| elmo | eh, the hoary installer is trying to give me 12Gb of swap | 12:04 |
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| ogra | elmo, sure, hibernate needs 3x RAM :p | 12:07 |
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| infinity | elmo : Should I light up the buildds again, or is jackass going to be up and down all day? | 12:13 |
| elmo | fire it up | 12:13 |
| elmo | I know what's killing it, and I'll just not do that | 12:13 |
| infinity | Heh. | 12:14 |
| elmo | I'll not be migrating it to the weekend | 12:14 |
| elmo | the buildds fail nicely when they can't ssh to jackass tho right? | 12:14 |
| infinity | Yes. | 12:14 |
| elmo | ok | 12:14 |
| infinity | Assuming the hotname won't change when you migrate. | 12:14 |
| infinity | hostname, even. | 12:15 |
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| elmo | ip/hostname/ssh will all remain the same | 12:15 |
| infinity | (Well, they'd fail nicely either way, they'd just not stop failing if the hostname changes) | 12:15 |
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| mae | has anyone noticed slight performance hits in drawing operations since gnome 2.12(cairo) | 12:40 |
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| mdz | tseng: monodevelop moved | 01:15 |
| tseng | mdz: thank you. | 01:15 |
| tseng | mdz: the rest will follow? | 01:15 |
| mdz | tseng: the rest? | 01:16 |
| tseng | mdz: gtk-sharp2 was the goal | 01:16 |
| mdz | tseng: most of it wants to go to universe, but not the source package | 01:16 |
| mdz | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt | 01:16 |
| mdz | tseng: monodoc-gtk2.0-manual is still in Supported | 01:17 |
| tseng | im seeing that | 01:18 |
| tseng | depended on by monodoc-manual | 01:18 |
| mdz | oh? | 01:18 |
| tseng | yes. | 01:18 |
| mdz | I don't see any dependencies on it | 01:18 |
| tseng | hm yes | 01:19 |
| tseng | where did i just see this | 01:19 |
| tseng | oh, -gtk2.0- depends on monodoc-manual | 01:20 |
| tseng | not the other way | 01:20 |
| tseng | i see no rdepends for monodoc-gtk2.0-manual | 01:20 |
| mdz | tseng: I've removed it, cross-merged to kubuntu and edubuntu | 01:22 |
| mdz | it should fall out in the next germinate run | 01:22 |
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| tseng | mdz: wonderful, ill watch this anastacia page. | 01:23 |
| mdz | tseng: if you poke me when it disappears from people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/ then I'll push it through immediately after | 01:27 |
| tseng | mdz: can do. | 01:27 |
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| infinito | where should gnome applets files been installed?? | 01:54 |
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| elmo | Rejected: lsb-release-udeb_1.4-8ubuntu1_i386.udeb: architecture part of filename (i386) does not match package architecture in the udeb (all). | 02:16 |
| elmo | ^-- whoever uploaded lsb-release last | 02:16 |
| elmo | hmm, colin, a month ago | 02:16 |
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| salkin | Hi, this is not a support request. I am just having trouble getting a bugzilla login and I wanted to mention that emacs fails to even start on my breezy/x86 install. No messages when started from console. Strace didn't tell me anything useful with a quick read. I just wanted to make someone aware of that. Thanks. | 02:28 |
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| ajmitch | elmo: could you sync socketapi from debian? c++ lib rename was unnecessary | 03:32 |
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| xhaker | elmo: while you're at syncs check if Scite 1.64-2 is already at the debian pool and sync it | 03:50 |
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| ajmitch | elmo: also sync plucker, drop ubuntu changes | 04:15 |
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| mdz | tseng: stuff moved | 04:56 |
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| Keybuk | mmm, baz is _so_ fast, oh yes | 05:15 |
| Keybuk | two hours just to do glibc *sigh* | 05:15 |
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| jdub | GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! | 05:48 |
| whiprush | yay! | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | morning jdub | 05:58 |
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| glick | hi all | 06:17 |
| glick | ok so i checked out the website on ubuntulinux about contributing but i dont see a concrete list of what has to be done or maintained | 06:17 |
| glick | its all very fuzzy | 06:17 |
| glick | id like to contribute, maintain a coupla packages but where to begin? | 06:18 |
| jdub | glick: the motu team! | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | most packages start off in universe, which is cared for by the masters of the universe | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | in #ubuntu-motu | 06:19 |
| jdub | glick: #ubuntu-motu or wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 06:19 |
| glick | hmmm | 06:19 |
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| Keybuk | Dear Shadow Maintainer ... a patch file for every translation change is NOT CLEVER! :p | 06:26 |
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| elmo | jesus, are you kidding? | 06:28 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:29 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ahahaha | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | syndicate shadow-4.0.3% ls debian/patches | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | : | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 101_cs.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 102_de.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | : | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 112_da.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 113_es.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | : | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 126_tr.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 127_zh_CN.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | : | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 205_it-manpages.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | 206_ko-manpages.dpatch | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 06:30 |
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| rob^ | hey, I'm getting in breezy: The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 07:01 |
| rob^ | scorched3d: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6ubuntu1) which is a virtual package. | 07:01 |
| rob^ | any ideas? | 07:02 |
| crimsun_ | I haven't uploaded the fixed one yet | 07:02 |
| crimsun_ | wait about 3 hours | 07:02 |
| rob^ | thanks :) | 07:02 |
| crimsun_ | (michiel already fixed it) | 07:02 |
| Keybuk | I want to know when we get the "either that wallpaper goes, or I do" release of initramfs-tools | 07:11 |
| jdub | i enjoyed the mistake-to-learn-from in the latest release | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | "Experience is simply the name we give out(sic.) mistakes." ? | 07:12 |
| Keybuk | Lady Windermere's Fan, iirc | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | it's a misquote, if it is <g> | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | Act 3, Scene 1; Dumby: Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. | 07:14 |
| jdub | s/their/they're/ for good measure | 07:14 |
| Keybuk | no, that would be wrong | 07:14 |
| jdub | that would be experience! | 07:15 |
| Keybuk | heh | 07:15 |
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| jdub | OF FIVE | 07:15 |
| jdub | fascists. | 07:15 |
| Keybuk | ya know, I never knew the "The difference between England and America is that when we hold a World Championship for a particular sport, we invite teams from other countries to play too" quote was John Cleese | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 07:19 |
| Keybuk | what did I call the last release of dpkg? | 07:19 |
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| jdub | i don't think you called it gawn blotto | 07:20 |
| Keybuk | no, I don't think I even understood that one | 07:20 |
| Keybuk | it's fine for them to make no sense to other people, but I at least have to get the joke :p | 07:21 |
| jdub | gawn is australian for gone | 07:21 |
| jdub | blotto is australian for drunk | 07:21 |
| Keybuk | I see... | 07:21 |
| Keybuk | we had an australian one already | 07:21 |
| jdub | fie. | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | in fact, we've had two if you count On Like Donkey Kong | 07:22 |
| jdub | how about 'aloha'? | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | it's quite worrying that there's about 50 of them in my dpkg-release-names file now | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | I really need to make some more releases | 07:22 |
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| Keybuk | Four fonts walk into a bar. Barman says, "oi, get out! we don't serve your type" | 07:38 |
| jdub | ha ha ha | 07:38 |
| jdub | ha ha | 07:39 |
| Keybuk | Man walks into a bar with a roll of tarmac under his arm, says "pint please, and one for the road" | 07:39 |
| jdub | that is not as good | 07:39 |
| jdub | woohoo! | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | hmm? | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | SuSE downloaded a last, did it? | 07:41 |
| jdub | booting opensuse beta3 install cd on this openpower machine | 07:41 |
| jdub | Loading Installation System (67420 kB) - 10% | 07:41 |
| jdub | ha ha | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | I see, defecting are we? | 07:41 |
| jdub | no | 07:41 |
| jdub | learning their secrets | 07:41 |
| jdub | so we too can boot on openpower | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | do we not? | 07:42 |
| jdub | nup | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | cunning | 07:42 |
| jdub | doesn't recognise the os on the cd | 07:42 |
| jdub | some funky cd build or yaboot foo involved | 07:42 |
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| Keybuk | he's not coming back | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | and when he does, he's not allowed more than 8 minutes of installer time a week | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | he's married now | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | it'll be different | 07:43 |
| jdub | that's okay, we're in the same club ;) | 07:43 |
| Keybuk | yes, but you're married to pia -- which makes you the woman in the family <g> | 07:43 |
