=== fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.13.122] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=andreas@mrbg-d9b95993.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === TheRondom [n=andreas@mrbg-d9b9546e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === TheRondom is now known as Rondom === PoetaVampiro [n=luis@81.84.154.247] has joined #edubuntu [02:33] hi! [02:33] I'm quite interested in udubuntu [02:35] i will be teatching computers to first graders this season, kids with 5-10 years [02:36] where can i get a list describing the software that will come on the cd? [02:36] not the packets names, the desctiption, please [02:37] is there anyone here? [02:37] also i would like to talk to someone for advice on how to teach linux to kids [02:37] (litlle kids) [02:39] does anyone here teaches children? [02:39] hello [02:39] hi rondom [02:39] www.edubuntu.org is a good start [02:40] i've been there already [02:40] edubuntu isn't finished yet [02:40] I know [02:40] I'm not an expert, I'm not involved in development, I'm only interested in the development [02:40] Rondom, are u a teacher? [02:41] no an a-level-student [02:41] what is a-level? [02:41] (sorry, I'm portuguese) [02:42] acutally I'm not an a-level-student, a-levels are the equivalent in the english school-system [02:42] a-levels grant you to go to university [02:42] in Germany we call it "Abitur" [02:42] I'm currently using ubuntu, and I thought that it would be nice to teach linux to the kids, because windows, they already will learn everywhere [02:43] 5-10 is your target-group? [02:43] gcompris is nice [02:43] yes [02:43] it's a set of educational programs for kids [02:43] where can I find a description? [02:44] Klettres helps learning the alphabet, but I'm not shure if there's a protugues version for the language output [02:45] i think i found it :-) on google [02:45] will it work on gnome? [02:45] http://www.ofset.org/gcompris/ [02:45] yes [02:45] I have it installed and I tried it already :-) [02:46] klettres also works on gnome [02:46] will it show on synaptics? [02:46] yes [02:46] great [02:47] I've just checked === ioio24 [i=io@200.41.21.186] has joined #edubuntu [02:47] theere's also portugues language output, install gcompris-sound-pt and you'll hear portugues lettres [02:47] hello! Anyone had try to install Oracle Database over Ubuntu? [02:50] i'm already installing it [02:50] it has a ui suited for children [02:51] the only disadvantag is IMO that there isn't enough voice-output [02:51] PoetaVampiro: Do you install the "Oracle 9i Lite" version? [02:51] but there are pictures everywhere [02:51] so you don't have to read [02:53] nope ioio [02:53] Personal? Database? What version? [02:54] ok Rondom [02:54] thanks a lot for that [02:54] ups sorry.. im confuse with your conversation... [02:54] bye === pax [n=pax@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] [03:36] Rondom nice games :-) [03:36] some of them are not well translated [03:37] but they are very nice [03:37] :-) [03:41] the package kdeedu also contains some other edu-games, but most of them are for older pupils [03:41] it contains als education-related apps [03:42] including KEduca, a app for creating tests [03:47] it would be nice to put some online games on the site itself [03:47] i plan to let the kids use the internet a lot [03:49] since most of the applications i use, are integrated on firefox, why not let the kids explore the same philosophy? [03:51] if they can find sites where they can use software without having to pay, and most of the times, simpler to use then large company made programs, why not? :-) [03:56] we should have some kind of 'open flash' tool with better quality than the original one :-D in that way there would be thousands of games for kids [04:00] on the other hand, the objective is that they learn some stuff they probably wouldn't without guidance [04:02] and in that way, i was impressed by gcompris [04:04] because most of the activities is oriented to an objective [04:05] I have to try this with my 2 kids [04:14] !lilo:*! 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NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting === Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Aug 24 15:41:30 2005 === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-21.