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| HiddenWolf | lol, ntpdate is broken. | 12:04 |
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| jtan325 | hi. how do you do a cvs diff between the most recent previous version, and current version, without knowing the actual version numbers? is this even possible? | 12:05 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, anything I can do for you short of reinstalling my system again? | 12:06 |
| crimsun | hoary->colony3 would help | 12:07 |
| HiddenWolf | I'll consider, but not now. It's past midnight. | 12:08 |
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| crimsun | sure | 12:08 |
| HiddenWolf | The audigy2 never worked under hoary anyway. There was that bug in 1.06 (I think) | 12:09 |
| tseng | it worked for me | 12:10 |
| tseng | or is that audigy1 | 12:10 |
| rob^ | hey is dbus working at the moment? | 12:10 |
| tseng | i have a few | 12:10 |
| HiddenWolf | I had an audigy2 that didn't, and an audigy1 that did work. | 12:10 |
| tseng | right now whatever i have in my desktop doesnt work in breezy | 12:10 |
| tseng | after a clean reinstall | 12:10 |
| tseng | did before | 12:10 |
| crimsun | tseng: model # from lspci -v? | 12:12 |
| tseng | crimsun: um | 12:12 |
| tseng | crimsun: its 2 hours away presently | 12:12 |
| crimsun | tseng: k, whenever you get to it | 12:12 |
| rob^ | I guess not? | 12:12 |
| tseng | crimsun: k. | 12:12 |
| crimsun | rob^: it seems to work her | 12:12 |
| crimsun | e | 12:12 |
| HiddenWolf | Breezy seems to be pretty broken :S | 12:12 |
| tseng | not really | 12:12 |
| rob^ | crimsun, ok thanks | 12:12 |
| crimsun | (just updated ~20 mins ago) | 12:13 |
| tseng | you are too late for "pretty broken" | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | rightmouse in nautilus and try to create a new file | 12:13 |
| tseng | WFM | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | error: "not on the same filesystem"' | 12:13 |
| rob^ | yeah mines broken to | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | ntp has a failure in name resolution during boot, despite it being pingable. | 12:14 |
| HiddenWolf | rhythmbox crashes as soon as it's launched. | 12:15 |
| HiddenWolf | evo has 2 different icons under internet and office. | 12:15 |
| HiddenWolf | and I could list a few more. ;) | 12:15 |
| tseng | those are all pretty minor, comparatively | 12:16 |
| tseng | you missed out on all the ROFFLECOPTER X IS TEH B0RK!!1 | 12:16 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng, second stage installer hanging without a warning on server install is one. | 12:16 |
| tseng | or more recently most of gnome crashing at random | 12:16 |
| HiddenWolf | (doesn't prompt for cdrom when it needs it) | 12:17 |
| tseng | HiddenWolf: on laptop-mode or so? | 12:17 |
| HiddenWolf | *chuckle* | 12:17 |
| tseng | seen that | 12:17 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng, yup, libdiscover and friends. | 12:17 |
| tseng | is there a bug #? | 12:17 |
| HiddenWolf | I filed one. | 12:17 |
| tseng | cheers. | 12:17 |
| tseng | i have 10 more boxes to build, that would get annoying | 12:17 |
| HiddenWolf | It doesn't hang on a desktop-install. | 12:18 |
| tseng | whats the bug # please | 12:18 |
| HiddenWolf | #14225 | 12:18 |
| tseng | thanks. | 12:19 |
| HiddenWolf | 14228 is also fun. :) | 12:19 |
| slomo | HiddenWolf: well rhythmbox crashes for me too while starting ;) | 12:20 |
| HiddenWolf | and tseng: I had to miss the fun. My harddrive just got back from RMA. | 12:22 |
| tseng | hm great | 12:22 |
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| restrex | are the X working on breezy right now? or.. don't upgrade! ? | 12:24 |
| crimsun | X Window System works here | 12:24 |
| restrex | ok crimsun thanks :) | 12:26 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, should I file a bug about that snd_bt87x module not loading for me? | 12:26 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: hotplug/udev aren't my area, but it may be a good idea | 12:26 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, who deals with udev? | 12:27 |
| crimsun | hmm, maybe pitti? | 12:28 |
| HiddenWolf | hm, well. I should be to bed. :) | 12:34 |
| HiddenWolf | hope you can figure out that bug crimson. :) | 12:34 |
| restrex | heh, I was killed on a chilean irc for being unix user, that's cool | 12:35 |
| restrex | 18:33 -!- You were killed by DeserT [~DeserT@netadmin.irc.cl] [vaya a jugar con virus, no me importa su unix.] [Path: VTR!IRCops!netadmin.irc.cl!DeserT] | 12:35 |
| rob^ | irc.cl? | 12:36 |
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| restrex | go play with you virus, Unix doesn't matter to me | 12:37 |
| HiddenWolf | how rude. :P | 12:37 |
| restrex | I just was saying them that leave windows :) | 12:37 |
