[12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> well
[12:08] <EasterSunshine> Liquidfire-serve: i thought mandriva was good
[12:08] <ubuntu> now i use fedora core 3 and mandrake 10.2 (2005 LE)
[12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> i meant in comperison with windows
[12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> ;)
[12:08] <EasterSunshine> Liquidfire-serve: until i used ubuntu
[12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> comparison 
[12:08] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell BTJustice about sudo
[12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> how the heck do you spell that lol
[12:08] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell BTJustice about root
[12:08] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Well, I've used Mandriva and RedHat and I like this distro over the previous two
[12:08] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I'm planning on trying Gentoo someday as well
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> well
[12:09] <EasterSunshine> isn't gentoo a live distro/
[12:09] <ubuntu> yeah thnks ill give it a chance :)
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> i'm going to fool around in this easy distro
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> maybe when i know more
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> i'm going to customize other distro's
[12:09] <ubuntu> how long hav u been using linux
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> who me ?
[12:09] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine:  That only deals with Gnome
[12:09] <ubuntu> yes
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> 1 week
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> lol
[12:09] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: nope, works on kde as well
[12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> 1-2 weeks
[12:10] <ubuntu> yeah 
[12:10] <Liquidfire-serve> but I can see myself as fast learner
[12:10] <Liquidfire-serve> and linux is a new experience for me
[12:10] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: prepend root commands with sudo, and use sudo bash to bring a root sheel
[12:10] <Liquidfire-serve> and i like to learn :>
[12:10] <ubuntu> me too its been about 2 months now and im kinda stuck on mandrake 
[12:10] <ubuntu> im installing slackware 10.1 now 
[12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Ouch
[12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Powerful, but not exactly user friendly
[12:11] <ubuntu> yeah 3rd try is a charm
[12:11] <ubuntu> i found out th hard way 
[12:11] <EasterSunshine> i tried fedora once omg it was horrible beyond explanation...
[12:12] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> EasterSunshine: How come?
[12:12] <EasterSunshine> well not horrible, thats too harsh a word for a free operating system...it wasn't for me i guess
[12:12] <ubuntu> yeah i just got done with fedore core 3 and i didnt have any trouble
[12:12] <EasterSunshine> maybe if i went in and tried it again, i would like it better this time around
[12:12] <ubuntu> you ever got to www.linuxquestions.org
[12:13] <ubuntu> good help there
[12:13] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine: It doesn't work.  I cannot log into KDE with root account.
[12:14] <EasterSunshine> the root account is disabled, you can enable it, i think that link i sent you explains how
[12:14] <BTJustice> No, all that does is allow me to change the password
[12:14] <BTJustice> nothing else
[12:14] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about root
[12:15] <ubuntu> me?
[12:16] <BTJustice> And all the directions I have found deal only with allowing root log into Gnome
[12:16] <BTJustice> Gnome is gay
[12:16] <BTJustice> oy
[12:16] <ubuntu> yeah gnome sucks 
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I think BTJustice just discovered the next slogan for KDE 3.5 :)
[12:16] <EasterSunshine> argh...you are right...this isn't allowing me to root login to kde...
[12:17] <BTJustice> "Gnome is gay... OY... OY... OY..."
[12:17] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: why do you need to root login to kde anyway?
[12:17] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: theoretically, you would NEVER need to do that
[12:17] <BTJustice> I want to install ttf foonts and other stuff and I am goddamn sick of sudo commands
[12:17] <BTJustice> i am not good with the terminal
[12:17] <BTJustice> i am a gui guy
[12:17] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: do you know about kdesu?
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: You can do that in kcontrol
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> In a normal account too
[12:18] <BTJustice> i would just rather do it as root
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> You can
[12:18] <BTJustice> then log out adn log back in as normal user when i am done
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> There's a button in the fonts section labeled "Administrator Mode"
[12:18] <Liquidfire-serve> !dma
[12:19] <BTJustice> That's another too...
[12:19] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: do `kdesu kcontrol` it will launch a root kcontrol
[12:19] <chavo> BTJustice, mkdir ~/.fonts
[12:19] <chavo> cp font.ttf ~/.fonts
[12:19] <chavo> done
[12:19] <BTJustice> since i upgraded to kde 3.4.2
[12:19] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: Control Center -> System Administration -> Font Installer -> Administrator Mode
[12:20] <Liquidfire-serve> hmm
[12:20] <BTJustice> I don't have Control Center
[12:20] <BTJustice> it is gone
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Then just type kcontrol in konsole
[12:20] <BTJustice> Is ther e a way to put control center back on the menu
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Sure
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Right click on the menu and select Menu Editor
[12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Then edit to your heart's content
[12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> test
[12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> do you see this
[12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> :o
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> No
[12:22] <BTJustice> Rogue: Doing menu editor, I don;t see Control Center listed anywhere
[12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> hmm
[12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> sorry Rogue_Jedi_Zero 
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Just kidding
[12:22] <ubuntu> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> My internet connection is acting up
[12:23] <Liquidfire-serve> all slow etc
[12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: Then add it yourself
[12:23] <Liquidfire-serve> thought i had a timeout
[12:23] <Liquidfire-serve> :>
[12:23] <BTJustice> And also, doing Administrator Mode in Control Center retuirns me to original window
[12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Yes, but it should have a red outline
[12:23] <BTJustice> alright alright alright
[12:23] <BTJustice> i am going too fast.
[12:23] <BTJustice> first off, using menu editor, how do I re-add Control Center?
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: Click on New Item
[12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Command is kcontrol, in the Name field put in Control Center or whatever you want
[12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Click on the square to select an icon, then back at the menu editor click Save and you're done
[12:26] <MasterChief01> Hello, all.
[12:26] <BTJustice> ok, control center is back (kind of)
[12:26] <BTJustice> now how do I allow root to log into KDE?
[12:26] <Liquidfire-serve> !nvidia
[12:26] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[12:27] <ubuntu> to set a root account after install u can use a sudo user account by opening up a terminal (not as root) and type    sudo psswd root "enter" 
[12:27] <ubuntu> sudo psswd root
[12:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Why would you want that? You can do everything and I mean EVERYTHING with sudo and kdesudo
[12:27] <ubuntu> then enter
[12:28] <ubuntu> then sudo user psswd
[12:28] <ubuntu> enter
[12:28] <ubuntu> then enter root psswd 
[12:28] <MasterChief01> Can anyone help me with getting sound to work?
[12:28] <ubuntu> and reenter root psswd
[12:28] <BTJustice> ubuntu: Taht only works for Gnome
[12:28] <BTJustice> Now I am in the Login Manager as sudo in COntrol Center.
[12:29] <BTJustice> Can I enable it from there.
[12:29] <ubuntu> gnome only?
[12:29] <ubuntu> worked for mandrake using KDE
[12:29] <BTJustice> That's the bad thing about the Ubuntu Wiki and user guide, it assumes you are using Ubuntu (Gnome).
[12:29] <ubuntu> Wiki???
[12:30] <BTJustice> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[12:31] <BTJustice> Not that I am mad at Kubuntu, but I alsmost want to try a different distro that uses KDE by default and has a lot of help pages about KDE instead of f'ing Gnome.
[12:32] <ubuntu> mandrake 10.2 does
[12:32] <ubuntu> you set it up that way your self
[12:32] <ubuntu> very user friendly
[12:32] <BTJustice> ubuntu: Yeah I was thinking about trying Mandriva, but it is a big download.
[12:33] <BTJustice> I was going to get the DVD downlaod.
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> ubuntu: The package distribution is horrible, though
[12:33] <ubuntu> i got 10.0 10.1 and 10.2 
[12:33] <ubuntu> i buy the download versions for 17.95
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I last ran Mandriva 2005 LE
[12:33] <BTJustice> I like Kubuntu, though, it is nice and simple usually, lol
[12:33] <ubuntu> and got a training cd
[12:33] <BTJustice> but i do want to log into KDE as root.
[12:33] <BTJustice> just to make changes
[12:34] <BTJustice> then log out and back in as normal user after I am done
[12:36] <BTJustice> In KDE Login Manager > Users there is a list called hidden which has root and my account and some others with "@" in fromt of them.  Can I simply check the box in front of root and my account so I can log out and log in as root?
[12:37] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to run the Alsamixer, but everytime I enter the command, nothing happens.
[12:37] <MasterChief01> Can anyone help me?
[12:37] <MasterChief01> Any help at all would be appreciated.
[12:41] <ubuntu> enter,    alsamixer in a terminal
[12:41] <ubuntu> :))
[12:41] <MasterChief01> I open the run command window and type that in, but the box vanishes and nothing else appears.
[12:42] <MasterChief01> BTW, I'm using Kubuntu, so I don't have Gnome yet.
[12:42] <ubuntu> no sory but not in the command window but in a terminal like konsole
[12:43] <BTJustice> So can I enable root to log into KDE or not?
[12:44] <chavo> BTJustice, go ahead, then you can learn the hard way why 100000 people are telling you not to.
[12:44] <MasterChief01> Okay, now that I have it open, how do I get my Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS working?  Are you familiar with that card?
[12:44] <ubuntu> no im not sory try www.linuxquestions.org
[12:44] <ubuntu> check the fourms
[12:44] <MasterChief01> Looking there now.
[12:45] <ubuntu> its a great site
[12:45] <MasterChief01> I get the feeling I'm going to be looking there a whole lot.
[12:45] <MasterChief01> Being that this is my first Linux
[12:46] <ubuntu> yeah,hay you got hotmail or yahoo im new too and its always fun when you no your not the only one that dont know JACK $H!T
[12:47] <ubuntu> iv been using for abt 2 mo's now 
[12:47] <MasterChief01> My AIM name is RawSteelUT, my email is RawSteelUT@netscape.net
[12:47] <MasterChief01> You've got two months more than I.
[12:48] <BTJustice> So can I enable root to log into KDE or not?
[12:48] <ubuntu> cool ill mak a net scape acc now 
[12:48] <ubuntu> any one hear a echo ??
[12:49] <jpowers> BTJustice: why would you ever do that?
[12:49] <BTJustice> I tired of explainging why.
[12:49] <BTJustice> Just how do you do it?
[12:50] <BTJustice> Gosh even Mepis allows you to log in as root.
[12:50] <MasterChief01> ubuntu - Hm... I followed the advice I found on the forum, but I still can't hear my CDs....
[12:51] <jpowers> BTJustice: logging into KDE as root is generally thought of as unsafe so you're not allowed to do it.  
[12:51] <jpowers> I don't even know how to enable it.
[12:52] <ubuntu> did you DL the drivers and install them ?
[12:52] <jpowers> BTJustice: depending on what kinds of changes you want to do, you may be able to do them just fine from your normal user acct (i.e. kdesu kcontrol)
[12:52] <EasterSunshine> kdesu is like my favorite command ever
[12:52] <jpowers> I like it too.
[12:52] <BTJustice> It's funny that Ubuntu/Gnome allows you to do it but Kubuntu/KDe doesn't.
[12:52] <jpowers> It's not perfect.
[12:53] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> That's why there are many flavors of Linux. You get to choose yours
[12:53] <ubuntu> 
[12:54] <jpowers> I'm sure there's a way to make it work, BTJustice, but I don't know what way that is, as I've never wanted to.
[12:54] <jpowers> Logging into KDE as root kind of scares me.
[12:55] <MasterChief01> BRB
[12:58] <MasterChief01> Back
[12:59] <ubuntu> you get it workin ?
[01:00] <ubuntu> what distor r you using?
[01:00] <MasterChief01> I'm using Kubuntu 5.04
[01:00] <ubuntu> distro <OOPS
[01:00] <ubuntu> ok
[01:00] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to use the advice here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/63/2005/07/4/337513
[01:00] <MasterChief01> But it's not working, I still can't play CDs
[01:03] <dominic> Hi, I'm trying to install the german package for kubuntu. need some help.. can somebody help?
[01:04] <dominic> , testing
[01:04] <MasterChief01> I see an A with dots, an O with dots and a U with dots
[01:05] <cem0r> also
[01:05] <pax> dominic: tried language-pack-de language-pack-de-base language-support-de ?
[01:06] <dominic> no, not yet. can i install ist with apt-get?
[01:06] <pax> sure
[01:07] <pax> sudo apt-get install language-pack-de language-pack-de-base language-support-de
[01:08] <dominic> ok, i'll try it.
[01:08] <MasterChief01> Man, I don't get what I'm doing wrong...
[01:09] <ubuntu> it prob not u man just a configuration issue i'll look around 
[01:10] <MasterChief01> Thanks... I'm still reading this piece.  Something has to work.
[01:10] <dominic> worked. now how do i get the task bar from english to german?
[01:10] <ubuntu> it will work 
[01:10] <ubuntu> some how
[01:10] <MasterChief01> Heh, in the meantime, I'll BRB right quick.  Gonna see if at least my onboard will work.
[01:11] <BTJustice> To log into Kubuntu as root...
[01:11] <BTJustice> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1565
[01:12] <Velox> Would anyone happen to know what package the keyboard settings is? Its not loading, so I want to try a reinstall.
[01:14] <ubuntu> hay i'll look you up on aim i hav to reboot im on a live cd now and i need other files off my HD see ya
[01:15] <dominic> @pax; thanks for the help. got to go!
[01:17] <MasterChief01> Okay.... That doesn't seem to be working...
[01:21] <MasterChief01> Damn it all... BRB
[01:25] <reagleBRKLN> when i plug in a usb2 ext drive, i would like to be able to access it as a user
[01:26] <reagleBRKLN> syslog says: udev[9435] : creating device node '/dev/sda1'
[01:26] <reagleBRKLN> but /bin/ls: /dev/sda1/: Not a directory
[01:26] <reagleBRKLN> and /media/sda1 isn't created
[01:26] <reagleBRKLN> unless i have a fstab entry for it, shouldn't it be automagic?
[01:27] <reagleBRKLN> even with this fstab
[01:28] <reagleBRKLN> dev/sda1       /media/sda1     auto    rw,user,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[01:28] <reagleBRKLN> kio says: mount: mount point /media/sda1 does not exist
[01:28] <reagleBRKLN> if i create that mount point manually, it gives me: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[01:29] <MasterChief01> Okay, I seem to have system sounds at least.
[01:30] <MasterChief01> I'm going to assume I need some codec or the other to play CDs
[01:31] <Velox> reagleBRLN: your permissions seem off at least.
[01:31] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: how do i make those drives i click/mount from the desktop user writable without manually defining fstab lines?
[01:32] <Velox> Well, in the umask you have 077...this is OWNER: No permissions, GROUP: read/write/exec, OTHER: read/write/exec
[01:33] <reagleBRKLN> forgot that line in fstab, i've commented it out complete
[01:33] <reagleBRKLN> my fstab makes no mention of /dev/sda now
[01:33] <MasterChief01> Hmmm....
[01:33] <reagleBRKLN> when i plug the drive in, it still mounts it as /dev/sda1 media:/sda1 whic his fine
[01:33] <reagleBRKLN> but i have no permissions
[01:33] <MasterChief01> Can anyone help me try to install a program?
[01:34] <Velox> Okay, you're trying to mount a USB drive correct? And its showing up as sda1?
[01:34] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to install RealPlayer 10, but I don't know how to run the executable.
[01:34] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: yes
[01:34] <Velox> MasterChief01: chmod +x Real* sudo sh Real*
[01:34] <reagleBRKLN> MasterChief01: did you try apt-get install realplayer ?
[01:34] <MasterChief01> Isn't apt-get a GNOME app?
[01:35] <Velox> And you wish to change the directory correct? Or is it not working.
[01:35] <MasterChief01> Velox - I type it that way?
[01:35] <Velox> apt-get is a debian program
[01:35] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[01:35] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: apt-get works with k/ubuntu ...?!
[01:35] <Velox> Seperate lines MasterCheif, sorry for the confusion.
[01:35] <Velox> reagleBRKLN: Ubuntu is based on Debian
[01:35] <MasterChief01> So I type it like this:
[01:35] <MasterChief01> chmod _x Real
[01:35] <MasterChief01> sudu sh Real?
[01:36] <Velox> Real* (or the whole name)
[01:36] <MasterChief01> Okay.
[01:36] <Velox> I was just using my lazy shortcut.
