[12:04] eh, the hoary installer is trying to give me 12Gb of swap [12:07] elmo, sure, hibernate needs 3x RAM :p === otavio [n=otavio@unaffiliated/otavio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] elmo : Should I light up the buildds again, or is jackass going to be up and down all day? [12:13] fire it up [12:13] I know what's killing it, and I'll just not do that [12:14] Heh. [12:14] I'll not be migrating it to the weekend [12:14] the buildds fail nicely when they can't ssh to jackass tho right? [12:14] Yes. [12:14] ok [12:14] Assuming the hotname won't change when you migrate. [12:15] hostname, even. === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] ip/hostname/ssh will all remain the same [12:15] (Well, they'd fail nicely either way, they'd just not stop failing if the hostname changes) === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c183071.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] has anyone noticed slight performance hits in drawing operations since gnome 2.12(cairo) === Elleo [n=Elleo@shellsong.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] tseng: monodevelop moved [01:15] mdz: thank you. [01:15] mdz: the rest will follow? [01:16] tseng: the rest? [01:16] mdz: gtk-sharp2 was the goal [01:16] tseng: most of it wants to go to universe, but not the source package [01:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt [01:17] tseng: monodoc-gtk2.0-manual is still in Supported [01:18] im seeing that [01:18] depended on by monodoc-manual [01:18] oh? [01:18] yes. [01:18] I don't see any dependencies on it [01:19] hm yes [01:19] where did i just see this [01:20] oh, -gtk2.0- depends on monodoc-manual [01:20] not the other way [01:20] i see no rdepends for monodoc-gtk2.0-manual [01:22] tseng: I've removed it, cross-merged to kubuntu and edubuntu [01:22] it should fall out in the next germinate run === robitaille [n=daniel@p235-024.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] mdz: wonderful, ill watch this anastacia page. [01:27] tseng: if you poke me when it disappears from people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/ then I'll push it through immediately after [01:27] mdz: can do. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] where should gnome applets files been installed?? === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [n=bskahan@pool-151-205-104-183.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bska|mobile [n=bskahan@ool-18b96667.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] Rejected: lsb-release-udeb_1.4-8ubuntu1_i386.udeb: architecture part of filename (i386) does not match package architecture in the udeb (all). [02:16] ^-- whoever uploaded lsb-release last [02:16] hmm, colin, a month ago === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bska|mobile [n=bskahan@ool-18b96667.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === salkin [n=salkin@c-24-99-70-56.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] Hi, this is not a support request. I am just having trouble getting a bugzilla login and I wanted to mention that emacs fails to even start on my breezy/x86 install. No messages when started from console. Strace didn't tell me anything useful with a quick read. I just wanted to make someone aware of that. Thanks. === salkin [n=salkin@c-24-99-70-56.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === bska|mobile [n=bskahan@pool-151-205-104-183.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host37-78.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [n=bskahan@pool-151-205-104-183.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bska|mobile [n=bskahan@pool-151-205-104-183.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kronoss [n=kronoss@FW-7-250.go.retevision.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === skora [n=skora@69-173-197-201.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] elmo: could you sync socketapi from debian? c++ lib rename was unnecessary === bskahan [n=bskahan@pool-151-205-104-183.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb-aw1y [n=bradb@modemcable230.58-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ECAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] elmo: while you're at syncs check if Scite 1.64-2 is already at the debian pool and sync it === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.152.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb-away [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] elmo: also sync plucker, drop ubuntu changes === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker is away (Away, bnc logging) === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] tseng: stuff moved === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB_ [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-128-74.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] mmm, baz is _so_ fast, oh yes [05:15] two hours just to do glibc *sigh* === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wAiChUn [i=UNIX@219.95.35.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487E9D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gabaug [n=gabe@adsl-68-77-38-10.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gabaug [n=gabe@adsl-68-77-38-10.