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PoetaVampiro | hi! | 02:33 |
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PoetaVampiro | I'm quite interested in udubuntu | 02:33 |
PoetaVampiro | i will be teatching computers to first graders this season, kids with 5-10 years | 02:35 |
PoetaVampiro | where can i get a list describing the software that will come on the cd? | 02:36 |
PoetaVampiro | not the packets names, the desctiption, please | 02:36 |
PoetaVampiro | is there anyone here? | 02:37 |
PoetaVampiro | also i would like to talk to someone for advice on how to teach linux to kids | 02:37 |
PoetaVampiro | (litlle kids) | 02:37 |
PoetaVampiro | does anyone here teaches children? | 02:39 |
Rondom | hello | 02:39 |
PoetaVampiro | hi rondom | 02:39 |
Rondom | www.edubuntu.org is a good start | 02:39 |
PoetaVampiro | i've been there already | 02:40 |
Rondom | edubuntu isn't finished yet | 02:40 |
PoetaVampiro | I know | 02:40 |
Rondom | I'm not an expert, I'm not involved in development, I'm only interested in the development | 02:40 |
PoetaVampiro | Rondom, are u a teacher? | 02:40 |
Rondom | no an a-level-student | 02:41 |
PoetaVampiro | what is a-level? | 02:41 |
PoetaVampiro | (sorry, I'm portuguese) | 02:41 |
Rondom | acutally I'm not an a-level-student, a-levels are the equivalent in the english school-system | 02:42 |
Rondom | a-levels grant you to go to university | 02:42 |
Rondom | in Germany we call it "Abitur" | 02:42 |
PoetaVampiro | I'm currently using ubuntu, and I thought that it would be nice to teach linux to the kids, because windows, they already will learn everywhere | 02:42 |
Rondom | 5-10 is your target-group? | 02:43 |
Rondom | gcompris is nice | 02:43 |
PoetaVampiro | yes | 02:43 |
Rondom | it's a set of educational programs for kids | 02:43 |
PoetaVampiro | where can I find a description? | 02:43 |
Rondom | Klettres helps learning the alphabet, but I'm not shure if there's a protugues version for the language output | 02:44 |
PoetaVampiro | i think i found it :-) on google | 02:45 |
PoetaVampiro | will it work on gnome? | 02:45 |
Rondom | http://www.ofset.org/gcompris/ | 02:45 |
Rondom | yes | 02:45 |
Rondom | I have it installed and I tried it already :-) | 02:45 |
Rondom | klettres also works on gnome | 02:46 |
PoetaVampiro | will it show on synaptics? | 02:46 |
Rondom | yes | 02:46 |
PoetaVampiro | great | 02:46 |
Rondom | I've just checked | 02:47 |
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Rondom | theere's also portugues language output, install gcompris-sound-pt and you'll hear portugues lettres | 02:47 |
ioio24 | hello! Anyone had try to install Oracle Database over Ubuntu? | 02:47 |
PoetaVampiro | i'm already installing it | 02:50 |
Rondom | it has a ui suited for children | 02:50 |
Rondom | the only disadvantag is IMO that there isn't enough voice-output | 02:51 |
ioio24 | PoetaVampiro: Do you install the "Oracle 9i Lite" version? | 02:51 |
Rondom | but there are pictures everywhere | 02:51 |
Rondom | so you don't have to read | 02:51 |
PoetaVampiro | nope ioio | 02:53 |
ioio24 | Personal? Database? What version? | 02:53 |
PoetaVampiro | ok Rondom | 02:54 |
PoetaVampiro | thanks a lot for that | 02:54 |
ioio24 | ups sorry.. im confuse with your conversation... | 02:54 |
ioio24 | bye | 02:54 |
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PoetaVampiro | Rondom nice games :-) | 03:36 |
PoetaVampiro | some of them are not well translated | 03:36 |
PoetaVampiro | but they are very nice | 03:37 |
PoetaVampiro | :-) | 03:37 |
Rondom | the package kdeedu also contains some other edu-games, but most of them are for older pupils | 03:41 |
Rondom | it contains als education-related apps | 03:41 |
Rondom | including KEduca, a app for creating tests | 03:42 |
PoetaVampiro | it would be nice to put some online games on the site itself | 03:47 |
PoetaVampiro | i plan to let the kids use the internet a lot | 03:47 |
PoetaVampiro | since most of the applications i use, are integrated on firefox, why not let the kids explore the same philosophy? | 03:49 |
PoetaVampiro | if they can find sites where they can use software without having to pay, and most of the times, simpler to use then large company made programs, why not? :-) | 03:51 |
PoetaVampiro | we should have some kind of 'open flash' tool with better quality than the original one :-D in that way there would be thousands of games for kids | 03:56 |
PoetaVampiro | on the other hand, the objective is that they learn some stuff they probably wouldn't without guidance | 04:00 |
PoetaVampiro | and in that way, i was impressed by gcompris | 04:02 |
PoetaVampiro | because most of the activities is oriented to an objective | 04:04 |
PoetaVampiro | I have to try this with my 2 kids | 04:05 |
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting | ||
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Aug 24 15:41:30 2005 | ||
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-NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> | 08:01 | |
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ball | hello JaneW | 08:35 |
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JaneW | hi ball :) | 08:35 |
