[02:33] <PoetaVampiro> hi!
[02:33] <PoetaVampiro> I'm quite interested in udubuntu
[02:35] <PoetaVampiro> i will be teatching computers to first graders this season, kids with 5-10 years
[02:36] <PoetaVampiro> where can i get a list describing the software that will come on the cd?
[02:36] <PoetaVampiro> not the packets names, the desctiption, please
[02:37] <PoetaVampiro> is there anyone here?
[02:37] <PoetaVampiro> also i would like to talk to someone for advice on how to teach linux to kids
[02:37] <PoetaVampiro> (litlle kids)
[02:39] <PoetaVampiro> does anyone here teaches children?
[02:39] <Rondom> hello
[02:39] <PoetaVampiro> hi rondom
[02:39] <Rondom> www.edubuntu.org is a good start
[02:40] <PoetaVampiro> i've been there already
[02:40] <Rondom> edubuntu isn't finished yet
[02:40] <PoetaVampiro> I know
[02:40] <Rondom> I'm not an expert, I'm not involved in development, I'm only interested in the development
[02:40] <PoetaVampiro> Rondom, are u a teacher?
[02:41] <Rondom> no an a-level-student
[02:41] <PoetaVampiro> what is a-level? 
[02:41] <PoetaVampiro> (sorry, I'm portuguese)
[02:42] <Rondom> acutally I'm not an a-level-student, a-levels are the equivalent in the english school-system
[02:42] <Rondom> a-levels grant you to go to university
[02:42] <Rondom> in Germany we call it "Abitur"
[02:42] <PoetaVampiro> I'm currently using ubuntu, and I thought that it would be nice to teach linux to the kids, because windows, they already will learn everywhere
[02:43] <Rondom> 5-10 is your target-group?
[02:43] <Rondom> gcompris is nice
[02:43] <PoetaVampiro> yes
[02:43] <Rondom> it's a set of educational programs for kids
[02:43] <PoetaVampiro> where can I find a description?
[02:44] <Rondom> Klettres helps learning the alphabet, but I'm not shure if there's a protugues version for the language output
[02:45] <PoetaVampiro> i think i found it :-) on google
[02:45] <PoetaVampiro> will it work on gnome?
[02:45] <Rondom> http://www.ofset.org/gcompris/
[02:45] <Rondom> yes
[02:45] <Rondom> I have it installed and I tried it already :-)
[02:46] <Rondom> klettres also works on gnome
[02:46] <PoetaVampiro> will it show on synaptics?
[02:46] <Rondom> yes
[02:46] <PoetaVampiro> great
[02:47] <Rondom> I've just checked
[02:47] <Rondom> theere's also portugues language output, install gcompris-sound-pt and you'll hear portugues lettres
[02:47] <ioio24> hello! Anyone had try to install Oracle Database over Ubuntu?
[02:50] <PoetaVampiro> i'm already installing it
[02:50] <Rondom> it has a ui suited for children
[02:51] <Rondom> the only disadvantag is IMO that there isn't enough voice-output
[02:51] <ioio24> PoetaVampiro: Do you install the "Oracle 9i Lite" version?
[02:51] <Rondom> but there are pictures everywhere
[02:51] <Rondom> so you don't have to read
[02:53] <PoetaVampiro> nope ioio
[02:53] <ioio24> Personal? Database? What version?
[02:54] <PoetaVampiro> ok Rondom
[02:54] <PoetaVampiro> thanks a lot for that
[02:54] <ioio24> ups sorry.. im confuse with your conversation...
[02:54] <ioio24> bye
[03:36] <PoetaVampiro> Rondom nice games :-)
[03:36] <PoetaVampiro> some of them are not well translated
[03:37] <PoetaVampiro> but they are very nice
[03:37] <PoetaVampiro> :-)
[03:41] <Rondom> the package kdeedu also contains some other edu-games, but most of them are for older pupils
[03:41] <Rondom> it contains als education-related apps
[03:42] <Rondom> including KEduca, a app for creating tests
[03:47] <PoetaVampiro> it would be nice to put some online games on the site itself
[03:47] <PoetaVampiro> i  plan to let the kids use the internet a lot
[03:49] <PoetaVampiro> since most of the applications i use, are integrated on firefox, why not let the kids explore the same philosophy?
[03:51] <PoetaVampiro> if they can find sites where they can use software without having to pay, and most of the times, simpler to use then large company made programs, why not? :-)
[03:56] <PoetaVampiro> we should have some kind of 'open flash' tool with better quality than the original one :-D in that way there would be thousands of games for kids
[04:00] <PoetaVampiro> on the other hand, the objective is that they learn some stuff they probably wouldn't without guidance
[04:02] <PoetaVampiro> and in that way, i was impressed by gcompris
[04:04] <PoetaVampiro> because most of the activities is oriented to an objective
[04:05] <PoetaVampiro> I have to try this with my 2 kids
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[08:35] <ball> hello JaneW
[08:35] <JaneW> hi ball :)
[08:35] <JaneW> hello jsgotangco 
[08:36] <ball> hello jsgotangco
[08:37] <jsgotangco> something is wrong with X
[08:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:37] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:37] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:37] <jsgotangco> or just firefox
[08:38] <jsgotangco> my mouse pointer won't respond lol
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i'll brb first
[08:40] <jsgotangco> hehehe it wasnt working
[08:40] <jsgotangco> dohh
[08:40] <jsgotangco> hi all (btw)
[08:41] <JaneW> oh no!
