[12:24] <tseng> so gtk 2.8 does some really funky stuff on our windows X clients
[12:25] <tseng> the text is all yellow and stuff
[12:26] <ajmitch> sounds weird
[12:26] <tseng> yeah the x server blows
[12:26] <tseng> i installed xming and it works great over ssh
[12:26] <tseng> but it doesnt allow direct connections
[12:27] <tseng> need to fish xhost exe out of a full cygwin install
[12:27] <tseng> and run that
[12:27] <tseng> will test it tommorow.
[12:27] <sistpoty> hm... i had a strange color problem with xosview... and solved that by installing xrgb
[12:27] <tseng> just installing it?
[12:27] <sistpoty> yep
[12:27] <tseng> um
[12:28] <tseng> ok..
[12:28] <sistpoty> the x color definitions are in there... but i dunno if gtk2.8 uses these
[12:28] <tseng> ill mail myself about that
[12:28] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:29] <ajmitch> last colour issues I had was with NX on OSX
[12:29] <ajmitch> everything was tinted off-colour, like it was an endian issue
[12:29] <tseng> oh man
[12:29] <tseng> there used to be an endian issue in openbox
[12:29] <tseng> the screenshots were horrific
[12:29] <ajmitch> it was like looking at your desktop through yellow cellophane
[12:30] <tseng> the background was ok
[12:30] <tseng> but there was yellow ghosting around the text
[12:30] <tseng> turning off AA made the text blue
[12:30] <ajmitch> yeah, that sounds about right
[12:30] <tseng> hm
[12:30] <tseng> well i am throwing out "X Manager"
[12:30] <tseng> its crap on many levels
[12:30] <tseng> xming is a real xorg on win32
[12:31] <tseng> and it has a "just works" install
[12:31] <ajmitch> is mono in backports at the moment?
[12:31] <tseng> maybe pieces
[12:31] <tseng> i stopped hearing about it
[12:31] <ajmitch> someone asking about installing f-spot on ubuntu in #f-spot, gimpnet
[12:31] <tseng> not like i have time now anyway
[12:32] <ajmitch> welcome, jblack
[12:32] <tseng> the joke at work is they have to cancel my contract and extend me a real job so i can work more than 40 hours
[12:32] <tseng> jblack: hi!
[12:32] <tseng> jblack: i had a question for you.
[12:32] <lathiat> hiiii jblack :)
[12:32] <jblack> The capital of australia is sydney?
[12:32] <jtan325> canberra
[12:32] <tseng> its Canberra
[12:33] <jblack> Then I hope you were about to ask a different question. :)
[12:33] <tseng> yes
[12:33] <tseng> are you mirroring all of gnome cvs?
[12:33] <tseng> i could use a specific module
[12:33] <jblack> All is a big word.
[12:33] <jblack> Which project are you looking for? I can look it up for you
[12:33] <tseng> muine
[12:34] <ajmitch> jblack: you should convert meebey to the way of bazaar
[12:34] <tseng> ajmitch: jose is going to do his stuff in baz
[12:34] <tseng> beagle n' pals
[12:34] <ajmitch> he doesn't see the advantage of bazaar over svn-buildpackage
[12:34] <ajmitch> yep, that's good
[12:35] <tseng> well, he doesnt care about ubuntu
[12:35] <tseng> eh
[12:35] <jblack> ajmitch: Sure, I'd be happy to try. Would you be willing to introduce me to him?
[12:35] <tseng> he doesnt go out of his way for ubuntu
[12:35] <tseng> he likes us and all that
[12:35] <tseng> i cant blame him
[12:35] <ajmitch> tseng: no surprise there, but he's not hostile to us
[12:35] <ajmitch> like some DDs
[12:35] <\sh> ok...
[12:35] <tseng> he and I get along pretty well
[12:35] <ajmitch> jblack: I can try, when I see him around
[12:35] <jblack> Ok. sounds like a plan, ajmitch. :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> tseng: does he have arch repos for his stuff yet?
[12:36] <ajmitch> s/arch/baz/
[12:36] <tseng> jose?
[12:36] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:36] <tseng> ive not heard from him in a bit
[12:36] <ajmitch> no baz stuff in http://people.debian.org/~jsogo/ yet
[12:36] <ajmitch> I might put my stuff on p.d.o as well
[12:36] <tseng> jblack: is it much trouble to add muine if you dont have it?
[12:37] <jtan325> siretart, what keyring server do we use?
[12:37] <siretart> jtan325: they are all syncing, so it should not matter
[12:37] <ajmitch> subkeys.pgp.net works, I think
[12:37] <jblack> Sure, I can try. If you like, I can walk you through making an importable product?
[12:37] <ajmitch> not all keyservers are equal
[12:37] <jtan325> ok
[12:37] <jblack> (if not, then tell me where I can get information about it)
[12:38] <jtan325> well, just the one for uploaders keyring is fine for me
[12:38] <ajmitch> jblack: please do the walk through :)
[12:38] <ajmitch> as I'd like a couple of projects using cvs & svn imported
[12:39] <ajmitch> jblack: btw, is there a newer cscvs available?
[12:39] <jblack> Ok. Can we do it in about... 80 minutes give or take?
[12:39] <jblack> ajmitch: With imports, you don't need to scrwe with cscvs at all.
[12:39] <ajmitch> jblack: how about local conversions?
[12:39] <jblack> With the appropriate information in launchpad, you just branch from the archive when its ready.
[12:40] <jblack> ajmitch: That's a point.
[12:40] <ajmitch> ok..
[12:40] <\sh> g'night guys :)
[12:40] <ajmitch> night \sh
[12:40] <jblack> As far as I know, nobody is currently working on the released version of cscvs
[12:40] <slomo> gn8 \sh :)
[12:40] <jblack> Sleep well \sh.
[12:40] <ajmitch> I heard that there was a canonical branch of it floating around
[12:41] <jblack> Yeah, there's an internal one.
[12:41] <jtan325> siretart, i uploaded to keyserver subkeys.pgp.net
[12:41] <jtan325> my pub ID is 7CEE8CEF
[12:42] <jtan325> is that all?
[12:43] <siretart> jtan325: ok, I added you
[12:44] <jtan325> thanks
[12:44] <jtan325> so now i can upload to revu, right?
[12:48] <siretart> jtan325: jupp
[12:48] <siretart> (sorry, /me very tired right now)
[12:48] <tseng> wth is that new evolution icon
[12:48] <ajmitch> ugh, bad 80s music on the radio
[12:48] <tseng> haha
[12:49] <tseng> you guys get the USA worst of
[12:49] <tseng> its funny.
[12:51] <jtan325> siretart, /me pulled an all-nighter getting this packaging to work :-)
[12:51] <jtan325> so don't worry about being tired, i won't notice
[12:55] <sistpoty> gn8 everybody
[12:55] <ajmitch> night sistpoty
[12:57] <slomo> good night everybody
[01:03] <siretart> gn8
[01:03] <jtan325> night siretart
[01:03] <Nafallo> new kismet on the way. I'll take the debian one and add our changes again. fixes two CANS ;-)
[01:18] <tseng> jblack: sorry, was that for me about information?
[01:19] <jblack> Lost track. sorry
[01:19] <tseng> me too
[01:20] <ajmitch> tseng: all mono is getting demoted to universe now?
[01:20] <tseng> ajmitch: all?
[01:20] <tseng> ajmitch: i didnt think so.
[01:20] <tseng> but i would not object
[01:21] <ajmitch> I saw gtk# would be (from what I read in #u-d)
[01:22] <ajmitch> so I was wondering if it all would
[01:22] <tseng> jblack: i was asking about importing muine from gnome cvs, i guess you asked for more info as i faded out
[01:22] <tseng> you should.
[01:25] <ajmitch> I'll see when the next TB meeting is then
[01:25] <tseng> we just had one
[01:25] <tseng> 2 weeks
[01:25] <ajmitch> I know
[01:25] <ajmitch> time of day is more important
[01:25] <tseng> oh
[01:25] <ajmitch> in case it's 4am
[01:25] <tseng> of course
[01:26] <ajmitch> ah, 7sep, 8AM local time
[01:27] <mbreit> n8 all
[02:01] <StrikeForce> erm its 4am my time
[02:01] <StrikeForce> :(
[02:01] <StrikeForce> which files should I upload to REVU?
[02:04] <StrikeForce> bugger it I'm heading to work :P
[02:19] <crimsun> umm yeah, I shouldn't have dist-upgraded.
[02:58] <|QuaD-> blah: x still not working for me
[03:36] <lamont> ./configure +cc=gcc `dpkg --print-gnu-build-architecture`
[03:36] <lamont> dpkg: unknown option --print-gnu-build-architecture
[03:36] <lamont> bad m2c
[04:46] <jtan325> hi, another n00b question. i'm packaging a small program, getting it ready for upload to revu
[04:46] <jtan325> want to get as much right as i can
[04:46] <jtan325> i've gotten the packaging itself to fully work
[04:46] <jtan325> but i'm having trouble figuring the version names
[04:47] <ajmitch> version names?
[04:47] <jtan325> according to DeveloperResources, since this package isn't in debian yet, it should have "-0ubuntu1" as the revision
[04:47] <jtan325> the programs called conky
[04:47] <jtan325> and the release version is 1.3.0
[04:47] <jtan325> so
[04:48] <ajmitch> yes.. so 1.3.0-0ubuntu1
[04:48] <jtan325> let's say "make dist" produces conky-1.3.0-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[04:48] <ajmitch> make dist should not do that
[04:48] <jtan325> ok
[04:48] <jtan325> it should do conky-1.3.0.tar.gz?
[04:48] <ajmitch> yes
[04:48] <jtan325> i hacked it to do it with the ubuntu
[04:48] <jtan325> because dh_make
[04:48] <ajmitch> which you rename to conky_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz
[04:48] <jtan325> ...
[04:49] <ajmitch> and you shouldn't need to make a tarball at all, if upstream supplies one
[04:50] <jtan325> ah. i'm on the dev team for conky, we're planning a release soon
[04:50] <ajmitch> ok
[04:50] <jtan325> so i'm trying to get this process down from cvs update to packaging
[04:50] <jtan325> hence the make dist
[04:50] <jtan325> ok ok
[04:50] <ajmitch> then use the release tarball, rename it, make your debs
[04:50] <jtan325> rename to conky_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz?
[04:50] <jtan325> and then untar it?
[04:50] <ajmitch> yes
[04:51] <jtan325> go into the dir, and dh_make and all that jazz then?
[04:51] <ajmitch> and then put your debian dir in
[04:51] <jtan325> right that's another thing
[04:51] <ajmitch> when you go to build, it will then make a diff.gz
[04:51] <jtan325> i get the feeling i don't need to do dh_make everytime
[04:51] <jtan325> i've already got my debian/ ready
[04:51] <ajmitch> no, you definitely do not want to use dh_make everytime
[04:51] <jtan325> ok ok man that was a waste of time haha
[04:52] <ajmitch> I don't think I've used dh_make for 3 years or more
[04:52] <jtan325> haha. ok but then when does the -0ubuntu1 come in?
[04:55] <ajmitch> debian/changelog
[04:55] <jtan325> oh...
[04:56] <jtan325> conky (1.3.0-1) unstable; urgency=low  * Initial Release.
[04:56] <ajmitch> change that
[04:56] <jtan325> just the first line right?
[04:56] <ajmitch> and make it breezy, not unstable
[04:56] <jtan325> between the ( )
[04:57] <jtan325> is like 5 lines of pasting ok?
[04:57] <jtan325> (in this channel)
[04:57] <jtan325> wait nm
[04:57] <jtan325> conky (1.3.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
[04:57] <jtan325>   * Initial Release.
[04:58] <jtan325> whoops
[04:58] <jtan325> conky (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[04:58] <jtan325> and then debuild or dpkg-buildpackage will do the right version?
[05:00] <jtan325> and that's really all that needs to be done to produce the right version?
[05:00] <ajmitch> yes
[05:01] <jtan325> ok. one last question. after reading the wikis
[05:01] <jtan325> i am getting the impression that if i submit this package and it reviews pass, then i must become a MOTU for it?
[05:01] <jtan325> i.e. have to do the membership app process....
[05:02] <ajmitch> no, you don't have to be
[05:03] <ajmitch> it would help, but it's not required
[05:03] <ajmitch> once the package passes approval, one of us would upload it
[05:03] <jtan325> well i am willling to maintain the package
[05:03] <jtan325> but i can't really devote the time to other packages, like MOTUs do
[05:03] <ajmitch> we'd just have to review updates to the package as well before uploading them
[05:04] <ajmitch> it's a challenge for me to fit in time for my own packaging
[05:04] <jtan325> haha
[05:04] <jtan325> ok
[05:04] <jtan325> so there won't be an official motu for conky if it gets in
[05:05] <ajmitch> there aren't official maintainers for most packages
[05:05] <jtan325> ok ok
[05:05] <ajmitch> except that in debian packages are owned by someone
[05:05] <ajmitch> which you could do as well
[05:05] <jtan325> yeah i am planning to do a debian submission too
[05:05] <jtan325> our team's decided to do a release probably this weekend
[05:05] <jtan325> and so once that comes around
[05:06] <jtan325> i'll do the packaging and submit to both ubuntu/debian
[05:06] <ajmitch> asking for someone else to maintain in debian, or just finding a sponsor?