| restrex | rob^: yes, chilean irc | 12:38 |
| rob^ | whats the server address? | 12:40 |
| restrex | irc.cl | 12:41 |
| restrex | I think they run unix, 'cause they have opened a ssh port | 12:41 |
| rob^ | hmm didn't work the first time | 12:41 |
| restrex | 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds <- but they have these kind of m$ port opened too :/ | 12:42 |
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| restrex | Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at www.irc.cl Port 80 | 12:43 |
| restrex | heh | 12:43 |
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| rob^ | oops I got booted from#chile | 12:53 |
| restrex | rob^: heheh what? | 12:55 |
| rob^ | (y pa esa wea te pgan internet ?) | 12:56 |
| rob^ | whatever that means | 12:56 |
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| restrex | rob^ wuaha! | 12:58 |
| rob^ | care to translate? my spanish isn't so good.. | 12:58 |
| restrex | that means: ... for that shit you pay internet= | 12:58 |
| restrex | that means: ... for that shit you pay internet? | 12:58 |
| restrex | xD | 12:58 |
| rob^ | I thought it was something like that | 12:58 |
| restrex | rob^: what did you say there? | 12:59 |
| mpt | Are Chileans violently pro-Windows or something? | 01:07 |
| rob^ | something like that | 01:08 |
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| ryanthiessen | mpt: you planning to update your great ubuntu UI list for breezy? | 01:12 |
| rob^ | oops now they banned me.. | 01:14 |
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| jdub | oh man | 02:14 |
| jdub | dude turns up on ubuntu-devel knowing how to sort out the ppc64 iso foo | 02:15 |
| jdub | that's brilliant | 02:15 |
| tseng | yeah i liked that | 02:15 |
| tseng | nice timing though | 02:15 |
| mjg59 | Cocking Dell. | 02:16 |
| jdub | good morning cocking lovers! | 02:17 |
| tseng | i was eating, even | 02:18 |
| jdub | "The first Live-CD based on Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has appeared. Its name is Ging (for Ging Is Not Ging) and it includes a GNOME 2.10 desktop, Abiword, and a complete toolchain with gcc 4.0." | 02:18 |
| jdub | cool | 02:18 |
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| Lathiat | jdub: yeh | 02:19 |
| Lathiat | It stands for "Ging Is Not Ging". It is, to my knowledge, the | 02:19 |
| Lathiat | first recursive acronym with an implicit contradiction. | 02:19 |
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| mjg59 | You'd think something as simple as "Not breaking when someone presses the lid switch" would be within Dell's capatbilities | 02:20 |
| mjg59 | But no! | 02:20 |
| tseng | mjg59: works on my 600m | 02:21 |
| tseng | mjg59: what kind of cockery are you speaking of? | 02:21 |
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| === luis_ presses mjg59's lid switch | ||
| mjg59 | Instead it generates two video eventsplus the lid open event, and DOESN'T SWITCH THE BACKLIGHT ON | 02:21 |
| jdub | palindromic recursive acronym! | 02:21 |
| mpt | ryanthiessen: yes. | 02:22 |
| tseng | "hannah is a palindrom" | 02:22 |
| mjg59 | Thanks, Dell. Thdell. | 02:22 |
| Lathiat | mjg59: what hardawre is this? | 02:31 |
| mjg59 | D610, but one with Intel graphics | 02:32 |
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| jdub | infinity: still there? | 02:58 |
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| jdub | In the stock Debian configuration, | 03:36 |
| jdub | xrdb is called by gdm as part of the default session (three times), and | 03:36 |
| jdub | then again by gnome-settings-daemon. | 03:36 |
| jdub | ha ha | 03:36 |
| tseng | jdub: its good to be sure | 03:36 |
| luis_ | cpp, baaaaabye | 03:36 |
| === jdub checks for -nocpp, given that we don't need it | ||
| jdub | nup | 03:40 |
| Mitario | is elmo the only one who can give MOTUs upload privileges? | 03:41 |
| jdub | Mitario: yep, believe so | 03:41 |
| Mitario | hmm, okay | 03:41 |
| jdub | he controls the keyring | 03:41 |
| Mitario | ok | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | And the vertical | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | And the horizontal | 03:44 |
| jdub | ha ha | 03:46 |
| jdub | ha ha ha | 03:46 |
| === jdub smiles | ||
| jdub | mjg59: are you quoting uhf? | 03:47 |
| tgall | jdub, hey ya | 03:47 |
| jdub | whoa, dude | 03:47 |
| jdub | howdy :-) | 03:47 |
| jdub | tgall: your timing is impeccable | 03:47 |
| tgall | jdub, perfect timing! | 03:48 |
| jdub | i got the 710 a few days back | 03:48 |
| jdub | it's sitting on my coffee table | 03:48 |
| tgall | jdub, cool ... how did you score one of those ? | 03:48 |
| jdub | it needs some serious ubuntu anti-depressants | 03:48 |
| tgall | heh .. well no worries .. I know how to get it a rollin | 03:48 |