| jdub | wow, their curses installer has no respect for 19200 bps | 07:44 |
| Keybuk | Gentoo's does | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | you can install Gentoo over a 300 bps serial line | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | "make" doesn't need much in the way of fancy graphics | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | actually, someone told me the other week that Gentoo had a graphical installer now. I asked whether it was XEmacs | 07:45 |
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| jdub | after configuring the language, timezone and time | 07:46 |
| jdub | i have "desktop selection" | 07:46 |
| jdub | describing both kde and gnome as "powerful and intuitive" and which mailer, browser and file manager they use | 07:46 |
| jdub | comical | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | you know the whole "innovation" argument | 07:47 |
| jdub | they ask BEFORE PARTITIONING | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | where those who claim they're innovating are usually the ones who do all the "ripping off" | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | well, two of the gay clubs in Birmingham are opposite the road from each other | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | The Nightingale and DV8 | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | the 'gale, after a refit, opened up during the afternoon and early evening as a bar and restaurant | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | they called the bar "B5" ... not really sure why, but that's it's name | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | a few months later, DV8 followed suit and opened up their bar outside of club ours | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | they called it "innov8" | 07:49 |
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| Keybuk | I've been trying to explain the irony of this to various friends for a while now, but they don't get it | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | (now I think about it, B5 is probably the postcode) | 07:50 |
| jdub | why do we do -build versioning again? | 07:55 |
| crimsun_ | jdub: they signify only a rebuild | 07:55 |
| jdub | yeah, what situations do we do a rebuild without changelog? | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | libraries underneath them changed | 07:56 |
| crimsun_ | hmm? changelog should at least note rebuild or something to that effect; usually it's to use newer libs, like Keybuk mentioned | 07:57 |
| jdub | man, this installer stinks over 19200 | 07:57 |
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| Keybuk | changelog has to mention it, in fact | 07:59 |
| Keybuk | I challenge your claim to have seen a build version without a changelog entry | 07:59 |
| jdub | :-) | 07:59 |
| Keybuk | BECAUSE, and this is the clever bit, the version number comes _from_ the changelog entry | 07:59 |
| jdub | yes dear | 08:00 |
| Keybuk | the only other kinds of rebuilds are when they fail on the buildd for some logical reason that just means you have to give them back | 08:00 |
| Keybuk | that's the "laaaaamont" kind of rebuild | 08:00 |
| jdub | gar. | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | that's usually due to being uploaded before the shared library that changed | 08:01 |
| jdub | after repartitioning, it suggests i won't be able to boot unless i do a particular thing with partitioning | 08:01 |
| jdub | eeeediots | 08:01 |
| jdub | and almost every character change requires a screen update | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | sweet | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | I must admit to having never tried debconf over a serial line | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | does that not suck? | 08:01 |
| jdub | it's not this bad at all | 08:02 |
| Keybuk | hmm, I better get in the shower | 08:02 |
| Keybuk | got to get to Uncle Steve's before we head off to the pub | 08:05 |
| Keybuk | and it's a 4 hour train ride :-/ | 08:05 |
| jdub | say hello to the gang | 08:05 |
| Keybuk | will do | 08:05 |
| Keybuk | ciao | 08:05 |
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| Hieronymus | Treenaks: wakker? | 09:20 |
| Hieronymus | aargh, er zijn weer random mensen die een pm-window met mij openen | 09:20 |
| Hieronymus | net als gisteren | 09:20 |
| Hieronymus | brr... eng | 09:21 |
| Hieronymus | sorry! | 09:22 |
| Hieronymus | Wrong channel! | 09:22 |
| jdub | ;-) | 09:23 |
| Hieronymus | it's because #ubuntu being weird | 09:23 |
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| ompaul | Seveas, where to now? | 09:26 |
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| mdz | Keybuk was going to Steve's and the pub at 0700? | 09:59 |
| jdub | mdz: four hour train ride | 10:00 |
| mdz | jdub: even so...;-) | 10:01 |
| jdub | i think they have a bbq and stuff ;) | 10:01 |
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| pef | hi | 10:28 |
| jdub | YAY, ubuntu livecd chroot on the 710 :) | 10:31 |
| Treenaks | \\o o// | 10:32 |
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| jdub | hrm, no devices detected from the mga driver. hrm. | 10:38 |
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| sivang | jdub: ah, colin has retunred and you made a bootable image? | 10:46 |
| jdub | sivang: no, using livecd chroot on top of opensuse | 10:46 |
| sivang | jdub: ah cool, that leaves for me at least some of the work for sunday/monday :) | 10:47 |
| sivang | jdub: are you X on the matrox? | 10:47 |
| jdub | can't get it running atm | 10:48 |
| jdub | (II) MGA: driver for Matrox chipsets: mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag100, mgag100 PCI, mgag200, mgag200 PCI, mgag400, mgag550 | 10:48 |
| jdub | (EE) No devices detected. | 10:48 |
| jdub | very yummy dual-cpu dual-core though :) | 10:49 |
| sivang | jdub: hehe, I know ;) can you post a photo of your machine? (I'd like to see it) | 10:49 |
| jdub | um | 10:49 |
| jdub | no | 10:49 |
| jdub | camera was nicked while i was in the states | 10:49 |
| sivang | ah bummers | 10:50 |
| sivang | jdub: how is oopensuse on that machine, btw? | 10:53 |
| jdub | seems ok | 10:53 |
| jdub | only done a minimal install | 10:53 |
| jdub | have to get rc on here | 10:53 |
| sivang | jdub: rc? | 10:54 |
| jdub | red carpet | 10:54 |
| sivang | eh :) | 10:55 |
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| sivang | jdub: does the machines weighs alot? | 11:04 |
| sivang | s/machines/machine/ | 11:05 |
| jdub | not really, it's surprisingly light | 11:06 |
| jdub | 18-32kg says the box | 11:06 |
| Treenaks | That's light? | 11:07 |
| sivang | Treenaks: that's light :) | 11:08 |
| sivang | jdub: mine is about ~50Kg | 11:08 |
| sivang | jdub: it's a beast | 11:08 |
| Treenaks | sivang: what is it then? :) | 11:08 |
| sivang | Treenaks: pSeries POWER5 , hypervisor enabled virtualization platfrom by IBM | 11:09 |
| Treenaks | sivang: ah ok :) then it _is_ light ;) | 11:09 |
| sivang | Treenaks: I am running 6 operating systems on it, at the same time with no apparent latency. | 11:09 |
| Treenaks | sivang: nice | 11:09 |
| sivang | Treenaks: It's very interesting piece of hardware | 11:09 |
| Treenaks | sivang: I still think virtualisation is being overhyped atm :) | 11:10 |
| sivang | it supports virtualizaion at the hardware level, having a special component multiplexing the hardware in a way that each partition, is truely a machine of its own | 11:10 |
| Treenaks | sivang: I know what a hypervisor is :) | 11:11 |
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| sivang | ah oops , sorry:) | 11:11 |
| Treenaks | sivang: np :) | 11:11 |
| Treenaks | sivang: and it's a really cool idea.. I just don't see the use, that's all :) | 11:11 |
| Treenaks | ADJECTIVE ADJECTIVE {EXPLETIVE NOUN}! | 11:12 |
| Treenaks | some "YahooSeeker-Testing/v3.9" is retrieving /log/Ubuntu/keyboard-crack.html every _6_ seconds | 11:12 |
| sivang | Treenaks: where from? | 11:13 |
| Treenaks | sivang: 68.142.195.82 | 11:13 |
| sivang | Treenaks: that your ip? | 11:14 |
| Treenaks | sivang: no, that's theirs | 11:14 |
| sivang | Treenaks: what's that file got in it? | 11:14 |
| Treenaks | sivang: a blog post | 11:18 |
| Treenaks | sivang: http://foodfight.org/log/Ubuntu/keyboard-crack | 11:18 |
| sivang | Treenaks: ah :) | 11:19 |
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| HiddenWolf | Is the lastest daily working? | 11:49 |
| === sivang needs a faster machine for gnome pkgs build | ||
| sivang | this testing cycle takes too long.. | 11:52 |
| Treenaks | sivang: you said you had a POWER5 ;) | 12:05 |
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| sivang | Treenaks: nonon :) I don't have 15k$ for a computer machine :) it's at work.... | 12:06 |
| Treenaks | sivang: ssh compilefarm.work :P | 12:07 |
| sivang | Treenaks: they bought the higher end of this line, since it's also used as a build server and runs both a couple of instances of AIX and linux simultaneously | 12:07 |
| Treenaks | I _really_ like this ultra high resolution on this laptop | 12:08 |
| Treenaks | makes the fonts so crisp & clean :) | 12:08 |
| Treenaks | 1920x1200 @ 15.4" | 12:08 |
| tseng | mm | 12:08 |
| HiddenWolf | Treenaks, and you where calling me a showoff when I was happy with my 24" lcd! | 12:08 |
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| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: oh, you were talking about an LCD :P | 12:09 |
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| rubenv | j^: I just installed your network manager packages for breezy, they work like a charm, nicely done :-) | 12:24 |
| sivang | Treenaks: notification area, is the panel area that displays applets icons? | 12:26 |
| Treenaks | sivang: it's the one which displays the red "You need to upgrade" icon, the Gaim icon, etc. | 12:27 |
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| hunger | Is there a fixed network-manager deb yet? | 12:29 |
| rob^ | heh | 12:29 |
| hunger | Last monday somebody was working on that... | 12:29 |
| rubenv | hunger: not officialy in the archives, but: http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ | 12:30 |
| sivang | Treenaks: and what is wncklet used for? | 12:30 |
| rubenv | sivang: window lists etc | 12:30 |
| rubenv | it's a 3 in 1 applet | 12:30 |
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| hunger | You sure are keeping yourself busy! | 12:31 |
| Treenaks | sivang: that's the desktop switcher | 12:31 |