[05:06] <jtan325> sponsor
[05:06] <jtan325> i can maintain
[05:06] <ajmitch> ok
[05:06] <jtan325> just this one package though
[05:06] <ajmitch> so it'll be easier to get it sponsored in debian, and ubuntu can sync from there
[05:07] <ajmitch> we like to have packages that we add into universe submitted to debian :)
[05:07] <jtan325> haha makes sense
[05:07] <jtan325> ok
[05:07] <jtan325> so it'd be better to just submit it to debian
[05:07] <jtan325> and not worry about ubuntu right now
[05:08] <jtan325> ?
[05:08] <ajmitch> in debian you'll need to find a sponsor :)
[05:08] <ajmitch> you can put it up for review here, it's just that we have limited time & lots to do
[05:09] <jtan325> of course
[05:09] <jtan325> ok ok
[05:09] <jtan325> cool. i am going to go write a few scripts then :-)
[05:09] <jtan325> thanks for your help
[05:09] <jtan325> i'll be back for sure
[05:10] <ajmitch> luckily I had a consistent sponsor for my packages in debian
[05:11] <jtan325> would you mind paraphrasing how to get a sponsor?
[05:11] <jtan325> just show up in #debian and saying "sponsor please" probably wouldn't work :-)
[05:11] <ajmitch> certainly not
[05:12] <ajmitch> the debian-mentors list is a good place to start
[05:12] <ajmitch> and the new http://sponsors.debian.net/
[05:13] <jtan325> ok cool
[05:13] <jtan325> thanks ajmitch i really appreciate it
[05:14] <ajmitch> no problem
[05:14] <jtan325> i've probably accounted for half the questions asked on this channel the past few days
[05:14] <jtan325> i'm sure you noticed
[05:14] <jtan325> but i'm finally growing my own motu wings, if such a thing exists
[05:14] <ajmitch> there have been plenty of questions from others, don't worry :)
[05:49] <jtan325> ajmitch, so for debian, it'd just be conky-1.3.0-1 right?
[05:51] <ajmitch> conky_1.3.0-1, yes
[05:54] <tritium> hello
[05:54] <jtan325> ajmitch, lintian complains
[05:54] <jtan325> E: conky_1.3.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[05:54] <jtan325> that kind of makes sense though, right?
[05:57] <ajmitch> yes, that's because lintian doesn't know about breezy as it should
[05:57] <jtan325> cool. and "W: conky source: native-package-with-dash-version"
[05:59] <jtan325> was it the manual renaming to conky_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz  ?
[05:59] <jtan325> and is it ok like this?
[06:01] <jtan325> oh whoops
[06:02] <jtan325> my build script was doing it with the dash
[06:02] <jtan325> good to know that lintian still works :-)
[06:44] <LaserJock> hi all! I am trying to work on building a .deb. I have been following http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch but I'm not sure if I need to do pbuilder inside of chroot or not
[06:45] <LaserJock> any suggestions?
[06:57] <seth_k> pbuilder makes its own chroot
[06:57] <seth_k> @LaserJock
[06:59] <LaserJock> ok, so i don't need to do  DebootstrapChroot? That is what was confusing me
[07:01] <seth_k> you use one or the other
[07:01] <seth_k> but not both
[07:01] <seth_k> pbuilder is really good at finding dependencies
[07:01] <seth_k> a manual chroot is good for fixing packages
[07:01] <seth_k> I use both, for different things
[07:01] <seth_k> but never both at once
[07:02] <LaserJock> hmm, so maybe http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch needs to be updated or something?
[07:03] <LaserJock> so if I just want to be able to make a .deb for like 1 package, should I use pbuilder?
[07:11] <\sh> morning
[07:12] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[07:13] <\sh> morning :)
[07:13] <\sh> gna...restarted our nagravision clusters
[07:13] <\sh> and all this taks bloody one hour
[07:13] <ajmitch> gah, it feels like http has been throttled to ~2K/sec here :(
[07:17] <ajmitch> hmm, and suddenly all is well..
[07:27] <LaserJock> so, would you guys recommend using pbuilder to build a .deb for only 1 or 2 packages?
[07:27] <\sh> yes
[07:34] <LaserJock> I am looking at trying to build the newest version of Scigraphica
[07:35] <LaserJock> but the developer has split the package into to seperate .tgz files scigraphica and libscigraphica
[07:36] <LaserJock> so do I need to build 2 seperate .deb's or should it be put together into 1
[08:50] <kagou> hi
[08:53] <kagou> ajmitch, have you some news about syncing gimp-ufraw ?
[09:00] <siretart> morning
[09:03] <crimsun_> re
[09:23] <Burgundavia> siretart, should londonlaw now not look at a gtk2 app now?
[09:35] <pef> morning
[09:38] <Burgundavia> siretart, the spacing is better, but the theming isn't there
[09:38] <siretart> Burgundavia: err, you are right.. strange
[09:40] <Burgundavia> I haven't tested any other wxwidgets apps to see if they are the same
[10:42] <siretart> woooohoo!
[10:42] <siretart> my libXp seems to work! :)
[10:56] <dholbach> hey
[10:56] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[10:56] <dholbach> does anybody know who else (apart from ogra) is an adminstrator for the launchpad motu group?
[10:56] <dholbach> hey reinhard :)
[10:57] <dholbach> could somebody tell him to set universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com as the mail adress?
[10:57] <siretart> we have a new mailling list?
[10:57] <siretart> :)
[10:57] <dholbach> yep
[10:57] <dholbach> :)
[10:57] <\sh> woooot
[10:57] <dholbach> after long struggles
[10:57] <\sh> congrats
[10:58] <\sh> grmpf
[10:58] <\sh> where is mez when I need him ,-)
[11:00] <dholbach> re
[11:01] <\sh> re dholbach :)
[11:02] <\sh> u were surprised yesterday evening when I phoned you ;)
[11:02] <dholbach> \sh: did it sound like it?
[11:02] <slomo> good morning :)
[11:02] <dholbach> hey slomo
[11:02] <\sh> dholbach: yeah..a bit
[11:03] <dholbach> \sh: hm, i just didnt know the number, but it was absolutely ok :)
[11:03] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, et al :)
[11:03] <siretart> I have now packaged libxp
[11:04] <\sh> we have windows xp as package? ,-)
[11:04] <jtan325> is pbuilder the best/easiest way to test a package installation? i.e. dependencies and stuff?
[11:04] <siretart> the I have taken the debian/dir from daniels librandr package
[11:04] <dholbach>  jtan325 yes
[11:04] <siretart> but it is not that nice, i.e. not lintian clean and stuff
[11:04] <StrikeForce> hey all
[11:04] <siretart> do I get an exception for that package?
[11:04] <jtan325> thx dholbach
[11:04] <siretart> I'd like to stay close to the other X11 packages
[11:04] <jtan325> ajmitch, i'd like to test both
[11:05] <siretart> \sh: libXp is Xprint, an obsoleted packages which should better not be used anymore
[11:05] <jtan325> i'm thinking about doing this bootstrap thing
[11:05] <jtan325> but probably for breezy though
[11:05] <siretart> \sh: but java applets need them, and you know which appletviewers and browserplugins are available
[11:05] <dholbach> siretart: did you talk to daniels about it?
[11:05] <siretart> dholbach: he told me to package it because he doesn't think its necessary
[11:06] <siretart> dholbach: it will definitly stay in universe
[11:06] <dholbach> siretart: if it's urgent we of course do an exception
[11:06] <siretart> dholbach: j2re was uploaded today to universe
[11:06] <siretart> dholbach: I tried the java plugin, but booom. exception because of no libXp
[11:06] <dholbach> siretart: ??? WHAT ??? J2RE? UNIVERSE?
[11:06] <siretart> dholbach: do I take this exception that I may upload this without going via revu? ;)
[11:07] <siretart> dholbach: yes, look in breezy :)
[11:07] <siretart> dholbach: j2re is in multiverse not universe
[11:07] <dholbach> i'm in breezy
[11:07] <dholbach> hm
[11:07] <siretart> dholbach: bit libxp should go to universe, since it's nothing wrong with its license
[11:07] <siretart> dholbach: thats the blackdown packages, doko uploaded them
[11:07] <dholbach> if you're confident in it, upload it
[11:08] <dholbach> technically it WAS in ubuntu before :)
[11:08] <siretart> okay! :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> we need gcj to be in better shape (and classpath) :)
[11:08] <dholbach> and if other stuff is broken, go for it
[11:08] <siretart> we can fix it later anyway
[11:08] <\sh> dholbach: how can we get without trouble apt-get.org in it, after all transitions
[11:08] <lathiat> ajmitch: can i grab that automagic script
[11:08] <dholbach> \sh: i will keep an eye on apt-get.org - i absolutely understand that it doesn't seem "sexy" to people :)
[11:09] <siretart> dholbach: and another thing: yesterday, at the meeting, we had a proposal of requiring only 2 instead of 3 motus for new packages
[11:09] <ajmitch> lathiat: it has plenty of evil in it
[11:09] <lathiat> ajmitch: i like evil
[11:09] <siretart> dholbach: rationale: apt-get.org packages shortcircuit it with only requiring 1 motu
[11:09] <dholbach> siretart: in my opinion that's the wrong rationale, but it's ok with me :)
[11:09] <siretart> dholbach: there were no objection, but neither ogra nor you where there
[11:09] <lathiat> ajmitch: i was considering trying to rebuild the entire unmet dep list and see what happens ;p
[11:10] <dholbach> oh
[11:10] <ajmitch> lathiat: I've done that
[11:10] <dholbach> ogra wasnt there?
[11:10] <lathiat> ajmitch: oh ok
[11:10] <siretart> ogra had dsl problems
[11:10] <lathiat> ajmitch: results?
[11:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: DSL issues
[11:10] <dholbach> ah i see
[11:10] <ajmitch> lathiat: plenty of crack
[11:10] <\sh> dholbach: no...he had dsl issues...he called me
[11:10] <lathiat> ajmitch: in that case, just the ones i care about atm :) (dps1, gmp3)
[11:10] <\sh> dholbach: and I wanted to postpone apt-get.org but he put a veto on it
[11:10] <dholbach> \sh: it's a breezy goal
[11:10] <siretart> dholbach: and the next thing: if a motu packages something, does he count? ;)
[11:10] <dholbach> siretart: no :)
[11:10] <\sh> dholbach: i know...
[11:10] <siretart> hehe. ok :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: it's just that we have 2 standards of QA with REVU & apt-get.org
[11:11] <siretart> dholbach: btw, I setup a trac yesterday for revu2: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu2-trac/ -
[11:12] <siretart> dholbach: if you happen to meet someone interested in development of revu, point him there
[11:12] <siretart> thanks in advance
[11:12] <dholbach> siretart: super - will do :)
[11:12] <dholbach> ajmitch: for me REVU and 2/3 votes is not just QA, it's mentoring/teaching as well
[11:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: but i see your point
[11:13] <siretart> yes, thats right. but for now, our backlog is way too high. we need to concentrate on other stuff
[11:13] <dholbach> for hard goals we need to bend the rules though - there are quite a lot of other packages that went into universe just like that
[11:13] <StrikeForce> does anyone know if xvidcap is going to be included? Also can someone point me to a list of what needs to be packaged?
[11:14] <siretart> dholbach: btw: you have 2 entries on revu ready for upload. will you upload yourself or should anyone else do it?
[11:14] <dholbach> StrikeForce: UniverseCandidates on the wiki are user requests
[11:14] <StrikeForce> kk
[11:14] <dholbach> siretart: i did it yesterday
[11:14] <siretart> great! :)
[11:14] <StrikeForce> is that what you want me to work towards dholbach ?
[11:14] <StrikeForce> or look at helping out in dholbach ?
[11:14] <dholbach> siretart: i needed to get my laptop on ubuntu :)
[11:14] <dholbach> StrikeForce: MOTUTodo has a full list of our goals and plans
[11:14] <ajmitch> dholbach: not quite full
[11:15] <StrikeForce> dholbach: thanks
[11:15] <ajmitch> unless lathiat has updated it after the meeting :)
[11:15] <dholbach> ok people, i'll get back to you again, but now i need to get back on work
[11:15] <dholbach> hey ogra
[11:15] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, you going to be busy in the next five mins
[11:15] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: maybe, I've got a bit of work to do tonight :)
[11:16] <StrikeForce> ahh k :)
[11:16] <slomo> siretart: are we on 2 or 3 votes now? as i've one package which would be really helpful to have in universe for breezy... nermele. without it monodevelop has support for it build in but when the user creates nemerle projects no building will work...
