=== tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:04] hmm, many missing packages in universe [12:04] "missing" [12:05] unmet deps? [12:05] depending on missing packages [12:05] yeah with install candidate, but no binary [12:07] Burgundavia: bug #1167 is upstream, not mine, and its probably too late to fix for breezy [12:08] brb shower [12:08] crimsun, i'll get you some more fixes in a bit ;-) be prepared for my wrath [12:09] Mitario, uploaded through thoughttracker, updating wiki page. [12:09] crimsun, cool ftp-master back? [12:11] yup [12:12] crimsun, damn, you're at least halfway trough, I should hurry ;) [12:13] hehe [12:15] hmm, I need to get myself a new workstation [12:15] an amd64 would be nice [12:16] Mitario, t1lib-dev is not available on amd64, so tex-guy will FTBFS [12:16] hmm bah [12:16] no it should be libt1-dev [12:16] didn't I change that? [12:16] not in debian/control, nope [12:17] you mentioned it in debian/changelog ;) [12:17] no that was the rebuild, but [12:18] umm, it's changed here locally [12:18] probably uploaded the wrong debdiff :) [12:18] yes [12:18] sec [12:18] i'll upload the new one [12:18] ok [12:21] done, link updated [12:21] at least, when the wiki saves [12:21] yup now [12:24] showimg fixed [12:33] crimsun, is there an easy way to check wether the packages are build and installed? [12:34] Mitario: the buildlogs are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] Mitario, when they're installed, they'll be in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ === herzi [n=herzi@c183071.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] Mez: if you have other things to do, it seems not worth backporting mono at this point [12:49] Mez: its been stalling and we only have a month of hoary left [12:50] Mez: for breezy we wont have to backport the whole damn thing. [12:50] crimsun, ahh! 2 to go, and I'm still compiling [12:52] btw.: ghc6 now building for >4 hours ... maybe i should kill that cpuburn *g* [12:53] sistpoty: maybe you should kill upstream ;) [12:53] hehe [12:54] sistpoty, what kind of system do you have? [12:54] amd duron 1300 [12:54] so i386 [12:54] ah [12:54] yeah [12:54] athlon 1800 here [12:54] someone pass round the collection plate for sistpoty === ajmitch has 1800 also [12:54] hrhr [12:55] sfs is pretty big too [12:55] even my gf has a faster system than i do... :/ [12:55] heh [12:57] but i played doom3 all on this machine... this was almost as funny as quake1 on my 486 (frame -> turn around -> guess -> shoot -> frame -> damn, missed!) [12:57] haha [12:58] ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1171 [12:58] one of the 19890 bugs daniel assigned me today [12:58] ive closed most of them, congrats to filers for following up but not closing their bugs [12:59] Mitario, are you sure showimg -1ubuntu1 isn't sufficient? What does your -1ubuntu2 change over doko's previous cxx rebuild? [12:59] -1build1 and -1build2, sorry [01:01] tseng: thanks [01:02] I should ask for sync from elmo, just uploading to sid now [01:02] great [01:03] man next week at work will be great [01:03] we are shipping out brand new smp xeon 64s with ubuntu [01:03] 128Kbps upload sucks for debian [01:03] and reclaiming all the old x86 boxes with random RH versions [01:03] crimsun, just a rebuild actually [01:03] tseng: oh ship me one, please [01:04] crimsun, because currently it doesn't install [01:04] ajmitch: only 1 spare, sorry [01:04] Mitario, ok [01:04] ajmitch: corporate is making everyone buy the same model of server now, so we got twice the power we need [01:04] Mitario, I'll note it in debian/changelog [01:04] ajmitch: i cant complain. [01:04] crimsun, and build1 is for ABI update, build2 is actually package names [01:04] crimsun, ok [01:05] package names? Hmm [01:05] Make sure you uploaded the correct diff [01:05] ajmitch: i think i will sneak a pbuilder on the spare [01:05] yeah I mean, linking against the correct packages [01:05] ah, ok. [01:05] tseng: sweet === ajmitch will be back in 30min to resume uploads === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@p235-024.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] sffview fixed [01:33] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot 14344,43s user 1290,34s system 87% cpu 4:56:57,47 total [01:33] ^^ ghc6 built :) [01:33] now I'll redo this in pbuilder *cough* [01:33] it build without problems? [01:34] yesss :) finally... (took a new upstream version) [01:35] get it in universe asap ;-) [01:35] hm... i think this won't get there until sunday or so... ;) but i try to get my pbuilder working tonight :) [01:35] woops, that sounds a bit pushy [01:35] heh great :) [01:36] i.e. get my pbuilder use the now created ghc6 *g* [01:42] sfftobmp done === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] ha Seveas [01:53] hi [01:54] hi Seveas [01:55] seaview fixed === petgru is now known as pete === trulux [n=lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] if some packages has buildX should I then change it to ubuntuX or just ubuntu1? [02:26] for a change, or antother rebuild? [02:27] change [02:28] for a change use ubuntuX [02:28] I'd say ubuntu1 [02:29] drop the build [02:29] (just to be difficult) ;) [02:29] sorry, didn't read carefully enough ;) [02:29] yeah ok, I was wondering if you should continue the X from the build for instance build4 -> ubuntu5, or build4 -> ubuntu1 [02:29] -> ubuntu1 [02:30] ubuntu is higher than build? did i finally get how version names work? [02:30] sistpoty: yes, that's why we use it [02:30] all a-zA-Z are lower than numbers [02:31] hehe, i looked about 5 times at the policy and much too often get it wrong *g* [02:31] sistpoty, that's what dpkg --compare-versions is for :) === ajmitch wonders why people are putting all these rebuilds on their wiki pages :) [02:32] thx, Seveas... didn't know that [02:32] ajmitch, too keep up with my work [02:32] ajmitch, to look 1337 ;) [02:32] Seveas: that's what I was thinking ;) [02:32] ajmitch, so I can keep up with what's uploaded and what's not [02:32] oh, and as evicence for the CC ;) [02:33] but I think i'll also pass that without motu stuff [02:33] ajmitch, the MOTU with the longest list gets a free ubuntu CD ;) [02:33] haha [02:36] Mitario: I mean having things like 'clustalw-mpi' on there [02:37] owh, i have that one too ;) [02:37] Done [02:37] clustalw-mpi [02:37] [02:37] fixed by ajmitch [02:37] Mitario: that's what I was pointing out :P [02:37] hehe [02:37] since there was no fixing involved, and nothing really to be done === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-18-197.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] I just put every package I worked on on that special wiki page [02:38] but then I heard that you already fixed it, so it's just administration :) [02:39] all I did was dch, debuild -S, and dput ;) [02:40] hehe :) I can't do that yet [02:40] elmo's a bit busy atm :( [02:41] oh, I did make sure to run pbuilder & dpkg-deb to check dependencies before uploading, of course :) [02:42] why debuild instead of dpkg-buildpackage? [02:43] because debuild does more [02:44] and is less to type [02:44] hehe [02:44] ok === Seveas goes reading manpages [02:44] It first runs dpkg-buildpackage, then runs lintian and/or linda on the .changes file created (assuming that lintian and/or linda is installed), and finally signs the .changes and/or .dsc files as appropriate [02:44] nice === Seveas should remember that === ajmitch needs to break UVF [02:45] lots of people do that [02:45] according to breezy-changes [02:45] sure [02:49] scorched3d fixed [02:52] waah breezy is broken for my ibook... hm, need to talk to some kernel guy tomorrow :/ [02:52] gn8 everybody [02:52] nite [02:53] gn8 slomo [02:54] Mitario: what did you do for scorched3d? [02:55] hm [02:55] Mitario: did you check it on amd64? last version worked on i386 but broke on amd64 [02:55] because we were trying to get in a new openAL for it [02:58] ah [02:58] well I can't upload [02:58] I just put my debdiff on the wiki [02:58] so other MOTU's can check it out [02:59] sistpoty, no, I onfortunately don't have amd64 :( [02:59] people have been working on scorched3d a bit [02:59] ah right [02:59] hm [02:59] I just did the GL/GLU transition with the build-deps === ajmitch wonders what crack-fu tclmagick is on [03:00] non-native version with native packaging [03:00] ugly [03:00] Mitario: i don [03:00] + t have amd64 as well ;) but siretart who wanted to sponsor me has [03:00] ;) [03:01] :) [03:01] crimsun has been checking my previous submissions out [03:01] also on amd64 iirc [03:01] sablevm deps also fixed [03:02] Mitario: if you want something hard, you could check rscheme (is on my list, but i don't think, i can handle it) [03:03] with gcc-4 it builds the compiler, but the compiler segfaults... and upstream didn't do anything since 4 month [03:03] hrm [03:03] ok [03:03] I have an amd64 [03:03] i'm just now gong trough the alphabet of UnmetDeps :) [03:03] backwards [03:04] hehe [03:04] Mitario: I've just spent the last day or two rebuilding them all [03:04] what's the problem, does scorched3d FTBFS ? [03:04] I'm happy to run a test build if you need it [03:05] Yagisan: the current version FTBFS on amd64... but imo siretart did already do some work for it (not sure... ajmitch?) [03:05] ajmitch, the whole list? === Mitario generated one a few hours ago [03:06] Mitario: yes [03:06] and just skimmed trough it [03:06] Mitario: I generated a list & fed all of them to pbuilder [03:06] and fixed some debs, and rebuilds for others [03:06] ah [03:06] I've got several MB just of logfiles :) [03:06] hehe [03:07] umm, well, crimsun uploaded some fixes and rebuilds of mine, so am I ignoring your work now? :S [03:07] or did you upload the ones you fed to pbuilder [03:07] no, I still have to go through a lot of the logs [03:08] ah ok === Mitario is doing it one-by-one [03:08] so there's not a *lot* of stepping on toes here [03:08] it's best to check breezy-changes for any recent uploads [03:09] yeah I do === ajmitch has flooded his gmail account with breezy-changes ;) [03:09] hehe :) [03:10] hmm, ok rubrica seems to work again too now [03:11] ajmitch, hint: rss :) [03:11] Seveas: requires me to run another program to read the rss [03:12] I find gmail adequate for this [03:12] hehe, me has an rss reader op all the time [03:16] silly me, k3d needed build-dep changes === Mitario debdiffs rsplib === ajmitch has that on his list here [03:21] Mitario: but is your debdiff correct? :) [03:22] ajmitch, well take a look :) [03:22] I put them on the wiki page so someone else can check them if the fix is right, so someone can upload it :) [03:22] Mitario: right, I wouldn't have an explicit depends [03:23] but Build-Depends & ${shlibs:Depends} [03:23] which indicates that it's socketapi that needs fixed, rather than rsplib [03:23] aaah right [03:23] oki :) [03:24] a pkg that b-d's on socketapi should get the depend automagically [03:24] yeah [03:25] fixing rsplib is a workaround - not wrong, but not the best way imho [03:25] already thought it was odd that socketapi was defined there [03:25] no I agree === ajmitch checks out socketapi, just for fun [03:26] hehe :) [03:27] it looks like it shouldn't have been transitioned [03:27] btw should we use cdbs in favor of a normal rules file? [03:27] and transition the already existing [03:27] Mitario: we usually do [03:27] ok [03:27] no, we don't change the existing packaging to use cdbs [03:27] that would be an evil fork [03:28] ah ok [03:29] right, socketapi exports a C ABI === ajmitch will have to revert the transition & fix all the packages that depend on socketapi1c2 [03:29] fun! :) [03:29] wohoo! [03:29] do you think universe will be 'ready' by breezy? [03:30] hah no [03:30] amazing [03:30] hehe ok [03:30] just curious [03:30] nothing actually reverse-depends on socketapi1c2 [03:30] safe to de-transition === ajmitch will simply ask for a sync from elmo [03:37] hmm rmpi needs a rebuild [03:38] ok, will sign/upload [03:39] since I already have generated debdiffs :) [03:39] done [03:39] ajmitch, if you have time/want to, could you review my debdiffs for packages you haven't worked on on that wiki page? :) [03:39] thanks [03:41] I can, but the problem is that I've done a fair bit of the work automagically - and I just need to sign & upload most of the changes made :) [03:42] yeah ok :) [03:42] did you only check for packages that needed to rebuild, or also debian/control fixes? [03:43] so far I've just thrown everything at pbuilder & got source packages ready for upload [03:43] and I have build logs to work from [03:43] ok [03:43] as well as binary debs to check with dpkg-deb [03:43] hmm, do you think I should continue my list? or focus on something else.. [03:43] keep going if you want [03:44] yeah, but will it be useful :) [03:44] it probably will be :) [03:45] Mitario: s.th. useful to look at would be kaffe... I've also been after it ;) [03:45] Mitario: if you are interested [03:45] allright [03:45] there are plenty of packages that FTBFS [03:46] Mitario: basically sync from debian, but imo autoconf-stuff (which *is* in source-tarball) must be regenerated [03:46] sistpoty: we got kaffe synced from debian [03:46] and it built? [03:46] no :) [03:47] http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kaffe/2%3A1.1.5-5/kaffe_2%3A1.1.5-5_20050826-0448-ia64-failed.gz [03:47] there was some pango/cairo/freetype2 issue, but imo that all is from wrong configure (which in theory could be regenerated easily) [03:47] looks like a missing build-dep on freetype, for a start [03:48] /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory [03:48] no, gtk2 deps on freetype [03:48] (indirectly) [03:48] i checked that yesterday ;) === bradb-aw1y [n=bradb@modemcable230.58-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ECAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] ok :) [03:49] but i wasn't able to get the right automake-version/autoconf-version to get anywhere near a new configure *g* [03:49] welcome back, ogra ;) [03:49] hi ogra [03:50] it's probably just dsl reconnecting [03:50] hehe [03:54] hmm, have to go to bed now, 4am here :) [03:55] sistpoty, kaffe is building so I'll check the errors in a few hours [03:55] ajmitch, have fun with the rest of the unmetdeps good luck! :) [03:55] Mitario: ok... 4am here as well ;) [03:55] Mitario: heh, thanks ;) [03:55] gn8 Mitario [03:55] nn [03:56] i still want to trigger ghc6 in pbuilder... and i forgot some build-deps on haddock :( [03:56] sistpoty, those tests, are they after compiling? or in the middle of it.. [03:57] Mitario: what tests do you mean? [03:57] sistpoty, oh nm, it was running some test on some java examples [03:57] but it's configuring another component now [03:57] (building kaffe) [03:58] and now I'm going to force myself to get up [03:58] the errors came up later iirc, when the library is being built (swing and stuff, by gtk2 :) [03:58] or at least awt === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb-away [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xhaker is away (Away, bnc logging) [04:50] gn8 everybody [05:19] ajmitch: that nip2 build has issues... [05:24] phlaegel: worked for me, what are the issues? === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487E9D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch sees no failures in the build logs [05:42] segfaults when doing anything... opening preferences, opening and example workspace... [05:58] yeesh, Mitario certainly left me a pile o' work [05:58] crimsun_: that'll only take you a couple of minutes to process [06:00] ajmitch: I usually wget everything, pbuild it all, do the install/upgrade/remove check, sign, then upload [06:00] crimsun_: yes, but I've already got those first 2 steps done for most of that list :) [06:01] k [06:02] phlaegel: right, I can get that fixed in a couple of minutes.. === ajmitch will have to break UVF for it, but it's needed :) === glick [n=noobia@cpe-24-193-254-95.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] hi [06:22] hello glick [06:22] sup ajmitch [06:23] building packages, again :) [06:23] heh [06:23] nice [06:24] id like to join and help contribute but i dont kwo where to begin ive been reading the motuwannabetip site and all that [06:24] yep [06:25] there's plenty of packages to be fixed, a number of programs that users have requested be packaged [06:25] and only a few of us working on it [06:25] MOTU covers a lot. It may be easier for you if you begin by picking out a couple areas you favor, like documentation or packaging [06:25] id like to work on packaging [06:25] though i can do both [06:25] sure, there's a never-ending stream of packaging work - not the least of which is reviewing [06:26] like what? what programs need packagign? === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates [06:28] stuff to fix is on the MOTUTodo page [06:30] kguitar i like that [06:32] phlaegel: ok, nip2 works fine for me now, so I'll upload [06:33] wow there is some great software there [06:33] that should definatly be in the repos [06:34] glick: sure, but someone has to have time to package it :) [06:35] how many packages do you guys usually manage? [06:36] umm [06:36] I think universe has well over 10000 binary packages [06:36] so we have to get them all installable, at least [06:36] how many people work on that? [06:37] about 20-25, part-time at best :) [06:38] if they need packageing why are they still listed there if under status alot of them say they have develipers workin on it [06:38] because packaging something isn't a 5 minute task [06:39] and ew have to try & keep the wiki up to date as well [06:39] somone might volunteer to work on something & never get very far [06:40] or it's been done, and waiting for us to review it before upload [06:40] kguitar is like that [06:40] i see === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] ajmitch: nice... thanks === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun_ plods along with scorched3d [08:03] thank goodness my pbuilder's amd64, cos this mess would have FTBFS horribly === tvelocity [n=tony@chan530-a143.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] hi is anyone here? i have a rather "urgent" but easy-for-motus question [09:44] yes I am here [09:45] why is it urgent? [09:46] we're releasing sunday, i'd like to get beta test pacakges out tonight [09:46] the question is [09:46] is dpkg --update-available the way to "upgrade" a locally installed .deb? [09:46] i.e. if the beta test package is 1.2.9 [09:46] and when we release 1.3.0 on sunday [09:47] no, I'd never use that [09:47] morning [09:47] I'd always just use dpkg -i [09:47] hi siretart [09:47] huhu ajmitch === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] hey siretart [09:47] dpkg -i automatically does the upgrade? [09:47] that's what it's for [09:48] ok awesome. thanks [09:48] --update-available is not used for installing anything === siretart looks up --update-available [09:48] haha [09:48] I don't understand why you'd want to use --update-available? [09:48] no, a mere user won't need that at all [09:51] no i have no idea what's going on [09:51] i just did man dpkg [09:51] and it looked like the closest thing to what i needed :-) [09:52] what's the standard versioning for a pre-release? [09:52] i.e. we're releasing 1.3.0 on sunday [09:52] 1.2.9 was what i could think of [09:52] something like that, yes [09:52] or 1.2.9+1.3.0.alpha1 :) [09:58] nowadays, recent dpkg also support '~' [09:59] so you could also give your package the version 1.3.0~alpha1 [09:59] which would be less than 1.3.0 [09:59] note that this won't work with dpkg in sarge or earlier [10:03] I love that ~ trick [10:03] I'm using it for backports :) [10:03] and not with the current debian archive, iirc [10:03] since dak isn't using that code yet [10:17] ajmitch: ubuntu's dak seems to support it: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/ [10:17] yay! using gpg-agent has never been easier. just a 'echo use-session-pgp-agent | sudo tee -a /etc/X11/Xsession.options' and you are done === siretart wonders why this is not enabled by default [10:18] siretart: because not everyone has a pgp agent [10:18] uh [10:18] key [10:20] not even 1k memory is used.. hmm === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=pef@dyn-83-157-248-200.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] hi [10:30] hi [10:35] siretart: ubuntu's might, but I tend to like keeping things compatible with debian :) [10:40] this is sorta off-topic, but what's the quickest and fastest way to keep track of really simple website statistics? [10:40] on a server that you don't have root access to === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-102-044.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] ajmitch: can you explain me something packaging related, espc. dh_shlibs? [10:54] background: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=276979 [10:55] the binary package HAS a shlibs file, I can see it with dpkg -I. But why is this not sufficient for debhelper to create a versioned depend? [10:55] anyone using OOo on breezy ? [10:55] pef: does OOo2 cound? [10:55] count? [10:56] yes, 2, sorry :) [10:57] siretart, can you confirm me OOo2 has a "qt" look ? [10:57] isn't it a bug ? [11:00]