[08:41] <JaneW> the dreaded X
[08:42] <jsgotangco> JaneW, it works i probably messed up something
[08:43] <jsgotangco> i was testing the daily build
[08:44] <jsgotangco> hmm i still got hit by #14007
[08:45] <highvoltage> oh yes, morning too, btw ;)
[08:46] <jsgotangco> morning highvoltage 
[08:47] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[08:47] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you've got one of the most complicated nicks i've seen. i have to think each time i type it :)
[08:47] <jsgotangco> oh
[08:47] <jsgotangco> sorry about that
[08:48] <jsgotangco> my surname is indeed complicated
[08:48] <jsgotangco> i wanted to change it before but people people keep asking who the hell am i
[08:48] <jsgotangco> if its easier for you just say "just got tangoed"
[08:49] <ball> jsgotangco: do they still have that big orange geezer?
[08:49] <jsgotangco> ball, ?
[08:49] <ball> jsgotangco: It was an old Tango ad that used that catchphrase
[08:50] <jsgotangco> oh yeah i remember that
[08:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:50] <ball> (Tango was a British soda)
[08:50] <jsgotangco> yes yes
[08:50] <jsgotangco> i think they  still do
[08:50] <ball> hello jyap
[08:50] <jyap> hi ball
[08:50] <jyap> whats up ball?
[08:51] <ball> Not much, just thinking about going to bed.
[08:51] <ball> Hello jsg_ltsp
[08:51] <jsg_ltsp> there it goes
[08:51] <jsg_ltsp> hi JaneW 
[08:51] <jsg_ltsp> :)
[08:52] <jsgotangco> he its just me in the client
[08:53] <jsg_ltsp> hmm its quite fast even in a small switch
[08:54] <ball> small switch?
[08:55] <jsgotangco> i have a pocket switch here just 4 ports
[08:55] <ball> 100baseTX switch?
[08:56] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:00] <jsgotangco> 0825 build is actually good
[09:03] <ball> Oh dear, it's time that I was in bed
[09:03] <ball> Goodnight all.
[09:05] <JaneW> this laptop is making me furious...
[10:27] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:36] <JaneW> where's ogra again?
[10:37] <JaneW> more line trouble for him too?
[10:40] <jsgotangco> he left us...
[10:40] <jsgotangco> and gave all the remaining work to you..
[10:41] <JaneW> YAY :)
[10:41] <jsgotangco> so we will wait your upcoming packages
[10:58] <JaneW> did I mention it's a MANILLA envelope....?
[11:00] <jsgotangco> its only 1 L
[11:11] <JaneW> sorry
[11:11] <JaneW> my lack of spelling skills is surpassed only by my lack of typing skills
[11:11] <JaneW> although I seems to do 43 wpm consistently... how good/bad is that?
[11:11] <JaneW> seem
[11:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, I can do 72
[11:13] <JaneW> no way!
[11:13] <jsgotangco> I had typing classes during HS and college
[11:13] <JaneW> and I still look at my hands most of the time
[11:13] <jsgotangco> with huge IBM and Olympia typewriters
[11:13] <jsgotangco> I could probably excel as a transcription professional
[11:14] <jsgotangco> and just forget about Linux haha
[11:14] <JaneW> I use 6 fingers... I am now aware of using more than that, but I am typing thing now to check, NOPE IT;S 8
[11:14] <jsgotangco> if you were trained to touch type, its quite easy
[11:14] <jsgotangco> although i can only do it in a US keyboard
[11:14] <JaneW> It's just the little fingers tha get ignored, the ring fingers do shift and enter ;)
[11:15] <JaneW> typing was seen as lame at school
[11:15] <jsgotangco> it also helps if i use a full size keyboard instead of a laptop keyboard
[11:15] <JaneW> and only the 'stupid' kids did it
[11:15] <JaneW> if only we knew...
[11:15] <jsgotangco> eh?
[11:15] <JaneW> it was one of the only subjects teaching a skill you could actually use!
[11:15] <jsgotangco> aaa ;;; sss lll
[11:15] <jsgotangco> asdf jkl;
[11:15] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:15] <jsgotangco> have you heard of the game typer shark for windows
[11:16] <jsgotangco> its actually much more exciting than mavis beacon
[11:17] <jsgotangco> i also bought "typing of the dead"
[11:20] <JaneW> in our school it was only taken by kids who had dropped 'real' subjects like maths, accountancy etc, and needed something 'easy' to fill the gap
[11:20] <JaneW> what can I say it was an academic (read elitist) school
[11:20] <JaneW> now I know that was far from the truth and those who took typing have a distinct advantage
[11:21] <jsgotangco> eh?
