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[05:40] !lilo:*! Adding a couple more patches to the testnet, restarting
[05:52] <Burgundavia> ogra, I see pitti has rejected mediawiki, hmm...
[06:41] <jsgotangco> main inclusion reports?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:42] <Burgundavia> the old moin/mediawiki stuff
[06:42] <jsgotangco> where is the url
[06:42] <jsgotangco> i wanna see
[06:44] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[06:44] <Burgundavia> hmm, seems he accepted it
[06:45] <Burgundavia> oh, he got overruled
[06:45] <Burgundavia> by sabdfl probably
[06:46] <jsgotangco> wow gcompris came in
[06:46] <Burgundavia> pitti has been ripping his hair out over the edubuntu stuff
[06:46] <jsgotangco> nvu got rejected
[06:46] <Burgundavia> contained some mozilla code
[06:46] <jsgotangco> ohh right
[06:46] <jsgotangco> and mozilla got dropped
[06:46] <Burgundavia> didn't want to maintain 2 copies of the same code
[06:46] <Burgundavia> no
[06:47] <Burgundavia> it acutally contained mozilla code, as opposed to linking to tit
[06:47] <jsgotangco> i thought it was dropped to universe
[06:47] <jsgotangco> (mozilla)
[06:47] <Burgundavia> nope
[06:47] <Burgundavia> that was the plan, but ff lacks some stuff for linking against, apparently
[06:48] <Burgundavia> FF 1.5 is going to be fun
[06:48] <jsgotangco> lol at pitti's comment on mediawiki
[06:49] <jsgotangco> he got the smackdown
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I feel sorry for him, but mediawiki is trully better for end users
[06:49] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:49] <jsgotangco> unfortunately, mediawiki does poorly on backporting fixes to old version
[06:50] <jsgotangco> just says everyone to upgrade
[06:50] <Burgundavia> mediawiki development is a mess
[06:50] <jsgotangco> its an awesome app for a rotten development language though
[06:51] <Burgundavia> the mediawiki developers really don't mind if someone writes them a better app in another langauge I am told
[06:51] <jsgotangco> Moin is good, it just needs a facelift really
[06:52] <Burgundavia> and a better markup language
[06:52] <Burgundavia> it is powerful but sucks for basic stuff, like linking
[06:53] <jsgotangco> did you finish the inclusion reports for edubuntu?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> ogra did in the end
[06:53] <Burgundavia> I did about a 3rd of them
[06:54] <jsgotangco> i wanted to help just didnt know where to start back then
[06:55] <Burgundavia> they were at the high-end of my skill level
[06:55] <Burgundavia> I left the server ones to ogra
[07:34] <highvoltage> ja
[07:34] <highvoltage> sorry, wrong window.
[08:48] <highvoltage> morning JaneW 
[08:57] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[08:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you reorg the wiki page?
[08:57] <JaneW> highvoltage:  if so, thanks :)
[08:58] <jsgotangco> mpt did
[09:07] <JaneW> oic thanks
[09:07] <JaneW> I wasn;t subscribed after the page moved...
[09:07] <JaneW> but not I looked at recent changes (d'oh)
[09:09] <JaneW> i think it was Rafi...
[09:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: i do have some good news though.
[09:18] <highvoltage> JaneW: elmo got my login sorted out last night, so we'll probably have some kind of web page by the end of the weekend.
[09:18] <highvoltage> JaneW: wiki will move to wiki.edubuntu.org, right?
[09:29] <JaneW> woohoo - yes I guess so, yay
[09:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: why weren't you at the wine tasting last night? (which actually turned out to be champagne tasting)
[09:30] <JaneW> *hick*
[09:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: had some other pressing issues.
[09:39] <JaneW> ok
[09:39] <JaneW> well we had an impromptu 'Office Idols' session
[09:39] <JaneW> and Vicki was Randall ;)
[09:48] <highvoltage> thank God i wasn't there then.
[09:59] <JaneW> lol
[10:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: do you have admin rights on the wiki pages or do I need to ask ... elmo
[10:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: elmo
[10:00] <JaneW> ok thanks
[10:03] <JaneW> ok I have mailed elmo
[10:06] <JaneW> I am trying to insert some educational quotes and need to edit the FortuneCookie page.
[10:07] <jsgotangco> "don't judge a book by its cover"
[10:07] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[10:07] <jsgotangco> "school sucks"
[10:07] <JaneW> hehe
[10:07] <jsgotangco> "everything i needed to learn, i learned in kindergarten"
[10:07] <JaneW> shall I add those...?
[10:07] <JaneW> ;)
[10:08] <JaneW> my fav so far is... When I think about all the crap I learned in high school . . . it's a wonder I can think at all. - Paul Simon 
[10:08] <jsgotangco> rock rock rock rock rock' n roll high school
[10:08] <jsgotangco> (the ramones)
[10:09] <JaneW> We don't need not education!