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:48] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [05:49] yay! [05:58] morning jdub === glick [n=noobia@cpe-24-193-254-95.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] hi all [06:17] ok so i checked out the website on ubuntulinux about contributing but i dont see a concrete list of what has to be done or maintained [06:17] its all very fuzzy [06:18] id like to contribute, maintain a coupla packages but where to begin? [06:19] glick: the motu team! [06:19] most packages start off in universe, which is cared for by the masters of the universe [06:19] in #ubuntu-motu [06:19] glick: #ubuntu-motu or wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [06:19] hmmm === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-173-207-169.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] Dear Shadow Maintainer ... a patch file for every translation change is NOT CLEVER! :p === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] jesus, are you kidding? === fabbione yawns [06:29] morning [06:29] Keybuk: ahahaha [06:30] syndicate shadow-4.0.3% ls debian/patches [06:30] : [06:30] 101_cs.dpatch [06:30] 102_de.dpatch [06:30] : [06:30] 112_da.dpatch [06:30] 113_es.dpatch [06:30] : [06:30] 126_tr.dpatch [06:30] 127_zh_CN.dpatch [06:30] : [06:30] 205_it-manpages.dpatch [06:30] 206_ko-manpages.dpatch [06:30] etc. === fabbione sighs === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] hey, I'm getting in breezy: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [07:01] scorched3d: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6ubuntu1) which is a virtual package. [07:02] any ideas? [07:02] I haven't uploaded the fixed one yet [07:02] wait about 3 hours [07:02] thanks :) [07:02] (michiel already fixed it) [07:11] I want to know when we get the "either that wallpaper goes, or I do" release of initramfs-tools [07:11] i enjoyed the mistake-to-learn-from in the latest release [07:12] "Experience is simply the name we give out(sic.) mistakes." ? [07:13] Lady Windermere's Fan, iirc [07:13] it's a misquote, if it is [07:14] Act 3, Scene 1; Dumby: Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. [07:14] s/their/they're/ for good measure [07:14] no, that would be wrong [07:15] that would be experience! [07:15] heh === jdub burns suse ppc disk 1 [07:15] OF FIVE [07:15] fascists. [07:16] ya know, I never knew the "The difference between England and America is that when we hold a World Championship for a particular sport, we invite teams from other countries to play too" quote was John Cleese [07:19] hmm [07:19] what did I call the last release of dpkg? === Keybuk forgets [07:20] i don't think you called it gawn blotto [07:20] no, I don't think I even understood that one [07:21] it's fine for them to make no sense to other people, but I at least have to get the joke :p [07:21] gawn is australian for gone [07:21] blotto is australian for drunk [07:21] I see... [07:21] we had an australian one already [07:22] fie. [07:22] in fact, we've had two if you count On Like Donkey Kong [07:22] how about 'aloha'? [07:22] it's quite worrying that there's about 50 of them in my dpkg-release-names file now [07:22] I really need to make some more releases === dhonn [n=dhonn@ip68-8-245-95.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] Four fonts walk into a bar. Barman says, "oi, get out! we don't serve your type" [07:38] ha ha ha [07:39] ha ha [07:39] Man walks into a bar with a roll of tarmac under his arm, says "pint please, and one for the road" [07:39] that is not as good [07:40] woohoo! [07:40] hmm? [07:41] SuSE downloaded a last, did it? [07:41] booting opensuse beta3 install cd on this openpower machine [07:41] Loading Installation System (67420 kB) - 10% [07:41] ha ha [07:41] I see, defecting are we? [07:41] no [07:41] learning their secrets [07:42] so we too can boot on openpower [07:42] do we not? [07:42] nup [07:42] cunning [07:42] doesn't recognise the os on the cd [07:42] some funky cd build or yaboot foo involved === jdub keenly awaits kamion's return [07:42] he's not coming back [07:42] and when he does, he's not allowed more than 8 minutes of installer time a week [07:42] he's married now [07:43] it'll be different [07:43] that's okay, we're in the same club ;) [07:43] yes, but you're married to pia -- which makes you the woman in the family [07:44] wow, their curses installer has no respect for 19200 bps [07:45] Gentoo's does [07:45] you can install Gentoo over a 300 bps serial line [07:45] "make" doesn't need much in the way of fancy graphics [07:45] actually, someone told me the other week that Gentoo had a graphical installer now. I asked whether it was XEmacs === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] after configuring the language, timezone and time [07:46] i have "desktop selection" [07:46] describing both kde and gnome as "powerful and intuitive" and which mailer, browser and file manager they use [07:47] comical [07:47] you know the whole "innovation" argument [07:47] they ask BEFORE PARTITIONING [07:47] where those who claim they're innovating are usually the ones who do all the "ripping off" [07:48] well, two of the gay clubs in Birmingham are opposite the road from each other [07:48] The Nightingale