_Weasel> how would i give myself root access in X? i can't drop file A into folder B without it
[03:13] <Xenguy> Pickle_Weasel: Ubuntu uses sudo, not root
[03:13] <ray_> kikito: type t      that is to talk....then /n           <-------name that you want
[03:13] <Pickle_Weasel> is "sudo" an actual user that i can log in with?
[03:13] <cisco> how I use the cebeta?
[03:13] <Agrajag> !sudo
[03:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:13] <Agrajag> read that
[03:13] <looky> is there a way of saving your settings if you are using the livecd version ?
[03:13] <Pickle_Weasel> kk ty
[03:14] <ray_> looky: install   ..........lol
[03:14] <kikito> ray: thanks I will check out those other games you metioned
[03:14] <masta_> who wants to tell me about twinview? anybody?
[03:14] <ray_> kikito: enemy-territory is frickin awesome
[03:14] <noob-leech> strangely, everything works again.
[03:14] <kikito> ray: got it
[03:14] <looky> ubuntu will not install correctly on my sony laptop
[03:14] <noob-leech> thanks again. :)
[03:14] <ray_> masta_: what is twinveiw
[03:15] <cisco> which page I find cebeta?
[03:15] <looky> so i use the livecd version, that has no problems
[03:15] <cisco> which page I find cebeta?
[03:15] <cisco> anda what's cebeta? x] 
[03:16] <cisco> I am new with the program linux, necessary of aid!
[03:16] <ray_> !br
[03:16] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[03:16] <Xappe> hmm, I guess i should totally remove the xorg-driver-fglrx before using the ati installer from their website, right?
[03:16] <kikito> ray: thanks for all your help man
[03:17] <masta_> me get 2 monitor me need help with twinview me wish you stop ignoring me
[03:17] <ray_> Xappe: fglrx didnt work
[03:17] <kikito> ray: I will see you playing enemy-territory later
[03:17] <ray_> masta_: look ^
[03:17] <Xappe> ray_: what?
[03:17] <ray_> kikito: there is alot of games going on .... i would have to give you the ip
[03:18] <jack|ass> is the Cairo problem fixed so I can upgrade to breezy without killing my laptop?
[03:18] <kikito> ray: I see
[03:19] <ray_> masta_: dont use the ati drivers from the site
[03:19] <ray_> oops
[03:19] <Xappe> ray_: why?
[03:19] <ray_> Xappe: cuz they dont work
[03:19] <kikito> ray:  ok Im gonna play some cube.  see ya later ray
[03:19] <ray_> kikito: later
[03:19] <darkheart> ray_ That's not true.
[03:19] <Xappe> ray_: for you, or for everyone?
[03:20] <ray_> for alot of people
[03:20] <ray_> that i have talked to
[03:20] <ray_> just
[03:20] <masta_> i... have an nvidia card
[03:20] <azahid> anybody: is it possible to play CNN videos with Totem browser plugin??
[03:20] <Xappe> well, I guess they work if I install them properly
[03:20] <ray_> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx then edit xorg and where "ati" put "fglrx" and boom they work
[03:21] <jsl> is there a good mp3 player for linux?
[03:21] <ray_> Xappe: ok you can try the ones from the site but im telling you your gonna have problems
[03:21] <apokryphos> Is there a desktop communications protocol in gnome? Like DCOP, but for gnome?
[03:21] <bluesceada> jsl: amarok , beep media player ..
[03:21] <Xappe> ray_: my question was if I should remove that package before installing the new drivers ;)
[03:21] <ray_> Xappe: yeah you should
[03:21] <apokryphos> jsl: indeed, there are excellent ones. Better than Winamp :P
[03:22] <azahid> Beepmp3 players: Beep
[03:22] <ray_> what the hell is winamp
[03:22] <Nexinarus> hey, with a default install of ubuntu - is Lilo installed?
[03:22] <apokryphos> Nexinarus: no, GRUB.
[03:22] <_frank> no
[03:22] <ray_> i dont think so
[03:22] <jsl> But what is one...
[03:22] <jsl> I dont have none that do it
[03:23] <ray_> jsl: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[03:23] <apokryphos> jsl: you were already given some. amarok, juk, beep, rhythmbox, noatun...
[03:23] <Nexinarus> good, i will uninstall lilo then - im not sure what base packages i needed..
[03:23] <dalamar> apokryphos, are there skins for amarok?
[03:23] <apokryphos> dalamar: indeed
[03:23] <dalamar> k
[03:23] <apokryphos> dalamar: with the latest amaroK version you can also use KHotNewStuff for new styles
[03:24] <Nexinarus> i hope like fuck my system still works, restarting...
[03:24] <jsl> E: Couldn't find package beep-media-player
[03:24] <apokryphos> dalamar: well, it depends on how you use the term skin
[03:24] <jsl> Got that error
[03:24] <apokryphos> dalamar: if you mean winamp-type skin, then no. It is a KDE app
[03:24] <hardw1re> good evening! :D
[03:24] <ray_> hmm let me look
[03:24] <dalamar> ugh
[03:24] <apokryphos> dalamar: noatun for "skin weenies"
[03:24] <apokryphos> s/for/is for
[03:24] <hardw1re> isnt there a package for mplayer? cause i cant seem to find it any more :S
[03:24] <apokryphos> !mplayer
[03:24] <ubotu> apokryphos: Wish i knew
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: it's in multiverse
[03:25] <apokryphos> ger, who deleted the factoid? :S
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories
[03:25] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:25] <ray_> !find beep-media-player
[03:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'beep-media-player' (2 shown): beep-media-player ;; beep-media-player-dev.
[03:25] <jsl> !find beep-media-player
[03:25] <hardw1re> !3D
[03:25] <ubotu> Wish i knew, hardw1re
[03:25] <hardw1re> !acceleration
[03:25] <ubotu> hardw1re: Are you smoking crack?
[03:25] <hardw1re> lol
[03:26] <apokryphos> jsl: what's the problem?
[03:26] <ray_> jsl: i take it you dont know about repos
[03:26] <jack|ass> is ubotu a factoid bot?
[03:26] <jack|ass> !cairo?
[03:26] <ubotu> jack|ass: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:26] <ray_> apokryphos: he needs universe i think for beep
[03:26] <ompaul> !ubotu
[03:26] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:26] <jack|ass> ompaul: thanks
[03:26] <scoperesolution> I need help configuring my wireless pcmcia card
[03:26] <hardw1re> O_o
[03:26] <ompaul> jack|ass, it is :)
[03:26] <apokryphos> jsl: read the link above about adding repositories
[03:27] <jack|ass> ompaul: doesn't have the info i need, but oh well. :)
[03:27] <hardw1re> my cpu seems to show up wrong alot of the time...
[03:27] <ompaul> jack|ass, when you get it add it and then it will have it
[03:27] <hardw1re> (CPU): AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+: (Frequency): 1040.106MHz: (Cache): 512 KB: (Bogomips): 2061.65
[03:27] <apokryphos> nice
[03:27] <hardw1re> its showing it 800MHz slower for some reason :|
[03:27] <Pickle_Weasel> when i installed ubuntu, it used more than the 3 GB of free space i gave it somehow, so now i have a partition overlap, anyone know how to rectify this?
[03:27] <azahid> how can i edit PDF file?
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: no, it's correct
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: it's automatically slowed down because you're not yusing it
[03:27] <hardw1re> O_o
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's using less power and creating less head
[03:27] <_frank> hardw1re: thats because powernow slows it down when your'e not using it
[03:27] <hardw1re> ok....
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> heat
[03:28] <hardw1re> :o
[03:28] <jack|ass> ompaul: heh, i will if i can find it.  I'm trying another dist-upgrade.  hopefully all will be well this time around. :)
[03:28] <hardw1re> well thats gonna really effect the vapour phase cooling...
[03:28] <ompaul> !upgrade
[03:28] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: ?
[03:29] <ompaul> : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)  = yuk!!
[03:29] <hardw1re> well i have vapour phase cooling, in windows the cpu usually sits between -40 and -55 degree's C, if linux slows it down then even less heat meaning my cpu is gonna be even colder :f
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> windows would slow it down too
[03:30] <hardw1re> lol, nah windows is just slow fullstop lol
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> it just wouldn't tell you about it
[03:30] <durt> -55 C is very cold
[03:30] <hardw1re> www.extremeprometeia.com
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: have you overclocked the bejesus out of it?
[03:31] <hardw1re> no not yet, i keep forgetting to read thru the tutorial on overclocking amd64's
[03:31] <jayparadise> anyone have a /etc/apt/sources link?
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories
[03:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> yo, when anonymous users upload files to my vsftpd they come out with no read/write access for anyone but root.  Why's that and how do I change it?
[03:32] <hardw1re> hmm
[03:32] <CookdGryphon> beep-media player can u get it to play wma files? can u get rhythmbox to? i have mplayer and that plays wmas but it doesn't have a playlist editor or anything, you ahve to type in the name of each file u want to play, i can't set up the gui version for some reason
[03:32] <christian> so how come ubuntu doesn't want to join the new debian consortium?
[03:32] <jayparadise> thinanks HrdwrBoB
[03:32] <hardw1re> change the ownership
[03:32] <hardw1re> to an anonymous group or something
[03:32] <jhall> Is this where a nubi would get answers to some install questions?
[03:32] <hardw1re> of the main folder
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> CookdGryphon: gmplayer has a playlist
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> can't set it up?
[03:33] <avanspronsen> jhall: yes
[03:33] <jhall> getting errors
[03:33] <CookdGryphon> gmplayer won't run
[03:33] <CookdGryphon> it doesn't recognise the command
[03:33] <CookdGryphon> otherwise i would
[03:33] <nalioth> bfn
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> what I mean about vsftpd is that sure it has the group as ftp but its access bits are like rw-------
[03:33] <Bryan29556> anyone use upower to spice up your boot sequence?
[03:33] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: compiled it yourself?
[03:33] <avanspronsen> jhall: what errors are you getting?
[03:34] <CookdGryphon> yep
[03:34] <jayparadise> damn that link just tells how to let Synaptic update it for you is there a paste bin or something so i can just copy and paste?
[03:34] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know of any other internet shows that are like www.thebroken.org ?
[03:34] <CookdGryphon> and i included the --enable-gui option
[03:34] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: and you used the --with-gui option on the config?
[03:34] <Bryan29556> I did everything that the wiki said to do and it still has a black backgroud (doesn't use the pretty penguin jpeg)
[03:34] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: ah --enable-gui it is :)
[03:35] <jhall> when I try to launch add remove programs (and others) I get an error
[03:35] <jhall> it seems to be related to permissions
[03:35] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: any ideas about that then?
[03:35] <jhall> because I can run it as root
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> say, I installed firefox from source using "apt-get source --build mozilla-firefox".  Now when I open a link in another application, it tries to open a new profile of firefox, rather than just a new tab in the window that's open
[03:36] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: it won't lauch gmplayer at all?
[03:36] <hardw1re> anyone here experimented with logitech quickcam's on an x86_64?
[03:36] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: is it just not in a searched path or what?
[03:36] <CookdGryphon> it doesn't recognise the command
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> hardw1re: if you can figure out how to make those work tell me, I've got one too
[03:36] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: it should be
[03:36] <caldwell_> when i boot my amd64 box with the breezy 2.6.12 kernel i get a 'can't find libc.so.6' error.  in order to fix it, i have to mount the initrd.img, cp -a the contents, mv the libs from lib64 to lib, and mkcramfs a new initrd.  Is this a known issue?
[03:36] <geneo93> hehe
[03:36] <ep> never heard of www.thebroken.org
[03:36] <hardw1re> yeah i got a quickcam messenger, got the qc-usb-messenger.0.80 driver / installation
[03:36] <hardw1re> but having trouble getting to work
[03:37] <hardw1re> just doesnt find my camera
[03:37] <avanspronsen> jhall: what error message do you get?
[03:37] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: does it amke any difference that i compiled mplayer without the gui, then afterwards downloaded the skins n everything and recompiled it?
[03:37] <hardw1re> but it is listed in the lsusb with the 46d:80
[03:37] <DekaPink> I don't suppose anyone knows how to work pennmush? Or at least some tutorials to start me off, maybe... x)
[03:37] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: maybe you missed a dependency to get the gui to compile properly?
[03:37] <christian> my logitech camera uses the phylips driver i believe
[03:37] <jhall> hold on let me generate it again
[03:37] <hardw1re> tiglionabbit: if i get it working i'll probably post about it on the ubuntu forums
[03:38] <jhall> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
[03:38] <jhall>  Child terminated with 1 status
[03:38] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: there were no errors at the compile
[03:38] <CookdGryphon> and i could always download it but can't be bothered, i'm on a slow connection, not good thing for linux really
[03:38] <christian> hardwlre: if you lsmod | grep pwc
[03:38] <christian> does it show up?
[03:38] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: try to do a make uninstall first, maybe that'll help
[03:39] <caldwell_> also, any time i try to use a program that uses XVideo, it crashes X (X restarts back at the login screen).  This happens when I use either the 'ati' driver or the 'radeon' driver.  Any ideas?
[03:39] <hardw1re> nothing showed up
[03:39] <avanspronsen> jhall: what other apps give you this error message?
[03:39] <CookdGryphon> okay, ta
[03:39] <hardw1re> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:08f0 Logitech, Inc. <--- thats the camera tho
[03:39] <hardw1re> so its connected
[03:39] <jhall> synaptic package man
[03:40] <hardw1re> ive just reinstalled the system after making a major boo boo tryingto get qemu installed :| so i need to recompile the driver and give it another shot
[03:40] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: no go, i get an error 2 when i try and make uninstall
[03:40] <jhall> those are the only two I have tried so far
[03:41] <avanspronsen> jhall
[03:41] <jhall> I just finished installing
[03:41] <avanspronsen> jhall: what are you trying to install?
[03:41] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: then I realy don't know :/
[03:41] <Xappe> *really
[03:41] <jhall> I was only trying to browse the apps and see what is installed
[03:42] <avanspronsen> jhall: and you get the exact same message opening synaptic?
[03:42] <jhall> yuip
[03:42] <jhall> yes
[03:43] <hardw1re> christian: my router isnt configured for dcc chat
[03:43] <christian> oh okay
[03:43] <christian> hardw1re: what does your  dmesg show?
[03:43] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: thanks anyway, i'll try deleting everything and starting again
[03:44] <CookdGryphon> taht might work
[03:44] <helloyo> anyone here proficient at transcode? trying to get a video clip to certain constraints, but its taking up too much space, and i can't change the frame rate succesfully
[03:44] <hardw1re> alot of text :P
[03:44] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: hopefully yes
[03:44] <avanspronsen> jhall: from a terminal try: sudo apt-get check
[03:45] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: can't totem play wma if you use the mplayer codecs?
[03:45] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: or totem-xine
[03:45] <Fingolfinn> heys
[03:46] <CookdGryphon> does that have a playlist tho?
[03:46] <jhall> when I try to use sudo it says that I am not in the sudoers file.  Do you know how I can get in there?
[03:46] <CookdGryphon> cos i have like 4000 trakcs and i want them in some kind of ordr, i usually play them shuffled, all of em
[03:46] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: yes, I think so
[03:46] <christian> hardw1re: i suppose its using ohci_hcd?
[03:46] <caldwell_> anyone?
[03:47] <helloyo> can anyone help me with transcode?
[03:47] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: I use it for all my video files, but I don't think i've tested it with wma
[03:47] <hardw1re> i am totally unsure, i dont know what im suppose to be looking for int that dmesg :S - i know that the alsa conf detects the microphone thats built into the camera with no problems
[03:47] <ukato> has anyone by chance used linspire before
[03:47] <avanspronsen> jhall: are you logged in using the account you created when you install Ubuntu?
[03:47] <CookdGryphon> Xappe: okay, now when i configure mplayer --enable-gui, it says needs X11 support for GUI option
[03:47] <jhall> yes I am
[03:47] <CookdGryphon> which is odd as i was using it from X11,and was sure configure worked last time
[03:48] <apokryphos> jhall: and it says that *that* account cannot sudo?
[03:48] <CookdGryphon> do i need X11 dev pkgs or something?
[03:48] <christian> what version of the camera do you have/
[03:48] <jhall> yes
[03:48] <christian> ?
[03:48] <avanspronsen> jhall: have you previously set a root password
[03:48] <jhall> yes
[03:48] <Xappe> CookdGryphon: probably, check the readme
[03:48] <apokryphos> jhall: that is close to impossible, unless you edited the subdoers file
[03:48] <christian> what model number, is what i meant
[03:49] <apokryphos> jhall: anyhow, do visudo (as root), and add...... {username} ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:49] <robotgeek> damn...i suffered all these days from the windows interface. bb4win is making it a bit easier :)
[03:50] <hardw1re> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/GB/EN,CRID=2204,CONTENTID=5041
[03:50] <avanspronsen> jhall: using root you need to add yourself back to the sudoers file
[03:50] <hardw1re> christian: ^^ thats the url for it
[03:51] <webby`> Hi, I can't start up totem player. It says "failed to open video output. It may not be available. Please select another viddeo output in the Multemedia Systems selector"
[03:51] <webby`> How do I solve this problem?
[03:52] <Luna-Tick> Hello folks :)
[03:52] <webby`> Anyone?
[03:52] <Luna-Tick> How stable is Breezy atm?
[03:52] <hardw1re> trust me Luna-Tick dont bother
[03:52] <hardw1re> i already have
[03:52] <apokryphos> Luna-Tick: pretty stable
[03:53] <hardw1re> and i've gone back to hoary
[03:53] <apokryphos> heh
[03:53] <Luna-Tick> LOL
[03:53] <webby`> Breezy is pretty good
[03:53] <robotgeek> hardw1re: that bad?
[03:53] <avanspronsen> Luna-Tick: I am typing fro mit right now
[03:53] <hardw1re> it is yeah
[03:53] <apokryphos> Luna-Tick: though, I'm not using gnome
[03:53] <robotgeek> i have old hardware, so it should work fine!
[03:53] <durt> webby': go to system>preferences>multimedia preferences>videp
[03:53] <webby`> I can't get sound on hoary but got sound on breezy
[03:53] <Luna-Tick> :P:
[03:53] <hardw1re> but its just not optimised for games
[03:53] <webby`> Ok durt
[03:53] <LaserJock> I'm using Gnome in Breezy and it is going good right now
[03:53] <Luna-Tick> I was planning to just update the packages for Openoffice
[03:54] <christian> hardw1re: have you tried http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55482&highlight=quickcam+messenger
[03:54] <gaatmx> Anybody could see http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org ??
[03:54] <Luna-Tick> because the openoffice2 packages in Hoary are rubbish
[03:54] <hardw1re> webby`: might be the way hoary detects sound devices, you might have a usb device that it is loading before your sound card
[03:54] <webby`> Thanks! That works durt
[03:54] <Elsidox> hello
[03:54] <apokryphos> Luna-Tick: there's newer ones in Breezy, at least.
[03:54] <hardw1re> thats what i have had problems with, so i just added to the modules file to load my sound card 1st
[03:54] <Luna-Tick> would it could a problem if I just upgrade those and dependencies?
[03:54] <webby`> Maybe hardw1re
[03:54] <Elsidox> can someone tell me an easy way of extracting a file in the terminal?
[03:54] <durt> webby': you fixed it??
[03:54] <avanspronsen> Luna-Tick: what about backports?
[03:54] <webby`> Yes durt
[03:55] <webby`> It starts up now
[03:55] <durt> wow
[03:55] <webby`> lol
[03:55] <apokryphos> Luna-Tick: not really; there'd be problems; you'd more or less have breezy
[03:55] <avanspronsen> !backports
[03:55] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[03:55] <Elsidox> can anyone tell me how to extract a file in the terminal?
[03:55] <apokryphos> Elsidox: a tar?
[03:56] <Luna-Tick> I have backports installed
[03:56] <Luna-Tick> no dice
[03:56] <Elsidox> apokryphos a rar file
[03:56] <apokryphos> see packages.ubuntu.com for what Breezy has
[03:56] <apokryphos> Elsidox: rar x {something}.rar
[03:56] <Xappe> Elsidox: get unrar-nonfree from the repositories
[03:57] <Elsidox> apokryphos thanks
[03:57] <apokryphos> Elsidox: if you don't have it already, sudo aptitude install rar
[03:57] <Elsidox> Xappe im not in unbuntu
[03:57] <apokryphos> (or one of the other many rar packages)
[03:57] <Elsidox> im at a friend house
[03:57] <Elsidox> and he runs vector linux
[03:57] <Luna-Tick> Okay .. well I have removed the repository for breezy and cancelled my downloads
[03:58] <Xappe> Elsidox: well you can always get unrar from the rarlabs website
[03:59] <Luna-Tick> I'll go back to Windows and do it in there. At least I can just download a binary!
[03:59] <ukato> has anyone tried to uninstall linspire?
[04:00] <Luna-Tick> Does anyone know why Silc has never been put into the repositories?? I was using silc-gaim back on Mandrake years ago.
[04:02] <LaserJock> Luna-Tick: If you want the latest OpenOffice use http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=278350&postcount=245
[04:02] <CookdGryphon> Does anyone know when Openoffice.org 2 is coming out of beta?
[04:03] <Luna-Tick> Thank you!
[04:04] <Fingolfinn> hulloz
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> ugh
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> prboom ate my display.
[04:06] <Xappe> oh shit, it's 4 am already :/
[04:06] <Fingolfinn> my installation failed to install yaboot, says i need to boot manually. How is that accomplished?
[04:06] <Orborde> So I'm running 64-bit Ubuntu and, while Firefox works, no plugins work. Argh!
[04:07] <Fingolfinn> i know how to get the boot prompt, but don't have a very good idea of what to type in
[04:07] <awb4422> I manually removed /etc/apache2 once i apt-get remove apache2, and when I reinstalled, the /etc/apace2 directory is no longer. is there a way to get this back?
[04:08] <cafuego> Orborde: yeah, complain to Macromedia and/or sun.
[04:08] <Milk> Good evening!
[04:08] <Fingolfinn> i'm running on an emac, and I installed ubuntu on an external firewire hardrive
[04:08] <cafuego> Orborde: Or run a 32bit chroot.
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ xvidtune
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> Warning: Color name "black" is not defined
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> Please install the program before using
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> OK i need a way to actually set my resolution back to normal >:|
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> without logging out and logging back in >:|
[04:09] <Milk> I was wondering if anyone could guide me through setting up a dual-head card (radeon)
[04:09] <Orborde> cafuego, How do I do that?
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> oh, got it.
[04:09] <cafuego> Orborde: I expect the wiki has a page on that http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <Milk> has anyone in here done a dual head configuration?
[04:11] <Mez> !CoC
[04:11] <ubotu> it has been said that coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> oh god this sucks cock.
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> prboom freezes and then screws up X and it takes fiddling to get it working again.
[04:12] <hardw1re> wheres the system log located?
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> lxdoom has no sound
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: /var/log/syslog
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> and the other doomlegacy thing just
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> plain
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> doesn't work.
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> hardw1re: depends on what you want
[04:14] <hardw1re> yeah found it, wicked i believe my quickcam is installed now
[04:14] <hardw1re> ug 23 03:12:35 localhost kernel: quickcam: QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam Messenger/Communicate USB $Date: 2004/12/30 10:00:00 $)
[04:14] <hardw1re> :D
[04:14] <xulMunkee> hardw1re, what programs do you use a webcam for?
[04:15] <Fingolfinn> How complicated is it to get ubuntu to boot from my external hardrive if i need to boot manually, what do i need to know?
[04:15] <hardw1re> well, on windows i use it on msn
[04:15] <hardw1re> it works :D:D:D:D:D:D im so happy :D
[04:16] <no-dx> argh
[04:16] <no-dx> i need a pointer or a url on setting up simple smtp/pop3
[04:16] <no-dx> it seems like theres nothing online at all
[04:16] <Fingolfinn> it's like use the /boot/vmlinux kernel   on the partition /dev/sda3   and root=/dev/sda3 passed as kernel argument
[04:16] <no-dx> yet this task is practically automated on every other distro
[04:17] <hardw1re> xulMunkee: just a shame there isnt a working version of gaim-w that supports webcam output :(
[04:17] <hardw1re> and the cvs of aMSN that does cant seem to get TcK images thingy working :|
[04:17] <Fingolfinn> could somebody please try and help me?
[04:18] <Milk> I was wondering if anyone could guide me through setting up a dual-head card (radeon)
[04:19] <Fingolfinn> arg patience isn't a virtue, it's a death sentence
[04:19] <hardw1re> is gnome meeting compatible with net meeting?
[04:19] <chibi_killstick> yo, i've got a problem...i forgot my admin password
[04:20] <chibi_killstick> is there a way to retrieve it/change it?
[04:20] <Milk> chibi - reinstall
[04:20] <alek> in ubuntu??
[04:20] <chibi_killstick> Milk: seriously? that's all i can do?
[04:20] <jasoncohen> Milk, so you want to setup two monitors in xinerama mode?
[04:21] <Milk> jasoncohen, yes, 2 monitors, 1 big desktop
[04:21] <Milk> radeon
[04:21] <EasterSunshine> hello everyone! i am having a problem with a mounted smbfs, when the smb server goes offline, the mounted fs messes up, it cannot be unmounted anymore, and it slows down my comp when i want to visit that directory
[04:21] <chibi_killstick> might anyone know a way i could hack into the system and get my admin password?
[04:22] <jasoncohen> Milk, run fglrxconfig and choose the big desktop setting...it should be quite easy to do. make sure you know your monitor specs
[04:22] <EasterSunshine> chibi_killstick: if you could do that, linux wouldn't be secure, and linux is pretty damn secure
[04:22] <kevin__> where can i get a decoder to play some movie files?
[04:22] <kevin__> they are .swf files
[04:22] <chibi_killstick> ...sigh...
[04:22] <Kyral> !flash
[04:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:22] <chibi_killstick> right, here goes for a new install...
[04:22] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: swf aren't movie files, they are flash files
[04:22] <chibi_killstick> exit
[04:22] <shadeofgrey> hi everybody
[04:22] <jasoncohen> chibi_killstick, you don't know your user's password?
[04:22] <Milk> jasoncohen, do I need to download/apt-get a driver first?
[04:22] <kevin__> ok.. how do i play them?
[04:23] <shadeofgrey> is there a way to install mozilla's filezilla application with apt-get?
[04:23] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: you may need macromedia's standalone player running on wine
[04:23] <jasoncohen> Milk, you'll need to use the fglrx driver
[04:23] <kevin__> Aw man..
[04:23] <Kyral> ubotu tell kevin__ about flash
[04:23] <kevin__> i know what flash is smart ass.
[04:23] <Kyral> ....
[04:23] <Kyral> what?
[04:23] <Milk> does the fglrx support the radeon 7000?
[04:23] <Kyral> Did that just backfire?
[04:23] <Milk> any idea?
[04:23] <jasoncohen> Milk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:23] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: or you can throw it into an html with the proper tags and view it on your web browser
[04:23] <Kyral> he quit
[04:24] <EasterSunshine> hmm...that's sad cause my second solution was a hell lot better...
[04:24] <Kyral> did I just do something wrong?
[04:24] <jasoncohen> Milk, it supports most radeons. i'm not sure if it supports one that old. i have a 9700 pro
[04:24] <jasoncohen> Milk, check out ati's site
[04:24] <Milk> we will see
[04:24] <Milk> thats why I have a backup of xorg.conf
[04:24] <Milk> hehe
[04:25] <jasoncohen> you should always do a backup of xorg.conf first
[04:25] <Milk> hehe
[04:25] <Milk> yep
[04:25] <Milk> I'm installing the drivers now
[04:25] <shadeofgrey> nobody uses filezilla on ubuntu systems?
[04:25] <Jet22k5> Hello guys, I just got done building a computer
[04:25] <shadeofgrey> i cant imagine life without filezilla
[04:25] <EasterSunshine> shadeofgrey: check the repos...if its not there, then feel free to build a deb for us
[04:25] <hardw1re> tiglionabbit: i got the webcam working mate
[04:25] <Jet22k5> and I can't seem to install Linux on it,
[04:25] <Jet22k5> Ubuntu rather, it freezes my keyboard
[04:26] <Jet22k5> and I can't get past the " Choose your Language " is there a work around?
[04:26] <shadeofgrey> yeah.  download the latest iso and reburn the install disc..  yourss is messed up
[04:26] <Jet22k5> errr
[04:26] <timl_> or before you do that, run the install in expert mode and choose the menu option which lets you check the disk integrity
[04:26] <shadeofgrey> easter:  where is the repos.list file again?
[04:27] <Jet22k5> It is the ones I got from ubuntu
[04:27] <Jet22k5> like the ones that they ship
[04:27] <EasterSunshine> shadeofgrey: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <timl_> Jet22k5: right, but it might be a bad burn, or damaged, or something, so the integrity checker will tell you that
[04:27] <EasterSunshine> shadeofgrey: filezilla isn't in my set of repos...maybe some other ones may have it
[04:27] <timl_> if it passes the test you can rule out the CD itself and look to other solutions
[04:27] <Jet22k5> ok
[04:27] <Jet22k5> so I'm booting up right now
[04:28] <timl_> so at the first prompt you get, type "expert"
[04:28] <Milk> brb
[04:28] <Jet22k5> ok I hit advance
[04:28] <Jet22k5> hmm I don't see an integrity check
[04:29] <EasterSunshine> i am looking for a way to unmount a smbfs immediately when the smbfs server goes down so it doesn't lock up...anyone?
[04:29] <timl_> Jet22k5: "hit advance" ?
[04:29] <Jet22k5> nope nvm that froze
[04:29] <tiglionabbit> hardw1re: you did?  How?
[04:29] <Jet22k5> nvm it is back
[04:29] <shadeofgrey> whats the extras repo again?
[04:29] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell shadeofgrey about repos
[04:30] <apokryphos> !hoary-extras
[04:30] <ubotu> somebody said hoary-extras was see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:30] <kevin__> what is the flash player thats stand alone?
[04:30] <kevin__> is it on the website?
[04:30] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: i think the standalone player only comes with flash 5, 6, and 7 (mx?)
[04:30] <tiglionabbit> there is no stand alone flash player.  You can emulate the windows one
[04:30] <kevin__> Grr..
[04:30] <kevin__> How do i emulate it
[04:30] <kevin__> i got wine
[04:30] <hardw1re> ok
[04:30] <kevin__> where do i get the flash player?
[04:31] <tiglionabbit> run it in wine
[04:31] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: i had posted a second solution to your problem but you left the chan before, let me repeat it
[04:31] <kevin__> Ok..
[04:31] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: or you can throw it into an html with the proper tags and view it on your web browser
[04:31] <Jet22k5> nothing there guys ... :(
[04:31] <Milk> ok...
[04:31] <hardw1re> tiglionabbit: you need to read the _README_MESSENGER - its extremely straightforward!
[04:31] <kevin__> so in order to play this flash i need the actual flash program?
[04:31] <kevin__> correct?
[04:31] <Milk> the driver is installed, ran through fglrxconfig, set for big display, still cloning
[04:31] <sorush21> im trying to run a configureation of a source and I don't know how to add two enable commands to the same line can someone help.. is this right $# ./configure --enable-mad &&gui
[04:31] <tiglionabbit> hardw1re: where?
[04:31] <hardw1re> http://home.mag.cx/messenger/
[04:32] <sorush21> how can I change form the gnome display manager to the kde displayer manager..
[04:32] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: you can play it with only flash-player-mozilla or something like that...that will play it from an html
[04:32] <jsubl2> sorush21: sudo  dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:33] <EasterSunshine> kevin__: macromedia full flash suite includes a standalone player so you can avoid that trouble
[04:33] <sorush21> thanks jsubl2
[04:33] <scrofula> anybody have experience configuring squirrelmail?
[04:33] <kevin__> full flash suit cost money right?
[04:33] <hardw1re> tiglionabbit: in the qc-usb-messenger-0.8 dir just type make install, then modprobe videodev, then sudo modprobe quickcam
[04:33] <TylerE> I'm running into an installation issue. System is setup as follows. 1 IDE hd, with a 100gb /boot, 5g /, 5g swap, rest LVM, and 2nd SATA drive, all LVM
[04:33] <TylerE> so far so good
[04:33] <TylerE> install from disk went fine
[04:34] <TylerE> when I went to boot for the first time, lvm wouldn't mount the volume, the boot fails
[04:34] <TylerE> I'm using the system now
[04:34] <sorush21> jsubl2: it didn't work I get this error.  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail]  invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[04:34] <TylerE> I was able to manually pvscan, vgscan, vgchange -y a and mount /usr
[04:34] <TylerE> which is what's in the volume group
[04:34] <Milk> jasoncohen, It didn't work
[04:34] <TylerE> but the postinstall stuff is all screwed
[04:34] <TylerE> basically I want to just start over
[04:34] <Milk> still only a single monitor with second one cloned
[04:35] <sorush21> how can I enable two commands with the ./configure..
[04:35] <TylerE> but I need to know what I need to do to get the LVM stuff to work.
[04:35] <TylerE> Basically it seems to be trying to load LVM *before* it pulls the sata drive in
[04:35] <TylerE> I'm not quite sure though
[04:35] <kyle_> hello everyone
[04:35] <pw--> is there any way i can get root rights outside of a terminal?
[04:36] <wickedpuppy> pw--, you can open a program by sudo option
[04:36] <wickedpuppy> for example sudo k3b ...
[04:36] <pw--> i know that, but i need to drop file A into folder B
[04:36] <pw--> and it says i don't have the rights to access that folder
[04:36] <wickedpuppy> then why not just use cp ?
[04:36] <pw--> cp?
[04:36] <wickedpuppy> sudo cp
[04:37] <pw--> what does that do?
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> copy ...
[04:37] <pw--> -_-
[04:37] <CookdGryphon> lol
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> eh ah .. you know the terminal commands right ?
[04:37] <pw--> i've been looking for that command..
[04:37] <scrofula> pw--: sudo cp file1 file2
[04:37] <pw--> wickedpuppy, i'm learning a lot every day
[04:37] <kyle_> pw: try "sudo nautilus"
[04:37] <scrofula> file1 in the original file, file2 is the destination
[04:37] <Milk> can anyone help me with seting up a dual head card?
[04:37] <CookdGryphon> or u could sudo start up ure filemanager
[04:38] <Xappe> running nautilus as root seems dangerous to me
[04:38] <wickedpuppy> agreed
[04:38] <CookdGryphon> like that
[04:38] <CookdGryphon> lol
[04:38] <kyle_> pw: open two windows like that, then browse to the two folders you want to drag/drop from/to.
[04:38] <TylerE> anyone have any ideas for me at all?
[04:38] <robotgeek> Milk: which laptop?
[04:38] <Milk> not a laptop
[04:38] <pw--> ok, thanks all ^.^
[04:38] <Milk> radeon dual head card
[04:38] <scrofula> pw--: you should "man cp"
[04:38] <robotgeek> sorry, not much experience there
[04:39] <Milk> hey.. you can only do what you can:)
[04:39] <Milk> anyone else have experiance with dual-head setups?
[04:39] <scrofula> pw--: also, "mv" is similar, but it moves files (deletes the old one.)
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> scrofula, he left
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> milk ... there are sites on the net ... i seen one for nvidia ..
[04:39] <scrofula> wickedpuppy: duh, I just saw that.
[04:39] <TylerE> scrofula: Not true at all. It just changes directory info. (Unless it's between drives, in which case it basically is a cp; rm)
[04:39] <Milk> yea.. nvidia has software for it...
[04:39] <Milk> ATI doesn't.. not relaly
[04:40] <TylerE> scrofula: it sounds like a minor point, but when dealing with large files, it's a VERY important distinction
[04:40] <kyle_> Tyler: what was your question?
[04:40] <TylerE> kyle_: I'm trying to get sata, lvm, and the post-install conf to play nice
[04:41] <kyle_> I don't think I can help you there. :)
[04:41] <TylerE> kyle_: basically /etc/init.d/lvm dies during boot, saying it can't find one of the drives, but if I go to the console and manually do the commands to mount the vg, it works fine. but then no post-install conf
[04:42] <sneezymarble> New to linux...It seems that Linux does not have any 3D support?...I downloaded and installed the nvidia-glx drivers with Synaptic and logged out and then back in again, but there seems to be absolutely no noticable performance gain.  i.e. the 3d screensavers are still a slideshow?...
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> sneezymarble, what is your glxgears fps ?
[04:43] <hardw1re> sneezymarble: have you edited the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:43] <hardw1re> and changed the driver for the graphics card from "nv" to "nvidia" ?
[04:43] <Milk> hrm... let me be more specific... can anyone help with an ATI Radeon dual head setup
[04:44] <CookdGryphon> and removed the lines load "dri" n replaced with load "glx"
[04:44] <CookdGryphon> oh and remove load "GLcore" too
[04:44] <sneezymarble> No, I havn't done that.  I'll check glxgears real quick....
[04:44] <LaserJock> to start with you can also do "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:44] <wickedpuppy> its all in readme ...
[04:46] <kyle_> I have a question (if anyone can help). "855resolution" is in the ubuntu universe here: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/8/855resolution/ . However, I can't find it with apt-get (even though us.archive.ubuntu.com is in my sources.list). Shouldn't everything in the pool be available from the source?
[04:46] <CookdGryphon> erm, help! i am compiling mplayer from source, do't ask y, jsut accept it, lol, and i have set the enable gui option but it says it needs the XFree86 dev files to run.. which packages do i need? cos i looked on synaptic for XFree86-dev or something and couldn't' find anything
[04:47] <sneezymarble> I'm getting about 18 Fps in "Gears".  This system has a Geforce6800GT in it?...
[04:48] <LaserJock> sneezymarble: do "nividia-glx-config enable" in a terminal
[04:49] <sneezymarble> It tells me X needs to be restarted.  How do I do that?
[04:49] <MaDsKiLLz> hmm
[04:49] <MaDsKiLLz> is there java support in breezy?
[04:49] <LaserJock> log out and hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[04:49] <robotgeek> sneezymarble: you would probably have to close all windows!
[04:49] <CookdGryphon> sneezymarble: ctrl+alt+backsp
[04:50] <robotgeek> :)
[04:50] <MaDsKiLLz> atm i cant find a jr2 package
[04:50] <MaDsKiLLz> jre*
[04:50] <pskalumet> I'm trying to do a full system backup; I tried doing a simple tar command to backup to an external USB drive, but my computer shuts off partway through, and I don't think it finishes because the archive appears to be too small..any help?
[04:50] <wickedpuppy> sneezymarble, FYI i get 3500 fps in glxgears
[04:50] <sneezymarble> I tried that the other day and my screen went black and I couldnt get it back?
[04:50] <wickedpuppy> mine is Fx5500
[04:50] <CookdGryphon> go to www.java.com n download the the self extracting file from there MaDsKiLLz
[04:50] <LaserJock> MaDsKiLLz: I think that I used the jre package from Hoary backports
[04:50] <durt> madskillz: google hoary extras
[04:50] <MaDsKiLLz> k
[04:50] <LaserJock> It's probably not the best way to do it but it works
[04:51] <MaDsKiLLz> yea i guess
[04:51] <CookdGryphon> sneezymarble: press ctrl alt + f1 in that case, log in and type startx
[04:51] <Luna-Tick> Hello again everyone :)
[04:51] <jsubl2> !hoary-extras
[04:51] <ubotu> I guess hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:51] <hardw1re> ok, i just installed a new version of glib, the 2.8, how do i remove the 2.6 version &/or edit the library path? :S
[04:51] <sneezymarble> ok i'll give it a try
[04:51] <MaDsKiLLz> how does apt handle things where i have two conflicting packages
[04:51] <MaDsKiLLz> like if i have hoary and breezy apt mirrors installed
[04:52] <MaDsKiLLz> (please forgive me im new to ubuntu im usually a gentoo user ;p)
[04:52] <Luna-Tick> I believe that it uses the highest version number
[04:53] <kyle_> mad: Probably will take the newest version of every package. However, it's not a good idea to have both mirrors installed because sometimes there are incompatibilities.
[04:53] <Luna-Tick> So it will use the Breezy packages
[04:53] <wickedpuppy> MaDsKiLLz, after using gentoo you should find ubuntu a breeze
[04:54] <kyle_> heh, yeah. Why do you even bother asking after using gentoo? Who cares what will happen? Let it crash and burn, baby. ;)
[04:54] <Luna-Tick> Does anyone here know anything about Gaim
[04:54] <jtan325> Luna-Tick, what do you want to know?
[04:54] <Luna-Tick> esp Gaim with Silc?
[04:54] <jtan325> sorry, never heard of Silc
[04:54] <blaylock> anybody here play call of duty on ps2?
[04:54] <Milk> hrm... let me be more specific... can anyone help with an ATI Radeon dual head setup
[04:55] <wickedpuppy> Milk, i guess no ... i see you asking this a few times already ...
[04:55] <scrofula> Milk: I wish I could help you.
[04:55] <Luna-Tick> Thanks anyway Jtan... Silc is the secure protocol of choice for anyone paranoid ;)
[04:55] <Milk> I'm hoping I will catch someone new
[04:55] <Milk> hehe
[04:55] <Milk> :)
[04:55] <pskalumet> sorry, don't mean to bug folks again, but does anyone have a good way to do a full system backup? I tried the tar command as outlined in the forums, but my computer shuts off partway through..thanks in advance :)
[04:56] <ero-senni> I would like to create a program for gnome, I am looking for a Compiler, I would perfer something like microsoft visual studio but for linux?
[04:56] <ero-senni> is there a such thing?
[04:56] <kyle_> psk: boot the live cd, then use the tar command on the nonrunning OS.
[04:56] <wickedpuppy> ero-senni, try emacs ... :P
[04:56] <ero-senni> will do!
[04:56] <jtan325> yay emacs
[04:56] <Luna-Tick> ero - I heard something about kdevelop or something
[04:56] <Ex-Cyber> how can I stop DHCP from overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf?
[04:56] <durt> ero-senni: you mean and ide?
[04:56] <kyle_> so is anyone here very knowledgable about respositories?
[04:57] <hyphenated> ero-senni: have a look at the way other gnome programs are developed
[04:57] <ero-senni> yea an ide
[04:57] <jtan325> ero-senni, i think you should try
[04:57] <jtan325> anjuta
[04:57] <jtan325> or kdevelop
[04:57] <wickedpuppy> oh anjuta for you
[04:57] <wickedpuppy> yup
[04:57] <devilx> Hi
[04:57] <jtan325> they're no where near as awesome as eclipse
[04:57] <durt> scite is all-around good
[04:57] <jtan325> but they're faster
[04:57] <ero-senni> im gonna create a unrar frontend
[04:57] <ero-senni> unrar-non free
[04:57] <ero-senni> :-
[04:57] <devilx> Can someone please give me a ubuntu deb with python2.3-glade2?
[04:57] <devilx> eh, I mean, python2.4
[04:58] <wickedpuppy> devilx, it should be in synaptic
[04:58] <devilx> wickedpuppy, I'm using debian
[04:58] <devilx> I need the deb.
[04:58] <Milk> is there a graphical FTP client for ubuntu?
[04:58] <wickedpuppy> ubuntu uses deb too
[04:58] <ero-senni> gfp
[04:58] <ero-senni> gftp
[04:58] <Milk> thanks
[04:58] <Luna-Tick> Milk: click places > Connect to server
[04:58] <devilx> wickedpuppy, I know, but I don't want to mix my sources. Can you please give me a http download?
[04:59] <Milk> fantastic luna!
[04:59] <Luna-Tick> np :)
[04:59] <wickedpuppy> you want us to do a search in google and give you back ?
[04:59] <devilx> wickedpuppy, I searched myself, hardly found python2.4-gtk2 but didn't find python2.4-glade2.
[05:00] <devilx> I spent now 59 minutes with searching
[05:00] <devilx> also I searched on archive.ubuntu.org
[05:00] <Luna-Tick> Just to have my general rant, and please feel free to comment, I don't get it; silc support has been part of the standard Gaim package since 0.79 but it isn't in the Ubuntu version. But because it is a part of the main version, not a plugin, it isn't available like that either :(. Growl...
[05:00] <kyle_> luna: why do you have to use the ubuntu version?
[05:01] <durt> devilx: this? http://packages.debian.org/stable/python/python-glade2
[05:01] <Luna-Tick> Because there isn't a deb
[05:01] <Fingolfinn> what precious sequence must i type in at boot prompt to get ubuntu to boot?
[05:01] <Luna-Tick> LOL
[05:01] <devilx> durt, nope. python2.4-glade2
[05:01] <Milk> have you tried just enter Fingolfinn.. for default?
[05:01] <Fingolfinn> help us obi-wan, you're our only hope
[05:01] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with something
[05:01] <wickedpuppy> you sure there i 2.4-glade2 ?
[05:01] <scrofula> regeya: squirrelmail -- I understand that to build it from source, I'd unpack the tarball in e.g. /var/www (on my system, the DocumentRoot is actually /home/foo/public_html, but you get the idea.) However, I just installed it using apt-get, and it put files in /etc/squirrelmail and /usr/share/squirrelmail but none in my DocumentRoot. What am I to do -- make a symlink or something?
[05:01] <Fingolfinn> that's not my conundrum unfortunately milk
[05:01] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with a video problem i have
[05:02] <Milk> what is Fingo?
[05:02] <Luna-Tick> We'll try p8nt.
[05:02] <nickrud> devilx, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/python/python2.4-glade2
[05:02] <wickedpuppy> there is ...
[05:02] <Fingolfinn> see, it's an external hardrive, and it's telling me "fuck you, I won't boot"
[05:02] <devilx> wickedpuppy, yes
[05:02] <scrofula> oops, s/regeya/regarding
[05:02] <devilx> nickrud, thanks a lot!
[05:02] <Fingolfinn> unless i boot it manually
[05:02] <wickedpuppy> nickrud, got it for ya :P
[05:02] <Fingolfinn> ... somehow
[05:02] <P8ntKid> Ok, i have an IBM A30 laptop. Everything boots good, xserver boots. But, te screen looks alll weird.
[05:02] <Milk> not really descriptive...
[05:02] <Milk> what error is it giving you?
[05:02] <Fingolfinn> ... with a magical sequence of characters
[05:03] <P8ntKid> Its not giving me an error though
[05:03] <Fingolfinn> oh yaboot failed to install
[05:03] <Fingolfinn> you must boot manually
[05:03] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: yaboot -- this is on PPC?
[05:03] <Milk> and it gives you a boot:
[05:03] <Luna-Tick> How is it weird, p8nt?
[05:03] <Fingolfinn> yes
[05:03] <Fingolfinn> PPC
[05:03] <P8ntKid> Like, all the windows arent showing right, they all are blurred out by other windows.
[05:04] <Fingolfinn> get some windex
[05:04] <Fingolfinn> and a squeegee
[05:04] <Fingolfinn> :D
[05:04] <P8ntKid> Its hard to explain. Like, The gnomer aplications bar doesn show up till i like click on it. Just things like that.
[05:04] <P8ntKid> Gnome*
[05:04] <Ex-Cyber> how is dhclient invoked in hoary?
[05:05] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: hmm. If yaboot did not install you might want to boot off the liveCD
[05:05] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: and poke around to see how you can get yaboot on there
[05:05] <no-dx> i need a pointer or a url on setting up simple smtp/pop3
[05:05] <no-dx> it seems like theres nothing online at all
[05:05] <robotgeek> Fingolfinn: does mac support booting from usb, i think yes ?
[05:05] <no-dx> yet this task is practically automated on every other distro
[05:05] <Fingolfinn> I'm not sure
[05:05] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: but one thing's for sure, you can't boot without a bootloader.
[05:05] <Fingolfinn> I know it supports booting from firewire
[05:05] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help?
[05:06] <Ex-Cyber> it doesn't seem to be in any of the init scripts
[05:06] <Fingolfinn> so can i find this bootloader at a payless shoe store?
[05:06] <kyle_> ex: did you read the init scripts? possibly "networking"?
[05:06] <windex> Fingolfinn, i thought someone wanted me. :( my life, it's all a lie!
[05:06] <jasoncohen> no-dx, you want to crate an smtp/pop3 server or you want to check your mail?
[05:06] <Fingolfinn> lol
[05:06] <Fingolfinn> poor windex
[05:06] <hardw1re> does anyone know how to install TkCximage for the aMSN cvs?
[05:06] <no-dx> smtp/pop3 server
[05:06] <no-dx> for my domain
[05:06] <P8ntKid> Gawd.
[05:06] <Luna-Tick> Sorry - p8nt - I've never seen that
[05:06] <Fingolfinn> *pats windex*
[05:06] <Milk> anyone up to helping me get my XP box to see a printer here on my ubuntu box?
[05:06] <no-dx> a task easy on slackware or anything non gentoo/bsd
[05:07] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: no, no! yaboot is your bootloader, it's a lot like lilo or grub
[05:07] <no-dx> milk... look at cups
[05:07] <P8ntKid> Well, i have fluxbox installed, i just dont know how to run it.
[05:07] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: no, no! yaboot = "Yet Another BOOTloader"
[05:07] <jasoncohen> no-dx, well, you can use postfix or exim. there are howtos online
[05:07] <Milk> no-dx, I've checked out cups, and samba, configured in webmin.. but I'm not working right somwhere
[05:07] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: yaboot is the one for PPC.
[05:08] <durt> milk, you might need to install the UNIX printing utilities on your XP machine from the CD
[05:08] <no-dx> there are no howtos for postfix and ubuntu
[05:08] <Fingolfinn> there are some rather tricky instructions on how to boot on an external firewire hardrive
[05:08] <jasoncohen> Milk, you'll want to share the printer with CUPS on windows and then add
[05:08] <no-dx> or exim
[05:08] <no-dx> and postfix is just an MTA
[05:08] <Jsl> How do i like kill  a program?
[05:08] <Jsl> It crashed....
[05:08] <robotgeek> Fingolfinn: did yaboot not bless your hdd with linux pee?
[05:08] <P8ntKid> Does anybody know how to run fluxbox? I just installed it but i forgot how to run it :(
[05:08] <no-dx> ps -aux, kill -9 *
[05:08] <Fingolfinn> hmmmmm
[05:08] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: sorry about the double no-nos above
[05:08] <Luna-Tick> jsl
[05:08] <Milk> you lost me there jasoncohen
[05:08] <jasoncohen> *and then enable "detect LAN printers" in System > Administration > printing
[05:08] <robotgeek> P8ntKid: man fluxbox
[05:08] <Fingolfinn> no worries
[05:08] <Luna-Tick> jsl: apps > system > System monitor
[05:09] <Fingolfinn> It smells like i'm up shit creek without a paddle
[05:09] <Jsl> XMMS keeps crashing...
[05:09] <no-dx> ...
[05:09] <camus_> i can post in pt-br?
[05:09] <Milk> jasoncohen I think you have it backwards, the printer is attached to the ubuntu machine.. I want to print FROM the xp box
[05:09] <Jsl> I need a good mp3 player that is'nt so messed up.
[05:09] <no-dx> beep mediaplayer
[05:09] <p1astik> i have sound in ubuntu GUI but when i try to play mp3s from my NTFS drive, it plays but there's no sound
[05:09] <jasoncohen> no-dx, you don't have to find one for ubuntu. anything for debian will be nearly identical on ubuntu if not identical
[05:10] <no-dx> plastik.. beep media player
[05:10] <scrofula> P8ntKid My favorite way to pick a WM is to kill the desktop manager (GDM, KDM, what have you) and type "startx" from the command line. That way, you specify your window manager in the .xsession file. Fluxbox is nice.
[05:10] <camus_> algum usurio pt-br a?
[05:10] <jasoncohen> no-dx, and i know there are howtos for debian for exim for smtp & pop
[05:10] <no-dx> jasoncohen.. yeh except ubuntu uses apt-get not emerge
[05:10] <no-dx> ...
[05:10] <kyle_> luna: when apt-get fetches the source lists (when you type "apt-get update") where does it fetch them to?
[05:10] <hardw1re> whats wrong with xmms?
[05:10] <Jsl> Crashing
[05:10] <jasoncohen> no-dx, i said debian- NOT gentoo
[05:10] <Fingolfinn> oh well
[05:10] <no-dx> kyle ... /etc/apt/....
[05:10] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: don't give up. You are trying to boot from an external USB drive -- is it called /dev/sda1 on your system?
[05:10] <jasoncohen> no-dx, ubuntu is based off of debian
[05:10] <Fingolfinn> i'm just gonna play the monkey game and just push a bunch of random buttons
[05:10] <durt> mine used to crash too... i forget how i fixed it...
[05:10] <no-dx> duh
[05:11] <Fingolfinn> sda3
[05:11] <Luna-Tick> kyle_: Why me :D?
[05:11] <Ex-Cyber> how can I find out which process launched a particular process?
[05:11] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: because you'll need to tell yaboot that it's trying to boot off /dev/sda1
[05:11] <Jsl> How do i get beep mediaplayer
[05:11] <kyle_> luna: because you seem like you might know what you're talking about. :)
[05:11] <Jsl> sudo apt-get beep mediaplayer
[05:11] <Jsl> ?
[05:12] <Luna-Tick> I can
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Milk, oh sorry. that's easy. you just have to add the printer in windows using the CUPS  URI
[05:12] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: Do you get a yaboot boot prompt, but then it doesn't find the kernel?
[05:12] <kyle_> no-dx: where in /etc/apt/ ? I don't see any such files in there.
[05:12] <no-dx> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:12] <Luna-Tick> assure you that I don't!... I'm having a look though,
[05:12] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: or just no boot prompt at all?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Milk, i.e "ipp://serverip:631/printers/PrinterName
[05:12] <no-dx>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:12] <Milk> jasoncohen, can you be a little more detailed
[05:12] <nickrud> kyle_, they go to /var/lib/apt/lists
[05:12] <Milk> that in windows?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Milk, for me that is "ipp://jasonsdesktop:631/printers/Stylus-C84"
[05:12] <kyle_> nick: thank you very much
[05:13] <Jsl> Is there like a list of stuff i can apt-get?
[05:13] <jasoncohen> Milk, you add the printer using the URI in xp
[05:13] <no-dx> google for ubuntu packages
[05:13] <Milk> URI?
[05:13] <Luna-Tick> jsl: are you in Ubuntu?
[05:13] <p1astik> Jsl: check your apt-cache or there's always synaptic
[05:13] <Jsl> Yes...
[05:13] <EasterSunshine> !info nautilus
[05:13] <ubotu> nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-0ubuntu9 (hoary), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2588 kB
[05:13] <Milk> !URI
[05:13] <ubotu> Milk: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:13] <Luna-Tick> System > Admin > Synaptic
[05:13] <kyle_> nick: I have another question about apt-get, can I ask you?
[05:14] <Fingolfinn> scrofula: i don't get anything, it boots into mac os x
[05:14] <bimberi> Milk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[05:14] <no-dx> anyways...
[05:14] <no-dx> simple pop3/smtp
[05:14] <no-dx> doesnt really exist under ubuntu does it?
[05:14] <RabidDog> Anyone awhere there is a problem this link on the support page on ubuntu site "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/"
[05:14] <RabidDog> And this one too
[05:14] <EasterSunshine> would nautilus be holding onto a mounted folder in such a way that i cannot unmount it?
[05:15] <wickedpuppy> no-dx, pop3 smtp server or client ?
[05:15] <RabidDog> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/Security
[05:15] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: have you looked for docs on installing a dual-boot system on Mac OSX? I have done it a zillion times on PC hardware, but it's different.
[05:15] <no-dx> server
[05:15] <RabidDog> which is the security page
[05:15] <Luna-Tick> What is the prob?
[05:15] <Fingolfinn> it has to be dual-
[05:15] <Fingolfinn> boot?
[05:15] <RabidDog> get key errors
[05:15] <Jsl> OMFG!!!!!
[05:15] <Fingolfinn> oh
[05:15] <Fingolfinn> okay
[05:15] <Jsl> So much stuff for ubuntu
[05:15] <Luna-Tick> yes jsl?
[05:15] <Jsl> in synaptic
[05:15] <Luna-Tick> LOL
[05:15] <Fingolfinn> so no matter what, i'm gonna be getting into some voodoo stuff
[05:15] <wickedpuppy> no-dx, have you tried sunaptic ?
[05:15] <wickedpuppy> synaptic
[05:16] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: it's not voodoo.
[05:16] <no-dx> its a server box with no gui
[05:16] <Jsl> synaptic has so much in it....
[05:16] <no-dx> hence "mail server"
[05:16] <Jsl> *Is scared of all the stuff to get*
[05:16] <no-dx> sorry
[05:16] <Fingolfinn> I don't believe in voodoo, i meant hardcore technical
[05:16] <no-dx> im just tired of people thinking they know what they are talking about
[05:16] <wickedpuppy> no-dx, i just search smtp and i got so much packages in it
[05:16] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: I'll explain in terms of a Windows dual-boot.
[05:16] <no-dx> i do have a ubuntu gnome box..
[05:17] <RabidDog> Anyone awhere there is a problem this link on the support page on ubuntu site "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/" and this one too "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/Security" Is the developers already awhere of it?
[05:17] <RabidDog> getting key errors
[05:17] <p1astik> i have a small problem in which i only have Esound able to work, but not ALSA. ideas?
[05:18] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: You'd defrag the drive, then repartition it so that there's a partition for Ubuntu in the free space on the HD. Then you'd install Ubuntu in the new partition and yaboot in the MBR.
[05:18] <Fingolfinn> yaboot installs on the smaller partition?
[05:18] <citrusfizz> when does the final release of breezy come out?
[05:19] <Luna-Tick> Citrus Oct
[05:19] <Luna-Tick> 17?
[05:19] <wickedpuppy> not smaller partition.. on MBR
[05:19] <Milk> jasoncohen, that didn't work
[05:19] <no-dx> simple pop3/smtp anyone?
[05:19] <Fingolfinn> whas MBR?
[05:19] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: it can't be that hard.
[05:19] <wickedpuppy> Master Boot Record
[05:19] <scrofula> MBR = Master Boot Record.
[05:19] <wickedpuppy> no-dx, have you searched in synaptic ?
[05:20] <Fingolfinn> woah
[05:20] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: that's where you want yaboot to live.
[05:20] <durt> question: why when i close my laptop lid, does the backlight stay on, but when i open it, it shuts off momentarily and then turns on again?
[05:20] <Fingolfinn> okay
[05:20] <no-dx> again wicked puppy... its a console server
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> sheesh
[05:20] <Fingolfinn> in related techy terms, whats the difference between a hardline and a softline?
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> no-dx there are damn lots of server packages in synaptic
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> choose one
[05:20] <syx> hi, quick question, whats the command that tells me what kernel version i am running ?
[05:21] <durt> syx: `uname -r`
[05:21] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: Then, when you turn the box on,yaboot will come up with a menu of different operating systems to boot. One will be Ubuntu, the other will be Mac OSX.
[05:21] <syx> thanks for that
[05:21] <Jsl> Question...
[05:21] <Fingolfinn> really...
[05:21] <Luna-Tick> ?
[05:21] <Jsl> Will kde stuff work on Gnome?
[05:21] <Fingolfinn> I have 11 operating systems to choose from
[05:21] <Luna-Tick> Jsl: yes
[05:21] <wickedpuppy> Jsl, yes ... i am running k3b now
[05:21] <Jsl> Good
[05:21] <wickedpuppy> 11 ? ...
[05:21] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: but if you don't install yaboot in your MBR, it will never offer you that choice.
[05:22] <Jsl> I saw so much kde stuff
[05:22] <Fingolfinn> yeah, i'm pretty sloppy
[05:22] <Luna-Tick> jsl: it just loads up extra stuff when you install  / run the programme
[05:22] <Fingolfinn> all mac OS's
[05:22] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: what do you mean?
[05:22] <Jsl> Used to use Kde back when i had mandrake...That stunk
[05:22] <wickedpuppy> you got 10 versions of mac OS ?
[05:22] <durt> jsl: you can install kde if you want
[05:22] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: eleven different versions of Mac OS?
[05:22] <Jsl> No
[05:22] <p1astik> i have a small problem in which i only have Esound able to work, but not ALSA. ideas?
[05:22] <Fingolfinn> 10.4.2, 10.3.8, 10.1.2, OS 9, OS 9, OS 9, OS 9, OS 9
[05:22] <Jsl> I like gnome
[05:23] <Jsl> Even though when i had Kde i liked it more than gnome
[05:23] <wickedpuppy> 5 OS 9 ?
[05:23] <Jsl> But like it now.
[05:23] <Fingolfinn> lol yeah
[05:23] <Luna-Tick> Anyway, people, I must be of. Have fun with all this
[05:23] <Fingolfinn> I've deleted a few
[05:23] <durt> plastik: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[05:23] <scrofula> Okay, when you see that list, is that in yaboot or your OSX login?
[05:23] <wickedpuppy> Fingolfinn, may i ask why you want to torture yourself ?
[05:23] <p1astik> durt: thanks
[05:23] <Fingolfinn> I'm prone to making things more complicated then they need to be
[05:23] <jayparadise> i wonder why the hell dns is failing after like 20 mins i restart the modem
[05:24] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: you'll know because if it's pretty, it's the OSX login, but if it's ugly it's yaboot.
[05:24] <jayparadise> is this a known problem"? i just installed ubuntu today
[05:24] <Fingolfinn> so i'm incredibly good at documenting code
[05:24] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: foul! non sequitur!
[05:24] <wickedpuppy> jayparadise, what errors you getting ?
[05:24] <jayparadise> can someone tell me an ip address for like google.com or something
[05:24] <viper> hi again
[05:24] <EasterSunshine> jayparadise: `host google.com`
[05:25] <jayparadise> well all web browsers fail and ping google.com does too
[05:25] <Fingolfinn> ouch that hurts man
[05:25] <viper> just to let u know: i got xmms to work
[05:25] <jayparadise> yea the ping nailed it
[05:25] <jayparadise> its dns
[05:25] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: I thought you were talking about a boot menu
[05:25] <wickedpuppy> jayparadise, 216.239.39.99
[05:25] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: do you remember that?
[05:25] <wickedpuppy> actually /dns google.com will do ... in irc
[05:25] <jayparadise> thanks least i can go to that ip now lol
[05:25] <Fingolfinn> sorry, i didn't mean to jog along your train of thought falsely
[05:25] <durt> viper: did you get your printer working?
[05:25] <jayparadise> i get a reply from it too
[05:25] <jayparadise> hm
[05:26] <Fingolfinn> I have a fear
[05:26] <Fingolfinn> That i'll need to know the firmware address of the boot drive
[05:26] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: so you say there's a list of eleven different Mac OS versions at boot time.
[05:26] <viper> durt: no :(
[05:26] <EasterSunshine> jayparadise: google.com is 216.239.x.99 for x in (37,39,57)
[05:26] <EasterSunshine> jayparadise: that should be commited to memory
[05:26] <Fingolfinn> yep
[05:26] <viper> durt: no driver for it, nothing close to it
[05:26] <Fingolfinn> some of them are duplicates
[05:26] <Fingolfinn> it's really of no consequence
[05:26] <regeya_> LOL - JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) has a LICENSE.
[05:27] <Fingolfinn> I think i'll just try a bit of stuff
[05:27] <viper> durt: buts its okay, ill just use xp to print
[05:27] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: what does that menu look like? I'm trying to determine if yaboot is installed, but just misconfigured
[05:27] <robotgeek> is it possible to network install ubuntu?
[05:27] <Fingolfinn> and if it doesn't work
[05:27] <jhall> Hello.  Can anyone help me with this problem.  I am new to LInux and I am opening "Application installer" and I get a spinning ball of death(Nothing loads)
[05:27] <Fingolfinn> mosey on back here
[05:27] <crimsun> robotgeek: absolutely
[05:27] <Spermie>  Im having a problem
[05:27] <EasterSunshine> jayparadise: and googles hosts all have different ips also, about three of them each
[05:27] <viper> durt: can u help me with something else?
[05:27] <robotgeek> crimsun: link please?
[05:27] <durt> viper: k - what?
[05:27] <crimsun> robotgeek: search the wiki for netboot
[05:27] <viper> setting up Wine
[05:27] <robotgeek> my friends cdrom is messed up..okay..thanks...will do
[05:27] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: what does it look like?
[05:27] <Fingolfinn> oh
[05:27] <Fingolfinn> menu
[05:27] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: the menu
[05:28] <Fingolfinn> I haven't gotten to any foreign looking menu
[05:28] <p1astik> durt: question about the link?
[05:28] <Fingolfinn> at startup time
[05:28] <Spermie> i have a ati in my laptop but the  ati fglrx drivers dont wanna work for me, anyway around this?
[05:28] <Milk> grr.. why won't it work!
[05:28] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: okay, so it's not yaboot.
[05:28] <Fingolfinn> it flat out told me yaboot failed to install
[05:28] <Fingolfinn> and to boot manually
[05:28] <smudo> !upgrade
[05:28] <ubotu> from memory, upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:28] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: yaboot is plain text on a black background.
[05:28] <Fingolfinn> I know how to get the boot prompt
[05:28] <Fingolfinn> but what do I type in!
[05:29] <psurani> guys, from where can i learn abt ubuntu totally ?? i mean where is documentation part of ubuntu located ?
[05:29] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: you can get to the boot prompt! great!
[05:29] <EasterSunshine> should we update ubotu to tell s/hoary/breezy instad?
[05:29] <durt> plastik: yes?
[05:29] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: read the yaboot docs online
[05:29] <Jsl> I [Insert Heart Icon Here]  Linux :p Ubuntu is so much better then Mandrake and has a Irc channel and forums for support and also is better in so many ways
[05:29] <smudo> EasterSunshine:  might be a good idea, or do update and bupdate or something like that
[05:29] <p1astik> durt: apparently i have to change the gstreamer properties....how do i go about that?
[05:29] <Fingolfinn> um okay, but not the boot prompt for yaboot
[05:29] <crimsun> Jsl: use "<3"
[05:29] <wickedpuppy> Jsl, mandrake also got irc channel ...
[05:29] <Fingolfinn> the boot prompt to prompt a boot prompt
[05:29] <Fingolfinn> lol
[05:29] <jayparadise> ok /etc/init.d/networking restart;ifconfig <ip> eth0; ifup <ip> eth0 is what i just did and that tellls me more about the issue
[05:30] <wickedpuppy> wait mandriva
[05:30] <Jsl> Never found it when i used it...
[05:30] <Jsl> Oh well
[05:30] <aru> Jsl: we pride ourselves on being normal people
[05:30] <viper> plastik: whats ur problem, just curius
[05:30] <jayparadise> it apperently isn't talking to my dhcp correctly, it gets the lease time screwed up
[05:30] <scrofula> Fingolfinn: hmm, i'm getting confused
[05:30] <aru> :)
[05:30] <Fingolfinn> okay i'm gonna go and try some shit
[05:30] <Fingolfinn> brb
[05:30] <p1astik> viper: i was able to play mp3s through Esound and not ALSA
[05:30] <jayparadise> so what dhcp client does ubuntu use as default?
[05:30] <EasterSunshine> !ubotu upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:30] <ubotu> okay, EasterSunshine
[05:30] <smudo> EasterSunshine:  Or if they're smart enough to use a beta version of the OS, they'll figure that part out.  =-)
[05:30] <Jsl> My sound aint working...
[05:30] <crimsun> jayparadise: dhclient
[05:30] <wickedpuppy> jayparadise, it uses dhclient
[05:30] <crimsun> Jsl: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:31] <durt> plastik: system>prefs>multimedia selector
[05:31] <wickedpuppy> not dhcpcd... unfortunately
[05:31] <Jsl> Um...
[05:31] <p1astik> durt: thanks
[05:31] <Jsl> In terminal?
[05:31] <aru> Jsl: do you have a sound when you start ubuntu?
[05:31] <crimsun> Jsl: yes
[05:31] <Jsl> No
[05:31] <viper> i get a message too
[05:31] <Jsl> Never had sound after switch from windows
[05:31] <Jsl> *Used to listen to music*
[05:31] <aru> Jsl: then your problem is beyond my reach :)
[05:31] <viper> i guess ALSA cant work with mp3's
[05:31] <durt> ok - so how many of you are having sound problems?
[05:31] <viper> try another format, see if it plays
[05:32] <Jsl> I had it before linux
[05:32] <wickedpuppy> not me
[05:32] <Jsl> But now it no working
[05:32] <crimsun> viper: ALSA has nothing to do with mp3s.
[05:32] <viper> crisun: okay
[05:32] <wickedpuppy> viper .. you got the codec right ?
[05:32] <durt> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[05:32] <EasterSunshine> the only problem i ever had with sound could be fixed by going into alsamixer
[05:32] <durt> alsaconf and alsamixer
[05:32] <dooglus> when I look in Network -> Windows Network, I don't see anything.  I think I must not have my "windows workgroup" set - any idea where I should set it?
[05:32] <viper> for mp3's?
[05:33] <wickedpuppy> yup
[05:33] <crimsun> viper: if you're using Music Player, make sure you have the 'gstreamer0.8-mad' package installed.
[05:33] <viper> yea
[05:33] <viper> im using xmms
[05:33] <crimsun> viper: are you using the default Ubuntu sound configuration?
[05:33] <crimsun> Jsl: (still waiting)
[05:33] <viper> yea
[05:34] <crimsun> viper: in XMMS's output plugin preferences, are you using Esound or OSS?
[05:34] <viper> eSound
[05:34] <Jsl> Crismun > 0 snd_intel8x0
[05:35] <hardw1re> finally got the cvs of aMSN to run
[05:35] <crimsun> Jsl: please use paste.ubuntulinux.nl to paste the output from amixer
[05:35] <viper> OSS makes xmms freeze for me
[05:35] <Spermie> i have a ati in my laptop but the  ati fglrx drivers dont wanna work for me, anyway around this?
[05:35] <Spermie> opps
[05:35] <reneroya_> anyone here have sound working in gxmame?
[05:35] <reneroya_> xmame works fine with esound
[05:35] <crimsun> viper: please install 'mpg321' and try playing an mp3
[05:35] <smudo> !upgrade
[05:35] <ubotu> somebody said upgrade was "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:35] <reneroya_> but gxmame um...doesnt
[05:35] <haja> Is there anyway to get my side mouse buttons to react as back/forward in Firefox?
[05:35] <Jsl> Umm...
[05:36] <Jsl> What do i type?
[05:36] <crimsun> Jsl: amixer
[05:36] <rsosborn> Hello
[05:36] <viper> crimsun: using OSS?
[05:36] <Jsl> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
[05:36] <Jsl>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
[05:36] <Jsl>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
[05:36] <Jsl>   Limits: Playback 0 - 63
[05:36] <Jsl>   Front Left: Playback 44 [70%]  [on] 
[05:36] <Jsl>   Front Right: Playback 44 [70%]  [on] 
[05:36] <rsosborn> I'm hoping someone can give me a little help
[05:36] <wickedpuppy> no no
[05:36] <Jsl> Simple mixer control 'Master Mono',0
[05:36] <wickedpuppy> don't paste here
[05:36] <Jsl>   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
[05:36] <Jsl>   Playback channels: Mono
[05:36] <Jsl>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[05:36] <wickedpuppy> heck
[05:36] <rsosborn> I'm using Azureus for some reason it will not connect anymore
[05:36] <Jsl>   Mono: Playback 0 [0%]  [off] 
[05:36] <Jsl> Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
[05:36] <durt> uh-oh
[05:36] <Jsl>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
[05:36] <rsosborn> I think maybe be something with port
[05:36] <Jsl>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
[05:37] <Jsl>   Limits: Playback 0 - 63
[05:37] <rsosborn> any ideas
[05:37] <Jsl>   Front Left: Playback 47 [75%]  [on] 
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> jsl ... STOP
[05:37] <Jsl>   Front Right: Playback 47 [75%]  [on] 
[05:37] <Jsl> Simple mixer control '3D Control - Center',0
[05:37] <Jsl>   Capabilities: volume volume-joined
[05:37] <Jsl>   Playback channels: Mono
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> oh boy
[05:37] <Jsl>   Limits: 0 - 15
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> thanks crimsun
[05:37] <viper> crimsun: install mpg321 and listen to a mp3 with OSS output?
[05:37] <crimsun> Jsl: please paste on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl as I asked. Thanks.
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> jsl pls paste in paste.ubuntulinux.nl and give us the url
[05:38] <viper> crimsun: are u gonna answer anytime today?
[05:38] <crimsun> viper: sec, please.
[05:38] <viper> k
[05:39] <crimsun> viper: by default, mpg321 uses libao's configuration, which defaults to esd
[05:39] <viper> whats esd?
[05:39] <dooglus> when I look in Network -> Windows Network, I don't see anything.  I think I must not have my "windows workgroup" set - any idea where I should set it?
[05:39] <jhall> can anyone help me with a nubie problem
[05:39] <crimsun> viper: "esound"
[05:39] <Jsl> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1526
[05:39] <viper> dooglus: check the guide
[05:40] <Jsl> Thats it
[05:40] <hardw1re> is there anyone here i can add to on msn so then i can test out aMSN's webcam support???
[05:40] <dooglus> viper: where's the guide?
[05:40] <smudo> jhall:  what's the problem?
[05:40] <viper> there is a place where it says change domain/workgroup
[05:40] <dooglus> viper: what is that place?
[05:40] <viper> google  ubuntu unofficail staters guide
[05:40] <crimsun> Jsl: please execute this in a Terminal: amixer sset 'Headphone' off
[05:40] <jhall> thank you.  I get a spinning ball when I open Add/Remove Programs.  Nothing loads
[05:40] <dooglus> viper: Your search - "ubuntu unofficail staters guide" - did not match any documents.
[05:41] <NoHope> hello all
[05:41] <pax> dooglus: what do you need the guide for?
[05:41] <viper> here u go
[05:41] <viper> http://ubuntuguide.org/#changecomputerdomainworkgroup
[05:41] <pestilence> !guide
[05:41] <cafuego> dooglus: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:41] <ubotu> it has been said that guide is Kubuntu Guide: http://kudos.berlios.de
[05:41] <pestilence> !ubuntuguide
[05:41] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[05:41] <dooglus> pax, I'm trying to see windows shares in ubuntu.  I see nothing.
[05:41] <dooglus> I'm wondering if there's a "ubuntu" way of telling it what workgroup to use.
[05:41] <viper> doog: http://ubuntuguide.org/#changecomputerdomainworkgroup
[05:42] <pax> dooglus: using samba?
[05:42] <wickedpuppy> jhall, mine doesn't load either .. use synaptic instead
[05:42] <viper> durt or anyone else: can you please help me set up WineHQ?
