[12:14] <j^> slomo, now build with two pbuilders, and my last try for this week http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[12:14] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look :)
[12:15] <slomo> and sorry for the hassles with the diff.gz ;)
[12:20] <j^> we will see how that turns out ;/
[12:24] <slomo> j^: ok, package is fine with me :)
[12:25] <slomo> j^: but some manpages for all the binaries would be fine... but that's no must ;)
[12:26] <tseng> it sort of is
[12:26] <tseng> but not really
[12:26] <slomo> tseng: well it's just a lintian _warning_, no error
[12:26] <slomo> tseng: and we have soooo many packages without manpage
[12:27] <slomo> j^: just write one for your next release... look a bit into docbook for this ;)
[12:29] <j^> sure
[12:29] <j^> but now i have to go back the the pkg-config bug...
[12:30] <slomo> what pkg-config bug? the segfault one? ;)
[12:30] <j^> i have to use it with mingw32 and if i have more than one pathin PKG_CONFIG_PATH its removes \
[12:38] <slomo> crimsun: will you look at liferea and adonthell later? :)
[12:39] <crimsun> slomo: I will; I have them bookmarked
[12:41] <slomo> crimsun: thanks :) just wanted to be sure you haven't forgotten them... hmm... i really need elmo to finally add my key to the upload keyring :(
[12:42] <slomo> tseng: tell me how it is when it works :)
[12:42] <tseng> yeah.. right
[12:42] <slomo> do you plan to package it now already for breezy?
[12:43] <tseng> checking for GST... checking for GST... configure: error: Install gstreamer, gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-gconf, gstreamer-interfaces, and gstreamer-play
[12:43] <tseng> wth is this
[12:43] <tseng> slomo: no way
[12:43] <slomo> it needs gst-sharp which currently is only in the mono svn
[12:43] <tseng> false
[12:43] <slomo> i doesn't hmm
[12:43] <tseng> that was months ago
[12:43] <slomo> then they've changed that ;)
[12:43] <tseng> it now has its own gst binding
[12:43] <tseng> or.. helix
[12:43] <tseng> these guys smoke the hard stuff
[12:43] <slomo> iihh... helix
[12:45] <slomo> well their gst bindings only can be better than gst-sharp... i played a bit with gst-sharp and already found enough rough edges :/
[12:45] <tseng> yes
[12:45] <tseng> it was total crack
[12:46] <tseng> i dont like how abock develops
[12:46] <tseng> he rolls all the depends into his source
[12:46] <tseng> entagged, burn-sharp, hal-sharp
[12:46] <slomo> who's abock?
[12:46] <tseng> the author
[12:47] <tseng> of sonance
[12:47] <slomo> oh ok... hm, maybe we shall write him a mail to release the other stuff independend of sonace ;)
[12:48] <tseng> erm
[12:48] <tseng> you can do that until you turn blue
[12:48] <tseng> he really believes this is the best way
[12:49] <slomo> does he have some arguments? hm... maybe we shall fork the stuff then and release it independend to force him? ;P
[12:49] <tseng> haha
[12:49] <tseng> well alot of the stuff has crazy api
[12:49] <tseng> and has no real release
[12:50] <tseng> so you cant depend on it working from one day to the next on its own
[12:51] <slomo> entagged is this tag reading/writing library completly written in c#? (btw, why don't he use gst for this?!)
[12:51] <tseng> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[12:51] <tseng> wee!
[12:51] <tseng> slomo: entagged is very fast
[12:51] <tseng> slomo: gst is very slow, and needs to be wrapped
[12:51] <tseng> i thought the same thing at first, but i like entagged now
[12:52] <tseng> cowbell, dopi, muine, sonance will all use it
[12:52] <slomo> ok, right... gst is really slow for reading tags... but now a user has to update gst AND entagged to use his new media format :/
[12:53] <tseng> well adding my entire collection of music to muine or dopi is a lot faster
[12:53] <tseng> which i do much more often than start ripping new oddball formats
[12:53] <donsmith> How do I file a bug against a universe package?
[12:54] <crimsun> launchpad.net/malone
[12:54] <tseng> slomo: hm the meta package doesnt depend on -lame?
[12:54] <slomo> tseng: Depends: libgstreamer0.8-0, libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0, libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0, gstreamer0.8-plugin-apps, gstreamer0.8-faac, gstreamer0.8-faad, gstreamer0.8-lame, gstreamer0.8-wavpack, gstreamer0.8-dirac, gstreamer0.8-xvid
[12:55] <slomo> tseng: it does here
[12:55] <tseng> gstreamer0.8-lame is already the newest version.
[12:55] <tseng> oh
[12:55] <tseng> it must be leftover
[12:55] <tseng> s
[12:55] <tseng> nice work
[12:56] <tseng> now my boss can rip in sound-juicer without making a big fuss
[12:56] <tseng> you should have seen him try that on FC3
[12:56] <slomo> thanks :) i hope everything works correctly... i haven't tested the faac, lame, xvid, dirac and wavpack plugin ;)
[12:56] <tseng> he wanted to add the gst yum repo
[12:56] <tseng> and jeez
[12:56] <slomo> why don't he just use ogg vorbis?
[12:56] <tseng> there is a bug in yum using a proxy
[12:57] <tseng> they havent issued a fix after all this time
[12:57] <tseng> xvid i might have something for
[12:58] <tseng> argl that mythtv box is unreachable
[12:58] <slomo> btw... did you try thoggen? it seems really nice... but doesn't compile :(
[12:58] <tseng> the dvd ripper, yes?
[12:58] <slomo> yes
[12:58] <slomo> which only supports theora atm ;)
[12:58] <tseng> theora is nice
[12:58] <tseng> but how is it for high quality stuff?
[12:59] <slomo> i haven't tried it yet :/
[12:59] <tseng> http://www.thebroken.org/
[12:59] <slomo> maybe i should fix thoggen and rip one dvd of mine ;)
[12:59] <tseng> i think this is xvid
[12:59] <tseng> or similar
[12:59] <slomo> at least some mpeg4 stuff
[01:00] <ryanthiessen> thoggen is *great*, but theora encoding is terribly slow
[01:00] <tseng> hm
[01:01] <ryanthiessen> but it's the ripper with the best A/V sync I've found for linux, and works great with Ubuntu (need to compile your own for breezy though)
[01:01] <slomo> ryanthiessen: how did you compile it for breezy? our hal is too new for thoggen :/
[01:02] <ryanthiessen> slomo: I built from cvs on two boxes....
