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PoetaVampirohi!02:33
PoetaVampiroI'm quite interested in udubuntu02:33
PoetaVampiroi will be teatching computers to first graders this season, kids with 5-10 years02:35
PoetaVampirowhere can i get a list describing the software that will come on the cd?02:36
PoetaVampironot the packets names, the desctiption, please02:36
PoetaVampirois there anyone here?02:37
PoetaVampiroalso i would like to talk to someone for advice on how to teach linux to kids02:37
PoetaVampiro(litlle kids)02:37
PoetaVampirodoes anyone here teaches children?02:39
Rondomhello02:39
PoetaVampirohi rondom02:39
Rondomwww.edubuntu.org is a good start02:39
PoetaVampiroi've been there already02:40
Rondomedubuntu isn't finished yet02:40
PoetaVampiroI know02:40
RondomI'm not an expert, I'm not involved in development, I'm only interested in the development02:40
PoetaVampiroRondom, are u a teacher?02:40
Rondomno an a-level-student02:41
PoetaVampirowhat is a-level? 02:41
PoetaVampiro(sorry, I'm portuguese)02:41
Rondomacutally I'm not an a-level-student, a-levels are the equivalent in the english school-system02:42
Rondoma-levels grant you to go to university02:42
Rondomin Germany we call it "Abitur"02:42
PoetaVampiroI'm currently using ubuntu, and I thought that it would be nice to teach linux to the kids, because windows, they already will learn everywhere02:42
Rondom5-10 is your target-group?02:43
Rondomgcompris is nice02:43
PoetaVampiroyes02:43
Rondomit's a set of educational programs for kids02:43
PoetaVampirowhere can I find a description?02:43
RondomKlettres helps learning the alphabet, but I'm not shure if there's a protugues version for the language output02:44
PoetaVampiroi think i found it :-) on google02:45
PoetaVampirowill it work on gnome?02:45
Rondomhttp://www.ofset.org/gcompris/02:45
Rondomyes02:45
RondomI have it installed and I tried it already :-)02:45
Rondomklettres also works on gnome02:46
PoetaVampirowill it show on synaptics?02:46
Rondomyes02:46
PoetaVampirogreat02:46
RondomI've just checked02:47
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Rondomtheere's also portugues language output, install gcompris-sound-pt and you'll hear portugues lettres02:47
ioio24hello! Anyone had try to install Oracle Database over Ubuntu?02:47
PoetaVampiroi'm already installing it02:50
Rondomit has a ui suited for children02:50
Rondomthe only disadvantag is IMO that there isn't enough voice-output02:51
ioio24PoetaVampiro: Do you install the "Oracle 9i Lite" version?02:51
Rondombut there are pictures everywhere02:51
Rondomso you don't have to read02:51
PoetaVampironope ioio02:53
ioio24Personal? Database? What version?02:53
PoetaVampirook Rondom02:54
PoetaVampirothanks a lot for that02:54
ioio24ups sorry.. im confuse with your conversation...02:54
ioio24bye02:54
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PoetaVampiroRondom nice games :-)03:36
PoetaVampirosome of them are not well translated03:36
PoetaVampirobut they are very nice03:37
PoetaVampiro:-)03:37
Rondomthe package kdeedu also contains some other edu-games, but most of them are for older pupils03:41
Rondomit contains als education-related apps03:41
Rondomincluding KEduca, a app for creating tests03:42
PoetaVampiroit would be nice to put some online games on the site itself03:47
PoetaVampiroi  plan to let the kids use the internet a lot03:47
PoetaVampirosince most of the applications i use, are integrated on firefox, why not let the kids explore the same philosophy?03:49
PoetaVampiroif they can find sites where they can use software without having to pay, and most of the times, simpler to use then large company made programs, why not? :-)03:51
PoetaVampirowe should have some kind of 'open flash' tool with better quality than the original one :-D in that way there would be thousands of games for kids03:56
PoetaVampiroon the other hand, the objective is that they learn some stuff they probably wouldn't without guidance04:00
PoetaVampiroand in that way, i was impressed by gcompris04:02
PoetaVampirobecause most of the activities is oriented to an objective04:04
PoetaVampiroI have to try this with my 2 kids04:05
!lilo:*! Whelp, time to upgrade the testnet to hyperion 1.0 release!04:14
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Aug 24 15:41:30 2005