[05:42] <Jsl> crimsun > http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1527
[05:42] <jhall> Oh are they the same thing?
[05:42] <dooglus> pax, using the 'places' menu, then 'network servers', then 'windows networking'
[05:43] <wickedpuppy> jhall, nope ... i don't think so
[05:43] <BTJustice> Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)?
[05:43] <cafuego> dooglus: Perhaps, but all that does it edit /etc/samba/smb.conf (maybe via a frontend) so you may as well do it with a text editor and be done with it
[05:43] <crimsun> Jsl: good. Now can you hear anything?
[05:43] <NoHope> hey, when Ubuntu Breezy be released, can I apt-get upgrade only, or it's necessary to overwrite current installation?
[05:43] <Jsl> *tests*
[05:43] <trans_err> NoHope: you should be able to apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:44] <pax> dooglus: what cafugo said. if you want a frontend for smb, try SWAT.
[05:44] <jhall> I let it load for a long time but I don't even see any hard drive action
[05:44] <pax> !swat
[05:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[05:44] <NoHope> trans__err, oh, it's so good. thank you.
[05:44] <durt> viper: haven't wine, but maybe ill do that now
[05:44] <viper> okay :)
[05:44] <wickedpuppy> jhall, most people use synaptic ... have you tried it ?
[05:44] <cafuego> swat is a greatw ay of spending 10 minutes on a job you can do in 15 seconds
[05:45] <jhall> Yes, the one under System?
[05:45] <viper> durt: http://www.winehq.com/  :)
[05:45] <wickedpuppy> jhall, yes ...
[05:45] <durt> viper: just use synaptic
[05:45] <viper> ive installed it
[05:45] <dooglus> seems like setting the workgroup is something common enough that users shouldn't be expected to edit a text file manually, don't you think?
[05:45] <wickedpuppy> system -> administration -->synaptic
[05:45] <dooglus> I'll try it though.
[05:45] <dooglus> thanks.
[05:45] <durt> oh
[05:46] <viper> durt: can you tell me how to use it in a way
[05:46] <adoyretsamon> sorry about that ... permissons were wrong on the xchat folder
[05:46] <durt> viper: i dont know yet ;)
[05:46] <viper> everytime i run something with it i get errors
[05:46] <Jsl> crimsum > Beep Crashed when i pushed play... (  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i1528   )
[05:46] <viper> oh right, u havent used it b4
[05:46] <jhall> If they show the same apps then I have no problem with synaptic.  I just thought that the Add/remove showed different apps
[05:46] <adoyretsamon> breezy is too nice
[05:46] <adoyretsamon> =)
[05:46] <J5alive> Hello all. I'm having some trouble with booting up with the Live CD of Ubuntu. I'm sure I have the right cd (AMD64), and I also tried the acpi=off (someone told me to try that), but to no avail...would anyone be willing to help me out? =)
[05:46] <EasterSunshine> i wish i could pipe cat to write things onto my arm
[05:46] <adoyretsamon> hehe
[05:47] <wickedpuppy> jhall, in synaptic go to Status ... there you can find installed apps
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> EasterSunshine, no monitor needed... yea
[05:47] <wickedpuppy> add/remove apps is lame if you ask me ... nothing more than a windowz clone
[05:47] <J5alive> It freezes after the login sound, right at the rectangle logo
[05:47] <gorilla> adoyretsamon, please dont say that here at this stage... breezy still has some large bugs.
[05:47] <TylerE> Well I managed to fire off the postinstall config okay
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> sorry
[05:47] <TylerE> But I still can't get this stupid LVM setup to auto-setup properly
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> i know it does
[05:47] <TylerE> are there known issues with LVM on ubuntu?
[05:47] <dooglus> hmm.  I edited that smb.conf file and restarted samba, but I still don't see the remote shares.  Any other ideas?
[05:48] <adoyretsamon> hoary is good stuff
[05:48] <crimsun> J5alive: what happens when you boot with pci=noacpi?
[05:48] <adoyretsamon> i highly recommend anyone try hoary
[05:48] <durt> viper: what are you trying to run?
[05:48] <viper> does it matter?
[05:48] <hardw1re> i tried breezy on saturday, im gonna wait for them to offically release it before i upgrade
[05:48] <adoyretsamon> hardw1re, yea, don't blame ya
[05:48] <EasterSunshine> hardw1re: i'm gonna wait till i get comp before i upgrade!
[05:49] <durt> so i can try to run it too
[05:49] <jasoncohen> wickedpuppy, it'll be a lot better in breezy
[05:49] <viper> oh ok
[05:49] <Jsl> crimson as you can see i pushed play and it crashed...
[05:49] <adoyretsamon> lots of debug time can be spent better with hoary
[05:49] <Jsl> Never changed either
[05:49] <adoyretsamon> doing work or playing
[05:49] <viper> i dont have anything specific so do u have media player?
[05:49] <crimsun> Jsl: did you test with mpg321?
[05:49] <Jsl> No
[05:50] <Jsl> All i did is type what you said
[05:50] <crimsun> Jsl: ...but I asked you to test with mpg321
[05:50] <EasterSunshine> is there a shortcut on bash or konsole that will paste from teh x clipboard as middle-click does?
[05:50] <Jsl> What do you want me to type?
[05:50] <EasterSunshine> i do not like movnig over to the mouse eachtime
[05:51] <crimsun> Jsl: err, sorry, long day. That was for viper.
[05:51] <durt> viper: what errors do you get?
[05:51] <TylerE> EasterSunshine: Ctrl-V should work, shouldn't it?
[05:51] <crimsun> Jsl: wait, did you change b-m-p to use esound for output as well?
[05:51] <viper> can not find file, thats why i need help
[05:51] <viper> i dont know how configure it
[05:52] <Jsl> (Confused) 0.o
[05:52] <mindamp> this is ridiculous
[05:52] <mindamp> i have postfix setup
[05:52] <EasterSunshine> TylerE: nope ctrl-v does nothing, except when i press a directional key afterwards, it goes down as a char, instead of moving the cursor
[05:52] <mindamp> and i can send mail fine...
[05:52] <Jsl> Anyway i tried to play a game and got this (  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1529  )
[05:52] <mindamp> i just can't get any
[05:52] <mindamp> could someone assist me
[05:52] <mindamp> i guess im using courier-pop3
[05:52] <crimsun> Jsl: you previously mentioned XMMS, and now you just mentioned b-m-p. Did you change BOTH to use esound?
[05:52] <durt> i think you just need to get and exe file and run it as an argument with wine
[05:52] <TylerE> EasterSunshine: what are you trying to copy and paste from?
[05:52] <J5alive>  I'm having some trouble with booting up with the Live CD of Ubuntu. I'm sure I have the right cd (AMD64), and I also tried the acpi=off (someone told me to try that), but to no avail...would anyone be willing to help me out? =)It freezes after the login sound, right at the rectangle logo
[05:53] <Jsl> *More Confused*
[05:53] <Jsl> I have to set them too?
[05:53] <durt> ie, "wine programthing.exe"
[05:53] <mindamp> there seems to be little or no documentation for ubuntu on it
[05:53] <jhall> Thank you wickedpuppy!!!
[05:53] <crimsun> Jsl: sorry, I seem to misaddress everything intended for viper.
[05:54] <crimsun> Jsl: your problem is with lack of sound and snd_intel8x0, correct?
[05:54] <Jsl> Yeah
[05:54] <Nuckin_Futs> im viper, changed name
[05:54] <adoyretsamon> Nuckin_Futs, nice nick
[05:54] <crimsun> Jsl: ok, and did changing the Headphone setting allow you to hear sound?
[05:54] <Nuckin_Futs> lol, thx
[05:54] <Jsl> How?
[05:54] <crimsun> Jsl: (you already did via amixer)
[05:55] <durt> ok nucker, check out frankscorner.org
[05:55] <Jsl> Ok then...
[05:55] <Jsl> So what should i do?
[05:55] <crimsun> Jsl: are you using esound?
[05:55] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: hehe
[05:55] <Jsl> Is confused
[05:55] <mindamp> so am i going to get any support or need i cite some articles
[05:55] <Jsl> I know little about this stuff
[05:55] <crimsun> Jsl: type this in a Terminal: pgrep esd
[05:55] <Nuckin_Futs> brb: reading site
[05:56] <mindamp> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/2335221&tid=163&tid=90&tid=190&tid=106
[05:56] <Jsl> 7544 <--Got that
[05:56] <BTJustice> Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)?
[05:56] <crimsun> Jsl: ok good. Are you testing sound with XMMS or beep-media-player?
[05:56] <Jsl> Beep
[05:57] <misadran> hi all!!
[05:57] <crimsun> Jsl: did you change the default output plugin to esound?
[05:57] <crimsun> Jsl: (it defaults to OSS)
[05:57] <misadran> hey!!.. i have a problem with my pppoe conection
[05:57] <mindamp> this a nightmare
[05:57] <adoyretsamon> gorilla, just that some stuff in bz finally works now... glad of it too... like usb hotplug
[05:57] <Jsl> How do i change it
[05:57] <Jsl> Doubt i did
[05:57] <adoyretsamon> made me fell good
[05:57] <adoyretsamon> =)
[05:57] <crimsun> Jsl: secondary-click, choose Preferences, then Output, then change the plugin to esound
[05:57] <misadran> somebody help me
[05:58] <misadran> !!
[05:58] <ubotu> ! is probably what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[05:58] <dooglus> can someone help me access my windows shares please?
[05:58] <mindamp> jesus
[05:58] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: what do i do with this site lol, what useful info did u find on it
[05:58] <mindamp> man mount
[05:58] <adoyretsamon> sorry, jesus is not in the room
[05:58] <misadran> hey...
[05:58] <mindamp> isn't there even a stupid little network browser in the gui?
[05:58] <misadran> i have a question
[05:58] <mindamp> hey...
[05:58] <durt> nuck: i got winamp running
[05:59] <adoyretsamon> mindamp, yes there is
[05:59] <misadran> why my connection to pppoe expires??
[05:59] <smudo> mindamp:  try konq
[05:59] <adoyretsamon> places, network servers
[05:59] <mindamp> why does
[05:59] <mindamp> konq?
[05:59] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: cool
[05:59] <adoyretsamon> mindamp, try the places, network servers
[05:59] <Nuckin_Futs> how did u do it
[05:59] <Nuckin_Futs> terminal?
[05:59] <smudo> mindamp:  if that doesn't work, then browse the places
[05:59] <Nuckin_Futs> or gui?
[05:59] <adoyretsamon> if you mount it, then it will stick to the desktop
[05:59] <mindamp> what the hell
[05:59] <mindamp> i know how to mount a damn drive
[05:59] <adoyretsamon> your smb mount points
[06:00] <mindamp> it was doogplus that asked
[06:00] <smudo> mindamp:  then please try to be more specific.
[06:00] <Jsl> Working :)
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> mindamp, k
[06:00] <durt> terminal
[06:00] <mindamp> specific about what?
[06:00] <Jsl> Thank You !!!
[06:00] <crimsun> Jsl: good
[06:00] <net_benjo> guys..any idea how I can fix the NAT problem in azureus?? thanks...
[06:00] <durt> but now its doing weird things
[06:00] <mindamp> ive been trolling this channel for two days
[06:00] <misadran> why my conection to pppoe expires???
[06:00] <mindamp> and you finally answer me with someone elses stupid little solution?
[06:00] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: can u tell me exactly what u did?
[06:00] <Jsl> Something sad is support isnt this good at microsoft....
[06:00] <dooglus> mindamp: I'm using the stupid network browser, but it's not showing any shares.
[06:00] <smudo> mindamp:  you were asking a question and complained about the answer.
[06:00] <mindamp> pay attention
[06:00] <Jsl> And linux is free
[06:01] <mindamp>  i didn't ask any question
[06:01] <Nuckin_Futs> u just did wine winamp.exe?
[06:01] <mindamp> except about pop3
[06:01] <mindamp> now on pop3... why the bloddy hell doesn't courier-pop3 work?
[06:01] <crimsun> mindamp: erm, can you be more specific?
[06:01] <mindamp> it better not be a damn ubuntu tuned package
[06:01] <misadran> pleaseee!! somebody help me!!!!!!!!! in some minutes my conection will be expired
[06:01] <net_benjo> anybody know how to fix NAT problem in AZUREUS?
[06:01] <mindamp> well i have postfix working..
[06:02] <misadran> my conection to pppoe expires... why?
[06:02] <mindamp> i can send from my server with a domain to my gmail account
[06:02] <benplaut> net_benjo, it's with your firewall or router
[06:02] <mindamp> however when i telnet mindamp.org 110
[06:02] <dooglus> net_benjo: just forward port 6881 on the NAT to your box
[06:02] <benplaut> google it, it's a common problem
[06:02] <mindamp> there aren't any messages
[06:02] <smudo> misadran:  It's a setting from your DHCP server, likely from your ISP.
[06:02] <durt> yes - wine winampxxxxx.exe
[06:02] <mindamp> winamp with wine? whats going wrong here?
[06:03] <misadran> what can i do??... in windows xp works normally!!
[06:03] <crimsun> mindamp: it sounds like courier-pop3 isn't configured.
[06:03] <durt> im playing around
[06:03] <net_benjo> dooglus...I've got portfowarding configured for my XP OS....in UBUNTU azureus is set up to use the same port as in XP...so what else do I need to do?
[06:03] <mindamp> crimsun.. on the contrair
[06:03] <Nuckin_Futs> hmm..when i run something, it says cannot find file
[06:03] <dooglus> net_benjo: nothing
[06:03] <mindamp> /etc/courier/pop3d is configured
[06:03] <dooglus> net_benjo: you configure port forwarding on the NAT, not on XP or Linux, right?
[06:04] <crimsun> mindamp: ok, I presume you've gone through the standard courier-pop3 troubleshooting?
[06:04] <mindamp> which would be...
[06:05] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: did u run the wine config file?
[06:05] <Ex_Cyber> how can I stop DHCP updates from trashing my /etc/resolv.conf?
[06:05] <net_benjo> dooglus:..exuse me, i'm not an expert on this..but i'll try to explain...Basically I had to set up my XP to have static IP address.  After I did that..then I set up portfowarding using my router.   Then I set up azureus to use the port i just configured on the router....And then I got green faces on azureus....
[06:05] <durt> no
[06:05] <Nuckin_Futs> i did
[06:05] <dooglus> net_benjo: can you use the same static IP address in ubuntu?
[06:06] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: do u have xp's partion mounted?
[06:06] <nalioth> crimsun: is there a dev channel or something i can report a breezy bug to?
[06:06] <durt> no
[06:06] <durt> you dont need windows
[06:06] <dooglus> nalioth: use the bug reporting web page
[06:06] <crimsun> nalioth: -devel
[06:06] <durt> im having problems though
[06:06] <net_benjo> dooglus:...well that's exactly what I thogh I need to do...but how do I do that?  How do I set my ubuntu to use the same static IP as my windows???
[06:06] <mindamp> hello?
[06:06] <crimsun> nalioth: please use bugzilla (or malone) as primary tools
[06:06] <mindamp> i don't wanna say it...
[06:06] <crimsun> mindamp: for instance, the Gentoo docs
[06:06] <mindamp> oh god
[06:07] <mindamp> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/2335221&tid=163&tid=90&tid=190&tid=106
[06:07] <mindamp> courier-pop is one of those packages
[06:07] <mindamp> apparently
[06:07] <Nuckin_Futs> i want to use my already app in xp, under linux, wine says it can do that
[06:07] <mindamp> wine lies
[06:07] <Nuckin_Futs> so i mounted my xp partitions
[06:07] <durt> wine was pissing me off so i uninstalled it
[06:07] <Nuckin_Futs> and did config file
[06:07] <dooglus> net_benjo: system -> administration -> network -> (connection) -> properties -> configuration -> static ip address
[06:08] <Nuckin_Futs> LOL
[06:08] <Nuckin_Futs> ima end up doing that too
[06:08] <mindamp> so let me get this straight
[06:08] <nalioth> crimsun: dooglus: ty,
[06:08] <Nuckin_Futs> is there another program like wine?
[06:08] <mindamp> no one in this room has installed pop3 on ubuntu?
[06:08] <durt> now winamp is stuck nonfunctionl on the screen and wont go away!
[06:08] <net_benjo> dooglus: thanks...i'll try that...i hope i dont' mess things up...but tha'ts half the fun..isn't it?
[06:08] <KarlosII> mindamp: what do you mean pop3? a server?
[06:08] <Nuckin_Futs> log off and on
[06:08] <dooglus> pop3 is a protocol, right?
[06:08] <mindamp> oh god
[06:08] <Nuckin_Futs> xmms did that to me
[06:08] <mindamp> yes a pop3 server
[06:09] <mindamp> for the 18th time
[06:09] <mindamp> need i define server?
[06:09] <dooglus> I don't think you can install pop3
[06:09] <mindamp> or daemon?
[06:09] <dooglus> you can install a pop3 server, or a pop3 client though.
[06:09] <mindamp> STF
[06:09] <durt> whats a server...
[06:09] <mindamp> U
[06:09] <P8ntKid> What is the comand to open up a File Browser?
[06:09] <dooglus> whats an apostrophe?
[06:09] <mindamp> this is unbelieveably stupid
[06:09] <mindamp> i shalt have never left gentoo
[06:10] <mindamp> :-(
[06:10] <dooglus> no, you shaltnt
[06:10] <KarlosII> mindamp: apt-cache search pop3?
[06:10] <mindamp> karlosII of course
[06:10] <KarlosII> and no server in there?
[06:10] <mindamp> oh god
[06:10] <mindamp> courier-pop
[06:10] <P8ntKid> What File browsers does Ubuntu have?
[06:10] <mindamp> thats what im bleeping using
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus.
[06:10] <KarlosII> mindamp: I just caught your last bit
[06:11] <dooglus> teapop - Powerful and flexible RFC-compliant POP3 server
[06:11] <mindamp> ooooo
[06:11] <mindamp> teapop eh?
[06:11] <Nuckin_Futs> durt: did it go away?
[06:11] <dooglus> um - what was the question again?
[06:11] <durt> im going to restart now
[06:11] <Nuckin_Futs> just log off
[06:11] <Nuckin_Futs> then login again
[06:11] <Nuckin_Futs> no need to restart
[06:12] <dooglus> is there a command to list the hosts in my workgroup?
[06:12] <durt> i want this thing as deleted as possible
[06:12] <[EasterSunshine] > hey how would i cat a bunch of files together with two \r\n as a separator? ps. `man cat` is a hilarious command
[06:12] <crimsun> mindamp: this might be elementary, but I presume you've configured postfix to deliver to a user's Maildir?
[06:12] <mindamp> yes
[06:13] <crimsun> mindamp: what are the home_mailbox and mailbox_command directives?
[06:13] <tron^> hi there all
[06:13] <mindamp> Maildir
[06:13] <mindamp> no mailbox_command
[06:14] <crimsun> so postfix is running with the modified config?
[06:14] <mindamp> of course
[06:14] <mindamp> looks like im using teapop now...
[06:15] <mindamp> and i can send mail locally to my domain and localhost
[06:15] <mindamp> and receive it...
[06:15] <mindamp> but when i try sending one from gmail...
[06:15] <mindamp> no avail
[06:15] <crimsun> ok. If the logs aren't helping you debug, post a message to ubuntu-users
[06:15] <james> Hi. I was just wonding when i turn on my computer. the screen that shows the ubuntu splash have a white box in the bottem. I am using breezy.
[06:15] <P8ntKid> Is there any file browser i can use while i am on Fluxbox?
[06:16] <KarlosII> mc
[06:16] <crimsun> james: known issue, since the splash is a work-in-progress
[06:16] <james> crimsun, ok
[06:16] <james> will it be fixed?
[06:16] <[EasterSunshine] > when catting multiple files, how do i specifiy a seperator?
[06:16] <durt> that was nightmarish
[06:16] <crimsun> james: sure, but more help is welcome.
[06:17] <james> crimsun, I don't know how I can help im new to linux and I dont know how to program or do art lol.
[06:17] <durt> nuck, if you have a windows partition, why do you need wine?
[06:18] <benplaut> nuck: to not have to switch OS between things
[06:18] <Nuckin_Futs> benplaut: exactly
[06:18] <Nuckin_Futs> u guys can still call me viper if its easier :)
[06:18] <mindamp> this is fucking blatantly stupid
[06:19] <durt> there are linux alternatives to almost every windows app
[06:19] <kwilcox> if my xorg.conf file has the correct info to run 1024x768, why is it not an optino when going into the Screen Resolution option under System... Preferences
[06:19] <Nuckin_Futs> this is bucking flatantly stupid
[06:19] <Nuckin_Futs> nah, that doesnt work
[06:19] <durt> kwilcox it muct not be correct then
[06:19] <durt> must
[06:20] <Nuckin_Futs> when i goto terminal then type cd /WinRoot/Program FIles/.....
[06:20] <Nuckin_Futs> it says cannot find file /WinRoot/Program
[06:20] <Nuckin_Futs> it skipes the Files/.....
[06:21] <Nuckin_Futs> why, and is there a way to fix it
[06:21] <kwilcox> durt: pastebin
[06:21] <ian> Nuckin_Futs: yes, use "\ "
[06:21] <Nuckin_Futs> okay
[06:21] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:21] <ian> Nuckin_Futs: but really, just type /Wi<tab>/Pr<tab>
[06:22] <lui> hello
[06:22] <lui> the Smeg works in hoary?
[06:22] <Nuckin_Futs> yea that worked
[06:22] <durt> kwilcox: what me or you?
[06:23] <kwilcox> durt: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1531
[06:23] <mindamp> fuck fuck fuck
[06:23] <Nuckin_Futs> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WORKS NOW
[06:23] <mindamp> maybe i will try to configure with webmin
[06:23] <Nuckin_Futs> tysm ian
[06:23] <net_benjo> thanks dooglus...that worked like a charm...i get a green face in azureus..
[06:23] <mindamp> no your nuckin
[06:23] <Nuckin_Futs> heheheheheh
[06:23] <mindamp> not fuckin :-)
[06:23] <BTJustice> Anyone know where Kontact stores identities at (not e-mail send & receive accounts)?
[06:23] <net_benjo> dooglus: do you happen to know if its possible to print in ubuntu with canon pixima iP4000 printer?
[06:23] <Nuckin_Futs> im going nuckin futs
[06:24] <mindamp> oh blah
[06:24] <smudo> bai bai
[06:24] <mindamp> i can't login from any other machine except itself to webmin
[06:24] <mindamp> now thats gay
[06:24] <lui> the Smeg works in hoary?
[06:24] <Nuckin_Futs> net_benjo: i have same printer, tried, no way
[06:24] <durt> kwilcox: post the whold thing
[06:24] <durt> paste that is
[06:24] <Nuckin_Futs> no driver for it
[06:24] <dooglus> net_benjo: I have no idea, sorry.
[06:25] <net_benjo> no prob, guys....thanks anyways...
[06:25] <Madpilot> net_benjo: have you checked linuxprinting.org?
[06:25] <mindamp> put an end to that right quick
[06:25] <lui> anybody have smeg in ubuntu?
[06:25] <Nuckin_Futs> Madpilot: i have, no driver for CanonIPX 4000 at all
[06:25] <durt> lui yes
[06:25] <supernix> I was curious is the kernel image the actual kernel that runs the OS ?
[06:25] <mindamp> so what the hell is the difference from ubuntu and debian?
[06:26] <net_benjo> Madpilot: no..i only checked ubuntu forums...i figured if they dont' have it....there's no answer anywhere else either..
[06:26] <Madpilot> Nuckin_Futs: too bad - great nickname, buy the way
[06:26] <mindamp> it seems to be just a script ripoff
[06:26] <lui> durt, does it work with hoary version?
[06:26] <Nuckin_Futs> madpilot: thx
[06:26] <titanium> is there a way to limit upload bandwidth across the entire system?
[06:26] <deFrysk> lui yes
[06:26] <durt> mine works
[06:26] <pestilence> mindamp: no.
[06:26] <Nuckin_Futs> g2g, bye all
[06:26] <Seveas> titanium, yes there is
[06:26] <mindamp> no ?
[06:26] <titanium> Seveas: what can i look up
[06:27] <mindamp> thats all uve got?
[06:27] <pestilence> mindamp: ask in a more intelligent manner, you may get an more intelligent response ;)
[06:27] <Seveas> titanium, google for wondershaper
[06:27] <lui> deFrysk, thanks. Jus what should I do with the script they have in the page to install it?
[06:27] <mindamp> ok..
[06:27] <net_benjo> Nuxking_Futs:  what do you use for burning cd/DVD's?? K3B?
[06:27] <mindamp> whats the difference between debian and ubuntu?
[06:27] <deFrysk> lui, apt-get install smeg is easyest
[06:27] <Madpilot> !debian
[06:27] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded"; see http://www.debian.org Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9.  Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[06:27] <La_PaRCa> are ubuntu passwords salted?
[06:27] <pestilence> mindamp: biggest thing is the release cycle
[06:27] <Madpilot> mindamp: see ubotu above ^^^
[06:28] <kwilcox> durt: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1533
[06:28] <mindamp> hmm
[06:28] <rogerio> Hi there...
[06:28] <mindamp> it seems like debian is actually denouncing ubuntu...
[06:28] <mindamp> so why would i trust what ubuntu has to say?
[06:28] <mindamp> about what devian is?
[06:28] <rogerio> I am an old time user of Debian and I want to try using ubuntu...
[06:28] <lui> deFrysk, I haven't in apt-get :(
[06:28] <deFrysk> ! smeg
[06:28] <ubotu> smeg is, like, totally, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:29] <titanium> Seveas: thanks
[06:29] <rogerio> I would like to know some things regarding the release of ubuntu
[06:29] <pestilence> mindamp: look at the developers of ubuntu
[06:29] <crimsun> mindamp: the core Ubuntu developers are (with very few exceptions) all active Debian developers
[06:29] <deFrysk> lui its in backports
[06:29] <mindamp> well.. maybe true, however they aren't core developers of debian......
[06:29] <mindamp> i mean, im a debian developer
[06:29] <titanium> which uses less memory, kde or gnome?
[06:29] <mindamp> but i also smoke two joint every morning
[06:29] <rogerio> I would like to give Ubuntu 5.10 a shot on my machine...
[06:30] <mindamp> er joints
[06:30] <pestilence> clearly
[06:30] <mindamp> fucker
[06:30] <deFrysk> lui : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports?highlight=%28backports%29
[06:30] <mindamp> so its just not making since to me..
[06:30] <rogerio> I've already grabbed the daily build of today...
[06:30] <Nexinarus> !lui
[06:30] <ubotu> Nexinarus: Not a clue
[06:30] <rogerio> Would it be better if I used "colony-3"?
[06:30] <crimsun> mindamp: if you have a personal issue with it, you should direct that to ubuntu-devel
[06:31] <durt> sorry kwilcox, i dont know anything about your hardware, i suggest googling and asking around about your video card and monitor
[06:31] <Madpilot> rogerio: that's the current beta build of the next release. Current stable is 5.04
[06:31] <mindamp> i have several personal issues with it
[06:31] <lui> deFrysk, ok, I'm moving into linux thanks for the help
[06:31] <pestilence> rogerio: why not use hoary?
[06:31] <TylerE> Ugh, ubuntuforums is braindead. It's REALLY fscking helpful to have a help site where one cannot register with a text browser.
[06:31] <mindamp> like fucking mail god damn it
[06:31] <mindamp> i just want my mail!
[06:31] <crimsun> mindamp: I'm sure Matt, Fabio, Sebastian, Daniel, Scott, Lamont, James, etc. will be pleased to respond
[06:31] <psurani> !w
[06:31] <ubotu> I don't know, psurani
[06:31] <rogerio> Unfortunately, I saw no jigdo file for the colony's...
[06:31] <TylerE> any lvm experts here?
[06:31] <psurani> !ubotu
[06:31] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:31] <rogerio> pestilence: I want to use something experimental...
[06:31] <Nexinarus> when i install transcode, it breaks my maching by using core packages that are too new, help?
[06:31] <pestilence> rogerio: a sucker for pain, huh
[06:31] <Nexinarus> like by using libc6, libgcc1, etc that are too new
[06:32] <Madpilot> rogerio: try Colony 3 then, apparently it's actually fairly workable - but still experimental!
[06:32] <rogerio> pestilence: yeah, I run Debian on an oldworld PowerPC. :-)
[06:32] <pestilence> Nexinarus: clean out your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:32] <mindamp> fuck it
[06:32] <mindamp> im going back to slackware
[06:32] <deFrysk> mindamp, good for you :)
[06:32] <Madpilot> mindamp: good. have fun there.
[06:32] <rogerio> Madpilot: are these "colony" things release candidates?
[06:32] <crimsun> rogerio: yes
[06:32] <Nexinarus> pestilence: ive fixed the problem, but transcode still cant be installed safely so..
[06:33] <pestilence> Nexinarus: what repository is transcode found in?
[06:33] <rogerio> I saw that the previous name for "beta's" was "array".
[06:33] <rogerio> Is that correct?
[06:33] <rogerio> Is there anybody here that is related to the release team of Ubuntu?
[06:33] <crimsun> rogerio: that changes based on each development code name
[06:33] <Madpilot> gah... just spent four hours today being abused by an old Win98 machine... I need my Ubuntu fix! (and a beer!)
[06:33] <crimsun> rogerio: several if not quite a few
[06:33] <rogerio> crimsun: thanks.
[06:33] <mindamp> its almost as if ubuntu is actually dumb
[06:34] <mindamp> like half retarded almost
[06:34] <pestilence> mindamp: please, do tell.
[06:34] <mindamp> well...
[06:34] <rogerio> crimsun: I would like to make a suggestion of generating jigdo files for the "colony's", "array's" or whatever...
[06:34] <Madpilot> mindamp: if you're just going to spread FUD, perhaps you should just sod off...
[06:34] <mindamp> im just trying to get help...
[06:34] <Nexinarus> arent we all?
[06:34] <mindamp> yet no one seems to have setup a simple mail server on ubuntu
[06:34] <mindamp> so in my minds..
[06:35] <mindamp> its almost half retarded
[06:35] <pestilence> mindamp: search the forums.
[06:35] <mindamp> i did
[06:35] <mindamp> pest
[06:35] <mindamp> and google
[06:35] <cafuego> mindamp: a simple mail server is set up automaticaslly when ubuntu installs
[06:35] <deFrysk> mindamp, get slackware
[06:35] <Madpilot> mindamp: nobody pays us to be here. Ask again in a few hours, somebody might be able to help you
[06:35] <pestilence> mindamp: there is a very detailed howto
[06:35] <rogerio> crimsun: I have one question regarding the release process of Ubuntu.
[06:35] <mindamp> and the whole damn web
[06:35] <mindamp> where is this "howto"
[06:35] <mindamp> and there was no mail server installed when i did the base server install
[06:35] <BTJustice> mindamp:  There is always Linspire
[06:35] <rogerio> crimsun: does it have the analogues of "unstable", "testing" and "stable" that Debian has?
[06:35] <pestilence> mindamp: search for (drumroll) "mail server"
[06:35] <pestilence> in the forums
[06:35] <psurani> guys, whats samba server ???
[06:35] <mindamp> unless you mean local delivery
[06:36] <cafuego> mindamp: postfix was installed
[06:36] <mindamp> i did you pest
[06:36] <psurani> !samba
[06:36] <ubotu> I guess samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:36] <mindamp> i have postfix installed
[06:36] <mindamp> pop3
[06:36] <cafuego> mindamp: postfix dopesn't do pop3.
[06:36] <mindamp> is what i seem to be having difficulty with
[06:36] <mindamp> no shit
[06:36] <cafuego> well, install pop3 server then.
[06:36] <pestilence> mindamp: no, it shows you how to configure postfix to work with squirrelmail and all sorts of other options like imap.
[06:36] <durt> mindphuk: see if this helps  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1533
[06:36] <mindamp> again
[06:36] <cafuego> 'apt-cache search pop3'  -pick one, install it.
[06:36] <durt> maybe
[06:36] <crimsun> rogerio: not quite. It has the analogues of Stable and Unstable - currently Warty & Hoary for Stable and Breezy for Unstable.
[06:36] <mindamp> i need a simple pop3 server
[06:36] <mindamp> oh god
[06:37] <mindamp> i did install serveral..
[06:37] <mindamp> but whenever i mutt
[06:37] <mindamp> i have no messages
[06:37] <rogerio> crimsun: thanks, that clarifies a lot.
[06:37] <crimsun> rogerio: on the other hand, while Unstable will not release, Breezy will. In effect, Breezy is a combination of Testing and Unstable.
[06:37] <cafuego> Then you obviously didn't install it right.
[06:37] <cafuego> mindamp: Did you check the logs for any errors?
[06:37] <mindamp> no errors
[06:37] <rogerio> crimsun: do you have a newer tetex than Debian?
[06:37] <mindamp> no mail in /var/spool
[06:38] <pestilence> rogerio: it's easy enough to check http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:38] <psurani> can anyone help me, whats use of samba server
[06:38] <cafuego> mindamp: If there is no mail in /var/spool, then of course they won't show any messages via pop3. Duh.
[06:38] <pestilence> psurani: to share files with windows machines
[06:38] <mindamp> no shit
[06:38] <rogerio> crimsun: I develop a LaTeX package and it would be nice to know what I can count on the distribution.
[06:38] <mindamp> thats the problem
[06:38] <mindamp> THERE IS NO MAIL IN /var/spool
[06:38] <rogerio> pestilence: thanks. Took note of that.
[06:38] <rogerio> I'm checking it now...
[06:38] <cafuego> mindamp: Then youn need to configure postfix to accept mail, eh?
[06:38] <mindamp> oh fuck man
[06:39] <cafuego> mindamp: edit /etc/postfix/main.cf
[06:39] <mindamp> it works locally
[06:39] <mindamp> with postfix
[06:39] <mindamp> i configure main.cf for my domain etc..
[06:39] <cafuego> mindamp: Yes, you need to tell it top not JUST listen on 127.0.0.1
[06:39] <mindamp> i did cafuego
[06:39] <mindamp> it listens on all ips
[06:39] <mindamp> but again
[06:39] <mindamp> its not pop
[06:39] <cafuego> Did you verify that via telnet from a remote host?
[06:39] <Seveas> postfix is just smtp...
[06:40] <mindamp> yes
[06:40] <mindamp> i can telnet mindamp.org 110 fine
[06:40] <mindamp> just no messages
[06:40] <cafuego> mindamp: No, telnet to port 25
[06:40] <cafuego> mindamp: Then SEND it a mail.
[06:40] <rogerio> Hummm... I see that the tetex version is similar to the outdated version in Debian...
[06:40] <rogerio> :-(
[06:40] <mindamp> i can send mail fine
[06:40] <mindamp> god damn it
[06:40] <cafuego> mindamp: op3 won't show any messages UNTIL there is something in /var/mail/
[06:40] <Seveas> mindamp, listen to what he says...
[06:40] <Seveas> telnet your_host 25
[06:41] <cafuego> mindamp: Then you're not explaining your problem
[06:41] <mindamp> oh jesus
[06:41] <Seveas> MAIL FROM: <you@somewhere>
[06:41] <mindamp> what should the mynetworks line be?
[06:41] <Seveas> RCPT TO: <you@localdomain>
[06:41] <mindamp> to accept on all networks?
[06:41] <cafuego> mindamp: Send your postfix a mail from a remote box, check the mail log to see what it does with it.
[06:41] <rogerio> Another thing about the release process of Ubuntu:
[06:42] <mindamp> hah
[06:42] <cafuego> mindamp: You don't edit mynetworks for delivery acceptyance, that would make it an open relay.
[06:42] <mindamp> esmtp exim
[06:42] <mindamp> thats not postfix is it?
[06:42] <cafuego> No, exim is not postfix.
[06:42] <mindamp> hrmmmm
[06:42] <mindamp> what the hell
[06:42] <rogerio> I see that many Debian Developers are also developers of Ubuntu (and, to be honest, some of the best Debian Developers are Ubuntu developers).
[06:42] <lui> deFrysk, I have this answer when trying to install smeg, check my paste bin please http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1534
[06:42] <cafuego> mindamp: Did mail.log show you that connect?
[06:42] <Jhonny> hi, how can i create gpg keys, so i can sign the code of conduct?
[06:43] <cafuego> mindamp: Or does your ISP not allow incoming smtp?
[06:43] <rogerio> and what about the packages that aren't in the main distribution?
[06:43] <Seveas> mindamp, it looks like you have no clue what you are doing (no attack intended), so please read some documentation. postfix and exim have good documentation about how to setup a mailserver
[06:43] <mindamp> there is no mail.log
[06:43] <crimsun> Jhonny: the GnuPG how-to has a nice tutorial
[06:43] <mindamp> what the fuck
[06:43] <Seveas> Jhonny, gpg --gen-key
[06:43] <rogerio> Do you push the patches/fixes back to Debian/upstream?
[06:43] <pestilence> rogerio: there is also universe and multiverse, which has about anything you could ever want.
[06:43] <cafuego> mindamp: is postfix running? (ps auxww | grep postfix)
[06:43] <Seveas> rogerio, yes
[06:43] <Nexinarus> Jhonny: try 'gpg'
[06:43] <mindamp> how did postfix start ok if exim is on port 25
[06:43] <rogerio> pestilence: thanks.
[06:43] <No1Viking> I bet incoming port 25 is blocked!!
[06:43] <mindamp> no.. no the port is not blocked
[06:43] <No1Viking> ok
[06:43] <brenden> are there any ubuntu devs or people familiar with the ubuntu development process here?
[06:44] <Seveas> brenden, yes
[06:44] <deFrysk> lui do you have the mutliverse and universe repo's active ?
[06:44] <cafuego> mindamp: Your ISP may be redirecting port 25
[06:44] <deFrysk> multiverse*
[06:44] <mindamp> no its not..
[06:44] <brenden> Seveas: what does it take to get a package into the ubuntu repos? (for breezy, of course)
[06:44] <mindamp> i had it working fine under slackware
[06:44] <titaniululz> how do you use expr to multiply two numbers?
[06:44] <lui> deFrysk, how do I know that?
[06:44] <rogerio> Seveas: well, I have the same question..
[06:44] <cafuego> mindamp: Then you somehow managed to install exim
[06:45] <Seveas> brenden, for breezy it is already impossible due to freezes and and enormous backlog for the developers, you might have luck on breezy+1
[06:45] <cafuego> mindamp: Remove exim, run postfix.
[06:45] <mindamp> apt-get remove exim
[06:45] <Seveas> reead wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:45] <crimsun> brenden: it won't make it into main period at this point, and it's unlikely we'll put it into universe or multiverse, but you can try. Follow the links for new packages wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:45] <mindamp> 0 packages installed
[06:45] <mindamp> yet i telnet to it, and i get esmtp exim?
[06:45] <cafuego> mindamp: exim4
[06:45] <cafuego> or exim4-light
[06:45] <mindamp> ah
[06:45] <titaniululz> Seveas, wondershaper is awesome. thanks
[06:45] <cafuego> 'dplg -l | grep exim'
[06:45] <brenden> what if it's in the debian repos?
[06:45] <deFrysk> lui cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see if the universe lines are commented
[06:45] <rogerio> I would like to package vbrfix (I'm already working with upstream)...
[06:45] <Seveas> brenden, then it might just already be there
[06:45] <cafuego> dpkg even
[06:45] <Seveas> which application?
[06:46] <rogerio> Does ubuntu have something like sponsoring?
[06:46] <deFrysk> lui commented = marked with a #
[06:46] <brenden> Seveas: http://sourceforge.net/projects/conky
[06:46] <Seveas> rogerio, canonical funds a lot of ubuntu work
[06:46] <brenden> Seveas: i'm a gentoo user, but i was contacted by a debian dev a while ago who said he was going to make a debian package...
[06:46] <crimsun> rogerio: we don't "sponsor" uploads in that sense, no
[06:46] <rogerio> thanks...
[06:47] <Seveas> if you already have a .deb package, it will be accepted quicker (but still most likely not for breezy)
[06:47] <rogerio> That clears more questions regarding the development of ubuntu...
[06:47] <mindamp> i started postfix and removed exim
[06:47] <mindamp> now there is nothing on 25
[06:47] <titaniululz> expr 2 * 8 gives me 'syntax error' -- how do i make it evaluate multiplication?
[06:47] <mindamp> ?
[06:47] <mae> url for prerelease iso of breezy?
[06:47] <cafuego> mindamp: then postfix is not running
[06:47] <Seveas> crimsun, well, the MOTU sometimes do sponsored uploads...
[06:47] <mindamp> i started postifx though...
[06:47] <lui> deFrysk, all the lines say: restricted universe multiverse
[06:47] <mindamp> /etc/init.d/postfix restart
[06:47] <brenden> Seveas: okay, just wondering.  a lot of ubuntu users come to me asking lame questions about how to build conky, so i was hoping it might get into the ubuntu repos...
[06:47] <Seveas> mae releases.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <mindamp> ill reinstall
[06:48] <crimsun> Seveas: in a wide sense, yes, but there's no sense of ownership
[06:48] <mae> ty
[06:48] <lui> deFrysk, and none have #
[06:48] <Seveas> true...
[06:48] <BTJustice> !paste
[06:48] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:48] <cafuego> apt-get install --reinstall --force-confmiss postfix
[06:48] <mindamp> k
[06:48] <Nexinarus> force-confmiss... hmm..
[06:48] <mindamp> now how do i send mail from a postfix terminal window?
[06:49] <BTJustice> Should I uncomment any other lines in my sources.list file?  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1535
[06:49] <mae> Seveas i dont see breezy here
[06:49] <cafuego> mindamp: echo foo | mail user
[06:49] <rogerio> crimsun: the fact that there's no "ownership" is a plus the way I understand it...
[06:49] <benplaut> BTJustice, uncomment all of them
[06:49] <benplaut> woops
[06:49] <benplaut> nevermind
[06:49] <benplaut> custom sources.list
[06:49] <mindamp> harmmm
[06:49] <mindamp> mail not found
[06:49] <rogerio> I've been filing bugs on the Debian BTS and some of them just got ignored...
[06:49] <mindamp> wtf
[06:49] <lui> deFrysk, are you here?
[06:49] <rogerio> Even when I provided a patch...
[06:49] <mindamp> no mail command?
[06:49] <Seveas> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/
[06:49] <crimsun> rogerio: yes, it definitely is. It certainly has helped push innumerable packages into Breezy-ready state.
[06:49] <rogerio> And a clean patch, I'd say...
[06:50] <mae> ty
[06:50] <P8ntKid> Does anybody now where i can get a Flash plugin for firefox for ubuntu
[06:50] <brenden> thanks anyway...
[06:50] <P8ntKid> ?
[06:50] <wickedpuppy> !flash
[06:50] <ubotu> well, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <BTJustice> benplaut: I shouldn't mess with the universe ones should I?
[06:50] <mindamp> mail: command not found?
[06:50] <cafuego> mindamp: you should have a mail in /var/mail/root nopw
[06:51] <deFrysk> lui compare it with my sources.list and see if anything is missing  http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1536
[06:51] <mindamp> cafuego.. none
[06:51] <mindamp> it said mail: command not found
[06:51] <mindamp> what package is that in?
[06:51] <P8ntKid> !flash
[06:51] <ubotu> well, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:51] <wickedpuppy> mail comes default
[06:51] <mindamp> apparently not...
[06:51] <cafuego> mindamp: mailx
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india here ?
[06:52] <wickedpuppy> funny ... it is on my ubuntu ... it comes default
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> i recived my hoary cds, but want ubuntu to be full fledged up to date, but my net is SLOOOW and pay per minute
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> so i am looking for some one in india, who can give me the latest packages
[06:52] <mindamp> hmm
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> is there any other way around it ?
[06:52] <mindamp> cafuego.. echo foo | mail root
[06:52] <wickedpuppy> da_bon_bon, that person gotta give ya update every day ...
[06:52] <mindamp> no mail in /var/spool....
[06:53] <cafuego> mindamp: I just sent two mails through, check /var/log/mail.log
[06:53] <tristanmike> pay "by the minute"!? that's crazy
[06:53] <KarlosII> why is this broken? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/paidsupport
[06:53] <mindamp> cafuego..
[06:53] <cafuego> mindamp: root mail is probably forwarded to your user account, check /etc/aliases
[06:53] <mindamp> there is no /var/log/mail.log
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> wickedpuppy: no.. i dont want blleeeeding edge -- only a one update, with stuff like flash and mp3 .. and thats all.
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> wickedpuppy: something like a repo snapshit :D
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> ;)
[06:54] <Seveas> KarlosII, what's broken about it?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> *shot
[06:54] <KarlosII> Site Error
[06:54] <KarlosII> An error was encountered while publishing this resource.
[06:54] <P8ntKid> God, the Ubuntuguide really does say alot, i didnt think it had much in it. Its very helpful
[06:54] <wickedpuppy> da_bon_bon, ah hmms ... that ... you got to ask someone from india :P
[06:54] <KarlosII> AttributeError
[06:54] <KarlosII> Sorry, a site error occurred.
[06:54] <KarlosII> Traceback (innermost last
[06:54] <KarlosII> Seveas:
[06:54] <lui> deFrysk, mine seems with a lot of difference http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1537
[06:54] <Seveas> KarlosII, refresh the page
[06:54] <Seveas> works fine here
[06:54] <mindamp> cafuego.. it is forwarded to mindamp
[06:54] <Nexinarus> is there a way to see if installing a .deb file on my hard drive will install properly (need no extra dependencies) ?
[06:54] <mindamp> however there is no mail in /var/spool/mindamp or root
[06:54] <mindamp> and not /var/mail/mail.log
[06:54] <KarlosII> Seveas: oh, does it everytime I goto it
[06:55] <cafuego> mindamp: is syslogd running? does it have an entry to log mail logs to /var/log/mail.log in /etc/syslog.conf
[06:55] <Seveas> Nexinarus, dpkg-deb --show filename.deb
[06:55] <Seveas> Nexinarus, dpkg-deb --info filename.deb
[06:55] <Nexinarus> !dpkg-deb
[06:55] <ubotu> Not a clue, Nexinarus
[06:55] <mindamp> mail.*                          -/var/log/mail.log
[06:55] <mindamp> cafuego yep
[06:55] <Madpilot> P8ntKid: try wiki.ubuntu.com - even more stuff that ubuntuguide, and more of it's up to date...
[06:55] <Nexinarus> thnx Seveas
[06:56] <cafuego> mindamp: sudo touch /var/log/mail.log; sudo /etc/init.d/syslog restart; sudo postfix restart
[06:56] <rogerio> I will probably be giving a course on the use of Linux and I thought of using Debian as the distribution on which to base my explanations, but given these facts about the reelase process being clearer, I think that I may choose Ubuntu instead..
[06:56] <P8ntKid> Madpilot, Thanks
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> gee.. may out of date is best ;0
[06:56] <vitriol> how do you set up a bluetooth mouse?
[06:56] <mindamp> cafuego...
[06:57] <mindamp> no syslog
[06:57] <mindamp> thats odd
[06:57] <rogerio> I only wished that Ubuntu were lighter on the machines that I have at the university where I teach... :-(
[06:57] <vitriol> the thing is recognized when i do hcitool scan, but i can't get it working when i do cat /dev/input/mice
[06:57] <rogerio> The machines aren't exactly that powerful. :-(
[06:57] <cafuego> well, that's why it's not logging
[06:57] <Seveas> rogerio, you can use a lighter desktop :)
[06:57] <lui> Seveas, breezy is unstable right? what does mean those colony 1,2,3. First, second and third "test versions"?
[06:57] <wickedpuppy> rogerio, try DSL .. damn small linux
[06:57] <mindamp> syslogd
[06:57] <KarlosII> Seveas: why is it doing that everytime I access it initially ???
[06:57] <Seveas> lui, correct
[06:57] <wickedpuppy> or run fluxbox instead of gnome
[06:57] <mindamp> actually
[06:57] <mindamp> its sysklogd
[06:57] <Seveas> KarlosII, no idea...
[06:58] <lui> Seveas, ok
[06:58] <KarlosII> u using ff 1.06?
[06:58] <mindamp> cafuego.. done
[06:58] <Seveas> yes
[06:58] <Madpilot> KarlosII: can you post a screenshot somewhere that page broken? I'm using Opera 8.02, and that page looks fine
[06:58] <KarlosII> Troubleshooting Suggestions
[06:58] <vitriol> nobody uses a bluetooth mouse/keyboard?
[06:58] <KarlosII>     * The URL may be incorrect.
[06:58] <KarlosII>     * The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.
[06:58] <KarlosII>     * A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error.
[06:58] <KarlosII> For more detailed information about the error, please refer to error log.
[06:58] <Seveas> KarlosII, do not paste in here please...
[06:59] <rogerio> thanks for the suggestions.
[06:59] <rogerio> I will be checking them out.
[06:59] <vitriol> !bluetooth
[06:59] <ubotu> vitriol: Are you smoking crack?
[06:59] <vitriol> :\
[06:59] <mindamp> cafuego.. i can see my connects in mail.log now..
[06:59] <benplaut> ubotu: yup, he is
[06:59] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[06:59] <Nexinarus> lol
[06:59] <KarlosII> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1538
[06:59] <vitriol> not a very nice thing for a bot to say
[06:59] <benplaut> :P
[06:59] <rogerio> Seveas: I'll see what is available and report back... Perhaps I will subscribe to ubuntu mailing lists...
[07:00] <KarlosII> Seveas: if I could be pointed int he right direction if the issue is on my end
[07:00] <Nexinarus> i think im smoking crack for trying to get transcode to work :S
[07:01] <deFrysk> lui, its too early for me to compare, thats up to you ;p
[07:01] <vitriol> *sigh* just need to use whatever hardware everybody else is using ;)
[07:01] <rogerio> Well, thank you very much for the warm reception with my questions regarding the release process of Ubuntu. Now everything is clearer and I have some pointers where I will be checking.
[07:02] <rogerio> Thanks.
[07:02] <cafuego> mindamp: ok, then you should also be able to see what it does with the mails
[07:02] <mindamp> well no
[07:02] <mindamp> i just sent it one from gmail
[07:02] <mindamp> and it doesn't even show a connect in mail.log
[07:02] <lui> deFrysk, thanks, i'm trying, :)
[07:03] <cafuego> mindamp: did you set up the MX records properly?
[07:04] <cafuego> Hmm, no you didn't.
[07:04] <mindamp> mx point to itself
[07:04] <P8ntKid> How do i set me defualt file vewer as Rox?
[07:05] <mindamp> ill check godaddy
[07:05] <mindamp> to make sure
[07:05] <cafuego> mindamp: No, it doesn't.
[07:05] <cafuego> mindamp: You don't have a static IP from your ISP, do you?
[07:05] <mindamp> what should it be pointing to ?
[07:05] <Fingolfinn> hello again
[07:05] <mindamp> yes i do...
[07:05] <mindamp> i had this working perfectly on slackware
[07:06] <mindamp> oh wait
[07:06] <cafuego> mindamp: It's pointing at 208.60.215.248, which isn't listeningon port 25
[07:06] <mindamp> bah!
[07:06] <mindamp> stupid stupid mindamp
[07:06] <mae> how well does the new clipboard functionality work in gnome 2.12
[07:06] <cafuego> mindamp: Do you have postfix set up to deliver mails to mbox btw?
[07:07] <robotgeek> !lart mindamp
[07:07] <mindamp> hrm
[07:07] <mindamp> cafuego
[07:07] <mindamp> what should the maildir and mail command settings be?
[07:07] <mindamp> it set to Maildir/
[07:07] <mindamp> which does not seem right
[07:07] <cafuego> mindamp: That depends on what you want it to do with the mail
[07:07] <mindamp> just standard crap i guess
[07:07] <mindamp> pop3
[07:07] <mindamp> delivery it to local users
[07:07] <cafuego> mindamp: If you set them to blank, mail will go to the mbox spool
[07:07] <mindamp> so they can check it via pop3
[07:08] <mindamp> ahah
[07:08] <mindamp> so thats what i want
[07:08] <cafuego> mindamp: Alternatively, there;s a slightly more advanced setup where you can have unlimited mailboxes with auth info stored in mysql (and offer pop/imap for it)
[07:08] <mindamp> hmm
[07:08] <mindamp> can't i just leave them blank
[07:09] <mindamp> and add users for each mail account?
[07:09] <cafuego> mindamp: in sql, yes. I run a setup like that with about 100 domains.
[07:09] <mindamp> hmm
[07:09] <lui> Seveas, can you help me with Smeg please? I have this answer when trying to install with apt-get   http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1534
[07:09] <mindamp> i just want my shell account users to have pop3 mail
[07:09] <cafuego> mindamp: and there IS a comprehensive HOWTO :-)
[07:10] <smudo> !upgrade
[07:10] <ubotu> well, upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:10] <cafuego> mindamp: *nod* let me doa  quick check
[07:10] <deFrysk> lui, I got the same message!!
[07:10] <deFrysk> this is weird :s
[07:11] <asimismo> Greetings. I'm getting this on boot: /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[07:11] <lui> deFrysk, well maybe they retired the package !?
[07:11] <cafuego> "mailbox command ="
[07:11] <asimismo> That's preceded by: pivot_root: No such file or directory
[07:11] <asimismo> Running Warty...
[07:11] <mindamp> cafuego..
[07:12] <deFrysk> lui, its probably temoparely try again tomorrow
[07:12] <mindamp> when i telnet mindamp.org 25 from metawire.org
[07:12] <mindamp> i get my box
[07:12] <deFrysk> and my spelling sucks :s
[07:12] <mindamp> so i don't understand how the mx could affect this
[07:12] <smudo> how do I get XDMCP to run?
[07:12] <mindamp> cause its obviously working
[07:12] <smudo> I need to do remote logins on my closed network.
[07:12] <cafuego> mindamp: 'host -t MX mindamp.org' -> telnet to port 25 of the IP that returns.
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> smudo: it's in the gdm config
[07:13] <smudo> I edited the kdmrc but may have made a mistake
[07:13] <smudo> !xdmcp
[07:13] <ubotu> Wish i knew, smudo
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> smudo: kdmrc is #kubuntu
[07:13] <lui> deFrysk, I'll do that tomorrow then. No pro with spelling, I'm practicing my english here ;)
[07:13] <cafuego> Note they are completely different addresses. The MX one will be used by sane servers.
[07:13] <tristanmike> lui, could this relate to the add/remove problem where I believe python-xdg is fixed?
[07:13] <smudo> Hrd:  I'll try there...thanks
[07:13] <mindamp> cafuego..
[07:13] <mindamp> its the same IP for me
[07:13] <mindamp> although i just changed it with godaddy
[07:14] <cafuego> mindamp: Then  it's probably cached
[07:14] <mindamp> hmm
[07:14] <lui> tristanmike, I really don't know man! :P
[07:14] <mindamp> so then it should work now?
[07:14] <cafuego> mindamp: that may take up to a day or so to propagate
[07:14] <mindamp> ah
[07:14] <mindamp> like over to gmail and what not
[07:14] <asimismo> So, any idea why this would cause a kernel panic on booting Warty? "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file"
[07:14] <tristanmike> lui, gimmie a sec ok
[07:14] <bob2> warty is pretty old
[07:15] <cafuego> mindamp: yep
[07:15] <cafuego> mindamp: I just sent another kmail
[07:15] <mindamp> did you just send me mail?
[07:15] <cafuego> s/k//
[07:15] <mindamp> hrm
[07:15] <asimismo> bob2: What a noob mistake. Sorry. Running Hoary.
[07:15] <mindamp> cool
[07:15] <mindamp> so now i just wait for MX to propagate?
[07:15] <cafuego> mindamp: yes
[07:16] <mindamp> maybe i could do some propagating
[07:16] <Micksa> dammit
[07:16] <mindamp> i appreciate it man
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: it means your filesystem changed
[07:16] <Micksa> what's the Right Way to make sure .profile is run in xterms?
[07:16] <asimismo> bob2: If they'd increment alphabetically I could keep them straight!
[07:16] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: How so?
[07:16] <Micksa> or at least, the env vars in it are passed through to them
[07:16] <mindamp> all that just so i can picture blog to wordpress while i visit my girlfriend tomorrow
[07:16] <mindamp> :-)
[07:16] <Micksa> putting ". .profile" in .Xsession didn't work :/
[07:16] <lui> tristanmike, sure
[07:16] <mindamp> im sure shed thank you...
[07:16] <Micksa> .xsession
[07:16] <bob2> you're unlikely to find much help fixing that
[07:16] <bob2> unless it's something obvious like a corrupt disk
[07:16] <mindamp> if she liked that sort of thing :-)
[07:17] <mindamp> night
[07:17] <bob2> hm, lag
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> .profile is 'old-skool' i think :P normally its .bashrc and .bash_profile that gets read by the shells
[07:17] <asimismo> bob2: Well I tried to switch to k7 and got the error. So I switched back to i386. Then I just updated my packages and got a new version of i386 and that killed my good kernel.
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: you broke your bootloader
[07:18] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Could be. I don't remember changing anything for that entry.
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: you shouldn't need to change anything
[07:19] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Right. So how would I have broken it?
[07:19] <james> Hello, I have a question I was hoping someone could help me with
[07:19] <DekaPink> Is there a way to remove command that references program that's no longer there? :3
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: hm.. if you removed stuff from /etc/modules
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> the initrd it built wouldn't load the right drivers
[07:20] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: What rebuilds initrd, then?
[07:20] <james> I have two harddrives installed in my computer and the one I'm using now has Linux Ubuntu, is it possibl;e for me to format the other harddrive from Ubuntu?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> when you install the package, or mkinitrd
[07:20] <tristanmike> lui, could open your add/remove and tell me if it in fact opens?
[07:21] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: I don't remember physically removing anything from /etc/modules. Is there anything that does that as a side effect?
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: nothing should
[07:21] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Hmmm. Suggestions on fixing?
[07:22] <NoUse> james I'm not sure if there is a GUI application for formatting devices, but you can do it from the console for sure
[07:22] <lui> tristanmike, it opens
[07:22] <b3nw> is fgl_glxgears suppost to give much lower numbers that glxgears?
[07:22] <nlnugen> hi, setting up dialup connection, new enough to not get it.
[07:22] <james> ok console, what is the console?
[07:23] <nlnugen> ?console
[07:23] <NoUse> !terminal
[07:23] <ubotu> [terminal]  in gnome, to get to a terminal, you use the gnome menu, that is by default on the top of the screen. Hit Applications>System Tools>Terminal.
[07:23] <b3nw> is fgl_glxgears suppost to give much lower numbers that glxgears?
[07:23] <tristanmike> lui, ok there was a bug with python-xdg not alowing add/remove to open so I thought the broken package might be casuing your proplem, obviously not.
[07:24] <james> ok I know how to get into the terminal, but what commands do I use?
[07:24] <DekaPink> I guess that's a no to my question then. :3
[07:24] <NoUse> james depends on what file system you want to use
[07:24] <KarlosII> Madpilot: did yu get that link
[07:24] <nlnugen> Help please,
[07:24] <KarlosII> Madpilot: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1538
[07:25] <james> I'm sorry but I don't understand. I don't know what file system I want to use, I just want to format my other harddrive
[07:25] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Can you explain how a missing module shows up as an error with dev/console (which looks like it's missing a leading slash)?
[07:25] <Madpilot> KarlosII: interesting - looks like whatever engine runs the Ubuntu sites threw a fit for you. Is it still doing it?
[07:25] <NoUse> james do you want to use it for Windows or Linux?
[07:25] <KarlosII> yes
[07:25] <KarlosII> always on that link
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: if you are missing the module to load to mount your hard drive
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> it can't find the files
[07:26] <KarlosII> but one of the links I can refreash Madpilot
[07:26] <KarlosII> and it starts working
[07:26] <Zain> I have an idea Linux with Nt4 Gui and supporting 486 up to modern systems wine+ easy graphical tools for zipping/image viewing installing Windows Progs That hard to make?
[07:26] <Deanodriver> how do you set up a samba share so you don't have to enter in a username and password, kinda like how winxp does it?
[07:26] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Hmmm. I didn't know /dev/console was a real file.
[07:26] <KarlosII> that one it doesn't work even with refreshing
[07:26] <james> I want to install windows on the other harddriove, and still use linux on this one\
[07:27] <Madpilot> KarlosII: wild. you might want to hunt around the Ubuntu site and find a webmaster contact, and send them that URL.
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: /dev/console the 'console'
[07:27] <jack|ass> !drm
[07:27] <ubotu> jack|ass: I give up, what is it?
[07:27] <NoUse> james Windows Installer will format it for you
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> is the 'console' device
[07:27] <jack|ass> !dri
[07:27] <ubotu> jack|ass: Wish i knew
[07:27] <jack|ass> :(
[07:27] <Madpilot> KarlosII: that said, it still works fine for me...
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: it's incredibly pointless
[07:27] <KarlosII> Madpilot: I dunno if it's on my end or their end
[07:27] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Does it make a difference that I'm running md/RAID1, LVM, and evms?
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> a lot of difference
[07:27] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: :-D
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> in fact that's exactly the problem :)
[07:28] <Zain> hrdwrBOB : Pointless for Winxp users?
[07:28] <lui> tristanmike, ok, lets forget apt-get. maybe you can tell me what should I do with the script to install that smeg that the ubuntu forums put in this page: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: I'm not sure what you're trying to do
[07:28] <james> I can't get it to boot from the cd-rom that's why I was hoping linux could do it cause win is already on that other drive but there is a virus and win won't start it will only reboot over and over
[07:29] <NoUse> james I don't think you can install Windows unless you can boot from the CD
[07:29] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Ok, I'm not 100% capable with those tools, but I managed to get them and keep them running for a while. I had a degraded drive I was going to replace tonight. But after the kernel update I couldn't reboot. So, which of those tools might have caused a problem?
[07:29] <james> you are right, but I know the cd is fine cause linux can read it
[07:29] <Zain> Okay a linux distro with nt4 gui lets say modded fvvm gui to look exactly like the nt4 one and the linux version of the functions as well but with same ease for example sharing files with other pc's etc.
[07:29] <NoUse> james I'm just saying formatting the drive isn't going to fix that problem
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: sounds like the correct modules weren't put in /etc/modules
[07:30] <NoUse> james try chaning your boot order in BIOS
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> and your newly built initrds didn't have evms/lvm/raid support
[07:30] <Zain> So when i for example dl winamp on that distro browsing to it and doubleclicking the exe would be all needed to do for install
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> you'll have to see if you can access it with the live cd
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> check the modules loaded
[07:30] <esc_ape> hello - I am having a dependency proble. wondering if someone could help me out...
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> and add appropriate lines to /etc/modules
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> then rebuild the initrds
[07:30] <Zain> A linux distro for novice users who dont have time to learn?
[07:31] <james> I'll keep trying to get it to boot from the cd, I have been doing it from the bios, but I thank you for your help
[07:31] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: as opposed to xmms, which exists and works perfectly
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Zain: i think it's called "Linspire" isn't it?
[07:31] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention the plethora of other mp3 players and movie players for linux
[07:31] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: I'm a little rusty, but I think I can do that. Once I make a change how do I create my new initrd, or does that happen automatically? You mentioned mkinitrd?
[07:31] <james> I hate windows, especially XP, but I love DOS Games
[07:31] <esc_ape> I am trying to install alltray. so I apt-get install alltray and get this error message: "alltray is already the newest version.
[07:31] <esc_ape> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[07:31] <esc_ape> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:31] <esc_ape>   alltray: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed
[07:31] <esc_ape> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[07:31] <DekaPink> Can I convert a png to an xpm somehow?
[07:31] <Zain> well buddy try to install Linspire on a 486 comp
[07:31] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: if someone doesn't have the time to learn, then really, they're already doomed
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: 486s are hard rubbish
[07:32] <tristanmike> lui, i believe you just save the page to your home directory with the default name, open a terminal, and type ./<nameofscript>
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: mkinitrd
[07:32] <Zain> linspire wont even work on pentium pro 133 mhz
[07:32] <tristanmike> lui, while IN your home directory that is
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> asimismo: check /boot/ for initrds
[07:32] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: No arguments?
[07:32] <asimismo> Ok
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> and look at the mkinitrd manpage
[07:32] <asimismo> HrdwrBoB: Word. Thanks.
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> no worries :)
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> GL
[07:33] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: which is also hard rubbish
[07:33] <Zain> HrdwrBoB : why cause they have other things to do than sitting in front of linux all day long?
[07:33] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: you can't have your cake and eat it too
[07:33] <tristanmike> lui, but I can't be 100%, I'm still learning too....
[07:33] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: you don't have to sit in front of linux all day long to use an mp3 player that's easily available on your system
[07:33] <esc_ape> so, what should I do about this error message when I try to install alltray...
[07:34] <Zain> well whatabout ACDsee? or even other progs that aint made for linux like photoshop?
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> what, you mean like gthumb
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> and GIMP?
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> both of which come with ubuntu?
[07:34] <Zain> or the countless games that aint ported
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: when you can make those games work easily, let me know, there's a pot of gold at the end of the rain bow for you
[07:34] <Zain> thats what wine's for
[07:35] <Zain> yeah u think everyone is a hacker
[07:35] <HrdwrBoB> no, I most certainly do not
[07:35] <HrdwrBoB> I deal with non hackers in here on a daily basis
[07:35] <Zain> Thats why i have ideas to start Linux NT
[07:36] <HrdwrBoB> but "I'm too lazy to learn anything and too cheap to buy windows" isn't really a good market to be aiming at
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Zain: I think you are studiously avoiding HrdwrBoB 's point :)
[07:36] <Zain> To have one linux with same ease as NT
[07:36] <ilba7r> anyone using xfce find it too slow to boot up?
[07:36] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: in many cases it's easier
[07:36] <Zain> so your time you spent to learn linux is worth 0?
[07:36] <bob2> no, but that investment is amply rewarded
[07:37] <bob2> also, ranting about things being too hard is off-topic
[07:37] <bob2> if you actually want to help, join #ubuntu-doc and write docs
[07:37] <bob2> or submit patches to make things easier to use
[07:38] <Zain> i just asked if my project was hard to make for dev's thats all
[07:38] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: it's not too hard, it's just (in my opinion) a bad idea
[07:38] <bob2> if you have to ask, then it's too hard for you to do
[07:39] <Zain> as more or less most linuxes aims for newer and newer hardware i would have minimum req's 486 PC
[07:39] <ilba7r> !xfce
[07:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[07:39] <bob2> then go for it
[07:39] <ilba7r> !xfce4
[07:39] <lui> tristanmike, thank you man, I'm sure in anytime I could help you with some problem ;)
[07:39] <ubotu> ilba7r: I don't know
[07:39] <HrdwrBoB> Zain: sure, I'll gather up all the 0 people I know using lower than P3 class hardware who will use your system
[07:39] <tristanmike> lui, did it work?
[07:39] <aru> xfce is pretty
[07:40] <Zain> the girl next door uses p133
[07:40] <Madpilot> so we now have a sample size of... one.... cool
[07:40] <Zain> she installed win98lite and feels happy with what she has
[07:40] <ilba7r> aru i agree but do not know why soo slow on my pc anyway will try the link ubotu gave
[07:41] <tristanmike> there's a Win98 lite???
[07:41] <Zain> litepc did a shellhack making it use win95 shell and deleted ie from installer
[07:42] <benplaut> tristanmike, yup... not official, though
[07:42] <Zain> programs get faster response cause of that
[07:42] <bob2> cafuego_: sheep?
[07:42] <tristanmike> wow, probably better then..... :s
[07:43] <lui> tristanmike, just right now it works well, well :)
[07:43] <Zain> yup more stable
[07:43] <bob2> if removing a browser makes your OS more stable, you have already lost
[07:43] <Zain> great for reviving old Pc's
[07:43] <Zain> but still not a free alternative for them ;)
[07:43] <tristanmike> lui, wow, that's great news, it means not only did I get to help someone, but i shows I'm taking the first steps to learning Ubuntu/Linux :)
[07:44] <lui> tristanmike, of course I make it executable, that's one of the things I learned here
[07:44] <tristanmike> lui, right
[07:44] <Zain> activex/Overactive desktop removal aint good enough? win95 gui didnt activex
[07:44] <tristanmike> bob2: lol
[07:44] <scrofula> regeya: squirrelmail -- I understand that to build it from source, I'd unpack the tarball in e.g. /var/www (on my system, the DocumentRoot is actually /home/foo/public_html, but you get the idea.) However, I just installed it using apt-get, and it put files in /etc/squirrelmail and /usr/share/squirrelmail but none in my DocumentRoot. What am I to do -- make a symlink or something?
[07:44] <Zain> its still windows just less evil :)
[07:45] <Madpilot> and more illegal
[07:45] <scrofula> sorry, s/regeya/re:
[07:45] <tristanmike> would that be like Wine or Cedega?
[07:45] <tristanmike> just not as....
[07:45] <Zain> why illegal? litepc makes sure users already have win98 and win95 and makes the installer out of avaiable files that user provides
[07:45] <scrofula> should I just get the tarball of squirrelmail and put it in the DocumentRoot?
[07:46] <DekaPink> Anyone have any experience installin the Quake III demo?
[07:46] <scrofula> and if I do that, should i apt-get uninstall it?
[07:46] <Madpilot> ah, OK. if it's done that way, it's legal - but still seems pointless...
[07:46] <bob2> scrofula: why not just us the ubuntu version of squirrelmail
[07:46] <scrofula> bob2: that's what I did
[07:47] <scrofula> bob2: but it doesn't work out of the box
[07:47] <DekaPink> I'm at a loss for what to do with the linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[07:47] <Poromies> Zain: why are you talking all this windows stuff here? This is a help and support channel for ubuntu-linux?
[07:47] <DekaPink> file.
[07:47] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:47] <bob2> scrofula: and by that you mean ...?
[07:47] <bob2> DekaPink: it had no instructions?
[07:47] <LinuxRoc> same from me ( hey everyone )
[07:47] <mae> who likes monodevelop>?
[07:47] <DekaPink> bob2: Not that I saw.
[07:48] <Zain> Madpilot it wasnt pointless for a friend who complained about laggyness on his pentium 2 when i installed win98lite he was overjoyed
[07:48] <aru> you guys know of any good writing programs for prefessionals
[07:48] <scrofula> bob2: I need to configure it correctly, but all the docs assume that you're downloading the tarball, rather than apt-getting ubuntu's version (which is what I did)
[07:48] <robotgeek> aru: latex
[07:48] <cyphase> does anyone know what might be wrong with my installation of ubuntu? whenever i connect another hard drive, it has a kernel panic
[07:48] <cyphase> it says something like "Kernel Panic - Attempted to kill init!"
[07:48] <mae> open office?
[07:49] <HrdwrBoB> aru: define 'professional'
[07:49] <bob2> scrofula: that's really not true
[07:49] <robotgeek> :)
[07:49] <scrofula> bob2: even if I get the tarball (which has clear installation docs) I will have two versions, unless I "apt-get remove squirrelmail"
[07:49] <bob2> scrofula: you run the config script and it sets it up fine
[07:50] <cyphase> aru, openoffice is good, as well as abiword if you want a less heavy word processor
[07:50] <deFrysk>  gedit
[07:50] <bob2> then you just access it
[07:50] <bob2> all done!
[07:50] <cevizoglu> aru: vim
[07:50] <LinuxRoc> deFrysk: right on! use gedit
[07:51] <deFrysk> nano
[07:51] <bob2> scrofula: of course, so don't get the tarball
[07:51] <scrofula> bob2: okay, but I need to decide on two directories before I can run the config script: one for the index.php and assorted webpages, and another for attachments
[07:51] <deFrysk> emacs
[07:51] <robotgeek> he wanted a professional writing system, not a text editor
[07:51] <LinuxRoc> nano is nice when new to other prog like Vim
[07:51] <robotgeek> emacs is not a text editor, it's an os!
[07:51] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: that depends on your definition of a professional writing system
[07:51] <aru> I've been using openoffice.org but I need something like writersblock 3
[07:52] <bob2> what on earth is a "professional writing system"?
[07:52] <robotgeek> aru: never heard of it
[07:52] <cevizoglu> bob2: exactly
[07:52] <deFrysk> bob2, something you have to pay for hehe
[07:52] <scrofula> bob2: the confusion stems from the fact that apt-get put everything in /etc/squirrelmail and /usr/share/squirrelmail (which are both outside of apache2's DocumentRoot.
[07:52] <Fub> I have the whole kernel panic thing, do anyone know if there is a place to download the deb package for the old kernel?
[07:52] <aru> I'm not sure what latex is but I don't think its what I need
[07:52] <cevizoglu> deFrysk: ah, but do you pay for it in learning/tweaking time, or in cash?  or both?
[07:52] <LinuxRoc> I guess he can use a program called ted
[07:52] <scrofula> aru: openoffice rocks!
[07:53] <dibbon> Does anyone know where I can get a list of softwares supported by Ubuntu?
[07:53] <deFrysk> cevizoglu, if .exe , probably both
[07:53] <dibbon> i am thinking of switching to ubuntu from gentoo
[07:53] <kemik> aru:  i heard LaTeX is what pro's use ;)
[07:53] <cevizoglu> dibbon: don't do it, you'll never switch back!
[07:53] <deFrysk> dibbon, you might get bored then
[07:53] <dibbon> bored?
[07:53] <dibbon> why?
[07:53] <kemik> (afaik know, Calculus is written entirely in latex)
[07:53] <scrofula> bob2: should I link /home/foo/public_html/squirrelmail to /usr/share/squirrelmail ...?
[07:54] <deFrysk> nothing left to tweak and stuff , it works fine out of the box
[07:54] <dibbon> but CAN I tweak it?
[07:54] <dibbon> If I want?
[07:54] <bob2> scrofula: dude
[07:54] <deFrysk> dibbon, yes
[07:54] <bob2> scrofula: the Debian maintainer is not dumb
[07:54] <bob2> scrofula: dpkg -L squirrelmail
[07:54] <aru> kemik: but I'm not sure it does anything useful
[07:54] <dibbon> Then why would I not want that
[07:54] <LinuxRoc> I agree, I switched from Slack and I currently experiencing the boredom :(
[07:54] <dibbon> Does Ubuntu support limewire?
[07:54] <bob2> scrofula: note that it put a config file in /etc/ that told apache how to find squirrelmail
[07:54] <bob2> dibbon: no, but it will probably work
[07:54] <deFrysk> dibbon, if you install java the ubuntu way limewire wil work fine
[07:55] <LinuxRoc> isn't limeware a java app
[07:55] <scrofula> bob2: because I know apt-get put everything I need on the system, but it still isn't accessible from the web. (Also, I already did the "dpkg -L" thing to see where the files went.)