[01:02] <slomo> ah ok, i only tried the last release
[01:02] <ryanthiessen> yeah, the 0.3 tarball doesn't build because of hal problems
[01:02] <slomo> hmm... maybe i'll package the cvs version for breezy ;)
[01:03] <ryanthiessen> I wrote the thoggen-users list asking if they could release 0.4 in time for breezy but no response, and the cvs version still lists as v0.3 but I guess you could tweak that
[01:05] <tseng> Desktop/thebroken2.avi.part: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 432 x 320, ~30 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz)
[01:06] <tseng> i am playing this with gstreamer
[01:06] <slomo> gst-ffmpeg also decodes divx/mpeg4
[01:06] <tseng> ok
[01:06] <tseng> yeah
[01:06] <tseng> its ffmpeg
[01:07] <slomo> apt-get remove gst-ffmpeg ? ;)
[01:07] <tseng> i did
[01:07] <tseng> doesnt play with xvid
[01:07] <tseng> well, it plays layer 3 only
[01:07] <tseng> no video
[01:07] <slomo> hmm
[01:07] <slomo> try gst-launch-ext on the avi
[01:08] <tseng> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink }
[01:08] <tseng> works nice
[01:08] <tseng> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink }
[01:08] <tseng> w/o ffmpeg
[01:08] <tseng> hah it uses it anyway
[01:08] <tseng> or tries
[01:09] <slomo> yes... the decodebin ;)
[01:10] <slomo> ok, works for me :)
[01:15] <donsmith> I can't get tome to play mp4s from archive.org is that right?
[01:16] <donsmith> the video comes out choppy, and it can't read the audio
[01:16] <slomo> donsmith: tome?
[01:16] <donsmith> totem, sorry
[01:16] <slomo> oh... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-faad
[01:16] <slomo> or do you already have this?
[01:17] <donsmith> it's installed already, do I have to rebuild the plugin registry?
[01:17] <slomo> no... normally not...
[01:17] <slomo> but try running gst-register-0.8
[01:17] <slomo> does this help?
[01:18] <slomo> and give me a link to the mp4 :)
[01:19] <donsmith> http://www.archive.org/details/isforAto1953
[01:19] <donsmith> running gst-register doesn't seem to do anything
[01:19] <donsmith> it's the 256k one
[01:19] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look
[01:19] <donsmith> thanks
[01:20] <slomo> uhh.. archive.org is slow :(
[01:20] <tseng> i think the totem plugin is broken for me
[01:20] <slomo> donsmith: a do you use the totem plugin or did you download it?
[01:20] <slomo> donsmith: because the totem plugin is broken for me too ;)
[01:22] <tseng> is that dbus, glitz, xorg?
[01:22] <tseng> or just plain broken
[01:23] <slomo> probably plain broken... it never worked for me ;)
[01:23] <tseng> i used it happily for some time
[01:24] <ryanthiessen> it's working with breezy's totem-xine of a very recent vintage, though you may have to tweak some settings in gconf
[01:25] <ryanthiessen> specifically the max buffer setting, something like that
[01:26] <slomo> donsmith: doesn't work for me even after downloading it... and in mplayer it says: 'FAAD: Failed to decode frame: Unexpected channel configuration change'
[01:27] <tseng> faad?
[01:27] <tseng> interesting mix
[01:27] <slomo> yes... probably aac audio
[01:27] <slomo> and as faad2 is unmaintained upstream afaik (author works now for ahead) this probably won't get fixed :/
[01:28] <tseng> ahead nero?
[01:28] <slomo> yes... he's working on the aac encoder there
[01:28] <tseng> cant wait to get aac in entagged
[01:29] <slomo> hehe... doesn't help in this case :/
[01:29] <tseng> well i cant ship any aac support in muine as is
[01:29] <tseng> libmuine would have to link to faad
[01:29] <tseng> which is multiverse
[01:29] <tseng> with entagged (no faad) and gstreamer plugin
[01:29] <slomo> it only needs faad for the tags?
[01:29] <tseng> you are set
[01:29] <tseng> yes
[01:29] <slomo> oh ok
[01:30] <tseng> it would be completely optional
[01:30] <tseng> by installing gstreamer0.8-faad
[01:30] <slomo> hm but we really need someone working again on faad and faac :/
[01:30] <tseng> no one is that crazy
[01:31] <ryanthiessen> are the faad/faac issues patent related or copyright?
[01:31] <slomo> why? there are also people working on wmv (in ffmpeg), dts (libdts), mp3 (lame), mpeg4 (xvid)
[01:31] <slomo> ryanthiessen: patent
[01:32] <tseng> faad is really crappy
[01:32] <tseng> as youve noticed
[01:33] <slomo> but it's the only thing we have for aac decoding :/
[01:34] <slomo> hmm... cool
[01:34] <slomo> there a some checkins in the faad2 cvs by menno and some other guy at nero
[01:35] <slomo> s/some/one/
[01:35] <slomo> hm, maybe i'll update the faad2 package tomorrow
[01:36] <tseng> elite
[01:36] <slomo> same for faac
[01:40] <slomo> uh
[01:40] <slomo> faad2 has a new license clause
[01:40] <slomo> "
[01:40] <slomo> Software using this code must display the following message visibly in the software:
[01:40] <slomo> "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com"
[01:40] <slomo> in, for example, the about-box or help/startup screen. "
[01:41] <slomo> which makes it GPL incompatible and probably not ubuntu compatible... tseng?
[01:41] <tseng> um wow
[01:41] <tseng> i dont know about that one
[01:42] <slomo> that's in the cvs... 2.0 doesn't have this
[01:42] <slomo> (i hope)
[01:43] <slomo> nope, it doesn't...
[01:44] <ryanthiessen> what was the 2.0 license?
[01:44] <slomo> plain GPL-2
[01:44] <slomo> cvs is GPL-2 + this additional clause...
[01:45] <slomo> hehe...
[01:45] <ryanthiessen> hrm, how can they change the license like that, unless they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them?
[01:46] <tseng> they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them?
[01:46] <tseng> its been done
[01:47] <slomo> no idea
[01:48] <tseng> http://diva.mdk.org.pl/
[01:48] <tseng> there is definately some cool stuff coming for breezy+1
[01:48] <slomo> yeah i saw that already :)
[01:50] <slomo> hmm... that license change really annoys me *grmpf*
[01:50] <tseng> its already multiverse so..
[01:51] <slomo> tseng: sure but this change would disallow a gst-plugin for example
[01:51] <tseng> "the place where the bad toys go"
[01:51] <slomo> how can the gst-plugin show the string?
[01:51] <tseng> beats me
[01:51] <slomo> so we must stay with 2.0 until hell freezes over and someone forks faad 2.0 or writes his own aac decoder...
[01:51] <tseng> you could put it in the manpage
[01:52] <tseng> they arent very specific on that point
[01:52] <slomo> "display the following message visibly in the software"... manpage != software imho :(
[01:52] <slomo> hm, donsmith gave me a link to a aac decoder by real... https://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/datatype/aac/fileformat/
[01:53] <slomo> but this has another funny license ;)
[01:53] <Lathiat> how bout write the author and tell them they are a d**kh**d ;p
[01:53] <slomo> Lathiat: i wouldn't be the first to do that... there's a thread in their forum and in another forum of a software which uses faad2 ;)
[01:54] <Lathiat> well you make a thrid
[01:54] <Lathiat> and i'll make a 4th :)
[01:55] <slomo> ok... and tseng the third? ;)
[01:55] <slomo> err... fifth
[01:55] <Lathiat> hehe
[01:55] <tseng> um
[01:55] <tseng> whatever dudes
[01:55] <Lathiat> haha
[01:55] <slomo> Lathiat: what email address do you want? mbakker@nero.com is the main author
[01:56] <Lathiat> nero.com.. interestign
[01:56] <slomo> hehe... that's probably the problem...
