[12:04] <HiddenWolf> lol, ntpdate is broken.
[12:05] <jtan325> hi. how do you do a cvs diff between the most recent previous version, and current version, without knowing the actual version numbers? is this even possible?
[12:06] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, anything I can do for you short of reinstalling my system again?
[12:07] <crimsun> hoary->colony3 would help
[12:08] <HiddenWolf> I'll consider, but not now. It's past midnight.
[12:08] <crimsun> sure
[12:09] <HiddenWolf> The audigy2 never worked under hoary anyway. There was that bug in 1.06 (I think)
[12:10] <tseng> it worked for me
[12:10] <tseng> or is that audigy1
[12:10] <rob^> hey is dbus working at the moment?
[12:10] <tseng> i have a few
[12:10] <HiddenWolf> I had an audigy2 that didn't, and an audigy1 that did work.
[12:10] <tseng> right now whatever i have in my desktop doesnt work in breezy
[12:10] <tseng> after a clean reinstall
[12:10] <tseng> did before
[12:12] <crimsun> tseng: model # from lspci -v?
[12:12] <tseng> crimsun: um
[12:12] <tseng> crimsun: its 2 hours away presently
[12:12] <crimsun> tseng: k, whenever you get to it
[12:12] <rob^> I guess not?
[12:12] <tseng> crimsun: k.
[12:12] <crimsun> rob^: it seems to work her
[12:12] <crimsun> e
[12:12] <HiddenWolf> Breezy seems to be pretty broken :S
[12:12] <tseng> not really
[12:12] <rob^> crimsun, ok thanks
[12:13] <crimsun> (just updated ~20 mins ago)
[12:13] <tseng> you are too late for "pretty broken"
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> rightmouse in nautilus and try to create a new file
[12:13] <tseng> WFM
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> error: "not on the same filesystem"'
[12:13] <rob^> yeah mines broken to
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> ntp has a failure in name resolution during boot, despite it being pingable.
[12:15] <HiddenWolf> rhythmbox crashes as soon as it's launched. 
[12:15] <HiddenWolf> evo has 2 different icons under internet and office. 
[12:15] <HiddenWolf> and I could list a few more. ;)
[12:16] <tseng> those are all pretty minor, comparatively
[12:16] <tseng> you missed out on all the ROFFLECOPTER X IS TEH B0RK!!1
[12:16] <HiddenWolf> tseng, second stage installer hanging without a warning on server install is one.
[12:16] <tseng> or more recently most of gnome crashing at random
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> (doesn't prompt for cdrom when it needs it)
[12:17] <tseng> HiddenWolf: on laptop-mode or so?
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle*
[12:17] <tseng> seen that
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> tseng, yup, libdiscover and friends.
[12:17] <tseng> is there a bug #?
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> I filed one.
[12:17] <tseng> cheers.
[12:17] <tseng> i have 10 more boxes to build, that would get annoying
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> It doesn't hang on a desktop-install.
[12:18] <tseng> whats the bug # please
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> #14225
[12:19] <tseng> thanks.
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> 14228 is also fun. :)
[12:20] <slomo> HiddenWolf: well rhythmbox crashes for me too while starting ;)
[12:22] <HiddenWolf> and tseng: I had to miss the fun. My harddrive just got back from RMA.
[12:22] <tseng> hm great
[12:24] <restrex> are the X working on breezy right now? or.. don't upgrade! ?
[12:24] <crimsun> X Window System works here
[12:26] <restrex> ok crimsun thanks :)
[12:26] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, should I file a bug about that snd_bt87x module not loading for me?
[12:26] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: hotplug/udev aren't my area, but it may be a good idea
[12:27] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, who deals with udev?
[12:28] <crimsun> hmm, maybe pitti?
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> hm, well. I should be to bed. :)
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> hope you can figure out that bug crimson. :)
[12:35] <restrex> heh, I was killed on a chilean irc for being unix user, that's cool
[12:35] <restrex> 18:33 -!- You were killed by DeserT [~DeserT@netadmin.irc.cl]  [vaya a jugar con virus, no me importa su unix.]  [Path: VTR!IRCops!netadmin.irc.cl!DeserT] 
[12:36] <rob^> irc.cl?
[12:37] <restrex> go play with you virus, Unix doesn't matter to me
[12:37] <HiddenWolf> how rude. :P
[12:37] <restrex> I just was saying them that leave windows :)
[12:38] <restrex> rob^: yes, chilean irc
[12:40] <rob^> whats the server address?