JaneW | hello jsgotangco | 08:35 |
ball | hello jsgotangco | 08:36 |
jsgotangco | something is wrong with X | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | heh | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | or just firefox | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | my mouse pointer won't respond lol | 08:38 |
jsgotangco | i'll brb first | 08:38 |
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jsgotangco | hehehe it wasnt working | 08:40 |
jsgotangco | dohh | 08:40 |
jsgotangco | hi all (btw) | 08:40 |
JaneW | oh no! | 08:41 |
JaneW | the dreaded X | 08:41 |
jsgotangco | JaneW, it works i probably messed up something | 08:42 |
jsgotangco | i was testing the daily build | 08:43 |
jsgotangco | hmm i still got hit by #14007 | 08:44 |
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highvoltage | oh yes, morning too, btw ;) | 08:45 |
jsgotangco | morning highvoltage | 08:46 |
highvoltage | hi jsgotangco | 08:47 |
highvoltage | jsgotangco: you've got one of the most complicated nicks i've seen. i have to think each time i type it :) | 08:47 |
jsgotangco | oh | 08:47 |
jsgotangco | sorry about that | 08:47 |
jsgotangco | my surname is indeed complicated | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | i wanted to change it before but people people keep asking who the hell am i | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | if its easier for you just say "just got tangoed" | 08:48 |
ball | jsgotangco: do they still have that big orange geezer? | 08:49 |
jsgotangco | ball, ? | 08:49 |
ball | jsgotangco: It was an old Tango ad that used that catchphrase | 08:49 |
jsgotangco | oh yeah i remember that | 08:50 |
jsgotangco | heh | 08:50 |
ball | (Tango was a British soda) | 08:50 |
jsgotangco | yes yes | 08:50 |
jsgotangco | i think they still do | 08:50 |
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ball | hello jyap | 08:50 |
jyap | hi ball | 08:50 |
jyap | whats up ball? | 08:50 |
ball | Not much, just thinking about going to bed. | 08:51 |
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ball | Hello jsg_ltsp | 08:51 |
jsg_ltsp | there it goes | 08:51 |
jsg_ltsp | hi JaneW | 08:51 |
jsg_ltsp | :) | 08:51 |
jsgotangco | he its just me in the client | 08:52 |
jsg_ltsp | hmm its quite fast even in a small switch | 08:53 |
ball | small switch? | 08:54 |
jsgotangco | i have a pocket switch here just 4 ports | 08:55 |
ball | 100baseTX switch? | 08:55 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 08:56 |
jsgotangco | 0825 build is actually good | 09:00 |
ball | Oh dear, it's time that I was in bed | 09:03 |
ball | Goodnight all. | 09:03 |
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JaneW | this laptop is making me furious... | 09:05 |
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jsgotangco | hmmm | 10:27 |
JaneW | where's ogra again? | 10:36 |
JaneW | more line trouble for him too? | 10:37 |
jsgotangco | he left us... | 10:40 |
jsgotangco | and gave all the remaining work to you.. | 10:40 |
JaneW | YAY :) | 10:41 |
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jsgotangco | so we will wait your upcoming packages | 10:41 |
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JaneW | did I mention it's a MANILLA envelope....? | 10:58 |
jsgotangco | its only 1 L | 11:00 |
JaneW | sorry | 11:11 |
JaneW | my lack of spelling skills is surpassed only by my lack of typing skills | 11:11 |
JaneW | although I seems to do 43 wpm consistently... how good/bad is that? | 11:11 |
JaneW | seem | 11:11 |
jsgotangco | JaneW, I can do 72 | 11:12 |
JaneW | no way! | 11:13 |
jsgotangco | I had typing classes during HS and college | 11:13 |
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JaneW | and I still look at my hands most of the time | 11:13 |
jsgotangco | with huge IBM and Olympia typewriters | 11:13 |
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jsgotangco | I could probably excel as a transcription professional | 11:13 |
jsgotangco | and just forget about Linux haha | 11:14 |
JaneW | I use 6 fingers... I am now aware of using more than that, but I am typing thing now to check, NOPE IT;S 8 | 11:14 |
jsgotangco | if you were trained to touch type, its quite easy | 11:14 |
jsgotangco | although i can only do it in a US keyboard | 11:14 |
JaneW | It's just the little fingers tha get ignored, the ring fingers do shift and enter ;) | 11:14 |
JaneW | typing was seen as lame at school | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | it also helps if i use a full size keyboard instead of a laptop keyboard | 11:15 |
JaneW | and only the 'stupid' kids did it | 11:15 |
JaneW | if only we knew... | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | eh? | 11:15 |
JaneW | it was one of the only subjects teaching a skill you could actually use! | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | aaa ;;; sss lll | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | asdf jkl; | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | have you heard of the game typer shark for windows | 11:15 |
jsgotangco | its actually much more exciting than mavis beacon | 11:16 |