[11:21] <jsgotangco> i also took accounting
[11:21] <jsgotangco> never had that much use of it
[11:22] <jsgotangco> JaneW, have you heard of typing of the dead
[11:28] <DanielC> Hello. I'm making progress, albeit very slowly.
[11:29] <DanielC> My thin client boots now, but I can't login.
[11:29] <JaneW> jsgotangco: huh?
[11:29] <DanielC> This is strange. I can't login even from a tty.
[11:29] <JaneW> DanielC: good to hear - glad mdz was able to help you..
[11:29] <DanielC> I get a "Login incorrect" message.
[11:29] <DanielC> JaneW: Yeah... :)
[11:30] <JaneW> DanielC: it's a pitty Ogra is not here again
[11:30] <DanielC> Still having ISDN problems?
[11:30] <jsgotangco> JaneW, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A//www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/&ei=MeEOQ9jAMJOWswG40r2kCg
[11:30] <jsgotangco> oopps
[11:31] <jsgotangco> http://www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/typingofthedead/ rather
[11:37] <JaneW> jsgotangco: looks like fun
[11:46] <DanielC> If I my ask, what is ogra's and mdz' role in Edubuntu? I noticed that someone on the list deferred to mdz...  Just trying to learn who is who  :-)
[11:46] <DanielC> if I *may* ask...  :-)
[01:53] <JaneW> what's up with my link....?
[01:53] <JaneW> must be the gale force wind and rain.
[02:03] <JaneW> DanielC: ping
[02:04] <DanielC> JaneW: pong
[02:04] <DanielC> hi
[02:04] <JaneW> DanielC: hi, did your question get answered earlier?
[02:04] <JaneW> re ogra and mdz?
[02:04] <DanielC> No, I didn't.
[02:04] <JaneW> ok, well I can shed some light
[02:05] <DanielC> :-)
[02:05] <JaneW> mdz is Canonical's CTO
[02:05] <JaneW> chief technical officer
[02:05] <JaneW> so he is in charge of everything we release
[02:05] <JaneW> and gets to decide what's in and what's out etc
[02:05] <JaneW> and approves decisions and delays etc
[02:05] <JaneW> we all report to him 
[02:06] <DanielC> So the CTO is answering support questions on the list?
[02:06] <JaneW> ogra is the developement lead for edubuntu
[02:06] <JaneW> our CTO is very involved yes ;)
[02:06] <DanielC> cool
[02:06] <DanielC> you don't see that often...
[02:06] <JaneW> and VERY knowledgable too
[02:06] <DanielC> :-)
[02:07] <JaneW> the fact that he wrote (and/or customised) the LTSP package played a role in him responding in this case too
[02:07] <DanielC> ah
[02:07] <DanielC> If I may ask, what do you do?
[02:07] <DanielC> what's your area?
[02:08] <JaneW> I am a project manager
[02:09] <JaneW> so I am trying to co-ordinate all the bits of edubuntu
[02:09] <JaneW> and hopefully they'll all tie up nicely as we reach the launch date
[02:09] <DanielC> What's the difference between a project manager and a lead?
[02:09] <JaneW> it's about having lots of responsibility, but not very much control ;)
[02:09] <DanielC> :-)
[02:09] <JaneW> a PM watches the 'triple constraint'
[02:10] <JaneW> Time, Cost/Budget, Quality
[02:10] <DanielC> ah
[02:10] <JaneW> changing one always affects the others
[02:10] <JaneW> I only started with Canonical in April, so am new to this world
[02:10] <DanielC> Ok. Running a project is a balancing act, and your job is to find a good balance.
[02:11] <JaneW> I was working main-stream before, so this is quite different
[02:11] <JaneW> nod
[02:11] <DanielC> Do you like it so far?
[02:11] <JaneW> yes, but I still don;t understand everything
[02:11] <JaneW> I am loving using Ubuntu
[02:11] <JaneW> until I decided to d/l and install a program
[02:11] <DanielC> new experiences is what makes life interesting :-)
[02:11] <JaneW> and then I fnd I don't know what to do
[02:12] <JaneW> it's all so very different
[02:12] <DanielC> It's certainly different.
[02:12] <DanielC> I like the way installation works on Ubuntu/Debian better, but it's very different from other environments.
[02:12] <DanielC> Do you know how to install software now?
[02:13] <JaneW> I like to think I represent a large portion of the target market
[02:13] <JaneW> so if it;s made so I can understand and handle it, many people will
[02:13] <JaneW> (I am an above average windows user, and do have some AIX exeperience too)
[02:13] <JaneW> well I tired to install freemind, but I had a conflict so I eventually gave up
[02:13] <DanielC> Sounds like a good POV.
[02:14] <JaneW> I also installed flash and that caused havoc so I had to remove it again...