| hunger | Could somebody please update sl-modem-daemon to depend on the linux-restricted-modules instead of sl-modem-modules-new (which does not exist in ubuntu)? Better yet: suggest lrm only since sl-modem-daemon runs with alsa as well. | 12:35 |
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| frans-th | hi all | 12:51 |
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| frans-th | anyone can share with me the ubuntu development process and license? | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 12:51 |
| frans-th | hi jsg | 12:51 |
| frans-th | how r u | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | brb dinner | 12:51 |
| Mez | frans-th, ??? | 12:51 |
| frans-th | wow, what time there? here 5 | 12:51 |
| frans-th | hi Mez :) i am from indonesia | 12:51 |
| Mez | "<frans-th> anyone can share with me the ubuntu development process and license?" | 12:52 |
| frans-th | :P thx | 12:52 |
| frans-th | right now, i have a job from goverment, i think jsgotangco, known it, we did a chat in this channel in several days | 12:53 |
| frans-th | i have 2 question about ubuntu development. | 12:53 |
| frans-th | this is not technical question, can share here? or pm better? | 12:53 |
| Treenaks | frans-th: Language? :) | 12:54 |
| jdub | frans-th: this is the best channel for it | 12:54 |
| frans-th | cool | 12:54 |
| frans-th | hi jdub, | 12:54 |
| frans-th | ok | 12:54 |
| frans-th | right now, i have a donation from canada goverment, called SIDA for open source development | 12:54 |
| frans-th | we will use webservices and java, | 12:55 |
| frans-th | and there is a small project, donation about sun server, for promoting open source, and i will make it become ubuntu repository | 12:55 |
| frans-th | those are clear, i just wait the time | 12:55 |
| frans-th | and there is a small project, to change ubuntu name become local brand. the project named by our goverment is merpati, mean piegon in indonesian language | 12:55 |
| frans-th | but, i am personally better to promote ubuntu, in several way, but need information more about the ubuntu brand. | 12:56 |
| jdub | go on | 12:56 |
| frans-th | i believe ubuntu brand is more open thatn redhat, suse, and of course JDS :) | 12:56 |
| frans-th | JDS here renamed become IGOS Desktop with nick name Garuda, mean eagle in english | 12:57 |
| frans-th | i believe that make a new brand, is need more time, becuase the team must rename the ubuntu theme to our theme, | 12:57 |
| frans-th | and of course, change = make it must be tested first, and it is wasting time | 12:57 |
| frans-th | i prefer to make the team become part of ubuntu development rather make thi | 12:58 |
| frans-th | this project to make sure that we have a free and always free linux solution | 12:58 |
| jdub | all of this is fine | 12:59 |
| frans-th | any comment on this? | 12:59 |
| jdub | we encourage rebranding | 12:59 |
| frans-th | in our experience promoting linux in indonesia | 12:59 |
| frans-th | there is 2 local brand, made by several of my friend, the software is not good as the original, both is a rebrand from fedora core 3 | 01:00 |
| frans-th | but, Sun make the JDS become "IGOS Desktop" | 01:00 |
| frans-th | and because the promotor is Sun, several goverment love it, but Sun charge for US$ 50/PC | 01:01 |
| frans-th | we know JDS is commercial product | 01:01 |
| frans-th | i think, in this case, we need a local brand of ubuntu, but ubuntu name there | 01:01 |
| frans-th | that is not possible, because there is no ubuntu indonesia here, and there is canonical branch in indonesia | 01:02 |
| jdub | hold on | 01:02 |
| frans-th | so, if we change to local brand, we cannot make the charisma llike ubuntu that happen here | 01:02 |
| jdub | neither of those are restrictions to you creating an indonesian branded version of ubuntu | 01:02 |
| frans-th | jdub: what is that mean? | 01:03 |
| jdub | you can make your own version without canonical's permission | 01:03 |
| frans-th | i think, this channel is cool, you are very helpfull :P | 01:03 |
| jdub | also, you could start an indonesian LoCo team | 01:03 |
| frans-th | jdub: i know, we can change the ubuntu, if we know how to make it, but the problem is, the trust of the new version must be less than ubuntu name | 01:03 |
| jdub | frans-th: you could put "powered by ubuntu" on it :-) | 01:04 |
| frans-th | i think, that is better to make ubuntu still :) so the ubuntu brand can become national distro | 01:04 |
| frans-th | jdub: Waroeng IGOS and Blankon have that word, create based on Fedora Core 3, but i see after 3 month promotions, the popularity is getting down | 01:05 |
| frans-th | jdub: i personally, love ubuntu more :P | 01:05 |
| jdub | why do you think they are less popular? | 01:05 |
| frans-th | so, my question is, how open ubuntu brand | 01:05 |
| frans-th | they are less popular, because several goverment wont use Waroeng IGOS and Blankon, they prefer IGOS Desktop from Sun, but of course with out paying | 01:06 |
| frans-th | i think we need a global brand for this project, or like global support, | 01:06 |
| frans-th | honestly, there are no support from Sun, :) | 01:06 |
| frans-th | just marketing wording | 01:06 |
| jdub | ok | 01:06 |
| jdub | so canonical provides global support for ubuntu | 01:06 |
| frans-th | what kind of global support? | 01:07 |
| jdub | but there is also the ubuntu marketplace - a list of companies who are supporting ubuntu | 01:07 |
| frans-th | i never got this information | 01:07 |
| jdub | see the support section on www.ubuntu.com :) | 01:07 |
| frans-th | my point is, i dont want to make a rebranding version :) and the goverment make an exception to make ubuntu become national standard distro, so my job reduced here, just to support ubuntu :P | 01:07 |
| frans-th | jdub: can explain about the process of ubuntu development | 01:08 |
| jdub | you could become a support partner | 01:08 |
| frans-th | ? how open is it? | 01:08 |
| jdub | totally open | 01:08 |
| jdub | you can become a maintainer of the supported packages :) | 01:08 |
| frans-th | that is :) because ubuntu is very very open, make a local brand is not good | 01:08 |
| jdub | it's not like fedora/rhel | 01:08 |
| frans-th | i will become a maintainer of support in the future, after the server arrived :) i am in the process to there. | 01:09 |
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| frans-th | that why, because you are more open than fedora, ubuntu brand is the cool brand :) | 01:09 |
| jdub | frans-th: would it help you if someone from canonical visited to talk to your government agencies about ubuntu, and how they can use it? | 01:09 |
| frans-th | `can.. | 01:09 |
| frans-th | if there is a canonical guy wanna help me, i can give the goverment contact to you | 01:09 |
| frans-th | and he is the project manager of those of this kind of open source movement | 01:09 |
| frans-th | and this job directly from the minister | 01:10 |
| jdub | frans-th: ok, i would be happy to help | 01:10 |
| jdub | jeff.waugh@canonical.com | 01:10 |
| frans-th | ok | 01:10 |
| frans-th | i will email you and cc to him, | 01:10 |
| jdub | great! | 01:10 |
| frans-th | you can ask to those guys, that rebranding is a good case for education, but your investment from canonical, is better the goverment join the ubuntu netwrok | 01:10 |
| frans-th | what do you think? | 01:11 |
| jdub | sounds good to me | 01:11 |
| frans-th | ok | 01:11 |
| jdub | i will have to find out what sounds good to them ;) | 01:11 |
| frans-th | i will email you and cc to him | 01:11 |
| frans-th | cool | 01:11 |
| hunger | daniels: You maintain the linux-restricted-modules now in addition to X? You must be a busy guy. | 01:11 |
| frans-th | because if we success, the 800 PC that is donated to the schools here, can become more popular :) | 01:11 |
| jdub | :-) | 01:11 |
| frans-th | because the openenst of ubuntu :) | 01:12 |
| frans-th | wait ok :P | 01:12 |
| jdub | j^: ping | 01:14 |
| j^ | jdub pong | 01:15 |
| frans-th | :P | 01:15 |
| jdub | j^: just trying out your n-m packages - NM is failing to start bind | 01:16 |
| tseng | speaking of, can we upload those soon? | 01:17 |
| rubenv | j^: any way to make it not ask my keyring password every time I boot up? | 01:17 |
| j^ | jdub did you make sure it is not running before starting NM? | 01:17 |
| rubenv | now I have to login | 01:17 |
| rubenv | wait for it to detect my wired is not cabled | 01:17 |
| jdub | j^: yeah, i stopped it | 01:17 |
| rubenv | enter my keyring pass | 01:17 |
| j^ | jdub whats the error in syslog? | 01:18 |
| rubenv | and then I finally have networking | 01:18 |
| jdub | aha | 01:18 |
| jdub | Aug 27 21:00:35 ubuntu named[10522] : couldn't open pid file '/var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager-pid-named': Permission denied | 01:18 |
| jdub | Aug 27 21:00:35 ubuntu named[10522] : exiting (due to early fatal error) | 01:18 |
| j^ | rubenv i dont know a way, you might ask on networkmanager-list@gnome.org | 01:19 |
| j^ | jdub does /var/lib/NetworkManager/ exist? | 01:19 |
| rubenv | j^: will do, thx | 01:19 |
| jdub | yeah | 01:19 |
| j^ | hm | 01:19 |
| jdub | i'm starting it as root, too ;) | 01:19 |
| j^ | /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager does: | 01:20 |
| j^ | test -d /var/lib/NetworkManager || mkdir -p /var/lib/NetworkManager | 01:20 |
| j^ | chown -R bind:bind /var/lib/NetworkManager | 01:20 |
| j^ | chmod 755 /var/lib/NetworkManager | 01:20 |
| frans-th | jdub: finished email to you :P | 01:20 |
| jdub | oh | 01:20 |
| jdub | aha | 01:20 |
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| jdub | boh | 01:20 |
| j^ | would be cool if /etc/init.d/dbus restart would restart dbus :) | 01:21 |
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| {Seb} | oin #ubuntu | 01:21 |
| frans-th | jdub: i will call the contact after this, and hopefully he will love it :) | 01:21 |
| jdub | hj | 01:24 |
| jdub | j^: ok, so that fixes it, but nm-applet could not start due to missing resources... | 01:25 |
| j^ | jdub missing resources? | 01:25 |
| jdub | seriously ;) | 01:25 |
| j^ | thats the error message? | 01:25 |
| jdub | The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue. | 01:26 |
| j^ | never seen that | 01:26 |
| j^ | what does it say in the terminal? | 01:26 |
| jdub | ** (nm-applet:10963): WARNING **: Icon nm-no-connection missing: Icon 'nm-no-connection' not present in theme | 01:26 |
| jdub | though it's there | 01:26 |
| jdub | and i've rebuilt the cache | 01:26 |
| j^ | nm-applet --sm-disable | 01:26 |
