[12:30] <sivang> seb128: I'm going to sleep, mail me with your results / msg me so I will pick up on my awaylog
[12:30] <seb128> k
[12:30] <sivang> seb128: thanks
[12:31] <seb128> sivang: it works
[12:32] <seb128> sivang: launchpad_integration_add_items (gtk_widget_get_parent (gtk_menu_get_widget (mw->main_menu, "about")), -1, TRUE, TRUE);
[12:32] <seb128> that does the job
[12:37] <shackan> are we getting dbus 0.36 in breezy ?
[12:38] <seb128> no
[12:38] <shackan> k
[12:39] <seb128> shackan: they rolled it today?
[12:40] <sivang> seb128:<educational question> whee thanks, how did you find out that you need to do it? </educationl question>
[12:41] <sivang> seb128: also currently experimenting with clock applet, to see if the pkg tracking code works from there
[12:42] <seb128> sivang: just try to get the menu from the widget used by the source code, no universal method ...
[12:43] <sivang> seb128: that's an answer for the educational question?
[12:43] <shackan> seb128, yesterday, apparently
[12:43] <seb128> yep
[12:44] <sivang> seb128: ah, so what is mw->main_menu ?
[12:44] <sivang> seb128: (if not a GtkWidget)
[12:46] <seb128> "mw->main_menu = gtk_menu_bar_new ();"
[12:47] <sivang> seb128: AFAIK a menu bar is of class GtkWidget, no ?
[12:47] <lifeless> hmm, boom, goodbye pubring.gpg again.
[12:48] <lifeless> this is getting tiresome
[12:48] <lifeless> bob2: did you file a bug on it ?
[12:48] <seb128> sivang: right, why?
[12:48] <seb128> every GTK widget is a GtkWidget ...
[12:48] <lamont> mdz: you mean I have to highlight on 'infinity' now too?
[12:50] <lamont> infinity: 65280 == 0xff00 --> exit -1
[12:50] <sivang> seb128: so I get why the add_items wouldn't work , but I don't understand why it wasn't asserted like a GTK_MENU which is a GtkWidget
[12:51] <seb128> what should be asserted and why?
[12:52] <sivang> seb128: never mind. I'll ask you when we have more time, for the meanwhile I'll just get done with the patch
[12:52] <seb128> want to do gimp tomorrow? 
[12:53] <lathiat> lamont: i've got somethign that failed to build on i386 due to a missing libt1-dev but i've got it locally, any idea whats up?
[12:54] <lamont> lathiat: which package
[12:54] <lathiat> lamont: ultrapoint
[12:54] <sivang> seb128: yes, I'll give it a quick try and ping you up on trouble
[12:54] <mdz> seb128: how is firefox going?  do you know what needs to be done?
[12:55] <sivang> mdz: already done lpi wise :) seb rocks
[12:55] <sivang> seb128: I played already with the ffox items, works nice
[12:56] <lamont> lathiat: is libt1-dev possibly in multiverse?
[12:56] <lathiat> lamont: err
[12:56] <seb128> mdz: I've uploaded firefox patched, but they are not translatable yet ...
[12:56] <slomo> seb128: do we have some kind of glitz transition? i.e. is everything depending on glitz to be rebuild? or will you take care of this
[12:56] <lathiat> lamont: main apparently
[12:56] <mdz> oh, I must have missed it on -changes
[12:57] <lamont>   vflib3-dev: Depends: vflib3 (= 3.6.13-3ubuntu1) but it is not going to be
[12:57] <lamont> that's all the failures I see...
[12:57] <lathiat> err
[12:57] <seb128> mdz: firefox files come from a DTD and some .js, we can't use lpi lib here, so I've made normal menu items 
[12:57] <mdz> it doesn't seem to have built yet
[12:57] <seb128> weird
[12:57] <seb128> it was like 5 hours ago
[12:57] <mdz> ah, there it is
[12:57] <lamont> and vflib3 is missing a few X functions (ergo, libs) on at least one arch
[12:57] <mdz> it wasn't in my last apt-get update but it was in this one
[12:57] <lathiat> lamont: i fixed vflib3 today
[12:57] <lathiat> lamont: it was due to xmkmf 
[12:57] <lamont> ah, ok
[12:58] <lathiat> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/u/ultrapoint/0.4-9.4/ultrapoint_0.4-9.4_20050825-2337-i386-failed.gz is what i was looking at
[12:58] <mdz> doko_: thanks for seeing to oo.o2 launchpadiscation
[12:58] <lathiat> have i got a cached list or somethin?
[12:58] <seb128> mdz: launchpad seems to have reserved "mozilla-firefox" instead of "firefox" though ... 
[12:58] <lamont> nah - I'm looking at my email, which tends to be a bit delayed.
[12:58] <lathiat> lamont: oh right
[12:58] <lathiat> lamont: i already had it given back a bit earlier
[12:58] <mdz> seb128: should probably tell someone on #launchpad about this
[12:58] <lathiat> lamont: and got the libt1-dev trhing
[12:58] <seb128> mdz: yeah, I'll do now
[12:58] <mdz> seb128: anyway thanks for getting it in
[12:59] <lathiat> lamont: anyway talk to you later
[12:59] <seb128> np
[12:59] <lamont> lathiat: I'll look at it tonight when I finally get home..
[12:59] <lathiat> lamont: thanks, cya
[12:59] <mdz> mjg59: still here?
[01:01] <seb128> slomo: it's already fixed. cairo used to build with glitz, the option is not supported for 1.0 so it has been turned but a pile of /usr/lib/*.la were mentionning it ... since cairo doesn't bring glitz by Depends it breaks the build
[01:01] <seb128> slomo: I've rebuilt most of the stuff to fix that, should be ok now
[01:03] <slomo> seb128: i count 68 sourcepackages here (including xfce stuff) which depends on libglitz1 or libglitz-glx1... so we should leave them alone when they don't fall under libcairo1 transition?
[01:04] <seb128> slomo: that's not an issue, only libs break builds, most of these packages don't have .la files
[01:07] <slomo> seb128: but as the other packages depend on glitz, glitz is installed for them although it isn't needed... well but that's nothing critical (and they just need a rebuild to fix)
[01:15] <seb128> slomo: there is ~20 main packages and they will be almost all reupload for GNOME 2.12
[01:15] <seb128> slomo: you can rebuild universe ones if you want
[01:19] <sivang> seb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/gnomemeeting/ I hope it's ok..
[01:19] <sivang> seb128: night
[01:19] <seb128> sivang: I've already uploaded a patched package ...
[01:20] <seb128> since I've made the patch I've uploaded it once done
[01:21] <jdub> phlaegel: pong
[01:21] <jdub> seb128: morning!
[01:21] <seb128> hello jdub :)
[01:22] <jdub> sebuild has been running hot!
[01:24] <seb128> ;)
[01:24] <jdub> jbailey: ooh, should i try rebooting with new initramfs? (nothing explicit in the changelog about the md stuff i hit)
[01:24] <jbailey> jdub: Right, I didn't get that in.
[01:24] <jdub> d'oh! ;)
[01:25] <jbailey> jdub: We'll entice you with usplash love in the next couple of days. =)
[01:26] <sabdfl> jbailey: have you asked the art team for classy splashies?
[01:26] <jdub> heh
[01:26] <jdub> luckily my server does not care for usplashery ;)
[01:26] <phlaegel> jdub: I had a howl question for you, but realized it doesn't matter :-)
[01:26] <jdub> sabdfl: that's on cliff's list
[01:26] <jdub> phlaegel: avahi uber alles! :)
[01:26] <jbailey> sabdfl: mjg59 is doing all that magic.  I'm just providing infrastructure for him to work.
[01:26] <sabdfl> jdub: might be nice to let the community have a free stab at it
[01:27] <jdub> andy has also been doing some, not sure if he's mentioned it to the art team
[01:27] <mjg59> mdz: Hi
[01:27] <sabdfl> hiya mjg59
[01:27] <phlaegel> jdub: mmmm... avahi
[01:28] <jbailey> sabdfl: I did ask mjg59 if there would be a splash screen suitable for a cinema display though.  His response was to give me bugs to fix, so I'm not asking him anything anymore. ;)
[01:28] <jdub> ha ha
[01:28] <jdub> that's a hard problem ;)
[01:28] <sabdfl> jbailey: in that case, we need surround sound startup sounds too :-p
[01:29] <mjg59> Andy sent me some nice looking art, but I don't know if it fits in with the general branding
[01:29] <jdub> i'd be happy to suggest a non-ratio-reliant usplash screen, but i think that would be a terribly suckful requirement (no text! no logo!)
[01:29] <jbailey> Hmm.  That might be a nice excuse to use buying a surround sound setup as a tax-deductable expense...
[01:30] <sabdfl> i like the apple approach - two colours on the splash screen, very classy and simple
[01:30] <jdub> cliff is experimenting with nice plain ones with black background
[01:31] <jdub> (black gets us around problems like widescreen and so on without looking ugly)
[01:31] <jdub> we could go for a sandy colour, but it will look like a big block of out-of-place colour in many situations
[01:32] <jdub> (this is why the windows one has an almost-black background too)
[01:32] <sabdfl> ok
[01:32] <sabdfl> i would say "surprise me" but breezy does that regularly anyhow ;-)
[01:32] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/usplash/
[01:33] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/usplash/random-cute-longhorn-mod.jpg
[01:33] <jdub> ^ i like this mod
[01:33] <jdub> reflectioney and glowey
[01:33] <jdub> (that one is non-MS artwork)
[01:33] <seb128> jdub: FYI I've just built current djvulibre from Debian, build fine ... you can ask your sync again probably :)
[01:33] <jdub> seb128: no C++ transition issues/
[01:33] <jdub> ?
[01:34] <seb128> jdub: what about cpp?
[01:34] <seb128> jdub: it has been transition for Debian so it's probably good for Ubuntu too
[01:34] <jdub> oh, good
[01:34] <seb128> s/transition/transtionned/
[01:35] <seb128> grumpf
[01:35] <jdub> stupid english rules ;)
[01:35] <seb128> yeah :p
[01:35] <seb128> jdub: what build option has to change for next upload? They will probably roll 0.4.0 today or tomorrow
[01:36] <lathiat> anyone know what libxp-dev's fate was?
[01:36] <jdub> seb128: i wanted to explicitly add --enable-pixbuf, but we could explicitly enable all of them (though t1 doesn't appear to detect correctly)
[01:36] <jdub> mjg59: did that image work for you?
[01:36] <seb128> jdub: k, feel free to change that or I'll do that with next upload
[01:37] <mjg59> jdub: Which one?
[01:37] <jdub> mjg59: when i tried it, it looked like it had been dithered again
[01:37] <jdub> the winxp image
[01:37] <jdub> i sent you a modified one for testing the indices
[01:37] <mjg59> Oh, right
[01:37] <mjg59> Uh
[01:37] <mjg59> I don't seem to get *any* of your mail
[01:38] <lathiat> sending from a local smtp server or something? (rbl?)
[01:38] <jdub> lists?
[01:38] <jdub> um, sending from a static ip with sane reverse dns, but it is my adsl
[01:39] <mjg59> I shouldn't be rejecting on that
[01:39] <mjg59> I shouldn't be rejecting full stop
[01:39] <jdub> ok, will try test email
[01:40] <mjg59> mdz hates me :((((((((((
[01:40] <diensthunds-_> don't worry mjg dpkg hates me
[01:40] <lathiat> role reversal
[01:40] <jdub> I have just put on pipy the first version of easy-deb: a tool to make source
[01:40] <jdub> debs out of standard python modules.
[01:40] <jdub> woo :)
[01:41] <mjg59> jdub: Ok, that worked
[01:42] <diensthunds-_> ok who's awake and knows how to dev packages?
[01:43] <diensthunds-_> crap I need somebody good with dpkg
[01:43] <diensthunds-_> nobody, crap
[01:44] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> anyone get ubuntu to work with a Dell Inspiron 600m? :D
[01:46] <diensthunds-_> no but i have it on a compaq right now
[01:47] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> does your wireless network card work? :D
[01:47] <diensthunds-_> yes, and I use a pcmcia card too
[01:47] <sivang> jdub: that's pretty cool, does it use cdbs ?
[01:48] <jdub> sivang: haven't looked into it too much yet, might do the building itself
[01:48] <jdub> sivang: meanwhile, do you have much experience with openpower 710s?
[01:50] <sivang> jdub: basically, yes. I know the HMC and the architecture of operation of the managed system itself, do you have an HMC connected to it or is it a non managed system?
[01:50] <sivang> jdub: besides experience, I also share a pervert love for those beasties..
[01:50] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> mine is built in :S
[01:50] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> centrino 
[01:51] <jdub> sivang: i don't have an HMC, just serial (and supposedly web, but i haven't been able to connect to that yet)
[01:51] <jdub> sivang: looks like it doesn't recognise the ubuntu install disk as having an OS on it - i have to figure out what magic RH and SuSE have done to make theirs work :-)
[01:52] <sivang> jdub: me and colin already discussed that, he said we need to do cherry picking with stuff from the anaconda script
[01:52] <jdub> aha
[01:52] <sivang> jdub: IIRC, he also said he'd add -J (that they are using) to our mkisofs script just to try
[01:52] <sivang> jdub: anyway, try setting the terminal to 19200, N81 and see if it works
[01:53] <diensthunds-_> jdub did ya get the disk burnt right?
[01:53] <jdub> sivang: yeah, have full serial access
[01:53] <sivang> jdub: also, there's usually ONE exact connetor which corrosponds to the default console when no HMC is conencted
[01:53] <jdub> sivang: the pages of IBM IBM IBM IBM are funny ;)
[01:53] <sivang> jdub: true :)
[01:53] <sivang> jdub:  I also don't know how they manage to hid their info from google so good :)
[01:54] <jdub> diensthunds-_: it's a production CD, but that's not the issue (it's "interesting" hardware)
[01:54] <jdub> sivang: the console stuff seemsnicely documented on the IBM site
[01:54] <sivang> jdub: the docs are good , for some of the things - I just couldn't find them through google - I used ibm's search though
[01:55] <jdub> yeah, dumb ungoogleable web page design
[01:55] <sivang> jdub: anyway, how can I work with you (or others) about the Ubuntu for pSeries.
[01:55] <sivang> jdub: am really interested in making it solid and workable
[01:55] <jdub> well, i have one handy at the moment to test on
[01:56] <jdub> so i imagine when kamion gets back, i can be he hands and eyes
[01:56] <mjg59> jdub: Can we fix the installer on x86 laptops first kthxbie
[01:56] <sivang> lol
[01:57] <lathiat>  haha
[01:57] <sivang> jdub: if you set up the console right, and you are connecte to the right connector at the back of the machine,
[01:57] <sivang> jdub: make sure you press it's front button , if it stalled on booting the service processor
[01:58] <sivang> jdub: this should bring up the serial console comm , and you will be able to configure boot order and devices, etc
[01:58] <diensthunds-_> ah well I'm out of ideas
[01:58] <jdub> mjg59: i don't know, can you? :)
[01:58] <jdub> sivang: i've done all of that
[01:59] <sivang> jdub: nothing helps?
[01:59] <jdub> sivang: the SMS doesn't recognise the OS on the CD
[01:59] <sivang> jdub: ah :)
[01:59] <sivang> jdub: k , then it's Colin and his black magic :)
[02:00] <sivang> jdub: was the machien purchased for the purpose of supporting that line of hardware?