| jdub | local solutions company got ibm to give them one for us | 03:48 |
| tseng | tgall: hi | 03:48 |
| tgall | jdub, great | 03:49 |
| tgall | tseng, greetings | 03:49 |
| jdub | ah, i see from tgall's channels list that you two have background ;) | 03:49 |
| jdub | so is it in the cd build, or yaboot configuration? | 03:49 |
| tseng | `fg` | 03:49 |
| tgall | jdub, both! | 03:49 |
| jdub | d'oh! :) | 03:49 |
| tgall | jdub, and the console gets a little fun to setup | 03:49 |
| tgall | depending if you're running in a partition or not | 03:50 |
| jdub | oh right | 03:50 |
| tgall | so first things first! | 03:50 |
| jdub | i don't have an HMC to test | 03:50 |
| jdub | can i set up partitions in the hmc web thingy? | 03:50 |
| tgall | well no biggie .. I've got access to hardware a plenty | 03:50 |
| tgall | umm yes you should be able to ... tho I haven't don't it personally but I'm fairly certain you can | 03:50 |
| tgall | s/don't/done/ | 03:51 |
| jdub | (not that firefox can talk to it - will have to plug in my windows box) | 03:51 |
| tgall | hmm firefox should work | 03:51 |
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| tseng | ogra! | 03:51 |
| jdub | it can't negotiate a cipher to use | 03:51 |
| tgall | jdub, anyway .. so to get a IBM chrp / hpa box to boot off of cd we need to put a little magic on the cd | 03:52 |
| tgall | in gentoo land we build isos so they can boot on pmac and ibm .. no reason why ubuntu can't either! | 03:52 |
| jdub | bonus | 03:53 |
| tgall | yeah .. that's kinda my background .. I run the ppc64 port in gentoo land .. but don't hold it against me! | 03:53 |
| tseng | you are safe as long as you convert immediately | 03:53 |
| jdub | haha | 03:53 |
| jdub | tseng: you survived :) | 03:54 |
| tseng | and sacrifice a virgin at the shrine of dpkg | 03:54 |
| tgall | tseng, I'm sure there are DNA fixing technologies to allow such things | 03:54 |
| jdub | tgall: actually, we found a method that doesn't involve in-place genetic modification | 03:54 |
| tgall | tseng, well my 4 way 604e box still runs debian .. I never converted it to gentoo | 03:54 |
| tseng | :) | 03:54 |
| tgall | jdub, does it involve beer ? | 03:54 |
| jdub | tgall: we're building a screensaver that downloads build logs and displays them, while pegging the CPU | 03:55 |
| jdub | ;-) | 03:55 |
| tgall | heh | 03:55 |
| tgall | jdub, ok so boot on chrp | 03:55 |
| tgall | (and this holds for both 32 and 64 bit ibm systems) | 03:55 |
| jdub | handy | 03:55 |
| tgall | this boxes all look for a file named ppc/bootinfo.txt | 03:55 |
| tseng | jdub: there is an apt-emerge or something that does exactly that | 03:56 |
| tgall | so assuming no one ever blasts their boot-device in open firmware it will look for that path on the cdrom | 03:56 |
| tgall | bootinfo.txt is a bootscript of sorts and if you like i can just dcc you one | 03:56 |
| tgall | waaaaay to much to dump here | 03:56 |
| jdub | i'll check the one on the opensuse cd | 03:57 |
| tgall | sure that works too | 03:57 |
| tgall | o wait .. do they have ppc support in opensuse yet ? | 03:57 |
| jdub | yeah | 03:57 |
| tgall | I didn't think they had started that effort yet | 03:57 |
| jdub | well, they've always had it internally | 03:57 |
| jdub | they've just started pushing it public | 03:58 |
| tgall | kudos to olaf and matze! | 03:58 |
| tgall | yes so grab that | 03:58 |
| tgall | inside the bootinfo.txt you'll see the following line | 03:58 |
| tgall | <boot-script>boot &device;:1,\ppc\chrp\yaboot</boot-script> | 03:58 |
| tgall | you can guess what that does :-) | 03:58 |
| jdub | haha, just opened one here | 03:59 |
| tgall | now .. one difference you might or might not have here is do you run addnote over your yaboot binary ? | 03:59 |
| jdub | xml boot scripts! brilliant! | 03:59 |
| jdub | hrm, dunno - addnote? | 03:59 |
| tgall | you need that on ppc64 boxen | 03:59 |
| jdub | ah, thus suse | 03:59 |
| jdub | ah, thus suse's yaboot.ibm | 03:59 |
| tseng | jdub: its extensible to a web service | 03:59 |
| tgall | basically throws a small header on the front | 03:59 |
| tgall | so I suspect you'll have two yaboots .. | 04:00 |
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| tgall | but they can both read the same /etc/yaboot.conf file | 04:00 |
| jdub | yep | 04:00 |
| jdub | yaboot and yaboot.ibm | 04:00 |
| tgall | ok .. so the next bit of trivia is the various consoles | 04:00 |
| jdub | oh, and it has image[64bit] yada in it | 04:01 |
| tgall | so like on a js20 powerblade, they use console=hvc0 | 04:01 |
| tgall | the as far as pseries goes, you've got ttyS0 or hvc0 or hvsi0! | 04:02 |
| tgall | that also covers new iseries as well | 04:02 |
| jdub | hrm | 04:02 |
| tgall | jdub, o and do you need the xserv magic as well ? | 04:02 |