[01:36] <MasterChief01> That's in the command window, right?
[01:36] <Velox> Indeed
[01:36] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: i've formated the external parition as ext2, i want to read write to it as a user
[01:36] <MasterChief01> Okay, nothing happened...
[01:37] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong?
[01:37] <MasterChief01> Do I include the .bin extension or no?
[01:37] <Velox> Oops, don't use sh...I need some caffene. I'm tired :\
[01:37] <MasterChief01> Ok
[01:37] <Velox> sudo ./RealPlayer10.bin (or whatever it is)
[01:38] <MasterChief01> Okay, let's try that...
[01:38] <Velox> sudo ./Real* works too as * is a wildcard
[01:38] <MasterChief01> Do I do this at the command window on in Konsole?
[01:38] <MasterChief01> Because nothing seems to be happening at the command window...
[01:39] <Velox> Does it just go to the next line or an error?
[01:39] <MasterChief01> The command window vanishes.  I guess that means I have to go to konsole.
[01:39] <Velox> Odd.
[01:40] <MasterChief01> Yeah... I just installed kubuntu a few hours back.  It's confusing. :P
[01:40] <Velox> Linux can be confusing, especially with no experience.
[01:40] <martin> yep
[01:41] <Velox> The mind still boggles at a few things.
[01:41] <MasterChief01> Hm, I enter the command in Konsole and it says "RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: COmmand not found"
[01:41] <martin> for the desktop focussed ppl we need more wizards and such
[01:41] <Velox> Use Synaptic, or Kynaptic on KDE.
[01:42] <Velox> Package manager.
[01:42] <MasterChief01> Okay, lemmie start up Kynaptic
[01:42] <Velox> I find wizards a thing of the past.
[01:42] <MasterChief01> wizards?
[01:42] <martin> after 1.5 weeks of tuning i finally can see i am happy with my linux installation
[01:43] <MasterChief01> Okay, Kynaptic didn't show up...
[01:43] <Velox> MasterChief01: try chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[01:43] <martin> Must say i ahve a lot of hardware which requires some tweaking like indexing sound cards
[01:43] <Velox> Then ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin (or sudo before it if it gives "need root" error)
[01:43] <martin> master: you know, those things which helps you with installing stuff
[01:44] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[01:44] <MasterChief01> Goodness knows it would help make switching from Windows easier.
[01:44] <MasterChief01> And it keeps saying No such file or directory.
[01:44] <MasterChief01> Nevermind the bin's in my home folder...
[01:44] <Velox> Are you in your home folder then?
[01:45] <Velox> Type ls and make sure its there.
[01:45] <martin> masteR: indeed, but i must say there is good progress. Used RH 6 a few years ago and we've vome a long way
[01:45] <MasterChief01> martin - You mean it used to be harder on RH6?
[01:45] <MasterChief01> Velox Just type ls at the Konsole?
[01:45] <martin> master: yes
[01:46] <MasterChief01> I get this message: Desktop jre-1_5_0_04-linux-amd64.bin   RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[01:47] <MasterChief01> And look at that, Kynaptic decided to show this time.
[01:47] <Velox> chmod a+x Real*
[01:47] <Velox> ./Real*
[01:47] <Velox> (with the stars)
[01:47] <MasterChief01> Just goes to the next line with no message.
[01:48] <Velox> And it hasn't installed?
[01:48] <MasterChief01> How do I know if it's installed or not if there's no message?
[01:50] <MasterChief01> Hello?
[01:52] <po> MasterChief01 : i'm not an expert but why don't you try this http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#realplay
[01:52] <MasterChief01> What am I loading?
[01:53] <po> what?
[01:53] <Velox> Probably a tutorial
[01:54] <MasterChief01> Looks like it.
[01:54] <Velox> *tries to get keyboard settings to work*
[01:54] <po> another one http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[01:55] <MasterChief01> Okay, taking a look at these.
[01:55] <MasterChief01> And while I'm at it, do I need to install a codec of some sort to get my CDs to play?  I can hear some sounds, but not CDs.
[01:56] <po> i don't remember installing any codec to play cd's
[01:57] <po> what program do you use to play cd's ?
[01:57] <MasterChief01> Well I'm trying to use ksCD until I get Realplayer to install and work.
[01:57] <po> and you have no sound?
[01:58] <MasterChief01> Well I was able to hear the startup chime when I booted up just now.
[01:58] <po> wait ... try looking into kMix on the CD volume !!
[01:58] <MasterChief01> How do I do that?
[01:59] <MasterChief01> Okay, now we're going somewhere.
[01:59] <po> you found?
[01:59] <MasterChief01> No, I'm managing to finally install Realplayer.  Where do I find kMix?
[02:00] <MasterChief01> Is /home/username/Realplayer a good place to put it?
[02:01] <MasterChief01> Here we are, found kMit
[02:01] <MasterChief01> Mix
[02:01] <po> i don't know (sorry i'm not an expert!) ............ k menu -> multimedia -> kmix (i gess)
[02:01] <MasterChief01> po - You know more than me, so don't sweat it.  I appreciate the help.
[02:01] <ThxGiving> hi!
[02:01] <po> thanx
[02:02] <MasterChief01> Okay, CD volume is set to max.
[02:02] <MasterChief01> And I find that if you turn on mic boost, you hear the mic all the time...
[02:02] <ThxGiving> i just did a normal install of kupuntu hoary
[02:02] <ThxGiving> BUT
[02:02] <ThxGiving> (well its the first time i logged on with KDE right now)
[02:02] <ThxGiving> the konsole and kdesu doesnt work
[02:02] <ThxGiving> konsole: no prompt
[02:03] <ThxGiving> kdesu "The program su is not found. make sure your PATH is set correctly"
[02:03] <ThxGiving> i did not change anything at all yet
[02:03] <ThxGiving> just a clean install from cd
[02:03] <ThxGiving> su is installed
[02:03] <ThxGiving> PLEASE help
[02:03] <MasterChief01> Okay, installed Realplayer, now to get CDs to work...
[02:03] <cem0r> gone
[02:04] <MasterChief01> That's funny, the mic boost just died.
[02:05] <po> ThxGiving : what are you trying to do ? i can't undertand your problem?
[02:05] <Velox> ThxGiving: begging for help won't work, if we know the answer we'll tell you. You might consider posting on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:05] <MasterChief01> Okay, I need to download a few things to get RP to work it seems...
[02:05] <ThxGiving> thanx velox
[02:05] <ThxGiving> @po: i just installed kubuntu.. i log on kde..
[02:05] <ThxGiving> and start the konsole
[02:06] <ThxGiving> it doesnt display a prompt
[02:06] <ThxGiving> just the window and a cursor
[02:06] <ThxGiving> when i try to start kynaptic (which uses kdesu)
[02:06] <po> can you type anything in it?
[02:06] <ThxGiving> kdesu prompts for the root password but says "su not found"
[02:06] <ThxGiving> no
[02:06] <ThxGiving> i cant
[02:06] <ThxGiving> tho i can click thru the menu
[02:07] <po> click where?
[02:07] <ThxGiving> the menu of the konsole
[02:07] <po> but what do you want to launch? kynaptic?
[02:08] <ThxGiving> konsole
[02:08] <ThxGiving> the konsole window pops up
[02:08] <ThxGiving> cursor in left edge
[02:08] <ThxGiving> but no prompt
[02:09] <MasterChief01> UGH!
[02:09] <ThxGiving> this sucks
[02:09] <ThxGiving> humf
[02:09] <po> well i have no answer...
[02:09] <MasterChief01> I have CD volume at max on kMix and still can't play CDs...
[02:09] <MasterChief01> Hmmm...
[02:10] <ThxGiving> cant start xterm as well
[02:10] <ThxGiving> :(
[02:10] <po> MasterChief01 : try using kaffeine
[02:10] <MasterChief01> Okay...
[02:11] <ThxGiving> what the codename for the unstable release?
[02:11] <ThxGiving> +s
[02:11] <MasterChief01> Kaffine keeps crashing.
[02:11] <po> ThxGiving : when you try alt+f2 and then typing xterm nothing happens ?
[02:11] <ThxGiving> exactly
[02:12] <po> MasterChief01 : at what point does it crash?
[02:12] <MasterChief01> When I try to open the CD
[02:12] <ThxGiving> what is the codename for kubuntu unstable?
[02:12] <ThxGiving> and its a fresh installation!
[02:12] <ThxGiving> of hoary..
[02:13] <Velox> MasterChief01: do you have a soundcard with digital/analog output?
[02:13] <MasterChief01> Yes, a Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
[02:14] <Velox> Aha
[02:14] <MasterChief01> Aha?
[02:14] <Velox> Open up a terminal and run alsamixer
[02:14] <MasterChief01> Okay, I'm on alsamixer
[02:15] <Velox> Now hit the right arrow over to the Item: Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack
[02:15] <Velox> try hitting M
[02:15] <Velox> It fixed my sound
[02:15] <Velox> I have an Audigy 2 as well
[02:15] <MasterChief01> Already done.  And that's the thing, I can hear my mic, but not CDs
[02:16] <Velox> Hmm...check the alsamixer for any muted lines, like CD
[02:16] <MasterChief01> Checking
[02:17] <MasterChief01> No muted lines.
[02:17] <Velox> So CD says 00?
[02:17] <ThxGiving> maybe it has to do with the kernel
[02:17] <MasterChief01> Yes, and the bar is raised.
[02:17] <ThxGiving> the only thing i did was upgrading the kernel
[02:17] <ThxGiving> to 2.6.12.5
[02:18] <MasterChief01> Worth a shot, I suppose.  How do I go about doing this?
[02:18] <Velox> You might try looking around http://www.ubuntuforums.org first
[02:19] <MasterChief01> Been there.
[02:19] <MasterChief01> That's where I first got the alsamixer advice.
[02:21] <po> MasterChief01 : but does the CD play and you have no sound or it simply doesn't play?
[02:21] <MasterChief01> The CD plays without sound.
[02:23] <po> cant you "explore" the cd? (is it "accessible"?)
[02:23] <MasterChief01> I can access the CD via conquerer, yes.
[02:23] <Velox> Hmm
[02:23] <po> you said kaffeine crashed ... you can try installing vlc?
[02:23] <Velox> It might be the program
[02:23] <po> just to try
[02:23] <MasterChief01> Can I find that in Kynaptic?  Where?
[02:24] <po> i think kynaptic
[02:24] <MasterChief01> Under where?
[02:25] <po> try searching there is a search option
[02:25] <MasterChief01> vlc right?  There's no result.
[02:26] <Elite2k> hi can someone tell me how to get firefox installed in kubuntu
[02:26] <MasterChief01> Elite2k - Look for it under World Wide Web in Kynaptic
[02:26] <Elite2k> thanks
[02:26] <Elite2k> one other thing is there some type of torrent client installed on here
[02:27] <MasterChief01> I don't believe so, though it can't be that hard to find one.
[02:27] <Elite2k> ive installed azurus but doesnt seem to be working :(
[02:27] <MasterChief01> Well the original BitTorrent has a Linux version, so you can try that.
[02:28] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> There's also Ktorrent
[02:28] <Elite2k> yeah
[02:28] <MasterChief01> Jedi - That too.
[02:28] <Elite2k> is it listed under the kynaptic
[02:28] <Elite2k> i mean iun there
[02:29] <MasterChief01> Well, barring Kynaptic, where can I find vlc?
[02:30] <ThxGiving> ive got an idea
[02:30] <ThxGiving> um
[02:30] <ThxGiving> ppl?
[02:30] <MasterChief01> Oh?
[02:30] <MasterChief01> Yes?
[02:30] <ThxGiving> how can one check out with which version something is compiled?
[02:30] <ThxGiving> ldd ?
[02:31] <po> MasterChief01 : maybe you'll have to add extra sources into your source.list file to get vlc through kynaptic
[02:31] <po> MasterChief01 : have you ever edited your sources.list file?
[02:31] <MasterChief01> po - THis is my first day with any linux distro, so no.
[02:31] <Elite2k> MasterChief01: 
[02:31] <Elite2k> dude
[02:31] <Elite2k> use xine
[02:32] <Elite2k> it can play everything vlc can too
[02:32] <Elite2k> uses less resources as well..
[02:32] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[02:32] <Elite2k> let me get u a relly cool link
[02:32] <Elite2k> hold uo
[02:32] <MasterChief01> I could do that too.
[02:32] <Elite2k> up*
[02:32] <Elite2k> i just installed this today too
[02:32] <Elite2k> like 3 hours ago
[02:32] <po> MasterChief01 : yes that could work!
[02:32] <Elite2k> never used linux before but this is cool
[02:32] <Elite2k> for n00bs hold up
[02:32] <apokryphos> =)
[02:32] <MasterChief01> Hehe, nice to see I'm not the only virgin here.
[02:33] <MasterChief01> po - What, Xine?
[02:33] <Elite2k> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/
[02:33] <Elite2k> go there
[02:33] <Elite2k> this dude is relly cool he compiled a zip file that has alot of cool stuff in it
[02:33] <Elite2k> download his ubuntu addon.zip file
[02:33] <Elite2k> nd do wut it says in the terminal
[02:33] <Elite2k> to unzip it
[02:33] <Elite2k> nd install it
[02:33] <Elite2k> its Very simple
[02:34] <Elite2k> it has Xine in it also there was a Xine packege in ubuntus downlods from apt-get
[02:34] <MasterChief01> Okay.  Let me just wait for this to load....
[02:34] <Elite2k> but that shit didnt work for me
[02:34] <Elite2k> i dunno why :S
[02:34] <Elite2k> let me get u another link as well k
[02:34] <MasterChief01> Well I found a program called xinet in Kynaptic... Dunno if that's the same...
[02:34] <Elite2k> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:35] <Elite2k> there also
[02:35] <Elite2k> see the stuff in the black boxes
[02:35] <Elite2k> just cut paste the code in terminal
[02:35] <Elite2k> it will auto install it
[02:35] <MasterChief01> Okay.
[02:35] <Elite2k> its Ez
[02:35] <Elite2k> i dunno about xinet
[02:35] <MasterChief01> Though all these assume Gnome, so I'd better get that...
[02:35] <Elite2k> i am using xine from this mrbass guys site
[02:37] <MasterChief01> Okay, but first thing's first, getting the gnome packages.
[02:37] <MasterChief01> BRB guys, gonna grab a drink.
[02:37] <po> MasterChief01 : maybe you would like to try this before http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:38] <MasterChief01> Okay, loading repositories.
[02:38] <po> it will add a lot of packages available in kynaptic
[02:38] <MasterChief01> Well, the site anyway.
[02:38] <MasterChief01> Okay, BRB in one sec
[02:38] <Elite2k> po reposotories what are they
[02:39] <Elite2k> is that like windows update files lists
[02:39] <Elite2k> in a sense
[02:39] <Elite2k> like a list of packages available
[02:39] <MasterChief01> I'm guessing it's a list of servers
[02:40] <po> Elite2k : yes ... packages that are supposed to be easy to install and uninstall to your linux distribution
[02:40] <Elite2k> hot hot
[02:41] <MasterChief01> Heh
[02:41] <MasterChief01> Hopefully as it gets easier more people will be able to come in without the troubles we're having
[02:41] <MasterChief01> Then it's goodbye MS
[02:41] <Elite2k> LOL
[02:41] <Elite2k> well
[02:41] <Elite2k> right now its osx86
[02:42] <MasterChief01> Elite - You're a mac user?
[02:42] <Elite2k> yep
[02:42] <Elite2k> right now my comp
[02:42] <Elite2k> dual boots
[02:42] <Elite2k> using grub
[02:42] <MasterChief01> Ah, I see.
[02:42] <Elite2k> winXP. osx86, kubuntu
[02:42] <MasterChief01> That's a lot of partitions.
[02:42] <MasterChief01> Big HD?
[02:42] <Elite2k> yep
[02:42] <Elite2k> nope
[02:42] <Elite2k> its a laptop
[02:43] <Elite2k> 40GB
[02:43] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[02:43] <Elite2k> 2ghz
[02:43] <Elite2k> i wanna compare Battery life
[02:43] <Elite2k> which os gives me the most
[02:43] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[02:43] <Elite2k> ill stick with that :D
[02:43] <Elite2k> but ubuntu is kewl
[02:43] <MasterChief01> Yeah, I'm enjoying Kubuntu so far, all things considered.
