=== HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] lol, ntpdate is broken. [12:05] hi. how do you do a cvs diff between the most recent previous version, and current version, without knowing the actual version numbers? is this even possible? [12:06] crimsun, anything I can do for you short of reinstalling my system again? [12:07] hoary->colony3 would help [12:08] I'll consider, but not now. It's past midnight. === HiddenWolf notes down. [12:08] sure [12:09] The audigy2 never worked under hoary anyway. There was that bug in 1.06 (I think) [12:10] it worked for me [12:10] or is that audigy1 [12:10] hey is dbus working at the moment? [12:10] i have a few [12:10] I had an audigy2 that didn't, and an audigy1 that did work. [12:10] right now whatever i have in my desktop doesnt work in breezy [12:10] after a clean reinstall [12:10] did before [12:12] tseng: model # from lspci -v? [12:12] crimsun: um [12:12] crimsun: its 2 hours away presently [12:12] tseng: k, whenever you get to it [12:12] I guess not? [12:12] crimsun: k. [12:12] rob^: it seems to work her [12:12] e [12:12] Breezy seems to be pretty broken :S [12:12] not really [12:12] crimsun, ok thanks [12:13] (just updated ~20 mins ago) [12:13] you are too late for "pretty broken" [12:13] rightmouse in nautilus and try to create a new file [12:13] WFM [12:13] error: "not on the same filesystem"' [12:13] yeah mines broken to [12:14] ntp has a failure in name resolution during boot, despite it being pingable. [12:15] rhythmbox crashes as soon as it's launched. [12:15] evo has 2 different icons under internet and office. [12:15] and I could list a few more. ;) [12:16] those are all pretty minor, comparatively [12:16] you missed out on all the ROFFLECOPTER X IS TEH B0RK!!1 [12:16] tseng, second stage installer hanging without a warning on server install is one. [12:16] or more recently most of gnome crashing at random [12:17] (doesn't prompt for cdrom when it needs it) [12:17] HiddenWolf: on laptop-mode or so? [12:17] *chuckle* [12:17] seen that [12:17] tseng, yup, libdiscover and friends. [12:17] is there a bug #? [12:17] I filed one. [12:17] cheers. [12:17] i have 10 more boxes to build, that would get annoying [12:18] It doesn't hang on a desktop-install. [12:18] whats the bug # please [12:18] #14225 [12:19] thanks. [12:19] 14228 is also fun. :) [12:20] HiddenWolf: well rhythmbox crashes for me too while starting ;) [12:22] and tseng: I had to miss the fun. My harddrive just got back from RMA. [12:22] hm great === tseng kicks dbus api in the face === restrex [n=restrex@216-155-92-207.bk2-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] are the X working on breezy right now? or.. don't upgrade! ? [12:24] X Window System works here [12:26] ok crimsun thanks :) [12:26] crimsun, should I file a bug about that snd_bt87x module not loading for me? [12:26] HiddenWolf: hotplug/udev aren't my area, but it may be a good idea [12:27] crimsun, who deals with udev? [12:28] hmm, maybe pitti? [12:34] hm, well. I should be to bed. :) [12:34] hope you can figure out that bug crimson. :) [12:35] heh, I was killed on a chilean irc for being unix user, that's cool [12:35] 18:33 -!- You were killed by DeserT [~DeserT@netadmin.irc.cl] [vaya a jugar con virus, no me importa su unix.] [Path: VTR!IRCops!netadmin.irc.cl!DeserT] [12:36] irc.cl? === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] go play with you virus, Unix doesn't matter to me [12:37] how rude. :P [12:37] I just was saying them that leave windows :) [12:38] rob^: yes, chilean irc [12:40] whats the server address? [12:41] irc.cl [12:41] I think they run unix, 'cause they have opened a ssh port [12:41] hmm didn't work the first time [12:42] 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds <- but they have these kind of m$ port opened too :/ === cassidy [n=cassidy@5.166-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at www.irc.cl Port 80 [12:43] heh === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] oops I got booted from#chile [12:55] rob^: heheh what? [12:56] (y pa esa wea te pgan internet ?) [12:56] whatever that means === seth_k [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-212-139.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-212-139.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] rob^ wuaha! [12:58] care to translate? my spanish isn't so good.. [12:58] that means: ... for that shit you pay internet= [12:58] that means: ... for that shit you pay internet? [12:58] xD [12:58] I thought it was something like that [12:59] rob^: what did you say there? [01:07] Are Chileans violently pro-Windows or something? [01:08] something like that === otavio is now known as otavio[off] [01:12] mpt: you planning to update your great ubuntu UI list for breezy? [01:14] oops now they banned me.. === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bob_too [n=chris@rrcs-24-153-179-246.