[01:57] <slomo> i think ahead doesn't want them to work on another aac project when they don't get the credit for it...
[01:57] <slomo> so it must display "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com" somewhere
[02:00] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:01] <tseng> http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005081526127.gif
[02:02] <slomo> lol
[02:02] <ajmitch> so f-spot 0.1.1 is in sid
[02:02] <ajmitch> no users screaming at me yet
[02:03] <ajmitch> so it's probably safe to sync
[02:03] <tseng> sounds good to me
[02:03] <slomo> ajmitch: does it already use gtk#2?
[02:03] <ajmitch> slomo: yes
[02:03] <slomo> ah wonderfull :)
[02:03] <tseng> maybe by breezy+1 we can kill gtk# 1
[02:03] <tseng> that would be a good deal
[02:03] <ajmitch> the depends are fairly tight with it though
[02:03] <slomo> tseng: how's your progress on gtk# 2.3.90? maybe we should wait for the sync until you're finished with it
[02:04] <ajmitch> so we'll have to check how it goes with 2.3.90
[02:04] <tseng> im running it here
[02:04] <tseng> ajmitch: WFM
[02:04] <tseng> i really want to talk to meebey still
[02:04] <tseng> he is MIA
[02:04] <ajmitch> yeah, will do
[02:04] <tseng> i have asked him a dozen questions
[02:04] <Lathiat> does it fix the drive widget in the import dialog?
[02:04] <tseng> yes
[02:04] <Lathiat> yay
[02:04] <Lathiat> how the hell did that happen anyway :)
[02:05] <slomo> tseng: MIA?
[02:05] <ajmitch> missing in action
[02:05] <ajmitch> gone, vanished
[02:05] <slomo> tseng: so you have it ready, just waiting on your harddrive for meebey's answers? ;) fine... hopefully he returns tomorrow or monday :)
[02:06] <tseng> yes
[02:06] <tseng> i like to coordinate with meebey
[02:06] <tseng> we are a team
[02:06] <tseng> if he doesnt like it, i do it anyway
[02:06] <ajmitch> the pkg-mono crack team
[02:06] <tseng> but at least i give him first option :)
[02:06] <slomo> lol
[02:06] <Lathiat> haha
[02:07] <slomo> what have you done that he possibly don't like? ;)
[02:07] <tseng> gtkhtml
[02:07] <tseng> firefox
[02:07] <ajmitch> tseng: dropped gtkhtml < 3.8?
[02:07] <ajmitch> and what have you done w.r.t firefox?
[02:08] <ajmitch> since sid still has mozilla-firefox
[02:08] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, sent the mail to menno ;) have you done your's?
[02:08] <ajmitch> heh, 'mozilla-venkman'
[02:09] <tseng> its not the meebey doesnt like things i do
[02:09] <tseng> they just dont always suit debian
[02:09] <tseng> we build all our gtkmozembed stuff with firefox
[02:09] <tseng> debian doesnt ship gtkmozembed from ff
[02:09] <ajmitch> I had zomb complaining about my changelog when I did my first f-spot upload :)
[02:09] <tseng> hah he was just busting you
[02:10] <slomo> tseng: but what have you done with firefox? gtk# doesn't use mozilla/firefox... only gecko# does... or did you update this too? ;)
[02:10] <tseng> um
[02:10] <tseng> i didnt mean gtk# specifically
[02:10] <tseng> gecko#, blam, beagle
[02:11] <slomo> oh... sounds nice :) blam and beagle for gtk#2?
[02:11] <tseng> moo?
[02:12] <slomo> are the updated blam and beagle using gtk#2? ;) i don't know whether they've switched finally...
[02:12] <tseng> beagle in cvws
[02:12] <tseng> cvs
[02:12] <tseng> blam
[02:12] <tseng> good luck
[02:12] <tseng> you are lucky it even works at all
[02:13] <tseng> its hard
[02:13] <Lathiat> heh
[02:13] <donsmith> I always preferred liferea anyway
[02:13] <Lathiat> i use blam
[02:13] <tseng> gross
[02:13] <whiprush> heh
[02:13] <donsmith> the folder support is the killer feature
[02:14] <Lathiat> what got me stuck to it
[02:14] <slomo> tseng: lol ok... so your updated blam and beagle still use gtk#1? :/
[02:14] <Lathiat> was marking posts read from one feed read in another
[02:14] <slomo> donsmith: yes, liferea is really nice :)
[02:14] <tseng> slomo: yes
[02:14] <slomo> tseng: :( hm, then we maybe can drop gtk#1 for breezy+1... lets see what happens ;)
[02:14] <ajmitch> slomo: we can only hope
[02:15] <tseng> yeah certianly not now
[02:15] <ajmitch> MD uses 2, right?\
[02:15] <slomo> ajmitch: yes
[02:16] <tseng> tomboy, blam, monodoc will stay at 1.x
[02:16] <tseng> cowbell, muine, md, beagle, monopod
[02:16] <tseng> 2.x
[02:16] <tseng> f-spot
[02:16] <tseng> monodoc will be a tough sell
[02:16] <tseng> its right under miguels nose
[02:16] <tseng> and he smokes major crack about gtk#
[02:17] <slomo> hehe... what are his arguments to not use gtk#2 for it?
[02:17] <tseng> that not enough people have gtk+ 2.4 installed
[02:18] <slomo> who are these people? i don't know anyone who still uses somethin < 2.4... even the machines at our university have 2.4
[02:18] <tseng> "enterprise distros"
[02:18] <tseng> see
[02:19] <ajmitch> novell distros, he means
[02:19] <tseng> miguel has some customers that he pushes NLD on
[02:19] <tseng> yes
[02:19] <tseng> and it is shitty and old
[02:19] <slomo> grmpf
[02:19] <tseng> he thinks this is a good target audience
[02:20] <tseng> the community has distros from the last 6 months
[02:20] <tseng> suse pro, ubuntu, fedora
[02:20] <slomo> this people even don't use a fairly up to date mono... how can they be a good target audience?
[02:20] <tseng> eh
[02:20] <tseng> they install mono from redcarpet
[02:20] <tseng> its updated all the time
[02:22] <tseng> good
[02:23] <slomo> hrm... tseng, when i hack together a patch for monodoc which let it use gtk#2... can we try to ship this for breezy+1 when it's stable? probably not or what do you think?
[02:23] <tseng> slomo: im not mucking with that
[02:23] <tseng> slomo: it should happen in that timeframe anyway, I think
[02:23] <tseng> that is 8 months from now
[02:24] <slomo> tseng: ok, let's wait... otherwise i'll try ;) finally some coding again ;)
[02:24] <tseng> a few more people will install gtk+-2.4 or something
[02:24] <tseng> any changes in cowbell svn btw?
[02:24] <tseng> oh i have a checkout right here
[02:25] <slomo> tseng: no, nothing... i hope cowbell isn't dead :/
[02:25] <tseng> doubt it
[02:25] <tseng> ajmitch: which did you get again?
