[12:06] <\sh> nice
[12:07] <jblack> in bazaar 2.0, a new directory is also ignored until added (but bzr add dirname/ adds everything recursively)
[12:07] <lathiat_> jblack: can you override that behavior? (its not always desired)
[12:07] <jblack> There's been recent talk to allow for just that. :) 
[12:07] <lathiat_> jblack: cool
[12:08] <lathiat_> jblack: because take for example autotools
[12:08] <lathiat_> i dont want my Makefile in there
[12:08] <lathiat_> if i already generated it
[12:08] <jblack> Oh, I think the current case is ideal then.
[12:08] <\sh> ignores
[12:08] <jblack> bzr add dir; baz remove Makefile
[12:08] <lathiat_> well you could do that
[12:08] <lathiat_> i suppose both should be supported
[12:08] <jblack> We're grown up professionals. We can think in set notation. :) 
[12:08] <lathiat_> because
[12:09] <ajmitch> also use .bzrignore
[12:09] <lathiat_> depending on whether the dir has lots to be included
[12:09] <lathiat_> or lots to be ignored
[12:09] <lathiat_> 1 would be faster than the other
[12:09] <jblack> Yeah. So I think all three methods for that particular problem will be supported. 
[12:09] <ajmitch> the bazaar-ng mailing list is also fairly active
[12:09] <jblack> Martin is the final judge, jury and executioner though..
[12:09] <lathiat_> I'll bribe him
[12:10] <jblack> Oh, not necessary.
[12:10] <lathiat_> hehe jk :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> what beer does he like? 
[12:10] <lathiat_> i really need to get daniels that case i owe him
[12:10] <lathiat_> wonder if any stores deliver
[12:10] <jblack> Unlike a certain Lom Tord, he handles logical arguments very well and can be persuaded if you give him reasoning that exeeds his. 
[12:10] <\sh> jblack: So I can poke you for some services for some ubuntu volunteer development projects? it looks like that I have to use baz or bzr depends for a project latest after breezy release
[12:10] <ajmitch> lathiat_: I think mpool might be in sydney
[12:10] <jblack> \sh: Heh. I'm *asking* you to. 
[12:11] <jblack> My primary focus is to assist projects in moving to bazaar. :) 
[12:11] <lathiat_> ajmitch: canberra
[12:11] <siretart> jblack: what helper scripts/frontends to baz would you recommend to package maintainers?
[12:11] <ajmitch> jblack: great, so that's why you've been helping madduck along :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> lathiat_: ah yes
[12:11] <jblack> Of course, projects (at least small ones), don't change their minds, make decisions, or migrate... people do.
[12:11] <ajmitch> too many australians in #bzr
[12:12] <siretart> ajmitch: lol
[12:12] <jblack> ajmitch: Exactly. I'd like to work with 3-4 people like madduck a day (3 new, 1 from the day prior)
[12:13] <ajmitch> jblack: I'm also in the pkg-zope team, so his findings are always interesting
[12:13] <jblack> definitely cool.
[12:13] <\sh> bah..I had a strange dream now
[12:14] <ajmitch> \sh: what post-breezy projects do you have in mind?
[12:14] <\sh> world domination of ubuntu linux / VCS systems / and all software under one roof ,-)
[12:14] <\sh> ajmitch: shtoomvoip...i need to set up our own repos
[12:14] <lathiat_> heh
[12:14] <jblack> Oh, I almost forgot to mention. You guys want to help me help others, because its going to eventually make your jobs a *LOT* easier. 
[12:14] <lathiat_> \sh: fix i810 alsa on shtoom
[12:14] <lathiat_> \sh: 2 secs audio delay in the internal audio handling is the suck
[12:15] <\sh> lathiat_: alsa is a problem...use oss instead ,-)
[12:15] <ajmitch> \sh: rock on :)
[12:15] <lathiat_> \sh: bah i was told the other way around
[12:15] <jblack> Oh, and if you bring me people I can convert, I'll buy you beer (thats not a bribe, thats appreciation) :) 
[12:15] <ajmitch> jblack: I probably already owe you a beer or three
[12:15] <lathiat_> jblack: will you fly to australia to give it to me? :)
[12:15] <ajmitch> lathiat_: nah, you need to fly to UBZ
[12:15] <lathiat_> who'l pay for it? ;p
[12:16] <jblack> lathiat: Anything is possible. I've already been to australia in the last 6 months, and might go again some other time.