[07:55] <LinuxRoc> I like amule better
[07:55] <bimberi> dibbon: you browse the package lists via http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:55] <dibbon> perfect
[07:55] <scrofula> bob2: aha! /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf right?
[07:55] <aru> http://www.writersblocks.com/ <- something like that
[07:56] <scrofula> bob2: I should look at that next!
[07:56] <deFrysk> dibbon, also no need to rent lotr 1,2,3 during install ;p
[07:56] <robotgeek> aru: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[07:56] <LinuxRoc> ha ha funny deFrysk
[07:57] <bob2> scrofula: yes, apache1 should have already read that file
[07:57] <bob2> because squirrelmail added an include to the bottom of /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[07:58] <LinuxRoc> how do you guys install java?             install, manual install? java-package?, misc .deb found on the web?
[07:59] <scrofula> bob2: I am using apache2 -- is the syntax different? I know I had a lot of trouble with VirtualHost entries and finicky syntax on the changeover.
[07:59] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:59] <bob2> scrofula: all you need is a ScriptAlias line, I'd think
[07:59] <bob2> look at how apache1 did it
[07:59] <Madpilot> !tell LinuxRoc about java
[08:00] <scrofula> bob2: if squirrelmail added an include to the bottom of /etc/apache/httpd.conf then I probably just need to tweak it in the apache2 conf to match that.
[08:00] <bob2> yes
[08:00] <scrofula> bob2: thanks -- you've at least given me a lead. I will look at that for a bit and lurk here ...
[08:01] <salvius> konqueror question -- anyone know why it loads websites so slow, or sometimes just refuses to load them?  when I switch to Mozilla after, it takes longer too, but then it runs fine
[08:01] <Fub> is there a way to download ubuntu packages manually?
[08:02] <scrofula> bob2: (switching to another GNU screen via Ctrl-a 0 for a bit)
[08:02] <scrofula> Fub: I recommend using apt-get update && apt-get install packagename
[08:03] <durt> salvius: use opera
[08:03] <scrofula> Fub: unless you mean building packages from source, in which case you just do it the old-fashioned way: get the tarball, tar -xvzf taball.gxz, read the INSTALL docs, make, make install.
[08:03] <DekaPink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1539
[08:04] <DekaPink> ^ That's what's happening when I try to run the quake 3 demo file.
[08:04] <salvius> durt: yes, but I'd like to be able to get conqueror to at least function.   if the package is broken this is no good...
[08:04] <deFrysk> Fub, apt-get -d <package>
[08:04] <scrofula> Fub: strike .gxz and sub .gz
[08:04] <Fub> scrofula, it's a bit complicated. My kernel paniced when I updated last time, so I'm following the guide from the forums, using a live cd. However apparently pppoe doesn't work over chroot
[08:04] <scrofula> Fub: that was a typo
[08:05] <DekaPink> That little black window pops up... I don't know what the deal is.
[08:05] <scrofula> Fub: ooh, you are over a dialup? I have only ever used DSL and cable, so pppoe is not my area of expertise.
[08:05] <Fub> it's a kind of dial up, yes
[08:05] <knoppix> spyware/adware?
[08:06] <Fub> but it's damn annoying
[08:06] <bimberi> Fub: You can download packages via http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:06] <salvius> so, if anyone can help; having problems with konqueror; it loads pages slowly or not at all.  other browsers are not manifesting the problem
[08:07] <deFrysk> wget -c <url> is downloading with resume enabled
[08:07] <Fub> bimberi, ah, that was exactly what I was looking for:)
[08:07] <P8ntKid> Is there anyway to watch a DVD on ubuntu? I have mplayer isntalled and all of the codecs and such
[08:07] <Tzi> Hi =)
[08:07] <Tzi> Does anyone have the file 'dvb-dibusb-5.0.0.11.fw', or 'dvb-dtt200u-1.fw'?  I've just got myself a USB digital tv tuner, and it needs the firmware.... Good ol' linuxtv.org appears to be down, though, so I can't retrieve it..
[08:08] <bimberi> Fub: :)
[08:08] <LinuxRoc> Thanks for the java help.  Things change pretty fast around here.
[08:09] <knoppix> hey, I program java!
[08:09] <knoppix> they're okay when used correctly
[08:09] <deFrysk> knoppix, better when not used ;p
[08:09] <P8ntKid> Is there anyway to watch a DVD on ubuntu? I have mplayer isntalled and all of the codecs and such
[08:10] <knoppix> there should be a package you can get for watching dvds....
[08:10] <salvius> so, if anyone can help; having problems with konqueror; it loads pages slowly or not at all.  other browsers are not manifesting the problem
[08:10] <deFrysk> P8ntKid, install totem-xine and use totem
[08:10] <knoppix> hey - knoppix is just until my kubuntu finishes downloading!
[08:10] <durt> speaking of totem...
[08:10] <cihad> slm
[08:10] <cihad> millet
[08:11] <Codeus> Hey, what is the name of that Photoshop clone for Linux? I saw it on some random blog once, it wasn't Gimp but it was more of a Photoshop clone for Linux
[08:11] <knoppix> eye of gnome?  I don't know...
[08:11] <cihad> what is gimp
[08:11] <durt> my totem doesnt run properly for some reason
[08:11] <knoppix> GNU IMage something or other...
[08:11] <tristanmike> cihad, a photoshop clone
[08:11] <tristanmike> lol
[08:11] <Madpilot> Codeus: GIMP = GNU Image Manipulation Program, AFAIK
[08:12] <Codeus> haha no, not gimp
[08:12] <knoppix> Macromedia Fireworks 'till I die (or get photoshop, whichever happens first ;)
[08:12] <Madpilot> sorry, that was for knoppix
[08:12] <Codeus> i saw this program once that was just like a total flatout Photoshop clone
[08:12] <scrofula> bob2: The conf in /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf looks sane
[08:12] <knoppix> you saw fireworks
[08:12] <tomaj> how do you burn mp3 files to a cd as an audo cd?
[08:12] <knoppix> it looks and behaves EXACTLY like photoshop
[08:12] <Madpilot> you can get something called "GimpShop" - it reconfigures the GIMP to act a lot more like PS
[08:12] <scrofula> bob2: but there is nothing in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[08:12] <knoppix> there's a good lawsuit there somewhere...
[08:12] <cyphase> Codeus, it's Gimp made to look like photoshop i think
[08:13] <scrofula> bob2: should I just copy the relevant VirtualHost entry over?
[08:13] <tomaj> cyphase: that's wrong
[08:13] <tomaj> cyphase: they look completely different
[08:13] <P8ntKid> haha thanks, Totem is playing hte DVD perfect
[08:13] <knoppix> okay, g'night!  May the Force be with you.
[08:13] <cyphase> tomaj, well, i dont know
[08:13] <tomaj> cyphase: ignore me im a retard
[08:13] <cyphase> i just remember reading an article a while ago
[08:13] <tomaj> cyphase: i didnt see the whole arguement
[08:13] <durt> tomaj: get gnomebaker
[08:14] <tomaj> thanx durt
[08:14] <durt> or xcdrtoaster
[08:14] <cihad> How to install Flash Player Plug-in for Mozilla Firefox on ubuntu ?
[08:14] <Madpilot> !flash
[08:14] <ubotu> I heard flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:14] <tomaj> which looks nicest durt? which has the best user interface?
[08:14] <durt> gnombaker i guess
[08:14] <tomaj> thanx
[08:14] <deFrysk> I like graveman
[08:15] <babyfire> what up durt
[08:15] <babyfire> hey peopels
[08:15] <durt> are you chinese babyfire
[08:15] <babyfire> lol
[08:15] <babyfire> i am sometimes
[08:15] <durt> ok
[08:16] <babyfire> what up
[08:16] <Romik41> hello I'm fresh ubuntu user :)
[08:16] <durt> hello
[08:16] <babyfire> hi Romik41
[08:16] <babyfire> me too i am sooo soo confused most of hte time
[08:16] <cyphase> welcome Romik41
[08:16] <babyfire> but durt is awesome
[08:16] <deFrysk> coriander rocks for burning audio cd's tomaj try it its just drag and drop
[08:17] <tomaj> deFrysk does it work with m4a? gnomebaker doesnt seem to
[08:18] <deFrysk> tomaj, any soundformat gstreamer takes coriander takes
[08:18] <deFrysk> so try it ;)
[08:18] <tomaj> ok thanx deFrysk
[08:18] <Romik41> Yesterday I have received disks by mail... so, I'm russian and my english is very terrable(yet)
[08:18] <tomaj> deFrysk uh it says its for digital cameras in synaptic
[08:19] <durt> just about to say that
[08:19] <deFrysk> tomaj, ooh wrong prog I mentioned , a sec
[08:19] <tomaj> lol
[08:19] <ymor> hello
[08:19] <vj> serpentine is good for audio cds
[08:19] <durt> did you get your sound working yet babyfire
[08:19] <deFrysk> tomaj, serpentine!
[08:20] <deFrysk> vj thanks ;)
[08:20] <tomaj> thanx vj and deFrysk
[08:20] <Romik41> how can I get VPN on ubuntu?
[08:20] <deFrysk> so many progs in linux , driving me nuts!
[08:20] <tomaj> its not in synaptic for me deFrysk
[08:20] <deFrysk> ! serpentine
[08:20] <ubotu> deFrysk: I give up, what is it?
[08:21] <Madpilot> !info serpentine
[08:21] <Madpilot> !+info serpentine
[08:21] <ubotu> Package 'serpentine' does not exist.
[08:21] <deFrysk> tomaj, its in ubuntu-backports
[08:21] <babyfire> no sounds yet durt
[08:21] <tomaj> deFrysk extras?
[08:22] <tomaj> ok
[08:23] <tomaj> deFrysk?
[08:23] <deFrysk> tomaj,  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:23] <deFrysk> tomaj, thats the one I use
[08:23] <babyfire> now i am trying to get it to type chinese charecters
[08:23] <babyfire> and japanese
[08:23] <tomaj> ok
[08:23] <tomaj> thanx
[08:25] <BirdFish> What would I enter into /etc/fstab to mount and be able to read an ntfs drive?
[08:25] <BirdFish> I just need the options
[08:27] <topyli> tomaj: serpentine is in hoary-extras i think, it's not in hoary
[08:28] <babyfire> no durt i am not really chinese just study it
[08:28] <babyfire> and take karate
[08:28] <durt> lol
[08:28] <babyfire> and i wnat to be able to read the I ching in chinese
[08:28] <durt> thats kung fu
[08:29] <babyfire> pa kua
[08:29] <DekaPink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1539
[08:29] <durt> neehow jiji to
[08:29] <topyli> babyfire: install pyching and get your daily i ching readings in english :)
[08:30] <babyfire> but if you get it in english you arnt geting it in chinese!!!!!!!
[08:31] <babyfire> do you understand the colossal differance
[08:31] <durt> what the hell is the i ching
[08:31] <babyfire> it is the book of changes
[08:31] <benplaut> durt: chinese phylosify
[08:31] <topyli> heh
[08:31] <babyfire> the changes of hte DAO
[08:31] <durt> so this is what the flower children study?
[08:31] <grahame> anyone nice want to help me with a mirroring question?
[08:32] <babyfire> like dharma the changes of the wind and the currents in space
[08:32] <Movo> edu.au?
[08:32] <durt> just kidding of course
[08:32] <tomaj> serpentine doesnt burn m4a
[08:32] <Movo> for a second there you had me thinking you were me
[08:32] <topyli> durt: some of them. i think most of them follow one hindu variant or another
[08:32] <tomaj> hmm ill have to get nero on windows again
[08:33] <topyli> tomaj: can't find serpentine? i got it from backports
[08:33] <babyfire> i love daisies
[08:33] <durt> jconnell, thats a good name
[08:34] <durt> tomaj: maybe you could convert those m4a's to mp3s
[08:34] <babyfire> and bakes
[08:35] <babyfire> smoking is bad for you
[08:35] <topyli> babyfire: it's the healing of the nation ;)
[08:35] <p_O> babyfire?
[08:36] <durt> tomaj: see this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/170553
[08:37] <topyli> i have to set up openvpn. this is potentially a very stressful quest :(
[08:37] <tomaj> durt converting m4a to mp3 is like evaporating coffee to get quick coffee mix
[08:37] <babyfire> i made a promise to  myself that i would only bake and vapor and stema and infuse and tinictire an macurewith it
[08:38] <babyfire> steam
[08:38] <topyli> i only do it on days that begin with a T. like tuesday, thursday, today...
[08:38] <helloyo> tomaj, quick coffee mix you can take anywhere ;)
[08:39] <babyfire> p_O a copper?
[08:39] <durt> helloyo is exactly right tomaj
[08:39] <babyfire> thats coo yo
[08:39] <durt> you can take a cd anywhere
[08:39] <tomaj> helloyo: true but m4a is a superior codec and i'd rather burn it through windows than converting it into an inferior codec
[08:39] <tomaj> just because windows is mainsream it doesnt mean we should use it...
[08:39] <cevizoglu> sad.. I just threw away and re-encoded all my m4a's
[08:39] <durt> it gets converted to .wav anyway
[08:40] <durt> so just convert to wav and then burn
[08:40] <cevizoglu> into mp3, that is
[08:40] <helloyo> tomaj, yeah, i'd rather be using ogg then mp3, but its just so much more convenient to do what everyone else is sometimes
[08:40] <tomaj> durt nevertheless its lossy to lossy which leads to supercrap
[08:40] <tomaj> helloyo so should i dump linux and use windows?
[08:40] <tomaj> its more convenient and easier
[08:40] <tomaj> its certainly just as free ;)
[08:40] <durt> read that url and just convert to wav then burn
[08:41] <tomaj> durt ill just use windows its easier that way
[08:41] <lenny_> hello
[08:41] <topyli> tomaj: it's true, i sometimes have to convert some oggs to mp3, but i only make copies without losing the oggs :)
[08:41] <durt> but wav is not lossy
[08:41] <durt> its the best out there
[08:41] <tomaj> imho its just easier to use nero because i dualboot, durt that would take longer lol
[08:42] <topyli> durt: flac is smaller, and lossless
[08:42] <lenny_> can someone help me:  I just compiled a 2.6.12 kernel from kernel.org, but for some reason it can't read my drive.  I enabled ext3 to be compiled in the kernel (not as a module).
[08:42] <durt> but it is still worse than wav because you can do more with wav
[08:42] <topyli> sure
[08:43] <durt> i love wav ...
[08:43] <tomaj> durt you must love big hdds too
[08:43] <topyli> hard drive manufacturers love you
[08:43] <durt> lol
[08:44] <durt> just delete the wavs after converting
[08:44] <pastyhermit> yay ubuntu is settin up :D
[08:44] <pastyhermit> hey tell me is there a way to automatically upgrade to the next version when it comes out?
[08:44] <topyli> durt: oh i thought you keep your music around as wavs :)
[08:44] <topyli> pastyhermit: yes
[08:44] <pastyhermit> I put it on the laptop but I had to take the HDD out and put it into another laptop that had a CDROM drive isntall then move it back
[08:45] <pastyhermit> topyli: yeah?
[08:45] <pastyhermit> Right now its "Registering Documentation" I wonder how long that will take
[08:45] <durt> pastyhermit: thats what im going to do!
[08:45] <topyli> pastyhermit: yes you can upgrade. just change the distribution name in your sources.list and upgrade
[08:45] <durt> tell me if your method works
[08:45] <pastyhermit> and 'upgrade'
[08:46] <lenny_> no help with the kernel change?
[08:46] <pastyhermit> durt it works I had to change a line in grub.conf off the menu cause it was booting into hdc instead of hda
[08:46] <topyli> pastyhermit: just one command (or click)
[08:46] <pastyhermit> this laptop is hdda the one I installed was hda
[08:46] <kemik> "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:46] <pastyhermit> topyli: what command?
[08:46] <pastyhermit> ahh ok
[08:46] <pastyhermit> thanx
[08:46] <topyli> pastyhermit: heh, upgrading already?
[08:46] <Fub> is there a boot command for using a different root directory?
[08:47] <pastyhermit> its runing scroll-keeper, heh its almost done
[08:47] <pastyhermit> Fub: sure just pass the argument to the kernel
[08:47] <topyli> Fub: grub has a command line, so you can pass any command to it
[08:48] <lenny_> ok, how about this:  Is there a way you can put ubuntu patches on a vanilla 2.6.12 kernel?
[08:48] <cafuego> *SNEEZE*
[08:48] <Fub> well... I'm booting from a livecd and I want to use hda2 as root
[08:48] <pastyhermit> well its fireing gnome
[08:48] <pastyhermit> linux root=/dev/hda2
[08:48] <cafuego> Fub: linux root=/dev/hda2
[08:48] <Fub> ok
[08:48] <Fub> thanks
[08:48] <pastyhermit> later dudes
[08:49] <pastyhermit> I gotta get this thing all setup
[08:49] <pastyhermit> late
[08:49] <pastyhermit> r/exit
[08:49] <cafuego> that may or may not work depending on initrd and kernel availability
[08:49] <cafuego> s/kernel/module/
[08:49] <topyli> lenny_: the ubuntu patches are only packaged for .10 and .11 but you might get them for .12 from breezy
[08:51] <durt> where can i find out how to patch my kernel right?
[08:51] <lenny_> I am getting the impression that ubuntu does something wierd with the filesystem.  2.6.12 won't synch on it.  I read on some forum that it would work as long as I picked ext3 to be compiled in the kernel, but this doens't appear to be true.
[08:51] <ketkar> !ndiswrapper
[08:51] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:52] <hardw1re> !nvidia
[08:52] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[08:52] <topyli> durt: the vanilla kernel has documentation (at least used to) on how to apply patches correctly
[08:53] <durt> ok
[08:53] <lenny_> How can I get the 2.6.12 breezy linux-source package?
[08:53] <lenny_> for x86_64
[08:53] <hardw1re> :o
[08:54] <Deanodriver> hmm
[08:54] <Deanodriver> !samba
[08:54] <ubotu> methinks samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[08:54] <hardw1re> wheres the optomizing nvidia page gone?!
[08:54] <Deanodriver> cool :)
[08:54] <topyli> lenny_: use the web search at packages.ubuntu.com, it's open source :)
[08:54] <james> is there anyway for me to install DOS on the same harddrive as Linux?
[08:54] <lenny_> cool, thanx?
[08:55] <durt> would it be a good idea to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.12 or just stick with 2.6.10?
[08:55] <lenny_> it's probably comical to see a newb like me screwin with the kernel crap :)
[08:55] <topyli> james: yes. if you only want dos (no windows), install a dos emulator like dosemu or dosbox
[08:55] <durt> yes lenny me too
[08:55] <topyli> james: so you don't need to dual boot
[08:56] <topyli> durt: it would be good to stay with your distro's stable kernel and not have to worry about it yourself. unless you have some compelling reason to upgrade
[08:56] <james> ok but I may need help actually installing the dos emulator on my system
[08:57] <jayparadise> when compiling a kernel does "make" automatically do make modules?
[08:57] <james> which is better dosemu or dosbox?
[08:57] <cafuego> jayparadise: then compiling a kernel, you should be using make-kpkg, which does.
[08:57] <topyli> james: first decide what you want. dosbox is better for old dos games, dosemu is more useful in everyday work
[08:57] <durt> i think im going to recompile because i need to install the experimental toshiba acpi driver
[08:58] <Ex-Cyber> james: depends on what you want to do, but generally I would say dosbox is more useful unless you have a slow processor
[08:58] <durt> so while im at it should i upgrade?
[08:58] <jayparadise> well make just got done
[08:58] <durt> or would that have few benefits?
[08:58] <jayparadise> now looks like i need make modules_install install
[08:58] <james> I just want to be able to play dos games
[08:58] <jayparadise> is that right?
[08:58] <topyli> durt: you probably won't gain anything. just grab the official ubuntu 2.6.10 sources and start hacking
[08:59] <durt> thanks
[08:59] <topyli> james: dosbox it is
[08:59] <james> can you recommend a site I can download it from?
[08:59] <topyli> james: it's in ubuntu. "sudo apt-get install dosbox"
[09:00] <james> I type that in terminal?
[09:00] <cafuego> jayparadise: install 'kernel-package' and read the docs. really.
[09:00] <benplaut> yeah
[09:00] <topyli> james: yes
[09:00] <james> I love you guys you are so much help
[09:00] <james> windows doesn't have help like this
[09:00] <lenny_> what does dosbox do?
[09:01] <ixiz> How do I install the msttcorefonts, on Ubuntuforums.com it says I should add "universe" repository and and download it afterwards with apt-get, but when I cache it, it does not find any msttcorefonts package, and I did a apt-get update
[09:01] <Madpilot> !tell ixiz about repos
[09:01] <topyli> james: you'll need more help in installing the games, but i have never played with dosbox, so...
[09:01] <durt> let me see ixiz
[09:02] <james> as long as it uses dos commands, I'm good to go
[09:02] <Madpilot> ixiz: the ms core fonts are in Multiverse, not Universe
[09:02] <P8ntKid> I installed Eterm, but i dont know how to run it...
[09:02] <jayparadise> i think i made the whole compilation pointless by doing make mrproper, i will install vmware and it will say " needs to be recompiled because it cant find autconf.h this may happen if you did make mrproper"
[09:02] <ixiz> lol
[09:02] <ixiz> eh maybe that's the reason
[09:02] <topyli> james: it could be that freedos (which dosbox comes with i think) is not sufficient for every game and you need to replace it with ms-dos. but try first
[09:03] <P8ntKid> How do you run eterm?
[09:03] <Madpilot> P8ntKid: probably type "eterm" at a command line
[09:04] <P8ntKid> Madpilot, I did
[09:04] <james> now it says E: Couldn't find package dosbox
[09:04] <P8ntKid> jon@Jonslinux:~$ eterm
[09:04] <P8ntKid> bash: eterm: command not found
[09:05] <P8ntKid> Thats what i got.
[09:05] <P8ntKid> But it is installed
[09:05] <Madpilot> P8ntKid: no idea, sorry. ask Google?
[09:05] <P8ntKid> i did
[09:05] <lenny_> crap
[09:05] <Madpilot> james: do you have Universe repos enabled? that's where dosbox is
[09:05] <sigit> h9yuhuiiuiuu
[09:05] <james> where do I enable Universe repos?
[09:06] <sigit> huy
[09:06] <IceDC571> why the hell does my sound blaster live sound so much better in linux?
[09:06] <Madpilot> !repos
[09:06] <topyli> P8ntKid: could be named "Eterm" with a capital E
[09:06] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:06] <benplaut> yup, it is
[09:06] <Madpilot> james: see ubotu's post above ^^^
[09:06] <james> k
[09:06] <sigit> trf7i
[09:06] <P8ntKid> topyli, Yep, that was it, Thanks!
[09:06] <sigit> gggg
[09:07] <Deanodriver> hmm
[09:07] <sigit> hai
[09:08] <sigit> popok basah
[09:08] <Deanodriver> is there any way to make a samba user not be able to log into this system?
[09:08] <sigit> james where are u
[09:08] <Deanodriver> ie: the user is only able to share files with samba
[09:08] <nate_> Uh I'm having a problem
[09:08] <Deanodriver> well, access shared files
[09:09] <james> I'm at that site, but I don't know where to go
[09:09] <nate_> Trying to install Java, through the Ubuntu Starter Guide.
[09:09] <nate_> I have never had this problem before.
[09:09] <Madpilot> james: just follow the directions on that AddingRepositories page...
[09:09] <Madpilot> !java
[09:09] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:09] <nate_> But now when I go to install it through the terminal it says it can't find it
[09:09] <topyli> Deanodriver: dunno, perhaps their login shell could be /bin/false. not sure
[09:09] <Madpilot> nate_: see ubotu above ^^^
[09:09] <Deanodriver> how do I do that?
[09:10] <ixiz> How do I add multiverse, if I only added Universe?
[09:10] <Deanodriver> i've only just added the user so other people on my network can access my shared files
[09:10] <james> oh ok I dig it
[09:10] <topyli> Deanodriver: in the "users and groups" tool in the system -> admin menu
[09:10] <ixiz> Should I just add the line "multiverse" in my sources.list ?
[09:10] <Deanodriver> ok then
[09:10] <Madpilot> !tell ixiz about repos
[09:10] <nate_> See that is the problem
[09:11] <lenny_> If I know my system uses the ATI IXP chipset IDE support in the kernel should I change it from module to being compiled in the kernel?  Does that add some sort of advantage?
[09:11] <nate_> I do that, and it still says it can't find java.
[09:11] <ixiz> Madpilot: yes but the first guide did not help
[09:11] <Deanodriver> and then change the shell in the advanced tab to /bin/false?
[09:11] <topyli> ixiz: just add multiverse on the line you have universe on. for example, see http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list
[09:11] <Madpilot> nate_: the package is called j2re...something - search for that
[09:11] <nate_> nothing
[09:11] <ixiz> thx
[09:12] <nate_> I may have screwed up the text file XD
[09:12] <nate_> anyway to restore it to its original settings?
[09:12] <Deanodriver> awesome, thanks a lot, time to try it out :)
[09:12] <Deanodriver> (by logging off and on again)
[09:12] <Deanodriver> actually
[09:12] <Madpilot> nate_: you need the hoary-extras repos enabled to get the j2re package
[09:12] <Deanodriver> that can wait
[09:13] <nate_> I know
[09:13] <nate_> I edited the file so I can get them
[09:13] <topyli> nate_: most editors make backups. if you have a file "foo.txt", you should have a backup file called "foo.txt~" in the same directory but it's hidden
[09:13] <Madpilot> ixiz: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:13] <sammie_> nate when you got the repos sorted i think
[09:13] <sammie_> only think its called sun-j2re1.5
[09:13] <nate_> "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup"
[09:13] <nate_> "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:13] <nate_> So does that mean there is a backup?
[09:13] <durt> it sure does
[09:13] <topyli> i guess
[09:14] <nate_> Okay, how can I get it/
[09:14] <Madpilot> nate_: see that URL I posted for ixiz above - it's got a complete list of official and unofficial Ubuntu repos
[09:14] <nate_> I screwed up the text file Madpilot, I'm trying to figure out how to restore it so I can fix it.
[09:15] <durt> "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list_backup /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:15] <Madpilot> nate_: use that URL, it's a sources.list paste
[09:15] <Deanodriver> thanks a lot, seems to work :)
[09:15] <ixiz> Madpilot: I found out, I just needed to knew if the solution was to add 'multiverse' after each 'universe' line in sources.list, and now it works :)
[09:15] <nate_> found it, never mind
[09:15] <nate_> thanks guys
[09:15] <ixiz> and thank you for the help
[09:17] <james> Hey it's working woohoo
[09:18] <IceDC571> how would i transcode an avi file to a dvd compatible format?
[09:18] <james> ok so now how do I use dosbox?
[09:19] <sammie_> james .............. run dosbox
[09:19] <topyli> james: i don't have the slightest idea. just run "dosbox" and you should have dos
[09:19] <sammie_> and type intro in your newly formed dos window
[09:20] <james> don't mind me I'm a dough-head
[09:20] <ketkar> !w2codecs
[09:20] <ubotu> ketkar: Not a clue
[09:20] <ketkar> !codecs
[09:20] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <james> I typed dosbox and now I have dos
[09:20] <topyli> congratulations on the regression :)
[09:21] <james> thank you
[09:21] <BirdFish> I'm having a bunch of problems getting my ntfs drive to mount on here.
[09:21] <BirdFish> Can someone please help?
[09:21] <lenny_> I think you have to first type something like "apt-get install ntfs"
[09:21] <Belutz> !ntfs
[09:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[09:22] <lenny_> Or you can do what smart people do
[09:22] <durt> icedc5235325354: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/348719
[09:23] <nate_> nate@MR-KICK-ASS:~$ su
[09:23] <nate_> Password:
[09:23] <nate_> root@MR-KICK-ASS:/home/nate # apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[09:23] <nate_> Reading package lists... Done
[09:23] <nate_> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:23] <nate_> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[09:23] <nate_> root@MR-KICK-ASS:/home/nate #
[09:23] <nate_> root@MR-KICK-ASS:/home/nate #
[09:23] <BirdFish> ubotu: right now, I can mount the drive and see it as root, but when I go to click it in "computer" it flashes a windows and then closes
[09:23] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, BirdFish
[09:23] <lenny_> btw- thanx for the packages.ubuntu.com .  ya'll changed my whole world :)
[09:24] <nate_> AFTER I did the extra repos
[09:24] <durt> ubotu: i love you
[09:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, durt
[09:24] <durt> IceDC571: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/348719
[09:25] <topyli> nate_: please don't paste entire shell sessions on the channel
[09:25] <lenny_> Maybe I should start using slackware or gentoo
[09:25] <IceDC571> durt: thanks :)
[09:25] <nate_> Sorry, didn't know it was against rules :(
[09:25] <topyli> read the topic :)
[09:26] <sammie_> sun-j2re1.5 is already the newest version.
[09:26] <orlok> hey, the new kernel has support fot sata_uli
[09:26] <sammie_> sun-j2re1.5 is already the newest version. ;)
[09:26] <orlok> any suggestions on how to move a disk running ubunto from sata_via to sata_uli?
[09:26] <sammie_> its there somwhere
[09:26] <nate_> its not working.
[09:26] <nate_> I've done this many times.
[09:27] <nate_> I don't get it.
[09:27] <chrismy> do i need to check(MD5SUMS) the ubuntu linux installation after downloading?
[09:27] <sammie_> =\
[09:27] <topyli> chrismy: it's smart, to ensure your download was successful
[09:28] <durt> nate_: did you "apt-get update"?
[09:29] <lenny__> what the hell was that
[09:29] <chrismy> topyli, thanks. what is the command for checking and which MD5SUMS to use? i am now downloading the AMD64install http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/
[09:29] <topyli> chrismy: on linux, you use "md5sum" :)
[09:30] <chrismy> topyli, without the 's' at the back?
[09:30] <topyli> chrismy: and the md5sum to see should be clearly named according to the disk image. (yes, no 's')
[09:31] <chrismy> topyli, ahh ok let me find where is it in the page
[09:32] <durt> is there a more detailed gnome app like system monitor available?
[09:32] <chrismy> topyli, no none of it which named accordingly or without the 's'
[09:32] <chrismy> *them
[09:32] <Tzi> If anyone does have a copy of dvb-dibusb-5.0.0.11.fw, from  http://linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/dvb-kernel/firmware/dvb-dibusb-5.0.0.11.fw?rev=1.1& or http://www.linuxtv.org/download/dvb/firmware .... Please please let me know =) I'm desperate!
[09:33] <chrismy> topyli, what should i do? ubuntu does not have that to let us check?
[09:33] <ycomb> howdy, running into a problem here with breezy colony 3 install - just up and hangs trying to install language-support-en update. Any ideas appreciated. :)
[09:33] <topyli> chrismy: the MD5SUMS file has the sums for all the images
[09:34] <chrismy> topyli, 46135038af6dd2ef36fd8d521afe7de4  ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso    ok i see mine there. so what should i do next?
[09:34] <lenny__> does anyone know why the ubuntu file system isn't readable from other distro's livecd's or the vanilla kernel?
[09:35] <Thardas> Shouldn't Mozilla Firefox be included in the default installation?
[09:35] <topyli> chrismy: run "md5sum ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso" in your download directory and compare the result with the one in the MD5SUMS file
[09:35] <lenny__> They both give similar errors something about unreadable block 0 or whatever
[09:35] <Madpilot> Thardas: it is
[09:35] <Thardas> Madpilot: I installed Kubuntu and there's just the language pack.
[09:35] <Thardas> Strange.
[09:36] <topyli> chrismy: it's easy to see, if your image is bad, the result will look completely different. no need to go character by character
[09:36] <Madpilot> Thardas: heh, no idea about Kubuntu, but it's certainly installed by default in Ubuntu
[09:36] <Thardas> I'll try #kubuntu. :) Thanks for help.
[09:37] <chrismy> topyli, ah that is all?(rhetoric). THanks man! i will do that later. i am still downloading ite image file. good conection but bad service
[09:37] <topyli> ok
[09:38] <chrismy> ok must go now to bring my mum home from work...cathc you all later!
[09:39] <brad> is anyone elses comp running way faster after these recent breezy updates?
[09:39] <ycomb> ok - I guess no one has seen that problem. Can hoary install onto LVM, so that I can go that route and get back to breezy with a dist-upgrade?
[09:40] <IceDC571> wait a minute.. if i saved a file with gedit as blahblah without a file extension.. how does it know its a text file?
[09:40] <IceDC571> very interesting..
[09:40] <aleitner> if i manually install a new gnome panel applet. how can i make it visible in the "add to panel" dialog, without logging out and logging back in?
[09:40] <Madpilot> IceDC571: Linux is smarter than Windows
[09:40] <IceDC571> aleitner: killall gnome-panel
[09:41] <topyli> IceDC571: unix doesn't care about filename extensions
[09:41] <aleitner> IceDC571: wow, that sounds rather rude (;
[09:41] <IceDC571> i know unix doesnt care about file extensions, im just surprised it knows what to open the file with
[09:41] <topyli> aleitner: it will respawn
[09:42] <IceDC571> aleitner: its the command you use to reload the gnome-panel
[09:42] <aleitner> topyli: i know. but still (;
[09:42] <topyli> IceDC571: run the "file" command on any file, like "file foo.txt"
[09:42] <aleitner> IceDC571: i thought there might be a "nicer" way to do it. anyway it didnt work. i guess i will have to re-login...
[09:42] <Madpilot> some of the individual apps aren't as smart. GIMP saved & reopened a jpg with no file extension, but OO refused to import it until it had an extension...
[09:43] <IceDC571> well OO is cross-platform, so theres your answer
[09:43] <topyli> Madpilot: OOo might have some windows legacy there :)
[09:43] <IceDC571> topyli: totally
[09:43] <Madpilot> topyli: probably
[09:43] <IceDC571> i dont know what to use.. openoffice or abiword
[09:44] <IceDC571> i've tried both but, i just want to know which one is more compatible with file standards
[09:45] <Madpilot> does abiword deal with MS formats like OO does?
[09:45] <topyli> IceDC571: OOo is still better with MS formats. gnumeric may handle Excel files a bit better, but abiword still has problems with .docs
[09:45] <osfameron> OOo doesn't deal with about 50% of MS Word documents I get sent
[09:45] <topyli> osfameron: OOo 1 or 2?
[09:45] <osfameron> the one with Hoary
[09:45] <Madpilot> osfameron: interesting. haven't had any problems myself
[09:45] <topyli> me neither
[09:46] <topyli> OOo2 is even better
[09:46] <osfameron> actually, the 50% problem is what I had when I tried on Windows a year ago
[09:46] <sammie_> for word documents i use word .......... =x
[09:46] <osfameron> the 2 documents I tried to open with Hoary didn't work, so that's 100%
[09:46] <topyli> heh
[09:46] <osfameron> (but a very small sample)
[09:46] <Madpilot> very small. your statistical analysis needs some work! ;)
[09:47] <topyli> osfameron: what sort of docs? very technical, with math equations and tables? or what is the problem?
[09:47] <osfameron> Madpilot, but then I loath OOo already, so I don't need much persuasion :-)
[09:47] <{GuNNeR}> could someone help me regarding getting my s-video out on my laptop to work in ubuntu?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> osfameron, the OOo guys are pretty receptive about those kinds of issues
[09:47] <osfameron> topyli, it was a word attachment with the agenda for our residents association meeting
[09:47] <osfameron> I saw it printed out, pretty banal really
[09:47] <Burgundavia> osfameron, email them the .doc and they will look into tit
[09:48] <topyli> osfameron: doesn't sound like much. file some bugs!
[09:48] <Madpilot> osfameron: that sort of thing should be sent around as PDF anyway...
[09:48] <topyli> Madpilot: that sort of thing should be text in the email, not an attachment at all :)
[09:48] <osfameron> Madpilot, yes, and pigs should fly also
[09:49] <Madpilot> topyli: true enough, but people like their fancy formatting! ;)
[09:49] <osfameron> I'll happily pass around the cluestick to inexperienced IT colleagues
[09:49] <osfameron> but I'm not about to start lecturing my resident's association and random family and friends
[09:49] <topyli> Madpilot: i just got a confirmation on my attendance in a conference. in an excel spreadsheet no less :)
[09:49] <Madpilot> Ouch
[09:49] <osfameron> invitations to company events in Powerpoint is always nice too :-)
[09:49] <topyli> yah :)
[09:50] <ubuntu> Micro-snatch?
[09:50] <ubuntu> dfgh
[09:51] <ubuntu> Micro-snatch?
[09:51] <ketkar> !java
[09:51] <ubotu> java is, like, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:51] <topyli> Madpilot: i guess i'll confirm by writing "yes i'll come" on a napking, taking a photo and sending it as a jpeg :)
[09:51] <DrSpin> so I'm trying to rip a CD -- it's ony; ripping at 2.5x -_-
[09:51] <DrSpin> *only
[09:51] <topyli> napkin even
[09:51] <Madpilot> topyli: heh. great idea
[09:51] <osfameron> gah, Openoffice specifically states that their support mailing lists are public, even mail to webmaster etc.
[09:51] <DrSpin> dma is enabled and I tried setting unmaskIRQ to see if it sped it up any -- nope -- anyone got any ideas?
[09:51] <ubuntu> Micro-snatch?
[09:52] <DrSpin> ??
[09:52] <ubuntu> Micro-snatch?
[09:52] <osfameron> I don't really want to forward a residents assoc. agenda to a public mailing list, not that it's all that private, but I don't much like the idea
[09:53] <DrSpin> LOL -- I'm using Grip and CDParanoia with paranoia off
[09:53] <Madpilot> osfameron: fair enough point....
[09:53] <mypapit> DrSpin, *cough* *cough*
[09:53] <DrSpin> mypapit: LOL
[09:54] <hussam> Will the game nexuiz run on hoary?
[09:54] <bartekp> hi
[09:54] <topyli> all nethack lovers look at today's user friendly comic :)
[09:54] <durt> hussam yes
[09:55] <DrSpin> mypapit: any ideas? or just germs? -- thank by the way ;)
[09:55] <hussam> durt: ok cool. I'll download it from sourceforge
[09:56] <Madpilot> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050816  <-- Bill is probably not amused...
[09:57] <durt> hussam: you need the linux version (.run not .zip)
[09:57] <durt> hussam here: http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6&gameid=64
[09:58] <cihad> hi
[09:58] <DrSpin> ao snyone??
[09:58] <cihad> what is default username and password webmin
[09:59] <DrSpin> w00t -- up to 4.2x now  :/
[09:59] <DrSpin> it used to rip at 8-10x then I reinstalled :/
[09:59] <cihad> what
[09:59] <cihad> what is default username and password webmin
[09:59] <ketkar> !backports
[09:59] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[10:00] <topyli> cihad: you need to enable root logins for a while and login to webmin as root. then make another webmin user (you) with all the permissions. then disable root again
[10:00] <hussam> durt: http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6&gameid=64 gives an error
[10:01] <durt> hussam: i had that too - just download the torrent
[10:01] <hussam> durt: I can't do p2p, I'm behind proxy
[10:01] <durt> oh...
[10:02] <cihad> what is default root username and password ?:(
[10:02] <XomboX> hi, is it possible to install Ubuntu and still keep Windows XP?? I mean a multi-system disk.
[10:02] <topyli> cihad: there is none, root logins are disabled completely
[10:02] <topyli> !rootsudo
[10:02] <ubotu> rootsudo is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:02] <Madpilot> !root
[10:02] <ubotu> somebody said root was disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:03] <Madpilot> XomboX: you can keep XP, why you'd want to is another matter... ;)
[10:03] <Madpilot> XomboX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[10:03] <dcuny> The main problem with installing XP and Linux on the same box is that Windows likes to overwrite the MBR...
[10:03] <durt> hussam: if your able i could upload it to you overnight
[10:04] <DrSpin> can n e one tell me why I'm only ripping Cd's at 4x ??? DMA=on; idecore=66
[10:04] <XomboX> Madpilot: thank you
[10:04] <durt> dcuny, install windows first
[10:04] <dcuny> Urm... Yes, I just thought I'd point out the obvious. :-)
[10:04] <hussam> durt: I'm not directly connected to the internet so that won't work
[10:04] <KarlosII> durt I just livecd to change the mbr back
[10:05] <hussam> durt: the zip it what? the source?
[10:05] <XomboX> dcuny: I have allready installed win XP and I would like to try Unbuntu and do not lose my old system and be able to choose which I would like to boot at the start of my pc
[10:06] <cyphase> how long until you don't need to restart your computer for a new kernel?
[10:06] <cyphase> :)
[10:06] <Madpilot> XomboX: Ubuntu can set that up for you on install - check that URL
[10:07] <osfameron> cyphase, I'm enjoying not having to restart for new software :-)
[10:07] <XomboX> Madpilot: okie, I will check it out
[10:07] <cyphase> osfameron, me too :)
[10:07] <dcuny> The document Madpilot linked to should answer most of your questions.
[10:08] <nalioth> y'all be good
[10:08] <hussam> durt: the zip is the source?
[10:08] <nalioth> quit
[10:08] <cyphase> unlike other operating system, which need to restart whenever they download an image update
[10:08] <cyphase> *souch* windows *cough*
[10:08] <nalioth>  /quit i say
[10:08] <osfameron> and macosx on some updates
[10:08] <dcuny> Question: I'm running the LiveCD, and wondered if I can mount my hard drive. The DiskManager shows them, but I can't figure out how to mount them.
[10:09] <cyphase> dcuny, try adding the disk mounter applet to the panel
[10:09] <cyphase> i've never tried it though. it might not work
[10:09] <durt> hussam: sources and windows stuff
[10:09] <dcuny> OK. I see the removable media, but not the hard drive.
[10:09] <hussam> durt: I'll download the zip and try to compile it from source then
[10:10] <XomboX> MadPilot: and is it necessary to download the System Rescue CD ISO image, I am not able to download :-(( because of my deadly connection speed
[10:10] <kemik> !realplayer
[10:10] <ubotu> realplayer is probably http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:11] <equex> anyone heard of linux breaking chipsets/etc ?
[10:11] <equex> cos after i installed ubuntu, my computer started freezing up.. now even in windows..
[10:11] <cyphase> dcuny, mount -t FILE_SYSTEM /dev/DRIVE_ID /the/mount/path
[10:11] <kemik> equex:  really?
[10:11] <cyphase> with sudo
[10:11] <Madpilot> XomboX: you mean the LiveCD? not if you're sure you want to install - just grab the Install CD
[10:12] <cyphase> sudo mount -t FILE_SYSTEM /dev/DRIVE_ID /the/mount/path
[10:12] <equex> yeah kemik :(
[10:12] <azriel0184> hi guys, what do i need to do to be able to use startx?
[10:12] <equex> and one of my ramsticks suddenly got over 40 errors on it, had to remove uit
[10:13] <kemik> i dont think it was linux fault though
[10:13] <azriel0184> i get this message when i try: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[10:13] <kemik> most likely a bad chip to begin with
[10:13] <XomboX> MadPilot: no, I mean the third step no the page you have sent me ("3. Download the System Rescue CD ISO image (100 MB very useful softwares)")
[10:13] <kemik> azriel0184:  have you somehow mucked up the permissions so only root may startx?
[10:14] <kemik> azriel0184:  try "sudo startx" ... (not that it's recommended)
[10:14] <azriel0184> kemik, i havnt touched them, but maybe thats it. how do i set the permissions?
[10:14] <Ol1v1a> HHHHHHHHHH
[10:14] <kemik> azriel0184:  "man chmod"
[10:14] <Ol1v1a> ooooooooo
[10:14] <azriel0184> kemik, that workes
[10:15] <azriel0184> kemik, just chmod the X executable?
[10:15] <Madpilot> XomboX: to be honest, I'm not sure. Both Ubuntu installs on this box have been onto blank drives...
[10:15] <azriel0184> i thought it might be a config file somewhere :)
[10:15] <kemik> azriel0184:  depends.. im not sure what you've done.. but you should not have to use sudo to startx
[10:15] <topyli> azriel0184: chmod +x filename.foo
[10:16] <azriel0184> topyli, i know how to use chmod
[10:16] <TomT64> where's the doc and faq on how to mount your windows drive
[10:16] <XomboX> MadPilot: okie, I understand
[10:16] <kemik> !ntfs
[10:16] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[10:16] <kemik> ther you go TomT64
[10:16] <topyli> azriel0184: ok :)
[10:16] <AlexC> hey guys, i am an ubuntu newbie and just loaded the live cd. i went to open up firefox and my internet didnt work (i have adsl connected to a router) any suggestions?
[10:16] <TomT64> thank you
[10:16] <TomT64> wait wait
[10:16] <TomT64> where's the step by step on it?
[10:17] <TomT64> didn't there used to be one?
[10:17] <kemik> AlexC:  do you have DHCP or static IP? (most likely dhcp, no? )
[10:17] <DrSpin> AlexC -- what type of router?
[10:17] <dcuny> re: mounting the hard drive. I'm running plain old vfat, not ntfs.
[10:17] <azriel0184> root@benny:/usr/X11R6/bin # ll X
[10:17] <azriel0184> -rwsr-sr-x  1 root root 7664 2005-04-06 02:06 X
[10:17] <kemik> TomT64:  why dont just read the link?
[10:17] <robotgeek> AlexC: sbc?
[10:17] <DrSpin> AlexC: I work for 2Wire :)
[10:17] <kemik> dcuny:  follow ubotu's link
[10:17] <binchillin> he left! thats my question too
[10:18] <TomT64> kemik: because you guys are supposed to be helpful and stuff :(   I know there used to be some simple step by step on it
[10:18] <AlexC> kemik probly dhcp, but not sure
[10:18] <user1> anyone:how do I add NFS to my ubuntu system
[10:18] <kemik> TomT64:  i am helpful, now read the damn link
[10:18] <TomT64> XD
[10:18] <TomT64> it's just an fstab
[10:18] <kemik> TomT64:  or use "man mount" or search the wiki.. but that link is your best option imo
[10:18] <AlexC> DrSpin a broadband four port router
[10:18] <kemik> TomT64:  no. its a bash-script
[10:18] <robotgeek> AlexC: is it a D-Link?
[10:19] <kemik> TomT64:  that will automagically mount your partitions.. PLEASE READ?
[10:19] <jklappenbach> OK, I'm back...
[10:19] <TomT64> will it mount from other drives?
[10:19] <robotgeek> AlexC: basically, can you connect to your router to configure it?
[10:19] <kemik> TomT64:  read? try? please?
[10:19] <jklappenbach> I'm having issues connecting to hosts via mozilla.
[10:19] <DrSpin> AlexC: who is your service provider?? type # ifconfig what is your IP Addres??
[10:19] <TomT64> hey cmon, humanity to others
[10:19] <LoveBug356> userl: add nfs-kernel-server from apt
[10:19] <AlexC> # ifconfig
[10:20] <kemik> TomT64:  you're just being an asshat..
[10:20] <user1> anyone: when I type mount -t nfs localhost:/tmp/junk /tmp/junk1, the comp tells me connection refused. Why is this?
[10:20] <AlexC> DrSpin aapt
[10:20] <jklappenbach> I'm on a wifi card.  I'm obviously able to connect via the gaim client, and I'm also able to ping from the command line.
[10:20] <kemik> "# This utility searches for available HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions, creates
[10:20] <kemik> # mount points for them and adds them to /etc/fstab"
[10:20] <TomT64> no, I'm just asking questions.  Aside from which, this appears to only mount ntfs
[10:20] <TomT64> ok
[10:20] <kemik> TomT64:  yes, i see your reading skills are below a 5 year olds :(
[10:20] <TomT64> got it thank you
[10:20] <LoveBug356> userl: this can be that there is a firewall between the to machines
[10:20] <kemik> TomT64:  finally.. :(
[10:21] <dcuny> Groovy, it would have worked, had I not screwed things up by mis-mounting them with the 'disks' tool. :?
[10:21] <jklappenbach> Any suggestions on how I can debug?  Does mozilla leave a log?
[10:21] <TomT64> kemik: I think you don't understand the spirit of ubuntu
[10:21] <kemik> TomT64:  i do, but you refuse to do as instructed and it *really* pisses me of
[10:21] <TomT64> It doesn't matter if someone doesn't get it, you keep trying NICELY until they do
[10:21] <binchillin> Two questions from n00b:need help connecting to dial up, and i can't find my floppy drive. gnoppix live install...um is it installed if its live?
[10:21] <TomT64> or you shut up
[10:22] <user1> lovebug356: its the localhost, though...
[10:22] <LoveBug356> userl: try firestarter to see if it is true
[10:22] <topyli> mellow down please
[10:22] <KarlosII> kemik: your out of line
[10:22] <user1> ok
[10:22] <LoveBug356> userl: you still make a network connection
[10:23] <KarlosII> kemik: I will NOT tolerate this channel becoming full anal asses like #debian is
[10:23] <user1> lovebug356: firestarter is not installed on my system
[10:23] <DrSpin> TomT64: This channel is not the place if you are looking for the "spirit" of Ubuntu -- all of your answers are on ubuntuguide.org -- but we aren't supposed to recommend it in here... because it's "unofficial" -- This channel was great back in the Warty days
[10:23] <KarlosII> full of
[10:23] <kemik> KarlosII:  heh yes, #debian is great. but really i tried getting him to read the page on 5 lines
[10:23] <KarlosII> DrSpin: this CHANNEL IS TO BE HELPFUL TO NOOBS
[10:23] <jklappenbach> OK, kemik, perhaps you can help me then and take a break from what you were doing?
[10:24] <kemik> jklappenbach:  yes, whats the problem ?
[10:24] <jklappenbach> :)
[10:24] <TomT64> Ok first of all, I'm not stupid.  I just didn't believe that it could possibly magically load every partition and drive.  It seemed beyond the scope of my imagination
[10:24] <Wilf> who wants to help an out of date noob :\
[10:24] <KarlosII> Remember most NOOBS in this channel ar converts from Microsoft
[10:24] <Wilf> like me
[10:24] <TomT64> second, I thought it was only NTFS because the bot said so.  SOmeone should fix that
[10:24] <jklappenbach> OK, I've been through a few hoops, but basically, I can't get Mozilla Firefox to access anything.
[10:24] <kemik> TomT64:  that's fine, but please follow instructions
[10:24] <KarlosII> so give them a break.
[10:24] <Wilf> j9ust installed ubuntu
[10:25] <Wilf> at a terminal screen
[10:25] <Wilf> how do i enable the root account?
[10:25] <jklappenbach> I can ping a site from the cl, my wifi driver reports that it's connected, and I'm even hooked up here.
[10:25] <Wilf> or, what's the default root password?
[10:25] <Madpilot> Wilf: no such thing in Ubuntu
[10:25] <Madpilot> !root
[10:25] <ubotu> from memory, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:25] <user1> anyone: how can I determine if a firewall is blocking my NFS connections to localhost ?
[10:25] <jklappenbach> But mozilla acts like I don't have a connection.
[10:25] <topyli> TomT64: yeah, perhaps ubotu is wrong. the script, however, should work (i've never needed it, but have read it)
[10:25] <kemik> jklappenbach:  using some weird proxy-setting in firefox?
[10:25] <mindspin> Wilf use sudo
[10:25] <TomT64> third I thought there was some guide out there which taught me how to do it last time, without a magic script, and that was what I was looking for.
[10:25] <Wilf> sorry, i've never used iot, only mandrake back in the 9.x days :\
[10:25] <kemik> !ubotu forget ntfs
[10:25] <ubotu> kemik: i forgot ntfs
[10:25] <LoveBug356> userl: just install firestarter
[10:25] <TomT64> yeah it does look like magic
[10:26] <DrSpin> Wilf: passwd root
[10:26] <Madpilot> !tell Wilf about root
[10:26] <DrSpin> Wilf: I suggest you use sudo instead
[10:26] <binchillin> how did i get ubuntu, when ithought i had gnoppix?
[10:26] <LoveBug356> userl: it is a program to watch your firewall
[10:26] <Wilf> ok sudo is good
[10:26] <Wilf> how do i start x?
[10:26] <user1> lovebug356: if firestarter is not on my system does that mean I don't have a firewall running?
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bina, gnoppix is ubuntu
[10:26] <jklappenbach> Thought that might be the case, but I didn't do anything to configure it.  I was using this laptop in my office, and a few of the settings the network manager held through (I put my laptop into hibernate and left for home and popped it open again) created problems.
[10:26] <Burgundavia> binchillin, gnoppix is ubuntu
[10:26] <DrSpin> Wilf: it's MUCH more secure and becomes rather convenient after a short time
[10:27] <LoveBug356> userl: no, firestarter is not the firewall it is just a grafical frontend
[10:27] <kemik> !ubotu ntfs is ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . This utility searches for available HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions, creates mount points for them and adds them to /etc/fstab.
[10:27] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, kemik
[10:27] <DrSpin> Wilf: the sudo password is YOUR password
[10:27] <Madpilot> kemik: we can edit ubotu's entries now, use "ubotu, no, <foo> is <new entry>" to change things
[10:27] <Burgundavia> Wilf, call gdm
[10:27] <Wilf> aight
[10:27] <kemik> too long
[10:27] <binchillin> ah, why not call it ubunto in the first place, that freaked me out
[10:27] <jklappenbach> But no, no proxy settings for mozilla.  Direct connect to the internet.
[10:27] <user1> lovebug356: OK, I'll install it now
[10:27] <kemik> !ubotu ntfs is ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[10:27] <ubotu> kemik: what are you talking about?
[10:27] <Madpilot> kemik: not too long, just don't start it with both ! and ubotu...
[10:27] <Burgundavia> binchillin, error in gnoppix, for not removing the branding
[10:27] <kemik> ubotu ntfs is ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[10:27] <Coyctecm> Is there any channel where can discuss with more challenged topics about ubuntu?
[10:27] <TomT64> Madpilot: ha, love the syntax
[10:27] <kemik> Madpilot:  ah ty :)
[10:28] <KarlosII> heh
[10:28] <binchillin> lol
[10:28] <Wilf> ok, all i've done is installed the OS
[10:28] <Madpilot> talking to bots - a dialect I didn't think existed a few months ago... ;)
[10:28] <mindspin> I wanna add a user with restricted access to several programs, is there an easy way to do this?
[10:28] <Wilf> and got to the point this morniung where it asked me to take out the disk and reboot
[10:28] <kemik> Coyctecm:  that would be here, i think
[10:28] <Wilf> but i had to go to school, so i just turned it off
[10:28] <Wilf> i turned it on this afternoon
[10:29] <Wilf> am presented with a blank terminal
[10:29] <Wilf> how do i start x and get things started?
[10:29] <kemik> jklappenbach:  so, there are no proxy settings in mozilla? (you've checked? )
[10:29] <Madpilot> mindspin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddUsersHowto
[10:29] <mindspin> haha
[10:29] <jklappenbach> yep, direct connect.
[10:29] <kemik> Madpilot:  and yes, i think ubotu is open for everyone noe
[10:29] <kemik> !tell kemik about ntfs
[10:29] <mindspin> thats very basic and doesn't help ;-)
[10:29] <binchillin> is this newbie channel?
[10:29] <KarlosII> yes
[10:29] <binchillin> ok
[10:30] <Coyctecm> I was just thinking that here are too many people asking same questions all over again... One asks something, someone other answers..no discussion at all :/
[10:30] <kemik> Coyctecm:  mmh yeah.. but sometimes there's discussion too
[10:30] <KarlosII> Coyctecm: then make a FAQ
[10:30] <binchillin> noob talk
[10:30] <KarlosII> :)
[10:30] <TomT64> so anyoen happen to know a way for a makefile to get the cflags and lflags for python?  like sdl has "sdl-config --cflags"
[10:30] <kemik> breezy will have a official faq
[10:30] <jklappenbach> By the way, kemik, if you recall our conversation yesterday, I've been busy.  I got chroot setup with a 32bit ubuntu sandbox.  Now I have 64 bit hoary with 32 bit availability for firefox and flash.
[10:30] <Coyctecm> KarlosII: I could =)
[10:31] <TomT64> !tell TOmT64 about NTFS
[10:31] <jklappenbach> Could it be that the 32bit version of firefox is causing issues?
[10:31] <TomT64> !tell TOmT64 about ntfs
[10:31] <KarlosII> kemik that would be nice, and it woudl be nice if it was a comprehensive faq
[10:31] <The_Vox> is breezy usable now?
[10:31] <TomT64> oops
[10:31] <dcuny> Wilf: There are several 'screens' available. You can toggle between them using Ctrl+Alt+F1 throught Ctrl+Alt+F7.
[10:31] <jklappenbach> Breezy is usable but unstable.
[10:31] <kemik> KarlosII:  think it will be, since it's official i hope it will ;)
[10:31] <KarlosII> The_Vox: not really
[10:31] <Coyctecm> hmm for hoary how about http://ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[10:31] <The_Vox> KarlosII: so...Colony 3 = alpha?
[10:31] <dcuny> Wilf: Are you sure you're on the graphics page? (Ctrl+Alt+F7)
[10:32] <kemik> jklappenbach:  possibly, but i've never used a 64bit system so i dont know about conflicts etc... :/
[10:32] <topyli> !ubuntuguide
[10:32] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[10:32] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[10:32] <chrismy> topyli, hey good! the characters are all good! thanks!
[10:32] <KarlosII> !colony
[10:32] <ubotu> Wish i knew, KarlosII
[10:32] <binchillin> ok, i want to figure this out myself as much as possible, but i cannot see my floppy, im being run by gnoppix live
[10:32] <kemik> jklappenbach:  and im afraid i'll have to go study some now... exam coming up
[10:32] <Burgundavia> topyli, Madpilot geez, you guys beat me too it
[10:32] <user1> lovebug356: apt-get Couldn't find package firestarter
[10:32] <topyli> chrismy: nice
[10:32] <KarlosII> The_Vox: what do you think is?
[10:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: it's Pavlovian response... ;)
[10:32] <Ol1v1a> haiiiiiiiiiii
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Coyctecm, see the ubuntuguide blurb that ubotu just spat out
[10:32] <chrismy> topyli, yup they matched :D
[10:32] <jklappenbach> But, then again, I can run either the 32 bit and 64 bit version and same results.
[10:32] <TomT64> Is there a way to list the bot's commands?
[10:33] <Madpilot> !list
[10:33] <ubotu> it has been said that list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:33] <The_Vox> KarlosII: I've been disconnected for the last week or so...which means I have no clue at the moment :)
[10:33] <Coyctecm> yes true ubotu, there is just copy/paste stuff...nothing to learn for a newbie
[10:33] <TomT64> !list
[10:33] <topyli> chrismy: so burn baby burn :)
[10:33] <dcuny> Wilf: If all else fails, 'startx' should restart the X server if it's failed.
[10:33] <cew> haiii
[10:33] <LoveBug356> userl: check your repos it is in hoary and in the backports
[10:33] <kemik> !tell kemik about ntfs
[10:33] <chrismy> topyli, :P  naw i am booting from usb pen drive.
[10:33] <mindspin> #
[10:33] <KarlosII> The_Vox: is for ppl to test and help eliminate bugs
[10:33] <kemik> did i fubar the !ntfs ?
[10:33] <kemik> !ntfs
[10:33] <ubotu> No idea, kemik
[10:33] <kemik> oh crap
[10:33] <user1> lovebug356: don't know how to check or change the repository
[10:34] <KarlosII> I woudl classify that as beta, but technically it's barely graduated from alpha
[10:34] <Madpilot> kemik: looks like it - you fixing it now?
[10:34] <binchillin> !ubuntu/linux chat translator
[10:34] <chrismy> topyli, pen dirve is very expensive but better than the burner. i don't use to burn CDs so a waste
[10:34] <ubotu> binchillin: Are you smoking crack?
[10:34] <binchillin> lol
[10:34] <KarlosII> heh
[10:34] <chrismy> topyli, so is it possible to boot from usb pen drive?
[10:34] <kemik> ubotu ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[10:34] <ubotu> kemik: okay
[10:34] <kemik> !ntfs
[10:34] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[10:34] <kemik> fine
[10:34] <mgcross> Hey all! Anyone know how I can add xmms-visualizations for use with Amarok WITHOUT installing xmms...don't want it, don't need it...but apt and synaptic want to add it because, of course, it's a dependency...I've dug around for quite a while on my own before I came crawling here for help...
[10:34] <KarlosII> usb = universal serial bus
[10:34] <cew> hai
[10:34] <The_Vox> KarlosII: that much I figured....my question is...is it alpha or beta quality? I can live with beta (an app crashing every 3 or 4 days) but alpha (system dead bugs) is not for me at all
[10:34] <TomT64> probably?
[10:35] <LoveBug356> userl: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:35] <topyli> chrismy: some boxes (bioses) might. normally i would use a cdrw disk
[10:35] <The_Vox> KarlosII: which is why I asked if Colony 3 is alpha quality
[10:35] <chrismy> topyli, :(
[10:35] <KarlosII> oh u added wuality
[10:35] <KarlosII> quality :)
[10:35] <KarlosII> imho still alpha
[10:36] <The_Vox> KarlosII: good enough answer...I'll wait for the next one lol!
[10:36] <chrismy> topyli, according to the mother board(i will get my new machine after this yay!), it will boot from usb. but i am not sure whether or not linux can be installed in that way
[10:36] <cew> leh knalan gak
[10:36] <topyli> chrismy: yeah, the ubuntu installer wants to run from a cd i think
[10:36] <Wilf> i think the install is borked
[10:36] <chrismy> cew, are you malay?
[10:37] <chrismy> topyli, sh*t
[10:37] <chrismy> topyli, but no harm of trying eh? hehe
[10:37] <topyli> chrismy: use an rw, it's not wasted then
[10:37] <topyli> chrismy: you can try of course :)
[10:37] <jklappenbach> Anyone in here know why I can use gaim, but firefox acts like I have no connection?
[10:37] <chrismy> topyli, hmm ok how many time can the RWCD be used?
[10:38] <chrismy> topyli, i was told some hundred times only
[10:38] <topyli> chrismy: i have never come across a cdrw that could not be written to, and i have some very old ones
[10:39] <chrismy> topyli, wow! really!!???? they can be written many many many times??? almost infinite????
[10:39] <binchillin> oh boy
[10:40] <topyli> chrismy: i have made backups on the same disks for about 2 years, twice a week
[10:40] <chrismy> topyli, :O
[10:40] <topyli> chrismy: once a week actually, work box and home box use different disks
[10:40] <adriyel> hi
[10:40] <chrismy> topyli, interesting
[10:40] <mindspin> has anyone here ever added a user with restricted access to several programs ? for example, a user with only access to webbrowser, e-mail and office programs
[10:41] <mindspin> and i know how to add a user
[10:41] <chrismy> topyli, ok a good one for you. how do i check for my drives? df?
[10:41] <topyli> chrismy: used space: du; free space: df
[10:42] <topyli> use the -h (human output) flag
[10:42] <adriyel> adduser/useradd, then automatically restrict their access to everything but what is required to get a desktop, then give them icons and access to the necessary apps
[10:42] <chrismy> topyli, hmm i tried but i do not know how to see it. it is not as interactive and easy to read as windows(i mean the status)
[10:42] <mindspin> I know the logic, but how do I restrict access to several programs?
[10:42] <mindspin> by changing file permissions?
[10:43] <topyli> chrismy: what do you need? find out how much free space you have on a certain disk?
[10:43] <chrismy> topyli, could i private you? coz itis forbidden to copy things and paste it here right?
[10:43] <sammie_> df -k
[10:43] <topyli> chrismy: join #flood and paste there
[10:43] <chrismy> topyli, yes and all about the basics of how to check drives and devices
[10:43] <Wilf> it's just that it boots straight into runlevel 2
[10:43] <Wilf> i want it to start x automatically :(
[10:44] <The_Vox> topyli: how often do you reliability tests on those backups?
[10:44] <chrismy> topyli, are you in the flood channel?
[10:44] <topyli> The_Vox: almost never :)
[10:44] <topyli> chrismy: i am
[10:44] <p_O> can someone help me with this error message? E: setiathome:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:44] <The_Vox> topyli: so you know you can write to the CDRWs but no clue if you can actually read em? :)
[10:44] <adriyel> wtf? ^^
[10:45] <topyli> The_Vox: well sometimes i do find files from them and they have worked recently :)
[10:45] <chrismy> topyli, yes but you are not replying??
[10:45] <topyli> chrismy: now i am :)
[10:45] <The_Vox> topyli: well, that's better than not testing them :)
[10:46] <hendo> hi
[10:46] <chrismy> sorry guys and thanks!
[10:46] <hendo> very toughey software
[10:46] <hendo> toughey
[10:46] <hendo> touchey
[10:47] <topyli> heh
[10:47] <The_Vox> topyli: I do backups for clients (mostly medium enterprises) and I *really* fear CDRWs for that...I prefer removable HDs sent to off-site locations.
[10:47] <topyli> The_Vox: it's better
[10:47] <adriyel> hmm.
[10:47] <adriyel> !uname
[10:47] <ubotu> adriyel: I haven't a clue
[10:48] <The_Vox> topyli: and I change the HDs for new ones once a year
[10:48] <topyli> The_Vox: OTOH, i synchronize my ~/Desktop between my home and work machines daily. that's the stuff i'm working on
[10:48] <hendo> hey
[10:48] <kemik> hendo:  got a question? just ask it
[10:48] <topyli> The_Vox: and old stuff can be found (hopefully) from the backups
[10:48] <The_Vox> topyli: oh! you use your backups for dead fileing?
[10:49] <topyli> The_Vox: no, they are at ~/Old-documents on my hard disk. but they get backed up as well
[10:50] <The_Vox> topyli: I deadfile to DVDs now...used to do it to CDs...don't use RWs, tho...I just deadfile the stuff and send it to the off-site storage...most companies I work with have a 5-year discard policy
[10:51] <user1> anyone: how do I install GTK+ with apt-get ?
[10:51] <topyli> The_Vox: the main thing is to have your backups on the other side of town, so your house/neighborhood can burn and do no damage to your data
[10:51] <The_Vox> topyli: on most of the companies I work with we have a deadfile server that works pretty much like an anon-ftp site, with a blind dropin directory and read-only dirs to consult
[10:52] <kemik> user1:  "apt-get install <package>" , "apt-cache search <keyword>"
[10:52] <Wilf> startx: command not found
[10:52] <kemik> user1:  or use synaptic
[10:52] <topyli> The_Vox: actually i've been thinking about using gmailfs for deadfiling (my life's work is not so big after all). google's servers should be more reliable than mine :)
[10:52] <The_Vox> topyli: right....we offsite to different places...one of the companies I work with offsites to two different bank voults, one in town and one in a different city
[10:53] <dcuny> Question: I'm running the LiveCD. I've used the winmac_fstab script to mount my vfat files, but is there a way to mount my existing Linux partition as well?
[10:53] <The_Vox> topyli: I've been thinking on doing that with some of my small clients...it does sound like a smart way to take advantage of the 100+ gmail invites I have lol!
[10:54] <topyli> The_Vox: yeah, you can have about 30 of mine too :)
[10:54] <kemik> dcuny:  yes, create mountdirectories, and then use "sudo mount -t <filesystem> /dev/nameofdevice /your/mountdir"
[10:54] <fluffybunny_> i've downloaded a gnome login theme - how do I install it/use it?
[10:54] <The_Vox> topyli: hehehe
[10:54] <kemik> dcuny:  "fdisk -l" will let you see which devices and filesystems you use
[10:54] <dcuny> Urgh. Nothing simple, then? (Repeats that hated line: "But I can do it in Knoppix...")
[10:55] <binchillin> !dhcp
[10:56] <ubotu> binchillin: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:56] <The_Vox> dcuny: knoppix is more thought about as a rescue disk...ubuntu's live cd is more a technology preview kind of thing
[10:56] <binchillin> !if i could explain it i wouldn't be talking to a bot
[10:56] <ubotu> binchillin: Are you on ritalin?
[10:56] <user1> kemik: there are a lot of packages that claim gtk, which do I want?
[10:57] <binchillin> !dialup connection
[10:57] <ubotu> binchillin: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:57] <tron^> is anyone able to help me I have lost mozilla firefox it won't load for me
[10:57] <kemik> user1:  that, i cannot answer :) it depends on what you want to do, or what the application you're trying to run need.
[10:57] <dcuny> The_Vox: thanks, I was afraid of that. and it's beta too.
[10:58] <dcuny> (I like beta stuff, that's not a complaint!)
[10:58] <The_Vox> dcuny: file a bug report, maybe the developers will do something about it
[10:58] <kemik> dcuny:  well, addin a partition can be a one-time thing, just add a line in /etc/fstab and it'll mount on every boot
[10:58] <user1> kemik: will gtk2 work for gtk+ ?
[10:58] <The_Vox> tron^: what error do you get if you type "mozilla-firefox" at a terminal?
[10:58] <dcuny> The_Vox: OK, will do.
[10:58] <The_Vox> kemik: he's booting from a livecd
[10:58] <kemik> user1:  why do you need gtk?
[10:59] <Tribune> which application for ubuntu can use wma format?
[10:59] <kemik> The_Vox:  ahh yea, i was thinking if he came to install "the real thing" ;)
[10:59] <mindspin> just for thorapeutic: how can I add a user with restricted access to several programs ? for example, a user with only access to webbrowser, e-mail and office programs
[10:59] <The_Vox> Tribune: xine and mplayer
[10:59] <user1> kemik: trying to install ymessenger
[10:59] <kemik> user1:  compile or with packages ? it should either way say pretty clearly what you need
[11:00] <Tribune> i did try to install xine but fail
[11:00] <Nexinarus> just add the package ymessenger then, user1
[11:00] <Nexinarus> and apt-get (or synaptic) will add dependencies
[11:00] <The_Vox> Tribune: how did you try to install it?
[11:00] <user1> kemik: packages
[11:00] <Tribune> i did try by using command apt-get install xine
[11:00] <The_Vox> Tribune: xine-ui
[11:00] <Tribune> ok
[11:00] <Tribune> i try it noe
[11:00] <dcuny> kemik: FYI. If I hadn't had such trouble getting X to work a couple months ago, I'd be running Ubuntu. PCLinuxOS won, but since then the video detection problems have apparently been fixed, so I may take that route.
[11:01] <Tribune> how bout mplayer command?
[11:01] <user1> kemik: apt-get tells me I need  libgtk1.2  but I can't find it
[11:01] <Tribune>  apt-get install mplayer?
[11:02] <The_Vox> Tribune: yes
[11:02] <Tribune> one more thing..... my window coruppt. so i did istall my window xp.. an it seem my grub no more. how can i install grub to make selection?
[11:03] <kemik> try adding more reposiroties user
[11:03] <The_Vox> Tribune: boot with the ubuntu CD, there's a way to make it re-install grub, tho I can't give you a step by step because I haven't tried it
[11:04] <user1> kemik: I added universe
[11:04] <Nexinarus> user1: try add multiverse
[11:04] <The_Vox> user1: probably need multiverse
[11:04] <andy_> alow guys
[11:05] <Nexinarus> hi
[11:05] <Tribune> last question. i did install limewire into my laptop.... but it not functioning. i did follow all ubuntuguide step. can u help me The_Vox
[11:05] <andy_> can you help me to configure internet sharing?
[11:05] <user1> how do I add multiverse?
[11:06] <The_Vox> Tribune: nop, sorry, never used limewire
[11:06] <fluffybunny_> how does one change one's login theme?
[11:06] <Tribune> do ubuntu need any anti virus?
[11:06] <cyphase> no
[11:06] <Tribune> thank a lot guys...
[11:07] <The_Vox> user1:  deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[11:07] <The_Vox>  deb-src http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[11:07] <Digis> andy_, U need 2 lines
[11:07] <Tribune> seem ubuntu much more easier that fedora core 3
[11:07] <cyphase> i need help people. i installed the nvidia driver, and now my computer is completely freezing about every 20 minutes
[11:07] <cyphase> when i try to uninstall it, X dosn't work
[11:07] <Digis> andy_, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[11:07] <andy_> thx digis
[11:07] <Wilf> grr.
[11:08] <Wilf> how to get x started?
[11:08] <Digis> and iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE, where eth0 is your external interface
[11:08] <Wilf> run level 6 is still all next
[11:08] <Wilf> text*
[11:08] <Wilf> and run level 7 does nothing
[11:08] <user1> ok... trying that
[11:08] <dcuny> cyphase: what does 'X doesn't work' mean?
[11:09] <Wilf> same. my x doesn't work either
[11:09] <Wilf> i can't get into it
[11:09] <andy_> digis, thx, i have done it, what is the next step
[11:10] <Tribune> any p2p software for ubuntu? i really need to download lots of songs... lol
[11:10] <Wilf> limewire
[11:10] <Nexinarus> linux dc++
[11:10] <Tribune> seem limewire not functioning
[11:10] <Whistler> Tribune amule
[11:10] <dcuny> When I had installed the Nvidia drivers on my machine (PCLinuxOS), it made a backup of the config file.
[11:10] <Nexinarus> bittorrent probably
[11:10] <dcuny> Cany you find your old config?
[11:10] <binchillin> i cant believe this ubuntu worked, thought for sure i would have device probs with nvidia, just need to figure out internet..........
[11:10] <Madpilot> Tribune: isn't limewire a java thing?
[11:11] <cyphase> dcuny, well, when the system boots up, it shows that messed up ncurses interface saying that X isn't properly configured
[11:11] <Tribune> i'm not sure Madpilot.... i'm still new.... did run in window and working fine. but in ubuntu it can't
[11:11] <p_O> yes, and it is hideous
[11:11] <cyphase> i can't remember the exact wording
[11:11] <p_O> i would recommend that you not use limewire
[11:11] <Tribune> not use limewire? why p_0?
[11:12] <Madpilot> Tribune: have you installed Java yet?
[11:12] <p_O> because it is wasteful and hideous and usually tries to download corrupted files to your computer, at least that is what i hear
[11:12] <Tribune> i don't think so madpilot
[11:12] <dcuny> When I took my nvidia stuff off, I basically had two lines in the config file to change. One was the driver (I think it was 'nv'), and the other was the OpenGL library link. Changing thouse back fixed things, but I lost OpenGL.
[11:12] <user1> if I install  libgtk1.2 apt-get tells me I need  libgtk1.2-common, if I install  libgtk1.2-common, apt-get tells me libgtk1.2 ... what is going on with this circular dependecy??