| jdub | yeah, get the error, don't get nicon | 01:27 |
| jdub | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-no-connection.png | 01:27 |
| j^ | is that installed? | 01:28 |
| jdub | yep | 01:28 |
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| jdub | aha! | 01:28 |
| jdub | i forced an icon cache rebuild for hicolor | 01:28 |
| jdub | now it's happy | 01:28 |
| j^ | how can one do that? might be something for nms postint | 01:29 |
| j^ | *postinst | 01:29 |
| jdub | gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ | 01:29 |
| jdub | maybe don't need the -f, but it worked for me | 01:29 |
| jdub | hrm, the nicon is annoyingly wide | 01:30 |
| j^ | there is some discussion on the list about it | 01:31 |
| jdub | so how do you interop with /etc/network/interfaces ? | 01:31 |
| j^ | right now it read /e/n/i on startup, | 01:31 |
| j^ | if it finds iface .. static | 01:31 |
| j^ | it uses that | 01:31 |
| jdub | uses that as seed configuration? | 01:31 |
| jdub | ah, right | 01:31 |
| j^ | nameservers are a problem right now | 01:31 |
| j^ | for static configuration | 01:31 |
| j^ | if nothing or dhcp is fond in /e/n/i NM handles all on its own | 01:32 |
| j^ | modem connections are also read from /e/n/i iface .. inet ppp | 01:32 |
| j^ | but that is all part of the debian backend and can be changed | 01:33 |
| jdub | excellent :) | 01:33 |
| jdub | i'll keep testing | 01:33 |
| j^ | enjoy | 01:33 |
| j^ | if you have a vpnc server you can also test that | 01:34 |
| hunger | j^: When will it hit the ubuntu archives? | 01:34 |
| j^ | i dont, so i only packaged it | 01:34 |
| hunger | j^: only post-breezy? | 01:34 |
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| j^ | hunger thats up to infinity or the person maintaining nm in the end, it could/should go into universe now | 01:35 |
| j^ | since the version in universe does not work at all | 01:35 |
| hunger | j^: Yeap, I fully agree with you on that:-) | 01:35 |
| j^ | and main inclusion was moved post-breezy if i understand right | 01:35 |
| hunger | j^: Yes, that was my impression as well. | 01:36 |
| j^ | that would also need some work on things like network-amdin | 01:36 |
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| hunger | j^: And I still do not like nm too much... I hate having several places to configure things. | 01:36 |
| j^ | network-admin and NetworkManager do not like eachother | 01:37 |
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| j^ | hunger several places? | 01:37 |
| hunger | j^: /e/n/i and wherever NM stores its stuff. | 01:37 |
| jdub | NM is dynamic :-) | 01:37 |
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| hunger | jdub: It does store wlan keys, etc., dosen't it? | 01:38 |
| j^ | hunger you should not have to use static ips on a laptop in a dynamic workd | 01:38 |
| j^ | *world | 01:38 |
| tseng | hunger: in gnome keyring | 01:38 |
| hunger | j^: No, but I do have lots of WLAN ids, currently nicely configured in /e/n/i. | 01:38 |
| j^ | hunger move on and remove it | 01:38 |
| j^ | legacy | 01:39 |
| j^ | if you want to use NM forget about any systemwide wireless configuration | 01:39 |
| hunger | j^: Yes... but since NM can not handle static IPs I still need those. | 01:39 |
| j^ | hunger you could make NMs static ip support better | 01:40 |
| j^ | or you could stop using static ips on wireless networks | 01:40 |
| hunger | j^: NM can not handle systemwide WLAN configs? Now that is annoying! | 01:40 |
| jdub | why are systemwide wlan configs important to you? | 01:40 |
| j^ | hunger complain on networkmanager-list@gnome.org | 01:40 |
| hunger | j^: Because I do not want my users to set up there own... | 01:41 |
| j^ | hunger in which case NM is not for you | 01:41 |
| hunger | j^: Only root should do that or they will use their laptops at home and stuff. | 01:41 |
| j^ | NM is for laptops and dynamic network environments | 01:41 |
| hunger | j^: s/at home/in non-approved environments/ ;-) | 01:42 |
| j^ | not for "i dont want users on my laptop to change the wireless settings, but they are free to take out the battery" | 01:42 |
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| hunger | j^: They can take out the battery all they want... as long as they do not use unlicensed networks:-) | 01:43 |
| j^ | haha, how long does it take you to change the root pwd of you have the laptop on your lap? | 01:43 |
| hunger | j^: It is not about how long it takes *me*, but how long it takes my users. | 01:44 |
| j^ | one boot with the livecd | 01:44 |
| j^ | security by obscurity? | 01:44 |
| hunger | j^: Not possible... | 01:44 |
| hunger | j^: Yes... to an extend. | 01:45 |
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| jdub | hunger: mandatory settings for n-m will turn up fairly soon, probably after it stablises bit | 01:45 |
| j^ | hunger i come back to the point, you can add that functionality to nm if you need it | 01:46 |
| j^ | or not use nm | 01:46 |
| hunger | j^: I think not using NM is the easier option to take:-) | 01:46 |
| j^ | i for one do not understand what why you would limit wireless access | 01:46 |
| j^ | like that | 01:46 |
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| hunger | j^: I never claimed I did... ask the management. | 01:47 |
| j^ | its wrong from the conseptual side | 01:47 |
| j^ | fix the management | 01:47 |
| hunger | j^: I definitly prefer writing NM from scratch to that:-) | 01:47 |
| j^ | haha | 01:48 |
| j^ | i love people that are so confident of how much they can do | 01:48 |
| j^ | see you next year | 01:48 |
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| === siretart thought network-manager was dropped for breezy. is that correct? | ||
| tseng | the goal was dropped | 01:52 |
| tseng | the package was not | 01:52 |
| jdub | the goal was dropped | 01:52 |
| jdub | heh | 01:52 |
| tseng | we should add j^'s package | 01:52 |
| tseng | because they arent spectacuarly broken | 01:52 |
| jdub | totally | 01:52 |
| siretart | good idea | 01:52 |
| jdub | j^: are you a MOTU? | 01:52 |
| j^ | jdub no | 01:53 |
| siretart | j^: do you have a package ready for upload? | 01:53 |
| jdub | http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ | 01:53 |
| jdub | :-) | 01:53 |
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| crispin | j^, yeah, thanks for your package, I was using an ancient version, but yours work wonderfully :-) | 01:54 |
| jdub | oh, hey crispin | 01:54 |
| j^ | jdub where do i have so sign to be a MOTU | 01:54 |
| crispin | hi jdub | 01:54 |
| siretart | ok. who wants to upload his crack? ;) | 01:54 |
| jdub | j^: all info on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 01:54 |
| siretart | j^: /join #ubuntu-motu | 01:54 |
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| jdub | OH SUDDEN PAINS OF HUNGER | 01:55 |
| tseng | haha | 01:55 |
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| Mithrandir | j^: why on earth do you think that freedesktop #4267 is critical? | 01:57 |
| HiddenWolf | Who did secondstageinstallerprogress? | 01:57 |
| jdub | kamion | 01:57 |
| tseng | i thought mvo | 01:58 |
| HiddenWolf | In any case, you've got a glaring bug there. It just stalls if it needs to install a dependency and the cdrom is not in the drive. I'll file a bug as soon as I've got a workable system. | 01:58 |
| HiddenWolf | (discover1, libdiscover & others) | 01:59 |
| j^ | Mithrandir because that breaks using pkg-config on mingw32? | 01:59 |
| HiddenWolf | daniels, around? | 02:00 |
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| Mithrandir | j^: if you use -uninstalled, yes. Anyway, if you can find out why it does that, it would be appreciated; I don't have a mingw32 box. | 02:01 |
| hunger | Any ideas why I get "Invalid module format" on insmods? | 02:01 |
| j^ | Mithrandir first i wanted to creat a bug, later i will check if i can find the problem | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | j^: ok, patches accepted. | 02:02 |
| Lathiat | has gamin / nautilus upating etc stopped working for anyone else recently? it seems to pretty much never work | 02:03 |
| jdub | my desktop doesn't seem to list half the files on it sometimes | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | but pressing control-r finds them? | 02:05 |
| Lathiat | menu updating hardly works either | 02:05 |
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| infinity | Meh. Has anyone else seen apt-listchanges segfaulting recently? | 02:13 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@vawad ~ > file =apt-listchanges | 02:14 |
| Mithrandir | /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: a /usr/bin/python script text executable | 02:14 |
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| infinity | Right, not apt-listchanges itself... An strace show the last thing before death is opening /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/atk.so | 02:15 |
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| infinity | Fun, it just hangs on another machine. I guess I need mvo/mdz to give it some love. | 02:26 |
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| jdub | http://stream.fluendo.com:8850 | 02:32 |
| jdub | mark at akademy ^ | 02:32 |
| siretart | w00t! | 02:33 |
| sivang | jdub: very nice :) | 02:33 |
| sivang | jdub: talking about KDE in ubuntu? | 02:33 |
| jdub | hasn't touched on that yet | 02:34 |
| jdub | he's doing the usual keynote atm | 02:34 |
| sivang | jdub: ah, is it live feed ? | 02:34 |
| jdub | yes | 02:34 |
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| HiddenWolf | anyone here working on xorg? | 02:36 |
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| sivang | jdub: cool | 02:37 |
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| HiddenWolf | Guys, I have a sudoer user with "acces to cdromdrives" enabled in users-admin, but I cannot acces my cdroms... where do I file that bug? | 02:39 |
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| joefso | hello | 03:04 |
| joefso | cdimage.ubuntulinux.org is down | 03:04 |
| joefso | sometimes it's up for a view seconds | 03:04 |
| Seveas | try releases.ubuntu.com | 03:05 |
| Seveas | or se.releases.ubuntu.com | 03:05 |
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| slomo | does somebody know why ffmpeg is in main? it seems like it isn't needed by any main packages | 03:18 |
| slomo | oh sorry, kino needs it and is in main... | 03:18 |
| Treenaks | _needs_ it? | 03:19 |
| siretart | it links against it | 03:19 |
| slomo | yes... build-depends against libavcodec-dev | 03:20 |