[02:01] <lathiat> heh ive been sleeping upside down all week so i need to stay up all day tonight (with no sleep last night) to throw it back aroudn for uni starting again next week :)
[02:03] <jdub> sivang: no
[02:03] <jdub> sivang: but i'm going to comandeer it for testing regardless :)
[02:04] <sivang> jdub: hehe nice, I have a virtualization machien with an HMC, that was the machien where I first saw the SMS doesn't recognize the cd as bootable and with os on it
[02:05] <sivang> jdub: it a bit more advanced then the openpower. do you have POWER5 + Hypervisor ?
[02:06] <jdub> dunno
[02:06] <jdub> does an openpower 710 have a hypervisor?
[02:06] <toresbe>  v54t6yi\\
[02:07] <sivang> jdub: seem it does! 
[02:07] <toresbe> Which, interestingly, is the sound of me almost dropping my keyboard, but saving it, juuust in the nick of time.
[02:07] <sivang> jdub: then you outta get an HMC
[02:07] <toresbe> Thank you, you've been a wonderful audience.
[02:08] <sivang> jdub: then you can have N os's running at the same time, given enough RAM and hd space
[02:08] <sivang> jdub: and it's all controllable from a Java powered GUI device , which allows you to backup and restore installations into what they call, "
[02:08] <sivang> jdub: "partitions"
[02:08] <jdub> yeah, don't think i'm going to get my hands on an HMC
[02:09] <jdub> i thought the web interface did some of this stuff too?
[02:09] <sivang> jdub: not really
[02:09] <jdub> can't talk to it with firefox tho, 'cos it uses some weird encryption protocol
[02:09] <sivang> jdub: it will allow you to control the service processor,
[02:09] <sivang> jdub: and view hardware events etc.
[02:10] <sivang> jdub: well, if you get a machine like that near me , I'm willing to do full time testing on it :) (my work machine is not at my disposal on my free time ...)
[02:10] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> going to try to run ubuntu again :D
[02:10] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> on my laptop :D
[02:10] <sivang> jdub: and install and configure ofcourse..
[02:11] <jdub> sivang: long way from sydney to israel ;)
[02:13] <sivang> jdub: true. although, practically speaking IBM Haifa research labs have a couple of machines like that they let ISVs borrow, humrous but maybe worhwhile checking :)
[02:13] <jdub> sivang: who should i talk to so we can get one on your desk?
[02:13] <sivang> jdub: well, for that I'd need to follow up tp you next week :)
[02:14] <jdub> sivang: rock on, let me know
[02:14] <sivang> jdub: sure thing. I will now go and test if lpi works from an applet, since the build finally succeded.
[02:14] <sivang> jdub: cheers, laterz (alsoing hitting bed afterwards)
[02:44] <eazel7> hi ppl
[02:45] <eazel7> I have an obvious bug here, that seems that I will never solve by reinstalling another thousand times dbus or hal (packages.ubuntu.com says it's in devel/dbus, but I use the latest dbus packages
[02:45] <eazel7> Failed to start message bus: Failed to open "/etc/dbus-1/system.conf": No such file or directory
[02:45] <eazel7> I doesn't have that file, how can I get it? somebody had this problem or can help?
[02:46] <eazel7> (this leads into errors starting hal)
[03:12] <Keybuk> interesting
[03:12] <Keybuk> on hoary, libesd-alsa0 doesn't appear to like dmix
[03:13] <trulux> heya folks
[03:22] <Keybuk> aha!  that's better
[03:23] <jdub> morning Keybuk 
[03:23] <jdub> dude, you're on AEST or something
[03:23] <Keybuk> heyhey mr 'dub
[03:23] <Keybuk> yeah, on a definite strange timezone kick this week
[03:23] <bob2> shock! horror!
[03:24] <Keybuk> I think elmo is spinning my bodyclock off balance by being equally odd
[03:29] <jdub>   * Add another missing build-depend DANIEL WHY DO YOU HATE ME SO
[03:29] <jdub> ha ha
[03:29] <lathiat> haha
[03:29] <Keybuk> ah, mjg59
[03:30] <Keybuk> which reminds me, is there an e-mail address that gets all new bug filings?
[03:31] <elmo> yes
[03:31] <elmo> oh, new
[03:31] <elmo> no
[03:31] <elmo> but there's a debian-bugs-dist equiv
[03:31] <Keybuk> what were you thinking of?
[03:31] <elmo> and you can procmail new ones, I think
[03:31] <Keybuk> what's the traffic level on that?
[03:32] <elmo> hmm, about the same as ubuntu-users in raw msgs, I think... totally off the top of my head
[03:32] <elmo> List-Archive: <http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs>
[03:32] <Keybuk> "Company Mail: 2 days"
[03:32] <elmo> haha
[03:33] <Keybuk> 40-odd a day?
[03:33] <Keybuk> that's about -changes level
[03:33] <Keybuk> oh, no, 200 a day
[03:36] <Keybuk> *chuckle*
[03:36] <Keybuk> so today's new Sourcerer/HCT bug
[03:36] <Keybuk> people who leave .bzr directories in their source packages
[03:36] <Keybuk> mjg59, come on down!
[03:37] <Keybuk> elmo: could you make jennifer squeal if sources contain .bzr, {arch}, .svn, CVS, etc. ? :p
[03:37] <elmo> err, unpacked source?  no
[03:37] <Keybuk> why not?
[03:37] <elmo> I don't want people modifying .orig.tar.gz to remove them
[03:38] <Keybuk> what about the .tar.gz and .diff.gz
[03:39] <elmo> I could do that I suppose, but would a partial check like that be of any use?
[05:07] <lathiat> elmo: can you please sync kaffe from unstable, okd by ajmitch
[05:11] <elmo> lathiat: done
[05:11] <lathiat> elmo: thanks
[05:11] <ajmitch> thanks
[05:12] <Keybuk> hmm, bouncy mdz
[05:12] <mdz> trying to fix my xchat config
[05:12] <mdz> it isn't listening
[05:13] <Keybuk> what's it not doing?
[05:13] <Keybuk> I've had problems before where x-chat doesn't actually seem to save shit
[05:13] <Keybuk> usually the server list
 usually the server list
[05:14] <mdz> that's what it's doing at the moment
[05:14] <mdz> trying to mangle my pevents.conf to get the <> back
[05:14] <Keybuk> %C18%B%B$4$1%O%C18%O$t$2
[05:14] <Keybuk> appears to be my value
[05:14] <Keybuk> I'm not entirely sure what all that gibberish means :p
[05:15] <Keybuk> though I don't have < or > around the nicks because I use the side-tray mode thing
[05:15] <mdz> do you get angle brackets around people's nicks?  that's what I want
[05:15] <mdz> side-tray mode thing?
[05:15] <Keybuk> the default mode, the nicks are right-aligned against a bar
[05:15] <Keybuk> so I see something like "    mdz|side-tray mode thing?"
[05:16] <mdz> yeah, that's what I have too
[05:16] <mdz> but I still want the <>
[05:16] <mdz> so that I can cut and paste them and things make sense
[05:16] <Keybuk> add < and > around the string above?
[05:16] <mdz> working on it, %0Keybuk ;-)
[05:16] <mdz> for some reason it's passing my %0 literally
[05:16] <mdz> event_text=%C18%B%B$4%C2<%0$1%C2>%C18%O$t$2
[05:16] <mdz> that's what I'm using
[05:17] <Keybuk> do you mean %C0 ?
[05:17] <mdz> I don't think so; all of the other strings say %0
[05:17] <Keybuk> or %O ?
[05:17] <Keybuk> 0 != O
[05:17] <mdz> oh
[05:18] <mdz> say something
[05:18] <Keybuk> you know there's a dialog to edit that kind of stuff?
[05:18] <mdz> perfect
[05:18] <mdz> now to me?
[05:18] <Keybuk> mdz: foo
[05:18] <mdz> hmm, missing in that one
[05:18] <Keybuk> that's Channel Msg Hilight
[05:18] <Keybuk> Settings -> Advanced -> Text Events
[05:18] <Keybuk> it lets you try them out too
[05:19] <mdz> to me again?
[05:19] <Keybuk> to you, to me
[05:19] <mdz> mdz: hi
[05:19] <mdz> doesn't work when I do it
[05:19] <Keybuk> mdz: you sound like you're suddenly in the chuckle brothers
[05:19] <Keybuk> Keybuk: hi
[05:19] <Keybuk> heh, no, it appears to not do self-hilighting
[05:19] <Keybuk> which is probably sensible
[05:20] <mdz> there are just way too many strings here
[05:20] <Keybuk> there's also the Private Message to Dialog
[05:21] <mdz> oh, how clever
[05:21] <Keybuk> and probably you want to change Your Message too
[05:21] <mdz> they don't take effect when you click "save"
[05:21] <mdz> or "ok"
[05:21] <mdz> you have to press enter in the text bxo
[05:21] <Keybuk> yeah, you have to press enter
[05:21] <Keybuk> silly innit
[05:22] <mdz> someone say my name
[05:22] <milli> mdz: my name
[05:22] <mdz> perfect
[05:22] <mdz> thanks
[05:23] <Keybuk> Company X-Chat Text Formatting: 1 hour
[05:23] <milli> lots of rope to play with in X-Chat
[06:16] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:18] <Keybuk> morning dude
[06:19] <lamont> checking for life_signs in -lkenny... no
[06:19] <lamont> oh my god! They killed kenny
[06:19] <lamont> You bastards
[06:19] <lamont> checking for main in -lz... yes
[06:21] <Keybuk> oh, dear
[06:21] <Keybuk> autoconf humour is so 1980s
[06:23] <jdub> yeah
[06:23] <jdub> but it makes a less depressing topic than libtool humour
[06:23] <ajmitch> what, you're saying that libtool is a joke? 
[06:25] <daniels> no, it's a fool
[06:46] <fabbione> mdz: ping?
[06:48] <mdz> fabbione: pong
[07:04] <fabbione> mdz: see /msg
[07:59] <fabbione> jbailey: ping?
[08:02] <fabbione> jbailey: ping?
[08:26] <fabbione> jammcq: ping?
[08:36] <pitti> Morning
[08:36] <mvo> monring pitti 
[08:36] <tepsipakki> how do I report a bug for a package that is in universe and not found on malone, either?
[08:36] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:37] <jammcq> fabbione: hey
[08:38] <fabbione> hey jammcq !
[08:38] <jammcq> what's going on?
[08:38] <fabbione> jammcq: may i disturb you a few minutes?
[08:39] <fabbione> if you have time..
[08:39] <\sh> tepsipakki: file a bug against malone to include the package
[08:39] <\sh> tepsipakki: or bug one of the launchpad guys in #launchpad
[08:39] <jammcq> umm, it's almost 3am here, my mind isn't fully functioning, but go ahead :)
[08:39] <\sh> morning gentlemen btw
[08:39] <mvo> morning \sh 
[08:39] <fabbione> jammcq: a friend of mine and I were searching 2/3 thinclients to buy to setup for our wifes (and one for me)..
[08:40] <fabbione> jammcq: i was wondering if you can put me in the right direction on where and what to buy
[08:40] <jammcq> ok
[08:40] <fabbione> jammcq: and if you have any idea on how much they cost
[08:40] <tepsipakki> sh: thanks, will do
[08:40] <jammcq> fabbione: well, my opinions are biased, cuz we sell them.  But my favorite is the T-150, it goes for $279
[08:41] <fabbione> jammcq: if you sell them it's even better :)
[08:41] <jammcq> it's got room inside for a 2.5" hd, or a pci card, or compact flash
[08:41] <fabbione> jammcq: do you have an URL where i can see it?
[08:41] <jammcq> http://www.DisklessWorkstations.Com
[08:42] <fabbione> jammcq: 150 or 105e ?
[08:42] <fabbione> meh.. 150e
[08:43] <jammcq> the 150 has PXE, the 150e has Etherboot
[08:43] <jammcq> PXE is prolly all you need
[08:43] <fabbione> yeah PXE is perfect
[08:43] <jammcq> yeah, plus it's 15 bucks cheaper :)
[08:43] <fabbione> it looks really neat
[08:43] <jammcq> yeah, nice and flexible.  it's a 533Mhz via.  If you want 1ghz, that would be the T-170
[08:44] <jammcq> basically the same box
[08:44] <fabbione> jammcq: does it make sense to have 1Ghz to execute stuff on a server?
[08:45] <jammcq> 1Ghz is a waste, if you want to just run the kernel and Xserver 
[08:45] <jammcq> which is what 99% of the ltsp people do
[08:45] <fabbione> that's what i tought
[08:46] <fabbione> jammcq: that's all i wanted to know :))))
[08:46] <jammcq> ok, with that.... I'm going to bed
[08:46] <jammcq> see you later
[08:46] <fabbione> jammcq: in case we decide to go, can i order them via you?
[08:46] <fabbione> sure.. good night :)
[08:46] <jammcq> order them on the site
[08:46] <jammcq> we ship anywhere
[08:46] <pef> hello
[08:46] <fabbione> jammcq: ok perfect..
[08:46] <jammcq> ciao
[08:47] <fabbione> jammcq: i was more interested to get them at UBZ to save some shipping money ;)
[08:47] <fabbione> ciao ciao
[08:47] <jammcq> ah
[08:47] <jammcq> yeah
[08:47] <jammcq> we can figure out a way to get some of them to CA, and let you carry them home with you
[08:48] <fabbione> jammcq: that'd be great, i will look and let you know :)
[08:48] <fabbione> thanks again
[08:48] <fabbione> and good night
[08:48] <jammcq> okie dokey
[08:48] <jammcq> see you later
[08:49] <fabbione> later
[08:56] <Keybuk> UBZ is probably too soon after release to get many CDs, if UDU was anything to go by
[08:56] <Keybuk> we had a few boxes, but not enough for more than one or two per person
[08:56] <Keybuk> gah, ww
[09:01] <fabbione> hmmm
[09:03] <pitti> Moin sabdfl 
[09:03] <sabdfl> moin moin
[09:04] <fabbione> morning sabdfl!
[09:05] <sabdfl> fabbione: what rocks in breezy land today?
[09:05] <Treenaks> sabdfl: normal rocks or crack rocks? ;)
[09:05] <fabbione> sabdfl: good test results from breezy install tests, livecd tests, hoary -> breezy upgrades...
[09:06] <fabbione> oh.. LTSP tests = teh r0ck!
[09:06] <fabbione> starting clustering tests right now
[09:06] <sabdfl> that's pretty rockful
[09:07] <Treenaks> my old laptop works (100 - winmodem)% out of the box :)
[09:07] <Treenaks> so that's at least 1
[09:07] <doko> Mithrandir: time for an ooo2-amd64 update?
[09:07] <fabbione> sabdfl: yeps.. looks pretty good
[09:08] <Treenaks> jdub: are you wrapping them up and putting ribbons around them as well? :)
[09:08] <fabbione> jdub: yeah.. it's pretty neat :)
[09:08] <Keybuk> Treenaks: knowing jdub, probably
[09:09] <jdub> yeah, have ribbon :)
[09:09] <jsgotangco> hmm the daily build today is wonderful
[09:09] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: *rsync*
[09:10] <jsgotangco> Treenaks, yup
[09:10] <Treenaks> I wonder where my utmp went though..