[11:12] <Madpilot> !tell Tribune about java
[11:12] <binchillin> why is limewire wastefull, inefficient sharing?
[11:13] <Thorondor> when I try to install locales via synaptic i get an error message about "unresolvable dependencies" - what have i done wrong and how can i fix that?
[11:14] <Digis> andy_, try
[11:14] <dcuny> It's for problems like this that you want a copy of Knoppix lying around - the Ubuntu Live won't automount your Linux drives. It's a lot easier to try to fix things in a full environment.
[11:15] <user1> ok I figured it out.... thank you all for your help
[11:18] <arkais> #ubuntu-es
[11:18] <arkais> m
[11:19] <Nexinarus> anyone figured out how to install transcode in ubuntu hoary?
[11:19] <Coloney_Kaiser> wooot! go teh coloney grub installer ! it owns
[11:20] <redguy> what is this colony thing anyways?
[11:20] <Coloney_Kaiser> and the live cd works great :)
[11:20] <Nexinarus> !coloney
[11:20] <ubotu> Nexinarus: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:20] <Coloney_Kaiser> redguy: its the beta cds
[11:20] <Nexinarus> funny bot
[11:21] <Coloney_Kaiser> !colony
[11:21] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Coloney_Kaiser
[11:21] <Coloney_Kaiser> lol
[11:21] <Colony_Kaiser> is better spelt it seems
[11:21] <dcuny> All right, it looks like you want to edit the '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' file, and change    Driver "nvidia"   back to    Driver "nv"
[11:22] <Whistler> yeaaaaaaaay
[11:22] <cyphase> oh, dcuny, i think i got it now
[11:22] <drummer87> hi, will reinstalling the kernel-modules package overwrite any changes i've made?
[11:22] <redguy> ah
[11:22] <cyphase> i didn't see you typing :)
[11:22] <Whistler> i got opera working on my cell phone
[11:22] <Colony_Kaiser> lol
[11:23] <dcuny> You might also want to put in the lines   Load "GLcore"   and
[11:23] <dcuny> Load "dri" .  Don't quote me on this, though! You'll really want to check out the backup to see what it used to have.
[11:23] <Thorondor> how can i fix broken repository entries?
[11:23] <rob^> dcuny, yep you'll wanna do that
[11:23] <Tribune> ubotu. can i install java this way? sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[11:23] <drummer87> i tried the newer ati drivers but didn't work, while doing so i copied some modules to various plasces and when reverting to the once working previous drivers i get mesa :(
[11:23] <rob^> !java
[11:23] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:24] <cyphase> here goes..
[11:24] <cyphase> brb
[11:25] <drummer87> noone?
[11:25] <Myrtti> wha
[11:26] <siimo> is there a netinstall boot.iso available? i remember seeing one for breezy a little while ago before they started building install disks
[11:30] <Thorondor> how can i fix broken repository entries?
[11:30] <Wilf> with a hammer
[11:30] <Wilf> and glue
[11:30] <Wilf> or maybe some araldite
[11:31] <jklappenbach> So, I hate to come back and ask for help, but I really can't seem to figure out how to get to the bottom of my problem.  There's /etc/hosts.  What other files can I look at for configuration?  Firefox is acting like I have no connection.  I also get a wierd error when I log in, saying that it doesn't know how to find my host.
[11:31] <Thorondor> just tell me if i fucked up my system nad have to reinstall :/
[11:31] <jklappenbach> Thorondor: I've had luck with using "sudo apt-get clean"
[11:32] <Madpilot> does Synaptic burn ISOs properly?
[11:32] <thenuke> jklappenbach: I think that it cannot find the host you are trying to connect :)  does the connection work any other way? like IRC?
[11:32] <cosmos_> Thorondor: you cannot fuck up system just by fucking the sources.list
[11:32] <thenuke> jklappenbach: if only web is broken then the problem is in your DNS
[11:32] <redguy> Madpilot: Synaptic burning ISOs?
[11:32] <jklappenbach> Um, it's any host, really.
[11:32] <mlab> anyone know of a command that will tell me how long a program has been running. I used to do that using tic & toc in matlab?
[11:32] <mlopes> i've made a dpkg --get-selections and then --set-selections + dselect-upgrade
[11:32] <jklappenbach> I thought it might be an issue with dns, but both entries are populated.
[11:33] <mlopes> but apt-get only removes 3 packages while it should remove ~ 50 and install 30 (on another machine)
[11:33] <redguy> Madpilot: That would be quite useless don't you think?
[11:33] <mlopes> any ideas why?
[11:33] <dcuny> Thorondor: If you are using the Snaptic Package Manager, you chould be able to go to 'Settings... | Repositories" in the menu.
[11:33] <Madpilot> redguy: Nautilus... sorry, it's late here...
[11:33] <user1> anyone: why am I getting this error    # mount -t nfs localhost:/tmp/junk /tmp/junk1
[11:33] <user1> mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[11:33] <cosmos_> if you have a bk of sources.list just recover it by overwriting the current one
[11:33] <dcuny> Thorondor: What in particular are you trying to fix?
[11:33] <redguy> Madpilot: it propably does, don't know mysesf, since I use k3b
[11:34] <Thorondor> when doing apt-get install locales i get http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1541
[11:35] <Madpilot> redguy: well, blank CDs are cheap... if it doesn't work, no great loss...
[11:38] <redguy> user1: you sure what you are doing? got nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server on localhost ?
[11:39] <user1> redguy: no I'm not sure of what I'm doing. are those packages I need to install?
[11:39] <redguy> user1: what do you want to do?
[11:40] <user1> I want to NFS mount a local directory
[11:42] <p_O> can someone tell me how to make ubuntu use vlc to play movies instead of totem?
[11:42] <kagou> hi
[11:42] <redguy> user1: you have to have a NFS server to do that. you have to edit /etc/exports as well
[11:42] <kagou> is there anyone who have built a recent motherboard with Intel P4 ?
[11:42] <dcuny> Thorondor: Sorry, I'm probably too newbie to answer this. What happens if you try to install glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14?
[11:42] <Burgundavia> dcuny, bad things
[11:43] <yahalom> kagou: whats ur problem?
[11:43] <user1> redguy: Ubuntu doesn't install an NFS server by default?
[11:43] <kagou> yahalom, i'm searching for a good motherboard and P4 with AGP support.
[11:43] <Burgundavia> user1, yes
[11:43] <yahalom> kagou: one sec
[11:43] <Thorondor> dcuny, E: Couldn't find package glibc-2.3.2.dsl-20ubuntu14
[11:43] <airox> hi
[11:44] <airox> Anybody knows if wpa_gui is in some package for ubuntu ?
[11:44] <yahalom> kagou: what have u looked at?
[11:44] <user1> redguy: how do I install one? and portmapper, too?
[11:44] <dcuny> Thorondor: Feh. What you're trying to get might just be packaged badly.
[11:44] <redguy> user1: don't think so. NFS server is not a feature that the average desktop user needs.
[11:45] <yahalom> kagou: http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20010321/
[11:45] <redguy> user1: sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server. portmap is propably installed as one of the dependencies.
[11:45] <kagou> yahalom, i have some experience with athlon motherboard, but now i want to re-build a new intel based pc
[11:45] <kagou> yahalom, Created:
[11:45] <kagou> March 21, 2001 :/
[11:47] <p_O> what does pts mean?
[11:47] <redguy> user1: Forgive me being curious, why do you want to mount a NFS share locally?
[11:48] <pef> hello
[11:49] <redguy> p_O: pseudo-terminal slave ?
[11:50] <p_O> what does that mean?
[11:50] <andreas__> Something is strange with my installation. I cant install Sun jre by using this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre .... does anyone know what's wrong?
[11:50] <redguy> p_O: I don't really know :-), try man 4 pts
[11:51] <Jowi> g'day all
[11:51] <drummer87> hi all, i've borked my ati drivers and modules.. how can i restore the original kernel modules and get rid of anything i did with fglrx, etc.??
[11:52] <n1xt3r> part
[11:53] <Thorondor> dcuny, i need the package locales to dpkg-reconfigure locales to setup my locales (in which time format to display what and stuff)
[11:53] <yahalom> kagou: sorry man. dont knwo whats wrogn with me.
[11:54] <LoveBug356> Would it be possible to install linux on a extern-hd and startup on different PC's?
[11:54] <kagou> np yahalom
[11:54] <Digis> drummer87, remmove flgrx module, and U need a new xorg.conf dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:54] <kagou> cu
[11:54] <Jowi> !info localechooser-data
[11:54] <redguy> !u
[11:54] <ubotu> U mag wel 'je' zeggen, hoor.
[11:54] <ubotu> localechooser-data: (Lists of locales supported by the installer), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.04.0ubuntu17 (hoary), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
[11:54] <Jowi> !localechooser-data
[11:54] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Jowi
[11:57] <{cYanide}> hey is there something i can install to play wmv files?
[11:57] <Jowi> LoveBug356: i wouldn't see why not. most hardware is autodetected. a problem could be the numbering of the HDDs at bios level.... this is a wild guess btw since i haven't tried it myself
[11:58] <Madpilot> !tell {cYanide} about restricted
[11:58] <Jet2k5> can someone here help me?  I just built my first computer and I can't install Ubuntu, my keyboard freezes right when it asks me to Select a Language
[11:59] <timl_> Jet2k5: could it be an apci problem?
[11:59] <timl_> I had a similar problem with lockups on a laptop I was installing and turning off acpi did the job
[12:00] <Jet2k5> timl_: I have no idea man, I'm like a bad noob
[12:00] <vohaul> Hello. I've just installed Ubuntu and I'm having a few problems. Can anyone help?
[12:00] <Jet2k5> I just put this computer together, and I never ever had this kind of problem
[12:00] <Jet2k5> timl_: will these be in expert mode?
[12:00] <timl_> Jet2k5: ok, at the boot prompt, hit F1, F2, F3, etc and it'll give you different help pages, on one of them it'll mention turning off acpi
[12:00] <Jowi> vohaul: ask and you might get lucky that someone knows the answer :-)
[12:01] <timl_> something like "linux acpi=off" is what you'd want to type at the boot prompt
[12:01] <timl_> but this is all off the top of my head...
[12:01] <Madpilot> vohaul: what Jowi just said... ;)
[12:01] <timl_> Jet2k5: this is before you get to expert mode, before you do anything else
[12:01] <Jet2k5> timl_: I have a vauge idea of what you are saying
[12:03] <drummer87> Digis, thanks, can i remove anything thst says fglrx? ie, is it safe to do that?
[12:03] <Jowi> Jet2k5: i should be on the F5 screen after you pop in the install CD..
[12:03] <drummer87> caus i can see files in various places called fglrx*
[12:03] <Jowi> Jet2k5: the ACPI=off option that is
[12:04] <Jet2k5> Jowi: ok, I'm checking the bios with the latest manual from DFI's website
[12:04] <Jet2k5> just to see that I did everything correctly
[12:04] <Jowi> Jet2k5: you do not have to disable ACPI in BIOS.
[12:04] <timl_> Jowi: thanks :-) I don't have a bootable machine here to check this
[12:04] <Jet2k5> Jowi: eh?
[12:04] <Jet2k5> Jowi: I'm not
[12:04] <Jowi> Jet2k5: all you need to do is disable the Ubuntu INSTALLER to use it.
[12:04] <Digis> drummer87, did U installed flgrx using synaptic?
[12:04] <vohaul> ok here goes. I've got a Voodoo 3 3000 video card and Ubuntu installed everything automatically. Now the resolution default is very small, 640x480 but when I go to change it there are no other resolutions available and the refresh rate is locked at 60Hz as well. I want to be able to get up to 1280x1024 and 85Hz like I do in Windows. How do I fix this? I'm using Ubuntu 5.04
[12:04] <Jet2k5> lol I'm just checking to see that I have everything set up
[12:04] <Jet2k5> Jowi: I know that
[12:05] <user1> anyone: can you explain this    # mount -t nfs localhost:/tmp/junk /tmp/junk1
[12:05] <user1> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[12:05] <Jowi> Jet2k5: ah ok :-)
[12:05] <wdh> vohaul, try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' in a terminal
[12:05] <wdh> vohaul, answer all the questions and you are good to go
[12:06] <drummer87> Digis, no, from the .run file from ati.com, i copied the fglrx.ko and fglrx*.ko files from somewhere to other places following a thread on ubuntuforums so think i have more modules than i want
[12:07] <Madpilot> later, all. Sleep seems like a good idea.
[12:07] <Jowi> bye Madpilot
[12:07] <Digis> drummer87, I am not sure, but U should check /etc/modules for fglrx entries, and remove them, and create new xorg.conf, than reboot your pc, if everything is working correctly, U can remove all files related with fglrx
[12:08] <Digis> if U create a new xorg.conf with dpkg-reco.... xserver-xorg, it means, than U disabled fglrx support
[12:08] <Sly> whats a respectable glxgears output ?
[12:09] <Digis> and if fglrx is disabled, it is safe to remove it...
[12:09] <drummer87> Digis, thanks, but i have no fglrx entry in /etc/modules
[12:09] <Digis> so create a new xorg.conf file and restart X, and later U can safely remove fglrx
[12:10] <Jowi> Sly: over 60fps beats my machine lol (dri not enabled for my video driver yet)
[12:10] <vohaul> that simple? thanks for that. now for something more pressing. I've been trying to connect to my ISP under Ubuntu and I can fill in all the details. When I try to connect it dials up and connects but almost straight away decides to drop out. I haven't filled in any DNS details or anything like that and I'm sure I could see that it did connect at a certain speed but everytime it decides to disconnect within the second that it connec
[12:11] <drummer87> Sly, 1300-ish on my radeon 9250 (before i started skrewing with the new drivers (hehe)
[12:11] <Sly> i was just woundering on my laptop i get 200/300 on my main machine between 1100 / 1200
[12:12] <andreas__> # sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 how come?
[12:12] <Jet2k5> ok guys I hit F1
[12:12] <Jet2k5> now what?
[12:12] <Jet2k5> I can' moe up or dow ...
[12:13] <Jowi> Jet2k5: you have to choose an option by typing it in. follow the onscreen help.
[12:14] <termitor_taff> hello, i'm have some bug with pam+ldap (after upgrade for security bug)
[12:14] <termitor_taff> what as change?
[12:14] <mof> hi
[12:14] <termitor_taff> http://pastebin.com/343801 <-- please !
[12:14] <Jet2k5> I wonder why my keyboard lags behind
[12:15] <Jowi> Jet2k5: i think you find the acpi option on the F7 screen btw
[12:15] <Jet2k5> err says no kernel image
[12:15] <Jet2k5> eh ok
[12:16] <termitor_taff> pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid DN syntax) my dn is : cn=admin,dn=intranet,dc=thexxxxx,dc=com
[12:16] <Jet2k5> Jowi: ok I'm doing ACIP=off
[12:17] <Jowi> Jet2k5: example; linux pci=noacpi
[12:17] <Jet2k5> but it says " To disable ACPI or PCI maps do pci=noacpi
[12:17] <Jet2k5> so which one?
[12:17] <Jet2k5> the one they have?
[12:17] <Jet2k5> so do " linux pci=noacpi
[12:18] <nanotech> hi everyone
[12:18] <drummer87> brb, see if this works..
[12:18] <Jowi> Jet2k5: yes. or : expert pci=noacpi (if you are going for an expert install)
[12:18] <Jet2k5> ok it's going ...
[12:18] <Jet2k5> err it froze ...
[12:18] <Jet2k5> says Disabling IRQ #11
[12:19] <kofj> how to get in prompt mode when I am using a ubuntu 5.04 live cd or install cd
[12:19] <yahalom> anyone know of a movie editor? i want to be able to edit movies and remove parts i dont want, any ideas?
[12:19] <yahalom> like mpegs and avis, etc
[12:20] <Jowi> Jet2k5: don't know how to fix that part man.
[12:20] <nanotech> I am using ubuntu in french and everything is fine except that the OOo interface doesn't display me accents (I have a little squares instead). My locale are set to fr_FR@euro and i believe I installed every needed fonts. I also installed localized packages of OOo. Any help ?
[12:20] <Jet2k5> fuck I know I shouldn't be building my own computers
[12:21] <termitor_taff> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, s/dn/dc/ ouinnnnnnnnn
[12:22] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> hi
[12:22] <vohaul> anyone with a clue my second question?
[12:22] <Jowi> nanotech: I do have a french install on my laptop but OOo works there so don't have that problem. maybe you can check in the #ubuntu-fr channel.
[12:22] <giggsey> I have a DVD, which starts with start.exe, with a folder with .VOB files in, how would I play it in ubuntu
[12:22] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> could someone help me ?
[12:22] <eliphas_> how do i change the version reply in irssi ?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> nanotech: maybe ask in #ubuntu-fr ?
[12:22] <osfameron> vohaul: look at the scrollaback.  Can you see a second question?
[12:22] <osfameron> vohaul: try asking again :-)
[12:22] <twibbler> hi all......
[12:23] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> ubuntu freezes when i log in and the graphical system starts :'(
[12:23] <airox> hi twibbler
[12:23] <vohaul> ok i repost it
[12:23] <vohaul> that simple? thanks for that. now for something more pressing. I've been trying to connect to my ISP under Ubuntu and I can fill in all the details. When I try to connect it dials up and connects but almost straight away decides to drop out. I haven't filled in any DNS details or anything like that and I'm sure I could see that it did connect at a certain speed but everytime it decides to disconnect within the second that it connec
[12:23] <twibbler> can anybody help me with unsetting keyring passwords ....
[12:23] <nanotech> Jowi, thomerz: i wasn't aware of that channel, i'll go ask there, thank's
[12:23] <giggsey> when I load up one of these .VOB files, todem player crashes
[12:23] <giggsey> *totem
[12:24] <eliphas_> morning how do i change the version reply in irssi ?
[12:24] <Jowi> giggsey: are you using totem-xine or the "normal" totem?
[12:24] <giggsey> no idea
[12:24] <giggsey> I think normal
[12:24] <Jowi> giggsey: try to install totem-xine
[12:24] <osfameron> most of the media players seem not to be able to handle codecs not being there very well at all...
[12:25] <giggsey> ok
[12:25] <thoreauputic> eliphas_: version reply? you mean /etc/issue or /etc/lsb-release ?
[12:25] <osfameron> they should bitch about it rather than just crashing
[12:25] <Luna-Tick> Hello everyone, just wondering if anyone knows this off the top of their heads; any idea what the device name (/dev/?) of a serial port on a plugged in USB hub would be??
[12:27] <Luna-Tick> No ideas?
[12:27] <th0ger> What makes Ubuntu better than Debian (or vice versa)?
[12:27] <Luna-Tick> Ubuntu is easier to use
[12:27] <Luna-Tick> and has a much more frequent release cycle
[12:27] <volvoguy> my bug report has remained unanswered. it may only be a functionality issue at this point. this machine has intel software raid on-board and the installer won't let me modify the partitions directly - only configure RAID or LVM, both of which warn that data will be destroyed if i continue. should i change my bios setting from "RAID" to "JBOD" (which also destoys data and would require a windows reinstall too).
[12:27] <giggsey> and free cd's!
[12:27] <eliphas_> thoreauputic, in irssi if I do a ctcp version
[12:28] <Juhaz> oh yeah, six months is sooo much more frequent than six months
[12:28] <Juhaz> oh wait, it isn't, it's the same
[12:28] <Luna-Tick> ...
[12:28] <th0ger> Juhaz: :P
[12:28] <Jowi> lol
[12:28] <giggsey> lol
[12:28] <Luna-Tick> Can somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the difference between debian stables a little more than 3 years?
[12:28] <Juhaz> oops
[12:29] <Luna-Tick> *wink* now it's my turn to lol
[12:30] <Juhaz> although most of the people who use debian desktop are probably not running stable, so it still kind of stands :)
[12:30] <Luna-Tick> that is true
[12:30] <joe__> does ubuntu have a package manager similar to "urpmi" for mandrake/redhat dists where yuo can specify a package name and it will fetch it form the web and install?
[12:30] <Luna-Tick> joe: yes
[12:30] <ompaul> joe__, apt-get install foo :)
[12:30] <eliphas_> thoreauputic, found it for the the ctcp version in irssi
[12:30] <joe__> oh duh
[12:30] <joe__> ty
[12:31] <airox> adios
[12:31] <ompaul> joe__, apt-cache search foo <--- allows you to find the name :)  btw you don't need version numbers - but there is a gui tool called synaptic that does all this for you
[12:32] <th0ger> Is ubuntu more like "debian + graphical sh*t" ?
[12:32] <nanotech> i solved my problem, i had forgotten this package: msttcorefonts
[12:32] <Luna-Tick> So nobody has a suggestion for my device name for my serial port on a USB hub - I'm not even sure if it would be a ttyS....
[12:32] <Luna-Tick> Thog: yes and no
[12:32] <Luna-Tick> it is more than that
[12:32] <ompaul> th0ger, ehhh no you can get debian +  desktop material if you want - this is more like ubuntu
[12:33] <Juhaz> Luna-Tick, ttyUSB0?
[12:33] <volvoguy> th0ger, ubuntu is a debian based distro with a focus on desktop use, but flexible enough to use in server situations as well.
[12:33] <Luna-Tick> thanks ... I'll give it a go :)
[12:33] <clem_yeats> andreas_ : is it for java apps or for the internet ?
[12:34] <joe__> how do you find the correct package names to use with apt-get? ie: sshd ? I tried like apt-get install sshd / install openssh etc
[12:34] <Juhaz> Luna-Tick, or try locating it in hal-device-manager
[12:35] <Jowi> joe__: apt-cache search packagename
[12:35] <Luna-Tick> That is an idea... the other didn't seem to work
[12:35] <Jowi> joe__: the package you are looking for is called "ssh"
[12:35] <volvoguy> joe__, searching with synaptic may be easier than command line.
[12:35] <ompaul> !tell me about sudo
[12:35] <joe__> ah
[12:35] <joe__> thanks all
[12:36] <Luna-Tick> Looks like it was ttyUSB0. Perhaps syncing a palm through a hub was just asking too much
[12:37] <Jowi> joe__: btw, the "ssh" package installs both the server and the client. if you want server only i'd suggest the package openssh-server
[12:37] <Jet2k5> Ok hello are people still here?
[12:37] <Jet2k5> ah nice Jowi , I fixed it :)
[12:37] <Jowi> Jet2k5: congrats! what was wrong?
[12:37] <Jet2k5> put the BIOS settings to fail-safe and it boted :)
[12:37] <Jet2k5> now I gots a quick questions about my internet connection
[12:38] <joe__> jowi yea i tried openssh-server
[12:38] <joe__> but it doesn't seem to find the package
[12:38] <Jet2k5> says it couldn't configure it because my network doesn't have dhcp
[12:38] <Jowi> Jet2k5: ah, so you got more straight-forward irq numbering mostlikely. very good
[12:38] <Jet2k5> so will I use pump?
[12:38] <joe__> openssh-client, however, is no problem :)
[12:38] <bedi> how  i use screen whit ssh ?
[12:38] <Jet2k5> Jowi: aye :)
[12:38] <bedi> screen pid.ttyS7.host ?
[12:39] <bedi> i will use it eith irssi remotly
[12:39] <Thorondor> in aptitude, what does "v" in front of a package name mean? help says "virtual", but that doesn't help me
[12:39] <Jowi> !openssh-server
[12:39] <ubotu> Jowi: I give up, what is it?
[12:39] <Jowi> !info openssh-server
[12:40] <ubotu> openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
[12:40] <joe__> when i search with apt-cache search openssh it doesn't find openssh-server
[12:40] <Luna-Tick> Thanks everyone, esp. Juhaz, even if it didn't work :).
[12:40] <Luna-Tick> ciao
[12:40] <bedi> aptitude search sshd
[12:41] <sexcopter8000m> hello, how can i make a shortcut to another folder?
[12:41] <joe__> jowi: I have ssh-krb5 package
[12:41] <Jowi> joe__: strange. the package name is openssh-server
[12:41] <paulproteus> sexcopter8000m: ln -s folder new_alias
[12:41] <Sly> sexcaopter maybe create a laucncher with command
[12:42] <ompaul> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1543
[12:42] <Sly> nautilus /path/to/folder
[12:42] <ompaul> apt-get update issue
[12:42] <Jet2k5> hehe Sly
[12:42] <Jet2k5> I've used that nick name up to last year ... :P
[12:42] <ompaul> apt-get -f update no use to me
[12:43] <ompaul> oops apt-get -f upgrade no use to me
[12:43] <sexcopter8000m> paulproteus, brilliant, thanks
[12:44] <sexcopter8000m> what's the difference between a hard link and a symbolic link?
[12:44] <Jowi> joe__: ssh-krb5 provides rsh-client which clashes with openssh. try to remove it
[12:45] <joe__> ya i tried, it's not installed though
[12:46] <joe__> when I try and install, I get a conflict with scp that is already installed
[12:46] <apokryphos> sexcopter8000m: hard link is just a link, isn't it? Symbolic link almost "re-creates" everything inside
[12:46] <joe__> but i don't have sshd installed
[12:46] <Jowi> joe__: ssh-krb5 provides sshd as well
[12:46] <sexcopter8000m> apokryphos, think i've found some info through "info coreutils ln"
[12:46] <joe__> jowi: yea thats why I was trying to install it
[12:47] <joe__> synaptic is just a frontend to the apt-get tools right?
[12:48] <joe__> i think i have to remove openssh-client first, then install ssh-krb5
[12:48] <Jowi> joe__: i'm using the normal openssh-server and openssh-client so I would'nt know about the krb5 exactly but the two packages are clashing
[12:48] <joe__> because it installs client as well, i guess.
[12:48] <sexcopter8000m> actually, sounds like a symbolic link is the kind of link i'm familiar with from windows
[12:48] <Jowi> joe__: yeah
[12:48] <sexcopter8000m> and a hard link is a bit stronger
[12:48] <sexcopter8000m> so, like, delete a hard link and you delete the original file, for example
[12:48] <esc_ape> ubuntu uses ext3 corect?
[12:48] <Jowi> joe__: synaptic and aptitude and apt-get are all using libapt as far as i know.
[12:48] <apokryphos> sexcopter8000m: no. I don't think there's an equivalent of a symbolic link on windows
[12:49] <Jowi> esc_ape: as default, yes
[12:49] <apokryphos> esc_ape: correct
[12:49] <joe__> there we go
[12:49] <esc_ape> thanks you!
[12:49] <joe__> got it jowi
[12:49] <joe__> had to uninstall openssh-client
[12:49] <Jowi> nice joe__
[12:49] <apokryphos> sexcopter8000m: if you create a symbolic link of X/ to YY/, X/W will be YY/W
[12:50] <apokryphos> but with a windows link X would link to YY, where you'd get YY/W
[12:51] <sexcopter8000m> apokryphos, oh, yeah i can see that
[12:51] <Jowi> lol
[12:51] <apokryphos> I neeed it. Haven't woken up this early in a few weeks :/
[12:51] <sexcopter8000m> apokryphos, but it's closer to what windows does than a hard link... as it says in the info page, the link and the file become indistinguishable
[12:52] <sexcopter8000m> with a hard link, i mean
[12:52] <p_O> hi kev0r
[12:52] <sexcopter8000m> anyway, my linkie works, that's what matters :)
[12:52] <yahalom> nobody here know about movie editors?
[12:52] <apokryphos> =)
[12:53] <joe__> does synaptic/apt-get install usually take care of all the dependancies for you? or do you have to install that all first?
[12:53] <clem_yeats_busy_> yahalom : kino
[12:53] <yahalom> joe__: it tells u what ur missing
[12:53] <clem_yeats_busy_> joe_ it does
[12:53] <Jowi> neighbours were really loud tonight so i didn't get sleep until 3.30 am = third cup of coffee this hour.
[12:53] <thoreauputic> joe__: taking care of deps is what apt is for, mainly :)
[12:53] <yahalom> joe__: often it does install the deps
[12:53] <yahalom> kino doesnt do it
[12:54] <joe__> i thought it woudl but.. complaining about dependancies for apache.. should i just grab a tarball for apache? you think? heh :o
[12:54] <thoreauputic> joe__: that usually means your sources are wrong
[12:54] <joe__> my apt-get sources ?
[12:54] <eliphas_> joe why not installing apache from apt-get ?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> joe__: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:55] <clem_yeats_busy_> yahalom : cinelerra ?
[12:55] <joe__> yea, I'm using the default sources supplied.. should i not be?
[12:55] <sexcopter8000m> am i doing something wrong if my bt for the ubuntu dvd is going at 2-3k/s?? I've never done bt's before :s
[12:55] <clem_yeats_busy_> yahalom : http://users.dslextreme.com/~craig.lawson/linux_notes/video.html
[12:55] <Jowi> sexcopter8000m: bt = bittorrent?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> joe__: did you run sudo apt-get update or reload synaptic ?
[12:55] <joe__> yes
[12:55] <eliphas_> joe add more repositories
[12:55] <joe__> i ran update
[12:55] <sexcopter8000m> Jowi, yes
[12:56] <esc_ape> linux can read/write to fat32 with no problems right? I have an external harddrive formatted as ntfs, and I am wondering if I should convert it to either fat32 or ext3.
[12:56] <joe__> where can i find repositories?
[12:56] <joe__> im using the default http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu atm
[12:56] <thoreauputic> repos!
[12:56] <Jowi> sexcopter8000m: probably just the torrent sources that are slow atm
[12:56] <sexcopter8000m> esc_ape, that's what i did
[12:56] <ompaul> !repos
[12:56] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:56] <eliphas_> add the universe
[12:56] <th0ger> So, i know debian well; Which new stuff should i learn, if i switch to ubuntu? Is the pkg-management and file structure the same, etc ?
[12:56] <esc_ape> sexcopter8000m, what did you do?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> ha - ! at the wrong end - I must be tired...
[12:56] <gilles_> hello
[12:56] <eliphas_> :)
[12:57] <Jowi> esc_ape: fat32 is safe to use. ext3 supports the file permissions which fat32 does not. your choice :-)
[12:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, well you did not try to fix mine --  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1543
[12:57] <sexcopter8000m> esc_ape, i have an ntfs partition for windows, ext3 for ubuntu, and fat32 for "my docs"
[12:57] <thoreauputic> th0ger: virtually identical
[12:57] <sexcopter8000m> with the latter being the largest
[12:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, no one did :(
[12:57] <th0ger> thoreauputic: nice
[12:57] <gilles_> i'm testing breezy live cd and i'm not able to use 3d apps; nvidia driver is installed
[12:58] <thoreauputic> th0ger: just stick to ubuntu apt sources
[12:58] <sexcopter8000m> at a guess, do bt downloads take a while to "get going"?
[12:58] <gilles_> somebody can help me ?
[12:58] <sexcopter8000m> gilles_, i can't get the nvidia drivers working on hoary, so if you find an answer, let me know :)
[12:58] <th0ger> thoreauputic: instead of synaptic, or what it is called
[12:59] <esc_ape> sexcopter8000m, I think I'll make it fat32
[12:59] <sexcopter8000m> does it have windows on it?
[12:59] <Jowi> sexcopter8000m: mine are slow today. took over 10 minutes to get a connection at all. then they speeded up somewhat but i am not getting anything over 25 KB/s
[12:59] <gilles_> me too, driver is loaded and works, but no 3d !!
[12:59] <th0ger> thoreauputic: apt-get works as always i guess?
[12:59] <sexcopter8000m> gilles_, if you have no 3d, then they're not really working
[12:59] <thoreauputic> th0ger: no - you can use synaptic or apt or aptitude
[12:59] <thoreauputic> th0ger: it's just like Debian
[12:59] <sexcopter8000m> gilles_, what card do you have?
[01:00] <th0ger> thoreauputic: okay
[01:00] <gilles_> at beginning official drtivers works, but i got some lockups : 6600 GT
[01:00] <thoreauputic> th0ger: I meant, don't be tempted to use debian sources for apt - they can clash
[01:00] <sexcopter8000m> hmmmm, i've got a 6600 myself
[01:00] <th0ger> thoreauputic: ah ok
[01:01] <sexcopter8000m> gilles_, are you on a laptop or pc?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> !sources
[01:01] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:01] <gilles_> then i try to install nvidia's one and now 3d isn't working either with ubuntu's or nvidia's one !
[01:01] <th0ger> thoreauputic: got it
[01:01] <gilles_> not laptop
[01:02] <sexcopter8000m> hmmmmm, i'm afraid i have no idea
[01:02] <gilles_> i've read installed both can cause troubles
[01:02] <sexcopter8000m> but if remember that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it says "nv" for the driver it's using ubuntu's own, if it says "nvidia" then it's the nvidia drivers
[01:03] <Jowi> gilles_: glxinfo | grep direct (to see if directrendering is enabled) might be that the "DRI" option isn't enabled in xorg.conf
[01:03] <wolki> how stable is breezy right now?
[01:03] <gilles_> pretty good for me
[01:03] <wolki> i feel the urge to update ^^;
[01:03] <kevor> not
[01:03] <volvoguy> wolki, it's not. only try it if you have a demo machine.
[01:04] <spanglesontoast> !help
[01:05] <twibbler> Well now for an annoying little problem on the default keyring if anybody can help.......
[01:05] <joe__> bleh, still get a problem with dependancies for apache, it seems like i need apache-utils2 whcih is not in any of the repositories? :o
[01:05] <twibbler> /usr/bin/gnome-panel wants access to the default keyring but it is locked ...
[01:06] <bjorn_> !w32codes
[01:06] <ubotu> bjorn_: I give up, what is it?
[01:06] <bjorn_> -_-
[01:06] <gilles_> Jowi, in nvidia's doc, they says to comment dri in xorg
[01:06] <thoreauputic> joe__: are you installing apache2 ?
[01:06] <sexcopter8000m> brb
[01:06] <jgjones> I have breezy on a test PC - it's quite stable, but once in a while there are some updates that isn't quite complete (files not yet in resp etc) so you have to wait so if you don't mind downtime you can upgrade to breezy but only if you have /home on diferent partition so that you can restore if you need to :)
[01:06] <ompaul> wolki, it is a development model of what will be released next, it will by its nature get broken, and fixed and broken again until it is released that is why it is in development :) have a look at the live CD if you want to see what is coming down the pipes
[01:06] <volvoguy> twibbler, have you logged into gnome as root?
[01:06] <joe__> im install the "apache" package, i figured this is latest version of apache.. im using apt-get install apache
[01:07] <Jowi> gilles_: ah ok. i just tried general dri not specific to nvidia
[01:07] <hubsi> back :/
[01:07] <joe__> whcih gives dependancy problem cuz i need apache-common,w hen trying to seperatly install this, i get a problem with broken packages
[01:07] <joe__> apache-utils2
[01:07] <jgjones> Why not use Apache2?
[01:07] <joe__> whcih is not actually in the repository -- so i guess thats why its broken? :o
[01:07] <twibbler> volvo nope my normal user ... but I have to type in root passwd to get gnome up...
[01:07] <thoreauputic> joe__: apache2 is latest
[01:07] <joe__> there is no apache2 package
[01:08] <jgjones> I'm using Apache2 on breezy - works well enough too without any depenency problems
[01:08] <thoreauputic> yes there is
[01:08] <thoreauputic> !ibfo apache2
[01:08] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Are you on ritalin?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> !info apache2
[01:08] <ubotu> apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.53-5ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
[01:08] <joe__> there is no apache2 package in my repositories .. shouldn't the us.archive.ubuntu repository have all the available packages?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> joe__: your sources list is broken. I'd say
[01:09] <joe__> all I did was uncomment the repositories..
[01:09] <jgjones> which one?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> joe__: paste /etc/apt/sources.list so we can look at it
[01:10] <thoreauputic> in a pastebin
[01:10] <joe__> ok
[01:10] <joe__> sec
[01:10] <gilles_> how to be sure i'm using nvidia driver ?
[01:11] <twibbler> vovloguy: Would it be effecting my normal user If I had logged in as root previously ?.
[01:11] <clem_yeats> no twibbler
[01:11] <apokryphos> gilles_: if you have "nvidia" in your xorg.conf, then you are running it
[01:12] <apokryphos> or, at the very least, your next X session will be running it
[01:12] <joe__> er.. I'm an idiot, I realized the problem when I pasted it :o
[01:12] <Jowi> twibbler: i heard Seveas mention something last week that if you run nautilus with sudo as a normal user it might create havoc with some authentication files. i don't remember the fix though...
[01:12] <gilles_> in proc ?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> joe__: :)
[01:12] <Thorondor> has anyone ever installed Ruby on Rails on ubuntu? i can't find a rubygems package which is needed
[01:13] <joe__> I'll save myself the embarrassment and not say what it was, but thank all ;o shoudl take a few hours to install apache on this machine so im gonna go to bed :P
[01:13] <thoreauputic> joe__: easy to do - I made a silly typo in mine and couldn't work out what was wrong a few months back
[01:13] <thoreauputic> joe__: sleep well then
[01:14] <Jowi> bye joe__
[01:14] <Sly> joe__ a few hours ?
[01:14] <Sly> i thought it was only a few meg ?
[01:15] <TiKKu^> hello, ive got one problem.. i installed the mediacodecs and the mplayer and I did change the default video driver to be "xv" but now when i try to watch anime, the colors are distorted and there is a strange lines going on the video
[01:15] <thoreauputic> Sly: I think he meant configuring it to his needs
[01:15] <Sly> ahh that would explain, * Bahs Head On Wall *
[01:15] <jgjones> I have a problem on breezy but I'm not sure if it's a bug or if it's just me - when I log on to gnome, I get a error about not being able to find my .dmrc file and for it to have 644 permissions
[01:15] <dixi> gooood morning!
[01:16] <TiKKu^> how can i fix this? If i change the video driver in mplayer, i restart it start to watch the episode i notice that the audio and video are not perfectly synced
[01:16] <dixi> ubotu, znh is from now known as dixi
[01:16] <ubotu> okay, dixi
[01:16] <jgjones> I do have the file and it's owned by me as well as my group and it does have 644 permissions and it does have all letters in lowercase...
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: ESD sucks
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> killall esd
[01:16] <twibbler> thanks jowi but not run nautilus .... (dont even know what that is)....
[01:16] <jgjones> Any suggests?
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> then run mplayer
[01:16] <jean-jacques> hello
[01:16] <TiKKu^> and change the xv to something else?
[01:16] <jean-jacques> how to edit firefox preferences ?
[01:17] <Jowi> twibbler: nautilus is the file-manager in gnome. so that wasn't the problem then :-)
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> no, leave xb
[01:17] <sexcopter8000m> brb
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> xv
[01:17] <gilles_> when i try to launch "ppracer" , i got "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."
[01:17] <jean-jacques> i mean the user.js of firefox
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jean-jacques: erm - click edit --> preferences ?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:18] <twibbler> are file manager run that through gui .... as root ...
[01:18] <jean-jacques> thoreaptic, euh no i'm trying to locate my profile folder
[01:18] <thoreauputic> user.js would be in ~/.mozilla/firefox I guess
[01:18] <jean-jacques> thoreaptic thanx !
[01:19] <sexcopter8000m> hooray! tried the nvidia drivers again, and for some reason THEY WORK! :D
[01:19] <dixi> argh.. I wanna go back on ubuntu..
[01:19] <ompaul> dixi, nobody in here will stop you :)
[01:20] <NoHope> hello all
[01:20] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB,  now it says "error opening/intializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[01:20] <dixi> ompaul: I know, there's some other reason.. Half-Life 2 and his mods doesn't work with wine.. only with a commercial cedega
[01:20] <th0ger> Anyone knows a debian->ubuntu switching howto?
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: try 'sdl'
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> as vo
[01:20] <thoreauputic> hahah - never hit ctrl-w in the wrong window...
[01:20] <dixi> thoreauputic: indeed.. that's so anonying
[01:20] <TiKKu^> vo -> sdl ?
[01:21] <kevor> arr, ctrl-W kills the window?
[01:21] <dixi> depends on the wm, but mostly it does
[01:21] <thoreauputic> kevor: in xchat it closes the tabs
[01:22] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, still the same error
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: what is the exact error
[01:22] <dixi> kevor: in KDE it would close the window If I remember it properly
[01:22] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, "error opening/intializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: put the whole output on pastebin
[01:23] <Jowi> TiKKu^: vo = video output (video-output sink) there are several to choose from. anything from SDL, XV even normal Vesa are supported. Maybe if you try to play it in root to see if that works. It might be that a user does not have permission to access the video-device.....
[01:23] <jacquesmerde> hey, are any changes to mount/supermount/whatver going/gone into breezy since the hoary release?
[01:23] <sexcopter8000m> what's that test people do for their graphics card, where they get some really high fps scores?
[01:23] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: glxgears
[01:23] <sexcopter8000m> that's the one, is it just glxgears in console?
[01:24] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: yeah, requires a X server ofc :P
[01:24] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, what do you mean by that?
[01:24] <sexcopter8000m> heh, ty :)
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> !pastebin
[01:24] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:24] <Mr> Hey, how do I update BIOS? (I have a zepto 4200 laptop)
[01:25] <dixi> Mr: by flashing your bios
[01:25] <sexcopter8000m> 3500-3700 fps a good score?
[01:25] <TiKKu^> so HrdwrBoB i paste the mplayer.conf in there..?
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: and the output of mplayer when it fails
[01:25] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: depends on the hardware, but it looks quite good for an ATi card
[01:25] <TiKKu^> the screenshot?
[01:25] <Mr> dixi: how? =)
[01:25] <sexcopter8000m> dixi: it's an nvidia 6600
[01:25] <dixi> Mr: ask your laptop creator :P
[01:26] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: what processor/ram/motherboard ?
[01:26] <sexcopter8000m> dixi: firstly it's a laptop. running centrino 1.7, 512meg ram, no idea about mobo =p
[01:27] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: yeah then it's OK
[01:27] <sexcopter8000m> good =) ty
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: no jsut the text
[01:27] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: on a Amd Athlon XP 2500+ you would get over the thousand anyways
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: run 'mplayer filename'
[01:27] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: I mean ten thousand :P
[01:28] <sexcopter8000m> dixi: holy crap, so do you think it's the limitations of a centrino? or just a laptop being a laptop?
[01:29] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, here it is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1545
[01:29] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: yeah the processor might be your biggest bottleneck
[01:29] <TiKKu^> i took the screenshot (sorry for that)
[01:29] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: but for a laptop.. man, I wish I had such laptop!
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: remove the comma
[01:29] <sexcopter8000m> dixi: then that'll do me fine :)
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> that's the problem
[01:30] <dixi> sexcopter8000m: yeah!
[01:30] <sexcopter8000m> dixi: yeah, took me aaages to find one =) i got it from mesh and can *thoroughly* recommend them
[01:30] <dixi> ubotu, dixi means in latin: "I have spoken"
[01:30] <ubotu> dixi: Not a clue
[01:30] <dixi> ubotu, dixi is in latin: "I have spoken"
[01:30] <ubotu> dixi: okay
[01:30] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, doesen't help
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: run mplayer on the command line
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> it will give more detailed errors
[01:31] <bjorn_> !pastebin
[01:31] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> !play
[01:31] <ubotu> All work and no play. Please don't play with me in the channel; experiment with me in /msg
[01:31] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[01:31] <dixi> HrdwrBoB: is that for me? - I don't play with it? - I USE it
[01:32] <dixi> hi JohnFlux
[01:32] <JohnFlux> I have 2.6.11-1-686-smp   but I need the propretary ati drivers
[01:32] <dixi> JohnFlux: aww.. unlucky!
[01:32] <JohnFlux> ah
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> dixi: ok that's cool just haven't seen you around or something :)
[01:32] <dixi> HrdwrBoB: oh oh :/ - then it's not for me :P
[01:33] <JohnFlux> okay, assuming I want to have smp, is my best course of action to get 2.6.10, or to just wait a couple of weeks or something?
[01:33] <TiKKu^> so i run it like, sudo mplayer /mnt/c/anime/tsubasa 1-4/[Conclave_SHS] _Tsubasa_Chronicle_-_03_[28D61FB8] .avi ?
[01:33] <TiKKu^> woops, sry for the filename
[01:33] <JohnFlux> dixi ^^
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> JohnFlux: either
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: no sudo, but yes
[01:33] <knoppix_> i have a problem anyone can help?
[01:33] <dixi> JohnFlux: you should take 2.6.10, it's way more stable and functional
[01:33] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: no
[01:33] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: because you haven't asked it
[01:33] <dixi> knoppix_: what's the nature of the medical emergency
[01:34] <thoreauputic> !tell knoppix about ask
[01:34] <eliphas_> what kernel are we?
[01:34] <dixi> eliphas_: the one we install
[01:34] <eliphas_>  2.6.10
[01:34] <knoppix_> i've installed ubuntu on my pc and now i can't load widnowsxp neither ubuntu
[01:34] <TylerE> Any lvm gurus around?
[01:34] <JohnFlux> dixi: yeah i'm finding .11 is crashing :/   I'm assuming that it's the fall back graphics drivers or something
[01:35] <knoppix_> system says "error loading operating system"
[01:35] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: what does it say?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> knoppix_: what error do you get
[01:35] <dixi> JohnFlux: I agree, it shoulden't be avai' in apt-get anyways
[01:35] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: do you get the grub menu?
[01:35] <knoppix_> no
[01:35] <thoreauputic> knoppix_: try resetting the BIOS to defaults
[01:35] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: are you booting the correct hard disk
[01:35] <JohnFlux> if you have several
[01:36] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, okay ill paste the error into pastebin
[01:36] <knoppix_> i tried to install ubuntu on a SATA disk could be this the problem?
[01:37] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: possibly
[01:37] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: can your bios boot the sata?
[01:37] <dixi> everything could be possible
[01:37] <dixi> ......
[01:37] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: do you have just 1 sata disk, and no other hard disks?
[01:37] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1546
[01:37] <knoppix_> yes, i've configured the bios to boot first SATA and then ATA
[01:38] <dbernar1> Hello.
[01:38] <JohnFlux> yo
[01:38] <knoppix_> no,i have two SATA and an ATA disk
[01:38] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: and which is windows on
[01:38] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: and which did you used to boot
[01:38] <knoppix_> first SATA
[01:38] <eliphas_> !knoppix
[01:38] <ubotu> eliphas_: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:38] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: in the bios, try booting each disk
[01:38] <Wilf> P1 166, 96MB, 3.2GB HDD...which WM?
[01:39] <TylerE> Wilf: Fluxbox maybe?
[01:39] <dbernar1> they sure do, ubotu, in packets of as many as you want.
[01:39] <knoppix_> ok ill try it
[01:39] <Jowi> Wilf: I would use ice-wm, fluxbox or Windowmaker
[01:39] <TylerE> Wilf: That or xcfe4
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Wilf: hrm - blackbox or icewm are others that might work
[01:39] <Wilf> fluxbox sounds nice
[01:39] <kaptaink> what do i type in console to delete items to trash instead of completely off my computer?
[01:39] <dbernar1> openbox...
[01:39] <dbernar1> I use that. Its pretty nice.
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> rm
[01:39] <TiKKu^> hmm. why does it give "file not found" :/
[01:39] <Wilf> although i do like xcfe
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> rm file
[01:40] <kaptaink> thanx all
[01:40] <dbernar1> no, that wont go to trash HrdwrBoB
[01:40] <Jowi> kaptaink: no no no
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[01:40] <Wilf> i think good old fluxbox.
[01:40] <dbernar1> will it?
[01:40] <kaptaink> oh..
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> dbernar1: maybe if I could READ
[01:40] <kaptaink> what will then?
[01:40] <bimberi> kaptaink: hang on
[01:40] <Jowi> kaptaink: rm filename will completely delete the file
[01:40] <thoreauputic> kaptaink: mv file ~/.Trash
[01:40] <kaptaink> ok, good
[01:40] <Jowi> kaptaink: there is no "trashcan" but you can move it to .trash
[01:41] <kaptaink> most helpful
[01:41] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, do you know what is the problem? :o
[01:41] <Jowi> kaptaink: as thoreauputic said :-)
[01:41] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: heh.
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: lookingnow
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: er.. there was no file 3.avi :)
[01:41] <dbernar1> that is such a hassle, make it an alias along the lines of alias tr='mv $1 ~/.Trash'
[01:42] <bedi> how  i use screen whit ssh ?
[01:42] <bedi> i will use it with irssi remotly
[01:42] <TiKKu^> well i opened tsubasa 3.avi
[01:42] <kaptaink> ah, maybe stupid question, can i copy text from this window?
[01:42] <TiKKu^> should  there not be the space ?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> bedi: run screen irssi
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> then to resume run screen -dr
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> ssh to the machine, run screen -dr
[01:43] <dbernar1> that doesnt work...:-/ I knew I could write something like that...
[01:43] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: heh - you're a lazy typist, huh? *g*
[01:43] <TiKKu^> it says file not found but i see the file clearly
[01:43] <kaptaink> yessum
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> dbernar1: meh just use nautilus
[01:44] <dbernar1> I couldnt, I meant.
[01:44] <bedi> hum
[01:44] <dbernar1> I suck at bash, I should ,learn it, its very handy.
[01:44] <carambol> what is the name of the breezy channel?
[01:44] <bedi> HrdwrBoB: it seems it openede a new irssi session, hehe
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> bedi: yes
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> that's what it'll do
[01:44] <dbernar1> carambol: #notexistent, afaik.
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> but it's in a screen session
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> you can now resume it elsewhere
[01:44] <carambol> ubuntu-dev
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> you can disconnect from screen with ctrl-a then d
[01:45] <dbernar1> carambol: that dont exist.
[01:45] <thoreauputic> carambol: the developers' channel is not a help channel
[01:45] <carambol> ok,dbernar1
[01:45] <TiKKu^> HrdwrBoB, okay the video works now, how about the sound? which should i put instead of ESD ?
[01:45] <carambol> ok
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: esd is file, it will fallback to odd
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> oss
[01:45] <TiKKu^> well oss gives no sound
[01:46] <TiKKu^> then
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> TiKKu^: killall esd
[01:46] <TiKKu^> i did it
[01:46] <TiKKu^> and i started mplayer, opened the file, -> no sound
[01:46] <dbernar1> carambol: I suggest you just ask. :)
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> try it with 'alsa'
[01:47] <TiKKu^> seems to work
[01:47] <carambol> in breezy prob witk log-in screen
[01:47] <TiKKu^> stange, thank you HrdwrBoB
[01:47] <frans-th> hi all
[01:47] <frans-th> anyone can help me the steps to mirror ubuntu hoary repo
[01:48] <carambol> noHuman Beeing...no Happy Gnome
[01:48] <frans-th> what are the steps
[01:48] <Coyctecm> how I can change mouse cursos in gdm login screen?
[01:49] <Wilf> you think a P1 166 could run overnight with no cpu fan or heatsink?
[01:49] <frans-th> what mouse?
[01:49] <Rondom> hello
[01:49] <dbernar1> carambol: /msg ubotu ask
[01:49] <carambol> how i configure the login screen?
[01:50] <dbernar1> frans-th, you are one impatient person.
[01:50] <dbernar1> carambol: likely gnome-login<tab><tab> and choose one.
[01:51] <Coyctecm> anyone?
[01:51] <dbernar1> carambol: sudo gdmsetup
[01:51] <franst> hi all
[01:51] <franst> anyone here
[01:51] <dbernar1> no
[01:51] <Rondom> I can't find the gameport under /dev/... I have an asus a8v-e deluxe motherboard with a via 8237 sound chip
[01:51] <franst> can help me to mirror the ubuntu repo
[01:51] <dbernar1> dont leave this time, ok?
[01:52] <pmjdebruijn> hi all
[01:52] <carambol> dbernar, i will try it
[01:52] <pmjdebruijn> i'm looking to buy a new DVD Recorder, what can you recommend me? What works great in Ubuntu?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> pmjdebruijn: anything
[01:52] <dbernar1> Coyctecm: change it from what to what?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> all the same pretty much
[01:52] <dbernar1> he did leave.
[01:52] <pmjdebruijn> HrdwrBoB, are you sure? I have a Pioneer DVR-109 here, and it doesn't work properly
[01:52] <dbernar1> what a guy.
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> pmjdebruijn: it should od
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> do
[01:52] <jamessarawak> hi all
[01:53] <yahalom> not on a linux box, can someone do an apt search for gopchop plz
[01:53] <jamessarawak> I want to install UBUNTU
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> how doesn'tit work properly
[01:53] <pmjdebruijn> HrdwrBoB, well there's not much I can do wrong...
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> jamessarawak: excellent
[01:53] <yahalom> jamessarawak: so do it
[01:53] <jamessarawak> the problem is I got existing partition.. I don't want to destroy these 2 partition what option should I choose when installing?
[01:53] <kemik> jamessarawak:  go ahead! :)
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> jamessarawak: you can resize
[01:53] <kemik> jamessarawak:  resize the partition using free-space on them
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> pmjdebruijn: what's it doing
[01:54] <Coyctecm> dbernar: I like to change this human cursor theme to something else..? I managed ti change it in gnome already but how do I change it that it would apply into gdm too?
[01:54] <jamessarawak> what software I need to use to resize?
[01:54] <kemik> jamessarawak:  a good util for that is Partition Magic..
[01:54] <jamessarawak> oh.... so I need that software to resize? I cannot resize it while installing UBUNTU?
[01:54] <kemik> jamessarawak:  but it has been said that the ubuntu-installer can resize NTFS partitions, however *I* have not done it/seen it
[01:54] <kemik> !resize
[01:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resize is The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to make space to install Ubuntu.  Even so you should backup important files first.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning
[01:54] <pmjdebruijn> HrdwrBoB, it doesn't recognize the media in the drive, while under windows it is recognized
[01:55] <MrJensen> Is there a ftp-program in Ubuntu? :O I need one
[01:55] <Rondom> I can't find the gameport under /dev/... I have an asus a8v-e deluxe motherboard with a via 8237 sound chip
[01:55] <Jowi> MrJensen: gftp is nice
[01:55] <jamessarawak> well I'll try take care all :) formating my hardisk right now.. bye
[01:55] <thoreauputic> MrJensen: of course - there are several
[01:55] <Rondom> does anyone know how to do this
[01:56] <MrJensen> yeah, of course, but is there a pre-installed one? :D
[01:56] <kemik> MrJensen:  if you want SSL support, the easiest would be JFTP, if SSL is not important, go with gftp
[01:56] <kemik> MrJensen:  "ftp" works
[01:56] <thoreauputic> MrJensen: nautilus can do ftp
[01:56] <Jowi> Rondom: maybe you can find it with: cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[01:57] <MrJensen> okay, I will install gftp then! Cant find any ftp-program under "Programmes"
[01:57] <thoreauputic> MrJensen: type ftp://ftp.server.com in the nautilus location field (ctrl-l)
[01:57] <Rondom> thx I'll try that
[01:58] <shuveb> does anybody know where CPU usage information is available in /proc?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> MrJensen: but gftp is a dedicated ftp GUI program, yes
[01:58] <Jowi> Rondom: you might find it under /proc/sys/dev as well. I don't have a gameport to test with to be sure.
[01:58] <MrJensen> okay, thx :) I'll try it out
[01:59] <Rondom> the first one only showed me my pc speaker, mouse and keyboard
[01:59] <thoreauputic> MrJensen: oh, just in case you didn't know - nautilus is the file manager :)
[01:59] <Rondom> Jowi
[02:01] <Rondom> Jowi: the joystick applet in the KDE-Controll Center says that it couldn't find a gameport
[02:01] <uthini> how do i make my login screen a console
[02:01] <uthini> rather than a xwindow
[02:01] <uthini> i want to install new video drivers
[02:01] <Jowi> Rondom: sorry, i am cooking. erhm... as i said i don't have a gameport but if the driver is setup it should show in /proc/bus/somewhere
[02:01] <uthini> but its impossible with x running
[02:02] <thoreauputic> uthini: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:02] <Jowi> Rondom: also i haven't used kde in years :-)
[02:02] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: you are running ubuntu on a mac right?
[02:02] <bimberi> uthini: <ctrl><alt>F1 - log in - sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:02] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: I have a mac - currently I'm on a PC though
[02:03] <kemik> uthini:  you should use the binary-drivers though.. there are how'to's for Nvidia and Ati.. (i assuming that's one of those brands you've got? )
[02:03] <uthini> thx bimberi
[02:03] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: but yes, i run ubuntu on an iBook G4
[02:03] <bimberi> uthini: yw :)
[02:03] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: i screwed my mac up installing the latest update, and i am trying to salvage some files with the ubuntu livecd....
[02:03] <Rondom> Jowi: does this matter? is there a gnome-app for this?
[02:03] <uthini> kemik......... binary drivers? i dl'ed from the nvidia site, it starts a program, then say's sorry for you, u can't install
[02:03] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: but i can't find any files
[02:04] <kemik> !nvidia
[02:04] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[02:04] <Rondom> I only wanted to stress, that neither a program nor me can find a gameport
[02:04] <Rondom> Jowi
[02:04] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: ah - I haven't done that: I guess you mount the partition and explore from there
[02:04] <lillylegsandtoes> hello, i have just linked java to my mozzila firefox browser, and now firefox isn't working, can anyone help me fic it?
[02:04] <kemik> uthini will come back im guessing.. with lots of troubles
[02:04] <kemik> lillylegsandtoes:  did you follow the java -wikipage?
[02:04] <lillylegsandtoes> fix*
[02:04] <kemik> !java
[02:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:05] <lillylegsandtoes> i can't get on the net
[02:05] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: something like mount -t hfsplus /dev/blah /mnt/point
[02:05] <lillylegsandtoes> so i can't find help :(
[02:05] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: i never tried it with the -t option..
[02:05] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: from memory OS-X uses hfsplus
[02:06] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: i got one part to mount.. but there are like 5, I'll give it another go
[02:06] <kemik> can-o-worms:  use "fdisk -l" to see where you're partitons are located
[02:07] <martin-> hi all, i have an Targus PA088 USB2Serial adapter. How can i adresss the serial port in ubuntu? After pulgging in the adapter i see in dmesg: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[02:08] <can-o-worms> kemik: I'll remember that, i usually just look at the dev files
[02:09] <kemik> can-o-worms:  its a nice command ;)
[02:09] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: i got /dev/hda4 to mount with the -t option, thanks
[02:09] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: cool :)
[02:09] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: good luck
[02:10] <liraz> Can someone help me figure out how to compile a kernel module against the right kernel headers? I'm using 2.6.10-smp-i686 but when compiling the alsa bluetooth module it is compiled against 2.6.10 default headers
[02:11] <liraz> so I am unable to load the module
[02:11] <can-o-worms> kemik: that is sweet, it shows you a whole lot of cool stuff... thanks
[02:11] <morty> Hi, I just installed php4-mysql - will this enable mysql apis from within php on its own? or is further configuration necessary? as I am gettin gundefined functions for the mysql apis still..
[02:11] <lillylegsandtoes> okay guys, i cannot get on the net, so i have no idea of how to fix my firefox, i followed the tutorial supplied with the java site?
[02:11] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: and you were right about linux being a whole faster than osx
[02:12] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: indeed :)
[02:13] <kemik> i dont find gnome faster than xP though
[02:13] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: interestingly, even mac-on-linux feels fast on my machine
[02:13] <Jowi> lillylegsandtoes: dirty solution: apt-get remove mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:13] <lillylegsandtoes> thankyu
[02:14] <kemik> maybe even add the --purge switch
[02:14] <dixi> I am back :)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> kemik: it would be fairer to compare XP to a five year old Linux distro running the then gnome
[02:14] <dixi> anyways is there some special kernel for an Amd Athlon XP?
[02:14] <kemik> thoreauputic:  why is that ?
[02:14] <kemik> thoreauputic:  XP with SP1 or 2 or which servicepack they're at :/
[02:15] <thoreauputic> kemik: because XP is five years old and designed to run on the hardware of that time?
[02:15] <kemik> thoreauputic:  gnome does not offer much "extra functionality" i thikn the comparison is legit
[02:15] <dixi> you can't compare such things like that..
[02:16] <kemik> im sure i can, i'm doing it right now ;)
[02:16] <bimberi> whoa - 3 years surely (but that's not the point i realise)
[02:16] <thoreauputic> *shrug* try running a few hungry apps at once on XP and tell me it's faster
[02:16] <frans-th> hi pvanhoof
[02:16] <kemik> thoreauputic:  firefox works better in XP for one, doom3 also
[02:17] <kemik> thoreauputic:  still im in ubuntu, so ubuntu has other 'benefits' ...
[02:17] <Jowi> what is it with linux firefox? when some pages load it just hangs for 5-10 seconds...
[02:17] <kemik> Jowi:  could be parsing the page
[02:18] <thoreauputic> kemik: no amount of superficial "snappiness" in feel would drag me back to windows - so yes, i agree Linux has other benefits
[02:18] <frans-th> alo
[02:18] <frans-th> anyone can help, how can i cannot mirror using this syntax, mirror the ubuntu archive?
[02:18] <frans-th> frans@spirit:~/repo$ rsync --recursive --links --hard-links --times --verbose --compress --update rsync://paster.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:18] <Jowi> kemik: yeah, probably. no other tabs can be accessed in the meantime.
[02:20] <pvanhoof> it's not the same as what I said FrankyFourFinger
[02:20] <pvanhoof> ow
[02:20] <pvanhoof> frans-th,
[02:20] <pvanhoof> rsync --recursive --links --hard-links --times --verbose --compress --update rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ .
[02:20] <frans-th> hi pvanhoof
[02:20] <pvanhoof> that is what I wrote
[02:20] <pvanhoof> please don't change it else it wont work
[02:20] <bimberi> Jowi: This can help - http://ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox - and is one of the (many) bits of ubuntuguide that are OK (IMHO)
[02:21] <pvanhoof> I can't help you if you change stuff and don't tell me what you changed, frans-th
[02:21] <frans-th> pvanhoof, the dot" is with space or after the releases/. ?
[02:21] <pvanhoof> no, you just changed the URI
[02:21] <thoreauputic> bimberi: burn the heretic! *grin*
[02:21] <Jowi> bimberi: cheers, will try that
[02:21] <pvanhoof> and you omited the /releases/
[02:21] <frans-th> work now :P 31GB right
[02:21] <morty> i installed php4-mysql -- but mysql apis are still not recognized inside of php script -- do i have to add the module to php.ini?
[02:21] <pvanhoof> 31 gig right
[02:22] <frans-th> i think the syntact is /releases/ . not /releases/. , a space between / and . right
[02:22] <pvanhoof> right
[02:22] <frans-th> morty: mody the php.ini the mysql extnnsion
[02:22] <pvanhoof> it's not the "syntax" it's defining the source and the destination
[02:22] <pvanhoof> if you don't add the space, you are not giving a destination
[02:22] <martin-> hi all, i have an Targus PA088 USB2Serial adapter. How can i adresss the serial port in ubuntu? After pulgging in the adapter i see in dmesg: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[02:22] <frans-th> pvanhoof: unbuntu repo for wary and hoary is different right?
[02:22] <pvanhoof> you are adding the . to the source
[02:23] <pvanhoof> no you'll get both
[02:23] <pvanhoof> using this technique
[02:23] <frans-th> both?
[02:23] <pvanhoof> both, yes
[02:23] <pvanhoof> it sais "releases"
[02:23] <frans-th> what for warty?
[02:23] <pvanhoof> with an s
[02:23] <pvanhoof> there's two releases : warty and hoary
[02:23] <frans-th> i think debian ubuntu warty and hoary have the same repository
[02:23] <borfast> hi everyone. I'm fighting my way through the instalation of vmware-tools (Ubuntu is the guest operating system) but now X bails out and the log says there's a problem with /dev/input/mice - it says it doesn't exist. I've checked that the file does not exist and even more, I've tried loading "psmouse" and "mousedev" modules and neither exists... can someone help me?
[02:24] <apokryphos> frans-th: quite the opposite
[02:24] <Jowi> bimberi: that did shave off some seconds on my browsing. wierd to see that pipelining isn't enabled by default in firefox. thanks.
[02:24] <frans-th> pvanhoof, the mirror is all warty and hoary for all platform right. how to fetch only the i586 version
[02:24] <bimberi> Jowi: yw :)
[02:25] <pvanhoof> frans-th, you'll have to wait for somebody else to answer that
[02:25] <frans-th> pvanhoof? somebody else?
[02:25] <frans-th> pvanhoof: what is that mean, sorry, my english bad...
[02:26] <thoreauputic> frans-th: another person
[02:26] <pvanhoof> I don't know
[02:28] <frans-th> pvanhoof: is ubuntu, have their own version of repo in their every release.
[02:28] <kainos> gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled
[02:30] <frans-th> alo philips r u there
[02:31] <kemik> frans-th:  debian and ubuntu does not use the same repositories
[02:31] <frans-th> kemik: but can share right?
[02:31] <kainos> gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled
[02:32] <frans-th> i just want to make sure my ubuntu here, got update and fast. right now must go to ubuntu.com, and internet slwo here
[02:32] <frans-th> i have hoary and trying breedy here
[02:32] <thoreauputic> frans-th: no a good idea - the repos are not in sync
[02:32] <frans-th> any tips for mirror
[02:32] <frans-th> thoreau: the repos are not in sync? what is that mean
[02:33] <Jowi> frans-th: if you're in europe, the french servers are speedy
[02:33] <thoreauputic> frans-th: it means you should not use debian mirrors with ubuntu
[02:33] <marius__> hi..  i am am new to ubuntu..
[02:33] <marius__> i just installed it :-)
[02:34] <thoreauputic> marius__: welcom :)
[02:34] <Jowi> marius__: congrats
[02:34] <frans-th> thoreau: i used it :( is that problem?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> and congratulations :)
[02:34] <eazel7> hi
[02:34] <eazel7> somebody uses a apache2-php4-mysql hoary?
[02:34] <katrina> gud pm. im running hylafax server for the first time but im having trouble running it. it says...hylafax server is disabled
[02:34] <thoreauputic> frans-th: yes it's a problem: using debian mirrors will break your ubuntu
[02:34] <frans-th> what will be happen if i shre it?
[02:35] <frans-th> thoreau: what is that mean? break ubuntu? i think both are debian right
[02:35] <carambol> is there a issue witk the login screen
[02:35] <thoreauputic> frans-th: no, ubuntu is based on debian - it isn't debian
[02:35] <kemik> frans-th:  ubuntu is based on debian. it isnt debian
[02:36] <kemik> frans-th:  mixing in debian archives may very well break your system so be careful
[02:36] <eazel7> I cannot start the mysql daemon, it cannot find 'localhost' (I defined other name for the pc)
[02:36] <Uthini> bimberi: it worked thx, i killed my gdm window, but now i dunno if the install is running cos i'm back @ work
[02:36] <eazel7> how can I fix it?
[02:36] <frans-th> kemik. thoreau: what is that mean? i know it is not debian, different logo
[02:36] <carambol> i am getting an improvised login screen
[02:36] <kemik> eazel7:  try "cat /etc/hosts" and paste output on pastebin
[02:36] <kemik> !pastebin
[02:36] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:36] <apokryphos> frans-th: it means you shouldn't use the Debian repositories
[02:36] <frans-th> ok, i will be carefully
[02:36] <kemik> frans-th:  it means: dont use Debian repositories
[02:37] <frans-th> anyway, for me, i want to make a repo of ubuntu,
[02:37] <carambol> tellin me the configuration file contains an invalid command
[02:37] <frans-th> but i dont want to manage all those version, one repo for everything
[02:37] <thoreauputic> frans-th: ubuntu is based on a "snapshot" of Debian taken at a particular time - debian has changed since then
[02:37] <apokryphos> frans-th: eh?
[02:37] <eazel7> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1547
[02:37] <eazel7> kemik: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1547
[02:37] <eazel7> sorry
[02:37] <frans-th> thoreau: cannot understand..  what is snapshot that difference..
[02:38] <frans-th> i think i have use the debian repo here :( so, break already right :(
[02:38] <carambol> further on it tells me to fix my configuration
[02:38] <thoreauputic> frans-th: what is your first language?
[02:38] <frans-th> i tought that ubuntu manage mozilla, and debian a rest :(
[02:38] <frans-th> my first language is indonesia,
[02:38] <phreakys> hi
[02:38] <thoreauputic> ah, I see
[02:38] <phreakys> anyone knows if there are opengl2 drivers for linux available yet?
[02:38] <frans-th> sorry for my english :P
[02:38] <apokryphos> frans-th: not at all. Different Distributions of Linux
[02:38] <apokryphos> phreakys: you just missed your response in #kubuntu :P
[02:39] <thoreauputic> frans-th: debian unstable changes all the time: ubuntu only ech 6 months
[02:39] <phreakys> arg
[02:39] <phreakys> yea
[02:39] <frans-th> i just wonder, what is the difference between ubuntu and debian repo, sorry for duplicating answer
[02:39] <frans-th> aha, ubuntu every 6 months :P that is cool
[02:39] <kemik> eazel7:  try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1548 that instead
[02:39] <phreakys> im not sure if mesa is the only way tto go :/
[02:39] <frans-th> little question friends.
[02:40] <frans-th> if i have hoary, will i can upgrade smooth usign the next version of ubuntu, or must reisntall and reformat?
[02:40] <apokryphos> frans-th: they're different Distributions. Like Mandrake, SuSE, MEPIS etc
[02:40] <apokryphos> frans-th: Ubuntu is just *based* on Debian; it differs from it, though.
[02:40] <apokryphos> s/Mandrake/Mandriva ;-)
[02:40] <frans-th> apokryp: i just think they are difference but "must" have same repo, so all the team can share the repo
[02:40] <eazel7> kemik: nothing :( are you sure that is a problem there?
[02:41] <apokryphos> frans-th: you can use <tab> in IRC for auto-completion of nicknames :)
[02:41] <thoreauputic> frans-th: we have told you: if you use debian on ubuntu, bad things can happen
[02:41] <frans-th> i am fedora fans, but i am very dont like the repo of fedora that every version must have their own repo
[02:41] <apokryphos> frans-th: they don't have the same repository since they are different systems.
[02:41] <kemik> eazel7:  no, i think both lines are equivalent, but i wasnt sure..
[02:41] <frans-th> thoreau: i will reinstall this pc so just use ubuntu repo only , thx for that concern
[02:41] <kemik> eazel7:  if you try "ifconfig" the "lo" device is there ?
[02:42] <kemik> l0 even
[02:42] <eazel7> kemik: what you think about this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1549
[02:42] <kemik> or lo.. nvm
[02:42] <thoreauputic> frans-th: yes, good idea :) Just use ubuntu repos
[02:42] <frans-th> apokryp: if different repo, how to make sure, if i have a warty, and i can make it a hoary.. is it hard?
[02:42] <apokryphos> frans-th: very easy in fact! :)
[02:42] <apokryphos> frans-th: are you on warty?
[02:42] <frans-th> apokry: how?
[02:42] <kemik> eazel7:  did you install mysql from debian repos?
[02:42] <eazel7> kemik: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1550
[02:42] <frans-th> i have 8 pc here, 1 wary, 2 hoary, 4 fedora core
[02:43] <eazel7> kemik: I installed it from hoary
[02:43] <frans-th> the fedora core 2,3,4 :)
[02:43] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[02:43] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:43] <frans-th> all my staff in my company use fedora very oftenly, i want to switch to ubuntu, i use ubuntu :P
[02:43] <apokryphos> frans-th: if you are on Warty, put the command above and you will have Hoary!
[02:43] <kemik> eazel7:  comparing your "loopback" to mine get me thinking smoethings wrong on your end
[02:44] <frans-th> but i think the fedora core 2 will be gone in several weeks, becoem ubuntu :)
[02:44] <frans-th> aporkryp: what is the command?
[02:44] <kemik> eazel7:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1551 <- thats what it looks like here..
[02:44] <frans-th> but after this forum very helpfull :) i think i will use ubuntu for standard in my office
[02:44] <apokryphos> frans-th: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:44] <eazel7> kemik: I don't know about netwroks, my sin is to have changed the host name :(
[02:44] <frans-th> but of course after the repo can be mirrored to my office
[02:45] <kemik> eazel7:  what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like ?
[02:45] <apokryphos> frans-th: only use that command on Warty. On Hoary it won't do anything, really.
[02:45] <eazel7> kemik: kinda your loopback works
[02:45] <eazel7> kemik: iface lo inet loopback
[02:45] <frans-th> i will try :P
[02:45] <frans-th> aprokry" so, for upgrade, can i use reinstall mechanism?
[02:45] <kemik> eazel7:  no "auto lo" ?
[02:45] <frans-th> apt-get update is very slowww here :(
[02:45] <eazel7> kemik: gonna add that
[02:45] <apokryphos> frans-th: what country are you in?
[02:46] <kemik> eazel7:  add that above the line you pasted
[02:46] <frans-th> that why, i prefer to get mirror first before upgrade, we must save the internet bandwith, here 56k, for one office
[02:46] <kemik> eazel7:  not sure if this will need to reboot
[02:46] <apokryphos> frans-th: ohh
[02:46] <frans-th> apkryp: i am from indonesia, jakarta city
[02:46] <frans-th> that why i am asking about how to make mirror
[02:46] <XandriX> where do i get gmake ?
[02:46] <apokryphos> frans-th: I'm not sure if you can upgrade from the CD... I think so. Sorry. :S
[02:46] <marius__> sorry , for asking. but can anyone help me
[02:46] <frans-th> i am under goverment program to make sure that investing in ubuntu is the right one,
[02:46] <eazel7> kemik: mysql still does not works, but now my own pc answers the pings
[02:46] <apokryphos> frans-th: do you have the bandwidth to host a mirror?
[02:46] <marius__> i dont know hoe to play mp3?s
[02:47] <apokryphos> !mp3
[02:47] <ubotu> [mp3]  read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[02:47] <eazel7> kemik: thanks kemik now mysql works =)
[02:47] <marius__> thnx :-)
[02:47] <frans-th> apkoryp: if upgrade using internet, i think that is hard, most of our country is not connected to interent
[02:47] <eliphas_> frans-th, maybe there is repositories near you
[02:47] <frans-th> aporkryp: the goverment will give me the bandwidht, and they have approved it, but the server will come soon.