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Elleo [n=Elleo@shellsong.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["gin] === bob_too [n=chris@rrcs-24-153-179-246.sw.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === herzi [n=herzi@d002120.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] oh man [02:15] dude turns up on ubuntu-devel knowing how to sort out the ppc64 iso foo [02:15] that's brilliant [02:15] yeah i liked that [02:15] nice timing though [02:16] Cocking Dell. [02:17] good morning cocking lovers! [02:18] i was eating, even [02:18] "The first Live-CD based on Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has appeared. Its name is Ging (for Ging Is Not Ging) and it includes a GNOME 2.10 desktop, Abiword, and a complete toolchain with gcc 4.0." [02:18] cool === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] jdub: yeh [02:19] It stands for "Ging Is Not Ging". It is, to my knowledge, the [02:19] first recursive acronym with an implicit contradiction. === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] You'd think something as simple as "Not breaking when someone presses the lid switch" would be within Dell's capatbilities [02:20] But no! [02:21] mjg59: works on my 600m [02:21] mjg59: what kind of cockery are you speaking of? === j^ looks out for the first palyndromic acronym === luis_ presses mjg59's lid switch [02:21] Instead it generates two video eventsplus the lid open event, and DOESN'T SWITCH THE BACKLIGHT ON [02:21] palindromic recursive acronym! [02:22] ryanthiessen: yes. [02:22] "hannah is a palindrom" [02:22] Thanks, Dell. Thdell. [02:31] mjg59: what hardawre is this? [02:32] D610, but one with Intel graphics === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] infinity: still there? === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nozamosi@h133n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] In the stock Debian configuration, [03:36] xrdb is called by gdm as part of the default session (three times), and [03:36] then again by gnome-settings-daemon. [03:36] ha ha [03:36] jdub: its good to be sure [03:36] cpp, baaaaabye === jdub checks for -nocpp, given that we don't need it [03:40] nup [03:41] is elmo the only one who can give MOTUs upload privileges? [03:41] Mitario: yep, believe so [03:41] hmm, okay [03:41] he controls the keyring [03:42] ok [03:44] And the vertical [03:44] And the horizontal [03:46] ha ha [03:46] ha ha ha === jdub smiles [03:47] mjg59: are you quoting uhf? [03:47] jdub, hey ya [03:47] whoa, dude [03:47] howdy :-) [03:47] tgall: your timing is impeccable [03:48] jdub, perfect timing! [03:48] i got the 710 a few days back [03:48] it's sitting on my coffee table [03:48] jdub, cool ... how did you score one of those ? [03:48] it needs some serious ubuntu anti-depressants [03:48] heh .. well no worries .. I know how to get it a rollin [03:48] local solutions company got ibm to give them one for us [03:48] tgall: hi [03:49] jdub, great [03:49] tseng, greetings [03:49] ah, i see from tgall's channels list that you two have background ;) [03:49] so is it in the cd build, or yaboot configuration? [03:49] `fg` [03:49] jdub, both! [03:49] d'oh! :) [03:49] jdub, and the console gets a little fun to setup [03:50] depending if you're running in a partition or not [03:50] oh right [03:50] so first things first! [03:50] i don't have an HMC to test [03:50] can i set up partitions in the hmc web thingy? [03:50] well no biggie .. I've got access to hardware a plenty [03:50] umm yes you should be able to ... tho I haven't don't it personally but I'm fairly certain you can [03:51] s/don't/done/ [03:51] (not that firefox can talk to it - will have to plug in my windows box) [03:51] hmm firefox should work === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E808.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] ogra! [03:51] it can't negotiate a cipher to use [03:52] jdub, anyway .. so to get a IBM chrp / hpa box to boot off of cd we need to put a little magic on the cd [03:52] in gentoo land we build isos so they can boot on pmac and ibm .. no reason why ubuntu can't either! [03:53] bonus [03:53] yeah .. that's kinda my background .. I run the ppc64 port in gentoo land .. but don't hold it against me! [03:53] you are safe as long as you convert immediately [03:53] haha [03:54] tseng: you survived :) [03:54] and sacrifice a virgin at the shrine of dpkg [03:54] tseng, I'm sure there are DNA fixing technologies to allow such things [03:54] tgall: actually, we found a method that doesn't involve in-place genetic modification [03:54] tseng, well my 4 way 604e box still runs debian .. I never