| jdub | so suse don't seem to pass console params in yaboot.cnf | 04:03 |
| tgall | they might have something built into their kernel to figure it out | 04:03 |
| tgall | kernel.org kernels don't have that | 04:03 |
| tgall | :-/ | 04:03 |
| jdub | oh | 04:04 |
| jdub | so, X magic? | 04:04 |
| === jdub couldn't get the X in his hoary chroot to run | ||
| jdub | couldn't find the device, even though it was quite happy with the mga driver | 04:04 |
| tgall | console=ttyS0,57600n1 <-- that's for xServ | 04:04 |
| tgall | jdub, ah .. so you have the matrox card at least | 04:04 |
| jdub | yeah | 04:05 |
| tgall | jdub, on ppc64 hardware there aren't much for graphics solutions and with no agp ... it's slim pickins | 04:05 |
| jdub | oh, maybe i should try the breezy xorg | 04:05 |
| tgall | xorg and mga does work tho | 04:05 |
| tgall | least it does as a 64 bit binary .. but it should work 32 bit | 04:06 |
| jdub | so the detection works fine | 04:06 |
| tgall | you MIGHT need one kernel param tho depending on what level of kernel you have | 04:06 |
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| jdub | but trying to run it, the mga driver can't find a device | 04:06 |
| jdub | oh | 04:06 |
| jdub | heh | 04:06 |
| tgall | yeah for a long long time the memory detection on the cards has been mega screwed up | 04:06 |
| tgall | kernel just needs to be slapped | 04:07 |
| tgall | I think ianr submitted the correct kernel code upstream .. if he didn't tho, I have the patch for that | 04:07 |
| jdub | ok, so have to find suse patches for console detection and X memory foo :) | 04:07 |
| tgall | umm let me fire up my power3 box .. half a mo | 04:07 |
| tgall_foo | guess i'll chat from here for a sec | 04:08 |
| tgall_foo | jdub, so any idea which matrox card you have? | 04:11 |
| jdub | g400 | 04:12 |
| tseng | arent you fancy | 04:12 |
| tgall_foo | jdub, I have a GXT130P so yeah you're a 135P then | 04:12 |
| tgall_foo | you might be ok .. | 04:12 |
| tgall_foo | for the 130 series you definitely need video=matroxfb:1280x1024@60,memtype:3 | 04:13 |
| tgall_foo | basically sets up the cards other 6 meg | 04:13 |
| jdub | aha | 04:13 |
| tgall_foo | if you don't do that, then xorg tries to run thinking it has 8 megs of memory in only 2 | 04:13 |
| jdub | i will try it in a minute (710 takes a while to boot...) | 04:13 |
| tgall_foo | and you get a big screen of angry fruit salad | 04:14 |
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| tgall | tseng, jdub : do either of you have pointers to the tools and such that you use to build isos ? ... (tseng : least assuming there's something similiar to catalyst) | 04:17 |
| jdub | debian-cd | 04:18 |
| jdub | but i think ours is pretty thoroughly hacked up | 04:18 |
| tgall | ah .. | 04:18 |
| tseng | tgall: ive not built an install cd | 04:19 |
| tseng | tgall: we have some pretty decent community docs on livecd building | 04:19 |
| luis_ | he means 'most excellent' | 04:19 |
| luis_ | :) | 04:19 |
| tgall | cool just what I need .. as you might imagine I'm a bit interested walking down that road | 04:19 |
| tseng | it doesnt smoke crack like catalyst | 04:20 |
| tseng | but its more manual | 04:20 |
| tseng | the gist is you get an old iso, unpack it somewhere, edit, repackage | 04:20 |
| tgall | heh ... yeah catalyst requires the stroking of other people's ego so they will share the magic ... | 04:20 |
| tseng | meh | 04:20 |
| tgall | aweful way to run a project | 04:20 |
| tseng | i wrote a wrapper script | 04:20 |
| luis_ | we're all about the wiki love here | 04:20 |
| tseng | to the supposed end all wrapper | 04:21 |
| jdub | tseng: hrm, that's not how the cd builds themselves work | 04:21 |
| === tgall loves wiki love | ||
| tseng | jdub: LiveCDCustomizationHowtoForLife(LessThenThreeLuisVilla4) | 04:21 |
| jdub | but that's post-build | 04:21 |
| tseng | indeed. | 04:21 |
| tseng | is the real process documented outside the d-i cabal? | 04:22 |
| === tgall just hopes it documented | ||
| jdub | debian-cd is around somewhere | 04:23 |
| jdub | unfortunately kamion isn't here | 04:23 |
| tgall | hmm so any suggestions as far jury rigging the installer from a chroot since obvious the install cd isn't feeling well yet ? | 04:23 |
| jdub | he would be the most useful person to speak to about all of this | 04:23 |
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| Mitario | byebye everyone nite | 04:48 |
| jdub | night Mitario | 04:48 |
| Mitario | that evil BBB slipped my sight! | 04:48 |
| === Mitario hopes elmo is awake tomorrow :) | ||
| tgall | there ... on the motu candidate list now .... | 04:54 |
| jdub | tgall: rock! | 04:58 |
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| jdub | tgall: awesomely fast i/o subsystem on these things | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | what a sucky weekend | 06:06 |