[02:47] <apokryphos> frans-th: ohh
[02:47] <XandriX> erm in what package would i get gmake like apt-get install what
[02:47] <eliphas_> maybe an apt-get with new cd should work
[02:48] <kemik> eazel7:  good :)
[02:48] <frans-th> there is a debian repo here, kuya.vlsm.org but ubuntu
[02:48] <apokryphos> frans-th: one sec, then
[02:48] <frans-th> if you said ubuntu is nto debian, :) we must make it right
[02:48] <frans-th> www.vlsm.org is the biggest repo of Linux in indonesia, there is ubuntu also there
[02:48] <XandriX> so no one knows nice
[02:48] <borfast> after installing vmware-tools (Ubuntu is the guest operating system), X exits and Xorg.0.log says /dev/input/mice doesn't exist. can someone help me getting it back, please?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> XandriX: gmake is GNU make which is in the build-essential package - but what compilation is asking for "gmake" ?
[02:49] <frans-th> thoreau, r u still there?
[02:49] <XandriX> thoreauputic, pearpc
[02:49] <Jowi> XandriX: gmake = make
[02:49] <apokryphos> frans-th: email info@ubuntulinux.org and tell them that you're interested in setting up a Mirror
[02:49] <frans-th> i think all of you must help me understand, what is the difference between ubuntu and debian, and of course the how to mirror work in every version
[02:49] <thoreauputic> XandriX: no compilation should be specifically expecting gmake
[02:49] <bimberi> frans-th: Thee's some information here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/
[02:49] <XandriX> thomerz, where is gmake normally situated
[02:50] <frans-th> apokryp: i cannot send them the email, the server is not come yet, but the rack and the space :P
[02:50] <zukalk> !debian
[02:50] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded"; see http://www.debian.org Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9.  Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[02:50] <thoreauputic> XandriX: it isn't - it's /usr/bin/make
[02:50] <frans-th> all: but how big is the mirror? everyone also ask me about that
[02:50] <frans-th> my idea is to make a mirror here, but...
[02:51] <frans-th> there is a program here to copy all the mirror using DVD or anything to any city here
[02:51] <XandriX> k
[02:51] <thoreauputic> XandriX: for a linux program to expect gmake is absurd
[02:51] <frans-th> so every city here that have very bad internet can get the latest repo..
[02:51] <apokryphos> frans-th: that would be great, yes. :)
[02:52] <JohnFlux> I had to recompile alsa to get my sound drivers.  I've just upgraded my kernel, so I guess I have to do it again?
[02:52] <bimberi> frans-th: From that page - "The archive is currently about 75 GB (covers x86, powerpc, and amd64 architectures)"
[02:52] <frans-th> and i am under contract with govermetn 2 years contract to promote ubuntu to this couontry
[02:52] <JohnFlux> frans-th: which country?
[02:52] <JohnFlux> frans-th: that's so sweet :)
[02:52] <frans-th> under that contract, in 2 years, i must distribute the repo (mirror) to any city that need that
[02:52] <thoreauputic> frans-th: the programs in "main" are avaiable on a DVD I believe
[02:52] <Hmmm> frans-th, i get paid to use linux as well
[02:53] <JohnFlux> i'm a student, so I use what i want ;)
[02:53] <frans-th> thoreau: wow, i never hear that
[02:53] <hopeng> why ubuntu choose gnome as primary not kde ?
[02:53] <frans-th> becaues here, microsoft is sellign windows update cd. :(
[02:53] <Hmmm> frans-th, is your city looking for more recruits?
[02:53] <JohnFlux> hopeng: there's kubuntu which I use
[02:53] <Hmmm> hopeng, i think e17 should be the desktop of choice
[02:53] <hopeng> JohnFlux, i know, but why kde comes in 2nd
[02:53] <cheeby> hi.  quick question.  I am a gentoo user and my local portage tree takes up 4.7 GB.  Does ubuntu have a similar tree?
[02:54] <cheeby> tree for packages, that is.
[02:54] <frans-th> i am seeking a full timer for this kind of work, ubuntu mirror and gforge support services
[02:54] <JohnFlux> hopeng: i'm not sure.  debian people seem gnome orientated.  (i'm a kde developer)
[02:54] <hardw1re> grrr.... my system crashed earlier and now any program trying to use my webcam crashes out, or just cant get any data off of it now
[02:54] <jgjones> hopeng - why want kde? I prefer Gnome. But there is kubuntu though, all the joy of Ubuntu in KDE.
[02:54] <sweda> exit
[02:54] <frans-th> i love gnmoe :)
[02:54] <frans-th> hopeng, there is kde version of ubuntu, kbuntu
[02:54] <hopeng> JohnFlux, yesterday i do apt-get install kde-desktop . seems good, i began to liking kde.
[02:54] <frans-th> thoreau: tell me about the "main" DVD?
[02:54] <JohnFlux> hopeng: which version?
[02:54] <jgjones> I used to use KDE and prefer it over Gnome but now I prefer Gnome beause I find KDE too over-cluttered.
[02:55] <JohnFlux> jgjones: we've been working on it a lot
[02:55] <Originoo> i've installed kde from the kubuntu mirrors
[02:55] <hopeng> JohnFlux, i dont know, i just apt-get it
[02:55] <jgjones> while Gnome is just clean :) But that's one man's opinion.
[02:55] <hopeng> jgjones, im not versusing both, but im just curious, im new btw.
[02:55] <JohnFlux> jgjones: gnome is clean, but too clean for my personal opinion.  i want somewhere inbetween
[02:56] <XandriX> ermm now it requests ginstall lol
[02:56] <jgjones> True I've had that comment that gnome's too clean...I guess for me, it's perfect..clean so that I can make it into what I want :)
[02:56] <Originoo> i've switched to kde becouse of the powerful konqueror ;)
[02:56] <apokryphos> Originoo: good going =)
[02:56] <cheeby> Originoo, you can use konqueror in gnome.
[02:56] <thoreauputic> frans-th: just a minute - please wait
[02:57] <Originoo> but i still prefer to use xterm ;)
[02:57] <XandriX> thoreauputic, what is ginstall suposed to be ?
[02:57] <apokryphos> cheeby: Konqueror is a big part of KDE. If you're going to use the kde browser, file manager, ftp manager, you might as well go a step further :P
[02:57] <eliphas_> what happened to epiphany browser?
[02:57] <Originoo> cheeby: sure, but i get a lot of warnings ;)
[02:57] <thoreauputic> XandriX: no idea - who wrote this stuff?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hey all.  Firewall question:  i'm running samba, but otherwise no server-related tasks.  I did some port scans, and they all came back that the ports were in stealth mode.  The question now: is there any reason why I should be using a firewall, if all the ports are hidden anyway?
[02:57] <cheeby> Originoo, ah.  sorry to hear.
[02:57] <sn0n> hey guys.. anyone else have timing issues with sound (on DVDs) i have totem-gstreamer w/ libdvdcss working, and using_dma returns 1 (on)
[02:58] <cheeby> apokryphos, I don't disagree.
[02:58] <XandriX> thoreauputic, it work son my other machins just not on my xbox-linux wich is debain based
[02:58] <sn0n> like there is no issures with video being choppy (that i can tell), jus the sound is a bit off
[02:58] <sn0n> like think of a older karate movie.. but not as bad
[02:59] <thoreauputic> frans-th:  http://nginyang.uvt.nl/hoary/  (Information about DVDs)
[02:59] <kaptaink> hello, is it possible to password protect selected folders in ubuntu without setting up multiple accounts?
[02:59] <XandriX> oo
[02:59] <Jowi> sn0n: if you haven't already, install totem-xine
[02:59] <XandriX> ginstall is alink to /usr/bin/install
[02:59] <sn0n> Jovi it woundlt play my DVDs
[02:59] <sn0n> it was complaining bout libdvdcss not being found
[02:59] <sn0n> yet totem-gstreamer plays them no problem
[03:00] <XandriX> fixed it
[03:00] <frans_> all sorry disc
[03:00] <JohnFlux> kaptaink: in kde, you just install kgpg ;)
[03:01] <Jowi> sn0n: I ditched totem-gstreamer the first thing i did, installed totem-xine and libdvdcss2. all works fine. (might be against the law in your country)
[03:01] <frans_> guys: can explain me about warty mirror? is still managed?
[03:01] <knoppix_> hello again
[03:01] <kaptaink> Is it possible to password protect selected folders in ubuntu without setting multiple accounts?
[03:01] <frans_> apkoryp: r u there still?
[03:01] <sn0n> lemme try again
[03:01] <JohnFlux> kaptaink: you can't do _with_ multiple accounts
[03:01] <XandriX> thoreauputic, it just didint have the symlinks but now it works fine
[03:01] <frans-th> sorry disc all
[03:02] <kaptaink> even so, is it possible?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> frans-th: did you get the DVD link?
[03:02] <JohnFlux> kaptaink: ask in #gnome if you're a gnome user.  it will involve using gnupg
[03:02] <knoppix_> hello again, im the one who get "error loading operating system"
[03:02] <frans-th> dont get it
[03:02] <frans-th> where is it?
[03:02] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: Yes.  We know who you are.
[03:02] <JohnFlux> knoppix_: :)
[03:02] <kaptaink> thankyou, ill try
[03:02] <thoreauputic> frans-th:   http://nginyang.uvt.nl/hoary/  (Information about DVDs)
[03:02] <apokryphos> frans-th: sorry, didn't notice your message. If you highlight me then I'll be able to check any message :)
[03:02] <frans-th> i got this       rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[03:02] <frans-th> i think the repo DVD is a good step :P
[03:02] <knoppix_> ok!m, i get grub when i boot from the ATA disk
[03:03] <apokryphos> frans-th: Warty mirror is still "developed", but it's not the latest stable release of Ubuntu, and hence, not the most active repository (if active at all :Z).
[03:03] <frans-th> how often the DVD step is released?
[03:03] <sn0n> Alert window pops up sayin "An Error offured             The source seems encrypter, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?"
[03:03] <sn0n> (using totem-xine)
[03:03] <apokryphos> frans-th: with every Release -- every 6 months
[03:03] <sn0n> but works without a hitch with totem-gstreamer
[03:03] <knoppix_> now i can load the ubuntu linux but i cant load the xp
[03:03] <Jowi> sn0n: you need libdvdcss2
[03:03] <sn0n> its installed
[03:03] <frans-th> apkryp: what should i ask to everyone if they install hoary, but in next 6 month there will be a new ubuntu
[03:03] <frans-th> breedy may be
[03:04] <frans-th> they must upgrade, and my team here, will be max 3 person with me to manage the repo
[03:04] <thoreauputic> frans-th: if you are working with government, maybe you should contact Canonical (the company for Ubuntu)
[03:04] <sn0n> libdvdcss2 is already the newest version.
[03:04] <apokryphos> frans-th: Hoary is best. If the server is set up, then they can just change their sources and dist-upgrade to get Breezy :)
[03:04] <sn0n> says apt-get install libdvdcss2
[03:04] <frans-th> i am not work in goverment
[03:04] <dixi> anyone got a working sources.list for me? mines is broken!
[03:04] <dixi> !sources.list
[03:04] <ubotu> dixi: What?
[03:04] <dixi> !sources
[03:04] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:04] <frans-th> i am the team that promoting open source in indonesia, and the other team is goverment
[03:04] <ninnghizidha> (Test)
[03:05] <frans-th> i have a company intercitra, but it is developer software house,
[03:05] <thoreauputic> frans-th: I still think you should talk to Canonical
[03:05] <frans-th> i just called by, to promote ubuntu
[03:05] <apokryphos> frans-th: good stuff! :)
[03:05] <frans-th> have contact for canonical friend
[03:05] <Jowi> !dvd
[03:05] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[03:05] <frans-th> apkry; thx :)
[03:05] <knoppix_> hello!, anyone can help ?
[03:05] <Jowi> sn0n: that should be it. strange that totem-xine can not find it
[03:06] <sn0n> yeah
[03:06] <sn0n> its annoying me. LoL
[03:06] <frans-th> thoreau: what canonical team can offer?
[03:06] <Jowi> i bet :-)
[03:06] <apokryphos> frans-th: info@canonical.com
[03:06] <sn0n> guess i'll just watch office space kungfu sound sytle
[03:06] <apokryphos> frans-th: they are the people that sponsor, and created, Ubuntu
[03:06] <thoreauputic> frans-th: I don't know - talk to them ;)
[03:06] <XandriX> can debian take .tgz packages ?
[03:06] <frans-th> thoreau:the nanyang url about dVD is not work
[03:06] <sn0n> even thou its like 1/4 second off with the timing
[03:06] <sn0n> its kinda annoying
[03:06] <sn0n> hehe
[03:06] <frans-th> i will email :P
[03:06] <hopeng> XandriX, yes
[03:06] <XandriX> ok
[03:06] <mof> knoppix_, whats your problem
[03:07] <sn0n> oh well
[03:07] <Jowi> sn0n: maybe you should try gmplayer then.
[03:07] <sn0n> such is life
[03:07] <sn0n> gmplayer ?
[03:07] <frans-th> what should i ask to canonical?
[03:07] <XandriX> hopeng, how do i install one ?
[03:07] <Davey|Work> sn0n: do you have DMA turned on? :)
[03:07] <apokryphos> frans-th: try typing  apok and then hit <tab>  =)
[03:07] <Jowi> sn0n: mplayer can fine-adjust sound sync
[03:07] <sn0n> Davey|Work, yes
[03:07] <pvanhoof> osfameron, breezy works pretty good atm, so you can already check it out
[03:07] <Davey|Work> OK
[03:07] <apokryphos> frans-th: tell them the situation; they'll help get you set up.
[03:07] <sn0n> i'll try gmplayer
[03:08] <XandriX> hopeng, how do i install one ? how ?
[03:08] <pvanhoof> frans-th, if you want to promote ubuntu in your country, I suggest ordering cd's from canonical. They are free
[03:08] <knoppix_> i have installed ubuntu and now i can load windows xp, windows xp is installed in a SATA disk, like ubuntu linux, but i dont know how the grub has been installed in the ATA disk
[03:08] <JohnFlux> speaking of DMA, why doesn't ubuntu enable DMA on the devices automatically? :(
[03:08] <frans-th> pvanhoof: but order is cost, i think if i can develop, can save their cost..
[03:09] <apokryphos> pvanhoof: setting up a mirror would be a greater help
[03:09] <hopeng> XandriX, ubuntu can handle tgz, it comes with default installation, correct me if im wrong
[03:09] <apokryphos> pvanhoof: particularly if he gets help from the government
[03:09] <pvanhoof> frans-th, it might be useful to ask for a customized one where the ubuntu mirror is filled it with a host in your country
[03:09] <frans-th> i just have a small eager: to make ubuntu everywhere here :) there are 2 Linux User Group develop a distro from fedora, :) i think my turn to make ubuntu :P
[03:09] <sn0n> hmm
[03:09] <XandriX> hopeng, it still doesent tell me howto install one after
[03:09] <sn0n> does gmplayer have a website ?
[03:09] <mof> knoppix_, why dind'nt you install grub
[03:09] <frans-th> pvanhoof, i email them already
[03:09] <pvanhoof> apokryphos, I explained him how to rsync to a mirror
[03:09] <Jowi> sn0n: google for mplayer :-)
[03:09] <hopeng> XandriX, whats in your .tgz ?
[03:10] <XandriX> hopeng, pearpc
[03:10] <knoppix_> ?
[03:10] <frans-th> apokryp: i got a letter from goverment, the R&D Minister, so i have donation server from Sun, :)
[03:10] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: he has 56k dialup :/
[03:10] <pvanhoof> ugh
[03:10] <frans-th> and the rest, i need somthing and input
[03:10] <apokryphos> frans-th: thats' great to here. Mention that in the email. :)
[03:10] <mof> knoppix_, you installed grub as bootmanager ?
[03:10] <frans-th> Sun wants JDS in that repo :) but i prefere Ubuntu.. and the gov, approved it
[03:10] <frans-th> the gov said, sun donate it not control it :)
[03:10] <pvanhoof> 56k .. but how can a mirror work on a 56k modem line?
[03:11] <frans-th> hehe. :)
[03:11] <apokryphos> Hehe
[03:11] <sn0n> fuck it
[03:11] <sn0n> i'll just deal with the 1/4 second
[03:11] <frans-th> R&D, and duplicating ubuntu CDnow, and distribute to 500 PC for donation, anyway, the PC is donate by Microsoft :) hehe
[03:11] <sn0n> too much of a hassle before school
[03:11] <sn0n> lol
[03:11] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: he wants a local mirror i suppose
[03:11] <pvanhoof> frans-th, go to your gov. and ask for a good internet connection
[03:12] <apokryphos> pvanhoof: he's getting other servers
[03:12] <pvanhoof> thoreauputic, so he wants canonical to send a new cd evertime they upgrade a package?
[03:12] <knoppix_> yes, but before installing ubuntu the first boot device was the SATA disk with the windows xp
[03:12] <liquidfire> hmmm
[03:12] <frans-th> pvanhoof: the R&D minister, have an ISP, the bandwidht is free for 2years, they will provide it, but of course under IIX ,our internet gateway, which fast for indonesian not for outside indonesia
[03:12] <liquidfire> i need to reinstall windows
[03:12] <liquidfire> but my dvd seems to be fucked up
[03:12] <liquidfire> :o
[03:12] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: no I think he means he will be getting bandwidth soon
[03:12] <apokryphos> frans-th: yes, sounds good.
[03:12] <frans-th> pvanhoof: I dont want canonical send the CD, if i can create by my self, i will do it.
[03:12] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: it's a bit hard to communicate :)
[03:12] <pvanhoof> ah ok .. they he should wait for that bandwidth :)
[03:13] <frans-th> the bandwidth will got from http://www.iptek.net.id
[03:13] <frans-th> this is govermetn ISP
[03:13] <mof> knoppix_, you have one hd or 2
[03:13] <pvanhoof> frans-th, tell them you need the internet connection now
[03:13] <knoppix_> and after installing ubuntu i can load windows xp booting from SATA neither booting by grub installed on the ATA disk
[03:13] <pvanhoof> not tomorrow, but now
[03:13] <apokryphos> hehehe
[03:13] <frans-th> ya, i just now under approval, the proposal already signed, but we know, indoensian goverment is slow :( slower than a shell :P
[03:13] <knoppix_> i have 3 disks 2 SATA and 1 ATA
[03:14] <sn0n> what the hell
[03:14] <mof> it is not booting by grub ?
[03:14] <frans-th> i have 100MBps internet bandwidth under IIX, but none for international bandwidth
[03:14] <sn0n> totem is tryin to tell me the ENTIRE movie is 3 min long
[03:14] <sn0n> lol
[03:14] <knoppix_> i thought taht ubuntu will install grub on the SATA disk but didnt
[03:14] <pvanhoof> frans-th, ok. so tell them you need at least 10MBs international bandwidth
[03:14] <frans-th> i think 100MBps is cool, but IIX is only in java island and sumatera island, we have 5 big islands. so the rest must use offline media such as CD or DVD
[03:15] <frans-th> pvanhoof, international bandwith here is very expensive, no one provide it :(
[03:15] <pvanhoof> frans-th, for a ubuntu mirror, you need it
[03:15] <frans-th> becaues international expensive, that why all ISPs here create our own hub,
[03:15] <pvanhoof> there's no other way
[03:16] <pvanhoof> yes but the source of ubuntu packages is not located locally in indonesia, right?
[03:16] <mof> knoppix_, change first boot device to the hd where ubuntu if you have installed grub
[03:16] <frans-th> i think, i will ask 32kb, for rsync ,, i is cost US$ 400/months, expensive dude
[03:16] <apokryphos> pvanhoof: hence him wanting to get a mirror setup there
[03:16] <TraceGreen> Hello, I am very instrested in adding splash to liveCD, can anyone give me some idea?
[03:16] <mof> knoppix_, sometimes linux has problems with sata
[03:16] <frans-th> now, becaues i am waitint the Sun's server, right now i am learning how to make mirror, so if the server down, the setup can be fast..
[03:17] <larsrohdin> can you order breezy from shipit yet?
[03:17] <pvanhoof> frans-th, what you could do is let somebody send you a dvd or cd with an rsync checkout, copy it on your harddrive and rsync it again
[03:17] <frans-th> that is the destination of my chat today
[03:17] <carajean> ok can someone help me install my nvidia drivers properly?
[03:17] <frans-th> pvanhoof: that is a good idea, but where i can get the DVD, if i download DVD, 4GB, i think need 2 months :P
[03:18] <knoppix_> if i boot from the SATA i get an error message "error loading operating system" (ubuntu is installed in the SATA the same disk that is installed the xp) and if i boot from the ATA disk i get grub and i can load ubuntu but i cant load windows xp
[03:18] <pvanhoof> frans-th, ask canonical to send one
[03:18] <frans-th> ok ok
[03:18] <frans-th> thx
[03:18] <frans-th> i think i will ask all of you again after that
[03:18] <pvanhoof> with instructions
[03:18] <pvanhoof> ask them to give you instructions on how to upgrade the checkout
[03:18] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: surely canonical would be interested in helping an Indonesian Ubuntu promotion? It's ahuge country in population...
[03:18] <apokryphos> frans-th: seriously, email Canonical and tell them the situation
[03:18] <mof> knoppix_, edit your menu.lst from grub
[03:18] <thoreauputic> yes
[03:18] <thrion> Hi all, I need help, i'm a newbie and i installed Ubuntu and later i installed windows xp and have a dual boot, but the problem is i lost the grub screen and the computer automatically boots into Winddows, can anyone help me getting back the grub screen
[03:19] <mof> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:19] <thoreauputic> frans-th: definitely email Canonical
[03:19] <zzzzzsolt> hey
[03:19] <pvanhoof> thoreauputic, if the gov is really serious about this, they would have given frans-th a huge amount of bandwidth
[03:19] <EasterSunshine> anyone knows where i can find a comprehensive guide to how to handle my /etc holder? eg which files don't need to be there, and how to use those that do?
[03:19] <dixi> hmm.. I downloaded the package nvidia-glx, and I did nvidia-glx-config enable.. but startx gives me the error 'Module NVIDIA not found'
[03:19] <larsrohdin> thrion, yeah xp overwrites the master boot record... you should install xp first an then ubuntu... thats easiest
[03:19] <carajean> ok i take it no one know a thing about the nvidia drivers? i have been working on this for the last 2 days and have followed every guide
[03:20] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: well, i gather things move slowly in Indonesia :)
[03:20] <knoppix_> when i try to load xp from the grub i get this "root (hd1,0) filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 savedefault make active chainloader +1" and halts the system
[03:20] <pvanhoof> thoreauputic, you can't put an engineer on that job if you give him only a 56 kb modem
[03:20] <frans-th> pvanhoof: i have unlimited local bandwith, which i said, 100Mbps shared, :P
[03:20] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: of course
[03:20] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: slowly -- indeed :).
[03:20] <pvanhoof> frans-th, yes but that local 100Mbps is not useful
[03:20] <eazel7> somebody configured b2evo and hoary?
[03:21] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: we had a guy in #kubuntu not too long ago in an Internet Cafe which shared a 28 KB/s modem
[03:21] <mof> knoppix_, is win xp installed on first hd like hda ?
[03:21] <dixi> stop ignoring me guys
[03:21] <Xappe> thrion: that could be solved if you do something like: boot from a livecd. chroot to you ubuntu install. reinstall grub and, if necessary, edit your menu.lst
[03:21] <pvanhoof> you need to get the packages from an ubuntu mirror, which isn't located in your country
[03:21] <knoppix_> how could i see it?
[03:21] <frans-th> thour: our open source movement suck, last year, all the goverment team under push to be kicked :) you know by the god of everything, but last time we did an event, IGOS event, success, because of thsi the repo mirror project approved
[03:21] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes, i think I was there for a while :)
[03:21] <nophix> dixi: sudo modprobe nvidia
[03:21] <dixi> nophix: module nvidia not found
[03:21] <thrion> Xappe: Thanks
[03:21] <frans-th> pvanhoof: 100MBps is the maximum of our ethernet, and unlimite for use forever
[03:22] <nophix> dixi: then it's not installed
[03:22] <frans-th> here, Isps never charge how big the file send, but how wide the bandwidth will.
[03:22] <knoppix_> no is installed in sda
[03:22] <pvanhoof> frans-th, you need 10Mbps internationally
[03:22] <dixi> nophix: I installed the package nvidia-glx
[03:22] <TraceGreen> Hello, Can anyone tell me how Ubuntu add bootsplash to LiveCD?
[03:22] <pvanhoof> period .. get that first
[03:22] <thrion> larsrohdin: is there any simple way?
[03:22] <nophix> dixi: you need nvidia-kernel-something too
[03:22] <mof> sda
[03:22] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: you want to add a bootsplash to your installed Ubuntu?
[03:22] <pvanhoof> frans-th, oh and .. you will be transferring a huge amount of data over that 10mbs every few days
[03:23] <dixi> nophix: ok, installed that one
[03:23] <pvanhoof> frans-th, so tell your gov. : I need it
[03:23] <dixi> nophix: still can't find the module
[03:23] <larsrohdin> thrion, i don't know... I only know that the easiest is to install xp first... xp is evil and it will always try to take over your computer=)
[03:23] <mof> knoppix_ --> (hd1,0) change this into (hd0,0)
[03:24] <carajean> hey is someone else having trouble installing drivers to :)
[03:24] <nophix> dixi: try a reboot
[03:24] <frans-th> pvanhoof: the govemern know it already, it is under my proposal :P
[03:24] <knoppix_> excuse me but im a newbie where do i have to change it?
[03:24] <chrismy> topyli, heyyyyyy
[03:24] <frans-th> but, my homework is, i must make this project still run after 2 years, goverment only give 2 years bandwidth.
[03:25] <frans-th> and cost for 2 staff sallaries for 1 years
[03:25] <EasterSunshine> what is the aptitude syntax for purging a package?
[03:25] <apokryphos> frans-th: you'll have time to try to beg for more after 2 years :)
[03:25] <knoppix_> now i have booted with a knoppix live cd
[03:25] <frans-th> the job of 2 staff is become a free trainer of ubuntu and help everyone who want to develop their own mirror
[03:25] <pvanhoof> frans-th, ok .. what will happen after two years is not yet important
[03:25] <Xappe> thrion: if you have a livecd, a chroot is just a couple of keybord strikes away
[03:25] <chrismy> topyli, i need your help again
[03:25] <frans-th> adn of course, to help everyone setup the gforge.org
[03:25] <thrion> Xappe: i have only a install cd :(
[03:25] <frans-th> apkryp:  i will try to make it become forever project :)
[03:26] <pvanhoof> frans-th, you will get more users if you giveaway cds
[03:26] <pvanhoof> you can get them for free
[03:26] <binchillin> can i connect to net using live ubuntu?
[03:26] <pvanhoof> even the shipment cost is free (depends on your country)
[03:26] <carajean> ok guys since no one will answer my question i will just state the problem ok i download the nivida drivers follow the wiki on ubuntu i shut down x the first time something went wrong so i had to change nvidia back to nv but that didnt work this time so i deleted the line load glx and it booted can someone help me with this new information i have provided?
[03:26] <frans-th> but the cost of CDs, is under my responsibility
[03:26] <pvanhoof> frans-th, they are free
[03:26] <pvanhoof> frans-th, Canonical pays for that
[03:26] <pvanhoof> ask them
[03:26] <chrismy> hmm anyone good in filesystem and who can help help me?
[03:26] <Xappe> thrion: try to get one...they're quite handy sometimes :)
[03:26] <frans-th> for my calculation there is 4000 internet cafe, around 400 install ubuntu :) or may be 200
[03:26] <frans-th> pays?
[03:26] <mof> knoppix_, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:27] <pvanhoof> frans-th, I ordered 250 .. I didn't have to pay one euro
[03:27] <thoreauputic> frans-th: canonical will give you CDs
[03:27] <frans-th> cannonical need money i think, how do they can get money? it is expensive right
[03:27] <frans-th> my friend here, got ubuntu cd from canonical :) but i think give away the CD is useless, we need aprogram.
[03:27] <pvanhoof> frans-th, ask canonical, they will GIVE you the cds
[03:27] <frans-th> this program to make us, quit from microsoft lock in :)
[03:28] <chrismy> anyone?
[03:28] <thrion> Xappe: ok
[03:28] <gilles_> hi again
[03:28] <frans-th> i ve emailed canonical already, but still strange, how can they give it free
[03:28] <pvanhoof> frans-th, yes .. ask for the cds
[03:28] <chrismy> how do i check for my devices? mount?
[03:28] <knoppix_> ok ill try it, thx
[03:28] <pvanhoof> frans-th, some very very rich guy pays them
[03:28] <gilles_> i'm having troubles with 3d apps with a geforce 6600gt
[03:28] <thoreauputic> frans-th:  http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[03:28] <frans-th> i ask for the mirror, not CD, :) i think i still have money to copy the CD and distribute.
[03:28] <mof> knoppix_, win xp is installed on sda , right ?
[03:29] <pvanhoof> frans-th, I'm being serious .. you don't have to pay the cds (and in most countries you don't have to pay for the shipment)
[03:29] <carajean> gilles did u install the drivers yet?
[03:29] <gilles_> it's running fine only for a couple of minutes and after everything froze
[03:29] <frans-th> i am here, still confuse if i promote 100% my time to ubuntu, how can i surveive :)
[03:29] <knoppix_> yes
[03:29] <gilles_> carajean: yes and 3d is working
[03:29] <pvanhoof> http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[03:29] <pvanhoof> check it out
[03:29] <EasterSunshine> The following packages have been kept back: <--aptitude lists a lot of pacakges under that. by kept back, it means, they will NOT be removed?
[03:29] <carajean> ok can u tell me how u installed them i cant get help here otherwise?
[03:29] <frans-th> pvanhoof: i wait they reply
[03:30] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: yes
[03:30] <hans> this must be a FAQ but I can't find it. How do I disable the ANNOYING MD5sum checking that doesn't work?
[03:30] <gilles_> carajean: using synaptic
[03:30] <mof> knoppix_, querry me and post the lines from menu.lst where win xp is
[03:30] <frans-th> ok, back to mirror, which will become my job here
[03:30] <Angrod> how do i install new hardware? actualy. i folowed this tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623& but i got an error when i tried to make ieeee802(something) and now my wirelesscard is gone :( and i want it back! :O how? and why do i get an error when i try to make ieeee802 something :(
[03:30] <frans-th> what should i do, if ubuntu launch the new version?
[03:30] <dixi> my nvidia drivers still dont work
[03:31] <apokryphos> frans-th: email Canonical... they will give you all the details that we cannot give
[03:31] <carajean> how did u use that? and what games are u playing?
[03:31] <dixi> I think they aren't shaped for 2.6.10-k7
[03:31] <frans-th> for my work? are our team must manage the warty repo, hoary repo, breedy repo?
[03:31] <pvanhoof> frans-th, with your current modem, you'll have to wait days and weeks to get your mirror updated
[03:31] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, I want to add it to liveCD
[03:31] <frans-th> apkryp: i emailed them already..
[03:31] <pvanhoof> frans-th, with a 10Mbps line you'd have to wait lets say a few hours
[03:31] <carajean> yeah dixi it seems ubuntu doesnt like nvidia very much
[03:31] <chrismy> hellooo
[03:31] <dixi> carajean: I think ubuntu is corrupt.. they received money from ATi
[03:31] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: :Z
[03:31] <frans-th> but 100Mbps isnot from ubuntu.com to our server, but from all internet cafe to our server...
[03:31] <carajean> UH OH NO!
[03:31] <apokryphos> frans-th: excellent
[03:31] <thoreauputic> dixi: what??
[03:31] <carajean> not ATI
[03:32] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, what do you mean ?
[03:32] <apokryphos> frans-th: Right. I understand.
[03:32] <pvanhoof> frans-th, indeed, that is why you need the 10Mbps international internet connection
[03:32] <frans-th> from our server to ubuntu.com max 64kbps, but this is very big cost for me.
[03:32] <dixi> thoreauputic: just joking man.. but the nvidia drivers are suddently broken for me
[03:32] <paulproteus> carajean: ATI is known manufacturer and distributor of video cards.
[03:32] <gilles_> carajean: i ran ppracer :it ran fine for say 5 minutes and after all is frozen ; killing x don't work
[03:32] <thoreauputic> dixi: ah OK ;)
[03:32] <dixi> thoreauputic: can you help me..?
[03:32] <carajean> man i sell computer products i know what they are
[03:32] <frans-th> 10Mbps international, cannot lar, our couontry all is only 32MBps (maybe),
[03:32] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: bootsplash as in... a GRUB splash?
[03:32] <paulproteus> frans-th: You should get a local mirror inside your country, or your organization.
[03:32] <thoreauputic> dixi: not really - i know nothing about nvidia or ati, sorry
[03:33] <dixi> when I am starting my X server it gives the error 'module nvidia not found'
[03:33] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, he's trying to set up that mirror. Smarty :)
[03:33] <carajean> i personally hate ati products and will never by one again
[03:33] <frans-th> paul: that is my job here, i think i must fnd the solution, for those, inside my country and my ogranization, that why i am here :P
[03:33] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, no, i mean i what to add boot splash
[03:33] <dixi> carajean: ATi works, nvidia doesn't
[03:33] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, sorry for my english.
[03:33] <paulproteus> pvanhoof: Oh, sorry, I came late into the conversation.
[03:33] <carajean> what the drivers?
[03:33] <pvanhoof> :p
[03:33] <dixi> carajean: the whole thing
[03:33] <dixi> SOMEONE HELP ME:@
[03:33] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: usplash? On which part, exactly, do you want the splash to appear?
[03:33] <paulproteus> frans-th: Do you want an official mirror, or just something you can point people to?
[03:33] <apokryphos> dixi: drop the caps
[03:34] <carajean> umm nvidia does work under windows just fine
[03:34] <frans-th> if i can make the mirror become my mirror under my organization without eating bandwidht itnernet, i can make it work in all our country :) esp the 3 island, that dont have internet big bandwidth
[03:34] <carajean> just not linux :(
[03:34] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, his problem is that his gov can't give him a lot bandwidth
[03:34] <dixi> carajean: I think linux has been modified to bug me
[03:34] <frans-th> paul, i will make the mirror free, goverment pay for the bandwidth, sun give us the server
[03:34] <apokryphos> dixi: and if someone can help you, they will try; you don't have to shout repetively to get someone to notice you. If no-one can help, then try again later.
[03:34] <carajean> not just u
[03:34] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, ok, when i boot from knoppix liveCD, it will show many boot message, but like gnoppix, just a progress bar when booting
[03:34] <gilles_> it seems that i'm not alone having troubles with nvidia :)
[03:34] <dixi> apokryphos: ah I see you all turned against me
[03:34] <frans-th> but the server must be shared with the gforge.org repo also
[03:34] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, i know gnoppix is based on ubuntu
[03:34] <carajean> nope there is 3 of us
[03:34] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: doesn't the LiveCD already have one?
[03:34] <dixi> is there a offical ubuntu channel around?
[03:35] <gilles_> i hope it will be solved soon
[03:35] <paulproteus> Sounds easy enough, frans-th.  I think you should file a bug with the Ubuntu bugzilla, or ask in #ubuntu-dev
[03:35] <apokryphos> dixi: turned against you? What *are* you talking about?
[03:35] <frans-th> ok ok :)
[03:35] <apokryphos> dixi: /topic
[03:35] <paulproteus> ubuntu-devel , rather.
[03:35] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, knoppix just show splash in the middle of booting, not whole process
[03:35] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, as i know
[03:35] <carajean> naw i been here for 2 and a half days not solved yet
[03:35] <frans-th> paul: i am new in this area :) sorry for asking to much
[03:35] <paulproteus> frans-th: No trouble at all!
[03:35] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: you haven't heard the problems
[03:35] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: Guess not.
[03:35] <dixi> i'll boot on my  386 kernel.. at least it works
[03:35] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: he ahs serious bandwidth issues
[03:35] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: seems to me like any changes there would have to be made to the LiveCD themselves... not some setting once you're on.
[03:36] <binchillin> can i connect to net using live ubuntu?
[03:36] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, his current bandwidth is only a 56 k modem
[03:36] <frans-th> but, the good thing, our IGOS program now adopted by ASEAN :)
[03:36] <nophix> binchillin: of course
[03:36] <binchillin> ok, ty
[03:36] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, do you mean i should customer the liveCD?
[03:36] <frans-th> pvanhoff: all our comapny in indonesia get 56kbps :) using kabel or dialup..
[03:36] <whyameye> anybody know how to vpn into a Windows network using ubuntu?
[03:36] <pvanhoof> yes, you need more
[03:37] <frans-th> ADSL there, but too expensive..
[03:37] <paulproteus> pvanhoof: I see. :)
[03:37] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: I'm saying you'd probably have to, for that change. Still not entirely sure what you're trying to get... I was sure Ubuntu had a Splash Screen while it loads modules etc
[03:37] <pvanhoof> frans-th, you need more. period
[03:37] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: though, as I recall, it was ugly :P
[03:37] <pvanhoof> frans-th, it's not possible to do a serious ubuntu mirror on a 56k connection
[03:37] <frans-th> pvanhoof: cannot get more.. because our country have a silly company name tElkom, they monopolize the bandwidth,
[03:37] <frans-th> pvanhoof: how can not possible?
[03:38] <pvanhoof> frans-th, they your gov should talk to tElkom
[03:38] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, when boot ubuntu liveCD, it will show many boot message but no splash
[03:38] <paulproteus> frans-th: At 56 kilobytes per second, you can download one gigabyte in 1.7 days according to Google calculator
[03:38] <mindamp> what else to i need to do to get make working other than "apt-get install gcc"?
[03:38] <NanoBCN> Hi guys
[03:38] <paulproteus> Hi, NanoBCN..
[03:38] <thoreauputic> frans-th: if your government is serious about this, they *must* give you bandwidth
[03:38] <NanoBCN> I'm experiencing problems burning DVDs. Let me copy the error:
[03:38] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: perhaps it doesn't then
[03:38] <NanoBCN> /dev/hdc: "Current Write Speed" is 2.5x1385KBps.
[03:38] <NanoBCN> :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=3h/ASC=0Ch/ACQ=80h] : Input/output error
[03:38] <NanoBCN> :-( write failed: Input/output error
[03:38] <NanoBCN> any idea of what could be happening?
[03:38] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, the current releases archive is +- 30 gig :). So he'd need a month to get all the updates
[03:38] <pvanhoof> that's insane :)
[03:38] <paulproteus> frans-th: Do you need bandwidth just to download the files?
[03:38] <mindamp> anyone?
[03:38] <frans-th> pvanhoof: we did, but telkom like to push us :(, several time they did a very bad practices, like bill the ADSL customer 4x, imageing the monthly fee is expensive.
[03:39] <paulproteus> frans-th: Once you have the files downloaded, it's just within-country bandwidth, and that is more than 56k, right?
[03:39] <frans-th> paul: i think i can only have 64kbps from ubuntu.com server to our mirror server, but 100Mbps from our server to the rest
[03:39] <pvanhoof> frans-th, you could ask canonical to send you a cd or dvd with all the updates every week :)
[03:39] <apokryphos> frans-th: yes, you'd need better bandwidth. It wouldn't be possible otherwise.
[03:39] <paulproteus> apokryphos: I don't agree.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: yes - he is getting in country bandwidth
[03:40] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, do you gnoppix?
[03:40] <aluno_> oi
[03:40] <apokryphos> TraceGreen: Nope. I don't g* :P
[03:40] <frans-th> pvanhoof: r u kidding? are they dont have time, sending me CD :) i am here must work and finding project for this kind of job..
[03:40] <TraceGreen> apokryphos, anyway, thanks very much!!
[03:40] <paulproteus> If he can get the current distribution on DVDs or CD or something, then he can download updates easily enough.
[03:40] <pvanhoof> frans-th, once you have the first checkout .. updating with rsync might be doable (because rsync will only fetch the changes)
[03:40] <pvanhoof> but still .. it will take a lot time each week
[03:40] <aluno> no estou entendo
[03:41] <aluno_> bom dia galera
[03:41] <paulproteus> frans-th: If what it takes is me burning you a few CDs and sending them to you, I might be able to just do that.
[03:41] <t-r-s> hi, i got the kubuntu live cd and now i want to connect to internet via dsl (network) but i don't know what i have to do because it's my first time on linux
[03:41] <apokryphos> paulproteus: erm, you agreed earlier. How exactly would he have a proper mirror if he can only get modem speed from outside?
[03:41] <aluno> Bom dia
[03:41] <frans-th> apkyrp: if you ask about better bandwidht, :) i think that is not possible, except you turn me become a God that wise :) remember this is suck country, i ampersonally dont like this country, but bornhere :)
[03:41] <pamungkas> hi, how do i use rhythmbox to play mp3s? or even on totem it wont play:(
[03:41] <paulproteus> apokryphos: Step 1: Bootstrap off CD/DVD.  Step 2: Nightly rsync to official mirror.
[03:41] <apokryphos> frans-th: :)
[03:41] <aluno> Jos Augusto
[03:41] <snorks> what's the difference between debian and gnome, and ubuntu?
[03:41] <pamungkas> bom siapa boss?
[03:41] <snorks> err rather
[03:41] <apokryphos> paulproteus: a full mirror does daily builds, no?
[03:41] <snorks> what's the difference between debian w/ gnome, and ubuntu?
[03:41] <paulproteus> He can download more than half a gig a day at 56 kilobits, and daily updates are never that big, apokryphos.
[03:41] <paulproteus> apokryphos: I was just thinking releases, not breezy.
[03:42] <paulproteus> I guess I forgot about unreleased distros.
[03:42] <frans-th> paul: what kind of CD, we have warty, hoary, and those CDs distributed around country :)
[03:42] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, indeed, it's doable. Somebody has to send him a checkout on cds
[03:42] <pamungkas> anyone know how i can play mp3s on my ubuntu?
[03:42] <frans-th> in makasar, sulawesi island, the bandwith for all this island , only 17Mbps, and ubuntu is popular :P
[03:42] <nophix> !mp3
[03:42] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:42] <paulproteus> frans-th: Yes, now I understand - the problem is breezy.
[03:42] <apokryphos> paulproteus: more than half a gig with 56kb/s? Not even close.
[03:42] <frans-th> pvanhoof: if somebody can send me the checkoud CD, that will be good,
[03:42] <paulproteus> apokryphos: http://www.google.com/search?hs=uHY&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=one+gigabytes+divided+by+%2856+kilobits+per+second%29&btnG=Search
[03:42] <pamungkas> so i can't play mp3s?
[03:43] <paulproteus> pamungkas: Yes, you can.  Read the page. :)
[03:43] <frans-th> but if you can put the .iso, i can download here, but make sure dont delete in 2 months, 1 CD around 2 weeks to download
[03:43] <pamungkas> ok thanks
[03:43] <snorks> pamungkas: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[03:43] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, I'd say send him a new cd with new packages per distro and give him the rsync command for getting updates on ONLY hoary (and warty)
[03:43] <snorks> pamungkas: gst-register-0.8
[03:43] <chrismy> topyli, are you there?
[03:43] <pvanhoof> s/per distro/per release
[03:43] <apokryphos> paulproteus: it *never* goes that fast
[03:43] <pvanhoof> and when breezy is released, let him adjust the rsync command to include breezy packages
[03:43] <pvanhoof> (after he copied the packages on the cd)
[03:44] <paulproteus> Even at half that rate would be no problem if he's just downloading updates.
[03:44] <conrad_> hi
[03:44] <frans-th> paul: the problem is breezy? what is that mean?
[03:44] <t-r-s> no one here who can help me?
[03:44] <apokryphos> It's a shaky business
[03:44] <pvanhoof> frans-th, breezy is the next release of ubuntu
[03:44] <snorks> what's the difference between debian w/ gnome, and ubuntu?
[03:44] <paulproteus> frans-th: Breezy is updated constantly right now.
[03:44] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: hahah - do you imagine in Indonesia that 56k is even reliably two thirds of that?
[03:44] <pamungkas> thanks snorks
[03:44] <conrad_> can i come in on  a question relating to sound?
[03:44] <nerdy2> snorks: ubuntu has a selection of programs it chooses to support more than others,   and it's generally very reasonably up to date,  and it has regular release cycles, ...
[03:44] <thenuke> conrad_: sure
[03:44] <frans-th> i have breeze beta here :) my friend from vlsm.org download it :)
[03:44] <paulproteus> frans-th: Once it's released, it'll stop updating so fast.
[03:44] <frans-th> but i use hoary here :)
[03:44] <pvanhoof> paulproteus, I wouldn't support breezy this way
[03:44] <frans-th> paul;
[03:45] <frans-th> paul: that is cool information
[03:45] <pvanhoof> it's insane :)
[03:45] <kemik> t-r-s:  try "ifconfig" and see if you're assigned an IP address for starters
[03:45] <NanoBCN> anyone here knows a bit DVD burning problems?
[03:45] <conrad_> thx thenuke: i have sound driver share issues. which stops the kde sound system (arts) from starting
[03:45] <snorks> nerdy2: but with a normal debian install i would be forced to set up kernel somewhat more thorough than ubuntu install?
[03:45] <kemik> NanoBCN:  be more specifik
[03:45] <apokryphos> There is zero possibility that you could be a prper mirror if you can only get 56kb/s from outside. Period.
[03:45] <frans-th> anyway, for testing: there will be 2 full timer for breezy and gforge in our company, to support open source :)
[03:45] <conrad_> i have done artsd -s esd
[03:45] <apokryphos> frans-th: nice :)
[03:45] <pvanhoof> apokryphos, for a warty mirror ... it's possible. For a Hoary one, perhaps
[03:45] <pvanhoof> for breezy, no
[03:45] <frans-th> if you all team can help, i think there will be 100s volunteer can donate to ubuntu :)
[03:45] <Malin> isn't Ubuntu Live supposed to mount hard drives automatically?
[03:46] <apokryphos> pvanhoof: not really a proper mirror then
[03:46] <frans-th> if not, i am personally will help :)
[03:46] <NanoBCN> kemik, I'm not able to burn any data DVDs anymore: nautilus-cd-burner gives me errors after creating image and gnomebaker doesn't even do that
[03:46] <t-r-s> kemik, i get an error because i use the live cd
[03:46] <pvanhoof> apokryphos, a proper mirror for hoary and warty .. but not for breezy
[03:46] <paulproteus> frans-th: You should email MDZ or someone else official.
[03:46] <frans-th> paul: so, you prefer me to wait breezy release, and make the mirror of that, and forget warty and hoary right
[03:46] <nerdy2> snorks:   i've not done the ubuntu install, so i dunno
[03:46] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: he has emailed canonical
[03:46] <pvanhoof> frans-th, no :)
[03:46] <frans-th> paul: MDZ? what is that
[03:46] <paulproteus> frans-th: Given the bandwidth limitation, I'd expect you can't mirror breezy yet.  You can mirror warty and hoary right now, I'd expect.
[03:46] <kemik> t-r-s:  ah. well i cant help with the livecd. never used it myself
[03:46] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: Oh, okay.
[03:46] <snorks> ;[
[03:47] <snorks> nerdy2: you use debian?
[03:47] <apokryphos> frans-th: a user on here :). We are all just normal Ubuntu users. =)
[03:47] <paulproteus> frans-th: MDZ is a Canonical employee.
[03:47] <t-r-s> kemik, ok thx
[03:47] <paulproteus> frans-th: Do you need help mirroring Warty and Hoary?
[03:47] <frans-th> paul: give me the steps... what should i do...
[03:47] <nerdy2> snorks: no i use ubuntu :)
[03:47] <nerdy2> snorks: on this machine anyways
[03:47] <paulproteus> frans-th: It's the same as making a Debian mirror.
[03:47] <snorks> nerdy2: but you never installed it?
[03:47] <apokryphos> frans-th: you can probably speak to many Canonical employees in #ubuntu-devel
[03:47] <nerdy2> snorks: no :),  i did a very questionable debian-to-ubuntu transition :)
[03:47] <frans-th> paul: mirroring warty and hoary? yes, but the server is not here, yet, Sun did a very slow job, we ordered for in last 2 months, but still not arrive.
[03:47] <NanoBCN> the fun part is that it used to work perfectly
[03:47] <snorks> nerdy2: ok :)
[03:48] <paulproteus> frans-th: Okay.  Will you have the data to put on the server once it arrives?
[03:48] <frans-th> ok ok i will go back to ubuntu-devel
[03:48] <frans-th> paul: what data? cannot understand
[03:48] <kemik> NanoBCN:  doesnt sound good :/
[03:48] <apokryphos> frans-th: though, it's probably best to wait for a reply from Canonical.
[03:48] <Malin> anybody?
[03:48] <kemik> NanoBCN:  the same happened to me, but in windows :/
[03:48] <NanoBCN> kemik, indeed, however I can record CDs
[03:48] <frans-th> the server will be setup as unbuntu repo mirror and, gforge.org system.
[03:48] <NanoBCN> kemik, with the same device
[03:48] <frans-th> paul: you know gforge??? it look like sourceforge.org
[03:49] <paulproteus> frans-th: I've heard of it.
[03:49] <conrad_> thenuke: sorry, did you read me?
[03:49] <frans-th> apokry: thx, i will wait :) may be tomorrow they will send :)
[03:49] <snorks> nerdy2: was it hard?
[03:49] <frans-th> the question from Sun is, how big they must provide the space, so the mirror is can work well.
[03:50] <Malin> i'm having problems mounting hard drive in Ubuntu Live, is it possible at all?
[03:50] <frans-th> i said 100GB :) is it enought friend?
[03:50] <snorks> nerdy2: another thing, does debian use different repositories?
[03:50] <nerdy2> snorks: no it wasn't
[03:50] <pvanhoof> frans-th, ask for more disk
[03:50] <snorks> nerdy2: and more?
[03:50] <nerdy2> snorks: and yes it does
[03:50] <frans-th> more disk?
[03:50] <pvanhoof> frans-th, ask for +- 500 gb
[03:50] <nerdy2> snorks: the no it wasn't was to "was it hard"
[03:50] <frans-th> how big? 500GB :)
[03:50] <frans-th> wow, big :P
[03:50] <IcemanV9> #ubuntu-laptop
[03:50] <pvanhoof> yes
[03:50] <paulproteus> frans-th: I don't know how big gforge is.  I'd guess Ubuntu is about 20 gigs per release, but it may be as little as 10.
[03:50] <nerdy2> snorks: ubuntu has their own repositories yes
[03:50] <apokryphos> frans-th: yes, at least.
[03:51] <IcemanV9> oops :)
[03:51] <snorks> nerdy2: I figured :) ubuntu has less packages in their repos than debian aswell?
[03:51] <frans-th> gforge only 34MB in size, , i think 40GB is enough. :)
[03:51] <conrad_> hi, can someone help me with sound issue?
[03:51] <frans-th> but the ubuntu
[03:51] <snorks> nerdy2: gotta run - dinner. ncie talking to you
[03:51] <nerdy2> snorks: although they are debian based,   they differ     (e.g. ubuntu had an x.org X server a lot earlier than debian sid did)
[03:51] <nerdy2> snorks: not less if you enable all of them
[03:51] <frans-th> paul: 20 gigs per release??? so i have to manage 6 release, is it possible to manage the lastest version only, to save spaces
[03:52] <frans-th> like, if breezy release, can i delete the warty repo?
[03:52] <paulproteus> frans-th: Let me see exactly how big it is rather than guessing,
[03:52] <frans-th> ok ok :) i waiting,
[03:52] <zzzzsolt> hey again
[03:52] <frans-th> all: my email is frans@intercitra.com ...
[03:52] <frans-th> you can send this to everyone that can help..
[03:52] <frans-th> but of course not to a spammer :P
[03:52] <apokryphos> =)
[03:53] <apokryphos> frans-th: it's being mentioned now in #ubuntu-devel
[03:53] <carajean> hey guys on nvidia  is this what its suppose to be?   BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[03:54] <zzzzsolt> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[03:54] <zzzzsolt> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
[03:54] <frans-th> honestlu, i like this chat room, you are helpfull dude.
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[03:54] <frans-th> after my organization finsih setup the mirror, bye bye fedora :P
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[03:54] <IcemanV9> zzzzsolt: don't PASTE in here!!!
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[03:55] <zzzzsolt> do you have a solution for ati hell? i installed the latest ati driver from ati.com, did fglrxconfig and get this error
[03:55] <zzzzsolt> oops, damn
[03:55] <apokryphos> frans-th: it would be really great to get some decent promotion there :)
[03:55] <zzzzsolt> yea sorry
[03:55] <zzzzsolt> that was meant for some other place
[03:55] <yahalom> how do i unzip a zip file?
[03:55] <whyameye> anybody know anything about webmin
[03:55] <flogiston> Hi, What program do you guys rekomend fr programming java? I'd like it to be like jcreator
[03:55] <whyameye> ?
[03:55] <zzzzsolt> and it shouldn't have been html either
[03:55] <Originoo> yahalom: man unzip ;)
[03:55] <frans-th> apokryp: my company here, use linux as desktop development, but the java developer still using fedora, this is because warty cannot run java well :) but hoary.. i use it here..
[03:55] <chrismy> could anyone nice enough to help me??
[03:56] <zzzzsolt> anyway, did anybody run into this xorg error after installing the ati driver: incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[03:56] <d2dchat> what are .dmg files and how do i access them?
[03:56] <yahalom> Originoo: thanx man :)
[03:57] <wigi> hello ubuntu users
[03:57] <IcemanV9> chrismy: only if you state the problem :)
[03:57] <pamungkas> can't i use rhythmbox to play mp3s instead??
[03:57] <Originoo> yahalom: "unzip --help" should help too ;)
[03:59] <frans-th> anyone have try the ubuntu DVD? what is the difference between dVD and CD?
[03:59] <frans-th> i never use it
[03:59] <apokryphos> frans-th: the Ubuntu DVD has some extra packages, and is the Install + Live CD
[04:00] <frans-th> apokryp: so 1 DVD is instalelr and life cd right,
[04:01] <frans-th> i think wasting space :)
[04:01] <topyli> chrismy: sorry, took a nap
[04:01] <apokryphos> frans-th: it is, yes.
[04:02] <apokryphos> frans-th: wasting space... dunno, perhaps. I've never really used it.
[04:02] <frans-th> ok, i prefer the CD :)
[04:02] <frans-th> hehe :)
[04:02] <topyli> chrismy: still have no beer, i'm going again :)
[04:02] <pamungkas> why does one need live cd?
[04:02] <topyli> pamungkas: to boot a non-working system?
[04:03] <eliphas_> livecd is nice to have a look to a distrib before installing
[04:03] <topyli> pamungkas: to demonstrate the joys of linux?
[04:03] <vitriol> does 340fps in glxgears sound reasonable for a pci-e 128mb ati card with the ati drivers installed?
[04:03] <apokryphos> frans-th: yes, me too :)
[04:03] <pamungkas> hmm i'd prefer install it directly tho
[04:03] <frans-th> ok, apokryp: forget the DVD :) hehe
[04:04] <pamungkas> live cd is too slow
[04:04] <topyli> pamungkas: so do i, but some people are more careful about changing operating systems, so you have to demo :)
[04:04] <paulproteus> Bye frans-th!
[04:04] <pamungkas> ahh ok
[04:04] <carajean> ok finally got my nvidia drivers installed now i cant access my online game can some tell me how to set up my internet connection?
[04:04] <bluesceada> vitriol: probably not i'D say :S
[04:05] <frans-th> paul: will you send the mirror CD to me? or it is better wait canonical reply?
[04:05] <apokryphos> frans-th: if you're low on space, then it might be a good idea.
[04:05] <pamungkas> is there anyone from indonesia?
[04:05] <frans-th> low on space?
[04:05] <carajean> wow 78 minutes to download patch
[04:07] <apokryphos> frans-th: yes, on the server.
[04:07] <frans-th> anyone from indonesia? i see the mirror list, no indonesia mirror yet
[04:07] <topyli> pamungkas: i heard lots of people are from there :)
[04:07] <frans-th> pamungkas is indonesian name
[04:07] <pamungkas> yeh wish i could up a server there
[04:07] <carajean> this shouldnt happen there is something wrong with my connection is there anyone that can tell me how to check if i have a firewall up?
[04:07] <apokryphos> frans-th: I think the main priority would be the CD, and being an actual mirror, repository.
[04:07] <frans-th> but if someone can give me the indoensian contact, taht will be cool, no need to send again
[04:07] <pamungkas> yes i'm from indonesia
[04:07] <frans-th> pamungkas :) is indonesian name, but where r u now?
[04:07] <pamungkas> i'm in thailand
[04:07] <apokryphos> pamungkas: frans-th here is working on getting a mirror
[04:07] <frans-th> oh :) hehe..
[04:07] <pamungkas> sorry i just switched to linux, so i'm basicly a n00b:P
[04:07] <frans-th> pamungkas new in linux :P hehe, but what r u doing in thailand :P
[04:07] <topyli> pamungkas: welcome to the free world!
[04:07] <vitriol> gah
[04:07] <pamungkas> isnt there itb.ac.id server?
[04:07] <pamungkas> thanks
[04:07] <pamungkas> im working here
[04:07] <pamungkas> java developer
[04:07] <frans-th> hehe, me too :)
[04:08] <frans-th> itb.ac.id ?? what for dude..
[04:08] <pamungkas> i used m$ then switched to mac, and now linux:D
[04:08] <frans-th> hehe
[04:08] <pamungkas> i got contact there
[04:08] <pamungkas> in itb.ac.id
[04:08] <frans-th> who?
[04:09] <eliphas_> DR.
[04:09] <carajean> ok does anyone here no about internet connections and ubuntu??
[04:10] <topyli> i have an internet connection
[04:10] <pamungkas> me too=)
[04:10] <topyli> carajean: why don't you ask a question?
[04:11] <frans-th> bye all
[04:11] <frans-th> thx for the chat
[04:11] <frans-th> update will come soon
[04:12] <{GuNNeR}> could someone help me with getting my s video out to work on my laptop in ubuntu
[04:12] <topyli> massive attack does rule like they claimed
[04:12] <znh> Hello, I have a problem with my nvidia drivers on -k7.. more details can be found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59248
[04:12] <siucdude> hello everyone i got mess on my pc and i need help
[04:13] <siucdude> i use breezy and after update on my pc yesturday i my xorg id not start
[04:14] <znh> siucdude, know problem.... it's known..
[04:14] <topyli> breezy might be broken, plain and simple
[04:14] <Akbar> can you upgrade from debian unstable to ubuntu or is it better to install from installer?
[04:14] <carajean> anyone know how to do port forwarding?
[04:14] <siucdude> ok well i did a lot of symlinks and other stuff
[04:14] <znh> Akbar, I think that would be the fastest way
[04:14] <topyli> Akbar: i upgraded from sid to hoary back then, but found it wiser to reinstall
[04:14] <siucdude> by mistake i deleted the /bin folder
[04:15] <siucdude> so now i am in deep hole
[04:15] <znh> yeah..
[04:15] <znh> reinstall..
[04:15] <Hikaru79> siucdude, wow....
[04:15] <topyli> siucdude: yes you are, it's gone
[04:15] <siucdude> ok i have a colony 3 cd from 2 days ago and i want to reinstall but i don't see
[04:15] <siucdude> update
[04:15] <siucdude> all i get is erase partition and reinstall
[04:16] <Stompey00> i have a quick que. I used pppconfig to set up a modem and it does dial and seems to be behaving normally but it never accomplishes a connect. i use  pon and poff says there is no connect
[04:16] <siucdude> is there anything that can be done to upgrade so i don't loose all my data on that pc
[04:16] <Stompey00> . Also, is there a way to enable call waiting as in windows *69 ?
[04:16] <kemik> siucdude:  sounds fubar
[04:16] <pamungkas> hi, anyone know error message Could not open vfs file "file:///media/IPOD%20U2/iPod_Control/Music/F03/NQKS.m4a" for reading.
[04:17] <dieman> so like
[04:17] <EasterSunshine> how would i echo two newlines? echo "\n\n" spits \n\n back out
[04:17] <dieman> is breezy usable ie: not completely broken?
[04:17] <pamungkas> anyone?:(
[04:17] <kemik> dieman:  for some it is.. for some it breaks
[04:18] <EasterSunshine> pamungkas: check the permissions on that file: `ls -l /media/IPOD%20U2/iPod_Control/Music/F03/NQKS.m4a`
[04:19] <carajean> what is a network address?
[04:19] <siucdude> so anyone can help i want to know if there is a way to upgrade without distroying the current partition on disk
[04:19] <EasterSunshine> !upgrade2breezy
[04:19] <ubotu> hmm... upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:19] <znh> dieman, don't forget the -e flga
[04:19] <adamtad> hi all
[04:19] <adamtad> good morning
[04:20] <znh> good midday
[04:20] <adamtad> thanks
[04:20] <dieman> znh: oh, i know how to do it :)
[04:20] <dieman> its more the 'is it broken today' aspect
[04:20] <adamtad> does anyone have experience installing Opera browser?
[04:20] <adamtad> i've downloaded the *.deb package
[04:20] <kemik> siucdude:  for a usual upgrade yes; but since you've effectively deleted *alot* of files, i think you'll need  a fresh re-install
[04:20] <znh> dieman, hehe okay.. just didn't knew how many expierence you had ;) - sorry!
[04:20] <EasterSunshine> !info opera
[04:21] <EasterSunshine> opera is not free? my bro told me it is commercial browser
[04:21] <dieman> znh: np :)
[04:21] <siucdude> kemik: so the cd does not have upgrade fetures
[04:21] <adamtad> and have run the sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb
[04:21] <pamungkas> no such file or directory:S but i can browse it with nautilus:S
[04:21] <adamtad> didnt work, error told me to install the package name, not the file it came in
[04:22] <EasterSunshine> where would i read up on what ubuntu has over debian?
[04:22] <adamtad> Easter, it is free browser if you can live with the advertisements
[04:22] <adamtad> to get rid, then you pay for browser & support, etc
[04:22] <EasterSunshine> adamtad: would you happen to know repo has it and/or how its performance compares to that of firefox
[04:23] <adamtad> i'm told its fastest
[04:23] <adamtad> which is  a lofty claim
[04:23] <adamtad> let me get u the URL
[04:23] <kemik> siucdude:  well upgrade and recovery are different things
[04:24] <damoe> Oh my god, I just got 10 copies of Ubuntu!
[04:24] <paulproteus> damoe: ?
[04:24] <adamtad> http://www.opera.com/download/
[04:24] <damoe> paulproteus: i ordered 10 ubuntu copies about 3 months ago
[04:24] <siucdude> kemik: correct but for example i used to use fedora and i could reinstall the cd as upgrade and did not have to erase the entire disk to reinstall it
[04:25] <adamtad> i like firefox, but its slow to open, and somewhat slow in loading pages too
[04:25] <damoe> paulproteus: http://photos23.flickr.com/36510286_5df6daf8f8_b.jpg <= look :D
[04:25] <dieman> damoe: yeah, shipit can take a while, but the cds are nice to hand out to users.
[04:25] <siucdude> kemik: i guess what i need to know if anyone knows is there a feture that will let me skip partition and just install the cd on my disk
[04:25] <paulproteus> Ooh, the Hoary discs look cool.
[04:26] <damoe> paulproteus: yeah, i'll give some to my friends
[04:26] <kemik> siucdude:  ah. that sounds do-able, but i'mnot 100%
[04:26] <kemik> siucdude:  stick around and wait fro someone who knows.. or try the forums?
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> skip partition?
[04:27] <siucdude> kemik: thanks
[04:27] <siucdude> yes trying to reinstall cd without partitioning my disk or otherwords erase the entire disk
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> installing over a pervious install.. ahh...
[04:28] <siucdude> yep
[04:28] <Shadow-Tez> Can I get some help installing NX client?
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> but in most cases i think any existing config files would/should get renamed to whatever.backup or similer.
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> of course there may be a better fix to whatever problem you are having that  makes you want to do this reinstall.
[04:29] <siucdude> Dr_Willis: yes but you see i did a update and my xorg got broken so i started palyaing and i del the entire bin folder
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> lol :P
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> Been there done that...
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> i bet ya wont do it next time will ya.
[04:30] <kemik> hrmpfh
[04:30] <siucdude> no but this makes it fun
[04:30] <kemik> someone apt with the "route" command?
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> actually i think thers  some apt options that can check for missing files or somthing.
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> and reinstall the packages.
[04:31] <siucdude> yes but i can't boot into command
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> assuminb ya dident remove the apt programs.
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:31] <matsur> anyone have google earth running w/ wine?
[04:31] <siucdude> the entire /bin folder
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> siucdude,  heh - could boot a live cd and chroot over..  but youve really painted yourself into the corner.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> ive never really tried to do what you are wanting to do. if you could some how tell the installer to not format, and use existing partitions - i guess it could work.
[04:33] <siucdude> see i used to jump from distro to distro and i did notice that some distros you can do that
[04:33] <javi> the installer asks you if you wants to format
[04:33] <javi> (only if you dont change your partition scheme)
[04:33] <siucdude> javi: i am not changing the partition scheme i use the entire disk but there is not option to skip that
[04:34] <DJ555> Hey
[04:34] <javi> yes it is
[04:34] <siucdude> javi: only options are to erase entire disk
[04:34] <javi> when it asks where to mount the partition, etc
[04:34] <siucdude> javi: how?
[04:34] <DJ555> Do you speak english only?
[04:34] <DJ555> Because my english isnt the best
[04:34] <selinium> Hi all, anyway of starting xmms without it opening a tag on the window browser?
[04:35] <javi> you have to go through manual partitioning
[04:35] <selinium> DJ555: what is your native language
[04:35] <whyameye> vpn? pptp? webmin? anybody know anything?
[04:35] <DJ555> german
[04:35] <siucdude> javi: ok i am on my laptop now let me try this and see what happens on my pc
[04:35] <DJ555> But i can try it in english
[04:35] <jaramillo> cool siucdude
[04:36] <DJ555> But i am not good in IRC too ^^ So i am sorry if i make a mistake
[04:36] <Sly> any simple ways of tv-out with nvidia ?
[04:36] <siucdude> javi: at boot should i go "boot: expert" or regural
[04:36] <kemik> siucdude:  regular
[04:36] <DJ555> Here is my problem: Ubuntu can't find my DVD-ROM. I got it as the Slave. The Master is the HDD
[04:37] <kemik> siucdude:  it's when they ask for partitioning that you choose "edit partition table manually"
[04:37] <DJ555> I got a Intel i915P Chipset
[04:37] <NanoBCN> still having problems with DVD burning...
[04:37] <EasterSunshine> before i sign up for shipit, i want to know if we can place an order for pressed breezy so that it will arive not too long after release, is that available yet?
[04:37] <selinium> DJ555: there is a german speaking ubuntu channel. /j #ubuntu-dk    I think? If you have trouble here!
[04:37] <kemik> dk  = denmark ;)
[04:38] <kemik> try #ubuntu-de
[04:38] <kemik> or somesuch
[04:38] <DJ555> OK
[04:38] <DJ555> Thanks
[04:38] <selinium> kemik: Yep, DOH
[04:38] <kemik> :P
[04:38] <DJ555> #ubuntu-de
[04:38] <DJ555> Oh
[04:38] <kemik> crap.. cant get my lan to function properly
[04:39] <kemik> DJ555:  /join #ubuntu-de
[04:39] <DJ555> Jo
[04:39] <pamungkas> whats an alternative web browser for ubuntu? mozilla is just wayy too slow for my machine:S
[04:39] <siucdude> ok i am at manual partiton but i don't see anything all options lead to erase disk
[04:39] <DJ555> I found it ^^
[04:39] <DJ555> BigTHX
[04:39] <selinium> DJ555: no problem
[04:39] <kemik> pamungkas:  links
[04:40] <kemik> :>
[04:40] <pamungkas> its fast?
[04:40] <kemik> it should be
[04:40] <pamungkas> ok ill give a try
[04:40] <kemik> but i dont think you'll find it useful
[04:40] <selinium> kemik: do you mean lynx?
[04:40] <pamungkas> why?
[04:40] <kemik> selinium:  maybe i do ;)
[04:40] <selinium> kemik: one all!
[04:41] <jgjones> Alternative browser to Firefox - Opera - ok it's adware but it's very fast, it does so much more than Firefox can do and is among one of the better browser you can get.
[04:41] <jaramillo> siucdude,
[04:41] <jaramillo> here
[04:41] <jaramillo> im javi
[04:41] <selinium> pamungkas: it is a text only browser
[04:41] <siucdude> ok cool
[04:41] <pamungkas> ah ok
[04:41] <pamungkas> ill try opera then
[04:41] <kemik> selinium:  yeah ;)
[04:41] <jaramillo> siucdude, regular
[04:41] <pamungkas> ok gtg guys
[04:41] <jamessarawak> hi..
[04:41] <siucdude> i got in manual but don't see anything to skip it
[04:41] <pamungkas> thanks for all the help
[04:41] <jamessarawak> I can't get ubuntu to run :(
[04:41] <kemik> pamungkas:  opera could be a better choice yes
[04:41] <jamessarawak> something happen to the startx
[04:41] <jgjones> pamungkas - you have to get ...oh too late :)
[04:42] <jaramillo> there's a line, that says: going to be formated. or leave it as it is
[04:42] <jaramillo> or something like that
[04:42] <siucdude> jaramillo: options it gives me are conf raid conf lvm guided partion or help on partion
[04:42] <selinium> jamessarawak: what is happening, or not as the case may be! :)
[04:42] <jaramillo> below those
[04:42] <jamessarawak> it said the startx fail to start
[04:42] <jgjones> jamessarawak - running hoary or breezy?
[04:42] <jamessarawak> I've to remove the partition... and reinstall windows
[04:42] <jamessarawak> roary
[04:42] <jamessarawak> hoary
[04:43] <jaramillo> manual partitioning
[04:43] <siucdude> undo changes to partitions finish partioning and write changes to disk
[04:43] <jamessarawak> yeah... its the startx.. the GUI wouldn't start
[04:43] <jamessarawak> giving me a doslike thing
[04:43] <siucdude> yes its manual partitioning
[04:44] <jaramillo> between those
[04:44] <jaramillo> where you put where it is going to be mounted
[04:44] <jaramillo> if it is bootable
[04:44] <jaramillo> etc
[04:44] <jgjones> I normally use the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" rather than startx myself
[04:44] <DJ555> Yo! I got now another problem. These germans don't know what to do.
[04:44] <siucdude> all i got is ide1 the disk
[04:45] <kemik> how do i setup so my machines on the 192.168.1.x network can talk to the machines on 192.168.2.y ... as it is now, only the "routerbox" (192.168.1.1) can talk to 192.168.2.y
[04:45] <selinium> jamessarawak: try sudo dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg  and follow the walk through. try it with framebuffer, then if it doesn't work without it.
[04:45] <selinium> jamessarawak: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  and follow the walk through. try it with framebuffer, then if it doesn't work without it.
[04:45] <Jowi> kemik what do you mean by talking?
[04:45] <jamessarawak> maybe I'm using the older version??
[04:45] <jamessarawak> I'm using 4.1
[04:45] <kemik> Jowi:  ping/ssh etc etc ;)
[04:45] <conrad_> Hello, i came by earlier hoping for some assistance on sound issue, could anyone advise me on that now?
[04:46] <jamessarawak> by the way is it easy to set up DSL connection using UBUNTU?
[04:46] <kemik> Jowi:  both the 192.168.2.x and 192.168.1.y networks can use the internet through the routerbox, but they just cannot access eachother
[04:46] <jgjones> if you have dhcp...yep
[04:46] <selinium> conrad_ Ask the question, maybe, maybe not....
[04:46] <jamessarawak> dhcp is chaging the modem setting inside the memory?
[04:46] <conrad_> i don't know what the question is exactly
[04:46] <kemik> jamessarawak:  dhcp lets you lease internet-adresses dynamically
[04:47] <jaramillo> well, smoething must be different
[04:47] <kemik> it assigns IP address "automagically" ;)
[04:47] <redguy> conrad_: you can't expect that someone in here asks it fo r you
[04:47] <jamessarawak> okay... meaning window connection uses DHCP too?
[04:47] <conrad_> the trouble i have is it appears is i have sound driver share issues
[04:47] <conrad_> it stops the kde sound system (arts ) from starting
[04:47] <kemik> jamessarawak:  yes, dhcp is used in windows too..
[04:48] <conrad_> basically i don't have sound with kde apps
[04:48] <jamessarawak> like making new connection?
[04:48] <kemik> you lost me
[04:48] <conrad_> even gnome sound is compromised
[04:48] <siucdude> jaramillo: every option gives me erase entire partition and install new one
[04:48] <conrad_> i use ubuntu/ Gnome
[04:48] <jamessarawak> I see.. so UBUNTU could let me connect to the internet by changing the setting in UBUNTU and not changing the memory of the modem?
[04:48] <ekimus> out of interest is it "f * ck" or "F A Q" when native english speakers pronounce F.A.Q.?
[04:48] <znh> what kernel versions can I use with an Amd Athlon XP? (except k7)
[04:49] <conrad_> when i switched into kde, sound used to work, but even that doesn't anymore since i tdid artsd -s ese
[04:49] <kemik> jamessarawak:  if i understand you correctly then "yes" you dont need to change a memeory in the modem
[04:49] <jaramillo> it's under every partition where you can choose the FS to use
[04:49] <jamessarawak> cool :) thanks kemik
[04:49] <jamessarawak> I'll download the latest version and try again.. then
[04:49] <Jowi> kemik: let me get this straight. you have connected two networks to the same router.  the router gives IP to network 1 automaticly through dhcp and the other one is static that uses the router as a gateway?
[04:49] <jaramillo> it's there where you can choose 'leave it as it is', or 'format the partition'
[04:49] <Yak-chum> ekimus it depends on how frustrated I am when i am reading it
[04:49] <conrad_> sorry if my question isn't straightforward, but i hope i'm giving the right picture
[04:49] <redguy> znh: from i386 up to 686 I think
[04:49] <znh> redguy, hmm.. does 686 support >900MB ram?
[04:50] <conrad_> hello?
[04:50] <Yak-chum> 486
[04:50] <selinium> conrad_  have you looked at what artsd -s ese does?    type artsd --help to find out what may of happened
[04:50] <ekimus> Yak-chum: *g*
[04:50] <kemik> Jowi:  yeah that's about it ;) (the ...162.2.x is dhcp and 1 is static... ) and the router is actually a debian-serverinstall
[04:50] <siucdude> no i guess ubuntu does not have that option on install
[04:50] <wuwu> hi all, is there currently a problem with the backports servers ? - i can't install sun-j2re-1.5
[04:50] <siucdude> every cd install is clean install
[04:51] <znh> wuwu, backports is a error at hisself :p
[04:51] <redguy> znh: it should I think, there should't be any trouble with ram up to 4GiB with linux I think
[04:51] <conrad_> selinium: i had sound issue besides that
[04:51] <znh> redguy, 386 only supports 900
[04:51] <kemik> oh my.. icewm is really fast.. just booted my p2-233 64mb ram.. and starting X/icewm took ~ 30secs!