converted it to gentoo [03:54] :) [03:54] jdub, does it involve beer ? [03:55] tgall: we're building a screensaver that downloads build logs and displays them, while pegging the CPU [03:55] ;-) [03:55] heh [03:55] jdub, ok so boot on chrp [03:55] (and this holds for both 32 and 64 bit ibm systems) [03:55] handy [03:55] this boxes all look for a file named ppc/bootinfo.txt [03:56] jdub: there is an apt-emerge or something that does exactly that [03:56] so assuming no one ever blasts their boot-device in open firmware it will look for that path on the cdrom [03:56] bootinfo.txt is a bootscript of sorts and if you like i can just dcc you one [03:56] waaaaay to much to dump here [03:57] i'll check the one on the opensuse cd [03:57] sure that works too [03:57] o wait .. do they have ppc support in opensuse yet ? [03:57] yeah [03:57] I didn't think they had started that effort yet [03:57] well, they've always had it internally [03:58] they've just started pushing it public [03:58] kudos to olaf and matze! [03:58] yes so grab that [03:58] inside the bootinfo.txt you'll see the following line [03:58] boot &device;:1,\ppc\chrp\yaboot [03:58] you can guess what that does :-) [03:59] haha, just opened one here [03:59] now .. one difference you might or might not have here is do you run addnote over your yaboot binary ? [03:59] xml boot scripts! brilliant! [03:59] hrm, dunno - addnote? [03:59] you need that on ppc64 boxen [03:59] ah, thus suse [03:59] ah, thus suse's yaboot.ibm [03:59] jdub: its extensible to a web service [03:59] basically throws a small header on the front [04:00] so I suspect you'll have two yaboots .. === sfvt [n=sfvt@pool-71-241-137-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] but they can both read the same /etc/yaboot.conf file [04:00] yep [04:00] yaboot and yaboot.ibm [04:00] ok .. so the next bit of trivia is the various consoles [04:01] oh, and it has image[64bit] yada in it [04:01] so like on a js20 powerblade, they use console=hvc0 [04:02] the as far as pseries goes, you've got ttyS0 or hvc0 or hvsi0! [04:02] that also covers new iseries as well [04:02] hrm [04:02] jdub, o and do you need the xserv magic as well ? [04:03] so suse don't seem to pass console params in yaboot.cnf [04:03] they might have something built into their kernel to figure it out [04:03] kernel.org kernels don't have that [04:03] :-/ [04:04] oh [04:04] so, X magic? === jdub couldn't get the X in his hoary chroot to run [04:04] couldn't find the device, even though it was quite happy with the mga driver [04:04] console=ttyS0,57600n1 <-- that's for xServ [04:04] jdub, ah .. so you have the matrox card at least [04:05] yeah [04:05] jdub, on ppc64 hardware there aren't much for graphics solutions and with no agp ... it's slim pickins [04:05] oh, maybe i should try the breezy xorg [04:05] xorg and mga does work tho [04:06] least it does as a 64 bit binary .. but it should work 32 bit [04:06] so the detection works fine [04:06] you MIGHT need one kernel param tho depending on what level of kernel you have === slomo [n=slomo@p5487E9D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] but trying to run it, the mga driver can't find a device [04:06] oh [04:06] heh [04:06] yeah for a long long time the memory detection on the cards has been mega screwed up [04:07] kernel just needs to be slapped [04:07] I think ianr submitted the correct kernel code upstream .. if he didn't tho, I have the patch for that [04:07] ok, so have to find suse patches for console detection and X memory foo :) [04:07] umm let me fire up my power3 box .. half a mo [04:08] guess i'll chat from here for a sec [04:11] jdub, so any idea which matrox card you have? [04:12] g400 [04:12] arent you fancy [04:12] jdub, I have a GXT130P so yeah you're a 135P then [04:12] you might be ok .. [04:13] for the 130 series you definitely need video=matroxfb:1280x1024@60,memtype:3 [04:13] basically sets up the cards other 6 meg [04:13] aha [04:13] if you don't do that, then xorg tries to run thinking it has 8 megs of memory in only 2 [04:13] i will try it in a minute (710 takes a while to boot...) [04:14] and you get a big screen of angry fruit salad === tgall_foo heads back upstairs [04:17] tseng, jdub : do either of you have pointers to the tools and such that you use to build isos ? ... (tseng : least assuming there's something similiar to catalyst) [04:18] debian-cd [04:18] but i think ours is pretty thoroughly hacked up [04:18] ah .. [04:19] tgall: ive not built an install cd [04:19] tgall: we have some pretty decent community docs on livecd building [04:19] he means 'most excellent' [04:19] :) [04:19] cool just what I need .. as you might imagine I'm a bit interested walking down that road [04:20] it doesnt smoke crack like catalyst [04:20] but