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jsgotangco | i also bought "typing of the dead" | 11:17 |
JaneW | in our school it was only taken by kids who had dropped 'real' subjects like maths, accountancy etc, and needed something 'easy' to fill the gap | 11:20 |
JaneW | what can I say it was an academic (read elitist) school | 11:20 |
JaneW | now I know that was far from the truth and those who took typing have a distinct advantage | 11:20 |
jsgotangco | eh? | 11:21 |
jsgotangco | i also took accounting | 11:21 |
jsgotangco | never had that much use of it | 11:21 |
jsgotangco | JaneW, have you heard of typing of the dead | 11:22 |
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DanielC | Hello. I'm making progress, albeit very slowly. | 11:28 |
DanielC | My thin client boots now, but I can't login. | 11:29 |
JaneW | jsgotangco: huh? | 11:29 |
DanielC | This is strange. I can't login even from a tty. | 11:29 |
JaneW | DanielC: good to hear - glad mdz was able to help you.. | 11:29 |
DanielC | I get a "Login incorrect" message. | 11:29 |
DanielC | JaneW: Yeah... :) | 11:29 |
JaneW | DanielC: it's a pitty Ogra is not here again | 11:30 |
DanielC | Still having ISDN problems? | 11:30 |
jsgotangco | JaneW, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A//www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/&ei=MeEOQ9jAMJOWswG40r2kCg | 11:30 |
jsgotangco | oopps | 11:30 |
jsgotangco | http://www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/ rather | 11:31 |
JaneW | jsgotangco: looks like fun | 11:37 |
DanielC | If I my ask, what is ogra's and mdz' role in Edubuntu? I noticed that someone on the list deferred to mdz... Just trying to learn who is who :-) | 11:46 |
DanielC | if I *may* ask... :-) | 11:46 |
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JaneW | what's up with my link....? | 01:53 |
JaneW | must be the gale force wind and rain. | 01:53 |
JaneW | DanielC: ping | 02:03 |
DanielC | JaneW: pong | 02:04 |
DanielC | hi | 02:04 |
JaneW | DanielC: hi, did your question get answered earlier? | 02:04 |
JaneW | re ogra and mdz? | 02:04 |
DanielC | No, I didn't. | 02:04 |
JaneW | ok, well I can shed some light | 02:04 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:05 |
JaneW | mdz is Canonical's CTO | 02:05 |
JaneW | chief technical officer | 02:05 |
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JaneW | so he is in charge of everything we release | 02:05 |
JaneW | and gets to decide what's in and what's out etc | 02:05 |
JaneW | and approves decisions and delays etc | 02:05 |
JaneW | we all report to him | 02:05 |
DanielC | So the CTO is answering support questions on the list? | 02:06 |
JaneW | ogra is the developement lead for edubuntu | 02:06 |
JaneW | our CTO is very involved yes ;) | 02:06 |
DanielC | cool | 02:06 |
DanielC | you don't see that often... | 02:06 |
JaneW | and VERY knowledgable too | 02:06 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:06 |
JaneW | the fact that he wrote (and/or customised) the LTSP package played a role in him responding in this case too | 02:07 |
DanielC | ah | 02:07 |
DanielC | If I may ask, what do you do? | 02:07 |
DanielC | what's your area? | 02:07 |
JaneW | I am a project manager | 02:08 |
JaneW | so I am trying to co-ordinate all the bits of edubuntu | 02:09 |
JaneW | and hopefully they'll all tie up nicely as we reach the launch date | 02:09 |
DanielC | What's the difference between a project manager and a lead? | 02:09 |
JaneW | it's about having lots of responsibility, but not very much control ;) | 02:09 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:09 |
JaneW | a PM watches the 'triple constraint' | 02:09 |
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JaneW | Time, Cost/Budget, Quality | 02:10 |
DanielC | ah | 02:10 |
JaneW | changing one always affects the others | 02:10 |
JaneW | I only started with Canonical in April, so am new to this world | 02:10 |
DanielC | Ok. Running a project is a balancing act, and your job is to find a good balance. | 02:10 |
JaneW | I was working main-stream before, so this is quite different | 02:11 |
JaneW | nod | 02:11 |
DanielC | Do you like it so far? | 02:11 |
JaneW | yes, but I still don;t understand everything | 02:11 |
JaneW | I am loving using Ubuntu | 02:11 |
JaneW | until I decided to d/l and install a program | 02:11 |
DanielC | new experiences is what makes life interesting :-) | 02:11 |
JaneW | and then I fnd I don't know what to do | 02:11 |
JaneW | it's all so very different | 02:12 |
DanielC | It's certainly different. | 02:12 |
DanielC | I like the way installation works on Ubuntu/Debian better, but it's very different from other environments. | 02:12 |
DanielC | Do you know how to install software now? | 02:12 |
JaneW | I like to think I represent a large portion of the target market | 02:13 |
JaneW | so if it;s made so I can understand and handle it, many people will | 02:13 |
JaneW | (I am an above average windows user, and do have some AIX exeperience too) | 02:13 |
JaneW | well I tired to install freemind, but I had a conflict so I eventually gave up | 02:13 |
DanielC | Sounds like a good POV. | 02:13 |