[09:10] <jsgotangco> i just use a rewritable for maximum cost efficiency on testing
[09:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:11] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: yeah, so do I 
[09:11] <Treenaks> they're a bit slow though
[09:11] <jsgotangco> true
[09:12] <jsgotangco> Treenaks, i still get #14007
[09:12] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: that's probably because Kamion is on honeymoon :)
[09:12] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: I added a few comments to the bug yesterday
[09:13] <jsgotangco> oohh i just updated a few minutes ago and now we have OOo2 updates :)
[09:14] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: could you test if the Gnome network tool thingy adds the "restricted" part in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:14] <jsgotangco> no it didnt i tried it
[09:14] <Treenaks> (I'm at work atm, so I'm not near my laptop..)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> i just tried that
[09:14] <jsgotangco> (i tried doing it first in gnome)
[09:15] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: could you file that bug? :)
[09:15] <sabdfl> doko: great work on the new openoffice
[09:15] <mdz> sabdfl: with launchpad integration, no less
[09:16] <doko> sabdfl: thanks, help packages will come next week
[09:16] <jsgotangco> err guys what is hpiod and hpssd for? it installed by default in the daily build
[09:16] <mdz> jsgotangco: drivers for HP printers
[09:16] <Keybuk> jsgotangco: HP printer things
[09:17] <bob2> lathiat: put your mdns stuff in debian already
[09:18] <mdz> jsgotangco: you tested the install CD or the live CD?
[09:18] <jsgotangco> mdz, install
[09:18] <jsgotangco> mdz, worked flawless except xresprobe
[09:19] <mdz> that's from the CD overflowing
[09:19] <mdz> I thought pitti dropped some more langpacks to make space, though...
[09:19] <Keybuk> oops
[09:19] <pitti> mdz: I did
[09:20] <mdz> pitti: at what time of day?
[09:20] <Keybuk> it's all those configurable x-chat strings
[09:20] <pitti> mdz: however, there are not yet 20050826 images
[09:20] <pitti> mdz: maybe 12 hours ago, when we talked about it
[09:20] <mdz> heh
[09:20] <mdz> the daily build is scheduled to run in 1 minute
[09:20] <mdz> 20 seconds
[09:20] <pitti> hehe
[09:20] <mdz> so I will not bother kicking off a manual build
[09:21] <pitti> mdz: I removed almost all langs but the "top 10", so please let me know if it still overflows
[09:22] <mdz> sabdfl: the badger is somewhat heavyset
[09:22] <Keybuk> what do badgers eat?
[09:22] <mdz> software developers
[09:22] <Treenaks> Keybuk: mushrooms?
[09:22] <mdz> schnaaakes?
[09:23] <mdz> that site is the #1 google hit for "badger"
[09:23] <mdz> but we are #4 for "breezy" ;-)
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> badgers eat mushrooms, but run from snakes
[09:24] <mdz> it all makes sense now
[09:24] <Keybuk> http://www.whatbadgerseat.com/
[09:25] <jdub> hrm, haven't seen the clint eastwood film though
[09:25] <mdz> I fully expected that to NXDOMAIN
[09:25] <mdz> but it didn't
[09:25] <doko> mdz: on the German google site breezy is #1 and #3, badger is #4
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> yes, w t f
[09:25] <Keybuk> no, that's quite bizarre
[09:25] <jdub> ha ha
[09:25] <Keybuk> it seems to be Simpsons related
[09:25] <jdub> "Breezy is a teen-aged hippy with a big heart. After taking a a ride with a man who only wants her for sex, Breezy manages to escape."
[09:26] <Keybuk> "breezy is a natural born show girl with lots of appeal and has outstanding coat
[09:26] <Keybuk> "
[09:26] <sabdfl> daniels: is it tricky to install the newer ati driver from source?
[09:27] <daniels> sabdfl: shouldn't be, no, as long as you have the headers for your kernel installed
[09:28] <jsgotangco> Breezy circa 1973?
[09:28] <jdub> http://www.dapper.com/ <- looks more like a joke company from GTA than a real clothing store
[09:28] <mdz> "breezy is now pregnant"
[09:28] <mdz> that explains why the CD overflowed
[09:29] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:29] <jdub> mdz: we'll have to slip by nine months :)
[09:29] <Treenaks> jdub: http://tinyurl.com/2emz3 (use babelfish if you don't understand)
[09:30] <daniels> sabdfl: they have a spiffy point-and-drool driver install now that spits out Ubunturific packages
[09:31] <sabdfl> daniels: seriously?
[09:31] <daniels> sdbyeah
[09:31] <daniels> er
[09:31] <daniels> sabdfl: ^^
[09:32] <sabdfl> hmm. cool.
[09:32] <Keybuk> "breezy is a hopeless single mother trying to scam a free place to live"
[09:32] <Keybuk> googlism is fun
[09:33] <\sh> http://www.beejaysworld.de/archives/52-I-dont-care-how-cool-Ubuntu-is!.html
[09:33] <\sh> this is a good one...I'm realy disappointed that it comes from a "known by me" gentoo dev
[09:33] <\sh> spreading FUD, he is frightend that ubuntu drains away gentoo devs ,-)
[09:33] <mvo> \sh: kick him hard
[09:34] <jsgotangco> dubious?
[09:34] <\sh> please read the PS
[09:34] <\sh> mvo: there is no need...many of the german gentoo devs are running ubuntu on their laptops *lol* or going to test it...
[09:35] <jdub> daniels: page only mentions RH and SUSE - has that changed?
[09:35] <\sh> but it has nothing to do with ubuntu as linux distribution
[09:35] <mvo> \sh: it was always beyond me why someone would want to run gentoo on a laptop
[09:35] <Keybuk> ask him to make the "Ubuntu" a link to www.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <Keybuk> otherwise looks like a fairly common blog post in some quarters
[09:35] <Keybuk> :)
[09:35] <daniels> jdub: spits out packages for != supports
[09:35] <\sh> mvo: I ran it for quite a while
[09:35] <Treenaks> Keybuk: breezy is a very sensible girl
[09:36] <Keybuk> there were a lot of Debian posts like that 6 months ago, thankfully Debian seems a little fluffier towards us recently
[09:36] <HrdwrBoB> \sh: just because everyone tells me it's good, doesn't mean it's good, and even if it is, I don't like it waaaaah
[09:36] <\sh> HrdwrBoB: there is no such thing like "good distribution" or "bad distribution"
[09:37] <jdub> daniels: debs?
[09:37] <\sh> HrdwrBoB: I'm old enough to judge only on this: "it works" or "it doesn't work" and I need my OS "just working" so..."insert cd and be happy"
[09:37] <pitti> doko: here?
[09:37] <HrdwrBoB> \sh: that's where it's at
[09:38] <daniels> jdub: yes
[09:38] <doko> pitti: 30minutes
[09:38] <daniels> jdub: the installer wraps everything up -- including the kernel module it just built -- into a nice little deb
[09:38] <mdz> Keybuk: that's because they've gotten a taste of true evil
[09:38] <mvo> daniels: does it work well?
[09:39] <Keybuk> mdz: you mean your singing? :)
[09:39] <jdub> mdz: we should've had UBZ in vancouver
[09:39] <daniels> mvo: don't know, I don't use binary drivers
[09:39] <jdub> and nicknamed it UVP
[09:39] <daniels> vp?
[09:39] <jdub> vancouver prospectus :)
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu versus predator?
[09:39] <jsgotangco> hah
[09:40] <daniels> jesus
[09:40] <daniels> no thanks, we don't need any more cabalisms
[09:40] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: no match, dude.
[09:40] <Treenaks> daniels: I have to use the binary driver on my TestingTeam laptop
[09:40] <jsgotangco> vancouver party?
[09:40] <Treenaks> vancouver purge?
[09:40] <Keybuk> Vancouver Proposal wasn't it?
[09:40] <daniels> Treenaks: the ati one?  is it an x300?
[09:41] <daniels> Treenaks: if so, I'm debugging that particular hilarity with mjg59
[09:41] <Keybuk> though it's Vancouver II: Helsinki (this time, it's personal)
[09:41] <daniels> Treenaks: but he's a student, so he's not awake yet
[09:41] <daniels> daniels@ephemera:~/canonical/xorg/monolith/xorg-6.8.2/debian/patches/merge% wc -l * | tail -1
[09:41] <Treenaks> daniels: No, it's a FireGL V5000 or something
[09:41] <daniels>   570 total
[09:41] <daniels> ^ code patches we have to xorg not merged upstream
[09:41] <Treenaks> daniels: but it's PCIE too
[09:41] <daniels> Treenaks: hm.  does XaaNoScreenToScreenCopy and XaaNoSolidFillRect (device section) fix it?
[09:42] <Treenaks> daniels: it doesn't crash, it just looks like a sync problem
[09:42] <Treenaks> (yes, on an LCD)
[09:42] <Treenaks> daniels: I'll post a Xorg.0.log tonight, it does complain a bit
[09:43] <daniels> Treenaks: ah, bong
[09:43] <Treenaks> something about guessing dotclocks :)
[09:43] <Mithrandir> doko: is m125 in yet?
[09:43] <infinity> Mithrandir : yes.
[09:43] <pitti> Hi carlos 
[09:44] <carlos> pitti, hi
[09:44] <doko> Mithrandir: yes, some more things ...
[09:45] <doko> Mithrandir: new libs for ia32-libs: portaudio at least
[09:46] <doko> Mithrandir: OOo1 currently doesn't run, don't know, if you did drop some libs, but it would be good to have that again
[09:46] <Mithrandir> doko: I didn't drop any libraries, no.
[09:47] <doko> Mithrandir: strange, maybe just an OOo1 update should be enough
[09:47] <doko> Mithrandir: martink did suggest adding the gtk2-engines to ia32-libs-openoffice for the font problem
[09:48] <doko> see http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/Screenshot.png
[09:48] <Mithrandir> doko: for what font problem?
[09:48] <Mithrandir> doko: ah, never seen that one.
[09:48] <doko> it's amd64 only
[09:50] <doko> Mithrandir: not sure, if it's related to the gtk updates, but recent libs shouldn't hurt
[09:52] <mdz> pitti: CD 1 will only be filled with 619844588 bytes ...
[09:53] <Mithrandir> mdz: yay
[09:53] <Mithrandir> mdz: please tell me when it's ready for testing.
[09:53] <pitti> mdz: ok, so I can add some more packs after UI/translation freeze, good :)
[09:54] <mdz> Mithrandir: waiting for jigdo *snore*
[09:54] <pitti> mdz: jigdo is essential... :-)
[09:54] <mdz> jigdo is a waste of time
[09:55] <Mithrandir> any reason we don't use Sledge's patches to make mkisofs spit out jigdo as it goes?
[09:55] <mdz> it takes several minutes to run for each image
[09:55] <mdz> x8 images = too long
[09:56] <mdz> Mithrandir: I'm thinking of uploading a jigdo which quietly uses rsync instead
[09:56] <Mithrandir> heh
[09:57] <mdz> cdimage   7199 44.1  0.7  23048 16012 ?        R    08:51   2:29 jigdo-file
[09:57] <mdz> that's been running for 7 minutes working on one iso
[09:57] <mjg59> mdz: Hi
[09:57] <mdz> more time is wasted during the CD builds than anyone saves on downloads :-P
[09:57] <mdz> mjg59: good morning
[09:58] <infinity> Spoken as a man who's never lived in Australia.
[09:58] <infinity> WE HAVE NO BANDWIDTH, HAVE PITY ON US!
[09:58] <daniels> yes.
[09:58] <opi> hi guys
[09:58] <pitti> mdz: it's the way that saves most bandwith, for us quota-impaired folks...
[09:59] <Mithrandir> pitti: hmm, doesn't rsync work just as well?
[09:59] <pitti> Mithrandir: nope
[09:59] <mdz> I don't see how it saves bandwidth
[09:59] <mdz> compared to rsync
[09:59] <pitti> Mithrandir: jigdo can additionally scan /var/cache/apt/archives, dvd images, CDs from other arches
[09:59] <pitti> mdz: ^ 
[09:59] <mdz> you need to use bandwidth to keep your mirror up-to-date
[10:00] <infinity> Right, but you don't have to use it twice, then, do you?
[10:00] <mjg59> mdz: You were after me last night
[10:00] <infinity> If you have a mess of packages that may be jigdo-useable, why re-download them to get a CD?
[10:00] <mdz> mjg59: ah
[10:00] <daniels> mdz: yes, which solves the problem of CDs and actual use of systems in a single swoop
[10:00] <pitti> infinity: I tried apt-cacher, but it's broken
[10:00] <mdz> mjg59: when you said it was time to finish usplash, did you mean "I am going to do it" or "I know that it needs to be done but someone else needs to do it"?
[10:01] <infinity> Alos, you can jigdo from "quota-free zones" where people rnu Ubuntu package mirrors, but not CD mirrors.
[10:01] <infinity> Lots of providers here have certain peering links that are quota-free, and it's nice to not leave that network if you don't have to.
[10:01] <daniels> (given that we actually get metered on our bandwidth usage as well as getting shit-all in terms of speed.)
[10:02] <mdz> unless you mirror only what's on the CD, you end up downloading a lot of extra stuff you don't need
[10:02] <pitti> infinity: another thing is that rsync is much slower than http here (QoS on my provider's side)
[10:02] <daniels> mdz: err, between an X maintainer and a buildd maintainer who also does a lot of transitions, I'm willing to bet the entire archive has been apt-get source'd and upgraded by now
[10:02] <mdz> I will come and visit each of you, and feed out a spool of cat5 behind me as I go
[10:02] <infinity> HTTP is QoSed higher than everything else?... I guess that makes sense when your core business is running an ISP for mom and dad surfing eBay...
[10:02] <pitti> mdz: yay :)
[10:02] <daniels> mdz: (not to mention, amd64 x2, i386 x2, powerpc x2, sparc x1.)
[10:03] <mjg59> mdz: I'm not sure I especially want to upload critical lsb type stuff
[10:03] <pitti> infinity: they slow down all high ports to keep P2P under control
[10:03] <pitti> infinity: and apparently also rsync
[10:03] <daniels> morning sebarino
[10:03] <infinity> mjg59 : I'll attack LSB for me, just feed me pretty patches and I'll look them over and take the rap for breaking it. :)
[10:03] <mdz> Diziet: ping
[10:04] <infinity> pitti : Ahh, that makes sense.  rsync-over-unencrypted-ssh? :)
[10:04] <mjg59> infinity: Basically, the log_* calls just need to call usplash_write with appropriate arguments
[10:04] <pitti> infinity: some of this works, yes; but jigdo is so much faster and easier, so why bother? :-)
[10:04] <daniels> infinity: either that, or just tunnel to chinstrap and rsync from there.
[10:05] <daniels> although elmo may kill you
[10:05] <infinity> mjg59 : Might be nice if I knew what those appropriate args were. ;)
[10:06] <infinity> mjg59 : And what's our scientific method for determining if we're in a splash environment or not?  Or does usplash_write take care of echoing to the terminal if the splash is dead?
[10:07] <daniels> infinity: whether or not 'splash' (or 'usplash') is passed on the kernel boot line
[10:07] <infinity> daniels : Uhm, that's not helpful in the least.
[10:08] <infinity> daniels : In the boot case, the splash could die, and I'd like output.  But more importantly, those same calls are made from init scripts at runtime when I do /etc/init.d/foo restart on the command line.
[10:08] <mdz> infinity: usplash_write silently fails if usplash isn't running
[10:08] <mdz> infinity: so you just need to be sure to keep going if usplash_write isn't around or fails in some weird way
[10:08] <infinity> "silently"?... No return code I can check?
[10:09] <infinity> How do I get output from an init script when I invoke it manually, then?
[10:09] <mjg59> infinity: usplash_write will deal
[10:09] <mjg59> Don't replace anything, just add a usplash_write
[10:09] <mdz> infinity: you don't care if it fails; just keep going
[10:09] <mjg59> (if it exists and it executable)
[10:09] <infinity> Oh, right.  Wasn't on the same wavelength.
[10:09] <infinity> I output to the console and usplash.  Check.
[10:10] <infinity> I should start drinking coffee in the "mornings"...
[10:10] <opi> infinity: It's good for you. :-)
[10:10] <mdz> infinity: if this bit goes well, there are apparently hooks for a progress bar as well
[10:10] <daniels> opi: yes, and then kills you when you come off it
[10:10] <mdz> mjg59: does the progress bar stuff work?