[04:52] <selinium> conrad_ Ok, i am not a KDE user. I am going to see what you did by keying artsd -s ese
[04:52] <conrad_> artsd -s   auto-suspend time in seconds
[04:52] <redguy> znh: meaning that I'm not sure. The mainboard might have some limitations.
[04:52] <conrad_> seinium: im Gnome user
[04:52] <redguy> znh: what do you mean by that: the i386 flavour of the kernel?
[04:52] <znh> redguy, lol it's not my mortherboard :P
[04:52] <conrad_> i did have kde as option in session tab, and when i did go into kde my sound seemed fine in comparison with Gnome
[04:53] <jaramillo> well, must be
[04:53] <jaramillo> ;-)
[04:53] <conrad_> but i want to sort out the sound issue in gnome as that is my preferred default gui
[04:53] <kemik> Jowi:  and ideas about my network nightmare? ;)
[04:53] <Jowi> kemik: i am thinking
[04:53] <conrad_> thenuke: i thought you wanted to help me with this earlier, but yoiu seemed to vanish on me?
[04:54] <selinium> conrad_ I am a gnome user and i do not have the arts daemon installed. KDE must have installed it when you install your KDE app
[04:54] <conrad_> selinium: do you not have kde apps? like K3B?
[04:54] <siucdude> jaramillo: do you know if there is way to put in a parameter to skipp partition configuration
[04:54] <thenuke> conrad_: I havent said anything like that :)
[04:55] <jaramillo> hm, no
[04:55] <selinium> conrad_ Sometimes peoples bosses walk in, No i dont have k3b
[04:55] <jaramillo> you must tell the installer where to install stuff ;-)
[04:55] <conrad_> thenuke: then i got the misimpression, because i understood that you were responding to my request for help
[04:55] <thenuke> conrad_: you asked if you can ask a question in here
[04:55] <jaramillo> in which partition
[04:55] <jaramillo> etc
[04:55] <siucdude> ok
[04:56] <siucdude> ok question 2
[04:56] <jaramillo> if you dont specify it, then it will do an auto-partitioning
[04:56] <Jowi> kemik: i would guess that you need to set up a static route. i *think* the command goes something like : route add -host 192.168.2.x gw 192.168.1.x
[04:56] <Jowi> kemik: hang on, i saw a good url somewhere
[04:56] <redguy> znh: How do you know that i386 kernel supports only 900 MiB of ram? I'd like to educate myself :-)
[04:56] <siucdude> i got option to use the largest continous free space
[04:56] <conrad_> selinium:  however, by all accounts i should be able to run kde apps like k3b
[04:56] <thenuke> conrad_: but as others too read your about your problem, I guess someone would have helped if they knew how to
[04:56] <kemik> Jowi:  mmh, i tried setting up a route but the way i did it didnt work.. i'll hold ;)
[04:56] <jaramillo> im about to reboot, just to write down the steps so you can choose what im telling you ;-)
[04:56] <znh> redguy, it's a limitation.. of the kernel :-)
[04:57] <siucdude> ok thanx
[04:57] <conrad_> thenuke: if you couldn't help fair enough. I know it is a tough issue, and no one in the forums has wanted to tackle it either.
[04:57] <conrad_> as i say it was a misperception on my part that you wanted to help, i'm sorry
[04:57] <Sionide> anyone here use XFCE or another lightweight desktop environment with ubuntu?
[04:57] <znh> Sionide, yea I did
[04:57] <selinium> conrad_ true, but when you install a KDE app, it will also install it's dependant apps like artsd, this may have overrulled what you already had running.
[04:57] <Sionide> znh, which one?
[04:58] <znh> Sionide, hm.. lets say all :P
[04:58] <jaramillo> just 1 min, im helping some other ppl too ;)
[04:58] <Jowi> kemik: did you try the "net" option as well? route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.10
[04:58] <Sionide> how easy are they to install / use / switch between ?
[04:58] <znh> Sionide, very easy
[04:58] <conrad_> selinium: yes, normally it would have dealt with dependency issues and compatibility and integrity of the system as a whole
[04:58] <Sionide> i mean, they're as easy as synaptic or apt-get to install, right?
[04:58] <Jowi> kemik: ah, here it is: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm explains static routing as well
[04:58] <siucdude> hey i got time today i appriciate this
[04:58] <znh> Sionide, depends on the window manager, bust mostly it's easy
[04:59] <conrad_> selinium: where do i go from here now that i have this problem, to resolve the issue
[04:59] <Sionide> znh which would recommend?
[04:59] <Sionide> you*
[04:59] <selinium> conrad_ I did see some sound help somewhere earlier today. I will see if I can find it again. I realise this must be frustrating.
[04:59] <znh> Sionide, hmm.. what are musts for you?
[04:59] <conrad_> thank you
[04:59] <kemik> Jowi:  ty, will look into that later =)
[04:59] <znh> Sionide, or better said requirements
[04:59] <hussam> where on the hard disk does firestarter store the event logs?
[04:59] <Jowi> kemik: np
[04:59] <kemik> !tell conrad_ about sound
[04:59] <kemik> conrad_:  see your pm
[04:59] <redguy> znh: thats odd, since there are options in the kernel config CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G and CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G which allow to use more than 4 GiB and 64 GiB of ram respectively through some addressing magic
[05:00] <znh> redguy, yep but there's still a limitation
[05:00] <conrad_> kemik: huh?
[05:00] <kemik> conrad_:  from ubotu
[05:00] <conrad_> ubotu?
[05:00] <selinium> kemik: does !tell call ubotu?
[05:00] <kemik> !sound
[05:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:01] <MrBrdo> hey.. my DVD drive just stopped working, and now when i login to gnome, i get unable to intialize HAL, and the panels and desktop don't load correcty.. (panels are blank)
[05:01] <kemik> selinium:  yes, try "!tell selinium about ntfs" to try it
[05:01] <MrBrdo> is there some way to tell HAL to not look for a DVD drive
[05:01] <selinium> !tell selinium about ntfs
[05:01] <MrBrdo> i'm on a notebook and the bois still says the drive is there but it's not working.. (it's dead)
[05:01] <znh> Sionide, you still there?
[05:01] <conrad_> kemik: thx ill follow the link
[05:01] <kemik> ah well.. tv&food time etc
[05:01] <selinium> kemik: Cool i can stop telling users to /msg ubotu then!
[05:01] <redguy> znh: you can't expect me to believe that unless you provide me with some link, where I could read about it.
[05:02] <conrad_> seinium: just to let youknow that someone had found this useful: going into gedit startartsd
[05:02] <MrBrdo> so how to make HAL not look for a DVD drive? or not set it up or something?
[05:02] <znh> redguy, well.. I heard of everyone, and it's a fact - It only detects 900MB
[05:02] <conrad_> putting some command in the file and saving it
[05:02] <jaramillo> k
[05:02] <jaramillo> brb
[05:02] <MrBrdo> !tell HAL
[05:02] <conrad_> then system/preferences/sessions
[05:02] <bob2_sucks> Hola!
[05:03] <MrBrdo> !tell call HAL
[05:03] <conrad_> then startup programs
[05:03] <conrad_> but it didn't do it for me
[05:03] <bob2_sucks> Anyone here use Ubuntu?
[05:03] <MrBrdo> no, most ppl on Windows here..
[05:03] <znh> bob2_sucks, naah..
[05:03] <znh> what a question..
[05:03] <din> no, they all use windows here
[05:03] <Jowi> ubuwhatnow?
[05:04] <bob2_sucks> Are you guys being ironic?
[05:04] <MrBrdo> so.. anyone knows about this HAL service? how to make it not look for a DVD drive?
[05:04] <bob2_sucks> I can't tell in a written medium.
[05:04] <eventualbuddha> is there a standard location for SSL pem files?
[05:05] <bob2_sucks> MrBrdo: I only know a bit about the 8000 series.  The 9000 series isn't on the market yet.
[05:05] <selinium> eventualbuddha: You keep asking that question....
[05:05] <MrBrdo> 8000 series? of what?
[05:05] <paulproteus> bob2_sucks: regarding nick: lol!
[05:05] <MrCroup> HAL 9000 == 2001 joke
[05:05] <Sionide> znh, sorry - back. err well ive got an old machine im making into a media centre- it just needs to play music :D
[05:05] <Jowi> bob2_sucks: i have a similar problem but it is very different. I have no depth perseption. I can not tell if my fishes are in the aquarium or molten into the aquarium glass :-(
[05:06] <ejumpz_> where can i get zones.conf file for shorewall?? because in my /etc/shorewall/ don't have this file..
[05:06] <selinium> eventualbuddha: Weren't you talking to thoreauputic about that?
[05:06] <bob2_sucks> Jowi: I'd opt for the latter.
[05:06] <MrBrdo> bob2_sucks, i'm not sure which version i have.. it's ubuntu 5.4.. anyway, when i login to gnome it says unable to intialize HAL.. My DVD drive just stopped working so that's probably the reason, is there a way to make HAL ignore it?
[05:06] <eventualbuddha> selinium: i've talked to thoreauputic about something before, though not pem files or anything to do with SSL
[05:07] <selinium> eventualbuddha: Sorry, i must be mistaken.
[05:07] <bob2_sucks> MrBrdo: HAL doesn't ignore much.  He listens to everything, and interprets it very literally...
[05:07] <selinium> eventualbuddha: Anyway I dont know! :)
[05:07] <eventualbuddha> selinium: this is a new issue for me :D
[05:07] <MrBrdo> even if i remove the drive it still errors out, probably because i'm on a notebook and the bios still reports the drive
[05:07] <MrBrdo> bob2_sucks so any way to make the error go away?
[05:08] <bob2_sucks> You could try going into the memory room, and removing all those crystal-looking things.
[05:08] <bob2_sucks> That should shut him down, hopefully in time to save your crew.
[05:09] <MrBrdo> P
[05:09] <MrBrdo> ?
[05:09] <MrCroup> MrBardo: check /var/log/messages for information on why the hardware abstraction layer is having a trauma
[05:09] <javi> :-)
[05:09] <MrBrdo> MrCroup i'm sure it's because of the DVD drive
[05:09] <jaramillo> siucdude,
[05:10] <siucdude> yes
[05:10] <jaramillo> alright
[05:10] <din> MrBrdo: uninstall the dvd drive?
[05:10] <jaramillo> look
[05:10] <kameron> is there anyway to write the grub bootloader to the MBR, from within windows? i need to reinstall it.
[05:10] <kameron> or, from within a live disc for that matter. i have ubuntu live here, and knoppix.
[05:10] <MrBrdo> din in what way? even if i remove it from the notebook bios still detetcs it and hal still has a problem with it
[05:10] <siucdude> ok you got it
[05:10] <din> kameron: not that i know of, a live cd yes
[05:10] <kameron> din: do you know how to from a live disc, or just know that it is possible?
[05:11] <MrBrdo> kandinski: but the ubuntu livecd doesn't seem to have grub on it
[05:11] <din> ummm
[05:11] <MrBrdo> kameron even
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> from about any grub menu command line you can reinstall it.
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> if you knoe what you are doing. :P
[05:11] <MrBrdo> din even
[05:11] <Brazmetal> Hey people... Where can I get the original ubuntu's xorg.conf file?
[05:11] <MrBrdo> damn :)
[05:11] <MrBrdo> Brazmetal there is none
[05:11] <din> MrBrdo: if it did not have grub on it, you could not install ubuntu from it
[05:11] <din> heh
[05:11] <din> you must have a kernel to boot to
[05:12] <MrBrdo> Brazmetal i think.. cause xorg.conf has to be configured per hardware
[05:12] <kameron> din: and.. you can't install ubuntu from the live cd.
[05:12] <jaramillo> Partition Disks -> Manually edit partition table -> (In the HD where you want to specify which partitions not to format, select that one, *enter over that one*, i.e: #3). -> Partition Settings -> Use as: *Select the file system*. Format the partition: No, keep existing data.
[05:12] <MrBrdo> kandinski: ? the livecd.. it's puropuse isn't to install..?
[05:12] <Brazmetal> MrBrdo, really?... I thought it wasn't
[05:12] <jaramillo> siucdude, there.
[05:12] <jaramillo> :-)
[05:12] <din> kameron: well if it has grub on it you can reinstall it
[05:12] <din> just run grub
[05:12] <Brazmetal> MrBrdo, can You send me yours?
[05:12] <MrBrdo> Brazmetal sure.. run xorgconfig or something
[05:12] <siucdude> ok let me see
[05:13] <djtansey> i hope someone here can help me with openoffice. i am trying to make a form which includes a last name, first name, etc field. i used a table with lots of columns to make a field for input (like where you have one letter per box.) i want to superimpose the name of each field in small print (white on black) ontop of the table. is there a way to have floating text in openoffice, so i can float it over the input boxes? any other s
[05:13] <djtansey> uggestions?
[05:13] <MrBrdo> Brazmetal mine is not default anymore.. it's configured for ATI drivers (fglx)
[05:13] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:13] <Brazmetal> MrBrdo, ah ok
[05:13] <kameron> to save the hassle of a learning experience, i think i might just do another fresh install..
[05:13] <MrBrdo> Brazmetal there are some tools to make a conf file for you.. i think one is xorgconfig.. other ppl here should know exactly which ones.. i forgot :)
[05:13] <siucdude> ok that seems to easy
[05:13] <Jowi> Brazmetal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - i think if you have totally screwed it up.
[05:13] <kameron> if i don't put the bootloader on the MBR, what other places can i put it, other than a floopy/other media/usb drive.
[05:13] <Grat> yo MrBrdo :>
[05:13] <jaramillo> ;-)
[05:14] <jaramillo> it is
[05:14] <MrBrdo> Grat?
[05:14] <Grat> :>
[05:14] <siucdude> now lets see after i process this  ;)
[05:14] <jaramillo> :D
[05:14] <paulproteus> djtansey: See #openoffice.org
[05:14] <kameron> eh, i'll just give'er again. talk to you guys later.
[05:15] <djtansey> paulproteus: thanks!
[05:16] <Whistler> hmm sorry for stupid question, but can anybody help me forward bittorent ports?
[05:17] <Fanskapet> Whistler ask the question then
[05:17] <Fanskapet> else noone will be able to help you
[05:17] <wickedpuppy> forward ?
[05:17] <Jowi> Whistler: you need to be more precise
[05:17] <uthini> !nvidia
[05:17] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[05:17] <phil197> hello
[05:18] <phil197> i need some help please
[05:18] <Jowi> hi phil197
[05:18] <Whistler> what do i need to type to Local Address From:  	  Local Address To: fields
[05:18] <Fanskapet> wickedpuppy forwarding in what system? a hardware router? natd? or problem with routing
[05:18] <Whistler> ?
[05:18] <Fanskapet> your local ip
[05:18] <Fanskapet> in your LAN
[05:18] <Whistler> my pc?
[05:18] <phil197> i installed ubuntu on my pc
[05:18] <Fanskapet> yes
[05:18] <phil197> but i have no sound
[05:18] <wickedpuppy> Fanskapet, i was replying to Whistler
[05:19] <siucdude> well i had to restart the install
[05:19] <jaramillo> why?
[05:19] <Jowi> phil197: run alsamixer in a terminal and see if your sound isn't muted first of all.
[05:19] <Fanskapet> wickedpuppy ahh yeah sorry i meant to send to Whistler :)
[05:19] <Vixus> Hey, could someone help me get my mic working with ubuntu?
[05:19] <siucdude> it said something out root not setup so i restarted and will start the install from start
[05:19] <phil197> alsamixer?
[05:19] <jaramillo> Esc would have taken you to the Menus of menus ;)
[05:20] <Jowi> phil197: yes
[05:20] <jaramillo> k
[05:20] <jaramillo> :)
[05:20] <uthini> i still can't install the nvidia driver
[05:20] <uthini> even if i stop gdm
[05:20] <phil197> i type it in a root terminal?
[05:20] <chrissturm> whats the find syntax i must use to remove all directories named CVS in a tree?
[05:20] <Jowi> phil197: root is not needed
[05:20] <siucdude> i did esc but it did the same i just figured start fresh
[05:20] <Vixus> phil197: so I just run alsamixer?
[05:20] <hmrocha> hello
[05:20] <Vixus> phil197: I want to record with Audacity.
[05:20] <hmrocha> how can i change a string inside a file from the command line?
[05:21] <jaramillo> uthini, why ?
[05:21] <Jowi> Vixus: phil197 have no sound and need help. he's not trying to help you. :-)
[05:21] <jaramillo> siucdude, k, n/p :)
[05:21] <smudo> hi all
[05:21] <Vixus> Jowi: Whoops.
[05:21] <I_hate_Ops> Hola!
[05:21] <smudo> Having some difficulty with logging in.
[05:21] <Vixus> phil197: Sorry.
[05:21] <smudo> I'm running kdm as the login manager, and when I try to log in, it just goes back to the login window.
[05:21] <Vixus> So can anyone help me get the mic going? :D
[05:22] <Jowi> Vixus: but you can actually try the same. run alsa mixer and see if you can unmute the mic and pull up the volume to max
[05:22] <Whistler> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1553 is everything ok?
[05:22] <siucdude> i think so let see what it does
[05:22] <MrBrdo> phil197 there's a mixer in programs-sound-mixer
[05:22] <MrBrdo> if you have hoary
[05:22] <chrismy> oders
[05:23] <Vixus> Jowi: Done.
[05:23] <siucdude> hey again "no root file system is defined"
[05:23] <phil197> nvm
[05:23] <phil197> precisely
[05:23] <phil197> i don't know if i have a mixer, and if not, how to creater one
[05:23] <Jowi> Vixus: success?
[05:23] <Vixus> Jowi: Yes... mic works, but Audacity doesn't get any input
[05:23] <Jowi> phil197: open a terminal. type: "alsamixer"
[05:23] <Vixus> Jowi: My voice just amplified through speakers.
[05:24] <jaramillo> you need to specify where 'root' / is going to be mounted
[05:24] <Jowi> Vixus: try "killall esd" in a terminal
[05:24] <jaramillo> i.e: /dev/hda1
[05:24] <smudo> !upgrade2breezy
[05:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:24] <jaramillo> so the installer knows, where to install the hole / tree
[05:24] <uthini> jaramillo, when i run the nivida installer app it says that no build exists for my setup :(
[05:24] <jaramillo> :)
[05:24] <phil197> yes i typed it
[05:24] <Vixus> Jowi: What will that do?
[05:24] <jaramillo> uthini, install it through apt
[05:24] <phil197> this sets the volume?
[05:25] <Whistler> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1553 is everything ok?
[05:25] <jaramillo> # apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:25] <Absenth> how well does breezy work at this point?
[05:25] <Vixus> Jowi: Done.
[05:25] <phil197> how can i know if i have a mixer?
[05:25] <jaramillo> you'll need the universe repository
[05:25] <dabaR> Absenth: its usage is still for testing purposes.
[05:25] <uthini> jaramillo, will that install 7676?
[05:25] <deFrysk> phil197, open alsmixer
[05:25] <Jowi> phil197: this is one of the tools available, yes. up/down arrow change the volume "M" button mutes/unmutes
[05:25] <uthini> or what ever that latest version is?
[05:25] <Jowi> phil197: unmute Master and PCM
[05:26] <hussam> anybody knows where on the hard disk does firestarter store the event logs?
[05:26] <dabaR> Absenth: If you can spare a partition, nothing is to stop you from testing it out, and it would be appreciated. /topic to see where and how to install.
[05:26] <jaramillo> dont know
[05:26] <jaramillo> it will install the latest packaged driver
[05:26] <Absenth> dabaR: I'll do that tonight when I get home.  Thanks.
[05:26] <dabaR> Absenth: Im about to remove a sarge install, to install the breezy, it has a boot splash screen.
[05:26] <P8ntKid> Does anybody know the command to take a screenshot?
[05:26] <Kyral> Print Scrn
[05:26] <Jowi> Vixus: did that work or not? if not, do you have two soundcards on your pc?
[05:26] <dabaR> You need to enable it, tho, its not default yet.
[05:26] <Kyral> the key :P
[05:26] <phil197> how can i create a mixer?
[05:26] <Absenth> dabaR: are there torrents for breezy yet?
[05:26] <deFrysk> P8ntKid, print screen button
[05:27] <Vixus> Jowi: Nah, just one... Audacity still doesnt get input.
[05:27] <dabaR> sure are, /topic
[05:27] <Kyral> dabaR, don't install Breezy!!
[05:27] <Jowi> phil197: it is automatic when the driver for your soundcard is loaded.
[05:27] <dabaR> Or I think there are, I cant remember now...
[05:27] <Jowi> !sound
[05:27] <ubotu> hmm... sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:27] <P8ntKid> deFrysk, does it work with linux? I havent ever got it to work.
[05:27] <dabaR> Kyral: :P:)
[05:27] <Jowi> phil197: check that sound-link
[05:27] <uthini> kay will try
[05:27] <Kyral> P8ntKid, are you in GNOME?
[05:27] <phil197> i don't have an object named mixer in /dev
[05:27] <jaramillo> siucdude, what's happened ?
[05:27] <P8ntKid> No, why?
[05:27] <dabaR> Kyral: I kinda know what Im doing...I am gonna remove a sarge install off my second HD, and install a breezy there...
[05:27] <deFrysk> P8ntKid, it should in gnome that is
[05:27] <phil197> i don't know if it is necessary
[05:27] <P8ntKid> oh
[05:28] <P8ntKid> Im on fluxbox
[05:28] <Kyral> P8ntKid, only works in GNOME IIRC
[05:28] <dabaR> this  hoary wont be touched,.. kyral.
[05:28] <Vixus> Jowi: Any ideas?
[05:28] <deFrysk> hmz in kde they have ksnapshot i believe (not sure)
[05:28] <Jowi> Vixus: is audacitys preferences /dev/dsp for recording?
[05:28] <Kyral> dabaR, good man!
[05:28] <dabaR> Kyral: ya, jus to test uit out...
[05:28] <deFrysk> P8ntKid, try ksnapshot
[05:28] <Vixus> Jowi: Yep.
[05:29] <Thunder00> are there  backport/universe/multiverse repositories for Breezy ?
[05:29] <deFrysk> P8ntKid, otherwist try #kubuntu , wich is a more kde-centric channel for ubuntu
[05:29] <siucdude> jaramillo i can't get the root to mount
[05:29] <Kyral> Thunder00, Universe Yes
[05:29] <hybrid_goth> Thunder00: universe and multiverse
[05:29] <Kyral> Backports: No
[05:29] <Jowi> Vixus: is gnome-sound-recorder working?
[05:29] <Kyral> Backports are made from Breezy :P
[05:29] <hybrid_goth> backports are for stable branch
[05:29] <jaramillo> siucdude, do you know where your / was mounted ?
[05:29] <jaramillo> i mean
[05:29] <Thunder00> I c :)
[05:29] <jaramillo> which partition
[05:30] <P8ntKid> deFrysk, Im not using KDE, im using Fluxbox...
[05:30] <jaramillo> hda1, 2, 3, etc ?
[05:30] <P8ntKid> I dont have Kde installed
[05:30] <siucdude> yes hda1
 do i have to have a thing named mixer in /dev?
[05:30] <Thunder00> is Breezy stable enough ? does it have alot of bugs ?
[05:30] <phil197>  do i have to have a thing named mixer in /dev?
[05:30] <hybrid_goth> Thunder00: define stable
[05:31] <Vixus> Jowi: No, when I try to playback it says: Could not open resource for writing.
 has few bugs :>
[05:31] <dabaR> Thunder00: its usage is still for testing purposes. If you can spare a partition, nothing is to stop you from testing it out, and it would be appreciated. /topic to see where and how to install. Im about to remove a sarge install, to install the breezy, it has a boot splash screen.
[05:31] <dabaR> straight paste.
[05:31] <deFrysk> P8ntKid, try if you have gnome-screenshot available
[05:31] <jaramillo> well, then you need to mount as: /
[05:31] <hybrid_goth> Thunder00: lol you are being vague
[05:31] <ancient> hy
[05:31] <dabaR> You should not install over hoary, probably, I mean, just get another partition/hard drive...
[05:32] <Vixus> Jowi: And in console I get a GStreamer warning*** Changed state from NULL to PAUSED
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> Thunder00: i assume you mean is not likely to break the whole system and bugs are not major
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> Thunder00: colony 3 should be "stable"
[05:32] <ancient> how can i install ?
[05:32] <ancient> :)
[05:32] <Jowi> Vixus: ok, let's try something. gnome -> system -> prefs-> multimedia something -> default output and input sink = alsa
[05:33] <Thunder00> i'm gonna test colony 3 for my laptop . any advice ?
[05:33] <Vixus> Jowi: It says ESD... should I change it to ALSA?
[05:33] <Vixus> ah
[05:33] <Jowi> Vixus: we killed esd with "killall esd" so yes
[05:33] <Whistler> anybody has a siemens e-110 router?
[05:33] <Vixus> maybe it will work now
[05:34] <ancient> too hard for me ,i'am out :))
[05:34] <Vixus> Jowi: Default Source = OSS
[05:34] <phil197> does anyone have an ap400 compaq workstation?
[05:34] <dabaR> ancient: install what?
[05:34] <Jowi> Vixus: oss should work, if not try alsa.
[05:34] <ancient> anything
[05:34] <dabaR> What would you like to install? a program?
[05:34] <ancient> i'ts for the first time when i use linux
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> ancient: open synaptic
[05:35] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: you are talking nonsense, did you even read their release notes?
[05:35] <ancient> a program
[05:35] <deFrysk> Vixus, if you have a not used onboard sound ,using an other soundcard make sure you have your sound disabled in your bios (just in case )
[05:35] <dabaR> ancient: cool, check out the message ubotu is gonna send you.
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: i was gettin there
[05:35] <Vixus> Jowi: gnome-sound-recorder doesnt give error, but recording is blank.
[05:35] <ancient> ok
[05:35] <ancient> ok
[05:35] <dabaR> check out his web site it shows it.
[05:36] <Whistler> can anybody please help me with port forwarding for bittorent?
[05:36] <Jowi> deFrysk: strange thing: he get sound from the speakers when using the mic but it does not get recorded
[05:36] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: a development version is not stable.
[05:36] <benkong2> how can I enable mod_rewrite in apache2 on ubuntu?
[05:36] <deFrysk> Jowi, I see
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: hence the ""s
[05:36] <deFrysk> Jowi, dont know much about recording
[05:36] <dabaR> it is testing, a colony release is testing, kinda, I think.
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> if he wants breezy then he should know it isnt a hoary
[05:37] <uthini> erm guys
[05:37] <uthini> !mesa
[05:37] <ubotu> uthini: I give up, what is it?
[05:37] <Vixus> Jowi: Nope, still not working.
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> colony is like a release canadite
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> iirc
[05:37] <Jowi> deFrysk: for me it just works. but i had to disable esd. for some reason that does not do the trick for Vixus
[05:37] <Vixus> Jowi: I'll just use windows for recording then.
[05:37] <uthini> how do i re enable mesagl?
[05:37] <uthini> !mesagl
[05:37] <ubotu> uthini: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:37] <siucdude> jaramillo sorry my loptop rebooted anyways its installing
[05:37] <tombs> hi ppl
[05:37] <Jowi> Vixus: sorry i could not work it out for you atm
[05:37] <Vixus> Jowi: Np, thanks for the help anyway.
[05:37] <Jowi> !recording
[05:37] <ubotu> Jowi: What?
[05:37] <Jowi> !record
[05:37] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Jowi
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> lol
[05:38] <siucdude> reson is that ubuntu has a stop install if it detects old version it does not like to install over junk
[05:38] <Trackilizer> how do i update to the new Ubuntu verson without installing the whole system again?
[05:38] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[05:38] <EasterSunshine> !upgrade2breezy
[05:38] <ubotu> well, msg the bot is please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please.
[05:38] <ubotu> upgrade2breezy is, like, totally, sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> Trackilizer: update the /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <hybrid_goth> ok nvm
[05:39] <Trackilizer> well, i dont know what to put in there
[05:39] <Jowi> Whistler: you still need to be more precise. what do you mean when you say that you want to forward bittorrent ports!?
[05:39] <Vixus> ubotu is awesome
[05:39] <ubotu> Vixus: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:39] <dabaR> Trackilizer: you will come into a lot of trouble.
[05:39] <Trackilizer> why?
[05:39] <Vixus> yse
[05:39] <jaramillo> :o
[05:39] <dabaR> or an equivalent in english.
[05:39] <EasterSunshine> breezy is unstable
[05:39] <Vixus> Bye all.
[05:39] <dabaR> cause it is a development version, not stable.
[05:39] <Whistler> Jowi http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1553 look here
[05:39] <Whistler> maybe you will understand
[05:40] <Trackilizer> so, i should just stick to the version i have now?
[05:40] <siucdude> jaramillo i guess i will see what happanes once it finishes the install
[05:40] <EasterSunshine> Trackilizer: breezy is currently for testing
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> can i write to an hfs+ partition from ubuntu?
[05:40] <dabaR> Trackilizer: ya. if you wanna test out breezy, download the installer, and install it to another partition, or download the live CD and check that out.
[05:40] <dabaR> can you all stop giving misinformation?
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> chroot it
[05:40] <siucdude> i actually might have question regarding the xorg after that you mind
[05:40] <dabaR> all: /topic
[05:40] <Whistler> Jowi i am using hardware modem+router
[05:41] <jaramillo> ;o
[05:41] <Whistler> i want to forward 6881 port to my pc
[05:41] <jaramillo> k
[05:41] <Trackilizer> i se
[05:41] <Trackilizer> see*
[05:41] <hakati> any ubuntu experts like to team up with an extremely talented designer (me) in starting some multipurpose webshops to earn $$$?
[05:41] <Trackilizer> well thanks again
[05:41] <dabaR> and then read the colony 3 URL.
[05:41] <Trackilizer> see ya
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> watch out dabaR didnt take his hormones
[05:41] <rasputnik> Whistler: use ssh?
[05:41] <Whistler> rasputnik i can use it
[05:41] <Whistler> but i dont know
[05:41] <Whistler> how
[05:42] <jaramillo> bbl
[05:42] <jaramillo> <3
[05:42] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: ya, everyone is gonna love you when they break their nice system with breezy, have only one partition, and dont know what to do in command line...
[05:42] <rasputnik> Whistler: ssh -L 6881:your.pc.domain:6881 user@yourpc
[05:43] <rasputnik> Whistler: the above forwards local port 6881 to 6881 on your.pc.domain
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: one person asked and he asked about major bugs
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> its not like X is broken
[05:43] <Jowi> Whistler: let me get this straight. you have set up the router to capture outgoing port 6881 and redirect it to the same pc port 6889? why on earth do you want to do that? and why is "local port" 0?
[05:43] <Whistler> Jowi nope i want to open all ports between 6881 to 6889 to my local ports
[05:44] <dabaR> and you all like gave them upgrade instructions...anyhow, I dont care, hybrid_goth, do you run breezy?
[05:44] <anoop> My FIREFOX is not downloadin anythin!!!!!!!!!!
[05:44] <rasputnik> Whistler: do you want to port forward? or do you want to open a firewall
[05:44] <hakati> you all mf rich or something
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: actually yes
[05:44] <Whistler> rasputnik port forward
[05:44] <anoop> it just says DONE
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> along side OSX
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> hence the hfs+ question
[05:45] <Jowi> Whistler: ahhh, oki. but that doesn't answer my question though. why are you forwarding a port back to yourself?
[05:46] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: and, you dont have any trouble at all?
[05:46] <Whistler> Jowi i want to forward port to my pc from router
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: nope its called CLI
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> it elimenates all yuour probles
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> **problems
[05:46] <Whistler> Jowi i use hardware router to share internet for 2pcs
[05:46] <rasputnik> hybrid_goth: hard to use gimp though.
[05:46] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: its called CLI...youre such a cool person...
[05:47] <Whistler> so i want to be able to use bittorent ant normal speeds
[05:47] <dabaR> heh
[05:47] <dabaR> anyhow, good luck, I am gonna install a breezy too, but not over my hoary.
[05:47] <rasputnik> hybrid_goth: did you google for 'hfs+ linux'? first hit looks good
[05:47] <Whistler> that means i have to forward port to my pc
[05:47] <dabaR> later.
[05:47] <Jowi> Whistler: your router is set up like this now: your pc (1.11) is sending out packets on ports 6881-6889. when these are detected it gets sent back to the same pc (1.11) on the same port. it does not make sence i'm afraid
[05:48] <Whistler> Jowi so can you  help me to make it work
[05:48] <Whistler> like it should?
[05:48] <dawkirst> Hello.
[05:48] <Jowi> What is the ip addresses of your computers?
[05:48] <Whistler> 192.168.1.11 192.168.1.10 192.168.1.26
[05:48] <Whistler> 3pcs
[05:48] <dawkirst> I just downloaded Skype in a .deb file. How do I go about installing it?
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> rasputnik: ok ty and if i need photo/video/audio editing i use osx
[05:48] <delire> dawkirst: dpkg -i file.deb
[05:49] <Whistler> dawkirst dpkg -i name.deb
[05:49] <Whistler> ah
[05:49] <Jowi> Whistler: from which ip to which ip do you want to redirect traffic?
[05:49] <Whistler> grr..
[05:50] <Whistler> Jowi i want to be able to use bittorent on all pcs
[05:50] <delire> dawkirst: i suppose you can also open it up in a package manager like synaptic/kpackage also.
[05:50] <bur[n] er> Whistler: u can... change the port that azureus uses... and map ports accordingly :)
[05:50] <Jowi> Whistler: you need to understand. your router blocks NO traffic between your local computers. all traffic is open.
[05:50] <Xappe> ah, nice. 800 K from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:50] <Whistler> Jowi i know
[05:50] <Whistler> i want to be able to send data
[05:51] <delire> hybrid_goth: audacity, or ardour are good for audio editing. for image editing i prefer gimp2.2 these days.
[05:51] <Whistler> Jowi for example like in this tutorial http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Siemens/E-010-I/Azureus.htm
[05:51] <dawkirst> delire: well I have a problem. Where can I get an amd64 architecture equivalent to a i386 one?
[05:51] <Almindor> is there any .deb editor which can change .deb dependencies etc ?
[05:51] <Jowi> Whistler: your router does not block outgoing traffic - only incoming as default. so you need to fill in "local port".
[05:51] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get rhythmbox --toggle-hide to focus the player on unhiding??
[05:51] <Whistler> k
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> delire: what about video?
[05:52] <Jowi> Whistler: hang on, i check that link
[05:52] <delire> dawkirst: hmm let's hope there is a skype for amd64
[05:52] <Whistler> k
[05:52] <EasterSunshine> hde thru hdh are sata?
[05:53] <delire> hybrid_goth: i use a modular programming environment for that called 'Pure Data'. many like Cinelerra and for DV capture i find Kino excellent.
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> delire: ok i will check it out
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> delire: i am orking on a systm-like video howto and thats what i have been editiing
[05:54] <delire> hybrid_goth: short of getting into $30,000 software packages for Linux (hollywood uses alot of linux for video editing) it is a little grim.
[05:54] <delire> hybrid_goth: right..
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> delire: they do?
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> delire: systm is a downloadable video howto show http://systm.org
[05:54] <delire> hybrid_goth: hell yeah. linux gave us gollum, shrek, sin city, titanic etc etc
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> 0_0
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[05:55] <delire> hybrid_goth: sure, will check it out.
[05:55] <sproingie> linux rendered ... not sure that the front-ends ran on it
[05:55] <Whistler> Jowi do you got it what do i want?
[05:55] <sproingie> or has alias ported maya to linux?
[05:56] <Jowi> Whistler: according to your router manual that should do it.
[05:56] <delire> sproingie: yes, they did. i used Maya on Linux for several years.
[05:56] <delire> sproingie: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdpcm/is_200305/ai_ziff41072
[05:56] <Jowi> Whistler: that opens the port for that single computer only
[05:56] <delire> sproingie: Maya on Linux is the standard for 3D animation in hollywood, disney etc
[05:56] <Whistler> Jowi i see
[05:57] <delire> sproingie: but yes, also responsible for rendering etc: http://www.digitmag.co.uk/features/index.cfm?FeatureID=1162
[05:57] <sproingie> delire: mmm, nice.  looks like linux is sewing up another market.  first EDA, now 3d video production
[05:57] <Whistler> Jowi i get Total Number of Inbound Packets w/ This Rule:  	6 	Total Number of Outbound Packets w/ This Rule:  	0
[05:57] <Whistler> something is wrong
[05:58] <Whistler> =[
[05:58] <sproingie> wonder what the next professional market will be that linux takes over
[05:58] <Jowi> Whistler: if you have local firewalls: turn them off. if that does not help you need to contact siemens for support. might be a bug in the firmware and they might have upgrades.
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> sproingie: videogames
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> sproingie: the psp OS is built ontop of netBSD
[05:59] <Whistler> Jowi i do not have firewall on my pc
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> iirc
[05:59] <delire> hybrid_goth: perhaps
[05:59] <earl_> ok so yesterday I installed ATI drivers and I'm pretty sure it has caused a few problems, can someone give me a hand?
[05:59] <sproingie> hybrid_goth: well, embedded, sure ... i don't know though, the toolchain is FAR less mature
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> delire: it is aan exciting oppurtuinity
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> sproingie: idk why they chose netbsd i guess the BSD liscence
[06:00] <Jowi> Whistler: so either there is a misprint in your manual or a bug in your router.
[06:00] <sproingie> hybrid_goth: naw, because it has a lovely rock solid ARM port. PSP's don't really need much else from an OS
[06:00] <Whistler> Jowi may be.But it seems to be a rare model so i cant get any help. =[
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> sproingie: ah i see
[06:01] <earl_> ever since I installed my drivers, I cannot change the screen resolution (i get an error message when i try to open the dialog) and I cannot use totem movie player (i'm pretty sure these are both related to the same problem.)
[06:01] <delire> hybrid_goth: agreed
[06:01] <sproingie> mmkay, gotta mosey off
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> that makes me wonder what the DS runs
[06:01] <delire> hybrid_goth sproingie here's a little on the proprietary movie editing software running on Linux: http://cgw.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=Articles&Subsection=Display&ARTICLE_ID=118664
[06:01] <Jowi> Whistler: ouch. look for firmware updates anyway. that can solve helluva lot of problems (speaking from experience with a whole range of d-link routers)
[06:02] <kameron> when i install grub on the MBR, and after rebooting from the installation, am i supposed to be dropped in that bash-like grub shell.. pressing tab gives you a bunch of commands, etc. i've only had it happen once where after installing, i get a list of OS's to boot from.. i've tried installing both ubuntu 5.04 for x86, and for amd64, and kubuntu for both aswell. once the ubuntu for 86 worked, but for some odd reason, never again. exact 
[06:02] <Whistler> Jowi can you try to scan my 6881 port?
[06:03] <Jowi> Whistler: yep, /msg me your public ip
[06:03] <EasterSunshine> Jowi: host his host
[06:03] <siucdude> ok everyone what is the deal with xorg
[06:03] <EasterSunshine> Jowi: you know what i mean...
[06:04] <kameron> does anyone know how to use the grub bash-like shell to do anything useful.. like booting?
[06:04] <netstar> siucdude, what do you mean?
[06:04] <netstar> there are many deals to xorg.
[06:04] <earl_> ok so yesterday I installed ATI drivers and I'm pretty sure it has caused a few problems, can someone give me a hand?
[06:05] <kameron> is there another ubuntu channel where i can ask questions?
[06:06] <kameron> on a diff network?
[06:06] <siucdude> i use breezy and my xorg works worked with *.-43 but i upgraded to the new -50 and now it won't load
[06:07] <siucdude> i keep getting errors
[06:07] <kameron> useless support channel, bye.
[06:07] <ben_60657> can someone point me to a help channel for general hardware issues...
[06:07] <jaybob> Hello, Everyone.  I'm new to Ubuntu and Linux.  I just freshly installed Ubuntu and would like some help installing the "nvidia-glx" drivers.  I'm hoping that by installing them I will have some 3D acceleration because currently there seems to be none.  The 3D screensavers are a slideshow.  Will somebody guide me though the process?
[06:08] <EasterSunshine> ben_60657: try #ubuntu
[06:08] <ben_60657> ok
[06:08] <ben_60657> hello...i recently bought a dvd burner and it was shipped without any connecting cables, driver cd, or documentation...someone told me this is standard when buying computer parts (which i don't do)...is this true? where do i get the cables, drivers, docs?
[06:08] <EasterSunshine> oh...that kind of hardware issue
[06:09] <ben_60657> uh huh
[06:09] <paulproteus> ben_60657: All you need is an IDE cable.
[06:09] <paulproteus> If you'd like, you can attach it to the IDE cable connecting your hard drive to your motherboard.
[06:09] <ben_60657> why didn't it ship with the dvd drive?
[06:09] <EasterSunshine> ben_60657: you have purcahsed a refurbished product, i beleive
[06:09] <paulproteus> It's not strictly necessary.
[06:09] <ben_60657> no, it's supposedly new
[06:09] <paulproteus> EasterSunshine: Or just an "OEM" product.
[06:10] <EasterSunshine> ben_60657: you can probably find drivers and manual online, as for the cables, they are not specific to your burner so you can probably find them withinin your chassis
[06:10] <paulproteus> ben_60657: These are "OEM" == "Original Equipment Manufacturer" parts, usually, that don't come with cables.  For big systems assemblers, to get an IDE cable with everything they buy would be a waste.
[06:11] <netstar> Though it's likely that the drivers will be included with the Linux kernel.
[06:11] <paulproteus> EasterSunshine: DVD burner?  No drivers needed in GNU/Linux, at least.
[06:11] <netstar> So just plug it in
[06:11] <paulproteus> It'll work fine with k3b or other programs.
[06:11] <deFrysk> set it to slave if attached to harddrive cable
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> paulproteus: i know, but some burners include like nero and all this trash on a cd
[06:11] <ben_60657> ok...i'll just use what's in the chassis
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> paulproteus: and some insist on including drivers even though they are not needed
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> ben_60657: its that rectangular box that your motherboard and hard drives are in
[06:11] <netstar> "If it fits push it in"
[06:11] <deFrysk> and if it does not ?
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> ben_60657: sry. misread your question as what's the chassis
[06:11] <netstar> "if it moves pump it"
[06:12] <deFrysk> :D
[06:12] <delire> jaybob: i use ATI here with 3D accelleration. i'm sure there'll be someone in here using Nvidia-glx however.
[06:12] <jaybob> Does anyone know how to get 3D Hardware acceleration working?
[06:12] <jaybob> Yeah, I hope.
[06:12] <kirk__> Anybody know how to get libdvdcss2 installed?
[06:13] <netstar> jaybob, I hacked mine together yesterday
[06:13] <paulproteus> !dvd
[06:13] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[06:13] <paulproteus> !hoary-extras
[06:13] <ubotu> rumour has it, hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:13] <kirk__> thank you
[06:13] <delire> jaybob: 'apt-get install nvidia-glx' should be a good start. then alter /etc/X11/xorg.conf to read 'nvidia' instead of 'vesa' or 'nv' which you likely have already. then 'modprobe nvidia' and restart X. i'm guessing here..
[06:14] <redguy> !tell jaybob about nvidia
[06:14] <delire> redguy: cheers ;)
[06:15] <dennis__> Hello
[06:15] <redguy> :] 
[06:15] <dennis__> Can anyone here help me setup a network between my 2 ubuntu boxes?
[06:15] <dennis__> For filesharing
[06:15] <jaybob> Restarting X is where I run into problems.  I really have no clue what X is for sure, but when I ctrl-alt-bkspace the screen goes black.  Then I ctrl-alt-f1 and I get a prompt.  I type startx and I recieve an error...
[06:15] <delire> jaybob: what error?
[06:16] <dennis__> I read the guide but I'm still a little confused
[06:16] <jaybob> I don't remember specifically.  It seemed to be telling me X was already running or something?...
[06:16] <SolidRaven> uh, can anybody help me with ndiswrapper?
[06:16] <delire> jaybob: X is the graphics server to which client applications using windows/GUI's etc connect to give you your 'desktop'.
[06:16] <earl_> Can someone give me a hand with fixing some problems that happened after i installed graphics drivers?
[06:16] <delire> jaybob: is the computer in this state now?
[06:17] <redguy> jaybob: ctr-alt-backspace should kill X. It should restart with a nvidia logo afrer being killed.
[06:17] <delire> jaybob: you will need to log out completely. the best bet is a reboot.
[06:17] <jaybob> No, I just finished re-installing Ubuntu so I could give it a clean try.
[06:17] <deFrysk> reboot ?
[06:17] <deFrysk> why ?
[06:17] <delire> jaybob: redguy is right, you should see a logo.
[06:17] <dennis__> delire...do you think you could help me setup filesharing between my 2 boxes? I read the guide but am still a bit confsed...
[06:17] <deFrysk> ugly nvidia logo
[06:17] <chrissturm> i am using public key auth over ssh, what do i need to do that i have to enter my passphrase just once per session?
[06:17] <jaybob> Yeah, I didnt see any logo.
[06:18] <delire> deFrysk: sometimes the login manager maintains the X session..
[06:18] <tristanmike> I like the nvidia logo :)
[06:18] <paulproteus> chrissturm: On a console, do: ssh-add
[06:18] <delire> deFrysk: but it may not be the base these days with gnome.
[06:18] <paulproteus> Or, Alt-F2
[06:18] <paulproteus> ssh-add
[06:18] <dennis__> Anyone :(?
[06:18] <deFrysk> delire, ctrl alt backspc does the trick fine in ubuntu
[06:18] <chrissturm> paulproteus, thx!
[06:19] <paulproteus> chrissturm: No prob.
[06:19] <delire> dennis__: all my 'filesharing' is using network mounts, rsync and scp (ssh). if you mean samba, there'll be others that can help you better here.
[06:19] <delire> deFrysk: great, not always the case in gnome/kde.
[06:19] <dennis__> Yeah
[06:20] <dennis__> I just installed samba on both of the machines
[06:20] <dennis__> But I don't know what to do next
[06:20] <carajean> how to cd to a file that has spaces in the name?
[06:20] <dennis__> Use the tab feature
[06:20] <dennis__> Type part of the folder name and hit tab
[06:20] <deFrysk> jaybob, you read the wiki about nvidia install and configuration ?
[06:20] <dennis__> It will complete it for you
[06:21] <dennis__> Can anyone here help me with samba?
[06:21] <delire> dennis__: from memory nautilus supports samba. i don't use the filebrowser nautilus here. ask someone else on that. you may be able to smb://host
[06:21] <jaybob> Here is what I did yesterday:  I edited the repository so I could download the nvidia-glx driver.  I then used synaptic to install the driver.  I then opened the terminal and typed "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable".  I then logged out and used ctrl-alt-backspace.  The screen goes black.  I can still here sound.  I pressed ctrl-alt-f1 and I get a prompt.  I typed startx and nothing really happens.  When I reboot, the computer boots to
[06:21] <trs> hi... i have installed kubuntu 5.02 is it possible to read/write from/to a ntfs partition
[06:21] <dennis__> Wtf
[06:21] <dennis__> :o
[06:21] <darkheart> trs You can read, but you can't write.
[06:21] <delire> trs: you can't write to one without the captive-ntfs driver.
[06:21] <deFrysk> jaybob, how old is your nvidia-card ?
[06:21] <delire> trs: and it's dangerous.. this is M$'s doing.
[06:22] <deFrysk> jaybob, is it an old tnt card ?
[06:22] <trs> delire, so i have to use a fat32 partition?
[06:22] <tristanmike> carajean, use quotes..""
[06:22] <delire> trs: it's much better yes
[06:22] <trs> okay
[06:22] <jaybob> no, its a geforce6800GT.  in a a64 3500+ system with a gig of ram
[06:23] <no_dammagE> what package does provide glade--?
[06:23] <deFrysk> jaybob, and did the xorgconfig recognize your monitor ?
[06:24] <delire> dennis__: i know many friends that use a web based samba administration tool called smb2www, or smb4k on kde.
[06:24] <jaybob> deFrysk:  I'm sorry, but I'm a complete noob to linux and I honestly don't know what that means or how to check that... :0(
[06:24] <carajean> ok that tab thing doesnt seem to work
[06:24] <delire> no_dammagE: apt-cache search glade. you'll see a libglade* in there
[06:24] <dennis__> Delire well maybe you can suggest something
[06:24] <dennis__> I have a server
[06:24] <deFrysk> cat /et/X11/xorg.conf and pastte it in pastebin and send the url jaybob
[06:24] <dennis__> That I need to have access to /var/www/
[06:25] <SolidRaven> uh is somebody willing to help me with setting up ndiswrapper?
[06:25] <P8ntKid> hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play.
[06:25] <dennis__> Write and such
[06:25] <SolidRaven> modprobe ndiswrapper returns an error
[06:25] <delire> dennis__: give me a moment..
[06:25] <no_dammagE> yes, i installed all libglades, but those don't provide glade--
[06:25] <deFrysk> jaybob, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf sorry
[06:25] <carajean> can u cd and point sort of like click on a file and cd to it in terminal
[06:25] <dennis__> k
[06:25] <carajean> ?
[06:25] <no_dammagE> i checked packages.debian.org - there is an extra glademm package
[06:26] <jaybob> deFrysk:  I'm not on the Ubuntu machine right now...hold on
[06:26] <delire> no_dammagE: are you compiling software?
[06:26] <bernardos> Hello. How to install some .deb packets which are on a usb key ? they don't appear in synaptic. if anyone could point me to some guide...thx :)
[06:26] <P8ntKid> hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play.
[06:26] <no_dammagE> delire, yes, else i wouldnt ask for glademm :)
[06:26] <delire> no_dammagE: make sure you install the -dev packges. these contain the headers (*.h files).
[06:26] <carajean> can anyone just help me real quick to cd to a file with spaces in it
[06:26] <carajean> ?
[06:26] <no_dammagE> delire, of course I did ;) well, I got now glademm from packages.debian.org
[06:27] <no_dammagE> cd "my dir"
[06:27] <Whistler>  use 
[06:27] <no_dammagE> or use the <TAB>
[06:27] <P8ntKid> hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play.
[06:27] <luzbelito> hi to all, i need help in open office. i try to paste text, but text processor pastes ir like an object and i must select "paste special-> unformatted text" to see it like i want. how can i solve it???
[06:27] <deFrysk> carajean, use \ in a space
[06:27] <muffin_> whats the shell command for changing a dir with " " in it???
[06:27] <keikoz> carajean or pyut \ before the space
[06:27] <carajean> tab doesnt work it says the file doesnt exist even though it does
[06:27] <deFrysk> carajean, or hit tab twice
[06:27] <delire> no_dammagE: when you see error output about missing libs, the missing libs are useally headers. so 'dpkg -l | grep libglade2-dev' produces a result?
[06:27] <earl_> Can someone give me a hand with fixing some problems that happened after i installed graphics drivers?
[06:28] <delire> no_dammagE: and "ii" result?
[06:28] <no_dammagE> luzbelito, try to mark your text and use the middle mouse button
[06:28] <Whistler> carajean so write cd my cool dir
[06:28] <ibthomson> hey guys, I get this (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1556) output when compiling cedega cvs in 32-bit chroot.. any idea how to fix/work around it?
[06:28] <P8ntKid> hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play.
[06:28] <jaybob2> Hello, This is jaybob on his ubuntu machine :0)
[06:28] <delire> ;)
[06:28] <deFrysk> hehe
[06:28] <SolidRaven> i would be happy if i got ndiswrapper to work ....
[06:28] <luzbelito> no_dammagE, YES!!! thanks... can i modify it ????
[06:28] <muffin_> help: i can't cd with dir with " " (SPACE) in em
[06:28] <no_dammagE> delire, I know that I need all dev packages so software can be compiled - im developing software :) the problem was that i didnt find a glademm package in any of standard ubuntu repos (+ multivers and universe)
[06:29] <deFrysk> jaybob, and I have to go , just pase what i said in pastebin and ask someone whats wrong , back later!
[06:29] <no_dammagE> luzbelito, huh? what do you mean by modifying it?
[06:29] <P8ntKid> hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play.
[06:29] <delire> no_dammagE: well i use debian here and develop with glademm also. the package names may be different albeit.
[06:29] <jaybob2> Ok thanks for helpin
[06:29] <no_dammagE> delire, doesnt matter, I got it from the debian repos manually, thanks for the hints :)
[06:30] <jaybob2> Ok so I just typed "cat /etc/x11/xorg.conf" in the terminal and this is what was returned "cat: /etc/x11/xorg.conf:  No such file or directory"
[06:30] <delire> no_dammagE np
[06:31] <luzbelito> no_dammagE, i mean if can i change first button does function of middle button
[06:31] <P8ntKid> hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play.
[06:31] <delire> dennis__: 'sudo apt-get install swat' let's use this.
[06:31] <carajean> tab doesnt work anymore for some reason
[06:32] <dennis__> Delire
[06:32] <no_dammagE> luzbelito, unfortunately I don't know if you can modify that, you might want to ask some experts here
[06:32] <dennis__> #flood real quick
[06:32] <ibthomson> hey guys, I get this (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1556) output when compiling cedega cvs in 32-bit chroot.. any idea how to fix/work around it?
[06:33] <dennis__> ibthomson, #cedega
[06:33] <hadi57> any body can help me install skype and opera on ubuntu?
[06:33] <ibthomson> dennis__, thanks
[06:33] <ilreds> hi to all
[06:33] <luzbelito> no_dammagE, thanks for your help
[06:33] <Xenguy> hadi57: FWIW, neither of those are 'free as in freedom'
[06:33] <ilreds> anybody use breezy?
[06:34] <Tadej> hi
[06:34] <hadi57> skype is free
[06:34] <Tadej> how do I check what version of ubuntu is instaled?
[06:34] <no_dammagE> luzbelito, np
[06:34] <no_dammagE> Tadej, uname -a
[06:34] <no_dammagE> Tadej, ah, no, it shows you kernel version, sry
[06:34] <Xenguy> hadi57: free as in beer, but not as in freedom (AFAIK)
[06:34] <hadi57> so they cant be used?
[06:35] <Tadej> :)
[06:35] <Xenguy> hadi57: you can use them, they just aren't 'free' in the full sense of the word
[06:35] <Tadej> any idea?
[06:36] <hadi57> ok i got u
[06:36] <hadi57> thx
[06:36] <Xenguy> hadi57: for future reference: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html
[06:36] <Xenguy> hadi57: I'll shut up now :-)
[06:36] <carajean> i think i willswitch back to linux the day i cant type in a simple file is a sad day
[06:36] <hadi57> thanks again
[06:36] <carajean> i mean back to windows
[06:37] <Ummmmm> hiya
[06:37] <delire> hehe
[06:37] <dennis__> delire, any idea whats up?
[06:37] <Ummmmm> how do I determine what my kernel version is?
[06:37] <Xenguy> carajean: use tab completion
[06:37] <delire> dennis__: i was in #flood and didn't see you post anything. use http://pastebin.com
[06:37] <Angel-SL> Ummmmm: uname -a
[06:37] <Xenguy> Ummmmm: uname -a
[06:37] <carajean> dont work i cant cd straight to the file
[06:37] <Angel-SL> ...
[06:37] <carajean> plus i dont even know what that means
[06:38] <Ummmmm> angel-sl / xenguy: thanks!!
[06:38] <Xenguy> carajean: hrm, not sure what you mean; you can create 'aliases' that are like a shortcut to a file or directory if you want
[06:38] <redguy> uname -r actually :-)
[06:38] <dennis__> delire, http://pastebin.com/344129
[06:38] <delire> carajean: if you can't use tab completion, and for some odd reason quotes don't work, use '\' to escape the spaces like so 'this\ is\ my\ ridiculous\ file\ name.file'
[06:39] <delire> dennis__: ok
[06:39] <Ummmmm> that\ sucks.file
[06:39] <Xenguy> carajean: that works great on the command-line, or if you want a GUI a file manager should be able to create some 'bookmarks' for you
[06:39] <carajean> i will try it hold on just a sec
[06:39] <delire> dennis__: have you got something 'non ubuntu' in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:40] <dennis__> No[e
[06:40] <dennis__> Nope*
[06:40] <Xenguy> carajean: (depending on the file manager I suppose)
[06:40] <asfra> can anybody tell me what the latest column in /etc/fstab is? is it the same as fsck?
[06:40] <delire> dennis__: prove it by pasting your sources.list ;)
[06:40] <dennis__> :P
[06:40] <carajean> ooohh ok i got it u need to put spaces after the \ things
[06:41] <asfra> that is the <pass> column
[06:41] <dennis__> delire http://pastebin.com/344132
[06:41] <asfra> !fstab
[06:41] <ubotu> asfra: I don't know
[06:41] <delire> dennis__: the integrity of this file is important. a wrong line can be like asking win95 to install windows XP software.
[06:42] <delire> por ejemplo
[06:42] <ezsquirt> is there an entry to blank a cdrw in nautilus ? or do i have to umount it and do the regular cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/cdrw
[06:42] <requiem_> hello
[06:42] <requiem_> I have a problem
[06:42] <requiem_> My mouse double clicks when I click only once
[06:42] <Stompey00> is there a way to read a log of whats happening during connect to an isp? I have a external serial mdem that i pppconfig'd and it dials and starts the connection if I pon it. but when I poff it says there isnt a connection.  Does sbcglobal support linux? Their support people didn't seem to know
[06:42] <requiem_> do anybody has some problem like this ?
[06:43] <delire> dennis__: well you're right. it may be the backports however.
[06:43] <dennis__> ?
[06:43] <redguy> delire, dennis__: backports might be the problem
[06:43] <delire> dennis__: apt-get update and then try installing swat (the web based samba manager)
[06:43] <dennis__> what about them?
[06:43] <requiem_> Stompey00, /var/log ?
[06:43] <delire> dennis__: they cause problems. take the backports lines out and then apt-get update. it will work.
[06:43] <dennis__> k
[06:44] <Stompey00> k
[06:44] <asfra> can anybody tell me what the latest column in /etc/fstab is? is it the same as fsck? it is called <pass>
[06:44] <ompaul> requiem_, never heard of it before, what kind of mouse and what is the situation with 'right' clicks
[06:44] <requiem_> I have one little doubt
[06:44] <requiem_> when I click once it opens a window, is that the ubuntu default ?
[06:45] <delire> asfra: it means if there is a problem whether to fsck it more than once.
[06:45] <dennis__> Delire
[06:45] <dennis__> I got the same error
[06:45] <delire> dennis__: did you remove those backports lines and apt-get update?
[06:45] <ompaul> requiem_, usually if I choose a terminal one click and it works
[06:45] <dennis__> Yes
[06:45] <delire> dennis__: eek.
[06:45] <redguy> asfra: man fstab
[06:46] <asfra> delire: thanks
[06:46] <requiem_> ompaul, but if it isn't selected
[06:46] <dennis__> http://pastebin.com/344137
[06:46] <requiem_> you click and a window just opens
[06:46] <asfra> redguy: thanks for the tip :)
[06:46] <ompaul> requiem_, yes
[06:46] <jaybob> Ok, so with a fresh install of ubuntu I installed the nvidia-glx driver.  I then typed "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable".  finally I typed "sudo reboot".  the computer rebooted to a blank screen and the monitor say "no signal".  I can hear the OS sounds, im just getting no visual....any help...?
[06:46] <requiem_> ompaul, is there anyway to change that behavior ?
[06:46] <dennis__> delire...did you see that?
[06:46] <dennis__> http://pastebin.com/344137
[06:46] <delire> asfra: your root file system (the one you are running) should have '1' in the pass column
[06:47] <ompaul> requiem_, you would have to check out gnome documentation for that I don't know, but it is easy once you get used to it
[06:47] <zaudragon> hello
[06:47] <requiem_> ompaul, I don't want to get use to it
[06:47] <requiem_> I can't
[06:47] <zaudragon> what files on the HD do the LiveCDs touch?
[06:47] <delire> dennis__: you're absolutel right. you've hit a problem here.
[06:48] <asfra> delire: yeah, it does. I was just entering another row and started wondering what things mean...
[06:48] <ompaul> requiem_, I know it is easy I gave up double using double click environments 10 years ago
[06:48] <ompaul> requiem_, it is possible but you are on your own there
[06:48] <redguy> jaybob: ctrl-alt-f1, login as your usual user and sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log says. Look for lines beginning with EE (which denote errors)
[06:48] <delire> dennis__: what does 'apt-get install samba' give you? we need to find out why samba doesn't want to be installed. by the way, i thought you already had samba onboard? can you give me the link to the HOWTO you followed?
[06:49] <dennis__> Just the one from the ubuntuguide.org
[06:49] <carajean> err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL   whats this mean?
[06:49] <dennis__> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:49] <dennis__>   samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[06:49] <dennis__> E: Broken packages
[06:50] <robotgeek> zaudragon: hi, can u repeat?
[06:50] <ompaul> zaudragon, none unless you want them to
[06:50] <dennis__> Delire
[06:50] <dennis__> Samba won't install
[06:50] <dennis__> Broken Packages
[06:50] <redguy> dennis__: there's still something messed up with your sources file.
[06:50] <Xenguy> Stompey00: /var/log/messages (likely)
[06:50] <zaudragon> ompaul: weird, Mac OS X now Kernel Panics because Kubuntu crashed on me once
[06:50] <delire> dennis__: i see this. very odd. something's awry in your sources.list (as redguy also notes).
[06:50] <dennis__> Want me to post it again?
[06:50] <zaudragon> I have since switched to Ubuntu though)
[06:51] <robotgeek> zaudragon: best bet, repair using the Tiger/Panther CD if u need OS X back
[06:51] <carajean> how to get a dll and make it work i need some sort of library???
[06:51] <delire> dennis__: i am not on Ubuntu here so i cannot compare with your sources.list
[06:51] <zaudragon> robotgeek: what should I do with it?
[06:51] <zaudragon> I have to reinstall i? :(
[06:51] <dennis__> Redguy can you?
[06:51] <dennis__> http://pastebin.com/344143
[06:51] <delire> carajean: 'wine' often does the trick. it's a wrapper/abstraction layer for windows libraries
[06:51] <dennis__> There is my sources.list
[06:51] <EasterSunshine> can someone give me a quick sed command to convert windows end-of-lines to unix eols?
[06:52] <redguy> dennis__: will try
[06:52] <twibbler> could anybody tell me if you can install IE under wine please, and if so a gide to how ...
[06:52] <robotgeek> zaudragon: pop it in, and just use the disk utility or whatever to fix the OS X partition (repair) option
[06:52] <robotgeek> zaudragon: don't reinstall!
[06:52] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: try 'flip'
[06:52] <zaudragon> robotgeek: I shall
[06:52] <redguy> dennis__: what do yoy want to install swat and samba in the first point? do you want just to browse smb shares or do you want to share some files from your box as well?
[06:52] <delire> dennis__: what about getting rid of the cdrom line?
[06:53] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: thx; installing it now
[06:53] <requiem_> ompaul, do you have on your browser settings something like, activate on one click ?
[06:53] <delire> redguy: i suggested swat to him as he wanted a means of browsing shares of two computers and was most of the way through the samba howto.
[06:53] <ompaul> twibbler, I believe you can do such a thing, however you will have to ask uncle google for that guide if you are only depending on me for an answer
[06:53] <mof> bye
[06:53] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: yw (vim editor can also do this, if you are a vimmer :-)
[06:53] <EasterSunshine> twibbler: you can install it, no problem, but running it is a different story, see the wine wiki for info on running ie
[06:54] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: the only thing i can do in vi is save and exit...
[06:54] <ompaul> requiem_, no my operating system, my browser is configured like that
[06:54] <twibbler> thank you ..
[06:54] <dennis__> redguy and delire I am just trying to setup something so I can have write access to /var/www/ on a computer on my local network
[06:54] <dennis__> What would be the easiest way to do this?
[06:54] <redguy> dennis__: you might try to comment out hoary updates as well in the sources list. then apt-get update and try installing swat
[06:55] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: you're right tho, it can be done with sed (but 'flip' is easier to remember I think); google for a web page 'sed one-liners'
[06:55] <ompaul> requiem_, let me restate that, initially I thought you were asking about the window manager I am using, it is set to one click, and firefox afaik is set to one click
[06:56] <dennis__> redguy?
[06:56] <delire> dennis__: you want write access over a network to a system directory?
[06:56] <dennis__> Yeah
[06:56] <ompaul> requiem_, I do not know of any settings to adjust this, however it is opensource if you really feel like changing it go ahead
[06:56] <whyameye> anybody know anything about pptp? I need help vpn-ing into my network...
[06:56] <requiem_> ompaul, I was asking about the fact gnome activates everything on one click, and that doesn't seems really good
[06:56] <delire> dennis__: why not 'scp file you@remote-machine:/var/www/
[06:56] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: well the original problem was that cat was indenting everything after the first line...it seems flip -u'ing the files doesn't fix it...
[06:57] <requiem_> ompaul, I use linux at home, but I'm not at home
[06:57] <redguy> dennis__: ? hoary-updates is not in my sources.lis, and I have no dependecy problems with samba at all. try putting a # before deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted and the line below that as well
[06:57] <ompaul> requiem_, you can highlight with a right click and fire from a meny then
[06:57] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: what are you trying to do though?
[06:57] <dennis__> Delire, huh?
[06:57] <requiem_> ompaul, yes, but my problem is, what can I do to use a double click to activate all the items in my desktop
[06:57] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: cat a bunch of files together
[06:57] <redguy> dennis__: if I understand correctly you want access *from* another box to /var/www on the box you are trying to install samba, right?
[06:58] <ompaul> requiem_, you can highlight with a right click and fire from a menu if that is what you want - but it seems such a waste to require a user to click twice, is there some special reason you would ant that?
[06:58] <dennis__> no
[06:58] <requiem_> currently I am clicking once on the firefox log and it is opening twice
[06:58] <requiem_> firefox icon
[06:58] <dennis__> I want acess to /var/www on my other box from this computer
[06:58] <requiem_> dennis__, ssh otherbox
[06:58] <delire> dennis__: do you want to copy files to a remote location?
[06:59] <godzirra> Heya guys, I need help with wine
[06:59] <dennis__> whatever gets the job done
[06:59] <dennis__> I need to transfer files because /www/ is the folder where apache grabs files
[06:59] <godzirra> I keep getting a message when  I run "wine <program>" saying this:  "Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file"
[06:59] <requiem_> ompaul, are you understanding my problem ?
[06:59] <delire> dennis__: use "secure copy": 'scp file you@remote-machine:/var/www/.'
[07:00] <delire> dennis__: for one off files it's fabulous.
[07:00] <dennis__> WEll
[07:00] <dennis__> that might be a pain
[07:00] <dennis__> Since I will be transfering lots of files
[07:00] <godzirra> Anyone have any ideas?
[07:00] <requiem_> dennis__, scp -R you@other
[07:00] <twibbler> dennis__: for lots of files which change and you only want to upate the changes you can use the rsync command .
[07:00] <requiem_> dennis__, scp -R you@other:/var/www localfile
[07:01] <delire> dennis__: yeah use recursive flag '-r'
[07:01] <requiem_> -r
[07:01] <requiem_> sorry
[07:01] <dennis__> hmm
[07:01] <zaudragon> robotgeek: nope, repairing the disk didn't help
[07:01] <dennis__> There isn't a way to do this with naut?
[07:01] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: I see; not sure what to suggest to fix the 'indent' problem, other than manual cleanup with a (good) text editor
[07:01] <robotgeek> zaudragon: the OS X partition was mounted when kubuntu crashed?
[07:02] <zaudragon> I dunno
[07:02] <reiki_work> if naut can see shares, couldn't he vnc into the remote and fire up naut and copy from the share on his local machine to the location on the remote?
[07:02] <delire> dennis__: but you are best off with samba support in nautilus. it makes it easy. in KDE it's a simple case of typing "smb://the-other-machine" in konqueror and then drag and drop.
[07:02] <redguy> dennis__: you have GNOME right? try entering sftp://1.2.3.4/var/www in nautilus 1.2.3.4 being the IP of the other box
[07:02] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: crap...you are right...the indentation is within the files...not because of cat...
[07:02] <robotgeek> zaudragon: similiar thing happened to me, and i've stuck to ubuntu ever since!
[07:02] <binbrain> anybody know how to find out if your cd burner supports burnproof?
[07:02] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: hehe
[07:02] <dennis__> yes I have gnome
[07:02] <binbrain> like a cmd or file I can check
[07:02] <zaudragon> haha, ok, but I still like Mac OS X better
[07:02] <delire> dennis__: redguy may just have what you're after.
[07:02] <asfra> godzirra: what is wine?
[07:02] <ompaul> requiem_, yes but I do not know why you _need_ to do this, and I have said if you need this you maybe need to look at the source, I have no interest in what you are trying to do,
[07:02] <redguy> delire: there is fish:/ in konq and suposedly sftp: in inutilus does the same
[07:02] <godzirra> asfra: lets you run windows programs in emulation
[07:02] <delire> zaudragon: eeek, i can't wait to get away from it ;)
[07:03] <EasterSunshine> time to hit mad sed
[07:03] <robotgeek> zaudragon: it's evil i tell u, give in to the ubuntu goodness
[07:03] <zaudragon> delire: hehe
[07:03] <delire> redguy: yeah i see that konqueror also has scp:// !
[07:03] <asfra> gozirra: ok, works like a charm?
[07:03] <EasterSunshine> man sed*
[07:03] <requiem_> ompaul, I don't like clicking once, and firefox opening twice
[07:03] <redguy> s/inutilus/nautilus
[07:03] <yanis> when the new version of ubuntu will be releasesd?
[07:03] <zaudragon> robotgeek: I rather have Mac OS X than not have Airport Extreme, sorry..
[07:03] <EasterSunshine> !release
[07:03] <ubotu> A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[07:03] <ompaul> requiem_, so click once
[07:03] <godzirra> asfra: well, seeing as how I'm trying to figure out why its not working, I'm gonna go with no.
[07:04] <asfra> gozirra: lol
[07:04] <requiem_> ompaul, I am clicking once
[07:04] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html
[07:04] <robotgeek> zaudragon: ahh...i use a Ralink Belkin Adapter
[07:04] <requiem_> and firefox is opening twice
[07:04] <asfra> gozirra: sorry :)
[07:04] <zaudragon> robotgeek: I see
[07:04] <zaudragon> well, time to try other things
[07:04] <redguy> delire: scp:// ? does it differ from fish:// ?
[07:04] <robotgeek> zaudragon: all the best with that
[07:05] <asfra> gozirra: should it be possible to windows based games under wine?
[07:05] <delire> redguy: yes, though i think the difference is semantic.
[07:05] <asfra> gozirra: should it be possible to run windows based games under wine?
[07:06] <delire> asfra: WoW works perfectly here. many other games do. for supporting a huge list of win32 games on linux you may want to look into http://transgaming.com with HOWTO's/forums at http://linux-gamers.net
[07:06] <Xenguy> asfra: http://frankscorner.org/
[07:07] <delire> Xenguy: good call
[07:07] <asfra> thank you both, I have been thinking about getting something like this...
[07:07] <godzirra> asfra: Yup.  At least some.  I used to play starcraft under wine a lot.
[07:07] <EasterSunshine> asfra: winex (aka cedega) is for emulating directx windows games
[07:08] <NanoBCN> hi people. I wanted to know if any of you could help me solving this: I'm getting problems when trying to burn data DVD
[07:08] <NanoBCN> it used to work
[07:08] <NanoBCN> but now it doesnt
[07:08] <NanoBCN> any of you into it?
[07:09] <reiki_work> a default Ubutu install sets up PostFix? (I'm at work on a XP box... not home on my Ubuntu box)
[07:09] <NoUse> NanoBCN perhaps you should be more specific
[07:10] <NanoBCN> NoUse, this error i'm getting is: WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=3h/ASC=0Ch/ACQ=80h] : Input/output error
[07:10] <mauricio> holas
[07:10] <NanoBCN> write failed: Input/output error
[07:10] <robotgeek> reiki_work: i think you would need to configure it
[07:10] <Xenguy> reiki_work: can you not ssh into your home box?
[07:11] <reiki_work> Xenguy: I didn't set up to ssh into it. I was just on lunch here and googling things for later setup when I get home. I should set up ssh though
[07:11] <Xenguy> reiki_work: that would be the easiest way to check anyway
[07:11] <srijith> nothing related to Ubuntu, but can anyone suggest a relatively secure open source php forum software?
[07:11] <Xenguy> reiki_work: yeah, definitely
[07:11] <delire> srijith: wordpress
[07:11] <reiki_work> Xenguy: when I get home would I ps aux |grep postfix to see if it's running? I seem to recall seeing it start at bootup
[07:11] <delire> srijith: apt-get install wordpress
[07:12] <robotgeek> srijith: phpbb2 is good i guess, wordpress is a blogging tool!
[07:12] <requiem_> does cedega exists on ubuntu ?
[07:12] <srijith> wordpress != forum, wp == blog software
[07:12] <srijith> thanks robotgeek
[07:12] <delire> srijith: fair enough.
[07:12] <EasterSunshine> will cedega bother me about system requirements?
[07:12] <Xenguy> reiki_work: I'd have to reboot to check here at work; hopefully someone else can tell you
[07:12] <robotgeek> srijith: np
[07:13] <delire> srijith: phpbb is ok.
[07:13] <reiki_work> Xenguy: but ps aux |grep postfix should tell me if it's started right? Then I'd just go look for like... /etc/postfix/postfix.conf or some such?
[07:13] <srijith> delire, phpbb != secure :) thansk anyway
[07:13] <EasterSunshine> requiem_: you can get it via cvs for free or pay for a stable, it is not in the repos because it is comemrcial software
[07:13] <delire> srijith: i haven't had any problems with phpbb2, but phpbb was a mess
[07:13] <twibbler> robotgeek: can I say thank yu as well... wordpress looks good ...
[07:13] <requiem_> EasterSunshine, sure, how do I install ?
[07:14] <requiem_> apt-get ?
[07:14] <izmaelis> I have accidently deleted /etc/init.d/gdm. How can I bring it back to life again?
[07:14] <Hoxzer> can I somehow see is my USB port working propelly?
[07:14] <mirak> hi
[07:14] <mirak> I have a clock problem with ubuntu
[07:14] <mirak> it's not synnchronised with the bios
[07:14] <EasterSunshine> requiem_: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45 <--wine cvs howto
[07:14] <godzirra> So anyone know anything wine?