[02:44] <Elite2k> man the best part is
[02:44] <Elite2k> its all configured
[02:44] <Elite2k> sound video
[02:44] <Elite2k> usb 
[02:44] <Elite2k> everything
[02:44] <MasterChief01> Hehe, indeed.
[02:44] <Elite2k> i just dont like the browser
[02:45] <Elite2k> its kewl but i prepfer mozilla
[02:45] <Elite2k> too much use to it
[02:45] <MasterChief01> Hehe, same
[02:45] <Elite2k> prefer*
[02:45] <MasterChief01> Konquerer is much better as a file browser
[02:45] <Elite2k> with my popup block nd whethear lister
[02:45] <ThxGiving> does anyone knows about ubuntu kernel patches
[02:45] <Elite2k> yes
[02:45] <Elite2k> exactly
[02:45] <MasterChief01> Thx - Good question
[02:45] <Elite2k> apokryphos: its a good browser but
[02:45] <Elite2k> for files it will be better
[02:45] <apokryphos> Elite2k: faster than mozilla/firefox (starting up and loading pages)
[02:46] <Elite2k> relly
[02:46] <Elite2k> can u use mozilla addons in it
[02:46] <apokryphos> which is my priority. Compability is only getting better with it, too. It does all I want, so it's groovy.
[02:46] <MasterChief01> apok - I have the opposite effect actually
[02:46] <MasterChief01> Heh
[02:46] <Elite2k> tru
[02:46] <apokryphos> Firefox takes at least 10 times longer to open
[02:46] <Elite2k> lol
[02:46] <apokryphos> less if I've run it recently
[02:46] <Elite2k> god man
[02:46] <MasterChief01> Well to open neither is slow
[02:47] <apokryphos> though Konqueror loads pages easily faster, hands down, too.
[02:47] <Elite2k> i have been waitin for liek 10 mizn here now
[02:47] <Elite2k> to get firefox
[02:47] <Elite2k> from the kynaptic thing
[02:47] <MasterChief01> Elite - did you commit changes to system?
[02:47] <Elite2k> wut changes
[02:47] <MasterChief01> The packages you marked
[02:47] <Elite2k> changes as in what ?
[02:47] <Elite2k> yes i did
[02:48] <Elite2k> its downloading them
[02:48] <Elite2k> but downloading like alot
[02:48] <MasterChief01> Ah, so you're at fetch progress right now, right?
[02:48] <Elite2k> all i wanted was the firefox
[02:48] <Elite2k> yes
[02:48] <Elite2k> its downloading
[02:48] <Elite2k> but taking time
[02:48] <Elite2k> i have a wirless 5 mb connection here
[02:48] <Elite2k> :S
[02:48] <Elite2k> still slow
[02:48] <MasterChief01> Ah, wireless.
[02:48] <Elite2k> yeah
[02:48] <Elite2k> but signal is full
[02:48] <Elite2k> 100%
[02:48] <Elite2k> me too
[02:48] <Elite2k> DSL
[02:48] <Elite2k> but its wireless
[02:48] <Elite2k> :D
[02:49] <Elite2k> ok u no wut
[02:49] <MasterChief01> Never been a fan of wireless.  Rain screws it up.
[02:49] <Elite2k> i think kynapatic is updating other files too
[02:49] <Elite2k> i just looked
[02:49] <MasterChief01> And, living in Florida, we get rain all the time.
[02:49] <Elite2k> like openoffice nd stuff
[02:49] <Elite2k> relly
[02:49] <MasterChief01> That's a good thing.
[02:49] <Elite2k> well i am in Canada
[02:49] <MasterChief01> the updating
[02:49] <Elite2k> rains here too but not as much snow most of the year
[02:49] <MasterChief01> Elite - So you get lots of snow? :P
[02:49] <Elite2k> i never had ne problems with internet
[02:49] <Elite2k> :S
[02:49] <MasterChief01> ok
[02:49] <MasterChief01> oh
[02:49] <Elite2k> luky i guess
[02:49] <MasterChief01> Indeed
[02:50] <Elite2k> odd
[02:50] <Elite2k> its also the fact that there is more users prob on ur dsl company too
[02:50] <Elite2k> server prob gets over loaded alot
[02:50] <MasterChief01> Ah
[02:50] <Elite2k> i live in a small town .. 350,000 people
[02:50] <MasterChief01> Good company, even with no Linux support
[02:50] <Elite2k> i use www.execulink.com its basically bell.ca re sold
[02:51] <MasterChief01> ah
[02:51] <ThxGiving> ok i found the problem
[02:51] <ThxGiving> when you ever have a konsole with no prompt
[02:51] <ThxGiving> and kdesu is not working etc
[02:51] <ThxGiving> its because you did something messy with your kernel config!
[02:51] <Elite2k> ok time to get this kopete thing wrokin
[02:51] <ThxGiving> i forgot to compile Unix 98 tty support
[02:52] <MasterChief01> Goodie, 92% installed.
[02:53] <ilba7r> i have a problem with deleting a user. I delete him and his group yet as soon as i log in to gdm his name is still there and when i use system>pref>add/del user he is stil there? How can i permenantly remove him?
[02:55] <MasterChief01> BRB, bathroom
[02:56] <po> ThxGiving : you found!
[02:59] <ThxGiving> yes
[02:59] <ThxGiving> thanks for your help
[02:59] <ThxGiving> you pushed me in the right direction
[02:59] <ThxGiving> it was the kernel
[02:59] <po> mental support ;)
[02:59] <ThxGiving> right!
[03:02] <MasterChief01> Okay, this is strange...
[03:02] <ray_> what is it?
[03:03] <MasterChief01> My Kynaptic stuff finished downloading, but the selections are still all greyed out...
[03:03] <ray_> its installing
[03:03] <ray_> give it a sec
[03:03] <MasterChief01> Ah.  There really should be a progress window for that... ^^;
[03:04] <ray_> yes thats why i still use synaptic
[03:04] <po> MasterChief01 : yes me too
[03:04] <MasterChief01> Well part of what I'm downloading is a bunch of Gnome stuff, so hopefully I'll be able to give Synaptic a spin.
[03:04] <MasterChief01> I assume gnome-session is that actual desktop?
[03:05] <ray_> oh no
[03:05] <MasterChief01> Oh no?
[03:05] <po> MasterChief01 : why did you do that!!??
[03:05] <MasterChief01> So I can get the gnome desktop? ^^;
[03:05] <MasterChief01> I screwed up, right?
[03:05] <ray_> if you wanted synaptic
[03:05] <ray_> just        sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:05] <MasterChief01> Well I also wanted the actual desktop as well...
[03:06] <ray_> just        sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <ray_> or
[03:06] <ray_> just        sudo apt-get install gnome
[03:06] <MasterChief01> Ah...
[03:06] <ray_> brb
[03:06] <MasterChief01> oops...
[03:06] <MasterChief01> Though... This won't mess up my system, will it?
[03:07] <ray_> yeah synaptic sucks too.......just use the command line.......way better
[03:07] <ray_> MasterChief01: it shouldnt but
[03:07] <MasterChief01> but?
[03:07] <po> MasterChief01 : i don't think so ... it should still work
[03:07] <ray_> it might
[03:07] <MasterChief01> eep...
[03:07] <ray_> i think you will be fine
[03:07] <MasterChief01> Thanks.
[03:08] <ray_> brb
[03:08] <MasterChief01> Though I will say kubuntu is pretty good with background applications.
[03:09] <MasterChief01> The Kynaptic routines aren't effecting my browsing or chatting.
[03:09] <po> multitasking!
[03:09] <MasterChief01> Hehe, indeed.
[03:10] <MasterChief01> And with fewer problems than in Windows it seems.
[03:10] <po> well sometimes you may have problems as well ... but in my experience fewer problems
[03:11] <MasterChief01> Well, I can't possibly expect NO problems.  But fewer problems is nice.
[03:13] <po> yes ... and kubuntu hoary is the first release of kubuntu ... i heard at the begining (when it was released) a few things din't work that well ... but they keep improoving
[03:14] <MasterChief01> I thought Warty was their first release.
[03:14] <MasterChief01> And this was #2
[03:14] <po> yes warty was the first releasy of ubuntu ...
[03:14] <po> gnome only
[03:15] <MasterChief01> Ah, so this is the first KDE release.
[03:15] <apokryphos> yes
[03:15] <MasterChief01> I see.
[03:15] <MasterChief01> I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves.
[03:15] <apokryphos> Kynaptic is pathetic :P. New package manager for Breezy, which will be much better.
[03:16] <MasterChief01> As long as it has an install progress window, I'll be fine. :)
[03:16] <sproingie> aptitude rules over all others
[03:16] <po> apokryphos: for breezy ... like adept? http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[03:16] <apokryphos> po: correct
[03:16] <sproingie> i wouldnt mind a nice clicky aptitude though that had a nice resizeable window for the package descriptions
[03:17] <sproingie> not to mention the ability to search through descriptions
[03:18] <MasterChief01> Hm, funny, there seems to be no option in Firefox to make it the default browser...
[03:18] <sproingie> MasterChief01: linux has no centralized notion of a "default browser"
[03:18] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[03:18] <apokryphos> MasterChief01: the option is in KControl
[03:18] <MasterChief01> apok - Ah, I see.
[03:18] <ray_> ok back
[03:18] <MasterChief01> Hello again, ray
[03:19] <ray_> hello
[03:19] <ray_> is your system ok
[03:19] <ray_> lol
[03:19] <MasterChief01> I've not exploded yet.
[03:19] <ray_> good
[03:19] <MasterChief01> And I have IRC sounds now.
[03:19] <ray_> how do i get irc sounds?
[03:19] <MasterChief01> You're using Konversion?
[03:19] <MasterChief01> Konversation I mean
[03:20] <ray_> yes
[03:20] <MasterChief01> Under the settings pulldown select Configure Notifications.
[03:20] <sproingie> mmm beer
[03:20] <MasterChief01> You could do that as well, of course.
[03:21] <ray_> so you just used your own sounds?
[03:21] <ray_> ???
[03:22] <ray_> who here likes kde?
[03:22] <sproingie> i hate it.  hang out here to diss it ;)
[03:22] <ray_> lol
[03:23] <MasterChief01> Ray - Well, there are a bunch of sounds available to you, though you can optionally use your own sounds.
[03:23] <ray_> i always flip flop ........gnome...kde..icewm...xfce...
[03:23] <sproingie> i hardly ever use the tools of heavyweight de's like gnome or kde
[03:23] <sproingie> but it's nice to have it when i want it
[03:24] <sproingie> having thumbnail view in the file selector dialog for example
[03:24] <sproingie> comes in handy when uploading an image to gmail
[03:24] <ray_> kde isnt as heavy as gnome.....imho.....although you think it would be
[03:24] <MasterChief01> ray - Why would you think that?
[03:25] <ray_> MasterChief01: becuase gnome uses more resources...and seems a tad slower
[03:25] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[03:25] <MasterChief01> I have the same perspective, Sproingie.
[03:25] <MasterChief01> AMD Athlon64 3400+
[03:25] <ray_> yeah my system is fast too.....kubuntu boots in like 25 seconds
[03:26] <sproingie> a mere 3000+ for me
[03:26] <MasterChief01> Hehe, 64 or just AthlonXP
[03:26] <MasterChief01> ?
[03:26] <sproingie> 25 seconds should be considered glacial, really
[03:26] <sproingie> but linux doesnt put a premium on fast boots
[03:26] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Hehe, eventually.
[03:26] <ray_> i got a p4 3.8 ghz 2 gigs of ram
[03:26] <MasterChief01> And 25 seconds isn't so bad.
[03:26] <ray_> hey it boots faster than windows does
[03:26] <MasterChief01> I can get in a Street Fighter match in that. :)
[03:26] <sproingie> beos booted in 10 seconds on a p2/400
[03:27] <ray_> yeah but beos is like anchient
[03:27] <ray_> i cant spell
[03:27] <MasterChief01> ray - I dunno, for me XP goes the 20-30 second range.
[03:27] <kalenedrael> i like beos
[03:28] <ray_> i dont use xp.....but when i did it was way slower than linux
[03:28] <sproingie> xp boots fairly fast, but explorer.exe is unresponsive for like 20-30 more seconds
[03:28] <kalenedrael> yes
[03:28] <Elite2k> wow
[03:28] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Yes.
[03:28] <Elite2k> u guyz r running XP slow
[03:28] <Elite2k> u need the startup tweaker
[03:28] <Elite2k> boots in 10 seconds for me
[03:28] <ray_> XP just sucks
[03:28] <MasterChief01> Elite - Dude, XP's a notorious memory hog
[03:28] <Elite2k> lol
[03:28] <Elite2k> so tru
[03:28] <MasterChief01> You need huge ram amounts to run it.
[03:28] <Elite2k> i dont mind got 2 GB to spare
[03:28] <sproingie> MasterChief01: so's linux actually
[03:28] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah.
[03:29] <kalenedrael> not at all, compared to XP...
[03:29] <Elite2k> well mac osx86 is good too
[03:29] <ray_> yeah it boots in 10 seconds but programs are still loading after you see the gui
[03:29] <MasterChief01> ray - Indeed.
[03:29] <sorush20> is there a multi protocol file sharing program out there.. that allows Kaza, edonkey, gnutella  
[03:29] <sproingie> i wouldn't call linux all that slim.  bsd's a little more so, but not terribly
[03:29] <kalenedrael> yeah, the GUI pops up fairly fast
[03:29] <sproingie> you want small, try qnx
[03:29] <kalenedrael> linux is as slim as you want it to be :P
[03:29] <MasterChief01> qnx?
[03:30] <MasterChief01> kalenedrael - More like as slim as you are willing to deal with the command line. :)  Personally I want to keep my interaction to the line at a minimum so I don't blow up my comp.
[03:30] <sproingie> MasterChief01: super tiny microkernel os
[03:30] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah.
[03:30] <kalenedrael> yes, i suppose
[03:30] <kalenedrael> though there are very light window managers
[03:30] <sproingie> qnx is used in a lot of embedded stuff
[03:31] <ray_> what do you guys think of freebsd and such
[03:31] <kalenedrael> someone needs to make a graphical system other than X
[03:31] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see.
[03:31] <sproingie> ray_: love it.  would use it if i hadn't stupidly gotten an ATI card
[03:31] <kalenedrael> X has a LOT of overhead
[03:31] <kalenedrael> yuck, ATI
[03:31] <ray_> sproingie: they dont support ati?
[03:31] <MasterChief01> kal - WHo knows?  Might be a while though, since it seems KDE and Gnome are the defacto standard.
[03:31] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:32] <ray_> i have an ati
[03:32] <kalenedrael> i like KDE
[03:32] <ray_> works great too
[03:32] <ray_> i like linux and kde
[03:32] <kalenedrael> it's not that 'light', but i don't care so much
[03:32] <MasterChief01> Nice card, renders HL2 nicely.  That reminds me, I need to find wine...
[03:32] <sproingie> ray_: more to say ATI doesn't support anything but linux and windows.  and barely linux at that
[03:32] <MasterChief01> sproingie - So true.
[03:32] <MasterChief01> How's nVidia about linux support?
[03:32] <kalenedrael> ATI linux support sucks
[03:32] <MasterChief01> I might go with them next time.
[03:32] <kalenedrael> nvidia has great linux support
[03:33] <ray_> sproingie: so whats a good card to have ndivia?
[03:33] <sproingie> yep.  it's still closed-source, but they bend over backward to make it work
[03:33] <kalenedrael> closed source, like ATI, but a lot better
[03:33] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:33] <sproingie> nvidia has accellerated drivers for freebsd too
[03:33] <sproingie> they even have drivers for opensolaris.  not sure if that's 3d accel or not
[03:33] <ray_> hmm
[03:33] <ray_> there are more apps for linux though
[03:34] <sproingie> ray_: and freebsd will run 'em all
[03:34] <kalenedrael> the most important part is a libGL that supports hardware acceleration...