[10:10] <infinity> mjg59 : Alright, will hack at lsb in a bit, remove vga= from my cmdline, and see what happens.
[10:11] <infinity> mjg59 : Oh wait, does usplash_write actually work yet
[10:11] <infinity> mjg59 : ?
[10:11] <mdz> infinity: yes
[10:11] <mdz> the message drawing stuff works; I tested it
[10:11] <infinity> Alright, cool.  Will make changes and test, then.
[10:11] <opi> infinity: life will kill you eventually ;>
[10:11] <mdz> but I didn't mess with the progress stuff
[10:11] <infinity> All in good time.  We have no progress bars now either, so no loss if they're not there in the first try.
[10:13] <mjg59> infinity: Yes
[10:13] <mjg59> infinity: README.usplash has the commands
[10:13] <infinity> mjg59 : Rock.
[10:13] <mjg59> Don't worry about making it look perfect yet, we can worry about that later
[10:13] <infinity> Now I kiss my 1400x1050 vesafb goodbye for a few days while I polish this, I guess.
[10:16] <opi> morning sabdfl
[10:16] <Treenaks> mdz: is the CD build done yet?
[10:17] <mdke> siretart, i've had no response from the debian maintainer about updating ddclient :(
[10:17] <siretart> mdke: :(
[10:17] <mdke> siretart, is there nothing that can be done?
[10:19] <siretart> mdke: can you prepare a package for that?
[10:19] <mdke> siretart, no :/
[10:19] <mdke> i don't know how
[10:22] <siretart> mdke: I'd suggest asking in #ubuntu-motu someone with enough time to do that. But updating stuff is not our priority right now
[10:23] <infinity> mjg59 : I assume we need/want to QUIT usplash in an init script right before [gk] dm launch?
[10:23] <mjg59> infinity: No, it catches the VT switch
[10:23] <infinity> Ahh, so QUIT is mostly for testing?
[10:23] <mdke> siretart, ok i will try!
[10:23] <mjg59> infinity: Yeah
[10:24] <infinity> mjg59 : Excellent.
[10:25] <jsgotangco> hey AndyFitz 
[10:26] <AndyFitz> g'day jsgotangco
[10:29] <mdz> Treenaks: yes
[10:29] <mdz> pitti: CD build is done
[10:29] <mdz> Mithrandir: ^^
[10:30] <jsgotangco> nice
[10:30] <Mithrandir> mdz: yay, I'll test it RSN, then.
[10:30] <mdz> pitti: looks like powerpc overflowed
[10:30] <mdz> CD 2 will only be filled with 4333104 bytes ...
[10:33] <Mithrandir> mjg59: the x86emu version and the lrmi version are running different interrupts, but both seem to work in 32 bit mode at least.
[10:34] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Right. They really shouldn't be running different interrupts.
[10:36] <Mithrandir> mjg59: hmkay.
[10:37] <mjg59> But I'm not sure how to track down why they are doing so
[10:37] <mjg59> Other than disassembling your video BIOS...
[10:38] <Mithrandir> heh
[10:38] <Mithrandir> I'd like not to.
[10:40] <sivang> morning all
[10:41] <sivang> seb128: Bon Jour :)
[10:42] <mae> Err I'm not sure if this will be very helpful to you guys, but I am testing out breezy colony-3 .. i have the latest up-to-the-minute packages installed.  So far I have noticed: Totem/Rhythmbox/Sound-Juicer _all_ crash right when you start them.. I was wondering If this is maybe a localized bug to my system or if others were experiencing the same thing
[10:42] <seb128> sivang: hi
[10:43] <mdke> mae, things are working here
[10:43] <mae> hrmm
[10:43] <mae> ok i'll try a settings wipe
[10:43] <sivang> seb128: I got over that problem I was having, I was breaking the order of pathches to configure (there was more then one) so whem I fixed that, it worked.
[10:43] <seb128> k
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hmmm it seems the graphics for the update-manager notification is messed up?
[10:44] <mvo> jsgotangco: yes, #14006
[10:44] <seb128> how so?
[10:44] <mvo> iz gtk bug :p
[10:44] <seb128> oh, that
[10:44] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:44] <seb128> hey mvo :)
[10:44] <mvo> hey seb128!
[10:45] <{Seb}> jbailey told me a command a while ago to create a *.img file with initramfs
[10:45] <{Seb}> and i've forgotten it
[10:45] <{Seb}> i'm on rescue mode and need to generate a new one
[10:45] <jdub> mkinitramfs -o <file>
[10:46] <{Seb}> that's the one jdub :-)
[10:46] <{Seb}> thanls
[10:46] <{Seb}> just the initramfs included with Colony 3 buggers up my laptop
[10:46] <{Seb}> since it is missing the atiixp module which jbailey has fixed in the latest initramfs-tools
[10:47] <sivang> is it too soon to plan BOFs for UBZ ?
[10:48] <AndyFitz> infinity:  you're not the only one .   sadly the icon theme in gnome can't replace this...   I'll send the pixmap to you if you can make it happen
[10:49] <AndyFitz> heh id like to see the day that ubuntu-artwork uses  replaces on gnome-panel  or gaim rather
[10:49] <infinity> AndyFitz : I can make it happen for Ubuntu, so long as someone doesn't cosider it a "frozen feature"  (I assume it would be subject to the artwork deadline, though)
[10:50] <infinity> The icon is probably compile dinto the GAIM binary, so won't be in -artwork.  That's just a guess, though.
[10:50] <mae> Is the breezy usplash supposed to be "ugly" at this point?  All I get on startup is a really rough ubuntu logo with low color and a fuzzy white box at the bottom which is blank :)
[10:50] <infinity> I'll look at it when I have a round tuit, if you want to mail me the pixmap.
[10:50] <Mithrandir> mae: yes.
[10:50] <infinity> mae : Deuglification is in the works as we speak.
[10:50] <mae> Mithrandir, ahh ok good :) I wanted to make sure that wasn't a bug
[10:50] <infinity> mae : But it's currently supposed to do pretty much nothing, yes.
[10:51] <Mithrandir> mae: well, it's a bug, but we're working on it.  More of a "not implemented completely yet" thing, actually.
[10:51] <infinity> AndyFitz : ---^
[10:51] <AndyFitz> infinity. there are 4 states of that icon.  that would be really easy to make up considering I already have the 24x24 version of the gaim icon
[10:52] <mae> Mithrandir, right, if it was a bug for maybe my hardware I wanted to report it, thats all :)
[10:52] <infinity> AndyFitz : Mail me what you've got.  I'd like to see it suck less.  Well, it doesn't currently "suck", it just sticks out like a sore thumb next t oeveyrthint else up there.
[10:53] <AndyFitz> jdub,  whatever happened to  16x16, 22x22 and 24x24 pixel versions of the ubuntu logo with alpha for the panel 
[10:56] <AndyFitz> infinity, pm me your email
[10:56] <infinity> adconrad@ubuntu.com
[10:56] <infinity> It's not much of a secret. :)
[10:58] <AndyFitz> lol
[11:07] <sivang> jdub: re: CHRP ubuntu booting, I expect to be releasing something at work on monday, so I'll have more time on my hands, I may try the cherry-picking Colin suggested, between the flags we use and RH do in their mkisofs scripts... hopefully a booting image will come out.
[11:07] <jdub> sivang: dude! was just about to ping you
[11:07] <jdub> sivang: so opensuse just released a PPC build that works on pSeries
[11:08] <bob2> you have a pSeries to test it on?
[11:08] <jdub> yeah
[11:08] <sivang> bob2: I do, but not at home.
[11:08] <jdub> it is sitting on the coffee table
[11:09] <infinity> jdub : Dude, want to send it to Melbourne for safe keeping?
[11:09] <bob2> it IS the coffee table!
[11:09] <sivang> jdub: well, that's interesting. They finally allowed the community to use the stuff they put in SLES9 :)
[11:09] <jdub> naw, it's just a 2U, very light
[11:09] <jdub> it has matrox!
[11:10] <sivang> jdub: I'd say they have identified someone doing things in a specific direction, and try not to be left out :)
[11:10] <jdub> :)
[11:10] <sivang> hey guys, there a line.. I asked jdub first :)
[11:14] <siretart> bob2: ping. Any news about lyx?
[11:16] <Mithrandir> mjg59: so, after the first instruction, the state looks the same, except eflags differ (which I think is significant, but I'm unable to find a comprehensive guide on the different eflags' meanings) and the esp is different, but I assume that can be ignored?
[11:19] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ah, iopl seems to be missing.  I'll see if I can hack around that.
[11:19] <mjg59> Mithrandir: eflags can probably be ignored, but it implies that we may not be setting it equivilently
[11:19] <mjg59> Oh. Uhm?
[11:28] <mvo> I get a /etc/hotplug/net.rc conffile question on hoary->breezy upgrade. is this a known issue?
[11:33] <seb128> grep: /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.8.la: No such file or directory
[11:33] <seb128> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.8.la: No such file or directory
[11:33] <seb128> damn
[11:34] <seb128> and "grep -i gtkhtml /usr/lib/*.la" or "grep -r -i gtkhtml *" on the source package returns nothing
[11:35] <seb128> where does evolution-exchange picks that!
[11:35] <seb128> /usr/lib/evolution/2.4/*.la ... grumpf!
[11:38] <Mithrandir> mjg59: uhm on the stack pointer thing?
[11:38] <{Seb}> when i run run mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.12-386 from the rescue shell
[11:38] <{Seb}> nothing is generated
[11:38] <sivang> jdub: check if that opensuse can be used as a VIOServer for that matter, if it does then you can save the costs of buying AIX VIOServer, and then when you'll have the HMC You could have 3 ubuntu version running in parallerl, + one for building.
[11:38] <jordi> pitti: I have a mission for you.
[11:38] <{Seb}> it says "cpio: ./initrad.img-2.6.12-6-386: mtime changed during copy-out"
[11:38] <pitti> jordi: ?
[11:39] <sivang> jdub: btw, it just hit me :) the hmc is built to be administrated from remote over a net.
[11:39] <{Seb}> any ideas why?
[11:40] <jordi> pitti: so the Asturian guys are going to translate Ubuntu, but they lack a locale definition.
[11:40] <jordi> pitti: Carlos tells me that if Breezy has no langpack for ast, it won't be in the release at all.
[11:40] <pitti> jordi: we can create a langpack for them 
[11:41] <jordi> Can we create an empty one, until I write (or find) a locale data file for ast to get included later on the langpack?
[11:41] <carlos> pitti, will you do that post release?
[11:41] <jordi> pitti: it would be mostly empty at release time
[11:41] <mjg59> Mithrandir: On the iopl thing
[11:42] <pitti> carlos: probably not, no NEW packages in -updates
[11:42] <carlos> pitti, that's what I thought
[11:43] <jordi> pitti: ok, so if it could be added before the release, even if it has little or no content, we could work around that.
[11:44] <jordi> pitti: also, they have no locale data, but I'm willing to write it for them.
[11:44] <jordi> Would that fit (/usr/share/i18n/locale/ast_ES) in a langpack?
[11:45] <Diziet> Morning, people.
[11:46] <pitti> jordi: uh, there is not even an official locale for it? darn,
[11:46] <pitti> I thought you meant an official langpack
[11:46] <pitti> Hi Diziet 
[11:47] <carlos> jordi, perhaps you should provide that language pack as an unofficial version and add it officially for breezy+1...
[11:48] <jordi> pitti, carlos: if I can do something to make their breezy translations usable for breezy, I'd like to do it.
[11:49] <jordi> pitti: I could try to write the file over the weekend, if it's not late to such patch in ubuntu's glibc.
[11:49] <pitti> add a locale? that shouldn't bee too problematic
[11:49] <pitti> however, it also requires installer changes
[11:49] <seb128> jordi: you patch the libc now, scary :p
[11:49] <lathiat> bob2: i cant put it in debian, because need of dbus 0.3x and python2.4-gtk2, i think 0.3x is in experiemntal but python2.4-gtk2 is not
[11:49] <lathiat> bob2: will be i breezy shortly however
[11:49] <jordi> seb128: evo was boring enough :)
[11:50] <jordi> pitti: I could talk to Kamion about that.
[11:50] <seb128> jordi: dunno if you noticed yesterday but people start pinging you about evo issues :)
[11:50] <jordi> seb128: I saw them, and I decided to keep quiet because I don't know what they are talking about
[11:50] <seb128> haha
[11:50] <seb128> sucker :p
[11:50] <jordi> seb128: GNOME crashes in Debian seem to be generalised though. Is it something about the C++ transition or what?
[11:51] <seb128> you want to maintain evo, just assume now, BE A MAN
[11:51] <jordi> pitti: but even if di has no ast support for breezy, having the langpack would be good. They can install in Spanish, use it in Asturian or wrhatever for now.
[11:51] <seb128> jordi: what crash? There is no special activity on the alioth list ...
[11:51] <jordi> They won't have time to translate the installer anyway.
[11:51] <pitti> jordi: right
[11:52] <jordi> seb128: there was a guy asking about random crashes here and there the other day, and I've seen others.
[11:52] <pitti> jordi: so if you want to do the glibc change (send it to jbailey) to add the locale, I'll build langpacks
[11:52] <jordi> maybe it's glibc
[11:52] <jordi> nano is crashing now too.
[11:52] <jordi> pitti: great. What's my deadline?
[11:53] <sivang> pitti:<curious> what sort of libc changes adding the locale requires? </curious>
[11:53] <seb128> pitti: have you planned a language-pack update? We have GNOME 2.11.92 complet, would be nice to give a translation update for translators
[11:53] <jordi> sivang: adding a file with some data about the language.
[11:54] <jordi> sivang: see /usr/share/i18n/locales/he_IL
[11:56] <sivang> jordi: libc takes it's locale sepcific data from there? 
[12:04] <sivang> seb128: patching one of gnome-panle, opens the gnome-panel page in launchpad - is this correct? (IMHO it is, since it's part of that package, and if it opens gnome-applets for it's applets, that's also fine)
[12:04] <Mithrandir> mjg59: also, the VM and AC flags are set in LRMI mode, but appears not to be set in x86emu mode.
[12:04] <sivang> (I just did the clock applet)
[12:06] <jordi> sivang: that text file gets compiled with localedef, yes.
[12:08] <mjg59> Mithrandir: I'd guess that the VM flag signifies that it's in cm86 mode. Not sure about the AC flag.
[12:09] <Mithrandir> mjg59: AC : Alignment Check. Set if alignment checking in of memory references are done.  ; that can probably be ignored
[12:09] <Mithrandir> mjg59: but shouldn't the vm flag be set the same in both occasions?
[12:09] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Uhm. Well, in one case we're in vm86 mode, in the other we aren't
[12:09] <mjg59> You could try setting it, I guess?
[12:14] <seb128> sivang: what applet?
[12:14] <{Seb}> with the latest g-v-m, the cd mounting is buggered up
[12:14] <{Seb}> i can't eject CDs
[12:14] <{Seb}> i can't mount CDs
[12:14] <pitti> {Seb}: g-v-m doesn't eject
[12:15] <pitti> eject is broken on i386 for some time already, pro'lly a kernel problem
[12:15] <pitti> I will take a look at that soon
[12:15] <{Seb}> but it physically won't do it
[12:15] <pitti> {Seb}: however, mounting should work
[12:15] <pitti> can you please file a but about the mounting?