JaneW | I also installed flash and that caused havoc so I had to remove it again... | 02:14 |
DanielC | :( | 02:14 |
JaneW | yep, so no funky flash sites for me... | 02:14 |
DanielC | Are you running Hoary? | 02:15 |
JaneW | yes | 02:15 |
DanielC | I see that freemind is not in the archives :( | 02:15 |
DanielC | I guess that explains why it's hard. | 02:15 |
JaneW | I have Breezy (installed beg July) but it has no sound...? | 02:15 |
JaneW | so I mostly stick with hoary | 02:16 |
DanielC | Installing from the archives is easy. Installing something that's not on the archives might be anywhere from easy to impossible. | 02:16 |
DanielC | I got flash installed by following the instructions on ubuntuguide.org | 02:17 |
DanielC | I think it's well written. The steps are clear and unambiguous. | 02:18 |
DanielC | At least, I thought so... then again, I'm used to Linux. | 02:18 |
DanielC | I've been using it for 7 years. | 02:18 |
JaneW | cool | 02:18 |
JaneW | I installed the default from a web page first (mistake) | 02:19 |
JaneW | then I installed from inside ubuntu - easy | 02:19 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:19 |
JaneW | but it still didn;t work | 02:19 |
DanielC | oh | 02:19 |
JaneW | or at least it did, the falsh part was fine, but it made ff unstable and if I tried to edit a wiki all ff wondows would crash | 02:19 |
JaneW | I need to edit wikis, so I had to uninstall | 02:20 |
DanielC | That's surprising... | 02:20 |
DanielC | and bad. | 02:20 |
JaneW | yep | 02:20 |
DanielC | A broken flash shouldn't kill ff. | 02:20 |
DanielC | Well, thank you for the introductions. | 02:22 |
JaneW | np :) | 02:22 |
highvoltage | i wish i could know as much as mdz or ogra. | 02:22 |
DanielC | I'm impressed that the people in charge are so easy to reach. That's very cool. | 02:22 |
highvoltage | oh sorry, i'm replying to old messages PgDn... | 02:23 |
highvoltage | i'm sure when I'm as old as they are I will though :) | 02:23 |
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DanielC | :-) | 02:23 |
DanielC | highvoltage: how old are you? | 02:24 |
highvoltage | 23 | 02:25 |
highvoltage | quite old myself, now that i think of it. | 02:25 |
DanielC | prime of your youth :-) | 02:25 |
DanielC | I'm a geezer. I'm 26 :-) | 02:25 |
highvoltage | hehe. | 02:25 |
highvoltage | i think prime was at about 8, from there it was just downhill | 02:26 |
DanielC | I think 18-24 is are the prime years. | 02:26 |
highvoltage | did you know, that when you're about 10, your hearing starts to weaken? | 02:27 |
DanielC | no, I didn't. | 02:27 |
DanielC | That's interesting. | 02:27 |
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highvoltage | yes, it is. a friend of mine has a philosophy, that if you never drink, smoke, etc. you might just die healthy. | 02:28 |
mpt | When you're 18, your sex drive starts decreasing | 02:28 |
mpt | When you're 30, you start getting shorter | 02:28 |
DanielC | mpt: Is that true? about the sex drive? | 02:29 |
mpt | not sure :-) | 02:29 |
highvoltage | i think i'm genetically younger than other people my age. | 02:29 |
highvoltage | perhaps because i don't drink or smoke much. | 02:30 |
DanielC | I don't drink and smoke at all. | 02:30 |
DanielC | I think that just means I'm smarter than most people. :-) | 02:30 |
DanielC | Okay, I'll have a glass of wine now and again... | 02:30 |
mpt | ah, yes, it is true DanielC | 02:30 |
highvoltage | DanielC: most people who don't, do think they're smarter ;) | 02:30 |
mpt | http://straightdope.com/classics/a2_208.html | 02:31 |
DanielC | smoking is particularly dumb. | 02:31 |
highvoltage | so, how do we fit all these life lessons into edubuntu? | 02:31 |
DanielC | you spend all this money on something that tastes bad and hurts your lungs. | 02:31 |
highvoltage | :) | 02:31 |
DanielC | This is an educational discussion :-) | 02:31 |
DanielC | Alcohol is different because some types actually taste good, and moderate quantities actually improve your health. | 02:31 |
highvoltage | we should have splash screens "smoking causes cancer", "don't smoke around children", before they know it, the entire school will be smoking :) | 02:32 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:32 |
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting | ||
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Aug 24 15:41:30 2005 | ||
(mpt/#edubuntu) "don't drink" | 02:32 | |
mpt | "be nice to your teachers" | 02:33 |
JaneW | DanielC: even sabdfl hangs around in #ubunut-devel and talk to people directly | 02:33 |
JaneW | it's literally and open company ;) | 02:33 |
JaneW | highvoltage: so do I! | 02:33 |
JaneW | s/and/an | 02:33 |
JaneW | sorry more typos than usual - I am trying to eat lunch and read something ;) | 02:33 |
DanielC | JaneW: Who is sabdfl ? | 02:33 |
highvoltage | self appointed benevolent dictator for life. | 02:34 |
highvoltage | aka Mark Shuttleworth | 02:34 |
DanielC | Mark? | 02:34 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:34 |
DanielC | cool | 02:34 |
highvoltage | aka founder of Canonical/Ubuntu | 02:34 |
highvoltage | aka space traveler | 02:34 |
DanielC | I hear Mark's a cool guy. | 02:34 |
highvoltage | aka founder of shuttleworth foundation | 02:34 |
highvoltage | etc :) | 02:34 |
DanielC | My employer met him last week to talk about education. | 02:34 |
highvoltage | well, if it wasn't for his hairstyle... but that's contraversial | 02:35 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:35 |
highvoltage | in south africa, two newspapers even had articles about the various bad hairstyles he's had before :) | 02:35 |
DanielC | he he | 02:36 |
JaneW | been lagged but technically niether 18 nor 24 are 'prime | 02:36 |
JaneW | ' | 02:36 |
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DanielC | JaneW: what's the prime then? :-) | 02:36 |
highvoltage | damn. and there i though i had something to look forward to for next year. | 02:36 |
highvoltage | DanielC: i think it's at 11% or something atm. | 02:36 |
JaneW | prime = divisible by itself and 1 only :P | 02:37 |
DanielC | he he | 02:37 |
JaneW | so who's lost their braincell now!? | 02:37 |
highvoltage | ah, yes. | 02:37 |
JaneW | and I'll a cretin of 31 | 02:37 |
highvoltage | ok, so i'm at prime atm :) | 02:37 |
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DanielC | :-) | 02:38 |
highvoltage | actually i like the even numbered ages better. | 02:38 |
highvoltage | (or at least so far) | 02:38 |
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highvoltage | every odd year, i take on too much and end up doing way too much work. on the even numbers, i relax a bit and enjoy life. | 02:38 |
JaneW | oh and yes Mark is a cool guy | 02:38 |
highvoltage | (except for the hair) | 02:39 |
JaneW | highvoltage: really? | 02:39 |
highvoltage | JaneW: i'm quite sure the entire 12 plein street is in agreement about that? or are you objecting? | 02:39 |
DanielC | JaneW: Do you meet often? I know he's in London. And Canonical is supposed to be based in South Africa. | 02:39 |
highvoltage | JaneW: i'll find you those newspaper articles, kim still has them :) | 02:39 |
highvoltage | DanielC: no it's not. | 02:39 |
JaneW | Canonical is based in Isle of Man | 02:40 |
JaneW | Mark is in London | 02:40 |
JaneW | I am in SA | 02:40 |
JaneW | as is highvoltage | 02:40 |
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DanielC | Isle of Man? That's news to me. | 02:40 |
JaneW | ogra is ain Germany | 02:40 |
highvoltage | DanielC: they say so on the ubuntu site, and on distrowatch | 02:40 |
highvoltage | DanielC: it's well documented everywhere :) | 02:40 |
highvoltage | DanielC: it was even on slashdot a few weeks ago. | 02:40 |
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=== DanielC doesn't do /. | ||
highvoltage | what do you do? AOL time warner? | 02:41 |
DanielC | highvoltage: I take it that you work for Canonical too then? | 02:41 |
highvoltage | ;) | 02:41 |
highvoltage | DanielC: no. | 02:41 |
DanielC | ok | 02:41 |
highvoltage | I work on the non-profit side- shuttleworth foundation. | 02:42 |
DanielC | FWIW I'm in Birmingham, UK :-) | 02:42 |
DanielC | 2 months ago I was in the USA | 02:42 |
JaneW | DanielC: cool | 02:42 |
DanielC | 3 years before I was in Canada | 02:42 |
highvoltage | but i'm jumping into edubuntu, and it's nice to be involved. i'll be doing more and more as i get things organised. | 02:42 |
DanielC | and 9 years before that I was in Venezuela. | 02:42 |
highvoltage | DanielC: what nationality are you? | 02:43 |
DanielC | I'm a dual citizen of Venezuela and Canada. | 02:43 |
DanielC | I'm special :-) | 02:43 |
JaneW | 2 months ago we were in London | 02:43 |
DanielC | JaneW: Meeting Mark? | 02:44 |
JaneW | DanielC: well meeting with him - we have met him before... | 02:44 |
DanielC | I've just been to London once. I liked it. | 02:44 |
DanielC | Yeah, that's what I meant, meeting with him. | 02:44 |
JaneW | I sort of liked it, but found it pretty dirty surprisingly | 02:44 |
DanielC | really? | 02:44 |
JaneW | DanielC: oic, well then yes... | 02:45 |
DanielC | I didn't notice it being particularly dirty. Certainly cleaner than Washington DC (where I was located before). | 02:45 |
highvoltage | JaneW: dirty? | 02:45 |
highvoltage | oh, London. :) | 02:46 |
JaneW | DanielC: see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSummitGallerys | 02:46 |
highvoltage | hehe...i thought you meant mark. | 02:46 |
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DanielC | he he | 02:46 |
DanielC | That would have been an interesting comment. | 02:46 |
JaneW | highvoltage: yes I meant London was dirty as in grimey and sooty - no other interpretations please! | 02:46 |
highvoltage | the station at westminster was *very* dirty | 02:46 |
highvoltage | it made me think of Bellville station. | 02:46 |
JaneW | ppl complain about SA being dirty but it's not | 02:47 |
JaneW | we wash our roads! | 02:47 |
DanielC | what's SA? | 02:47 |
highvoltage | South Africa | 02:47 |
DanielC | I thought you were in the states? | 02:47 |
highvoltage | nope, we're in south africa. | 02:47 |
DanielC | ok | 02:48 |
highvoltage | we're too cool for the states. | 02:48 |
DanielC | :-) | 02:48 |
DanielC | that's a good man... | 02:48 |
DanielC | I am too. That's why I left... :-) | 02:48 |
JaneW | hehe | 02:48 |