its more manual [04:20] the gist is you get an old iso, unpack it somewhere, edit, repackage [04:20] heh ... yeah catalyst requires the stroking of other people's ego so they will share the magic ... [04:20] meh [04:20] aweful way to run a project [04:20] i wrote a wrapper script [04:20] we're all about the wiki love here [04:21] to the supposed end all wrapper [04:21] tseng: hrm, that's not how the cd builds themselves work === tgall loves wiki love [04:21] jdub: LiveCDCustomizationHowtoForLife(LessThenThreeLuisVilla4) [04:21] but that's post-build [04:21] indeed. [04:22] is the real process documented outside the d-i cabal? === tgall just hopes it documented [04:23] debian-cd is around somewhere [04:23] unfortunately kamion isn't here [04:23] hmm so any suggestions as far jury rigging the installer from a chroot since obvious the install cd isn't feeling well yet ? [04:23] he would be the most useful person to speak to about all of this === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] byebye everyone nite [04:48] night Mitario [04:48] that evil BBB slipped my sight! === Mitario hopes elmo is awake tomorrow :) [04:54] there ... on the motu candidate list now .... [04:58] tgall: rock! === jlj [n=agp@cm-80.111.97.105.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487C469.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gabaug [n=gabe@ppp-70-225-160-49.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-58.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] tgall: awesomely fast i/o subsystem on these things [06:06] what a sucky weekend [06:08] jdub, yes very! [06:13] has anyone else had problems with the nvidia drivers in the breezy repos? === jdub installs the breezy powerpc64 kernel [06:14] rob^: such as? [06:15] I have them installed and lsmod shows they are loaded [06:15] but 3d is painfully slow still [06:15] you're definitely using the nvidia driver? [06:15] yes [06:16] its in xorg.conf, the logo shows up on startup [06:17] hmm [06:17] daniels will know [06:17] what does glxinfo|grep ^direct say? [06:17] direct rendering: Yes [06:18] cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status -> #flood [06:19] done [06:19] don't you have to remove Load "GLcore" from xorg.conf? [06:20] that should have been done by nvidia-glx-config [06:20] hmm seems it wasnt [06:21] brb I'll remove it and see what happens === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] yep, thats all it was [06:23] k, b.u.c. time [06:24] I removed Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" [06:24] k thanks === tgall jdub is successful [06:24] s/jdub/hopes jdub [06:33] oh sweet baby jebus [06:33] how do i remove langpacks without regenerating locales? === jdub is going to die === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:46] well night ... [06:48] gute nacht! === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LaserLine [n=idan_mm@199.203.36.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:51] Is there a tool for checking BAD SECTORS on the hard drive ? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-172-200.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] LaserLine: badblocks === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserLine [n=idan_mm@199.203.36.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syn-ack [i=Matt@ip68-228-38-121.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-51.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syn-ack_ [i=Matt@ip68-228-38-121.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syn-ack_ is now known as syn-ack === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pcmanlin [n=pcmanlin@219.232.57.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] who can tell me whether unionfs will be used in breezy-livecd? [08:54] just be used in breezy-livecd, about install cd? [09:00] pcmanlin: no === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-129.129.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] unionfs is terribly unstable === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-136-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tgall [n=tgall@206.9.88.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] ogra, you seen this? It is a Fedora SoC project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pootypedia/ === auxesis [n=lindsay@li12-168.members.linode.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] elmo: could you please sync mercurial? === pcmanlin [n=pcmanlin@219.232.57.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskie [n=maskie@196-30-109-137.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === teprrr [i=tpr@digital.d5k.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [i=frans-th@202.73.108.