[07:14] <robotgeek> izmaelis: sudo aptitude purge gdm && sudo aptitude install gdm
[07:15] <Xenguy> reiki_work: ordinarily that command works fine, but I just tried your command, but substituting 'exim' (which I know is running on my home box), and grep did not return anything...
[07:15] <Hoxzer> ok, now guys
[07:15] <adriyel> hmm
[07:15] <robotgeek> twibbler: i have been using wordpress for abt 9 months now, well supported, and *easy*
[07:15] <EasterSunshine> godzirra: what do you need to know
[07:15] <Hoxzer> can you guys tell how I can share USB port printer in samba?
[07:15] <adriyel> anyone here have problems with Ubuntu64?
[07:15] <EasterSunshine> godzirra: also, note that #winehq exists
[07:15] <reiki_work> Xenguy: ok thanks... I'll have to check out that part more closely when I get home
[07:15] <adriyel> or problems with Firefox crashing?
[07:15] <Xenguy> reiki_work: you could try instead -> dpkg -l postfix  <- to see if it is installed...
[07:16] <izmaelis> robotgeek, thnx alot
[07:16] <Hoxzer> ;/ fuck
[07:16] <Xenguy> reiki_work: if it is installed, then it should also be running
[07:16] <delire> Xenguy: exim will only run when needed, eg when you recieve mail
[07:16] <adriyel> I'm using Ubuntu64, firefox keeps crashing, I have to keep killing the process, any ideas?
[07:16] <reiki_work> Xenguy: ok... thanks. :)
[07:16] <Hoxzer> argh im pissed off... now
[07:16] <EasterSunshine> Hoxzer: language...
[07:16] <Hoxzer> I know
[07:16] <adriyel> I'll update it and see what happens
[07:16] <Hoxzer> but I want to go to sleep
[07:16] <Xenguy> delire: so how would reiki_work check to see if postfix is definitely running?
[07:16] <EasterSunshine> Hoxzer: i like how you included an accented a in aargh
[07:16] <Hoxzer> can't go cause can't share a printer
[07:16] <Hoxzer> cant print my work
[07:17] <adriyel> hmm
[07:17] <requiem_> well I've got the stable version
[07:18] <carajea1> anyone know how to make a icon for my desktop that will luanch something even if it has to cd to the directory first?
[07:18] <FunnyLookinHat> Are there plans to have the next ubuntu release support IBM T43 display adapters?  Intel 900.
[07:18] <emilio> alguien conoce un canal sobre matlab
[07:18] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, these kind of things?     etc?
[07:18] <delire> Xenguy: normally these daemons have 'status' options. i would look into that. i don't use postfix here however.
[07:18] <robotgeek> carajea1: give the full path to binary, like /usr/sbin/binary
[07:18] <EasterSunshine> ompaul: i am the only person i nthe world who does not know how to import those without kchar...
[07:19] <mirak> hi
[07:19] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, lt Gr
[07:19] <mirak> how to reset the time ?
[07:19] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, lt Gr + the character
[07:19] <mirak> the time shift
[07:19] <mirak> of the clock
[07:19] <carajea1> uh oh robot geek im a newb and have no idea what u are talking about
[07:19] <mirak> I have time drifting it's weird
[07:19] <EasterSunshine> ompaul: where is my alt gr button? is that my meta?
[07:19] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, u on a mac?
[07:19] <robotgeek> carajea1: when creating the shortcut, just browse to the file you want to execute
[07:20] <EasterSunshine> ompaul: no, but my keybaord is pretty damn old
[07:20] <delire> emilio: i don't know if there is a matlab channel, but if you feel me comfortable speaking in spanish i would /join #ubuntu-es
[07:20] <carajea1> oh ok
[07:20] <delire> s/me/more
[07:20] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, it is the alt key to the right of the space bar on this machine
[07:20] <EasterSunshine> ompaul: i don't appear to have a Gr button, unless i mistunderstood you
[07:20] <adriyel> hey, can anyone help me?
[07:20] <robotgeek> carajea1: not on ubuntu right now, so can't help right now
[07:20] <carajea1> but the execute has to be made opengl   example:  WoW.exe --opengl
[07:20] <robotgeek> delire: matlab?
[07:20] <carajea1> oh ok
[07:20] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, called AltGr
[07:20] <delire> robotgeek: emilio wrote in spanish above asking about a matlab channel.
[07:21] <sean__> wow this place never stops :)
[07:21] <no_dammagE> 24/7, 365/1 :)
[07:21] <sean__> hahah :) is a good thing
[07:21] <EasterSunshine> ompaul: holding onto alt and typing numbers changes the tab on my client...
[07:22] <delire> sean__: 523 users isn't bad (nearly as popular as #debian) ;)
[07:22] <adriyel> hey can anyone help me please??
[07:22] <delire> adriyel: just ask
[07:22] <robotgeek> delire: oh okay, i was wondering what matlab is doing in here. also reminds me that i need to get back to work :)
[07:22] <adriyel> I have delire, a few times, I've been ignored
[07:22] <sean__> yeah, this is insane, i didnt think ubuntu was this popular, but damn now i know :)
[07:22] <EasterSunshine> #debian is a freakshow
[07:22] <delire> robotgeek: hehe, i should too.
[07:22] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, not alt but the second alt key :) alt+a does nothing altgr+a does 
[07:22] <adriyel> ok, one last time
[07:22] <delire> adriyel: ask again.
[07:22] <SolidRaven> uh can somebody help me with ndiswrapper?
[07:22] <SolidRaven> please
[07:22] <robotgeek> SolidRaven: have u read the wiki?
[07:22] <SolidRaven> yes
[07:23] <EasterSunshine> ompaul: not for me...on koversation either alt+a sets me away
[07:23] <SolidRaven> but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper it returns an error
[07:23] <adriyel> I've got the 64bit version of Ubuntu running on an AMD 3500, both the stock 1.02, and the updated 1.06 versions of Firefox keep crashing, after a few moments of use
[07:23] <robotgeek> is your card supported?
[07:23] <delire> SolidRaven: it's annoying isn't it. i can't help here (don't run it) but many have got it to work fine in ubuntu.
[07:23] <SolidRaven> uh yes
[07:23] <adriyel> whats up? is it the 64bit kernel/libs fault, or firefox's? I've never had this problem before
[07:23] <ompaul> EasterSunshine, ahh now using xchat here on gnome, something to do with me liking ubuntu over kubuntu :)
[07:23] <SolidRaven> it even says the device is connected
[07:23] <delire> adriyel: strange, do you have any bookmarks etc you need to keep? we can try deleting the profile directory.
[07:23] <adriyel> no bookmarks needed to keep
[07:24] <adriyel> where would the profile be kept?
[07:24] <robotgeek> SolidRaven: hmm...try compiling for ndiswrapper sources. i setup my friends card yesterday in abt 2 minutes :)
[07:24] <delire> adriyel: can you 'ls -l ~/.firefox'
[07:24] <SolidRaven> robotgeek > i can't hardwire the comp to the router here
[07:24] <delire> adriyel: if there's nothing there try 'ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox'
[07:24] <adriyel> says it can't find it
[07:25] <adriyel> found it
[07:25] <adriyel> profiles.ini?
[07:25] <delire> adriyel: ok, 'rm -fr ~/.firefox'. be warned, themes and everything will be lost.
[07:25] <adriyel> np
[07:26] <delire> adriyel: now, did you install ff using the ubuntu repositories?
[07:26] <adriyel> yes
[07:26] <sean__> so this is way off topic, but any one know a good linux game for an anitque computer? gnibbles just aint cutting it :p
[07:26] <adriyel> synaptic
[07:26] <Jowi> delire: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:26] <robotgeek> SolidRaven: hardwire, as in connect to ethernet port?
[07:26] <robotgeek> sean__: nethack!
[07:26] <delire> adriyel: ok, 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozill-firefox'
[07:26] <adriyel> <--- note, I normally use Slackware/Gentoo, I'm not using to things being automagical and modified from the norm
[07:26] <delire> Jowi: ?
[07:26] <SolidRaven> robotgeek > i did this: open root terminal, login, ndiswrapper -i /home/bart/windows_drivers/SiS136u/WinXP/sis136u.inf then i did ndiswrapper -m and then i tried modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:26] <sean__> nethacK? sounds like fun to me :) thanks!
[07:26] <SolidRaven> and then my linux got stuck
[07:26] <spiral> hi
[07:26] <Jowi> delire: i suffer from a damaged brain today
[07:27] <delire> Jowi: hehe np.
[07:27] <shane> can someone open a gnumeric file for me on their pc and convert it to a csv or similar format?  I need it badly and would love someone to help
[07:27] <delire> Jowi: (i was like that yesterday)
[07:27] <Jowi> delire: which probably mean i didn't have enough coffee, haha
[07:27] <adriyel> hmm, apt-get vs. portage vs. swaret in my mind right now
[07:27] <shane> i just need help from someone for 25 seconds of their time to convert a gnumeric file
[07:27] <delire> adriyel: eek
[07:27] <adriyel> ok, its reinstalled, gonna do a stability test
[07:27] <sean__> you missed git :p
[07:27] <delire> adriyel: oks
[07:27] <mirak> is there a known bug with X firefox and 6600gt ?
[07:28] <delire> mirak: what architecture and ff version?
[07:28] <shane> please someone help me convert this gnumeric file for me?
[07:28] <eva> knows somebody why mplayer doesn't work
[07:28] <adriyel> delire: I fired it up, we'll see if it survives
[07:28] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[07:28] <robotgeek> SolidRaven: sorry, i dunno what's going wring, try looking into /var/log/messages and see if something weird is there
[07:28] <mirak> ubuntu X386 hoary
[07:28] <SolidRaven> should i try to use the hotplug system?
[07:28] <delire> adriyel: ok, make sure it's not a flash site that's playing up. some crash ff on all platforms.
[07:28] <mirak> I just bought a 6600gt with athlon 64
[07:28] <adriyel> nah, its a random timed crash man
[07:28] <SolidRaven> robotgeek > somebody said that might work
[07:28] <eva> knows somebody why mplayer doesn't work
[07:28] <delire> mirak: hmm adriyel has the same problem. ff 1.0.6?
[07:29] <mirak> delire: this always comes from firefox
[07:29] <adriyel> I start it up, homepage is gentoo, it'll work at first, then for no reason, it'll crash and require a proc kill
[07:29] <eva> i can't see any avi-s in ubuntu
[07:29] <mirak> and it happens to other windows after that
[07:29] <adriyel> I am starting to wonder if this has to do with the 64 bit versions....
[07:29] <delire> adriyel: you may have the same bug as mirak. this is valuable information.
[07:29] <SolidRaven> eva > installing the right codec might help ;)
[07:29] <Jowi> eva, have you installed correct codecs ?
[07:29] <adriyel> so, the bug is reproducible, under a 64bit environment
[07:30] <adriyel> is it worth noting that I have a 6800GT?
[07:30] <mirak> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050524 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2 MFSA2005-44)
[07:30] <eva> i have the codecs
[07:30] <robotgeek> SolidRaven: you should have tested to see if your card works correctly, and then ndiswrapper -m
[07:30] <adriyel> Athlon3500, 6800GT, Ubuntu64
[07:30] <eva> divx4linux
[07:30] <mirak> I must relog
[07:30] <Jowi> eva: try to change your -vo to SDL and see if that helps
[07:30] <mirak> and kill X
[07:30] <delire> adriyel: excellent, go and tell that to folk in #ubuntu-devel citing that 2 people in #ubuntu with the same arch and card have the same problem.
[07:30] <adriyel> hasn't crashed yet
[07:30] <SolidRaven> damnit, ext3 drivers for windows didn't load again :(
[07:30] <delire> mirak: stick around.
[07:30] <eva> i try
[07:30] <adriyel> oh thats freaky
[07:30] <delire> adriyel: hasn't crashed??
[07:30] <adriyel> not yet, no
[07:30] <adriyel> weird.
[07:31] <delire> adriyel: hmm.. were you using any extensions?
[07:31] <adriyel> nope
[07:31] <adriyel> all stock
[07:31] <adriyel> 100%
[07:31] <silentigger> where can i get plugin mp3?
[07:31] <adriyel> this is a fresh install, starting crashing for no apparent reason, it was working last night
[07:31] <can-o-worms> has anyone here had any problems with samba and osx, i have gentoo box that works fine... but ubuntu and osx don't get along, although i can access the samba share on ubuntu from windows
[07:31] <Jowi> eva: you can even try X11/Vesa if SDL fail. vo = video output sink.
[07:31] <adriyel> you gotta install gstreamer from the universal repositories silentigger
[07:31] <delire> adriyel: odd.  did you log out without closing FF last night?
[07:31] <adriyel> go to sources in synaptic, check all of them...not to my knowledge, no
[07:31] <silentigger> thakns adriyel
[07:32] <adriyel> np
[07:32] <adriyel> I had that problem too
[07:32] <adriyel> listening to an MP3 right now
[07:32] <silentigger> adriyel, and player dvd?
[07:32] <adriyel> by the time you've installed all the codecs you can find
[07:32] <requiem_> I have the non cvs cedega, and I want to install it in ubuntu
[07:32] <adriyel> which is what I did
[07:32] <requiem_> how do I do that ?
[07:32] <mirak> hi
[07:32] <mirak> I am back
[07:32] <adriyel> you should have dvd support...in theory, I haven't tested it
[07:32] <delire> mirak still have the firefox crash problem?
[07:32] <mirak> what did you say last ?
[07:32] <mirak> delire: I restarted X
[07:33] <mirak> delire: in fact firefox doesn't crash
[07:33] <delire> mirak: firefox still crashing?
[07:33] <delire> mirak: right, good.
[07:33] <silentigger> i user powerpc version
[07:33] <mirak> it dosn't crash, it propagates wrong display
[07:33] <adriyel> mine doesn't crash either
[07:33] <mirak> on all windows
[07:33] <delire> mirak: hmm, odd.
[07:33] <delire> mirak: a new one ;)
[07:33] <mirak> but it always come after a firefox manipulation
[07:33] <carajean> anyone know how to simply change my resolution it wont go any higher but in windows it does?? please its on a big resolution
[07:33] <adriyel> I might install the PPC version on my g/f's mac
[07:34] <adriyel> how well does the powerpc version run?
[07:34] <sean__> lol... my gf would kill me if i touched her mac :p
[07:34] <delire> adriyel: i installed Ubuntu on 10 eMacs. really improved their performance.
[07:34] <sean__> PPC version is good, i tried the live version, was good
[07:34] <EasterSunshine> emacs is a text editor?
[07:34] <silentigger> very nice
[07:34] <sean__> yes, emacs is a test ed
[07:34] <delire> EasterSunshine: hehe
[07:34] <eva> didn't work that vo to SDL thing
[07:35] <adriyel> delire, she has a powermac g3, with Mac OS 9
[07:35] <delire> right
[07:35] <sean__> test lol.. wow no more beer.. not even noon
[07:35] <EasterSunshine> mac made a thingie named after a text editor? lol
[07:35] <silentigger> iBook G4
[07:35] <adriyel> will this be an improvement, in terms of performance?
[07:35] <Jowi> eva: you can even try X11/Vesa if SDL fail.
[07:35] <EasterSunshine> mac will have viMacs next
[07:35] <Jowi> eva: do you get any error messages or is the screen just black?
[07:35] <delire> adriyel: quite likely. it worked well on these eMacs. especially in 3D and video applications.
[07:35] <adriyel> delire, firefox is stable, it hasn't crashed, thanks for the help
[07:35] <delire> adriyel: anytime
[07:35] <eva> blank
[07:35] <adriyel> I'll probably burn the install and the dvd
[07:36] <fab_> hi
[07:36] <carajean> no resolutions solutions people :)
[07:36] <adriyel> erm
[07:36] <adriyel> not the dvd
[07:36] <adriyel> the live
[07:36] <eva> black
[07:36] <adriyel> I'll run the live, see how they like it
[07:36] <EasterSunshine> what's in the hizzle, fab_ ?
[07:36] <adriyel> then, figure out how to dual boot the beast
[07:36] <Jowi> eva: have you tried playing your avi with totem-xine? i preffer it to mplayer....
[07:37] <mirak> delire: I installed ubuntu on powermacs. X seems to take a bit to much ressources though
[07:37] <adriyel> <--- Mac n00b, the closest experience I have with Mac is some bsd tinkering
[07:37] <mirak> delire: do you have the nvidia drivers or nv driver ?
[07:37] <adriyel> X seems to take too much resources???!!! have you ran Mac OS X! :laughs:
[07:37] <whyameye> anybody know how to install JRE (Java Runtime Environment) on Firefox?
[07:37] <HappyFool> !java
[07:37] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:37] <adriyel> I run propietary nvidia drivers :)
[07:37] <mirak> adriyel: yes it's worse
[07:37] <eva> nope
[07:37] <sean__> i love that bot
[07:38] <adriyel> hold on, you mean to tell me that X11 is worse than OS X?
[07:38] <EasterSunshine> !botsnack
[07:38] <ubotu> thanks eastersunshine :)
[07:38] <delire> mirak: i use an ATI card on my machines
[07:38] <adriyel> bullshit, I've run OS X and X11 on this Athlon64 and X11 pwns it
[07:38] <eva> how to install it , can you give me exact instructions
[07:38] <mirak> delire: with firefox bug ?
[07:38] <mirak> delire: what happens for you ?
[07:38] <sean__> hahah, OX x86?
[07:38] <adriyel> I dun think it has to do with graphics
[07:38] <Jowi> eva: in a terminal: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[07:38] <sean__> err OS x86?
[07:38] <adriyel> sean, yes, I've installed OS x86
[07:39] <adriyel> theres no drivers
[07:39] <adriyel> nothing works
[07:39] <sean__> haha nice :) whats it like?
[07:39] <adriyel> and it lags
[07:39] <delire> mirak: it wasn't me that has a ff bug with nvidia/amd64 hardware, it was adriyel
[07:39] <eva> tnx
[07:39] <adriyel> it needs polishing
[07:39] <mirak> sean__: I will try it since I got a brand new athlon 64 venice with sse3
[07:39] <adriyel> I'd say it has potential
[07:39] <adriyel> Athlon64 3500 Venice here <---
[07:39] <sean__> aww, well its a nice concept :)
[07:39] <adriyel> trust me man
[07:39] <adriyel> once they get their drivers together
[07:39] <mirak> adriyel: I got a 3000
[07:39] <adriyel> and optimize the thing, it'll be nice
[07:39] <mirak> adriyel: what is ou graphic card ?
[07:39] <delire> mirak: OSX is terribly slow in my experience.
[07:39] <mirak> your
[07:39] <adriyel> my Venice has been overclocked to a HTT/FSB of 300mhz...lol
[07:39] <adriyel> 6800GT gfx card
[07:39] <mirak> delire: I remember hearing that
[07:40] <adriyel> Venice @ core of 2.7/300
[07:40] <sean__> cool cool :) i run a mac too, like the idea of  never having to buy another lol
[07:40] <fab_> what multi-protocol instant messenger do you guys use?
[07:40] <mirak> delire: how can it be slower than on a G4 350 mhz ?
[07:40] <adriyel> I've never bought a Mac, I've just made a habit of breaking them
[07:40] <adriyel> fab - gaim
[07:40] <mirak> delire: I guess what slows down is only graphic card
[07:40] <zukalk> fab_, Gaim
[07:40] <silentigger> G4 1.2 Ghz
[07:40] <mirak> adriyel: I have never bought one either
[07:40] <delire> mirak: no, it's a poorly designed OS
[07:40] <sean__> lol, i do alot of desktop publishing, need mac for it :(
[07:40] <mirak> adriyel: my neibourgh gave them to me
[07:40] <adriyel> nice deal
[07:40] <fab_> so, gaim seems to be pretty popular :D
[07:40] <delire> mirak: OSX has very poor memory management..
[07:40] <fab_> ok, thx guys
[07:40] <sean__> lol, i hate gaim :p
[07:41] <zukalk> sean__, what do you use then?
[07:41] <adriyel> the only mac I'd ever want is an ibook, and that would be after they release an intel version, even though I hate intel :|
[07:41] <mirak> delire: it's down to darwin
[07:41] <mirak> bound
[07:41] <sean__> aMSN for the msn network
[07:41] <silentigger> after runing MacOS X tiger
[07:41] <fab_> sean: what are you using?
[07:41] <adriyel> well, the reason Mac OS x86 doesn't have drivers, is because the x86 version of Darwin has been paid almost no attention to
[07:41] <sean__> aMSN (alit pawns game for MSN..
[07:41] <mirak> delire: there things that linux is bad at. for exemple mounting isos as a user. you can't do that on linux
[07:41] <adriyel> wtf? you ever heard of automount?
[07:41] <sean__> (alit = Al's Messenger
[07:42] <delire> mirak: you can mount iso's
[07:42] <deFrysk> mirak, nonsense
[07:42] <delire> mirak: using loopback
[07:42] <adriyel> you can mount iso's as a user
[07:42] <mirak> deFrysk: well not from gnome
[07:42] <fab_> sean: I see
[07:42] <mirak> if we can it's fine
[07:42] <adriyel> I use gnome...
[07:42] <mirak> and I want to know how
[07:42] <fab_> k, thx
[07:42] <adriyel> and fluxbox
[07:42] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[07:42] <HappyFool> is there a way to do the 'default' action from the command-line in gnome, ala windows 'start' ?
[07:42] <mihai> how can i set a root password?
[07:42] <adriyel> passwd root
[07:43] <deFrysk> ! root
[07:43] <adriyel> sudo passwd root
[07:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:43] <adriyel> sorry
[07:43] <adriyel> rumor has it, you don't need root
[07:43] <HappyFool> i think 'sudo passwd' might do it too
[07:43] <adriyel> its called SUDO
[07:43] <james> which emulator would I use if I want to run Microsoft Office?
[07:43] <sean__> Wine
[07:43] <mirak> deFrysk: how do you do that ?
[07:43] <silentigger> Robinho_Peixoto, are you from?
[07:43] <EnsignRedshirt> Hardware gurus:  For the past few days, whenever I boot up, my disk drive makes a steady whining/grinding/moaning noise.  Eventually it stops.  It still seem to be working.  How much longer do you think it will last?
[07:43] <sean__> and Wine is not an emulator :p
[07:43] <adriyel> james, use crossover office
[07:44] <adriyel> lol @ sean, stupid recursiveness
[07:44] <silentigger> Robinho_Peixoto, are you from?
[07:44] <Robinho_Peixoto> slicslak, Brasil
[07:44] <mirak> adriyel: how do you mount an iso as a user ?
[07:44] <sean__> ahhah :p
[07:44] <Robinho_Peixoto> silentigger, why ?
[07:44] <james> where would I acquire crossover office?
[07:44] <adriyel> I changed permissions, why?
[07:44] <adriyel> or, you could use automount...
[07:44] <tomjmalone> sorry i'm new to ubuntu where is the best place to talk bugs on the brezzy distro and installer
[07:44] <adriyel> james, bit torrent
[07:44] <silentigger> Robinho_Peixoto, I'm from Brazil
[07:44] <eva> it works now but there is no sound
[07:45] <james> I'm sorry what is bit torrent?
[07:45] <deFrysk> james, use google
[07:45] <james> k
[07:45] <sean__> bit torrent is a way to share files
[07:45] <delire> mirak: don't you mean something like (from memory) 'mount /tmp/myIso /mnt -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop user'
[07:45] <james> where would I get wine? do I download it?
[07:45] <adriyel> heh, sean, you put that delicately
[07:46] <deFrysk> ! wine
[07:46] <mihai> wow, nice gnome graphics :) (my first time install)
[07:46] <sean__> to loop an iso?
[07:46] <sean__> lol, you have to put that delicately :p
[07:46] <mihai> so ubuntu is all i386, right ? no optimized binaries
[07:46] <mihai> ?
[07:46] <sean__> x86, amd64, and ppc
[07:47] <adriyel> optimized is relative, and you don't necessarily need an mtune or march to optimize something
[07:47] <tomjmalone> i think he means like i586 i686 etc
[07:47] <adriyel> nah, its i386 man
[07:47] <mihai> :(
[07:47] <deFrysk> mihai, optimised kernels are available
[07:47] <sean__> oh.. pfft... im still in the i386 days lol.. i wish i could ask about my 586 :p
[07:47] <mirak> delire: for exemple yes, and whitout having an fstab entry
[07:47] <Juhaz> most of the i386 distros have been compiled with those i586 optimizations that don't break compability
[07:47] <mihai> who the hell has a 386 anyway, you could've made it at least i586
[07:47] <mihai> oh
[07:48] <adriyel> if you want optimized, get a source distro like gentoo, Ubuntu is a mainstream, not a performance distro
[07:48] <james> how do I know if I am using Linux RPM or Linux deb?
[07:48] <sean__> mihai, i do.. sooo pfft!
[07:48] <adriyel> mihai, they are optimized
[07:48] <adriyel> they are tuned for 686
[07:48] <NoUse> !wine
[07:48] <delire> mihai: well you don't need an /etc/fstab entry to mount iso's
[07:48] <adriyel> just not compiled exclusively for 386
[07:48] <delire> mihai: sorry..
[07:48] <mihai> i just removed gentoo, i loved it, but i didn't have enough space for it
[07:48] <delire> mirak: well you don't need an /etc/fstab entry to mount iso's
[07:48] <adriyel> don't sweat it man, Ubuntu is faster than most distro's
[07:48] <mirak> mihai: get a A64 there is a 64 bit version
[07:48] <adriyel> I run 64bit Ubuntu, its nice, I promise
[07:49] <mihai> i will install it in a chroot inside gentoo, i promise :0
[07:49] <adriyel> seriously, I'm really not CPU limited on much of anything anymore
[07:49] <sean__> how peppy is the 64 bit version?
[07:49] <adriyel> its pretty damn peppy
[07:49] <delire> sean__: i hear it rocks
[07:49] <adriyel> stuff that normally sat on the CPU, just kinda zips through
[07:49] <adriyel> especially math heavy stuff
[07:49] <sean__> *sniff* ok time to upragade lol
[07:49] <adriyel> the encode/decode times are NICE
[07:49] <fab_> cool :D
[07:49] <adriyel> I am in love with audio/video on this thing
[07:50] <adriyel> I could turn this thing into an audio studio...
[07:50] <sean__> damn, I can imagine, 64 bit computing for the end user, should just blow the socks offa anything im used to
[07:50] <mirak> adriyel: is java working ?
[07:50] <fab_> you can run this with a PIV 2,5Ghz?
[07:50] <adriyel> the 64bit version?
[07:50] <fab_> yea
[07:50] <adriyel> no, to run 64bit you need an athlon64 or an intel with EMT64
[07:50] <whyameye> anybody know anything about USB-->serial conversion with ubuntu?
[07:51] <adriyel> typically a Xeon, or that other lineup
[07:51] <fab_> I though so :(
[07:51] <adriyel> *shrugs* it said 64 after all :P
[07:51] <fab_> so no upgrade for me ^^
[07:51] <eva> it works but rheres no sound
[07:51] <adriyel> get a dual core athlon64 machine
[07:51] <adriyel> that would be a DREAM
[07:51] <sean__> eww @ the thought of xeon
[07:51] <ninnghizidha> anybody knows about squashFS in Ubuntu?
[07:51] <fab_> adriyel: :D
[07:51] <mihai> does anybody know of a possible combination to have ddr2 memory on athlon64 ?
[07:51] <adriyel> I don't like intel, so xeon's make me lurch
[07:51] <sean__> yeah, amd is where its at :)
[07:51] <adriyel> mihai, doesn't gigabyte have a converter
[07:52] <mihai> adriyel: no idea, what kind of a converter?
[07:52] <ndlovu> I'm reinstalling ubuntu after my filesystem got trashed. any recommendations on partitioning?
[07:52] <ndlovu> is it a good idea to separate /home from /etc and all the rest?
[07:52] <ninnghizidha> I'd seperate /, /home and /boot
[07:53] <Robinho_Peixoto> silentigger, where the place of brazil
[07:53] <mirak> adriyel: that's 500 euros
[07:53] <adriyel> I dunno, just heard a rumor that gigabyte had a special mobo
[07:53] <adriyel> yeah, I suspected so
[07:53] <ninnghizidha> but .. if it is a file/webserver, i'd seperate /var too.
[07:53] <mihai> adriyel: ok i'll google or something
[07:53] <mirak> I can't insatll this module nvidia-glx
[07:53] <sean__> I seperate /usr too
[07:53] <adriyel> FUCK
[07:53] <adriyel> delire
[07:53] <liquidfire> mirak,
[07:53] <adriyel> Firefox crashed again Delire
[07:53] <liquidfire> is that the driver/binary for your nvidia card?
[07:53] <liquidfire> Because it didn't worked here either
[07:53] <ndlovu> how much space for each?
[07:54] <mirak> adriyel: what happens exactly ?
[07:54] <liquidfire> I used a different guide
[07:54] <fab_> adriyel: that's weird
[07:54] <adriyel> meh, it randomly crashes
[07:54] <mirak> liquidfire: yes
[07:54] <adriyel> it was doing this earlier
[07:54] <liquidfire> I'll give you the guide
[07:54] <mirak> liquidfire: do you haev the url ?
[07:54] <liquidfire> You need to compile it yourself
[07:54] <sean__> check about:config for any malformed strings?
[07:54] <mirak> ok
[07:54] <fab_> adriyel: I have never seen FireFox crashing
[07:54] <delire> adriyel: i would definitely ask politely in #ubuntu-devel. mirak also has as related problem and has the same hardware and ff version.d
[07:54] <mirak> liquidfire: no !
[07:54] <mirak> aarghhh
[07:54] <liquidfire> :?
[07:54] <Pr1sm> Hi, I have an external creative sound blaster soundcard, however creative have not published a linux driver for it, Is it possible to install this hardware, And disable the onboard sound
[07:55] <mirak> delire: I am not on ubuntu 64
[07:55] <liquidfire> Pr1sm, it should be detected
[07:55] <liquidfire> automaticily
[07:55] <delire> adriyel: if it was just sitting there and suddenly crashed then report it.
[07:55] <liquidfire> type salsamixer in terminal
[07:55] <adriyel> delire, yes
[07:55] <delire> mirak: oh, i thought you said you were on amd64
[07:55] <mihai> is ubuntu the fastest binary distro ?
[07:55] <liquidfire> mirak, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/nvidiamanual
[07:55] <mirak> liquidfire: I think I must remove my ATI driver
[07:55] <liquidfire> hmm ?
[07:56] <sean__> mihai,   I wouldnt say the fastest, but definatly the best
[07:56] <liquidfire> remove it via the syntapic manager
[07:56] <liquidfire> :)
[07:56] <fab_> mirak: you've got a RADEON?
[07:56] <delire> mirak: hehe that will be it.
[07:56] <liquidfire> could someone give me the command to reconfigure x-server ?
[07:56] <Pr1sm> what if it doesnt detect it automaticaaly
[07:56] <adriyel> delire; devel was useless
[07:56] <delire> mirak: you've swapped cards on that machine?
[07:56] <mirak> fab_: I had a radeon
[07:56] <adriyel> they are trying tor redirect me to here
[07:56] <fab_> prlsm: It does
[07:56] <delire> adriyel: shame..
[07:56] <Jowi> mihai: i find slackware to be faster in general. but nothing beats ubuntu in features.
[07:56] <mirak> delire: I swapped CPU mother board and video card
[07:57] <adriyel> sigh...
[07:57] <delire> adriyel: start ff from the terminal and look for output.
[07:57] <fab_> prlsm: I got a soundblaster too and it works fine for me
[07:57] <liquidfire> same here
[07:57] <liquidfire> could someone give me the command to reconfigure x-server ?
[07:57] <Pr1sm> its not doing
[07:57] <mirak> it installed fine
[07:57] <nate_> Okay, Java isn't in the extra respitories http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:57] <HappyFool> liquidfire: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:57] <Pr1sm> its a sound blaster mp3+ and connects via USB
[07:57] <liquidfire> thanks HappyFool
[07:57] <liquidfire> you helped me again ;)
[07:57] <delire> mirak: 'dpkg -l | grep fglrx' and then dpkg -P the fglrx package
[07:57] <HappyFool> liquidfire: np ;)
[07:57] <nate_> I edited sources file, and still can't find it, but all other repos are there.
[07:57] <HappyFool> nate_: have you read the java page on the wiki?
[07:58] <mihai> shit i have only 2-3 apps open in gnome + this irssi and it takes 250 f*** mbytes!
[07:58] <mihai> from ram
[07:58] <adriyel> delire: I told them it sounded like the "not my job" syndrome, and that I get that enough at work
[07:58] <nate_> Yes, I have.
[07:58] <adriyel> I also told them, with honesty, that I'll just switch to Gentoo
[07:58] <nate_> It's saying it can't find it on E: or something like that.
[07:58] <mirak> delire I used aptitude remove
[07:58] <adriyel> their dev support is actually existent
[07:58] <nate_> But all other extra repos work =\
[07:58] <HappyFool> nate_: no, 'E:' means error, not e-drive ;)
[07:58] <HappyFool> !tell nate_ about hoary-extras
[07:59] <HappyFool> that should give you info about adding hoary-extras
[07:59] <sean__> !tell sean__ hoary-extras
[07:59] <Sartas> hey! the mp3 checker "mp3check" how do i make it delete all bad files?
[07:59] <mirak> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[07:59] <mirak> sorry
[07:59] <mirak> wrong window
[07:59] <Sartas> anyone knows?
[07:59] <liquidfire> is it wise to install nforce drivers ?
[08:00] <liquidfire> I don't use the onboard sound
[08:00] <nate_> What I'm not getting is all I've had to do before is edit the text file, then run apt-get install sun-jre1.5
[08:00] <delire> adriyel: hmm shame. start firefox with 'firefox -g' for a gdb stacktrace. report the crash to the firefox fox. it will be appreciated to many,
[08:00] <Pr1sm> the ubuntu compatible hardware database says it is compatible, but it is not auto detecting it, Is there something I can do
[08:00] <nate_> and I NEVER had this problem.
[08:00] <HappyFool> nate_: are you sure you added the hoary-extras repo correctly?
[08:00] <Sartas> hey! the mp3 checker "mp3check" how do i make it delete all bad files?
[08:00] <delire> nate_: it'll be a repo problem i'd say.
[08:00] <HappyFool> nate_: i think planetmirror  mirror might be down
[08:00] <nate_> Yes, I am, I've tried restoring it, and am still having the problem.
[08:00] <fab_> delire, when you install the ati driver with those commands, you don't have to make a new kernel?
[08:01] <adriyel> it crashed again
[08:01] <adriyel> I'll try it with a gdb trace
[08:01] <nate_> Okay, so just wait a day or so and try again?
[08:01] <Sartas> when is mono gonna be released for amd64??
[08:01] <HappyFool> nate_: if you put your /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin, we can tell you if it looks right
[08:01] <delire> fab_: ? perhaps the wrong nick?
[08:01] <adriyel> thanks for your help so far delire
[08:01] <nate_> Do you want me to just paste it in chat?
[08:01] <HappyFool> nate_: no, the pastebin
[08:01] <delire> adriyel: np
[08:01] <HappyFool> !pastebin
[08:01] <adriyel> apparently it is a "noted" but not "filed" problem with amd64
[08:01] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:02] <adriyel> I am talking to one of the devs now
[08:02] <delire> interesting
[08:02] <nate_> The paste bin?
[08:02] <HappyFool> yip, paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:03] <Jowi> nate_: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:03] <Sartas> adriyel: do they have a date to relaese it?
[08:03] <nate_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1558
[08:03] <adriyel> date to release what?
[08:03] <liquidfire> Is it wise to install nforce drivers ?
[08:03] <Sartas> mono
[08:03] <sean__> adriyel, lol, wow those dev's were cranky today :p
[08:03] <adriyel> I noticed Sean
[08:03] <mike_> 'list
[08:03] <fab_> delire: you wrote about flgrx, haven't you?
[08:03] <adriyel> made me want to revert to gentoo's forums/dev channels...
[08:03] <mike_> #list
[08:03] <sean__> i dont like gentoo
[08:04] <adriyel> I don't like installing Gentoo, but I enjoy Gentoo itself
[08:04] <HappyFool> nate_: hmm. looks ok at first glance
[08:04] <delire> fab_ yes, but about removing the driver, not installing it.
[08:04] <nate_> Yeah, I made sure, edited it back to original over 3 times.
[08:04] <Sartas> why cant RythmBox import 40gb music w/o freeze? isnt linux supposed to be more stable?
[08:05] <sean__> i dont know, if i was ever to kill my ubunutu <never gonna happen> id probably do slackware again
[08:05] <popey> Sartas: you try reading 40GB of files without feeling a bit busy :D
[08:05] <sean__> i find slack to be much more pacey.
[08:06] <Sartas> popey: i havent got 256 ram and 2gHz installed in my brain :S
[08:06] <delire> fab_ i have several machines with the ATI card but i use the 'ati way' to install the fglrx driver. this is not reccommended here
[08:06] <popey> :)
[08:06] <mihai> adriyel: it seems that mobo u were talking about is for intel cpu's
[08:06] <Sartas> seriously: what's wrong?
[08:06] <mihai> so nobody knows if you can get ddr2+amd64 ?
[08:06] <Sartas> it shows some bad files, is that the problem?
[08:06] <sean__> Is there a published list of all the ubuntu channels?
[08:07] <phreakys_> hi
[08:07] <adriyel> mihai, shit
[08:07] <adriyel> nevermind then, wait for socket M2
[08:08] <Sartas> ...
[08:08] <phreakys_> i got problems running g++ while its allready there :(
[08:08] <Sartas> please help me
[08:08] <phreakys_> phreakys@3k2:/usr/bin$ dir g++
[08:08] <phreakys_> g++
[08:08] <phreakys_> phreakys@3k2:/usr/bin$ g++
[08:08] <phreakys_> bash: g++: command not found
[08:08] <phreakys_> phreakys@3k2:/usr/bin$
[08:08] <adriyel> alright, I am leaving guys, I'll see you later
[08:08] <Sartas> a computer without music is unusuable
[08:08] <phreakys_> ow come? :/
[08:08] <godzirra> Can anyone help me get wine and winetools installed?  everytime I try and install I get this error:  wine: Depends: libwine (= 0.0.20050310-1.1) but 0.0.20050419-1~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[08:08] <delire> fab_: it's best to use the ubuntu binary driver howto wiki to install the fglrx driver.
[08:08] <mihai> so the question is... can i have a 64bit cpu + ddr2 memory ?
[08:08] <phreakys_> apt-get install wine
[08:08] <phreakys_> godzirra?
[08:08] <delire> godzirra: something is wrong with your sources.list.
[08:09] <phreakys_> apt-cache search wine
[08:09] <phreakys_> check if its in the list
[08:09] <godzirra> the only editing of my souces.lists I did was is where it says to uncomment tghe following two lines for unsupported stuff.
[08:09] <godzirra> and I just did apt-get update
[08:09] <phreakys_> maybe you need to adjust your sources.lst
[08:09] <godzirra> phreakys_: yeah, tons of stuff is in the list, but yes, wine is one of them.  so is winetools
[08:09] <phreakys_> ah ok
[08:10] <Sartas> please, i need help. RythmBox wont import my music collection. it shows some bad files, is this the problem? ive tried the app mp3checker, but it wont check my files, it just shows 0 problems, 0 checked..
[08:10] <nate_> So could it just be a down server?
[08:10] <HappyFool> nate_: hmm. looks like the hoary-extras repos are empty (?)
[08:10] <Sartas> and my music collection is 40gb
[08:10] <Sartas> please help me..
[08:10] <nate_> what does that mean?
[08:10] <godzirra> delire: whatcould be wrong with my souces.list and how can I fix it?
[08:10] <godzirra> and why the heck can't I type sources
[08:10] <HappyFool> nate_: i'm not sure what the problem is
[08:10] <godzirra> :po
[08:10] <jepeltw> Hello all. I'm installing Ubuntu and it's on the second part of the installation (after the reboot) but it got a read error on the CD. How can I make it retry?
[08:10] <delire> godzirra: hehe
[08:10] <sean__> Sartas, two words... Beep XMMS
[08:11] <godzirra> So how do I fix this bad library problems?
[08:11] <Sartas> sean__: .. im more into a itunes like app
[08:11] <sean__> lol really? i hate it, and ive got 80gb in music
[08:11] <delire> godzirra: your problem is in those 'unsupported' repo's you uncommented. they have messed up the dependencies for some packages.
[08:12] <delire> godzirra: comment them out again and apt-get update. wine should install fine.
[08:12] <nate_> So should I just wait a couple days and try it again? Like I said the other repos worked, maybe its just the server down?
[08:12] <Sartas> sean__ but how do i make it then?
[08:13] <sean__> Sartas: beep + xmms are on synaptic, as for rythmbox, idk, I stripped it out the minute i saw it
[08:13] <HappyFool> nate_: could be, i'm not sure
[08:13] <Sartas> sean__ what is beep??
[08:13] <dalamar> just installed gcc4, its not in my path, what gives?
[08:14] <nate_> Okay, thanks for your time.
[08:14] <delire> dalamar: gcc is. 'ls -l /usr/bin/gcc'
[08:14] <somedude_> can someone recomend a network / ip logger ??
[08:14] <somedude_> easy setup
[08:14] <sean__> beep is like XMMS
[08:14] <delire> dalamar: gcc is a symlink
[08:14] <sean__> excpet gtk2, unlike xmms
[08:14] <delire> dalamar: sorry, /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink
[08:15] <Sartas> sean__ : but i said i wanted a app like iTunes. xmms doesnt handle libraries that good..
[08:15] <mihai> so is the .deb from debian 100% compatible with ubuntu ?
[08:15] <dalamar> delire, its not there
[08:15] <dalamar> gcc-4.0
[08:15] <delire> Sartas: most say amarok is the closest to itunes, and in many ways much better.
[08:15] <sean__> yeah
[08:15] <delire> dalamar: what's not there?
[08:15] <HappyFool> dalamar: try 'dpkg -L gcc4' (or whatever the package is called)
[08:16] <somedude_> mihai, i wouldnt mind knowing that too
[08:16] <Sartas> delire: but it doesnt look as simple as rythmbox ^^'
[08:16] <HappyFool> mihai: apparently not -- though i've never tried
[08:16] <dalamar> okay I see its under gcc-4.0 for some reason, can I rename this to gcc woth no hiccups since obviously a 'mak' is not going to see it as is
[08:16] <Sartas> all i want is to make RythmBox work
[08:16] <delire> dalamar: if you installed it it should be in /usr/bin/
[08:16] <sean__> Sartas, yeah, that never even crossed my mind try out amarok
[08:16] <wondering_jew> i have a stupid newbie question :) I created a user name and password so my roomates could access my computer on the network and it worked just fine but now we cant remember what they are....
[08:16] <Sartas> ive tried it
[08:16] <Sartas> it looks awful
[08:16] <HappyFool> dalamar: try 'make CC=gcc-4.0' ? (i think that's one way)
[08:17] <dalamar> HappyFool, I'll give it a try
[08:17] <delire> dalamar: again, /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink. you can always rm /usr/bin/gcc and make a new symlink or yes, set a compile flag CC=gcc-4.0
[08:17] <dalamar> lol I have no 'gcc' I just said that, just the gcc-4.0
[08:17] <Sartas> ...
[08:17] <dalamar> anyways
[08:17] <HappyFool> wondering_jew: System -> Administration -> users and groups
[08:17] <delire> dalamar: very weird
[08:18] <HappyFool> wondering_jew: you'll probably have to reset the password -- i don't think you can find it out
[08:18] <liquidfire> Wow, this blows :o
[08:18] <liquidfire> I tried to update my nvidia drivers
[08:18] <liquidfire> under breezy
[08:18] <liquidfire> Now i can't start X anymore
[08:18] <liquidfire> =/
[08:19] <dalamar> HappyFool, that worked, can I just add another link from gcc-4.0 to gcc to prevent from having to do the CC=gcc=4.0 bit?
[08:19] <wondering_jew> im talking about the samba password
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> 'windows answer' = reformat, reinstall.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:19] <liquidfire> lol Dr_Willis
[08:19] <HappyFool> dalamar: i'm not sure; i don't see why not
[08:19] <dalamar> HappyFool, k thanks much
[08:19] <liquidfire> no i compiled my driver with the wrong gcc i think
[08:19] <liquidfire> it said 3.3 was used
[08:19] <liquidfire> but i used 4.0
[08:19] <delire> dalamar: i 'ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 /usr/bin/gcc'
[08:19] <whistlingtony> Hi all, anyone decent with wireless in Linux? I can't ping from wireless card to wireless card. I have the right module, essid, IPaddy's are manually set..... can't ping.
[08:20] <sean__> am i going to get funny looks if im ordering 30-40 ubntu cds to drop around town
[08:20] <dalamar> delire, I know, but thanks ;)
[08:20] <HappyFool> sean__: probably depends if the people you give them to are expecting them or not
[08:20] <Greg> If I want to create a windows/ubuntu dual boot, Am i best installing windows or ubuntu first for grub to be setp up correctly or does it not matter
[08:20] <liquidfire> first windows
[08:20] <puff> Anybody have opinions about afterstep?
[08:20] <liquidfire> then ubuntu
[08:20] <whistlingtony> Greg, set up windows first
[08:20] <wnorrix> how do i share a printer with my windows computers
[08:20] <wnorrix> i know i have to use samaba
[08:20] <Greg> ok thankyou
[08:20] <puff> Just curious, because I heard so much cool stuff about NextStep, waybackwhen.
[08:20] <delire> dalamar: hehe ok
[08:21] <wnorrix> but for some reason it does not share it
[08:21] <Greg> so windows on the primary partition and then ubuntu on the secondary
[08:21] <whistlingtony> Greg, that'll work, and should give you no problems
[08:21] <sean__> yeah, alot of my buddies own computer stores, they want copies to give to customers and what not
[08:21] <Greg> ty
[08:21] <whistlingtony> Yup
[08:21] <liquidfire> can somebody look for me what the right gcc 3.3 filename is ?
[08:21] <liquidfire> so i can use apt-get to update
[08:21] <Merovingian> I want to bridge my lan... my gateway machine has two NICs, and a modem... how do I set up Internet connection sharing and also bridge the two NICs?
[08:21] <liquidfire> because apt-cache gives me a huge list
[08:22] <HappyFool> liquidfire: on my system, /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 belongs to the gcc-3.3 package
[08:22] <liquidfire> k
[08:22] <liquidfire> i am using breezy
[08:22] <whistlingtony> Merovingian, you want to look up NAT using iptables... it's a bit complex to say over IRC.... bridging should be easy though
[08:22] <liquidfire> had some compiling errors
[08:22] <liquidfire> =
[08:22] <liquidfire> =/
[08:22] <chrismy> lendercoders
[08:23] <sartas> GRR!!:: Just because i have a 800x600 i cant configure Amarok. i cant select okay, because i dont see it!
[08:23] <Jowi> Merovingian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm. covers all you need to know regarding basic and advanced networking.
[08:23] <suemor2> HELP please I have an IBM R50e Laptop for work I have installed Ubuntu Hoary but I need access to the internal modem when at work eth0 works fine at home.  How do I configure it nothing seems to work?
[08:23] <kemik> Merovingian:  what do you mean with "bridge the two NICs"?
[08:23] <sartas> the whole window is filling up my screen!!
[08:23] <sartas> what to do!
[08:24] <sartas> what to do!
[08:24] <sartas> i need to configure it!
[08:24] <kemik> Merovingian:  http://qtables.radom.org/ <- it'll generate a bashscript that sets up your iptable-rules. its nice & simple
[08:24] <chrismy> anyone can teach me the easiest way to compile from source for my 64bit ubuntu?
[08:24] <Jowi> sartas: if you hold down ALT+leftmouse you should be able to move the window
[08:24] <Vash> hey, I'm having issues with the nvidia driver installer
[08:24] <sartas> please help!
[08:24] <sartas> okay!
[08:24] <sartas> yay!
[08:25] <Merovingian> kemik, I need all three nodes to be able to access each other
[08:25] <Vash> the installer complains about not being able to find nvidia.ko module
[08:25] <somedude_> ok atleast ive tried.. this i did: sudo aptitude search log and browsed through the results - didnt find anything to my liking, i want a network logger.. if someone tries to connect to port yadda i want it to show up.. CAN SOMEONE HELP ME please! :)
[08:25] <sartas> Jowi: i can see the buttoms now. but not whats written. theres 3 of them. which one to click? could you check?
[08:25] <HappyFool> chrismy: install the 'build-essential' package. What do you want to compile?
[08:25] <Merovingian> kemik, thanx ;-)
[08:25] <sartas> amarok, configure window
[08:25] <suemor2> HELP please I have an IBM R50e Laptop for work I have installed Ubuntu Hoary but I need access to the internal modem when at work eth0 works fine at home.  How do I configure it nothing seems to work?
[08:25] <puff> Hm... this guy (http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/tools/) says "The Ubuntu package "laptop-mode" is based on a very old version of the scripts that have since evolved into laptop-mode-tools.  I recommend using the Debian laptop-mode-tools package instead.
[08:26] <Jowi> sartas: sorry man. i have never used amarok.
[08:26] <chrismy> HappyFool, blender.
[08:26] <puff> I am loathe to start playing with debian packages on ubuntu, given that a) I'm just starting with ubuntu and b) #ubuntu folks have said that is not a wise thing to do.
[08:26] <puff> Is ubuntu's laptop_mode still out of date?
[08:26] <Merovingian> Jowi, thx ;)
[08:26] <mihai> i'm curious why did the ubuntu team chose gnome as the wm ?
[08:26] <Vash> anyone know anything about the nvidia drivers?
[08:26] <sartas> Jowi: lets just randomly click them all xD
[08:26] <chrismy> HappyFool, i was told i have to compile on my own if i want it on my 64bit ubuntu
[08:27] <kemik> Merovingian:  it could be that quicktables isnt advanced enough, but atleast you'll learn iptables from looking at the script generated ;)
[08:27] <Jowi> Merovingian: I know it is a looooong tutorial, but scroll abit down and that should cover directing/sharing internet with a computer that got two NICs. I seem to remember though that if you install firestarter, it will have a "share this connection" option available....
[08:27] <Vash> nvidia drivers... anyone...
[08:27] <HappyFool> chrismy: if you can't get it via apt-get, then compiling is a good option
[08:27] <HappyFool> Vash: are you following the wiki instructions?
[08:27] <rug> Howdy all
[08:27] <mihai> apt-get install fluxbox doesn't work, what repos do i have to enable ?
[08:27] <Jowi> sartas: good luck, hah
[08:28] <Vash> I'm just checking them out now... but I already tried instructions from the ubuntulinux forums
[08:28] <chrismy> HappyFool, yes apt-get gave me the old version :(. so will you guide me how to to compile?
[08:28] <Jowi> mihai: fluxbox is in universe
[08:28] <Jowi> !info fluxbox
[08:28] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[08:28] <HappyFool> chrismy: i can answer questions. Blender is quite a big app, compiling will no doubt be fairly complicated
[08:28] <chrismy> HappyFool, according to those in blender, they said some scripts might not be done so linux can't detect new versions
[08:29] <delire> HappyFool: it's fine.
[08:29] <sean__> why use FLuxbox???
[08:29] <HappyFool> Vash: check if the wiki instructions are waht you've done
[08:29] <whistlingtony> Wireless problems: ESSID is same, IP's manually set, correct modules, everything should work... Can't ping. Anyone know what I may be missing?
[08:29] <chrismy> HappyFool, oh thanks.....
[08:29] <mirak> when a programm usually in command line have a GUI, is the programm integrated in the gui, or does the gui just uses the binary ?
[08:29] <suemor2> HELP please I have an IBM R50e Laptop for work I have installed Ubuntu Hoary but I need access to the internal modem when at work eth0 works fine at home.  How do I configure it nothing seems to work?
[08:29] <delire> chrismy: try 'make scons' once the dependencies have been satisfied.
[08:29] <factorx> sean__, because it's lightweight and fast
[08:29] <chrismy> delire, erm in english would be?
[08:29] <sean__> so is XFCE
[08:29] <sean__> and its much better
[08:29] <Merovingian> Jowi, firestarter is only (at this wizard screen) allowing me to choose one ethernet device to share the connection on
[08:29] <delire> chrismy: 'make scons' to compile blender.
[08:29] <Bartimaeus> does anyone know how to install bittorent?
[08:29] <delire> chrismy: there are two prevailing build systems for blender.
[08:30] <Jowi> Merovingian: yes, at the beginning. you get more options at the prefs screen
[08:30] <mihai> sean__: fluxbox is for ultimate geeks
[08:30] <delire> chrismy: the 'scons' systems is the easiest from experience.
[08:30] <Bartimaeus> what is fluxbox?
[08:30] <chrismy> delire, wow you know blender?? cool! tell me how!! please...if you don't mind
[08:30] <NoUse> Bartimaeus apt-get install bittorrent worked for me
[08:30] <chrismy> delire, so what is the very very first step?
[08:30] <mihai> so how do i enable this universe repo ? i've never worked with apt-get before
[08:30] <Bartimaeus> nice
[08:30] <sean__> lol, fluxbox = retro 80's look... thanks but ill run back to windows 3.11 first :p
[08:30] <fab_> bartimaeus: fluxbox ist a windowmanager like gnome
[08:30] <delire> chrismy: i use blender in my day job yes.
[08:30] <HappyFool> !tell mihai about repos
[08:30] <suemor2> HELP please I have an IBM R50e Laptop for work I have installed Ubuntu Hoary but I need access to the internal modem when at work eth0 works fine at home.  How do I configure it nothing seems to work?
[08:30] <Vash> HappyFool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia is the instructions, correct?
[08:31] <HappyFool> Vash: yip
[08:31] <chrismy> delire, gee....you are a graphics designer? 3d artist?
[08:31] <Vash> HappyFool: but are those for the latest driver version?
[08:31] <HappyFool> Vash: i don't think so, no
[08:31] <Bartimaeus> fab_, can u explain mor please?
[08:31] <Jowi> Merovingian: you should be able to choose incoming and outgoing connections... i do not have firestarter installed so i'm not 100% sure of where i saw the options and i have no need to share my conneciton like that since i use a normal router.
[08:31] <delire> chrismy: i teach game development, we use blender alot.
[08:31] <chrismy> delire, no way......
[08:31] <Vash> delire: w00t, blender :P
[08:31] <suemor2> Vash it doesn't matter the process is the same
[08:31] <chrismy> delire, so you are gaming teacher?
[08:32] <suemor2> HELP please I have an IBM R50e Laptop for work I have installed Ubuntu Hoary but I need access to the internal modem when at work eth0 works fine at home.  How do I configure it nothing seems to work?
[08:32] <delire> chrismy: yes
[08:32] <NoUse> fluxbox is a window manager, gnome is a desktop environment which uses metacity as its window manager
[08:32] <chrismy> delire, wow i meet different people with different jobs neat!
[08:32] <Vash> well, I guess I'll give those directions a try when I get home and see how badly I screw things up again
[08:32] <Jowi> suemor2: no need to repeat yourself this often. if someone can help they will.
[08:32] <Rug> I have a bug (I don't know if it has been documented yet) that is easy to reproduce.  Care to smack me with a FAQ or what/where should I go?   It involves kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 and Nvidia (apt-get) driver.
[08:32] <chrismy> delire, ok so what is the very first step to compile my working blender on 64 bit machine?
[08:32] <Vash> lol, I read about that in the forums Rug :P
[08:33] <Bartimaeus> okay, bittorent is installed, but how do i actually use it, lol?
[08:33] <delire> chrismy: ok to compile it download the source pacakge, cd into it and read the INSTALL file. it will give you a list of dependencies. some are necessary else your compile will fail.
[08:33] <suemor2> jowi just important that was all
[08:33] <dalamar> Rug, install linux-k7 package
[08:33] <Rug> Vash, ok sorry
[08:33] <Vash> yeah, just do a forum search, should be easy to find
[08:33] <dalamar> Rug, if your talking about X not booting after the k7 kernel install
[08:33] <Rug> I'm sorry folks...
[08:33] <Jowi> suemor2: no prob :-)
[08:33] <chrismy> delire, ok hold on . i do not understnd you very much about dependancies,...hold
[08:33] <fab_> cu guys
[08:34] <NoUse> Bartimaeus feed it a .torrent file
[08:34] <Bartimaeus> anyone know how to actually use bittorrent
[08:34] <chrismy> delire, so i go to http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Source_Code.12.0.html and download blender-2.37a.tar.gz ?
[08:34] <Bartimaeus> how do you do that?
[08:34] <NoUse> !bittorrent
[08:34] <ubotu> NoUse: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:34] <mdz_> Bartimaeus: click on a .torrent file in firefox
[08:34] <suemor2> bartimaeus yes
[08:34] <delire> chrismy: when compiling software on any platform the compilation process will often depend on certain binary files and 'headers'. they are in this INSTALL file. the source code package you have found is the right one.
[08:34] <Bartimaeus> trhanks
[08:35] <dalamar> is there any good program to convert .img images too .iso? I have tried isodump aka img2iso and it always says 'file too large' for a dvd image, can anyone help?
[08:35] <chrismy> delire, ahh so it depends....
[08:35] <Jowi> Bartimaeus: install bittorrent, open a webbrowser and click on a download link for the torrent.
[08:35] <delire> chrismy: yep
[08:35] <maan84> Anyone know where I can find some nice Ubuntu wallpapers? thank you
[08:36] <suemor2> dalamar doesn't k3b just burn it
[08:36] <chrismy> delire, thanks! ok downloading now. will commence another killer question for you :P
[08:36] <skull> does anybody know what is happening with the backports repositories
[08:36] <delire> maan84: i would say art.gnome.org would be a good start
[08:36] <dalamar> suemor2, img? I dont think so, unless you've done it
[08:36] <delire> chrismy: np ;)
[08:36] <maan84> delire: Thank you, I'll check it out :)
[08:36] <dalamar> img is a clonecd aka windows format heh
[08:36] <chrismy> delire, so you do and teach people make lots of games?
[08:37] <suemor2> dalamar k3b clones too
[08:37] <chrismy> delire, unbelievable!
[08:37] <whistlingtony> Wireless problems: ESSID is same, IP's manually set, correct modules, everything should work... Can't ping. Anyone know what I may be missing?
[08:37] <chrismy> delire, is it ok if we take privately? since we will be kicked if we talk other than ubuntu.....
[08:37] <mihai> anybody know if valknut is in some repo?
[08:38] <skull> does anybody know what is happening with the backports repositories
[08:38] <dalamar> suemor2, clones? what does that mean? Do I need to install an additional package or something for img support?
[08:38] <delire> chrismy: yeah sure, pm me
[08:39] <delire> maan84: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=5
[08:39] <NoUse> !info valknut
[08:39] <suemor2> no you just do do clone copy rather than a straight copy
[08:39] <maan84> delire: thx :)
[08:40] <dalamar> suemor2, im not copying anything, im trying to burn an image
[08:40] <suemor2> yes but you can copy a clone in k3b to hard drive and the burn it another time
[08:41] <dalamar> so I have to burn the .img file to a disc then rip it is that what your saying?
[08:42] <emilio> emiliooox
[08:42] <Jowi> shouldn't it be theoretical possible to mount the image and then copy it to preffered format?
[08:43] <viyyer__> hello
[08:43] <dalamar> Jowi, ooh, can you mount .img even in linux? that might work
[08:43] <emiliooo> muy buenas
[08:44] <viyyer__> I have a printer installed locally .. I need to share it across the network
[08:44] <whistlingtony> Wireless problems: ESSID is same, IP's manually set, correct modules, everything should work... Can't ping. Anyone know what I may be missing?
[08:44] <suemor2> dalamar no just go into k3b tools burn cd image select it it should just read it
[08:44] <Jowi> dalamar: yeah, as a loopback device. i haven't tried it though
[08:46] <suemor2> can anyone help me out with my laptop modem problem at all.
[08:46] <mihai> anybody know if valknut is in some repo?
[08:46] <Jowi> dalamar: i would try suemor2 s advice though. seems much simpler :-)
[08:46] <HappyFool> suemor2: do you know what sort of modem it is ?
[08:47] <whistlingtony> Suemor2 you might be boned... modems are kinda flaky with linux... as most modems are software modems.. my advice? go buy an external hardware modem... It'll detect like a dream, and just work.... no fiddling.
[08:47] <suemor2> ac97 from what I can figure from dmesg
[08:47] <chrismy> delire, i am back
[08:47] <whistlingtony> Suemor2 lspci and see what it says?
[08:48] <HappyFool> suemor2: i thought ac97 was a sound card standard (i may be completely wrong)
[08:48] <suemor2> ac97 modem controller
[08:49] <BollocksMacenzie> What's happened to the fullscreen paramiter "-f"? Doesn't seem to work anymore!
[08:49] <whistlingtony> ac97... that's it? Eugh...
[08:49] <HappyFool> suemor2: your laptop model, again?
[08:49] <Bartimaeus> does anyone know how to set up a web server?
[08:49] <suemor2> happyfool ibm R50e
[08:50] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: 'sudo aptitude install apache2' should do it
[08:50] <Bartimaeus> how do i run it?
[08:50] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: it'll be running automatically after it installs -- take a look at 'http://localhost'
[08:50] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: the html files are in /var/www
[08:50] <suemor2> 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) to be precise on what lspci said
[08:50] <Bartimaeus> thanks
[08:52] <HappyFool> suemor2: hmm. i'm going to guess it's a winmodem. probably the easiest thing will be to download scanModem.gz from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/ and run it
[08:52] <reiki_work> ok this might sound dumb, but is the hotplug service for detecting USB devices being plugged in?
[08:52] <HappyFool> suemor2: that will tell you what your modem model is, and i think it'll tell you what drivers to use
[08:52] <dalamar> suemor2, its burning now , thank you, when I searched for an iso .img doesnt come up you have to select 'list all files' and select it, gues I assumed since it wasn't there it didn't support it ;)
[08:52] <suemor2> bartimaeus checkout your own ip address type it into the address bar on firefox should show a welcome page
[08:52] <Jowi> reiki_work: amongst other things, yes.
[08:53] <mihai> ok valknut is in the breeze repository how do i enable it ?
[08:53] <Jowi> reiki_work: it will also detect my onboard network card and soundcard
[08:53] <HappyFool> mihai: you probably shouldn't, unless you're running breezy (which you also probably shouldn't ;)
[08:53] <HappyFool> mihai: is valknut a direct connect client? in that case, try dcgui-qt instead
[08:54] <suemor2> dalamar k3b is the only piece of kit I tend to use from kde as it is the best in linux land
[08:54] <dalamar> suemor2, I agree, do you know what other formats it may support? mdf or bin for example?
[08:54] <reiki_work> Bartimaeus: look in /var/www  you might have a directory called apache2-default or similar. I think theat Ubuntu's default apache install puts the welcome screen in there instead of the web root
[08:54] <mihai> HappyFool: but valknut is the ex dcgui-qt
[08:54] <mihai> right ?
[08:55] <HappyFool> dalamar: you might want to try out the bchunk package for bin files
[08:55] <HappyFool> mihai: i don't know, sorry
[08:55] <mihai> HappyFool: but what exactly is breezy ? i'm running the latest 5.04
[08:55] <nalioth> mihai: breezy badger is 5.10
[08:55] <HappyFool> mihai: breezy is the next release of ubuntu (5.10) -- but it's still in testing at the moment
[08:55] <dalamar> HappyFool, ive tried and still get errors about 'file too large' when trying to convert a dvd image?
[08:55] <mihai> HappyFool: i don't care if stuff breakes, this is just for fun (testing ubuntu)
[08:55] <boodle> anyone have luck with sawfish in breezy?
[08:56] <HappyFool> dalamar: sorry, i don't know any more
[08:56] <mihai> HappyFool: so how do i enable the breezy repo ? :p
[08:56] <Jet2k5> hello anyone here install the nforce4 drivers?
[08:56] <dalamar> i think alot of those image conversion programs were all intended for cd images and not so much dvd heh
[08:57] <godzirra> delire: when I comment those unsupported repo's back out, I can't get wine anymore :/
[08:57] <Bartimaeus> anybody know how to set up the apache2 stuff.  I'm behind a router, how do i configure that so that i can host pages from my ip?
[08:57] <HappyFool> mihai: in /etc/apt/sources.list, change 'hoary' to 'breezy'. I recommend that you do not do this. I'm not sure what will happen if you just use it like that -- nothing good, i imagine
[08:57] <delire> godzirra: hmm, i thought wine was in universe
[08:57] <sean__> bartimeus: just put your computer in the DMZ on the router
[08:58] <nalioth> mihai: if you like kernel panics, be my guest (run breezy on a non mission critical other machine)
[08:58] <Bartimaeus> can you explain plz?
[08:58] <Jowi> Bartimaeus: in your router you need to enable portforwarding: your.ip.add.ress port 80
[08:58] <sean__> yeah sure, what kinda router?
[08:58] <mihai> nalioth: i'm going to get rid of ubuntu these days anyway, so no damage done
[08:58] <Jowi> Bartimaeus: no need to put it in DMZ
[08:59] <haakonn> hi, i've installed mozilla-firefox-locale-nb, but how can i actually get firefox to use it? (norwegian language)
[08:59] <godzirra> delire: oh duh.. libwine replaces it apparently.
[08:59] <Bartimaeus> how do i do that?
[08:59] <sean__> http://192.168.1.1 - router config - u can do portforwarding / DMZ in there.. i prefer to go the DMZ route
[08:59] <godzirra> delire: but wine-tools depends on wine
[08:59] <Bartimaeus> thanks
[08:59] <erchache> hi
[08:59] <carajean> how to make movie quality better the sound and movie are off like he says soemthing before i hear it
[08:59] <erchache> anybody with a hp dl145?
[08:59] <carajean> ??
[09:00] <Bartimaeus> i need to contact my provider for my ip right?
[09:00] <mihai> so how do i refresh the apt repos ?
[09:00] <Jowi> Bartimaeus: no need. i will send you a private message
[09:00] <lonetree> hi guys
[09:00] <sean__> ello lonetree
[09:01] <carajean> what the best movie player for linux that i can apt-get?
[09:01] <HappyFool> mihai: 'apt-get update', and, if you want to upgrade to breezy proper, 'apt-get dist-upgrade'; i presume will take a little while.
[09:01] <lonetree> can anyone help me with some wireless problem?
[09:01] <lonetree> hi sean__
[09:01] <lonetree> hello?
[09:01] <Madpilot> carajean: I like Totem, which is installed by default and "just works"...
[09:01] <lonetree> anyone can help?
[09:01] <HappyFool> carajean: you can try xine, mplayer and vlc
[09:01] <Rug> carajean, I use VLC
[09:02] <HappyFool> lonetree: if you ask a specific question, we'll try
[09:02] <carajean> what VLC and can i apt get it?
[09:02] <chrismy> delire_away, still there?
[09:02] <Rug> yes you can
[09:02] <lonetree> ok, it seems that I can't get wireless connection at boot time
[09:02] <HappyFool> carajean: yip. it's in the universe repository
[09:02] <lonetree> I am using dlink wireless card, via ndiswrapper
[09:02] <carajean> yip?
[09:02] <HappyFool> yes ;)
[09:03] <carajean> ooh i  get what ur talkin about now
[09:03] <hazmat> what package has binaries for converting from dos 2 unix line endings?
[09:03] <suemor2> dalamar bin/cue iso img nrg(i think)
[09:03] <lonetree> wat i can see is network configuration starts before ndiswrapper start to act on the wireless card
[09:03] <haakonn> hmf, nobody knows how to switch firefox's locale?
[09:03] <hazmat> i'm searching through synaptic via apt-cache but nothing obvious for dos2unix stands out
[09:03] <lonetree> is there a way to make ndiswrapper start before network configuration?
[09:03] <Rug> carajean, apt-get install vlc
[09:04] <lonetree> HappyFool?
[09:04] <carajean> yeah rug im doin it through that syn thing
[09:04] <HappyFool> lonetree: i don't know; you can look at the ndiswrapper page on the wiki. see below
[09:04] <lonetree> hi hondje
[09:04] <HappyFool> !ndiswrapper
[09:04] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[09:05] <HappyFool> hazmat: it's in sysutils
[09:05] <carajean> lol rug it might just owrk
[09:05] <Rug> Here is a bit of movie trivia for everybody!    Ubuntu is the name of the navigator in the movie Wing Commander!
[09:05] <DekaPink> Can I make it so there isn't that loading splash after I log in?
[09:06] <lonetree> that wiki don't tell much anyway
[09:06] <HappyFool> another in the fine tradition of computer game movies
[09:06] <Rug> haR,   yeah it did suck, but atleast it was better then Mario Bros.
[09:07] <hondje> Hey lonetree, ever figure that thing out?
[09:07] <lonetree> anyone else here uses ndiswrapper for wireless card and manage to get wireless connection at boot time?
[09:08] <lonetree> hi hindje
[09:08] <lonetree> you mean the samba thing?
[09:08] <lonetree> hondje, you mean the samba thingy?
[09:08] <hondje> Yes
[09:08] <IcemanV9> does live-cd have "partition editor" or something likes that???
[09:08] <lonetree> hondje, have you file the bugs report?
[09:08] <lonetree> I can't figure that out anyway
[09:09] <hondje> No, I have no logs or anything that I could use since we couldn't reproduce it :-/
[09:09] <lonetree> and I think in the bugzilla, the problem has been there for q while
[09:09] <carajean> how did u guys get vlc to get sound?
[09:09] <lonetree> hondje, you mean you dun get the problem? or you do get the problem?
[09:09] <Rug> vlc-plugin-alsa - ALSA audio output plugin for VLC
[09:09] <Rug> vlc-plugin-arts - aRts audio output plugin for VLC
[09:09] <Rug> vlc-plugin-esd - Esound audio output plugin for VLC
[09:10] <lonetree> sigh, one problem after another
[09:10] <fl> good evening :-)
[09:10] <hondje> lonetree: We couldn't get the problem, they tried to make it happen but couldn't either
[09:11] <lonetree> you mean you dun get the time cand date changed when you copy from one linux machine to another? hondje?
[09:11] <Rug> Odd thing happened to my box yesterday.   I booted it up in the morning, and kept getting a Grub Error 22.   Worked fine the night before.
[09:11] <lonetree> or even from linux to wondows?
[09:11] <hondje> lonetree: that's right, no problems at all like that.  The network guys toyed around with it and couldn't make it happen, either
[09:11] <lonetree> are you using samba?
[09:12] <lonetree> strange, why do i keep getting this problem?
[09:12] <hondje> lonetree: linux->linux, window->linux, linux->windows, AIX->windows, etc...tried a lot but couldn't reproduce it
[09:13] <lonetree> errr, hondje, sorry if I have offended you, was my question clear to you ?
[09:13] <hondje> The network guys couldn't think of a reason to get that problem, which is why I suggested filing a bug :)
[09:13] <hondje> Yes, copying files between various platforms over smb causing bad timestamps
[09:14] <carajean> how im in totem and it says streaming how do i get it to stop that its a dvd there is no need to stream
[09:14] <gigaclon> whats the package for installing SDL?
[09:15] <lonetree> my prob was actually, a file with a date e.g 21/09/2004 08:00 a.m,which I tried to copy to a linux shared folder, and when it was copied over, the time and date changes immediately to either, current date or 1980 01 01 tues, 08:00 am
[09:15] <Rug> How are you copying the file?
[09:16] <hondje> lonetree: yeah, we couldn't get it to do that
[09:16] <lonetree> hmmm
[09:16] <lonetree> wat was the result?
[09:16] <hondje> things copied normally
[09:16] <xulMunkee> i have a .diff file with changes for multiple files... how can i apply it to the multiple files?
[09:16] <hondje> no problem with the time one the files
[09:16] <xulMunkee> here is the diff file: http://ftp.kfki.hu/linux/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kq/kq_0.98+cvs.20031006-2.diff
[09:17] <carajean> hmm how to make totem stop streaming its just reading it off the dvd in the drive
[09:17] <HappyFool> xulMunkee: something like 'patch -p0 < foo.diff'
[09:17] <Bartimaeus> anyone know how to find out ur ip when you are behind a router/
[09:18] <lonetree> it remains the original date? hondje
[09:18] <hondje> lonetree: yes
[09:18] <xulMunkee> HappyFool, i want to do something like: patch mydir/ < foo.diff
[09:18] <lonetree> strange
[09:18] <lonetree> wat have i done wrong then?
[09:18] <hondje> I cannot think of anything that would cause your problem, lonetree
[09:18] <HappyFool> xulMunkee: if you run 'patch' in mydir, it might work; take a look at 'man patch'
[09:19] <HappyFool> xulMunkee: the -p strips off leading directories in filenames, iirc
[09:19] <lonetree> hondje : the problem is I dun only face with ubuntu
[09:19] <lonetree> I got this problem from all distro
[09:19] <xulMunkee> HappyFool, i'm really incompetent the man page gives me a headache
[09:20] <hondje> Yeah, I remember that part lonetree, which is why I'd hit up a samba dev and ask them to look at your logs, see if they can find out what's going wrong
[09:20] <HappyFool> xulMunkee: well, make a copy of mydir and try it
[09:20] <adriyel> whatismyip.com
[09:20] <lonetree> thanks for the trouble hondje
[09:20] <hondje> lonetree: not a problem at all, sorry I can't be more help :)
[09:20] <lonetree> you have help a lot
[09:21] <xulMunkee> HappyFool, maybe you can help me... i'm trying to apply this ubuntu .diff file to a tarball source pkg
[09:21] <lonetree> just hope that someone has the same prob as mine and could solve the prob for me
[09:21] <lonetree> my boss is fuming
[09:21] <xulMunkee> i mean. i'm trying to compile KQLives
[09:21] <lonetree> :-) :-(
[09:21] <xulMunkee> from the ubuntu source
[09:22] <hondje> lonetree: have you asked in #samba?
[09:22] <lonetree> the channel?
[09:22] <lonetree> irc?
[09:22] <hondje> Yes
[09:22] <HappyFool> xulMunkee: we can try. i normally muddle my way through when using patch -- i'm no guru. is there a 'kq-0.98+cvs.20031006' in mydir?
[09:23] <carajean> is there a working dvdplayer for linux one that u can fast forward and that doesnt play really fast?
[09:23] <hondje>  /join #samba, it's a big channel lonetree :)
[09:23] <lonetree> ok
[09:23] <lonetree> i'll go have a look later
[09:23] <lonetree> hondje, now I have another issue
[09:24] <hondje> What's up?
