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| j^ | slomo, now build with two pbuilders, and my last try for this week http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ | 12:14 |
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| slomo | ok, i'll take a look :) | 12:14 |
| slomo | and sorry for the hassles with the diff.gz ;) | 12:15 |
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| j^ | we will see how that turns out ;/ | 12:20 |
| slomo | j^: ok, package is fine with me :) | 12:24 |
| slomo | j^: but some manpages for all the binaries would be fine... but that's no must ;) | 12:25 |
| tseng | it sort of is | 12:26 |
| tseng | but not really | 12:26 |
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| slomo | tseng: well it's just a lintian _warning_, no error | 12:26 |
| slomo | tseng: and we have soooo many packages without manpage | 12:26 |
| slomo | j^: just write one for your next release... look a bit into docbook for this ;) | 12:27 |
| j^ | sure | 12:29 |
| j^ | but now i have to go back the the pkg-config bug... | 12:29 |
| slomo | what pkg-config bug? the segfault one? ;) | 12:30 |
| j^ | i have to use it with mingw32 and if i have more than one pathin PKG_CONFIG_PATH its removes \ | 12:30 |
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| slomo | crimsun: will you look at liferea and adonthell later? :) | 12:38 |
| crimsun | slomo: I will; I have them bookmarked | 12:39 |
| slomo | crimsun: thanks :) just wanted to be sure you haven't forgotten them... hmm... i really need elmo to finally add my key to the upload keyring :( | 12:41 |
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| slomo | tseng: tell me how it is when it works :) | 12:42 |
| tseng | yeah.. right | 12:42 |
| slomo | do you plan to package it now already for breezy? | 12:42 |
| tseng | checking for GST... checking for GST... configure: error: Install gstreamer, gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-gconf, gstreamer-interfaces, and gstreamer-play | 12:43 |
| tseng | wth is this | 12:43 |
| tseng | slomo: no way | 12:43 |
| slomo | it needs gst-sharp which currently is only in the mono svn | 12:43 |
| tseng | false | 12:43 |
| slomo | i doesn't hmm | 12:43 |
| tseng | that was months ago | 12:43 |
| slomo | then they've changed that ;) | 12:43 |
| tseng | it now has its own gst binding | 12:43 |
| tseng | or.. helix | 12:43 |
| tseng | these guys smoke the hard stuff | 12:43 |
| slomo | iihh... helix | 12:43 |
| slomo | well their gst bindings only can be better than gst-sharp... i played a bit with gst-sharp and already found enough rough edges :/ | 12:45 |
| tseng | yes | 12:45 |
| tseng | it was total crack | 12:45 |
| tseng | i dont like how abock develops | 12:46 |
| tseng | he rolls all the depends into his source | 12:46 |
| tseng | entagged, burn-sharp, hal-sharp | 12:46 |
| slomo | who's abock? | 12:46 |
| tseng | the author | 12:46 |
| tseng | of sonance | 12:47 |
| slomo | oh ok... hm, maybe we shall write him a mail to release the other stuff independend of sonace ;) | 12:47 |
| tseng | erm | 12:48 |
| tseng | you can do that until you turn blue | 12:48 |
| tseng | he really believes this is the best way | 12:48 |
| slomo | does he have some arguments? hm... maybe we shall fork the stuff then and release it independend to force him? ;P | 12:49 |
| tseng | haha | 12:49 |
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| tseng | well alot of the stuff has crazy api | 12:49 |
| tseng | and has no real release | 12:49 |
| tseng | so you cant depend on it working from one day to the next on its own | 12:50 |
| slomo | entagged is this tag reading/writing library completly written in c#? (btw, why don't he use gst for this?!) | 12:51 |
| tseng | sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse | 12:51 |
| tseng | wee! | 12:51 |
| tseng | slomo: entagged is very fast | 12:51 |
| tseng | slomo: gst is very slow, and needs to be wrapped | 12:51 |
| tseng | i thought the same thing at first, but i like entagged now | 12:51 |
| tseng | cowbell, dopi, muine, sonance will all use it | 12:52 |
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| slomo | ok, right... gst is really slow for reading tags... but now a user has to update gst AND entagged to use his new media format :/ | 12:52 |
| tseng | well adding my entire collection of music to muine or dopi is a lot faster | 12:53 |
| tseng | which i do much more often than start ripping new oddball formats | 12:53 |
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| donsmith | How do I file a bug against a universe package? | 12:53 |
| crimsun | launchpad.net/malone | 12:54 |
| tseng | slomo: hm the meta package doesnt depend on -lame? | 12:54 |
| slomo | tseng: Depends: libgstreamer0.8-0, libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0, libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0, gstreamer0.8-plugin-apps, gstreamer0.8-faac, gstreamer0.8-faad, gstreamer0.8-lame, gstreamer0.8-wavpack, gstreamer0.8-dirac, gstreamer0.8-xvid | 12:54 |
| slomo | tseng: it does here | 12:55 |
| tseng | gstreamer0.8-lame is already the newest version. | 12:55 |
| tseng | oh | 12:55 |
| tseng | it must be leftover | 12:55 |
| === tseng gets your | ||
| tseng | s | 12:55 |
| tseng | nice work | 12:55 |
| tseng | now my boss can rip in sound-juicer without making a big fuss | 12:56 |
| tseng | you should have seen him try that on FC3 | 12:56 |
| slomo | thanks :) i hope everything works correctly... i haven't tested the faac, lame, xvid, dirac and wavpack plugin ;) | 12:56 |
| tseng | he wanted to add the gst yum repo | 12:56 |
| tseng | and jeez | 12:56 |
| slomo | why don't he just use ogg vorbis? | 12:56 |
| tseng | there is a bug in yum using a proxy | 12:56 |
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| tseng | they havent issued a fix after all this time | 12:57 |
| tseng | xvid i might have something for | 12:57 |
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| tseng | argl that mythtv box is unreachable | 12:58 |
| slomo | btw... did you try thoggen? it seems really nice... but doesn't compile :( | 12:58 |
| tseng | the dvd ripper, yes? | 12:58 |
| slomo | yes | 12:58 |
| slomo | which only supports theora atm ;) | 12:58 |
| tseng | theora is nice | 12:58 |
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| tseng | but how is it for high quality stuff? | 12:58 |
| slomo | i haven't tried it yet :/ | 12:59 |
| tseng | http://www.thebroken.org/ | 12:59 |
| slomo | maybe i should fix thoggen and rip one dvd of mine ;) | 12:59 |
| tseng | i think this is xvid | 12:59 |
| tseng | or similar | 12:59 |
| slomo | at least some mpeg4 stuff | 12:59 |
| ryanthiessen | thoggen is *great*, but theora encoding is terribly slow | 01:00 |
| tseng | hm | 01:00 |
| ryanthiessen | but it's the ripper with the best A/V sync I've found for linux, and works great with Ubuntu (need to compile your own for breezy though) | 01:01 |
| slomo | ryanthiessen: how did you compile it for breezy? our hal is too new for thoggen :/ | 01:01 |
| ryanthiessen | slomo: I built from cvs on two boxes.... | 01:02 |
| slomo | ah ok, i only tried the last release | 01:02 |
| ryanthiessen | yeah, the 0.3 tarball doesn't build because of hal problems | 01:02 |
| slomo | hmm... maybe i'll package the cvs version for breezy ;) | 01:02 |
| ryanthiessen | I wrote the thoggen-users list asking if they could release 0.4 in time for breezy but no response, and the cvs version still lists as v0.3 but I guess you could tweak that | 01:03 |
| tseng | Desktop/thebroken2.avi.part: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 432 x 320, ~30 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz) | 01:05 |