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ballhello JaneW08:35
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JaneWhi ball :)08:35
JaneWhello jsgotangco 08:35
ballhello jsgotangco08:36
jsgotangcosomething is wrong with X08:37
jsgotangcoheh08:37
jsgotangcohmm08:37
jsgotangcohmm08:37
jsgotangcoor just firefox08:37
jsgotangcomy mouse pointer won't respond lol08:38
jsgotangcoi'll brb first08:38
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jsgotangcohehehe it wasnt working08:40
jsgotangcodohh08:40
jsgotangcohi all (btw)08:40
JaneWoh no!08:41
JaneWthe dreaded X08:41
jsgotangcoJaneW, it works i probably messed up something08:42
jsgotangcoi was testing the daily build08:43
jsgotangcohmm i still got hit by #1400708:44
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highvoltageoh yes, morning too, btw ;)08:45
jsgotangcomorning highvoltage 08:46
highvoltagehi jsgotangco 08:47
highvoltagejsgotangco: you've got one of the most complicated nicks i've seen. i have to think each time i type it :)08:47
jsgotangcooh08:47
jsgotangcosorry about that08:47
jsgotangcomy surname is indeed complicated08:48
jsgotangcoi wanted to change it before but people people keep asking who the hell am i08:48
jsgotangcoif its easier for you just say "just got tangoed"08:48
balljsgotangco: do they still have that big orange geezer?08:49
jsgotangcoball, ?08:49
balljsgotangco: It was an old Tango ad that used that catchphrase08:49
jsgotangcooh yeah i remember that08:50
jsgotangcoheh08:50
ball(Tango was a British soda)08:50
jsgotangcoyes yes08:50
jsgotangcoi think they  still do08:50
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ballhello jyap08:50
jyaphi ball08:50
jyapwhats up ball?08:50
ballNot much, just thinking about going to bed.08:51
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ballHello jsg_ltsp08:51
jsg_ltspthere it goes08:51
jsg_ltsphi JaneW 08:51
jsg_ltsp:)08:51
jsgotangcohe its just me in the client08:52
jsg_ltsphmm its quite fast even in a small switch08:53
ballsmall switch?08:54
jsgotangcoi have a pocket switch here just 4 ports08:55
ball100baseTX switch?08:55
jsgotangcoyeah08:56
jsgotangco0825 build is actually good09:00
ballOh dear, it's time that I was in bed09:03
ballGoodnight all.09:03
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JaneWthis laptop is making me furious...09:05
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jsgotangcohmmm10:27
JaneWwhere's ogra again?10:36
JaneWmore line trouble for him too?10:37
jsgotangcohe left us...10:40
jsgotangcoand gave all the remaining work to you..10:40
JaneWYAY :)10:41
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jsgotangcoso we will wait your upcoming packages10:41
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JaneWdid I mention it's a MANILLA envelope....?10:58
jsgotangcoits only 1 L11:00
JaneWsorry11:11
JaneWmy lack of spelling skills is surpassed only by my lack of typing skills11:11
JaneWalthough I seems to do 43 wpm consistently... how good/bad is that?11:11
JaneWseem11:11
jsgotangcoJaneW, I can do 7211:12
JaneWno way!11:13
jsgotangcoI had typing classes during HS and college11:13
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JaneWand I still look at my hands most of the time11:13
jsgotangcowith huge IBM and Olympia typewriters11:13
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jsgotangcoI could probably excel as a transcription professional11:13
jsgotangcoand just forget about Linux haha11:14
JaneWI use 6 fingers... I am now aware of using more than that, but I am typing thing now to check, NOPE IT;S 811:14
jsgotangcoif you were trained to touch type, its quite easy11:14
jsgotangcoalthough i can only do it in a US keyboard11:14
JaneWIt's just the little fingers tha get ignored, the ring fingers do shift and enter ;)11:14
JaneWtyping was seen as lame at school11:15
jsgotangcoit also helps if i use a full size keyboard instead of a laptop keyboard11:15
JaneWand only the 'stupid' kids did it11:15
JaneWif only we knew...11:15
jsgotangcoeh?11:15
JaneWit was one of the only subjects teaching a skill you could actually use!11:15
jsgotangcoaaa ;;; sss lll11:15
jsgotangcoasdf jkl;11:15
jsgotangcohehe11:15
jsgotangcohave you heard of the game typer shark for windows11:15
jsgotangcoits actually much more exciting than mavis beacon11:16