[02:26] <tseng> i have a dell inspiron 6000, i think it will be cake
[02:26] <tseng> similar kit to my 600m
[02:26] <ajmitch> apparantly a latitude D510 or something
[02:26] <tseng> fancy
[02:26] <ajmitch> something fairly basic
[02:26] <ajmitch> hardly fancy
[02:26] <tseng> all the laptops shipping are lowend afaik
[02:26] <slomo> hmm... everybody got one... ;)
[02:26] <ajmitch> tseng: nah, there were some highend ones shipped
[02:27] <whiprush> an x41 iirc
[02:27] <tseng> whiprush: !
[02:27] <tseng> whiprush: google chat me
[02:27] <whiprush> k
[02:27] <tseng> brandon.hale
[02:27] <slomo> tseng: ah you also have a googletalk account? ;) but as long as they don't open their doors for other jabber servers i won't use it...
[02:27] <tseng> yeah
[02:28] <tseng> you have my other jabber
[02:28] <whiprush> i'm sure they will eventually
[02:28] <slomo> whiprush: i hope they will... that would be the best support jabber ever had ;)
[02:28] <whiprush> yes.
[02:29] <ajmitch> and I hope they get proper open standards for the voip parts
[02:31] <Lathiat> an x41? damn
[02:31] <whiprush> I think it's sip ajmitch
[02:31] <ajmitch> whiprush: SIP in the 'near future', they say
[02:31] <whiprush> which would be cool.
[02:31] <ajmitch> but not SIP at the moment
[02:31] <whiprush> ah
[02:32] <ryanthiessen> whiprush: I think the reason to block other jabber servers was over spamming fears, not sure how they will easily overcome that in the short term
[02:32] <slomo> ajmitch: btw, did you had a chance to look at my mcatalog package and did jacek write a mail to you regarding nemerle?
[02:32] <whiprush> I'm sure it'll all work out.
[02:33] <ajmitch> slomo: I have no email about nemerle that I see
[02:33] <slomo> ryanthiessen: hm, seems like a bad solution for spam prevention... they better add something for that to their client
[02:36] <ryanthiessen> slomo: from what I can deduce, they are concerned that anyone can get a jabber account on a stray server and message someone on google talk, easy pickings for spammers.  but to get a gmail account you need to be invited or use your US cellphone, making that sort of spamming easier to stop.  so, it's not a simple problem to overcome, but whiprush is right they probably will eventually
[02:36] <ajmitch> excellent, got f-spot to crash & burn
[02:37] <tseng> how?
[02:37] <ajmitch> slideshow, go forward a few images.. hit left arrow to try & go back, space again to go fowards a couple of times & it dies
[02:37] <ajmitch> IndexOutOfRangeException
[02:38] <tseng> huh
[02:38] <tseng> good one
[02:38] <slomo> ryanthiessen: but the solution now is like this: you can only get mail from other gmail users and write mails to other gmails users...
[02:38] <tseng> better file a bug for 0.1.2
[02:38] <slomo> ryanthiessen: that can't be the right solution against spam
[02:38] <ajmitch> man, some scary photos in my collection
[02:39] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/Images/Brooke/114_1456.JPG
[02:40] <tseng> hm
[02:41] <ryanthiessen> slomo: indeed, I think it's a stop-gap until they can figure out a better way -- and if they want to do interop with aim/yahoo/etc they need to figure that out anyhow
[02:43] <slomo> ryanthiessen: do they really plan to interop with other IM system with jabber transports? that would be the killer feature then for the normal user ;) currently they don't have anything the others don't have... but are missing many functions the others have
[02:45] <tseng> they have voice
[02:45] <tseng> and the google brand
[02:45] <slomo> tseng: others too... icq had it since ~2000 iirc
[02:45] <whiprush> server to server and open voice would be nice.
[02:45] <whiprush> that would be the only 2 things missing imo.
[02:46] <slomo> whiprush: yeah... exactly :) and maybe open video chat... maybe with the protocol apple uses in ichat
[02:47] <whiprush> all I want is sip so that I can buy service from any provider.
[02:47] <whiprush> I would so get rid of my phone.
[02:47] <tseng> most sip providers lock you into their hardware
[02:47] <tseng> which is locked firmware
[02:47] <whiprush> yeah but enough decent ones exist.
[02:48] <ryanthiessen> slomo: they haven't said how, but they say they want to.  indeed, that would killer.
[02:50] <slomo> tseng: do you know whether mono's System.IO.FileSystemWatcher uses inotify?
[02:54] <tseng> slomo: it does not.
[02:54] <tseng> it should use inotify and fall back on fam
[02:54] <tseng> in a perfect world
[02:54] <slomo> and in our world it just polls?
[02:54] <tseng> i think it uses fam
[02:55] <tseng> which could mean "just polls"
[02:55] <tseng> in a round about sort of way
[02:55] <slomo> so it uses gamin which uses inotify (i hope)
[02:55] <tseng> erm
[02:55] <tseng> "maybe"
[02:55] <slomo> ok... for breezy it does? ;)
[02:56] <tseng> beats me
[03:07] <Mitario> re
[03:07] <Mitario> everyone
[03:13] <Mitario> any motu around still? :)
[03:14] <slomo> tseng: hm... at least it works better than Gnome.Vfs.Monitor... this one doesn't notice anything except when the metadata of a file is changed :(
[03:14] <slomo> tseng: but seems to be a general issue with gnomevfs atm... at least it doesn't notice when i put a cd in
[03:14] <slomo> Mitario: yes, i'm here ;) welcome back :)
[03:15] <Mitario> slomo, thanks :) i'm a bit drunk but not enought to be unable to fix packages :)
[03:15] <slomo> Mitario: hehe, same here :)
[03:16] <slomo> Mitario: but i'm working on something else ;)
[03:16] <Mitario> heh ok :)
[03:16] <Mitario> slomo can you look at some debdiffs I made earlier in a few?
[03:16] <Mitario> (including kaffe)
[03:17] <slomo> Mitario: sure... but this doesn't help you much (except my blessing ;) )... i'm also waiting for elmo to give me upload rights like you do
[03:17] <Mitario> ahh right :)
[03:17] <slomo> can you give me an url?
[03:17] <Mitario> they will be up on MichielSikkesMOTU (w.u.c)
[03:17] <slomo> Mitario: (over a month now...)
[03:18] <Mitario> hrm
[03:18] <Mitario> i tried to contact him the last few days
[03:18] <Mitario> but hes been busy with the server crashes and such
[03:18] <slomo> Mitario: he doesn't work on weekends... and he's always busy ;)
[03:18] <Mitario> hehe :)
[03:20] <Mitario> there's some weird problem with my mouse in X again :(
[03:20] <Mitario> it's really slow
[03:20] <Mitario> had taht problem a few weeks ago too
[03:20] <Mitario> but then it just left
[03:21] <Mitario> bah, my trousers are full of beer
[03:21] <slomo> Mitario: haha :P btw, when you're interested you can do the whole wx 2.5 -> 2.6 transition :) there's more 2.5 stuff lying around
[03:22] <Mitario> slomo, oh sure, you have a pkg list somewhere
[03:22] <Mitario> crimsun, still awake? :)
[03:22] <Mitario> actually i'm very active when I'm drunk so..