[12:16] <ajmitch> you might get sponsored, see the wiki
[12:16] <\sh> hmmm....
[12:16] <lathiat_> ajmitch: ooooohhhh, where?
[12:16] <ajmitch> UbuntuBelowZero, of course :)
[12:16] <\sh> Gentoo with a bazaar repository instead of cvs/svn *lol*
[12:16] <lathiat_> im a sucker for making people pay for me to go places
[12:16] <lathiat_> ajmitch: oh i mean where on the wiki ;p
[12:16] <lathiat_> i got lca04 and 05 to pay for me *G*
[12:17] <jblack> So, anything else for me, guys? 
[12:17] <lathiat_> jblack: rock on!
[12:17] <ajmitch> lathiat_: uh, that is the wiki page :)
[12:17] <jblack> Other than me telling you guys thanks for doing such an incredible job? :) 
[12:17] <ajmitch> jblack: no, I'll be sure to bug you as I do
[12:17] <lathiat_> ajmitch: i dont see any info
[12:17] <\sh> jblack: thx :) I will see what I can do to hype some known devs to switch to baz/bzr...
[12:17] <lathiat_> oh
[12:17] <lathiat_> found it
[12:17] <ajmitch> heh
[12:18] <jblack> \sh: You're welcome to! Don't forget that I'm here, and that if you come up with somebody that you don't feel like converting, I'm ready to jump in with both feet. 
[12:19] <\sh> jblack: well...i'm capricorn u know..and I play and test first, before I sell some chocolate cakes to the masses :)
[12:19] <ajmitch> it'd be nicer if savannah & SF supported arch
[12:19] <jblack> They already do, indirectly. :) 
[12:19] <ajmitch> savannah doesn't, afaik
[12:19] <jblack> I can't let any secrets out too soon, but I wouldn't worry about savannah and SF supporting arch. :) 
[12:20] <ajmitch> good
[12:20] <jblack> (don't try and read that between the lines, becuase you'll certainly guess wrong) 
[12:20] <\sh> hmmm...
[12:20] <ajmitch> I'll just ask directly then :)
[12:20] <lathiat_> haha
[12:20] <\sh> i just read: mark bought SF.net ,-)
[12:20] <jblack> Think.. launchpad.. bazaar... hct...  
[12:20] <lathiat_> jblack: what about above the lines?
[12:21] <ajmitch> ok, I see savannah says they'll support GNU Arch via SFTP soon
[12:21] <jblack> \sh: Oh, not that I've heard of. 
[12:21] <lathiat_> lol
[12:21] <ajmitch> 'ready within a week', posted 2 weeks ago
[12:21] <\sh> jblack: just joking :)
[12:21] <jblack> I mean more along the lines of: Will SF and savannah matter a year from now... 
[12:21] <ajmitch> yes
[12:21] <\sh> jblack: but I could imagine, that the combination of all system there are on launchpad already could make a good replacement for sf.net/savannah
[12:21] <ajmitch> I'd say they will
[12:22] <ajmitch> for the same reasons of inertia that people stick with cvs/svn
[12:22] <jblack> ajmitch: Well, I'm a leo. That means I'm stubborn and am accustomed to getting people over to my way of thinking. :) 
[12:23] <ajmitch> and that launchpad is not (yet) free software
[12:23] <jblack> So give me the cvs guys.. and I'll do my best to help them see the light and migrate across. 
[12:23] <\sh> and well...yeah...in 4h i have to wake up, will have a shower, and will walk to the office
[12:23] <ajmitch> jblack: sure, I have a project I'd like converted :)
[12:24] <\sh> so..gentlemen..I will leave now...