[10:09] <JaneW> s/not/no
[10:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:09] <jsgotangco> "hey teacher, leave those kids alone!"
[10:31] <JaneW> I have put up what I have at http://www.edubuntu.org/FortuneCookies2 (feel free to add to this list) - once I have the access rights I will move it to http://www.edubuntu.org/FortuneCookies, and they will display on the front page...
[10:38] <JaneW> added another from our very own Mark Shuttleworth ;)
[11:01] <jsgotangco> can i put "will code for food?"
[11:01] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:02] <JaneW> course
[11:04] <jsgotangco> "if i don't see edubuntu in october, ogra will feel the wrath of JaneW" - JaneW
[11:05] <JaneW> or "if i don't see edubuntu in october, ogra and JaneW will feel the wrath of mdz" - mdz
[11:05] <jsgotangco> "if i don't see edubuntu in october, you guys are screwed.." - sabdfl
[11:07] <JaneW> lmao
[11:07] <JaneW> that's the one
[11:09] <jsgotangco> alright its time to see if our new build works (currently installing)
[11:13] <jsgotangco> It's true that I dropped out of college to start Microsoft, but I was at Harvard for three years before dropping out?and I'd love to have the time to go back. As I've said before, nobody should drop out of college unless they believe they face the opportunity of a lifetime. And even then they should reconsider.
[11:13] <JaneW> pah
[11:13] <JaneW> bet he was paid to say that...
[11:14] <jsgotangco> http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/4/b/f4b62cb9-19f8-4bc9-b6f6-5bcb6159a2b7/myadvice.doc
[11:17] <JaneW> http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=vn20050825084103945C453242
[11:18] <ogra> JaneW, today my DSL dropped completely... :(
[11:18] <ogra> i cant stay online all the time, but will be here every hour or so... (isdn is very expensive without contract here)
[11:19] <jsgotangco> JaneW, you don't have to be so upset about it
[11:19] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[11:19] <jsgotangco> isdn? wow
[11:19] <jsgotangco> last time i heard about it is like 4 years ago
[11:19] <JaneW> jsgotangco: upset?
[11:19] <jsgotangco> Men are more intelligent, professor says
[11:19] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we still have ISDN here...
[11:20] <JaneW> jsgotangco: who said I was upset...
[11:20] <ogra> isdn is great, i love it... you just cant get sane contracts for it in germany
[11:20] <jsgotangco> its too expensive even in my place that it died a natural death in the mainstream internet use
[11:20] <ogra> i'd rather bundle 10 isdn lines than buy a DSL line if i had the choice
[11:21] <jsgotangco> but yes isdn is actually much cleaner
[11:21] <JaneW> argh I can't access my mailbox - why!?
[11:21] <ogra> but they bill minute prices for it... no flatrates or any other sane contracts
[11:21] <jsgotangco> because men made it?
[11:21] <JaneW> probably...
[11:22] <JaneW> :P
[11:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: my mail is fine.
[11:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: It was using mail fine earlier, then it started failing
[11:23] <jsgotangco> ogra, it seems the daily edubuntu for today is again broken in stage 2
[11:23] <jsgotangco> but i can do a workaround by killing the usual aptitude
[11:23] <JaneW> ping workis...
[11:23] <JaneW> works
[11:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats ver strange, where does it hang exactly, did you look at the console this time ?
[11:24] <highvoltage> what's the best way for a user to report a bug they only experience in ubuntu's openoffice package? someone just asked me, and i'm not quite sure.
[11:25] <jsgotangco> yes it stops when it wants to install/download from untrusted sources
[11:25] <jsgotangco> around 10%
[11:31] <jsgotangco> ogra, what build is your (breezy) edubuntu in your ubuntu shell account?
[11:31] <ogra> aug 18th 
[11:32] <jsgotangco> hmm it seems it downloaded from the network as i have gdm
[11:32] <ogra> i test installed it several times, the dailys still suffer ubuntu breakage... (and todays suffers my broken DSL, since i couldnt upload my fixes before the build yesterday)
[11:33] <jsgotangco> ogra, aug. 18 build is pretty solid
[11:34] <ogra> yep
[11:34] <ogra> thats why its so sad that it dissapeared from the archive... it was a PITA to get it up again :) but at least we have something to test...
[11:36] <jsgotangco> ok im testing this on a bigger server downloading the meta packages now
[11:36] <jsgotangco> im in a friends lab in school
[11:36] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:37] <ogra> yay
[11:37] <ogra> i had some ideas for ldm prettyfication... i'll try them today
[11:37] <jsgotangco> (its a local college has 20 pcs)
[11:38] <jsgotangco> i did a talk this morning, pimped to the faculty to let me play around a bit till 7pm
[11:40] <jsgotangco> DanielC, hi
[11:40] <DanielC> hi
[11:40] <DanielC> DHCP hates me :-(
[11:41] <DanielC> I can't start the DHCP server. It says that my dhcpd.conf is wrong I think.