and DV8 [07:48] the 'gale, after a refit, opened up during the afternoon and early evening as a bar and restaurant [07:49] they called the bar "B5" ... not really sure why, but that's it's name [07:49] a few months later, DV8 followed suit and opened up their bar outside of club ours [07:49] they called it "innov8" === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] I've been trying to explain the irony of this to various friends for a while now, but they don't get it [07:50] (now I think about it, B5 is probably the postcode) [07:55] why do we do -build versioning again? [07:55] jdub: they signify only a rebuild [07:56] yeah, what situations do we do a rebuild without changelog? [07:56] libraries underneath them changed [07:57] hmm? changelog should at least note rebuild or something to that effect; usually it's to use newer libs, like Keybuk mentioned [07:57] man, this installer stinks over 19200 === jdub ignores suse recommendation for reiser [07:59] changelog has to mention it, in fact [07:59] I challenge your claim to have seen a build version without a changelog entry [07:59] :-) [07:59] BECAUSE, and this is the clever bit, the version number comes _from_ the changelog entry [08:00] yes dear [08:00] the only other kinds of rebuilds are when they fail on the buildd for some logical reason that just means you have to give them back [08:00] that's the "laaaaamont" kind of rebuild [08:01] gar. [08:01] that's usually due to being uploaded before the shared library that changed [08:01] after repartitioning, it suggests i won't be able to boot unless i do a particular thing with partitioning [08:01] eeeediots [08:01] and almost every character change requires a screen update [08:01] sweet [08:01] I must admit to having never tried debconf over a serial line [08:01] does that not suck? [08:02] it's not this bad at all [08:02] hmm, I better get in the shower [08:05] got to get to Uncle Steve's before we head off to the pub [08:05] and it's a 4 hour train ride :-/ [08:05] say hello to the gang [08:05] will do [08:05] ciao === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === one2 [n=zombie@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] Treenaks: wakker? [09:20] aargh, er zijn weer random mensen die een pm-window met mij openen [09:20] net als gisteren [09:21] brr... eng [09:22] sorry! [09:22] Wrong channel! [09:23] ;-) [09:23] it's because #ubuntu being weird === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-148-32.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] Seveas, where to now? === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-148-32.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["which] === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === darksatanic [n=hugo@81-5-136-19.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] Keybuk was going to Steve's and the pub at 0700? [10:00] mdz: four hour train ride [10:01] jdub: even so...;-) [10:01] i think they have a bbq and stuff ;) === rubenv [n=ruben@ip-83-134-126-112.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pef [n=pef@dyn-83-157-248-200.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] hi [10:31] YAY, ubuntu livecd chroot on the 710 :) [10:32] \\o o// === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-158-242.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] hrm, no devices detected from the mga driver. hrm. === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-102-044.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] jdub: ah, colin has retunred and you made a bootable image? [10:46] sivang: no, using livecd chroot on top of opensuse [10:47] jdub: ah cool, that leaves for me at least some of the work for sunday/monday :) [10:47] jdub: are you X on the matrox? [10:48] can't get it running atm [10:48] (II) MGA: driver for Matrox chipsets: mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag100, mgag100 PCI, mgag200, mgag200 PCI, mgag400, mgag550 [10:48] (EE) No devices detected. [10:49] very yummy dual-cpu dual-core though :) [10:49] jdub: hehe, I know ;) can you post a photo of your machine? (I'd like to see it) [10:49] um [10:49] no [10:49] camera was nicked while i was in the states [10:50] ah bummers [10:53] jdub: how is oopensuse on that machine, btw? [10:53] seems ok [10:53] only done a minimal install [10:53] have to get rc on here [10:54] jdub: rc? [10:54] red carpet [10:55] eh :) === sivang --> logout, login === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] jdub: does the machines weighs alot? [11:05] s/machines/machine/ [11:06] not really, it's surprisingly light [11:06] 18-32kg says the box [11:07] That's light? [11:08] Treenaks: that's light :) [11:08] jdub: mine is about ~50Kg [11:08] jdub: it's a beast [11:08] sivang: what is it then? :) [11:09] Treenaks: pSeries POWER5 , hypervisor enabled virtualization platfrom by IBM [11:09] sivang: ah ok :) then it _is_ light ;) [11:09] Treenaks: I am running 6 operating systems on it, at the same time with no apparent latency. [11:09] sivang: nice [11:09] Treenaks: It's very interesting piece of hardware [11:10] sivang: I still think virtualisation is being overhyped atm :) [11:10] it supports virtualizaion at the hardware level, having a special component multiplexing the hardware in a way that each partition, is truely a machine of its own [11:11] sivang: I know what a hypervisor is :) === kronoss [n=kronoss@FW-7-250.go.retevision.