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jsgotangcoi also bought "typing of the dead"11:17
JaneWin our school it was only taken by kids who had dropped 'real' subjects like maths, accountancy etc, and needed something 'easy' to fill the gap11:20
JaneWwhat can I say it was an academic (read elitist) school11:20
JaneWnow I know that was far from the truth and those who took typing have a distinct advantage11:20
jsgotangcoeh?11:21
jsgotangcoi also took accounting11:21
jsgotangconever had that much use of it11:21
jsgotangcoJaneW, have you heard of typing of the dead11:22
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DanielCHello. I'm making progress, albeit very slowly.11:28
DanielCMy thin client boots now, but I can't login.11:29
JaneWjsgotangco: huh?11:29
DanielCThis is strange. I can't login even from a tty.11:29
JaneWDanielC: good to hear - glad mdz was able to help you..11:29
DanielCI get a "Login incorrect" message.11:29
DanielCJaneW: Yeah... :)11:29
JaneWDanielC: it's a pitty Ogra is not here again11:30
DanielCStill having ISDN problems?11:30
jsgotangcoJaneW, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A//www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/&ei=MeEOQ9jAMJOWswG40r2kCg11:30
jsgotangcooopps11:30
jsgotangcohttp://www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/ rather11:31
JaneWjsgotangco: looks like fun11:37
DanielCIf I my ask, what is ogra's and mdz' role in Edubuntu? I noticed that someone on the list deferred to mdz...  Just trying to learn who is who  :-)11:46
DanielCif I *may* ask...  :-)11:46
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JaneWwhat's up with my link....?01:53
JaneWmust be the gale force wind and rain.01:53
JaneWDanielC: ping02:03
DanielCJaneW: pong02:04
DanielChi02:04
JaneWDanielC: hi, did your question get answered earlier?02:04
JaneWre ogra and mdz?02:04
DanielCNo, I didn't.02:04
JaneWok, well I can shed some light02:04
DanielC:-)02:05
JaneWmdz is Canonical's CTO02:05
JaneWchief technical officer02:05
=== DanielC was about to ask :-)
JaneWso he is in charge of everything we release02:05
JaneWand gets to decide what's in and what's out etc02:05
JaneWand approves decisions and delays etc02:05
JaneWwe all report to him 02:05
DanielCSo the CTO is answering support questions on the list?02:06
JaneWogra is the developement lead for edubuntu02:06
JaneWour CTO is very involved yes ;)02:06
DanielCcool02:06
DanielCyou don't see that often...02:06
JaneWand VERY knowledgable too02:06
DanielC:-)02:06
JaneWthe fact that he wrote (and/or customised) the LTSP package played a role in him responding in this case too02:07
DanielCah02:07
DanielCIf I may ask, what do you do?02:07
DanielCwhat's your area?02:07
JaneWI am a project manager02:08
JaneWso I am trying to co-ordinate all the bits of edubuntu02:09
JaneWand hopefully they'll all tie up nicely as we reach the launch date02:09
DanielCWhat's the difference between a project manager and a lead?02:09
JaneWit's about having lots of responsibility, but not very much control ;)02:09
DanielC:-)02:09
JaneWa PM watches the 'triple constraint'02:09
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JaneWTime, Cost/Budget, Quality02:10
DanielCah02:10
JaneWchanging one always affects the others02:10
JaneWI only started with Canonical in April, so am new to this world02:10
DanielCOk. Running a project is a balancing act, and your job is to find a good balance.02:10
JaneWI was working main-stream before, so this is quite different02:11
JaneWnod02:11
DanielCDo you like it so far?02:11
JaneWyes, but I still don;t understand everything02:11
JaneWI am loving using Ubuntu02:11
JaneWuntil I decided to d/l and install a program02:11
DanielCnew experiences is what makes life interesting :-)02:11
JaneWand then I fnd I don't know what to do02:11
JaneWit's all so very different02:12
DanielCIt's certainly different.02:12
DanielCI like the way installation works on Ubuntu/Debian better, but it's very different from other environments.02:12
DanielCDo you know how to install software now?02:12
JaneWI like to think I represent a large portion of the target market02:13
JaneWso if it;s made so I can understand and handle it, many people will02:13
JaneW(I am an above average windows user, and do have some AIX exeperience too)02:13
JaneWwell I tired to install freemind, but I had a conflict so I eventually gave up02:13