| tgall | jdub, yes very! | 06:08 |
| rob^ | has anyone else had problems with the nvidia drivers in the breezy repos? | 06:13 |
| === jdub installs the breezy powerpc64 kernel | ||
| jdub | rob^: such as? | 06:14 |
| rob^ | I have them installed and lsmod shows they are loaded | 06:15 |
| rob^ | but 3d is painfully slow still | 06:15 |
| jdub | you're definitely using the nvidia driver? | 06:15 |
| rob^ | yes | 06:15 |
| rob^ | its in xorg.conf, the logo shows up on startup | 06:16 |
| jdub | hmm | 06:17 |
| jdub | daniels will know | 06:17 |
| crimsun | what does glxinfo|grep ^direct say? | 06:17 |
| rob^ | direct rendering: Yes | 06:17 |
| crimsun | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status -> #flood | 06:18 |
| rob^ | done | 06:19 |
| rob^ | don't you have to remove Load "GLcore" from xorg.conf? | 06:19 |
| crimsun | that should have been done by nvidia-glx-config | 06:20 |
| rob^ | hmm seems it wasnt | 06:20 |
| rob^ | brb I'll remove it and see what happens | 06:21 |
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| rob^ | yep, thats all it was | 06:23 |
| crimsun | k, b.u.c. time | 06:23 |
| rob^ | I removed Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" | 06:24 |
| rob^ | k thanks | 06:24 |
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| tgall | s/jdub/hopes jdub | 06:24 |
| jdub | oh sweet baby jebus | 06:33 |
| jdub | how do i remove langpacks without regenerating locales? | 06:33 |
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| tgall | well night ... | 06:46 |
| jdub | gute nacht! | 06:48 |
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| LaserLine | Is there a tool for checking BAD SECTORS on the hard drive ? | 06:51 |
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| jdub | LaserLine: badblocks | 06:53 |
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| pcmanlin | who can tell me whether unionfs will be used in breezy-livecd? | 08:53 |
| pcmanlin | just be used in breezy-livecd, about install cd? | 08:54 |
| fabbione | pcmanlin: no | 09:00 |
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| fabbione | unionfs is terribly unstable | 09:00 |
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| Burgundavia | ogra, you seen this? It is a Fedora SoC project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pootypedia/ | 09:18 |
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| Mithrandir | elmo: could you please sync mercurial? | 09:45 |
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| sivang | morning all | 10:41 |
| HiddenWolf | morning | 10:41 |
| frans-th | afternoon here :P | 10:42 |
| Treenaks | hey sivang | 10:42 |
| sivang | hey Treenaks , hows the laptop testing going? | 10:43 |
| Treenaks | sivang: very well | 10:44 |
| sivang | main uploading people - anybody for reviwing my pkg and upload it? | 10:44 |
| Treenaks | I love the 1920x1200 res :) | 10:44 |
| sivang | Treenaks: you managed to get over that annoying kbd layout ? :) | 10:44 |
| Treenaks | hard to live without it on my old laptop | 10:44 |
| Treenaks | yeah.. still getting used to it, but I'll manage ;) | 10:44 |
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| frans-th | i use my NEC m540, wide screen, ubuntu know it well :) without any driver, except the sllink modem, 1280x800 :) | 10:49 |
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| hunger | My laptop (IBM T43p) seems somewhat more stable now... I switched to a homemade 2.6.13-rc7 kernel and the new ATI proprietary drivers. | 10:55 |
| hunger | The latter seem to make a difference... but the first is said to have some SATA fixes which might improve stability for me as well. | 10:56 |
| hunger | The box runs for about 6h straight now... with the ubuntu kernel it crashes after about 3 if I am lucky. Sometimes it crashes before it booted up properly. | 10:57 |
| hunger | Now: Any ideas how to debug the "udev does not create /dev/input/mice" problem? | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | hunger: change loglevel to "info" in /etc/udev/udev.conf | 10:59 |
| mdke | hunger, i have a T43, haven't had any problems on standard breezy, perhaps it is a different model? | 10:59 |
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| Treenaks | the "usb mouse doesn't do scroll events" bug is known? | 11:01 |
| hunger | mdke: Does it have PCIe and SATA? | 11:01 |
| mdke | yes i think so | 11:02 |
| mdke | i had an email from someone who had random crashes, he blamed it on the wifi chip iirc | 11:02 |
| hunger | mdke: Mine is unusable in standard breezy. | 11:03 |
| hunger | mdke: It is not the WLAN chip: I only installed the driver for that yesterday. | 11:04 |
| mdke | hunger, surely the driver is in the breezy kernel | 11:04 |