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] ah oops , sorry:) [11:11] sivang: np :) [11:11] sivang: and it's a really cool idea.. I just don't see the use, that's all :) [11:12] ADJECTIVE ADJECTIVE {EXPLETIVE NOUN}! [11:12] some "YahooSeeker-Testing/v3.9" is retrieving /log/Ubuntu/keyboard-crack.html every _6_ seconds [11:13] Treenaks: where from? [11:13] sivang: 68.142.195.82 [11:14] Treenaks: that your ip? [11:14] sivang: no, that's theirs [11:14] Treenaks: what's that file got in it? [11:18] sivang: a blog post [11:18] sivang: http://foodfight.org/log/Ubuntu/keyboard-crack [11:19] Treenaks: ah :) === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@150.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=hidden@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] Is the lastest daily working? === sivang needs a faster machine for gnome pkgs build [11:52] this testing cycle takes too long.. [12:05] sivang: you said you had a POWER5 ;) === zeedo [n=zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Treenaks: nonon :) I don't have 15k$ for a computer machine :) it's at work.... [12:07] sivang: ssh compilefarm.work :P [12:07] Treenaks: they bought the higher end of this line, since it's also used as a build server and runs both a couple of instances of AIX and linux simultaneously [12:08] I _really_ like this ultra high resolution on this laptop [12:08] makes the fonts so crisp & clean :) [12:08] 1920x1200 @ 15.4" [12:08] mm [12:08] Treenaks, and you where calling me a showoff when I was happy with my 24" lcd! === HiddenWolf laughs [12:09] HiddenWolf: oh, you were talking about an LCD :P === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-28.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rubenv [n=ruben@ip-83-134-126-112.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] j^: I just installed your network manager packages for breezy, they work like a charm, nicely done :-) [12:26] Treenaks: notification area, is the panel area that displays applets icons? [12:27] sivang: it's the one which displays the red "You need to upgrade" icon, the Gaim icon, etc. === hunger [n=tobias@p54A61D36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Is there a fixed network-manager deb yet? [12:29] heh [12:29] Last monday somebody was working on that... [12:30] hunger: not officialy in the archives, but: http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ [12:30] Treenaks: and what is wncklet used for? [12:30] sivang: window lists etc [12:30] it's a 3 in 1 applet === hunger is updating 192MiB at the moment... all the stuff that changed since monday. [12:31] You sure are keeping yourself busy! [12:31] sivang: that's the desktop switcher [12:35] Could somebody please update sl-modem-daemon to depend on the linux-restricted-modules instead of sl-modem-modules-new (which does not exist in ubuntu)? Better yet: suggest lrm only since sl-modem-daemon runs with alsa as well. === andandare [n=andandar@214.Red-81-33-241.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans@202.73.108.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] hi all === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ECAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] anyone can share with me the ubuntu development process and license? [12:51] hey [12:51] hi jsg [12:51] how r u [12:51] brb dinner [12:51] frans-th, ??? [12:51] wow, what time there? here 5 [12:51] hi Mez :) i am from indonesia [12:52] " anyone can share with me the ubuntu development process and license?" [12:52] :P thx [12:53] right now, i have a job from goverment, i think jsgotangco, known it, we did a chat in this channel in several days [12:53] i have 2 question about ubuntu development. [12:53] this is not technical question, can share here? or pm better? [12:54] frans-th: Language? :) [12:54] frans-th: this is the best channel for it [12:54] cool [12:54] hi jdub, [12:54] ok [12:54] right now, i have a donation from canada goverment, called SIDA for open source development [12:55] we will use webservices and java, [12:55] and there is a small project, donation about sun server, for promoting open source, and i will make it become ubuntu repository [12:55] those are clear, i just wait the time [12:55] and there is a small project, to change ubuntu name become local brand. the project named by our goverment is merpati, mean piegon in indonesian language [12:56] but, i am personally better to promote ubuntu, in several way, but need information more about the ubuntu brand. [12:56] go on [12:56] i believe ubuntu brand is more open thatn redhat, suse, and of course JDS :) [12:57] JDS here renamed become IGOS Desktop with nick name Garuda, mean eagle in english [12:57] i believe that make a new brand, is need more time, becuase the team must rename the ubuntu theme to our theme, [12:57] and of course, change = make it must be tested first, and it is wasting time [12:58] i prefer to make the team become part of ubuntu development rather make thi [12:58] this project to make sure that we have a free and always free linux solution [12:59] all of this is