DanielCSounds like a good POV.02:13
JaneWI also installed flash and that caused havoc so I had to remove it again...02:14
DanielC:(02:14
JaneWyep, so no funky flash sites for me...02:14
DanielCAre you running Hoary?02:15
JaneWyes02:15
DanielCI see that freemind is not in the archives :(02:15
DanielCI guess that explains why it's hard.02:15
JaneWI have Breezy (installed beg July) but it has no sound...?02:15
JaneWso I mostly stick with hoary02:16
DanielCInstalling from the archives is easy. Installing something that's not on the archives might be anywhere from easy to impossible.02:16
DanielCI got flash installed by following the instructions on ubuntuguide.org02:17
DanielCI think it's well written. The steps are clear and unambiguous.02:18
DanielCAt least, I thought so... then again, I'm used to Linux.02:18
DanielCI've been using it for 7 years.02:18
JaneWcool02:18
JaneWI installed the default from a web page first (mistake)02:19
JaneWthen I installed from inside ubuntu - easy02:19
DanielC:-)02:19
JaneWbut it still didn;t work02:19
DanielCoh02:19
JaneWor at least it did, the falsh part was fine, but it made ff unstable and if I tried to edit a wiki all ff wondows would crash02:19
JaneWI need to edit wikis, so I had to uninstall02:20
DanielCThat's surprising...02:20
DanielCand bad.02:20
JaneWyep02:20
DanielCA broken flash shouldn't kill ff.02:20
DanielCWell, thank you for the introductions.02:22
JaneWnp :)02:22
highvoltagei wish i could know as much as mdz or ogra.02:22
DanielCI'm impressed that the people in charge are so easy to reach. That's very cool.02:22
highvoltageoh sorry, i'm replying to old messages PgDn...02:23
highvoltagei'm sure when I'm as old as they are I will though :)02:23
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DanielC:-)02:23
DanielChighvoltage: how old are you?02:24
highvoltage2302:25
highvoltagequite old myself, now that i think of it.02:25
DanielCprime of your youth :-)02:25
DanielCI'm a geezer. I'm 26  :-)02:25
highvoltagehehe.02:25
highvoltagei think prime was at about 8, from there it was just downhill02:26
DanielCI think 18-24 is are the prime years.02:26
highvoltagedid you know, that when you're about 10, your hearing starts to weaken?02:27
DanielCno, I didn't.02:27
DanielCThat's interesting.02:27
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highvoltageyes, it is. a friend of mine has a philosophy, that if you never drink, smoke, etc. you might just die healthy.02:28
mptWhen you're 18, your sex drive starts decreasing02:28
mptWhen you're 30, you start getting shorter02:28
DanielCmpt: Is that true? about the sex drive?02:29
mptnot sure :-)02:29
highvoltagei think i'm genetically younger than other people my age.02:29
highvoltageperhaps because i don't drink or smoke much.02:30
DanielCI don't drink and smoke at all.02:30
DanielCI think that just means I'm smarter than most people.  :-)02:30
DanielCOkay, I'll have a glass of wine now and again...02:30
mptah, yes, it is true DanielC02:30
highvoltageDanielC: most people who don't, do think they're smarter ;)02:30
mpthttp://straightdope.com/classics/a2_208.html02:31
DanielCsmoking is particularly dumb.02:31
highvoltageso, how do we fit all these life lessons into edubuntu?02:31
DanielCyou spend all this money on something that tastes bad and hurts your lungs.02:31
highvoltage:)02:31
DanielCThis is an educational discussion  :-)02:31
DanielCAlcohol is different because some types actually taste good, and moderate quantities actually improve your health.02:31
highvoltagewe should have splash screens "smoking causes cancer", "don't smoke around children", before they know it, the entire school will be smoking :)02:32
DanielC:-)02:32
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Aug 24 15:41:30 2005
(mpt/#edubuntu) "don't drink"02:32
mpt"be nice to your teachers"02:33
JaneWDanielC: even sabdfl hangs around in #ubunut-devel and talk to people directly02:33
JaneWit's literally and open company ;)02:33
JaneWhighvoltage: so do I!02:33
JaneWs/and/an02:33
JaneWsorry more typos than usual - I am trying to eat lunch and read something ;)02:33
DanielCJaneW: Who is sabdfl ?02:33
highvoltageself appointed benevolent dictator for life.02:34
highvoltageaka Mark Shuttleworth02:34
DanielCMark?02:34
DanielC:-)02:34
DanielCcool02:34
