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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 26 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council | Sept 2 12:00 UTC : Edubuntu Update Meeting | 6 Sep 20:00 UTC: Tech Board | 7 Sep 22:00 UTC: MOTU
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 26 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council | Sept 2 12:00 UTC : Edubuntu Update Meeting | 6 Sep 20:00 UTC: Tech Board | 7 Sep 22:00 UTC: MOTU
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jsgotangcogreat04:01
jsgotangcowe're only 2?04:01
ajmitchhi jsgotangco 04:01
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ajmitchdocteam?04:02
jsgotangcoyeah04:02
jsgotangcowtf04:02
jjessewhere is everyone? 04:02
jsgotangcothey requested 14UTC on friday and no one comes04:02
jjesseor does no one have anything to contribute?04:02
jsgotangcojjesse: that is sad04:02
jsgotangcoif that's the case04:02
jjessejsgotangco: i agree it is sad, there has been like no movement on the kubuntu docs except what i have done04:03
jjessepeople have dropped off :(04:03
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jsgotangcojjesse: sorry if that is the case, I have been busy with other stuff...04:03
Mezhehe :D04:03
jjesseno worries jsgotangco 04:03
Mezat least you had a better turn out than my last NUN meeting04:03
jsgotangcothe Edubuntu project is taking too much time04:03
Mezlast time, I had noone turn up04:04
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mdkehi all04:04
jsgotangcoooo04:04
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mdkesorry I'm a little late04:05
jsgotangcompt: sorry about that, my fault i didnt send an email :(04:05
jsgotangcomdke: we're only 304:05
mdkeah04:05
jsgotangcohmmm04:06
mdkeso what's the plan?04:06
jsgotangcowe can't make a decision04:06
jsgotangcoi can just blabber about what im doing04:06
jsgotangcoand let jjesse talk as well04:06
jsgotangcoother than the currently murderous laptop testing i am involved, i am also being mauled by edubuntu...04:07
mdkehow is edubuntu?04:07
jsgotangcothe cookbook is doing well, i am awaiting highvoltage's troubleshooting guide04:07
jsgotangcowe can't meet up with doc freeze but ogra is ok with it04:07
mdkeis it getting a bit of testing on some networks?04:08
jsgotangcoyes04:08
mdkethat's cool04:08
jsgotangcobut there's a snag on some dhcp issues04:08
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jsgotangcoother than that, ogra was a prototype with gartoon icons and all04:08
mptogra is a prototype? cool04:09
jsgotangcohey jeffsch04:09
jsgotangcos/was/has04:09
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jeffschhowdy04:09
mpt:-)04:09
mdkehi there jeffsch 04:09
jsgotangcochrist i cant focus on the meeting big brother is on tv04:09
jsgotangcoother than that, the only big project for edubuntu is the cookbook04:10
jsgotangcobut its so hard because im the only one doing it at the moment04:10
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jsgotangcoim not complaining really just saying the current situation04:10
=== mdke nods
jsgotangcoQuick tour is being done by Burgundavia04:10
jsgotangcohe plans to do it in HTML04:11
jsgotangcounderstandable though, it should be formatted accordingly04:11
mdkei would like to know, where is the spec for the quick tour?04:11
jsgotangcothere's no spec really, but there's a draft04:11
mptjsgotangco: Try the power button04:11
jsgotangcoQuickTourDraft04:11
mdkei heard a lot about a "respec" of the quickguide, but I never actually saw a spec04:11
jsgotangcompt: no way, they are playing in the pool04:12
mdkedoes anyone have the ip of the docteam linode handy?04:12
jsgotangcoi don't even know it!04:12
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mdkeit starts with 6504:12
mdke;)04:12
jsgotangco65.19.178.13204:13
mdkety04:13
jsgotangcoso there that's what im gonna say about what i've been up to04:14
mdkewe still need a domain name for that04:14
jsgotangcomdke: you have root access?04:14
jsgotangcojjesse: your turn if you're ready04:15
mdkeyes, myself and henrik04:15
jsgotangcojjesse: ?04:16
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jsgotangcoguys?04:17
jsgotangcook04:17
jsgotangcoyesterday james was on the room04:17
jsgotangco(jblack)04:18
jsgotangcohe was selling baz to us04:18
jsgotangcogood thing a good number of people weere online04:18