[03:24] <slomo> Mitario: i don't have a list... and don't know how to create a list for unmet deps of only one package :(
[03:24] <slomo> Mitario: maybe parse apt-cache unmet | grep --context 5 wx
[03:25] <slomo> Mitario: and your "fixed" debdiffs look ok... i would upload them if i could ;)
[03:25] <Mitario> they are already uploaded :)
[03:25] <Mitario> but I've not added new ones yet
[03:26] <slomo> hum... ok ;)
[03:26] <Mitario> brb restarting X
[03:36] <tseng> slomo: what are you trying to do?
[03:36] <slomo> tseng: where? the wx stuff or gnomevfs?
[03:36] <tseng> slomo: vfs
[03:37] <slomo> tseng: i'm trying to get an event when a file i'm watching get's changed or deleted
[03:37] <tseng> slomo: beagle and muine-inotify have direct inotify hooks
[03:38] <slomo> hmm... when the gnomevfs behavior doesn't change i'll take their solution... thanks :)
[03:39] <tseng> there is also a gnomevfs patch
[03:39] <tseng> to use inotify in place of fam
[03:39] <tseng> the other two you need from cvs / patch
[03:40] <slomo> hmm... but in breezy we have gamin as a replacement for fam so this shouldn't matter... but it seems gnomevfs has a bug
[03:40] <tseng> or gamin
[03:40] <slomo> yes... at least something is wrong there ;)
[03:42] <pef> have you an idea for a program managing jobs requests ? (when you have sent a letter, when you have to recall the society, ...)
[03:42] <pef> an idea for the name of the program
[03:42] <pef> (program I'm writting)
[03:43] <pef> (gpl of course)
[03:51] <Mitario> "workfloor" ;)
[03:51] <Mitario> hi ogra
[03:55] <Mitario> any more packages which need love?
[04:00] <slomo> every package apt-cache unmet lists ;)
[04:00] <Mitario> heh yeah, ajmitch was also looking at them :)
[04:00] <slomo> or do you know something about slang? then i have something more difficult for you ;)
[04:00] <tseng> there are plenty to share
[04:01] <Mitario> tseng, true
[04:02] <Mitario> sometimes I don't udnerstand, I run that unmets command  which generates that list, and it lists xpdf
[04:02] <Mitario> I apt-get install xpdf, and it just works
[04:04] <slomo> Mitario: which unmets command? apt-cache unmet or the one from the wiki?
[04:04] <slomo> Mitario: the one from the wiki lists source packages... maybe xpdf has some other binary package which can't be installed
[04:04] <Mitario> the one from the wiki
[04:04] <Mitario> hmm, ok
[04:08] <tseng> Binary: xpdf-utils, xpdf-common, xpdf-reader, xpdf
[04:08] <Mitario> yeah, but they all install correctly here
[04:09] <tseng> all seem fine to me
[04:10] <slomo> hmm
[04:10] <ajmitch> possibly a broken Suggests, then
[04:11] <ajmitch> apt-cache unmet is a little strange like that
[04:14] <slomo> apt-cache rdepend also... it lists Conflicts/Replaces
[04:31] <slomo> good night everbody (aaaah... 4:30 am here...)
[04:34] <tseng> bye slomo
[04:48] <Mitario> gonig too
[04:48] <Mitario> night everyone
[04:48] <Mitario> 4:48 here now :)
[05:27] <crimsun> Mitario: yes?
[05:27] <crimsun> d'oh
[06:07] <StrikeForce> Can I get someones opinion on Bittorrent
[06:08] <crimsun> the protocol or the program or the company?
[06:08] <StrikeForce> lol
[06:08] <StrikeForce> no the program
[06:08] <StrikeForce> I've downloaded 4.0.4 now when creating the deb files should I create 2 binaries?
[06:08] <StrikeForce> e.g. bittorrent and bittorrent-gui?
[06:09] <crimsun> you would need to if it provides both, yes.
[06:09] <crimsun> there is hesitation regarding bt4's new license
[06:09] <crimsun> more than likely it would have to go into multiverse in breezy+1
[06:09] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[06:10] <StrikeForce> I thought  it was still open source?
[06:10] <crimsun> it is, but the license is questionably restrictive
[06:10] <crimsun> there has been some discussion on debian-legal
[06:10] <whiprush> what did he change the license to?
[06:10] <StrikeForce> nope
[06:10] <whiprush> nm, I see
[06:10] <StrikeForce> its bittorrent-open-source license
[06:10] <StrikeForce> ffs :(
[06:11] <whiprush> heh
[06:11] <crimsun> StrikeForce: that's fine for multiverse. It may not be fine for universe or main.
[06:12] <StrikeForce> yeah
[06:12] <StrikeForce> I just reread it :(
[06:12] <StrikeForce> Jabber Open Source License 1.0 (the "JOSL") He's basically copied this
[06:12] <StrikeForce> and edited further
[06:15] <StrikeForce> stupid question I know but how do I know what to separate for bittorrent and bittorrent-gui?
[07:14] <vincent_> Hi, I am going to program Atmel AVR micro-controllers and the program required to program these chips, called 'avrdude', is not in Synaptic.
[07:15] <vincent_> There are the packages 'avrp' and 'avrprog', but both of them are now ovsolete and ought to be removed.
[07:16] <vincent_> Avrprog can be downloaded here : http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avrdude/
[07:16] <crimsun> we can put avrp and avrprog as morgue candidates
[07:16] <crimsun> ok, you mean avrdude
[07:16] <vincent_> It compiles with no problems on an up to date Breezy, just requires the package 'tetex' otherwise the make will fail.
[07:16] <crimsun> and it's REALLY late in the release cycle for pushing in new packages, but if you have working debs, please put them on revu
[07:17] <vincent_> I have been invited on the ubuntu-users to try and make a package for MOTU, but I have never done it so will need to study the subject first... :-/
[07:18] <vincent_> I did make a deb package with 'checkinstall', but I was told that this is not good/useable for the Ubuntu repo.. :o(
[07:19] <vincent_> Yes avrdude not avrprog, sorry for the typo/confusion ! :-/
[07:21] <vincent_> Yes it's late, but no problem, since It's easy to compile apparently. I was only asking to put on th elist for Breezy+1, so that in the future I can install it more easily :o)
[07:23] <vincent_> Ah, while I am at it, the 'C' libraries are also waaaay out of date, would be good to have updated. The package is name avr-libc and the URL for download is : http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avr-libc/
[07:24] <whiprush> looks like it's in sid already
[07:24] <vincent_> I don't know how difficult avr-libc is to install, but I guess it can' be complicated as it's not a program, but just a bunch of files/libraires to copy in /usr/lib IIRC.
[07:28] <vincent_> Oh great, the latest avrdude is indeed in debian, so I guess it will land in Breezy+1 automatically ? They also have avr-libc but sadly the version is still very very old :-/
[07:29] <whiprush> yeah it'll probably get picked up automatically
[07:29] <whiprush> it wouldn't hurt to check on it when that time comes though
[07:32] <vincent_> Yes I think as soon as Breezy comes out and development on Breezy+1 starts (hence the debian sync), I will check that avrdude is indeed picked up, and if avr-libc isn't updated, I will take the time to learn how to make a pacakage of it from source, and give it to you guys for approval... ;-)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> whiprush, how is the fridge coming?