[03:34] <ray_> linux is gaining popularity
[03:34] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Sounds like they really care about their non-Windows customers, unlike ATI
[03:34] <sproingie> ray_: often faster than linux itself
[03:34] <kalenedrael> anyone want to reverse-engineer the nvidia driver?
[03:34] <ray_> sproingie: i have the freebsd live cd and it works with my ati card
[03:34] <sproingie> MasterChief01: i think they just have a developer culture that isn't as constrained by corporate wonks
[03:34] <kalenedrael> linux has drivers for the ATI card, but they suck because they have no hardware acceleration
[03:35] <MasterChief01> sproingie - There is that.
[03:35] <kalenedrael> same with nvidia
[03:35] <ray_> kalenedrael: i have 3d accel
[03:35] <sproingie> MasterChief01: ati has good engineers, and they probably want to make the drivers as good as they can.  they're probably being hobbled by management every step of the way
[03:35] <kalenedrael> ray_, yes, but you have the proprietary drivers, too
[03:35] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see.
[03:35] <ray_> kalenedrael: no i dont
[03:35] <kalenedrael> ?
[03:35] <kalenedrael> what card, what driver?
[03:35] <sproingie> there are open source accellerated drivers for ati cards now
[03:36] <kalenedrael> there are, but only for old ones
[03:36] <ray_> kalenedrael: ati x300 fglrx driver.....its in the repos
[03:36] <sproingie> they weren't all that mature a few months ago.  i'm told they're better
[03:36] <sproingie> kalenedrael: no, the r300 series, that includes the x800 too
[03:36] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Not from ATI I assume.
[03:36] <kalenedrael> odd
[03:36] <ray_> i play all sorts of games with crazy graphics
[03:36] <sproingie> MasterChief01: reverse engineered, of course
[03:36] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see.
[03:37] <esac> i enabled the nvidia driver, and now my font sizes are a lot bigger, any idea ?
[03:37] <MasterChief01> esac - Higher resolution?
[03:37] <sproingie> esac: you might need to change your dpi settings
[03:37] <MasterChief01> That too.
[03:37] <sproingie> i think the BinaryDriverHowto has an item on that
[03:37] <esac> MasterChief01: the resolution stayed the same
[03:37] <sproingie> ask ubotu in #ubuntu
[03:37] <esac> sproingie: how do i do that ?
[03:37] <MasterChief01> esac - Ah
[03:38] <apokryphos> sproingie: he's here too :)
[03:38] <esac> ok
[03:38] <apokryphos> ubotu: hi
[03:38] <ubotu> hi, apokryphos
[03:38] <esac> ubotu: binarydriverhowto
[03:38] <ubotu> somebody said binarydriverhowto was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto or ask !Display !Resolution !ati !nvidia Please use /msg <your_question> to avoid flooding the channel
[03:38] <sproingie> oh the bot's here too of course
[03:40] <ray_> if you edit xorg.conf you can add more resolutions
[03:40] <esac> hmm dont see anything on dpi
[03:40] <MasterChief01> ray - Meh, I try to keep in my monitor's range, which is 1280x1024
[03:40] <ray_> and?
[03:40] <ray_> i thought you wanted to adjust
[03:41] <MasterChief01> No, I was suggesting that to someone else
[03:41] <MasterChief01> Sorry for the misunderstanding.
[03:41] <sproingie> resolution isn't the whole picture
[03:41] <sproingie> if the font renderer has the wrong values for your DPI, it'll draw your fonts too big
[03:41] <esac> is there a setting somewhere for that ?
[03:41] <MasterChief01> You know, that 24-hour notation is starting to bug me.  How do you set the clock for 12-hour notation?
[03:42] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah, I see
[03:42] <sproingie> which is a welcome change from the usual brokenness of linux fonts in the past
[03:42] <esac> anybody using google talk yet ?
[03:42] <sproingie> where it would draw leeeeetle itty bitty fonts
[03:42] <ray_> google talk?
[03:42] <MasterChief01> google talk?
[03:42] <sproingie> google talk?
[03:42] <ray_> do they make it for linux
[03:42] <esac> google is running jabber chat servers now or something .. saw it linked off slashdot http://www.smashsworld.com/2005/08/im-on-google-talk-right-now.php
[03:43] <sproingie> i wonder if that's running on their hello.com stuff
[03:43] <esac> trying to set it up with gaim right now
[03:43] <sproingie> they've had IM with hello.com for a while, they just kept it more or less quiet
[03:43] <sproingie> mostly picasa users who used it
[03:45] <ray_> what movie player do you guys use?
[03:45] <MasterChief01> ray - None yet.
[03:45] <ray_> MasterChief01: why not?
[03:45] <MasterChief01> Been focused on sound, and now I wanna wait till Kynaptic is finished.
[03:46] <ray_> MasterChief01: i thought you said you had sound
[03:46] <MasterChief01> Sound yes, CD playback no
[03:46] <po> MasterChief01 : kynaptic ins't finished yet?
[03:46] <MasterChief01> It's still all greyed out.
[03:46] <ray_> i had to compile and install the newest versions of alsa for my sound to work  : (
[03:46] <ray_> STILL
[03:46] <MasterChief01> Ouch.
[03:47] <po> MasterChief01 : maybe you should update to kde 3.4.2 ...
[03:47] <ray_> from like an hour ago?
[03:47] <Velox> I use xine for a movie player.
[03:47] <ray_> kynaptic is a horrible app
[03:47] <MasterChief01> po - That doesn't happen in Kynaptic?
[03:47] <MasterChief01> ray - it seems so.
[03:47] <Velox> ray_: thats why I left Synaptic when I uninstalled GNOME.
[03:48] <ray_> yes it happens........but it is still greyed out from when i talked to you like half hour ago?
[03:48] <po> MasterChief01 : i think you should use synaptic ... kynaptic dons't display konsole errors ... and may still greyed out!
[03:48] <MasterChief01> Yep
[03:48] <MasterChief01> po- So I may just be stuck?
[03:48] <ray_> MasterChief01: it froze.......
[03:48] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[03:48] <po> i gess
[03:48] <po> kill it!
[03:49] <ray_> KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!
[03:49] <MasterChief01> Closed
[03:49] <MasterChief01> Now what do I have to clean out?
[03:49] <po> start using synaptic ... 
[03:49] <ray_> MasterChief01: run synaptic
[03:50] <MasterChief01> Okay.
[03:50] <EvanCarroll> How do I enable hardware mixing on my sound card, this new mobo has to support it, and yet I can only play on stream at a time
[03:50] <MasterChief01> Error: Unable to get exclusive lock
[03:50] <po> it's because you dint' kill kynaptic!
[03:50] <MasterChief01> I closed the window... WHat else do I need to do?
[03:50] <ray_> should have killed it
[03:51] <po> it may still running 
[03:51] <MasterChief01> po - How do I check?
[03:51] <ray_> go into term and type........ kill kynaptic
[03:52] <MasterChief01> I get the following error - bash: kill: kynaptic: arguments must be process or job IDs
[03:52] <ray_> oh
[03:52] <po> sudo!
[03:53] <sproingie> killall kynaptic
[03:53] <ray_> just do this
[03:53] <ray_> in term type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and gnome will install
[03:53] <MasterChief01> sproingie I entered what you told me and it just gave me another line
[03:53] <MasterChief01> Is that right?
[03:53] <ray_> yup
[03:54] <MasterChief01> Then kynaptic is dead.
[03:54] <ray_> now type in that command i told ya
[03:54] <MasterChief01> Okay
[03:54] <ray_> stupid gui package managers
[03:54] <sproingie> MasterChief01: not sure what kind of feedback killall gives.  that probably means it works
[03:54] <po> you can use ksysguard (kmenu->system->KSysGuard) to see what is running
[03:55] <ray_> MasterChief01: is it downloading?
[03:55] <MasterChief01> Looking through Ksysguard now.
[03:55] <MasterChief01> ray - I got the error E: Invalid operation ubuntu-desktop
[03:55] <MasterChief01> And yes, Kynaptic is dead
[03:56] <ray_> MasterChief01: you need to type exacxtly this
[03:56] <ray_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:56] <MasterChief01> There we go
[03:56] <MasterChief01> Now it's connecting
[03:57] <ray_> you forgot to type install last time
[03:57] <MasterChief01> Yep
[03:57] <MasterChief01> This is going to take a while to get used to.  I'm glad I got you guys to walk me through it.
[03:57] <sproingie> i always use aptitude
[03:58] <gdarel> Afternoon all, anyone know of a GUI video editor?
[03:58] <sproingie> it's a console app, a pretty good tradeoff between commandline and gui
[03:58] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see.  I'll have to look into that when that's done
[03:58] <ray_> aptitude is cool to
[03:58] <sproingie> someone was in #ubuntu this morning asking about video editing
[03:59] <sproingie> free options are ... limited
[03:59] <gdarel> what are the paind options?
[03:59] <sproingie> linux goes straight from hobby-horse to super-expensive-high-end without much inbetween
[03:59] <ray_> untrue
[03:59] <sproingie> in terms of video editing, that's what i hear
[03:59] <ray_> oh sorry
[04:00] <ray_> im dumb
[04:00] <MasterChief01> Though I am curious.  What happens to all the files that Kynaptic downloaded?  Do I have to delete the caches manually?
[04:00] <ray_> avidemux is pretty good
[04:00] <sproingie> MasterChief01: if you're bored, you can.  unless you're tight on space you probably dont have to
[04:01] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I like to keep as little waste as possible.
[04:01] <sproingie> MasterChief01: /var/cache/apt/archives would be where the cached packages are
[04:01] <ray_> MasterChief01: chances are you need a lot of those to install gnome anyway
[04:01] <MasterChief01> ray - The setup/install of ubuntu-desktop is complete
[04:01] <sproingie> far as i know apt never prunes the cache
[04:01] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah, thanks
[04:01] <sproingie> there's probably some setting to change that
[04:01] <sproingie> but apt configuration is ... hairy
[04:02] <sproingie> uses some weird notation kinda like bind9
[04:02] <MasterChief01> hm, access denied.
[04:02] <ray_> MasterChief01: now if you log out then you can log into gnome
[04:02] <sproingie> MasterChief01: sudo
[04:02] <ray_> SUDO
[04:03] <MasterChief01> Okay, how do I do this in the command line?  What's the command?  Or can I do this in GUI as well?
[04:03] <ray_> do what
[04:03] <MasterChief01> the cache cleaning?
[04:03] <po> gdarel : try here http://kde-apps.org/?xcontentmode=221
[04:04] <ray_> sudo apt-get clean
[04:04] <ray_> sudo apt-get clean
[04:04] <gdarel> HTHANKS!
[04:05] <MasterChief01> ray_ thanks.
[04:05] <ray_> MasterChief01: also ........ sudo apt-get autoclean
[04:05] <sproingie> ray's apt kung-fu is strong
[04:06] <MasterChief01> Indeed.
[04:06] <MasterChief01> VERY strong indeed.
[04:06] <MasterChief01> BRB, logging out and in again.
[04:07] <po> will MasterChief01 know how to use gnome?
[04:07] <sproingie> stay tuned
[04:08] <sproingie> same halo time ... same halo irc channel
[04:08] <po> :)
[04:08] <sproingie> i keep reading "master chief" as "master chef"
[04:08] <sproingie> i'd love to see a mod for halo that turns him into the swedish chef
[04:09] <sproingie> or maybe emeril....  "let's kick it up a notch"
[04:10] <MasterChief01> Cool, worked.
[04:10] <po> so?
[04:10] <MasterChief01> ?
[04:10] <po> you're running gnome?
[04:10] <MasterChief01> Yep
[04:10] <po> how do you feel?!
[04:11] <MasterChief01> Hehe, like I managed to accomplish something without completely destroying my comp.
[04:11] <MasterChief01> And, holy sheep shit my CD is playing!
[04:12] <po> whith sound?
[04:12] <MasterChief01> Yep
[04:12] <po> cool!
[04:12] <po> maybe you should try to update your kde packages as well just to try to make it work whith kde
[04:13] <MasterChief01> po Good idea.  I assume you do that with apt-get as well?
[04:13] <po> yes but you havo to ad the repositories
[04:13] <po> try to find gnome-terminal
[04:14] <MasterChief01> Okay.
[04:14] <po> sudo gedit
[04:14] <MasterChief01> Okay, I'm in gedit
[04:15] <po> open /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:15] <MasterChief01> Open
[04:16] <po> copy+paste this
[04:16] <MasterChief01> oops, closed it by accident, hold on one sec
[04:16] <po> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[04:16] <MasterChief01> Okay, loading up the page...
[04:17] <po> ?? don't load the page ... copy "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main" at the end of sources.list
[04:17] <kinfo> No match for "don't"
[04:17] <po> don't load the page ... copy "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main" at the end of sources.list
[04:18] <MasterChief01> With the " marks or no?
[04:18] <po> no ""
[04:18] <MasterChief01> Do I put a #?
[04:18] <po> no ... # means "ignore this line"
[04:18] <po> save and close
[04:18] <MasterChief01> Okay, I pasted that line to the end, and now I'm saving
[04:19] <MasterChief01> Okay, gedit is closed.
[04:19] <po> then "apt-get update" (no "")
[04:19] <MasterChief01> I had to sudo that command.
[04:20] <po> yes
[04:20] <po> i forgot
[04:20] <po> then apt-get upgrade (not update)
[04:20] <MasterChief01> Hm, failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[04:21] <fromoze> not yet kde 3.4.2 amd64 packages 
[04:21] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[04:21] <fromoze> must wait :)
[04:21] <MasterChief01> Ah.
[04:21] <fromoze> like I do ;)
[04:21] <MasterChief01> Oh well, I'm happy with Gnome for now.
[04:21] <po> ok
[04:22] <fromoze> but 3.4.1 works
[04:22] <MasterChief01> fro - True.
[04:22] <fromoze> just change kde342 to kde341
[04:23] <MasterChief01> Fro - Okay, let me do that...
[04:24] <MasterChief01> Okay, running the There, that was fast.
[04:25] <MasterChief01> That's funny... I did install RealPlayer, but when I click the realplayer shortcut I get this error - "Cannot launch entry    Details: Failed to ececute child process realplay (no such file or directory)"
[04:27] <po> MasterChief01 : (about kde 3.4.1) if you did "sudo apt-get update" i suppose you can now do "sudo apt-get upgrade" to complete de update
[04:27] <MasterChief01> Okay, thanks for the reminder
[04:28] <MasterChief01> I assume these write over the old versions?
[04:28] <po> i assume that too
[04:29] <MasterChief01> Okay.
[04:29] <MasterChief01> Though if this keeps going as well as it is, Ubuntu's going to get a lot more space on the HD soon... This is pretty good...
[04:32] <po> that's right ... you must keep trying
[04:32] <MasterChief01> Indeed.
[04:33] <po> one day or another things start to work
[04:34] <MasterChief01> Indeed.  Seems like this was the day linux started to work for me.  Though I will of course be printing out some apt-get and other important command line commands for reference/study
[04:36] <Subvertir> Hi guys, is there a kubuntu repository that I can use to (safely) migrate from Debian Unstable to Kubuntu?
[04:36] <Subvertir> or at least, reasonably safe. Or, worst case, might work but if it doesn't stfu noob.
[04:38] <Subvertir> there's like 100 people here, and everyone is idle?
[04:38] <MasterChief01> Sorry...
[04:38] <MasterChief01> One sec...
[04:38] <fromoze> Subvertir: official mirrors can do it, no?
[04:39] <Subvertir> I'm not sure...
[04:40] <MasterChief01> Subvertir - Well the repositories for Ubuntu have done well for me so far.  I only had to add one to update my KDE desktop
[04:40] <Subvertir> So I add the Ubuntu repositories and the Kubuntu repo? 
[04:40] <Subvertir> cool
[04:40] <MasterChief01> I guess.  I've never used another distro...
[04:41] <Subvertir> this will likely cause severe breakage
[04:41] <Subvertir> I don't even like this computer, so that's fine.
[04:41] <MasterChief01> Now now, think positive
[04:42] <MasterChief01> Damn it, I REinstalled RealPlayer, and I still get that error.
[04:42] <_frank> Subvertir: I think the libraries in unstable are later versions than hoary... it might be hard to migrate
[04:42] <Subvertir> Won't apt default to not updating them?
