=== rbelem_ [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== rbelem [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== rbelem___ [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== dePOLL is now known as depoll
=== rbelem [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== dand [n=dand@83.103.205.136]  has joined #launchpad
=== Lovechild [n=dnielsen@love-sources/Lovechild]  has joined #launchpad
=== rbelem [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== rbelem_ [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== SnakeBite [n=SnakeBit@84.242.143.64]  has joined #launchpad
=== kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br]  has joined #launchpad
=== Alinux [n=Ubuntu@p54A394E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de]  has joined #launchpad
=== stub [n=stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au]  has joined #launchpad
=== rbelem_ is now known as rbelem-zzz
=== robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net]  has joined #launchpad
=== lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-129.129.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au]  has joined #launchpad
=== robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net]  has joined #launchpad
[09:09] <Burgundavia> ok, that is an odd error
[09:09] <Burgundavia> when I click on any page, it forces me to login again
[09:09] <Burgundavia> hmm, nev mind
[09:28] <Virtuall> :)
[09:29] <lifeless> lamont-away: pong
[09:29] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: pong
=== superted [n=superted@213.167.101.222]  has joined #launchpad
=== spiv [n=andrew@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au]  has joined #launchpad
[10:48] <BjornT> lifeless: pqm seems to have hung
=== robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-247-170-119.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net]  has joined #launchpad
[11:12] <robotgeek> hi
[11:13] <robotgeek> launchpad says this bug "https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1138" is fixed, but maybe it's not?
[11:32] <SteveA> how do you mean?
[11:32] <SteveA> do you mean that someone has marked it as fixed, but it isn't really fixed?
[11:32] <robotgeek> SteveA: i get the same error, i filed a new bug. is that okay?
[11:32] <SteveA> or do you mean that no one has marked it as fixed, but launchpad is wrongly saying it is fixed
[11:32] <robotgeek> it says fixed
[11:33] <SteveA> i see that
[11:33] <SteveA> what i'm trying to find out is, are you saying that launchpad is working incorrectly?
[11:33] <robotgeek> no, i am saying that someone marked it as wrongly fixed
[11:33] <SteveA> or are you saying that the package in ubuntu Universe is still broken although it has been marked fixed
[11:33] <SteveA> okay
[11:34] <robotgeek> so, it was okay to file a new bug, right?
[11:34] <SteveA> i'm afraid the wrong people are on this channel to talk about that with you
[11:34] <SteveA> you'll want to talk about it on #ubuntu-devel i think
[11:34] <robotgeek> SteveA: oh okay, sorry!
[11:34] <SteveA> no worries
[11:34] <robotgeek> SteveA: so u guys made launchpad :) cool
[11:35] <SteveA> yep, this is the channel for launchpad users and developers to talk about developing launchpad itself
[11:35] <robotgeek> SteveA: okay. me off to ubuntu-devel now. thanks, and sorry abt that!
[11:36] <SteveA> good luck
=== jamesh [n=james@203-59-251-126.dyn.iinet.net.au]  has joined #launchpad
[11:36] <SteveA> hi james
[11:36] <jamesh> hi
[11:36] <SteveA> did you hear about the mess with the gettext validation checks?
[11:37] <jamesh> no
[11:37] <SteveA> okay
=== robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-247-170-119.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net]  has left #launchpad [] 
[11:37] <SteveA> well, it turns out that the library you wrapped for use in python has these validation checks
[11:37] <jamesh> yeah
[11:37] <SteveA> but the program that creates .mo files has its very own validation checks
[11:38] <SteveA> and these are different
[11:38] <jamesh> they would be different versions of the same code
[11:38] <SteveA> they do different things, anyway
[11:38] <SteveA> because this caused the langpack generation to fail
[11:38] <SteveA> until some fixing up of data had been done -- trailing whitespace checks iiuc
[11:39] <SteveA> i was wondering if you can look into the differences in what the mo generation program does, and what your library does
[11:39] <SteveA> and see if it is feasible to improve what is wrapped
[11:39] <jamesh> the pygettextpo code is using the gettext-0.14.2 code, because that was the first version of gettext that exposed the desired API
[11:39] <SteveA> rather than us duplicate stuff in python
[11:39] <SteveA> carlos and kiko know the full story 
[11:40] <jamesh> the copy of msgfmt would be from gettext-0.14.1 (what is packaged in hoary)
[11:40] <jamesh> Once breazy is rolled out onto the servers, I was planning on updating pygettextpo to not use its own copy of the code, and just dynamically link against the libgettextpo library
[11:41] <jamesh> which would ensure that Rosetta's checks match the gettext command line utilities
[11:41] <SteveA> it seems there are still some checks missing from the library, though
[11:41] <SteveA> but, that sounds like a good thing
[11:41] <SteveA> can you mail the launchpad list saying what you're thinking of?
[11:41] <SteveA> this will keep kiko and carlos in the loop
[11:42] <SteveA> unfortunately, this has been a big deal, as it has delayed the 1.0 launch of rosetta
[11:43] <jamesh> one option would be to not perform the validity checks when producing .mo files, since the checks have theoretically been done already
[11:44] <SteveA> that would also have produced poor quality langpacks in this case
[11:45] <jamesh> actually, the trailing white space checks probably aren't handled by the check_format() method, since it just does format string checks
[11:46] <jamesh> I'll see if I can find the where the whitespace check is done
=== Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com]  has joined #launchpad
=== bradb-away [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca]  has joined #launchpad
=== dand [n=dand@83.103.205.136]  has joined #launchpad
=== robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net]  has joined #launchpad
=== ddaa [n=ddaa@ordo.xlii.org]  has joined #launchpad
=== lisi [n=Ubuntu@p54A38BC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de]  has joined #launchpad
=== sd-tux [i=sd@2001:4ca0:0:fe00:0:0:a96:3f18]  has joined #launchpad
=== Alinux [n=Ubuntu@p54A38BC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de]  has joined #launchpad
[08:06] <cprov> lifeless: ping, is PQM has hung again ? (or still being ...)
[09:03] <kiko> yeah, it's hung.
[09:04] <kiko> jamesh, I think the whitespace check is done in msgfmt itself.
[09:17] <cprov> kiko: hi duderino
[09:19] <kiko> hey man
[09:19] <kiko> how's england?
[09:22] <cprov> kiko: most of england saw til now is related to airport, train and debian UK life, prety good ;)
=== cprov needs more powerrrr (chorus: why are we power-slaves ?)
=== Beurself [i=beurself@217.144.12.150]  has joined #launchpad
[09:39] <kiko> heh
=== Seveas [n=seveas@82-217-144-53.cable.quicknet.nl]  has joined #launchpad
=== SnakeBite [n=SnakeBit@84.242.143.64]  has joined #launchpad
=== Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st]  has joined #launchpad
=== ddaa [n=ddaa@ordo.xlii.org]  has left #launchpad [] 
=== tvon [n=tvon@dsl093-056-214.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net]  has joined #launchpad
[11:49] <tvon> Is Malone usable as a projects primary bug tracker or is it intended only for downstream use?
[11:53] <kiko> tvon, it's designed for both, and we'd very much appreciate new upstreams using it
[11:53] <tvon> ah, lovely
[11:54] <kiko> tvon, if you have any questions or need help setting up, let me know
[11:54] <tvon> I just happen to be looking for a place to keep bugs
[11:54] <tvon> kiko: thanks
[11:54] <kiko> enjoy