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu === rayde [n=rayde@vs217.das.psu.edu] has joined #edubuntu === pere_poff [i=foobar@diskless.uio.no] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@antiochus.ipm.ucl.ac.be] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.20.2] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:01] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else [08:01] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY === pere_poff [i=foobar@diskless.uio.no] has joined #edubuntu === rayde [n=rayde@vs217.das.psu.edu] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #edubuntu === poningru [n=poningru@128.227.82.21] has joined #edubuntu === ball [n=ball@dialup-4.252.207.61.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-155-105.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:35] hello JaneW === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:35] hi ball :) [08:35] hello jsgotangco [08:36] hello jsgotangco [08:37] something is wrong with X [08:37] heh [08:37] hmm [08:37] hmm [08:37] or just firefox [08:38] my mouse pointer won't respond lol [08:38] i'll brb first === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:40] hehehe it wasnt working [08:40] dohh [08:40] hi all (btw) [08:41] oh no! [08:41] the dreaded X [08:42] JaneW, it works i probably messed up something [08:43] i was testing the daily build [08:44] hmm i still got hit by #14007 === highvoltage feels sleepy [08:45] oh yes, morning too, btw ;) [08:46] morning highvoltage [08:47] hi jsgotangco [08:47] jsgotangco: you've got one of the most complicated nicks i've seen. i have to think each time i type it :) [08:47] oh [08:47] sorry about that [08:48] my surname is indeed complicated [08:48] i wanted to change it before but people people keep asking who the hell am i [08:48] if its easier for you just say "just got tangoed" [08:49] jsgotangco: do they still have that big orange geezer? [08:49] ball, ? [08:49] jsgotangco: It was an old Tango ad that used that catchphrase [08:50] oh yeah i remember that [08:50] heh [08:50] (Tango was a British soda) [08:50] yes yes [08:50] i think they still do === jyap [n=james@202.133.219.26] has joined #edubuntu [08:50] hello jyap [08:50] hi ball [08:50] whats up ball? [08:51] Not much, just thinking about going to bed. === jsg_ltsp [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:51] Hello jsg_ltsp [08:51] there it goes [08:51] hi JaneW [08:51] :) [08:52] he its just me in the client [08:53] hmm its quite fast even in a small switch [08:54] small switch? [08:55] i have a pocket switch here just 4 ports [08:55] 100baseTX switch? [08:56] yeah [09:00] 0825 build is actually good [09:03] Oh dear, it's time that I was in bed [09:03] Goodnight all. === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:05] this laptop is making me furious... === JaneW has totally given up on wireless now and resorted to old fashioned (yet reliable) ethernet [10:27] hmmm [10:36] where's ogra again? [10:37] more line trouble for him too? [10:40] he left us... [10:40] and gave all the remaining work to you.. [10:41] YAY :) === JaneW slits wrists [10:41] so we will wait your upcoming packages === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW heads off to post office, with ticking package underarm... === jsgotangco hopes its not for him [10:58] did I mention it's a MANILLA envelope....? [11:00] its only 1 L [11:11] sorry [11:11] my lack of spelling skills is surpassed only by my lack of typing skills [11:11] although I seems to do 43 wpm consistently... how good/bad is that? [11:11] seem [11:12] JaneW, I can do 72 [11:13] no way! [11:13] I had typing classes during HS and college === JaneW feels so inadequate now [11:13] and I still look at my hands most of the time [11:13] with huge IBM and Olympia typewriters === JaneW learned on IRC in 1994/1995 [11:13] I could probably excel as a transcription professional [11:14] and just forget about Linux haha [11:14] I use 6 fingers... I am now aware of using more than that, but I am typing thing now to check, NOPE IT;S 8 [11:14] if you were trained to touch type, its quite easy [11:14] although i can only do it in a US keyboard [11:14] It's just the little fingers tha get ignored, the ring fingers do shift and enter ;) [11:15] typing was seen as lame at school [11:15] it also helps if i use a full size keyboard instead of a laptop keyboard [11:15] and only the 'stupid' kids did it [11:15] if