[04:42] <Subvertir> I can just pray none of the new stuff causes breakage
[04:43] <Subvertir> and if it does, I'll just leave it sit for about 9 months =)
[04:43] <_frank> packages in the hoary repositories often don't want to install if you don't have the hoary libraries
[04:43] <Subvertir> oh, it's like libtool-2.7-hoary or something?
[04:44] <_frank> -ubuntu
[04:44] <_frank> yeah
[04:44] <_frank> for whatever reason install debian libraries in ubuntu is a bad iedea
[04:45] <fromoze> Subvertir: one thing, don't use the us.archives.ubuntu.com url, is the more problematic one :)
[04:45] <MasterChief01> Anyone know how to remove a program once it's installed?  I'm done with Realplayer, at least for now.
[04:47] <Subvertir> fi.archives seems to be doing ok
[04:47] <_frank> MasterChief01: did you install with apt?
[04:47] <Subvertir> 216kb/s I can live with
[04:47] <po> MasterChief01 : it was a .bin file right ? i don't know how to unistall it ... maybe jus delete the directory where you installed it? (or maybe not)
[04:47] <MasterChief01> Frank - No, I followed the instructions at real.com
[04:48] <_frank> oh
[04:48] <MasterChief01> po - I wanna wait before doing that, so I don't end up having registry problems.
[04:48] <kevinrose> hello
[04:48] <_frank> MasterChief01: did it install as a user? in /home?
[04:48] <kevinrose> I am kevinrose!
[04:48] <Subvertir> I wish I hadn't dist-upgraded last week
[04:48] <MasterChief01> Frank - Yes
[04:48] <kevinrose> I am a media whore
[04:48] <MasterChief01> As was the defualt
[04:48] <kevinrose> hee
[04:48] <Subvertir> I'd be able to just do this cleanly, because all of my debian libs would be way out of date
[04:48] <kevinrose> heh*
[04:48] <_frank> there may be an uninstall scrip I don't know. but just deleting should be ok.
[04:49] <MasterChief01> Frank - Okay.  And the shortcut in "sound & Video"?
[04:50] <_frank> um... right click the menu and edit menu
[04:50] <_frank> the easy way to install realplayer is with synaptic or kynaptic
[04:50] <_frank> !repositories
[04:50] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:50] <Subvertir> I like mplayer
[04:50] <_frank> you need backports for the latest version of realplayer
[04:51] <MasterChief01> _frank - I see.  Hold on, I'm trying to actually uninstall this damned thing... WOn't let me go to root for even a sec to uninstall via the GUI
[04:51] <MasterChief01> backports?
[04:51] <Subvertir> I actually use mplayer on win32, and even compiled with cygwin and runtime CPU detection, it plays hi-res files better than WMP
[04:52] <po> MasterChief01: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:52] <_frank> !backports
[04:52] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[04:53] <MasterChief01> Ah, I see.
[04:53] <MasterChief01> Frank - Do you know how to delete a locked folder?
[04:53] <_frank> you mean its owned by root?
[04:53] <MasterChief01> Yeah.  The installation of realplayer is root-owned
[04:54] <MasterChief01> apparently
[04:54] <_frank> is the folder in /home?
[04:54] <MasterChief01> Yes
[04:54] <MasterChief01> It's in /home/revan
[04:54] <_frank> just sudo rm -r /home/user/realplayer or whatever
[04:55] <_frank> sudo rm -r can hurt you... watch out!
[04:55] <MasterChief01> Frank - I'll be cautious.
[04:55] <MasterChief01> And there goes that damned realplayer install.
[04:56] <MasterChief01> Now I gotta figure out how to remove the menu shortcut.
[04:58] <_frank> right click the menu to edit it
[04:58] <po> MasterChief01 : do it on kde ... it's simplier ... i don't think you can edit the menus on gnome just by right clik+edit menu ...
[04:58] <MasterChief01> Thanks for the tip, po
[04:58] <_frank> oh for gnome, you need to install smeg to edit menus
[04:58] <Subvertir> I use quanta and kate over xdmcp... it's nice
[04:58] <MasterChief01> Lemmie log out one sec
[04:58] <Subvertir> a lot faster than I expected it to be
[05:03] <MasterChief01> Well I deleted it in KDE, then came back to Gnome, where it's still there...
[05:03] <MasterChief01> The shortcut I mean.
[05:03] <_frank> are you sure there wasn't an uninstall script?
[05:04] <MasterChief01> Not that I could see, no.
[05:04] <_frank> maybe runing the .bin again would've given you the option to uninstall
[05:04] <MasterChief01> I did that when I reinstalled.
[05:05] <_frank> anyways you need smeg to edit the gnome menu
[05:05] <MasterChief01> And I get this where?
[05:05] <_frank> !smeg
[05:05] <ubotu> smeg is, like, totally, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[05:05] <_frank> put backports in your repositories. There is alot of good stuff in backports
[05:06] <MasterChief01> Indeed.  Lemmie just get that backports link again...
[05:07] <jsubl2> !backports
[05:07] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[05:07] <_frank> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:08] <MasterChief01> Found it.
[05:08] <MasterChief01> Thanks. :)
[05:08] <_frank> you can also get w32codecs and java in backports (hoary-extras)
[05:09] <MasterChief01> Okay, lets see how this works...
deb  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports</b>
[05:12] <MasterChief01> So that space is necessary too, before hoary-backports?
[05:12] <MasterChief01> (Just making sure
[05:12] <po> yes
[05:13] <MasterChief01> Okay, this is what I've written in the sources.list file
[05:14] <MasterChief01> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <MasterChief01> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ oary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <MasterChief01> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <MasterChief01> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ oary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <MasterChief01> That right?
[05:14] <_frank> missing a few h
[05:14] <_frank> but yeah
[05:14] <_frank> did you install synaptic?
[05:15] <MasterChief01> Thanks for pointing out the typo.
[05:15] <MasterChief01> Yes.
[05:15] <MasterChief01> Funny, thought I had, but I don't see it...
[05:16] <_frank> synaptic is much better than kynaptic
[05:16] <MasterChief01> sudo apt-get synaptic right?
[05:16] <_frank> yeah or use kynaptic to install synaptic
[05:17] <MasterChief01> Invalid operation synaptic?
[05:18] <_frank> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:19] <MasterChief01> Looks like I need to run update to correct some problems.
[05:19] <_frank> yes you do since you canged the sources.list
[05:20] <MasterChief01> Oh hell, the update won't work, a whole bunch of stuff can't be opened....
[05:20] <MasterChief01> Guess I'll take the kynaptic to synaptic route.
[05:21] <MasterChief01> Bah, guess I gotta change to KDE... logging out.
[05:24] <MasterChief01> Back, and it's funny, I found Synaptic on KDE...
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_restricted_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_restricted_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:27] <_frank> dont paste stuff like that!!!!!!
[05:27] <_frank> dont paste stuff like that!!!!!!
[05:27] <_frank> dont paste stuff like that!!!!!!
[05:27] <MasterChief01> Sorry for the flood, but I needed to show this error window.
[05:27] <Subvertir> I just dist-upgraded to kubuntu, and the box is still running fine (fwiw!)
[05:27] <MasterChief01> My apologies.
[05:27] <_frank> #flood
[05:27] <Subvertir> mustn't restart it for a while now!
[05:28] <Subvertir> I forgive you
[05:28] <Subvertir> you were pwnt by the ol middle click?
[05:28] <_frank> did you add the h back?
[05:28] <MasterChief01> Yes.
[05:28] <_frank> ckports_dists_oary-extras_m
[05:28] <MasterChief01> Lemmie look again.
[05:29] <fromoze> not only #flood
[05:29] <fromoze> !pastebin
[05:29] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:29] <fromoze> good night :)
[05:29] <MasterChief01> Thanks
[05:30] <MasterChief01> Okay, there was a second h needing insertion.  My fault. :)
[05:30] <MasterChief01> Now Synaptic is working...
[05:30] <MasterChief01> Okay, it works for a while then vanishes.
[05:33] <MasterChief01> Hm, need video codecs...
[05:34] <_frank> w32codecs
[05:34] <_frank> in backports
[05:34] <Subvertir> okay! it works.
[05:34] <MasterChief01> Frank - Thanks.
[05:35] <MasterChief01> Okay, seems planetmirror is useless...
[05:35] <_frank> I don't have that mirrot
[05:35] <_frank> I don't have that mirror
[05:36] <MasterChief01> Lets see how ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ does...
[05:36] <_frank> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[05:36] <_frank> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[05:36] <_frank> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[05:36] <EasterSunshine> uh oh
[05:36] <MasterChief01> Frank - ?
[05:36] <_frank> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
[05:37] <EasterSunshine> hes pasting a whole html doc
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[05:37] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted</pre></body>
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[05:37] <_frank> what???
[05:37] <_frank> #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:37] <_frank> I just copy pasted
[05:37] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell frank about paste
[05:37] <EasterSunshine> oh crap i told the wrong frank
[05:37] <_frank> hehe
[05:37] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell _frank about paste
[05:37] <MasterChief01> Frank - The backports site said to replace that url with one of the mirrors
[05:37] <_frank> MasterChief01: I just use this one
[05:38] <_frank> I didn't intend to flood
[05:39] <MasterChief01> frank - Okay, let me add that one then.
[05:40] <MasterChief01> Okay, put one for backports and one for extras...
[05:42] <MasterChief01> Why does KDE hate CDs so much?
[05:43] <_frank> suggestion: disable backports when you don't need them: comment them out with #
[05:43] <MasterChief01> Not a bad idea.
[05:45] <MasterChief01> Synaptic is already newest version, so we're good there...
[05:45] <kainos> how do i know if my laptops modem is working properly?
[05:45] <_frank> because if you do an upgrade with them on, it will upgrade a bunch of stuff you don't really need upgraded
[05:45] <MasterChief01> Frank -  I see.
[05:46] <kainos> how do i know if my laptops modem is working properly?...Is there a utlity which i can use?
[05:46] <MasterChief01> BRB, gonna reboot
[05:46] <_frank> not really sure... if its not a winmodem, it should be fine
[05:47] <kainos> winmodem works under linux as well?
[05:48] <_frank> well some do, some don't I think... I have no experience with them
[05:50] <kainos> i am installin efax because its easier that hylafax. but it cant seem to detect my modem . i have tried devices such as ttyS0, ttyS1 etc...but nothing works
[06:03] <MasterChief01> There, got in some updates.  Though I'm having trouble finding a good avi codec on Synaptic...
[06:05] <_frank> what do you mean?
[06:05] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to open some avis, but they won't play.
[06:05] <_frank> with w32codecs, you should have pretty much everything you need
[06:05] <MasterChief01> Let's see if I can find that one...
[06:05] <_frank> do you know what codec you need?
[06:06] <_frank> w32codecs in synaptic
[06:06] <MasterChief01> Thanks.  Meanwhile, what I need is Divx and DVD support
[06:07] <MasterChief01> Can't find w32codecs in Synaptic
[06:08] <_frank> its in backports (hoary-extras) only on x86 though
[06:08] <MasterChief01> Bahhh...
[06:08] <MasterChief01> Of course there wouldn't be one for x86_64...
[06:12] <MasterChief01> Welcome back, Frank.
[06:12] <_frank> still there?
[06:12] <MasterChief01> Yeah.
[06:12] <kainos> why is it so damn hard to configure modem from linux
[06:13] <_frank> for divx, you need ffmpeg 
[06:13] <_frank> not sure if its there by default
[06:13] <_frank> kainos: is it a winmodem?
[06:14] <kainos> u mean d modem im using? i dnt know its in my laptop
[06:14] <MasterChief01> "ffmpeg" can't be found with Synaptic.  I'm somehow not surprised...
[06:14] <kainos> m a newbie..m sorry
[06:14] <_frank> MasterChief01: its in there 
[06:15] <MasterChief01> I already have the latest gstreamer and libavcodec-dev
[06:15] <MasterChief01> Frank - Probably another thing x86_64 is missing out on...
[06:15] <Poromies> MasterChief01: there is a how-to on forums to get w32codecs to amd64
[06:16] <Poromies> just a sec and I'll get it for ya
[06:16] <_frank> yeah I used to use amd64 and changed to x86 -- its like heaven compared to the problems you run into with amd64
[06:16] <MasterChief01> Thanks, that'd be much appreciated.
[06:16] <MasterChief01> frank - I can tell.
[06:18] <_frank> I had setup a chroot to run the 32bit programs
[06:18] <MasterChief01> A what?
[06:18] <_frank> a 32bit OS within the 64bit one
[06:19] <MasterChief01> Ah.  Does that take up a lot of space?
[06:19] <_frank> well you need all the libraries all over again
[06:19] <_frank> so yeah
[06:19] <MasterChief01> Ah.  Lovely.  An extra gig or two.
[06:20] <_frank> frankly, I suggest using x86
[06:20] <MasterChief01> Yeah, probably gonna end up doing that.  Most likely it'll be another year or two before x86_64 is fully supported.
[06:20] <MasterChief01> Heh.  Poor AMD
[06:20] <_frank> I learned alot setting up everything amd64
[06:21] <_frank> actually, ubuntu will have a way to install 32bit programs sometime
[06:21] <MasterChief01> I imagine...
[06:21] <MasterChief01> Oh?
[06:21] <_frank> windows x64 does the same thing. IE is still 32bit
[06:22] <_frank> its not transparent yet in linux though
[06:22] <MasterChief01> Hehe, I see.
[06:23] <MasterChief01> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30303.html Let's see if this works...
[06:23] <_frank> I'll wait until it becomes painless to switch to x86_64
[06:23] <MasterChief01> Good idea.
[06:23] <MasterChief01> Poor AMD, rushing out 64-bit processors and there's so little support...
[06:24] <_frank> well amd's chip are still the best performing when running x86 code
[06:25] <MasterChief01> True.
[06:26] <MasterChief01> I'll worry about it some other time.  Right now, I need sleep.
[06:26] <MasterChief01> Night all.
[06:37] <pc09> #bethany
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> hey, I have some questions about Doom for linux
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> Doom 2, I mean
[06:50] <richardk> hello
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> I have been using legacy doom, do they make this for windows?
[06:50] <richardk> i have a question
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> yeah?
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> perhaps i can help 
[06:51] <richardk> i need what to add to the repositories list in synaptics to get universe and multiverse lists of programs
[06:52] <richardk> i need to know this please
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> pardon?
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> oh i think i get it, you want to expand your repositories?
[06:52] <richardk> yes
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> you can find out at http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> use find for repositores
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> *repositories
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> ctrl-f
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> got it?
[08:12] <kakalto> how can I list all the currently running programs?
[08:13] <Subvertir> ps aux
[08:13] <Subvertir> pstree
[08:20] <kakalto> thanks
[08:22] <kakalto> alas, it didn't help >.<
[08:23] <kakalto> I tried running googletalk in wine, and now I have the googletalk window not responding, but taking up some of my screen
[08:23] <kakalto> the problem is, I didn't run in directly through a terminal
[08:26] <kakalto> bleh
[08:32] <diginet> ?
[08:47] <_4rte> yop yop
[08:59] <jeh> the page http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php could mention that the 3.4.2 packages require "universe" to be enabled for all packages to be installed
[08:59] <jeh> kdepim won't get installed because it depends on kleopatra which needs some extra stuff
[09:05] <_frank> jeh: I guess... most people who update kde would have universe enabled but you're right. I don't know who can edit that
[09:05] <jeh> i just stumbled over it yesterday with a fresh installed machine where i wanted 3.4.2
[09:05] <jeh> but i guess you're right, any system that's been in use for a while probably has it enabled
[09:06] <thoreauputic> can someone type my nick, please?
[09:06] <_frank> thoreauputic: 
[09:06] <thoreauputic> thanks :)
[09:07] <_frank> np
[09:08] <thoreauputic> The colour highlighting wasn't showing on my dark background, so I needed to change it - yellow on dark blue shows up nicely now ;)
[09:08] <_frank> ok
[09:30] <Thardas> Is there any downsides in adding universe in sources.list?