| tseng | i am playing this with gstreamer | 01:06 |
| slomo | gst-ffmpeg also decodes divx/mpeg4 | 01:06 |
| tseng | ok | 01:06 |
| tseng | yeah | 01:06 |
| tseng | its ffmpeg | 01:06 |
| slomo | apt-get remove gst-ffmpeg ? ;) | 01:07 |
| tseng | i did | 01:07 |
| tseng | doesnt play with xvid | 01:07 |
| tseng | well, it plays layer 3 only | 01:07 |
| tseng | no video | 01:07 |
| slomo | hmm | 01:07 |
| slomo | try gst-launch-ext on the avi | 01:07 |
| tseng | gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink } | 01:08 |
| tseng | works nice | 01:08 |
| tseng | gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink } | 01:08 |
| tseng | w/o ffmpeg | 01:08 |
| tseng | hah it uses it anyway | 01:08 |
| tseng | or tries | 01:08 |
| slomo | yes... the decodebin ;) | 01:09 |
| slomo | ok, works for me :) | 01:10 |
| donsmith | I can't get tome to play mp4s from archive.org is that right? | 01:15 |
| donsmith | the video comes out choppy, and it can't read the audio | 01:16 |
| slomo | donsmith: tome? | 01:16 |
| donsmith | totem, sorry | 01:16 |
| slomo | oh... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-faad | 01:16 |
| slomo | or do you already have this? | 01:16 |
| donsmith | it's installed already, do I have to rebuild the plugin registry? | 01:17 |
| slomo | no... normally not... | 01:17 |
| slomo | but try running gst-register-0.8 | 01:17 |
| slomo | does this help? | 01:17 |
| slomo | and give me a link to the mp4 :) | 01:18 |
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| donsmith | http://www.archive.org/details/isforAto1953 | 01:19 |
| donsmith | running gst-register doesn't seem to do anything | 01:19 |
| donsmith | it's the 256k one | 01:19 |
| slomo | ok, i'll take a look | 01:19 |
| donsmith | thanks | 01:19 |
| slomo | uhh.. archive.org is slow :( | 01:20 |
| tseng | i think the totem plugin is broken for me | 01:20 |
| slomo | donsmith: a do you use the totem plugin or did you download it? | 01:20 |
| slomo | donsmith: because the totem plugin is broken for me too ;) | 01:20 |
| tseng | is that dbus, glitz, xorg? | 01:22 |
| tseng | or just plain broken | 01:22 |
| slomo | probably plain broken... it never worked for me ;) | 01:23 |
| tseng | i used it happily for some time | 01:23 |
| ryanthiessen | it's working with breezy's totem-xine of a very recent vintage, though you may have to tweak some settings in gconf | 01:24 |
| ryanthiessen | specifically the max buffer setting, something like that | 01:25 |
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| slomo | donsmith: doesn't work for me even after downloading it... and in mplayer it says: 'FAAD: Failed to decode frame: Unexpected channel configuration change' | 01:26 |
| tseng | faad? | 01:27 |
| tseng | interesting mix | 01:27 |
| slomo | yes... probably aac audio | 01:27 |
| slomo | and as faad2 is unmaintained upstream afaik (author works now for ahead) this probably won't get fixed :/ | 01:27 |
| tseng | ahead nero? | 01:28 |
| slomo | yes... he's working on the aac encoder there | 01:28 |
| tseng | cant wait to get aac in entagged | 01:28 |
| slomo | hehe... doesn't help in this case :/ | 01:29 |
| tseng | well i cant ship any aac support in muine as is | 01:29 |
| tseng | libmuine would have to link to faad | 01:29 |
| tseng | which is multiverse | 01:29 |
| tseng | with entagged (no faad) and gstreamer plugin | 01:29 |
| slomo | it only needs faad for the tags? | 01:29 |
| tseng | you are set | 01:29 |
| tseng | yes | 01:29 |
| slomo | oh ok | 01:29 |
| tseng | it would be completely optional | 01:30 |
| tseng | by installing gstreamer0.8-faad | 01:30 |
| slomo | hm but we really need someone working again on faad and faac :/ | 01:30 |
| tseng | no one is that crazy | 01:30 |
| ryanthiessen | are the faad/faac issues patent related or copyright? | 01:31 |
| slomo | why? there are also people working on wmv (in ffmpeg), dts (libdts), mp3 (lame), mpeg4 (xvid) | 01:31 |
| slomo | ryanthiessen: patent | 01:31 |
| tseng | faad is really crappy | 01:32 |
| tseng | as youve noticed | 01:32 |
| slomo | but it's the only thing we have for aac decoding :/ | 01:33 |
| slomo | hmm... cool | 01:34 |
| slomo | there a some checkins in the faad2 cvs by menno and some other guy at nero | 01:34 |
| slomo | s/some/one/ | 01:35 |
| slomo | hm, maybe i'll update the faad2 package tomorrow | 01:35 |
| tseng | elite | 01:36 |
| slomo | same for faac | 01:36 |
| slomo | uh | 01:40 |
| slomo | faad2 has a new license clause | 01:40 |
| slomo | " | 01:40 |
| slomo | Software using this code must display the following message visibly in the software: | 01:40 |
| slomo | "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com" | 01:40 |
| slomo | in, for example, the about-box or help/startup screen. " | 01:40 |
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| slomo | which makes it GPL incompatible and probably not ubuntu compatible... tseng? | 01:41 |
| tseng | um wow | 01:41 |
| tseng | i dont know about that one | 01:41 |
| slomo | that's in the cvs... 2.0 doesn't have this | 01:42 |
| slomo | (i hope) | 01:42 |
| slomo | nope, it doesn't... | 01:43 |
| ryanthiessen | what was the 2.0 license? | 01:44 |
| slomo | plain GPL-2 | 01:44 |
| slomo | cvs is GPL-2 + this additional clause... | 01:44 |
| === tseng has graham crackers for dinner | ||
| slomo | hehe... | 01:45 |
| === slomo has a beer :) | ||
| ryanthiessen | hrm, how can they change the license like that, unless they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them? | 01:45 |
| tseng | they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them? | 01:46 |
| tseng | its been done | 01:46 |
| slomo | no idea | 01:47 |
| tseng | http://diva.mdk.org.pl/ | 01:48 |
| tseng | there is definately some cool stuff coming for breezy+1 | 01:48 |
| slomo | yeah i saw that already :) | 01:48 |
| slomo | hmm... that license change really annoys me *grmpf* | 01:50 |
| tseng | its already multiverse so.. | 01:50 |
| slomo | tseng: sure but this change would disallow a gst-plugin for example | 01:51 |
| tseng | "the place where the bad toys go" | 01:51 |
| slomo | how can the gst-plugin show the string? | 01:51 |
| tseng | beats me | 01:51 |
| slomo | so we must stay with 2.0 until hell freezes over and someone forks faad 2.0 or writes his own aac decoder... | 01:51 |
| tseng | you could put it in the manpage | 01:51 |
| tseng | they arent very specific on that point | 01:52 |
| slomo | "display the following message visibly in the software"... manpage != software imho :( | 01:52 |
| slomo | hm, donsmith gave me a link to a aac decoder by real... https://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/datatype/aac/fileformat/ | 01:52 |
| slomo | but this has another funny license ;) | 01:53 |
| Lathiat | how bout write the author and tell them they are a d**kh**d ;p | 01:53 |
| slomo | Lathiat: i wouldn't be the first to do that... there's a thread in their forum and in another forum of a software which uses faad2 ;) | 01:53 |
| Lathiat | well you make a thrid | 01:54 |
| Lathiat | and i'll make a 4th :) | 01:54 |
| slomo | ok... and tseng the third? ;) | 01:55 |
| slomo | err... fifth | 01:55 |
| Lathiat | hehe | 01:55 |
| tseng | um | 01:55 |
| tseng | whatever dudes | 01:55 |
| Lathiat | haha | 01:55 |
| slomo | Lathiat: what email address do you want? mbakker@nero.com is the main author | 01:55 |
| Lathiat | nero.com.. interestign | 01:56 |
| slomo | hehe... that's probably the problem... | 01:56 |
| slomo | i think ahead doesn't want them to work on another aac project when they don't get the credit for it... | 01:57 |
| slomo | so it must display "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com" somewhere | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | afternoon | 02:00 |
| tseng | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005081526127.gif | 02:01 |
| slomo | lol | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | so f-spot 0.1.1 is in sid | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | no users screaming at me yet | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | so it's probably safe to sync | 02:03 |
| tseng | sounds good to me | 02:03 |
| slomo | ajmitch: does it already use gtk#2? | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | slomo: yes | 02:03 |
| slomo | ah wonderfull :) | 02:03 |
| tseng | maybe by breezy+1 we can kill gtk# 1 | 02:03 |
| tseng | that would be a good deal | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | the depends are fairly tight with it though | 02:03 |
| slomo | tseng: how's your progress on gtk# 2.3.90? maybe we should wait for the sync until you're finished with it | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | so we'll have to check how it goes with 2.3.90 | 02:04 |
| tseng | im running it here | 02:04 |
| tseng | ajmitch: WFM | 02:04 |
| tseng | i really want to talk to meebey still | 02:04 |
| tseng | he is MIA | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | yeah, will do | 02:04 |
| tseng | i have asked him a dozen questions | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | does it fix the drive widget in the import dialog? | 02:04 |
| tseng | yes | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | yay | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | how the hell did that happen anyway :) | 02:04 |
| slomo | tseng: MIA? | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | missing in action | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | gone, vanished | 02:05 |
| slomo | tseng: so you have it ready, just waiting on your harddrive for meebey's answers? ;) fine... hopefully he returns tomorrow or monday :) | 02:05 |
| tseng | yes | 02:06 |
| tseng | i like to coordinate with meebey | 02:06 |
| tseng | we are a team | 02:06 |
| tseng | if he doesnt like it, i do it anyway | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | the pkg-mono crack team | 02:06 |
| tseng | but at least i give him first option :) | 02:06 |
| slomo | lol | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | haha | 02:06 |
| slomo | what have you done that he possibly don't like? ;) | 02:07 |
| tseng | gtkhtml | 02:07 |
| tseng | firefox | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | tseng: dropped gtkhtml < 3.8? | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | and what have you done w.r.t firefox? | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | since sid still has mozilla-firefox | 02:08 |
| slomo | Lathiat: ok, sent the mail to menno ;) have you done your's? | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | heh, 'mozilla-venkman' | 02:08 |
| tseng | its not the meebey doesnt like things i do | 02:09 |
| tseng | they just dont always suit debian | 02:09 |
| tseng | we build all our gtkmozembed stuff with firefox | 02:09 |
| tseng | debian doesnt ship gtkmozembed from ff | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | I had zomb complaining about my changelog when I did my first f-spot upload :) | 02:09 |
| tseng | hah he was just busting you | 02:09 |
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| slomo | tseng: but what have you done with firefox? gtk# doesn't use mozilla/firefox... only gecko# does... or did you update this too? ;) | 02:10 |
| tseng | um | 02:10 |
| tseng | i didnt mean gtk# specifically | 02:10 |
| tseng | gecko#, blam, beagle | 02:10 |
| slomo | oh... sounds nice :) blam and beagle for gtk#2? | 02:11 |
| tseng | moo? | 02:11 |
| slomo | are the updated blam and beagle using gtk#2? ;) i don't know whether they've switched finally... | 02:12 |
| tseng | beagle in cvws | 02:12 |
| tseng | cvs | 02:12 |
| tseng | blam | 02:12 |
| tseng | good luck | 02:12 |
| tseng | you are lucky it even works at all | 02:12 |
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| tseng | its hard | 02:13 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:13 |
| donsmith | I always preferred liferea anyway | 02:13 |
| Lathiat | i use blam | 02:13 |
| tseng | gross | 02:13 |
| whiprush | heh | 02:13 |
| donsmith | the folder support is the killer feature | 02:13 |
| Lathiat | what got me stuck to it | 02:14 |
| slomo | tseng: lol ok... so your updated blam and beagle still use gtk#1? :/ | 02:14 |
| Lathiat | was marking posts read from one feed read in another | 02:14 |
| slomo | donsmith: yes, liferea is really nice :) | 02:14 |
| tseng | slomo: yes | 02:14 |
| slomo | tseng: :( hm, then we maybe can drop gtk#1 for breezy+1... lets see what happens ;) | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | slomo: we can only hope | 02:14 |
| tseng | yeah certianly not now | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | MD uses 2, right?\ | 02:15 |
| slomo | ajmitch: yes | 02:15 |
| tseng | tomboy, blam, monodoc will stay at 1.x | 02:16 |
| tseng | cowbell, muine, md, beagle, monopod | 02:16 |
| tseng | 2.x | 02:16 |
| tseng | f-spot | 02:16 |
| tseng | monodoc will be a tough sell | 02:16 |
| tseng | its right under miguels nose | 02:16 |
| tseng | and he smokes major crack about gtk# | 02:16 |
| slomo | hehe... what are his arguments to not use gtk#2 for it? | 02:17 |
| tseng | that not enough people have gtk+ 2.4 installed | 02:17 |
| slomo | who are these people? i don't know anyone who still uses somethin < 2.4... even the machines at our university have 2.4 | 02:18 |
| tseng | "enterprise distros" | 02:18 |
| tseng | see | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | novell distros, he means | 02:19 |
| tseng | miguel has some customers that he pushes NLD on | 02:19 |
| tseng | yes | 02:19 |
| tseng | and it is shitty and old | 02:19 |
| slomo | grmpf | 02:19 |
| tseng | he thinks this is a good target audience | 02:19 |
| tseng | the community has distros from the last 6 months | 02:20 |
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| tseng | suse pro, ubuntu, fedora | 02:20 |
| slomo | this people even don't use a fairly up to date mono... how can they be a good target audience? | 02:20 |
| tseng | eh | 02:20 |
| tseng | they install mono from redcarpet | 02:20 |
| tseng | its updated all the time | 02:20 |
| === Lathiat laughs, the icon for slashdot in liferea is a flame | ||
| tseng | good | 02:22 |
| === tseng hopes to get his laptop this week | ||
| slomo | hrm... tseng, when i hack together a patch for monodoc which let it use gtk#2... can we try to ship this for breezy+1 when it's stable? probably not or what do you think? | 02:23 |
| tseng | slomo: im not mucking with that | 02:23 |
| tseng | slomo: it should happen in that timeframe anyway, I think | 02:23 |
| tseng | that is 8 months from now | 02:23 |
| slomo | tseng: ok, let's wait... otherwise i'll try ;) finally some coding again ;) | 02:24 |
| tseng | a few more people will install gtk+-2.4 or something | 02:24 |
| tseng | any changes in cowbell svn btw? | 02:24 |
| tseng | oh i have a checkout right here | 02:24 |
| slomo | tseng: no, nothing... i hope cowbell isn't dead :/ | 02:25 |
| tseng | doubt it | 02:25 |
| === ajmitch is hoping to see a laptop 'real soon now' | ||
| tseng | ajmitch: which did you get again? | 02:25 |
| tseng | i have a dell inspiron 6000, i think it will be cake | 02:26 |
| tseng | similar kit to my 600m | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | apparantly a latitude D510 or something | 02:26 |
| tseng | fancy | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | something fairly basic | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | hardly fancy | 02:26 |
| tseng | all the laptops shipping are lowend afaik | 02:26 |
| slomo | hmm... everybody got one... ;) | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | tseng: nah, there were some highend ones shipped | 02:26 |
| whiprush | an x41 iirc | 02:27 |
| tseng | whiprush: ! | 02:27 |
| tseng | whiprush: google chat me | 02:27 |
| whiprush | k | 02:27 |
| tseng | brandon.hale | 02:27 |
| slomo | tseng: ah you also have a googletalk account? ;) but as long as they don't open their doors for other jabber servers i won't use it... | 02:27 |
| tseng | yeah | 02:27 |
| tseng | you have my other jabber | 02:28 |
| whiprush | i'm sure they will eventually | 02:28 |
| slomo | whiprush: i hope they will... that would be the best support jabber ever had ;) | 02:28 |
| whiprush | yes. | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | and I hope they get proper open standards for the voip parts | 02:29 |
| Lathiat | an x41? damn | 02:31 |
| whiprush | I think it's sip ajmitch | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: SIP in the 'near future', they say | 02:31 |
| whiprush | which would be cool. | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | but not SIP at the moment | 02:31 |
| whiprush | ah | 02:31 |
| === ajmitch needs to find his camera & USB cable to use with f-spot | ||
| ryanthiessen | whiprush: I think the reason to block other jabber servers was over spamming fears, not sure how they will easily overcome that in the short term | 02:32 |
| slomo | ajmitch: btw, did you had a chance to look at my mcatalog package and did jacek write a mail to you regarding nemerle? | 02:32 |
| whiprush | I'm sure it'll all work out. | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | slomo: I have no email about nemerle that I see | 02:33 |
| slomo | ryanthiessen: hm, seems like a bad solution for spam prevention... they better add something for that to their client | 02:33 |
| ryanthiessen | slomo: from what I can deduce, they are concerned that anyone can get a jabber account on a stray server and message someone on google talk, easy pickings for spammers. but to get a gmail account you need to be invited or use your US cellphone, making that sort of spamming easier to stop. so, it's not a simple problem to overcome, but whiprush is right they probably will eventually | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | excellent, got f-spot to crash & burn | 02:36 |
| tseng | how? | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | slideshow, go forward a few images.. hit left arrow to try & go back, space again to go fowards a couple of times & it dies | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | IndexOutOfRangeException | 02:37 |
| tseng | huh | 02:38 |
| tseng | good one | 02:38 |
| slomo | ryanthiessen: but the solution now is like this: you can only get mail from other gmail users and write mails to other gmails users... | 02:38 |
| tseng | better file a bug for 0.1.2 | 02:38 |
| slomo | ryanthiessen: that can't be the right solution against spam | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | man, some scary photos in my collection | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/Images/Brooke/114_1456.JPG | 02:39 |
| tseng | hm | 02:40 |
| ryanthiessen | slomo: indeed, I think it's a stop-gap until they can figure out a better way -- and if they want to do interop with aim/yahoo/etc they need to figure that out anyhow | 02:41 |
| slomo | ryanthiessen: do they really plan to interop with other IM system with jabber transports? that would be the killer feature then for the normal user ;) currently they don't have anything the others don't have... but are missing many functions the others have | 02:43 |
| tseng | they have voice | 02:45 |
| tseng | and the google brand | 02:45 |
| slomo | tseng: others too... icq had it since ~2000 iirc | 02:45 |
| whiprush | server to server and open voice would be nice. | 02:45 |
| whiprush | that would be the only 2 things missing imo. | 02:45 |
| slomo | whiprush: yeah... exactly :) and maybe open video chat... maybe with the protocol apple uses in ichat | 02:46 |
| whiprush | all I want is sip so that I can buy service from any provider. | 02:47 |
| whiprush | I would so get rid of my phone. | 02:47 |
| tseng | most sip providers lock you into their hardware | 02:47 |
| tseng | which is locked firmware | 02:47 |
| whiprush | yeah but enough decent ones exist. | 02:47 |
| ryanthiessen | slomo: they haven't said how, but they say they want to. indeed, that would killer. | 02:48 |
| slomo | tseng: do you know whether mono's System.IO.FileSystemWatcher uses inotify? | 02:50 |
| tseng | slomo: it does not. | 02:54 |
| tseng | it should use inotify and fall back on fam | 02:54 |
| tseng | in a perfect world | 02:54 |
| slomo | and in our world it just polls? | 02:54 |
| tseng | i think it uses fam | 02:54 |
| tseng | which could mean "just polls" | 02:55 |
| tseng | in a round about sort of way | 02:55 |
| slomo | so it uses gamin which uses inotify (i hope) | 02:55 |
| tseng | erm | 02:55 |
| tseng | "maybe" | 02:55 |
| slomo | ok... for breezy it does? ;) | 02:55 |
| tseng | beats me | 02:56 |
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| Mitario | re | 03:07 |
| Mitario | everyone | 03:07 |
| Mitario | any motu around still? :) | 03:13 |
| slomo | tseng: hm... at least it works better than Gnome.Vfs.Monitor... this one doesn't notice anything except when the metadata of a file is changed :( | 03:14 |
| slomo | tseng: but seems to be a general issue with gnomevfs atm... at least it doesn't notice when i put a cd in | 03:14 |
| slomo | Mitario: yes, i'm here ;) welcome back :) | 03:14 |
| Mitario | slomo, thanks :) i'm a bit drunk but not enought to be unable to fix packages :) | 03:15 |
| slomo | Mitario: hehe, same here :) | 03:15 |
| slomo | Mitario: but i'm working on something else ;) | 03:16 |
| Mitario | heh ok :) | 03:16 |
| Mitario | slomo can you look at some debdiffs I made earlier in a few? | 03:16 |
| Mitario | (including kaffe) | 03:16 |
| slomo | Mitario: sure... but this doesn't help you much (except my blessing ;) )... i'm also waiting for elmo to give me upload rights like you do | 03:17 |
| Mitario | ahh right :) | 03:17 |
| slomo | can you give me an url? | 03:17 |
| Mitario | they will be up on MichielSikkesMOTU (w.u.c) | 03:17 |
| slomo | Mitario: (over a month now...) | 03:17 |
| Mitario | hrm | 03:18 |
| Mitario | i tried to contact him the last few days | 03:18 |
| Mitario | but hes been busy with the server crashes and such | 03:18 |
| slomo | Mitario: he doesn't work on weekends... and he's always busy ;) | 03:18 |
| Mitario | hehe :) | 03:18 |
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| Mitario | there's some weird problem with my mouse in X again :( | 03:20 |
| Mitario | it's really slow | 03:20 |
| Mitario | had taht problem a few weeks ago too | 03:20 |
| Mitario | but then it just left | 03:20 |
| Mitario | bah, my trousers are full of beer | 03:21 |
| slomo | Mitario: haha :P btw, when you're interested you can do the whole wx 2.5 -> 2.6 transition :) there's more 2.5 stuff lying around | 03:21 |
| Mitario | slomo, oh sure, you have a pkg list somewhere | 03:22 |
| Mitario | crimsun, still awake? :) | 03:22 |
| Mitario | actually i'm very active when I'm drunk so.. | 03:22 |
| slomo | Mitario: i don't have a list... and don't know how to create a list for unmet deps of only one package :( | 03:24 |
| slomo | Mitario: maybe parse apt-cache unmet | grep --context 5 wx | 03:24 |
| slomo | Mitario: and your "fixed" debdiffs look ok... i would upload them if i could ;) | 03:25 |
| Mitario | they are already uploaded :) | 03:25 |
| Mitario | but I've not added new ones yet | 03:25 |
| slomo | hum... ok ;) | 03:26 |
| Mitario | brb restarting X | 03:26 |
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| tseng | slomo: what are you trying to do? | 03:36 |
| slomo | tseng: where? the wx stuff or gnomevfs? | 03:36 |
| tseng | slomo: vfs | 03:36 |
| slomo | tseng: i'm trying to get an event when a file i'm watching get's changed or deleted | 03:37 |
| tseng | slomo: beagle and muine-inotify have direct inotify hooks | 03:37 |
| slomo | hmm... when the gnomevfs behavior doesn't change i'll take their solution... thanks :) | 03:38 |
| tseng | there is also a gnomevfs patch | 03:39 |
| tseng | to use inotify in place of fam | 03:39 |
| tseng | the other two you need from cvs / patch | 03:39 |
| slomo | hmm... but in breezy we have gamin as a replacement for fam so this shouldn't matter... but it seems gnomevfs has a bug | 03:40 |
| tseng | or gamin | 03:40 |
| slomo | yes... at least something is wrong there ;) | 03:40 |
| pef | have you an idea for a program managing jobs requests ? (when you have sent a letter, when you have to recall the society, ...) | 03:42 |
| pef | an idea for the name of the program | 03:42 |
| pef | (program I'm writting) | 03:42 |
| pef | (gpl of course) | 03:43 |
| Mitario | "workfloor" ;) | 03:51 |
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| Mitario | hi ogra | 03:51 |
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| Mitario | any more packages which need love? | 03:55 |
| slomo | every package apt-cache unmet lists ;) | 04:00 |
| Mitario | heh yeah, ajmitch was also looking at them :) | 04:00 |
| slomo | or do you know something about slang? then i have something more difficult for you ;) | 04:00 |
| tseng | there are plenty to share | 04:00 |
| Mitario | tseng, true | 04:01 |
| Mitario | sometimes I don't udnerstand, I run that unmets command which generates that list, and it lists xpdf | 04:02 |
| Mitario | I apt-get install xpdf, and it just works | 04:02 |
| slomo | Mitario: which unmets command? apt-cache unmet or the one from the wiki? | 04:04 |
| slomo | Mitario: the one from the wiki lists source packages... maybe xpdf has some other binary package which can't be installed | 04:04 |
| Mitario | the one from the wiki | 04:04 |
| Mitario | hmm, ok | 04:04 |
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| tseng | Binary: xpdf-utils, xpdf-common, xpdf-reader, xpdf | 04:08 |
| Mitario | yeah, but they all install correctly here | 04:08 |
| tseng | all seem fine to me | 04:09 |
| slomo | hmm | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | possibly a broken Suggests, then | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | apt-cache unmet is a little strange like that | 04:11 |
| slomo | apt-cache rdepend also... it lists Conflicts/Replaces | 04:14 |
| slomo | good night everbody (aaaah... 4:30 am here...) | 04:31 |
| tseng | bye slomo | 04:34 |
| Mitario | gonig too | 04:48 |
| Mitario | night everyone | 04:48 |
| Mitario | 4:48 here now :) | 04:48 |
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| crimsun | Mitario: yes? | 05:27 |
| crimsun | d'oh | 05:27 |
| StrikeForce | Can I get someones opinion on Bittorrent | 06:07 |
| crimsun | the protocol or the program or the company? | 06:08 |
| StrikeForce | lol | 06:08 |
| StrikeForce | no the program | 06:08 |
| StrikeForce | I've downloaded 4.0.4 now when creating the deb files should I create 2 binaries? | 06:08 |
| StrikeForce | e.g. bittorrent and bittorrent-gui? | 06:08 |
| crimsun | you would need to if it provides both, yes. | 06:09 |
| crimsun | there is hesitation regarding bt4's new license | 06:09 |
| crimsun | more than likely it would have to go into multiverse in breezy+1 | 06:09 |
| StrikeForce | oh ok | 06:09 |
| StrikeForce | I thought it was still open source? | 06:10 |
| crimsun | it is, but the license is questionably restrictive | 06:10 |
| crimsun | there has been some discussion on debian-legal | 06:10 |
| whiprush | what did he change the license to? | 06:10 |
| StrikeForce | nope | 06:10 |
| whiprush | nm, I see | 06:10 |
| StrikeForce | its bittorrent-open-source license | 06:10 |
| StrikeForce | ffs :( | 06:10 |
| whiprush | heh | 06:11 |
| crimsun | StrikeForce: that's fine for multiverse. It may not be fine for universe or main. | 06:11 |
| StrikeForce | yeah | 06:12 |
| StrikeForce | I just reread it :( | 06:12 |
| StrikeForce | Jabber Open Source License 1.0 (the "JOSL") He's basically copied this | 06:12 |
| StrikeForce | and edited further | 06:12 |
| StrikeForce | stupid question I know but how do I know what to separate for bittorrent and bittorrent-gui? | 06:15 |
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| vincent_ | Hi, I am going to program Atmel AVR micro-controllers and the program required to program these chips, called 'avrdude', is not in Synaptic. | 07:14 |
| vincent_ | There are the packages 'avrp' and 'avrprog', but both of them are now ovsolete and ought to be removed. | 07:15 |
| vincent_ | Avrprog can be downloaded here : http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avrdude/ | 07:16 |
| crimsun | we can put avrp and avrprog as morgue candidates | 07:16 |
| crimsun | ok, you mean avrdude | 07:16 |
| vincent_ | It compiles with no problems on an up to date Breezy, just requires the package 'tetex' otherwise the make will fail. | 07:16 |
| crimsun | and it's REALLY late in the release cycle for pushing in new packages, but if you have working debs, please put them on revu | 07:16 |
| vincent_ | I have been invited on the ubuntu-users to try and make a package for MOTU, but I have never done it so will need to study the subject first... :-/ | 07:17 |
| vincent_ | I did make a deb package with 'checkinstall', but I was told that this is not good/useable for the Ubuntu repo.. :o( | 07:18 |
| vincent_ | Yes avrdude not avrprog, sorry for the typo/confusion ! :-/ | 07:19 |
| vincent_ | Yes it's late, but no problem, since It's easy to compile apparently. I was only asking to put on th elist for Breezy+1, so that in the future I can install it more easily :o) | 07:21 |
| vincent_ | Ah, while I am at it, the 'C' libraries are also waaaay out of date, would be good to have updated. The package is name avr-libc and the URL for download is : http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avr-libc/ | 07:23 |
| whiprush | looks like it's in sid already | 07:24 |
| vincent_ | I don't know how difficult avr-libc is to install, but I guess it can' be complicated as it's not a program, but just a bunch of files/libraires to copy in /usr/lib IIRC. | 07:24 |
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| vincent_ | Oh great, the latest avrdude is indeed in debian, so I guess it will land in Breezy+1 automatically ? They also have avr-libc but sadly the version is still very very old :-/ | 07:28 |
| whiprush | yeah it'll probably get picked up automatically | 07:29 |
| whiprush | it wouldn't hurt to check on it when that time comes though | 07:29 |
| vincent_ | Yes I think as soon as Breezy comes out and development on Breezy+1 starts (hence the debian sync), I will check that avrdude is indeed picked up, and if avr-libc isn't updated, I will take the time to learn how to make a pacakage of it from source, and give it to you guys for approval... ;-) | 07:32 |
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| Burgundavia | whiprush, how is the fridge coming? | 08:44 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: do you mind if I pull mercurial into universe? It's in Debian, but not in Ubuntu. | 09:29 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: it's a bzr-like scm, used by Xen (among other things) | 09:30 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:45 |
| siretart | moin | 09:59 |
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| \sh | re | 10:36 |
| \sh | hmmm....today i'm playing with windows on this r200...but I don't like it | 10:37 |
| \sh | windows is crap | 10:37 |
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| herve | hello | 11:14 |
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| siretart | hi herve | 11:55 |
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| robotgeek | hi, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1138 is marked as fixed, but i still get the same error. i filed a new bug at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1926 referencing the old one. | 11:57 |
| siretart | robotgeek: are you perhaps on hoary? | 11:58 |
| robotgeek | Linux utopic 2.6.12-7-powerpc #1 Fri Aug 19 14:48:03 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux | 11:59 |
| siretart | hm. I see | 11:59 |
| robotgeek | siretart: i am positive i am on breezy, but is there any other confirmation? | 11:59 |
| siretart | I cannot reproduce it on x86, so maybe there is some package on ppc missing | 12:00 |
| robotgeek | siretart: that's what the old bug said too, i guess it was not fixed upstream or so? | 12:00 |
| siretart | dependencies most likly not a upstream bug but a distribution bug | 12:01 |
| robotgeek | okay...so, filing a new bug was the right action? | 12:01 |
| siretart | I'm not sure yet. have to see the cause first | 12:02 |
| robotgeek | is there any more information you guys would need? | 12:02 |
| robotgeek | maybe if i just wait, it will all go away :) | 12:03 |
| siretart | hm | 12:03 |
| siretart | robotgeek: can you install libmodplug0? | 12:03 |
| siretart | according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libm/libmodplug/1:0.7-4ubuntu1/ it has been sucessfully built | 12:04 |
| robotgeek | E: Package libmodplug0 has no installation candidate | 12:04 |
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| robotgeek | maybe they just need to update the breezy mirror? | 12:05 |
| siretart | libmodplug0 was renamed to libmodplug0c2 | 12:05 |
| siretart | because of cxx transition | 12:05 |
| siretart | so vlc needs a rebuilt against the new package | 12:05 |
| robotgeek | okay...i am new to this, so i kinda lost u :) | 12:06 |
| siretart | and this is the reason: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.2-1ubuntu3/ | 12:06 |
| robotgeek | okay | 12:07 |
| siretart | robotgeek: ok, I'll try to explain it to you | 12:07 |
| siretart | robotgeek: vlc has been uploaded to be rebuilt to match the newer libmodplug | 12:07 |
| siretart | robotgeek: libmodplug was changed because of new compiler gcc-4.0 | 12:07 |
| robotgeek | okay | 12:07 |
| siretart | robotgeek: the problem you are experiencing is, that the newer vlc got build on x86, but not on ppc | 12:08 |
| siretart | robotgeek: because according to the buildlog (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.2-1ubuntu3/vlc_0.8.2-1ubuntu3_20050827-0148-powerpc-failed.gz) it uses some special magic on ppc | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | siretart: so compiling from source wouldn't work for me, good i din't do it :) | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | i think might have to do with alitvec | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | *alitvec | 12:08 |
| siretart | robotgeek: the problem is that it fails to build from source on ppc | 12:09 |
| siretart | yes, it looks like it | 12:09 |
| robotgeek | *altivec* | 12:09 |
| siretart | as I don't have a ppc, I cannot debug this problem | 12:09 |
| robotgeek | nah, just tht will let you guys know..totem-xine works fine too :) | 12:09 |
| siretart | so we need to wait for someone with ppc, who can look into this problem and provide a patch, so we can build ppc again | 12:09 |
| siretart | vlc is great crack. It would really be great to have it on ppc, too | 12:10 |
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| robotgeek | i can try compiling it, patching it...farcry! | 12:10 |
| siretart | ajmitch! :) | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | siretart: ! | 12:10 |
| robotgeek | :) | 12:10 |
| siretart | :) | 12:10 |
| robotgeek | anyways, i am heading off to sleep. thanks guys! | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | siretart: you want me to try & use it to compile something? | 12:12 |
| siretart | robotgeek: sleep well! | 12:12 |
| robotgeek | thanks..i'll just update the bug report before i go off, so that ppl don't have to look | 12:12 |
| siretart | ajmitch: vlc FTBFS on ppc because of some altivec magic failing, because of gcc-4.0 (just a guess) | 12:13 |
| SloMo_ | hi | 12:13 |
| SloMo_ | i can try later on ppc when my ibook boots again ;) | 12:13 |
| robotgeek | somebody already did! | 12:14 |
| slomo | ok ;) | 12:14 |
| robotgeek | great, now i can go off to sleep listening to the audiobook of 1984! | 12:14 |
| robotgeek | nite | 12:15 |
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| Mitario | good morning everyone | 02:53 |
| slomo | good morning Mitario :) | 02:54 |
| Mitario | shlal I try and ping elmo again? :/ | 02:56 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 02:57 |
| Mitario | hey sistpoty! | 02:57 |
| Mitario | know the problem with kaffe btw :) | 02:57 |
| sistpoty | cool :) | 02:57 |
| sistpoty | did you solve it? | 02:57 |
| Mitario | yeah sort of, it builds at least, but there's some configure bug in the upstream source, which doesn't include -I/usr/include/freetype2 | 02:58 |
| Mitario | so you'll have to put --with-includes in at configure time | 02:58 |
| sistpoty | good work :) | 02:59 |
| Mitario | or looking at configure.ac, you can add the option --with-gtk-cairo which will include the freetype headers, BUT that one FTBFS | 02:59 |
| sistpoty | hehe, didn't have any look on running autoconf/automake either ;) | 03:00 |
| sistpoty | s/look/luck/ | 03:00 |
| Mitario | brb reboot | 03:01 |
| tseng | UMODE +E EVERYBODY! | 03:02 |
| === tseng puts another mark on the chalkboard | ||
| sistpoty | i finally managed to register to nickserv *g*... maybe i can reclaim my nick on dsl reconnect this way as a side-effect :) | 03:04 |
| tseng | i really hate global message spam | 03:04 |
| sistpoty | same as me... and i also hate these bloody /me is away msgs to all channels, though i don't know where to turn this of in kvirc | 03:05 |
| sistpoty | s/of/off/ | 03:06 |
| sistpoty | ping siretart | 03:07 |
| siretart | sistpoty: hi! | 03:08 |
| sistpoty | huhu, great news about revu-server :) | 03:08 |
| siretart | sistpoty: good to see you, I've been searching for you :) | 03:08 |
| sistpoty | hehe, sorry, came home late last night | 03:08 |
| siretart | sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi | 03:08 |
| siretart | sistpoty: svn and trac already moved, but I think I'll need your help moving the sql database ;) | 03:09 |
| sistpoty | yeehaa! good work :) | 03:09 |
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| Mitario | re | 03:16 |
| siretart | wb Mitario | 03:21 |
| Mitario | anyone needs help with a package he's been working on? or shall I just continue with unmetdeps | 03:22 |
| siretart | unmet deps is fine | 03:27 |
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| Mitario | can anyone look at the two debdiffs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichielSikkesMOTU? | 03:42 |
| slomo | Mitario: lets ping elmo together tomorrow, ok? :) | 03:51 |
| slomo | Mitario: your debdiffs look fine... but my in-brain textparser seems to be broken ;) what did you change at the build-depends for kaffe? | 03:53 |
| sistpoty | ok, revu is currently moving... please don't upload/comment to revu atm | 03:53 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:siretart] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU Down! Please stay tuned! | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
| Lathiat | siretart: but dude! aptgetorg should totally come first | 03:55 |
| Lathiat | its the obvious choice | 03:55 |
| Lathiat | we need hot new stuff (tm) now | 03:55 |
| siretart | Lathiat: our new, canonical sponsored server for revu has arrived | 03:56 |
| siretart | Lathiat: sistpoty and me are currently moving revu | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | siretart: oh sweeet | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | siretart: that rocks | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | wheres it hosted? | 03:57 |
| sistpoty | canoical rock :) | 03:57 |
| siretart | Lathiat: at serverpronto.com, in us | 03:57 |
| Lathiat | cool | 03:57 |
| siretart | absolutley! | 03:57 |
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| HiddenWolf | Hey guys, could you get the new tvtime into universe? it fixes some bugs. | 05:12 |
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| siretart | HiddenWolf: which bugs? | 05:27 |
| HiddenWolf | Some shit with drivers and kernel modules. | 05:30 |
| HiddenWolf | my bttv module keeps resetting. 0.99 should solve it, and in the time I've hung out in #tvtime, those issues have come up in multiple variants. | 05:31 |
| Lathiat | i have an issue with that | 05:32 |
| Lathiat | but im not so sure its not my card at fault | 05:32 |
| Lathiat | i get all sorts of lovely PCI errors | 05:32 |
| siretart | HiddenWolf: I fail to see how an updated tvtime fixes bugs in bttv. can you point me to some relevant bugnr? | 05:32 |
| HiddenWolf | siretart, no, I can't. I just see a lot of people coming into #tvime who mostly seem to be helped with 0.99 | 05:33 |
| siretart | HiddenWolf: I don't think that this is a strong reason to break UVF | 05:34 |
| siretart | hm | 05:34 |
| siretart | debian is still at 0.9.15 | 05:35 |
| siretart | HiddenWolf: perhaps you can prepare a new version? | 05:35 |
| HiddenWolf | siretart, I haven't compiled anything in ages, and never made a .deb | 05:35 |
| HiddenWolf | So I would, but I'd need some serieus figuring out to do. :P | 05:36 |
| siretart | HiddenWolf: any dev online? | 05:38 |
| HiddenWolf | vektor just went afk, it seems. | 05:39 |
| === HiddenWolf bugs siretart some more | ||
| siretart | :) | 05:48 |
| HiddenWolf | so tell me, how do I turn a .tar.gz into an app. :P | 05:48 |
| siretart | uufff. | 05:48 |
| siretart | thats a long story.. ;) | 05:48 |
| HiddenWolf | It's quite essential to me. I still haven't managed to get sound on my tuner, never gotten mythtv to work, and freevo is uninstallable. :( | 05:49 |
| HiddenWolf | I've got no clue where the error lies tho. | 05:49 |
| HiddenWolf | siretart, can't I bribe you to run the deb for me personally. *wink* | 05:53 |
| siretart | HiddenWolf: depends how much you pay *g* | 05:55 |
| siretart | HiddenWolf: which archtitecture are you running? you are on breezy, are you? | 05:56 |
| HiddenWolf | hoary x86, yes. | 05:56 |
| siretart | ok | 05:56 |
| HiddenWolf | wait. | 05:56 |
| HiddenWolf | breezy | 05:56 |
| siretart | ok | 05:56 |
| HiddenWolf | world-of-pain breezy. ;) | 05:56 |
| siretart | hmm. 0.99 fails to build with gcc-4.0 | 05:56 |
| HiddenWolf | Oh my, there goes their claim of it being a perfect app. :) | 05:57 |
| siretart | sorry. bug vector to get it compiled with gcc-4.0 | 05:57 |
| siretart | vektor, even | 05:58 |
| HiddenWolf | I will. :P | 05:58 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 05:58 |
| Lathiat | ipac-ng is totally broken in breezy | 05:58 |
| === Mitario is back muhaha | ||
| Mitario | hi everyone :) | 06:04 |
| Mitario | slomo, i've added --with-includes :) | 06:06 |
| Mitario | slomo, oh right nothing in build depends | 06:06 |
| Mitario | I added and removed libfreetype6-dev | 06:06 |
| slomo | Mitario: hmm... weird ;) | 06:06 |
| HiddenWolf | OMG. I've got windows media player streams working in firefox. :) | 06:07 |
| Mitario | slomo, yeah, maybe a whitespace somewhere | 06:08 |
| Mitario | any motus around? | 06:08 |
| slomo | Mitario: we two... ;) and siretart is probably also there... at least 10 minutes ago he has written something | 06:09 |
| Mitario | yeah I mean, with upload rights ;) | 06:09 |
| === siretart is busy | ||
| siretart | and hungry.. | 06:10 |
| Mitario | ahh ftp-master dead again? | 06:10 |
| siretart | seems so | 06:10 |
| === Mitario gives siretart some chicken nuggets | ||
| siretart | njam! | 06:10 |
| siretart | :) | 06:10 |
| Mitario | hmm, I'm in for mac donalds :D | 06:10 |
| slomo | wah... mc donalds is ugly :P only the chicken nuggets are good there ;) | 06:11 |
| Mitario | yeah :D | 06:11 |
| Mitario | and the strawberry milkshakes | 06:11 |
| Mitario | not much happening in breezy today :) | 06:12 |
| Mitario | hmm, CC this tuesday | 06:13 |
| Mitario | hope I can be there :/ | 06:13 |
| Mitario | hmm, lots of emergancy services today | 06:13 |
| Mitario | wow it's 22 C over heer | 06:17 |
| Mitario | re* | 06:17 |
| Mitario | btw, what's the progress of helping with AptGetOrf? | 06:24 |
| Mitario | g* | 06:24 |
| Mitario | reviewing? | 06:24 |
| Mitario | hmm, talk a lot don't | 06:24 |
| Mitario | I | 06:24 |
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| Mitario | re | 08:04 |
| Mitario | is the aalib transition done? | 08:04 |
| === Mitario doesn't get any rdepends on aalib1-dev | ||
| Mitario | oh right minus -dev | 08:05 |
| SloMo_ | Mitario: i've done that already | 08:09 |
| SloMo_ | Mitario: just waiting for someone to upload | 08:09 |
| Mitario | ok | 08:09 |
| Mitario | you've done every one of them? | 08:10 |
| === Mitario stops pbuilder mplayer :) | ||
| slomo | mplayer is done anyways... that's just an old binary flying around | 08:10 |
| slomo | and i've done every one of them except the stuff in main (notified infinity about that, he will have a look tomorrow) and the stuff i can't fix | 08:11 |
| Mitario | ok, cool | 08:11 |
| slomo | fte, dbacl, dosemu, slsc, smilutils | 08:11 |
| slomo | thats the stuff i can't fix | 08:11 |
| slomo | but these also need slang2 transition... aalib is no problem ;) | 08:12 |
| slomo | and these programs are a bit harder to port to slang2 then the other ones... need great changes in the sources... so when you know something about slang look at them ;) | 08:12 |
| Mitario | heh, to be honest, I don't :/ | 08:13 |
| Mitario | but I can try and look | 08:13 |
| slomo | hehe... the simple changes are SLang_Error has been replaced by int SLang_get_error(void) and void SLang_set_error(int) | 08:14 |
| slomo | everything else is hard... and for these packages (except dosemu) upstream seems to be dead... | 08:14 |
| Mitario | should be a slang2 api doc somewhere | 08:15 |
| Mitario | i assume | 08:15 |
| slomo | yes... wait... | 08:15 |
| slomo | there are also all changes listed | 08:16 |
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| Mitario | oki | 08:17 |
| === Mitario going to port those last cairo1 -> cairo2 apps | ||
| slomo | port? | 08:17 |
| Mitario | port/rebuild | 08:17 |
| slomo | ok ;) | 08:17 |
| slomo | ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slang/v2.0/slangdoc-2.0.4.tar.gz | 08:17 |
| Mitario | well by building fdclock, it seems it can't find some cairo functions | 08:17 |
| slomo | there's the slang2 doc | 08:17 |
| Mitario | so maybe even port port :/ | 08:17 |
| Mitario | ok | 08:17 |
| slomo | hehe when you don't want to port fdclock i'll do... some reason to look further into cairo :) | 08:18 |
| Mitario | hmmm this looks weird: fdclock.c:44: warning: implicit declaration of function 'cairo_set_rgb_color_REPLACED_BY_cairo_set_source_rgb' | 08:18 |
| Mitario | well If you really want to, be my guest :) | 08:18 |
| slomo | ok, i'll take it when you want :) but lets not work on the same package at the same time ;) | 08:19 |
| Mitario | sure, go ahead, if you have time :) | 08:19 |
| Mitario | then i'll move on to another pkg | 08:19 |
| slomo | ah and for the slang2 doc... seems like it's out of date for some functions... there you have to look to slang.h or even the slang2 sources... | 08:20 |
| Mitario | ok | 08:20 |
| slomo | ok, fdclock looks easy but it's a reason to look into cairo :) i'll do it when i'm back later... please don't take this package back ;) | 08:22 |
| Mitario | you can have it :) | 08:24 |
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| tgall | anyone awake to answer some "newbie" type questions ... | 09:46 |
| tgall | specifically, does ubuntu have a similiar document /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy.html/ch2.html#s2.1 like debian does ? | 09:47 |
| tgall | this is for setting up debian/menu.ex for a new package | 09:47 |
| JanC | Ubuntu uses de XDG standard for menu entries | 09:48 |
| tgall | hmm gotta pointer for some docs on thta ? | 09:49 |
| tgall | afraid I'm rock stupid on that topic | 09:49 |
| JanC | hm, I have link somewhere | 09:49 |
| tgall | thanks JanC! I sure would appreciate it when you find it! | 09:50 |
| JanC | yeah, just wade through a zillion unsorted bookmarks ;) | 09:50 |
| tgall | well wonder how lucky I'd get on google | 09:51 |
| JanC | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec | 09:58 |
| tgall | thanks! | 09:58 |
| JanC | maybe for stuff that's not in there that debian menu policy is still the way to go | 10:00 |
| JanC | someone in -devel should know | 10:00 |
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| tgall | hmm ok stupid question #2 of the day, how do you jam include files into the "fakeroot" for building a .deb ? | 10:36 |
| tgall | IE I need tcl.h | 10:36 |
| tgall | fakeroot debian/rules binary <-- that's what I'm using to build the package | 10:36 |
| Mitario | crimsun, around? :) | 10:38 |
| Mitario | tgall, just install the library which contains tcl.h | 10:39 |
| Mitario | and i recommend you use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild | 10:40 |
| Mitario | just tips :) | 10:40 |
| tgall | shouldn't fakeroot do that tho if it's listed in the Depends: section of the control file ? | 10:40 |
| Mitario | no, that's the job of a build daemon, to install those packages | 10:40 |
| Mitario | for example pbuilder | 10:40 |
| tgall | ahhh | 10:41 |
| Mitario | tgall, which program are you packaging? :) | 10:48 |
| tgall | dirdiff | 10:49 |
| tgall | my first experience with the debian build tools | 10:49 |
| tgall | I'm too jaded by rpm and gentoo's portage | 10:50 |
| tgall | fun to dive into something new! | 10:50 |
| Mitario | :) | 10:52 |
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| Mitario | hmm, I have libcoin20c102 here | 11:05 |
| Mitario | shouldn't that become libcoin20? | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | it's been transitioned in debian | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | so ask for a sync (no new upstream, just debian revision) | 11:10 |
| Mitario | hmm, elmo's been busy the last few days, i'll ask him when I talk to him | 11:13 |
| Mitario | c++ packages are going to base, and C libs to +c2 right? | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | umm what? | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | libs that have a C ABI get no library rename love | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | since the c2 is talking about the C++ ABI only | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | so you can have a C++ lib that exports only a C interface for apps, so it doesn't need transitioned (socketapi was one) | 11:17 |
| Mitario | ok | 11:19 |
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| crimsun | Mitario: there's a summary at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition under "C++ ABI Transition" | 11:29 |
| Mitario | crimsun, k thanks | 11:30 |
| Mitario | crimsun, happen to have time to take a peek at some debdiffs I made? :) | 11:30 |
| crimsun | Mitario: in a few minutes; let me get a drink first :) | 11:31 |
| Mitario | oki :) | 11:31 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: woo | 11:35 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: avahi 0.2 -> release | 11:35 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: therefor, packages-> ubuntu :) | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: good, get them to me ASAP | 11:35 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: will do | 11:36 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: just ahve to get updates from ross when he gets around | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | great | 11:36 |
| === ajmitch will bbl :) | ||
| Lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/avahi/announcement-0.2 | 11:36 |
| slomo | Mitario: fdclock is boring :( there is already a patch for this problem in cvs :/ | 11:38 |
| Mitario | sladen, ohh | 11:38 |
| Mitario | sladen, patch it? | 11:38 |
| Mitario | :) | 11:38 |
| slomo | sladen? :P | 11:38 |
| Mitario | bah | 11:38 |
| Mitario | stupid xchat tab :p | 11:38 |
| slomo | hehe... i'll update it and upload it to revu in a few minutes :) maybe someone can upload it then for me... | 11:38 |
| Mitario | hmm, right still need to get a revu account myself | 11:39 |
| sladen | slomo: ;-) | 11:39 |
| slomo | Mitario: and we have to get real upload rights tomorrow ;) | 11:39 |
| Mitario | yeah | 11:39 |
| Mitario | and elmo has to sync some pkgs for me :) | 11:39 |
| crimsun | Mitario: got a url? | 11:40 |
| Mitario | crimsun, MichielSikkesMOTU | 11:40 |
| crimsun | oh, at the top, duh | 11:41 |
| slomo | Mitario: why the MOTU? | 11:41 |
| crimsun | I kept scrolling down to the bottom | 11:41 |
| Mitario | crimsun, heh | 11:41 |
| Mitario | Lathiat, day good? :p | 11:43 |
| Lathiat | Mitario: good day apparently but yeh | 11:43 |
| Mitario | isnt that dobrie dzien :) | 11:43 |
| Mitario | instead of dzien dobrie? | 11:43 |
| Mitario | or doesnn't it matter.. | 11:43 |
| Mitario | just asking, i'm not a czech/hungary :p | 11:44 |
| Mitario | /slowakian, whatever :) | 11:44 |
| Lathiat | yeh well someone who apparently speaks polish said that | 11:44 |
| Lathiat | so | 11:44 |
| === Lathiat shrugs | ||
| Lathiat | i beleive them | 11:44 |
| Lathiat | i knwo nothing | 11:44 |
| Mitario | ah :) | 11:44 |
| Mitario | yeah | 11:44 |
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| crimsun | I think upload.u.c is broken again | 11:47 |
| Mitario | hm bah | 11:47 |
| drrakn | q: is it appropriate for non-MOTUs to post suggested universe packages to UniverseCandidates? | 11:48 |
| crimsun | drrakn: sure | 11:48 |
| drrakn | would I need to provide a package? or is a pointer to upstream sufficient + a description/justification? | 11:49 |
| crimsun | a package is best | 11:49 |
| drrakn | k | 11:50 |
| drrakn | thanks | 11:50 |
| === Mitario going to bed | ||
| Mitario | bye everyone | 11:54 |
| Lathiat | night | 11:54 |
| Lathiat | or should i say mroning for me | 11:54 |
| Lathiat | 5:54am :) | 11:54 |
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