| hunger | mdke: My box crashes on graphics ops and whenever it has lots of HDD or ethernet activity. | 11:04 |
| mdke | hunger, anyhow check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43 and see if you can find anything useful | 11:04 |
| hunger | mdke: Nope... in linux-restricted-modules and that is broken. | 11:05 |
| mdke | the guy who reported the crashes is the second one in the list on that wiki page | 11:05 |
| hunger | mdke: Or maybe it was just my config of it that was... dunno. It did give warnings on modprobe though. | 11:05 |
| mdke | anyway this is kinda off topic for this channel | 11:06 |
| mdke | go to #ubuntu-laptop | 11:06 |
| hunger | mdke: I just wanted to report my findings to the kernel people. | 11:06 |
| mdke | hunger, they might not be awake, better use bugzilla or #ubuntu-kernel | 11:08 |
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| hunger | mdke: ubuntu has way too many channels here! | 11:09 |
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| robotgeek | hi, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1138 is marked as fixed, but i still get the same error. i filed a new bug at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1926 referencing the old one. | 11:39 |
| siretart | robotgeek: this seems a universe package, please join #ubuntu-motu for that | 11:56 |
| robotgeek | siretart: okay...sorry :) | 11:56 |
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| sivang | jdub: ping , dude you there? | 02:48 |
| tseng | hi sivang | 02:50 |
| jdub | sivang: yeah | 02:50 |
| jdub | sivang: i have ubuntu booting on this sucker now | 02:50 |
| jdub | sivang: got some help from tgall with the cd booting foo | 02:50 |
| jdub | will be very helpful when kamion's back | 02:51 |
| Treenaks | when will he be back btw? | 02:51 |
| jdub | dunno | 02:51 |
| sivang | jdub: wow cool | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | Should be this week | 02:53 |
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| mirak | hi | 02:53 |
| sivang | jdub: I was about to try that now , then guess there's no need :) What did you have to do in order to make it boot? | 02:54 |
| OculusAquilae | hi mirak | 02:54 |
| mirak | is breezy a bit more stable, kind of like debian unstable or is it still as unstable as breezy just after hoary was final ? | 02:54 |
| jdub | sivang: i unpacked the livecd onto a different disk, currently using suse's yaboot to boot it | 02:54 |
| OculusAquilae | my breezy (kubuntu) is running very good mirak | 02:54 |
| jdub | mirak: breezy has almost reach preview release | 02:54 |
| OculusAquilae | s/is running/runs | 02:55 |
| jdub | mirak: it is not like debian sid - we stabilise our development branch for release | 02:55 |
| mirak | ok, in fact I was using hoary already before it was final, it was "ok", though when hoary was final, I tried breezy but it was really awfull lol | 02:55 |
| jdub | we always make the biggest changes at the beginning of the development process, so that makes sense | 02:56 |
| sivang | jdub: I see, nice, then I am still going to try find the right flags to be used in our image build scripts to make a bootable image, since you just workaround the problem for the meanwhile :) | 02:56 |
| jdub | it is almost always dogfoodable though | 02:56 |
| OculusAquilae | mirak: it was a new version then, with many changes at the beginning | 02:56 |
| mirak | ok, so I will give it a shot | 02:56 |
| jdub | sivang: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=U&start=2&q=http://penguinppc.org/ppc64/power-bootable-iso/&e=42 | 02:56 |
| mirak | if it breaks everything it will be a good occasion to switch to ubuntu amd 64 | 02:56 |
| OculusAquilae | :-) | 02:57 |
| mirak | I run ubuntu on two macs | 02:57 |
| OculusAquilae | i don't like ubuntu on amd64 | 02:57 |
| mirak | G3 and G4 | 02:57 |
| OculusAquilae | ah | 02:57 |
| sivang | jdub: anyway, can you review and sponser my new pkg of gnome-panel ? (launchpad integration included) | 02:57 |
| mirak | OculusAquilae: what's wrong ? | 02:57 |
| jdub | sivang: i'll leave that for seb | 02:57 |
| sivang | ah ok, | 02:57 |
| sivang | np | 02:57 |
| OculusAquilae | mirak: with media codecs etc | 02:57 |
| mirak | OculusAquilae: yes that's what I have heard | 02:58 |
| mirak | I should have created a second partition | 02:58 |
| OculusAquilae | i think its possible to change it | 02:58 |
| mirak | I mean a second system partition | 02:58 |
| mirak | OculusAquilae: resize ? | 02:58 |
| Mitario | elmo, ping | 02:58 |
| OculusAquilae | mirak: no, the bad media-support in amd64 | 02:59 |
| OculusAquilae | but i don't know how it changed in breezy | 02:59 |
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| sivang | jdub: thx for the howto. /me reading it now | 03:01 |
