[12:06] <\sh> nice [12:07] in bazaar 2.0, a new directory is also ignored until added (but bzr add dirname/ adds everything recursively) [12:07] jblack: can you override that behavior? (its not always desired) === ajmitch at work, finally :) [12:07] There's been recent talk to allow for just that. :) [12:07] jblack: cool [12:08] jblack: because take for example autotools [12:08] i dont want my Makefile in there [12:08] if i already generated it [12:08] Oh, I think the current case is ideal then. [12:08] <\sh> ignores [12:08] bzr add dir; baz remove Makefile [12:08] well you could do that [12:08] i suppose both should be supported [12:08] We're grown up professionals. We can think in set notation. :) [12:08] because [12:09] also use .bzrignore [12:09] depending on whether the dir has lots to be included [12:09] or lots to be ignored [12:09] 1 would be faster than the other [12:09] Yeah. So I think all three methods for that particular problem will be supported. [12:09] the bazaar-ng mailing list is also fairly active [12:09] Martin is the final judge, jury and executioner though.. [12:09] I'll bribe him [12:10] Oh, not necessary. [12:10] hehe jk :) [12:10] what beer does he like? [12:10] i really need to get daniels that case i owe him [12:10] wonder if any stores deliver [12:10] Unlike a certain Lom Tord, he handles logical arguments very well and can be persuaded if you give him reasoning that exeeds his. [12:10] <\sh> jblack: So I can poke you for some services for some ubuntu volunteer development projects? it looks like that I have to use baz or bzr depends for a project latest after breezy release [12:10] lathiat_: I think mpool might be in sydney [12:10] \sh: Heh. I'm *asking* you to. [12:11] My primary focus is to assist projects in moving to bazaar. :) [12:11] ajmitch: canberra [12:11] jblack: what helper scripts/frontends to baz would you recommend to package maintainers? [12:11] jblack: great, so that's why you've been helping madduck along :) [12:11] lathiat_: ah yes [12:11] Of course, projects (at least small ones), don't change their minds, make decisions, or migrate... people do. [12:11] too many australians in #bzr [12:12] ajmitch: lol [12:12] ajmitch: Exactly. I'd like to work with 3-4 people like madduck a day (3 new, 1 from the day prior) [12:13] jblack: I'm also in the pkg-zope team, so his findings are always interesting [12:13] definitely cool. [12:13] <\sh> bah..I had a strange dream now [12:14] \sh: what post-breezy projects do you have in mind? === dredg [n=niall@212.17.56.65] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:14] <\sh> world domination of ubuntu linux / VCS systems / and all software under one roof ,-) [12:14] <\sh> ajmitch: shtoomvoip...i need to set up our own repos [12:14] heh [12:14] Oh, I almost forgot to mention. You guys want to help me help others, because its going to eventually make your jobs a *LOT* easier. [12:14] \sh: fix i810 alsa on shtoom [12:14] \sh: 2 secs audio delay in the internal audio handling is the suck [12:15] <\sh> lathiat_: alsa is a problem...use oss instead ,-) [12:15] \sh: rock on :) [12:15] \sh: bah i was told the other way around [12:15] Oh, and if you bring me people I can convert, I'll buy you beer (thats not a bribe, thats appreciation) :) [12:15] jblack: I probably already owe you a beer or three [12:15] jblack: will you fly to australia to give it to me? :) === \sh is converted long ago.. [12:15] lathiat_: nah, you need to fly to UBZ [12:15] who'l pay for it? ;p [12:16] lathiat: Anything is possible. I've already been to australia in the last 6 months, and might go again some other time. === lathiat_ grins [12:16] you might get sponsored, see the wiki [12:16] <\sh> hmmm.... [12:16] ajmitch: ooooohhhh, where? === lathiat_ looks [12:16] UbuntuBelowZero, of course :) [12:16] <\sh> Gentoo with a bazaar repository instead of cvs/svn *lol* [12:16] im a sucker for making people pay for me to go places [12:16] ajmitch: oh i mean where on the wiki ;p [12:16] i got lca04 and 05 to pay for me *G* [12:17] So, anything else for me, guys? [12:17] jblack: rock on! [12:17] lathiat_: uh, that is the wiki page :) [12:17] Other than me telling you guys thanks for doing such an incredible job? :) [12:17] jblack: no, I'll be sure to bug you as I do [12:17] ajmitch: i dont see any info [12:17] <\sh> jblack: thx :) I will see what I can do to hype some known devs to switch to baz/bzr... [12:17] oh [12:17] found it [12:17] heh [12:18] \sh: You're welcome to! Don't forget that I'm here, and that if you come up with somebody that you don't feel like converting, I'm ready to jump in with both feet. [12:19] <\sh> jblack: well...i'm capricorn u know..and I play and test first, before I sell some chocolate cakes to the masses :) [12:19] it'd be nicer if savannah & SF supported arch [12:19] They already do, indirectly. :) [12:19] savannah doesn't, afaik [12:19] I can't let any secrets out too soon, but I wouldn't worry about savannah and SF supporting arch. :) [12:20] good [12:20] (don't try and read that between the lines, becuase you'll certainly guess wrong) [12:20] <\sh> hmmm... [12:20] I'll just ask directly then :) [12:20] haha [12:20] <\sh> i just read: mark bought SF.net ,-) [12:20] Think.. launchpad.. bazaar... hct... [12:20] jblack: what about above the lines? === lathiat_ laughs at \sh [12:21] ok, I see savannah says they'll support GNU Arch via SFTP soon [12:21] \sh: Oh, not that I've heard of. [12:21] lol [12:21] 'ready within a week', posted 2 weeks ago [12:21] <\sh> jblack: just joking :) === ajmitch checks the savannah lists [12:21] I mean more along the lines of: Will SF and savannah matter a year from now... [12:21] yes [12:21] <\sh> jblack: but I could imagine, that the combination of all system there are on launchpad already could make a good replacement for sf.net/savannah [12:21] I'd say they will [12:22] for the same reasons of inertia that people stick with cvs/svn [12:22] ajmitch: Well, I'm a leo. That means I'm stubborn and am accustomed to getting people over to my way of thinking. :) [12:23] and that launchpad is not (yet) free software [12:23] So give me the cvs guys.. and I'll do my best to help them see the light and migrate across. [12:23] <\sh> and well...yeah...in 4h i have to wake up, will have a shower, and will walk to the office [12:23] jblack: sure, I have a project I'd like converted :) [12:24] <\sh> so..gentlemen..I will leave now... [12:24] gn8 \sh [12:24] \sh: No problem. Don't shower and still go to the office. THen go into the boss' office and discuss the idea of telecommuting. :) [12:24] night \sh [12:24] gn8 \sh [12:24] <\sh> jblack: thanks again for giving us a short overview of bazaar 1.x/2.x I would like to talk to you later, how I can accomplish some tasks with it..:) [12:25] <\sh> jblack: btw..how old is your child? :) [12:25] Ok guys. I'm off to dinner. Please don't stop making the distro that lives on my machines. :) [12:25] see you later, jblack [12:25] She is 11 and her name is Laura. You can see pictures of her at http://gallery.linuxguru.net [12:26] <\sh> jblack: nice my son is 11 as well :) [12:26] cya jblack [12:26] Keep him away from my daughter until she turns 18. :) [12:27] (that was meant to be funny) [12:27] haha [12:27] <\sh> jblack: hehe....:) he is a womanizer...half indian [12:27] THen its not meant to be funny. :) [12:28] <\sh> (but he doesn't realize the fact) [12:28] <\sh> all girls in his primary school were stucked on him ;) [12:29] <\sh> http://shermann.blogweb.de/uploads/AUT_0250.JPG [12:29] <\sh> this is him :) [12:30] She says he's cute. [12:30] I told her that she's not allowed to meet him for another 7 years. [12:30] <\sh> hahaha [12:30] haha [12:31] whoops. 18:30. Hope to hear from you guys soon. :) [12:31] <\sh> jblack: see u around :) [12:31] btw, where do you guys normally meet, so that I can stalk you down? [12:31] meet/hang out [12:31] <\sh> jblack: ubuntu-motu/-devel [12:32] Ok. I'm there. :) [12:32] <\sh> jblack: jabber is also good sh@linux-server.org <- my jabber id [12:33] I typically don't run im clients. The away status thing makes me feel watched. [12:34] jblack: turn off auto-away :) [12:34] or set yourself permanantly away ;p [12:34] <\sh> jblack: well...I'm installing tomorrow a jabber client on my cell that's why,-) [12:35] I've tried that. kopete is borked. [12:35] <\sh> jblack: psi or on gnome: gajim [12:35] tahts because your one of those kde users [12:35] gajim is good [12:36] <\sh> lathiat_: tststs [12:36] Yeah. I was the first ubuntu kde user. [12:36] <\sh> jblack: for jabber: use psi [12:36] <\sh> nothing else [12:36] <\sh> for gnome: gajim [12:36] Tried psi. there was something about it that I didn't like [12:36] <\sh> then w8 for kajim ,-) [12:36] haha [12:37] <\sh> lathiat_: no joke...I will do it [12:37] <\sh> kde jabber client in python [12:37] why not like [12:37] just use gajim [12:37] I'd rather a virtual irc interface. ;) [12:37] jblack: bitlbee [12:37] jblack: does that [12:37] does for msn and icq too [12:38] man, free software is awesome. [12:38] yeh [12:38] tis isnt it [12:38] <\sh> anyways...sleeping now...thx guys :) [12:38] bah sleep [12:38] is for the weak [12:38] <\sh> lathiat: wrapup at the end of the week? [12:39] \sh: hm? 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