[02:14] <DanielC> :(
[02:14] <JaneW> yep, so no funky flash sites for me...
[02:15] <DanielC> Are you running Hoary?
[02:15] <JaneW> yes
[02:15] <DanielC> I see that freemind is not in the archives :(
[02:15] <DanielC> I guess that explains why it's hard.
[02:15] <JaneW> I have Breezy (installed beg July) but it has no sound...?
[02:16] <JaneW> so I mostly stick with hoary
[02:16] <DanielC> Installing from the archives is easy. Installing something that's not on the archives might be anywhere from easy to impossible.
[02:17] <DanielC> I got flash installed by following the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[02:18] <DanielC> I think it's well written. The steps are clear and unambiguous.
[02:18] <DanielC> At least, I thought so... then again, I'm used to Linux.
[02:18] <DanielC> I've been using it for 7 years.
[02:18] <JaneW> cool
[02:19] <JaneW> I installed the default from a web page first (mistake)
[02:19] <JaneW> then I installed from inside ubuntu - easy
[02:19] <DanielC> :-)
[02:19] <JaneW> but it still didn;t work
[02:19] <DanielC> oh
[02:19] <JaneW> or at least it did, the falsh part was fine, but it made ff unstable and if I tried to edit a wiki all ff wondows would crash
[02:20] <JaneW> I need to edit wikis, so I had to uninstall
[02:20] <DanielC> That's surprising...
[02:20] <DanielC> and bad.
[02:20] <JaneW> yep
[02:20] <DanielC> A broken flash shouldn't kill ff.
[02:22] <DanielC> Well, thank you for the introductions.
[02:22] <JaneW> np :)
[02:22] <highvoltage> i wish i could know as much as mdz or ogra.
[02:22] <DanielC> I'm impressed that the people in charge are so easy to reach. That's very cool.
[02:23] <highvoltage> oh sorry, i'm replying to old messages PgDn...
[02:23] <highvoltage> i'm sure when I'm as old as they are I will though :)
[02:23] <DanielC> :-)
[02:24] <DanielC> highvoltage: how old are you?
[02:25] <highvoltage> 23
[02:25] <highvoltage> quite old myself, now that i think of it.
[02:25] <DanielC> prime of your youth :-)
[02:25] <DanielC> I'm a geezer. I'm 26  :-)
[02:25] <highvoltage> hehe.
[02:26] <highvoltage> i think prime was at about 8, from there it was just downhill
[02:26] <DanielC> I think 18-24 is are the prime years.
[02:27] <highvoltage> did you know, that when you're about 10, your hearing starts to weaken?
[02:27] <DanielC> no, I didn't.
[02:27] <DanielC> That's interesting.
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[02:28] <highvoltage> yes, it is. a friend of mine has a philosophy, that if you never drink, smoke, etc. you might just die healthy.
[02:28] <mpt> When you're 18, your sex drive starts decreasing
[02:28] <mpt> When you're 30, you start getting shorter
[02:29] <DanielC> mpt: Is that true? about the sex drive?
[02:29] <mpt> not sure :-)
[02:29] <highvoltage> i think i'm genetically younger than other people my age.
[02:30] <highvoltage> perhaps because i don't drink or smoke much.
[02:30] <DanielC> I don't drink and smoke at all.
[02:30] <DanielC> I think that just means I'm smarter than most people.  :-)
[02:30] <DanielC> Okay, I'll have a glass of wine now and again...
[02:30] <mpt> ah, yes, it is true DanielC
[02:30] <highvoltage> DanielC: most people who don't, do think they're smarter ;)
[02:31] <mpt> http://straightdope.com/classics/a2_208.html
[02:31] <DanielC> smoking is particularly dumb.
[02:31] <highvoltage> so, how do we fit all these life lessons into edubuntu?
[02:31] <DanielC> you spend all this money on something that tastes bad and hurts your lungs.
[02:31] <highvoltage> :)
[02:31] <DanielC> This is an educational discussion  :-)
[02:31] <DanielC> Alcohol is different because some types actually taste good, and moderate quantities actually improve your health.
[02:32] <highvoltage> we should have splash screens "smoking causes cancer", "don't smoke around children", before they know it, the entire school will be smoking :)
[02:32] <DanielC> :-)
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[02:32] (mpt/#edubuntu) "don't drink"
[02:33] <mpt> "be nice to your teachers"
[02:33] <JaneW> DanielC: even sabdfl hangs around in #ubunut-devel and talk to people directly
[02:33] <JaneW> it's literally and open company ;)
[02:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: so do I!
[02:33] <JaneW> s/and/an
[02:33] <JaneW> sorry more typos than usual - I am trying to eat lunch and read something ;)
[02:33] <DanielC> JaneW: Who is sabdfl ?
[02:34] <highvoltage> self appointed benevolent dictator for life.
[02:34] <highvoltage> aka Mark Shuttleworth
[02:34] <DanielC> Mark?