[12:41] <restrex> irc.cl
[12:41] <restrex> I think they run unix, 'cause they have opened a ssh port
[12:41] <rob^> hmm didn't work the first time
[12:42] <restrex> 445/tcp  filtered microsoft-ds <- but they have these kind of m$ port opened too :/
[12:43] <restrex> Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at www.irc.cl Port 80
[12:43] <restrex> heh
[12:53] <rob^> oops I got booted from#chile
[12:55] <restrex> rob^: heheh what?
[12:56] <rob^> (y pa esa wea te pgan internet ?)
[12:56] <rob^> whatever that means
[12:58] <restrex> rob^ wuaha!
[12:58] <rob^> care to translate? my spanish isn't so good..
[12:58] <restrex> that means: ... for that shit you pay internet=
[12:58] <restrex> that means: ... for that shit you pay internet?
[12:58] <restrex> xD
[12:58] <rob^> I thought it was something like that
[12:59] <restrex> rob^: what did you say there?
[01:07] <mpt> Are Chileans violently pro-Windows or something?
[01:08] <rob^> something like that
[01:12] <ryanthiessen> mpt: you planning to update your great ubuntu UI list for breezy?
[01:14] <rob^> oops now they banned me..
[02:14] <jdub> oh man
[02:15] <jdub> dude turns up on ubuntu-devel knowing how to sort out the ppc64 iso foo
[02:15] <jdub> that's brilliant
[02:15] <tseng> yeah i liked that
[02:15] <tseng> nice timing though
[02:16] <mjg59> Cocking Dell.
[02:17] <jdub> good morning cocking lovers!
[02:18] <tseng> i was eating, even
[02:18] <jdub> "The first Live-CD based on Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has appeared. Its name is Ging (for Ging Is Not Ging) and it includes a GNOME 2.10 desktop, Abiword, and a complete toolchain with gcc 4.0."
[02:18] <jdub> cool
[02:19] <Lathiat> jdub: yeh
[02:19] <Lathiat>  It stands for "Ging Is Not Ging". It is, to my knowledge, the
[02:19] <Lathiat>                  first recursive acronym with an implicit contradiction.
[02:20] <mjg59> You'd think something as simple as "Not breaking when someone presses the lid switch" would be within Dell's capatbilities
[02:20] <mjg59> But no!
[02:21] <tseng> mjg59: works on my 600m
[02:21] <tseng> mjg59: what kind of cockery are you speaking of?
[02:21] <mjg59> Instead it generates two video eventsplus the lid open event, and DOESN'T SWITCH THE BACKLIGHT ON
[02:21] <jdub> palindromic recursive acronym!
[02:22] <mpt> ryanthiessen: yes.
[02:22] <tseng> "hannah is a palindrom"
[02:22] <mjg59> Thanks, Dell. Thdell.
[02:31] <Lathiat> mjg59: what hardawre is this?
[02:32] <mjg59> D610, but one with Intel graphics
[02:58] <jdub> infinity: still there?
[03:36] <jdub> In the stock Debian configuration,
[03:36] <jdub> xrdb is called by gdm as part of the default session (three times), and
[03:36] <jdub> then again by gnome-settings-daemon.
[03:36] <jdub> ha ha
[03:36] <tseng> jdub: its good to be sure
[03:36] <luis_> cpp, baaaaabye
[03:40] <jdub> nup
[03:41] <Mitario> is elmo the only one who can give MOTUs upload privileges?
[03:41] <jdub> Mitario: yep, believe so
[03:41] <Mitario> hmm, okay
[03:41] <jdub> he controls the keyring
[03:42] <Mitario> ok
[03:44] <mjg59> And the vertical
[03:44] <mjg59> And the horizontal
[03:46] <jdub> ha ha
[03:46] <jdub> ha ha ha
[03:47] <jdub> mjg59: are you quoting uhf?
[03:47] <tgall> jdub, hey ya
[03:47] <jdub> whoa, dude
[03:47] <jdub> howdy :-)
[03:47] <jdub> tgall: your timing is impeccable
[03:48] <tgall> jdub, perfect timing!
[03:48] <jdub> i got the 710 a few days back
[03:48] <jdub> it's sitting on my coffee table
[03:48] <tgall> jdub, cool ...  how did you score one of those ?