fine [12:59] any comment on this? [12:59] we encourage rebranding [12:59] in our experience promoting linux in indonesia [01:00] there is 2 local brand, made by several of my friend, the software is not good as the original, both is a rebrand from fedora core 3 [01:00] but, Sun make the JDS become "IGOS Desktop" [01:01] and because the promotor is Sun, several goverment love it, but Sun charge for US$ 50/PC [01:01] we know JDS is commercial product [01:01] i think, in this case, we need a local brand of ubuntu, but ubuntu name there [01:02] that is not possible, because there is no ubuntu indonesia here, and there is canonical branch in indonesia [01:02] hold on [01:02] so, if we change to local brand, we cannot make the charisma llike ubuntu that happen here [01:02] neither of those are restrictions to you creating an indonesian branded version of ubuntu [01:03] jdub: what is that mean? [01:03] you can make your own version without canonical's permission [01:03] i think, this channel is cool, you are very helpfull :P [01:03] also, you could start an indonesian LoCo team [01:03] jdub: i know, we can change the ubuntu, if we know how to make it, but the problem is, the trust of the new version must be less than ubuntu name [01:04] frans-th: you could put "powered by ubuntu" on it :-) [01:04] i think, that is better to make ubuntu still :) so the ubuntu brand can become national distro [01:05] jdub: Waroeng IGOS and Blankon have that word, create based on Fedora Core 3, but i see after 3 month promotions, the popularity is getting down [01:05] jdub: i personally, love ubuntu more :P [01:05] why do you think they are less popular? [01:05] so, my question is, how open ubuntu brand [01:06] they are less popular, because several goverment wont use Waroeng IGOS and Blankon, they prefer IGOS Desktop from Sun, but of course with out paying [01:06] i think we need a global brand for this project, or like global support, [01:06] honestly, there are no support from Sun, :) [01:06] just marketing wording [01:06] ok [01:06] so canonical provides global support for ubuntu [01:07] what kind of global support? [01:07] but there is also the ubuntu marketplace - a list of companies who are supporting ubuntu [01:07] i never got this information [01:07] see the support section on www.ubuntu.com :) [01:07] my point is, i dont want to make a rebranding version :) and the goverment make an exception to make ubuntu become national standard distro, so my job reduced here, just to support ubuntu :P [01:08] jdub: can explain about the process of ubuntu development [01:08] you could become a support partner [01:08] ? how open is it? [01:08] totally open [01:08] you can become a maintainer of the supported packages :) [01:08] that is :) because ubuntu is very very open, make a local brand is not good [01:08] it's not like fedora/rhel [01:09] i will become a maintainer of support in the future, after the server arrived :) i am in the process to there. === rubenv [n=ruben@ip-83-134-126-112.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] that why, because you are more open than fedora, ubuntu brand is the cool brand :) [01:09] frans-th: would it help you if someone from canonical visited to talk to your government agencies about ubuntu, and how they can use it? [01:09] `can.. [01:09] if there is a canonical guy wanna help me, i can give the goverment contact to you [01:09] and he is the project manager of those of this kind of open source movement [01:10] and this job directly from the minister [01:10] frans-th: ok, i would be happy to help [01:10] jeff.waugh@canonical.com [01:10] ok [01:10] i will email you and cc to him, [01:10] great! [01:10] you can ask to those guys, that rebranding is a good case for education, but your investment from canonical, is better the goverment join the ubuntu netwrok [01:11] what do you think? [01:11] sounds good to me [01:11] ok [01:11] i will have to find out what sounds good to them ;) [01:11] i will email you and cc to him [01:11] cool [01:11] daniels: You maintain the linux-restricted-modules now in addition to X? You must be a busy guy. [01:11] because if we success, the 800 PC that is donated to the schools here, can become more popular :) [01:11] :-) [01:12] because the openenst of ubuntu :) [01:12] wait ok :P [01:14] j^: ping [01:15] jdub pong [01:15] :P [01:16] j^: just trying out your n-m packages - NM is failing to start bind [01:17] speaking of, can we upload those soon? [01:17] j^: any way to make it not ask my keyring password every time I boot up? [01:17] jdub did you make sure it is not running before starting NM? [01:17] now I have to login [01:17] wait for it to detect my wired is not cabled [01:17] j^: yeah, i stopped it [01:17] enter my keyring pass [01:18] jdub whats the error in syslog? [01:18] and then I finally have networking [01:18] aha [01:18] Aug 27 21:00:35 ubuntu named[10522] : couldn't open pid file '/var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager-pid-named': Permission denied [01:18] Aug 27 21:00:35 ubuntu named[10522] : exiting (due to early fatal error) [01:19] rubenv i dont know a way, you might ask on networkmanager-list@gnome.org [01:19] jdub does /var/lib/NetworkManager/ exist? [01:19] j^: will do, thx [01:19] yeah [01:19]