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] morning all [10:41] morning [10:42] afternoon here :P [10:42] hey sivang [10:43] hey Treenaks , hows the laptop testing going? [10:44] sivang: very well [10:44] main uploading people - anybody for reviwing my pkg and upload it? [10:44] I love the 1920x1200 res :) [10:44] Treenaks: you managed to get over that annoying kbd layout ? :) [10:44] hard to live without it on my old laptop [10:44] yeah.. still getting used to it, but I'll manage ;) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62212.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] i use my NEC m540, wide screen, ubuntu know it well :) without any driver, except the sllink modem, 1280x800 :) === frans-th [i=frans-th@202.73.108.220] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:55] My laptop (IBM T43p) seems somewhat more stable now... I switched to a homemade 2.6.13-rc7 kernel and the new ATI proprietary drivers. [10:56] The latter seem to make a difference... but the first is said to have some SATA fixes which might improve stability for me as well. [10:57] The box runs for about 6h straight now... with the ubuntu kernel it crashes after about 3 if I am lucky. Sometimes it crashes before it booted up properly. [10:58] Now: Any ideas how to debug the "udev does not create /dev/input/mice" problem? [10:59] hunger: change loglevel to "info" in /etc/udev/udev.conf [10:59] hunger, i have a T43, haven't had any problems on standard breezy, perhaps it is a different model? === comadreja [n=comadrej@120.Red-81-36-28.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] the "usb mouse doesn't do scroll events" bug is known? [11:01] mdke: Does it have PCIe and SATA? [11:02] yes i think so [11:02] i had an email from someone who had random crashes, he blamed it on the wifi chip iirc [11:03] mdke: Mine is unusable in standard breezy. [11:04] mdke: It is not the WLAN chip: I only installed the driver for that yesterday. [11:04] hunger, surely the driver is in the breezy kernel [11:04] mdke: My box crashes on graphics ops and whenever it has lots of HDD or ethernet activity. [11:04] hunger, anyhow check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43 and see if you can find anything useful [11:05] mdke: Nope... in linux-restricted-modules and that is broken. [11:05] the guy who reported the crashes is the second one in the list on that wiki page [11:05] mdke: Or maybe it was just my config of it that was... dunno. It did give warnings on modprobe though. [11:06] anyway this is kinda off topic for this channel [11:06] go to #ubuntu-laptop [11:06] mdke: I just wanted to report my findings to the kernel people. [11:08] hunger, they might not be awake, better use bugzilla or #ubuntu-kernel === Simira [n=rpGirl@150.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] mdke: ubuntu has way too many channels here! === pcmanlin [n=pcmanlin@219.232.57.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host6-93.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kronoss [n=kronoss@FW-7-250.go.retevision.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-087-231.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-247-170-119.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@203-59-251-126.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] hi, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1138 is marked as fixed, but i still get the same error. i filed a new bug at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1926 referencing the old one. [11:56] robotgeek: this seems a universe package, please join #ubuntu-motu for that [11:56] siretart: okay...sorry :) === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-247-170-119.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cassidy [n=cassidy@5.166-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Coyctecm [n=niko@a84-230-193-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ is now known as slomo === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kobold [n=kobold@catv-50638d13.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan_ [n=shackan@host106-79.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-193.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans@202.73.108.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ekimus [n=ekimus@217.199.88.159] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh_ [n=carstenh@p54A62221.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ekimus [n=ekimus@217.199.88.159] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gnonthgol [n=knut@ti400720a081-11933.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans@202.73.108.220] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Demitar [n=nnndemit@2122142507-WEBTECH-OREBRO-NET.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Snark [n=jpuydt@lns-p19-3-idf-62-147-148-67.