highvoltageaka founder of Canonical/Ubuntu02:34
highvoltageaka space traveler02:34
DanielCI hear Mark's a cool guy.02:34
highvoltageaka founder of shuttleworth foundation02:34
highvoltageetc :)02:34
DanielCMy employer met him last week to talk about education.02:34
highvoltagewell, if it wasn't for his hairstyle... but that's contraversial02:35
DanielC:-)02:35
highvoltagein south africa, two newspapers even had articles about the various bad hairstyles he's had before :)02:35
DanielChe he02:36
JaneWbeen lagged but technically niether 18 nor 24 are 'prime02:36
JaneW'02:36
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DanielCJaneW: what's the prime then? :-)02:36
highvoltagedamn. and there i though i had something to look forward to for next year.02:36
highvoltageDanielC: i think it's at 11% or something atm.02:36
JaneWprime = divisible by itself and 1 only :P02:37
DanielChe he02:37
JaneWso who's lost their braincell now!?02:37
highvoltageah, yes.02:37
JaneWand I'll a cretin of 3102:37
highvoltageok, so i'm at prime atm :)02:37
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DanielC:-)02:38
highvoltageactually i like the even numbered ages better.02:38
highvoltage(or at least so far)02:38
=== DanielC is an even numbered age :-)
highvoltageevery odd year, i take on too much and end up doing way too much work. on the even numbers, i relax a bit and enjoy life.02:38
JaneWoh and yes Mark is a cool guy02:38
highvoltage(except for the hair)02:39
JaneWhighvoltage: really?02:39
highvoltageJaneW: i'm quite sure the entire 12 plein street is in agreement about that? or are you objecting?02:39
DanielCJaneW: Do you meet often? I know he's in London. And Canonical is supposed to be based in South Africa.02:39
highvoltageJaneW: i'll find you those newspaper articles, kim still has them :)02:39
highvoltageDanielC: no it's not.02:39
JaneWCanonical is based in Isle of Man02:40
JaneWMark is in London02:40
JaneWI am in SA02:40
JaneWas is highvoltage 02:40
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DanielCIsle of Man?  That's news to me.02:40
JaneWogra is ain Germany02:40
highvoltageDanielC: they say so on the ubuntu site, and on distrowatch02:40
highvoltageDanielC: it's well documented everywhere :)02:40
highvoltageDanielC: it was even on slashdot a few weeks ago.02:40
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highvoltagewhat do you do? AOL time warner?02:41
DanielChighvoltage: I take it that you work for Canonical too then?02:41
highvoltage;)02:41
highvoltageDanielC: no.02:41
DanielCok02:41
highvoltageI work on the non-profit side- shuttleworth foundation.02:42
DanielCFWIW I'm in Birmingham, UK :-)02:42
DanielC2 months ago I was in the USA02:42
JaneWDanielC: cool02:42
DanielC3 years before I was in Canada02:42
highvoltagebut i'm jumping into edubuntu, and it's nice to be involved. i'll be doing more and more as i get things organised.02:42
DanielCand 9 years before that I was in Venezuela.02:42
highvoltageDanielC: what nationality are you?02:43
DanielCI'm a dual citizen of Venezuela and Canada.02:43
DanielCI'm special  :-)02:43
JaneW2 months ago we were in London02:43
DanielCJaneW: Meeting Mark?02:44
JaneWDanielC: well meeting with him - we have met him before...02:44
DanielCI've just been to London once. I liked it.02:44
DanielCYeah, that's what I meant, meeting with him.02:44
JaneWI sort of liked it, but found it pretty dirty surprisingly02:44
DanielCreally?02:44
JaneWDanielC: oic, well then yes...02:45
DanielCI didn't notice it being particularly dirty. Certainly cleaner than Washington DC  (where I was located before).02:45
highvoltageJaneW: dirty?02:45
highvoltageoh, London. :)02:46
JaneWDanielC: see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSummitGallerys02:46
highvoltagehehe...i thought you meant mark.02:46
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DanielChe he02:46
DanielCThat would have been an interesting comment.02:46
JaneWhighvoltage: yes I meant London was dirty as in grimey and sooty - no other interpretations please!02:46
highvoltagethe station at westminster was *very* dirty02:46
highvoltageit made me think of Bellville station.02:46
JaneWppl complain about SA being dirty but it's not02:47
JaneWwe wash our roads!02:47
DanielCwhat's SA?02:47
highvoltageSouth Africa02:47
DanielCI thought you were in the states?02:47