[12:24] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[12:24] <jblack> \sh: No problem. Don't shower and still go to the office. THen go into the boss' office and discuss the idea of telecommuting. :) 
[12:24] <ajmitch> night \sh 
[12:24] <siretart> gn8 \sh 
[12:24] <\sh> jblack: thanks again for giving us a short overview of bazaar 1.x/2.x I would like to talk to you later, how I can accomplish some tasks with it..:) 
[12:25] <\sh> jblack: btw..how old is your child? :)
[12:25] <jblack> Ok guys. I'm off to dinner. Please don't stop making the distro that lives on my machines. :) 
[12:25] <ajmitch> see you later, jblack 
[12:25] <jblack> She is 11 and her name is Laura. You can see pictures of her at http://gallery.linuxguru.net
[12:26] <\sh> jblack: nice my son is 11 as well :) 
[12:26] <sistpoty> cya jblack
[12:26] <jblack> Keep him away from my daughter until she turns 18. :) 
[12:27] <jblack> (that was meant to be funny) 
[12:27] <lathiat_> haha
[12:27] <\sh> jblack: hehe....:) he is a womanizer...half indian
[12:27] <jblack> THen its not meant to be funny. :) 
[12:28] <\sh> (but he doesn't realize the fact)
[12:28] <\sh> all girls in his primary school were stucked on him ;)
[12:29] <\sh> http://shermann.blogweb.de/uploads/AUT_0250.JPG
[12:29] <\sh> this is him :) 
[12:30] <jblack> She says he's cute. 
[12:30] <jblack> I told her that she's not allowed to meet him for another 7 years.
[12:30] <\sh> hahaha
[12:30] <lathiat_> haha
[12:31] <jblack> whoops. 18:30. Hope to hear from you guys soon. :) 
[12:31] <\sh> jblack: see u around :)
[12:31] <jblack> btw, where do you guys normally meet, so that I can stalk you down? 
[12:31] <jblack> meet/hang out
[12:31] <\sh> jblack: ubuntu-motu/-devel 
[12:32] <jblack> Ok. I'm there. :) 
[12:32] <\sh> jblack: jabber is also good sh@linux-server.org <- my jabber id
[12:33] <jblack> I typically don't run im clients. The away status thing makes me feel watched. 
[12:34] <lathiat_> jblack: turn off auto-away :)
[12:34] <lathiat_> or set yourself permanantly away ;p
[12:34] <\sh> jblack: well...I'm installing tomorrow a jabber client on my cell that's why,-)
[12:35] <jblack> I've tried that. kopete is borked.
[12:35] <\sh> jblack: psi or on gnome: gajim 
[12:35] <lathiat_> tahts because your one of those kde users
[12:35] <lathiat_> gajim is good
[12:36] <\sh> lathiat_: tststs
[12:36] <jblack> Yeah. I was the first ubuntu kde user.
[12:36] <\sh> jblack: for jabber: use psi
[12:36] <\sh> nothing else
[12:36] <\sh> for gnome: gajim 
[12:36] <jblack> Tried psi. there was something about it that I didn't like
[12:36] <\sh> then w8 for kajim ,-)
[12:36] <lathiat_> haha
[12:37] <\sh> lathiat_: no joke...I will do it 
[12:37] <\sh> kde jabber client in python
[12:37] <lathiat_> why not like
[12:37] <lathiat_> just use gajim
[12:37] <jblack> I'd rather a virtual irc interface. ;) 
[12:37] <lathiat_> jblack: bitlbee
[12:37] <lathiat_> jblack: does that
[12:37] <lathiat_> does for msn and icq too
[12:38] <jblack> man, free software is awesome. 
[12:38] <lathiat> yeh
[12:38] <lathiat> tis isnt it
[12:38] <\sh> anyways...sleeping now...thx guys :)
[12:38] <lathiat> bah sleep
[12:38] <lathiat> is for the weak
[12:38] <\sh> lathiat: wrapup at the end of the week?
[12:39] <lathiat> \sh: hm?
[12:39] <\sh> motu meeting
[12:40] <\sh> anyways...need to go...cu later today 
[10:55] <dholbach> hey
[10:55] <dholbach> does anybody know who else (apart from ogra) is an adminstrator for the launchpad motu group?
[10:55] <dholbach> oops
[10:56] <Mithrandir> ECHAN? :-)
[10:56] <lathiat> haha
[10:56] <dholbach> yep :)
[10:56] <dholbach> ECOFFEE as well :)
[10:56] <\sh> dholbach: anybody?