JaneW | DanielC: so you're a yank? | 02:48 |
DanielC | Are most employees in SA? | 02:48 |
JaneW | *run* | 02:49 |
DanielC | argh! | 02:49 |
JaneW | DanielC: nope | 02:49 |
highvoltage | DanielC: spread across the world! | 02:49 |
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highvoltage | bye! | 02:49 |
DanielC | No, I'm not a yank. | 02:49 |
JaneW | DanielC: there are 5 Canonical employees in SA the rest are ALL over the world | 02:49 |
DanielC | that's very cool. | 02:49 |
highvoltage | JaneW: 5? | 02:49 |
JaneW | Australia, USA, CAnada, UK, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Lithuania you name it... | 02:49 |
JaneW | highvoltage: marilize, charles, morgan, eilise, adi and I | 02:50 |
JaneW | 6 | 02:50 |
DanielC | Interesting. | 02:50 |
JaneW | but elise is not full time | 02:50 |
DanielC | It's a lot more spread out than most companies. | 02:50 |
DanielC | So you talk mostly by email and IRC then? | 02:50 |
JaneW | DanielC: there are obviously many more pple working for Mark in SA for HBD and TSF etc | 02:50 |
JaneW | DanielC: yes, IRC, e-mail and wikis | 02:51 |
DanielC | What's HBD? | 02:51 |
JaneW | DanielC: and we get together 2/3 times a year | 02:51 |
DanielC | TSF == The Shuttleworth Foundation ? | 02:51 |
JaneW | Here Be Dragons www.hbd.com | 02:51 |
JaneW | yes | 02:51 |
DanielC | So you get free trips around the world? | 02:51 |
DanielC | re HBD: Ok, I see. | 02:52 |
DanielC | The Edubuntu summit looks like it was fun. | 02:55 |
JaneW | DanielC: well yes the company sponsors us to attend INSTENSIVE work weeks (7-12 days) | 02:55 |
DanielC | So, the idea is that all the employees from around the world get together to work for 7-12 days? | 02:56 |
JaneW | I found the hair article | 02:56 |
JaneW | http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=vn20050209102227763C337661 | 02:56 |
DanielC | ok | 02:57 |
DanielC | It sounds like working for Canonical should be an interesting experience. | 02:59 |
JaneW | DanielC: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero | 02:59 |
JaneW | that's the next Dev Summit | 02:59 |
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JaneW | DanielC: interesting it is | 02:59 |
DanielC | So, you get to travel a lot it seems. That's very neat. | 03:00 |
DanielC | I'm lucky to be employed at an open source company. It's a small business, but I get to work on FOSS all day. | 03:00 |
JaneW | the travelling's cool - I just kind of wish it was 10 years ago | 03:02 |
JaneW | (for me) | 03:02 |
DanielC | :-) | 03:02 |
JaneW | would have been much more fun (and free spirited) | 03:02 |
DanielC | 31 is not a bad age to travel at. | 03:02 |
JaneW | DanielC: agreed, but married, kids, cars, mortgage etc makes things less flexible | 03:03 |
DanielC | I'm not far from your age, and I love travelling. | 03:03 |
DanielC | ah | 03:03 |
JaneW | so much more co-ordination involved | 03:03 |
DanielC | Yeah... I see. | 03:03 |
DanielC | I'm still single, so I can still move about with minimal coordination. | 03:04 |
JaneW | right | 03:04 |
DanielC | well, I'm glad you are doing something interesting. | 03:05 |
DanielC | that's what makes life fun to live :) | 03:05 |
JaneW | yes | 03:08 |
DanielC | Is ogra still having ISDN problems? | 03:22 |
DanielC | I'm stuck with a problem. I can't login from the thin client. I sent an email to the mailing list, but haven't had a response. | 03:23 |
JaneW | ogra has responded go look | 03:26 |
DanielC | ok, thanks | 03:26 |
JaneW | I have a feeling ogra is knuckling down to work and so is staying off line for a bit | 03:27 |
DanielC | "knuckling down to work" ? What does that mean? | 03:27 |
JaneW | 'nose to the grind stone' 'back to the salk mines' | 03:28 |
JaneW | salt I mean | 03:28 |
DanielC | ok, thanks. | 03:28 |
JaneW | 'getting stuck in' | 03:28 |
JaneW | got it? | 03:28 |
DanielC | I'm still confused by some expressions :-) Yes, I got it now. | 03:29 |
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JaneW | hi jsgotangco , been to the pub again? | 03:43 |
JaneW | being Friday and all ;) | 03:43 |
jsgotangco | lol no | 03:43 |
jsgotangco | no more budget for the week | 03:43 |
jsgotangco | heh | 03:43 |
jsgotangco | im just going to spend the night trying to figure out my schedule and life | 03:43 |
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smykes | will alexandria be included in edubuntu? | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | im not sure | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | let me check | 03:45 |
smykes | I didnt see it on the list | 03:45 |
smykes | and Im trying to get it running on my classroom ubuntu box | 03:45 |
smykes | but it just sits there when I try and search | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | smykes: if its the Universe repository, you can just download it | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | the listing means that it has passed QA and security checks | 03:46 |
jsgotangco | to be included in Main | 03:46 |
jsgotangco | other than that, it is probably in Universe | 03:46 |
smykes | it seems I have the latest version | 03:47 |
smykes | its just kind of odd | 03:47 |