highvoltagenope, we're in south africa.02:47
DanielCok02:48
highvoltagewe're too cool for the states.02:48
DanielC:-)02:48
DanielCthat's a good man...02:48
DanielCI am too. That's why I left... :-)02:48
JaneWhehe02:48
JaneWDanielC: so you're a yank?02:48
DanielCAre most employees in SA?02:48
JaneW*run*02:49
DanielCargh!02:49
JaneWDanielC: nope02:49
highvoltageDanielC: spread across the world!02:49
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highvoltagebye!02:49
DanielCNo, I'm not a yank.02:49
JaneWDanielC: there are 5 Canonical employees in SA the rest are ALL over the world02:49
DanielCthat's very cool.02:49
highvoltageJaneW: 5?02:49
JaneWAustralia, USA, CAnada, UK, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Lithuania you name it...02:49
JaneWhighvoltage: marilize, charles, morgan, eilise, adi and I02:50
JaneW602:50
DanielCInteresting.02:50
JaneWbut elise is not full time02:50
DanielCIt's a lot more spread out than most companies.02:50
DanielCSo you talk mostly by email and IRC then?02:50
JaneWDanielC: there are obviously many more pple working for Mark in SA for HBD and TSF etc02:50
JaneWDanielC: yes, IRC, e-mail and wikis02:51
DanielCWhat's HBD?02:51
JaneWDanielC: and we get together 2/3 times a year02:51
DanielCTSF == The Shuttleworth Foundation ?02:51
JaneWHere Be Dragons www.hbd.com02:51
JaneWyes02:51
DanielCSo you get free trips around the world?02:51
DanielCre HBD:  Ok, I see.02:52
DanielCThe Edubuntu summit looks like it was fun.02:55
JaneWDanielC: well yes the company sponsors us to attend INSTENSIVE work weeks (7-12 days)02:55
DanielCSo, the idea is that all the employees from around the world get together to work for 7-12 days?02:56
JaneWI found the hair article02:56
JaneWhttp://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=vn20050209102227763C33766102:56
DanielCok02:57
DanielCIt sounds like working for Canonical should be an interesting experience.02:59
JaneWDanielC: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero02:59
JaneWthat's the next Dev Summit02:59
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JaneWDanielC: interesting it is02:59
DanielCSo, you get to travel a lot it seems. That's very neat.03:00
DanielCI'm lucky to be employed at an open source company. It's a small business, but I get to work on FOSS all day.03:00
JaneWthe travelling's cool - I just kind of wish it was 10 years ago03:02
JaneW(for me)03:02
DanielC:-)03:02
JaneWwould have been much more fun (and free spirited)03:02
DanielC31 is not a bad age to travel at.03:02
JaneWDanielC: agreed, but married, kids, cars, mortgage etc makes things less flexible03:03
DanielCI'm not far from your age, and I love travelling.03:03
DanielCah03:03
JaneWso much more co-ordination involved03:03
DanielCYeah... I see.03:03
DanielCI'm still single, so I can still move about with minimal coordination.03:04
JaneWright03:04
DanielCwell, I'm glad you are doing something interesting.03:05
DanielCthat's what makes life fun to live :)03:05
JaneWyes03:08
DanielCIs ogra still having ISDN problems?03:22
DanielCI'm stuck with a problem. I can't login from the thin client. I sent an email to the mailing list, but haven't had a response.03:23
JaneWogra has responded go look03:26
DanielCok, thanks03:26
JaneWI have a feeling ogra is knuckling down to work and so is staying off line for a bit03:27
DanielC"knuckling down to work" ?  What does that mean?03:27
JaneW'nose to the grind stone' 'back to the salk mines'03:28
JaneWsalt I mean03:28
DanielCok, thanks.03:28
JaneW'getting stuck in'03:28
JaneWgot it?03:28
DanielCI'm still confused by some expressions :-)  Yes, I got it now.03:29
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JaneWhi jsgotangco , been to the pub again?03:43
JaneWbeing Friday and all ;)03:43
jsgotangcolol no03:43
jsgotangcono more budget for the week03:43
jsgotangcoheh03:43
jsgotangcoim just going to spend the night trying to figure out my schedule and life03:43
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smykeswill alexandria be included in edubuntu?03:45
jsgotangcohmm03:45
jsgotangcoim not sure03:45
jsgotangcolet me check03:45
smykesI didnt see it on the list03:45
smykesand Im trying to get it running on my classroom ubuntu box03:45
smykesbut it just sits there when I try and search03:45