[09:33] <nikkia> Thardas: not particularly
[09:34] <Thardas> Of course there's some software which isn't supported but universe's and normal repository's packages won't conflict?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I solved the mystery of urxvt not incrementing utmp :)
[09:36] <nikkia> thoreauputic: permissions ?
[09:37] <nikkia> Thardas: they shouldn't
[09:37] <nikkia> Thardas: as far as i know, there shouldn't be any packages that are in universe *and* somewhere else, its possible that you might run into dependancy issues though, but i think thats unlikely
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nikkia: chown root:utmp /usr/bin/urxvt && chmod g+s /usr/bin/urxvt 
[09:37] <nikkia> thoreauputic: yeah, as i thought
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nikkia: :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nikkia: that doesn't work for konsole, though, for some reason
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nikkia: but since I don't use konsole, I'm not too bothered
[09:54] <matthew> anyone got google talk working with kopete?
[09:59] <fatejudger> is there any way to check if your video card is working properly in linux?
[10:00] <fatejudger> I tried using cedega (winex) and it says my video card drivers aren't there
[10:00] <fatejudger> or something to that effect anyway
[10:01] <fatejudger> anyone?
[10:03] <fatejudger> is anyone even here?
[10:04] <Poromies> yep, but i dont know anything about cedega/wine/x
[10:05] <Poromies> you might have better luck asking in ubuntu channel, or go to wine forums/irc-channel
[10:05] <fatejudger> well
[10:05] <fatejudger> it isn't really a cedega problem
[10:05] <fatejudger> its a video card problem
[10:05] <fatejudger> so I don't know where to go
[10:06] <fatejudger> if I install the Linux Nvidia driver to just to be sure it's installed correctly will it fuck anything up?
[10:10] <n> I'm trying to compile plptools w/ KDE support but it just keeps saying checking for Qt... (single-threaded) (multi-threaded) configure: error: Qt (>= 19991109) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:10] <n> I've tried everything I can think of- all the KDE + QT dev files are installed, and I've tried pointing configure towards them but to no avail
[10:11] <n> Could it be something to do with it wanting an old QT- it says it compiles for KDE 3 though
[10:12] <nikkia> n, check the config.log file, its probaably that its trying to use an old Qt function that doesn't exist anymore
[10:24] <hvm> hello
[10:24] <hvm> i need some help, pls
[10:25] <hvm> hello, anyone?
[10:27] <tvo> hvm: just ask
[10:28] <hvm> oh, ok
[10:28] <hvm> how do i log into the root user?
[10:29] <tvo> by default, that's impossible, because (k)ubuntu uses sudo
[10:29] <tvo> let me find the link
[10:29] <hvm> aha
[10:29] <hvm> that sucks
[10:29] <nikkia> hvm, if you want a shell session as root, use sudo -s or sudo -i
[10:29] <hvm> ok
[10:30] <hvm> thanks
[10:30] <nikkia> which are analogies for su and su - respectively
[10:30] <hvm> thanks
[10:31] <tvo> hvm: here is more info --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:32] <hvm> ok, thanks again
[10:32] <cem0r> hvm: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[10:32] <hvm> kubuntu
[10:32] <cem0r> However, yesterday someone posted this this link: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1565
[10:33] <cem0r> If you just want to do some file operations in KDE you can also use this: kdesu -c konqueror
[10:34] <cem0r> errr .. some file operations as root
[10:34] <hvm> ok, 10x
[10:35] <cem0r> null problemo
[10:39] <nikkia> uhoh
[10:43] <nikkia> not good words to hear your boss utter 'those arseholes in <insert other office location that is working on the same strategic contract as you> have f***ed up, and aren't going to supply their project on time'
[11:01] <locomorto> hey guys
[11:01] <cem0r> hey guy ;)
[11:02] <locomorto> google talk is out!
[11:02] <locomorto> www.google.com/talk
[11:02] <locomorto> it works with kopete as far as i can tell
[11:02] <locomorto> Create a new account go Jabber
[11:02] <locomorto> for username place in your whole gmail address (eg kde@gmail.com)
[11:02] <locomorto> check the use SSL
[11:03] <locomorto> go connection
[11:03] <locomorto> check the override server settings
[11:03] <locomorto> and place in talk.google.com
[11:03] <locomorto> then voila
[11:10] <nikkia> locomorto: its not the whole gmail address
[11:10] <locomorto> it is for me
[11:10] <nikkia> locomorto: it gives auth failed doing that, the google docs say to use the part BEFORE @gmail
[11:10] <locomorto> Kopete wont accept it otherwise anyway
[11:10] <locomorto> and i seemed to log in fine...
[11:10] <nikkia> hmmm
[11:10] <nikkia> i get auth failed with my gmail address
[11:11] <locomorto> do you have SSL enabled?
[11:11] <locomorto> The Jabber ID you have chosen is invalid. Please make sure it is in the form user@server.com, like an email address.
[11:11] <nikkia> nope, i tried that, it said the server doesn't support SSL
[11:11] <locomorto> do you have the server set to talk.google.com
[11:12] <nikkia> ah, its not talk.google.com
[11:12] <nikkia> nope, that doesn't work either, gah
[11:19] <Aapzak> hello everyone
[11:24] <Aapzak> I have work to do, speak to you later!
[11:43] <buz> what could it be that sensors detects everything BUT fan speed on my "new" asus k8v?
[11:44] <buz> also i'm wondering if ksysguard can somehow display harddisk temperatures?
[12:24] <n> Can I can kdb2html for kubuntu? I need it to compile plptools
[12:26] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~$ apt-cache search plptools
[12:26] <thoreauputic> plptools - Access a Psion PDA over a serial link
[12:26] <thoreauputic> plptools is in the universe repository
[12:27] <n> thoreau: The plptools package for ubuntu doesn't come with kpsion, which is why i need to compile it
[12:27] <thoreauputic> ah, OK
[12:27] <n> so, is there a way to search all the different ubuntu packages for kdb2html?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search kdb2html   - but I just did that and got no output
[12:28] <thoreauputic> !find  kdb2html
[12:29] <thoreauputic> I suspect it isn't in any repos... unless ubotu is still looking... ;)
[12:29] <n> I dunno why kpsion was left out as it is part of suse 9,3 and MDK 10.2
[12:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kdb2html' returned no results.
[12:30] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[12:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: loud music, and parents actually semi-waking me up to "help clean up". :/
[12:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: heh
[12:31] <apokryphos> it's like school
[12:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i got a phone call from my boss today
[12:31] <apokryphos> heh
[12:31] <n> oh well! I've tried everything I can think of now, just waiting to see if I hear anything back from ubuntus plptools maintainer, see if he can help
[12:31] <nikkia> on his way to the office of the other team working on this strategic contract... he started with 'those arseholes at <insert name of other office> have f***ed up, so your project is now our primary focus on this contract because they can't f***ing deliver on time'
[12:32] <apokryphos> :-O
[12:32] <apokryphos> Position of power nikkia, position of power. Mwuahaha (evil laugh)
[12:32] <tapanim> i need dvd/cd burning program. best?
[12:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i said 'now isn't a good time to say it won't be finished by friday, then?' :)
[12:32] <jeh> tapanim: k3b
[12:32] <nikkia> tapanim: k3b
[12:33] <tapanim> ok
[12:33] <nikkia> tapanim: altho it has some issues with DVDs :/
[12:33] <tapanim> thanks 
[12:33] <jeh> that was easy
[12:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: Heh. More work? ;/
[12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah
[12:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: not recommending NeroLinux yet? ;-)
[12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: a long list of 'fixes' from our tester
[12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not free, so
[12:34] <apokryphos> yah
[12:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: ok, gotta go; they're annoyed I'm not helping ;-)
[12:37] <tapanim> /exit
[12:56] <bernadine> help. im having a hardtime installing HylaFaxServer
[12:56] <bernadine> it cant seem to detect my mdem
[01:06] <bernadine> after installing hylafax ... do i still need to compile?
[01:06] <bernadine> newbie here
[01:10] <bernadine> can anybody help?
[01:14] <tapanim> what is Qt and how i get it?
[01:17] <n> How do I 'regenerate a configure file'?
[01:29] <jeh> tapanim: www.trolltech.com
[01:35] <theuser> Hihu, when i upgrade ( aptitude upgrade ) i get an error " 'swap0' does not have a valid block device in /etc/crypttab " any idea ?
[01:44] <theuser> done. :)
[02:14] <chile> hola a todos
[02:25] <bahagia> testtest
[02:25] <MrPoke> it is working
[02:56] <antrix> hello.. anyone able to connect to google talk using kopete?
[02:58] <pointwood> I'm connected it seems, but I haven't been able to talk to others...
[02:58] <po> antrix : read this http://oisch.blogspot.com/2005/08/google-does-it-again.html
[02:59] <antrix> po, i was doing that.. install qca-tls and for several tries it gave me connection errors...
[03:00] <antrix> po, but started working now!
[03:00] <pointwood> :)
[03:00] <pointwood> now try to add me: jramskov@gmail.com
[03:00] <antrix> one sec
[03:01] <pointwood> I bet it doesn't work though
[03:01] <pointwood> hey!
[03:01] <pointwood> it did
[03:01] <antrix> yep, 
[03:01] <antrix> but is it kopete2kopete only?
[03:01] <pointwood> just tried with another person that uses the google client...that didn't work...
[03:02] <pointwood> ah...I just did it wrong before
[03:03] <pointwood> I've succesfully added another person now
[03:03] <antrix> cool
[03:03] <pointwood> that uses the google client that is
[03:03] <antrix> i've to look for someone to add :)
[03:03] <pointwood> hehe
[03:03] <pointwood> so far only gmail users :(
[03:39] <blaq> I've got an AMD Duron and was wondering which kernel would be best. Should i go the 686 kernel or the K7 kernel?
[03:40] <clem_yeats_away> blaq : I've got a Duron and things work great with x86.
[03:41] <blaq> yeah but imagine how much BETTER they could work
[03:41] <blaq> ...
[03:41] <blaq> ?
[03:43] <clem_yeats_away> well...
[03:43] <clem_yeats_away> things can always be better
[03:43] <clem_yeats_away> there is no happiness without contentment though.
[03:46] <nikkia> blaq: i don't think it honestly makes much difference
[03:47] <nikkia> blaq: in theory, the k7 kernel can be slightly faster, as it can optimise with 3dnow instructions, but i doubt there's much in the kernel that makes real use of those types of optimisations anyway
[03:48] <nikkia> (and those few places that can, will get SSE instructions on the 686 kernel, and there's not really much real-world speed difference between an occasional SSE block and an occasional 3dnow block)
[03:51] <blaq> yeah fair call
[03:55] <nikkia> blaq, really, its up to you, although i've heard some people say they had problems with the k7 kernel, but i'd take that with a grain of salt - people have problems with all kinds of stuff that just works for everyone else :)
[04:00] <blaq> yeah i've compiled my own kernels before and when one doesn't work, its a bit of a pain in the arse trying to get it all going again, especially when i don't have a floppy drive in this computer
[04:01] <blaq> so i think i might just leave it if its working
[04:10] <xxx> Hi
[04:10] <xxx> Question on SANE, i did not find anything...
[04:11] <xxx> what would be the best solution for tis?
[04:11] <xxx> currently I chmodded /dev/sg worldwritable and readabele
[04:11] <xxx> now users can also use xsane, but this is not the best solution, I think...
[04:12] <xxx> the question was: users can not read /write to /dev/sg2, that is my scanner, only root can
[04:12] <xxx> using / as a first char is not good in irc ;)
[04:14] <nikkia> xxx, i think you'll find that /dev/sg* belongs to the group 'disk', if so, add users to that group and they should be able to access the scanner
[04:15] <nikkia> xxx, a more elegant solution would be to define a group 'scanner', and use a udev rule to make sure that the scanner's scsi-generic device node gets set to that group (you'll want to check against the vendor/model, as other things get /dev/sg nodes besides the scanner)
[04:40] <bjorn_> hi, are there any kubuntu colony 3 out?
[04:40] <bjorn_> or is it just ubuntu that have the beta?
[04:40] <apokryphos> bjorn_: ISOs are built daily for Breezy, so -- yes and no
[04:41] <apokryphos> Heh, a KGet "simple UI" proposed: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=28160&PHPSESSID=c5ea313698866068556175ade424894f Is it me, or should this have been done ten years ago?
[04:41] <apokryphos> bjorn_: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:41] <bjorn_> ok
[04:46] <pussfeller> hope this offical update fixes k3b
[04:55] <Nate1> why do I have such a hard time attempting to ./configure, make, and make install on Kubuntu?  I've tried putting on all development packages needed, and libraries.
[04:56] <apokryphos> Nate1: it's useless if you don't give us specific errors
[04:56] <Nate1> I understand.
[05:04] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I just downloaded Kpackage. Looks cool enough, at least until Breezy comes out with adept, but somehow it isn't working for me
[05:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> It wants the command su, which doesn't work in Kubuntu
[05:05] <jpatrick> then do: sudo su
[05:06] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> No, it does that automatically
[05:07] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I select some random packages, click Apply, then a window pops up with the already entered command su and a password prompt
[05:07] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: yes, there's a problem in KPackage
[05:07] <jpatrick> I never liked KPackage
[05:07] <apokryphos> it hasn't been configured to use sudo, so you actually need to use your su pass when it requests it
[05:07] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> So, I should probably just kill it, huh?
[05:08] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: I don't think so. It's my favourite GUI front-end to APT by quite a bit, at the moment.
[05:08] <_liquidfire> !ntfs
[05:08] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[05:09] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I see. I'll fiddle around with it some more then
[05:09] <amu> !gnome
[05:09] <ubotu> from memory, gnome is an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users. see http://gnome.org for details.
[05:10] <_liquidfire> !kde
[05:10] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[05:10] <apokryphos> for end-users? What's that.
[05:10] <amu> :) hehe 
[05:11] <amu> !gnoppix
[05:11] <ubotu> amu: What?
[05:11] <_liquidfire> I love kde
[05:11] <_liquidfire> :o
[05:11] <_liquidfire> but more unstable
[05:11] <_liquidfire> but much more appealing
[05:11] <_liquidfire> imo
[05:12] <apokryphos> amu: I really never knew that gnoppix was Ubuntu-derived. Thought it was always out there, just a less-popular alternate to knoppix
[05:12] <amu> !/sbin/halt 
[05:12] <ubotu> amu: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:13] <apokryphos> ubotu: gnoppix is <reply> Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu . Similar to Knoppix, but it uses the GNOME Desktop Environment. See: http://gnoppix.org
[05:13] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[05:14] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Spiffy
[05:14] <amu> apokryphos: hehe, we have all our dirty secrets :) 
[05:14] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Can it do russian roulette too? :)
[05:16] <_liquidfire> hmm
[05:16] <apokryphos> amu: so the project is going well? How many people are there working on it?
[05:17] <apokryphos> I'm wondering what's wrong with the Ubuntu LiveCD that they've got this fork :P
[05:17] <apokryphos> a double-fork: ubuntu+knoppix
[05:18] <_liquidfire> does enlightment also work for kde ?
[05:18] <amu> apokryphos: yeah all is fine, i can build all kind of liveCd's on every arch in max. 30 min. thats cool. I'm the only one :) working on a webgui, user can click and customize his own liveCD with a few clicks and some minutes later he can download his own iso :)  
[05:18] <_liquidfire> does enlightment also work for kde ?
[05:19] <apokryphos> amu: wow! Quite the expert :). 
[05:19] <apokryphos> amu: where is this webgui? Sounds very interesting. :)
[05:20] <amu> apokryphos: guess who make the kubuntu liveCDs :) 
[05:20] <apokryphos> _liquidfire: it should. You should be able to run alternative window managers with KDE
[05:20] <apokryphos> amu: Yup, I remember reading that you were behind them. :P
[05:20] <apokryphos> Great things
[05:20] <_liquidfire> k 
[05:21] <amu> apokryphos: yep, also a company is very very interessed in this, it need huge amount of discspace and cpu :) I'll do if i have time left and fun
[05:22] <apokryphos> Really grea to here; I hope it goes well. =)
[05:22] <apokryphos> I'm tempted to download it even though it's gnome :P
[05:22] <amu> the funny thing is the gnome guys also building their liveCd's they fight, invest their time, while i build them in 30min. ;)
[05:22] <apokryphos> I'll go for the torrent 8)
[05:23] <apokryphos> hehehe, good going
[05:23] <_liquidfire> apokryphos: can I choose at the beginning which window manager i want ?