[11:41] <DanielC> But I don't know anything about dhcpd.conf. I sent a detailed message to the list.
[11:41] <jsgotangco> give me a minute im in a lab i'll see what's wrong
[11:41] <DanielC> ok, thank you.
[11:42] <ogra> highvoltage, i think i had a idea tonight for a kind of xdmcp to connect to different servers through ldm... lets see if it works as i thought ... (i have no second server to test though)
[11:42] <ogra> highvoltage, but it will only work with edubuntu ltsp...
[11:44] <jsgotangco> hmmm it took postfix?
[12:19] <jsgotangco> hmm it takes a while
[12:19] <jsgotangco> wonder what is wrong...
[12:22] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:24] <JaneW> 200 ppl joined our mailing list - but with a few unsubsribes as well, we now have 190 members...
[12:24] <DanielC> And none of them seem to know how to configure dhcpd.conf  :-(
[12:26] <DanielC> ifconfig also says that eth1 doesn't have an address or netmask (it should be 192.168.0.1 - static, since that's where the DHCP server is supposed to listen).
[12:26] <DanielC> Maybe the problem is in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <DanielC> but I don't know what else to try there.
[12:27] <DanielC> Does anyone know how to use ifconfig to assign an address and netmask to eth1? I've read the man page, but I'm not any closer to a solution than before.
[12:29] <JaneW> where's ogra?
[12:29] <DanielC> no idea...
[12:29] <JaneW> DanielC: am I correct that this is not an edubuntu specific question (or is it?)
[12:29] <DanielC> I don't know :(
[12:29] <DanielC> It might be.
[12:30] <DanielC> It might be something about the way edubuntu is configured. I would guess that's what it is.
[12:31] <JaneW> DanielC: I don;t know much about it, but when I was fidling here at home I had to set up a static connection with default gateway
[12:32] <JaneW> DanielC: once it was succesfully conected I cahnged the setting to DHCP and it was fine after that...
[12:32] <DanielC> I'm not sure I follow what you just said...
[12:32] <JaneW> not sure why, but it was like it couldn't find the default gateway without being told the first time *shrug*
[12:33] <DanielC> I can connect to the internet fine (this is on eth0). My problems are on the other hard (eth1). The one that connects to the thin clients.
[12:33] <DanielC> the other /card/
[12:34] <JaneW> ok
[02:09] <DanielC> Ok. My thin clients can get an IP from the DHCP server, but they won't boot. On the client I see the message "Loading 192.168.0.1:/ltsp/pxelinux.0" and it just hangs there.
[02:10] <DanielC>  /ltsp/pxelinux.0 doesn't exist.
[02:10] <DanielC> But /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.0 does exist (on the server).
[02:11] <DanielC> So I guess that's the right one. But I don't know where to configure the path for the kernel image to boot from.
[02:11] <DanielC> Does anyone know?
[02:12] <DanielC> I tried in dhcpd.conf but that wasn't it.
[02:34] <DanielC> Does anyone know when ogra or jsgotangco is coming back? :-)
[03:05] <Petaris> hrm
[03:06] <Petaris> I am getting a segmentation fault during client boot at /etc/rcS.d/S02mountvirtfs
[03:09] <Petaris> rebooting doesn't seem to help
[03:09] <Petaris> :/
[03:11] <JaneW> :/
[03:13] <Petaris> Has Ogra been around latly?
[03:14] <mpt> ogra was here yesterday
[03:15] <JaneW> he was in this am
[03:15] <JaneW> he is having problems with his ISDN line
[03:15] <JaneW> he is responding to e-mail ...
[03:22] <Petaris> ok
[03:22] <Petaris> hrm
[03:23] <Petaris> This client issue only happened after I upgraded the ltsp-build-client stuff yesterday
[03:51] <Petaris> Not only are they not letting me move files from one volume to another, they are also striping the permissions off  :(
[03:51] <Petaris> of my users folders
[03:51] <Petaris> I will be resetting permissions all day now
[03:52] <Petaris> ;(
[04:02] <highvoltage> Petaris: yes, with sygwin ;)
[04:02] <highvoltage> (i think)
[04:03] <Petaris> cygwin, but I meant nativly
[04:03] <Petaris> I should have just moved all of these user folders onto a linux server
[04:04] <Petaris> It would have been much simpler over all
[04:09] <highvoltage> Petaris: or you could have tarred it up first, tar keeps your permissions
[04:13] <Petaris> hrm
[04:13] <Petaris> but I think I would have still hit the permissions errors
[04:13] <Petaris> even though they are set correctly