[02:34] <DanielC> :-)
[02:34] <DanielC> cool
[02:34] <highvoltage> aka founder of Canonical/Ubuntu
[02:34] <highvoltage> aka space traveler
[02:34] <DanielC> I hear Mark's a cool guy.
[02:34] <highvoltage> aka founder of shuttleworth foundation
[02:34] <highvoltage> etc :)
[02:34] <DanielC> My employer met him last week to talk about education.
[02:35] <highvoltage> well, if it wasn't for his hairstyle... but that's contraversial
[02:35] <DanielC> :-)
[02:35] <highvoltage> in south africa, two newspapers even had articles about the various bad hairstyles he's had before :)
[02:36] <DanielC> he he
[02:36] <JaneW> been lagged but technically niether 18 nor 24 are 'prime
[02:36] <JaneW> '
[02:36] <DanielC> JaneW: what's the prime then? :-)
[02:36] <highvoltage> damn. and there i though i had something to look forward to for next year.
[02:36] <highvoltage> DanielC: i think it's at 11% or something atm.
[02:37] <JaneW> prime = divisible by itself and 1 only :P
[02:37] <DanielC> he he
[02:37] <JaneW> so who's lost their braincell now!?
[02:37] <highvoltage> ah, yes.
[02:37] <JaneW> and I'll a cretin of 31
[02:37] <highvoltage> ok, so i'm at prime atm :)
[02:38] <DanielC> :-)
[02:38] <highvoltage> actually i like the even numbered ages better.
[02:38] <highvoltage> (or at least so far)
[02:38] <highvoltage> every odd year, i take on too much and end up doing way too much work. on the even numbers, i relax a bit and enjoy life.
[02:38] <JaneW> oh and yes Mark is a cool guy
[02:39] <highvoltage> (except for the hair)
[02:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: really?
[02:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm quite sure the entire 12 plein street is in agreement about that? or are you objecting?
[02:39] <DanielC> JaneW: Do you meet often? I know he's in London. And Canonical is supposed to be based in South Africa.
[02:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll find you those newspaper articles, kim still has them :)
[02:39] <highvoltage> DanielC: no it's not.
[02:40] <JaneW> Canonical is based in Isle of Man
[02:40] <JaneW> Mark is in London
[02:40] <JaneW> I am in SA
[02:40] <JaneW> as is highvoltage 
[02:40] <DanielC> Isle of Man?  That's news to me.
[02:40] <JaneW> ogra is ain Germany
[02:40] <highvoltage> DanielC: they say so on the ubuntu site, and on distrowatch
[02:40] <highvoltage> DanielC: it's well documented everywhere :)
[02:40] <highvoltage> DanielC: it was even on slashdot a few weeks ago.
[02:41] <highvoltage> what do you do? AOL time warner?
[02:41] <DanielC> highvoltage: I take it that you work for Canonical too then?
[02:41] <highvoltage> ;)
[02:41] <highvoltage> DanielC: no.
[02:41] <DanielC> ok
[02:42] <highvoltage> I work on the non-profit side- shuttleworth foundation.
[02:42] <DanielC> FWIW I'm in Birmingham, UK :-)
[02:42] <DanielC> 2 months ago I was in the USA
[02:42] <JaneW> DanielC: cool
[02:42] <DanielC> 3 years before I was in Canada
[02:42] <highvoltage> but i'm jumping into edubuntu, and it's nice to be involved. i'll be doing more and more as i get things organised.
[02:42] <DanielC> and 9 years before that I was in Venezuela.
[02:43] <highvoltage> DanielC: what nationality are you?
[02:43] <DanielC> I'm a dual citizen of Venezuela and Canada.
[02:43] <DanielC> I'm special  :-)
[02:43] <JaneW> 2 months ago we were in London
[02:44] <DanielC> JaneW: Meeting Mark?
[02:44] <JaneW> DanielC: well meeting with him - we have met him before...
[02:44] <DanielC> I've just been to London once. I liked it.
[02:44] <DanielC> Yeah, that's what I meant, meeting with him.
[02:44] <JaneW> I sort of liked it, but found it pretty dirty surprisingly
[02:44] <DanielC> really?
[02:45] <JaneW> DanielC: oic, well then yes...
[02:45] <DanielC> I didn't notice it being particularly dirty. Certainly cleaner than Washington DC  (where I was located before).
[02:45] <highvoltage> JaneW: dirty?
[02:46] <highvoltage> oh, London. :)
[02:46] <JaneW> DanielC: see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSummitGallerys
[02:46] <highvoltage> hehe...i thought you meant mark.
[02:46] <DanielC> he he
[02:46] <DanielC> That would have been an interesting comment.
[02:46] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes I meant London was dirty as in grimey and sooty - no other interpretations please!
[02:46] <highvoltage> the station at westminster was *very* dirty
[02:46] <highvoltage> it made me think of Bellville station.
[02:47] <JaneW> ppl complain about SA being dirty but it's not
[02:47] <JaneW> we wash our roads!
[02:47] <DanielC> what's SA?
[02:47] <highvoltage> South Africa
[02:47] <DanielC> I thought you were in the states?
[02:47] <highvoltage> nope, we're in south africa.
[02:48] <DanielC> ok
[02:48] <highvoltage> we're too cool for the states.
[02:48] <DanielC> :-)
[02:48] <DanielC> that's a good man...
[02:48] <DanielC> I am too. That's why I left... :-)
[02:48] <JaneW> hehe
[02:48] <JaneW> DanielC: so you're a yank?
[02:48] <DanielC> Are most employees in SA?
[02:49] <JaneW> *run*
[02:49] <DanielC> argh!
[02:49] <JaneW> DanielC: nope
[02:49] <highvoltage> DanielC: spread across the world!
[02:49] <highvoltage> bye!
[02:49] <DanielC> No, I'm not a yank.
[02:49] <JaneW> DanielC: there are 5 Canonical employees in SA the rest are ALL over the world
[02:49] <DanielC> that's very cool.
[02:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: 5?
[02:49] <JaneW> Australia, USA, CAnada, UK, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Lithuania you name it...
[02:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: marilize, charles, morgan, eilise, adi and I
[02:50] <JaneW> 6
[02:50] <DanielC> Interesting.
[02:50] <JaneW> but elise is not full time
[02:50] <DanielC> It's a lot more spread out than most companies.
[02:50] <DanielC> So you talk mostly by email and IRC then?
[02:50] <JaneW> DanielC: there are obviously many more pple working for Mark in SA for HBD and TSF etc
[02:51] <JaneW> DanielC: yes, IRC, e-mail and wikis
[02:51] <DanielC> What's HBD?
[02:51] <JaneW> DanielC: and we get together 2/3 times a year
[02:51] <DanielC> TSF == The Shuttleworth Foundation ?
[02:51] <JaneW> Here Be Dragons www.hbd.com
[02:51] <JaneW> yes
[02:51] <DanielC> So you get free trips around the world?
[02:52] <DanielC> re HBD:  Ok, I see.
[02:55] <DanielC> The Edubuntu summit looks like it was fun.
[02:55] <JaneW> DanielC: well yes the company sponsors us to attend INSTENSIVE work weeks (7-12 days)
[02:56] <DanielC> So, the idea is that all the employees from around the world get together to work for 7-12 days?
[02:56] <JaneW> I found the hair article
[02:56] <JaneW> http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=vn20050209102227763C337661
[02:57] <DanielC> ok
[02:59] <DanielC> It sounds like working for Canonical should be an interesting experience.
[02:59] <JaneW> DanielC: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[02:59] <JaneW> that's the next Dev Summit
[02:59] <JaneW> DanielC: interesting it is
[03:00] <DanielC> So, you get to travel a lot it seems. That's very neat.
[03:00] <DanielC> I'm lucky to be employed at an open source company. It's a small business, but I get to work on FOSS all day.
[03:02] <JaneW> the travelling's cool - I just kind of wish it was 10 years ago
[03:02] <JaneW> (for me)
[03:02] <DanielC> :-)
[03:02] <JaneW> would have been much more fun (and free spirited)
[03:02] <DanielC> 31 is not a bad age to travel at.
[03:03] <JaneW> DanielC: agreed, but married, kids, cars, mortgage etc makes things less flexible
[03:03] <DanielC> I'm not far from your age, and I love travelling.
[03:03] <DanielC> ah
[03:03] <JaneW> so much more co-ordination involved
[03:03] <DanielC> Yeah... I see.
[03:04] <DanielC> I'm still single, so I can still move about with minimal coordination.
[03:04] <JaneW> right
[03:05] <DanielC> well, I'm glad you are doing something interesting.
[03:05] <DanielC> that's what makes life fun to live :)
[03:08] <JaneW> yes
[03:22] <DanielC> Is ogra still having ISDN problems?
[03:23] <DanielC> I'm stuck with a problem. I can't login from the thin client. I sent an email to the mailing list, but haven't had a response.
[03:26] <JaneW> ogra has responded go look
[03:26] <DanielC> ok, thanks
[03:27] <JaneW> I have a feeling ogra is knuckling down to work and so is staying off line for a bit
[03:27] <DanielC> "knuckling down to work" ?  What does that mean?
[03:28] <JaneW> 'nose to the grind stone' 'back to the salk mines'
[03:28] <JaneW> salt I mean
[03:28] <DanielC> ok, thanks.
[03:28] <JaneW> 'getting stuck in'
[03:28] <JaneW> got it?
[03:29] <DanielC> I'm still confused by some expressions :-)  Yes, I got it now.
[03:43] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco , been to the pub again?
[03:43] <JaneW> being Friday and all ;)
[03:43] <jsgotangco> lol no
[03:43] <jsgotangco> no more budget for the week
[03:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:43] <jsgotangco> im just going to spend the night trying to figure out my schedule and life
[03:45] <smykes> will alexandria be included in edubuntu?