| mirak | OculusAquilae: I have read that gentoo have some workarounds for this | 03:02 |
| mirak | mmm | 03:02 |
| OculusAquilae | you could simply compile the media apps in 32-bit | 03:02 |
| sivang | jdub: so how's breezy working on the hardware? have you found any userland issues yet? | 03:09 |
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| jdub | sivang: sorting through an X issue with daniels | 03:10 |
| jdub | haven't fully upgraded to breezy yet | 03:10 |
| jdub | but otherwise running ok | 03:10 |
| Snark | jdub: fixed font issues? | 03:12 |
| jdub | no | 03:13 |
| jdub | pci domain on powerpc issues | 03:13 |
| Snark | oh... powerpc... | 03:15 |
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| HiddenWolf | *grumble* nvidia driver is hosed for me. | 03:25 |
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| shackan | after last upgrade nautilus icons are gone (every file has the default 'file' icon) and it crashes quite often | 03:29 |
| sivang | jdub: you're booting the live fs on another disk, from a the opensuse yaboot prompt? | 03:31 |
| jdub | sivang: i added a section to it in suse's lilo.conf (which its lilo command turns into yaboot.conf) | 03:31 |
| sivang | jdub: nice, so the fs system you're booting is already on one of the SCSI hard drives? | 03:36 |
| jdub | yeah | 03:36 |
| jdub | i just blatted the livecd fs on it | 03:37 |
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| sivang | jdub: then it seems that what we now need is only (1) a bootable install cd that's able to boot, and (2) through testing to get certified, seems like we can get a certified version in no time :) | 03:40 |
| mirak | is ther gnome 2.12 or approaching in breezy ? | 03:42 |
| jdub | fingers crossed | 03:42 |
| jdub | mirak: our devel branches always icnlude the gnome devel branch | 03:42 |
| mirak | nice | 03:42 |
| mirak | and e17 ? | 03:43 |
| mirak | I m kidding | 03:43 |
| jdub | don't think anyone's got around to it yet | 03:45 |
| jdub | ideally it would be in universe | 03:45 |
| luis_ | someone was talking about doing it. | 03:45 |
| mirak | I want expos in gnome | 03:47 |
| mirak | seems apple have patented it | 03:48 |
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| JanC | mirak: there is expocity ? :) | 04:04 |
| mirak | it sucks | 04:04 |
| mirak | come on | 04:05 |
| mirak | have you ever tried expos ? ;) | 04:05 |
| jdub | expocity is limited by the functionality available to us | 04:09 |
| jdub | once we've got COMPOSITE running everywhere, expocity will fall into place (and fairly likely into metacity itself) | 04:10 |
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| sivang | jdub: that's what cairo will enable us, right? (and the rationale behind the transition) | 04:11 |
| jdub | not really | 04:11 |
| jdub | COMPOSITE and possibly Xgl | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | It's sort of orthogonal | 04:12 |
| jdub | cairo could be used for transformations | 04:12 |
| jdub | but it's not enormously related | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | Cairo buys us the primitives to use Composite at the toolkit level | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | Something like expose could be done as well at the raw composite level | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | Remember that not all your windows will necessarily be built with cairo-using toolkits | 04:13 |
| luis_ | blasphemer | 04:13 |
| luis_ | ;) | 04:13 |
| sivang | mjg59: ah I see | 04:13 |
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| sivang | jdub: do you know if debian-cd build scripts putt stuff from the net, or require everything to be on disk? | 04:41 |
| jdub | not sure | 04:41 |
| siretart | err, is ftp://upload.ubuntu.com really down? | 04:45 |
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| HiddenWolf | I have a case of evince showing half a pdf. i guess that should go upstream? | 04:50 |
| luis_ | probably to poppler in fd.o | 04:51 |
| HiddenWolf | luis_, where can I find this? | 04:51 |
| luis_ | bugzilla.freedesktop.org | 04:52 |
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| luis_ | getting an account is not hard :) | 04:55 |
| HiddenWolf | no, but it's annoying. | 04:56 |
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| tgall | morning | 05:16 |
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| bur[n] er | i'm not sure if this is proper to talk about here, but seems like rhythmbox doesn't work on my desktop, but does on my laptop... both the latest breezy I've dumped ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox to try to remedy, but I still get errors. I've tried to run as root to no avail as well. Anyone know something about this? if not, i'll bug report the lil info i have | 05:29 |