[03:48] <jdub> it needs some serious ubuntu anti-depressants
[03:48] <tgall> heh ..  well no worries .. I know how to get it a rollin
[03:48] <jdub> local solutions company got ibm to give them one for us
[03:48] <tseng> tgall: hi
[03:49] <tgall> jdub, great
[03:49] <tgall> tseng, greetings
[03:49] <jdub> ah, i see from tgall's channels list that you two have background ;)
[03:49] <jdub> so is it in the cd build, or yaboot configuration?
[03:49] <tseng> `fg`
[03:49] <tgall> jdub, both!
[03:49] <jdub> d'oh! :)
[03:49] <tgall> jdub, and the console gets a little fun to setup
[03:50] <tgall> depending if you're running in a partition or not
[03:50] <jdub> oh right
[03:50] <tgall> so first things first!
[03:50] <jdub> i don't have an HMC to test
[03:50] <jdub> can i set up partitions in the hmc web thingy?
[03:50] <tgall> well no biggie ..  I've got access to hardware a plenty
[03:50] <tgall> umm yes you should be able to ... tho I haven't don't it personally but I'm fairly certain you can
[03:51] <tgall> s/don't/done/
[03:51] <jdub> (not that firefox can talk to it - will have to plug in my windows box)
[03:51] <tgall> hmm firefox should work
[03:51] <tseng> ogra!
[03:51] <jdub> it can't negotiate a cipher to use
[03:52] <tgall> jdub, anyway .. so to get a IBM chrp / hpa box to boot off of cd we need to put a little magic on the cd
[03:52] <tgall> in gentoo land we build isos so they can boot on pmac and ibm .. no reason why ubuntu can't either!
[03:53] <jdub> bonus
[03:53] <tgall> yeah ..  that's kinda my background .. I run the ppc64 port in gentoo land .. but don't hold it against me!  
[03:53] <tseng> you are safe as long as you convert immediately
[03:53] <jdub> haha
[03:54] <jdub> tseng: you survived :)
[03:54] <tseng> and sacrifice a virgin at the shrine of dpkg
[03:54] <tgall> tseng, I'm sure there are DNA fixing technologies to allow such things
[03:54] <jdub> tgall: actually, we found a method that doesn't involve in-place genetic modification
[03:54] <tgall> tseng, well my 4 way 604e box still runs debian .. I never converted it to gentoo
[03:54] <tseng> :)
[03:54] <tgall> jdub, does it involve beer ?
[03:55] <jdub> tgall: we're building a screensaver that downloads build logs and displays them, while pegging the CPU
[03:55] <jdub> ;-)
[03:55] <tgall> heh
[03:55] <tgall> jdub, ok so boot on chrp
[03:55] <tgall> (and this holds for both 32 and 64 bit ibm systems)
[03:55] <jdub> handy
[03:55] <tgall> this boxes all look for a file named ppc/bootinfo.txt
[03:56] <tseng> jdub: there is an apt-emerge or something that does exactly that
[03:56] <tgall> so assuming no one ever blasts their boot-device in open firmware it will look for that path on the cdrom
[03:56] <tgall> bootinfo.txt is a bootscript of sorts and if you like i can just dcc you one
[03:56] <tgall> waaaaay to much to dump here
[03:57] <jdub> i'll check the one on the opensuse cd
[03:57] <tgall> sure that works too
[03:57] <tgall> o wait .. do they have ppc support in opensuse yet ?
[03:57] <jdub> yeah
[03:57] <tgall> I didn't think they had started that effort yet
[03:57] <jdub> well, they've always had it internally
[03:58] <jdub> they've just started pushing it public
[03:58] <tgall> kudos to olaf and matze!
[03:58] <tgall> yes so grab that
[03:58] <tgall> inside the bootinfo.txt you'll see the following line
boot &device;:1,\ppc\chrp\yaboot</boot-script>
[03:58] <tgall> you can guess what that does :-)
[03:59] <jdub> haha, just opened one here
[03:59] <tgall> now .. one difference you might or might not have here is do you run addnote over your yaboot binary ?
[03:59] <jdub> xml boot scripts! brilliant!
[03:59] <jdub> hrm, dunno - addnote?
[03:59] <tgall> you need that on ppc64 boxen
[03:59] <jdub> ah, thus suse
[03:59] <jdub> ah, thus suse's yaboot.ibm
[03:59] <tseng> jdub: its extensible to a web service
[03:59] <tgall> basically throws a small header on the front
[04:00] <tgall> so I suspect you'll have two yaboots ..
[04:00] <tgall> but they can both read the same /etc/yaboot.conf file
[04:00] <jdub> yep
[04:00] <jdub> yaboot and yaboot.ibm
[04:00] <tgall> ok .. so the next bit of trivia is the various consoles
[04:01] <jdub> oh, and it has image[64bit]  yada in it
[04:01] <tgall> so like on a js20 powerblade, they use console=hvc0
[04:02] <tgall> the as far as pseries goes,  you've got ttyS0  or hvc0  or hvsi0!
[04:02] <tgall> that also covers new iseries as well
[04:02] <jdub> hrm
[04:02] <tgall> jdub, o and do you need the xserv magic as well ?
[04:03] <jdub> so suse don't seem to pass console params in yaboot.cnf
[04:03] <tgall> they might have something built into their kernel to figure it out
[04:03] <tgall> kernel.org kernels don't have that
[04:03] <tgall> :-/
[04:04] <jdub> oh
[04:04] <jdub> so, X magic?
[04:04] <jdub> couldn't find the device, even though it was quite happy with the mga driver
[04:04] <tgall> console=ttyS0,57600n1  <-- that's for xServ
[04:04] <tgall> jdub, ah ..  so you have the matrox card at least
[04:05] <jdub> yeah
[04:05] <tgall> jdub, on ppc64 hardware there aren't much for graphics solutions and with no agp ... it's slim pickins
[04:05] <jdub> oh, maybe i should try the breezy xorg
[04:05] <tgall> xorg and mga does work tho
[04:06] <tgall> least it does as a 64 bit binary .. but it should work 32 bit
[04:06] <jdub> so the detection works fine
[04:06] <tgall> you MIGHT need one kernel param tho depending on what level of kernel you have
[04:06] <jdub> but trying to run it, the mga driver can't find a device
[04:06] <jdub> oh
[04:06] <jdub> heh
[04:06] <tgall> yeah for a long long time the memory detection on the cards has been mega screwed up
[04:07] <tgall> kernel just needs to be slapped
[04:07] <tgall> I think ianr submitted the correct kernel code upstream .. if he didn't tho, I have the patch for that
[04:07] <jdub> ok, so have to find suse patches for console detection and X memory foo :)
[04:07] <tgall> umm let me fire up my power3 box .. half a mo
[04:08] <tgall_foo> guess i'll chat from here for a sec
[04:11] <tgall_foo> jdub, so any idea which matrox card you have?
[04:12] <jdub> g400
[04:12] <tseng> arent you fancy
[04:12] <tgall_foo> jdub, I have a GXT130P   so yeah you're a 135P then
[04:12] <tgall_foo> you might be ok .. 
[04:13] <tgall_foo> for the 130 series you definitely need video=matroxfb:1280x1024@60,memtype:3
[04:13] <tgall_foo> basically sets up the cards other 6 meg
[04:13] <jdub> aha
[04:13] <tgall_foo> if you don't do that, then xorg tries to run thinking it has 8 megs of memory in only 2
[04:13] <jdub> i will try it in a minute (710 takes a while to boot...)
[04:14] <tgall_foo> and you get a big screen of angry fruit salad
[04:17] <tgall> tseng, jdub : do either of you have pointers to the tools and such that you use to build isos ?  ...  (tseng : least assuming there's something similiar to catalyst)
[04:18] <jdub> debian-cd
[04:18] <jdub> but i think ours is pretty thoroughly hacked up
[04:18] <tgall> ah ..
[04:19] <tseng> tgall: ive not built an install cd
[04:19] <tseng> tgall: we have some pretty decent community docs on livecd building
[04:19] <luis_> he means 'most excellent'
[04:19] <luis_> :)
[04:19] <tgall> cool  just what I need .. as you might imagine I'm a bit interested walking down that road 
[04:20] <tseng> it doesnt smoke crack like catalyst
[04:20] <tseng> but its more manual
[04:20] <tseng> the gist is you get an old iso, unpack it somewhere, edit, repackage
[04:20] <tgall> heh ...  yeah catalyst requires the stroking of other people's ego so they will share the magic ...    
[04:20] <tseng> meh
[04:20] <tgall> aweful way to run a project
[04:20] <tseng> i wrote a wrapper script
[04:20] <luis_> we're all about the wiki love here
[04:21] <tseng> to the supposed end all wrapper
[04:21] <jdub> tseng: hrm, that's not how the cd builds themselves work
[04:21] <tseng> jdub: LiveCDCustomizationHowtoForLife(LessThenThreeLuisVilla4)
[04:21] <jdub> but that's post-build
[04:21] <tseng> indeed.
[04:22] <tseng> is the real process documented outside the d-i cabal?
[04:23] <jdub> debian-cd is around somewhere
[04:23] <jdub> unfortunately kamion isn't here
[04:23] <tgall> hmm so any suggestions as far jury rigging the installer from a chroot since obvious the install cd isn't feeling well yet ?
[04:23] <jdub> he would be the most useful person to speak to about all of this
[04:48] <Mitario> byebye everyone nite
[04:48] <jdub> night Mitario 
[04:48] <Mitario> that evil BBB slipped my sight!
[04:54] <tgall> there ... on the motu candidate list now ....  
[04:58] <jdub> tgall: rock!
[05:59] <jdub> tgall: awesomely fast i/o subsystem on these things
[06:06] <jsgotangco> what a sucky weekend
[06:08] <tgall> jdub, yes very!  
[06:13] <rob^> has anyone else had problems with the nvidia drivers in the breezy repos?
[06:14] <jdub> rob^: such as?
[06:15] <rob^> I have them installed and lsmod shows they are loaded
[06:15] <rob^> but 3d is painfully slow still
[06:15] <jdub> you're definitely using the nvidia driver?
[06:15] <rob^> yes
[06:16] <rob^> its in xorg.conf, the logo shows up on startup
[06:17] <jdub> hmm
[06:17] <jdub> daniels will know
[06:17] <crimsun> what does glxinfo|grep ^direct say?
[06:17] <rob^> direct rendering: Yes
[06:18] <crimsun> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status  -> #flood
[06:19] <rob^> done
[06:19] <rob^> don't you have to remove Load "GLcore" from xorg.conf?
[06:20] <crimsun> that should have been done by nvidia-glx-config
[06:20] <rob^> hmm seems it wasnt
[06:21] <rob^> brb I'll remove it and see what happens
[06:23] <rob^> yep, thats all it was
[06:23] <crimsun> k, b.u.c. time
[06:24] <rob^> I removed Load "dri" and Load "GLcore"
[06:24] <rob^> k thanks
[06:24] <tgall> s/jdub/hopes jdub
[06:33] <jdub> oh sweet baby jebus
[06:33] <jdub> how do i remove langpacks without regenerating locales?
[06:46] <tgall> well night ...  
[06:48] <jdub> gute nacht!
[06:51] <LaserLine> Is there a tool for checking BAD SECTORS on the hard drive ?
[06:53] <jdub> LaserLine: badblocks
[08:53] <pcmanlin> who can tell me whether unionfs will be used in breezy-livecd?
[08:54] <pcmanlin> just be used in breezy-livecd, about install cd?
[09:00] <fabbione> pcmanlin: no
[09:00] <fabbione> unionfs is terribly unstable
[09:18] <Burgundavia> ogra, you seen this? It is a Fedora SoC project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pootypedia/
[09:45] <Mithrandir> elmo: could you please sync mercurial?
[10:41] <sivang> morning all
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> morning
[10:42] <frans-th> afternoon here :P
[10:42] <Treenaks> hey sivang 
[10:43] <sivang> hey Treenaks , hows the laptop testing going?
[10:44] <Treenaks> sivang: very well
[10:44] <sivang> main uploading people - anybody for reviwing my pkg and upload it?
[10:44] <Treenaks> I love the 1920x1200 res :)
[10:44] <sivang> Treenaks: you managed to get over that annoying kbd layout ? :)
[10:44] <Treenaks> hard to live without it on my old laptop
[10:44] <Treenaks> yeah.. still getting used to it, but I'll manage ;)
[10:49] <frans-th> i use my NEC m540, wide screen, ubuntu know it well :) without any driver, except the sllink modem, 1280x800 :)
[10:55] <hunger> My laptop (IBM T43p) seems somewhat more stable now... I switched to a homemade 2.6.13-rc7 kernel and the new ATI proprietary drivers.
[10:56] <hunger> The latter seem to make a difference... but the first is said to have some SATA fixes which might improve stability for me as well.
[10:57] <hunger> The box runs for about 6h straight now... with the ubuntu kernel it crashes after about 3 if I am lucky. Sometimes it crashes before it booted up properly.
[10:58] <hunger> Now: Any ideas how to debug the "udev does not create /dev/input/mice" problem?
[10:59] <Treenaks> hunger: change loglevel to "info" in /etc/udev/udev.conf
[10:59] <mdke> hunger, i have a T43, haven't had any problems on standard breezy, perhaps it is a different model?
[11:01] <Treenaks> the "usb mouse doesn't do scroll events" bug is known?
[11:01] <hunger> mdke: Does it have PCIe and SATA?
[11:02] <mdke> yes i think so
[11:02] <mdke> i had an email from someone who had random crashes, he blamed it on the wifi chip iirc
[11:03] <hunger> mdke: Mine is unusable in standard breezy.
[11:04] <hunger> mdke: It is not the WLAN chip: I only installed the driver for that yesterday.
[11:04] <mdke> hunger, surely the driver is in the breezy kernel
[11:04] <hunger> mdke: My box crashes on graphics ops and whenever it has lots of HDD or ethernet activity.
[11:04] <mdke> hunger, anyhow check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43 and see if you can find anything useful
[11:05] <hunger> mdke: Nope... in linux-restricted-modules and that is broken.
[11:05] <mdke> the guy who reported the crashes is the second one in the list on that wiki page
[11:05] <hunger> mdke: Or maybe it was just my config of it that was... dunno. It did give warnings on modprobe though.
[11:06] <mdke> anyway this is kinda off topic for this channel
[11:06] <mdke> go to #ubuntu-laptop
[11:06] <hunger> mdke: I just wanted to report my findings to the kernel people.
[11:08] <mdke> hunger, they might not be awake, better use bugzilla or #ubuntu-kernel
[11:09] <hunger> mdke: ubuntu has way too many channels here!
[11:39] <robotgeek> hi, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1138 is marked as fixed, but i still get the same error. i filed a new bug at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1926 referencing the old one.
[11:56] <siretart> robotgeek: this seems a universe package, please join #ubuntu-motu for that
[11:56] <robotgeek> siretart: okay...sorry :) 
[02:48] <sivang> jdub: ping , dude you there?
[02:50] <tseng> hi sivang 
[02:50] <jdub> sivang: yeah
[02:50] <jdub> sivang: i have ubuntu booting on this sucker now
[02:50] <jdub> sivang: got some help from tgall with the cd booting foo
[02:51] <jdub> will be very helpful when kamion's back
[02:51] <Treenaks> when will he be back btw?
[02:51] <jdub> dunno
[02:53] <sivang> jdub: wow cool
[02:53] <mjg59> Should be this week
[02:53] <mirak> hi
[02:54] <sivang> jdub: I was about to try that now , then guess there's no need :) What did you have to do in order to make it boot?
[02:54] <OculusAquilae> hi mirak
[02:54] <mirak> is breezy a bit more stable, kind of like debian unstable or is it still as unstable as breezy just after hoary was final ?
[02:54] <jdub> sivang: i unpacked the livecd onto a different disk, currently using suse's yaboot to boot it
[02:54] <OculusAquilae> my breezy (kubuntu) is running very good mirak
[02:54] <jdub> mirak: breezy has almost reach preview release
[02:55] <OculusAquilae> s/is running/runs
[02:55] <jdub> mirak: it is not like debian sid - we stabilise our development branch for release
[02:55] <mirak> ok, in fact I was using hoary already before it was final, it was "ok", though when hoary was final, I tried breezy but it was really awfull lol
[02:56] <jdub> we always make the biggest changes at the beginning of the development process, so that makes sense
[02:56] <sivang> jdub: I see, nice, then I am still going to try find the right flags to be used in our image build scripts to make a bootable image, since you just workaround the problem for the meanwhile :)
[02:56] <jdub> it is almost always dogfoodable though
[02:56] <OculusAquilae> mirak: it was a new version then, with many changes at the beginning
[02:56] <mirak> ok, so I will give it a shot
[02:56] <jdub> sivang: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=U&start=2&q=http://penguinppc.org/ppc64/power-bootable-iso/&e=42
[02:56] <mirak> if it breaks everything it will be a good occasion to switch to ubuntu amd 64
[02:57] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[02:57] <mirak> I run ubuntu on two macs
[02:57] <OculusAquilae> i don't like ubuntu on amd64
[02:57] <mirak> G3 and G4
[02:57] <OculusAquilae> ah
[02:57] <sivang> jdub: anyway, can you review and sponser my new pkg of gnome-panel ? (launchpad integration included)
[02:57] <mirak> OculusAquilae: what's wrong ?
[02:57] <jdub> sivang: i'll leave that for seb
[02:57] <sivang> ah ok, 
[02:57] <sivang> np
[02:57] <OculusAquilae> mirak: with media codecs etc
[02:58] <mirak> OculusAquilae: yes that's what I have heard
[02:58] <mirak> I should have created a second partition
[02:58] <OculusAquilae> i think its possible to change it
[02:58] <mirak> I mean a second system partition
[02:58] <mirak> OculusAquilae: resize ?
[02:58] <Mitario> elmo, ping
[02:59] <OculusAquilae> mirak: no, the bad media-support in amd64
[02:59] <OculusAquilae> but i don't know how it changed in breezy
[03:01] <sivang> jdub: thx for the howto. /me reading it now
[03:02] <mirak> OculusAquilae: I have read that gentoo have some workarounds for this
[03:02] <mirak> mmm
[03:02] <OculusAquilae> you could simply compile the media apps in 32-bit
[03:09] <sivang> jdub: so how's breezy working on the hardware? have you found any userland issues yet?
[03:10] <jdub> sivang: sorting through an X issue with daniels
[03:10] <jdub> haven't fully upgraded to breezy yet
[03:10] <jdub> but otherwise running ok
[03:12] <Snark> jdub: fixed font issues?
[03:13] <jdub> no
[03:13] <jdub> pci domain on powerpc issues
[03:15] <Snark> oh... powerpc...
[03:25] <HiddenWolf> *grumble* nvidia driver is hosed for me.
[03:29] <shackan> after last upgrade nautilus icons are gone (every file has the default 'file' icon) and it crashes quite often
[03:31] <sivang> jdub: you're booting the live fs on another disk, from a the opensuse yaboot prompt?
[03:31] <jdub> sivang: i added a section to it in suse's lilo.conf (which its lilo command turns into yaboot.conf)
[03:36] <sivang> jdub: nice, so the fs system you're booting is already on one of the SCSI hard drives?
[03:36] <jdub> yeah
[03:37] <jdub> i just blatted the livecd fs on it
[03:40] <sivang> jdub: then it seems that what we now need is only (1) a bootable install cd that's able to boot, and (2) through testing to get certified, seems like we can get a certified version in no time :)
[03:42] <mirak> is ther gnome 2.12 or approaching in breezy ?
[03:42] <jdub> fingers crossed
[03:42] <jdub> mirak: our devel branches always icnlude the gnome devel branch
[03:42] <mirak> nice
[03:43] <mirak> and e17 ?
[03:43] <mirak> I m kidding
[03:45] <jdub> don't think anyone's got around to it yet
[03:45] <jdub> ideally it would be in universe
[03:45] <luis_> someone was talking about doing it.
[03:47] <mirak> I want expos in gnome
[03:48] <mirak> seems apple have patented it
[04:04] <JanC> mirak: there is expocity ?  :)
[04:04] <mirak> it sucks
[04:05] <mirak> come on
[04:05] <mirak> have you ever tried expos  ? ;)
[04:09] <jdub> expocity is limited by the functionality available to us
[04:10] <jdub> once we've got COMPOSITE running everywhere, expocity will fall into place (and fairly likely into metacity itself)
[04:11] <sivang> jdub: that's what cairo will enable us, right? (and the rationale behind the transition)
[04:11] <jdub> not really
[04:11] <jdub> COMPOSITE and possibly Xgl
[04:12] <mjg59> It's sort of orthogonal
[04:12] <jdub> cairo could be used for transformations
[04:12] <jdub> but it's not enormously related
[04:12] <mjg59> Cairo buys us the primitives to use Composite at the toolkit level
[04:12] <mjg59> Something like expose could be done as well at the raw composite level
[04:13] <mjg59> Remember that not all your windows will necessarily be built with cairo-using toolkits
[04:13] <luis_> blasphemer
[04:13] <luis_> ;)
[04:13] <sivang> mjg59: ah I see
[04:41] <sivang> jdub: do you know if debian-cd build scripts putt stuff from the net, or require everything to be on disk?
[04:41] <jdub> not sure
[04:45] <siretart> err, is ftp://upload.ubuntu.com really down?
[04:50] <HiddenWolf> I have a case of evince showing half a pdf. i guess that should go upstream?
[04:51] <luis_> probably to poppler in fd.o
[04:51] <HiddenWolf> luis_, where can I find this?
[04:52] <luis_> bugzilla.freedesktop.org
[04:55] <luis_> getting an account is not hard :)
[04:56] <HiddenWolf> no, but it's annoying.
[05:16] <tgall> morning
[05:29] <bur[n] er> i'm not sure if this is proper to talk about here, but seems like rhythmbox doesn't work on my desktop, but does on my laptop... both the latest breezy  I've dumped ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox to try to remedy, but I still get errors.  I've tried to run as root to no avail as well.  Anyone know something about this?  if not, i'll bug report the lil info i have
[05:30] <bur[n] er> also... on running, I get "the program has quit unexpectedly"  restart, close, inform developers... but I get no terminal output whatsoever, so I'm not sure hte problem
[05:46] <sivang> hey pitti , 'sup ?
[05:47] <pitti> Hi sivang 
[05:47] <Laur>  /msg nickserv help
[05:47] <sivang> pitti: do you have a couple of minutes?
[05:47] <pitti> sivang: just returned from a marriage party, quick mail check and then off to swimming :-)
[05:48] <pitti> sivang: well, yes
[05:48] <sivang> pitti: ah cool, then happy pool time :)
[05:48] <sivang> pitti: never mind, I have something I wanted someone to review it, but it's probably better left for seb to do
[06:08] <pitti> sjoerd: thanks for your hal work
[06:09] <siretart> does anyone know whats going on with ftp://upload.ubuntu.com?
[06:17] <bur[n] er> nope
[06:18] <sivang> morning tgall :)
[06:19] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, around?
[06:33] <Coyctecm> toimaa =)
[06:34] <Coyctecm> Sain takas on alkup. kursoriteeman. Se musta perinteinen, musta kaikista paras. =)
[06:35] <tepsipakki> vr kanava?
[06:35] <tepsipakki> ;)
[06:35] <Coyctecm> sorry...wrong channel...
[06:35] <opi> I hope you don't bad mouth us ;->
[06:36] <Coyctecm> yes I was writing in #ubuntu.fi
[06:36] <Coyctecm> :D
[06:36] <HiddenWolf> Finnish?
[06:36] <Coyctecm> yes
[06:36] <tepsipakki> har har
[06:36] <Coyctecm> :D
[07:02] <mjg59> Argh GPL violating modem drivers
[07:03] <mjr> fun fun fun
[08:02] <j^> oh why is there not sane dvd/cd burn program for gnome in ubuntu
[08:02] <Lathiat> j^: define sane
[08:02] <Lathiat> j^: nautilus works good for me..
[08:03] <j^> sane: burn on the fly, set title of disk
[08:03] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: ping
[08:04] <ogra_ltsp> sivang, pong ?
[08:04] <j^> have 3 diffrent image layouts and burn them in random order several times, without creating iso images
[08:05] <Lathiat> yuo can set the title
[08:05] <Lathiat> as for burning on the fly
[08:05] <Lathiat> it doesnt do that
[08:05] <Lathiat> thats a nice feature of growisofs
[08:06] <j^> burn on the fly is essential
[08:06] <j^> i do not have an extra 10GB on my disk
[08:06] <Lathiat> quite
[08:09] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: do you know if debian-cd expects the whole archive to be on disk?
[08:10] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: (that is, if you are using it to create edubutnu)
[08:10] <ogra_ltsp> sivang, nope, i use the ubuntu infrastructure, i dont even know he backend
[08:10] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: ah, whre is the ubuntu infrastrucute / where can I find the frontned?
[08:11] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: I want to try pass different mkisofs options to the ubuntu image creation process for ppc64
[08:12] <ogra_ltsp> i have a seedlist that gets automatically synced and the edubuntu metapackages, thats the only influence i can take without Kamion mdz can trigger the builds additionally
[08:12] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: ah I see
[08:13] <sivang> mdz: ping, you here?
[08:13] <ogra_ltsp> sivang, but i guess there are some howtos out there for debian-cd
[08:16] <sivang> ogra_ltsp: yes , there are, the problem is they are bit vaugh regarding the archive itself, I'll try rereading the README
[08:18] <sivang> well, looks like I need to mirror the whole archive locally
[08:19] <j^> Lathiat and it would be nice to be able to configure the default diskname
[09:24] <tgall> greets
[09:32] <mdz> sivang: yes?
[10:57] <xhaker> elmo, scite?
[11:30] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: yes?
[11:31] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, never mind. Thought my soundcard screwed up again, but it was human error.
[11:31] <crimsun> k