only we knew... [11:15] eh? [11:15] it was one of the only subjects teaching a skill you could actually use! [11:15] aaa ;;; sss lll [11:15] asdf jkl; [11:15] hehe [11:15] have you heard of the game typer shark for windows [11:16] its actually much more exciting than mavis beacon === jsgotangco begins to think if there are any typing tutorial apps in linux [11:17] i also bought "typing of the dead" [11:20] in our school it was only taken by kids who had dropped 'real' subjects like maths, accountancy etc, and needed something 'easy' to fill the gap [11:20] what can I say it was an academic (read elitist) school [11:20] now I know that was far from the truth and those who took typing have a distinct advantage [11:21] eh? [11:21] i also took accounting [11:21] never had that much use of it [11:22] JaneW, have you heard of typing of the dead === pere_poff is now known as pere === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [11:28] Hello. I'm making progress, albeit very slowly. [11:29] My thin client boots now, but I can't login. [11:29] jsgotangco: huh? [11:29] This is strange. I can't login even from a tty. [11:29] DanielC: good to hear - glad mdz was able to help you.. [11:29] I get a "Login incorrect" message. [11:29] JaneW: Yeah... :) [11:30] DanielC: it's a pitty Ogra is not here again [11:30] Still having ISDN problems? [11:30] JaneW, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A//www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/&ei=MeEOQ9jAMJOWswG40r2kCg [11:30] oopps [11:31] http://www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/ rather [11:37] jsgotangco: looks like fun [11:46] If I my ask, what is ogra's and mdz' role in Edubuntu? I noticed that someone on the list deferred to mdz... Just trying to learn who is who :-) [11:46] if I *may* ask... :-) === BeerDump [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === BeerDump is now known as jsgotangco === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:53] what's up with my link....? [01:53] must be the gale force wind and rain. [02:03] DanielC: ping [02:04] JaneW: pong [02:04] hi [02:04] DanielC: hi, did your question get answered earlier? [02:04] re ogra and mdz? [02:04] No, I didn't. [02:04] ok, well I can shed some light [02:05] :-) [02:05] mdz is Canonical's CTO [02:05] chief technical officer === DanielC was about to ask :-) [02:05] so he is in charge of everything we release [02:05] and gets to decide what's in and what's out etc [02:05] and approves decisions and delays etc [02:05] we all report to him [02:06] So the CTO is answering support questions on the list? [02:06] ogra is the developement lead for edubuntu [02:06] our CTO is very involved yes ;) [02:06] cool [02:06] you don't see that often... [02:06] and VERY knowledgable too [02:06] :-) [02:07] the fact that he wrote (and/or customised) the LTSP package played a role in him responding in this case too [02:07] ah [02:07] If I may ask, what do you do? [02:07] what's your area? [02:08] I am a project manager [02:09] so I am trying to co-ordinate all the bits of edubuntu [02:09] and hopefully they'll all tie up nicely as we reach the launch date [02:09] What's the difference between a project manager and a lead? [02:09] it's about having lots of responsibility, but not very much control ;) [02:09] :-) [02:09] a PM watches the 'triple constraint' === DanielC wonders what that is... [02:10] Time, Cost/Budget, Quality [02:10] ah [02:10] changing one always affects the others [02:10] I only started with Canonical in April, so am new to this world [02:10] Ok. Running a project is a balancing act, and your job is to find a good balance. [02:11] I was working main-stream before, so this is quite different [02:11] nod [02:11] Do you like it so far? [02:11] yes, but I still don;t understand everything [02:11] I am loving using Ubuntu [02:11] until I decided to d/l and install a program [02:11] new experiences is what makes life interesting :-) [02:11] and then I fnd I don't know what to do [02:12] it's all so very different [02:12] It's certainly different. [02:12] I like the way installation works on Ubuntu/Debian better, but it's very different from other environments. [02:12] Do you know how to install software now? [02:13] I like to think I represent a large portion of the target market [02:13] so if it;s made so I can understand and handle it, many people will [02:13] (I am an above average windows user, and do have some AIX exeperience too) [02:13] well I tired to install freemind, but I had a conflict so I eventually gave up [02:13] Sounds like a good POV. [02:14] I also installed flash and that caused havoc so I had to remove it again... [02:14] :( [02:14] yep, so no funky flash sites for me... [02:15] Are you running Hoary? [02:15] yes [02:15] I see that freemind is not in the archives :( [02:15] I guess that explains why it's hard. [02:15] I have Breezy (installed beg July) but it has no sound...? [02:16] so I mostly stick with hoary [02:16] Installing from the archives is easy. Installing something that's not on the archives might be anywhere from easy to impossible. [02:17] I got flash installed by following the instructions on ubuntuguide.org [02:18] I think it's well written. The steps are clear and unambiguous. [02:18] At least, I thought so... then again, I'm used to Linux. [02:18] I've been using it for 7 years. [02:18] cool [02:19] I installed the default from a web page first (mistake) [02:19] then I installed from inside ubuntu - easy [02:19] :-) [02:19] but it still didn;t work [02:19] oh [02:19] or at least it did, the falsh part was fine, but it made ff unstable and if I tried to edit a wiki all ff wondows would crash [02:20] I need to edit wikis, so I had to uninstall [02:20] That's surprising... [02:20] and bad. [02:20] yep [02:20] A broken flash shouldn't kill ff. [02:22] Well, thank you for the introductions. [02:22] np :) [02:22] i wish i could know as much as mdz or ogra. [02:22] I'm impressed that the people in charge are so easy to reach. That's very cool. [02:23] oh sorry, i'm replying to old messages PgDn... [02:23] i'm sure when I'm as old as they are I will though :) === highvoltage ducks [02:23] :-) [02:24] highvoltage: how old are you? [02:25] 23 [02:25] quite old myself, now that i think of it. [02:25] prime of your youth :-) [02:25] I'm a geezer. I'm 26 :-) [02:25] hehe. [02:26] i think prime was at about 8, from there it was just downhill [02:26] I think 18-24 is are the prime years. [02:27] did you know, that when you're about 10, your hearing starts to weaken? [02:27] no, I didn't. [02:27] That's interesting. [02:27] -lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Server Notice] Hi. The server you're on, calvino.freenode.net, is about to be restarted. Please bear with us, and reconnect to irc.freenode.net if your client doesn't do so automatically. Thanks! [02:28] yes, it is. a friend of mine has a philosophy, that if you never drink, smoke, etc. you might just die healthy. [02:28] When you're 18, your sex drive starts decreasing [02:28] When you're 30, you start getting shorter [02:29] mpt: Is that true? about the sex drive? [02:29] not sure :-) [02:29] i think i'm genetically younger than other people my age. [02:30] perhaps because i don't drink or smoke much. [02:30] I don't drink and smoke at all. [02:30] I think that just means I'm smarter than most people. :-) [02:30] Okay, I'll have a glass of wine now and again... [02:30] ah, yes, it is true DanielC [02:30] DanielC: most people who don't, do think they're smarter ;) [02:31] http://straightdope.com/classics/a2_208.html [02:31] smoking is particularly dumb. [02:31] so, how do we fit all these life lessons into edubuntu? [02:31] you spend all this money on something that tastes bad and hurts your lungs. [02:31] :) [02:31] This is an educational discussion :-) [02:31] Alcohol is different because some types actually taste good, and moderate quantities actually improve your health. [02:32] we should have splash screens "smoking causes cancer", "don't smoke around children", before they know it, the entire school will be smoking :) [02:32] :-) === IRCD=dancer CAPAB CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=bdeIq,k,lfJD,cgijLmnPQrRstz CHANLIMIT=#:20 PREFIX=(ov)@+ MAXLIST=bdeI:50 MODES=4 STATUSMSG=@ KNOCK NICKLEN=16 :are supported by this server === SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 are supported by this server [02:32] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else [02:32] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY === ubuntulog [n=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting === Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Aug 24 15:41:30 2005 [02:32] (mpt/#edubuntu) "don't drink" [02:33] "be nice to your teachers" [02:33] DanielC: even sabdfl hangs around in #ubunut-devel and talk to people directly [02:33] it's literally and open company ;) [02:33] highvoltage: so do I! [02:33] s/and/an [02:33] sorry more typos than usual - I am trying to eat lunch and read something ;) [02:33] JaneW: Who is sabdfl ? [02:34] self appointed benevolent dictator for life. [02:34] aka Mark Shuttleworth [02:34] Mark? [02:34] :-) [02:34] cool [02:34] aka founder of Canonical/Ubuntu [02:34] aka space traveler [02:34] I hear Mark's a cool guy. [02:34] aka founder of shuttleworth foundation [02:34] etc :) [02:34] My employer met him last week to talk about education. [02:35] well, if it wasn't for his hairstyle... but that's contraversial [02:35] :-) [02:35] in south africa, two newspapers even had articles about the various bad hairstyles he's had before :) [02:36] he he [02:36] been lagged but technically niether 18 nor 24 are 'prime [02:36] ' === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:36] JaneW: what's the prime then? :-) [02:36] damn. and there i though i had something to look forward to for next year. [02:36] DanielC: i think it's at 11% or something atm. [02:37] prime = divisible by itself and 1 only :P [02:37] he he [02:37] so who's lost their braincell now!? [02:37] ah, yes. [02:37] and I'll a cretin of 31 [02:37] ok, so i'm at prime atm :) === JaneW too [02:38] :-) [02:38] actually i like the even numbered ages better. [02:38] (or at least so far) === DanielC is an even numbered age :-) [02:38] every odd year, i take on too much and end up doing way too much work. on the even numbers, i relax a bit and enjoy life. [02:38] oh and yes Mark is a cool guy [02:39] (except for the hair) [02:39] highvoltage: really? [02:39] JaneW: i'm quite sure the entire 12 plein street is in agreement about that? or are you objecting? [02:39] JaneW: Do you meet often? I know he's in London. And Canonical is supposed to be based in South Africa. [02:39] JaneW: i'll find you those newspaper articles, kim still has them :) [02:39] DanielC: no it's not. [02:40] Canonical is based in Isle of Man [02:40] Mark is in London [02:40] I am in SA [02:40] as is highvoltage === highvoltage too [02:40] Isle of Man? That's news to me. [02:40] ogra is ain Germany [02:40] DanielC: they say so on the ubuntu site, and on distrowatch [02:40] DanielC: it's well documented everywhere :) [02:40] DanielC: it was even on slashdot a few weeks ago. === DanielC doesn't venture through Distrowatch often. === DanielC doesn't do /. [02:41] what do you do? AOL time warner? [02:41] highvoltage: I take it that you work for Canonical too then? [02:41] ;) [02:41] DanielC: no. [02:41] ok [02:42] I work on the non-profit side- shuttleworth foundation. [02:42] FWIW I'm in Birmingham, UK :-) [02:42] 2 months ago I was in the USA [02:42] DanielC: cool [02:42] 3 years before I was in Canada [02:42] but i'm jumping into edubuntu, and it's nice to be involved. i'll be doing more and more as i get things organised. [02:42] and 9 years before that I was in Venezuela. [02:43] DanielC: what nationality are you? [02:43] I'm a dual citizen of Venezuela and Canada. [02:43] I'm special :-) [02:43] 2 months ago we were in London [02:44] JaneW: Meeting Mark? [02:44] DanielC: well meeting with him - we have met him before... [02:44] I've just been to London once. I liked it. [02:44] Yeah, that's what I meant, meeting with him. [02:44] I sort of liked it, but found it pretty dirty surprisingly [02:44] really? [02:45] DanielC: oic, well then yes... [02:45] I didn't notice it being particularly dirty. Certainly cleaner than Washington DC (where I was located before). [02:45] JaneW: dirty? [02:46] oh, London. :) [02:46] DanielC: see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSummitGallerys [02:46] hehe...i thought you meant mark. === DanielC clicks [02:46] he he [02:46] That would have been an interesting comment. [02:46] highvoltage: yes I meant London was dirty as in grimey and sooty - no other interpretations please! [02:46] the station at westminster was *very* dirty [02:46] it made me think of Bellville station. [02:47] ppl complain about SA being dirty but it's not [02:47] we wash our roads! [02:47] what's SA? [02:47] South Africa [02:47] I thought you were in the states? [02:47] nope, we're in south africa. [02:48] ok [02:48] we're too cool for the states. [02:48] :-) [02:48]