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[04:01] hi jsgotangco === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:02] docteam? [04:02] yeah [04:02] wtf [04:02] where is everyone? [04:02] they requested 14UTC on friday and no one comes [04:02] or does no one have anything to contribute? [04:02] jjesse: that is sad [04:02] if that's the case [04:03] jsgotangco: i agree it is sad, there has been like no movement on the kubuntu docs except what i have done [04:03] people have dropped off :( === jsgotangco wonders what must he do to pull off this thing again [04:03] jjesse: sorry if that is the case, I have been busy with other stuff... [04:03] hehe :D [04:03] no worries jsgotangco [04:03] at least you had a better turn out than my last NUN meeting [04:03] the Edubuntu project is taking too much time [04:04] last time, I had noone turn up === mpt hadn't heard anything about a meeting === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:04] hi all [04:04] ooo === jsgotangco hugs mdke [04:05] sorry I'm a little late [04:05] mpt: sorry about that, my fault i didnt send an email :( [04:05] mdke: we're only 3 [04:05] ah [04:06] hmmm [04:06] so what's the plan? [04:06] we can't make a decision [04:06] i can just blabber about what im doing [04:06] and let jjesse talk as well [04:07] other than the currently murderous laptop testing i am involved, i am also being mauled by edubuntu... [04:07] how is edubuntu? [04:07] the cookbook is doing well, i am awaiting highvoltage's troubleshooting guide [04:07] we can't meet up with doc freeze but ogra is ok with it [04:08] is it getting a bit of testing on some networks? [04:08] yes [04:08] that's cool [04:08] but there's a snag on some dhcp issues === jeffsch [n=jeffsch@fatwire-201-39.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:08] other than that, ogra was a prototype with gartoon icons and all [04:09] ogra is a prototype? cool [04:09] hey jeffsch [04:09] s/was/has === mpt looks forward to ogra 1.0 [04:09] howdy [04:09] :-) [04:09] hi there jeffsch [04:09] christ i cant focus on the meeting big brother is on tv [04:10] other than that, the only big project for edubuntu is the cookbook [04:10] but its so hard because im the only one doing it at the moment === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:10] im not complaining really just saying the current situation === mdke nods [04:10] Quick tour is being done by Burgundavia [04:11] he plans to do it in HTML [04:11] understandable though, it should be formatted accordingly [04:11] i would like to know, where is the spec for the quick tour? [04:11] there's no spec really, but there's a draft [04:11] jsgotangco: Try the power button [04:11] QuickTourDraft [04:11] i heard a lot about a "respec" of the quickguide, but I never actually saw a spec [04:12] mpt: no way, they are playing in the pool [04:12] does anyone have the ip of the docteam linode handy? [04:12] i don't even know it! === jsgotangco checks gmail [04:12] it starts with 65 [04:12] ;) [04:13] 65.19.178.132 [04:13] ty [04:14] so there that's what im gonna say about what i've been up to [04:14] we still need a domain name for that [04:14] mdke: you have root access? [04:15] jjesse: your turn if you're ready [04:15] yes, myself and henrik [04:16] jjesse: ? === jsgotangco wishes mgalvin was here he can explain further the packaging stuff [04:17] guys? [04:17] ok [04:17] yesterday james was on the room [04:18] (jblack) [04:18] he was selling baz to us [04:18] good thing a good number of people weere online [04:18] im not so sure if the others were convinced [04:18] jeffsch: ? [04:18] sorry [04:18] boss was here [04:18] oh alright [04:19] the question i need to know is what is going to be breezy's package management program? [04:19] mdke: ? [04:19] jjesse: for kubuntu? [04:19] jsgotangco, sup? [04:19] yes for kubuntu [04:19] jjesse: did you ask Riddell or amu? [04:20] no i didn't kow who to ask [04:20] ok you can ask Riddell he's lead on all things Kubuntu with Amu [04:20] thanks i will ask then i can make the changes [04:20] sorry i don't know either [04:20] ( i havent been using kde for a while) [04:21] jjesse: what doc were you doing again? [04:21] kuserguide but kquickguide will need to be changed as well [04:21] if the package manager changes [04:22] we refrence kynaptic throughout all of the kubuntu docs [04:22] jjesse: ok i promise to review the doc this weekend for typos and consistency but i cannot promise to change the text [04:22] no problems. i will change what needs to be changed just let me know [04:23] alright, i will ask the kubuntu people as well, but you should try asking them yourself as well so they'll know who they are working with :) [04:23] Riddell is also open to reviewing the doc i talked to him before === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:24] yay [04:24] is anyone reviewing the faqguide? (other than me) [04:24] ok i will ask them directly and ask for help if i am not getting a response [04:24] jeffsch: i did, it's quite painful to read it in yelp :) [04:25] *yawn* [04:25] can it be exported to html? [04:25] the doc is profiled btw [04:25] yes. cd ubuntu-doc/gnome [04:25] make faq [04:25] that will build all versions [04:25] also i'm trying to convice apokryphos who helps a lot of people on #kubuntu to help reviewing the docs [04:25] ahhh [04:25] you can make faqi386 to build only i386 version [04:26] hmm [04:26] can we put the build instructions in a wiki page? [04:26] i also hope to have a look at the faqguide [04:27] jsgotangco: i will try to find the time. no promises though [04:27] jeffsch: no worries, i will build the docs later so i know what to do too === jsgotangco haven't been attentive on the script options lately [04:28] how often do the links from DocteamProjects get updated? [04:28] mdke: ? [04:28] about twice a week [04:28] but we really should be using the linode [04:29] that updates every day [04:29] i thought the previews are already done in linode? [04:29] how long before we get a name for the linode [04:29] jeffsch, your guess is as good as mine, we've been waiting ages on elmo [04:29] can we move the previews of the kubuntu docs there as well, they haven't been updated in awhile :( [04:30] maybe we can just go ahead and use the ip for now. change it to the domain name if and when it comes [04:30] jjesse, it is all there already [04:31] jeffsch, yeah i think that may be the best idea [04:31] it would have been faster if we got a .tk domain :) [04:31] or i paid $15 for a .us one [04:31] or we could just add a dyndns domain [04:31] for free [04:31] i don't mind doing that [04:32] hmmm then we need to change the link on docteam projects cause the preview goes to the http://lnix.net/~froud/ site which hasn't been updated [04:32] jjesse, yeah, we are still waiting on a domain name for the linode server [04:33] ok i'll set up a dyndns for now [04:33] let's do the dyndns now [04:34] ok [04:34] any preferences? [04:34] let's see elmo's response [04:35] what does he mean by that? [04:37] ok we settle this later [04:37] Burgundavia: you got an update? [04:38] quicktour should go into HTML by today or tomorrow [04:39] then we can start taking screenshots [04:39] have you tried today's build its pretty solid [04:39] Burgundavia, where is the spec for the respecced quicktour? [04:39] in my head? [04:39] i see [04:39] cool new features from Breezy and cool features from Ubuntu [04:40] pretty simple doc actually [04:40] so is this a docteam project at all? [04:40] yes [04:40] Burgundavia: publish the spec. we cant help you if we don't know the point of the doc [04:40] quite [04:40] jeffsch, mdke ok [04:40] it's not a docteam project until then [04:40] I will put it at the top of QuickTourDraft [04:41] you just said "i've respecced the quickguide", but we never saw it === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E042.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:43] ok? [04:44] done [04:44] ? [04:44] wow [04:45] 1 sentence? [04:45] it is a very simple spec [04:45] for a simple doc [04:45] ahrr [04:47] ok anything more? [04:47] this is a terribly boring meeting [04:48] where are we at for shipping docs? [04:48] the lesson of the story here is next time, we do a spec at the very start [04:48] yes [04:48] it was my mistake not to do it before [04:49] how can others contribute to quicktour? [04:49] on the wiki? [04:50] yes [04:50] the html should be going into svn RSN [04:50] do you think it would be good to send a call for contributions? [04:50] sort of did [04:51] i asked Burgundavia if it can be shown to the world 1 month before release [04:51] sort of a sneak preview [04:52] so we have quicktour and faqguide that we should be working on === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:52] we need to have both done by sept 8, right? [04:52] yes [04:53] so far myself and mdke have said we will be reviewing faqguide [04:53] we need more volunteers if we are going to have it done in time [04:53] I may get a chance to [04:53] rob will help [04:54] see the changes i made to the first few questions in tips and tricks to see how things should be [04:54] as it is now, the faq guide style is curt [04:54] not good for new users [04:55] curt? [04:55] it was written to get the info out there fast, but now it needs to be made more presentable [04:56] ah, ok [04:56] jeffsch: that's the problem. UbuntuHelp should fix that but its not really ready for primetime [04:57] yes. after breezy we can deal with ubuntuhelp [04:57] well the faqguide can be made presentable I'm sure [04:57] right now though, we need faqguide to appear more friendly [04:58] mdke: yes [04:59] we only have 2 weeks [04:59] can it be revised on time? [04:59] we can try. [04:59] we should get as much done as possible [05:00] if we can also ask rob^ to amend some of the style, this will help because he spends lots of time working on it [05:00] as long as he isn't sick of it by now :) [05:01] ;) [05:01] he already put it up for review so i guess that's a go signal for us [05:01] so me and mdke will be reviewing. anyone else? jsgotangco? [05:02] sure [05:02] im up for it [05:02] rob^ hasn't been updating for a while so i guess its a go [05:02] ok. i have started at the back. someone take the front, and someone take the middle [05:02] yes the relevant sections are marked for review [05:02] see the status report [05:05] in the faqguide, when you come across something like (for eg) Read Q10.1, change it to what it really is [05:05] so Read Q 10.1 would become "Restart GNOME. (See Q 10.1) [05:06] i've set up ubuntu-doc.ath.cx for the linode [05:06] is that acceptable? [05:06] yes [05:06] that's not the permanent one though, right? [05:06] no the permanent one should be doc.ubuntu.com [05:07] so why not just use the ip? [05:07] is the ip going to change? [05:07] its a long story [05:08] np. just curious. [05:08] the ip shouldn't change [05:08] it seems there is a problem with pointing doc.ubuntu.com to the linode [05:09] elmo and henrik will sort it out together i hope [05:09] ok. are we done yet? [05:09] i'm off now [05:10] alright anythign else [05:10] nope [05:10] we can do in the list [05:10] don't forget to greet me happy birthday [05:10] happy birthday [05:10] jsgotangco: happy birthday [05:10] doh [05:11] errr baz? [05:11] best to discuss that post-Sept 8th [05:11] let's keep baz discussion on #ubuntu-doc for now [05:12] ok [05:12] anything else? 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