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan_ is now known as shackan === Elleo [n=Elleo@shellsong.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D1FA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sepheebear_ [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [SemTeX] [n=luc@082-146-104-253.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host106-79.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pcmanlin [n=pcmanlin@219.232.57.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae_ [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] jdub: ping , dude you there? [02:50] hi sivang [02:50] sivang: yeah [02:50] sivang: i have ubuntu booting on this sucker now [02:50] sivang: got some help from tgall with the cd booting foo [02:51] will be very helpful when kamion's back [02:51] when will he be back btw? [02:51] dunno [02:53] jdub: wow cool [02:53] Should be this week === mirak [n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-44-247.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] hi [02:54] jdub: I was about to try that now , then guess there's no need :) What did you have to do in order to make it boot? [02:54] hi mirak [02:54] is breezy a bit more stable, kind of like debian unstable or is it still as unstable as breezy just after hoary was final ? [02:54] sivang: i unpacked the livecd onto a different disk, currently using suse's yaboot to boot it [02:54] my breezy (kubuntu) is running very good mirak [02:54] mirak: breezy has almost reach preview release [02:55] s/is running/runs [02:55] mirak: it is not like debian sid - we stabilise our development branch for release [02:55] ok, in fact I was using hoary already before it was final, it was "ok", though when hoary was final, I tried breezy but it was really awfull lol [02:56] we always make the biggest changes at the beginning of the development process, so that makes sense [02:56] jdub: I see, nice, then I am still going to try find the right flags to be used in our image build scripts to make a bootable image, since you just workaround the problem for the meanwhile :) [02:56] it is almost always dogfoodable though [02:56] mirak: it was a new version then, with many changes at the beginning [02:56] ok, so I will give it a shot [02:56] sivang: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=U&start=2&q=http://penguinppc.org/ppc64/power-bootable-iso/&e=42 [02:56] if it breaks everything it will be a good occasion to switch to ubuntu amd 64 [02:57] :-) [02:57] I run ubuntu on two macs [02:57] i don't like ubuntu on amd64 [02:57] G3 and G4 [02:57] ah [02:57] jdub: anyway, can you review and sponser my new pkg of gnome-panel ? (launchpad integration included) [02:57] OculusAquilae: what's wrong ? [02:57] sivang: i'll leave that for seb [02:57] ah ok, [02:57] np [02:57] mirak: with media codecs etc [02:58] OculusAquilae: yes that's what I have heard [02:58] I should have created a second partition [02:58] i think its possible to change it [02:58] I mean a second system partition [02:58] OculusAquilae: resize ? [02:58] elmo, ping [02:59] mirak: no, the bad media-support in amd64 [02:59] but i don't know how it changed in breezy === dr88dr88 [n=gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] jdub: thx for the howto. /me reading it now [03:02] OculusAquilae: I have read that gentoo have some workarounds for this [03:02] mmm [03:02] you could simply compile the media apps in 32-bit [03:09] jdub: so how's breezy working on the hardware? have you found any userland issues yet? === shackan [n=shackan@host106-79.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] sivang: sorting through an X issue with daniels [03:10] haven't fully upgraded to breezy yet [03:10] but otherwise running ok [03:12] jdub: fixed font issues? [03:13] no [03:13] pci domain on powerpc issues [03:15] oh... powerpc... === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] *grumble* nvidia driver is hosed for me. === Zebaz [i=keyserso@r200-2-35-177-dialup.adinet.com.uy] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] after last upgrade nautilus icons are gone (every file has the default 'file' icon) and it crashes quite often [03:31] jdub: you're booting the live fs on another disk, from a the opensuse yaboot prompt? [03:31] sivang: i added a section to it in suse's lilo.conf (which its lilo command turns into yaboot.conf) [03:36] jdub: nice, so the fs system you're booting is already on one of the SCSI hard drives? [03:36] yeah [03:37] i just blatted the livecd fs on it === kobold [n=kobold@catv-50638d13.catv.broadband.hu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Zebaz [i=keyserso@r200-2-35-177-dialup.adinet.com.uy] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:40] jdub: then it seems that what we now need is only (1) a bootable install cd that's able to boot, and (2) through testing to get certified, seems like we can get a certified version in no time :) [03:42] is ther gnome 2.12 or approaching in breezy ? [03:42] fingers crossed [03:42] mirak: our devel branches always icnlude the gnome devel branch [03:42] nice [03:43] and e17 ? [03:43] I m kidding [03:45] don't think anyone's got around to it yet [03:45] ideally it would be in universe [03:45] someone was talking about doing it. [03:47] I want expos in gnome [03:48] seems apple have patented it === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb-away [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] mirak: there is expocity ? :) [04:04] it sucks [04:05] come on [04:05] have you ever tried expos ? ;) [04:09] expocity is limited by the functionality available to us [04:10] once we've got COMPOSITE running everywhere, expocity will fall into place (and fairly likely into metacity itself) === quitte [i=quitte@Af990.a.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] jdub: that's what cairo will enable us, right? (and the rationale behind the transition) [04:11] not really [04:11] COMPOSITE and possibly Xgl [04:12] It's sort of orthogonal [04:12] cairo could be used for transformations [04:12] but it's not enormously related [04:12] Cairo buys us the primitives to use Composite at the toolkit level [04:12] Something like expose could be done as well at the raw composite level [04:13] Remember that not all your windows will necessarily be built with cairo-using toolkits [04:13] blasphemer [04:13] ;) [04:13] mjg59: ah I see === mjg59 starts hacking teh dell again === Snark [n=jpuydt@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-74-252.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quitte [i=quitte@Af990.a.pppool.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang reads through CONF.sh in debian-cd , now where are the mkisofs flags ....? === mdke_ [n=matt@81-179-237-241.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] jdub: do you know if debian-cd build scripts putt stuff from the net, or require everything to be on disk? [04:41] not sure [04:45] err, is ftp://upload.ubuntu.com really down? === cassidy [n=cassidy@230.173-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] I have a case of evince showing half a pdf. i guess that should go upstream? [04:51] probably to poppler in fd.o [04:51] luis_, where can I find this? [04:52] bugzilla.freedesktop.org === HiddenWolf doesn't have an account there [04:55] getting an account is not hard :) [04:56] no, but it's annoying. === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Coyctecm [n=niko@a84-230-193-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] morning === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-179.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] i'm not sure if this is proper to talk about here, but seems like rhythmbox doesn't work on my desktop, but does on my laptop... both the latest breezy I've dumped ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox to try to remedy, but I still get errors. I've tried to run as root to no avail as well. Anyone know something about this? if not, i'll bug report the lil info i have [05:30] also... on running, I get "the program has quit unexpectedly" restart, close, inform developers... but I get no terminal output whatsoever, so I'm not sure hte problem === spayne [n=rule_the@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Laur [n=chatzill@85.204.253.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] hey pitti , 'sup ? [05:47] Hi sivang [05:47] /msg nickserv help [05:47] pitti: do you have a couple of minutes? [05:47] sivang: just returned from a marriage party, quick mail check and then off to swimming :-) [05:48] sivang: well, yes [05:48] pitti: ah cool, then happy pool time :) [05:48] pitti: never mind, I have something I wanted someone to review it, but it's probably better left for seb to do === Coyctecm [n=niko@a84-230-193-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] sjoerd: thanks for your hal work === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] does anyone know whats going on with ftp://upload.ubuntu.com? [06:17] nope [06:18] morning tgall :) [06:19] crimsun, around? === Coyctecm [n=niko@a84-230-193-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] toimaa =) === opi [n=emil@195.69.82.