[09:24] <lonetree> my wireless connection does not work on boot time
[09:24] <lonetree> I'm using ndiswrapper to drive up my card
[09:24] <hondje> I know nothing about wireless, my only wireless device is my pda
[09:24] <lonetree> ndiswrapper always start after network configuration
[09:24] <lonetree> which i think this is the prob
[09:25] <lonetree> nvm
[09:25] <lonetree> thanks anyway
[09:25] <pax> lonetree: do you have 'auto ethX' somewhere in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:26] <lonetree> pax , it got rid of that line
[09:26] <lonetree> hello?
[09:26] <ndlovu> I'm installing ubuntu, and it's asking which kernel I want to use - is there a difference between them?
[09:26] <pax> lonetree: why?
[09:26] <lonetree> sorry
[09:26] <adriyel> ndlovu, just choose the defaults
[09:26] <adriyel> for now
[09:26] <lonetree> i type in the wrong channel
[09:27] <pax> lonetree: that line is what brings the interface up at boot time
[09:27] <esc_ape> so, how do you install windows programs with wine? I have the installer .exe & wine setup. what now?
[09:27] <sean_> wierd.. ghosts in the machine :p
[09:27] <lonetree> pax,
[09:27] <lonetree> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[09:27] <lonetree> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[09:27] <lonetree> # The loopback network interface
[09:27] <lonetree> auto lo
[09:27] <lonetree> iface lo inet loopback
[09:27] <lonetree> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[09:27] <lonetree> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[09:27] <lonetree> mapping hotplug
[09:28] <lonetree> 	script grep
[09:28] <lonetree> 	map wlan0
[09:28] <sean_> anyways, does anyone know where i can find the breezy sources.list?
[09:28] <lonetree> # The primary network interface
[09:28] <lonetree> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[09:28] <pax> hit esc please
[09:28] <lonetree> wireless-essid STEALTHTUNNEL
[09:28] <lonetree> wireless-key [3]  restricted 1111-1000-0011-1110-0000-1111-10
[09:28] <lonetree> #wireless-key 1111-1000-0011-1110-0000-1111-10
[09:28] <lonetree> # The secondary network interface
[09:28] <lonetree> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:28] <lonetree> auto wlan0
[09:28] <lonetree> this is my interfaces' content
[09:28] <carajean> linux is a very funny little thing it either all or nothin works i have come to find out lol
[09:29] <sean_> carajean, if it down work, we broke it, thats my theory
[09:30] <carajean> yeah prolly
[09:30] <Madpilot> carajean: what's currently broken?
[09:30] <carajean> ahh the old windows days stuff just works right out of the box :(
[09:30] <sean_> lol no it didnt
[09:30] <lonetree> pax?
[09:30] <Bartimaeus> h
[09:30] <carajean> my video playback is to fast i have no sound
[09:30] <sean_> I rember spending lots of time with MSCDEX and audio drivers
[09:30] <carajean> i cant fast forward or skip chapters
[09:31] <uthini> if anybody wants to have hot sexxy chat, pvt sum1 else
[09:31] <pax> lonetree: yes now we know you can copy/paste please don't do it again the channel we have pastebin for that, put that line back where it was and restart netwroking
[09:31] <sean_> lol uthini, damn.. ruin my hopes :p lol
[09:31] <jhall> Hello,  Nubie here!  In windows, when you add a program, it shows up in the start menu automaticaly.  How do I get the new programs to show up in the applications menu?
[09:32] <sean_> so does anyone know where i can find the sources for breezy? wanna apt-get update and apt-get update-distro
[09:32] <lonetree> I dun get wat you mean pax
[09:32] <adriyel> delire
[09:32] <sean_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl  - Paste BIn
[09:32] <sTr_0ke|h0Me|Syn> auw
[09:32] <sTr_0ke|h0Me|Syn> hii all
[09:32] <adriyel> sean
[09:32] <lonetree> I'm using wireless for my notebook and I dun want eth0 to start
[09:32] <adriyel> we found the problem
[09:33] <sean_> yeah??? what was it?
[09:33] <adriyel> libflash isn't 64 bit clean
[09:33] <adriyel> they gotta replace/fix it in 5.10
[09:33] <sean_> ahhh, that would make sense too
[09:33] <adriyel> I moved libflash into /backup
[09:33] <sean_> can u just disable it for now??
[09:33] <adriyel> it stopped crashing
[09:33] <adriyel> yeah, thats what I did
[09:33] <sean_> good stuff :)
[09:33] <stretched_lobes> hello
[09:34] <adriyel> if I had my way, I woulda moved it into /dev/null... *growls*
[09:34] <sean_> im going to keep that in mind and write in on the WIKI if thats ok
[09:34] <adriyel> please do
[09:34] <jhall> Hello?
[09:34] <adriyel> it makes firefox 99% unusable
[09:34] <stretched_lobes> I am trying to install vonage do I need to do anything special on ubuntu
[09:34] <adriyel> 5.04, Hoary,  AMD64, libflash-mozplugin.so
[09:34] <HappyFool> jhall: not all apps get added to the menu, unfortunately
[09:34] <HappyFool> jhall: if you want to add them yourself, you can use something called 'smeg'
[09:34] <HappyFool> !smeg
[09:34] <ubotu> smeg is, like, totally, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[09:34] <sean_> alright :) thanks adriyel, ill document it and post it
[09:35] <adriyel> mv /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so /backup/blah
[09:35] <adriyel> thats the fix
[09:35] <jhall> thank you I'll try that
[09:35] <adriyel> resetting/deleting your profile solves nothing
[09:35] <jhall> I have another question
[09:35] <Kyral> Anyone know a good calander/organizer program?
[09:35] <Kyral> Preferably GTK2 based?
[09:35] <sean_> booya, nice work adriyel , gonna save alot of users headaches
[09:36] <Rosko> would some one be able to help me setup a HP PSC Scanner that is across network?
[09:36] <HappyFool> Kyral: doesn't evolution have some calendering facilities?
[09:36] <jhall> How are you able to make your replys directed to me (highlighted red)
[09:36] <adriyel> *nods* yeah, it basically disables all web browsing in Ubuntu 64 unless you install opera or something
[09:36] <hondje> jhall: just say your name
[09:36] <jhall> lol
[09:36] <Kyral> HappyFool, I no like Evolution
[09:36] <adriyel> the only alternative would be if you used Kubuntu 64 and used konq
[09:36] <jhall> what?
[09:36] <HappyFool> jhall: i just prefix the message with your nick
[09:36] <jhall> oh thanks
[09:36] <Kyral> I mean a program JUST for that purpose
[09:37] <sean_> yeah i use opera here
[09:37] <jhall> HappyFool: testing
[09:37] <sean_> its faster then firefox
[09:37] <Kyral> I would use Sunbird
[09:37] <jhall> cool
[09:37] <adriyel> sean_: "nice work adriyel" thanks...a gdb backtrace helped us figure out it was flash being gay
[09:37] <Kyral> but its not in Universe
[09:37] <HappyFool> jhall: it works ;). it's a function of your irc program, not irc itself
[09:37] <adriyel> apparently the reason it felt "random" is I was getting "random" flashvertisements, *laughs*
[09:37] <sean_> intense :) saves a gentoo install :p
[09:37] <jhall> THIS IS SO COOL!!! (Can you tell i'm new...)
[09:37] <adriyel> so, everytime I randomly got an add with flash, it randomly crashed...lol.
[09:38] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about paste
[09:38] <adriyel> an ad
[09:38] <sean_> ROFL! hahah... gotta love the web these days.. I cant even take my 98 partition browsing, to much ads
[09:38] <adriyel> lol *laughs*
[09:38] <adriyel> spam made my computer crash *cries*
[09:38] <Rosko> would some one be able to help me setup a HP PSC Scanner that is across network?
[09:38] <adriyel> that should be in an anti-spam commercial
[09:38] <adriyel> alrighty, I g2g to work
[09:38] <adriyel> I'll ttyl guys
[09:38] <sean_> later adriyel
[09:38] <adriyel> thx for everything sean
[09:38] <sean_> have a good one :)
[09:39] <adriyel> you too
[09:39] <sean_> np, anytime
[09:39] <adriyel> I'll be on a little after 9pm EST
[09:39] <derFlo> i have different CDs (debian, ubuntu, knoppix, windows, bartPE). now i want to put them on a single DVD. Did anyone do that before and knows a good tutorial for creating such a multi boot DVD?
[09:39] <adriyel> .afk.
[09:39] <fartmonster> hey
[09:39] <derFlo> my google-searches don't give me much help
[09:39] <gooktime> ever install linux in the pale moonlight
[09:39] <fartmonster> lol
[09:40] <fartmonster> Can anyone help me witha problem I've had with the live CD?
[09:40] <ivanoden> hey, anyone know non-default ubuntu repositories?
[09:40] <sean_> derFlo,  i hate to say it, but try nero?  simple, easy, and should do the trick, but then again, that is windows :p
[09:40] <requiem_> ok
[09:41] <requiem_> I know my problem now
[09:41] <requiem_> I want to edit xorg.conf
[09:41] <ivanoden> on ubuntuguide, i see a lot of software can be installed via apt-get
[09:41] <requiem_> but if I do it by hand X wont start
[09:41] <derFlo> a don't have enough space on my windows-partition and i don't have nero
[09:41] <sean_> ubuntuguide is unsportted, use the wiki
[09:41] <fartmonster> When I load up the LiveCD everything goes great until Gnome loads.
[09:41] <ivanoden> but the ubuntu (fresh install), does not have
[09:41] <fartmonster> Then, my laptop screen turns off
[09:42] <darkheart> ivanoden If you visited that site, you should have noticed they show you how to add more repos.
[09:42] <ivanoden> use wiki?
[09:42] <requiem_> does dpkg-reconfigure xorg-common a valid command ?
[09:42] <Madpilot> ivanoden: you need to enable other repos
[09:42] <EasterSunshine> can someone look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1561 and suggest any changes to it?
[09:42] <requiem_> is this to reconfigure X ?
[09:42] <fartmonster> The welcome sound plays...  When I click the mouse I hear sounds but I have no display....
[09:42] <Madpilot> !tell ivanoden about repos
[09:42] <sean_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:42] <ivanoden> ok
[09:42] <Madpilot> bbl
[09:42] <ivanoden> how to add more repo
[09:42] <fartmonster> ..>?
[09:42] <china> has anyone succefully installed oracle 10g?
[09:43] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: looks ok, i guess. why flex-old ?
[09:43] <ivanoden> i've receive help private
[09:43] <ivanoden> thanks
[09:43] <Jowi> requiem_: i believe the correct way is: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:43] <EasterSunshine> HappyFool: dunno, thats what the guide said http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[09:43] <mirak> are most of the recent ethernet card self detecting if the cable is crossed or flat ?
[09:43] <fartmonster> Can anyone help me>
[09:43] <requiem_> Jowi, thanks
[09:43] <requiem_> :)
[09:43] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: ok. the description says you should only use it if you have old-style lex files
[09:44] <Jowi> np requiem_
[09:44] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: no big deal, i imagine
[09:44] <aroman> hi
[09:44] <EasterSunshine> HappyFool: ok i will execute that command now, thx
[09:44] <ryanja> has anyone have trouble installing monodevelop on unbuntu
[09:45] <fartmonster> When I load up the LiveCD everything goes great until Gnome loads.Then, my laptop screen turns off.The welcome sound plays... When I click the mouse I hear sounds but I have no display....  Anyone know whats up?  I know I didn't set the resolution too high
[09:45] <ryanja> *ubuntu
[09:45] <requiem_> one question
[09:45] <requiem_> how do I restart X in ubuntu
[09:45] <requiem_> ?
[09:45] <requiem_> ctrl + alt + backspace doesn't go
[09:45] <fartmonster> .....
[09:45] <HappyFool> requiem_: log out, and type 'ctrl-alt-backspace'
[09:45] <EasterSunshine> sudo killall x && startx
[09:46] <requiem_> with just keys
[09:46] <HappyFool> requiem_: try 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[09:46] <diofan> When I load up the LiveCD everything goes great until Gnome loads.Then, my laptop screen turns off.The welcome sound plays... When I click the mouse I hear sounds but I have no display.... Anyone know whats up? I know I didn't set the resolution too high
[09:46] <requiem_> all of that solutions include writing
[09:46] <requiem_> if X crashes
[09:46] <requiem_> I can't write
[09:46] <HappyFool> requiem_: try 'ctrl-alt-f1' to get to a text console
[09:47] <requiem_> HappyFool, when X crashes it doesn't go
[09:48] <requiem_> :|
[09:48] <sean_> diofan, tried doing a ctrl-alt-backspace after it loaded? it will reload X, might let it kick in to go bug hunting
[09:48] <HappyFool> requiem_: if neither 'ctrl-alt-f1' or 'ctrl-alt-backspace' work, i usually reboot
[09:48] <requiem_> HappyFool, just now I tried ctrl + alt + backspace
[09:48] <diofan> Naw, man.  I'm a total n00b I don't know anything.
[09:48] <requiem_> X is not crashed
[09:48] <requiem_> X is still working :\
[09:48] <HappyFool> ompaul: seen this? http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html
[09:48] <sean_> alll good man, we were all nub once...  id try that, try lowering ure resolution, and refresh rates
[09:48] <requiem_> brb
[09:49] <ompaul> HappyFool, no just going to look now
[09:49] <BollocksMacenzie> How do I open Microsoft libraries (.cab)...?
[09:50] <reiki_work> yet *another* dumb question... if I want to use fetchmail... and I know how to START fetchmail... do I simply have to put a .fetchmailrc in my /home/reiki/ folder and fetchmail loks around to see who has a fetchmailrc in their folder?  OR... do I INVOKE fetchmail from my user account?
[09:50] <bfree> anyone know can you specify the keyboard and language on the kernel command line with the livecd? (i.e. d-i preseeding from command line)?
[09:50] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: i'd try double-clicking on them in nautilus; if that doesn't work, there's a package called 'cabextract' in universe
[09:51] <BollocksMacenzie> HappyFool: Well I tried clicking on them, duh!
[09:51] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: cabextract it is, then
[09:51] <ompaul> HappyFool, you know that looks good in terms of what we discussed now if we could get the bots merged with that then *bonus* points all around
[09:52] <esunshine> plz
[09:52] <HappyFool> well, if nothing else, we could just point people at that when the breezy comes out; should answer many questions
[09:53] <esunshine> plz help i used ctrl alt f1 to bring up a text shell and i duon't know how to get out of it...no
[09:54] <HappyFool> esunshine: alt-f7
[09:54] <EasterSunshine> HappyFool: whew...thx i was stuck on telnet for a sec there
[09:54] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: heh
[09:55] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: i'm impressed ;)
[09:55] <EasterSunshine> HappyFool: nah...the irc protocol is pretty straightforward
[09:55] <benkong2> hey all I want to be able to install source tarballs on my laptop get an error when I run ./configure says I need automake. what are the files for developer tools?
[09:56] <derFlo> ok, i found a tutorial
[09:56] <derFlo> thx, bye
[09:56] <darkheart> benkong2 apt-get install build-essentials
[09:56] <EasterSunshine> benkong2: i thnk in a package called build-essentials
[09:56] <HappyFool> build-essential
[09:56] <benkong2> darkheart, EasterSunshine ; thanks
[09:57] <EasterSunshine> benkong2: before you compile and intsall from source, make sure its not in the repos its will save you a lot of trouble installing with apt
[09:57] <jhall> Is there a way to "Force Quit" or "End Process" in Ubuntu through the GUI
[09:57] <HappyFool> hmm. it looks like automake is not a dependency of build-essential anyway
[09:57] <benkong2> could it be another pkg name error couldn't find build-essentials
[09:58] <darkheart> Neither is autoconf I think.
[09:58] <EasterSunshine> jhall: do you know about xkill or kill or killall commands?
[09:58] <HappyFool> jhall: applicatins -> system tools -> system monitor
[09:58] <HappyFool> benkong2: build-essential
[09:58] <HappyFool> not essentials
[09:58] <benkong2> or maybe I need another repo
[09:58] <token41> hi everyone
[09:58] <benkong2> ok
[09:58] <jhall> HappyFool: Thanks again!!
[09:58] <Bartimaeus> anyone know of an easy website builder program like yahoo's SiteBuilder that works on linux?
[09:58] <EasterSunshine> i use vi to make websites...
[09:59] <HappyFool> jhall: np ;)
[09:59] <Bartimaeus> vi?
[09:59] <token41> :)
[09:59] <EasterSunshine> Bartimaeus: its by no means easy. it involves typing up html code
[09:59] <benkong2> hmmm... already got that installed. I am tying to install mysql-gui administrator and query browser on hoary. synaptic fails
[09:59] <HappyFool> pls. viitor isn't even a word! use ed.
[09:59] <Bartimaeus> oh, i only know a little html
[10:00] <HappyFool> benkong2: is that maybe 'mysql-admin' ?
[10:00] <HappyFool> !info mysql-admin
[10:00] <ubotu> mysql-admin: (GUI tool for intuitive MySQL administration), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.18-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 616 kB, Installed size: 1688 kB
[10:00] <Bartimaeus> is there an easy website builder?
[10:00] <darkheart> !nvu
[10:00] <ubotu> nvu is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[10:00] <benkong2> yes mysql-admin synaptic shows its installed but there  is no menu icon etc.
[10:00] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: try maybe bluefish
[10:01] <Bartimaeus> okay
[10:01] <lonetree> Bartimaeus , you can try NVU
[10:01] <HappyFool> benkong2: ah, maybe you can add it to the menu with smeg (see below)
[10:01] <HappyFool> !smeg
[10:01] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[10:01] <Bartimaeus> where do you get nvu and bluefish
[10:01] <benkong2> ok checking.....
[10:01] <HappyFool> for nvu see ubotu above; bluefish is in the repositories (i.e., via apt-get)
[10:02] <token41> EasterSunshine: but do you think that it is usefull for advanced web programers to use only vi???
[10:02] <ompaul> does ubuntu have a need for something like this?  http://volatile.debian.net/
[10:03] <HappyFool> ompaul: doesn't hoary-security kind of fulfil this role?
[10:03] <EasterSunshine> token41: no, but it just makes you feel cool
[10:03] <HappyFool> ompaul: not that i'm that knowledgeable about the update processes etc
[10:03] <EasterSunshine> token41: for real websites, i would use kate, sed, msfrontpage and for testing, apache2, firefox,
[10:03] <ompaul> HappyFool, I don't know really I need to read more
[10:03] <jhall> HappyFool:  General troubleshooting question...If I just installed a program and it just froze-up on me, could it ever be because I didn't "Reboot" or is that not an issue with Linux?
[10:03] <ompaul> HappyFool, I'll let you know
[10:04] <EasterSunshine> token41: i am not proud of using msfrontpage...if there were a linux parallel to it, i do not know about it, but i would use it
[10:04] <BollocksMacenzie> HappyFool: Cabextract didn't work. Needed unshield...
[10:04] <gigaclon> EasterSunshine, Im sure there is
[10:04] <HappyFool> jhall: you rarely need to reboot in linux, unless you update the kernel ('linux-image') or maybe major system libraries ('libc6', or similar)
[10:04] <darkheart> EasterSunshine I've heard nvu is quite good.
[10:04] <jhall> HappyFool: THX
[10:04] <delire> EasterSunshine: try http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
[10:05] <EasterSunshine> darkheart: well if it has a com at the end of its domain name, i don't feel comfortable with it
[10:05] <delire> EasterSunshine: my gf enjoys it very much
[10:05] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[10:05] <benkong2> here is my error using synaptic. "mysql-query-browser:  Depends: mysql-query-browser-common (=1.1.7-1~5.04ubp1) but 1.1.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed" Do I need another repo to make this work?
[10:05] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: sorry, my knowledge of cab files is very limited
[10:05] <EasterSunshine> delire: i will install it right now
[10:06] <delire> EasterSunshine: bear in mind it is a KDE application.
[10:06] <token41> EasterSunshine: try dreamweaver
[10:06] <EasterSunshine> i have installed a staggering 100 mb today on my poor little 8 gig disk
[10:06] <EasterSunshine> delire: i am on kubuntu already
[10:06] <delire> token41: what's that?
[10:06] <EasterSunshine> delire: its macromedia's web authoring app
[10:06] <delire> EasterSunshine: ahah, well it will integrate very nicely then.
[10:06] <delire> oh
[10:06] <token41> EasterSunshine: it is very usefull for beginners to write in text editors only ... i started with it tooo
[10:07] <aluno> como fao para criar uma sala
[10:07] <EasterSunshine> token41: i need to find out what theskinsfactory writes their designs in...those designs were astonishing
[10:07] <darkheart> !es
[10:07] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:08] <kijo> hu, is there anyway to communicate with the persons i have on msn and icq on linux.. any special prog which can handle them ?
[10:08] <EasterSunshine> that does not look like spanish... is not a spanish letter
[10:08] <robotgeek> kijo: gaim
[10:08] <BollocksMacenzie> HeppyFool: Aparently there are 2 types, rule of thumb... If one prog don't work the other probably will!
[10:08] <darkheart> EasterSunshine Doesn't look like any letter through my terminal.
[10:08] <kijo> what can gaim handle ?
[10:08] <kijo> robotgeek
[10:08] <robotgeek> kijo: msn,yahoo,and a bunch of others
[10:08] <neighborlee> EasterSunshine, I use nvu for most things and it works well..mozilla composer is nice too ( which nvu is based on ) and has a css-plugin,,of course w3c also has 'amaya' :http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ < which is nice too...of course quanta (qt) and bluefish(gtk) are good tools as well ;-00
[10:09] <token41> EasterSunshine: i dont know theskinfactory
[10:09] <kijo> koo
[10:09] <kijo> kool
[10:09] <robotgeek> kijo: you can even do irc with the new ones!
[10:09] <kijo> how ?
[10:10] <kijo> 0o
[10:10] <robotgeek> kijo: it supports irc protocol also
[10:10] <jhall> HappyFool:  Sorry to bother you again, but what was the name of that Applications Menu Editor again?
[10:10] <mihai> i just mounted a ntfs partition as root, what do i need to do so my user can read it ?
[10:10] <robotgeek> jhall: smeg
[10:10] <jhall> thx
[10:10] <EasterSunshine> mihai: pass -o ro,umask=022 to it
[10:11] <HappyFool> jhall: smeg
[10:11] <HappyFool> !smeg
[10:11] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[10:11] <EasterSunshine> mihai: and if that still does do it, add in a uid=1000,gid=1000 where uid and gid are your uid and gid
[10:12] <EasterSunshine> neighborlee: you sound like a really experienced web designer
[10:12] <neighborlee> EasterSunshine, I am
[10:12] <neighborlee> EasterSunshine, I enjoy it alot but yeah i've done my share
[10:12] <EasterSunshine> neighborlee: i will probably install every single one of those apps by tomorrow
[10:12] <neighborlee> hehe
[10:12] <mihai> EasterSunshine: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/e -o ro,umask=022 doesn't work
[10:13] <chrismy>  #blendercoders
[10:13] <delire> chrismy: so did you manage to compile it?
[10:13] <mihai> EasterSunshine: it's not correct syntax
[10:13] <delire> chrismy: i had to eat
[10:13] <EasterSunshine> mihai: you left out -t ntfs
[10:13] <EasterSunshine> mihai: but still that shouldn't make it wrong syntax...
[10:13] <chrismy> delire, sorry yes i understand
[10:14] <EasterSunshine> mihai: this is what i have in my mtab for an ntfs: /dev/hda1 /mnt/Ridley ntfs ro,umask=0222,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[10:15] <mihai> EasterSunshine: well i don't want a fstab solution, because i'll have to reboot, i don't want reboot
[10:15] <EasterSunshine> and the mount script reads `sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/Ridley -o ro,umask=0222,uid=silvertear,gid=silvertear`
[10:15] <gigaclon> my sound quality is crap
[10:15] <randy> Hello All
[10:15] <chrismy> delire, i am installing something here aptitude install libsdl-dev
[10:15] <darkheart> mihai Having something in your fstab doesn't mean you have to reboot to use it.
[10:16] <gigaclon> is a there a way to improve sound quality with ALSA?
[10:16] <darkheart> mihai In fact, it's easier to mount if it is in your fstab.
[10:16] <crimsun> gigaclon: cat /proc/asound/modules
[10:16] <ompaul> HappyFool, okay it appears not to be, I am thinking of something like the updates of the files for a spam filter or an anti virus filter
[10:16] <delire> chrismy: yes, you'll need to install all the development libraries in the file that called INSTALL. eg where they say libpng, you'll need to install libpng3-dev. then you can './configure && make && sudo make install'
[10:16] <mihai> oh i see, thanks, i fixed it by appending -t ntfs
[10:16] <randy> I am running Breezy Colony 3 (with all updates) and get this error when trying to import photos from my digital camera: 'error in io library Could not claim USB device'  Any ideas?
[10:17] <JN> just downloaded ubuntu and burnt to a cd at 4x speed and checked the md5 and it all worked
[10:17] <mihai> any ideas how much ram does a bare gnome take ? not the ubuntu one
[10:17] <JN> however i get a debootstrap error
[10:17] <JN> =/
[10:17] <mihai> i get 250mbytes of ram usage !! :(
[10:17] <ompaul> HappyFool, or even something like mozilla with its huge amount of changes - something like that does not really belong in a stable tree, we have a reasonable expectation that stuff in main is stable and really should not change during the life of the release if you see my point
[10:17] <delire> chrismy: that said, i can't speak highly enough of the 'scons' build process. eg to configure compile and install blender type 'scons && scons install'
[10:17] <reiki_work> yet *another* dumb question... if I want to use fetchmail... and I know how to START fetchmail... do I simply have to put a .fetchmailrc in my /home/reiki/ folder and fetchmail loks around to see who has a fetchmailrc in their folder?  OR... do I INVOKE fetchmail from my user account?
[10:17] <reiki_work> ack
[10:17] <reiki_work> oopsie
[10:17] <EasterSunshine> mihai: i think it takes more ram if you have it
[10:17] <EasterSunshine> mihai: otherwise, it'll drop it in the swap
[10:17] <chrismy> delire, pretty confusing...
[10:18] <delire> reiki_work: just run it, or set it to a cron.
[10:18] <chrismy> delire, hold on
[10:18] <delire> chrismy: this is the first time your compiling software on linux. it will seem very confusing. hehe if you think this is bad, try compiling blender on windows (yuk).
[10:18] <darkheart> reiki_work You can do either/or I believe. You can set it to fetch after a certain period or just call it explicitly.
[10:19] <gigaclon> crimsun, didn't work, the sound in my program has a lot of noise it in
[10:19] <chrismy> delire, heheh yeah i know i am dying! :P windows???? yewwwwwww
[10:19] <mihai> EasterSunshine: have what ?
[10:19] <reiki_work> darkheart: will it just automagically find a.fetchmailrc in my home folder?
[10:19] <crimsun> gigaclon: you never answered my question
[10:20] <gigaclon> 0 snd_intel8x0
[10:20] <gigaclon> sorry
[10:20] <delire> chrismy: you are being quite brave ;)
[10:20] <darkheart> reiki_work Not sure actually, I'm sure you can google for that. Might have to call it explicitly the first time or something.
[10:20] <randy> When running gthumb like this 'sudo gthumb' I can then import my photos.
[10:20] <crimsun> gigaclon: and are you using the ALSA version in Hoary?
[10:20] <gigaclon> i gueess
[10:20] <chrismy> delire, huh? i am being quite brave???? how so?
[10:20] <crimsun> gigaclon: then try using alsa-source
[10:21] <EasterSunshine> mihai: the more ram you have, the more it will be willing to take up
[10:21] <crimsun> !tell gigaclon about alsa-source
[10:21] <reiki_work> darkheart: been a long time since I did this. It's really a single-user machine so I think I can use a system .fetchmailrc in /etc .... can't remember... must install more ram (the 52-year old stuff seems to be giving out )
[10:21] <EasterSunshine> mihai: its an attempt to be faster
[10:21] <delire> reiki_work see the line 61 in /etc/init.d/fetchmail. the '.. -d 300' is the poll interval.
[10:21] <reiki_work> delire: thanks.. I can look there
[10:21] <to0om> does anybody of you know how to turn acpi on in ubuntu? i had to turn it off before the installation because otherwise it wouldn't have worked
[10:22] <chrismy> delire, come on what do you mean i am being quiet brave???
[10:22] <delire> chrismy: compiling software from source is brave for a new user
[10:22] <reiki_work> delire: I just wasn't sure how fetchmail would know to look in a user's home directory at their fetchmailrc
[10:22] <jorgp2> what is a good gnome based bittorrent client?
[10:22] <darkheart> reiki_work I'm a fan of putting personal settings in my ~ dir...Even if it is a single user machine =)
[10:22] <reiki_work> darkheart: ok... man fetchmail it is then :)
[10:22] <chrismy> delire, erm..no new user compile before anything?
[10:22] <delire> reiki_work: i use a ~/.fetchmailrc and have 'set daemon 300' to set my poll interval
[10:22] <reiki_work> delire: ok thanks
[10:23] <chrismy> delire, how about those people you teach?
[10:23] <delire> chrismy: blender can be a little tricky to compile. my students certainly never compile blender. they grab the debian package.
[10:23] <randy> The camera is detected fine.  Is this a USB Problem?
[10:23] <d2dchat> where are fonts located ?
[10:24] <delire> chrismy: you are on an amd64 however, there is no packaged blender for that platform. i don't even think there is a statically linked version.
[10:25] <chrismy> delire, so as i. but they are having AFAIK blender . that is 64bit but alpha version
[10:25] <delire> chrismy: ahah
[10:25] <chrismy> delire, who are your students???!!! MEET ME! i will lecture them how to learn!
[10:25] <chrismy> delire, are they adults?
[10:26] <delire> chrismy: yes of course
[10:26] <tristanmike> d2dchat, usr/share/fonts
[10:26] <d2dchat> thanks:)
[10:26] <chrismy> delire, wow adults are afraid? hmm
[10:27] <tristanmike> yup, yup
[10:27] <dJNEvS> hello
[10:27] <aroman> I am having a problem with apt-get. I added the ubuntu-backports hoary-extras repositories (main restricted universe multiverse). I do apt-get update, I see it downloads the package lists, however I cannot install java - j2re1.5. The package *is* there, i can see it in a directory listing with my web browser of the backports archive, but apt-get says the package could not be found!
[10:27] <delire> chrismy: anyway, install all the development packages for the libraries listed in INSTALL and try a 'scons && sudo scons install' then try 'blender' from the command line. you should be in business.
[10:28] <delire> aroman: apt-cache search j2re. is it there?
[10:28] <dJNEvS> what is the default root password? just installed ubuntu, but couldnt enter a root pass in installation
[10:28] <delire> dJNEvS: there is none
[10:28] <dJNEvS> uhu
[10:28] <dJNEvS> huh
[10:28] <dJNEvS> ?
[10:28] <sean_> delire: you know where i can find the apt sources list for breezy?
[10:28] <darkheart> dJNEvS Use your own password.
[10:28] <vectradailha> alquem e do brasil
[10:28] <delire> dJNEvS: use sudo, or *if you must* 'sudo passwd root'.
[10:28] <vectradailha> alquem e do brasil
[10:28] <dJNEvS> k
[10:28] <Xenguy> !root
[10:28] <ubotu> somebody said root was disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:28] <vectradailha> alquem e do brasil
[10:29] <delire> sean_: no, i don't use breezy. i'll use it when it's ready.
[10:29] <sean_> lol alrgiht :) thx anyway
[10:29] <robotgeek> aroman: try using another mirror for the backports
[10:29] <dJNEvS> thanks
[10:29] <aroman> delire, no it is not
[10:29] <redguy> delire: you still here? urge to help I suppose? :-)
[10:29] <aroman> robotgeek, hmm I'll try
[10:29] <delire> redguy: hehe late here, have to go soon.
[10:30] <gigaclon> thanks, crimsun
[10:30] <Barry> Greetings. I'm trying to install Idle, the Python IDE, in hoary. I've been to http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/python/idle but the file I downloaded doesn't seem to have anything in it. I'm at a loss as to how to install it.
[10:31] <chrismy> delire, well i am trying with the help of the blender developer and a coder himself
[10:31] <chrismy> delire, i think you better.....before you get kicked coz.....are...
[10:31] <ivanoden> i see that http://packages.ubuntu.com/ have a lot of packages. is there any way to use it as a repository
[10:31] <robotgeek> Barry: get the listing of files install by doing dpkg -L <package-name> and see where the file is
[10:32] <crimsun> Barry: it should be as straightforward as 'sudo aptitude install idle-python2.4'
[10:32] <delire> chrismy: ?
[10:32] <chrismy> delire, yes?
[10:32] <GeoffDeGeoff> Hi, does anyone know of any reasons why I can no longer play wmv files (I get the problem windows media 9 codecs not installed), however it is installed and I had been playing wmv players fine. I have tried switching to gstreamer from xine but no look
[10:32] <GeoffDeGeoff> anyone any ideas?
[10:32] <randy> Can someone tell me what the 'mount' point is for a usb camera?
[10:32] <sammie> hi
[10:32] <ivanoden> i see that http://packages.ubuntu.com/ have a lot of packages. is there any way to use it as a repository
[10:32] <delire> chrismy: the sentence you wrote above was strange. no matter. good luck.
[10:32] <ivanoden> i see that http://packages.ubuntu.com/ have a lot of packages. is there any way to use it as a repository?
[10:32] <nalioth> GeoffDeGeoff: can you play the same wmv that you played b4?
[10:33] <crimsun> randy: it's usually a mass storage device, so /dev/sdXX
[10:33] <GeoffDeGeoff> nalioth - I cant play any, can play mpegs ok but no wmvs
[10:33] <nalioth> ivanoden: they are all the pkgs you can access using the existing official repos
[10:33] <crimsun> ivanoden: that's only the Web presentation of archive.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <randy> crimsum: Thanks
[10:33] <Barry> crimsun -- that seems to be doing it. Thanks!
[10:33] <sammie> hiiiio
[10:33] <nalioth> GeoffDeGeoff: have you played wmv b4 now? on your ubuntu box?
[10:33] <ivanoden> oh,
[10:33] <GeoffDeGeoff> nalioth, yeah it used to be working fine
[10:34] <aroman> hmm I itried using another backports mirror, but I still cannot install sun-j2re1.5 package... apt-get just doesn't see it! :(
[10:34] <aroman> and yes, I ran apt-get update
[10:34] <crimsun> why do that?
[10:34] <crimsun> you can just create your own sun-j2re1.5
[10:34] <ivanoden> but i search and find out acroread ( but sudo apt-get install acroread doesn't work)
[10:34] <ivanoden> why's that?
[10:34] <Coyctecm> Is it wise to use backports?
[10:34] <sammie> hello everyone
[10:34] <Coyctecm> I never used them..
[10:35] <nalioth> GeoffDeGeoff: so the same wmvs you've played b4, no longer work?
[10:35] <sean_> ok... here comes breezy lol, wish me luck
[10:35] <tristanmike> aroman, they are from the extras, have you been here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport ?
[10:35] <crimsun> Coyctecm: there are different answers. Personally, if you tend to want the latest and greatest, you're probably better off using the devel branch.
[10:35] <aroman> sean_, bye bye :P
[10:35] <sammie> HELLLLLLLLLO
[10:35] <sean_> lol yeah i know lol
[10:35] <ivanoden> crimsun, but i search and find out acroread ( but sudo apt-get install acroread doesn't work)
[10:35] <GeoffDeGeoff> nalioth - yup. Its very annoying
[10:35] <aroman> tristanmike, I have the extras repository:
[10:35] <aroman> hoary-extras
[10:35] <ivanoden> can you tell me why?
[10:35] <Coyctecm> crimsun: I agree =)
[10:35] <crimsun> ivanoden: did you check the other repositories?
[10:35] <ivanoden> crimsun
[10:35] <sammie> am i invisible?
[10:35] <ivanoden> other repo?
[10:36] <ivanoden> example?
[10:36] <BuzW>  Not to me, sammie.
[10:36] <crimsun> sammie: did you ask a question?...
[10:36] <sammie> cheers
[10:36] <redguy> sammie: you expect 523 people on this channel to reply 'hello' to your hello ?
[10:36] <ivanoden> i have remove # from the source.list
[10:36] <crimsun> ivanoden: hoary-extras...
[10:36] <delire> hehe
[10:36] <delire> sammie: hi
[10:36] <sammie> no sorry, just wanted to talk :(
[10:36] <ivanoden> is it enought
[10:36] <sammie> im new
[10:36] <Coyctecm> crimsum: what about universe and multiverse?
[10:36] <nalioth> GeoffDeGeoff: yes, we hates advances when advances break stuff
[10:36] <cybx> sammie: new to what
[10:36] <chapeaurouge> anyone running ubuntu on enlightenment?
[10:36] <crimsun> Coyctecm: they're Ubuntu repos, so they should be fine.
[10:36] <sammie> ubuntu
[10:37] <randy> crimsum: Odd.  I have no sdxx in /dev.  I only have ide drives.
[10:37] <GeoffDeGeoff> nalioth - eh?
[10:37] <crimsun> chapeaurouge: err, the other way around?
[10:37] <ivanoden> or where i can get other repositories?
[10:37] <sammie> sorry redguy
[10:37] <chapeaurouge> ya
[10:37] <cybx> sammie: so any questions, i mean, what do you want to talk about exactly?
[10:37] <Coyctecm> Oh they are ubuntu repos...I was thinking that they are debian repos :P
[10:37] <Coyctecm> good =)
[10:37] <nalioth> GeoffDeGeoff: if wmv played b4, and now they do not (the same file(s)), then an update seems to have bodgered your wmv capability
[10:37] <delire> ivanoden: the ones you have including multiverse should be more than sufficient.
[10:37] <GeoffDeGeoff> nalioth - any ideas what I can try to resolve
[10:37] <sammie> its ok ill just read what everone putting :)
[10:38] <redguy> sammie: no problem :-)
[10:38] <delire> sammie: nothing wrong with being new.
[10:38] <ivanoden> delire, can you show me that?
[10:38] <sammie> :)
[10:38] <nalioth> GeoffDeGeoff: no idea, i was just gettin more info out of you for others to see the problem
[10:38] <delire> ivanoden: have a look in the wiki for examples. there's plenty there about this.
[10:38] <sean_> if i die... it means breezy was  a no go lol
[10:38] <tristanmike> aroman, can you place your sources.list on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[10:39] <iceman-AMD64> whats best video player for ubuntu
[10:39] <redguy> !tell ivanoden about repos
[10:39] <SolidRaven> i reached a new level in trying to get ndiswrapper to work
[10:39] <Coyctecm> I use totem-xine
[10:39] <SolidRaven> now if i type modprobe ndiswrapper my comp freezes
[10:39] <butcherbird> iceman: I like VLC :)
[10:39] <iceman-AMD64> cant get mpg's to play in totam
[10:40] <MrBrdo> SolidRaven read the ndiswrapper wiki
[10:40] <delire> ivanoden: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[10:40] <SolidRaven> MrBrdo > i did that
[10:40] <SolidRaven> how do you think i actualy got it to load a driver :p
[10:40] <MrBrdo> SolidRaven do you have that 8k stuff enabled in the kernel?
[10:40] <cybx> I've got some trouble configuring my MIDI sound. I'm not sure if my soundcard is capable of playing midi on its own, but I learned about some software synthesizers(do you write it like that) I should be able to use, but that doesn't work out somehow. Is anybody arround how installed MIDI manually??
[10:40] <IcemanV9> i cannot burn 700 cdrw disc, but can do 650 cdrw. is that bug on hardware OR software??
[10:40] <ivanoden> thanks, redguy :D
[10:41] <iceman-AMD64> totam will not play mpg's ...
[10:41] <SolidRaven> cybx > what sound card do you have?
[10:41] <MrBrdo> for me it worked without having to change the ubuntu kernel (hoary 5.4), but i compiled the package myself (for amd64)
[10:41] <aroman> tristanmike, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1562
[10:41] <crimsun> cybx: check the midi pages on alsa.opensrc.org
[10:41] <MrBrdo> iceman-AMD64: there is an entry for that in the wiki
[10:41] <SolidRaven> c-media cards need the drivers :)
[10:41] <dbernar1> hm...I have the right md5sum for the breezy colony 3 install CD, but when installing the base system, I get an error...and cant install the base system...WOnder what to do...
[10:41] <cybx> I don't know exactly, it's an onboard soundcard, crimsun: do I need alsa, or is there away of using OSS?
[10:41] <delire> does anyone know if transcode now runs on the amd64 platform?
[10:42] <dbernar1> I may just try burning the CD again,..
[10:42] <dbernar1> ...;)
[10:42] <aroman> tristanmike, find anything wrong? :(
[10:42] <MrBrdo> SolidRaven try to compile the package yourself.. i think ndiswrapper has the "debian" folder.. (so you just do make, debuild) and dpkg -i new_package.deb
[10:42] <SolidRaven> delire > you can run 32 bit ubuntu on 64bit machine normaly
[10:43] <shinu> how could i reinstall grub when i cant load linux on a laptop without a floppy drive?
[10:43] <delire> SolidRaven: yes, transcode was an exception to this i seem to recall
[10:43] <dbernar1> crimsun: do you know whether there is a difference between the packages installed as base system during a server and a desktop install?
[10:43] <MrBrdo> SolidRaven but it takes a lot of disk space ;)
[10:43] <tristanmike> aroman, you have the wrong backports
[10:43] <MrBrdo> oh sorry
[10:43] <MrBrdo> misinterpreted
[10:43] <tristanmike> aroman, that is to say, it is different than mine and mine works
[10:44] <cvrefugee> How do you display the local disks when in Live mode?
[10:44] <crimsun> dbernar1: yes, there's a big difference between ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-desktop
[10:44] <aroman> tristanmike, umm.. so what's yours?
[10:44] <tristanmike> aroman, assuming you're Hoary x86
[10:44] <aroman> tristanmike, yup, hoary x86
[10:44] <MrBrdo> cvrefugee by going to Nautilus?
[10:44] <dbernar1> crimsun: in the base install as well? Ok, Ill try that then, I guess.. is there a wayu to check whether an ISO was burned onto a CD correct?
[10:45] <crimsun> dbernar1: md5sum hopefully matches
[10:45] <tristanmike> aroman, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1563 the difference is in the backports, check you addresses vs. mine
[10:45] <dbernar1> crimsun: ya, checked.
[10:45] <dbernar1> for the ISO, and the one they have shown on the web site, that is..
[10:46] <aroman> tristanmike, I had the mirrormax mirror and that didn't work either! :(
[10:46] <dbernar1> those two match, my ISO file, and the md5sum they have shown for that ISO on the website.
[10:46] <tristanmike> aroman, it could have just been down, it worked for me
[10:46] <tristanmike> aroman, hmmm
[10:47] <Trackilizer> Just how stable is the new Ubuntu version?
[10:47] <ivanoden> redguy, i follow the wiki how to, but i check and can't find out acroread from synaptics (updated) but it appear on packages.ubuntu.com
[10:47] <Trackilizer> Is it worth updating to?
[10:47] <delire> ivanoden: did you update?
[10:47] <ivanoden> updated
[10:48] <dbernar1> crimsun: there is a md5sum.txt file on the CD... it contains a long list, does that have any information for me?
[10:48] <Trackilizer> or just stick to my current version of Ubuntu?
[10:48] <ivanoden> it's only acroread-plugin and mozilla-acroread
[10:48] <redguy> ivanoden: let me see...
[10:48] <robotgeek> !breezy
[10:48] <ubotu> I guess breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[10:48] <ivanoden> redguy, you can see it on http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=acroread&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[10:48] <cvrefugee> MrBrdo, all I can see is cdrom and Filesystem
[10:49] <MrBrdo> so go to filesystem
[10:49] <MrBrdo> that's yer disk
[10:49] <Trackilizer> Well, what will be the major updates in the new version?
[10:49] <tristanmike> ivanoden, not according to my synaptic, it's a stand alone with plugins aside
[10:49] <MrBrdo> oh
[10:49] <MrBrdo> maybe you mean windows partitions?
[10:49] <MrBrdo> or linux?
[10:49] <ivanoden> stand alone
[10:49] <SolidRaven> how mutch mb is the download of the update from ubuntu 5.04 to 5.10
[10:49] <ivanoden> what does it mean
[10:49] <cvrefugee> Yes, windows partitions - NTFS
[10:49] <SolidRaven> i have like a bandwidht limit of 8.5gb / month so i need to look out
[10:50] <ivanoden> can i install it via apt-get
[10:50] <Trackilizer> Can one add more GUIs to the system?
[10:50] <MrBrdo> SolidRaven there's 5.10 out?
[10:50] <aroman> tristanmike, dude.. I used your *IDENTICAL* list and I just CAN'T install sun-j2re1.5... This is WEIRD
[10:50] <redguy> ivanoden: well, it says there that acroread is in multiverse repository. you sure that you have it enabled? also dod you do sudo apt-get update after changing the sorces.list file?
[10:50] <Trackilizer> add KDE to the Gnome i use atm
[10:50] <Juhaz> SolidRaven, that would depend on how much you've got installed, no?
[10:50] <tristanmike> ivanoden, that I have acroread AND the acroread-mozilla plugin, they are seperate
[10:50] <MrBrdo> aroman maybe you're on a different architecture (like amd64)
[10:50] <Trackilizer> so, all i would have to do is use Synaptic to install KDE?
[10:50] <cvrefugee> Is it possible to view NTFS partitions from the Live DVD?
[10:50] <SolidRaven> Juhaz > standart install + ndiswrapper ;)
[10:50] <delire> cvrefugee: yes
[10:50] <MrBrdo> Juhaz i think 5.10 only means base..
[10:51] <MrBrdo> cvrefugee yes
[10:51] <aroman> MrBrdo, if I were on amd64, I would be very perplexed why it installed on my x86 machine...
[10:51] <mitsuhiko> SolidRaven: it's called standard :)
[10:51] <MrBrdo> cvrefugee read-only
[10:51] <ivanoden> redguy, i had do sudo apt-get update
[10:51] <MrBrdo> aroman no need to be rude.. i'm trying to help
[10:51] <ivanoden> then sudo apt-get install acroread
[10:51] <SolidRaven> mitsuhiko > if you know english is like my fourth language i think i do quite well ;)
[10:51] <ivanoden> what's wrong?
[10:51] <aroman> MrBrdo, didn't mean to be rude.., sorry
[10:51] <MrBrdo> aroman i didn't know you were on x86
[10:51] <tristanmike> ivanoden, acroread is not dependent on the mozilla plugin. I thought you said that you meant you couldn't get "acroread" and just the plugins...if not, sorry
[10:51] <cvrefugee> Where exactly can I see these partitions?  I don't mean to be such a n00b at this :(
[10:51] <aroman> MrBrdo, just that this is very frustrating because it should work (as it did many times before one almost identical machines)
[10:52] <MrBrdo> cvrefugee you have to mount them
[10:52] <tristanmike> aroman, not in synaptic?
[10:52] <aroman> tristanmike, no.. tried synaptic as well
[10:52] <dbernar1> aroman: what package?
[10:52] <ivanoden> tristanmike: iknow that it's not depend on mozila plugins
[10:52] <robotgeek> so to upgrade to breezy, all i need to do is replace all hoary by breezy in my source.list, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:52] <tristanmike> ivanoden, sorry, that's how I interpreted it, my apologies
[10:52] <aroman> robotgeek, plus getting it to work after that...
[10:52] <ivanoden> the 2 packs above is all isee when search with keyword acroread
[10:52] <delire> (crazy kids upgrading all over the place)
[10:53] <ivanoden> ok, thank also
[10:53] <ivanoden> tristanmake
[10:53] <dbernar1> robotgeek: all you need is a separate partition, to install breezy onto, cause you are likely to break your csystem...
[10:53] <aroman> robotgeek, if you have a desktop system, it will most likely just work. For a laptop.. I don't know...
[10:53] <robotgeek> dbernar1: i have a separate /home
[10:53] <tristanmike> ivanoden, when I search acroread, I get 5 files
[10:53] <dbernar1> robotgeek: ok, back up your /var/www as well.
[10:53] <aroman> dbernar1, sun-j2re1.5
[10:54] <robotgeek> dbernar1: don't have one!
[10:54] <delire> or latest != greatest
[10:54] <dbernar1> aroman: well, thats in hoary-extras, and nowhere else. Follow the instructions on the wiki.ubuntu.com/Java fail-proof.
[10:54] <ivanoden> really
[10:54] <ivanoden> ?
[10:54] <icewt> i just installed xfce4. what is the easiest way to use it?
[10:54] <dbernar1> aroman: just may have to read it a few more times...
[10:54] <robotgeek> okay, maybe later...i'll put it off for a week or so :)
[10:54] <ivanoden> have i add the repo not enough?
[10:54] <dbernar1> aroman: is this computer a normal x86 arch?
[10:55] <aroman> dbernar1, I've followed the instructions. I added the repositories. The computer is x86. apt-get update works with no errors.
[10:55] <MrBrdo> delire so how is breezy? is it still unstable\testing or stable?
[10:55] <icewt> !xfce4
[10:55] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, icewt
[10:55] <icewt> !xfce
[10:55] <ubotu> xfce is, like, totally, a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[10:55] <robotgeek> !info xfce4
[10:55] <ubotu> xfce4: (The Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1.1-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[10:55] <dbernar1> aroman: ok, lets do it together, cause this is a few seconds, really.
[10:55] <aroman> dbernar1, so I thought a few hours ago...
[10:55] <delire> MrBrdo: it's 7 months pregnant. 2 to go.
[10:55] <redguy> ivanoden: paste your sources.list to ubuntu.pastebin.com please.
[10:55] <dbernar1> aroman: :)
[10:56] <ivanoden> tristanmike: i just add hoary-extras repo and remove last 2# from source.list
[10:56] <aroman> dbernar1, I've done this many times before, but never have I had this problem... it seems that none of the packages on backports show up as they should
[10:56] <ivanoden> is it enough?
[10:56] <MrBrdo> ah so after 2 months it will be a "real" release?
[10:56] <ivanoden> redguy, ok i will
[10:56] <delire> MrBrdo: October 20 i am guessing
[10:56] <MrBrdo> cool, thx
[10:57] <dbernar1> aroman: add the following line to your sources.list. deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:57] <dbernar1> then update your package list.
[10:57] <delire> MrBrdo: until the stable, official release Ubuntu Breezy will be a distribution only for testing.
[10:57] <dbernar1> then, install sun-j2sdk1.5 , has to work, no way it wont.
[10:57] <randy> Hmm.  Must be a permission thing somewhere.  I can only import my pictures from my camera as 'sudo'
[10:58] <dbernar1> aroman: any luck?
[10:59] <lyly> hi!
[10:59] <dbernar1> hey
[10:59] <aroman> dbernar1, did that, nope cannot find package sun-j2re1.5
[10:59] <aroman> :(
[10:59] <dbernar1> hm...let me uninstall mine for a sec...
[10:59] <redguy> !find sun-j2re1.5
[10:59] <aroman> this is really weird...
[10:59] <delire> lyly: hi
[10:59] <lyly> I try to have realplayer work. some one did it?
[10:59] <robotgeek> maybe it is a good idea to try out the Breezy Live CD :) safety first!
[11:00] <ivanoden> !find sun-j2re1.5
[11:00] <dbernar1> lyly: there is a page on the wiki, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats that shows how to get that working.
[11:00] <aroman> robotgeek, nah, your system won't be broken, maybe just X but that's fixable...
[11:00] <delire> robotgeek: yes, wise. breezy is currently built atop testing/unstable software.
[11:00] <lyly> yes but my rpoblem is I installed it from marillat repo and some codecs dont work
[11:01] <delire> realplayer is best for realplayer files
[11:01] <dbernar1> lyly: go to the wiki, and install it from the normal way...and it shall work. remove all what you did before...unless the wiki says that marillat is how you install it anyhow:)
[11:01] <delire> mplayer, xine etc for the rest.
[11:02] <aroman> and does anyone know how (or if it is possible) to get RandR extension working for Xorg 6.8.2?
[11:02] <delire> hehe ambitious
[11:02] <dbernar1> aroman: it really is not there.
[11:02] <tristanmike> aroman, sorry, that worked?
[11:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'sun-j2re1.5' returned no results.
[11:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'sun-j2re1.5' returned no results.
[11:03] <aroman> dbernar1, garh...
[11:03] <chrismy> delire, yes and ompaul found 2 bugs
[11:03] <aroman> dbernar1, wth is going on? :S
[11:03] <lyly> the fact is that the normal way have no uninstaller
[11:03] <redguy> gosh, poor ubotu
[11:03] <redguy> !botsnack
[11:03] <ubotu> thanks redguy :)
[11:03] <delire> chrismy: it compiles fine on x86 here. what were the bugs?
[11:04] <aroman> dbernar1, however... http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/ <- how do you explain that? :S I can't
[11:04] <dbernar1> aroman: that one has it?
[11:04] <aroman> dbernar1, not when I add it to sources.list...
[11:05] <dbernar1> ok
[11:05] <aroman> dbernar1, but it shows it there in the web browser...
[11:05] <dbernar1> its not in extras atm, it seems.
[11:05] <dbernar1> just download it.
[11:05] <lyly> some one could give me a copy of the pluginreg.dat file? just to have a look
[11:06] <Tatster> hi - I have a small mount problem  - I have an entry in /etc/fstab that reads  /dev/sda1       /scsi           ext3    rw      0       0   however this does not get mounted at boot time. Any ideas what I should check?
[11:07] <chrismy> delire, not sure you ahve to ask ompaul. he is not here now i guess and he doesn't talk to me much
[11:07] <redguy> Tatster: you might check man fstab
[11:07] <redguy> Tatster: while reading that, you might want to look for auto option
[11:07] <pablasso> hi guys.. a question here, i can access any port of any computer, but for some reason i cant access port 80 (web pages port) what could it be besides a firewall?
[11:08] <chrismy> delire, ok i am on my own now......searching for bugs in blender codes.....sob sob....this is ridiculous!
[11:08] <sean_> router
[11:08] <sean_> pablasso, check ure router maybe?
[11:08] <tristanmike> aroman, are you running a 64bit system?
[11:08] <aroman> tristanmike, for the lat time, no... lol
[11:08] <leon> Anybody running Breezy?
[11:08] <pablasso> ya... i have checked it, another computer doesnt have problems just me
[11:08] <delire> chrismy: i doubt they are bugs, i am fairly sure they are libraries missing on your machine during the compilation process.
[11:09] <sean_> leon,  installing breezy as we speak
[11:09] <tristanmike> aroman, lol, sorry, I didn't see you see that...lol
[11:09] <tristanmike> *say
[11:09] <htrujillo> hi friends... i'm trying to install the jre but don't install
[11:09] <guupsta> lol?
[11:09] <htrujillo> i already add the extra repositories
[11:09] <chrismy> delire, can't cheat you eh...heheh. trying to be blender-wanna-be :P
[11:09] <aroman> tristanmike, it's okay, just that everyone has been asking that
[11:09] <htrujillo> but don't work
[11:09] <aroman> another victim..
[11:09] <vader1102> I won't install Breezy untill it is released in October
[11:09] <leon> sean_, do you get the warning of Color name 'black'
[11:09] <aroman> htrujillo, welcome to the club
[11:09] <htrujillo> hi
[11:09] <chrismy> delire, but i just do not know what and how....
[11:09] <tristanmike> aroman, lol, no problem, next time just smack me with a trout
[11:09] <htrujillo> lol
[11:09] <aroman> it seems there's some problems with backports..
[11:09] <ElBarono> is breezy usable now?
[11:09] <aroman> tristanmike, no need for that, not your fault
[11:10] <chrismy> Bone.h
[11:10] <delire> chrismy: well it's a shame you have to _compile_ blender. very few people compile blender anymore (other than developers).
[11:10] <htrujillo> some codecs have problems too
[11:10] <htrujillo> don't install
[11:10] <lyly> ElBarono: I'm using it now since colony 3 it s pretty goog
[11:10] <robotgeek> delire: ppl at #gentoo do it all the tim :)
[11:10] <robotgeek> /tim/time
[11:10] <delire> hehe
[11:10] <dbernar1> ya, the java sdk, not jre, is not there atm...
[11:10] <dbernar1> they have the sdk, not re.
[11:11] <ivanoden> dbernar1, i followed your guide but still can't install sun-j2re1.5
[11:11] <sean_> leon, no not yet, maybe when i reboot here in 20min
[11:11] <dbernar1> ivanoden: ya, its not working atm.
[11:11] <htrujillo> ivanoden... same problem
[11:11] <ivanoden> dbernar1, any idea?
[11:11] <dbernar1> you can make your own package easy, tho.
[11:11] <htrujillo> don't know what happens...
[11:11] <ivanoden> htrujillo, okie
[11:11] <leon> sean_, ok, thank you. This bug is hanging around for a while
[11:11] <ivanoden> not important
[11:11] <tristanmike> aroman, since you've tried a bit already, would it be wrong to assume that you haven't seen this thread... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59229&highlight=java
[11:11] <ivanoden> you can install your own
[11:11] <dbernar1> ivanoden: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java it has a link to show how to install java in a manual way, using chroot, and stuff.
[11:12] <ivanoden> thanks, i will install manually
[11:12] <sean_> leon, damn, ill have to keep a close eye out for it when i reboot here, im just finishing up the apt upgrade
[11:12] <aroman> tristanmike, oooh
[11:12] <tristanmike> aroman, comment #15 being the most important one
[11:13] <leon> sean_, all the updates just make breezy better so far
[11:13] <qatsi> hello everybody !....im having some trubbles with Ubuntu. I installed it, then installed windows and the mootloader was overwriten, so i cant acces my Ubuntu system. How can i install the grub loader again ???. Already tried with install disk, but it says that im skiping some steps and my system wont work and bla bla...any idea ?
[11:13] <aroman> tristanmike, I know I can build my own, but why doesn't this work, I wonder? bug in apt-get?  problem with backports? hmm
[11:14] <dbernar1> aroman: just not in the repo...
[11:14] <delire> qatsi: you'll need to use a LiveCD, chroot into your ubuntu partition and reinstall grub.
[11:14] <philips> Do I need to do anything if I add a file to /etc/modprobe.d ?  update-modules just calls update-modules.modutils which doesn't exists
[11:15] <tristanmike> aroman, I would have no idea, mine works fine as does many others, but it also seems that many others have a problem too, hardware related? :s
[11:15] <Stiivi> hi
[11:15] <sean_> leon, cool, breezys not far off now, should be almost stable id imagine
[11:15] <qatsi> delire ok, i know how to do that in Linux Gentoo, but in Ubuntu its an unknown matter for me. Is it something like chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash   then grub--no-floppy ?
[11:15] <aroman> tristanmike, hardware-related wouldn't make sense
[11:15] <Stiivi> i have problems with printing on a windows machine from ubuntu through samba
[11:16] <tristanmike> aroman, but neither does this really.....
[11:16] <Stiivi> it does not print
[11:16] <leon> sean_, it's my only production system. So far so good
[11:16] <Tatster41> Sorry - my connection got dumped - did anyone reply to my question about my mount problem
[11:16] <robotgeek> burning the live cd as we speak :)
[11:16] <Stiivi> /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip crashes
[11:16] <sean_> really leon? u run breezy as a production system? you got gonads :) props to you :)
[11:16] <Stiivi> does anyone have similar experienc?
[11:17] <bagpuss_thecat> does anyone fancy testing out my k3ddesktop package for ubuntu? :-p
[11:17] <vader1102> I tried SuSe on my p2 366 last night...yuk, it was a BEAST as in extremely SLOW lol
[11:17] <vader1102> <----sticks with Hoary
[11:17] <sean_> vader1102,  i run ubunutu on a 333celeron, runs great
[11:17] <leon> sean_, because I can ssh to unix workstation and rdp to windowx xp too.
[11:17] <philips> sean_: I run breezy on a production system too
[11:17] <bagpuss_thecat> http://lodge.glasgownet.com/?permalink=20050823214621 if anyone is interested
[11:17] <leon> philips, hands
[11:17] <sean_> wow :) cool guys, big kahunas :)
[11:17] <Gorth> hey guys is there a simple way to enable ssh in ubuntu??
[11:17] <delire> qatsi: not exactly no, just chroot / && grub-install should do it
[11:18] <delire> qatsi: from memory
[11:18] <qatsi> delire ok, thanx, ill do it :)
[11:18] <leon> philips, do you get a warning like this "Warning: Color name "balck" is not defined" when running 'xterm -fg black'
[11:18] <NoUse> !ssh
[11:18] <ubotu> from memory, ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/"
[11:19] <robotgeek> leon: u typed it wrong while issuing the command
[11:19] <vader1102> sean_ I am running it on my same laptop and I agree it is great
[11:19] <Gorth> thanks ubotu
[11:19] <Gorth> erm
[11:19] <Gorth> NoUse
[11:19] <NoUse> np
[11:19] <aroman> !randr
[11:19] <ubotu> No idea, aroman
[11:19] <aroman> !xrandr
[11:19] <ubotu> aroman: No idea
[11:20] <leon> rob^, typo
[11:20] <sammie> byeee
[11:21] <leon> rob^, xterm -fg black gives a similar warning
[11:21] <leon> rob^, and emacs won't start
[11:22] <Tatster41> my mount problem is I have an entry in /etc/fstab that reads   /dev/sda1       /scsi           ext3    rw      0       0   however it does not mount after a reboot.  Any ideas?
[11:22] <robotgeek> leon: why, did u lose a ctrl key?
[11:22] <codecaine> what's good place to learn what the +e and +tncP all means for irc status?
[11:23] <redguy> Tatster41: I answered your question once
[11:23] <leon> rob^, what ctrl key
[11:23] <delire> night all.
[11:23] <Tatster41> yeah my connection  got dumped right after I posted, so I missed it. Sorry.
[11:23] <robotgeek> leon: bad joke on emacs, sorry.
[11:24] <smite> hey, i set a command to be 1 in the gnome sessions startup dialog... and now gnome won't start... is there a way i can set it back to 50 or delete it?
[11:24] <hadi57> hi, anybody know if there a way to copy or synchronize shared smb folder on the network to local folder
[11:24] <robotgeek> smite: login using the default session in gdm
[11:24] <smite> robotgeek: ok
[11:24] <Tatster41> redguy: pls could you answer again!
[11:25] <redguy> Tatster41: read man fstab and look for a 'auto' option
[11:25] <leon> rob^, can you start emacs in breezy
[11:25] <gabi> hey ... got a prob with backports ... firfox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 update
[11:25] <smite> same error
[11:25] <Seveas> gabi, don't use the backports firefox...
[11:25] <smite> maybe i can log into fluxbox and start the sessions utility from the command line
[11:25] <Seveas> ubuntu has a real 1.0.6 in hoary-security
[11:25] <smite> ?
[11:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> every time my screen saver starts, it does something different, which is great, but when I see one I like, how do I know it's name?
[11:26] <robotgeek> smite: hmm, try it out and see if it works. else, someone will suggest something more drastic i guess
[11:26] <smite> aha, i logged into 'failsafe gnome' =D
[11:26] <vladuz976> anybody here uses e17?
[11:26] <cybx> > crimsum: thank you, that site worked for me!
[11:26] <robotgeek> smite: sorry, i meant that!
[11:27] <philips> how the heck do I disable F1 for gnome-help in gnome-terminal
[11:27] <NuWave> is there anyway i can load the hfsplus filesystem module on an x86 livecd of unbuntu? i'm trying to get the data off of a mac hdd that i have in a pc
[11:27] <gabi> which firefox then_
[11:27] <gabi> ?
[11:27] <Matooua> hi
[11:27] <robotgeek> philips: look at the keyboard shortcuts, Preferences -> KB Shortcuts
[11:28] <philips> robotgeek: it seems to only happen in gnome-terminal though
[11:28] <robotgeek> no idea, i don't use gnome terminal
[11:28] <philips> robotgeek: err actually in all gnome apps it does it
[11:29] <robotgeek> then it might be set in the kb shortcuts, disable it
[11:29] <philips> robotgeek: nope, it isn't in there
[11:29] <robotgeek> hmm, interesting and irritating at the same time. no idea, sorry!
[11:30] <robotgeek> maybe nautilus has something to do with that?
[11:30] <philips> robotgeek: it sucks when using vim
[11:30] <philips> robotgeek: constantly hit f1 instead of esc
[11:31] <robotgeek> philips: yeah, look at nautilus properties, i am hoping that something wud be there
[11:34] <carambol> is netcraft toolbar safe?
[11:34] <esc_ape> what are some good alternatives to nautilus?
[11:35] <carambol> gnomebaker?
[11:36] <carambol> graveman
[11:36] <chavo> esc_ape, a red hot stick in your eye
[11:36] <redguy> konqueror
[11:36] <tristanmike> pointed too
[11:36] <liquidfire> hey i just installed ubuntu in server mode
[11:36] <esc_ape> nautilus keeps crashing on me
[11:36] <hadi57> any body know any program to synchronize to folders on the network and on local driver?
[11:36] <liquidfire> but when i try to do apt-get i can't download any package
[11:37] <EasterSunshine> apt-get install apt-get?
[11:37] <liquidfire> hmm
[11:37] <liquidfire> i'll try
[11:37] <EasterSunshine> i was kidding...
[11:37] <redguy> liquidfire: how come? you have internet connectivity?
[11:37] <liquidfire> apt-get update/upgrade works
[11:37] <liquidfire> :/
[11:37] <liquidfire> I have
[11:37] <liquidfire> maybe i am missing some command
[11:37] <carambol> somebody has experiences with netcraft toolbar
[11:37] <liquidfire> i type sudo apt-get kdm
[11:37] <carambol> ?
[11:38] <liquidfire> it gives a error
[11:38] <redguy> liquidfire: try sudo apt-get install kdm
[11:38] <liquidfire> k
[11:38] <poningru> guys question
[11:38] <liquidfire> thanks redguy that worked
[11:38] <liquidfire> :)
[11:38] <liquidfire> Just started from the scratch hehe
[11:38] <poningru> why cant I take a screenshot when there is a drop down being selected?
[11:39] <liquidfire> don't want everything on it
[11:39] <poningru> for example
[11:39] <liquidfire> ^_^
[11:39] <redguy> liquidfire: do install from now on :-)
[11:39] <poningru> go to http://www.dhnet.ufl.edu/forums/search.php
[11:39] <poningru> and click on one of the drop down things
[11:39] <liquidfire> Thanks I will redguy :>
[11:39] <poningru> and press your print screen button on your keyboard
[11:39] <poningru> nothing happens
[11:40] <poningru> but if you get out of the drop down it allows you to press the print screen and takes a screen shot
[11:40] <poningru> anyone have ideas why this is happening?
[11:40] <supernix> Uptime: 17 hours and 48 minutes
[11:40] <poningru> should I file a bug?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> sweatybob, please turn off your away message
[11:41] <sweatybob> ok sorry.
[11:41] <redguy> poningru: you might, sounds like a bug to me
[11:42] <rem__> .
[11:42] <tristanmike> poningru, yeah, i see what you mean
[11:42] <rem__> join @ipcop
[11:42] <Stiivi> is here someone experiencd with samba printing?
[11:42] <vladuz976> what window managers do you guys use?
[11:42] <liquidfire-serve> :)
[11:42] <EasterSunshine> vladuz976: kde
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> Thanks redguy
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> once again
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> ;)
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> Playing a bit with the packages now :D
[11:43] <EasterSunshine> vladuz976: but fluxbox seems to be gaining popularity, i might try that soon
[11:43] <codecaine> anyone tell me where to get info about what the +tncP commands etc... mean on irc?
[11:43] <vladuz976> EasterSunshine, really? fluxbox is getting faster i heard
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> whats fluxbox :o?
[11:43] <vladuz976> EasterSunshine, i used to have gnome but i didn't like it too much
[11:43] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: do you know about the rfc pages?
[11:43] <codecaine> yes
[11:43] <codecaine> i gotta read through those!
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> !info fluxbox
[11:44] <vladuz976> liquidfire, a window manager, pretty simple but good
[11:44] <ubuntu> The program "Wordpress" isn't availible in ubuntu?
[11:44] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[11:44] <butcherbird> fluxbox = bloated blackbox :)
[11:44] <liquidfire-serve> ah :)
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: i'm sure someone has summarized em for you somewhere though...the channel modes that is
[11:44] <liquidfire-serve> i'm trying to install kde what do i need besides kdm and kde ?
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: the thing with that is that there will be some "unofficial" chan modes that the rfc doesn't set a standard for
[11:44] <newbie> What other program that does something similar to wordpress is there?
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> newbie: openoffice.org and kword
[11:45] <EasterSunshine> newbie: actually, ignore that, i don't know what wordpress is...
[11:45] <liquidfire-serve> because i'm talking with irssi now
[11:45] <tristanmike> lol
[11:45] <mike_douglas> Google's Jabber server is live, anyone with a Jabber ID want to test it?
[11:45] <liquidfire-serve> i'm trying to install kde what do i need besides kdm and kde ? Anyone :)/
[11:46] <liquidfire-serve> ./=?
[11:46] <newbie> EasterSunshine, I figured that out. It's a wiki-sort of program. Have a look at it here (www.blomkvist.nu) to see what it does. I'm looking for something similar in ubuntu. I don't want to install anything.
[11:46] <newbie> EasterSunshine, ...install anything outside of the dpkg-tree.
[11:46] <Fingolfinn> hey do any of you have experience dual booting PPC ubuntu from an external hardrive
[11:46] <EasterSunshine> liquidfire: just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:47] <tristanmike> newbie, it's a blogging tool?
[11:47] <EasterSunshine> liquidfire: that will take care of dependencies and stuff
[11:47] <newbie> tristanmike, Sort of, I guess.
[11:47] <martinald> hi guys. is it possible to do an ftp install?
[11:47] <mary-kate> can someone please tell sammie that their nickname is already registered?
[11:47] <mary-kate> that i was the one who registered it?
[11:47] <EasterSunshine> newbie: i had read it as wordprossesor...
[11:48] <tristanmike> newbie, i don't know anything about that program, but a search in synaptic turned up blogtk
[11:48] <newbie> EasterSunshine, I understand. I first read it as WorLdPress which didn't make much sense either.
[11:48] <newbie> tristanmike, I'll have a look at blogtk then. =)
[11:48] <tristanmike> newbie, http://blogtk.sourceforge.net/
[11:48] <poningru> curses
[11:49] <poningru> are there any screenshot taking apps out there?
[11:49] <poningru> err the reps
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-screenshot
[11:49] <poningru> yeah thats not working
[11:49] <butcherbird> connection keeps dropping anyone tell me real quick how to do a constant ping? in windows/dos i would do 'ping -t'
[11:49] <poningru> take a look at my above conversation
[11:49] <poningru> from about 17:38
[11:49] <poningru> edt
[11:49] <newbie> tristanmike, Hmm, looks like blogtk is a helper app for programs like "Wordpress"... ;-)
[11:50] <poningru> HrdwrBoB: it seems to be a bug
[11:50] <tristanmike> newbie, oh, sorry
[11:50] <tristanmike> poningru, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12407
[11:50] <tristanmike> poningru, someone was just as annoyed as you
[11:50] <newbie> tristanmike, No worries. I came here for some help and any help is appreciated. =)
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: ah
[11:51] <EasterSunshine> mary-kate: /msg nickserv ghost the_nick_you_want_to_kill password
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: use gimp
[11:51] <tristanmike> newbie, but have a search in synaptic and change "look in" to name and description
[11:51] <tristanmike> newbie, if you don't know all ready that is :)
[11:51] <nalioth> EasterSunshine: heh, that is amusing
[11:52] <poningru> hmm let me try gimp
[11:52] <EasterSunshine> nalioth: err...why?
[11:52] <dmoyne> hello ! : I eventually succeded in connecting a Windows XP computer to a printer connected to a Linux computer where both machines are connected to a local network through a router ; to get the printer connected to the Windows machine I had to do this (a) "http://<server IP>:631/printers/name_of_printer" whereas the FAQ says  (b) "ipp://<server IP>/printers/name_of_printer" ! ; why can I not connect with (b) option ? ; is ipp protocole unk
[11:52] <sean_> what are the chances of my USB Zip drive working?
[11:52] <newbie> tristanmike, I'm all new to ubuntu and gnome. I've never used synaptic before. =)
[11:53] <tristanmike> newbie, cool, someone put me on to that idea about a week ago
[11:53] <EasterSunshine> sean_: it probably wont work immediately, but if you try at it for a couple of minutes, you will probably get it
[11:54] <poningru> ok yeah gimp worked thanks guys
[11:54] <vader1102> Gimp alwys works lol
[11:55] <tristanmike> ha
[11:55] <flugh> gimp is the stuff of legends
[11:55] <flugh> tyler durden uses gimp
[11:55] <tristanmike> lol
[11:55] <lillylegsandtoes> what is the comand for delete?
[11:55] <codecaine> rm
[11:55] <tristanmike> rm
[11:55] <lillylegsandtoes> thanks
[11:56] <Fingolfinn> come on, looking for people with experience dual booting PPC ubuntu on a firewire drive
[11:56] <Fingolfinn> please help lol
[11:57] <airmikey_> im trying to unzip theses rar files
[11:57] <EasterSunshine> lillylegsandtoes: you should alias rm='rm -i' so it will prompt you before deleting so that you will be safe and not delete lartge amounts of files by accident
[11:57] <newbie> tristanmike, It appears that wordpress is availible in universe. =)
[11:57] <tristanmike> good point EasterSunshine
[11:57] <EasterSunshine> airmikey_: do you know about unrar-nonfree?
[11:57] <airmikey_> i loaded both but not working
[11:58] <tristanmike> newbie, D'oh! never even checked there for THAT program specifically
[11:58] <kijo> is any1 using this "eluminX Illuminated Keyboard" ?
[11:58] <tristanmike> newbie, and if I had've scrolled down to the end, I woulda seen it, *shaking head in shame of himself*
[11:58] <feenster> Quick question from a complete newbie. How can I change the display resoloution of my Ubuntu live CD? Its too low at the moment
[11:59] <mary-kate> don't people identify to nickserv here?
[11:59] <ray_> ibm is giving code to firefox to help for 1.5
[11:59] <EasterSunshine> mary-kate: i identified to nickserv...if you don't, i think he'll change your nick to Guest40801 in like a minute
[11:59] <mary-kate> no it won't
[11:59] <mary-kate> already tried