[11:16] <lathiat> hrm is there a python lib i could use for traversing apache http lists pages
[11:16] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, there was a new rufus release so I've upgraded the package and also worked on the suggestions and I'm hoping its in better shape
[11:16] <lathiat> i want to write a tool to get the status of a package
[11:16] <lathiat> check mom, build logs, reverse deps, etc
[11:16] <ajmitch> lathiat: oh, easy enough to do
[11:17] <ajmitch> screen scrape ;)
[11:17] <colinl> Hi there
[11:17] <lathiat> so i can see if its waiting merge, failed build, probably just needs a rebuild
[11:17] <lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[11:17] <lathiat> ok
[11:17] <colinl> I'm looking for an upload sponsor...
[11:17] <ajmitch> I've got scripts to get build logs, MoM patches
[11:17] <lathiat> ajmitch: can i have?
[11:17] <dholbach> ok... see you later
[11:17] <ajmitch> lathiat: they're only 1-2 liners
[11:17] <dholbach> *wave*
[11:17] <lathiat> ajmitch: save me the effort ;p
[11:17] <lathiat> ajmitch: just like, i want to see if theres say, a newer build log than in the archive
[11:18] <ajmitch> lathiat: eg for MoM: wget -np -nd -r -l1  http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/$1/
[11:18] <lathiat> so i cant just look for it
[11:18] <lathiat> i suppose the sources will be in the archive
[11:18] <lathiat> no?
[11:18] <ajmitch> lathiat: and use apt-cache showsrc to get the build version, then I have a small script to get the build logs for it
[11:18] <ajmitch> yes
[11:18] <lathiat> ok
[11:19] <mbreit> good morning!
[11:19] <slomo> hi mbreit
[11:19] <StrikeForce> hi
[11:20] <StrikeForce> do I upload everything to REVU? as in the whole package?
[11:20] <colinl> would anyone want to upload recent sylpheed-claws packages for me?
[11:22] <mbreit> colinl: a new upstream version? (we are in feature-freeze....)
[11:23] <ogra> bte, i read the logs from yesterday....
[11:23] <ogra> btw even
[11:23] <colinl> mbreit: ah, I didn't know
[11:23] <colinl> mbreit: could be later... that's a new version.
[11:24] <colinl> mbreit: the most recent one available is 0.9.13, which is the old gtk1 version... Since this we reached 1.0.5 (the last gtk1 version), and 1.9.13 (gtk2)
[11:24] <colinl> mbreit: I plan on packaging 1.9.13 and upper only, as the gtk1 version basically has no future
[11:24] <slomo> colinl: even 2.0.0 for the gtk2 version afaik ;)
[11:24] <StrikeForce> feature freezy meaning no new packages mbreit ?
[11:24] <colinl> slomo: nope, I'm talking about sylpheed-claws, not sylpheed :-)
[11:24] <mbreit> slomo: that's sylpheed, not sylpheed-claws iirc
[11:24] <slomo> colinl: oh ok, sorry
[11:25] <mbreit> colinl: you will have to ask ogra for a feature-freeze exception ;)
[11:25] <colinl> ok :)
[11:25] <ogra> ajmitch, lathiat \sh siretart (and the others) i'm fine with 2 reviews, but i'd like us to revisit random approve packages the next meeting and see if the error rate raises through one review less
[11:25] <colinl> the feature freeze ends when?
[11:25] <mbreit> StrikeForce: you can upload it to revu... but it could not make it into breezy
[11:25] <ogra> if we release
[11:26] <ajmitch> colinl: freeze ends at release :)
[11:26] <colinl> planned for october?
[11:26] <ajmitch> yes
[11:26] <colinl> ok
[11:26] <slomo> siretart: can you look at exult? has some weird c++ errors while building
[11:26] <StrikeForce> mbreit: I'll upload it anyways because it makes good practice if people like it as in the package I'll look at helping out elsewhere
[11:26] <ajmitch> ogra: you mean looking over packages we approve?
[11:26] <colinl> that's quite long :-) ogra, do you think it'd be possible to have an freeze exception?
[11:26] <ogra> colinl, the freezes are listed on the BreezyReleseSchedule on the wiki
[11:27] <colinl> ok
[11:27] <ogra> ajmitch, looking over the packages that were approved with only 2 reviews
[11:27] <mbreit> colinl: tell ogra which important bugs it would fix ;))
[11:27] <ogra> ajmitch, as i said, i'm fine if the error rate doesnt raise, but we should check it
[11:28] <ajmitch> ogra: I only approve packages that I'm comfortable with putting into debian
[11:28] <ogra> colinl, i need a good reason for a freeze breakage... not just "because its new and shiny" find out which other packages it might break for example
[11:28] <ajmitch> I'd like to see our new universe packages at that standard
[11:29] <ogra> ajmitch, not everybody here is a DD... ;) and some of us are very new to packaging
[11:30] <ajmitch> ogra: I know, which is why I spend most of my time helping people lately :)
[11:30] <StrikeForce> ajmitch can you spare a few moments?
[11:30] <ogra> ajmitch, i'd just like to revisit some random packages that were approved between now and the next meeting to make sure we keep our quality standard at its high level.... if we dont find any more errors in say 5 random packages we look at, i'm fine to go on with 2 reviews
[11:30] <ajmitch> ogra: ok
[11:30] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: alright
[11:31] <StrikeForce> http://www.smlintl.com.au/packages/rufus
[11:31] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: it might be a good idea to ask others for tips as well :)
[11:31] <siretart> ogra: allright
[11:31] <StrikeForce> lol if your a hard analyser thats what I want
[11:31] <ogra> dunno if dholbach has a opinion about it... sadly he's gone already
[11:31] <StrikeForce> anyone who's going to be picky is great
[11:31] <StrikeForce> only way to improve
[11:31] <StrikeForce> I don't mind it since I want it to be top notch as well
[11:32] <StrikeForce> no point in releasing something for the sake of releasing it if its going to cause more heartache then enjoyment
[11:32] <StrikeForce> I've lived like that for a long time in another os :P
[11:33] <ajmitch> heh
[11:34] <StrikeForce> your suggestion of dh_python helped heaps btw
[11:34] <StrikeForce> spent a about half an hour trying to figure it out
[11:34] <StrikeForce> lol :( until I figured it would do it on its own
[11:34] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: does the package need to be arch: any?
[11:34] <colinl> ogra: ok, i'll prepare something for you :)
[11:34] <StrikeForce> my understanding is that it runs on any setup ajmitch
[11:35] <StrikeForce> so possibly arch:all
[11:35] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: so it should be arch: all
[11:35] <StrikeForce> yeah
[11:35] <ogra> colinl, mail ogra@ubuntu.com my DSL is broken, i wont stay online all the time today
[11:35] <colinl> ok, thanks!
[11:36] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: where does that go?
[11:36] <StrikeForce> brb getting a drink
[11:36] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: debian/control
[11:37] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: btw was that the right place to put recommends?
[11:37] <ajmitch> you also don't need the package name (Rufus) in the short description
[11:37] <ajmitch> I'd usually put Recommends below Depends
[11:37] <ajmitch> and Description should be last
[11:37] <StrikeForce> Ok well I'll shift it now
[11:38] <ajmitch> short description can be 'a powerful, easy to use, efficient Python based BitTorrent client'
[11:38] <ajmitch> as it's meant to read like PACKAGE is a..
[11:39] <StrikeForce> btw I fixed the recommends since that second package of libmhash was wrongly worded :(
[11:39] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: does python:Depends not put in python-wxgtk2.6?
[11:39] <ajmitch> yes, that was my next comment, about that :)
[11:39] <StrikeForce> not sure ajmitch I havent tried it with or without it
[11:39] <StrikeForce> it called wx
[11:39] <StrikeForce> and I had an error without it
[11:41] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: and why 'Applications/Internet' as Section? there are a defined set of sections, these don't map to menu categories
[11:41] <ajmitch> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[11:41] <ajmitch> eg the bittorrent package has Section: net
[11:42] <ajmitch> Standards-Version should ideally be 3.6.2, as it is the latest version
[11:42] <StrikeForce> I was going off the gnome and I forgot to change it my mistake :(
[11:42] <StrikeForce> I'll fix it now
[11:42] <StrikeForce> so I just list as net according to that page?
[11:43] <ajmitch> I'd say so
[11:44] <StrikeForce> has debhelper changed though with the version change?
[11:44] <siretart> do the source package name have to be all lowercase?!
[11:44] <StrikeForce> erm I speak English normally :( Is there a newer version of debhelper with the change of the Standards going to 3.6.2?
[11:44] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: Standards-Version is the policy revision, debhelper is separate
[11:44] <StrikeForce> siretart,  me?
[11:44] <StrikeForce> kk
[11:45] <ajmitch> although you probably want debhelper >= 4.2.28 for python 2.4 love
[11:45] <ajmitch> siretart: of course :)
[11:45] <siretart> obviously.. gnarf. ok
[11:47] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: the arch is already there so I don't need to edit anything there do I?
[11:47] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: it's currently arch: any, make it Architecture: all
[11:49] <StrikeForce> ajmitch K I've done it
[11:50] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: right, i'm trying to get pbuilder working again so I can rebuild & install in a chroot
[11:50] <StrikeForce> ok
[11:50] <StrikeForce> I tried it the only errors are the logs
[11:53] <StrikeForce> siretart: Did you mark me as a reviewer?
[11:54] <StrikeForce> I agree ajmitch just double checking
[11:54] <StrikeForce> because he added my key to it I was going to say I don't think my knowledeg would be of any benefit :P
[11:55] <siretart> StrikeForce: are you already a motu?
[11:55] <StrikeForce> siretart: Don't think so
[11:55] <siretart> sorry, atm, all reviewers have voting rights, so reviewing status only to motus
[11:55] <ajmitch> siretart: no
[11:55] <siretart> ok
[11:56] <siretart> this reminds me: lowering the 3 to 2 ;)
[11:56] <StrikeForce> siretart: thats fine I'm not asking about that since my knowledge is very very limited
[11:56] <ajmitch> don't worry, I'm still just learning myself :)
[11:57] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: I think your a couple of million miles ahead of me :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> but still always learning
[11:57] <colinl> ogra: I just sent you a mail :)
[11:57] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: we all do and every day I learn that little bit more which is what I enjoy
[12:02] <\sh> launchpad is down? *grmpf*
[12:06] <mbreit> can i advocate a package on revu that is okay but is missing descriptions in dpatch files?
[12:06] <crimsun_> sure, just note that in your update
[12:07] <mbreit> okay, thanks
[12:36] <dholbach> hi
[12:36] <slomo> wb dholbach :)
[12:36] <dholbach> :)
[12:37] <ajmitch> hey dholbach! :)
[12:38] <dholbach> hey andrew :)
[12:38] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: Did you rebuild?
[12:39] <ajmitch> nope
[12:42] <sedak> hi here
[12:43] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: once I upload this should I work on universe candidates?
[12:43] <ajmitch> if you wish, but it's not likely that anything new like that will get in
[12:44] <ajmitch> since we have to commit more of our time to fixing existing packages
[12:44] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: so where should I help out
[12:44] <dholbach> StrikeForce: whatever you enjoy best, fixing it first prio
[12:44] <dholbach> ajmitch: but i think we'll get in some stuff for breezy - i'm quite sure :)
[12:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: some, but ogra has called for no NEW packages
[12:44] <StrikeForce> E: rufus: changelog-file-not-compressed changelog.Debian
[12:44] <StrikeForce> E: rufus: changelog-file-not-compressed changelog
[12:44] <StrikeForce>  < Are these major issues?
[12:44] <dholbach> we'll manage, ajmitch
[12:45] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: not major, but they need fixed
[12:45] <sedak> there is a package of mine waiting to be reviewed ...
[12:45] <StrikeForce> I thought they get done at compile time ajmitch ?
[12:45] <ajmitch> yes, by the dh_* scripts
[12:45] <sedak> is there anyone kind enough to have a look at it ?
[12:45] <sedak> please ?
[12:46] <StrikeForce> is that dh_compress?
[12:46] <StrikeForce> that I took out?
[12:46] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: yes
[12:46] <sedak> so that after, i could work on other package to populate universe ...
[12:47] <sedak> ajmitch, interested in reviewing now ?
[12:47] <StrikeForce> sweet kk I'll redo it and re-lintian it and see if any other errors come out if none I'll upload it
[12:47] <ajmitch> sedak: if it's rtl8180-kernel, it's hard for people to properly review & test it :)
[12:47] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: upload to revu? :)
[12:47] <sedak> yes it is ...