| azeem | kino does not use gstreamer, unfortunately | 03:20 |
| azeem | or not yet, dunno | 03:20 |
| siretart | ffmpeg is really a pita :/ | 03:20 |
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| hub_ | do we really have the choice ? | 03:22 |
| hub_ | what can replace ffmpeg ? | 03:22 |
| azeem | well, kino should be replaced with that new, whiz-bang, gstreamer based video editing application | 03:22 |
| siretart | that would probably be best | 03:22 |
| azeem | at least mid-term | 03:22 |
| slomo | hub_: nothing... but currently it's somewhat broken and imho it belongs in multiverse... | 03:23 |
| hub_ | I have heard people bitching about their lack of release process | 03:25 |
| hub_ | so I'm almost not surprised | 03:25 |
| azeem | "their" == ffmpeg | 03:25 |
| azeem | ? | 03:25 |
| hub_ | yep | 03:25 |
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| hub_ | ffmep release process | 03:25 |
| siretart | gnaarf | 03:26 |
| hub_ | what is the rule for universe vs mutliverse? | 03:26 |
| infinity | azeem : What new whizbang video editor is this? | 03:26 |
| siretart | ffmpeg seems to be a bigger PITA than thought | 03:26 |
| infinity | azeem : I was under the impression kino was the best we had to offer currently. | 03:26 |
| siretart | hub_: universe is free software as in dfsg | 03:26 |
| Alex | mako: Can you give me a shout when you're around please? | 03:26 |
| siretart | hub_: multiverse is all kind of software with funny licences. some of them are patent encumbered, some not | 03:27 |
| hub_ | ah ok | 03:27 |
| hub_ | so any GPL but patene encumbered go there | 03:27 |
| siretart | yes | 03:27 |
| infinity | hub_ : It's easier if you read main and restriced as "supported/free and supported/non-free", and universe and multiverse as "unsupported/free and unsupported/non-free", perhaps. | 03:27 |
| slomo | hub_: yes... for example lame ;) | 03:27 |
| hub_ | looks like one of my packages on REVU will end up in multiverse | 03:27 |
| siretart | or mplayer | 03:27 |
| siretart | hub_: which? | 03:28 |
| hub_ | autopano-sift | 03:28 |
| hub_ | university of BC has a patent in the US | 03:28 |
| hub_ | BC = British Columbia, Canada | 03:28 |
| infinity | Is it being actively enforced? | 03:28 |
| azeem | infinity: http://www.pitivi.org/ | 03:28 |
| hub_ | infinity: don't know | 03:28 |
| azeem | http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/08/18/linux_video.html | 03:28 |
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| infinity | azeem : Looks reasonably immature still, but promising. | 03:34 |
| azeem | yeah, I qualified my assertion to 'mid-term' :) | 03:34 |
| infinity | Is also seems to depend on gst-ffmpeg... | 03:35 |
| infinity | Not sure how that solves anything. :) | 03:35 |
| slomo | gst-ffmpeg seems to ship there own version of ffmpeg... at least it doesn't build-depend on libavcodec-dev | 03:37 |
| infinity | And statically compiling fixes license issues, how? :) | 03:37 |
| infinity | (or whatever people's concerns are with ffmpeg..) | 03:37 |
| siretart | it fixes the problems that ffmpeg seems to change apis like other people changing underwear | 03:38 |
| slomo | infinity: i don't know... but imho this ffmpeg stuff really belongs in multiverse ;) | 03:38 |
| siretart | it at least in restricted.. | 03:38 |
| j^ | pitivi does not depend on gst-ffmpeg | 03:40 |
| j^ | but it depends on gst-0.9 | 03:40 |
| infinity | j^ : The "what should you have installed" bit claims you should have gst-ffmpeg. | 03:41 |
| j^ | and gst-ffmpeg uses its own version of ffmpeg which you can see here http://cvs.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/mirror/ffmpeg/ | 03:41 |
| infinity | Though it also claims gstreamer 0.8.10, so perhaps it's just out of date. | 03:41 |
| slomo | infinity: it helps to have it... but you can also use it without gst-ffmpeg... gst-ffmpeg only adds support for more formats | 03:42 |
| infinity | slomo : Sure, but how many people, realistically, won't want support for those formats. Handwaving with "well, you CAN use it without X, Y, Z" isn't helpful. | 03:42 |
| j^ | infinity are you refering to pitivi 0.1.1= | 03:42 |
| j^ | ? | 03:42 |
| azeem | indeed, I think the main merit is that you don't need to link against some library, but just decide which gstreamer plugins are available at run-time | 03:43 |
| infinity | j^ : I'm referring to the website. <shrug> | 03:43 |
| j^ | Please do not use version 0.1.1 or earlier of PiTiVi. They are deprecated, unsupported and cause cancer. Use at your own risk ! Wait for the next release or try out the cvs version. | 03:43 |
| j^ | you can join working on it, but currently its moving from gst-0.8 to gst-0.9 | 03:43 |
| j^ | it would not recomend spending much time packaging the old version | 03:43 |
| slomo | infinity: noone ;) hm, are main packages allowed to have multiverse/universe ones in Suggests/Recommends? | 03:44 |
| infinity | Yeah, I wouldn't touch it at asll right now anyway. | 03:44 |
| infinity | Give it a bit more time ot mature, and I may be interested in supporting it in main for breezy+1... If it really is moving that quickly. | 03:44 |
| infinity | slomo : In suggests, sure. | 03:44 |
| siretart | can someone reproduce an instant rythmbox crasher? | 03:45 |
| infinity | slomo : It's bad form to recommend something non-free, as most decent package frontends attempt to auto-install (or auto-select) Recommended packages. | 03:45 |
| slomo | infinity: ok... good to know :) | 03:45 |
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| infinity | slomo : If/when all the frontends properly support "Enhances", suggesting anything non-free would also be bad form, as the non-free package should just declare "Enhances: <foo-in-main>" | 03:46 |
| infinity | slomo : But that's mostly a matter of taste/style, as the end result for the user would be the same. | 03:46 |
| jordi | elmo: ping | 03:49 |
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| infinity | Does Jani Monoses IRC? | 03:51 |
| slomo | infinity: yes.. that's janimo... he was yesterday and the day before at least in -motu | 03:52 |
| infinity | slomo : Ahh, doesn't seem to be around right now. | 03:52 |
| infinity | slomo : If you see him around, can you smack him around a bit for "fixing" exo by adding libglitz to its build-deps? | 03:52 |
| slomo | infinity: i've done already ;) | 03:53 |
| infinity | slomo : seb128's been frantically trying to REMOVE libglitz dependencies (which is why exo was broken). | 03:53 |
| slomo | infinity: iirc ajmitch wanted to upload a really fixed version soon | 03:53 |
| infinity | slomo : Anyhow, I've uploaded a glitz-free libxfcegui4 and exo is following it, so that should fix it all up properly. | 03:53 |
| siretart | those transitions like the libglitz desaster should really be announced on ubuntu-devel | 03:54 |
| HiddenWolf | anyone here working on udev? | 03:54 |
| infinity | slomo : I'm not sure really if we have proper procedure for this stuff, but if main changes in a way that breaks a mess of stuff in universe and you guys aren't sure why, it would be nice if you poked some distro guys for answers. | 03:54 |
| jdub | siretart: yeah, they should | 03:54 |
| infinity | siretart : Yeah, the glitz thing is/was thpethul. | 03:54 |
| siretart | thpethul? | 03:55 |
| infinity | Picture me slamming my limp wrist violently into my chest while I say it. | 03:55 |
| jdub | siretart: saying 'special' with a strong... speech impediment | 03:56 |
| slomo | infinity: sure... but it seems some know of it, some don't :( | 03:56 |
| siretart | aah. thanks.. | 03:56 |
| infinity | slomo : Yes. Ideally, seb should have posted to -devel (and probably -motu too, now that you have one) | 03:56 |
| infinity | slomo : I'll try to be more proactive in pinging people about transition issues as I see them from my position (and I see them all, whether I want to or not) | 03:56 |
| slomo | infinity: not -motu... universe-bugs afaik | 03:57 |
| siretart | -devel should be fine | 03:58 |
| jdub | jordi: catalan's primary locale id is CA, right? | 03:58 |
| infinity | -devel shold be enough, yes. | 03:58 |
| jordi | yes. | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | hey jdub | 03:58 |
| jordi | which conflicts ubuntu-ca :) | 03:58 |
| infinity | jordi : Yes, and it confuses every Canadian I know. :) | 03:58 |
| jdub | jordi: hrm, this is going to get confusing with the canadian loco team | 03:58 |
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| jordi | yup. | 03:58 |
| jordi | those lists should have been named ubuntu-loco-ca anyway. | 03:59 |
| jdub | the standard we have is ubuntu-??-l10n | 03:59 |
| jordi | If it's about territory. | 03:59 |
| infinity | <shrug>... It's not isolated, though. Lots of country codes conflict wiht language codes. | 03:59 |
| jdub | weeeell... | 03:59 |
| slomo | infinity: maybe we should create/extend a policy for that... "announce transitions to -devel" or something similar | 03:59 |
| jordi | jdub: there's only one list with that scheme | 03:59 |
| jordi | and it's brand new. | 03:59 |
| jdub | there are two | 03:59 |
| jordi | Maybe we are on time to fix the standard. | 03:59 |
| jordi | two? hm. | 03:59 |
| jdub | but seb hasn't made the fr one public | 03:59 |
| jdub | i don't think the l10n standard is incorrect | 03:59 |
| jordi | anyway, ubuntu-l10n-ca would match the lp scheme | 03:59 |
| infinity | slomo : Not sure we need a written policy for it, but asking people politely to explain transition issues on -devel when they break things isn't a terribly bad idea. :) | 04:00 |
| jdub | and ubuntu-?? covers TLDs and languages, in some cases | 04:00 |
| jordi | I wonder how many en_CA translators will join.. :) | 04:00 |
| infinity | slomo : I'll bring it up with seb when he comes back from his short vacation. | 04:00 |
| jdub | jordi: i standardised on ubuntu-??-l10n for sort order reasons | 04:00 |
| jdub | and relationship to loco team | 04:00 |
| slomo | infinity: ok, fine :) or maybe some wikipage which lists all transitions with the current state | 04:01 |
| jordi | then Catalan, Ukrainian and other langs are left out in the cold I guess. :) | 04:01 |
| jdub | unfortunately, we had different demands for loco teams | 04:01 |
| jdub | the french and chinese speakers really wanted language lists, not region lists | 04:01 |
| jordi | jdub: is mailman-admin@ incorrect? | 04:01 |
| jdub | i just replied to your email | 04:01 |
| jordi | k | 04:02 |
| jdub | it's just mailman@ | 04:02 |
| jordi | ok. | 04:02 |
| jordi | I will kill carlos. | 04:02 |
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| infinity | slomo : With the exception of really complex transitions (like the C++ transition), editing a massive wiki page to make small changes/progress is a lot more effort than just fixing all the packages and uploading them, at least I find so. | 04:02 |
| jordi | jdub: for ordering reasons, ubuntu-l10n-* orders lists too | 04:03 |
| infinity | slomo : I could fix the glitx issues (and am working on it) faster than explaining it to other people in a formal document (and keeping it updated) | 04:03 |
| jordi | (and I guess all other projects out there do stuff like this | 04:03 |
| jdub | jordi: not alongside the loco lists, however | 04:03 |
| slomo | infinity: no i meant just a list of all transitions, not the packages which are involved ;) | 04:03 |
| infinity | slomo : But I'm not against just sending a quick note to -devel and assuming that everone on distro/motu will read it. | 04:03 |
| jdub | however, i'm *this* close to switching | 04:03 |
| jordi | jdub: I guess the code clashes make this incompatible :( | 04:03 |
| jdub | hrm, seb's not here | 04:04 |
| slomo | infinity: something like "CXXTransition: done" or "libcairo1 transition: work in progress" | 04:04 |
| jdub | nor koke+carlos | 04:04 |
| infinity | slomo : You're welcome to make such a page and ping me for info on the current status (since I keep my finger on the pulse of most transitions in progress) | 04:05 |
| slomo | infinity: ok, i'll add this to my todo list ;) | 04:05 |
| infinity | slomo : I don't feel like adding "document transition status" to my list of duties, but I definitely don't mind someone else doing it and asking me for input. | 04:05 |
| jordi | jdub: just DO IT :) | 04:11 |
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| Mitario | elmo, ping | 04:15 |
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| OculusAquilae | hi | 04:28 |
| OculusAquilae | are there problems with #ubuntu . It always says, that I'm banned | 04:29 |
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| tseng | its locked to registered users only | 04:29 |
| tseng | to keep out spambots | 04:29 |
| OculusAquilae | tseng: how to register? | 04:30 |
| tseng | /msg nickserv help | 04:30 |
| OculusAquilae | thanks | 04:30 |
| LaschW | How is a registration done? Any HowTo about that? | 04:30 |
| tseng | /msg nickserv help | 04:30 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:tseng] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | Colony 3 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/ | #ubuntu is temporarily open to registered users only to prevent spam bots. /msg nickserv help to register | ||
| OculusAquilae | tseng: hm, me and another guy are registered and it doesn't work | 04:33 |
| tseng | works for me | 04:33 |
| tseng | did you identify to nickserv? | 04:34 |
| OculusAquilae | yes | 04:34 |
| LaschW | tseng: It's me who is the other guy... | 04:34 |
| LaschW | tseng: me too | 04:34 |
| OculusAquilae | :-) | 04:34 |
| tseng | if you are properly registered and identified, i dont see why you would have any problems getting in, sorry. | 04:34 |
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| azeem | 16:25 [OPN] -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de | 04:35 |
| azeem | is that not applicable to registered users? | 04:35 |
| LaschW | tseng: I would see it _very_ strange to be banned whithout _ever_ posting to the channel. | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | LaschW: its more than your ISP is banned | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | perhaps someone was being a git | 04:36 |
| LaschW | tseng: Up to now I've only been listening | 04:36 |
| tseng | its a ban on the entire block | 04:36 |
| tseng | i dont run #ubuntu, sorry. | 04:36 |
| LaschW | tseng: a block on an IP range??? | 04:36 |
| tseng | LaschW: yes??? | 04:37 |
| OculusAquilae | seems so, strange | 04:37 |
| tseng | he just showed you the hostmask being blocked. | 04:37 |
| LaschW | tseng: never heared that before, not for irc... | 04:37 |
| tseng | but im sorry to say, I cannot help you. | 04:37 |
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| LaschW | tseng: who may be able to give a helping hand? | 04:37 |
| tseng | Seveas is the only oper | 04:37 |
| OculusAquilae | hm | 04:38 |
| LaschW | Seveas: Did you follow the thread between tseng, OculusAquilae and me? | 04:38 |
| Seveas | no, reading back now | 04:39 |
| Seveas | yeah, that ban is part of spambot prevention | 04:40 |
| Seveas | it failed anyway, I'll remove it | 04:40 |
| OculusAquilae | thanks | 04:40 |
| LaschW | Seveas: Hey seems you are quite close to me, location Friesland, maar het duitse Friesland | 04:40 |
| Seveas | I'm not in Friesland :) | 04:41 |
| LaschW | Seveas: Hhhm, but I would say that most dutch counties are much closer to Friesland than bavaria, eg. :-) | 04:41 |
| Seveas | hehe | 04:42 |
| Seveas | that's true | 04:42 |
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| LaschW | Seveas: Most people are not able to differentiate between Friesland / Netherland / Denmark. So at least most people who are more than 500km in distance | 04:44 |
| Seveas | hahaha, how true :) | 04:44 |
| LaschW | Seveas: differentiate / onderscheidmakentussen | 04:44 |
| LaschW | Seveas: Pardon my pidgin english | 04:44 |
| LaschW | Seveas: May I ask how this bann occured, technical? | 04:45 |
| Seveas | there are spam bots all over freenode | 04:45 |
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| LaschW | Seveas: Has it been a ban on IP level as tseng mentioned? | 04:46 |
| Seveas | yup | 04:46 |
| Seveas | *.dip0.t-ipconnect.de was banned | 04:46 |
| LaschW | Seveas: Interesting, didn't know that this could be done up to now | 04:46 |
| Seveas | One can just as much ban *!*@* | 04:47 |
| Seveas | which means: everyone :) | 04:47 |
| LaschW | Seveas: *.dip0.t-ipconnect.de is another ip range than my Provider uses... | 04:47 |
| hunger | where did you ban me? | 04:48 |
| LaschW | Seveas: And *.dip0.t-ipconnect.de will ban some million german Telecom customers. At least it's the biggest provider, afaik | 04:49 |
| \sh | it is the biggest | 04:50 |
| hunger | Seveas: Yeap... and it has lots of subcontractors as well... you basically locked out 95% of all german broadband users. | 04:50 |
| Seveas | yeah, that's why I removed it | 04:51 |
| hunger | Seveas: Thanks! | 04:51 |
| Seveas | the spambots have way too big a net to ban effectively | 04:51 |
| \sh | Seveas: whats the prob with t-online? | 04:51 |
| Seveas | one of the nets abused by the spambot attack... | 04:52 |
| Seveas | (which is still going on) | 04:52 |
| \sh | hmmm...freenode can file a complaint against t-online users | 04:52 |
| \sh | abuse@t-online.de or so | 04:53 |
| LaschW | Seveas: I've never noticed spam / spambots up to now. How do they occur, as normal users who behave as trolls? | 04:53 |
| OculusAquilae | i had some spambots today | 04:53 |
| Seveas | users that quickly enter+exit a channel and then spam all users on the channel in PM | 04:53 |
| Seveas | has been going on for almost a day now | 04:54 |
| hunger | \sh: t-offline does not really care in my experience. | 04:54 |
| Seveas | #ubuntu is currently blocked for non-registered users, these are forwarded to a channel wher I'm announcing this periodically | 04:54 |
| \sh | hunger: they're caring when the users are blocked on ip range | 04:54 |
| LaschW | Seveas: PM means per E-Mail not per private chat? | 04:54 |
| Seveas | PM = private message | 04:54 |
| hunger | \sh: it is "only" IRC and only one network as well. | 04:55 |
| OculusAquilae | fucking spammers :-( | 04:56 |
| \sh | hunger: it's freenode..many opensource devs have dsl from telekom or their subcontractors...so the users will complain as well, and then t-online has to react | 04:56 |
| LaschW | OculusAquilae: I would say you never have been in contact to t-online abuse team. :-)) | 04:57 |
| \sh | actually...at our company...we're caring about and we're closing the account temporalily during investigation of spam or other activites not allowed in our contracts | 04:57 |
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| LaschW | OculusAquilae: It's better called NOabuse-team or better ProAntiabuse-team. | 04:57 |
| hunger | \sh: All I am saying that the company is *extremly* unresponsive. | 04:57 |
| \sh | hunger: lemme ask for the contacts to t-online from my security it boss :) | 04:58 |
| Mitario | could someone update gconf2? it still depends on libglitz | 04:58 |
| hunger | \sh: It does not even care about people when they tell them that they are going to leave if they are ignored much longer. | 04:58 |
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| Seveas | grmbl | 04:59 |
| Seveas | freenode is crap | 04:59 |
| \sh | hunger: u will always come back to the telecom in this or that way...that's the thing... | 04:59 |
| Seveas | it's the only network that i'm getting disconnects from | 04:59 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: try darkernet, it's even more crap ;) | 04:59 |
| === LaschW thanks Seveas for fixing #ubuntu ban and leveas for supper | ||
| === OculusAquilae too | ||
| \sh | me has supper right now..a nice dner | 05:01 |
| infinity | Mitario : Working on it... It's a weekend, expect people to be a bit slack. :) | 05:02 |
| Mitario | infinity, heh, np :) just discovered it was depending on libglitz when I was looking at rhythmbox :) | 05:02 |
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| infinity | Mitario : No big deal. Everything that isn't horribly FTBFS will be rebuilt for cairo/glitz in the next day or two. | 05:05 |
| Mitario | allright great :) | 05:05 |
| Seveas | hmm, how many transitions were ther in the past months?! | 05:06 |
| infinity | Seveas : Lots. | 05:06 |
| Seveas | I certainly lost count | 05:06 |
| infinity | gcc-4.0, c++ ABI bump, libcairo1 -> libcairo2 -> libcairo2 without gliz, GL/GLU from xorg to mesa, aalib -> libaa, slang1 -> slang2.... Uhm. | 05:07 |
| infinity | A few. | 05:07 |
| \sh | cxx, xorg, cairo, slang (ongoing), unmetdeps (ongoing), gl/glu, gl/glu-mesa | 05:07 |
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| \sh | too many | 05:07 |
| infinity | <shrug>... I don't mind so much. If we get all this sorted, we'll be in really good shape for a nearly transition-free devel/release cycle for breezy+1. | 05:08 |
| infinity | Which is high on my list of Really Good Things. | 05:08 |
| slomo | Seveas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions <--- that's the page i created a few minutes ago... because i also lost track ;) | 05:08 |
| jdub | infinity: *cough* | 05:09 |
| infinity | jdub : Swallow something? | 05:09 |
| jdub | infinity: 'sif it's going to be transition free :) | 05:09 |
| infinity | jdub : I did say "nearly". | 05:09 |
| jdub | (of course, we could just specify that as a goal, and JFDI( | 05:10 |
| \sh | infinity: well..regarding main, u r right, regaring universe...I think we will have a bumpy right when breezy is released...and for breezy+1 we have to polish everything | 05:10 |
| infinity | jdub : In comparision, it will SEEM transition-free. | 05:10 |
| jdub | haha | 05:10 |
| Seveas | slomo, that's not complete | 05:10 |
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| infinity | \sh : I keep switching hats back and forth in an effort to try and help you guys keep universe buildable/installable. | 05:10 |
| Seveas | it misses the mono and X transitions at least ;( | 05:10 |
| Seveas | ;) | 05:10 |
| infinity | \sh : I wouldn't be too doom and gloom about it, I think we'll be in good shape in universe. | 05:10 |
| slomo | Seveas: maybe... so please add it :P | 05:11 |
| Seveas | I don't know their state.. | 05:11 |
| slomo | Seveas: and mono transition is long over... so not really necessary | 05:11 |
| slomo | Seveas: set it to unknown... i don't know the state for x transition either | 05:11 |
| Seveas | and gcc4 of course | 05:11 |
| \sh | infinity: for breezy+1 we need to "plan those transitions" much better for universe...I talked with ogra about it..and we're working on it :) | 05:11 |
| infinity | \sh : Building reverse-build-dep and reverse-dep trees/maps can go a long way to making things easier. | 05:12 |
| \sh | anyways...the week after next...I will hit again :) | 05:12 |
| infinity | \sh : If you can do a full transition (modulo FTBFS issues) in one well-ordered string of uploads, life is much easier. | 05:12 |
| mako | Alex: around | 05:13 |
| \sh | infinity: yepp but u know...it will be my first ubuntu release and the next will be much better :) | 05:13 |
| \sh | infinity: so for breezy I didn't know anything at all...(work processes etc. in debian env.) but now..I learned, I'm trained...and lets rock on breezy+1 ,-) | 05:14 |
| infinity | \sh : Heh. Debian development in general is an interesting learning experience, and I can imagine that starting with Ubuntu (where our release cycle are short and furious) is even more interesting. | 05:14 |
| Seveas | "Ubuntu -- where the release cycle are short and furious" | 05:16 |
| Seveas | nice slogan | 05:16 |
| \sh | infinity: I mean, I worked on debian packages long ago..but when u r not all day long involved in some working processes..it's really hard to accomplish some things..but now it was a real push of my knowledge and I learned a lot | 05:16 |
| jdub | having very fast turnaround times for this stuff is a huge benefit | 05:16 |
| \sh | Seveas: right it down, put a (c) 2005 by Adam Conrad to it..and make it a heading for "DeveloperResources" ,-) | 05:16 |
| \sh | s/right/write/ | 05:17 |
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| \sh | I found a nice logical bug today in launchpad | 05:17 |
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| \sh | bugs filed to products, are not mentioned in common malone buglist...and it's not possible to assign them != upstream maintainer | 05:18 |
| infinity | jdub : Being able to do transitions rapidly is quite nice, but it can also be a lot more stressful than the Debian environment. | 05:19 |
| infinity | \sh : I assume you're filing bugs on malone as you find them?... I know Brad loves quality feedback. | 05:20 |
| HiddenWolf | Any kernel/alsa hackers here? | 05:20 |
| tseng | jdub: its also an assload of work on people like \sh | 05:20 |
| infinity | tseng : Bah. \sh enjoys pain, that's obvious. | 05:20 |
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| \sh | infinity: hahahha | 05:21 |
| \sh | infinity: I'm not in SM, actually not while I'm working on software ,-) | 05:21 |
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| jdub | infinity: ie. it's hours/days of people pinging you instead of drawing it out over weeks/months ;-) | 05:23 |
| infinity | jdub : Yeah, but it means I can't ignore my emails for months. <cough> | 05:24 |
| infinity | :) | 05:24 |
| infinity | (funny story: I fired up my Windows laptop the other day to rescue an old email from Outlook, and was informed by Outlook that I had a task that was 230 weeks overdue...) | 05:25 |
| jdub | heh | 05:26 |
| jdub | j^: do you not want to use dhcdbd? | 05:26 |
| j^ | jdub not at compile time | 05:27 |
| j^ | its just needed by configure at the moment to get its path | 05:28 |
| j^ | --with-dhcdbd=/sbin/dhcdbd should too too | 05:28 |
| j^ | *doo | 05:28 |
| jdub | oh | 05:29 |
| infinity | ls | 05:31 |
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| infinity | -EWIN | 05:31 |
| \sh | hmmm...I'm in need of a linksys wrt54g router | 05:31 |
| \sh | and they sold it last time at saturn for less then 50 | 05:31 |
| infinity | (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/cairo$ apt-get source `cat brokenPackages` | 05:32 |
| infinity | Reading package lists... Done | 05:32 |
| infinity | Building dependency tree... Done | 05:32 |
| infinity | Need to get 131MB of source archives. | 05:32 |
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| jdub | *snicker* | 05:32 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: that's less than just ooo2-amd64 or ia32-libs. Don't complain. | 05:43 |
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| xhaker | someone using wireless here that can send a file with the iwlist scan output? | 06:15 |
| xhaker | can't find anything on the net | 06:15 |
| sivang | does anybody experience problems with irssi? I get the screen all blue every once when a new msg appears | 06:20 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: you're using screen and gnome-terminal? | 06:20 |
| sivang | Mithrandir: yeah, what causes it? | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | and have switched to another tab after you connected to the screen? | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | it seems like it's a bug in gnome-terminal. Annoying. | 06:21 |
| sivang | very much, but I think I've opened a new tab, then closed it altogether. | 06:23 |
| sivang | (and still getting this bug) | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | just disconnect and reconnect the screen. | 06:24 |
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| sivang | Mithrandir: ok, I'll do that, thanks | 06:24 |
| sivang | Mithrandir: hrm, actually you mean to kill the server's screen session and then restart it? | 06:25 |
| Mithrandir | no, just C-a d and then screen -rd again | 06:27 |
| jbailey | C-a c, C-a <spc> is usually enough for me. | 06:28 |
| jbailey | Or I resize the window. | 06:28 |
| infinity | I detach and reattach. | 06:29 |
| infinity | And, for the record, it happens with BitchX too (someone was under the impression that it was only reproducible with irssi) | 06:29 |
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| Mithrandir | I just don't use gnome-terminal. :-) | 06:29 |
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| jbailey | infinity: Aren't you supposed to be asleep? | 06:37 |
| infinity | Yup. I'm doing a fantastic job of it, too. | 06:37 |
| sivang | Mithrandir: what do you use instead? | 06:37 |
| sivang | [OF] does anybody know if H.G. Wells was British or American? | 06:39 |
| infinity | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.G._Wells | 06:39 |
| jbailey | sivang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells mentions a whole bunch of 'royal' this and 'royal' that. | 06:40 |
| jbailey | So I'm guessing not American. | 06:40 |
| infinity | He was British, yes. | 06:40 |
| infinity | Also.... | 06:40 |
| infinity | jbailey : JINX. | 06:40 |
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| \sh | *grmpf* | 06:40 |
| \sh | I think I have to buy some beer for tonight and have a look to boson-base with a dizzy brain | 06:41 |
| \sh | I hope that I understand what they're trying to "develop" there... | 06:41 |
| sivang | \sh: what's boson base? | 06:43 |
| \sh | a 3d game enviroment... | 06:43 |
| sivang | infinity: why JINX ? | 06:43 |
| \sh | hmm..it looks like it wants to have an older version of kde-games include headers | 06:45 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: pterm | 06:45 |
| \sh | no wonder that all *.ui files of this package were broken | 06:45 |
| \sh | and new version of this, doesn't build as well...hellaluja | 06:45 |
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| [SemTeX] | I just upgraded my hoary to breezy on a laptop and found a problem with the x config | 06:56 |
| [SemTeX] | it sets a mouse as corepointer, but there was no mouse on the laptop | 06:57 |
| [SemTeX] | had to fix this manually and set the touchpad as corepointer | 06:57 |
| \sh | normally it has 2 entries... | 06:59 |
| \sh | the mouse as core and the touchpad (synaptics normally) as second pointer | 06:59 |
| [SemTeX] | it had | 07:00 |
| [SemTeX] | but didn't start with that config | 07:00 |
| \sh | hmmm.. | 07:00 |
| [SemTeX] | so i commented out the mouse and set synaptics as corepointer | 07:01 |
| \sh | strange..cause it starts here.. | 07:01 |
| [SemTeX] | weird | 07:01 |
| [SemTeX] | i'll try to enable the mouse back and test some other things to be sure :) | 07:01 |
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| === sivang listens to pink floyd war of the worlds audio transcript, remarkable. (much better then the movie, IHMO) | ||
| \sh | sivang: u mean the new movie or the old one? | 07:10 |
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| Coyctecm | I can't disable touchpad via button in keyboard... | 07:18 |
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| sivang | \sh: ah, I've never seen the old one (frmo 1952?) but I can guess its better | 07:28 |
| sivang | Mithrandir: I had bit quite with the terminal bug, but now it returned | 07:29 |
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| \sh | sivang: i think so...but i don't know the correct movie date...have to look... | 07:34 |
| jordi | jdub: any update on thel ists stuff? | 07:38 |
| jordi | I figure he must be sleeping. | 07:40 |
| jordi | jdub: I'll be back tomorrow night or monday. | 07:41 |
| jordi | laters. | 07:41 |
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| HiddenWolf | Who is the Alsa guy? | 08:03 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: you are ;) | 08:04 |
| HiddenWolf | I'm the guy with an horrific confusing bug that I need to figure out how to fix. :P | 08:05 |
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| HiddenWolf | alsa maintainer field isn't set. :S | 08:07 |
| crimsun | what type? | 08:10 |
| HiddenWolf | maintainer is set to some debian email adres. Doesn't tell me who I need to bug to figure this stupid thing out. | 08:11 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: this is probably better addressed in #ubuntu | 08:11 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, I've tried #ubuntu, and -nl. seveas and treenaks don't know. Little hope for me among the general public. | 08:11 |
| crimsun | I wasn't paying attention, recap | 08:12 |
| HiddenWolf | I just want to get a clue about what's going wrong, so i can file a meaninful bug. :) | 08:12 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: bugzilla.ubuntu.com ; file a bug on "alsa" | 08:12 |
| Treenaks | or something? | 08:12 |
| HiddenWolf | Treenaks, I did, but the only thing I can tell is that I don't get sound on either soundcard on either an upgrade or a fresh install of Breezy daily. | 08:13 |
| crimsun | I'm sorry, HiddenWolf, but I'm pressed for time currently. Can you recap in #ubuntu? | 08:13 |
| HiddenWolf | Now that's not likely to get it fixed fast. :S | 08:13 |
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| === sivang grumpfs. Why can't gnome panel and the applets use the same method for menu creation... | ||
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| pef | hi | 08:35 |
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| \sh | madduck: ping | 08:40 |
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| madduck | \sh: yes? | 08:41 |
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| madduck | \wii \sh | 08:44 |
| madduck | argh. i have latexitis | 08:44 |
| \sh | madduck: hehe... | 08:45 |
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| madduck | what's up? | 08:46 |
| \sh | madduck: u wrote something on your wiki about bazaar and upstream source and debianization | 08:46 |
| madduck | that's the pkg-zope wiki, but yes. | 08:47 |
| \sh | on http://debian.madduck.net/pkg-zope/wiki/Arch/Package/Upstream | 08:47 |
| \sh | yes | 08:47 |
| madduck | it's all work in progress and there will be changes... | 08:48 |
| madduck | and i will try to use bzr soon. | 08:48 |
| \sh | what about patching upstream and creating unified diffs...we had a discussion with j^ about his changes without providing unified diffs | 08:48 |
| madduck | huh? | 08:49 |
| \sh | if you pull a source from somewhere and create a baz repos | 08:49 |
| \sh | change something in the code...debianize the source and build the packages... | 08:50 |
| \sh | the orig.tar.gz should be always the orig upstream package..so all changes go into diff.gz..which is sometimes not nice | 08:50 |
| \sh | madduck: have a look to backlog of #u-motu ,-) | 08:51 |
| madduck | yes. | 08:51 |
| madduck | i am not logged into u-motu. | 08:51 |
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| \sh | hehe | 08:51 |
| madduck | i am on too many channels already... wanna send me logs? | 08:52 |
| \sh | madduck: use the irclogs of fabbione ,-) | 08:52 |
| madduck | thx | 08:52 |
| \sh | madduck: thanks to you :) | 08:54 |
| madduck | i'll be with you in #u-motu in a bit, okay? | 08:55 |
| \sh | madduck: u can stay forever :) | 08:55 |
| \sh | madduck: actually I don't understand him..or I'm too non-baz alike but I think the first point is more right then the latter | 08:56 |
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| sivang | anybody to sponser my pkg of gnome-panel ? | 09:30 |
| sivang | (lpi patches) | 09:31 |
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| netdur | hey, I installed breezy, the kernel has some problems, it doesn't load speedtch model, so I can't get online... also usplash thing doesn't work fine (compaq computer) but everything else so far so good! I'm going to install old kernel so I can get online and do more tests | 10:19 |
| hub_ | speedtouch? | 10:20 |
| hub_ | you still use USB ADSL modems? | 10:20 |
| netdur | yep | 10:20 |
| netdur | yes | 10:20 |
| hub_ | ghawd | 10:21 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun? | 10:22 |
| netdur | here in Morocco, there speedtouch and sagem usb adsl modem... nothing more | 10:22 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: yes? I'm extremely lagged atm, so I may not respond timely | 10:22 |
| hub_ | speedtouch DO exist as Ethernet. In fact the first one was Ethernet | 10:23 |
| hub_ | I hate these stupid manufacturers | 10:23 |
| hub_ | cut down price to sell crap | 10:23 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun: you asked me to check if my audigy sound card worked under colony3. It does, out of box. However, daily does _not_ work. | 10:23 |
| HiddenWolf | what do you want me to do? | 10:25 |
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| BenC | anyone give me a quick tutorial on installing grub by hand after an install (e.g. a debian system with lilo, upgraded to ubuntu)? | 10:51 |
| BenC | by hand meaning, I have the package installed, but not grub as the bootloader | 10:52 |
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| HiddenWolf | BenC: grub-install && update-grub | 10:55 |
| HiddenWolf | something along those lines | 10:56 |
| crimsun | BenC: to install GRUB in the MBR? | 10:57 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: sorry, my wifi connection sucks today | 10:57 |
| HiddenWolf | Crimsun: I've attached my /proc/asound and the other things you needed to bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14232 | 10:58 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: thanks, I'll take a look in a bit | 10:58 |
| crimsun | (barring my wifi collapsing completely, grr) | 10:59 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun: also, my tvtuner sound chip doesn't show up anymore in alsa / mixers. Is this intentional? | 10:59 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: bt87x? | 11:00 |
| HiddenWolf | yup. It seems to be disabled completely. | 11:00 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: is it loaded? (snd_bt87x) | 11:00 |
| HiddenWolf | Doesn't seem to be, no. | 11:01 |
| HiddenWolf | the kernel has lost it. :P | 11:01 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun: I'm slow too. battling with the wiring of my speaker set. ;) | 11:03 |
| crimsun | snd-bt87x exists in 2.6.12-7-686 | 11:03 |
| HiddenWolf | Doesn't seem to get loaded here. | 11:04 |
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| crimsun | but it exists as /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/snd-bt87x.ko, correct? | 11:05 |
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| HiddenWolf | it seems to | 11:06 |
| HiddenWolf | 2.6.12.11-k7 | 11:06 |
| crimsun | err | 11:06 |
| crimsun | what is that from? | 11:06 |
| HiddenWolf | that's the version synaptic gives me. | 11:07 |
| crimsun | my linux-image-$(uname -r) is package version 2.6.12-7.11 | 11:07 |
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| HiddenWolf | 2.6.12-6-386 | 11:08 |
| crimsun | you're an abi version behind | 11:09 |
| crimsun | well, for that package | 11:09 |
| HiddenWolf | hm | 11:10 |
| HiddenWolf | I'll reboot to a newer kernel, brb | 11:10 |
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| HiddenWolf | crimsun: 2.6.12-7-k7 | 11:12 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: sound quality? | 11:12 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, one sec, Rhythmbox won't run. | 11:13 |
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| HiddenWolf | I've got sound. Still only one channel it seems. | 11:14 |
| crimsun | are you using an ~/.asoundrc ? | 11:14 |
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| HiddenWolf | Doesn't seem to be the case. | 11:16 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: one channel being? | 11:20 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, sound coming out of my line1, but not line2 or 3 (i'm quite a noob, but seem to need these for 5.1 sounds..) not a big issue one way or another. | 11:21 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: ok | 11:22 |
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| HiddenWolf | the snd_bt87x module isn't loaded still. :( | 11:23 |
| hunger | Anyone working on updating the linux-restricted-modules so that the new ATI drivers are installed? | 11:23 |
| HiddenWolf | hunger, daniels isn't here. | 11:25 |
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| hunger | I am feeling really stupid... but I can not get rid of that Mesa GL lib for some reason. | 11:27 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, need I file a bug about that bt87etc module? | 11:29 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: did you attach /proc/asound/cards before (colony 3) and after (daily)? | 11:30 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, what I posted is colony3. Do you need daily too? | 11:31 |
| hunger | There is no libGL.so* on my system anymore, but glxinfo still claims there is Mesa inderect rendering:-( | 11:33 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: I need to be able to compare what happened after, so yes | 11:34 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, ok, i'll upgrade to daily then. :P | 11:35 |
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| HiddenWolf | crimsun, suddenly getting weird "could not open resource for writing" errors | 11:46 |
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| slowtek | part #ubuntu-devel | 11:49 |
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| HiddenWolf | and someone should fix that udev annoyance. :P | 11:50 |
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| HiddenWolf | crimsun, upgrading from colony3 to daily leaves me with sound. | 11:55 |
| HiddenWolf | I can still give you the info, if you want. | 11:55 |
| crimsun | so what was the issue? | 11:56 |
| HiddenWolf | No idea | 11:56 |
| HiddenWolf | If I do a clean daily install, no sound. Upgrade from hoary-> daily no sound, but colony3 and upgrading from it work fine. | 11:56 |
| crimsun | hoary->colony3? | 11:57 |
| HiddenWolf | Haven't tried. | 11:57 |
| HiddenWolf | My route today was daily -> hoary -> daily -> colony -> daily | 11:57 |
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