[05:23] <_liquidfire> Never have done it before
[05:23] <_liquidfire> so 
[05:23] <apokryphos> _liquidfire: nope; you'll have to set the KWIN variable. Check google for the info
[05:24] <_liquidfire> oke
[05:24] <_liquidfire> thanks for the info
[05:24] <amu> it will be a nice webgui where the user can chose from templates, if you want xfce instead of kde or gnome instead of kde, or firefox as defualt browser with you holidaypic as background and your girlfriend as bootsplash 
[05:24] <apokryphos> I think it'll be a really big hit
[05:24] <apokryphos> can't wait :)
[05:24] <amu> well that really rocks, so everyone can build liveCD, for his useage in a very easy way 
[05:25] <apokryphos> Customization is always good. Very nice.
[05:25] <apokryphos> amu: do you think it will happen soon? Or do you have much work now for Breezy etc?
[05:26] <_liquidfire> amu one of the devs ?
[05:26] <_liquidfire> :o
[05:26] <apokryphos> _liquidfire: one of the great ones, yes. :)
[05:26] <_liquidfire> hehe
[05:27] <_liquidfire> amu, yesterday i had some great option which could be included
[05:27] <_liquidfire> but i totally forgot :(
[05:28] <_liquidfire> but anyway keep up the great work
[05:28] <_liquidfire> its because of kubuntu/ubuntu i switched to Linux
[05:28] <_liquidfire> :D
[05:29] <amu> apokryphos: guess few weeks after breezy i'll make an public test for it, breezy is too broken at the oment  
[05:29] <amu> apokryphos: ... i was :) 
[05:29] <apokryphos> Let us know in here; I'll test it as soon as it's available. 
[05:29] <apokryphos> brokenbreezy; geh 8)
[05:30] <amu> I'm back to real live, there are more important things like irc/chat/linux/gnoppix in my live, they have priority. 
[05:30] <apokryphos> Definitely. :)
[05:31] <amu> apokryphos: sure, i'll let you know 
[05:31] <apokryphos> thanks!
[05:46] <slow-motion> hello
[05:47] <_liquidfire> hmm
[05:47] <_liquidfire> I just started KDE i tried running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[05:47] <_liquidfire> What did i do wrong :)
[05:49] <amu> probably you choose breezy in your sources.list *ducks* 
[05:49] <_liquidfire> nope
[05:49] <_liquidfire> i installed kde using ubuntu
[05:49] <_liquidfire> i.e apt-get kubuntu-desltop
[05:50] <amu> started KDE? what does this mean 
[05:50] <_liquidfire> I meant i just started using it
[05:50] <_liquidfire> instead of gnome
[05:51] <amu> kdm runs instead of gdm ? 
[05:51] <_liquidfire> yeah
[05:51] <amu> if you login what happens ? 
[05:51] <_liquidfire> it logs in
[05:51] <_liquidfire> :p
[05:51] <_liquidfire> i start kde then
[05:52] <Nate1> just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:52] <Nate1> heh
[05:52] <_liquidfire> well i know
[05:52] <amu> than everything is fine :)
[05:52] <amu> or not ? 
[05:52] <_liquidfire> but i want to go trough the autoconfig
[05:52] <_liquidfire> because my mouse needs the side buttons enabled :/
[05:52] <Nate1> ah
[05:52] <Nate1> 10-4
[05:53] <amu> kubuntu-desktop will not touch the xserver, it must be brocken with your ubuntu installation :D 
[05:53] <amu> than do what Nate1 said ... 
[05:54] <Nate1> placing kde on usually causes malfunctions in scripts
[05:54] <n0ha> hello
[05:54] <n0ha> need some help with apt-get
[05:54] <_liquidfire> n0ha:  whats up n :)
[05:54] <n0ha> when i do apt-get install mozilla-firefox, or whatever, i get 500 internal server error
[05:55] <n0ha> i can browse, apt-get update goes fine, but i cannot install anything
[05:55] <_liquidfire> are you using amd64 ?
[05:55] <n0ha> is something wrong with the sources server?
[05:55] <n0ha> nope
[05:55] <_liquidfire> then I don't know
[05:55] <_liquidfire> everything works fine here
[05:55] <_liquidfire> =/
[05:56] <n0ha> :(
[05:56] <n0ha> thx anyway
[05:57] <_liquidfire> So I cant run a reconfigure or anything Nate1, amu ?
[05:57] <Nate1> you ever use smart-upgrade?
[05:58] <Nate1> liquidfire
[05:58] <_liquidfire> nope
[05:58] <_liquidfire> never heard of it either :x
[05:58] <Nate1> that would most likely fix the problem....
[05:58] <Nate1> do you have synaptic?
[05:58] <_liquidfire> nopew
[05:58] <Nate1> apt-get synaptic
[05:58] <_liquidfire> can i install it under kde ?
[05:59] <Nate1> yes
[05:59] <_liquidfire> wait a sec
[05:59] <Nate1> aite
[05:59] <_liquidfire> ill do it
[05:59] <Nate1> you can get it with kynaptic
[05:59] <_liquidfire> lol 3 package managers 6_^ 
[06:00] <_liquidfire> hmm
[06:00] <_liquidfire> It seems I cant find it
[06:00] <Nate1> they all have their pros and cons
[06:00] <Nate1> heh
[06:00] <Nate1> it's there in the repositories, keep looking
[06:00] <_liquidfire> hmm
[06:01] <_liquidfire> do i need to add any extra repos ?
[06:01] <tanghus> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:01] <_liquidfire> i did
[06:01] <tanghus> hmm
[06:01] <_liquidfire> wierd
[06:01] <_liquidfire> now its working
[06:02] <_liquidfire> very strange -_-
[06:02] <_liquidfire> wells its installed now Nate1 
[06:02] <_liquidfire> whats next :D
[06:03] <Nate1> now, choose the upgrade all button, and select smart-upgrade
[06:03] <Nate1> but don't make smart-upgrade the default
[06:03] <_liquidfire> hmm
[06:03] <_liquidfire> i can't find it 
[06:03] <_liquidfire> in the menu 
[06:07] <Nate1> in synaptic it should just be a button
[06:07] <_liquidfire> no i mean
[06:07] <_liquidfire> I can't find synaptic
[06:08] <_liquidfire> nevermind
[06:08] <_liquidfire> i'm such a noob
[06:08] <_liquidfire> i typed syntapic
[06:08] <_liquidfire> omg
[06:09] <_liquidfire> i did smart update Nate1 but it isn't showing up any buttons
[06:09] <_liquidfire> like apply
[06:09] <_liquidfire> Oo
[06:11] <Nate1> yeah, apply it
[06:11] <_liquidfire> well i cant
[06:11] <_liquidfire> lol
[06:11] <_liquidfire> its greyed out
[06:11] <_liquidfire> i don't see any packages under upgradable either
[06:12] <_liquidfire> nevermind i got it working
[06:12] <_liquidfire> i looked at xserver
[06:13] <_liquidfire> somebody forgot to mention "xorg" as the last word on his site
[06:13] <_liquidfire> thanks for you time Nate1  :)
[06:13] <Nate1> haha
[06:13] <Nate1> you're welcome
[06:17] <pussfeller> whats with gwenview not seeing rars adn cbrs
[06:19] <apokryphos> n0ha: what's the error?
[06:32] <mihai> hello
[06:36] <spiral> hu
[06:36] <spiral> hi
[06:38] <n0ha> apokryphos: 500 internal server error
[06:39] <apokryphos> hm, that's not a client-side error
[06:39] <apokryphos> n0ha: what mirror are you using?
[06:39] <n0ha> apokryphos: http://archive.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <apokryphos> and on Hoary? Odd. Do you want to retry doing it now?
[06:40] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get update first
[06:40] <n0ha> after installation, it was set to sk.archive.ubuntu.com (i'm from slovakia), but then i tried us.archive.ubunut.com and archive.ubuntu.com without success
[06:40] <n0ha> i did that
[06:41] <n0ha> i tried apt-get clean, then apt-get update
[06:41] <apokryphos> you should use the one closest to you
[06:41] <n0ha> i know, but i get the same result, whatever mirror i try
[06:41] <apokryphos> is it for just that package or all packages?
[06:41] <n0ha> all packages
[06:42] <veraz> hi everyone !
[06:42] <apokryphos> n0ha: apt-get update gives no errors?
[06:42] <apokryphos> hi veraz!
[06:42] <n0ha> now i tried apt-get --print-uris install mozilla-firefox
[06:42] <n0ha> apokryphos: no, no errors
[06:42] <veraz> i have few questions , first how i can install fixedsys fonts(i really like them) ... \
[06:42] <n0ha> when i manually start to download the .deb i want, it works for me
[06:42] <apokryphos> :/
[06:43] <n0ha> apokryphos: can i debug somehow the apt-get download process?
[06:43] <n0ha> to see the headers it sends?
[06:44] <apokryphos> Not any way I know of; generally the error output is enough. Man page may help
[06:44] <apokryphos> if you don't resolve this you should try asking in #ubuntu
[06:44] <n0ha> i tried:)
[06:45] <n0ha> no success at all:(
[06:45] <apokryphos> n0ha: thing I guess you could try for now is to update your apt
[06:45] <apokryphos> actually a pretty simple way to do it; you can use adept, which will bring in newer version of aptitude
[06:45] <apokryphos> can see if the problem persists
[06:46] <apokryphos> also, if you don't get answers in #ubuntu, it's worth trying later; the same people aren't always in :)
[06:47] <n0ha> apokryphos: adept should be installed by default?
[06:47] <apokryphos> No. See /topic
[06:48] <veraz> second, iv ran the pppoeconf utility,and set up a pppoe connection but now every time i connect to the net  my /etc/resolv.conf file gets empty (my internal architechture is : my puter 10.0.0.1 and my ADSL modem is 10.0.0.138) and i cant use DNS ! :) anyone with a solution ?
[06:48] <n0ha> apokryphos: thx
[06:50] <veraz> anyone ?
[06:53] <apokryphos> veraz: fonts can be installed from KControl
[06:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i always found konqueror to be an easier way to install fonts
[06:55] <apokryphos> either way
[07:04] <slow-motion> i have installed superkaramba and the weather plugin, but the plugin does not show any data. how can i configure it?
[07:04] <apokryphos> slow-motion: right-click -> configure theme
[07:04] <apokryphos> if it's not showing then the most likely scenario is: you don't have the latest version of SK
[07:05] <apokryphos> Erm, JRE pack has been removed from hoary-extras. Great. :/
[07:06] <slow-motion> slow-motion: right-click -> configure theme < where? on the sk icon or on the area on the screen where the theme shall be but does not appear
[07:06] <apokryphos> slow-motion: what version of SK are you running? superkaramba --version
[07:07] <apokryphos> where the theme should be
[07:07] <jpatrick> slow-motion: download the lastest superkaramba verison and compile and install it
[07:07] <slow-motion> Qt: 3.3.3
[07:07] <slow-motion> KDE: 3.4.2
[07:07] <slow-motion> superkaramba: 0.36
[07:07] <apokryphos> where the theme *is*; it still runs even if it doesn't display, unless it hasn't crashed (unlikely)
[07:07] <jpatrick> the lastest is 0.37
[07:07] <apokryphos> unles you got an old version of SK, you cannot run Liquid Weather on that version
[07:08] <apokryphos> erm, bad phrasing
[07:08] <jpatrick> Compile the lastest one
[07:08] <slow-motion> jpatrick so you want to tell me what compiler i should take and how do i compile it. step by step?
[07:08] <apokryphos> slow-motion: very easy
[07:08] <jpatrick> yeah download the source
[07:08] <jpatrick> ./configure
[07:08] <jpatrick> make
[07:08] <jpatrick> make install
[07:08] <jpatrick> :p
[07:08] <_frank> untar
[07:08] <jpatrick> whatever
[07:09] <_frank> ;)
[07:09] <slow-motion> jpatrick that is the same i know
[07:09] <slow-motion> but i wont install a compiler
[07:09] <apokryphos> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[07:09] <slow-motion> i want to run it without
[07:09] <jpatrick> shame :p
[07:09] <apokryphos> you will likely ineed to install kde-devel and libx11-dev packs
[07:10] <jpatrick> and g++
[07:10] <apokryphos> won't install a compiler :/
[07:10] <pax> _frank comment ca roule chez vous mon ami :)
 slow-motion: right-click -> configure theme < nothing found like it
[07:10] <apokryphos> slow-motion: you're not clicking on the theme then
[07:10] <_frank> pax: ca va mais je doit partir
[07:10] <apokryphos> slow-motion: anyhow, that's nto going to work.
[07:10] <pax> ok :)
[07:10] <jpatrick> he won't get very far without a compiler
[07:11] <jpatrick> :/
[07:11] <apokryphos> Funny how changing the "Feedback" thing in KControl makes your system seem faster :P
[07:11] <slow-motion> jpatrick my system is running without a compiler
[07:11] <slow-motion> i need a kernel but no compiler
[07:13] <jpatrick> they're small little programs
[07:14] <pax> .. but kubuntu is like linux, isn't it?
[07:15] <OculusAquilae> pax: it IS a linux ditribution
[07:15] <pax> it doesn't say linux, it says for human beings tho
[07:15] <apokryphos> humanoids
[07:16] <jpatrick> it says "Linux for human beings"
[07:16] <slow-motion> if i want to compile everything i have, then i install gentoo
[07:16] <jpatrick> apokryphos: where's the feedback thing?
[07:16] <jpatrick> slow-motion: you don't have to compile everything
[07:16] <apokryphos> jpatrick: Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[07:17] <slow-motion> the menu pointt configure theme is there, but it is gray
[07:17] <jpatrick> slow-motion: Is that the lastest Liquid Weather?
[07:18] <slow-motion> it is the latest
[07:18] <apokryphos> which is the problem
[07:18] <apokryphos> the latest Liquid Weather requires the latest SK
[07:18] <jpatrick> I quote
[07:18] <pax> what's wrong with kweather?
[07:19] <jpatrick> "VERSIONS >= 7.0 REQUIRE SUPERKARAMBA V0.37"
[07:19] <apokryphos> pax: it's small and ugly
[07:19] <apokryphos> and gets in the way
[07:19] <jpatrick> from it's KDE-Look page
[07:19] <pax> I see
[07:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: in fairness, it also doesn't use 170% of the CPU time available :P
[07:23] <jpatrick> nikkia: kweather takes up more CPU here
[07:23] <pax> seems to be working fine with superkaramba 0.35 here
[07:24] <pax> all those eye-candy suckers eat resources
[07:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: Liquid Weather takes up little CPU, really, against popular belief :P. It doesn't run processes every few seconds
[07:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: took up a lot when i ran it
[07:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Speaking of superkaramba, why does it need xmms?
[07:25] <apokryphos> It has some "ingrained" xmms features
[07:25] <jpatrick> some themes use xmms
[07:25] <jpatrick> i don't like that...
[07:25] <pax> I think superkaramba will be included in KDE 3.5 by default
[07:25] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Me neither. I want xmms off my computer, but I want to keep superkaramba
[07:25] <jpatrick> it's part of Plasma
[07:26] <apokryphos> pax: no; it will be in Extragear
[07:26] <jpatrick> http://plasma.kde.org/
[07:28] <pax> apokryphos: really, they should've integrated this thingy is ksysguard
[07:28] <nikkia> wow
[07:28] <nikkia> i wondered why my web was slow....
[07:29] <apokryphos> pax: why?
[07:29] <nikkia> az is getting 650KB/s on a torrent :)
[07:29] <apokryphos> nice
[07:29] <pax> apokryphos: well, gives some eye-candy cpu/mem usage etc..
[07:29] <apokryphos> don't think I've ever reached that (with a torrent)
[07:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: private site, always get great rates
[07:29] <pax> sitting on a nice pipe there nikkia :)
[07:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: my experience with BT is, the more 'open' the source, the less download rate you'll get
[07:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: a site of 10 people == uber fast
[07:30] <apokryphos> pax: Or with the words of Monsieur Gagne "Don't merely monitor your system logs-give your system stats displays a certain je ne sais quoi with GUI tools."
[07:30] <nikkia> pax, 8Mbps DSL, same as apokryphos
[07:30] <pax> wow DSL, not even cable!
[07:30] <nikkia> altho i AM a little annoyed that NTL announced 35Mbps cable a day after my DSL was switched on
[07:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, probably quite true. I still rarely reach more than 200 Kb/s for films
[07:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: they w-h-a-t?
[07:31] <pax> apokryphos: I lost you, is that french?
[07:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: next year, they're gonna offer 35Mbps
[07:31] <apokryphos> pax: heh, yeah; from a Dot article
[07:31] <apokryphos> http://dot.kde.org/1083361714/
[07:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's insane
[07:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: apparently, aiming to hit 100Mbps by the end of 2007
[07:31] <apokryphos> our contract will end just in time. :P
[07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: contract?
[07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm on a month by month contract
[07:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: ours only came cheap if you went in for a year, IIRC.
[07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: its the one thing that made me feel a bit comforted when i read all the horror stories
[07:33] <apokryphos> heh
[07:33] <_joe> hello kubuntu users
[07:33] <apokryphos> any real complaints since?
[07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: not really
[07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've had some strange situations where BT suddenly 'stopped working', and it looked like i was being port blocked
[07:33] <_joe> anyone seen google earth
[07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: but i've put that down to the modem being a bit 'weird'
[07:34] <_joe> how do i get it to work on linux
[07:34] <_joe> i mean kubuntu
[07:34] <nikkia> joe, yeah, i even saw it when it was called keyhole :P
[07:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'd think that first :P
[07:34] <nikkia> joe, cedega might run it
[07:34] <_joe> cedega
[07:34] <nikkia> joe, but its a D3D app, always was, and the D3D support in regular wine is probably too shakey
[07:35] <_joe> my apologies i'm new to Kubuntu as an OS and even newer to Linux
[07:35] <nikkia> joe, cedega is a commercial version of wine (a program that lets you run windows programs on linux)
[07:35] <nikkia> its $15/month, but it runs game-like software a lot better than wine does
[07:36] <_joe> ohhh...................i see, so google earth can't be run on my pc as is then
[07:36] <nikkia> or is it $15/3mo, i forget
[07:36] <nikkia> joe, no
[07:36] <nikkia> you could TRY and install wine (its in the repositories), it MIGHT run, but i wouldn't put money on it
[07:36] <_joe> lol
[07:37] <_joe> its a bit of a struggle installing stuff haven't quite got the hang of it yet
[07:37] <nikkia> ah, yes, $5/mo in 3month chunks
[07:38] <_joe> i think i've barely managed to update the OS
[07:39] <nikkia> tbh, cedega is probably worth it, if you play games at all
[07:39] <_liquidfire> can somebody help me a sec howdo i compile/unpack tar
[07:40] <_liquidfire> i want to install an external program
[07:42] <amu> compile/unpack tar?
[07:43] <_joe> nah, play games on PS2
[07:43] <_liquidfire> wlel
[07:43] <amu> GT4 
[07:43] <_liquidfire> unpack it and then compile
[07:43] <_joe> My PC is pretty basic
[07:43] <DocTomoe> Is there a way to save a html file with all its images in konqueror? savinf the file only saves the hypertext, not the linked images.
[07:43] <_liquidfire> i want to install bittornado
[07:43] <amu> GT4 rocks on PS2 
[07:44] <_joe> are there any other multimedia players like Kaffeine out there, i'm looking for an alternative player to use in playing
[07:44] <apokryphos> pax: my mistake, SK is actually going into kdeutils, despite a lot suggesting Extragear
[07:44] <_liquidfire> _joe: 
[07:44] <_liquidfire> videolan
[07:44] <DocTomoe> _joe: Have you tried vlc?
[07:44] <_liquidfire> :o
[07:44] <_liquidfire> its great =] 
[07:44] <_joe> no
[07:44] <_liquidfire> but could anybody help me a sec :>
[07:44] <_joe> never heard of it
[07:44] <_liquidfire> http://www.bittornado.com/download.html i have no clue howto install
[07:44] <_joe> sorry LiquidFIre
[07:44] <_liquidfire> a tar.gz file
[07:44] <amu> _liquidfire: tar -xzvf extract the tar archive 
[07:45] <_joe> I'm not much good at linux stuff very much a beginner
[07:45] <DocTomoe> _liquidfire: try apt-get install bittornado ;)
[07:45] <_joe> i tend to stumble round
[07:45] <_liquidfire> ah lol
[07:45] <_liquidfire> i used dpkg
[07:45] <_liquidfire> but thats debian depackage right amu 
[07:45] <_liquidfire> :o
[07:45] <_joe> where do i get vlc and is it easy to install
[07:45] <_liquidfire> yea
[07:45] <apokryphos> !info vlc
[07:45] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[07:46] <_joe> i think the only command i know is apt-get and apt install
[07:46] <DocTomoe> _joe: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:46] <_liquidfire> _joe: 
[07:46] <_liquidfire> you need to edit your sources.list
[07:46] <_liquidfire> open a terminal
[07:46] <_liquidfire> type kate /etc/apt/source.list
[07:46] <pax> apokryphos: that's what I thought, seen that in some review. I dunno mate, it's a nice add-on for people who don't care about cpu/mem usage, but on the other hand, KDE is bloated enough as it is.
[07:46] <_joe> editting the source list i've done only once
[07:46] <_liquidfire> then unmark all the # servers
[07:46] <_liquidfire> ok
[07:47] <_liquidfire> you can search vlc with apt-cache search vlc
[07:47] <_joe> ok
[07:47] <mig> I was told tha kubuntu would not run on the original iMac, it is true?
[07:47] <_liquidfire> and then install vlc
[07:47] <_joe> cool
[07:47] <apokryphos> pax: I don't think it's that bloated, really. How big is the whole of kde?
[07:47] <_joe> i'll give that a try
[07:47] <_joe> thanks for that
[07:47] <_liquidfire> with sudo apt-get install vlc name
[07:47] <_liquidfire> no problem
[07:47] <_joe> sorry can't be of much help
[07:49] <pax> apokryphos: it is bloated compering to Gnome (which runs faster on older boxes btw), don't get me wrong I'm a KDE user, but gotta say it as it is.
[07:50] <apokryphos> pax: we have a lame lappy here, with gnome and kde, and I don't see any difference in speed
[07:50] <apokryphos> I think the term bloated is badly misused
[07:50] <apokryphos> more featureful != more bloated
[07:51] <_liquidfire> hmm amu its giving me some errors
[07:51] <_liquidfire> it says no such file or directory
[07:51] <_liquidfire> but i typed the first letters
[07:51] <_liquidfire> and then tabbed
[07:51] <_liquidfire> for full name
[08:01] <_StarScream> hi guys anyone here with a powerbook or ibook?
[08:03] <buz> is there a breezy install cd?
[08:04] <apokryphos> buz: yes; cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:04] <buz> thx
[08:04] <buz> gonna try installing it in vmware
[08:05] <buz> can i install from livecd?
[08:05] <apokryphos> nope
[08:06] <buz> same procedure as last year, then
[08:07] <buz> hopefully not same procedure as every year
[08:08] <hussam> something happened and now when I do sudo something, I get sudo: must be setuid root
[08:08] <hussam> what do I do?
[08:08] <buz> sudo lost suid bit maybe=
[08:08] <hussam> how should I fix that?
[08:08] <buz> chmod 6555 sudo
[08:09] <hussam> ok I did su then entered root password, now I do chmod 6555 sudo?
[08:09] <buz> yeah werever sudo lives ;)
[08:10] <buz> try ls -l sudo first
[08:10] <hussam> ls: sudo: No such file or directory
[08:10] <Ex-Cyber> er... which sudo ?
[08:11] <buz>  /usr/bin/sudo 
[08:11] <hussam> buz: so I do chmod 6555 /usr/bin/sudo ?
[08:12] <buz> yeah but try ls -l first
[08:12] <hussam> as root?
[08:12] <buz> what perms has it got?
[08:12] <buz> yes
[08:12] <buz> only root can set stuff suid root ;)
[08:13] <hussam> buz: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo resturned: -rwxr-xr-x  2 root root 95288 Jun 21 15:46 /usr/bin/sudo
[08:13] <hussam> now I do  chmod 6555 /usr/bin/sudo ?
[08:13] <buz> yeah it should be -rwsr-xr-x  2 root root 95288 2005-06-21 14:46 /usr/bin/sudo
[08:13] <buz> yes
[08:13] <buz> after that it should work
[08:14] <hussam> buz: thank you. that did it
[08:14] <hussam> buz: how do I check if other files in /usr/bin that might have wrong permissions?
[08:15] <buz> no idea
[08:15] <buz> youd have to have a list of proper perms first ;)
[08:15] <hussam> ah ok I see
[08:18] <hussam> buz: you knows the text that appears while booting when stuff is loading? Is it logged so I can review it?
[08:23] <Taker> Anyone from Austria here?
[08:23] <Taker> Please querry
[08:23] <_StarScream> Taker: nope why Austria ?
[08:24] <Taker> I've got a question to the default dsl-protocoll pptp.
[08:27] <_StarScream> http://www.shorewall.net/PPTP.htm
[08:27] <Taker> Thank you _StarScream 
[08:27] <_StarScream> np
[08:28] <Taker> _StarScream: Does DSL in Austria require mppe-encryption?
[08:29] <_joe> hi
[08:29] <_joe> i've just installed VLC
[08:29] <Taker> hi _joe 
[08:29] <_joe> I can play mp3 files
[08:29] <_joe> but not AVI
[08:29] <_StarScream> Taker: i don't know what that is sorry
[08:30] <_joe> any clues as to why the application VLC simply closes itself down whenever i try
[08:31] <_StarScream> Taker: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=773&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200504
[08:31] <_StarScream> try that
[08:31] <_StarScream> and search for austria
[08:31] <_StarScream> it MAY help
[08:32] <_StarScream> Taker: btw, which part of Austria are you in? saw on the news about the floods
[08:32] <_StarScream> is it as bad there as in switzerland?
[08:33] <Taker> _StarScream: I'm not from Austria.
[08:33] <_StarScream> ah..sorry, just assumed from the austrian question..
[08:38] <frogtone25> hello
[08:38] <frogtone25> i need to know if there is a theme package that i can get off of synaptic that is like mac os x panther
[08:39] <frogtone25> and i think that i need to add a repository to get it
[08:39] <frogtone25> but i dont know what that is
[08:39] <frogtone25> can someone please help me
[08:39] <hussam> Help, when I do locate something, I get /var/lib/slocate.db: permission denied
[08:40] <hussam> anybody?
[08:41] <hussam> I'm doing updatedb again to check
[08:46] <hussam> buz: you there?
[08:47] <buz> yes
[08:47] <buz> wondering why my drives push only 15mb/s with dma active
[08:48] <hussam> buz: another problem, when I do locate something, I get ocate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: Permission denied
[08:48] <buz> mhh no idea what perms it needs
[08:50] <tvo> hussam, -rw-r-----  1 root slocate 1608993 2005-08-24 15:49 slocate.db
[08:50] <tvo> in /var/lib/slocate
[08:51] <troglodyt> sudo updatedb should do it
[08:52] <hussam> tvo: how do I change to those permissions, I'll do sudo updatedb first though
[08:52] <tvo> k
[08:52] <hussam> I'm doing updatedb now, it just takes some time I guess
[08:52] <tvo> yup
[08:53] <hussam> the problem is that I tried a deb for an experimental program my friend is writing and I think it ruined some permissions in /usr/bin and /usr/lib
[08:54] <hussam> so far I have had to fix sudo and now updatedb
[08:55] <tvo> send me the deb and i'll take a look
[08:56] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Er, what deb package contains subversion?
[08:57] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Whoops, nevermind
[08:57] <hussam> tvo: updatedb give error updatedb: create_db(): chdir: No such file or directory
[08:58] <tvo> hussam, hmm maybe /var/lib/slocate doesn't exist
[08:58] <Tm_T> humm
[08:58] <hussam>  /var/lib/slocate exists
[08:58] <hussam> also /var/lib/slocate is empty
[09:00] <hussam> what should I do?
[09:01] <tvo> hussam, try: sudo /etc/cron.daily/slocate
[09:01] <tvo> instead of sudo updatedb
[09:01] <hussam> ok
[09:05] <ray_> you guys alive?
[09:05] <hussam> tvo: thanks sudo /etc/cron.daily/slocate did it
[09:06] <tvo> hussam, cool :-)
[09:07] <hussam> tvo: probably some other stuff are broken too, but this is what I ran across so far
[09:08] <tvo> hussam, if you're pretty sure that deb did it, i can take a look to see why
[09:08] <tvo> and tell you about other problems :)
[09:10] <hussam> the thing is that I delete it, but I'll tell the person to email it to me again
[09:19] <ray_> anyone connect to aol in here
[09:45] <brk3> is there a way to make kynaptic forget about broken packages etc? cause at the moment i cant install anything without havin to remove some vital packages that are apparantly 'broken'..
[10:04] <_liquidfire> I just installed abc-bittorent client with the deb package
[10:04] <_liquidfire> Where can I find where he installed the program
[10:04] <_liquidfire> It doesn't appear in any menu listing
[10:06] <Tm_T> run it from console?
[10:07] <_liquidfire> i tried
[10:07] <_liquidfire> but i don't know what command
[10:08] <Tm_T> abc-<tab>
[10:08] <Tm_T> ?
[10:08] <Tm_T> I mean, use tab to autocomplete =)
[10:08] <_liquidfire> hmm wierd
[10:08] <_liquidfire> it doesn't do anything
[10:09] <Tm_T> humm
[10:09] <Tm_T> hit twice
[10:09] <_liquidfire> nope
[10:09] <_liquidfire> =/
[10:09] <Tm_T> or just abc<tab>
[10:09] <_liquidfire> same 
[10:09] <_liquidfire> i don't see it in my hidden files either
[10:09] <Tm_T> um
[10:10] <_liquidfire> any idea where he may put it
[10:10] <jpowers> xorg is taking up 200megs of ram...is this normal?
[10:18] <ray_> umm
[10:19] <ray_> mine is only taking up 60 megs
[10:19] <buz>  7808 root      15   0  248m  84m 2664 S  2.0  9.6  12:47.06 Xorg
[10:20] <ray_> jpowers: how much ram you got?
[10:20] <jpowers> 1 gig
[10:20] <ray_> jpowers: so you got enough
[10:21] <jpowers> I have enough as long as I don't use the computer for anything really ram intensive.
[10:21] <jpowers> pan eats ram like nobody's business
[10:29] <Mustafa^^> Hi, I couldn't remove Lale (Lale is a Turkish-English Dictionary)
[10:29] <Mustafa^^> http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/goster.php?no=917
[10:37] <Mustafa^^> Are u sleeping?!?!? :D
[10:37] <buz> is ubuntuforums slashdotted?
[10:37] <buz> i admit it, i wanted to test e17 :(
[10:43] <apokryphos> buz: you can use the nooms repo, can't you?
[10:45] <buz> nooms?
[10:45] <apokryphos> !e
[10:45] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 Repo: deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary
[10:46] <buz> will that destroy kubuntu-desktop?
[10:46] <apokryphos> I don't see why
[10:51] <GameCat> hi
[10:51] <GameCat> can anyone point me to an apache tutorial for setting up https:// on kubuntu?  <-- apache n00b
[10:53] <Taker> Doest anyone want to play a round kwin4 over the internet with me?
[11:32] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Erm, how would I go about writing a script that goes to a specific directory, runs a command and then goes into background?
[12:02] <herbaz> hello guys 
[12:03] <herbaz> i'm really new in linux , i have just one Q how can i install Firefox really it's make me feel sick :S
[12:04] <herbaz> :D ?
[12:04] <Tm_T> in console: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:04] <Tm_T> got it?
[12:04] <herbaz> thanks pal , i tryied
[12:05] <herbaz> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:05] <herbaz> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:05] <herbaz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:05] <herbaz> is only available from another source
[12:05] <herbaz> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[12:05] <Tm_T> ?