jsgotangcosmykes: if its the Universe repository, you can just download it03:45
jsgotangcothe listing means that it has passed QA and security checks03:46
jsgotangcoto be included in Main03:46
jsgotangcoother than that, it is probably in Universe03:46
smykesit seems I have the latest version03:47
smykesits just kind of odd03:47
jsgotangcobecause?03:48
smykesit opens 03:48
smykesit just wont search03:48
jsgotangcosmykes: where did you get it03:48
smykessudo apt-get install alexandria03:48
DanielCJaneW: Do Canonical employees often answer questions over the weekend?  Ogra's suggestion worked, btw. I can login from the text terminal. So now I'll start trying to fix the graphical login.03:48
jsgotangcoDanielC: sure if they're online03:49
jsgotangco(its not like it has an office anyways)03:49
JaneWDanielC: there's generally always folk around on the week end03:49
DanielCOk, thanks. Good to know.03:49
JaneWluck of the draw though03:49
jsgotangcosmykes: oh its in Universe, if you encounter a problem, file a bug in launchpad.ubuntu.com03:50
jsgotangcosmykes: via Malone03:50
smykesif I cant get alexandria working can you sugges another database app like filemaker or acces03:50
smykesonly better then access03:50
jsgotangcoim not sure ogra will be over here the weekend either...03:50
jsgotangcosmykes: breezy will have OOo 2 with a database application similar to access03:51
jsgotangcoits actually good03:51
smykesis that open office?03:51
jsgotangcoyes03:51
jsgotangcoOOo Base03:52
smykeswhat would I apt get for that03:52
smykeswhat name03:52
jsgotangcoare you in Hoary?03:52
smykesI believe so yes03:53
jsgotangco(i wouldn't recommend it in Ubuntu 5.04)03:53
smykeswhats the command line for os version03:53
jsgotangcouname -a03:54
jsgotangcoput it and i'll see what you're using03:54
smykesLinux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Thu Aug 18 22:23:56 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux03:54
jsgotangcoyou're in Hoary03:54
smykesok03:54
smykestwo more questions sorry03:55
jsgotangcosure (im not doing anything actually)03:55
smykesthe database thing, I need to do inventory of all my instruments in the room03:55
smykesrecomendations03:55
smykesand a content filter because sometimes students get on this machine03:55
jsgotangcoinventory hmmm03:56
jsgotangcoyour linux skill level?03:56
smykesIm an OS X user03:56
smykesso low03:56
smykes;)03:56
jsgotangcoi see hmmm03:56
smykesI know enough to be dangerous03:56
jsgotangcoim a filemaker user myself...03:56
smykesoh yeah I know filemaker03:56
jsgotangcoi can only say OOo Base for a desktop database03:56
smykesbut it costs money03:57
smykesthis is a public school ;)03:57
jsgotangcothere are loads of free software out there for inventory but it may require some skill....03:57
smykesyeah03:57
smykesjust looking for something with a frontend03:58
jsgotangcoim sorry i really can't say...03:58
jsgotangcoi'm so biased with OOo base :)03:58
smykesheh03:58
smykeswhat about content filtering?03:58
jsgotangcocontent like adult sites, etc.?03:58
smykespretty much03:58
jsgotangcothere's squidguard...BUT03:59
jsgotangcothere's always the BUT03:59
smykesoh theres always a but03:59
jsgotangcoEdubuntu should address those things soon03:59
jsgotangcoas for a stable desktop database, I'd wait at least 2 months :)04:00
jsgotangcobecause OOo Base 2 is really good04:00
jsgotangcoyou can actually download it for hoary but its horribly slow04:00
jsgotangcothe GCC 4 transition did wonders on it04:00
smykesI have to say I love Ubuntu04:01
smykesits great04:01
jsgotangcosmykes: Edubuntu however is a server environment04:02
smykesbut the release date for edubuntu, I know it coincide with ubuntu, causes some problems for educators, summers is when we learn things04:02
jsgotangcoahhh04:02
smykesim not saying that to put it down at all04:02
smykesbecause its great04:02
smykesits just once school starts up, time becomes less and less available04:03
jsgotangcosmykes: i hope you don't get disappointed with the initial release, our goals were minimal but we intend to grow with it04:04
smykesoh I know I wont be disapointed04:05
smykesand what you are doing is great04:05
smykesthe timing, which isnt your fault, is just two or thee months off04:05
jsgotangcoperhaps we can consider that next time04:05
jsgotangcowe just coincide with ubuntu/kubuntu naturally04:05