[12:15] <{Seb}> but the drives won't eject so i can't get a disk in ;-)
[12:15] <{Seb}> yeh
[12:15] <pitti> right
[12:15] <pitti> there's already a bug
[12:16] <{Seb}> oh bugger, i can't get my disk out :-(
[12:17] <sivang> seb128: clock applet
[12:17] <seb128> that's a gnome-panel applet, it's correct
[12:18] <jdub> pitti: thought - the sound capplet device list doesn't include subdevices
[12:18] <sivang> seb128: cool, then all left is to patch the remaning applets. I just hope that gnome-panel product in launchapd will include the aplets that come with it
[12:18] <pitti> jdub: hm
[12:19] <jdub> pitti: to get spdif output on my nforce device, i use a subdevice
[12:19] <jdub> just a thought :)
[12:19] <seb128> sivang: there is one .po for all the gnome-panel binaries 
[12:19] <sivang> seb128: cool
[12:19] <sivang> seb128: then we're set
[12:19] <seb128> pitti: did you reply to my language-pack update question?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> mjg59: hm, no, since x86emu only gives us 16 bit, it doesn't have eflags, just flags.  AIUI?
[12:20] <seb128> jdub: do you know who the heck did change #commits on gnome IRC?
[12:20] <jdub> seb128: no, don't know anything about it
[12:20] <seb128> bah, thanks anyway
[12:20] <jdub> seb128: oh
[12:20] <jdub> does the change involve getting too many commit messages?
[12:21] <sivang> for laptop testing team, does anyone has a good suggestion for a machine that would be useful for testing? (I'm planning to get myself a laptop of my own, finally)
[12:21] <seb128> jdub: they changed it to CIA like the freenode #commits
[12:21] <jdub> oh, no idea
[12:21] <seb128> jdub: which sucks a lot, I would /j the freenode one if I wanted to know what gentoo partages are changed by example :p
[12:21] <jdub> sivang: the problem with that question, is that the only kind of laptop worth suggesting for testing is one that doesn't work very well :)
[12:22] <jsgotangco> hah
[12:22] <jsgotangco> Toshiba with SATA
[12:22] <sivang> jdub: hehe, well, if it allows me to use mutt , connect to network, and hack on code that's enough, plus those usually have really neaty feature usually :)
[12:23] <sivang> jdub: I wish I pegasos would have released their ppc laptop already, that would be a good candidate
[12:23] <sivang> s/I//
[12:25] <sivang> jsgotangco: you have a link?
[12:26] <Mithrandir> mjg59: hmm, is it on purpose that you don't call X86EMU_setupMemFuncs
[12:33] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Not sure
[12:35] <Mithrandir> mjg59: which means? :-)
[12:35] <mjg59> Mithrandir: I can't remember :)
[12:45] <pitti> seb128: which question again?
[12:46] <seb128> pitti: <seb128> pitti: have you planned a language-pack update? We have GNOME 2.11.92 complet, would be nice to give a translation update for translators
[12:46] <pitti> seb128: oh, I didn't even see that, sorry
[12:47] <seb128> np
[12:47] <pitti> seb128: yes, I can update them
[12:47] <pitti> seb128: I will see how big updates will get, maybe I do new base packages
[12:47] <seb128> cool, thanks
[12:52] <carlos> pitti, after the first review of the diff you gave me, the only problem is the missing whitespace problem, the extra plural form header and the format change (the msgstr "foo" vs. msgstr ""\n"foo" ), the other changes are related to template updates
[12:53] <carlos> pitti, also, could I get the list of missing .po files you told me ?
[12:53] <mjg59> elmo: I keep getting mailed whenever dasher is uploaded (since I'm the Debian maintainer)
[12:53] <carlos> if it's easy to get
[12:53] <pitti> I already gave it to you, not?
[12:53] <carlos> pitti, not by email
[12:53] <carlos> and I don't remember an URL either
[12:54] <pitti> carlos: oh, sorry, lemme find it
[12:54] <lathiat> infinity: can you give back doodle for i386
[12:54] <Diziet> Hrm, this conffile bug (#108587) is harder to fix than it looks.
[12:55] <pitti> carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/rosetta-breezy-missing.txt
[12:55] <carlos> pitti, thanks
[01:00] <mvo> elmo: please sync scite from debian/incoming
[01:02] <carlos> pitti, sabdfl thinks we should be able to add new languagepacks after release
[01:02] <carlos> pitti, so new packages could appear after final release...
[01:02] <pitti> well, if langpack-selector supports this... mvo, does it?
[01:02] <pitti> mvo: do we need to update its list for new languages?
[01:02] <mvo> pitti: uh, good question
[01:03] <carlos> pitti, mvo perhaps with an update to langpack-selector....
[01:03] <mvo> let me look at the code
[01:03] <carlos> pitti, perhaps glibc or language packs should provide that list...
[01:03] <pitti> carlos: locales does already, in some sense -> /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[01:04] <pitti> mvo: do you use that list and just check whether a langpack for that language is actually available?
[01:05] <mvo> pitti: I use the iso639 language list and check if a matching langpack can be found in the cache
[01:05] <mvo> the language file has 187 entries
[01:05] <pitti> mvo: ok, that should be fine
[01:05] <pitti> thanks
[01:05] <mvo> np
[01:05] <pitti> carlos: yes, then it should be fine
[01:06] <carlos> pitti, ok, thanks
[01:21] <jordi> pitti: so if a new langpack has no entry in SUPPORTED, will it be usabel?
[01:21] <jordi> usable
[01:22] <pitti> jordi: well, the locale needs to be created as well, so it should be in SUPPORTED
[01:22] <pitti> jordi: I don't know whether locale-gen will barf if it's not there
[01:22] <jordi> pitti: can locales be added to breezy post release?
[01:22] <pitti> no, please no libc 
[01:22] <jordi> hehe
[01:23] <jordi> another reason Debian and Ubuntu need to move to belocs
[01:23] <pitti> jordi: I recently killed my server (ssh broke) with a libc upgrade - they are painful
[01:23] <jordi> nod
[01:24] <jordi> when/if we base stuff on belocs-locales and ignore glibc locales, adding/modifying locales will be a piece of cake
[01:24] <jordi> and won't affect libc in any way
[01:27] <carlos> jordi, is that the only change?
[01:27] <carlos> jordi, or do we get other improvements?
[01:28] <jordi> carlos: sure. belocs-locales is not managed by Drepper, which means speedy fixes/additions.
[01:28] <carlos> jordi, X-)
[01:28] <jordi> a correct Serbia and Montenegro locale, etc.
[01:28] <jordi> you know, stuff that should have happened 4 years ago.
[01:29] <carlos> so we have the same information and limitations but that is updated more often...
[01:30] <jordi> pitti's "no libc please" limitation is gone. To update thel ocale data, you don't need to recompile or touch glibc in any way.
[01:30] <jordi> That's a *major* win
[01:34] <pitti> infinity: bah, I still get broken translation tarballs - do the 64 bit archs export langpacks again?
[01:37] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I'm wondering if the memory mapping is totally off and if that's just the problem.
[01:38] <mjg59> Mithrandir: It's possible
[01:38] <Mithrandir> mjg59: since just now I get fun errors from gdb like: Cannot access memory at address 0xc000
[01:40] <tseng> seb128: it looks like ill need to make some patches for the gtk-sharp gtkhtml3.8 mess
[01:40] <tseng> seb128: update autoconf stuff
[01:47] <seb128> tseng: what mess?
[01:47] <tseng> seb128: gtkhtml wont build with gtkhtml3.8, it doesnt have proper autotools love.
[01:48] <tseng> er, gtk-sharp
[01:48] <seb128> it looks for 3.6?
[01:48] <tseng> yes
[01:48] <Mithrandir> mjg59: especially given that I don't think x86emu really cares about iopl.  So that is probably a wrong lead.
[01:48] <seb128> that's just a matter to changing the configure.ac and running autoconf probably
[01:48] <tseng> yes
[01:49] <pitti> infinity: *headdesk* I know the reason for the broken tarballs - if you are still here, do you have a minute?
[01:50] <pitti> carlos: did it occur to you that some stripped tarballs don't have mo files?
[01:50] <pitti> carlos: I use them to determine domain names, do you use them at all?
[01:51] <carlos> usually, if they don't have .mo files
[01:51] <carlos> is because the .po files are not used by gettext directly
[01:51] <carlos> I usually disable those ones so are not exported inside the language packs
[01:51] <pitti> nope
[01:51] <pitti> carlos: e. g. the latest control-center package
[01:51] <carlos> pitti, like pkg-config .po files
[01:52] <pitti> carlos: in some versions, the tarball has mo files, in some not
[01:52] <carlos> pitti, dude, after the build we should have *always* .mo files
[01:52] <pitti> carlos: and c-c uses gettext normally
[01:52] <pitti> carlos: right, and I just found out why some of them haven't
[01:53] <carlos> pitti, does it means the build is not generating those .mo files?
[01:53] <pitti> carlos: IF a package exports mo files in an Arch: all package, AND any buildd is slower than the i386 one, THEN the tarball will be overwritten since !i386 does not build arch-all
[01:53] <pitti> carlos: and the latest tarball always wins
[01:54] <carlos> pitti, .mo files are not arch specific
[01:54] <pitti> carlos: we already had a similar problem in the past, 64 bit machines claimed to have no locale support
[01:54] <carlos> so all archs should have those, right?
[01:54] <pitti> carlos: right
[01:54] <carlos> oh
[01:54] <pitti> carlos: that's why some packages ship them in arch:all
[01:54] <carlos> I thought lamont did a fix for that...
[01:54] <pitti> carlos: i. e. there is an arch: all capplets-data
[01:54] <pitti> carlos: we circumvented the 64 bit issue
[01:54] <pitti> carlos: the 64 bit archs just don't export their tarballs
[01:54] <pitti> but that sucks
[01:55] <carlos> anyway, I don't get your point, sorry
[01:55] <pitti> carlos: eventually, we should either export per-arch tarballs (possible for Rosetta?) or let the biggest one win, instead of the latest one
[01:55] <pitti> carlos: nevermind, I will fix that with infinity
[01:55] <carlos> I still don't understand what's the problem with latest one...
[01:56] <carlos> if the 64bit build is fixed...
[01:56] <pitti> carlos: only i386 builds arch:all packages
[01:56] <pitti> carlos: so if powerpc builds control-center later, then in that build there will not be *any* mo files
[01:56] <pitti> because it doesn't build capplets-data
[01:56] <carlos> then, the other archs will not overwrite it...
[01:56] <carlos> oh!
[01:56] <carlos> I understand it...
[01:57] <pitti> carlos: but if i386 (which has mo) is earlier, then it will be overwritten
[01:57] <pitti> carlos: tricky, right?
[01:57] <carlos> pitti, anyway, It's not a big issue
[01:57] <pitti> carlos: it is, it breaks my scripts
[01:57] <carlos> once Rosetta's db stores the iformation 
[01:57] <carlos> we don't need the .mo anymore
[01:57] <carlos> oh, ok :-P
[01:57] <pitti> carlos: mo files are the only reliable way of finding out the translation domains
[01:58] <pitti> carlos: how do you do this? e. g. gnome-desktop recently *changed* its translation domain
[01:58] <carlos> pitti, I'm creating that DB by hand + the info you give me with the .mo files
[01:58] <pitti> carlos: ok, so you do need them as well?
[01:58] <carlos> we need to fix that by hand then
[01:58] <carlos> if I have them is helpful yes
[01:58] <pitti> carlos: I will restore the lost tarballs now
[01:58] <carlos> but not a big problem if they are missing
[01:58] <pitti> but that needs to be fixed once and for all
[01:58] <carlos> ok
[01:58] <pitti> manually messing with this is cumbersome
[02:05] <tseng> seb128: ok i got the patch worked out, testing.
[02:05] <seb128> cool
[02:06] <seb128> infinity, lamont-away: can you retry evolution-exchange on all the archs? thanks
[02:06] <tseng> mdz: monodevelop is still in main, are we waiting on cron?
[02:10] <seb128> pitti: what is "Fix Evolution backend of lbdb"? 
[02:11] <pitti> what the name says - I made m_evolution work :-)
[02:11] <pitti> seb128: I use lbdb for mutt
[02:11] <pitti> seb128: and I recently started to use evolution for non-mail
[02:11] <pitti> so I though it would be nice to have my evo contacts in mutt
[02:11] <seb128> this backend is a part of evo?
[02:12] <pitti> seb128: nah, it just calls evolution-addressbook-export
[02:12] <pitti> jdub: right, it rocks :-)
[02:12] <seb128> pitti: oh k, I was just curious since I didn't notice any upload of the package for the fix :)
[02:12] <pitti> seb128: no, I didn't fix evolution :-)
[02:13] <Treenaks> jdub: is there also a way to _store_ new contacts in e-d-s using mutt? :)
[02:13] <janimo> seb128,ping
[02:14] <jdub> Treenaks: hmm. no.
[02:14] <janimo> are gnome integration patches for firefox ubuntu specific?
[02:14] <janimo> it seems debians mozilla-firefox package does not use gnomeui&co
[02:15] <sabdfl> janimo: shouldn't be. also likely to come with source code, for porting joy
[02:15] <janimo> I wonder if the two could coexist, the latter for xfce and ubuntu lite
[02:15] <janimo> where we don't want gnome libs in the system
[02:16] <seb128> janimo: pong
[02:16] <janimo> seb128,^^^
[02:16] <janimo> dreaded firefox questions :)
[02:16] <seb128> janimo: dunno, I don't maintain firefox
[02:16] <janimo> but you keep uploading it :)
[02:17] <seb128> I usually fix issues having an impact on epiphany-browser
[02:17] <seb128> and I've fixed cairo/pango issue because somebody needs to fix that
[02:17] <seb128> but I don't really care about the package :)
[02:17] <janimo> I see.Who's the closest to maintainer on ubuntu-devel?
[02:17] <tseng> seb128: have you used the totem plugin lately?
[02:18] <tseng> seb128: i think its broken, i can find more if you dont know it
[02:18] <seb128> tseng: it crashed my box yesterday
[02:18] <tseng> yep.
[02:18] <seb128> it started slowing down everything, after 5min waiting for a prompt I've rebooted
[02:18] <seb128> janimo: pitti maybe ... 
[02:19] <tseng> mine just kills firefox
[02:19] <pitti> nooooo 
[02:19] <seb128> tseng: if you have a website were it happens please open a bugzilla.gnome.org bug and get hadess or BBB fixing it :)
[02:19] <pitti> seb128: if I were to write a main inclusion report for it, I'd reject it outright :-)
[02:19] <seb128> ;)
[02:20] <seb128> janimo: what is wrong with the current package?
[02:22] <janimo> seb128, it depends on too many gnome stuff
[02:23] <seb128> you ask to a GNOME guy to drop GNOME? :)
[02:23] <janimo> I'd like one package as  debian's mozilla-firefox (currently at 1.0.6) than works w/o gnome stuff
[02:23] <seb128> that's a feature, not a bug
[02:23] <janimo> but it can surely be built w/o ?
[02:23] <seb128> yeah but it's probably nicer with it :)
[02:24] <janimo> I need it for xubuntu and ubuntu-lite possibly so we don;'t have too many dependencies
[02:24] <janimo> the most annoying being gaimn starting up at odd times
[02:24] <janimo> gamin
[02:24] <seb128> I've just looked on the configure option
[02:24] <seb128> seems we have pango as difference
[02:24] <janimo> I see there's a --disable-gnomeui
[02:24] <janimo> option
[02:24] <seb128> no
[02:25] <seb128> $ ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin | grep gnome
[02:25] <seb128> $
[02:25] <seb128> it doesn't come from it
[02:26] <janimo> hmm indeed interesting, but the package itself depdnds on many gnome libs
[02:27] <seb128> $ ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libimgicon.so | grep gnome
[02:27] <seb128>         libgnomeui-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0 (0xb7efd000)
[02:27] <seb128>         libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 (0xb7d3f000)
[02:27] <seb128> 
[02:27] <seb128> does the Debian version ship that?
[02:27] <seb128> (it lists also gnome-vfs, gnome-keyring, etc)
[02:29] <seb128> if note try to figure why
[02:29] <janimo> the debian version seems to suggest gnome-vfs
[02:29] <janimo> that's part of the mozilla-gnome -support pkg or similar
[02:29] <seb128> this file?
[02:30] <janimo> gnome-vfs dependency I think
[02:30] <janimo> also you know why the namechange happened (mozilla-firefox -> firefox)?
[02:31] <janimo> debian still has the early name
[02:31] <seb128> "debian/tmp/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/*gnome* usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components"
[02:31] <seb128> is the gnome-pkg
[02:31] <seb128> " firefox (1.0.2-0ubuntu6) breezy; urgency=low
[02:31] <seb128>  .
[02:31] <seb128>    * Rename to firefox per MoFo's trademark requirements"
[02:31] <seb128> 
[02:31] <seb128> that's for the rename
[02:32] <lathiat> haha MoFo
[02:32] <janimo> aha, I wonder why debian keeps it that way then
[02:39] <Mithrandir> mjg59: do you have vbetool in some version control somewhere?
[02:39] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Nope
[02:39] <Mithrandir> evil person.  Mind if I import it into arch?
[02:39] <mjg59> Mithrandir: No problem
[02:40] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Getting anywhere?
[02:40] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I think it's because of the missing memory setup functions, so I'm stealing that from the int10 handler in X and see if that helps.
[02:41] <mjg59> Ok, cool
[02:44] <lathiat> infinity: and can you also giveback libglademm2.0
[02:49] <infinity> pitti : ?
[02:50] <seb128> janimo: the difference between debian/ubuntu is the build-dep on libgnomeui
[02:50] <seb128> janimo: not sure of what that change exactly to use it, but I'm not sure that a good idea to change it now
[02:53] <janimo> seb128 I don't want to change that
[02:53] <janimo> but see if we can get the debian version of firefox too
[02:53] <janimo> as alternatives providing firefox
[02:54] <janimo> call it firefox-vanilla or something
[02:54] <seb128> pitti: want 2 firefox ? :)
[02:54] <seb128> hihi
[02:54] <janimo> the gnomeui change is so that the open dialog is gnomish at least
[02:54] <janimo> but that brings in gamin :(
[02:55] <seb128> how is that an issue ?
[02:55] <janimo> I use xfce4 and do not want to start gamin at all
[02:55] <pitti> janimo: I will kill you for that :-)
[02:55] <janimo> so on first firefox file open it does
[02:55] <janimo> and it takes 20 seconds of break
[02:55] <seb128> pitti: I knew you would love that :)
[02:55] <janimo> pitti, be gentle if you do :)
[02:55] <ajmitch> pitti: twice the fun :)
[02:56] <janimo> I am interested in this so I'd put in some work if you need and think it's doable
[02:56] <pitti> janimo: ok, will clubbing you with 200 MB of ffox source code be regarded as gentle?
[02:56] <janimo> it could be as simple as sync from sid into our universe
[02:56] <pitti> janimo: can't we rather merge the debian and ffox features?
[02:56] <janimo> and make the package conflict I hope
[02:57] <seb128> janimo: then you have to update, sync, apply security fixes, etc
[02:57] <janimo> I have the source already and looking at it :)
[02:57] <janimo> well it's universe so the sec fixes can lag behind main a bit
[02:58] <janimo> well I don;t know: could we build two binary packages from the same ubuntu ffox sources?
[02:58] <seb128> janimo: still somebody should fix issues, want to do it?
[02:58] <janimo> one with the other w/o gnoimeui?
[02:58] <janimo> seb128 if we agree on this I would
[02:58] <seb128> yeah, lot of work for almost nothing
[02:58] <ajmitch> only if you made 2 compile passes, I'd guess
[02:58] <janimo> I am committed to xfce4-ubuntu
[02:58] <seb128> gamin can run on xfce
[02:58] <janimo> ajmitch, sure two passes
[02:58] <seb128> what is the big deal?
[02:59] <janimo> seb128, but hardly on 64 megs of ram :)
[02:59] <janimo> xfce ubuntu is for lowly machines
[02:59] <janimo> almost any gnomity hurts :)
[02:59] <seb128> don't use firefox on 64M :)
[02:59] <janimo> it's an option only but the easiest :)
[03:00] <janimo> the other would be kazehakase
[03:01] <janimo> I'll look at the ffox sources and try out some stuff the let you know if I find something feasible
[03:06] <pitti> carlos: would arch-specific translation tarballs be a problem for you?
[03:07] <jbailey> jordi: Got a glibc change for me? =)
[03:08] <jbailey> fabbione: pong
[03:10] <pitti> jbailey: next upload is imminent?
[03:11] <jbailey> pitti: No, I haven't started merging the patches yet.
[03:11] <fabbione> jbailey: hey.. nothing extremely important.. i did open a bug on initramfs that i would like to see fixed :)
[03:11] <jbailey> pitti: But if he had somethign initial that he wanted me to review, I have brainspace to do that.
[03:11] <jbailey> fabbione: #?
[03:13] <jbailey> Sure, cciss shouldn't be a problem.
[03:13] <jbailey> (In fact, all my old servers used it)
[03:13] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm curious if it's enabled for the auto scan at the beginning.  Do you have one handy that we can test with?
[03:16] <fabbione> jbailey: i have 3 handy at the moment
[03:17] <fabbione> i add cciss to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[03:17] <fabbione> regenerated the initramfs and it works
[03:19] <jbailey> Nice!
[03:19] <jbailey> 'cause I remember that those devices  showed up in a /dev/cciss/
[03:22] <pitti> Hi jdthood 
[03:22] <jdthood> pitti: Hi ho.
[03:24] <{Seb}> does anyone here know what has happened to backports?
[03:24] <pitti> jdthood: ah, I wanted to bounce that mail to you, doing now
[03:24] <jbailey> {Seb}: Did you get your initramfs question answered earlier?
[03:25] <pitti> jdthood: I sent it to alsa-utils@packages.debian.org
[03:25] <jdthood> OK
[03:25] <pitti> jdthood: ... back then
[03:25] <pitti> jdthood: shall I bounce it there again?
[03:25] <{Seb}> jbailey: yeh - the problem was i was running mkinitramfs -o image instead of mkinitramfs -o /boot/image
[03:26] <jdthood> pitti: I didn't get it, but that wouldn't be the first email I failed to get via that mailing list.
[03:26] <pitti> jdthood: which mail addr shall I use?
[03:26] <jbailey> {Seb}: Right.  I should fix it to allow relative paths. =)
[03:27] <jdthood> pitti: Send directly to pkg-alsa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
[03:27] <jdthood> Is your message at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-alsa-devel/2005-August/thread.html ?
[03:28] <pitti> jdthood: nope; I'm not subscribed to that list, though
[03:30] <pitti> jdthood: bounced to p-a-d
[03:30] <jdthood> Mail to alsa-utils@packages.debian.org should go to the mailtainer's email address which is pkg-alsa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org.  However, I fail to receive some mail from the BTS that goes that route.  Messages sent directly to p-a-d do seem to get through.
[03:32] <jdthood> pitti: "Would you be willing to keep this around
[03:32] <jdthood> for a while?"  What do you mean?
[03:32] <Mez> {Seb}, ping
[03:33] <pitti> jdthood: the transition code
[03:33] <Mez> well, actually, more of a ping
[03:33] <Mez> pong *
[03:33] <jdthood> pitti: Sure.  I want to support both Debian and Ubuntu.
[03:34] <pitti> jdthood: it's unfortunate that breezy won't get it, but we have to live with that
[03:36] <carlos> pitti, the only problem with that is that the filename will have a variable part
[03:36] <carlos> i386, ppc, amd64, etc...
[03:37] <pitti> carlos: we can put an intermediate script in between that sorts them if you want
[03:37] <pitti> carlos: I need to do that anyway
[03:37] <carlos> pitti, if you do it in a way that does not affect my current scripts, it's ok
[03:37] <pitti> carlos: so I can sort them to ~pitti/translations/
[03:37] <carlos> pitti, I think it's enough if it only affects translations.txt content
[03:37] <pitti> carlos: so you only need to change that import URL
[03:37] <pitti> carlos: ok, I think about it
[03:38] <pitti> carlos: I could throw out the obsolete ones from translations.txt
[03:38] <carlos> pitti, you don't need to, don't worry
[03:41] <infinity> pitti : Hrm, do you want me to change the format of translations.txt at all?
[03:42] <pitti> infinity: it should just list available tarballs, so the format shouldn't actually change, I guess
[03:42] <infinity> pitti : Right, but there will be duplicates now.
[03:43] <pitti> infinity: how so, with arch names?
[03:44] <infinity> pitti : Well, not identical duplicates, but if anyone's relying on being able to say "this is the filename for Package mysql Version 4.1.22 in Component main (etc)", there will now be 4 filenames that match that criteria, not one.
[03:45] <pitti> infinity: yep, that's fine
[03:48] <infinity> Oh well, nothing gets lost anyway, since it's all on the individual buildds too, so nothing to lose. :)
[03:48] <pitti> infinity: I'm glad that they are still there, so I could recover them :)
[03:49] <infinity> pitti : Have you made the changes to pkgstrip?
[03:50] <infinity> pitti : If so, can you provide me with the new sources, so I can install it on exactly one buildd for testing? :)
[03:50] <pitti> infinity: not yet, doing three things at once max'es out my male multitasking capabilities
[03:50] <infinity> Good thing your girlfriend's not in the room too.
[03:50] <pitti> yep, she'll arrive in ~ 1 hour :-)
[03:53] <pitti> infinity: 4 things - phone rings
[03:57] <pitti> infinity: shall I use dpkg --print-architecture?
[03:58] <seb128> infinity: could you give a retry to evolution-exchange?
[04:02] <Mez> evening bddebian 
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya Mez, how are you?
[04:02] <Mez> tired
[04:03] <Mez> and... tried
[04:03] <bddebian> Heh
[04:03] <\sh> Mez: do u have a special backports channel?
[04:04] <Mez> \sh: nope - I dont see the need for one yet
[04:04] <Mez> \sh do you think we need one?
[04:04] <infinity> pitti : --print-installation-architecture
[04:04] <infinity> pitti : That's what sbuild uses.
[04:04] <pitti> infinity: ok
[04:04] <\sh> Mez: no...but i was curious :) u have couple of minutes time? 
[04:05] <HiddenWolf> who is responsible for the order in which the init scripts run by the way?
[04:05] <Mez> yeah, go for it , sup?
[04:05] <\sh> Mez: check -motu
[04:05] <Mez> \sh: kk
[04:05] <seb128> pitti: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2005-August/msg00038.html .. if you want to give a reply on the topic
[04:13] <daniels> pitti: ping
[04:13] <pitti> Hey daniels 
[04:13] <pitti> seb128: will come to that soon
[04:13] <seb128> pitti: you don't have too, but that would probably be cool :)
[04:13] <seb128> thanks
[04:15] <fabbione> jbailey: yes they do show up in /dev/cciss, but it just works..
[04:16] <fabbione> anyway...
[04:16] <fabbione> time to start the weekend!
[04:16] <fabbione> cya guys
[04:16] <seb128> enjoy fabbione :)
[04:16] <pitti> enjoy the we, fabbione 
[04:17] <pitti> infinity: can you poke me when your tests are finished and I shall upload?
[04:21] <Mez> infinity, email sent :D
[04:23] <infinity> pitti : You can't upload until I roll out the changes to all 12 buildds.
[04:23] <infinity> pitti : So, I'll poke you much later. :)
[04:23] <pitti> infinity: oh, ok
[04:23] <pitti> infinity: I thought you need the new deb in the archive for that
[04:30] <mdke> elmo, any news on a name for the docteam linode server?
[04:30] <mdke> we've been waiting for weeks :(
[04:30] <jsgotangco> months actually
[04:31] <HiddenWolf> call it sleepy. :)
[04:32] <mdke> elmo, if you think it will take a long time, we can set up a free temporary solution i suppose
[04:32] <jsgotangco> mdke: let's just do dyndns :)
[04:32] <jordi> jbailey: not yet, I'm waiting for Asturian info from the Asturian translators to write the locale.
[04:33] <elmo> mdke: err, you guys chose to use docteam.ubuntu.com for the svn repo in the first place
[04:33] <elmo> I warned you at the time it was a bad idea
[04:33] <mdke> elmo, ok but it has been at least two weeks since henrik and jane decided on doc.ubuntu.com for the linode
[04:33] <jsgotangco> elmo: what do you suggest?
[04:34] <jsgotangco> the time i came it was already docteam
[04:34] <jdub> elmo: planet update please :)
[04:34] <mdke> elmo, your call, if you don't want to do doc.ubuntu.com, we'll get a dyndns name
[04:35] <elmo> mdke: please stop putting words into my mouth
[04:35] <mdke> elmo, i'm not, i said "if"
[04:36] <mdke> just let us know
[04:36] <siretart> elmo: any news about the revu linode vserver?
[04:39] <mdke> elmo, i have no problem with a dyndns temporary solution if you don't have time to do it now. All we want to know if whether you can do it, and when. Not knowing is the only problem.
[04:40] <pitti> seb128: ok, gnome packs get too big, I upload completely fresh gnome packs and update just main and kde
[04:41] <elmo> sigh
[04:42] <seb128> pitti: how do they get too big?
[04:42] <jbailey> jordi: There's an alernate locales project being done by some Debian folks.  I was thinking that for breezy+1 that it might be worth looking more closely into that.  What do you think?
[04:42] <pitti> seb128: too many updates
[04:43] <seb128> elmo: have you sync djvulibre? jdub asked for it yesterday
[04:43] <seb128> pitti: oh, blame jordi :p
[04:45] <jordi> jbailey: I've been ranting about belocs-locales being the way to go all morning :)
[04:45] <jbailey> jordi: Lovely.
[04:46] <jbailey> jordi: I haven't read much about the project, but I would love to see an upstream that actually cared about the locales.
[04:46] <jordi> belocs/denis is the man
[04:47] <jordi> jbailey: I got my Catalan stuff in there in like... 1 day.
[04:47] <ogra> jbailey, 
[04:47] <ogra> Done.
[04:47] <ogra> Begin: initializing /dev...
[04:47] <jordi> jbailey: other goodies... locales know about Yugoslavia being no more! etc.
[04:47] <elmo> seb128: no, I missed it, doing now
[04:47] <jordi> jbailey: and updates to locales doesn't mean rebuilding libc6
[04:47] <ogra> jbailey, ^^^ is that your domain ? it occurs directly after the kernel has booted
[04:48] <ogra> jbailey, on ltsp
[04:48] <pitti> elmo: can you please also sync plr? the current version does not work at all, so even it is a new upstream version, it can only improve...
[04:48] <pitti> elmo: (it needed to be adapted to new postgresql architecture)
[04:48] <pitti> Hi otavio 
[04:49] <ogra> jbailey, oh, somehow xchat swallowed the error, thats the line afterwards: /init: 66: Syntax error 0x
[04:49] <pitti> seb128: for the g-vfs mail, is there an mbox archive somehwere?
[04:49] <elmo> siretart: there should be a (!linode) server available now, checking
[04:50] <elmo> pitti: pitti done
[04:50] <pitti> thanks
[04:50] <pitti> I really feel done :-)
[04:51] <pitti> Hi carstenh 
[04:51] <carstenh> hi pitti 
[04:52] <jbailey> ogra: 0x?
[04:52] <jbailey> ogra: Nothing else?
[04:52] <ogra> yup
[04:52] <carstenh> hi jbailey 
[04:52] <ogra> Done.
[04:52] <ogra> Begin: initializing /dev...
[04:53] <ogra>  /init: 66: Syntax error 0x
[04:53] <pitti> seb128: nevermind, found it
[04:53] <\sh> elmo: pls think about the situation...we want to build something like a automatic sbuild structure on this (v)server :)
[04:54] <jbailey> ogra: Hmm.  It should have no-op'd the parse_numeric call for you.
[04:54] <\sh> elmo: (regarding revu)
[04:54] <jbailey> ogra: Does it die right after that?
[04:54] <Thunder000> hello.. from where can i download the breezy kernel package ?
[04:54] <jbailey> carstenh: Heya!
[04:54] <ogra> jbailey, yup... kernel panic
[04:55] <jbailey> ogra: Got time to try an experiment with me?
[04:55] <ogra> jbailey, sure, but my laptop is the client, so i'll be offline for testing... :)
[04:56] <Thunder000> I did an dist-upgrade to breezy.. and i need the newer kernel .. can anyone help me get it ?
[04:57] <\sh> newer kernel?
[04:57] <elmo> siretart, \sh: please talk to Henrik, (hno73 on irc or henrik@ubuntu.com), he should have a real server available to you
[04:57] <siretart> elmo: you ROCK! thanks! :)
[04:58] <\sh> elmo: u rock :) we really have to meet and have a nice time.... what do u need from germany?
[04:58] <azeem> weisswurst
[04:58] <siretart> :)
[04:58] <\sh> germany != bayern ,-)
[04:59] <\sh> koelsch...krombacher...pferde leberkaes
[04:59] <hno73> Hi siretart, yeah just send me an email 
[05:03] <pitti> seb128: I replied to the maiul
[05:04] <Mitario> elmo, ping
[05:21] <frans-th> hi there
[05:22] <frans-th> anyone from cannonical or willing to help indonesia?
[05:22] <frans-th> on belong of my goverment, 
[05:22] <frans-th> we need help from all of you
[05:22] <frans-th> to make ubuntu become official desktop for our country
[05:22] <frans-th> but, the ubuntu brand must be renamed to lcoal brand
[05:22] <frans-th> aloo
[05:22] <\sh> why?
[05:23] <frans-th> why?
[05:23] <frans-th> this is political step,
[05:23] <frans-th> because microsoft dont want to do this, and sun change his JDS brand become IGOS Desktop
[05:23] <frans-th> but right now JDS is very strong here, 
[05:23] <frans-th> so, goverment ask me about how to change ubuntu brand
[05:23] <\sh> but why you have to change a name?
[05:23] <frans-th> or make a theme :P
[05:24] <frans-th> because the goverment want to use local brand for this project
[05:24] <\sh> or do it like redflag linux in china..take redhat as base...and fork it ;)
[05:24] <HiddenWolf> frans-th, there is a wiki page on BrandingforDeriviates
[05:24] <frans-th> Sun change his JDS in Indoensia become IGOS brand.
[05:24] <frans-th> and IGOS now, adopted by ASEAN, south east asia 
[05:24] <Mitario> frans-th, why do they want a local branch? (Just interested) :)
[05:25] <frans-th> i think ubuntu is better than JDS, can be more :)
[05:25] <carlos> Mitario, I suppose that is a way to justify that it's a "local" development
[05:25] <frans-th> why?
[05:25] <frans-th> this is political step only
[05:25] <frans-th> the govermetn want something local support 
[05:25] <Mitario> ah, what are the political arguments?
[05:25] <seb128> pitti: thanks !
[05:26] <frans-th> to make the goverment can said to another country, that we have our own distro :)
[05:26] <frans-th> i think, we dont ahve to change all the ubuntu brand
[05:26] <frans-th> just the theme :)
[05:26] <frans-th> or any input for this?
[05:26] <frans-th>  i can guarrante our goverment will use ubuntu
[05:27] <frans-th> right now Sun very agresif selling JDS here :( with IGOS brand
[05:27] <Mitario> frans-th, maybe you whould e-mail some people :) I don't assume the canonical people will be here all the time :)
[05:27] <frans-th> HiddenWolf: where is the url? i cannot find in ubuntulinux.org
[05:27] <HiddenWolf> frans-th, as I said, there is work being done on making it easier to rebrand ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandingForDerivatives
[05:27] <lathiat> oucht he enter bug page really does suck at dialup speeds
[05:27] <frans-th> some people, can give me the name?
[05:28] <lathiat> im shaped to 8K/s and its been like a minute so far
[05:28] <frans-th> ok thx
[05:28] <HiddenWolf> frans-th, so I'd say talk to kamion
[05:28] <HiddenWolf> or jbailey
[05:29] <Mitario> mako also does lots of marketing stuff right?
[05:29] <frans-th> ok
[05:29] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: Hmm?
[05:29] <frans-th> thx, send email to me, frans@intercitra.com
[05:29] <frans-th> that is my email
[05:29] <frans-th> this is very urgent
[05:29] <HiddenWolf> jbailey, you're second on BrandingForDerivates, aren't you?
[05:29] <frans-th> i have a job here from goverment to support 800 PC with ubuntu :)
[05:29] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: Yup.  What do you need?
[05:29] <HiddenWolf> frans-th needs you jbailey. :)
[05:29] <frans-th> so, i am preparing to create indonesian based ubuntu support services
[05:30] <jbailey> frans-th: Cool!
[05:30] <frans-th> if someone can help me to make the best linux support services in this country will be cool
[05:30] <frans-th> i got in canonical, canonical support south africa go open source, now i am one of the team that help indonesia goes open source, i am managing igos.or.id
[05:30] <mako> Mitario: i do less marketing stuff.. more community stuff. i guess it depends on who we are marketing to ;)
[05:30] <frans-th> this web site will become our center of open source research
[05:30] <frans-th> our office will move to goverment office
[05:30] <Mitario> mako, heh ok :)
[05:31] <sivang> seb128: did you see my talks with neo on #gimp ?
[05:31] <frans-th> there is 3 minister support my action
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hey mako
[05:31] <mako> jsgotangco: hey dude :)
[05:31] <frans-th> jbailey, who r u anyway :) sorry, i am new in this channel
[05:31] <frans-th> all: am i in the wrong channel? can i chat this case here?
[05:32] <jsgotangco> frans-th: this is a developer channel
[05:33] <jbailey> frans-th: Do we have your company listed in the Marketplace yet?
[05:33] <tseng> frans-th: you really want the ubuntu-sounder mailing list, i think
[05:33] <frans-th> aloo...
[05:33] <frans-th> what is markeetplace?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> frans-th: i will PM you
[05:34] <frans-th> ok
[05:35] <Mitario> jbailey, i thought his company was the indonesian government :)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> Mitario: please no making fun, the guy isn't that well-conversant in english
[05:35] <jsgotangco> he is south east asian like me
[05:35] <Mitario> i'm not making fun, just noting someone
[05:36] <Mitario> sorry if it looked like that, but, he is from the government right?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> im talking to him now
[05:36] <Mitario> oki :)
[05:36] <frans-th> Mitario: i am not goverment staff, but the goverment staff want this help, but this project must finish before sun know it
[05:37] <Mitario> frans-th, ahh right, I was just curious/exited
[05:37] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle* there are probably sun-related people here anyway.
[05:37] <Mitario> frans-th, sounds really great
[05:37] <azeem> good thing GMan does not lurk in here anymore
[05:37] <frans-th> Mitario: my job is to make a ubuntu repository, where the server is from Sun :) see, the political step of Sun here.
[05:38] <frans-th> I think apokrypt, paul, and philips vanhoff, know my idea
[05:38] <frans-th> i visit this chat room every day, for asking this hel
[05:38] <HiddenWolf> frans-th, if you have a plan, why not take it up with sabdfl?
[05:38] <Mitario> frans-th, heh, I know pvanhoof :)
[05:38] <frans-th> ask him, he know my problem well
[05:39] <pvanhoof> aha
[05:39] <frans-th> sabdfl? who is he?
[05:39] <frans-th> i am new in this channel, event i am use ubuntu since warty :P
[05:39] <frans-th> hi pvanhoof
[05:39] <pvanhoof> about the bandwith?
[05:39] <HiddenWolf> frans-th, the guy that funded canonical and ubuntu :)
[05:39] <Mitario> frans-th, sabdfl is the project leader, mark shuttleworth
[05:39] <frans-th> i have good news, the goverment now need something new, they want to make ubuntu become national wide formally, become indonesia official distro
[05:40] <frans-th> the bandwidth will come soon, next week i will try to prepare :)
[05:40] <frans-th> :)
[05:40] <pvanhoof> frans-th, so the bandwith is no longer a problem?
[05:40] <frans-th> and the govermetn staff want something radical :) to break sun movement here.
[05:40] <pvanhoof> frans-th, because, for a serious mirror, you do need much more than 56k
[05:40] <Mitario> pff, I wish the dutch government was like that :)
[05:40] <HiddenWolf> frans-th, out of interest, what is sun doing  that you don't like?
[05:40] <frans-th> because sun charge US$ 50 for his linux distro, and this shocked several of the goverment, they think Linux is free, but how can 
[05:41] <jsgotangco> HiddenWolf: i believe he is concerend with rebranding Ubuntu
[05:41] <frans-th> pvanhoff: i will prepare for the bandwidth, i will update next week
[05:41] <\sh> linux is free as in free speech..but not as in free beer...
[05:41] <frans-th> right now, i have another task, but must keep in silence, we must make a ubuntu version that with indonesian brand, 
[05:41] <\sh> frans-th: is this a secret? 
[05:42] <frans-th> right now, microsoft are very agresif in open source team :)
[05:42] <frans-th> the unbuntu rebranding = not goverment official project yet.
[05:42] <frans-th> after finish, they will launch, the process cannot be introducte to sun indonesian team :) they never chat here anyway, 
[05:42] <ivoks> rebranding?
[05:42] <\sh> well..right now all the world can read about your plans ;)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> frans-th: this is possible, but cannot be done without planning
[05:43] <frans-th> so, give me the best way
[05:43] <frans-th> rebranding = change the ubuntu default theme :)
[05:44] <frans-th> i think we still can adopt the installer with ubuntu name, 
[05:44] <frans-th> i just now prepare for theme :)
[05:44] <frans-th> background, :)
[05:44] <ivoks> theme needs change, i agree :)
[05:45] <frans-th> :P
[05:45] <frans-th> about the duplication cD, my goverment open sourec team will do it.
[05:45] <frans-th> so, no need canonical time :P
[05:46] <seb128> sivang: no, is the log somewhere?
[05:46] <frans-th> pvanhoff, r u there?
[05:47] <jsgotangco> frans-th: got your email, thanks
[05:47] <frans-th> ok
[05:47] <jsgotangco> but why do you want it renamed to pigeon?
[05:47] <frans-th> if all of you can help, send me an email frans@intercitra.com
[05:48] <jsgotangco> (merpati)
[05:48] <frans-th> this is a project name.. :)
[05:48] <jsgotangco> don't you have something similar to "ubuntu"
[05:49] <frans-th> ubuntu?
[05:49] <frans-th> because right now our goverment promote about indonesan brand :)
[05:49] <frans-th> so we must use something that look like indonesian brand, but not :P
[05:49] <frans-th> i personally wanna becoem ubuntu resp in indonesia rather create my own brand
[05:49] <\sh> frans-th: the word "ubuntu" has a meaning
[05:49] <jsgotangco> yes, i mean the equivalent of ubuntu in bahasa
[05:49] <ivoks> ah, indonesia
[05:50] <ivoks> frans-th: leave our ships alone! :)
[05:50] <\sh> frans-th: do u have a word with the meaning "humanity to others" 
[05:51] <jsgotangco> frans-th: it seems IGOS is relatively new
[05:51] <jsgotangco> (a few days ago)
[05:52] <\sh> asianux
[05:52] <\sh> was also new to me until a few minutes ago
[05:52] <jsgotangco> oh asianux is relatively old
[05:52] <jsgotangco> but its a consortium of 3 linux companies
[05:53] <jsgotangco> red flag is actually crap imho
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> jsgotangco, mind, mind. be human to others. ;)
[05:53] <jsgotangco> Acer bundles them over here
[05:54] <\sh> HiddenWolf: hehe
[05:54] <\sh> HiddenWolf: red flag was a copy of redhat 
[05:55] <frans-th> :)
[05:55] <frans-th> because our country have lack of linux expert, but one of our linux team, now work in finland :)
[05:56] <frans-th> IGOS is 2 years old, you can visit igos.web.id for goverment website :P
[05:56] <\sh> frans-th: indonesia? in bali or jarkate there is the redhat linux emea support center...
[05:56] <frans-th> jakarta
[05:56] <\sh> yeah
[05:56] <frans-th> yah redhat linux support center, :) i very close with all those companies :)
[05:57] <frans-th> but they job is only sell redhat 
[05:57] <\sh> build up by a redhat employee from germany :)
[05:57] <frans-th> redflag is crap :) but this is good for goverment
[05:57] <frans-th> the fedora have been rebrand here, named blankon, 
[05:57] <frans-th> so, i think ubuntu time now :)
[05:58] <jsgotangco> what does blankon mean?
[05:58] <\sh> ok..have to go to a music festival..cu later gentlemen
[05:58] <frans-th> blankon mean a hat, this is javanese traditional hat
[05:58] <frans-th> and fedora here, also renamed become wareong IGOS, and this distro is very popular right now
[05:58] <DrSpin> APT-get update will "IGN" both the planetmirror and mirrormax haroy-extras and hoary-backports -- any clue why or how I can fix it??
[05:59] <jsgotangco> i thought Igos was an OS, it actually meant Indonesia go open source
[05:59] <frans-th> right now, my positioni is become the ubuntu support :) event i am not expert in ubuntu :)
[05:59] <frans-th> yah, igos :) is a goverment program, i am one of the team :) i am resp of java community leader, not linux :)
[05:59] <frans-th> but got this job :( sad
[06:00] <jsgotangco> interesting project
[06:01] <jsgotangco> (looking at the english site)
[06:01] <frans-th> :P
[06:01] <frans-th> knopix also renamed become linux sehat , mean healthy linux
[06:01] <frans-th> but honestly, no one will use the rebranding version :P
[06:02] <frans-th> i am personally more trust the ubuntu team that me :)
[06:03] <frans-th> so, any tips?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> frans-th: make a comprehensive project plan/abstract and send an email to the sounder list you will definitely get a reply
[06:06] <jsgotangco> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder
[06:06] <jdub> but keep in mind that it's a public list
[06:12] <ivoks> elmo: ping
[06:13] <jdub> frans-th: btw, your emails to info were received :)
[06:13] <frans-th2> hi all, sorry disc
[06:14] <frans-th2> so, any tips for me for this task?
[06:15] <jdub> frans-th2: your mails to info were received
[06:15] <jdub> frans-th2: those mails were a good start for your task
[06:15] <jsgotangco> wow my first birthday greeting came from an ad bot
[06:16] <ivoks> jsgotangco: hb!
[06:16] <ivoks> jsgotangco: 26. or 27.?
[06:16] <frans-th2> jdub? who r u :) can i know :)
[06:17] <frans-th2> jsgotangco: 200 :P
[06:17] <frans-th2> haha
[06:17] <jsgotangco> ivoks: 28
[06:17] <ivoks> jsgotangco: hehe mine is 27. :)
[06:17] <frans-th2> jdub: i think this project will be started soon :)
[06:17] <jsgotangco> !!
[06:17] <jsgotangco> ivoks: hb!