[03:45] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:45] <jsgotangco> im not sure
[03:45] <jsgotangco> let me check
[03:45] <smykes> I didnt see it on the list
[03:45] <smykes> and Im trying to get it running on my classroom ubuntu box
[03:45] <smykes> but it just sits there when I try and search
[03:45] <jsgotangco> smykes: if its the Universe repository, you can just download it
[03:46] <jsgotangco> the listing means that it has passed QA and security checks
[03:46] <jsgotangco> to be included in Main
[03:46] <jsgotangco> other than that, it is probably in Universe
[03:47] <smykes> it seems I have the latest version
[03:47] <smykes> its just kind of odd
[03:48] <jsgotangco> because?
[03:48] <smykes> it opens 
[03:48] <smykes> it just wont search
[03:48] <jsgotangco> smykes: where did you get it
[03:48] <smykes> sudo apt-get install alexandria
[03:48] <DanielC> JaneW: Do Canonical employees often answer questions over the weekend?  Ogra's suggestion worked, btw. I can login from the text terminal. So now I'll start trying to fix the graphical login.
[03:49] <jsgotangco> DanielC: sure if they're online
[03:49] <jsgotangco> (its not like it has an office anyways)
[03:49] <JaneW> DanielC: there's generally always folk around on the week end
[03:49] <DanielC> Ok, thanks. Good to know.
[03:49] <JaneW> luck of the draw though
[03:50] <jsgotangco> smykes: oh its in Universe, if you encounter a problem, file a bug in launchpad.ubuntu.com
[03:50] <jsgotangco> smykes: via Malone
[03:50] <smykes> if I cant get alexandria working can you sugges another database app like filemaker or acces
[03:50] <smykes> only better then access
[03:50] <jsgotangco> im not sure ogra will be over here the weekend either...
[03:51] <jsgotangco> smykes: breezy will have OOo 2 with a database application similar to access
[03:51] <jsgotangco> its actually good
[03:51] <smykes> is that open office?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:52] <jsgotangco> OOo Base
[03:52] <smykes> what would I apt get for that
[03:52] <smykes> what name
[03:52] <jsgotangco> are you in Hoary?
[03:53] <smykes> I believe so yes
[03:53] <jsgotangco> (i wouldn't recommend it in Ubuntu 5.04)
[03:53] <smykes> whats the command line for os version
[03:54] <jsgotangco> uname -a
[03:54] <jsgotangco> put it and i'll see what you're using
[03:54] <smykes> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Thu Aug 18 22:23:56 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:54] <jsgotangco> you're in Hoary
[03:54] <smykes> ok
[03:55] <smykes> two more questions sorry
[03:55] <jsgotangco> sure (im not doing anything actually)
[03:55] <smykes> the database thing, I need to do inventory of all my instruments in the room
[03:55] <smykes> recomendations
[03:55] <smykes> and a content filter because sometimes students get on this machine
[03:56] <jsgotangco> inventory hmmm
[03:56] <jsgotangco> your linux skill level?
[03:56] <smykes> Im an OS X user
[03:56] <smykes> so low
[03:56] <smykes> ;)
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i see hmmm
[03:56] <smykes> I know enough to be dangerous
[03:56] <jsgotangco> im a filemaker user myself...
[03:56] <smykes> oh yeah I know filemaker
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i can only say OOo Base for a desktop database
[03:57] <smykes> but it costs money
[03:57] <smykes> this is a public school ;)
[03:57] <jsgotangco> there are loads of free software out there for inventory but it may require some skill....
[03:57] <smykes> yeah
[03:58] <smykes> just looking for something with a frontend
[03:58] <jsgotangco> im sorry i really can't say...
[03:58] <jsgotangco> i'm so biased with OOo base :)
[03:58] <smykes> heh
[03:58] <smykes> what about content filtering?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> content like adult sites, etc.?
[03:58] <smykes> pretty much
[03:59] <jsgotangco> there's squidguard...BUT
[03:59] <jsgotangco> there's always the BUT
[03:59] <smykes> oh theres always a but
[03:59] <jsgotangco> Edubuntu should address those things soon
[04:00] <jsgotangco> as for a stable desktop database, I'd wait at least 2 months :)
[04:00] <jsgotangco> because OOo Base 2 is really good
[04:00] <jsgotangco> you can actually download it for hoary but its horribly slow
[04:00] <jsgotangco> the GCC 4 transition did wonders on it
[04:01] <smykes> I have to say I love Ubuntu
[04:01] <smykes> its great
[04:02] <jsgotangco> smykes: Edubuntu however is a server environment
[04:02] <smykes> but the release date for edubuntu, I know it coincide with ubuntu, causes some problems for educators, summers is when we learn things
[04:02] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:02] <smykes> im not saying that to put it down at all
[04:02] <smykes> because its great
[04:03] <smykes> its just once school starts up, time becomes less and less available
[04:04] <jsgotangco> smykes: i hope you don't get disappointed with the initial release, our goals were minimal but we intend to grow with it
[04:05] <smykes> oh I know I wont be disapointed
[04:05] <smykes> and what you are doing is great
[04:05] <smykes> the timing, which isnt your fault, is just two or thee months off
[04:05] <jsgotangco> perhaps we can consider that next time
[04:05] <jsgotangco> we just coincide with ubuntu/kubuntu naturally
[04:05] <smykes> yeah I know
[04:05] <smykes> thats why im saying its not your fault
[04:07] <smykes> im going to try this bumblebe app
[04:07] <smykes> if I can get it running
[04:07] <smykes> something about GladeXML.pm
[04:08] <jsgotangco> smykes: brb i have a meeting with the docteam in #ubuntu-meeting feel free to come if you want
[04:09] <smykes> thanks
[04:09] <smykes> for your help
[04:38] <DanielC> I think I've located the problem. The thin client is mounting the file system as read-only.