[09:29] <Mithrandir> ogra: do you mind if I pull mercurial into universe?  It's in Debian, but not in Ubuntu.
[09:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: it's a bzr-like scm, used by Xen (among other things)
[09:45] <\sh> moins
[09:59] <siretart> moin
[10:36] <\sh> re
[10:37] <\sh> hmmm....today i'm playing with windows on this r200...but I don't like it
[10:37] <\sh> windows is crap
[11:14] <herve> hello
[11:55] <siretart> hi herve
[11:57] <robotgeek> hi, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1138 is marked as fixed, but i still get the same  error. i filed a new bug at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1926 referencing the old one.
[11:58] <siretart> robotgeek: are you perhaps on hoary?
[11:59] <robotgeek> Linux utopic 2.6.12-7-powerpc #1 Fri Aug 19 14:48:03 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[11:59] <siretart> hm. I see
[11:59] <robotgeek> siretart: i am positive i am on breezy, but is there any other confirmation?
[12:00] <siretart> I cannot reproduce it on x86, so maybe there is some package on ppc missing
[12:00] <robotgeek> siretart: that's what the old bug said too, i guess it was not fixed upstream or so?
[12:01] <siretart> dependencies most likly not  a upstream bug but a distribution bug
[12:01] <robotgeek> okay...so, filing a new bug was the right action?
[12:02] <siretart> I'm not sure yet. have to see the cause first
[12:02] <robotgeek> is there any more information you guys would need?
[12:03] <robotgeek> maybe if i just wait, it will all go away :)
[12:03] <siretart> hm
[12:03] <siretart> robotgeek: can you install libmodplug0?
[12:04] <siretart> according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libm/libmodplug/1:0.7-4ubuntu1/ it has been sucessfully built
[12:04] <robotgeek> E: Package libmodplug0 has no installation candidate
[12:05] <robotgeek> maybe they just need to update the breezy mirror?
[12:05] <siretart> libmodplug0 was renamed to libmodplug0c2
[12:05] <siretart> because of cxx transition
[12:05] <siretart> so vlc needs a rebuilt against the new package
[12:06] <robotgeek> okay...i am new to this, so i kinda lost u :)
[12:06] <siretart> and this is the reason: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.2-1ubuntu3/
[12:07] <robotgeek> okay
[12:07] <siretart> robotgeek: ok, I'll try to explain it to you
[12:07] <siretart> robotgeek: vlc has been uploaded to be rebuilt to match the newer libmodplug
[12:07] <siretart> robotgeek: libmodplug was changed because of new compiler gcc-4.0
[12:07] <robotgeek> okay
[12:08] <siretart> robotgeek: the problem you are experiencing is, that the newer vlc got build on x86, but not on ppc
[12:08] <siretart> robotgeek: because according to the buildlog (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.2-1ubuntu3/vlc_0.8.2-1ubuntu3_20050827-0148-powerpc-failed.gz) it uses some special magic on ppc
[12:08] <robotgeek> siretart: so compiling from source wouldn't work for me, good i din't do it :)
[12:08] <robotgeek> i think might have to do with alitvec
[12:08] <robotgeek> *alitvec
[12:09] <siretart> robotgeek: the problem is that it fails to build from source on ppc
[12:09] <siretart> yes, it looks like it
[12:09] <robotgeek> *altivec*
[12:09] <siretart> as I don't have a ppc, I cannot debug this problem
[12:09] <robotgeek> nah, just tht will let you guys know..totem-xine works fine too :)
[12:09] <siretart> so we need to wait for someone with ppc, who can look into this problem and provide a patch, so we can build ppc again
[12:10] <siretart> vlc is great crack. It would really be great to have it on ppc, too
[12:10] <robotgeek> i can try compiling it, patching it...farcry!
[12:10] <siretart> ajmitch! :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> siretart: !
[12:10] <robotgeek> :)
[12:10] <siretart> :)
[12:11] <robotgeek> anyways, i am heading off to sleep. thanks guys!
[12:12] <ajmitch> siretart: you want me to try & use it to compile something?
[12:12] <siretart> robotgeek: sleep well!
[12:12] <robotgeek> thanks..i'll just update the bug report before i go off, so that ppl don't have to look
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: vlc FTBFS on ppc because of some altivec magic failing, because of gcc-4.0 (just a guess)
[12:13] <SloMo_> hi
[12:13] <SloMo_> i can try later on ppc when my ibook boots again ;)
[12:14] <robotgeek> somebody already did!
[12:14] <slomo> ok ;)
[12:14] <robotgeek> great, now i can go off to sleep listening to the audiobook of 1984!
[12:15] <robotgeek> nite
[02:53] <Mitario> good morning everyone
[02:54] <slomo> good morning Mitario :)
[02:56] <Mitario> shlal I try and ping elmo again? :/
[02:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:57] <Mitario> hey sistpoty!
[02:57] <Mitario> know the problem with kaffe btw :)
[02:57] <sistpoty> cool :)
[02:57] <sistpoty> did you solve it?
[02:58] <Mitario> yeah sort of, it builds at least, but there's some configure bug in the upstream source, which doesn't include -I/usr/include/freetype2
[02:58] <Mitario> so you'll have to put --with-includes in at configure time
[02:59] <sistpoty> good work :)
[02:59] <Mitario> or looking at configure.ac, you can add the option --with-gtk-cairo which will include the freetype headers, BUT that one FTBFS
[03:00] <sistpoty> hehe, didn't have any look on running autoconf/automake either ;)
[03:00] <sistpoty> s/look/luck/
[03:01] <Mitario> brb reboot
[03:02] <tseng> UMODE +E EVERYBODY!
[03:04] <sistpoty> i finally managed to register to nickserv *g*... maybe i can reclaim my nick on dsl reconnect this way as a side-effect :)
[03:04] <tseng> i really hate global message spam
[03:05] <sistpoty> same as me... and i also hate these bloody /me is away msgs to all channels, though i don't know where to turn this of in kvirc
[03:06] <sistpoty> s/of/off/
[03:07] <sistpoty> ping siretart
[03:08] <siretart> sistpoty: hi!
[03:08] <sistpoty> huhu, great news about revu-server :)
[03:08] <siretart> sistpoty: good to see you, I've been searching for you :)
[03:08] <sistpoty> hehe, sorry, came home late last night
[03:08] <siretart> sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[03:09] <siretart> sistpoty: svn and trac already moved, but I think I'll need your help moving the sql database ;)
[03:09] <sistpoty> yeehaa! good work :)
[03:16] <Mitario> re
[03:21] <siretart> wb Mitario
[03:22] <Mitario> anyone needs help with a package he's been working on? or shall I just continue with unmetdeps
[03:27] <siretart> unmet deps is fine
[03:42] <Mitario> can anyone look at the two debdiffs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichielSikkesMOTU?
[03:51] <slomo> Mitario: lets ping elmo together tomorrow, ok? :)
[03:53] <slomo> Mitario: your debdiffs look fine... but my in-brain textparser seems to be broken ;) what did you change at the build-depends for kaffe?