[12:47] <sedak> but then how should i make it reviewed ?
[12:47] <dholbach> sedak: maybe you talk to the guys in #ubuntu-kernel
[12:47] <ajmitch> sedak: it would be very useful for me, except that it's my parent's laptop that has an rtl8180 card & not mine :)
[12:47] <sedak> should i ask fabbione ?
[12:48] <sedak> ok
[12:48] <sedak> ubuntu-kernel
[12:48] <sedak> i'll go
[12:48] <dholbach> super
[12:48] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: yeah is that ok or not? btw this is the error I got E: rufus: menu-icon-not-in-xpm-format /usr/share/rufus/images/rufus.ico
[12:48] <ajmitch> sedak: I'd imagine you'll need to Build-Depend on some kernel stuff
[12:48] <sedak> actually
[12:48] <ajmitch> sedak: especially gcc 3.4, since that is what is needed
[12:49] <sedak> it's the kernel-module that depend on that
[12:49] <ajmitch> or does this not produce a binary module?
[12:49] <sedak> the kernel source only depend on the kernel source or the header
[12:49] <sedak> isn't it ?
[12:50] <ajmitch> right, I see you're just building a source installer
[12:50] <ajmitch> perhaps ask fabbione if he has time, what the right magic is
[12:50] <ajmitch> or BenC
[12:50] <sedak> that's how module-assistant work
[12:51] <ajmitch> who I believe is taking up kernel duties
[12:51] <sedak> before the driver get its way into linux-source :-)
[12:51] <sedak> ok
[12:53] <StrikeForce> this is going to sound stupid but using dput what files do I upload?
[12:53] <ajmitch> the source.changes file
[12:54] <StrikeForce> for rufus?
[12:54] <ajmitch> yes
[12:54] <ajmitch> _if_ you have dput setup right
[12:54] <ajmitch> I don't think I've put a new package through revu yet :)
[12:55] <StrikeForce> here's crossing my fingers
[12:57] <sedak> ok
[12:57] <sedak> there is also a new upstream version that correct a bug in anjuta
[12:57] <sedak> is someone taking care of it ?
[12:57] <sedak> or should i ?
[12:58] <ajmitch> we should ask for a sync for that one
[12:58] <ajmitch> I thought we had already..
[12:58] <sedak> i still have the old version of anjuta
[12:59] <sedak> and i'm in the top of the edge in updating/upgrading breezy :-)
[01:00] <sedak> i'll be nice to update anjuta since the current version is totally unusable ...
[01:00] <sedak> s/i/it/
[01:00] <ajmitch> sedak: what is the new version to update to?
[01:01] <ajmitch> 1.2.4-1
[01:01] <ajmitch> ?
[01:01] <ajmitch> hmm yes, that's the one I looked at
[01:01] <ajmitch> will ask elmo :)
[01:01] <sedak> 1.2.4
[01:01] <sedak> on debian, it's here:
[01:01] <sedak> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/anjuta
[01:01] <siretart> something is trying to make real fun of
[01:01] <siretart> me
[01:02] <ajmitch> sedak: yes, I just looked up debian
[01:02] <siretart> why does mini-dinstall create Packages but no Packages.gz?!
[01:02] <ajmitch> siretart: because it doesn't love you
[01:02] <sedak> yes
[01:02] <siretart> :/
[01:02] <sedak> actually, i tested the upstream package and it work
[01:03] <sedak> so hopefully, the debian package should work
[01:03] <sedak> with that version
[01:03] <ajmitch> siretart: it worked for me
[01:03] <sedak> because Packages is too small i guess
[01:03] <ajmitch> sedak: changelog says pango rendering fixed with that version
[01:03] <StrikeForce> is there a way of changing your password for REVU?
[01:03] <siretart> ajmitch: waah, I'm too dull to see that chrapt does not run apt inside the sbuild chroot :P
[01:04] <siretart> StrikeForce: sending me your password gnupg encrypted
[01:04] <sedak> i always forget to have a look in the changelog :-)
[01:04] <siretart> StrikeForce: you may also file a ticket ;)
[01:04] <StrikeForce> ok
[01:04] <StrikeForce> ls
[01:04] <ajmitch> . ..
[01:08] <StrikeForce> file a ticket?
[01:11] <StrikeForce> siretart: I have emailed you with the details. File a ticket?
[01:11] <siretart> StrikeForce: http://siretart.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/newticket
[01:11] <siretart> WAAH
[01:11] <siretart> apt authentication hates me :(
[01:12] <dholbach> siretart: we all love you and you know it :)
[01:12] <StrikeForce> huh?
[01:12] <ajmitch> siretart: allow unauthenticated
[01:13] <siretart> yeah
[01:13] <siretart> but why does sbuild take the apt-config from OUTSIDE the chroot..
[01:13] <siretart> strange stuff
[01:13] <StrikeForce> call me stupid but whats the ticket for?
[01:13] <siretart> StrikeForce: being able to change your password ;)
[01:14] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:16] <StrikeForce> siretart: I suppose I add the gpg file to the ticket?
[01:16] <siretart> StrikeForce: nono. the ticket was rather some sort of joke. you may file a feature request for revu2. I wont touch revu1 anymore
[01:18] <StrikeForce> siretart: Well I'm lucky I did add it
[01:18] <StrikeForce> I added the ticket :(
[01:18] <StrikeForce> can I delete it?
[01:19] <siretart> StrikeForce: no. I did accept your ticket, because the feature request is valid
[01:19] <StrikeForce> kk
[01:20] <StrikeForce> Any suggestions on whats important to work on to get breezy up and running?
[01:21] <mbreit> StrikeForce: a) transitions, b) unmet deps...
[01:21] <ajmitch> c) beer for MOTUs ;)
[01:21] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, I drink enough of it you haven't met me yet
[01:21] <StrikeForce> :P
[01:21] <mbreit> StrikeForce: c) fix any bugs you can find ;)) then d) could be the beer ;))
[01:22] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: yes but you probably drink australian beer :)
[01:22] <StrikeForce> mbreit: you mean regarding the merging?
[01:22] <siretart> ok. sbuild is running, local repo, too
[01:22] <StrikeForce> ajmitch: Australian beer rules :P
[01:22] <siretart> now doing a testrebuild of vegastrike
[01:22] <ajmitch> siretart: ah, I've got to patch that one & upload
[01:22] <ajmitch> it's been on my todo list for awhile (FTBFS amd64)
[01:23] <mbreit> StrikeForce: i don't know if we do merging anymore.. (don't think so..)
[01:23] <siretart> ajmitch: there has been a new openal in unstable
[01:23] <siretart> ajmitch: we need that for new scorched3d
[01:23] <mbreit> just if it fixes important bugs..
[01:23] <siretart> ajmitch: so I'm doing a mass rebuild for depending packages on x86 on my laptop, sbuild seems to be suited for that
[01:24] <siretart> ajmitch: if there are no big problems, I will request a sync from elmo
[01:24] <StrikeForce> mbreit: Found it I'll have a good look through it
[01:25] <StrikeForce> mbreit: Thanks for the pointers don't want to attempt to add packages if theres no point
[01:28] <ajmitch__> gah, router reboot downstairs
[01:28] <ajmitch__> siretart: I've got patches here for vegastrike that I've been meaning to upload
[01:29] <siretart> ajmitch: please wait with the upload of vegastrike until new openal hits breezy
[01:29] <ajmitch> siretart: that's one thing I was waiting on
[01:30] <ajmitch> but I was just warning you not to upload vegastrike yet
[01:30] <ajmitch> since it FTBFS on amd64 currently
[01:32] <siretart> ajmitch: vegastrikes seems to not have problems with openal, but with GL/GLU transition
[01:39] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, I know
[01:39] <ajmitch> new openal package in sid today, btw
[01:40] <ajmitch> Version: 0.2005080600-1
[01:40] <ajmitch> hmm maybe not
[01:40] <ajmitch> changelog just hasn't updated yet :)
[01:40] <ajmitch> 0.2005080600-2
[01:41] <ajmitch> openal (0.2005080600-2) unstable; urgency=low
[01:41] <ajmitch>   * added openal-config (Closes: #323054)
[01:41] <ajmitch>   * changing libopenal-dev Section from devel to libdevel
[01:41] <ajmitch>  -- Dan Helfman <witten@debian.org>  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:36:40 -0700
[01:41] <siretart> ajmitch: I poked witten to upload that ASAP!
[01:41] <ajmitch> this what you want?
[01:41] <ajmitch> ah, excellent!
[01:41] <siretart> this is needed
[01:41] <ajmitch> so you don't need to introduce ubuntu changes
[01:41] <ajmitch> so no future merging, good... :)
[01:41] <siretart> if it works
[01:41] <siretart> why are there main packages linking agains openal?!
[01:42] <dholbach> because it's in main?
[01:42] <siretart> because openal is in main! BUAAAHAAA :(
[01:42] <siretart> dammed
[01:43] <dholbach> edubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <ajmitch> siretart: wha? when did that do in?
[01:43] <dholbach> whats the problem?
[01:43] <ajmitch> argh
[01:43] <siretart> dholbach: this is a new upstream. so mdz would have to agree
[01:43] <ajmitch> it's like the packages I wanted fixed today got sucked into main yesterday :'(
[01:43] <siretart> I'm going on with test rebuilds..
[01:43] <dholbach> siretart: write a mail to ubuntu-devel@ - if it works for you, he should make no problems
[01:44] <siretart> dholbach: ok, there seem to be only 2 packages needing it: rss-glx and blender
[01:45] <siretart> dholbach: I'm rebuilding both on my laptop in sbuild right now
[01:45] <dholbach> sistpoty should be whitelisted :)
[01:46] <ajmitch> dholbach: unless you want to ask elmo to sync python-imaging for me? :)
[01:46] <ajmitch> since it's in main
[01:46] <dholbach> ajmitch: uvf?
[01:47] <ajmitch> nope
[01:47] <ajmitch> -2 to -4
[01:47] <ajmitch> doko made changes in sid but not breezy
[01:47] <dholbach> if we need it, he should sync it, even if you're not main uploader
[01:47] <ajmitch> zope packages need python2.3-imaging, which conflicts with python-imaging
[01:47] <dholbach> if he needs my ok, write it in the mail
[01:47] <ajmitch> yes he needs someone to make the request
[01:48] <ajmitch> 11:58 < elmo> ajmitch: if you're not a main uploader, pls proxy through/get approval from  someone who is then
[01:48] <ajmitch> maybe it's finally time to apply for main upload rights
[01:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: absolutely
[01:49] <ajmitch> if they'll let me :)
[01:49] <dholbach> just write a mail with my ok
[01:49] <siretart> ajmitch: as DD, you shouldn't have any problems ;)
[01:49] <ajmitch> siretart: I still have to go through the same procedures :)
[01:50] <siretart> rss-glx built fine with newer openal
[01:50] <ajmitch> in debian I'm limited by policies to only my own packages, excluding NMUs :)
[01:50] <siretart> now for blender
[01:50] <ajmitch> although I work on packages in debian that are in main
[01:50] <ajmitch> as part of a team
[01:51] <siretart> ajmitch: how does it feel being your own upstream *g*
[01:51] <StrikeForce> damn xorg has unmet dependancies
[01:51] <StrikeForce> thats gotta hurt
[01:51] <ajmitch> hardly my own upstream :)
[01:52] <siretart> StrikeForce: there will be a new xorg 7.0 upload this week, daniels said
[01:52] <ajmitch> being a DD doesn't have much direct relevance to being a MOTU :)
[01:52] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:52] <StrikeForce> I'm not working on it I have no where near that knowledge
[01:52] <StrikeForce> I was looking at stuff that I need
[01:55] <siretart> StrikeForce: daniels is xorg upstream and working on ubuntu packages. he is having a real hard time right now
[01:57] <StrikeForce> siretart: fair enough I hope he has a big win on it
[01:58] <siretart> StrikeForce: modular xorg? of course!
[02:00] <siretart> FUUUUCK!
[02:00] <siretart> sorry
[02:00] <siretart> blender FTBFS with newer openal :(
[02:03] <lathiat> heh
[02:06] <lathiat> fear http://bur.st/~lathiat/pkgstat.shs
[02:06] <lathiat> just need to add debian version now
[02:09] <ajmitch> lathiat: nice script ;)
[02:09] <lathiat> i thought so ;p
[02:09] <lathiat> seems to work
[02:09] <ajmitch> probably better than mine
[02:12] <Mez> siretart: ping
[02:13] <siretart> Mez: pong
[02:14] <Mez> just wondering why things are being flagged as ready for upload in REVU with only 2 advocates
[02:15] <ajmitch> Mez: because that was agreed on at the MOTU meeting
[02:15] <Mez> so it only needs 2 now?