[04:39] <DanielC> That's why other things are breaking.
[04:39] <DanielC> For example, when you login through the GUI, X will write a few files to your home directory, and if it can't it'll log you out. I've seen this before.
[04:40] <DanielC> Does anyone know how to make the clients mount the file system read-write ?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> he ogra any success with your dsl?
[04:43] <ogra> seems to work agaon :)
[04:44] <ogra> again
[04:48] <DanielC> ogra: thanks for the help.
[04:48] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[04:48] <DanielC> ogra: I can login from a tty now. I experimented a bit and it turns out that the problem is that the client is mounting the file system as read-only.
[04:49] <DanielC> Very strange.
[04:49] <ogra> no thats ok
[04:49] <DanielC> it is?
[04:49] <ogra> (if you mean the local filesystem on the client)
[04:50] <DanielC> But you can't write any files...
[04:50] <ogra> the login manager then opens a ssh tunneled X session
[04:50] <DanielC> Ok, then the problem must be on the ssh tunnel. I'll check the logs, one sec...
[04:50] <ogra> you can, via the chroot command on the server.... what you have on the client is /opt/ltsp/i386 ;)
[04:54] <DanielC> "Could not create directory '/root/.ssh'"
[04:54] <DanielC> The other lines in the log didn't look like errors.
[04:55] <JaneW> DanielC: you are awarded one of my 'Virtual Gold Star's (TM) for being the most tenacious tester we have...
[04:55] <JaneW> well done
[04:55] <DanielC> :-)
[04:55] <DanielC> Thanks.
[04:58] <DanielC> ogra: I don't understand most of the log, so I don't know what's relevant and what's not...
[05:16] <DanielC> Okay, I just sent the log to the list.
[05:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW: bah
[05:16] <jsgotangco> you award someone with a star while we toil with your whip
[05:17] <DanielC> :-)
[05:20] <DanielC> jsgotangco: I take it you work for Canonical?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> no
[05:21] <DanielC> ok
[05:21] <jsgotangco> i have met them though
[05:22] <DanielC> ok
[05:22] <DanielC> are you developer then?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> sort of
[05:23] <DanielC> :-)
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i was part of the original Edubuntu spec writers
[05:23] <DanielC> cool
[05:23] <DanielC> do you have experience in education?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> no its my interest though
[05:24] <DanielC> ok
[05:24] <DanielC> that still works :-)
[05:24] <jsgotangco> i don't know why exactly..probably its because i already have a child
[05:25] <DanielC> are you a volunteer?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:26] <jsgotangco> i didnt get that much quality education either but i can say i have fared well...
[05:27] <DanielC> I'm interested in education :-)
[05:27] <DanielC> It's certainly an important area to work on.
[05:27] <jsgotangco> well yes, in my home country, we don't even have that much labs in public schools
[05:27] <jsgotangco> or a computer even (sad)
[05:28] <DanielC> which one is your home country?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> Philippines
[05:28] <DanielC> ok
[05:29] <DanielC> I grew up in Venezuela, so I'm familiar with the idea of schools with no resources.
[05:29] <jsgotangco> yeah its sad really
[05:29] <DanielC> Though I was lucky enough to go to a private school, I know that most of my contemporaries weren't as lucky.
[05:29] <jsgotangco> i was in my hometown this morning and nothing really changed in my old school
[07:13] <jsgotangco> night
[08:55] <DanielC> ogra rocks
[08:55] <DanielC> :-)
[08:56] <ogra> heh, thanks :)
[08:56] <DanielC> Will I have to update the ssh keys often?
[08:56] <ogra> nope, only if you change the ip 
[08:56] <ogra> (or name if DNS in your localnet is working)
[08:57] <DanielC> ok
[08:58] <DanielC> We want to deploy this at a local school. They are aware that this is a bit of an experiment. Our deal with them is that they only pay for hardware and they allow us to use their school to learn how to setup thin clients.
[08:58] <DanielC> But of course I want to make the experience positive for them. I want them to like Linux :-)
[08:58] <ogra> :)