jsgotangcoim not so sure if the others were convinced04:18
jsgotangcojeffsch: ?04:18
jjessesorry04:18
jjesseboss was here04:18
jsgotangcooh alright04:18
jjessethe question i need to know is what is going to be breezy's package management program?04:19
jsgotangcomdke: ?04:19
jsgotangcojjesse: for kubuntu?04:19
mdkejsgotangco, sup?04:19
jjesseyes for kubuntu04:19
jsgotangcojjesse: did you ask Riddell or amu?04:19
jjesseno i didn't kow who to ask04:20
jsgotangcook you can ask Riddell he's lead on all things Kubuntu with Amu04:20
jjessethanks i will ask then i can make the changes04:20
jsgotangcosorry i don't know either04:20
jsgotangco( i havent been using kde for a while)04:20
jsgotangcojjesse: what doc were you doing again?04:21
jjessekuserguide but kquickguide will need to be changed as well04:21
jjesseif the package manager changes04:21
jjessewe refrence kynaptic throughout all of the kubuntu docs04:22
jsgotangcojjesse: ok i promise to review the doc this weekend for typos and consistency but i cannot promise to change the text04:22
jjesseno problems. i will change what needs to be changed just let me know04:22
jsgotangcoalright, i will ask the kubuntu people as well, but you should try asking them yourself as well so they'll know who they are working with :)04:23
jsgotangcoRiddell is also open to reviewing the doc i talked to him before04:23
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jsgotangcoyay04:24
jeffschis anyone reviewing the faqguide? (other than me)04:24
jjesseok i will ask them directly and ask for help if i am not getting a response04:24
jsgotangcojeffsch: i did, it's quite painful to read it in yelp :)04:24
Burgundavia*yawn*04:25
jsgotangcocan it be exported to html?04:25
jsgotangcothe doc is profiled btw04:25
jeffschyes. cd ubuntu-doc/gnome04:25
jeffschmake faq04:25
jeffschthat will build all versions04:25
jjessealso i'm trying to convice apokryphos who helps a lot of people on #kubuntu to help reviewing the docs04:25
jsgotangcoahhh04:25
jeffschyou can make faqi386 to build only i386 version04:25
jsgotangcohmm04:26
jsgotangcocan we put the build instructions in a wiki page?04:26
mdkei also hope to have a look at the faqguide04:26
jeffschjsgotangco: i will try to find the time. no promises though04:27
jsgotangcojeffsch: no worries, i will build the docs later so i know what to do too04:27
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jeffschhow often do the links from DocteamProjects get updated?04:28
jsgotangcomdke: ?04:28
mdkeabout twice a week04:28
mdkebut we really should be using the linode04:28
mdkethat updates every day04:29
jsgotangcoi thought the previews are already done in linode?04:29
jeffschhow long before we get a name for the linode04:29
mdkejeffsch, your guess is as good as mine, we've been waiting ages on elmo04:29
jjessecan we move the previews of the kubuntu docs there as well, they haven't been updated in awhile :(04:29
jeffschmaybe we can just go ahead and use the ip for now. change it to the domain name if and when it comes04:30
mdkejjesse, it is all there already04:30
mdkejeffsch, yeah i think that may be the best idea04:31
jsgotangcoit would have been faster if we got a .tk domain :)04:31
jsgotangcoor i paid $15 for a .us one04:31
mdkeor we could just add a dyndns domain04:31
mdkefor free04:31
mdkei don't mind doing that04:31
jjessehmmm then we need to change the link on docteam projects cause the preview goes to the http://lnix.net/~froud/ site which hasn't been updated04:32
mdkejjesse, yeah, we are still waiting on a domain name for the linode server04:32
mdkeok i'll set up a dyndns for now04:33
jsgotangcolet's do the dyndns now04:33
mdkeok04:34
mdkeany preferences?04:34
jsgotangcolet's see elmo's response04:34
jsgotangcowhat does he mean by that?04:35
jsgotangcook we settle this later04:37
jsgotangcoBurgundavia: you got an update?04:37
Burgundaviaquicktour should go into HTML by today or tomorrow04:38
Burgundaviathen we can start taking screenshots04:39
jsgotangcohave you tried today's build its pretty solid04:39
mdkeBurgundavia, where is the spec for the respecced quicktour?04:39
Burgundaviain my head?04:39
mdkei see04:39
Burgundaviacool new features from Breezy and cool features from Ubuntu04:39
Burgundaviapretty simple doc actually04:40
mdkeso is this a docteam project at all?04:40
Burgundaviayes04:40
jeffschBurgundavia: publish the spec. we cant help you if we don't know the point of the doc04:40
mdkequite04:40
Burgundaviajeffsch, mdke ok04:40
mdkeit's not a docteam project until then04:40
BurgundaviaI will put it at the top of QuickTourDraft04:40
mdkeyou just said "i've respecced the quickguide", but we never saw it04:41
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jsgotangcook?04:43
Burgundaviadone04:44
jsgotangco?04:44
jsgotangcowow04:44
jsgotangco1 sentence?04:45
Burgundaviait is a very simple spec04:45
Burgundaviafor a simple doc04:45
jsgotangcoahrr04:45
jsgotangcook anything more?04:47
jsgotangcothis is a terribly boring meeting04:47
Burgundaviawhere are we at for shipping docs?04:48
jsgotangcothe lesson of the story here is next time, we do a spec at the very start04:48
Burgundaviayes04:48
jsgotangcoit was my mistake not to do it before04:48
mdkehow can others contribute to quicktour?04:49
mdkeon the wiki?04:49
Burgundaviayes04:50
Burgundaviathe html should be going into svn RSN04:50
mdkedo you think it would be good to send a call for contributions?04:50
Burgundaviasort of did04:50
jsgotangcoi asked Burgundavia if it can be shown to the world 1 month before release04:51
jsgotangcosort of a sneak preview04:51
jeffschso we have quicktour and faqguide that we should be working on04:52
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jeffschwe need to have both done by sept 8, right?04:52
Burgundaviayes04:52
jeffschso far myself and mdke have said we will be reviewing faqguide04:53
jeffschwe need more volunteers if we are going to have it done in time04:53
BurgundaviaI may get a chance to04:53
mdkerob will help04:53
jeffschsee the changes i made to the first few questions in tips and tricks to see how things should be04:54
jeffschas it is now, the faq guide style is curt04:54
jeffschnot good for new users04:54
Burgundaviacurt?04:55
jeffschit was written to get the info out there fast, but now it needs to be made more presentable04:55
Burgundaviaah, ok04:56
jsgotangcojeffsch: that's the problem. UbuntuHelp should fix that but its not really ready for primetime04:56
jeffschyes. after breezy we can deal with ubuntuhelp04:57
mdkewell the faqguide can be made presentable I'm sure04:57
jeffschright now though, we need faqguide to appear more friendly04:57
jeffschmdke: yes04:58
jsgotangcowe only have 2 weeks04:59
jsgotangcocan it be revised on time?04:59
mdkewe can try.04:59
jeffschwe should get as much done as possible04:59
mdkeif we can also ask rob^ to amend some of the style, this will help because he spends lots of time working on it05:00
jeffschas long as he isn't sick of it by now :)05:00
mdke;)05:01
jsgotangcohe already put it up for review so i guess that's a go signal for us05:01
jeffschso me and mdke will be reviewing. anyone else? jsgotangco?05:01
jsgotangcosure05:02
jsgotangcoim up for it05:02
jsgotangcorob^ hasn't been updating for a while so i guess its a go05:02
jeffschok. i have started at the back. someone take the front, and someone take the middle05:02
mdkeyes the relevant sections are marked for review05:02
mdkesee the status report05:02
jeffschin the faqguide, when you come across something like (for eg) Read Q10.1, change it to what it really is05:05
jeffschso Read Q 10.1 would become "Restart GNOME. (See Q 10.1)05:05
mdkei've set up ubuntu-doc.ath.cx for the linode05:06
mdkeis that acceptable?05:06
jsgotangcoyes05:06
jeffschthat's not the permanent one though, right?05:06
mdkeno the permanent one should be doc.ubuntu.com05:06
jeffschso why not just use the ip?05:07
jeffschis the ip going to change?05:07
jsgotangcoits a long story05:07
jeffschnp. just curious.05:08
mdkethe ip shouldn't change05:08
mdkeit seems there is a problem with pointing doc.ubuntu.com to the linode05:08
mdkeelmo and henrik will sort it out together i hope05:09
jeffschok. are we done yet?05:09
mdkei'm off now05:09
jsgotangcoalright anythign else05:10
Burgundavianope05:10
jsgotangcowe can do in the list05:10
jsgotangcodon't forget to greet me happy birthday05:10
mdkehappy birthday05:10
jeffschjsgotangco: happy birthday05:10
jsgotangcodoh05:10
jsgotangcoerrr baz?05:11
Burgundaviabest to discuss that post-Sept 8th05:11
jeffschlet's keep baz discussion on #ubuntu-doc for now05:11
jsgotangcook05:12
jsgotangcoanything else?05:12
jsgotangcoalright were cool thanks all05:12
jeffschc ya05:13
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