[02:15] <ajmitch> yes
[02:16] <dholbach>  is somebody preparing some brief meeting minutes?
[02:17] <siretart> dholbach: I understand lathiat is on it
[02:19] <dholbach> oh super
[02:19] <dholbach> lathiat: thanks for doing it
[02:19] <lathiat> yeh
[02:19] <lathiat> will post tonight
[02:19] <ajmitch> lathiat: great, thanks
[02:19] <ajmitch> will have to buy you a beer ;)
[02:20] <lathiat> ok :)
[02:20] <lathiat> maybe at UBZ :)
[02:20] <ajmitch> sure, if we're both there :)
[02:20] <lathiat> hence the maybe ;p
[02:20] <lathiat> brb gonna stick a tv card in my router  box
[02:20] <ajmitch> dholbach: oh, elmo is here, can you ask for python-imaging sync now please? :)
[02:22] <dholbach> from sid?
[02:22] <ajmitch> ah, maybe he's not around..
[02:22] <ajmitch> was scrolled up ~12 hours :)
[02:26] <siretart> we also need newer java-package from sid
[03:27] <lathiat> siretart: http://bur.st/~lathiat/vflib3.debdiff please? :)
[03:31] <siretart> lathiat: uaah. your debdiff is nice, but the package itself is ugly as hell
[03:31] <siretart> lathiat: is this important?
[03:31] <lathiat> siretart: there are a few things that cant build because of it
[03:31] <siretart> ok
[03:34] <siretart> lathiat: uploaded
[03:34] <lathiat> siretart: thanks
[03:34] <lathiat> and yeh
[03:34] <lathiat> the package is lovely isnt it
[03:46] <Mitario> lo everyone
[04:03] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:03] <dholbach> hey Mitario mitsuhiko and sistpoty :)
[04:03] <mitsuhiko> hi dholbach :)
[04:03] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[04:03] <dholbach> sistpoty: are you whitelisted already?
[04:04] <sistpoty> i don't think so
[04:04] <Mitario> dholbach, i've finally come to strenghten your team :)
[04:04] <dholbach> did you write james a mail already?
[04:04] <dholbach> Mitario: ROCK'N'ROLL - that's the attitude :)
[04:04] <sistpoty> dholbach: i did, but i guess i used the wrong email-addy *g*
[04:05] <dholbach> oh i see
[04:05] <sistpoty> james==elmo?
[04:05] <dholbach> yep
[04:05] <sistpoty> do you know if i can reach him on irc? (-devel?)
[04:06] <dholbach> i think mail is better these days
[04:06] <sistpoty> kk
[04:06] <dholbach> at least from all the requests i heard - and i'm just here since 2h or something :)
[04:07] <sistpoty> i c ;)
[04:09] <sistpoty> ok, i just sent him a mail ;)
[04:10] <sistpoty> this time to upload@ubuntulinux, as mentioned in Uploads (wiki)
[04:11] <tseng> dholbach: !
[04:33] <Mitario> hmm, is there a prioritised todo list of what needs to be done before breezy (after following yesterdays meeting)
[04:33] <Mitario> or does anyone have a suggestion?
[04:33] <lathiat> yeh
[04:33] <lathiat> i will be posting one shortly
[04:33] <Mitario> something concrete
[04:33] <lathiat> gimme another few
[04:33] <Mitario> lathiat, ok, great
[04:43] <siretart> what was our new list again?
[04:43] <siretart> 10:57:07 < dholbach> could somebody tell him to set universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com as the mail adress?
[04:43] <siretart> ok.
[04:43] <siretart> :)
[04:44] <siretart> is that list already operationa;? I dont see it listed on lists.ubuntu.com
[04:44] <slomo> siretart: i subscribed to it today
[04:44] <slomo> siretart: and it worked
[04:44] <slomo> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[04:44] <slomo> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[04:46] <siretart> great
[04:48] <dholbach> siretart: did you put it for malone motu team?
[04:48] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[04:50] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[04:50] <siretart> dholbach: I'm no admin, AFAIK
[04:51] <dholbach> ah ok
[04:53] <siretart> dholbach: I am admin, and I set the contact address
[04:53] <dholbach> super
[04:53] <dholbach> if that works it'd be charming
[04:54] <siretart> An e-mail message was sent to 'universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com'. Follow the instructions in that message to confirm the new contact address for this team.
[04:54] <dholbach> somebody of you could assign a random bug to motu, so i could subscribe the mail adress
[04:54] <dholbach> ok
[04:54] <siretart> :)
[04:54] <siretart> dholbach: do you know how we can add packages to groups?
[04:54] <lathiat> yay vflib3 suceeded
[04:55] <lathiat> now to do those minutes
[04:55] <dholbach> no idea
[04:57] <siretart> just asking in #launchpda
[05:11] <siretart> sistpoty: ah I see you like trac, too :)
[05:16] <sistpoty> yes... really cool tool
[05:40] <dholbach> universe-bugs is operational
[05:44] <dholbach> make sure you all sign up today! :)
[05:46] <Mitario> lathiat, how are the meetings coming? :)
[05:46] <siretart> already done :)
[05:46] <Mitario> eh minutes
[05:46] <siretart> dholbach: are you the only moderator?
[05:47] <lathiat> Mitario: just finishing up now
[05:48] <dholbach> siretart: i think so
[05:48] <zyga> hello
[05:48] <zyga> I'd like to submit a patch for emifreq-applet
[05:48] <siretart> hm. buildds seem to be quite busy right now
[05:49] <zyga> it contains a bug that prevents it from displaying largest possible frequency in the popup menu
[05:49] <zyga> anyone interested?
[05:49] <dholbach> zyga: you could upload the source package to REVU
[05:49] <siretart> zyga: you can also file a bug in malone and attach your patch. your choise :)
[05:49] <siretart> choice.
[05:49] <zyga> dholbach: REVU?
[05:50] <zyga> siretart: malone sounds better, thanks :)
[05:50] <dholbach> zyga: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[05:50] <siretart> :)
[05:50] <dholbach> zyga: and assign it to motu
[05:50] <dholbach> :)
[05:57] <Mitario> what's the primary point of attention atm? AptGetOrg? or REVU?
[05:57] <dholbach> MOTUTodo has some additional items
[05:57] <dholbach> some transitions
[05:57] <dholbach> do we still have unmet dependencies?
[05:58] <siretart> Mitario: definitly transitions
[05:58] <siretart> Mitario: and unmet deps
[05:58] <dholbach> and universe-bugs :-p
[05:59] <sistpoty> dholbach: at least the haskell thingies are still unmet... I'm on it ;)
[05:59] <Mitario> so what would you suggest as a primary interest for me? ;)
[05:59] <dholbach> you're not afraid of pain.... i like that :)
[05:59] <Mitario> not too hard for starters
[05:59] <Mitario> have to learn MOTU stuff a bit
[06:00] <zyga> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1883
[06:00] <Mez> slomo, ping
[06:00] <zyga> thanks guys :)
[06:01] <slomo> Mez: pong
[06:01] <Mez> slomo: did you get your upload sorted yet
[06:02] <slomo> Mez: no :( elmo doesn't answer me anymore when i ask something about upload rights ;)
[06:02] <slomo> Mez: he only answers sync requests it seems..
[06:03] <sistpoty> hm... someone could ask him to sync kaffe (i put that on UniverseUnmetDependencies)
[06:03] <sistpoty> s/someone/a MOTU/
[06:03] <sistpoty> ;)
[06:04] <dholbach> we should use MOTUToSync again
[06:05] <sistpoty> ack
[06:05] <slomo> dholbach: but this seems to get as much attention as MorgueCandidates... nothing really happens :/
[06:06] <dholbach> slomo: we actively have to ping elmo/inifity/whoever, but we use it to keep track
[06:06] <dholbach> hey tseng :-)
[06:08] <slomo> dholbach: ok, i'll use that in the future... so ping elmo and note it there?
[06:08] <dholbach> yep
[06:08] <dholbach> so we're sure we have everything done before the release
[06:08] <slomo> siretart: mplayer built on x86, ppc and amd64 :)
[06:08] <dholbach> those pages are not very interesting early in the release cycle
[06:08] <siretart> slomo: w000h0!
[06:10] <lathiat> is a 'give-back' where a previously failed build is sent back to build because the problem was fixed outside the package?
[06:10] <tseng> lathiat: exactly
[06:10] <lathiat> tseng: ok, who do i ask to do that? :)
[06:11] <tseng> lamont or infinity
[06:11] <lathiat> okie
[06:11] <slomo> tseng: hm, doesn't this happen automatically?
[06:11] <tseng> slomo: not on ftbfs
[06:11] <tseng> on dep-wait it does
[06:13] <dholbach> "ajmitch thinks dholbach has a poor excuse"
[06:13] <dholbach> tststs
[06:14] <Mitario> heh
[06:14] <Mitario> what was that list again?
[06:14] <Mitario> universe-bugs?
[06:14] <slomo> Mitario: yes
[06:15] <Mitario> oki
[06:15] <Mez> I'm scared
[06:15] <Mez> slomo, have you tried emailing him
[06:15] <slomo> Mez: who? elmo? sure... more than once
[06:16] <Mez> email him, and CC mdz ...
[06:16] <Mez> and then wait
[06:16] <Mez> elmo's a busy guy
[06:16] <sistpoty> re
[06:16] <slomo> Mez: i've mailed him, CCed mako... 1 month ago, 2 weeks ago and yesterday
[06:17] <Mez> email him again then
[06:18] <Mez> oh
[06:18] <Mez> and yesterday
[06:18] <Mez> didnt see that
[06:18] <slomo> Mez: i'll wait until he writes something in -devel and then talk to him there... maybe this works better ;) and as my last mail was yesterday...
[06:20] <lathiat> this scripts is so good
[06:20] <lathiat> can esaily see what needs to be done now
[06:21] <Mitario> :)
[06:21] <slomo> which script?
[06:22] <lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/pkgstat.shs
[06:24] <Mitario> which wiki page lists status of packages, for instance xfprint4 probably just needs a rebuild, where do I define that?
[06:25] <lathiat> Mitario: i'll try ti out if you like
[06:25] <zyga> bye everyone
[06:26] <Mitario> lathiat, uhh what? :)
[06:26] <lathiat> do a test rebuild
[06:27] <Mitario> locally you mean?
[06:28] <lathiat> ah ok
[06:28] <lathiat> cool
[06:28] <Mitario> I just noticed xfprint4 on that transition list, and noticed the package in universe still depends on libcairo1
[06:28] <Mitario> so I think a rebuild in universe should be enough? or isn't it?
[06:28] <Mitario> sorry for being clueless, first day on the job :)
[06:28] <dholbach> try it :)
[06:29] <dholbach> if it builds properly, you can install it and it works, you're happy :)
[06:29] <Mitario> buhh libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libglitz.la'
[06:29] <siretart> Mitario: poor guy
[06:29] <dholbach> add it to the build-depends
[06:29] <Mitario> yep doing that :)
[06:29] <sistpoty> siretart: are you at chummers already?
[06:29] <slomo> dholbach: no... there was another solution!
[06:29] <siretart> sistpoty: no
[06:29] <sistpoty> ok
[06:29] <Mitario> what is the actual motu upload process? is it very different from the debian one?
[06:29] <hawk_78> How do find which pid is using a kernel module, please?
[06:30] <Mitario> as in get a sponsor to upload the package, fill in the changelog, done
[06:30] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm waiting for kathrin, we wont get to chummers before 2000 perhaps
[06:30] <hawk_78> I don't remenber the command to use!
[06:30] <slomo> Mitario: look at the gnome-build upload a few minutes ago... there was the same problem fixed...
[06:30] <sistpoty> siretart: oke, than i'll stay at home for some time ;)
[06:30] <slomo> Mitario: build-depending on glitz wasn't the right solution iirc
[06:30] <Mitario> ah
[06:31] <Mitario> slomo, where can I find it? or is it in universe already?
[06:31] <slomo> Mitario: yes... at least in the main archives... don't know about the mirrors
[06:32] <Mitario> ok thanks :)
[06:33] <slomo> Mitario: ah... seems like only a rebuild should be needed... so your glitz problem seems to come from another library the package uses
[06:33] <slomo> Mitario: which package are you looking at currently?
[06:33] <Mitario> xf4print
[06:33] <Mitario> just going down the list of cairo transition
[06:34] <slomo> Mitario: E: Unable to find a source package for xf4print
[06:34] <Mitario> oh sorry xfprint4 :)
[06:35] <slomo> Mitario: look at the Build-Depends... at least xfce4-mcs-manager-dev should be rebuilded before (also cairo transition)
[06:36] <slomo> Mitario: and for xfce4-mcs-manager probably also some of their build-depends
[06:36] <Mitario> ahh right, :)
[06:36] <siretart> help!
[06:36] <slomo> siretart?
[06:37] <sistpoty> what's up?
[06:37] <siretart> after upgrade to breezy X server does not start: 'could not open default font 'fixed' '
[06:37] <siretart> wtf?
[06:37] <Amaranth> siretart: i believe the ml has a huge thread on this
[06:38] <siretart> Amaranth: subject?
[06:38] <Amaranth> i can't remember, it's from daniels
[06:38] <Amaranth> something about X being fixed
[06:38] <sistpoty> you could try "X.Org is unbroken -- how to fix"
[06:39] <siretart> ah, path to fonts moved. I see
[06:40] <siretart> that was it. thans
[06:40] <siretart> thanks
[06:46] <Mitario> I assume packages with a rebuild don't need a new changelog?
[06:46] <dholbach> Mitario: they do
[06:46] <Mitario> ah allright
[06:46] <dholbach> but a 1.2.3-4build1 (if they're not 1.2.3-4ubuntuX already)
[06:47] <Mitario> something like 'Rebuild for libcairo1 -> libcairo2 transition'?
[06:47] <dholbach> yep
[06:47] <Mitario> oki
[06:47] <dholbach> buildX is appended if you take a debian package version (no ubuntu modifications at all)
[06:48] <slomo> Mitario: what was the lowest package you found? ;)
[06:48] <dholbach> ubuntuX instead
[06:48] <Mitario> so far xfce-mcs-manager
[06:48] <Mitario> but i'm continuing my search :)
[06:48] <Mitario> should write a script for this
[06:48] <Mitario> :)
[06:48] <siretart> does tomboy work for anyone of you?
[06:48] <dholbach> nope
[06:49] <siretart> ok. then it's not a config error on my side :)
[06:49] <siretart> dholbach: do you know whats wrong?
[06:49] <slomo> oh tomboy is broken? something to look at ;)
[06:49] <dholbach> no, sorry
[06:50] <slomo> hmm... works for me
[06:50] <slomo> what's the problem you two have?
[06:51] <siretart> slomo: it crashes on startup
[06:51] <slomo> siretart: when you start 'tomboy'?
[06:51] <siretart> slomo: yes
[06:51] <Mitario> slomo, jup xfce-mcs-manager seems to be lowest
[06:51] <slomo> siretart: weird... works here :(
[06:52] <siretart> slomo: It searches a assembly Mono.Posix
[06:52] <slomo> siretart: ah ok... broken depends then i suspect...
[06:52] <siretart> but which package could that be?
[06:52] <slomo> mono-classlib-1.0
[06:53] <Mitario> weird this changelog says seb128 did a change on the 18th, with entry ' Rebuild with the new cairo version
[06:53] <Mitario> '
[06:53] <Mitario> but the dep still lists libcairo1
[06:54] <slomo> Mitario: but that version didn't build iirc
[06:54] <Mitario> ah
[06:54] <siretart> slomo: is installed
[06:54] <slomo> Mitario: and that was before the glitz removal from cairo
[06:54] <Mitario> ok
[06:55] <slomo> siretart: does something like this exist: /usr/lib/mono/gac/Mono.Posix/1.0.5000.0__0738eb9f132ed756/Mono.Posix.dll ?
[06:55] <siretart> slomo: perhaps I should install gac?
[06:55] <slomo> siretart: mono-gac? maybe... try it ;)
[06:56] <siretart> slomo: no, I don't have any dir Mono.Posix
[06:57] <slomo> siretart: what does this list: dpkg -L mono-classlib-1.0 | grep Mono.Posix
[06:57] <Mitario> slomo, bah still the glitz error :/
[06:57] <siretart> slomo: strange. there seem to be somethings
[06:57] <siretart> maybe I should reinstall
[06:58] <slomo> siretart: well try that ;)
[07:01] <slomo> Mitario: it must be some library this package depends on... there's no single "glitz" in the complete sources ;)
[07:01] <dholbach> mono-gac doesnt help either
[07:01] <Mitario> yeah i'm searching, no restult so far :)
[07:01] <slomo> dholbach: does reinstalling mono-classlib-1.0?
[07:01] <dholbach> this is a quite fresh install
[07:01] <dholbach> :)
[07:01] <dholbach> i installed it yesterday
[07:02] <dholbach> *reinstalling*
[07:03] <Mitario> well there is xfce-mcs-plugins, but that's a recommend
[07:03] <dholbach> hm, the same
[07:03] <siretart> slomo: now it cryes about a not found libtomboy.so
[07:03] <slomo> Mitario: recommends doesn't matter
[07:03] <slomo> siretart: what did you change to get this? ;)
[07:03] <Mitario> still, it should be converted ;)
[07:03] <siretart> slomo: reinstall mono-classlib-1.0
[07:03] <siretart> and installing mono-gac
[07:03] <Mitario> i've looked at the deps for every non-dynamic package :/ can't find a thing with cairo1 or glitz
[07:04] <slomo> Mitario: wait, i'll take a loook
[07:04] <Mitario> yes, teach me oh great master
[07:04] <slomo> siretart: what happens after reinstalling tomboy? ;) and is this libtomboy.so somewhere?
[07:04] <siretart> slomo: nothing :(
[07:04] <siretart> will need to ask tseng
[07:05] <dholbach> Mitario: grep glitz /usr/lib/*.la ?
[07:05] <slomo> Mitario: rebuild libxfcegui4-1 first... /usr/lib/libxfcegui4.la <--- that's the evil one
[07:05] <siretart> I heard there was some foo yesterday evening about glitz
[07:05] <siretart> I think thats another mass transition :(
[07:05] <Mitario> sladen, 4-3 you mean?
[07:06] <slomo> Mitario: or that... don't know the exact package name ;)
[07:06] <Mitario> eh slomo
[07:06] <Mitario> heh ok :)
[07:06] <dholbach> siretart: i think so
[07:06] <Mitario> oh right, I now see what I did wrong in my search
[07:06] <Mitario> I just looked for deps on cairo2
[07:06] <Mitario> but didn't expect any other linkage with glitz
[07:06] <slomo> siretart: does this exist: /usr/lib/tomboy/libtomboy.so ?
[07:06] <siretart> slomo: yes, with 21556 bytes
[07:07] <slomo> siretart: and yes, this seems like another transition... rebuilding everything that depends on glitz :/
[07:07] <slomo> siretart: then i don't know... sorry
[07:12] <sistpoty> does anyone know, s.th. about pango1.0-dev?
[07:13] <sistpoty> i got strange errors here: /usr/include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoft2.h:48: error: syntax error before '*' token (more of this follow)
[07:13] <sistpoty> at fisrt glance, this doesn't look to a problem in the source-package, but rather a pango problem, however i
[07:13] <sistpoty> + am not sure bout this
[07:14] <Mitario> hmm, i'm wondering how I can install that new xfcegui package in my pbuilder, so I can move a level up in the cairo transition
[07:14] <dholbach> sistpoty: what is in line 48?
[07:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: mom
[07:15] <sistpoty> function definitions, seems like unknown types to me
[07:15] <dholbach> yep
[07:15] <sistpoty> void pango_ft2_render             (FT_Bitmap         *bitmap, [...] 
[07:15] <dholbach> maybe a missing include or something
[07:16] <sistpoty> hm...
[07:16] <slomo> sistpoty: this is freetyp2
[07:17] <slomo> siretart: /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/freetype.h maybe
[07:17] <siretart> ?
[07:17] <ivoks> :)
[07:17] <dholbach> /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/ftimage.h?
[07:17] <slomo> siretart: sorry... i meant sistpoty ;)
[07:17] <sistpoty> hehe
[07:17] <siretart> ah
[07:17] <siretart> :)
[07:18] <dholbach> sistpoty: does it have libfreetype6-dev as a build-dep? and includes /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/ftimage.h?
[07:18] <ivoks> meeting was yestrday?!
[07:18] <siretart> jessir
[07:18] <ivoks> uh, sorry... didn't know that
[07:18] <sistpoty> dholbach: mom...
[07:19] <slomo> dholbach: shouldn't freetype.h be enough as freetype.h includes ftimage.h?
[07:19] <slomo> dholbach: i don't remember any program which included something else from freetype
[07:19] <sistpoty> dholbach: indirectly it does... i'm just wondering, why freetype.h is not included
[07:19] <dholbach> slomo: yeah, probably - i just grepped for FT_Bitmap
[07:19] <sistpoty> from the pango-file
[07:20] <slomo> well... brb *reboots*
[07:23] <Mitario> ugh totem-gstreamer still depends on cairo1?
[07:23] <Mitario> or anyways according to apt-cache rdepends libcairo1
[07:24] <dholbach> if you want to hear the latest news, i suggest you take the cairo/glitz discussion over to #ubuntu-devel
[07:24] <dholbach> seb128 told me there was some trouble after upstream changed the soname
[07:24] <Mitario> ah
[07:24] <dholbach> but i'm not quite sure i got the details right
[07:24] <Mitario> hmm, maybe I should start something simpler first then :)
[07:25] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps seems to have some work left on it
[07:26] <dholbach> apt-cache -i unmet   in general is a good source for fix-candidates
[07:27] <Mitario> multiverse is not MOTU job right?
[07:27] <dholbach> it actually is
[07:27] <Mitario> ah allright
[07:28] <Mitario> also a must-fix gole for breezy?
[07:29] <siretart> sistpoty: we are leaving now for chummers!
[07:29] <dholbach> Mitario: as much as we can
[07:29] <Mitario> allright, i'll just focus on that then
[07:30] <sistpoty> siretart: allright, i'll be there in about 30mins
[07:32] <Mitario> hi \sh
[07:32] <sistpoty> dholbach: this is strange... from pango there are includes to /usr/include/ft2build.h, and ft2build.h requires the include-path to also search in /usr/include/freetype2 (which imo doesn't fit for kaffe)
[07:33] <\sh> re
[07:33] <dholbach> sistpoty: hm
[07:33] <sistpoty> but where would kaffe know this... as it only wants gtk2.0-dev? from autotools?
[07:33] <Mithrandir> sistpoty: pkg-config --cflags freetype2
[07:33] <\sh> oergs..completly tired now
[07:34] <Mithrandir> sistpoty: does it include freetype itself?  If so, it should look for it using pkg-config, if it gets ft2build.h through some other .h file, that should be fixed.
[07:34] <lathiat> dholbach: haha dude
[07:34] <lathiat> dholbach: jokes!
[07:34] <lathiat> dholbach: (r.e. appology to meeting)
[07:34] <dholbach> lathiat: yeah :)
[07:34] <dholbach> lathiat: i just felt i needed to make it clear :)
[07:34] <lathiat> 'sall good ;p
[07:35] <dholbach> even better
[07:35] <sistpoty> Mithrandir: no, the path is something like probably s.th. else -> pango-headers -> ft2build.h -> unresolved
[07:35] <sistpoty> Mithrandir: at least that way i read it ;)
[07:36] <Mithrandir> sistpoty: seems like it should use the pangoft2  in pkg-config rather than just pango
[07:43] <\sh> dholbach: my fault
[07:43] <\sh> (your excuse)
[07:44] <dholbach> \sh: don't worry
[07:44] <lathiat> anyone know about the glitz stuff?
[07:44] <lathiat> gnomemm:
[07:44] <lathiat> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libglitz.la: No such file or directory
[07:44] <lathiat> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libglitz.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[07:44] <sistpoty> ah finally... i think i got it... pkg-config is called from configure... so maybe i should regenerate the automake/autoconf-stuff and everything will be fine :)
[07:44] <dholbach> lathiat: better ask in #ubuntu-devel
[07:44] <jAvier0> hi, i know this is not the *best* place for asking this, but i couldn't get any answer in other chanels
[07:44] <jAvier0> is here anybody in charge of the 'trademark' or 'marketing'?
[07:45] <Mithrandir> jAvier0: not in here, no.  What do you wonder about?
[07:45] <\sh> lathiat: autotools magic?
[07:45] <crimsun_> it just needs to be rebuilt against the new gtk/cairo
[07:45] <lathiat> crimsun_: well thats what i was doing, rebuilding it :)
[07:45] <lathiat> maybe something its linking too needs to be rebuilt
[07:46] <lathiat> or something
[07:46] <jAvier0> i'm working in a ubuntu web site, and i have sent an email to the trademark deparment, but i've never received a response
[07:46] <slomo> hmm... who can i talk to for kernel problems? ;)
[07:46] <dholbach> #ubuntu-kernel
[07:47] <\sh> jAvier0: sabdfl when he is online or try mdz at least he can help u much more then we can
[07:47] <slomo> dholbach: thanks *makes a note*
[07:47] <jAvier0> those are nicks?
[07:47] <dholbach> jdub maybe too
[07:47] <dholbach> yes
[07:47] <jAvier0> where can i find them?
[07:47] <\sh> #ubuntu-devel
[07:47] <jAvier0> thanx!
[07:47] <Mithrandir> jAvier0: what email address did you send to?
[07:48] <jAvier0> trademarks@ubuntu.com, the one listed in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[07:48] <Mithrandir> jAvier0: try resending the mail to info@ubuntu as well.
[07:48] <jAvier0> ok, thank you very much!
[07:49] <slomo> lathiat: any matches?
[07:50] <ivoks> ping dholbach
[07:50] <dholbach> ivoks: pong
[07:50] <ivoks> dholbach: i'm just checking status of etherape
[07:50] <ivoks> you said it's uploaded, but...
[07:50] <Mitario> is libgl1-mesa-dev a replacement for xlibmesa-glu-dev?
[07:51] <dholbach> ivoks: did i say so?
[07:51] <\sh> i think libglu-mesa-dev?
[07:51] <ivoks> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=27
[07:51] <dholbach> ivoks: i don't remember... sorry - you might ask one of the buildd/archive guys, what happened to it
[07:52] <slomo> Mitario: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[07:52] <ivoks> dholbach: ok
[07:52] <dholbach> ivoks: lamont, infinity, elmo
[07:52] <Mitario> sladen, right, another transition ok :)
[07:52] <sistpoty> ok, i am off for now... (meeting siretart, and i think i am late again *g*)... cya
[07:52] <dholbach> Mitario: it's good to have you here
[07:52] <dholbach> sistpoty: have fun :)
[07:52] <sistpoty> thx
[07:52] <\sh> hmm
[07:53] <\sh> strange..who had this behaviour with jumping desktops when a popup pops up?
[07:53] <dholbach> ivoks: i'll try to fill up the gap you leave :)
[07:54] <ivoks> dholbach: it's a small gap :)
[07:54] <lathiat> ah ok so gdkmm, gtkmm need to be rebuilt first
[07:54] <ivoks> lol
[07:54] <lathiat> i have a really evil question, anyone know if i could take keyboard input from 1 machine and redirect it to the X keyboard input of another
[07:54] <ivoks> none of my pygtk apps are working now :)
[07:54] <slomo> ivoks: why's that?
[07:54] <dholbach> ivoks: that's not true
[07:54] <ivoks> all seg fault
[07:55] <\sh> pygtk is running here
[07:55] <ivoks> wifi-radar = dead, backup.py = dead, gajim = dead
[07:55] <ivoks> omg! :)
[07:55] <lathiat> ouch
[07:56] <\sh> this is a dream
[07:56] <\sh> ivoks: u broke your system...
[07:56] <ivoks> segfaults after loading pango libs
[07:56] <\sh> but how and why?
[07:56] <ivoks> i only did upgrade of breezy
[07:57] <\sh> ivoks: from hoary?
[07:57] <ivoks> no
[07:57] <ivoks> breezy for yesterday to breezy today :)
[07:57] <\sh> strange
[07:58] <\sh> i just made my update...let me relogin...to have all libs removed properly
[07:58] <\sh> brb
[07:58] <ivoks> wifi-radar dies after atk.so
[07:58] <slomo> ivoks: i've rebooted a few minutes ago... and some seconds before i updated... and everything's working here
[07:59] <ivoks> uh, ok
[07:59] <ivoks> then breezy is ok
[08:00] <ivoks> hm... i had lots of hard reseting while testing ACPI
[08:00] <ivoks> maybe something went wrong with FS
[08:00] <slomo> hmm... that sounds nice: http://raphael.slinckx.net/gshrooms.php :)
[08:01] <ivoks> hardly that could be the problem :)
[08:01] <ivoks> slomo: and illegal :)
[08:02] <slomo> ivoks: why? depends on what you share ;)
[08:02] <ivoks> or i should read beyond the subject line? :)
[08:02] <slomo> ivoks: yes read beyond the subject ;)
[08:03] <ivoks> If you click listen, rhythmbox comes to front and starts playing the buddy's feed.
[08:03] <ivoks> great
[08:03] <ivoks> then it isn't illegal
[08:03] <ivoks> cause you aren't downloading music, just listening non-comerical streaming :)
[08:04] <slomo> ivoks: wasn't this illegal too when you don't have a license for it?
[08:04] <ivoks> nope
[08:04] <ivoks> slomo: then you shouldn't listen to music at your friend's house either
[08:04] <\sh> re
[08:04] <\sh> works
[08:04] <ivoks> \sh: yeah, problem is only on my laptop
[08:04] <ivoks> slomo: problem is...
[08:05] <slomo> ivoks: but this is some kind of radio, isn't it?
[08:05] <ivoks> slomo: it's a pygtk app :))
[08:05] <ivoks> slomo: no, it isn't radio is broadcasting... you aren't broadcasting, you are streaming to one person
[08:05] <slomo> ivoks: lol... but i think you find the problem soon :)
[08:06] <\sh> ivoks: gajim is pygtk it worksd
[08:06] <slomo> ok, slang2 transition is done except some main stuff, stuff i can't fix (upstream problem and upstream seems to be dead) and this one: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=492
[08:09] <jtan325> if i have a debian package, and i would like to test for the existence of a program's configuration file in the user's home directory, and then copy over a sample file if none exists, where would I add this functionality?
[08:09] <Mitario> how do I fix a depend like: haddock depends on ghc6 or 5, but ghc5 depends on haddock to build
[08:09] <\sh> grmpf..i left my nc6000 in the office..so no compiling tonight
[08:09] <jtan325> debian/rules doesn't seem like the right place
[08:09] <herve> hello
[08:09] <\sh> hey herve
[08:14] <Mitario> this dependency stuff is so weird
[08:17] <Mitario> ghc6 depends on libgmp3, and libgmp3c2 replaces libgmp3, and I can install libgmp3c2, but ghc6 keeps getting stuck on libgmp3
[08:18] <slomo> Mitario: ghc is completly broken afaik... but better talk to siretart for ghc
[08:18] <Mitario> siretart, ping? :)
[08:18] <Mitario> slomo, ok ty :)
[08:28] <Yagisan> Good Morning All
[08:33] <DanielN> morning?? :)
[08:34] <Mitario> evening ;)
[08:34] <DanielN> yep
[08:34] <Mitario> is benjaminmontgomery here?
[08:34] <DanielN> ;>
[08:35] <Yagisan> 4:30am here :)
[08:35] <\sh> hmmm
[08:36] <Mitario> phew :)
[08:38] <\sh> rhythmbox...is it running?
[08:38] <\sh> The error was 'BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this connection)'. (Details: serial 23 error_code 14 request_code 1 minor_code 0)
[08:41] <Mitario> get a crash on startup here
[08:41] <Mitario> oh right, no debugging symbols :)
[08:43] <Mitario> \sh, where would I put FTBS with GL/GLU transition?
[08:44] <\sh> on the wiki page
[08:45] <Mitario> ok, because there's no 'status' column or st yet on that page
[08:46] <\sh> put it there.
[08:46] <\sh> but is it really gl/glu or gcc4 issue?
[08:47] <Mitario> gcc4 issue
[08:47] <Mitario> but it's a gl/glu transition pkg
[08:48] <Mitario> would it be a good idea to have an overall package status wikipage? :)
[08:48] <\sh> doesn
[08:48] <\sh> 't matter...can u fix it?
[08:48] <Mitario> it's flightgear, so :/
[08:49] <\sh> put the output on nopaste or something
[08:49] <lathiat> ok who wants to upload a new gtkmm to rebuild with glitz for me? :)
[08:50] <lathiat> s/with/without
[08:50] <Mitario> \sh, http://pastebin.com/346137
[08:53] <\sh> Mitario: there is a lib missing
[08:53] <Mitario> really?
[08:54] <\sh> and it looks like something important...because it has namespace: std::
[08:54] <Mitario> hmm
[08:54] <\sh> undefined reference at linker stage is always a lib
[08:54] <Mitario> ok
[08:55] <\sh> hmm...i have a look..but can
[08:55] <\sh> 't build right now
[08:55] <\sh> the r200 is not strong enough and gets hot
[08:55] <Mitario> ok, if you have an idea, i'll patch it and try again
[08:55] <Mitario> bah buffy also FTBFS
[08:58] <\sh> Mitario: try with g++-3.4 as build-dep please
[08:58] <\sh> flightgear
[08:58] <Mitario> willdo
[09:02] <Mitario> \sh, same error
[09:02] <lathiat> soo.. noo takers for an upload? doh
[09:02] <lathiat> wonder when siretart is back
[09:03] <Mitario> hmm, weird no, it just didn't build with g++-3.4
[09:03] <Treenaks> Complete & Utter Crack: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2005/08-25%20Weird%20keys/?img_0085.jpg
[09:03] <\sh> Mitario: pbuilder?
[09:03] <Mitario> \sh, yeah
[09:06] <\sh> Mitario: try flightgear 0.9.8-2 from debian
[09:07] <\sh> 0.9.8-3 is actual http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/flightgear
[09:11] <phlaegel> so is avahi going to make it into breezy?
[09:13] <siretart> re from the pub
[09:13] <siretart> lathiat: pong
[09:13] <siretart> Mitario: pong
[09:14] <lathiat> siretart: http://bur.st/~lathiat/gtkmm2.0.debdiff ;p
[09:14] <Mitario> siretart, oh, welcome :)
[09:14] <lathiat> siretart: in a few after i finished the testbuild :)
[09:14] <Mitario> siretart, ghc6, :)
[09:14] <Mitario> what is the process to get a package rebuilt btw?
[09:14] <siretart> lathiat: sorry, I'm in the pub. no reviews atm :)
[09:14] <lathiat> siretart: hahaha
[09:15] <Mitario> siretart, you are actually IN the pub? :P
[09:15] <siretart> Mitario: mi	you solved the issue?!
[09:15] <siretart>  Mitario sure. beside sistpoty
[09:15] <Mitario> siretart, hah, no that's the problem I thought you knew more about it :)
[09:15] <\sh> Mitario: yeah...we have pubs with wifi
[09:15] <siretart> Mitario: we are having wpa secured wifi here :)
[09:15] <Mitario> we don't have any internet cafes :(
[09:15] <Mitario> *jealous*
[09:15] <\sh> Mitario: it's not internet cafe dependend
[09:16] <Mitario> ah
[09:16] <lathiat> siretart: well when you get back the testbuild worked ;p
[09:16] <\sh> Mitario: here in cologne we have many places with open wifis in pubs...my company is sometimes sponsoring them..
[09:16] <\sh> aeh the company i work for :(
[09:16] <\sh> :)
[09:16] <\sh> shitty uk keyboard
[09:17] <siretart> uk keyboards are really weird
[09:17] <\sh> switching from german to uk keyboard makes me mad
[09:17] <siretart> indeed
[09:17] <siretart> Mitario: what about ghc6? is it working?
[09:18] <Mitario> siretart, no, I've been trying too
[09:18] <Mitario> siretart, but it seems to be some kind of circular builddep :/
[09:18] <Mitario> but i'm still investigating
[09:19] <siretart> Mitario: and even if you have a ghc6 binary, the current release wont go through gcc-4.0
[09:19] <Mitario> ah
[09:23] <Mitario> siretart, i've moved on to some other packages now
[09:23] <lathiat> dholbach! :)
[09:23] <dholbach> lathiat: :)
[09:23] <lathiat> dholbach: http://bur.st/~lathiat/gtkmm2.0.debdiff care to looK? ;p
[09:23] <lathiat> dholbach: not that its an overly complex debdiff ;p
[09:24] <slomo> wb dholbach :)
[09:24] <Mitario> hi dholbach
[09:24] <dholbach> hi everybody
[09:25] <Mitario> what do I do with packages after marking them 'need for rebuiltd' on the wikipage?
[09:26] <dholbach> Mitario: either attach a minimalistic debdiff somewhere and ask somebody to apply it or ask somebody to rebuild and upload it
[09:26] <Mitario> oki
[09:26] <dholbach> Mitario: you should tell elmo (james.troup at canonical.com) to put you on the buildds whitelist
[09:26] <dholbach> lathiat: i have a look
[09:29] <dholbach> lathiat: uploaded
[09:29] <lathiat> dholbach: thanks
[09:29] <dholbach> de rien
[09:31] <Mitario> if I change a source package, and it's more than a rebuild, should I add <ver>ubuntu1?
[09:31] <crimsun> yes
[09:32] <crimsun> is it Debian-native?
[09:32] <dholbach> if it has buildX, replace it with ubuntu1
[09:32] <dholbach> hi daniel btw
[09:32] <Mitario> dholbach, it doesnt
[09:32] <crimsun> hi daniel :)
[09:32] <Mitario> just a debian version number
[09:33] <dholbach> bbl
[09:45] <Mitario> would http://rafb.net/paste/results/MZZyIL34.html look like a gcc4 error?
[09:47] <\sh> yes could be...what is it?
[09:47] <Mitario> ctsim
[09:48] <\sh> mmm
[09:49] <\sh> try this
[09:49] <\sh> SGPDriver driver = SGPDriver (...)
[09:49] <\sh> the next line as well
[09:50] <\sh> Class var = ClassConstructor(...)
[09:50] <\sh> i'm not sure about it
[09:54] <Mitario> heh doing 3 packages at a time now :/
[09:55] <Mitario> \sh, results in more errors
[09:55] <Mitario> eh no actually the same
[09:55] <\sh> mmh: sudo apt-get install php4-mcrypt hilft dir evtl
[09:56] <\sh> Mitario: i thought so..leave them if its not possible..i will try it tomorrow
[09:56] <\sh> i have also one beast...boson-base
[09:56] <Mitario> \sh, okay
[09:57] <\sh> and this is qt...there is an include error issue in a .ui file, which is translated to cpp/h
[09:57] <Mitario> buh
[09:59] <\sh> one last cigarette and i'm going to bed..just had 4 hours of sleep today
[10:00] <Mitario> heh
[10:00] <Mitario> i'll create some debdiffs tomorrow and put them on the wiki
[10:01] <\sh> thx
[10:02] <Mitario> btw, most packages on the wiki in unmetdeps actually work
[10:02] <slomo> Mitario: did you look at every binary package created by these source packages?
[10:03] <slomo> Mitario: you can try to regenerate this list... maybe it's a bit old
[10:03] <Mitario> yeah well, I just do apt-get install <package> for every package :)
[10:04] <\sh> Mitario: aehm...check the deps...
[10:04] <\sh> Mitario: some deps are in the archive but will disappear in the future
[10:04] <Mitario> well if the debs aren't isntallable, the package wouldn't be installable too
[10:04] <Mitario> ah right
[10:04] <Mitario> how can I find out about them?
[10:05] <Mitario> anyways good night!
[10:05] <slomo> gn8 \sh_away
[10:09] <\sh> ok..going to bed early today :)
[10:11] <bddebian> Gnight \sh
[10:16] <herve> night all
[10:24] <pef> mmm kvpnc seems to be accepted into universe (heart in REVU), but I can't find it in official repository
[10:37] <Yagisan> pef: ping
[10:38] <Nafallo> pef: that's not the same. the heart only says it has enough advocates.
[10:43] <pef> Yagisan, pong
[10:43] <pef> Nafallo, and what is now missing to get it accepted ?
[10:43] <Nafallo> pef: nothing :-)
[10:43] <Nafallo> pef: or, ehh... elmo :-P
[10:44] <Nafallo> after someone uploads it that is
[10:44] <pef> :] 
[10:44] <Yagisan> pef: was browsing the Universe Candidates at the wiki, you listed Doomsday as a candidate
[10:44] <pef> now only 2 advocates are required, right ?
[10:44] <Yagisan> pef: It's sitting in revu
[10:45] <Yagisan> yes - just 2
[10:45] <pef> Yagisan, it's not exactly me, I've just added the note about the data files ;)
[10:45] <Yagisan> oh, well the data file installers at at revu too
[10:46] <Yagisan> :)
[10:49] <pef> Yagisan, I've updated the wiki, thanks !
[10:50] <slomo> Yagisan: you got me vote for deng again ;)
[10:50] <Yagisan> thanks
[10:54] <Yagisan> all I need now, are some kind words for the rest of deng-*
[10:54] <slomo> Yagisan: ok, i'll look at one... anything you want to be looked at first?
[10:55] <Yagisan> most popular based on downloads is deng-iwad-doom2-installer
[10:56] <slomo> ok
[10:57] <Yagisan> followed by deng-jdoom-rp, then deng-jdoom-tp, deng-jdoom-ep and deng-jdoom-ui ;)
[10:57] <Nafallo> slomo: yes, kazehakase ;-)
[10:58] <slomo> Yagisan: only one ;) and then kazehakase, whatever that is ;)
[10:58] <Yagisan> kazehakase won't be fun. I used to use it on Debian
[10:59] <Yagisan> it was effectively (for my point of view as a user) a shell around mozilla
[10:59] <Nafallo> slomo, Yagisan: see my comment :-P
[11:00] <Yagisan> that's funny
[11:00] <Nafallo> and ask if it's unclear ;-)
[11:00] <Yagisan> I think they are same version
[11:01] <Nafallo> right now yes, but this means we have to rebuild it everytime we have a new mozilla coming.
[11:02] <Nafallo> and that would be a PITA
[11:03] <Yagisan> it IS a PITA. Have you tried to use it ? it's then more of a PITA.
[11:04] <Nafallo> I'm only fixing a bug on Malone :-P
[11:04] <pef> bye !
[11:04] <Nafallo> doesn't work in hoary because we have diffrent mozilla then kazehakase is built for
[11:04] <Yagisan> looking at the upstream site now
[11:05] <lathiat> ajmitch: i udpated pkgstat to not be broken
[11:05] <lathiat> ajmitch: and handle libraries
[11:06] <Yagisan> Nafallo: upstream site seems to indicate it "should" work with newer releases then what it was compiled for
[11:07] <Nafallo> I guess we could always try :-P
[11:08] <Nafallo> but then I'm not sure what happens if it doesn't work in breezy ;-)
[11:08] <slomo> Yagisan: the doom2 installer looks good imho :) i assume all installers are very similar?
[11:08] <Nafallo> breezy-updates candidate?
[11:09] <Nafallo> Yagisan: where on that page did you find that info? :-)
[11:09] <slomo> Yagisan: but... the package even gets installed when it doesn't fine the wad file in the directory one mentioned... that seems wrong to me
[11:10] <ajmitch> lathiat: great
[11:11] <Yagisan> Nafallo: http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/wiki/hiki.cgi?cmd=view&p=AboutKazehakase&key=mozilla
[11:11] <Yagisan> slomo: All installers are very similar
[11:12] <slomo> Nafallo: you have doubled Build-Depends on mozilla-dev in k*
[11:12] <Yagisan> slomo: package is installed but would need to be re-configured if it doesn't find the wad file
[11:12] <Nafallo> slomo: I know. to version the dep.
[11:12] <Nafallo> slomo: >= and then <<
[11:13] <slomo> Yagisan: maybe add something about that to the script... and let the user retry when he wants... and maybe a prompt before the user has to enter something... an completly empty line seems weird
[11:13] <slomo> Nafallo: oh, haven't seen that... sorry... it's a bit late ;)
[11:14] <Nafallo> slomo: no worries :-)
[11:15] <Nafallo> Yagisan, slomo: shall I upload that versioned kazehakase and try to fix it in the next releasecycle?
[11:15] <slomo> Nafallo: it looks ok for me... don't know if there's a better solution when it always break on new versions
[11:16] <Nafallo> slomo: I'll take that headache when the time comes then I try to speak to the debian maintainer until then.
[11:16] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:16] <Yagisan> Nafallo, what does debian do with the deps ?
[11:16] <Yagisan> are the as tight ?
[11:16] <Yagisan> s/the/they/
[11:16] <slomo> Nafallo: yeah, probably the best way... and when debian doesn't know talk to upstream
[11:16] <Yagisan> upstream speaks Japanese :)
[11:16] <Nafallo> Yagisan: yea, but they use conflicts
[11:17] <slomo> Nafallo: but your solution is clearly better than what was there before imho
[11:17] <Nafallo> slomo: haven't worked since warty, if even then ;-)
[11:17] <Nafallo> so yea :-)
[11:17] <slomo> Nafallo: up with it :P
[11:17] <Yagisan> for now, go with the tight depends, Ubuntu releases every 6 months, so it would need another update anyway
[11:18] <slomo> Yagisan: got me suggestions for the script?
[11:18] <Yagisan> slomo: yep, it's a very simple script I wrote
[11:19] <Yagisan> I'm looking at it now
[11:19] <slomo> Yagisan: please improve it a bit and tell me then ;)
[11:19] <Yagisan> if I exit 127 on error, it won't install then
[11:20] <slomo> Yagisan: yes... but let the user retry when he wants... maybe it was just a typo ;)
[11:21] <Nafallo> I put a comment on it but do not want it archived ;-)
[11:21] <slomo> Nafallo: why? just as a reminder? ;)
[11:22] <slomo> Nafallo: btw... can't this be built against firefox?
[11:22] <lathiat> binary claims to be 2.3.0-2 but the source is 2.2.0
[11:22] <Yagisan> slomo: No, needs mozilla to the best of my knowledge
[11:22] <Mithrandir> lathiat: is there anything wrong with that?
[11:23] <lathiat> Mithrandir: how can there be a higher binary in the archive than source version?
[11:23] <Yagisan> slomo: that's why I removed it, and taught my wife to use firefox and knoquerer
[11:23] <Mithrandir> lathiat: source version and binary version doesn't have to match
[11:23] <lathiat> Mithrandir: oh? didnt know that
[11:24] <slomo> Yagisan: why don't you use epiphany or galeon? ;)
[11:24] <Mithrandir> lathiat: look at gcc-defaults, for instance.
[11:24] <lathiat> Mithrandir: well, where would it get its different binary version from
[11:25] <Yagisan> slomo: They don't render my business website correctly
[11:25] <slomo> Yagisan: give me an url :)
[11:25] <Mithrandir> lathiat: specified in the build
[11:25] <Yagisan> slomo: the current work in progress is at http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/
[11:26] <lathiat> Mithrandir: yerrr whats an epoch
[11:26] <lathiat> i think i just stepped into bad territory :)
[11:26] <Nafallo> slomo: it can, but I don't want to differ with debian until I discussed it when there maintainer.
[11:26] <Nafallo> slomo: and yes, a reminder and hopefully someone comment on it with a better solution ;-)
[11:26] <slomo> lamont, Mithrandir: we had a 2.3.0 sourceversion some time ago... http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openswan/
[11:27] <slomo> lathiat even
[11:27] <lathiat> slomo: could this be due to the epoch that was added?
[11:27] <lathiat> theres like
[11:27] <lathiat> a 1:2.2.0
[11:28] <slomo> lathiat: probably this is the reason why the epoch was added... now the 2.2.0 is "higher" than the 2.3.0
[11:28] <lathiat> slomo: ah
[11:28] <lathiat> i see
[11:28] <slomo> lathiat: and the 2.2.0 isn't in the archive in binary form because of build failures
[11:28] <lathiat> slomo: right
[11:28] <lathiat> so i should look at fixing 2.2.0
[11:28] <lathiat> and not wonder where 2.3.0 went
[11:29] <slomo> lathiat: it looks like gcc 4.0 problems... but this is kernel stuff, isn't it? so compile with gcc 3.3
[11:30] <janimo> guys, didn't someone say libcairo1 was purged from the archive?
[11:30] <janimo> how come it is still found in builds?
[11:30] <slomo> lathiat: i mean gcc 3.4
[11:31] <lathiat> janimo: you would still have a local copy
[11:31] <lathiat> janimo: perhaps
[11:31] <slomo> janimo: it is still there... so not every package depending on it is broken
[11:31] <lathiat> janimo: also various packages have not yet been rebuilt, which make them uninstallable
[11:31] <janimo> not me, the ubuntu build system
[11:31] <janimo> some xfce4 packages just got a kick for rebuild yesterday and they seem to have linked agains cairo1
[11:31] <janimo> somehow
[11:32] <lathiat> err
[11:32] <lathiat> how did that happen
[11:32] <janimo> I suppose another dependency (libexo) pulled that in or whatever
[11:33] <janimo> the question is isn;t cairo1 gone for good so anything trying to build against it is supposed to FTBFS and we notice?
[11:33] <janimo> I was happy xfce4 got rebuilt then saw it still needs cairo1
[11:34] <lathiat> sure that particular package got rebuilt?
[11:34] <lathiat> it might have failed
[11:34] <lathiat> or that package may not have been sent at all
[11:42] <mbreit> does someone know lisp a little bit?
[11:43] <ajmitch> my lisp knowledge is about (()) :)
[11:43] <slomo> mbreit: show me the real error in the ppc build of maxima and i'll look further ;)
[11:43] <mbreit> lol... i am asking because i tried to fix unmet deps of maxima... and succeded on amd64...
[11:44] <mbreit> but unfortunatly it failed on all other archs...
[11:45] <mbreit> slomo: send the error via jabber... thanks for looking
[11:45] <slomo> mbreit: doesn't look like a lisp error... more like some bug in gcl
[11:46] <ajmitch> 14
[11:46] <ajmitch> hm
[11:46] <slomo> 14?
[11:48] <ajmitch> sorry, irssi is on screen 14 :)