smykesyeah I know04:05
smykesthats why im saying its not your fault04:05
smykesim going to try this bumblebe app04:07
smykesif I can get it running04:07
smykessomething about GladeXML.pm04:07
jsgotangcosmykes: brb i have a meeting with the docteam in #ubuntu-meeting feel free to come if you want04:08
smykesthanks04:09
smykesfor your help04:09
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DanielCI think I've located the problem. The thin client is mounting the file system as read-only.04:38
DanielCThat's why other things are breaking.04:39
DanielCFor example, when you login through the GUI, X will write a few files to your home directory, and if it can't it'll log you out. I've seen this before.04:39
DanielCDoes anyone know how to make the clients mount the file system read-write ?04:40
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jsgotangcohe ogra any success with your dsl?04:43
ograseems to work agaon :)04:43
ograagain04:44
DanielCogra: thanks for the help.04:48
ograyoure welcome :)04:48
DanielCogra: I can login from a tty now. I experimented a bit and it turns out that the problem is that the client is mounting the file system as read-only.04:48
DanielCVery strange.04:49
ograno thats ok04:49
DanielCit is?04:49
ogra(if you mean the local filesystem on the client)04:49
DanielCBut you can't write any files...04:50
ograthe login manager then opens a ssh tunneled X session04:50
DanielCOk, then the problem must be on the ssh tunnel. I'll check the logs, one sec...04:50
ograyou can, via the chroot command on the server.... what you have on the client is /opt/ltsp/i386 ;)04:50
DanielC"Could not create directory '/root/.ssh'"04:54
DanielCThe other lines in the log didn't look like errors.04:54
JaneWDanielC: you are awarded one of my 'Virtual Gold Star's (TM) for being the most tenacious tester we have...04:55
JaneWwell done04:55
DanielC:-)04:55
DanielCThanks.04:55
DanielCogra: I don't understand most of the log, so I don't know what's relevant and what's not...04:58
DanielCOkay, I just sent the log to the list.05:16
jsgotangcoJaneW: bah05:16
jsgotangcoyou award someone with a star while we toil with your whip05:16
DanielC:-)05:17
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DanielCjsgotangco: I take it you work for Canonical?05:20
jsgotangcono05:21
DanielCok05:21
jsgotangcoi have met them though05:21
DanielCok05:22
DanielCare you developer then?05:22
jsgotangcosort of05:23
DanielC:-)05:23
jsgotangcoi was part of the original Edubuntu spec writers05:23
DanielCcool05:23
DanielCdo you have experience in education?05:23
jsgotangcono its my interest though05:23
DanielCok05:24
DanielCthat still works :-)05:24
jsgotangcoi don't know why exactly..probably its because i already have a child05:24
DanielCare you a volunteer?05:25
jsgotangcoyes05:25
jsgotangcoi didnt get that much quality education either but i can say i have fared well...05:26
DanielCI'm interested in education :-)05:27
DanielCIt's certainly an important area to work on.05:27
jsgotangcowell yes, in my home country, we don't even have that much labs in public schools05:27
jsgotangcoor a computer even (sad)05:27
DanielCwhich one is your home country?05:28
jsgotangcoPhilippines05:28
DanielCok05:28
DanielCI grew up in Venezuela, so I'm familiar with the idea of schools with no resources.05:29
jsgotangcoyeah its sad really05:29
DanielCThough I was lucky enough to go to a private school, I know that most of my contemporaries weren't as lucky.05:29
jsgotangcoi was in my hometown this morning and nothing really changed in my old school05:29
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jsgotangconight07:13
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DanielCogra rocks08:55
DanielC:-)08:55
ograheh, thanks :)08:56
DanielCWill I have to update the ssh keys often?08:56
ogranope, only if you change the ip 08:56
ogra(or name if DNS in your localnet is working)08:56
DanielCok08:57
DanielCWe want to deploy this at a local school. They are aware that this is a bit of an experiment. Our deal with them is that they only pay for hardware and they allow us to use their school to learn how to setup thin clients.08:58
DanielCBut of course I want to make the experience positive for them. I want them to like Linux :-)08:58
ogra:)08:58
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