jsgotangco | because? | 03:48 |
smykes | it opens | 03:48 |
smykes | it just wont search | 03:48 |
jsgotangco | smykes: where did you get it | 03:48 |
smykes | sudo apt-get install alexandria | 03:48 |
DanielC | JaneW: Do Canonical employees often answer questions over the weekend? Ogra's suggestion worked, btw. I can login from the text terminal. So now I'll start trying to fix the graphical login. | 03:48 |
jsgotangco | DanielC: sure if they're online | 03:49 |
jsgotangco | (its not like it has an office anyways) | 03:49 |
JaneW | DanielC: there's generally always folk around on the week end | 03:49 |
DanielC | Ok, thanks. Good to know. | 03:49 |
JaneW | luck of the draw though | 03:49 |
jsgotangco | smykes: oh its in Universe, if you encounter a problem, file a bug in launchpad.ubuntu.com | 03:50 |
jsgotangco | smykes: via Malone | 03:50 |
smykes | if I cant get alexandria working can you sugges another database app like filemaker or acces | 03:50 |
smykes | only better then access | 03:50 |
jsgotangco | im not sure ogra will be over here the weekend either... | 03:50 |
jsgotangco | smykes: breezy will have OOo 2 with a database application similar to access | 03:51 |
jsgotangco | its actually good | 03:51 |
smykes | is that open office? | 03:51 |
jsgotangco | yes | 03:51 |
jsgotangco | OOo Base | 03:52 |
smykes | what would I apt get for that | 03:52 |
smykes | what name | 03:52 |
jsgotangco | are you in Hoary? | 03:52 |
smykes | I believe so yes | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | (i wouldn't recommend it in Ubuntu 5.04) | 03:53 |
smykes | whats the command line for os version | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | uname -a | 03:54 |
jsgotangco | put it and i'll see what you're using | 03:54 |
smykes | Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Thu Aug 18 22:23:56 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux | 03:54 |
jsgotangco | you're in Hoary | 03:54 |
smykes | ok | 03:54 |
smykes | two more questions sorry | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | sure (im not doing anything actually) | 03:55 |
smykes | the database thing, I need to do inventory of all my instruments in the room | 03:55 |
smykes | recomendations | 03:55 |
smykes | and a content filter because sometimes students get on this machine | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | inventory hmmm | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | your linux skill level? | 03:56 |
smykes | Im an OS X user | 03:56 |
smykes | so low | 03:56 |
smykes | ;) | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | i see hmmm | 03:56 |
smykes | I know enough to be dangerous | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | im a filemaker user myself... | 03:56 |
smykes | oh yeah I know filemaker | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | i can only say OOo Base for a desktop database | 03:56 |
smykes | but it costs money | 03:57 |
smykes | this is a public school ;) | 03:57 |
jsgotangco | there are loads of free software out there for inventory but it may require some skill.... | 03:57 |
smykes | yeah | 03:57 |
smykes | just looking for something with a frontend | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | im sorry i really can't say... | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | i'm so biased with OOo base :) | 03:58 |
smykes | heh | 03:58 |
smykes | what about content filtering? | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | content like adult sites, etc.? | 03:58 |
smykes | pretty much | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | there's squidguard...BUT | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | there's always the BUT | 03:59 |
smykes | oh theres always a but | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | Edubuntu should address those things soon | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | as for a stable desktop database, I'd wait at least 2 months :) | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | because OOo Base 2 is really good | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | you can actually download it for hoary but its horribly slow | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | the GCC 4 transition did wonders on it | 04:00 |
smykes | I have to say I love Ubuntu | 04:01 |
smykes | its great | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | smykes: Edubuntu however is a server environment | 04:02 |
smykes | but the release date for edubuntu, I know it coincide with ubuntu, causes some problems for educators, summers is when we learn things | 04:02 |
jsgotangco | ahhh | 04:02 |
smykes | im not saying that to put it down at all | 04:02 |
smykes | because its great | 04:02 |
smykes | its just once school starts up, time becomes less and less available | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | smykes: i hope you don't get disappointed with the initial release, our goals were minimal but we intend to grow with it | 04:04 |
smykes | oh I know I wont be disapointed | 04:05 |
smykes | and what you are doing is great | 04:05 |