| bur[n] er | also... on running, I get "the program has quit unexpectedly" restart, close, inform developers... but I get no terminal output whatsoever, so I'm not sure hte problem | 05:30 |
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| sivang | hey pitti , 'sup ? | 05:46 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 05:47 |
| Laur | /msg nickserv help | 05:47 |
| sivang | pitti: do you have a couple of minutes? | 05:47 |
| pitti | sivang: just returned from a marriage party, quick mail check and then off to swimming :-) | 05:47 |
| pitti | sivang: well, yes | 05:48 |
| sivang | pitti: ah cool, then happy pool time :) | 05:48 |
| sivang | pitti: never mind, I have something I wanted someone to review it, but it's probably better left for seb to do | 05:48 |
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| pitti | sjoerd: thanks for your hal work | 06:08 |
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| siretart | does anyone know whats going on with ftp://upload.ubuntu.com? | 06:09 |
| bur[n] er | nope | 06:17 |
| sivang | morning tgall :) | 06:18 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, around? | 06:19 |
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| Coyctecm | toimaa =) | 06:33 |
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| Coyctecm | Sain takas on alkup. kursoriteeman. Se musta perinteinen, musta kaikista paras. =) | 06:34 |
| tepsipakki | vr kanava? | 06:35 |
| tepsipakki | ;) | 06:35 |
| Coyctecm | sorry...wrong channel... | 06:35 |
| opi | I hope you don't bad mouth us ;-> | 06:35 |
| Coyctecm | yes I was writing in #ubuntu.fi | 06:36 |
| Coyctecm | :D | 06:36 |
| HiddenWolf | Finnish? | 06:36 |
| Coyctecm | yes | 06:36 |
| tepsipakki | har har | 06:36 |
| Coyctecm | :D | 06:36 |
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| mjg59 | Argh GPL violating modem drivers | 07:02 |
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| mjr | fun fun fun | 07:03 |
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| j^ | oh why is there not sane dvd/cd burn program for gnome in ubuntu | 08:02 |
| Lathiat | j^: define sane | 08:02 |
| Lathiat | j^: nautilus works good for me.. | 08:02 |
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| j^ | sane: burn on the fly, set title of disk | 08:03 |
| sivang | ogra_ltsp: ping | 08:03 |
| ogra_ltsp | sivang, pong ? | 08:04 |
| j^ | have 3 diffrent image layouts and burn them in random order several times, without creating iso images | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | yuo can set the title | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | as for burning on the fly | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | it doesnt do that | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | thats a nice feature of growisofs | 08:05 |
| j^ | burn on the fly is essential | 08:06 |
| j^ | i do not have an extra 10GB on my disk | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | quite | 08:06 |
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| sivang | ogra_ltsp: do you know if debian-cd expects the whole archive to be on disk? | 08:09 |
| sivang | ogra_ltsp: (that is, if you are using it to create edubutnu) | 08:10 |
| ogra_ltsp | sivang, nope, i use the ubuntu infrastructure, i dont even know he backend | 08:10 |
| sivang | ogra_ltsp: ah, whre is the ubuntu infrastrucute / where can I find the frontned? | 08:10 |
| sivang | ogra_ltsp: I want to try pass different mkisofs options to the ubuntu image creation process for ppc64 | 08:11 |
| ogra_ltsp | i have a seedlist that gets automatically synced and the edubuntu metapackages, thats the only influence i can take without Kamion mdz can trigger the builds additionally | 08:12 |
| sivang | ogra_ltsp: ah I see | 08:12 |
| sivang | mdz: ping, you here? | 08:13 |
| ogra_ltsp | sivang, but i guess there are some howtos out there for debian-cd | 08:13 |
| sivang | ogra_ltsp: yes , there are, the problem is they are bit vaugh regarding the archive itself, I'll try rereading the README | 08:16 |
| sivang | well, looks like I need to mirror the whole archive locally | 08:18 |
| j^ | Lathiat and it would be nice to be able to configure the default diskname | 08:19 |
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| tgall | greets | 09:24 |
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| mdz | sivang: yes? | 09:32 |
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| xhaker | elmo, scite? | 10:57 |
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| crimsun | HiddenWolf: yes? | 11:30 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, never mind. Thought my soundcard screwed up again, but it was human error. | 11:31 |
| crimsun | k | 11:31 |
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