[04:01] <jsgotangco> great
[04:01] <jsgotangco> we're only 2?
[04:01] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco 
[04:02] <ajmitch> docteam?
[04:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:02] <jsgotangco> wtf
[04:02] <jjesse> where is everyone? 
[04:02] <jsgotangco> they requested 14UTC on friday and no one comes
[04:02] <jjesse> or does no one have anything to contribute?
[04:02] <jsgotangco> jjesse: that is sad
[04:02] <jsgotangco> if that's the case
[04:03] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i agree it is sad, there has been like no movement on the kubuntu docs except what i have done
[04:03] <jjesse> people have dropped off :(
[04:03] <jsgotangco> jjesse: sorry if that is the case, I have been busy with other stuff...
[04:03] <Mez> hehe :D
[04:03] <jjesse> no worries jsgotangco 
[04:03] <Mez> at least you had a better turn out than my last NUN meeting
[04:03] <jsgotangco> the Edubuntu project is taking too much time
[04:04] <Mez> last time, I had noone turn up
[04:04] <mdke> hi all
[04:04] <jsgotangco> ooo
[04:05] <mdke> sorry I'm a little late
[04:05] <jsgotangco> mpt: sorry about that, my fault i didnt send an email :(
[04:05] <jsgotangco> mdke: we're only 3
[04:05] <mdke> ah
[04:06] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:06] <mdke> so what's the plan?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> we can't make a decision
[04:06] <jsgotangco> i can just blabber about what im doing
[04:06] <jsgotangco> and let jjesse talk as well
[04:07] <jsgotangco> other than the currently murderous laptop testing i am involved, i am also being mauled by edubuntu...
[04:07] <mdke> how is edubuntu?
[04:07] <jsgotangco> the cookbook is doing well, i am awaiting highvoltage's troubleshooting guide
[04:07] <jsgotangco> we can't meet up with doc freeze but ogra is ok with it
[04:08] <mdke> is it getting a bit of testing on some networks?
[04:08] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:08] <mdke> that's cool
[04:08] <jsgotangco> but there's a snag on some dhcp issues
[04:08] <jsgotangco> other than that, ogra was a prototype with gartoon icons and all
[04:09] <mpt> ogra is a prototype? cool
[04:09] <jsgotangco> hey jeffsch
[04:09] <jsgotangco> s/was/has
[04:09] <jeffsch> howdy
[04:09] <mpt> :-)
[04:09] <mdke> hi there jeffsch 
[04:09] <jsgotangco> christ i cant focus on the meeting big brother is on tv
[04:10] <jsgotangco> other than that, the only big project for edubuntu is the cookbook
[04:10] <jsgotangco> but its so hard because im the only one doing it at the moment
[04:10] <jsgotangco> im not complaining really just saying the current situation
[04:10] <jsgotangco> Quick tour is being done by Burgundavia
[04:11] <jsgotangco> he plans to do it in HTML
[04:11] <jsgotangco> understandable though, it should be formatted accordingly
[04:11] <mdke> i would like to know, where is the spec for the quick tour?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> there's no spec really, but there's a draft
[04:11] <mpt> jsgotangco: Try the power button
[04:11] <jsgotangco> QuickTourDraft
[04:11] <mdke> i heard a lot about a "respec" of the quickguide, but I never actually saw a spec
[04:12] <jsgotangco> mpt: no way, they are playing in the pool
[04:12] <mdke> does anyone have the ip of the docteam linode handy?
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i don't even know it!
[04:12] <mdke> it starts with 65
[04:12] <mdke> ;)
[04:13] <jsgotangco> 65.19.178.132
[04:13] <mdke> ty
[04:14] <jsgotangco> so there that's what im gonna say about what i've been up to
[04:14] <mdke> we still need a domain name for that
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mdke: you have root access?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> jjesse: your turn if you're ready
[04:15] <mdke> yes, myself and henrik
[04:16] <jsgotangco> jjesse: ?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> guys?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:17] <jsgotangco> yesterday james was on the room
[04:18] <jsgotangco> (jblack)
[04:18] <jsgotangco> he was selling baz to us
[04:18] <jsgotangco> good thing a good number of people weere online
[04:18] <jsgotangco> im not so sure if the others were convinced
[04:18] <jsgotangco> jeffsch: ?
[04:18] <jjesse> sorry
[04:18] <jjesse> boss was here
[04:18] <jsgotangco> oh alright
[04:19] <jjesse> the question i need to know is what is going to be breezy's package management program?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> mdke: ?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> jjesse: for kubuntu?
[04:19] <mdke> jsgotangco, sup?
[04:19] <jjesse> yes for kubuntu
[04:19] <jsgotangco> jjesse: did you ask Riddell or amu?
[04:20] <jjesse> no i didn't kow who to ask
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ok you can ask Riddell he's lead on all things Kubuntu with Amu
[04:20] <jjesse> thanks i will ask then i can make the changes
[04:20] <jsgotangco> sorry i don't know either
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ( i havent been using kde for a while)
[04:21] <jsgotangco> jjesse: what doc were you doing again?
[04:21] <jjesse> kuserguide but kquickguide will need to be changed as well
[04:21] <jjesse> if the package manager changes
[04:22] <jjesse> we refrence kynaptic throughout all of the kubuntu docs
[04:22] <jsgotangco> jjesse: ok i promise to review the doc this weekend for typos and consistency but i cannot promise to change the text
[04:22] <jjesse> no problems. i will change what needs to be changed just let me know
[04:23] <jsgotangco> alright, i will ask the kubuntu people as well, but you should try asking them yourself as well so they'll know who they are working with :)
[04:23] <jsgotangco> Riddell is also open to reviewing the doc i talked to him before
[04:24] <jsgotangco> yay
[04:24] <jeffsch> is anyone reviewing the faqguide? (other than me)
[04:24] <jjesse> ok i will ask them directly and ask for help if i am not getting a response
[04:24] <jsgotangco> jeffsch: i did, it's quite painful to read it in yelp :)
[04:25] <Burgundavia> *yawn*
[04:25] <jsgotangco> can it be exported to html?
[04:25] <jsgotangco> the doc is profiled btw
[04:25] <jeffsch> yes. cd ubuntu-doc/gnome
[04:25] <jeffsch> make faq
[04:25] <jeffsch> that will build all versions
[04:25] <jjesse> also i'm trying to convice apokryphos who helps a lot of people on #kubuntu to help reviewing the docs
[04:25] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:25] <jeffsch> you can make faqi386 to build only i386 version
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:26] <jsgotangco> can we put the build instructions in a wiki page?
[04:26] <mdke> i also hope to have a look at the faqguide
[04:27] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: i will try to find the time. no promises though
[04:27] <jsgotangco> jeffsch: no worries, i will build the docs later so i know what to do too
[04:28] <jeffsch> how often do the links from DocteamProjects get updated?
[04:28] <jsgotangco> mdke: ?
[04:28] <mdke> about twice a week
[04:28] <mdke> but we really should be using the linode
[04:29] <mdke> that updates every day
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i thought the previews are already done in linode?
[04:29] <jeffsch> how long before we get a name for the linode
[04:29] <mdke> jeffsch, your guess is as good as mine, we've been waiting ages on elmo
[04:29] <jjesse> can we move the previews of the kubuntu docs there as well, they haven't been updated in awhile :(
[04:30] <jeffsch> maybe we can just go ahead and use the ip for now. change it to the domain name if and when it comes
[04:30] <mdke> jjesse, it is all there already
[04:31] <mdke> jeffsch, yeah i think that may be the best idea
[04:31] <jsgotangco> it would have been faster if we got a .tk domain :)
[04:31] <jsgotangco> or i paid $15 for a .us one
[04:31] <mdke> or we could just add a dyndns domain
[04:31] <mdke> for free
[04:31] <mdke> i don't mind doing that
[04:32] <jjesse> hmmm then we need to change the link on docteam projects cause the preview goes to the http://lnix.net/~froud/ site which hasn't been updated
[04:32] <mdke> jjesse, yeah, we are still waiting on a domain name for the linode server
[04:33] <mdke> ok i'll set up a dyndns for now
[04:33] <jsgotangco> let's do the dyndns now
[04:34] <mdke> ok
[04:34] <mdke> any preferences?
[04:34] <jsgotangco> let's see elmo's response
[04:35] <jsgotangco> what does he mean by that?
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ok we settle this later
[04:37] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: you got an update?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> quicktour should go into HTML by today or tomorrow
[04:39] <Burgundavia> then we can start taking screenshots
[04:39] <jsgotangco> have you tried today's build its pretty solid
[04:39] <mdke> Burgundavia, where is the spec for the respecced quicktour?
[04:39] <Burgundavia> in my head?
[04:39] <mdke> i see
[04:39] <Burgundavia> cool new features from Breezy and cool features from Ubuntu
[04:40] <Burgundavia> pretty simple doc actually
[04:40] <mdke> so is this a docteam project at all?
[04:40] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:40] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: publish the spec. we cant help you if we don't know the point of the doc
[04:40] <mdke> quite
[04:40] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, mdke ok
[04:40] <mdke> it's not a docteam project until then
[04:40] <Burgundavia> I will put it at the top of QuickTourDraft
[04:41] <mdke> you just said "i've respecced the quickguide", but we never saw it
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ok?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> done
[04:44] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:45] <jsgotangco> 1 sentence?
[04:45] <Burgundavia> it is a very simple spec
[04:45] <Burgundavia> for a simple doc
[04:45] <jsgotangco> ahrr
[04:47] <jsgotangco> ok anything more?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> this is a terribly boring meeting
[04:48] <Burgundavia> where are we at for shipping docs?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> the lesson of the story here is next time, we do a spec at the very start
[04:48] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:48] <jsgotangco> it was my mistake not to do it before
[04:49] <mdke> how can others contribute to quicktour?
[04:49] <mdke> on the wiki?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:50] <Burgundavia> the html should be going into svn RSN
[04:50] <mdke> do you think it would be good to send a call for contributions?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> sort of did
[04:51] <jsgotangco> i asked Burgundavia if it can be shown to the world 1 month before release
[04:51] <jsgotangco> sort of a sneak preview
[04:52] <jeffsch> so we have quicktour and faqguide that we should be working on
[04:52] <jeffsch> we need to have both done by sept 8, right?
[04:52] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:53] <jeffsch> so far myself and mdke have said we will be reviewing faqguide
[04:53] <jeffsch> we need more volunteers if we are going to have it done in time
[04:53] <Burgundavia> I may get a chance to
[04:53] <mdke> rob will help
[04:54] <jeffsch> see the changes i made to the first few questions in tips and tricks to see how things should be
[04:54] <jeffsch> as it is now, the faq guide style is curt
[04:54] <jeffsch> not good for new users
[04:55] <Burgundavia> curt?
[04:55] <jeffsch> it was written to get the info out there fast, but now it needs to be made more presentable
[04:56] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[04:56] <jsgotangco> jeffsch: that's the problem. UbuntuHelp should fix that but its not really ready for primetime
[04:57] <jeffsch> yes. after breezy we can deal with ubuntuhelp
[04:57] <mdke> well the faqguide can be made presentable I'm sure
[04:57] <jeffsch> right now though, we need faqguide to appear more friendly
[04:58] <jeffsch> mdke: yes
[04:59] <jsgotangco> we only have 2 weeks
[04:59] <jsgotangco> can it be revised on time?
[04:59] <mdke> we can try.
[04:59] <jeffsch> we should get as much done as possible
[05:00] <mdke> if we can also ask rob^ to amend some of the style, this will help because he spends lots of time working on it
[05:00] <jeffsch> as long as he isn't sick of it by now :)
[05:01] <mdke> ;)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> he already put it up for review so i guess that's a go signal for us
[05:01] <jeffsch> so me and mdke will be reviewing. anyone else? jsgotangco?
[05:02] <jsgotangco> sure
[05:02] <jsgotangco> im up for it
[05:02] <jsgotangco> rob^ hasn't been updating for a while so i guess its a go
[05:02] <jeffsch> ok. i have started at the back. someone take the front, and someone take the middle
[05:02] <mdke> yes the relevant sections are marked for review
[05:02] <mdke> see the status report
[05:05] <jeffsch> in the faqguide, when you come across something like (for eg) Read Q10.1, change it to what it really is
[05:05] <jeffsch> so Read Q 10.1 would become "Restart GNOME. (See Q 10.1)
[05:06] <mdke> i've set up ubuntu-doc.ath.cx for the linode
[05:06] <mdke> is that acceptable?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:06] <jeffsch> that's not the permanent one though, right?
[05:06] <mdke> no the permanent one should be doc.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <jeffsch> so why not just use the ip?
[05:07] <jeffsch> is the ip going to change?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> its a long story
[05:08] <jeffsch> np. just curious.
[05:08] <mdke> the ip shouldn't change
[05:08] <mdke> it seems there is a problem with pointing doc.ubuntu.com to the linode
[05:09] <mdke> elmo and henrik will sort it out together i hope
[05:09] <jeffsch> ok. are we done yet?
[05:09] <mdke> i'm off now
[05:10] <jsgotangco> alright anythign else
[05:10] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:10] <jsgotangco> we can do in the list
[05:10] <jsgotangco> don't forget to greet me happy birthday
[05:10] <mdke> happy birthday
[05:10] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: happy birthday
[05:10] <jsgotangco> doh
[05:11] <jsgotangco> errr baz?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> best to discuss that post-Sept 8th
[05:11] <jeffsch> let's keep baz discussion on #ubuntu-doc for now
[05:12] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:12] <jsgotangco> anything else?
[05:12] <jsgotangco> alright were cool thanks all
[05:13] <jeffsch> c ya