smykes | the timing, which isnt your fault, is just two or thee months off | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | perhaps we can consider that next time | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | we just coincide with ubuntu/kubuntu naturally | 04:05 |
smykes | yeah I know | 04:05 |
smykes | thats why im saying its not your fault | 04:05 |
smykes | im going to try this bumblebe app | 04:07 |
smykes | if I can get it running | 04:07 |
smykes | something about GladeXML.pm | 04:07 |
jsgotangco | smykes: brb i have a meeting with the docteam in #ubuntu-meeting feel free to come if you want | 04:08 |
smykes | thanks | 04:09 |
smykes | for your help | 04:09 |
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DanielC | I think I've located the problem. The thin client is mounting the file system as read-only. | 04:38 |
DanielC | That's why other things are breaking. | 04:39 |
DanielC | For example, when you login through the GUI, X will write a few files to your home directory, and if it can't it'll log you out. I've seen this before. | 04:39 |
DanielC | Does anyone know how to make the clients mount the file system read-write ? | 04:40 |
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jsgotangco | he ogra any success with your dsl? | 04:43 |
ogra | seems to work agaon :) | 04:43 |
ogra | again | 04:44 |
DanielC | ogra: thanks for the help. | 04:48 |
ogra | youre welcome :) | 04:48 |
DanielC | ogra: I can login from a tty now. I experimented a bit and it turns out that the problem is that the client is mounting the file system as read-only. | 04:48 |
DanielC | Very strange. | 04:49 |
ogra | no thats ok | 04:49 |
DanielC | it is? | 04:49 |
ogra | (if you mean the local filesystem on the client) | 04:49 |
DanielC | But you can't write any files... | 04:50 |
ogra | the login manager then opens a ssh tunneled X session | 04:50 |
DanielC | Ok, then the problem must be on the ssh tunnel. I'll check the logs, one sec... | 04:50 |
ogra | you can, via the chroot command on the server.... what you have on the client is /opt/ltsp/i386 ;) | 04:50 |
DanielC | "Could not create directory '/root/.ssh'" | 04:54 |
DanielC | The other lines in the log didn't look like errors. | 04:54 |
JaneW | DanielC: you are awarded one of my 'Virtual Gold Star's (TM) for being the most tenacious tester we have... | 04:55 |
JaneW | well done | 04:55 |
DanielC | :-) | 04:55 |
DanielC | Thanks. | 04:55 |
DanielC | ogra: I don't understand most of the log, so I don't know what's relevant and what's not... | 04:58 |
DanielC | Okay, I just sent the log to the list. | 05:16 |
jsgotangco | JaneW: bah | 05:16 |
jsgotangco | you award someone with a star while we toil with your whip | 05:16 |
DanielC | :-) | 05:17 |
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DanielC | jsgotangco: I take it you work for Canonical? | 05:20 |
jsgotangco | no | 05:21 |
DanielC | ok | 05:21 |
jsgotangco | i have met them though | 05:21 |
DanielC | ok | 05:22 |
DanielC | are you developer then? | 05:22 |
jsgotangco | sort of | 05:23 |
DanielC | :-) | 05:23 |
jsgotangco | i was part of the original Edubuntu spec writers | 05:23 |
DanielC | cool | 05:23 |
DanielC | do you have experience in education? | 05:23 |
jsgotangco | no its my interest though | 05:23 |
DanielC | ok | 05:24 |
DanielC | that still works :-) | 05:24 |
jsgotangco | i don't know why exactly..probably its because i already have a child | 05:24 |
DanielC | are you a volunteer? | 05:25 |
jsgotangco | yes | 05:25 |
jsgotangco | i didnt get that much quality education either but i can say i have fared well... | 05:26 |
DanielC | I'm interested in education :-) | 05:27 |
DanielC | It's certainly an important area to work on. | 05:27 |
jsgotangco | well yes, in my home country, we don't even have that much labs in public schools | 05:27 |
jsgotangco | or a computer even (sad) | 05:27 |
DanielC | which one is your home country? | 05:28 |
jsgotangco | Philippines | 05:28 |
DanielC | ok | 05:28 |
DanielC | I grew up in Venezuela, so I'm familiar with the idea of schools with no resources. | 05:29 |
jsgotangco | yeah its sad really | 05:29 |
DanielC | Though I was lucky enough to go to a private school, I know that most of my contemporaries weren't as lucky. | 05:29 |
jsgotangco | i was in my hometown this morning and nothing really changed in my old school | 05:29 |
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jsgotangco | night | 07:13 |
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DanielC | ogra rocks | 08:55 |
DanielC | :-) | 08:55 |
ogra | heh, thanks :) | 08:56 |
DanielC | Will I have to update the ssh keys often? | 08:56 |
ogra | nope, only if you change the ip | 08:56 |
ogra | (or name if DNS in your localnet is working) | 08:56 |
DanielC | ok | 08:57 |
DanielC | We want to deploy this at a local school. They are aware that this is a bit of an experiment. Our deal with them is that they only pay for hardware and they allow us to use their school to learn how to setup thin clients. | 08:58 |
DanielC | But of course I want to make the experience positive for them. I want them to like Linux :-) | 08:58 |
ogra | :) | 08:58 |
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