[06:18] <ivoks> jsgotangco: thanx :) you were first :)
[06:18] <Diziet> keybuk: ping
[06:18] <frans-th2> hb from me too :)
[06:18] <jsgotangco> ivoks: at least you didn't get your first greeting from an ad mailbot
[06:18] <ivoks> :))
[06:19] <ivoks> jsgotangco: i'm waiting for my g/f's gift :)
[06:19] <frans-th2> oh yah, any one have goverment credetian of ubuntu?
[06:19] <frans-th2> ivoks: what kind of gift do you want?
[06:19] <ivoks> frans-th2: leave our ships alone! :)
[06:20] <ivoks> frans-th2: from my g/f? :)
[06:20] <ivoks> we are offtopic with ships and birthdays
[06:20] <frans-th2> ivoks: hot ship :) 
[06:21] <frans-th2> ivoks: i am not a hijacker :P
[06:23] <jsgotangco> jdub: thanks on the planet thing, it works...
[06:33] <frans-th2> anyway
[06:33] <frans-th2> all
[06:34] <frans-th2> must go to go, 
[06:34] <frans-th2> midnight here, tomorrow saturday, and still workding :)
[06:34] <frans-th2> byeall
[06:35] <ogra_ltsp> jbailey, the fix worked fine
[06:36] <jdub> so the opensuse torrents
[06:37] <jdub> ww
[06:41] <lathiat> Treenaks: haha
[06:49] <DrSpin> On Hoary are there any CD burning tools that will burn a CD WITHOUT root privelages??? I've tried GnomeBaker, Graveman, and bout to try k3B but on my last Hoary install -- it needed root privelages
[06:50] <Mitario> hmm where has libxp-dev gone too?
[07:12] <jsgotangco> night all
[07:35] <jordi> jbailey: I hve stuff for you.
[07:35] <jbailey> jordi: Lovely!
[07:35] <jbailey> jordi: Email or bugzilla is fine.
[07:35] <jbailey> jordi: You know my usual paranoia - These are locale changes that stand a chance of being accepted upstream, right? =)
[07:36] <jordi> that really doesn't matter, we're dealing with Drepper.
[07:36] <jordi> I'm not exaggerating
[07:37] <jordi> Drepper still doesn't acept, afaik, the Serbia and Montenegro locale, and Serbian users are still using a sr_YU locale
[07:37] <jordi> when that country got blown up by bombs years ago
[07:38] <jbailey> jordi: Well..  What about the other locales guy?
[07:38] <jordi> But anyway, Asturian should be accepted. :)
[07:38] <jbailey> I want to find out by which standards they're accepting things.
[07:38] <jordi> The belocs maintainer?
[07:38] <jbailey> That's the one.
[07:38] <jordi> Denis will accept this locale after checking it doesn't have parse errors.
[07:38] <jbailey> I can never remember the word.  I get "belrog" in my head, instead...
[07:38] <jbailey> Oh, so he doesn't validate the locales changes at all? =(
[07:38] <jordi> heh
[07:41] <jordi> well, how can he validate if "Wednesday" is written this or tthat way in Elbonian?
[07:42] <jordi> he checks if the file is sane, has no unnecessary bits, etc. But the actual data, in most cases he can't do much about except trust the source.
[07:42] <Diziet> Is there anyone in particular whose attention I ought to draw if I propose to upload a new dpkg into Breezy ?
[07:42] <Diziet> FVO `new' = with a patch to fix #108587.
[07:43] <jbailey> jordi: Literal translations aren't usually my worry.  Date format changes, collation order, separator characters, etc. are.
[07:43] <jbailey> jordi: Those things are usually tracable through newspapers, standards, etc.
[07:46] <jbailey> bbiab, initramfs-tools testing
[07:55] <Coyctecm> Hi.
[07:55] <Coyctecm> ubuntu developers here?
[07:56] <Coyctecm> First of all. Thanks for the great distribution.
[07:57] <lewion> what's wrong with java?
[07:57] <lewion> there is no java anymore in ubuntu repositories
[07:57] <Coyctecm> I have used Linux since 1996 never used as clear distro as ubuntu is by default.
[07:58] <Coyctecm> I have one wish...Is it possible to add englightenment or fluxbox to installation cd. That user can deside which one to use?
[07:59] <Coyctecm> lewion: Why you just can't go to the sun microsystems site and grab java there?
[08:01] <zul> Coyctecm: i think its due to a space issue
[08:02] <Coyctecm> zul: oh yes..that could be true...just that fluxbox doesn't take much space..
[08:03] <Coyctecm> or maybe better would be if fluxbox could be added to official ubuntu repositories...
[08:04] <zul> not up to me :)
[08:05] <Coyctecm> :)
[08:21] <Mitario> anyone has e-mail addy of elmo?
[08:22] <jdub> james@canonical.com
[08:24] <Mitario> jdub, thanks
[08:27] <jbailey> jdub!
[08:27] <jbailey> jdub: Are you able to test an initramfs for me? =)
[08:28] <mako> mdz: ok
[08:28] <mako> mdz: you around
[08:28] <mdz> mako: yep
[08:29] <mako> mdz: re this last thread on scim-anthy and input methods and language support packs
[08:29] <mako> mdz: i want to drain this swamp
[08:29] <mdz> mako: I would love it if you would
[08:29] <mdz> mako: but didn't we have this same conversation 6 months ago? ;-)
[08:29] <mako> mdz: yes
[08:29] <ogra> jbailey, did you get my message before ? the fix works fine for me 
[08:29] <mako> mdz: i think we can do japanese now
[08:29] <jbailey> ogra: I did, thank-you.
[08:29] <ogra> ok :)
[08:30] <ogra> jbailey, thank *you* ;)
[08:30] <mako> mdz: i think the guys in this thread are right.. so far everyone has been advocating anthy.. whether it comes from UIM or SCIM doesn't make a huge difference except SCIM seems to offer more flexibility for other languages
[08:31] <mako> i think the correct thing to create a procedure for the inclusion on an input method
[08:31] <mako> it doesn't have to be heavy-weight
[08:32] <mako> but that's the long-term solution
[08:32] <mako> but i think the japanese guys are on track at this point
[08:45] <mvo> Diziet: if you implement your fix for #108587, could you please send something to the status_fd of dpkg (if there is one) so that frontends can deal with it in a gui way?
[08:47] <Diziet> I'll just tie in the new question to the existing conffile prompt, so it'll just do the same (well, a similar) thing as all the existing questions.
[08:47] <Diziet> I assume you mean to control interaction.
[08:47] <mvo> yes, we do that with the normal conffile prompt now too (in synaptic)
[08:49] <jdub> jbailey: i could be tempted :)
[08:49] <jbailey> jdub: I uploaded it already. =)  Hope it works for you.
[08:49] <mvo> Diziet: the current "protocol" for the conffile prompt that dpkg sends over the status fd is very limited, it may be a good idea to think of something better here
[08:50] <Diziet> You may well be right, but I'm just fixing this bug for now :-).
[08:51] <mvo> sure, the communication thing is the easiest bit to fix :)
[09:05] <xhaker> mvo, you there?
[09:05] <mvo> xhaker: yes
[09:06] <xhaker> could you please rebuild Scite?
[09:06] <xhaker> it is pretty messed up right now
[09:06] <mvo> xhaker: it should already fixed in breezy, 1.64-2 should be fine
[09:07] <xhaker> hmm, i don't get that version here
[09:07] <xhaker> 1.64-1
[09:07] <xhaker> still
[09:07] <mvo> elmo: can you please sync scite from debian?
[09:08] <mvo> xhaker: right, it's not yet synced into ubuntu, but the fix is only a couple of hours old :)
[09:08] <xhaker> fix to the text jibberish that occurs?
[09:09] <mvo> xhaker: yes, scite does not work with the new libpango out of the box
[09:09] <mvo> a small patch is needed to fix that
[09:09] <xhaker> then i'll wait for the sync
[09:09] <mvo> xhaker: if you want to test it right now, you can just rebuild the debian package locally 
[09:10] <xhaker> how?
[09:10] <xhaker> get the src from what repositorie?
[09:11] <mvo> xhaker: get the source (three files) from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/scite
[09:11] <mvo> or add a deb-src line to the debian unstable repository 
[09:11] <mvo> or just wait for the sync :)
[09:11] <mvo> (shouldn't take long)
[09:12] <xhaker> looks like i have alot of options :)
[09:14] <xhaker> hah, the source on that site is for -1
[09:16] <mvo> xhaker: odd, I uploaded it a couple of hours ago 
[09:17] <xhaker> mvo, i'm just reporting what i see :P
[09:18] <mvo> xhaker: I see the same, it's not in the pool yet
[09:53] <torkel> seb128: ping?
[09:53] <seb128> torkel: pong
[09:54] <torkel> seb128: seen http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314530
[09:54] <torkel> I'm hit by that bug too, but it usually crashes gnome-screensaver for me
[09:55] <crimsun> hmm, getting a connection refused when trying to dput
[09:55] <seb128> torkel: nop
[09:55] <seb128> torkel: does the patch fix your issue?
[09:55] <torkel> seb128: yes
[09:56] <seb128> I'll fix it
[09:56] <torkel> thanks!
[09:56] <seb128> np
[10:07] <infinity> crimsun : That machine is unhappy right now.  Wait a while, elmo's heading to the DC to give it some love.
[10:07] <crimsun> infinity, thanks!
[10:09] <ivoks> infinity: or old russian method? :)
[10:09] <jbailey> infinity: Oy, Adam. =)
[10:09] <jbailey> err.
[10:09] <jbailey> "ping" =)
[10:19] <infinity> jbailey : pong?
[10:39] <elmo> (ftp-master is back)
[10:40] <crimsun> rock
[10:40] <crimsun> thanks, elmo 
[10:45] <lamont> mdz: ping
[10:46] <lamont> mdz: nm
[10:50] <Mitario> elmo, great :) btw, can you give me MOTU upload access?
[10:56] <mdz> lamont: pongnm
[11:17] <zeedo> .mode zeedo
[11:20] <jbailey> mdz: ogra and I were chatting earlier about ltsp.  He mentioned that it was sad that there was no way to PXE boot a laptop with wireless for ltsp.  I don't think it'd be that hard to do something like that where either we did something with a PXE loader and kexec, or just did an nfsroot bootup with local media.
[11:21] <jbailey> mdz: The key part to each would be adding the ability to load firmware for the network card in the initramfs.  Is that something work trying for for Breezy, or should I add it to my list of things for earlyuserspace cleanup for breezy+1?
[11:21] <mdz> jbailey: I don't know of any laptops which can PXE boot over wireless
[11:21] <infinity> Yes, but it can be faked.
[11:21] <mdz> I think it's the sort of feature we should wait to implement until there is demand
[11:22] <jbailey> mdz: Right.  They would need a local CDROM or something like that to boot a Linux system and then fake it.
[11:22] <mdz> jbailey: we'd also need to worry about l-r-m
[11:22] <mdz> I think that it's easier to fake it using grub than messing with PXE and pxelinux
[11:22] <jbailey> Hmm, I hadn't been thinking much beyond making it easy to get the firmware on to there.
[11:23] <mdz> though, I don't suppose grub supports wireless NICs either
[11:23] <jbailey> I doubt it.
[11:23] <tseng> mdz: hi. it looks like monodevelop is still in main, is this intended?
[11:23] <jbailey> Doing it all in Linux would probably be the most sane.
[11:23] <infinity> Clearly, we should be pushing LinuxBIOS everywhere.
[11:24] <mdz> tseng: it's been removed from the seeds and is either a) still pulled in by a dependency, or b) waiting to be physically moved out of main
[11:24] <crimsun> jbailey, FWIW, the only way I could get Linux onto this ThinkPad X41 was via PXE over the wired eth, since this machine lacks a cd-rom drive.
[11:25] <tseng> mdz: hm well nothing should depend on it.
[11:25] <jbailey> crimsun: Joy.  I'm the one supposed to be hacking on the floppy install for 2.6 for d-i in Debian.
[11:25] <mdz> elmo: is it intentional that I can't login to jackass?
[11:25] <infinity> jbailey : That doens't help, no floppy on the X series either. :)
[11:25] <crimsun> infinity, right. :)
[11:25] <jbailey> No floppy, no cd?
[11:26] <jbailey> That's..  impressive.
[11:26] <crimsun> none.
[11:26] <infinity> mdz : Already pinged him about that, he's still in transit.
[11:26] <jbailey> Do they epoxy the case closed, too?
[11:26] <crimsun> thankfully, no
[11:26] <mdz> tseng: I can't check right now, but it's probably waiting for the next archive resysnc
[11:26] <mdz> resync
[11:26] <infinity> mdz : With any luck, HE can still login.  If not, maybe you should phone his mobile so he can turn around and go back to the DC...
[11:26] <mdz> tseng: moving packages between components is a manual process
[11:27] <tseng> mdz: alright.
[11:27] <mdz> infinity: he's a professional, I'm sure he checked before he left
[11:27] <infinity> mdz : Almost certainly, but this could be the exception proving the rule. :)
[11:27] <mdz> tseng: first we change the seeds, then germinate thinks about what that means, and then we look at the diff between germinate and the archive and take action based on that
[11:28] <mdz> infinity: besides, he doesn't live far away from the DC anymore
[11:28] <infinity> jbailey : You can get USB cdrom or floppy drives for the X series, but pretty much no one does.  Windows users can restore from the system restore partition (unless they foolishly delete it), and Linux users can install via PXE, so it all works out.
[11:28] <elmo> oh for christ's SAKE
[11:28] <infinity> Speak of the devil.
[11:28] <elmo> right.  change of plan.  new ftp-master machine
[11:29] <infinity> One with 20% more bling?
[11:30] <elmo> one with 1000% less RAID card death
[11:30] <elmo> bbiab
[11:39] <Mithrandir> crimsun: you could probably also have installed off an USB stick.
[11:40] <infinity> jbailey : What's this all about?  "/init: 89: chmod: not found"
[11:40] <infinity> jbailey : I get that right after the kernel audit message.
[11:40] <tseng> infinity: isnt that usplash badness?
[11:40] <infinity> Oh, couls be.  It's "earlyuserspace", so I just blame jbailey by default.
[11:40] <infinity> s/couls/could/
[11:41] <crimsun> Mithrandir, true, but then I would have chosen the less effort route of buying a usb cd-rom. Plus I needed to hone up on PXE.
[11:41] <Mithrandir> crimsun: price of USB driver >> price of USB stick, but yeah.
[11:41] <Mithrandir> crimsun: at least I tend to have USB sticks lying about.
[11:42] <Mithrandir> (you need 8MB or bigger stick to do a netinst of Ubuntu)
[11:42] <crimsun> hmm, I should just get a bunch of USB thumb drives
[11:42] <torkel> does anyone have a .deb of linux-headers-2.6.12-6-686 available?
[11:42] <crimsun> should be in the morgue
[11:43] <infinity> The morgue that hasn't been updated since April?
[11:44] <crimsun> ok, not in the morgue then :P
[11:44] <torkel> nope :-(
[11:46] <mdz> infinity: it's a harmless usplash error
[11:46] <jbailey> infinity: forgot about that one when I was hacking today, sorry.  There's no chmod in initramfs' busybox, need to change that.
[11:47] <JanC> crimsun : you can boot the debian-installer from a windows partition...
[11:47] <jbailey> It's when I mount the old /dev onto /dev/.static, it should be chmod'd 700 so that nothing uses it.
[11:48] <mdz> oh, I thought it was usplash
[11:49] <Mithrandir> JanC: hmm?  I though loadlin was broken with 2.6 kernels?
[11:49] <JanC> there is a grub-for-windows
[11:49] <Mithrandir> ok
[11:51] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromWindows