amulewion: ?12:02
lewionamu, srry wrong channel12:02
amumaybe not at once, maybe hours/days later :D12:02
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gdhhm, here's a question.. since upgrading to breezy, my boot-time mounts in fstab are failing at startup ... e.g. "//eddie/mp3     /mnt/mp3        smbfs   guest,uid=gdh,rw        0       1" .. it's like the network stack isn't initialised yet.. if I do 'sudo mount -a'  they mount fine :/12:16
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amugdh: could you add a comment to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391012:23
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NigeyUKis any1 else here having problems using kopete and the msn plugin?12:25
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gdhamu: eek someone read my mind :)12:26
kkathmanI dont have a prob with msn and kopete..but I dont use it constantly either12:27
NigeyUKhmm, tried 2 different accounts, and googling seems to suggesta known problem, will amsn run on kubuntu instead of using kopete ?12:28
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_alexandrosNigeyUK upgrade your kopete, I had the same problem until I upgrade12:38
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NigeyUKahh, ill try now12:38
_alexandrosit is nice to have all your accounts in one place :)12:39
NigeyUKyup :)12:39
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NigeyUKhmmz, removing kopete to install a new version is gona break stuff according to kynaptic12:39
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alexandrosnope don't remove it12:40
alexandrosare you using kynaptic?12:40
NigeyUKonly sometimes, prefer to use the terminal though12:40
alexandrosjust  do a upgrade packages, then commit changes12:41
NigeyUKah oki12:41
NigeyUKim having such a blonde day today :s12:41
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NigeyUKlike ive been staring at x-chat for 20mins and still not sussed out changing the font size lol12:42
alexandrosyou are using xchat, have you tried konversation?12:43
NigeyUKyer, was using konversation until bout 30mins ago, always prefered xchat though 12:43
NigeyUKah that worked now12:44
NigeyUKcheers :D12:44
alexandroshave you got dvd to playback?12:44
NigeyUK2nd thing i do when i install linux, bugger everything else lol12:45
alexandroscan you help me I am unable to get it to work12:46
alexandrosI have installed the libdvdcss212:46
alexandrosbut no joy12:47
NigeyUKi simply followed the ubuntuguide.org section on dvd playback and xine-ui and it worked first time12:47
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alexandrosyou are using ubuntu?12:48
NigeyUKkubuntu but the dvd part is pretty much generic and works on both kubuntu and ubuntu12:49
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alakhiahi ... does anyone know how to enable direct rendering?12:56
NigeyUKati or nvidia ?12:56
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alakhiano idea ... i have an ibm thinkpad12:57
alakhiahow do i find out which card i have?12:57
NigeyUKtry lspci12:58
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NigeyUKor check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and itll be in there12:58
alakhiathat tells me: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV12:58
gdhmm, rawk :)12:59
NigeyUKSavage 412:59
gdhdirect rendering as in OpenGL / 3D ?12:59
alakhiawhy? no driver support?12:59
gdhI doubt that card has any 3D support worth talking about.12:59
alakhiayup ... i'm using mesa drivers and doing everything in software01:00
alakhiawatching movies is slow!01:00
alakhiaesp full screen01:00
gdhmovies is 2D and the realm of the XVideo extension01:00
gdhnothing to do with OpenGL...01:00
gdhYou should at least get proper overlay support with the savage driver01:00
alakhiaso, why is it so slow01:00
gdhwhat does 'xvinfo' suggest?01:01
gdhlots of info ?01:01
gdhor 'no adapter present' ?01:01
alakhiatells me "Adaptor #0: "Savage Streams Engine"01:01
gdhgoes on for ages to talk about XV_AUTOPAINT_COLOURKEY and all kinds of 'client settable attribute' ?01:02
gdh        guid: 59555932-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b7101:02
gdh        bits per pixel: 1601:02
gdhand so on ?01:02
alakhiagives me 63 lines of output01:02
gdhyeh xv support is present, then01:02
alakhialots of ids with guid, bits, planes, ...01:03
gdhwhat CPU is in the notebook?01:03
NigeyUKhmm dvd being slow..01:03
alakhiabut kaffiene is very slow01:03
NigeyUKcould be dma is not enabled01:03
alakhiawhen I use mplayer, it is fast enuf01:03
gdhand yeh, DMA is the standard response :)01:03
gdhtry 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc' 01:03
gdhassuming hdc is your cd rom drive01:03
alakhiasays dma is off01:04
alakhiaand: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied01:04
gdhthat's standard (and probably a stupid default to have :)01:04
gdhyeh 'sudo hdparm...'01:04
gdhand type YOUR password01:04
alakhiacool, now on01:04
alakhiaok, that's it?01:05
gdhshould be01:05
gdhtry to play another DVD01:05
gdhor the same one :)01:05
gdhI hope breezy puts DMA mode on by default01:05
alakhiayeah, much better01:06
gdhthe number of machines whcih would have problems with it must surely be tiny compared with the number of people who think 'Kubuntu is shit slow at playing DVDs' and throw it in the bin01:06
alakhiathanks guys01:06
gdhcool :)01:06
alakhiado i need to turn on dma everytime i log in or reboot?01:07
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gdhevery time... but you can use /etc/hdparm.conf :)01:07
gdhand that will do it at boot time01:07
NigeyUKdo we get a prize now ?01:07
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alakhiahehehe! Sure!01:08
alakhiawhat would you like?01:08
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alakhiai added "/dev/cdrom { dma = on }" to my conf file01:09
gdhShouldbe fine - watch out for 'Setting disc parameters...' next time you reboot - since that'll be hdparm processig that config file01:11
alakhiasounds neat :)01:12
NigeyUKim very surprised by the amount of howtos and guides on ubuntu and kubuntu01:12
NigeyUKseems even more community supported than fedora01:13
gdhfedora is a pack of RH tossers who can't be bothered learning anything better :)01:13
gdhfull of half-arsed implementation of apt and other Debian stuff01:13
NigeyUKok, java took me bloody ages to instal on here earlier, but its bareable01:13
gdhYeh, the sooner the GNU java compiler is usable, the better01:14
gdhalthough it would be better still if people used C# and .NET / Mono than Java :)01:14
NigeyUKdefinately, was a long dubius process i think some complete newbies may be put off by it01:14
gdhsomething that's fully Free and fully supported already01:14
NigeyUKi like mono01:14
gdhI like it in concept- just having some pain with it at work :)01:15
gdhdeveloping in Visual Studio and making it run on Mono - not quite as fluid as I hoped it'd be.01:15
NigeyUKouch sounds painful01:16
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gdhyou bet - thankfully we have a new guy starting on Tuesday who's done VS, .NET and Mono01:16
gdhso I'm hoping he'll be able to teach me how it all works01:16
NigeyUKahhh, those people are few and far between01:17
gdhYep, supposedly 'one of the top 10 .NET coders in the UK' according to our IT manager01:19
gdh.... yeh.. exactly :)01:19
NigeyUKexpensive to! lol01:19
gdhcynic? me? feh :)01:19
NigeyUKok im still not seeing font settings in xchat .. eh?!01:19
gdhI only use Konversation :)01:20
gdhUsed xchat for a couple of years, and I do remember seeing font settings there...01:20
NigeyUKi may well revert if theyre gonna keep making xchat so it takes an hour to change the sodding font size!01:20
gdhIf you use KDE you might as well keep to KDE apps to keep the look-and-feel uniform01:21
NigeyUKguess so01:21
NigeyUKwont be many apps on here that arent kde apps01:21
NigeyUKi do however like to have fonts that dont give me eyestrain! lol01:21
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alakhiaok ... one more question: how do i suspend my laptop?01:30
alakhiadoing "apm -s" doesn't work01:31
alakhiaand acpi doesn't have anything similar01:31
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alakhiathis is weird: when I changed my shell to tcsh, i couldn't login to kde01:54
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Fenixuna pregunta como configuro la resolucion del monitor ya que solo me aparece disponible en 640x40002:21
Fenixy quisiera colocarlo en 800x600 o en 102402:21
gdhhm, #kubuntu-es, por favor :)02:22
gdhIf you can speak English, we can maybe help :)02:23
gdhProblems with X will affect Ubuntu, too.02:24
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Fenixas I form the resolution of the monitor in kubuntu since single it appears to me in 640x40002:25
gdhWhat kind of video card do you have?02:25
gdhif you don't know, just type 'lspci' in a Konsole ... 02:26
gdhMy guess it's an Intel 865/875.02:26
FenixI have an integrated card is one intel 845 gvr has 64 of video and the monitor is a HP of 14 inches02:27
gdhWould you normally use 800x600 or 1024x768 ?02:28
Fenixin other operating systems I use of 800x600 1024x768 and but high it is with kubuntu that does not allow me but of 640x400 as I form it02:30
gdhOK, I had this problem with my Intel 865 at work.. maybe your 845 has the same problem... I fixed it by doing "sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"02:31
gdhand adding this line to the 'Section "Monitor"'02:31
gdh        HorizSync       30.0 - 80.002:31
gdhthen restart X (/etc/init.d/kdm restart from teh console)02:32
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ikkyshi folks02:37
ikkysis gnome or kde better?02:37
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gdhEnlightenment or XFCE are better than either.02:38
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gdarelHow do I nstall a RPM file?02:38
gdhikkys: Honestly, with a channel called *K*ubuntu, what did you expect the standard response to be? :)02:39
paxikkys: best way to find out is to try both02:39
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paxgdarel: install alien if you dont have it02:40
ikkyshmmm, well, guess have to try myself02:40
ubotuit has been said that alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/02:40
alexandrosuse the alien to convert the rpm todeb02:40
paxikkys: yes, desktops are a matter of personal choice :c)02:41
paxikkys: here's a shot for ya http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png02:43
NigeyUKpax how'd you get the transparent konsole ?02:43
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paxNigeyUK: using konsole?02:44
paxsettings > configure console > shema02:44
paxand chose Transparent Konsole02:44
ManLord----------"application/oclet-stream could not be found"---------- What does this error message mean?? please help, I get it all the time02:45
Rogue_Jedi_XAnyone know if I can make kmail ask me which smtp server to use when I send email messages? I have to SMTP servers set up02:45
gdhRogue_Jedi_X: Click View-> Mail transport when you compose a new mail02:46
paxRogue_Jedi_X: chose the appropriate 'Identity' (assuming you set that up already)02:46
gdhRogue_Jedi_X: That will let you choose the smtp server :)02:46
paxManLord: how do you get that error, konqueror?02:47
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ManLordPax: yes every time i open konqueror or konqueror related things02:48
ManLordPax: like Kontact02:49
paxManLord: just a file association thingy02:50
ManLordhow to fix??02:50
paxManLord: this should fix you up http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/64/2005/06/3/33388602:50
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_johnhey, i have a question about GRUB02:51
_johnI installed Slacware on hdc02:52
_johnbut it isnt appearing in GRUB on bootup02:52
_johnhow do i get it to appear?02:52
paxyou should ask in slack channel, but why don't you just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ;-)02:53
_johni probably should :D02:53
_johnbut where is the slackware channel <_<02:53
_johndo i just do /join slack02:54
paxyes ManLord?02:55
paxI'd appreciate it if you talk to me here in the channel :c)02:55
ManLordhow to write like you do? 02:56
ManLordhere in the channel?02:56
paxwrite what mate?02:56
ManLordit's red when you talk to me, what's the command for that02:56
paxManLord: instead of private messages, I prefer to help you here if I can :)02:56
paxManLord: if you are sing konversation, it just highlights lines with your nickname (red)02:57
ManLordaha.. i did belive it was some sort of /whisper command...02:57
Rogue_Jedi_XCtrl+K and selecting red works too :)02:57
ManLordthanks for the help pax02:58
paxManLor: not at all <- your nick is wrong so this line not red :)02:58
ManLordpax: but when i type "/msg pax msg" isn't the message in this channel?03:01
ManLordor do you get it in another tab?03:01
paxyes I do.03:02
ManLordi see03:02
Rogue_Jedi_XAny idea why Konversation was hogging up almost all CPU time after I left it on for a few days? I had to restart it to work normally again03:06
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arcanistheroguehey, ih ave a question about grub03:14
arcanistheroguehow do i tell which hard drive is /dev/hdd?  like (hd0,0) (hd2,0), which one is /dev/hdd?03:14
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paxI'd use <TAB> and let grub list them then chose the right one03:16
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arcanistheroguepax: how do i do that?03:20
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ManLord My maxtor onetouch external firewire drive doesn't get recognised in ubuntu, only if i select restart. not on a clean boot, there is no sda units popping up when i plug it in03:27
ManLordhelp anyone03:27
arcanistheroguei dunno03:29
arcanistherogueedit /etc/fstab?03:29
arcanistheroguei dont know what you would put though03:29
ManLordi know that part03:29
ManLordbut the problem is that the disk doesn't even get recognized03:29
ManLordonly if i boot, then reboot03:29
gdha firewire device seems very exotic to most users :)03:30
gdhfor whom USB is the norm03:30
ManLord:) i nedd it because of the long cable.. but it's actually an USB2/firewire disc03:31
gdhthe joys of physical constraints =)03:31
ManLordi'll soon buy a cheap computer and connect it to that one, and just access it thru wireless.. hate cables... :)03:33
ManLordand with the coming of the wireless usb hubs i have heard of, it'll soon only be the powercable that's connected.. hehe03:35
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ManLordwhat happening people?03:41
gdhsleep and drunkenness, mostly.03:44
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ManLordwhen is the next kunbuntu being released?03:46
gdhmid october03:46
gdhReleases are squarely YY.MM03:48
gdhBreezy is 05.10, hoary 05.04 (april 05) ...  warty was 04.10 (october 2004)03:48
ManLord4 time a year?03:49
gdhtwice a year :)03:49
ManLordfrom 4.10 to 5.04 and now just 5.10?03:49
gdhYes, the version number is constructed from the year and the month03:50
gdhnothing to do with 'major reelase' and 'minor release'03:50
ManLordaha.. hehe 03:51
ManLorddidn't know03:51
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cfreemanI'm running Kubuntu; I'm trying to run mysql-query-browser, but I'm running into glibc dependency problems (2.3.2 vs 2.3.4)03:57
cfreemanWhen I try "apt-get upgrade glibc", or "apt-get upgrade libc", it simply doesn't find anything03:57
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gdhalthough I doubt you'll find new versions :)03:59
cfreemanQuestion: I believe that I need to upgrade from glibc-2.3.2 to glibc-2.3.4, but apt-get won't easily find 2.3.4. How could I upgrade?03:59
cfreemanAm I stuck building glibc from source?03:59
gdhgood god don't go there04:01
gdhrebuild the package you want under your current environment04:01
cfreemanok. What's broken btw 2.3.2 and 2.3.4? (too numerous to mention?)04:03
gdhI don't understand the question04:03
cfreemanWell, I'm presuming that there's a major compatibility problem between 2.3.2 and 2.3.4. Or am I wrong?04:04
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gdhno, just if you've found a (probably breezy) deb package for mysql-query-browser it'll be expecting a different libc604:04
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gdhyes http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mysql-query-browser seems to back this up04:05
gdhthis is a GTK app - you might have better luck on #ubuntu asking how to backport the breezy 1.1.12 version to hoary.04:06
cfreemanthanks. I get the feeling that I've just found myself in dependency hell. :-) It's a relatively new install. :-)04:06
linuxgeekeryHey guys! What's the X11 Devel package in apt?04:06
gdhyou could always dist-upgrade to breezy :)04:07
gdhthe Big Freeze has already happened so things are much more stable now04:07
cfreemanMy experience is mostly RH, so how would I dist-upgrade to breezy? 04:07
gdhcfreeman: In that case, it's best to wait for breezy release04:08
gdh(mid october)04:08
gdhlinuxgeekery: xlibs-dev ?04:08
cfreemanI'll trudge along the compile-from-source route for now. Thanks for you help.04:08
gdhlinuxgeekery: or x-dev ?04:08
gdhI just did apt-cache search x11 development04:09
linuxgeekerygdh: it's x-dev04:09
cfreemanNext question: how hard would it be to install glib2?04:13
gdhI have no idea what that is04:16
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delltonynot sure where to ask this being moto4lin is a linux software where can you find mods for the motorola phone i'm just wanting to change the retarded default ringtone for the bluetooth04:30
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nicksirZI had to use kdesu kcontrol to unlock admin mode in KDE Control Center, however it isn't working now, it stays locked, can anybody help me?05:37
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nicksirZsudo kcontrol isn't unlocking Control Center05:46
nicksirZplease help05:46
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_alihi what is the locate where all my downloaded packages are stored ? 07:41
_alii mean when i did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ? where are my files stored now ? 07:42
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skyredwhat is linux programming?07:58
arcanistheroguethat can be interpereted in many ways07:59
arcanistherogueprogramming on linx?07:59
arcanistherogueor maybe programming the linux kernel or making your own distro?07:59
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leusHi, How can I get midnight commander?08:37
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kismetcan someone point me in the right direction, i'm trying to get my second monitor working on KDM here08:47
ctwleus: apt-cache search midnight08:47
ctwsudo apt-get install mc08:48
ctwkismet: you need to edit your xorg.conf08:48
ctwdetails depend on your graphics card08:48
kismeti've been trying, but no luck so far08:48
ctwwhen I set up mine, I had some extensive googling to do08:49
ctwwhat graphics card to you have?08:49
kismetnvidia 5900 FX08:49
ctwhere is my xorg.conf08:51
ctwits for the nvidia GeForce MX400008:52
ctwif this doesn't help, try googling for some of the xorg.conf entries08:52
ctwgood luck08:52
kismeti've seen some folks mention XF86Config, but i haven't got that...08:53
ctwyeah, XF86Config is for the XFree x-server08:56
ctwyou've got the x.org x-server08:56
ctwxf86config is to xfree what xorg.conf is to x.org08:56
ctwthe syntax is very similar08:57
ctwxfree is older, but seems to be dying out 08:57
ctwalmost all linux distributions have switched to x.org08:57
Johnny-What is the best laptop for Kubuntu?08:58
Johnny-Is Apple any good? :/08:58
ctwyou might be able to use the same entry that somebody else used in xf86config, but just tell people that you have x.org and not xfree08:59
ctwI've installed ubuntu on an iBook once -- worked great!08:59
ctwI just couldn't get the modem to work right08:59
ctwit was recognized and dialed, but could not establish a connection09:00
Johnny-Hmmm...does Kubuntu support wlan?09:00
ctwit worked fine under OSX09:00
ctwif you get an older (used) Apple it will work, but the new aiport xtreme cards don't work afaik09:00
Johnny-And what wlan card brand is linux supported ?09:00
ctwhp has some laptops that supposedly work very well with ubuntu (they have a special version of ubuntu / special packages for these laptops) ... do a search on ubuntuforums.org09:01
ctwthere is plenty of info on that09:02
ctwyou can always go to a store with a live-cd and try it out ...09:02
ctwI've got to go ... good luck!09:02
Johnny-Okey :)09:03
kismetso then do i reboot, or...?09:05
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hettarJohnny-: The intel ipw2200 wireless cards work well09:14
hettarJust don't get a broadcom wireless card.09:14
Johnny-Ok :D09:17
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bjvi apt-got an nfs deamon, and set up the shared file systems with the gui..10:01
bjvsomething is wrong though, how do i check the configurations of the deamon?10:01
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bjvwell, finding the config was easy enough. :p10:24
bjvit looks:10:24
bjv*(rw,async,all_squash)/ *(async)10:24
bjv/home/minister/lfs/sources/ *(rw,async,all_squash)10:24
bjvbut when i try to mount internalip:/home/blahblah/sources i get a 'permission denied'10:25
bjvwhat else must be set up?10:25
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[czech] milahello10:42
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fatejudgersomehow the windows boot option in GRUB disappeared10:52
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fatejudgerdoes anyone know much about GRUB?10:52
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LaoVhi guys..i'm getting: "Kernel panic - not syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"12:04
LaoVcan anyone pls help12:04
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ChousukeLaoV: Did you compile your own kernel?12:05
LaoVno i did not12:06
Chousukethat message usually means your kernel doesn't support the filesystem12:07
Chousukeor that it's corrupted12:07
LaoVall i did was an update from synaptic12:07
Chousukein the former case it's usually because a newbie configured his own kernel and forgot to inlcude support for the filesystem, or that the initrd file was not loaded.12:07
Chousukedo you use grub or lilo?12:08
Chousukesynaptic should configure grub automatically :/12:09
ChousukeYou might try running sudo update-grub 12:09
LaoVwould that command work if i'm not in bash?12:10
Chousukeany shell will do12:11
LaoVi can't get past the grub though12:12
Chousukeoh, bah12:13
Chousukedoesn't the grub menu show the old kernel?12:13
Chousukepress esc or so12:13
Chousuke... mething when grub loads to bring up the menu if it doesn't show up by default12:14
LaoVit shows only one kernel, one with recovery mode and one memtest12:14
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Chousukecan't remember grub12:15
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LaoVany suggestions?12:16
Chousukewell, you could look at the boot menu options and see what parameters they have12:17
Chousukedo they define initrd etc.12:17
fatejudgerthere is a recovery mode12:17
Chousukeit may not work either.12:17
Chousukeand do they define the boot partition correctly12:17
LaoVroot (hd0,0)12:18
Chousukeok, so that hda112:18
Chousukeany mention of initrd?12:18
LaoVinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-38612:18
Chousukelooks legit.12:18
LaoVkernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-5-38612:19
Chousukewait, hmm...12:19
LaoVroot=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet splash12:19
sorush20I keep getting spam how can I stop IRC spam12:19
Chousukegrub had something about roots12:19
fatejudgerdoes anyone else have a problem with flash having no sound and being really unstable in firefox?12:19
Chousukefatejudger: disable esd12:20
sorush20fatejudger: I have the same problem... 12:20
Chousukenever mind, this is #kubuntu  :P12:20
Chousukedisable artsd :P12:20
fatejudgerwhat is artsd?12:20
Chousukea sound daemon12:20
Chousukeallows sound in many simultaneous programs.12:21
fatejudgerwon't that affect sound in other programs?12:21
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Chousukethe firefox flash plugin completely sucks.12:21
Chousukeit's non-free too, so you can only blame macromedia.12:22
sorush20Chousuke: what flash player do you use12:22
LaoVchousuke: still here :-)12:22
Chousukesorush20: I'm not running #ubuntu12:22
fatejudgernow flash is silent12:22
fatejudgerand is still crashing12:22
fatejudgerthis is fucked up12:22
sorush20Chousuke: what are you running.. 12:23
ChousukeLaoV: is /dev/hdc1 your root? :P12:23
fatejudgerI can't get a single plugin to work correctly in firefox12:23
Chousukesorush20: OS X 12:23
fatejudgerI can't play media12:23
fatejudgerReal Video12:23
fatejudgeror Windows Media12:23
LaoVchousuke: yes...i have not changed anything manually12:23
ChousukeLaoV: Weird. :/12:23
LaoVi've tried it with hda too12:23
ChousukeLaoV: is hda1 your /boot partition? what is your boot partition?12:24
LaoVi don't have a seperate /boot only /=hdc1, /usr=hdc3 and /home=hdc412:25
Chousukeso uh.12:25
Chousukewhy do you have root(hd0,0)? :<12:25
fatejudgerhasn't anybody figured out the whole plugin thing for firefox yet?12:25
sorush20fatejudger: you need to install xine mozilla plugin.. 12:25
Chousukewhat's /dev/hda1?12:26
fatejudgerI hope that's a package12:26
sorush20fatejudger: there is a mplayer plugin for mozilla but it crashes to my experience... just search for it on the xine webiste.. and on the synaptic packages.. 12:26
LaoVisn't hdc1 = hd0,0 in grub12:26
fatejudgerkaffeine-mozilla package?12:27
sorush20fatejudger: kaffeine-mozilla yes.. that uses zine.. 12:27
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ChousukeLaoV: no12:28
Chousukeit's hda112:28
fatejudgerthat package worked12:28
Chousukehdc1 would be hd(2,0)12:28
fatejudgerit's weird though12:28
fatejudgerit just offloads everything to the external program12:28
Chousuke(starts from zero, remember)12:28
nikkiaChousuke: not, necessarily12:28
Chousukeand (hd2,0) even12:28
sorush20fatejudger: you can type my name when you want to talk to me by typing the first few letters of my name and then pressing the tab button.. that will bring up my name like sorush20: and you can wirte to me .. 12:28
fatejudgerthat's pretty cool12:29
Chousukenikkia: well, if you bios settings are correct :P12:29
sorush20fatejudger: did it work.. 12:29
fatejudgerI always thought I had to type it in manually12:29
fatejudgersorush20:  yeah, it did12:29
fatejudgersorush20: thanks12:29
nikkiaChousuke: the hd? ordering in grub on a running system, may not match the ordering at boot time12:29
fatejudgersorush20: I still can't figure out that flash thing12:29
fatejudgersorush20: how are you playing flash in Linux?12:29
nikkiaChousuke: for example, at run time, my boot drive (/dev/sda1) shows up as hd3,0, at boot time, its hd0,012:29
nikkiaChousuke: it has everything to do with the boot sequence of multiple controllers12:29
sorush20fatejudger: I'm trying to work it out my self.. Im sure it will come down to just a single string in a config file about the mozilla flash player.. 12:30
Chousukenikkia: Ok. Well, grub does suck :P12:30
nikkiamy BIOS initialises boot in the sequence SATA, PATA, PATA_promise,  linux initialises them in PATA, PATA_promise, SATA12:30
fatejudgersorush20: well I've tried google it12:30
fatejudgersorush20: I can't seem to find anything helpful12:30
nikkiaChousuke: i had to end up creating 'this_is_sda1' and 'this_is_hde1' files in the roots so i could distinguish them in grub12:30
nikkiasince both hde and sda have 3 partitions, root, swap, home12:31
sorush20fatejudger: I know this can be annoying when you are viewing a flash site that has sound... 12:31
fatejudgersorush20: well a few of them crash on me12:31
fatejudgersorush20: including homestarrunner12:31
Chousukenikkia: freaky12:31
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nikkiaChousuke: it took me close to 3 hours to get grub working after installing the SATA drive (because it was trying to load stage1.5 from the wrong partition)12:32
fatejudgersorush20: are you playing flash in konq or something?12:32
ChousukeLinux is still a bit difficult to fix if you get trouble12:32
nikkiaChousuke: in the end, i had to use a grub boot CD12:32
Chousukenikkia: right.12:33
nikkiaits probably a good idea for everyone to make a grub boot CD :)12:33
sorush20fatejudger: no just mozilla.. 12:33
nikkiait can get you out of some nasty situations12:33
fatejudgersorush20: you mean mozilla doesn't have this problem, but firefox does?12:34
sorush20fatejudger: no I meant firefox.. and yes I have the problem.. too.. 12:34
ChousukeUbuntu is IMHO the best desktop linux distro there is, but I think a couple more releases are needed.12:34
fatejudgersorush20: I get that you have the problem, but how exactly do you have a workaround12:34
nikkiaChousuke: its not bad, but i'm not using it on my desktop :)12:35
fatejudgersorush20: and is this only a problem in kubuntu?12:35
Chousukenikkia: :)12:35
Chousukenikkia: Me neither. I used to, but then my PC broke and I bought a used powerbook12:35
sorush20fatejudger: you mean viewing the flash sites is not a problem.. but I still haven't been able to hear sound form the sites.. 12:35
buzsound it seems to work for me with flash12:36
buzsometimes id prefer it wouldnt12:36
nikkiaChousuke: i switched to LFS because i needed a) cutting edge Gutenprint, b) jack integration at a far lower level than [k] ubuntu's builds allow, c) realtime-lsm  (for jackd)12:36
nikkiathe only distro that comes close to satisfying those requirements, is linspire, and 'no thanks' :)12:36
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Chousukenikkia: hah :D12:37
nikkia(well, ok, i could use a debian base with demudi, perhaps, but that doesn't satisfy gutenprint)12:37
Chousukenikkia: you're a sound pro or something?12:37
nikkiaChousuke: not a pro, but i do music stuff, amateur-ly, yes12:37
Chousukewhat about DeMuDi?12:38
nikkiaChousuke: it would satisfy some of the issues, but still mean the packages wouldn't be built with jack support, and mixing kubuntu with a debian kernel is probably a nightmare waiting to happen12:39
nikkiaChousuke: and it wouldn't satisfy the gutenprint requirement12:39
ChousukeI see.12:39
nikkiaChousuke: i'm not sure how much of stuff like kdelibs DeMuDi provides, either12:40
ChousukeLFS is nice like that.12:40
Chousukecomplete control.12:40
nikkiait might be that it'd satisfy getting jack running, but not necessarily mean i had KDE using jack optimally12:40
fatejudgermore like complete waste of time12:40
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Chousukefatejudger: not for some people12:40
fatejudgermaybe if I was jobless and had oodles of time12:40
Chousukefatejudger: like nikkia12:40
fatejudgerI barely have enough time to fix these stupid issues with firefox12:40
fatejudgerwhere macromedia doesn't find linux important12:40
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fatejudgerand gives out crap plugins12:41
nikkiafatejudger: it took me about 4 hours to get a base LFS installed, another 2 on a seperate day to get KDE working, beyond that I could just set off stuff compiling while I was doing other stuff12:41
nikkiaand getting the base working was a bit multitasked, because i got that running in vmware, then transferred the disk contents over12:41
ChousukeDo you know what I would like?12:42
fatejudgersounds you know what you're doing12:42
fatejudgerunlike me12:42
fatejudgeryou probably just ignore problems12:42
fatejudgerthat bother the hell out of me12:42
fatejudgerno sound in flash12:43
ChousukeThat someone took the Linux kernel, GNU tools, a window manager and GNUStep, made it feature complete and good-looking and created a distro based on that 12:43
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nikkiafatejudger: granted, i've been using linux for 13 years, and in the early days, 'build it yourself' was pretty much the only way, so LFS isn't what i'd call daunting to me12:43
nikkiaChousuke: they did, its called gnustep12:43
Chousukeno Gnome, no KDE, no alternate window managers. just a tightly integrated GNUStep/Linux environment.12:43
Chousukenikkia: It's just not complete :(12:44
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nikkiaChousuke: i have the gnustep livecd here somewhere on my drive12:44
nikkiaChousuke: the deal breaker in your wishlist tho, is 'made it .... good-looking'12:44
nikkiathat's not something that can be applied to GNUstep in any sense atm :)12:44
Chousukewell, someone has made patches and a very nice looking theme.12:45
nikkiareally? about time! :)12:45
Chousukebut you need to recompile it to change the theme :P12:45
nikkiaIMO, GNUstep looks uglier than the original NeXTstep, and thats saying something12:45
Chousukenikkia: it has the potential of looking very good.12:45
nikkiaChousuke: of course it does, OS X is a very nice looking version of NeXTstep :)12:46
Chousukeyes. :)12:46
nikkiaChousuke: but 'potential' doesn't make it look nice *now* :)12:46
ChousukeI'd like if they took out X from linux and replaced it with something better for GNUstep.12:46
Chousukelike Xgl :P12:46
fatejudgerwhy are you guys complaining about distros when you can get Kubuntu?12:46
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nikkiai thoguht Xgl was dead12:46
fatejudgerit's probably the best compromise I've come across so far12:47
ChousukeIt kind of is :/12:47
fatejudgeralmost as fast as slackware12:47
fatejudgereasy to use like suse12:47
Chousukebut someone should revive it(TM)12:47
fatejudgerdebian package system12:47
fatejudgerI mean12:47
Chousukefatejudger: but it has KDE :/12:47
fatejudgerthat's as good as it gets12:47
ChousukeKDE doesn't work for me.12:47
fatejudgerKDE is awesome12:47
Chousukewell, it lacks a feature.12:47
fatejudgerI use Linux BECAUSE of KDE12:47
fatejudgerwhat feature is that?12:47
Chousukeinput modules12:47
nikkiafatejudger: the problem with [k] ubuntu is the same problem as curses all debian based distros - hideously out of date packages in many cases :/12:47
Chousukethey will be in KDE4 though12:47
Chousukeso maybe I'll try it when KDE4 is released.12:48
fatejudgerGentoo then12:48
fatejudgeryou can use that one program12:48
fatejudgerwhat do they call it?12:48
Chousukeinput modules are part of QT12:48
nikkiafatejudger: if you're going to suggest 'checkinstall' then that only works on simple packages12:48
Chousukethe library KDE is based on.12:48
fatejudgerI use checkinstall12:48
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fatejudgerthat's not just for Gentoo12:48
Chousukenikkia: Ubuntu does not have out-of-date packages.12:49
Chousukeit just doesn't have the bleeding edge.12:49
nikkiaChousuke: oh no? check out sqlite3 or kvirc12:49
fatejudgerKubuntu and Ubuntu are identical12:49
nikkiaChousuke: both are OVER A YEAR OLD12:50
fatejudgerthose are stupid packages though12:50
Chousukenikkia: duh.12:50
fatejudgerand you seem to be adept at compiling stuff12:50
fatejudgerso why not12:50
fatejudgercompile stuff12:50
fatejudgerand use checkinstall12:50
fatejudgerand if checkinstall doesn't work12:50
Chousukeubuntu 5.4 is half a year old. :P12:50
fatejudgerwhich is the case for some things12:50
nikkiafatejudger: try replacing gimpprint with gutenprint12:50
fatejudgernikkia: try expanding your sources.list to include universe12:51
nikkiathe only way you can do it, is to break the package system12:51
Chousukenikkia: well, if you need bleeding edge then ubuntu is not for you. 12:51
Chousukenikkia: but 90% of people do not need bleeding edge12:51
fatejudgermore than that12:51
fatejudgerI mean12:51
nikkiabecause gimpprint is a core package that kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop depend on12:51
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fatejudgerwhy do you need stuff that new?12:51
fatejudgerwhy is it THAT inportant?12:51
nikkiafatejudger: because gimpprint doesn't support my printer?12:51
Chousukenikkia: debianise gutenprint and make it provide gimpprint :)12:51
Chousukeentirely possible.12:52
nikkiaChousuke: yeah, thats the only way you could do it12:52
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fatejudgeroh and the Gentoo thing12:52
fatejudgeris called "Emerge"12:52
nikkiaChousuke: but debianising something isn't a quick job12:52
Chousukenikkia: it's not that difficult either.12:52
Chousukedepends on the package of course.12:52
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fatejudgercheckinstall makes things easy12:53
nikkiaChousuke: it can be, if you're talking about something with split binary/lib/dev/doc packages12:53
fatejudgermost packages work with it12:53
Chousukenikkia: perhaps.12:53
fatejudgerwhat the hell do you need all of this stuff for nikkia?12:53
fatejudgerI mean really12:53
fatejudgerwhat do you do12:53
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fatejudgerthat is so important12:53
fatejudgerthat it requires stuff so new12:53
Chousukefatejudger: Don't use that argument now.12:53
nikkiafatejudger: as i said, gimpprint doesn't support my printer12:53
fatejudgerthat you have to take hours out of your day12:53
Chousukenikkia obviously has special needs :)12:53
fatejudgerI don't even know what that is12:54
Chousukeit's drivers for printers12:54
nikkiafatejudger: then you're not in a very good position to tell  me wtf to do, are you ?12:54
fatejudgerI thought that CUPS handled that stuff12:54
ChousukeCUPS needs the drivers.12:54
jatchow can i configure a lcd in kubuntu?12:54
fatejudgerwell then get windows12:54
nikkiafatejudger: CUPS only supports a handful of dot-matrix printers natively, it relies on back-end drivers, which gimpprint (and other packages) provide12:55
fatejudgermy HP 932c works well with it12:55
fatejudgerand I can share it over my network12:55
fatejudgerso I'm happy12:55
nikkiafatejudger: you're probably using gimpprint12:55
fatejudgerI don't use funny printers12:55
fatejudgerthat need bleeding edge drivers12:55
ChousukeEveryone is not you :)12:55
fatejudgerI do use alsa12:55
fatejudgerwhich kind of sucks12:56
fatejudgerI had to do some upgrading12:56
fatejudgerwhich Kubuntu didn't really like12:56
fatejudgerI think I fixed the sound issue in firefox12:56
fatejudgerbut I need to restart to make sure12:56
fatejudgersince the sound got fucked up when I killed that process12:57
fatejudgerthe artsd thing12:57
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ChousukeI just wish every software would just work(TM)12:57
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ChousukeOS X kind of does; though it did crash once for some unknown reason. :| And it's not always as flexible as I would like it to be.12:59
ChousukeBut it's good.12:59
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fatejudgerso my video card wasn't supported by Kubuntu01:00
fatejudgerso I downloaded this driver from NVidia01:00
nikkiaChousuke: it'll never happen when you have x,000 packages provided by different groups all trying to co-exist happily, there will always be some interoperability issues01:00
fatejudgerand now it shows their stupid logo01:00
fatejudgerevery time I boot up01:00
fatejudgerwhat the hell is up with that?01:00
nikkiafatejudger: read the nvidia readme, it tells you how to turn it off01:00
Chousukenikkia: yeah .(01:00
ChousukeBut let us not forget that eye candy makes it all good 01:01
fatejudgernikkia: well that doesn't really help me now01:01
Chousukeanyway, now I'm off. 01:01
fatejudgernikkia: I don't remember the directory01:01
fatejudgernikkia: well all of the docs are01:01
fatejudgerholy crap I'm tired01:02
nikkiafatejudger: you can read it on their website01:02
fatejudgerI found it01:02
Milloxfatejudger: I actually think that logo is good01:03
NigeyUKyou can turn that logo off btw01:03
Milloxmy experience is that showing whether the nvidia driver is loaded or some other is real good01:03
fatejudgeryeah, I know01:03
NigeyUKcause it tells you if the drivers installed properly :P01:04
fatejudgerOption "NoLogo" "boolean"01:04
fatejudgeryeah well01:04
MilloxI've had problems with it that makes everything break, or x to use another driver... which defineately isn't ood01:04
fatejudgermy screensaver tells me that01:04
fatejudgerit lags the fuck out if they aren't01:04
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NigeyUKheh yer, 2fps OpenGL screensavers01:04
nikkiafatejudger: please watch your language, this is a family-friendly channel01:05
MilloxI would like to know if the driver isn't loaded properly before the screensaver kicks in01:05
NigeyUKsame here, i dont see a problem with the logo, its not intrusive and only shows for a few seconds :S01:05
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fatejudgernikkia: right... because all of my little cousins are linux gurus01:07
dv_I am using the kubuntu desktop on a laptop, and theres the "LCD Off" "LCD On" message popping up frequently01:07
nikkiafatejudger: they are the channel rules, not mine01:07
dv_and I cant find out how to disable it01:07
fatejudgernikkia: yeah, I figured that much01:08
fatejudgernikkia: probably some bot that will kick me after a certain number of words01:08
nikkiafatejudger: no, it takes an op to enforce the rules, but you get warned first, like you just did :P01:08
dv_anyone with an idea?01:09
NigeyUKdv_ how do you mean lcd on / off ?01:09
fatejudgerso about that flash sound thing01:12
fatejudgerthere was a topic about it01:12
fatejudgeron linuxquestions.org01:12
fatejudgersomeone said to disable DSP01:12
dv_NigeyUK, "display changed: lcd off" for example01:12
fatejudgerby creating a file called01:12
fatejudgerin the home directory01:13
fatejudgerbut that doesn't seem to work01:13
dv_the forums say something about kmilo, but I cant edit the config file01:13
dv_besides, I wonder if disabling kmilo is harmful01:13
NigeyUKhm il take a look, no used lcd though so prolly better if you ask some1 who has used it01:13
thoreauputic!seen apokryphos01:14
ubotuapokryphos <n=dw@host-87-74-35-180.bulldogdsl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 1d 13h 39m 7s ago, saying: 'ooo family here, be back in a bit. '.01:14
thoreauputicah... family01:15
nikkiathoreauputic: i dunno, he said something about going on holiday, but i'd have imagined he'd have said something first, but you never know01:16
thoreauputicnikkia: not to worry :)01:17
thoreauputicnikkia: how dare he have a life ? *g*01:17
nikkiathoreauputic: i don't think its so much him having a life, as his parents forcing one upon him :P01:18
thoreauputichahah !01:18
thoreauputicno doubt ...01:18
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thoreauputicnikkia: do you have one of these skype thingies?01:19
nikkianope, sorry01:19
fatejudgerI just figured out how to fix the flash thing01:20
fatejudgerthis is the weirdest fix too01:20
fatejudgerartsdsp /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox01:20
fatejudgerthat's how01:20
thoreauputicOK - I'm just playing with it: new toy syndrome...01:20
fatejudgeryou start firefox with that command01:20
fatejudgerand it works01:20
thoreauputicfatejudger: that makes sense actually01:20
fatejudgerthe only problem is01:21
fatejudgerthe sound is off01:21
fatejudgerat least on homestarrunner.com01:22
fatejudgerdoes this mean that I should start firefox with that command from now on?01:22
fatejudgeror is there a different way to do it?01:22
thoreauputicfatejudger: if it works, why not edit the menu/ launcher and add it ?01:22
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fatejudgerthoreauputic: I could01:24
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fatejudgerthoreauputic: I just wanted there to be some internal way to fix it01:25
fatejudgerwithout other programs involved01:25
ailleantsianis there any way to force boot up of my sound ?01:26
thoreauputic*shrug* it's the nix way really, isn't it? connecting one tool to another to achieve your ends...01:26
fatejudgerthoreauputic: I guess so01:26
fatejudgerthoreauputic: seems kind of stupid though01:26
fatejudgerthoreauputic: a bunch of people are talking about some other fix though01:27
fatejudgerthoreauputic: disabling something called DSP in Firefox01:27
fatejudgerthoreauputic: but that doesn't work for me at least01:27
thoreauputicfatejudger: is  ps aux | grep foo stupid ? I don't see the need to dig when you have a working solution, personally01:28
nikkiathoreauputic: pidof foo   is even better :)01:28
thoreauputicnikkia: true, assuming you only want the pid :)01:29
nikkiathoreauputic: true01:29
fatejudgerthoreauputic: it isn't completely working01:29
fatejudgerthoreauputic: like I said before, the sound isn't in sync01:30
nikkiafatejudger: it won't be, it'll be offset by whatever latency your arts config introduces01:30
nikkiawhich by default is, iirc, 232mS01:30
fatejudgerbut it is01:31
fatejudgerI just watched01:31
fatejudgera cartoon01:31
fatejudgerand it isn't in sync01:31
thoreauputicnikkia: heheh - do you just carry those kinds of numbers around in your head ?01:31
fatejudgeryeah seriously01:31
nikkiathoreauputic: yes01:31
nikkiathoreauputic: you'd be surprised how often the 'audio isn't in sync' issue comes up here, actually01:31
fatejudgernikkia: well it isn't01:31
thoreauputicnikkia: you're off the scale on geek points ;)01:32
fatejudgernikkia: try running it yourself01:32
nikkiafatejudger: i just said it won't be in sync01:32
nikkiaits offset by whatever your arts latency is01:32
fatejudgernikkia: oh great01:32
nikkiaeither change arts' config to reduce latency, or live with it01:32
fatejudgernikkia: so there is no way to fix it?01:32
nikkiafatejudger: there are several ways to 'fix' it, each has its own pros and cons01:32
fatejudgernikkia: well if you could just change the latency in the arts config01:33
fatejudgernikkia: why is there even a latency to begin with?01:33
thoreauputicnikkia: but I understand what you mean - I used to be a photographer and could quote all kinds of obscure stats about film development etc01:33
nikkiafatejudger: because arts buffers audio to reduce the chances of audio buffer stalls01:33
fatejudgernikkia: and what exactly are audio buffer stalls?01:34
nikkiathoreauputic: god, i still carry some of those stats - times for developer/fixer for each process, mostly - and i haven't done any darkrroom stuff in 2-3 years :)01:34
nikkiathoreauputic: used to do D76 and C41, so still have those numbers in my head :)01:34
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thoreauputicnikkia: heheh - yeah, I had my own D76 1:1 recipes for each film :)01:35
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nikkiathoreauputic: i only ever used one brand, so wasn't an issue01:35
fatejudgernikkia: google doesn't say anything about these buffer stalls01:36
nikkiafatejudger: in the 'sound system' part of the control center, it shows you how many buffers, and the latency involved,  are assigned01:36
thoreauputicnikkia: my work involved a lot of low light (theatre photography) so I used P3200 T-Max and TMY 400 for publicity shots etc...but this is *way* off-topic ;)01:36
nikkiaand you can change it there too, but less buffers == more chance of a buffer stall == more chance of pops and clicks01:37
nikkiathoreauputic: i always used ilford01:37
nikkia(for D76)01:37
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fatejudgernikkia: can you change the latency in there?01:38
thoreauputicnikkia: Ilford made nice films - but nothing comparable to P3200 at the time01:38
nikkiafatejudger: you can change the number of buffers assigned, which changes latency, yes01:38
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nikkiathoreauputic: at least with D76 you didn't have to worry about temperature so much :)01:39
nikkiathe problem with C41 was always keeping everything at 38C all the time01:40
thoreauputicnikkia: oh, I was a stickler for accuracy - theatre photography is an unforgiving discipline and I needed to standardiseeverything do I could produce results in minimum time01:41
fatejudgernikkia: I see what you mean about advantages and disadvantages01:41
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fatejudgernikkia: it makes these blips every so often01:41
nikkiafatejudger: those are buffer stalls01:41
fatejudgernikkia: yeah01:41
fatejudgernikkia: it still isn't perfectly in sync01:42
nikkiafatejudger: the other solution, is to avoid arts completely, and a) setup dmix, b) wrap firefox direct to alsa instead of via arts01:42
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nikkia(you can still leave arts doing KDE sound via alsa, if dmix is setup right)01:43
nikkiafatejudger: its a software sound mixing feature in alsa01:43
nikkiafatejudger: but its not enabled by default on [k] ubuntu01:43
thoreauputicnikkia: E-6 (transparency) was even less forgiving than C-4101:43
uboturumour has it, dmix is at http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA01:43
nikkiaonce you've done that, if you start firefox using 'aoss' instead of 'artsdsp' then firefox's dsp access will be wrapped to alsa01:44
nikkiawithout dmix though, only one application can use alsa at a time, which means you have to turn off arts (or enable auto-sleep mode for arts, but that doesn't guarentee that arts will be sleeping at the point you start firefox), and you'd be unable to use any other sound program while running firefox01:46
fatejudgerthat sucks01:48
fatejudgerdmix seems to have a buffer too though01:48
fatejudgerso that won't be of any help01:48
thoreauputicfatejudger:  jackd can do minimum latency, but setting it up isn't easy (for me anyway)01:49
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fatejudgerwhy is it so easy to play flash in windows01:50
fatejudgerbut impossible to get this working in linux?01:50
fatejudgerall I want to do is watch homestar and I have to go through all of this crap to get there01:50
fatejudgerI might as well just watch it on my Windows dual boot01:50
thoreauputicfatejudger: macromedia have little interest in linux, I guess01:50
FraeonErr...it doesn't download the Flash plugin on Frefox?01:50
nikkiathoreauputic: i think linspire pushing jackd as the solution to linux audio might end up trickling down to the other distros in 6-12 months01:50
FraeonFirefox, that is...01:51
fatejudgerFraeon: you have to manually install it01:51
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fatejudgerhow does this whole dmix thing work?01:51
nikkiaand low-latency is just one of jack's many advantages :)01:51
fatejudgerI don't know how to start up multiple instances of alsa with it01:51
nikkiafatejudger: you don't, once its configured right, all alsa access goes via dmix automatically01:51
fatejudgerwell maybe in the next version of kubuntu01:51
fatejudgerI'll be fortunately enough to experience it01:52
FraeonThat's awfully weird. Firefox should download it automatically...01:52
FraeonReally, don't know what's the problem.01:52
nikkiafatejudger: be grateful you're using the kubuntu build of firefox01:52
nikkiathe native firefox build from mozilla uses esd for sound access, which means YET MORE buffers :)01:52
fatejudgerI don't see why the video doesn't communicate with the sound stuff01:53
fatejudgerand just01:53
thoreauputicesd needs to die a horrible death 01:53
fatejudgermatch the video to the buffer01:53
nikkiathoreauputic: indeed01:53
fatejudgerI just implemented dmix01:53
fatejudgerhow do I restart stuff01:53
FraeonThis automatic font scaling in KDE on the other hand...01:53
nikkiafatejudger: its not that simple, sadly01:53
nikkiafatejudger: all audio systems need *some* buffers01:53
nikkiabecause you can't transfer data to a sound chip at 1 sample at a time01:54
nikkiajack cheats, and relies mostly on running in priviledged code (realtime-lsm) to achieve higher priority than most other processes, and so can get away with insanely small buffers (3 buffers by default, about 1mS latency)01:54
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nikkiathere is a downside to how jack does that though...01:55
nikkiait means that apps using jack typically also run in realtime priority, which gives them a little more dangerous access to the system01:56
fatejudgernikkia: do I still have to start firefox with that hack?01:56
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fatejudgeror do I start it normally now?01:56
nikkiaits not an issue for pro-audio apps, which is what jack is designed for, but it is an issue if you directly wrap firefox, so you'd typically set up something like arts or esd with very low latency, and outputting to jack (arts/esd would run in priviledged priority, but they're a client-server architecture, so clients would run normally)01:57
nikkiafatejudger: you need to start it with the aoss hack, instead of the artsdsp hack01:57
fatejudgeraoss hack?01:57
fatejudgernikkia: how do I do that?01:58
nikkiafatejudger: instead  of using artsdsp to send dsp access to arts, you use aoss to send dsp access to alsa01:58
nikkiafatejudger: 'aoss firefox'01:58
fatejudgerthat didn't work so well01:58
fatejudgernikkia: it doesn't output sound anymore01:59
fatejudgerI created that file01:59
nikkiathen you probably haven't setup dmix right01:59
fatejudgerand put all of that text in there01:59
fatejudgerit says I needed to restart alsa applications01:59
nikkiafatejudger: did you restart KDE? if arts is still accessing alsa then dmix won't be in use yet02:00
fatejudgerAfter editing these files, you need only to restart the ALSA application(s).02:00
fatejudgeroh ok02:00
fatejudgerso restart my computer02:00
fatejudgerI get it02:00
nikkiano, just KDE02:00
fatejudgerI can't do that02:00
fatejudgerI can either02:00
nikkialog out, and back in02:00
fatejudgerrestart my computer02:00
fatejudgeror log out02:00
fatejudgeroh ok02:00
fatejudgerlog out02:00
ilba7rany one can help with cpy freq scaling?02:00
fatejudgerthat doesn't shut down X02:00
fatejudgerit just goes to that KDE splash screen02:00
fatejudgerwith the login02:00
nikkiafatejudger: shouldn't matter, X itself doesn't do sound02:00
fatejudgerbrb then02:01
nikkiaoops, just realised, i could have walked him thru restarting arts :)02:01
nikkiastill, not a good idea, kubuntu's arts has a 'bug'02:01
nikkiait sometimes locks up the system if you try to restart it :)02:01
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fatejudgernikkia: so all of these times I've been restarting my computer02:02
fatejudgernikkia: I didn't really have to?02:02
nikkiafatejudger: probably02:02
nikkiafatejudger: there's really very little in linux that requires a reboot02:02
nikkiafatejudger: but sometimes, its just easier to reboot than work out how to restart the single thing you need to restart02:02
fatejudgerstill isn't working02:02
fatejudgerI'm gonna try restarting this time02:02
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fatejudgernikkia: well that didn't work02:05
fatejudgernikkia: I guess I'm basically screwed then02:05
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fatejudgernikkia: it says I only needed to set that up02:06
fatejudgerif ALSA didn't support dmix02:07
fatejudgerpredefined dmix plugin by using "plug:dmix" as the virtual ALSA device.02:07
fatejudgerwhat is that?02:08
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yrjoi installed kubuntu today02:23
yrjofirst the display was blank02:24
ilba7rwhat do you mean the dispaly was blank?02:25
yrjoblack display only cursor was blinking02:26
ilba7rit did not load x then02:27
ilba7rthats not right02:27
ilba7rcheck if the cd is defective02:27
fatejudgerno kidding02:27
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ilba7rfatejudger perhaps you can be of better help at least i tried02:27
yrjoi had to disable my ati Rage Pro card first02:28
fatejudgerthat's what I would have told him02:28
ilba7rok i have my own troubles with ubunto now so i leave him in your care02:28
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yrjonow its okay02:28
fatejudgerwhat's okay?02:28
yrjoi am now in kubuntu02:29
fatejudgerso it just took awhile to load then?02:29
yrjoyes i didnt know it takes so long a time02:29
fatejudgerit doesn't02:29
fatejudgerit should be pretty damn fast02:30
fatejudgerwhen I switched from windows02:30
fatejudgerthere wasn't much of a difference02:30
fatejudgerhow long did it end up taking?02:30
fatejudgercould be like a02:30
fatejudgerfirst time boot thing02:30
yrjoabout 5 minutes02:30
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fatejudgerthat's quite a long time02:30
fatejudgeryou running it on some crappy box?02:30
yrjoywes dell optiflex02:31
fatejudgerif it's REALLY crappy02:31
fatejudgerKDE may be too much for it02:31
fatejudgerhow fast is it?02:31
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KWizzardy0, pls what is the address of that repository at acm.cs.edu?02:31
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yrjoi dont know02:32
fatejudger655 isn't THAT bad02:33
fatejudgermaybe it was a first time boot thing02:33
fatejudgeryou don't really have to restart your computer though02:33
fatejudgerso it won't be like you'll have to deal with it02:33
yrjoyes it was fat first boot02:33
fatejudgeryou restarted?02:34
fatejudgerhow fast was it?02:34
yrjofirst it loaded all text then i ended to black display02:35
yrjothen i had to disable ati rage pro in the bios02:35
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fatejudgerso now02:36
KWizzardpls, I need that repo, but cannot find it on google02:36
fatejudgerhow is it?02:36
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fatejudgerwtf do you need the repository for?02:36
fatejudgerthere are tons of them02:36
fatejudgergo download on one of the other ones02:36
KWizzardazureus, for example02:36
yrjoknow it works somehow02:36
fatejudgerwhat about azureus?02:36
KWizzardwant it :D02:36
fatejudgerdownload it02:36
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fatejudgerthat's what I did02:36
fatejudgerKtorrent blows02:37
fatejudgerAzereus is the best02:37
fatejudgeron any OS02:37
fatejudgerthose developers02:37
apokryphosIf you don't mind everything else having to run slow so you can download a few torrents, sure02:37
fatejudgerare seriously talented02:37
KWizzardyep, and there is hoary-extras repo, but I do not know the address02:37
apokryphosand if you always want all the contents of a torrent02:37
fatejudgerit may take up a decent amount of resources02:37
ubotuit has been said that hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted02:37
fatejudgerthe interface02:37
fatejudgerand features02:37
fatejudgerI mean02:37
fatejudgerthey're incomparable02:37
apokryphosfatejudger: no, it takes up *loads* of resources. A silly amount.02:37
apokryphosTry putting in 8 torrents to download02:38
fatejudgerI guess that depends on how you run it too02:38
fatejudgerdid you install the proprietary version of Java?02:38
apokryphosKTorrent is improving at a much faster rate than Azureus, by a long shot.02:38
fatejudgerdid you get the proprietary version of java though?02:38
apokryphosand, the interface, the UI is much cleaner in KTorrent... not sure what you're talking about.02:38
apokryphosme? Yes, of course.02:39
KWizzardwhere is ktorrent?02:39
fatejudgerit shoudl run fine02:39
fatejudgeryou have to dl it02:39
thoreauputicapokryphos: hi :)02:39
ubotuKTorrent is a KDE torrent Client. See: http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/index.php?page=downloads ; Ubu repository: deb http://dinton.no-ip.org/ kubuntu main02:39
apokryphosfatejudger: err, thanks, I know. Fire up azureus, put 8 torrents in, and tell me it's running fine then02:39
apokryphosthoreauputic: heyhey :)02:39
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thoreauputicapokryphos: do you have skype? I'm playing with my new toy...02:40
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apokryphosthoreauputic: Kopete has it, doesn't it?02:40
apokryphosnever really used it though; how is it?02:41
thoreauputicno, skype is a separate thing02:41
thoreauputicit's bloody amazing IMO :)02:41
nikkiaahhh, afternoon apokryphos02:41
apokryphosthoreauputic: ooo, what's good about it?02:42
apokryphosnikkia: allo allo02:42
thoreauputicapokryphos: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free  << /etc/apt/sources.list line02:42
nikkiathought you might have popped off on your holidays without saying bye :P02:42
thoreauputicapokryphos: voice over IP02:42
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apokryphosnikkia: yesterday was the wedding!!!02:43
apokryphosreally really amazing time :)02:43
apokryphosthoreauputic: thanks; trying it now.02:44
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thoreauputicyou can try calling me - search for thoreauputic02:44
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KWizzardI fount it02:44
KWizzarddeb http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted02:44
KWizzarddeb http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted02:44
apokryphosI don't have a [working]  mic :/02:45
apokryphosKWizzard: yes, I did link you to it before.02:45
thoreauputicapokryphos: ah...02:45
thoreauputicapokryphos: that's a pity02:45
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thoreauputicapokryphos: I managed to dig out a cheapy I had lying around ;)02:46
apokryphosHeh. Might have to look for one too later.02:47
apokryphosor maybe just hitting this one we have here hard enough will make it work02:47
thoreauputicapokryphos: if you want to test that you can hear, at least, I can call you: just /msg me your skype name02:47
apokryphosCool. Seem to be downloading from slow sever; only hitting 78 KB/s :P02:48
apokryphosok, installing.02:48
thoreauputicapokryphos: hah - on a goodday I get 5k on dialup !02:48
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apokryphosHm, it's not starting up. No Terminal output too :/02:49
apokryphosoh wait, yes it is :D02:49
thoreauputicgive it time - takes a while to get going :)02:50
apokryphosusername... apokryphos!02:50
thoreauputicOK hang on02:50
apokryphosoop, cousins are back. Will have to go in a sec. ;-)02:51
apokryphospicked up!02:51
apokryphosI sure can ;-)02:51
thoreauputicapokryphos: aha02:51
apokryphoscan I reply through there?02:51
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apokryphosdaimm, it's pretty clear eh?02:52
apokryphosand I can speak faster than I can type :P02:52
fatejudgerapokryphos: ktorrent has no details02:53
fatejudgerapokryphos: you can't look at the details of a file02:53
fatejudgerapokryphos: it's peers02:53
fatejudgerapokryphos: it has no features02:53
thoreauputicapokryphos: got the IM ?02:53
apokryphosyeah, sure itd oesn't.02:53
apokryphosthoreauputic: nope...02:53
fatejudgerapokryphos: well where are they then?02:53
fatejudgerapokryphos: I don't see them02:53
apokryphosthoreauputic: yup02:54
apokryphosthoreauputic: not getting my messages through Skype?02:54
thoreauputicyep got two so far :)02:54
FraeonIck. This is a dumb question...02:55
Fraeon...where do I reset Quanta's settings?02:55
FraeonNever mind. Got it myself.02:57
fatejudgeris there a way to seed for a certain amount of time02:57
fatejudgerbefore shutting off the torrent?02:57
fatejudgerI want to seed some02:57
fatejudgerbut not02:57
fatejudgerto the point where I go over my bandwidth limit02:57
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nikkiafeh, /me stares at her torrent that's seeded 1GB since yesterday :)02:59
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FraeonPHP? Done. 03:21
FraeonOops, wrong channel.03:21
FraeonJust had that set up, though. 03:21
seaLneanyone having problems with koffice in breezy?03:23
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jannovhello guys03:34
jannovi have problem with compiling wine, can i post log here ?03:35
nikkiajannov, no, use a pastebin03:36
nikkiai doubt anyone will want to help tho, wine is in the repositories, and compiling wine by hand has never been easy03:36
jannovcan u explain a little ?03:36
ubotupastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl03:37
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jannovis worth upgrade to latest Kde ?03:45
jannovi posted it, under jannov, if u can please look and give me some help03:46
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jannovnoone can help me ?03:54
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hussamjannov: what do you need help with?03:59
jannovi donno what i can do with one error while compiling03:59
N17R0read the README, u probably missing some libs04:00
N17R0or u some --prefix04:00
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jannov./tools/wineinstall   i trying this, this is some autoinstaller04:01
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p0z3rwhat regenerates the /etc/resolv.conf nameservers file?04:02
p0z3rI've had some difficulty with using my wireless card and getting dhcp to work b/c of it not getting regenerated correctly.04:03
jannovi posted error http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/168404:04
N17R0jannov try: sudo ldconfig04:07
N17R0then try again, I dunno if this helps04:07
nikkiap0z3r: dhclient/dhclient3/pump generates /etc/resolv.conf unless it is told not to04:11
p0z3rnikkia: any reason why using a wifi card would not regenerate those nameservers?04:12
nikkiap0z3r: yes...04:12
nikkiap0z3r: sometimes the dhcp client never succeeds on wifi, for some reason04:13
nikkiausually, i find pump is the most common cause of that, and uninstalling pump/installing dhclient3 fixes it04:13
nikkiaafaik, though, hoary doesn't install pump by default04:13
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p0z3rnikkia: ah, that explains it.  I was using ifup to try to bring up the interface to have it never succeed.04:13
nikkiap0z3r: do a ps -aux and see if the dhcp lookup is still running04:13
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p0z3rnikkia: dhclient3 is running on two interfaces, no dhcp lookup.04:16
nikkiap0z3r: that IS a dhcp lookup04:16
nikkiap0z3r: i didn't say 'dhclient3' because there are at least 3 programs that can do a dhcp lookup :)04:17
p0z3rnikkia: gotcha.04:17
p0z3rwell it's still running.04:17
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nikkiap0z3r: kill them04:17
p0z3rI was just having so many problems with it not auto populated the nameservers and the route.04:17
nikkiap0z3r: thats because those 2 dhclient3's are resetting the files04:18
nikkiakill the outstanding dhclient3's, then try bringing up the interface again - assuming you have it configured right now04:18
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p0z3rnikkia: well I have the laptop working now here b/c I edited the resolv.conf with the nameservers that I use here.04:19
p0z3rso maybe I should just close those services and install pump instead.04:19
nikkiap0z3r: dhclient3 will work fine, once the wifi is configured right04:21
nikkiamost likely, those were left behind from when you had the essid or wep key wrong04:22
p0z3rnikkia: now how to we guarantee that the wifi will be configured right for example if I'm in an airport or a hotel that I don't know anything about the network.04:22
delltonyanyone know the package to download to get all the kde headers?04:23
nikkiap0z3r: you can't, the only option if that is a serious issue, is to not bring the interface up by default04:23
nikkiap0z3r: using pump instead will NOT help you in that situation, in fact, it may make things far worse04:23
p0z3rnikkia: understandable.  so basically any laptop using a wireless card is subject to the same problems I'm having.04:24
nikkiap0z3r: there may be a dhclient3 config option to force it to give up after a specific number of tries, that might be worth having04:24
nikkiap0z3r: yes04:24
nikkiap0z3r: if you need to roam between a lot of base stations that all have different essids/wep keys, you probably will be limited to using kwifimanager to manage the interface04:25
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nikkiap0z3r: using a static configuration for your wifi interface would help there, to a degree04:26
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p0z3rnikkia:  it was occuring between open networks with no wep keys.. I'll just have to 'man dhclient3' to read up on this.04:26
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nikkiap0z3r: ie you define your 'home' config as static, and then dhclient isn't going to get involved if you power-on away from home, but you'd still need to setup the wifi settings with kwifimanager04:26
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p0z3rnikkia: I found kwifimanager to not help very much.04:27
p0z3rI've not upgraded, so maybe that's the problem.04:27
delltonydang this guy has the same exact problem i have is there not a fix for it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=290653#post29065304:27
p0z3rI'm using the 5.04 Kubuntu.04:28
nikkiap0z3r: its going to be your only option... /etc/network/interfaces isn't designed for configurations that change often04:28
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nikkia(it does support the concept of profiles, which can be switched between, but its still not very useful if you're only in an AP's range once :)04:28
p0z3rnikkia: okay, thanks for the insight this morning.04:28
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_jeffhey guys04:40
_jeffim having a problem with ati control04:41
delltonyanyone able to install kde development libs?04:43
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phaleon2hi all 04:43
phaleon2i got a big problem here with kubuntu 5.04 it seems that either Xorg or Xfree server crash in random way 04:46
phaleon2when this is an hour I am on kubuntu it crash , dont know why 04:48
phaleon2I dont think it is the memory cause I got a mandrake on a an other part of the hard drive and it doesnt crash04:49
phaleon2can somebody give some hints ? 04:49
phaleon2I got no error message 04:50
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Chameleon22howdy all05:00
Chameleon22i dont recall the name, but its like wallpaper type of thing, sits on the desktop and shows weather or what ever... anyone remember the name/url?05:00
p0z3rChameleon22: SuperKaramba05:01
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p0z3rand more themes can be found on kdelook.org05:02
Chameleon22p0z3r, i was thinking about gdesklets 05:03
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_alihi anyone using qemu ?05:04
_alii am getting following error05:04
p0z3rChameleon22: ah okay.05:04
_aliXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server05:05
_aliXlib: No protocol specified05:05
_aliCould not initialize SDL - exiting05:05
ubotuI guess qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=105:10
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dazjorzI've got compile problems with PHP05:24
dazjorzcould someone help me with that ...?05:25
thoreauputicany reason why you want to compile php ? there are php packages in the repositories...05:28
dazjorzbecause I've got 2 servers05:28
dazjorzone is the normal, the second is my personal server05:28
dazjorzand I want that to support PHP too05:28
dazjorzand the only way to make that one support php is by doing it like this05:28
thoreauputic!info php405:29
ubotuphp4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB05:29
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dazjorzthoreauputic: .05:29
dazjorzthoreauputic: listen to what I said05:30
dazjorzthoreauputic: I want it to support PHP too05:30
dazjorzthoreauputic: I've got php installed already, for server 105:30
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dazjorzthoreauputic: and, next to that, I want it to support things that can only be supported by compiling05:30
thoreauputicdazjorz: what you said is triumphantly unclear, sorry05:30
dazjorzthoreauputic: What in the sentance of "I want to install PHP a second time for another server, thttpd, and can only do that through compiling" do you not get..>?05:31
thoreauputicdazjorz: *plonk*05:31
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dazjorzthoreauputic: So... What do I do to solve that problem? 05:32
dazjorzthoreaputic: I'm currently doing configure with these vars...:05:32
dazjorz./configure  --prefix=/privateserver --with-thttpd=../../thttpd/thttpd-2.21b/ --with-config-file-path=/privateserver/lib/php --with-zlib --with-bz2 --with-gd=/privateserver/lib --with-ttf=/privateserver --with-mysql --with-mysql-sock=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock --disable-rpath --disable-ipv6 --enable-static --enable-roxen-zts --enable-track-vars --enable-force-cgi-redirect --with-gettext --with-mysql=/usr/bin --with-jpeg-dir=../../thttpd-gd/gd-2.0.33/jpe05:33
dazjorzhttpd-gd/gd-2.0.33/png/libpng-1.2.8 --with-xpm-dir=../../thttpd-gd/gd-2.0.33/xpm/xpm-3.4g/lib --with-freetype-dir=../../thttpd-gd/gd-2.0.33/freetype/freetype-2.1.10 --with-ftp05:33
dazjorzand it gives this05:34
dazjorzchecking for XpmFreeXpmImage in -lXpm... (cached) yes05:34
dazjorzchecking for FreeType 1 support... no - FreeType 2.x is to be used instead05:34
dazjorzconfigure: error: Unable to find gd.h anywhere under /privateserver/lib05:34
dazjorzafter a while05:34
dazjorz......... thoreauputic stay here please05:36
dazjorzthoreauputic: Comon dude05:43
dazjorzstay !05:43
dazjorzI need your help05:43
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dazjorzthoreauputic: ajj comon05:45
thoreauputicdazjorz: I suggest you join #php - I can't really help you : compiling php5 stuff involves things that aren't in Ubuntu as far as I know05:47
stoeptegelamu: did i spoke to you yesterday about my "artifact" prob? i believe that was you right?05:47
stoeptegelamu: just wanted to say that latest build didn't solved the problem05:48
dazjorzthoreaputic: ##php: no answer05:48
dazjorzthoreauputic: could you please go to #ubuntu and unban + -q me05:49
thoreauputicdazjorz: I'm not an op - sorry05:49
dazjorzthoreauputic: then ask someone, for example Seveas...05:49
dazjorzit's been long enough now05:49
thoreauputicwhy were you +q ed?05:50
dazjorzbecause he asked me and Chris to stop talking offtopic, I did, Chris didn't, so I put him on ignore05:50
dazjorzthen I asked twice how to de-ignore him and he +q'ed me for asking that twice05:50
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Jatosjust come back from france05:53
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Jatosand  back to my broadband...05:53
dazjorzwelcome back05:54
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dazjorzstoeptegel ? :S05:56
thoreauputicdazjorz: send Seveaz a memo - his nick is changed I think (not seveas)05:57
dazjorzthoreauputic: Seveas was blocked on the memoserv...05:58
thoreauputic -z not -s05:58
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thoreauputicdazjorz: OK I dropped a line in #ubuntu - I guess it's up to Seveaz now06:01
Tm_Thi kids06:01
dazjorzhi father06:02
dazjorzhi dad ;)06:02
Kamping_Kaiserhi Tm_T06:02
Tm_TKamping_Kaiser: o/06:02
Kamping_Kaiserhavent seen you for a while06:03
dazjorzthoreauputic: i'm still banned. Can't you ask seveaz why i'm still banned ?06:05
thoreauputicdazjorz: he didn't respond, so... maybe he's afk06:06
dazjorzcan you try more when he comes back ?06:06
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thoreauputicdazjorz: I think you are overestimating my influence with the ops ;)06:07
Kamping_Kaiserthoreauputic: why arent you an op?06:07
Kamping_Kaiseryour there when i got to bed and then wehn i log in again :)06:07
thoreauputicKamping_Kaiser: I've applied for Ubuntu membership, but I guess I would need to be invited ;)06:08
Jatosubuntu membership?06:08
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thoreauputicJatos: yes, to become an op you have to be a member first - they decide if you are worthy :)06:09
thoreauputicJatos: contributions to the community etc..06:09
Jatoswhat happens when your a member?06:10
Kamping_Kaiserlol. thoreauputic I'll back you, I'm not a desider thought :)06:10
thoreauputicJatos: I've no idea yet ;) I just got asked to apply...06:10
thoreauputicso I did06:10
Jatosdo you have to be a member to help develop ubuntu?06:11
dazjorzJatos: I guess you get access to all beta's and need to do overwork with developing ubuntu06:11
thoreauputicKamping_Kaiser: I've never been an op, so I have much to learn if they decided to ask me to be one 06:12
Kamping_Kaiserthoreauputic: learn how to ban and your set ;)... mind you, i just worked how to op myself, so i cant talk06:13
thoreauputicJatos: I think you can help with MOTU stuff without being a member first06:13
Kamping_Kaiserafaik you can06:13
delltonyany developers here?06:13
thoreauputicKamping_Kaiser: heh - well xchat has a button that says "ban" - would that do? <j/k>06:14
Tm_TKamping_Kaiser: yeah, I'm occasional Demon ] ;=06:14
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Tm_Tdelltony: ?06:14
delltonyi need the kde developement headers and all06:14
Kamping_Kaiserthoreauputic: lol. 06:15
delltonybut for some reason i can't seem to get them via apt i get dependencies out the butt06:15
Tm_Tdelltony: install kde-devel package06:15
delltonylike libxml2 and libxsomething anyother06:15
delltonywhen i try that06:15
Tm_Thum, breezy?06:15
delltonyDepends: libxml2-dev but it is not going to be installed06:15
delltony Depends: libxslt1-dev but it is not going to be installed06:15
delltonyand no hoary06:15
Jatoswhats motu?06:16
Jatosoh and btw when is breezy going to become the current version06:16
NigeyUKoctoberish i think ... ?06:16
delltonyhopefully it will upgrade easier than warty to hoary did06:17
thoreauputicdazjorz: I don't see you on the #ubuntu ban list06:17
Kamping_KaiserJatos:  oct06:17
delltonyi borked my install 3 times before figurinig it out06:17
delltonythe backports hosed it06:17
NigeyUKi couldnt even install warty06:17
NigeyUKdidnt like the radeon :s06:17
gdhJatos: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU06:17
Kamping_Kaiserjatos, october06:17
delltonywell i even downgraded the backports06:18
Kamping_Kaiser10th month of 0506:18
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delltonybut the apt-get dist-upgrade just totally borked me going to hoary06:18
Jatosoh sorry, I was using my brain then06:18
delltonyso i just installed a clean version of the iso06:18
delltonybut Tm_T any suggestions?06:19
delltonyi can't seem to get that metapackage to install06:19
dazjorzthoreauputic: I'll try again then06:19
dazjorzthoreauputic: #ubuntu - you're banned from that channel06:19
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Tm_Tdelltony: um, sorry no :/06:19
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delltonythats cool thans06:20
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Kamping_Kaiserthoreauputic: are you in Aus?06:22
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thoreauputicKamping_Kaiser: yup06:22
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Kamping_Kaisergo to bed ;)06:23
NigeyUKis there any way to change Flash font settings ?06:23
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Tm_Tyes, modify flash animation06:40
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Auxinhi @ everybody..06:51
Auxinhow do i add a repository from my harddisc ?!06:51
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Auxinyou haven't understood?06:52
Kamping_Kaise1no, sorry06:52
Auxini want to add a source06:52
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Auxinin synatpic06:52
Auxinthis source should be my harddisc..06:52
Auxine.g. /home/~/Deb06:53
Auxinyou understand?06:53
Kamping_kaiseryou have a deb and you want to instal lit?06:53
Kamping_kaiseroh, you have files there?06:53
Kamping_kaiserhow many :)?06:53
Auxinhm at moment not many06:53
Auxinbut soon :)06:53
Kamping_kaiserah :o ok :)06:53
Auxinso i want synaptic to use these files06:53
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Kamping_kaiseri advise against trying to set up a small mirror... it doesnt work :)06:54
Kamping_kaisertry putting the files in /var/cache/apt/archives/06:54
Kamping_kaiserAuxin: yeh, proper mirrors are hard :)06:54
Auxincan't i add a folder in the sources?06:55
Auxina new one..06:56
Auxini can't belive..06:56
Kamping_kaisernot unless I'm very very wrong in *my* understanding of how apt works06:56
Auxini think .. u still havn't understood me.. :D06:57
Auxinfuck its hard to explain in english...06:57
Auxinso one more time.. I've got a folder where my deb's are in... i want to say synaptic to use this folder as a source...06:58
Kamping_kaisermaybe, but watch out, the ops don't like swearing :)06:58
Kamping_kaiserAuxin: i think i understand, and i don't think you can. you can install the debs using dpkg, but not synaptic06:58
Auxinlol ;)06:59
Auxinok 06:59
Kamping_kaiseryou know how to use dpkg ?06:59
Auxinof course..06:59
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Kamping_kaisercool :)07:00
Kamping_kaiserand no of course, not everyone does :P07:00
Auxinbut it might be cooler to use the downloaded deb's with synaptic07:00
Auxinbut if it doesn't work07:00
nikkiaAuxin: the problem is the rest of the infrastructure that you're missing07:00
nikkiaAuxin: ie, the package lists, the distro structure, etc07:01
Auxinof course..07:01
Kamping_kaiseryeh, what she said :)07:01
Auxineverything allright..07:02
Auxinanyway .. thx for helping ;)07:02
Kamping_kaiserhave fun 07:02
Auxinheh one more interesting question..07:03
Auxinwhat to use? wine or a emulator like vmware?07:03
Kamping_kaiserdepends what for07:04
dazjorzis there a program like paint for Linux ?07:04
dazjorzvery easy image painting ?07:04
Tm_Tgimp is easy07:04
Tm_Tit is07:04
nikkiadazjorz: there's a few, KolourPaint is the most obvious07:04
nikkia(as its installed as part of KDE)07:05
jpatrickyeah KolourPaint07:05
dazjorznikkia: Thanks a lot :)07:05
nikkiaTm_T: Krita is more of a PSP equivalent07:05
dazjorznikkia: If I remember good, you don't like to be called dude, so uhm... Thanks a lot, miss :)07:05
nikkiadazjorz: np07:05
Kamping_kaisernight all good luck and have fun07:05
nikkianite Kamping_kaiser07:05
dazjorznikkia: Oooh yes this is exactly what I was looking for !07:05
dazjorznikkia: Wine nor Cedega worked with mspaint.exe07:06
Tm_Tnot yet07:06
Tm_Tbut will be07:06
Tm_TI hope07:06
AuxinKamping_kaiser, wtf.. what time is it   @ u?07:06
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Tm_Tmaybe I've been playing with those apps too long07:06
Kamping_kaiserAuxin: 02:39 am07:06
Auxinoh hell07:06
nikkiaTm_T: well, cloning PSP seems to be the most obvious goal, thats what i was hinting at really07:06
Tm_TI used PSP from 4.x to 9.01 or something07:06
Auxinok good n807:06
Auxin<< 7:06 pm07:06
nikkiaTm_T, given that i can't bear PSP, that means that Krita is a no-go for me :)07:06
Kamping_kaiserAuxin: oh lol07:07
nikkiaas long as they don't mess up the UI on gimp tho, i'm happy :)07:07
Tm_TKamping_kaiser: btw you propably will see me more often here next week, we are installing phoneline&dsl any day now07:07
nikkiaKamping_kaiser: damn it, stop living in weird timezones with *:30 offsets!!07:07
Kamping_kaiserTm_T: cool, and nikkia, lol. sorry ;)07:08
Tm_Tdazjorz: =)07:08
nikkia(NZ i'm guessing)07:08
Tm_Tdazjorz: miss xD07:08
Auxinsihit.. i need sound here...07:08
Tm_Tnikkia: I used to use PSP, but it's not best way to do things...07:09
Auxindo anybody of u know.. if there are some in here who use ppc and kubuntu?07:09
nikkiaTm_T, I always found the MDI interface painful07:09
nikkiaTM_T, part of that might be being used to PS on Macs07:09
nikkia(photoshop is NOT a MDI app natively, despite what people claim when bashing gimp :)07:09
dazjorzTim_T: Nikkia is a woman. Thats why I call her miss instead of dude. It's not a man-to-man joke ;)07:10
Tm_Tgimp is pretty good afterall07:10
dazjorzNikkia: Is it me or does 'woman' sound a bit... uh07:10
Tm_Tdazjorz: yea, but I can still find it amusing07:10
nikkiadazjorz: just you, i think, 'girl' would sound worse :P07:10
dazjorznikkia: Hmm, I think girl sounds a lot more positive then woman...07:11
Tm_Tnikkia: hi girl, wazzup ;) ;)07:11
dazjorzTim_T: That way it sounds like you want to fuck ;)07:11
jpatrickhmm.. pictures have stopped working in Konqueror07:11
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Tm_Tdazjorz: clean your mouth!07:11
dazjorzbut 'woman' sounds like it's something ugly, etc.... strange07:11
Auxinwtf... why is my connection so slow.. :/07:12
dazjorzAuxin: Cuz... your connection is... slow ? ^^07:12
dazjorzAuxin: I made that up whole by myself ! :D07:12
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Tm_Tnikkia: and just kick me when I'm too irritating07:12
nikkiai bet my boss is going to send me these code changes at about midnight, and expect me to integrate them by morning07:12
nikkiaAuxin: language!07:13
Auxin<< has no java..07:13
dazjorzAuxin: java.sun.com07:13
Auxinso azureus can'T work...07:13
dazjorzAuxin: It has an automatic java installer file07:13
dazjorzAuxin: Download the auto .bin file, do chmod +x on it, then run it07:14
dazjorzAuxin: I'm using Azureus myself too, and it works perfect :)07:14
nikkiadazjorz: using make-jpkg would be more sensible07:14
dazjorznikkia: make-jpkg ?07:14
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dazjorznikkia: java package ?07:14
nikkiatakes a java .bin and turns it into a debian package07:14
ubotufrom memory, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java07:15
dazjorznikkia: .........Really? Great, never heard of that ! Though, the .bin file is to be executed, and it works like that, I don't know why someone would want to spend time on converting when it doesn't actually makes any difference in installing....07:15
nikkiaits probably mentioned on there07:15
nikkiadazjorz: it makes it easier to remove it, later07:15
nikkiadazjorz: and makes it easier to upgrade too07:15
dazjorznikkia: Ah, that explains :)07:15
dazjorznikkia: Didn't know about htat.07:15
ubotudazjorz: What?07:15
ubotuNo idea, dazjorz07:16
nikkiait might be called build-jpkg or something07:16
dazjorzubotu, nothing is Nothing.07:16
ubotudazjorz: okay07:16
nikkiaas i said, its probably mentioned on that page :)07:16
jpatrickI think you have to add <info>07:16
ubotu[nothing]  Nothing.07:16
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nikkiaah, its not, they just suggest adding the repositories that contain the java packages :)07:17
nikkiadazjorz: there, read that bit:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions07:17
dazjorzwhat's fakeroot ?07:19
nikkiadazjorz: its a program that fakes root access for some things that think they need to be run as root when they don't really07:19
thoreauputicnikkia: wonderfully concise and circular ;)07:20
nikkiathoreauputic: i don't think its circular07:20
thoreauputicnikkia: OK, just concise then :)07:20
dazjorzthe GD library in PHP is great07:21
dazjorz..just wanted to say that ^^07:21
nikkiadazjorz: ah, you finally figured out why your building wasn't working ? :)07:21
dazjorzI was using an extern GD library07:24
dazjorzsome guys told me, after 30 minutes, that that wasn't a great idea :S07:24
dazjorzbut the PHP site itself links to the GD lib site07:24
dazjorzso... I still don't get why, they don't like telling you why you need to so something on most channels, "just do it"07:25
dazjorzBy the way.... It's odd that a shitload piece of C++ code can create a new language like PHP... that really WORKS like that....07:26
dazjorzDamn, the GD explanation isn't in my PHP book :(07:27
dazjorzso I need to take it off the site07:27
nikkiaiirc, there was/is a project to self-host php07:28
dazjorzI'm self hosting PHP07:28
dazjorzoh you mean the docs ?07:28
dazjorzyeah, they are available for download, and in php.ini you can set where you saved them so that if a function fails, you automatically get a link to that function in the manual !! :)07:29
dazjorzthats very very handy07:29
nikkiano, when talking about languages, self-hosting means the language being written in the language itself07:29
dazjorzbut.... ?? :S07:29
nikkiaso, a C compiler written in C is self-hosting, but, something like PHP being written in C or C++ isn't07:29
dazjorzwhat is the point of self hosting haha07:30
dazjorzI mean, why would you create PHP with PHP07:30
dazjorzthat you create a C compiler in C is only handy when there are more functions etc. in the compiler07:30
nikkiadazjorz: it makes it much easier to port the language to a new environment, and it generally improves the ability to further develop the language07:30
dazjorzlike, a C compiler in another language can compile a little bit of C07:30
dazjorzand then a new C compiler within C, can have more functions07:30
dazjorzbut with PHP, there is no such thing....07:31
nikkiadazjorz: a given language's fans are generally going to be more comfortable programming in that language, if the language can be expressed in itself, then its fans can extend and fix that language better07:31
dazjorzI mean, you can create functions and stuff, but you just make that file and edit something in php.ini and you have all functions in all your files07:31
dazjorzAh yes07:32
dazjorzI think I get what you mean...07:32
nikkiawith languages that don't provide a compiled form, you can sometiimes minimalise the core language, and have a compiler that produces C code for those core functions, then still write the main language/libraries in itself07:33
dazjorzso, you can create a new language that is very much like PHP itself, and the processing and coding happens in PHP again07:33
dazjorzis it possible to create a file, with in that the PHP code and some needed stuff, and the PHP code that you want to be executed ?07:35
dazjorzso that if you execute the file, you need nothing, because it loads PHP and executes the code in it automatically ?07:35
nikkiadazjorz: no idea, probably07:35
dazjorzis it that what you mean ?07:36
dazjorzI think C++ isn't quite comfortable07:36
dazjorzso if you write a PHP "compiler" with code next to it...07:36
dazjorzthat would be incredibly handy07:36
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nikkiaevening apokryphos07:44
jpatrickhello apokryphos 07:44
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apokryphosHola hola =)07:44
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apokryphosCousins/uncle/aunty just left. Little sad :)07:45
apokryphosjpatrick, nikkia: how are both of you fine people? :)07:45
jpatrickNot bad07:45
nikkiafighting with paypal :/07:45
jpatrickKXDocker is working now07:45
apokryphosjpatrick: nice! Whatdu do?07:46
apokryphosnikkia: how come?07:46
nikkiaapokryphos: forgot my password, again07:46
jpatrickThe HD and network icons won't go away :/07:46
nikkiaactually, it would seem i hadn't, but it refused to log me in07:46
jpatricki have to right -> remove from dock every time it starts07:46
apokryphosjpatrick: on the desktop?07:46
nikkiaas the 'change password' function refuses to change TO the password i tried *shrug*07:46
apokryphosit should save the settings...07:47
apokryphosnikkia: it doesn't provide a reason?07:47
jpatrickYeah I change it in Alias options07:47
hussamguys, is there any easy way to scan the system for broken symlinks?07:47
apokryphosthoreauputic: my skype is flashing, in the tray icon... does that mean something>?07:47
nikkiahussam, yeah, the accounting package that runs by default and sends you emails about 'hanging symlinks'07:47
nikkiahussam: i forget its name, but run that manually and it'll tell you07:48
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thoreauputicapokryphos: it means there's an unread message I think07:48
dazjorzApokryphos! Haven't seen you in quite a while07:48
hussamnikkia: I found this in /var/mail/hussam: mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz is a dangling symlink07:48
thoreauputicapokryphos: probably me asking for approval ;)07:48
nikkiahussam, thats the one07:49
apokryphosthoreauputic: ah, so I see.07:49
apokryphosdazjorz: hey :). Yeah, been slightly busy the past few days... my sister just got married. =)07:49
nikkiahussam: those messages are generated by a scanner run by cron.daily, i forget the name of the program tho07:49
dazjorzcongratulations, apokryphos07:49
thoreauputicapokryphos: ah, thank you !07:49
dazjorzit seems like that everyone is marrying these days, btw07:49
hussamnikkia: how would I fix that dangling symlink?07:49
apokryphosthoreauputic: heh, I couldn't bring it up. Of course I'll accept 8)07:50
apokryphosdazjorz: thanks; it was a really really great day :)07:50
nikkiahussam: remove it, and/or point it somewhere valid :)07:50
dazjorzapokryphos: good =)07:50
dazjorzapokryphos: what was it like ?07:50
jpatricknow kxdocker's icon on the sys tray's gone07:50
apokryphosdazjorz: the wedding was around three. Funny seeing how the English respond to the strange customs :P (we're Greek).07:51
apokryphosdazjorz: reception at a Greek bar/tavern later on. Really great; got everyone to get up and do some Greek dancing07:51
apokryphosgood food, great people, happy time. Little more to ask for. 8)07:51
dazjorzand that was ? :)07:51
nikkiaapokryphos: everything greeks do is 'strange' to us, thats why we call strange things 'greek' :)07:51
thoreauputicapokryphos: looks like I have the apokryphos seal of approval - you show green now :)07:51
apokryphosjpatrick: chicken, lamb... great Greek cooking. ;-)07:52
apokryphosdazjorz: nothing really! Haven't seen my cousins in a *long* time, but still got on really well with them. Major plus.07:52
dazjorzwhat is Greek dancing like ?07:52
apokryphosnikkia: it is all Greek to you :P07:52
nikkiaapokryphos: indeed07:52
nikkiaapokryphos: we won't go into the other thing british people call greek :P07:52
apokryphosdazjorz: seemingly synchronized steps from left-to-right. But they never really are, really. :P Good dancing, though; makes social interaction trivial.07:53
apokryphosthoreauputic: sure. :) Gonna look for it in a bit =)07:53
dazjorzapokryphos: I used to learn Greek at school. The teacher still teaches me, but I don't learn anymore ;)07:53
dazjorzapokryphos: That was old-greek, by the way.07:53
apokryphosnikkia: /me ponders... I have no idea07:53
nikkiadazjorz: modern, or classical ?07:53
nikkiaapokryphos: best for /msg07:53
dazjorznikkia : classical ==> old-greek07:54
dazjorzactually <==> or ==07:54
apokryphosdazjorz: ancient Greek, ah -- yes, some schools still do it. I can make out quite a bit of it, but not too much. Kind of comparable to Middle-English to modern07:54
nikkiaas i understand it, the primary reason for teaching classical greek anywhere, is still religious related  - the bible was written in classical greek07:55
dazjorzapokryphos: I'm at a school type in the Netherlands, it's called Gymnasium (and no, that's not the same as a (classical) greek gymnasium, it's the highest type of school that's here) and that's the only type of school that teaches latin and greek too07:55
hussamnikkia: is it safe to remove the file /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz ?07:55
apokryphosnikkia: the Septuagint, yes, but I don't think it's by any means the main reason07:55
nikkiahussam: *shrug*07:56
dazjorzyea, my class sometime wonders why we learn latin and greek... the teachers say "it could be handy in your later career"07:56
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dazjorzhussam: why would you want that ?07:56
nikkiadazjorz: i think thats a subtle way of saying you're all losers that'll end up having to become priests :)07:56
apokryphosnikkia: Greek is a major language, really. Latin pretty much is derived from it, and from Latin comes many others. Needless to say, Greece was a major capital of art, literature etc etc for quite long. Its affect on fields like Philosophy and architecture is still, well, very prevalent. :)07:56
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dazjorznikkia: Uhh... I don't hope so.... ;)07:56
apokryphosThey revolutionized the western world, there's no question about that.07:56
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nikkiaapokryphos: the schools that teach classical greek, all tend to be catholic schools, i'm sure 'religion' is the main reason07:57
dazjorzapokryphos --> nikka: Agreed.07:57
nikkiamost non-private schools gave up on greek decades ago :)07:57
hussamdazjorz: it's a dangling symlink07:57
thoreauputicnikkia: well, some people still translate Homer, and that's hardly "religious" ;)07:57
nikkiaapokryphos: i'm not saying greek has no bearing on linguistics, just that the reason it is taught now, seems to be religious in nature07:57
apokryphosnikkia: correlation doesn't imply causation, for one; though they're not all Catholic, really. :)07:58
dazjorznikkia: As you say, my school was something like a church in the old days....07:58
apokryphosnikkia: erm, when they learn to read Plato and Aristotle in school? Not likely. :)07:58
dazjorzhussam: It's a man page. Shouldn't matter. But, where is it pointing to?07:58
apokryphosnikkia: they don't learn Koine Greek; they learn Classical Greek.07:58
dazjorznikkia & apokryphos: I think the main reason that the gymnasium teaches greek, is that most kids who go to gymnasium, really WANT to learn greek and latin etc.07:59
dazjorznikkia & apokryphos: It's like a rule07:59
hussamdazjorz: to /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz07:59
thoreauputicmost priests/ministers learn New Testament Greek, which isn't classical greek07:59
dazjorznikkia & apokryphos: Also, some careers want you to have the gymnasium diploma, and if you want the gymnasium diploma, you need to have done greek and latin07:59
hussamdazjorz: and /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz itself points to another nonexinsting files08:00
apokryphosthoreauputic: precisely08:00
dazjorzhussam: Allright... It seems to be a manpage, that should be no problem, but why do you want to delete it ?08:00
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thoreauputichmm - apparently New Orleans is about to be hit by a cyclone08:01
hussamdazjorz: because I thought it was not safe to have dangling symlinks, but if it's not a problem, I won't remove it.08:01
thoreauputicHurricane Catrina08:01
dazjorzoooh, i thought you meant cyclope, thoreauputic,... Talking about greek ;)08:02
nikkiahussam, dangling symlinks are a potential security problem, but only 'potential' don't overly worry about them08:02
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dazjorzhussam: It's no problem if a manpage is a dangling symlink. It would be a greater problem if it would be in /bin, /lib, and other important dirs08:02
thoreauputicdazjorz: in most parts of the world hurricanes are now called cyclones08:02
dazjorzhussam: It only becomes a problem when some program really requires you to have that certain manpage, but since it's just a manual page, I don't think that any program will require it...08:03
dazjorzthoreauputic: I made something about hurricanes for geography last year08:03
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nikkiadazjorz: i can actually see one potential problem from a dangling manpage symlink08:03
dazjorzthoreauputic: they're called differently all over the world, like Japan: typhoons, but in America they're still called hurricanes08:04
dazjorznikkia: and that is ?08:04
hussamnikkia, dazjorz : ok thanks for the explanation. I really appreciate your help. :)08:04
jpatrickfood.... brb08:04
dazjorzhussam: no problem, but wait a sec, maybe nikkia's going to say something important08:04
nikkiadazjorz: ie, make the target of the symlink another symlink to /etc/shadow, since the man-db update process is usually run as root, it would index the shadow password file as root, thus succeed in reading it, and then possibly expose passwords via man -k/apropos08:04
thoreauputicdazjorz: right - I was in a tropical cyclone in Fiji some years ago - it's scary stuff08:04
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nikkiadazjorz: its a long shot, but it IS a potential exploit08:05
dazjorzthoreauputic: eek !!...08:05
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dazjorznikkia: Uhh.... I don't get it, but if it is a potential exploit, then maybe it's better if Hussam deletes it08:05
nikkiathoreauputic: i lived thru a cat 3 hurricane when i was in the US, both fun and not-fun at the same time :)08:06
thoreauputicdazjorz: we had hurricane shutters like picket fences - flying coconuts hitting them make rather a loud noise ;)08:06
nikkiadazjorz: depends, putting that second symlink in would probably require root access anyway08:06
thoreauputicnikkia: it's OK if you are prepared08:06
dazjorzthoreauputic: scary...08:06
nikkiadazjorz: but i supppose that could be achieved by another exploit somewhere08:06
dazjorznikkia: lol, if an exploit can do something with root access, then I think it doesn't need to do something like that to get root access, because he already has it....08:07
nikkiathoreauputic: i was prepared... but not quite prepared to see water oaks bent horizontal in the wind :)08:07
nikkiadazjorz: depends08:07
nikkiadazjorz: an exploit may exist that can create a file that doesn't exist, as root, but not read/overwrite a file as root08:07
thoreauputicnikkia: yeah, it's pretty amazing, the force of it - and it sounds like a jet at take off08:07
nikkiadazjorz: i'm not saying its likely, just pointing out a potential problem with assuming 'nah, its only a manpage'08:08
dazjorznikkia: ok...08:08
dazjorzhussam: you'd better delete that file though08:08
dazjorzhussam: it could be exploited08:08
thoreauputicnikkia: we had the leeward windows open to equalise pressure so the roof wouldn't get sucked off :/ 08:09
nikkiathoreauputic: i managed to have to go to hospital because of the hurricane i stayed thru :P08:09
nikkiathoreauputic: for a really really silly reason :)08:09
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nikkiathoreauputic: i stood on a rusty nail while trying to nail boards over the windows 2 days before it hit :P08:10
thoreauputicnikkia: wow - you weren't hurt I hope?08:10
thoreauputicah I see08:10
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hussamdazjorz: I delete both /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz  and /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz ? they are both broken and lead to the same nonexisting file08:11
dazjorzhussam: Yeah, that's a good idea08:11
hussamdazjorz: ok thank you very much08:11
dazjorzhussam: though, only the first file is easily exploited, the second file could be exploited too. It's no problem to delete them08:11
dazjorzi mean, could be used for exploiting08:12
dazjorzhussam: Thank nikkia, she has done the great part of the thinking behind this ;)08:12
hussamnikkia: thanks for the analysis and help :)08:13
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nikkiacooking dinner now, idle for 30 minutes or so08:17
dazjorznikkia: /away08:17
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dazjorznikkia: /away 108:18
jpatrickI'm back08:18
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dazjorzjpatrick: /away 008:20
NigeyUKwhat are "held packages" in kynaptic ?08:20
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jpatrickpackages that aren't going to be install08:21
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NigeyUKahh oki08:21
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manolistacan I conver a 32bit installed kubuntu in a 64bit ubuntu?08:26
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_jeffhey guys08:28
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_jeffim having trouble compiling and installing themes08:28
amamu: you aboot?08:28
apokryphos_jeff: what's the problem08:29
apokryphosMark Shuttleworth is at aKademy -- cool.08:30
amhmm anyone know how i can run the auto-x configure program that is run on installation?08:30
apokryphossudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:31
apokryphos....with a few more options08:31
_jeffapokryphos: whenever i try to install a theme it always fails08:31
amwith a few more options?08:31
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apokryphos_jeff: did you specify the prefix on the configure?08:32
_jeffapokryphos: no08:32
_jeffhow do i?08:32
thoreauputicmanolista: I think the answer would be "no"08:32
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manolistaI hope08:32
apokryphos_jeff: ./configure --prefix=/usr08:33
_jeffill try it08:33
Tm_T--prefix='kdeconfig --prefix' ?08:34
Tm_Tor what it was08:34
thoreauputicapokryphos: prefix=/usr is deprecated for locally compiled stuff afaik08:34
thoreauputic/usr/local is usual08:34
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apokryphosthoreauputic: why compile locally?08:34
apokryphosthoreauputic: why /usr/local? For themes /usr is best; haven't tried to put it in local/, could work...08:35
_jeffapokryphos: it said there was no acceptable c compiler found in $path08:36
thoreauputicapokryphos: hmm - OK - I don't compile themes so...08:36
apokryphos_jeff: sudo aptitude install build-essential08:36
delltonyapokryphos, whats going on man08:37
thoreauputicapokryphos: you may be right since the theme engine needs to be where gnome expects to find it08:37
_jeffapokryphos: ok08:37
apokryphosTm_T: `kde-config --prefix` which is /usr on Kubuntu, yes.08:37
apokryphosthoreauputic: or KDe :P08:37
thoreauputicor KDE indeed08:37
apokryphosdelltony: hi :). All going well -- happy times here. You?08:37
thoreauputicapokryphos: of course, fluxbox doesn't have these problems ;)08:38
delltonyabout the same, hey you wouldn't know how to get kde-devel installed on ubuntu would you?08:38
thoreauputic!start a window manager war08:38
ubotuthoreauputic: Are you on ritalin?08:38
delltonytrying to compile kmobiletools and i need the kde headers08:38
apokryphosdelltony: sudo aptitude install kde-devel08:38
delltonytried hat08:38
delltonyi get the following 08:38
apokryphosthoreauputic: how does it handle themes? :P08:39
delltonykde-devel: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed08:39
delltony             Depends: kdelibs4-dev but it is not going to be installed08:39
delltony             Depends: kdebase-dev but it is not going to be installed08:39
delltony             Depends: libkonq4-dev but it is not going to be installed08:39
thoreauputicapokryphos: they are either a text file or a dir with a text file pointing at it08:39
apokryphosdelltony: hm, that's an old error IIRC. You have 3.4.2?08:39
apokryphosTm_T: just the name of the pack; not kde408:40
delltonyas in kde?08:40
apokryphosthoreauputic: better system, sounds like. I have zero idea how themes in KDE work; compiling ->  bad system.08:40
delltonyi have 3.4.008:40
thoreauputicapokryphos: and it calls them Styles, in the grand tradition of *nix *never* being consistent under any circumstances if it can help it ;-)08:40
apokryphosdelltony: get 3.4.2; I think kde-devel might be in that repo too08:41
thoreauputicapokryphos: you cn write your own Style in fluxbox without too much effort08:41
_jeffapokryphos: i get this error now: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!08:41
delltonyok stupid question how do i upgrade it? i have been doing apt-get upgrade and nothing08:41
apokryphos_jeff: sudo aptitude install libx11-dev08:41
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apokryphosubotu: tell delltony about kde34208:42
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apokryphosdelltony: it should in theory be in backports; 3.5 when it comes out probably will be, I think.08:43
Tm_Tapt-get update && apt-get upgrade08:43
apokryphosdist-upgrade is probably better, IIRC08:43
delltonyok  i didn't have the kubuntu repository08:43
ubotuI guess kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php08:43
delltonydist-upgrade will install breazy will it not08:43
apokryphoshi bazan 08:43
bazanwhat is the difference between univers and offical?08:43
delltonyi dont' want breazy yet08:44
thoreauputicyes, only dist-up[grade will install new packages, as oposed to updates08:44
apokryphosbazan: things in official are supported by Ubuntu. Universe isn't.08:44
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amapokryphos: ok now X is giving me this. AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 008:44
thoreauputicbazan: universe is community supported08:44
apokryphosubotu: tell bazan about components08:44
bazanapokryphos: but univers is done by the same pesone as official?08:44
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apokryphosbazan: not always/exactly. Check the link ubotu just gave you08:45
thoreauputicbazan: universe is done by the MOTU08:45
bazanMOTU ???08:45
bazanwhat is that?08:45
apokryphosdelltony: it won't give you breezy08:45
ubotumotu are the Masters of the Universe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU)08:45
thoreauputicbazan: ^^^08:45
apokryphosam: autodetection apparently failed08:45
delltonydist-upgrade will not? 08:46
delltonyi thought thats how you go from one distro to the next iirc thas how i did warty to hoary08:46
apokryphosdelltony: if you don't add teh breezy repository -- no, never.08:46
delltonyand so forth08:46
thoreauputicdelltony: it only gives you breezy if you change sources08:46
apokryphosYou have to first change your sources.list then dist-upgrade to get to breezy08:46
_jeffapokryphos now i get this error: checking for libz... configure: error: not found.08:47
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bazanhum OK, thanks now it's very clear08:47
apokryphos_jeff: I'm sure you can guess what it means; not really cryptic08:47
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thoreauputic_jeff: 99% of compiling errors like that mean you need a -dev package for a library08:48
_jeffapokryphos: i see 08:48
thoreauputicbut of course 75.87% of statistics are wrong ;-)08:49
_jeffso, what do i do?08:49
thoreauputic_jeff:  apt-cache search libfoo-dev08:49
_jeffim trying to install tibilt theme 08:49
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_jeffi just did it and it just gave me another prompt08:50
Tm_TI love tiblit08:51
_jeffhow do i install it?08:51
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apokryphosthoreauputic: and 70% are made up on the spot :P08:51
LikesLunchHi folks... i'm running (k)ubuntu and gnome apps take forever to start and don't load properly from KDE? gedit takes about 2 minutes to pop up, gnome-calculator doesn't seem to load any buttons, etc.... anybody seen anything like that?08:51
apokryphosnope; still pretty fast here08:51
thoreauputicapokryphos: well, 67.45% of people say so, but 89% of them are wrong as well ;-)08:52
Tm_T_jeff: you propably need to compile t08:52
delltonyok thats good to know08:53
delltonyi didn't realize that08:53
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delltonydamn i was way out of date like 200 upgrades when i added that repository :(08:53
delltonylittle off topic but anyone every bluejack a cellphone i found this application called mobiluck and its a little java applet that lets you send message to other phones without having to do the add contact or callendar trick08:53
_jeffTm_T: how do i compile t?08:54
apokryphos_jeff: I told you how08:54
apokryphosyou just need to get that package08:54
apokryphos_jeff: this place shouldn't be a substitute for putting in a bit of work yourself :P08:54
_jeffapokryphos: i did everything you told me. forgive me but im new08:55
apokryphos_jeff: there was surely a pattern in the errors that I'm sure you picked up :P08:56
apokryphosyou probably want zlib-dev package or something08:56
apokryphos!find zlib08:56
ubotuUbuntu Package Listing of 'zlib' (9 shown): libcompress-zlib-perl ;; libio-zlib-perl ;; libzlib-ruby ;; libzlib-ruby1.6 ;; libzlib-ruby1.8 ;; zlib-bin ;; zlib1g ;; zlib1g-dev ;; zlibc.08:56
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apokryphoszlib1g-dev -- that's it, I imagine.08:56
thoreauputic_jeff: usually source code also comes with some info about what you need to compile it: or the info is on the website somewhere08:56
_jeffthoreauputic: the readme says to install i should: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` [--disable-debug] 09:01
_jeffthen underneath it says: [--enable-final] 09:01
apokryphos`kde-config --prefix` is /usr on Kubuntu09:01
_jeffill try it09:02
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d3cay^lo chann09:13
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apokryphosd3cay^: hi there09:13
d3cay^any1 up to helpin a n00b get firefox installed on a fresh kubuntu install?09:14
Tm_Thi kids09:14
wonganyone know upgrade firefox?09:14
thoreauputicd3cay^: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox09:14
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thoreauputicd3cay^: or use kynaptic09:14
wongwhich way find installer09:14
apokryphosnikkia: hola!09:14
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nikkiagah, i hate that about kvirc09:15
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d3cay^ill give it a shot thoreauputic09:15
nikkiaevery window, except the help browser, closes when you click 'x'09:15
wongthoreauputic is blocking messages from unidentified users. You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user.09:16
wongwhat ??09:16
nikkiathe help window, however, doesn't, clicking 'x' there, closes the current channel window :P09:16
thoreauputicwong: right, I'm +CE09:16
wongopen ur door09:16
thoreauputicwong: there have been a lot of spammer bots lately09:16
thoreauputicwong: it's usual to ask, rather than ordering09:17
wongi can't chat with u 09:17
thoreauputicwong: uh huh09:17
thoreauputicwong: you can in the channel09:17
Tm_The can't09:17
wongwhich way go through find umbrello new version?09:18
Tm_Tnikkia: welcome back :)09:18
nikkiagah, i was outbid on an ebay auction :(09:18
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d3cay^thoreauputic: big thanx 09:19
d3cay^worked like a charm09:19
thoreauputicd3cay^: the wonders of apt-get :)09:19
d3cay^stilll learnin but ya ive been usin that alot09:19
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apokryphoswong: umbrello what?09:20
wongthoreauputic: where   can upgrade firefox?09:20
wongumbrello 3..4.009:20
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apokryphosyes, what about it?09:20
wongit is a UML2.009:20
thoreauputicwong: firefox is the latest version afaik09:20
nikkiaapokryphos: i imagine he wants it, the one in the repositories is probably old :)09:21
wongwhere i can get it09:21
apokryphoswong: the main Kubuntu developer is the author fo Umbrello :)09:21
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thoreauputicwtf is umbrello?09:21
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nikkiathoreauputic: UML modeller/code-generator09:21
thoreauputic!info umbrello09:21
ubotuumbrello: (UML modelling tool and code generator), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1757 kB, Installed size: 4856 kB09:21
thoreauputicah OK09:21
dazjorzI WANT TO GET ACCESS TO #UBUNTU !!!!09:21
thoreauputicnon-coder here...09:21
apokryphoswong: looks like the latest version to me09:21
dazjorzBUT I'm BANNED :(:(:(09:21
nikkiawow, the package is described almost identical to what i said :)09:22
apokryphosdazjorz: please don't shout09:22
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thoreauputicdazjorz: maybe you shouted too much ?09:22
dazjorzapokryphos: but I want to go to #ubuntu soooooooo bad09:22
apokryphosdazjorz: only makes it less hard for people to guess why you were banned :)09:22
dazjorzthoreauputic: I shouted ONE THING, because I needed the answer VERY FAST ...09:22
dazjorzthoreauputic: thats where I got banned for09:22
apokryphosdazjorz: you're shouting NOW09:22
apokryphosplease don't09:22
dazjorzthoreauputic: is that normal ? getting banned for 1 sentance of shouting? Banned for over 2 weeks now ?09:23
thoreauputicdazjorz: well, you don't seem to have learnt from your experience09:23
wonghold on.. anyone know instaler gcc latest 109:23
apokryphosdazjorz: it's not unheard of, by any means.09:23
dazjorzthoreauputic: ........ But I want to go to #ubuntu soooooooooooo much................................................09:23
apokryphosdazjorz: especially if people haven't changed in the meantime :P09:23
thoreauputicwong:  sudo apt-get install build-essential - unless you want gcc409:23
apokryphosdazjorz: ergh. The overuse of punctuation is extremely similar to shouting. Please don't do it. It's spammy09:24
wongthoreauptic: where i can find it >>gcc409:24
thoreauputic_root: erm, any particular reason you are on IRC as root?09:24
dazjorzapokryphos: Ok... But... I still want to go to #ubuntu,... How do I make clear how much I want it09:24
wongizzit online09:24
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apokryphosdazjorz: the amount that you want it is irrelevant09:24
apokryphosyour conduct and behavior is09:25
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apokryphosdazjorz: no, you just said earlier that it was because you were shouting.09:25
d3cay^im off to play some more thanx again thoreauputic09:25
thoreauputicwong: why do you need gcc4 ? But if you need it google could find it I'm sure09:26
wongsry.. i need 2 do some java in eclips09:26
nikkiawong, did you try searching for gcc-4 in the repositories ?09:26
nikkiawong, i suspect not, or else...09:26
nikkia!info gcc-409:26
wongbt can't run application09:26
nikkiahmmm, its there somewhere09:26
nikkia!info gcc-4.009:26
ubotugcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 458 kB, Installed size: 3116 kB09:27
nikkiathere we go09:27
thoreauputicnikkia: aha - didn't know gcc4 was in hoary!09:27
nikkiathoreauputic: its been in there ages09:27
thoreauputicnikkia: I'm sure it has - I just didn't know, so thanks :)09:28
dazjorzbtw. PHP is testing, its at 480 of 72809:28
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dazjorzhey what ASCII sign is ^M09:28
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dazjorzwhat does it do09:28
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dazjorzhe, wat doet die stoeptegel hier09:29
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FraeonTuxracer is discontinued but I heard there was a better version of it out there09:29
nikkiadazjorz: i was 'commenting' on your silly question about ^M09:29
FraeonI just can't remember what it was called09:29
dazjorznikkia: I saw it in the less program09:30
dazjorznikkia: So, what sign is it,09:30
stoeptegeldazjorz: looking for amu being allive09:30
dazjorznikkia: in the less program, I saw a ^M09:30
dazjorzstoeptegel: amu ?09:30
thoreauputic!info tuxracer09:30
ubotutuxracer: (3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.61-6.4 (hoary), Packaged size: 498 kB, Installed size: 992 kB09:30
nikkiadazjorz: yes, i gathered that the first time you said it09:30
dazjorzi'm gonna install that09:30
nikkiaa complete picture of why you're banned in #ubuntu is really beginning to form :P09:31
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apokryphosNot half as fun as here :D09:31
stoeptegeldazjorz: yes he gave me advise yesterday and i want to report te result...09:31
dazjorzstoeptegel: ok09:31
Fraeonapokryphos: Yeah, cause I'm not there ;)09:32
thoreauputic!seen amu09:32
ubotuamu is currently on #kubuntu09:32
FraeonA channel is instantly transformed into a barrelful of laughs when I arrive09:32
apokryphosFraeon: something was missing ;-)09:32
thoreauputicthere you go09:32
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dazjorz!tell amu about are-you-there09:33
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dazjorztry that09:33
apokryphosdazjorz: please don't be annoying. If you want to speak to someone ping them, and wait for a response.09:33
dazjorztry !tell amu about are-you-there09:33
dazjorzapokryphos: Ping them ?09:33
apokryphosdazjorz: i.e. do a X: hi, are you there? ...and nothing more.09:34
Fraeonthoreauputic just proved my point :>09:34
dazjorzapokryphos: when they come back, they won't see that, because it was probably said a looooooooooooooooong time ago09:34
nikkiadazjorz: some of us use irc clients that popup a notification window on whichever desktop we're working on :P09:34
dazjorzKonversation ?09:35
nikkiahell no09:35
dazjorzKonversation only has the option to popup a window when someone says your name09:35
dazjorzwhich means, even when you're currently looking at it09:35
nikkiasome of us use real irc clients :P09:35
apokryphosyou'd have to be gone for *ages* for a message in Kubuntu to no longer show under Konversation09:35
apokryphosi.e. a few days09:35
apokryphosbugging people repeatedly is going to be annoying, not more else.09:36
apokryphosnikkia: some of us use aesthetically pleasing ones, too :D09:36
nikkiaapokryphos: the one i use is just as pleasing, depending on theme in use09:37
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Tm_Tirssi <309:39
FraeonFemaleDogX <309:39
Tm_Tbitchx :/09:40
nikkiakvirc heart 09:41
nikkiano crappy <3 icon needed here :P09:41
thoreauputic!start an IRC client war09:41
ubotuxchat is better than konversation !09:41
FraeonIt would be...if it were done on QT ;>09:42
jpatrickwhat does that <3 mean?09:42
Fraeonjpatrick: less than three09:42
nikkiathoreauputic: ubotu's 'wars' are rarely convincing, he always chooses something like that, or 'vi is better than edlin' :)09:42
thoreauputicnikkia: true enough ;)09:42
nikkiai bet if you tell him to start a browser war, he uses 'firefox is better than telnet port 80' :P09:43
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Xorlevnikkia: Not everyone has that character :P09:43
Fraeon!start a browser war09:43
ubotuFraeon: I give up, what is it?09:43
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thoreauputicnikkia: what's wrong with telnet? /me ducks and runs09:43
Xorlevjpatrick: Either less than three, or a crude heart :P09:43
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nikkiathoreauputic: as a debug tool, not much, tbh09:43
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XorlevWhy use insecure telnet, when you can use SSH?09:44
nikkiaXorlev: because ssh'ing to port 80 doesn't yield much09:44
nikkiaXorlev: context of the conversation is everything!09:44
XorlevTelnet can be useful too at times I admit.09:45
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nikkiaXorlev: its a great debugging tool, i don't install telnetd anymore tho09:46
XorlevCorrection then, telnetd is evil :P09:46
thoreauputic!start a browser war09:46
ubotulynx  is way better than  mozilla  !09:46
XorlevOMGWTFBBQ! Mozilla is so totally better than Pepsi!09:47
thoreauputicfeel free to edit the factoid... *g*09:47
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nikkiaoh no, the lilo fanbois have invaded /.09:47
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XorlevPepperjack is much better than Mozilla ^_^09:47
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nikkiathoreauputic: w3m is better than firefox, now there's one thats actually arguable :)09:48
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nikkia(the 'graphics in an xterm' hack for w3m is genius, IMO)09:49
FraeonHmmm...there's one thing that I hate in KDE09:56
FraeonThe automatic font scaling09:56
FraeonWhen you switch resolutions09:56
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apokryphosnikkia: definitely10:00
apokryphosnikkia: how did the work go? The one you had to do by Friday10:00
nikkiaapokryphos: he'll be well tanked up by now tho, i bet10:00
nikkiaapokryphos: i've spent most of today waiting for my bosses changes to the code :P10:01
nikkiaapokryphos: he said he was going to modify the compensation (stuff that deals with money in/out) part for me, so i didn't need to work on it10:01
chxhow could I tell dhclient not to delete nameserver from resolv.conf?10:01
nikkiaat midnight last night, he emailed me saying it was 'pretty much done, i'll send it tomorrow'10:01
nikkiai'm still waiting :P10:01
nikkiachx, there's an undocumented command in /etc/network/interfaces to add a nameserver to the list, i think its dns-nameservers10:02
apokryphosslcaker indeed!10:02
nikkiachx, failing that, you can switch to a static resolv.conf by telling dhclient not to request the dns values10:02
chxnikkia: I think I'd prefer the latter -- do you know what should I write into dhclient.conf ?10:03
nikkia(or you can even tell dhclient to prepend items to the list it gets back, i think that IS documented, in the manpage for dhclient.conf10:03
nikkiachx, edit the dhclient.conf, and there should be a list of items to request, just remove the one that has dns in it's keyword10:03
chxprepend [ option declaration ]  ; <= that one i saw10:03
chxprepend nameserver
nikkiaprepend domain-name-servers;10:04
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nikkiaapokryphos: i know very well he'll email me the changes at midnight->1am, and expect them integrated tomorrow morning at 9am :P10:05
chxnikkia: thanks10:05
apokryphosnikkia: what, you need sleep? :D10:05
nikkiaapokryphos: i've already said to him that i've made substantial changes to the code that he's altering, and that i plan to hand merge them, i can't just copy his classes over mine10:05
nikkiaapokryphos: well, i certainly don't 'need' a bank holiday, it'd seem, so needing sleep is probably a stretch of the imagination too :)10:06
apokryphosah, tomorrow? Forgot.10:06
nikkiaapparently :)10:07
apokryphosnikkia: do you get lieu days or whatever for your BHs?10:08
nikkiaahahahhaha, no10:08
nikkiaofficially, i'm 'not working' :)10:08
nikkiajust like how officially, i've had every weekend off since may10:09
apokryphosThe company sure would get a mighty blow if you left 8)10:09
nikkiaapokryphos: that'd be why when they were saying that they were going to move office, and i kicked up a fuss about how it was a 'kick in the nuts' (just a phrase) as far as i was concerned, he told me 'we'll do ANYTHING to keep you here'10:10
apokryphosIt all of course makes more sense now, yes. =)10:10
nikkiai don't drive, so its important to me that my office is within walking distance10:10
FraeonYou shouldn't use the phrase "a kick in the nuts" if you don't have any nuts people can kick to. ;(10:10
apokryphosFraeon: why not?10:11
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nikkiaFraeon: in that case, i'm sure we can demand back usage of a lot of phrases that men use when they shouldn't :)10:11
apokryphoseven most English swearwords (or derogatory remarks) are things that are either just weird, or biologically impossible10:11
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nikkiaapokryphos: indeed, i can think of one off the top of my head that fits 'pleasurable' :)10:12
apokryphosones I won't mention in here :D10:13
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FraeonMaybe we should start saying "you bundle of wood!"10:13
nikkiaFraeon: that just annoys squirrels10:13
nikkia(the nuts one)10:13
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FraeonSome may consider me nuts for doing this, but I'm installing IE on Wine10:14
FraeonAgain the nuts came up10:14
nikkia'you spend all summer burying the darned things, then some pesky human goes and makes them taste funny!' (and yes, i'm aware that squirrels don't spend much time burying nuts really)10:14
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nikkia(and i'm also aware that the majority of squirrels around the world don't bury nuts at all :)10:15
FraeonHmmm...fails at 40%10:16
jpatrickapokryphos: is there any way of moving KXDocker to the top of the screen?10:19
FraeonWhat are all the addons people use to get those Mac desktops on KDE?10:20
FraeonKXDocker is one, I heard some use Karamba...10:20
FraeonBut what else?10:20
FraeonOh, and now I can browse the web with IE like 90% of the people10:21
FraeonAlthough I only installed it because a program I need to run on wine needs it10:21
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jpatrickI like KXDocker coz it's fast10:24
apokryphosjpatrick: no, I don't think you can. Docks are pretty much always at the bottom10:24
apokryphosI've only ever used it briefly though; I'd have to try it again to be sure.10:25
apokryphosFraeon: karamba is good for many things10:25
jpatrickThere's an option to move it but it's greyed out >:(10:25
BlissexFraeon: have you got unlimited memory and CPU to spare? then go ahead and ask in #KDE about EYE CANDY! :_)10:25
Tm_Tdon't do it10:26
FraeonIf I had that to spare, I'd be using Vista Beta 110:26
apokryphosBlissex: it's not that bad, really :D. Though it's pretty bad10:26
jpatrickVista :P10:26
Tm_TI keep noose ready for everyone who's asking eyecandy10:26
jpatrickapokryphos: why what would happen?10:27
apokryphosBlissex: doing 30 or so dcop calls a second used to bring at least SK 0.6 (hope I'm remembering the versions here) to its knees10:27
apokryphosjpatrick: SK was/is notorious for being CPU-intensive10:27
Blissexapokryphos: you need to try transparency and shadows then :-)10:27
apokryphosBlissex: tried; though doesn't seem to work with current Xorg10:27
apokryphosannoying, because I wanted to try transparency with just windecs to see how it ran. 10:28
Blissexapokryphos: and perhaps use E 0.17 instead of KWin :-)10:28
Blissexapokryphos: they seem to work here... With KDE 3.4.2, but amazingly slowly (I haven't installed thw accel driver).10:28
apokryphoserm, 0.36 not 0.610:28
apokryphosBlissex: I haven't even tried it without the accel driver :P10:28
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apokryphosnot that I would; I'd imagine it'd be very slow. I hope this issue becoems fixed eventually in Breezy (it's still currently broken)10:29
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nikkiaapokryphos: NeXTstep invented the concept of the dock... and it's dock was .... on the right hand side10:29
apokryphosKDE's old QuickLaunch was actually a semi-dock. 10:30
apokryphosthough I do actually prefer the new hover-over affect (some hate it with passion)10:30
nikkiaapokryphos: see: http://www120.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/intro.htmld/desktop1.gif10:31
apokryphosunfortunate for them; the idea is used much more in kicker in 3.510:31
nikkia(there's actually 2 docks there, in fairness)10:31
apokryphosah, I see.10:31
riddleboxis kubuntu the most up to date debian distro?10:31
apokryphosriddlebox: it's the quickest-kde-updating debian-based distro, if that's what you're asking.10:32
nikkiariddle, depends if there's been a knoppix release recently10:32
riddleboxcan you still use the debian repositories then? or does kubuntu/ubuntu have their own?10:32
apokryphosit has its  own10:33
nikkia[k] ubuntu have their own10:33
riddleboxso are all the packages that are in debian's repositories available then10:33
apokryphosnikkia: read the latest dot article? Shuttleworth doing a talk at aKademy :D. I found that pretty cool10:33
nikkiait would be nice if the packages were more debian-compatible, but that'd probably mean being stuck with Xfree :)10:33
apokryphosriddlebox: pretty much10:33
riddleboxhrmm thanks10:34
nikkiaapokryphos: of course not, i only ever read it when you twist my arm into it :P10:34
apokryphosnikkia: why not -- it's interesting, really! I guess only if you're interested in the world of kde10:35
apokryphosthough it seems to be down again... great.10:35
nikkiaapokryphos: *shrug* its just not something i read on my own volition, don't know why10:35
nikkiai usually find it interesting when i get there, however10:35
nikkiaexcept tonight, cos its not loading :P10:36
apokryphosnikkia: you're more interested in non-DE related stuff; 'cos you're among the old fogies :D10:37
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nikkiai'm working to enslave them and make them my army of the undead to do my bidding!10:38
thoreauputicapokryphos: I resemble that remark! :P10:38
apokryphosnikkia: you're not alone, yes!10:38
apokryphosthoreauputic: you do? But you like fluxbox :D10:38
thoreauputicapokryphos: I'm definitely an old fogie...10:39
nikkiareal old fogies use fvwm and bemoan the fact it isn't 'fast' anymore :P10:39
apokryphosdidn't mean old, age-wise. nikkia here is pretty young; I meant in the world of Linux -- she's been w/ith it for some time 8)10:39
nikkiaapokryphos: i'm not that young :/10:40
thoreauputicapokryphos: :)10:40
apokryphosnikkia: yeah, you are :P10:40
nikkia6 minutes left on an auction and the price just shot up10:40
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apokryphosnikkia: always the way10:40
thoreauputicnikkia: actually real old fogies reminisce about IBM 360s , punch cards and PDP-11 s ;-)10:41
nikkiathoreauputic: Mmmmm, 36-bit goodness10:41
nikkiaTOPS-20 beats all!10:41
apokryphosreal, real old fogies reminisce about the good ol' calculator10:41
nikkiaaltho VMS comes close10:41
thoreauputicapokryphos: calculators? whatever happened to slide rules ?10:42
nikkiathoreauputic: besides, i tend to find that DEC-based old fogies pretty much evenly divide between PDP-8 weenies and PDP-11 fans :)10:42
apokryphosif you ask me, I still prefer the Abacus... don't know why these yougins are comin' out with all this other stuff10:42
apokryphosno need10:42
nikkiaaltho the PDP-10 is better than them both, but we have less loving :(10:42
thoreauputicapokryphos: abacus? You were lucky... we had to count toes and fingers in my day!10:43
EasterSunshineapokryphos: were you the dude that said you installed ubuntu on someone's comp, with an ssh server and remote desktop server?10:43
nikkiathoreauputic: and used base-12 ? *gd&r*10:43
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apokryphossticks with leaves does the job just fine10:44
apokryphosfreakin' stone age10:44
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thoreauputicnikkia: base twelve *and* base twenty - not to mention base 21 for Guineas !10:44
nikkiaso you admit you have 12 fingers and 12 toes ? :)10:45
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thoreauputicnikkia: pounds, shillings and pence!10:45
thoreauputicnikkia: I prefer not to check my toes these days - not a pretty sight ;p10:45
Blissexnikkia: I used to love Twenex10:46
nikkiaBlissex: we all did10:46
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Blissexnikkia: user space paging and all that -- I could cry :-)10:46
nikkiaBlissex: only the heathens liked TOPS-1010:46
nikkiaBlissex: and lets not mention those godless druids and their 8/11s10:47
Blissexnikkia: 11s had their own reason to exist, for the poor masses.10:48
nikkiablissex, indeed10:51
Blissexnikkia: I keep a photo of my favourite 11/34 running 2.9BSD framed on the stand next to my bed :-)10:51
nikkiaBlissex: i never had favorites, just a nice big cluster10:52
jpatrickanyone here know how Katapult works?10:52
nikkiaBlissex: mostly VAXen, but there were a handful of PDPs in there10:52
thoreauputicheh - *nothing* has happened in #ubuntu-devel for over an hour - that's some kind of record10:53
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apokryphosthey must all be at aKademy :D10:54
nikkiaBlissex: i always found that you could tell dedicated VAXen/PDP system admins by 1) how much their total annnual license for the OS was, 2) how low a number their DECnet was :)10:55
nikkiawe were on spur 8 with a vendor ID of 3, iirc10:56
nikkia(which means were were the 3rd UK company to sign up for DECnet :)10:56
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penguinboyhey hey hey11:39
penguinboyanyone here?11:40
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penguinboya question......games is not showing up in my K Menu.....how can I add it?11:40
Tm_Tyeah, keep using "lol" and I'll stick it right back to your arse11:41
penguinboyoh yeah????11:41
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CaedmonGot a bit of an issue.. When KDE started up, it said sound couldn't run because /dev/dsp didn't exist.. Any clue how I could fix this?11:41
Tm_TCaedmon: uhm, nice11:42
penguinboywanna tackle the K Menu prob????11:43
NigeyUKpenguinboy, what games?11:44
penguinboya question......games is not showing up in my K Menu.....how can I add it?11:44
penguinboythe games catefory11:44
NigeyUKyou installed the games package from kynaptic ?11:44
penguinboylike graphics, internet, multimedia, office, system11:44
Tm_Tpenguinboy: try kappfinder11:45
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penguinboythanks Tm_T....kappfinder worked great!!!11:46
CaedmonNo ideas on why /dev/dsp doesn't exist, or how I could fix my sound issue?11:47
NigeyUKCaedmon, what soundcard ?11:48
CaedmonSB Audigy 211:49
NigeyUKah.. www.ubuntuforums.org theres a big sticky there related to the audigy 211:49
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