[03:53] <sistpoty> ok, revu is currently moving... please don't upload/comment to revu atm
[03:55] <Lathiat> siretart: but dude! aptgetorg should totally come first
[03:55] <Lathiat> its the obvious choice
[03:55] <Lathiat> we need hot new stuff (tm) now
[03:56] <siretart> Lathiat: our new, canonical sponsored server for revu has arrived
[03:56] <siretart> Lathiat: sistpoty and me are currently moving revu
[03:56] <Lathiat> siretart: oh sweeet
[03:56] <Lathiat> siretart: that rocks
[03:57] <Lathiat> wheres it hosted?
[03:57] <sistpoty> canoical rock :)
[03:57] <siretart> Lathiat: at serverpronto.com, in us
[03:57] <Lathiat> cool
[03:57] <siretart> absolutley!
[05:12] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys, could you get the new tvtime into universe? it fixes some bugs.
[05:27] <siretart> HiddenWolf: which bugs?
[05:30] <HiddenWolf> Some shit with drivers and kernel modules.
[05:31] <HiddenWolf> my bttv module keeps resetting. 0.99 should solve it, and in the time I've hung out in #tvtime, those issues have come up in multiple variants.
[05:32] <Lathiat> i have an issue with that
[05:32] <Lathiat> but im not so sure its not my card at fault
[05:32] <Lathiat> i get all sorts of lovely PCI errors
[05:32] <siretart> HiddenWolf: I fail to see how an updated tvtime fixes bugs in bttv. can you point me to some relevant bugnr?
[05:33] <HiddenWolf> siretart, no, I can't. I just see a lot of people coming into #tvime who mostly seem to be helped with 0.99
[05:34] <siretart> HiddenWolf: I don't think that this is a strong reason to break UVF
[05:34] <siretart> hm
[05:35] <siretart> debian is still at 0.9.15
[05:35] <siretart> HiddenWolf: perhaps you can prepare a new version?
[05:35] <HiddenWolf> siretart, I haven't compiled anything in ages, and never made a .deb
[05:36] <HiddenWolf> So I would, but I'd need some serieus figuring out to do. :P
[05:38] <siretart> HiddenWolf: any dev online?
[05:39] <HiddenWolf> vektor just went afk, it seems.
[05:48] <siretart> :)
[05:48] <HiddenWolf> so tell me, how do I turn a .tar.gz into an app. :P
[05:48] <siretart> uufff.
[05:48] <siretart> thats a long story.. ;)
[05:49] <HiddenWolf> It's quite essential to me. I still haven't managed to get sound on my tuner, never gotten mythtv to work, and freevo is uninstallable. :(
[05:49] <HiddenWolf> I've got no clue where the error lies tho.
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> siretart, can't I bribe you to run the deb for me personally. *wink*
[05:55] <siretart> HiddenWolf: depends how much you pay *g*
[05:56] <siretart> HiddenWolf: which archtitecture are you running? you are on breezy, are you?
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> hoary x86, yes.
[05:56] <siretart> ok
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> wait.
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> breezy
[05:56] <siretart> ok
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> world-of-pain breezy. ;)
[05:56] <siretart> hmm. 0.99 fails to build with gcc-4.0
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> Oh my, there goes their claim of it being a perfect app. :)
[05:57] <siretart> sorry. bug vector to get it compiled with gcc-4.0
[05:58] <siretart> vektor, even
[05:58] <HiddenWolf> I will. :P
[05:58] <Lathiat> hrm
[05:58] <Lathiat> ipac-ng is totally broken in breezy
[06:04] <Mitario> hi everyone :)
[06:06] <Mitario> slomo, i've added --with-includes :)
[06:06] <Mitario> slomo, oh right nothing in build depends
[06:06] <Mitario> I added and removed libfreetype6-dev
[06:06] <slomo> Mitario: hmm... weird ;)
[06:07] <HiddenWolf> OMG. I've got windows media player streams working in firefox. :)
[06:08] <Mitario> slomo, yeah, maybe a whitespace somewhere
[06:08] <Mitario> any motus around?
[06:09] <slomo> Mitario: we two... ;) and siretart is probably also there... at least 10 minutes ago he has written something
[06:09] <Mitario> yeah I mean, with upload rights ;)
[06:10] <siretart> and hungry..
[06:10] <Mitario> ahh ftp-master dead again?
[06:10] <siretart> seems so
[06:10] <siretart> njam!
[06:10] <siretart> :)
[06:10] <Mitario> hmm, I'm in for mac donalds :D
[06:11] <slomo> wah... mc donalds is ugly :P only the chicken nuggets are good there ;)
[06:11] <Mitario> yeah :D
[06:11] <Mitario> and the strawberry milkshakes
[06:12] <Mitario> not much happening in breezy today :)
[06:13] <Mitario> hmm, CC this tuesday
[06:13] <Mitario> hope I can be there :/
[06:13] <Mitario> hmm, lots of emergancy services today
[06:17] <Mitario> wow it's 22 C over heer
[06:17] <Mitario> re*
[06:24] <Mitario> btw, what's the progress of helping with AptGetOrf?
[06:24] <Mitario> g*
[06:24] <Mitario> reviewing?
[06:24] <Mitario> hmm, talk a lot don't
[06:24] <Mitario> I
[08:04] <Mitario> re
[08:04] <Mitario> is the aalib transition done?
[08:05] <Mitario> oh right minus -dev
[08:09] <SloMo_> Mitario: i've done that already
[08:09] <SloMo_> Mitario: just waiting for someone to upload
[08:09] <Mitario> ok
[08:10] <Mitario> you've done every one of them?
[08:10] <slomo> mplayer is done anyways... that's just an old binary flying around
[08:11] <slomo> and i've done every one of them except the stuff in main (notified infinity about that, he will have a look tomorrow) and the stuff i can't fix
[08:11] <Mitario> ok, cool
[08:11] <slomo>  fte, dbacl, dosemu, slsc, smilutils
[08:11] <slomo> thats the stuff i can't fix
[08:12] <slomo> but these also need slang2 transition... aalib is no problem ;)
[08:12] <slomo> and these programs are a bit harder to port to slang2 then the other ones... need great changes in the sources... so when you know something about slang look at them ;)
[08:13] <Mitario> heh, to be honest, I don't :/
[08:13] <Mitario> but I can try and look
[08:14] <slomo> hehe... the simple changes are SLang_Error has been replaced by int SLang_get_error(void) and void SLang_set_error(int)
[08:14] <slomo> everything else is hard... and for these packages (except dosemu) upstream seems to be dead...
[08:15] <Mitario> should be a slang2 api doc somewhere
[08:15] <Mitario> i assume
[08:15] <slomo> yes... wait...
[08:16] <slomo> there are also all changes listed
[08:17] <Mitario> oki
[08:17] <slomo> port?
[08:17] <Mitario> port/rebuild
[08:17] <slomo> ok ;)
[08:17] <slomo> ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slang/v2.0/slangdoc-2.0.4.tar.gz
[08:17] <Mitario> well by building fdclock, it seems it can't find some cairo functions
[08:17] <slomo> there's the slang2 doc
[08:17] <Mitario> so maybe even port port :/
[08:17] <Mitario> ok
[08:18] <slomo> hehe when you don't want to port fdclock i'll do... some reason to look further into cairo :)
[08:18] <Mitario> hmmm this looks weird: fdclock.c:44: warning: implicit declaration of function 'cairo_set_rgb_color_REPLACED_BY_cairo_set_source_rgb'
[08:18] <Mitario> well If you really want to, be my guest :)
[08:19] <slomo> ok, i'll take it when you want :) but lets not work on the same package at the same time ;)
[08:19] <Mitario> sure, go ahead, if you have time :)
[08:19] <Mitario> then i'll move on to another pkg
[08:20] <slomo> ah and for the slang2 doc... seems like it's out of date for some functions... there you have to look to slang.h or even the slang2 sources...
[08:20] <Mitario> ok
[08:22] <slomo> ok, fdclock looks easy but it's a reason to look into cairo :) i'll do it when i'm back later... please don't take this package back ;)
[08:24] <Mitario> you can have it :)
[09:46] <tgall> anyone awake to answer some "newbie" type questions ...
[09:47] <tgall> specifically,  does ubuntu have a similiar document /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy.html/ch2.html#s2.1  like debian does ?
[09:47] <tgall> this is for setting up debian/menu.ex for a new package
[09:48] <JanC> Ubuntu uses de XDG standard for menu entries
[09:49] <tgall> hmm gotta pointer for some docs on thta ?
[09:49] <tgall> afraid I'm rock stupid on that topic
[09:49] <JanC> hm, I have link somewhere
[09:50] <tgall> thanks JanC!  I sure would appreciate it when you find it!
[09:50] <JanC> yeah, just wade through a zillion unsorted bookmarks  ;)
[09:51] <tgall> well wonder how lucky I'd get on google
[09:58] <JanC> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec
[09:58] <tgall> thanks!
[10:00] <JanC> maybe for stuff that's not in there that debian menu policy is still the way to go
[10:00] <JanC> someone in -devel should know
[10:36] <tgall> hmm ok stupid question #2 of the day,  how do you jam include files into the "fakeroot" for building a .deb ?
[10:36] <tgall> IE I need tcl.h
[10:36] <tgall> fakeroot debian/rules binary   <-- that's what I'm using to build the package
[10:38] <Mitario> crimsun, around? :)
[10:39] <Mitario> tgall, just install the library which contains tcl.h
[10:40] <Mitario> and i recommend you use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[10:40] <Mitario> just tips :)
[10:40] <tgall> shouldn't fakeroot do that tho  if it's listed in the Depends: section of the control file ?
[10:40] <Mitario> no, that's the job of a build daemon, to install those packages
[10:40] <Mitario> for example pbuilder
[10:41] <tgall> ahhh
[10:48] <Mitario> tgall, which program are you packaging? :)
[10:49] <tgall> dirdiff
[10:49] <tgall> my first experience with the debian build tools
[10:50] <tgall> I'm too jaded by rpm and gentoo's portage
[10:50] <tgall> fun to dive into something new!
[10:52] <Mitario> :)
[11:05] <Mitario> hmm, I have libcoin20c102 here
[11:05] <Mitario> shouldn't that become libcoin20?
[11:09] <ajmitch> yes
[11:10] <ajmitch> it's been transitioned in debian
[11:10] <ajmitch> so ask for a sync (no new upstream, just debian revision)
[11:13] <Mitario> hmm, elmo's been busy the last few days, i'll ask him when I talk to him
[11:15] <Mitario> c++ packages are going to base, and C libs to +c2 right?
[11:16] <ajmitch> umm what?
[11:16] <ajmitch> libs that have a C ABI get no library rename love
[11:16] <ajmitch> since the c2 is talking about the C++ ABI only
[11:17] <ajmitch> so you can have a C++ lib that exports only a C interface for apps, so it doesn't need transitioned (socketapi was one)
[11:19] <Mitario> ok
[11:29] <crimsun> Mitario: there's a summary at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition under "C++ ABI Transition"
[11:30] <Mitario> crimsun, k thanks
[11:30] <Mitario> crimsun, happen to have time to take a peek at some debdiffs I made? :)
[11:31] <crimsun> Mitario: in a few minutes; let me get a drink first :)
[11:31] <Mitario> oki :)
[11:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: woo
[11:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: avahi 0.2 -> release
[11:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: therefor, packages-> ubuntu :)
[11:35] <ajmitch> Lathiat: good, get them to me ASAP
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: will do
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: just ahve to get updates from ross when he gets around
[11:36] <ajmitch> great
[11:36] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/avahi/announcement-0.2
[11:38] <slomo> Mitario: fdclock is boring :( there is already a patch for this problem in cvs :/
[11:38] <Mitario> sladen, ohh
[11:38] <Mitario> sladen, patch it?
[11:38] <Mitario> :)
[11:38] <slomo> sladen? :P
[11:38] <Mitario> bah
[11:38] <Mitario> stupid xchat tab :p
[11:38] <slomo> hehe... i'll update it and upload it to revu in a few minutes :) maybe someone can upload it then for me...
[11:39] <Mitario> hmm, right still need to get a revu account myself
[11:39] <sladen> slomo: ;-)
[11:39] <slomo> Mitario: and we have to get real upload rights tomorrow ;)
[11:39] <Mitario> yeah
[11:39] <Mitario> and elmo has to sync some pkgs for me :)
[11:40] <crimsun> Mitario: got a url?
[11:40] <Mitario> crimsun, MichielSikkesMOTU
[11:41] <crimsun> oh, at the top, duh
[11:41] <slomo> Mitario: why the MOTU?
[11:41] <crimsun> I kept scrolling down to the bottom
[11:41] <Mitario> crimsun, heh
[11:43] <Mitario> Lathiat, day good? :p
[11:43] <Lathiat> Mitario: good day apparently but yeh
[11:43] <Mitario> isnt that dobrie dzien :)
[11:43] <Mitario> instead of dzien dobrie?
[11:43] <Mitario> or doesnn't it matter..
[11:44] <Mitario> just asking, i'm not a czech/hungary :p
[11:44] <Mitario>  /slowakian, whatever :)
[11:44] <Lathiat> yeh well someone who apparently speaks polish said that
[11:44] <Lathiat> so
[11:44] <Lathiat> i beleive them
[11:44] <Lathiat> i knwo nothing
[11:44] <Mitario> ah :)
[11:44] <Mitario> yeah
[11:47] <crimsun> I think upload.u.c is broken again
[11:47] <Mitario> hm bah
[11:48] <drrakn> q: is it appropriate for non-MOTUs to post suggested universe packages to UniverseCandidates?
[11:48] <crimsun> drrakn: sure
[11:49] <drrakn> would I need to provide a package? or is a pointer to upstream sufficient + a description/justification?
[11:49] <crimsun> a package is best
[11:50] <drrakn> k
[11:50] <drrakn> thanks
[11:54] <Mitario> bye everyone
[11:54] <Lathiat> night
[11:54] <Lathiat> or should i say mroning for me
[11:54] <Lathiat> 5:54am :)