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:34] Sain takas on alkup. kursoriteeman. Se musta perinteinen, musta kaikista paras. =) [06:35] vr kanava? [06:35] ;) [06:35] sorry...wrong channel... [06:35] I hope you don't bad mouth us ;-> [06:36] yes I was writing in #ubuntu.fi [06:36] :D [06:36] Finnish? [06:36] yes [06:36] har har [06:36] :D === opi [n=emil@195.69.82.35] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D1FA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@h223n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:02] Argh GPL violating modem drivers === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487CF62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] fun fun fun === one2 [n=zombie@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jeronim` [n=jj@c220-239-76-246.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-56-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-095-223.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089E808.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] oh why is there not sane dvd/cd burn program for gnome in ubuntu [08:02] j^: define sane [08:02] j^: nautilus works good for me.. === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] sane: burn on the fly, set title of disk [08:03] ogra_ltsp: ping [08:04] sivang, pong ? [08:04] have 3 diffrent image layouts and burn them in random order several times, without creating iso images [08:05] yuo can set the title [08:05] as for burning on the fly [08:05] it doesnt do that [08:05] thats a nice feature of growisofs [08:06] burn on the fly is essential [08:06] i do not have an extra 10GB on my disk [08:06] quite === zeedo [n=zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ is now known as slomo [08:09] ogra_ltsp: do you know if debian-cd expects the whole archive to be on disk? [08:10] ogra_ltsp: (that is, if you are using it to create edubutnu) [08:10] sivang, nope, i use the ubuntu infrastructure, i dont even know he backend [08:10] ogra_ltsp: ah, whre is the ubuntu infrastrucute / where can I find the frontned? [08:11] ogra_ltsp: I want to try pass different mkisofs options to the ubuntu image creation process for ppc64 [08:12] i have a seedlist that gets automatically synced and the edubuntu metapackages, thats the only influence i can take without Kamion mdz can trigger the builds additionally [08:12] ogra_ltsp: ah I see [08:13] mdz: ping, you here? [08:13] sivang, but i guess there are some howtos out there for debian-cd [08:16] ogra_ltsp: yes , there are, the problem is they are bit vaugh regarding the archive itself, I'll try rereading the README [08:18] well, looks like I need to mirror the whole archive locally [08:19] Lathiat and it would be nice to be able to configure the default diskname === otavio[off] is now known as otavio === crispin [n=crispin@cpc1-cmbg8-4-0-cust246.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-74-218.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D1745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jaska@83.102.38.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ is now known as lu|lunch === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D1D99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] greets === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.152.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] sivang: yes? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-082-162.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@82-217-144-53.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC_ [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ is now known as mdke === marcin [n=marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin is now known as marcin_ant === pprok [n=pprok@ipd177.221.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdthood [n=jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant is now known as marcin === marcin is now known as marcin_ant === shackan [n=shackan@host106-79.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC_ is now known as JanC === cassidy [n=cassidy@230.173-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lu|lunch is now known as luis === luis is now known as luis_ === segfaulted [n=segfault@ipd177.221.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfaulted [n=segfault@ipd177.221.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfaulted [n=segfault@ipd177.221.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] elmo, scite? === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E808.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfaulted [n=segfault@ppp-230-099.dialup.ntua.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JeffAMcGee [n=jeff@host-66-205-125-240.classicnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] HiddenWolf: yes? [11:31] crimsun, never mind. Thought my soundcard screwed up again, but it was human error. [11:31] k === JeffAMcGee [n=jeff@host-66-205-125-240.classicnet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === luis_ [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel