=== rbelem_ [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] slomo, now build with two pbuilders, and my last try for this week http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ [12:14] ok, i'll take a look :) [12:15] and sorry for the hassles with the diff.gz ;) === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] we will see how that turns out ;/ [12:24] j^: ok, package is fine with me :) [12:25] j^: but some manpages for all the binaries would be fine... but that's no must ;) [12:26] it sort of is [12:26] but not really === tseng looks the other way [12:26] tseng: well it's just a lintian _warning_, no error [12:26] tseng: and we have soooo many packages without manpage [12:27] j^: just write one for your next release... look a bit into docbook for this ;) [12:29] sure [12:29] but now i have to go back the the pkg-config bug... [12:30] what pkg-config bug? the segfault one? ;) [12:30] i have to use it with mingw32 and if i have more than one pathin PKG_CONFIG_PATH its removes \ === rbelem___ [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [i=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] crimsun: will you look at liferea and adonthell later? :) [12:39] slomo: I will; I have them bookmarked [12:41] crimsun: thanks :) just wanted to be sure you haven't forgotten them... hmm... i really need elmo to finally add my key to the upload keyring :( === tseng builds banshee for kicks [12:42] tseng: tell me how it is when it works :) [12:42] yeah.. right [12:42] do you plan to package it now already for breezy? [12:43] checking for GST... checking for GST... configure: error: Install gstreamer, gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-gconf, gstreamer-interfaces, and gstreamer-play [12:43] wth is this [12:43] slomo: no way [12:43] it needs gst-sharp which currently is only in the mono svn [12:43] false [12:43] i doesn't hmm [12:43] that was months ago [12:43] then they've changed that ;) [12:43] it now has its own gst binding [12:43] or.. helix [12:43] these guys smoke the hard stuff [12:43] iihh... helix [12:45] well their gst bindings only can be better than gst-sharp... i played a bit with gst-sharp and already found enough rough edges :/ [12:45] yes [12:45] it was total crack [12:46] i dont like how abock develops [12:46] he rolls all the depends into his source [12:46] entagged, burn-sharp, hal-sharp [12:46] who's abock? [12:46] the author [12:47] of sonance [12:47] oh ok... hm, maybe we shall write him a mail to release the other stuff independend of sonace ;) [12:48] erm [12:48] you can do that until you turn blue [12:48] he really believes this is the best way [12:49] does he have some arguments? hm... maybe we shall fork the stuff then and release it independend to force him? ;P [12:49] haha === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] well alot of the stuff has crazy api [12:49] and has no real release [12:50] so you cant depend on it working from one day to the next on its own [12:51] entagged is this tag reading/writing library completly written in c#? (btw, why don't he use gst for this?!) [12:51] sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse [12:51] wee! [12:51] slomo: entagged is very fast [12:51] slomo: gst is very slow, and needs to be wrapped [12:51] i thought the same thing at first, but i like entagged now [12:52] cowbell, dopi, muine, sonance will all use it === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] ok, right... gst is really slow for reading tags... but now a user has to update gst AND entagged to use his new media format :/ [12:53] well adding my entire collection of music to muine or dopi is a lot faster [12:53] which i do much more often than start ripping new oddball formats === donsmith [n=donsmith@ool-4353ca48.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [12:53] How do I file a bug against a universe package? [12:54] launchpad.net/malone [12:54] slomo: hm the meta package doesnt depend on -lame? [12:54] tseng: Depends: libgstreamer0.8-0, libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0, libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0, gstreamer0.8-plugin-apps, gstreamer0.8-faac, gstreamer0.8-faad, gstreamer0.8-lame, gstreamer0.8-wavpack, gstreamer0.8-dirac, gstreamer0.8-xvid [12:55] tseng: it does here [12:55] gstreamer0.8-lame is already the newest version. [12:55] oh [12:55] it must be leftover === tseng gets your [12:55] s [12:55] nice work [12:56] now my boss can rip in sound-juicer without making a big fuss [12:56] you should have seen him try that on FC3 [12:56] thanks :) i hope everything works correctly... i haven't tested the faac, lame, xvid, dirac and wavpack plugin ;) [12:56] he wanted to add the gst yum repo [12:56] and jeez [12:56] why don't he just use ogg vorbis? [12:56] there is a bug in yum using a proxy === seth_k [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-212-139.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] they havent issued a fix after all this time [12:57] xvid i might have something for === seth_k [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-212-139.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] argl that mythtv box is unreachable [12:58] btw... did you try thoggen? it seems really nice... but doesn't compile :( [12:58] the dvd ripper, yes? [12:58] yes [12:58] which only supports theora atm ;) [12:58] theora is nice === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] but how is it for high quality stuff? [12:59] i haven't tried it yet :/ [12:59] http://www.thebroken.org/ [12:59] maybe i should fix thoggen and rip one dvd of mine ;) [12:59] i think this is xvid [12:59] or similar [12:59] at least some mpeg4 stuff [01:00] thoggen is *great*, but theora encoding is terribly slow [01:00] hm [01:01] but it's the ripper with the best A/V sync I've found for linux, and works great with Ubuntu (need to compile your own for breezy though) [01:01] ryanthiessen: how did you compile it for breezy? our hal is too new for thoggen :/ [01:02] slomo: I built from cvs on two boxes.... [01:02] ah ok, i only tried the last release [01:02] yeah, the 0.3 tarball doesn't build because of hal problems [01:02] hmm... maybe i'll package the cvs version for breezy ;) [01:03] I wrote the thoggen-users list asking if they could release 0.4 in time for breezy but no response, and the cvs version still lists as v0.3 but I guess you could tweak that [01:05] Desktop/thebroken2.avi.part: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 432 x 320, ~30 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz) [01:06] i am playing this with gstreamer [01:06] gst-ffmpeg also decodes divx/mpeg4 [01:06] ok [01:06] yeah [01:06] its ffmpeg [01:07] apt-get remove gst-ffmpeg ? ;) [01:07] i did [01:07] doesnt play with xvid [01:07] well, it plays layer 3 only [01:07] no video [01:07] hmm [01:07] try gst-launch-ext on the avi [01:08] gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink } [01:08] works nice [01:08] gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink } [01:08] w/o ffmpeg [01:08] hah it uses it anyway [01:08] or tries [01:09] yes... the decodebin ;) [01:10] ok, works for me :) [01:15] I can't get tome to play mp4s from archive.org is that right? [01:16] the video comes out choppy, and it can't read the audio [01:16] donsmith: tome? [01:16] totem, sorry [01:16] oh... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-faad [01:16] or do you already have this? [01:17] it's installed already, do I have to rebuild the plugin registry? [01:17] no... normally not... [01:17] but try running gst-register-0.8 [01:17] does this help? [01:18] and give me a link to the mp4 :) === rbelem_ [n=rodrigo@200-208-59-59-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] http://www.archive.org/details/isforAto1953 [01:19] running gst-register doesn't seem to do anything [01:19] it's the 256k one [01:19] ok, i'll take a look [01:19] thanks [01:20] uhh.. archive.org is slow :( [01:20] i think the totem plugin is broken for me [01:20] donsmith: a do you use the totem plugin or did you download it? [01:20] donsmith: because the totem plugin is broken for me too ;) [01:22] is that dbus, glitz, xorg? [01:22] or just plain broken [01:23] probably plain broken... it never worked for me ;) [01:23] i used it happily for some time [01:24] it's working with breezy's totem-xine of a very recent vintage, though you may have to tweak some settings in gconf [01:25] specifically the max buffer setting, something like that === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] donsmith: doesn't work for me even after downloading it... and in mplayer it says: 'FAAD: Failed to decode frame: Unexpected channel configuration change' [01:27] faad? [01:27] interesting mix [01:27] yes... probably aac audio [01:27] and as faad2 is unmaintained upstream afaik (author works now for ahead) this probably won't get fixed :/ [01:28] ahead nero? [01:28] yes... he's working on the aac encoder there [01:28] cant wait to get aac in entagged [01:29] hehe... doesn't help in this case :/ [01:29] well i cant ship any aac support in muine as is [01:29] libmuine would have to link to faad [01:29] which is multiverse [01:29] with entagged (no faad) and gstreamer plugin [01:29] it only needs faad for the tags? [01:29] you are set [01:29] yes [01:29] oh ok [01:30] it would be completely optional [01:30] by installing gstreamer0.8-faad [01:30] hm but we really need someone working again on faad and faac :/ [01:30] no one is that crazy [01:31] are the faad/faac issues patent related or copyright? [01:31] why? there are also people working on wmv (in ffmpeg), dts (libdts), mp3 (lame), mpeg4 (xvid) [01:31] ryanthiessen: patent [01:32] faad is really crappy [01:32] as youve noticed [01:33] but it's the only thing we have for aac decoding :/ [01:34] hmm... cool [01:34] there a some checkins in the faad2 cvs by menno and some other guy at nero [01:35] s/some/one/ [01:35] hm, maybe i'll update the faad2 package tomorrow [01:36] elite [01:36] same for faac [01:40] uh [01:40] faad2 has a new license clause [01:40] " [01:40] Software using this code must display the following message visibly in the software: [01:40] "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com" [01:40] in, for example, the about-box or help/startup screen. " === jtan325 [n=jtan325@D-128-208-151-97.dhcp4.washington.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["gin] [01:41] which makes it GPL incompatible and probably not ubuntu compatible... tseng? [01:41] um wow [01:41] i dont know about that one [01:42] that's in the cvs... 2.0 doesn't have this [01:42] (i hope) [01:43] nope, it doesn't... [01:44] what was the 2.0 license? [01:44] plain GPL-2 [01:44] cvs is GPL-2 + this additional clause... === tseng has graham crackers for dinner [01:45] hehe... === slomo has a beer :) [01:45] hrm, how can they change the license like that, unless they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them? [01:46] they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them? [01:46] its been done [01:47] no idea [01:48] http://diva.mdk.org.pl/ [01:48] there is definately some cool stuff coming for breezy+1 [01:48] yeah i saw that already :) [01:50] hmm... that license change really annoys me *grmpf* [01:50] its already multiverse so.. [01:51] tseng: sure but this change would disallow a gst-plugin for example [01:51] "the place where the bad toys go" [01:51] how can the gst-plugin show the string? [01:51] beats me [01:51] so we must stay with 2.0 until hell freezes over and someone forks faad 2.0 or writes his own aac decoder... [01:51] you could put it in the manpage [01:52] they arent very specific on that point [01:52] "display the following message visibly in the software"... manpage != software imho :( [01:52] hm, donsmith gave me a link to a aac decoder by real... https://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/datatype/aac/fileformat/ [01:53] but this has another funny license ;) [01:53] how bout write the author and tell them they are a d**kh**d ;p [01:53] Lathiat: i wouldn't be the first to do that... there's a thread in their forum and in another forum of a software which uses faad2 ;) [01:54] well you make a thrid [01:54] and i'll make a 4th :) [01:55] ok... and tseng the third? ;) [01:55] err... fifth [01:55] hehe [01:55] um [01:55] whatever dudes [01:55] haha [01:55] Lathiat: what email address do you want? mbakker@nero.com is the main author [01:56] nero.com.. interestign [01:56] hehe... that's probably the problem... [01:57] i think ahead doesn't want them to work on another aac project when they don't get the credit for it... [01:57] so it must display "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com" somewhere [02:00] afternoon [02:01] http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005081526127.gif [02:02] lol [02:02] so f-spot 0.1.1 is in sid [02:02] no users screaming at me yet [02:03] so it's probably safe to sync [02:03] sounds good to me [02:03] ajmitch: does it already use gtk#2? [02:03] slomo: yes [02:03] ah wonderfull :) [02:03] maybe by breezy+1 we can kill gtk# 1 [02:03] that would be a good deal [02:03] the depends are fairly tight with it though [02:03] tseng: how's your progress on gtk# 2.3.90? maybe we should wait for the sync until you're finished with it [02:04] so we'll have to check how it goes with 2.3.90 [02:04] im running it here [02:04] ajmitch: WFM [02:04] i really want to talk to meebey still [02:04] he is MIA [02:04] yeah, will do [02:04] i have asked him a dozen questions [02:04] does it fix the drive widget in the import dialog? [02:04] yes [02:04] yay [02:04] how the hell did that happen anyway :) [02:05] tseng: MIA? [02:05] missing in action [02:05] gone, vanished [02:05] tseng: so you have it ready, just waiting on your harddrive for meebey's answers? ;) fine... hopefully he returns tomorrow or monday :) [02:06] yes [02:06] i like to coordinate with meebey [02:06] we are a team [02:06] if he doesnt like it, i do it anyway [02:06] the pkg-mono crack team [02:06] but at least i give him first option :) [02:06] lol [02:06] haha [02:07] what have you done that he possibly don't like? ;) [02:07] gtkhtml [02:07] firefox [02:07] tseng: dropped gtkhtml < 3.8? [02:07] and what have you done w.r.t firefox? [02:08] since sid still has mozilla-firefox [02:08] Lathiat: ok, sent the mail to menno ;) have you done your's? [02:08] heh, 'mozilla-venkman' [02:09] its not the meebey doesnt like things i do [02:09] they just dont always suit debian [02:09] we build all our gtkmozembed stuff with firefox [02:09] debian doesnt ship gtkmozembed from ff [02:09] I had zomb complaining about my changelog when I did my first f-spot upload :) [02:09] hah he was just busting you === herzi [n=herzi@d002120.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] tseng: but what have you done with firefox? gtk# doesn't use mozilla/firefox... only gecko# does... or did you update this too? ;) [02:10] um [02:10] i didnt mean gtk# specifically [02:10] gecko#, blam, beagle [02:11] oh... sounds nice :) blam and beagle for gtk#2? [02:11] moo? [02:12] are the updated blam and beagle using gtk#2? ;) i don't know whether they've switched finally... [02:12] beagle in cvws [02:12] cvs [02:12] blam [02:12] good luck [02:12] you are lucky it even works at all === tseng should be more polite [02:13] its hard [02:13] heh [02:13] I always preferred liferea anyway [02:13] i use blam [02:13] gross [02:13] heh [02:13] the folder support is the killer feature [02:14] what got me stuck to it [02:14] tseng: lol ok... so your updated blam and beagle still use gtk#1? :/ [02:14] was marking posts read from one feed read in another [02:14] donsmith: yes, liferea is really nice :) [02:14] slomo: yes [02:14] tseng: :( hm, then we maybe can drop gtk#1 for breezy+1... lets see what happens ;) [02:14] slomo: we can only hope [02:15] yeah certianly not now [02:15] MD uses 2, right?\ [02:15] ajmitch: yes [02:16] tomboy, blam, monodoc will stay at 1.x [02:16] cowbell, muine, md, beagle, monopod [02:16] 2.x [02:16] f-spot [02:16] monodoc will be a tough sell [02:16] its right under miguels nose [02:16] and he smokes major crack about gtk# [02:17] hehe... what are his arguments to not use gtk#2 for it? [02:17] that not enough people have gtk+ 2.4 installed [02:18] who are these people? i don't know anyone who still uses somethin < 2.4... even the machines at our university have 2.4 [02:18] "enterprise distros" [02:18] see [02:19] novell distros, he means [02:19] miguel has some customers that he pushes NLD on [02:19] yes [02:19] and it is shitty and old [02:19] grmpf [02:19] he thinks this is a good target audience [02:20] the community has distros from the last 6 months === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] suse pro, ubuntu, fedora [02:20] this people even don't use a fairly up to date mono... how can they be a good target audience? [02:20] eh [02:20] they install mono from redcarpet [02:20] its updated all the time === Lathiat laughs, the icon for slashdot in liferea is a flame [02:22] good === tseng hopes to get his laptop this week [02:23] hrm... tseng, when i hack together a patch for monodoc which let it use gtk#2... can we try to ship this for breezy+1 when it's stable? probably not or what do you think? [02:23] slomo: im not mucking with that [02:23] slomo: it should happen in that timeframe anyway, I think [02:23] that is 8 months from now [02:24] tseng: ok, let's wait... otherwise i'll try ;) finally some coding again ;) [02:24] a few more people will install gtk+-2.4 or something [02:24] any changes in cowbell svn btw? [02:24] oh i have a checkout right here [02:25] tseng: no, nothing... i hope cowbell isn't dead :/ [02:25] doubt it === ajmitch is hoping to see a laptop 'real soon now' [02:25] ajmitch: which did you get again? [02:26] i have a dell inspiron 6000, i think it will be cake [02:26] similar kit to my 600m [02:26] apparantly a latitude D510 or something [02:26] fancy [02:26] something fairly basic [02:26] hardly fancy [02:26] all the laptops shipping are lowend afaik [02:26] hmm... everybody got one... ;) [02:26] tseng: nah, there were some highend ones shipped [02:27] an x41 iirc [02:27] whiprush: ! [02:27] whiprush: google chat me [02:27] k [02:27] brandon.hale [02:27] tseng: ah you also have a googletalk account? ;) but as long as they don't open their doors for other jabber servers i won't use it... [02:27] yeah [02:28] you have my other jabber [02:28] i'm sure they will eventually [02:28] whiprush: i hope they will... that would be the best support jabber ever had ;) [02:28] yes. [02:29] and I hope they get proper open standards for the voip parts [02:31] an x41? damn [02:31] I think it's sip ajmitch [02:31] whiprush: SIP in the 'near future', they say [02:31] which would be cool. [02:31] but not SIP at the moment [02:31] ah === ajmitch needs to find his camera & USB cable to use with f-spot [02:32] whiprush: I think the reason to block other jabber servers was over spamming fears, not sure how they will easily overcome that in the short term [02:32] ajmitch: btw, did you had a chance to look at my mcatalog package and did jacek write a mail to you regarding nemerle? [02:32] I'm sure it'll all work out. [02:33] slomo: I have no email about nemerle that I see [02:33] ryanthiessen: hm, seems like a bad solution for spam prevention... they better add something for that to their client [02:36] slomo: from what I can deduce, they are concerned that anyone can get a jabber account on a stray server and message someone on google talk, easy pickings for spammers. but to get a gmail account you need to be invited or use your US cellphone, making that sort of spamming easier to stop. so, it's not a simple problem to overcome, but whiprush is right they probably will eventually [02:36] excellent, got f-spot to crash & burn [02:37] how? [02:37] slideshow, go forward a few images.. hit left arrow to try & go back, space again to go fowards a couple of times & it dies [02:37] IndexOutOfRangeException [02:38] huh [02:38] good one [02:38] ryanthiessen: but the solution now is like this: you can only get mail from other gmail users and write mails to other gmails users... [02:38] better file a bug for 0.1.2 [02:38] ryanthiessen: that can't be the right solution against spam [02:38] man, some scary photos in my collection [02:39] http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/Images/Brooke/114_1456.JPG [02:40] hm [02:41] slomo: indeed, I think it's a stop-gap until they can figure out a better way -- and if they want to do interop with aim/yahoo/etc they need to figure that out anyhow [02:43] ryanthiessen: do they really plan to interop with other IM system with jabber transports? that would be the killer feature then for the normal user ;) currently they don't have anything the others don't have... but are missing many functions the others have [02:45] they have voice [02:45] and the google brand [02:45] tseng: others too... icq had it since ~2000 iirc [02:45] server to server and open voice would be nice. [02:45] that would be the only 2 things missing imo. [02:46]