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jsgotangcohey all10:53
jsgotangcoJaneW: ping?10:54
JaneWhi jsgotangco 11:17
JaneWwhat's up?11:17
JaneWbrb11:17
jsgotangcogyaah11:18
jsgotangcowhat's up then brb?11:18
jsgotangcoi was hoping to ask your opinion11:18
jsgotangcoerr ogra?11:19
JaneWrelax11:22
JaneWI said I'd brb11:22
JaneWand here I am11:22
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jsgotangcoJaneW: i'm supposed to give a talk on Free Software on 11 campuses starting wednesday11:24
jsgotangcoi want to ask if you I missed something11:24
JaneWok...11:24
jsgotangcothe talk is basically aobut FOSS trends and issues11:24
JaneW11!11:24
JaneWwow11:24
jsgotangcoand the audience are students/facult11:24
JaneWyour very own roadshow tour11:25
jsgotangcoyes except i have no groupies11:25
JaneWdo you have groupies yet? ;)11:25
JaneWsnap11:25
jsgotangcoanyways, its at www.pcbuyersguide.com.ph11:25
jsgotangcoso i have this FOSS talk11:25
jsgotangcoi started the slide with "My Involvement" sort of an introduction of myself11:26
jsgotangcothen i went ahead to "FOSS in a nutshell" sort of a primer11:26
jsgotangcothen "FOSS Today"11:26
jsgotangco"WHY FOSS?" - a general question with general answers11:27
jsgotangcothen i go specifically to the academe11:27
jsgotangco"Why schools should use FOSS"11:27
jsgotangco"Why students should use FOSS"11:27
jsgotangcothen "FOSS in the future" (If i find one)11:28
jsgotangcothen close it up with 3 slides like "Getting Started", "Getting Involved" and probably a demo of the OpenCD11:28
jsgotangcosome material in the cookbook has been helpful11:30
jsgotangco(FOSS in the future would probably include Edubuntu)11:30
jsgotangcoi'm only given 45 mins btw.11:30
jsgotangcoMs Weideman?11:33
jsgotangco:)11:33
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JaneWyes11:43
JaneWsounds good 11:43
jsgotangcoerr nothing to add that i missed?11:44
JaneWwhere am I looking on that link?11:44
jsgotangcono its not there yet11:44
JaneWoic11:45
JaneWsorry my mind is one something else11:45
JaneWlet me focus...11:45
jsgotangcoif you're quite busy, don't worry about it let me do the worrying :)11:45
JaneWhave you had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations yet?11:48
JaneWI can;t immediately find any gaps in your topics, sounds pretty well rounded11:48
jsgotangcoJaneW: that is Ubuntu-specific I will be presenting an adaptation of Mako and Jeff's slides on the 14th at LinuxWorld11:49
JaneWoic11:54
JaneWok so you are talkking FOSS in general?11:54
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JaneWbut will punt us subtelly anyway? ;)11:54
jsgotangcoJaneW: yup11:57
jsgotangcoJaneW: i'll be RMS without the beard11:57
jsgotangcoand the zealotry11:57
JaneWlol11:58
ogramorning...12:06
jsgotangcohi ogra12:06
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jsgotangcoJaneW: so i guess its quite ok?12:11
JaneWjsgotangco: yes I think tat looks good, I am happy to review once you have some info... but your headings are fine :)12:12
jsgotangcook I am doing it in OOo 2 btw so it'll be a bit different than your usual OOo file12:13
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jsgotangcobrb12:22
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JaneWhighvoltage: ping01:30
ograhighvoltage, additional ping....01:31
JaneWhighvoltage/ ogra: do you have edit rights on all the edubuntu wiki pages?01:31
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ograno idea, all i needed to edit i could edit in the past... any specific page ? 01:31
JaneW^^01:32
ograme neither..01:32
ograso lets for elmo :)01:32
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
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pvanhoofit's exactly what the spammed needed :)01:35
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MicksaWTF?01:37
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[adanam(n=azrailin@210.213.186.222)] Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.gen.ms 01:37
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ogra:#edubuntuJaneW, if in the future someone complains about missing gui login... not themeable etc, point them to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/, there is a themeable login manager ... not sure if mdz will include it01:39
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JaneW:#edubuntuok will do..01:40
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ogra:#edubuntuhighvoltage, do you have a rinniong edubuntu ltsp around where you could test this ?01:40
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=== JaneW is not sure if elmo will respond to a request from me...
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ogra:#edubunturunning even01:40
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JaneW:#edubuntuogra: can you put a note of that on the wiki on yout testing page?01:41
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ogra:#edubuntuelmo worked until 6am (according to the logs) i doubt he'll be up early01:41
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JaneW:#edubuntuogra: ok, he no doubt has more nb things going on... ours is low priorty...01:42
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Znarl0/leave ubuntu-unregged01:42
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ogra:#edubuntuJaneW, i dont want to make it official yet, i sent the first version of it to mdz around wednesday, he didnt include it yet... and my installation of the tool is pretty intrusive as longas its not integrated in the packae01:42
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ogra:#edubuntu... thats why i didnt hint to it on the mailing list (there was just a discussion going on) 01:44
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JaneW:#edubuntuyes I saw that...01:44
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ogra:#edubuntubut i'll mail flint and jelkner about it.... the were so sad about our current login screen (which is understandable, its ugly)01:45
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JaneW:#edubuntuheh, ok01:46
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ogra:#edubuntumy new version mimics gdm as we all know it... 01:46
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JaneW:#edubuntuhow's it going atm01:46
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ogra:#edubuntuand is nearly as themable as gdm01:46
JaneW:#edubuntuit seems progress has been made...?01:46
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JaneW:#edubuntucool :)01:46
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ogra:#edubuntuthe Cd is falling apart, i urgently need Kamion, i dont know why random packages dissapear from the builds...01:47
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ogra:#edubuntubut he'll be back in two days... then everything gets sorted...01:47
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ogra:#edubuntuadditionally i'm wrking to get the artwork package in shape...01:48
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ogra:#edubuntuand try to catch up o my normal distro stuff (xscreensaver etc)01:49
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ogra:#edubuntumy cat lost her babies tonight... i didnt get much sleep...01:49
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JaneW:#edubuntuogra: lost, or gave birth?02:03
JaneW:#edubuntuare they alive?02:03
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JaneW:#edubuntuI am u/l another wall paper and some more community artwork stuff...02:03
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ogra:#edubuntuJaneW, grave birth... four weeks to early...02:04
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JaneW:#edubuntuogra: wow... shame. :(02:04
ogra:#edubuntubut thats fine, she's a kitten herself, way to young to have own kittens02:05
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JaneW:#edubuntuogra: didn;t think that really happened to animals02:05
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JaneW:#edubuntuthey must have been tiny02:05
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ogra:#edubuntuand she'll have new ones soon, i'm sure... my only sorrow was that themother survives....02:05
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ogra:#edubuntulike a little finger...02:05
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ogra:#edubuntubut it was quite a bloody night over here... the cat is already hunting mice again...02:06
JaneW:#edubuntuyou should get her sterilised - it's bad for them to have kitten too young02:06
JaneW:#edubuntuweakens their bones02:07
ogra:#edubuntuyup...02:07
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ogra:#edubuntuit was to late... we bought her as a male ;) 02:07
=== JaneW helped her cat give birth - I was 13. Prepared me well ;)
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JaneW:#edubuntuLOL02:07
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JaneW:#edubuntusorry that sounded funny02:07
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JaneW:#edubuntuso is she ok do you think?02:07
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ogra:#edubuntuand found out about her real gender when she was moaning in our garden below the oter cat...02:08
ogra:#edubuntuyup, i thin so02:08
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JaneW:#edubuntubwahaha02:09
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JaneW:#edubuntureminds me of a joke02:09
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JaneW:#edubuntu'mommy mommy there's a flat cat outside...'02:09
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JaneW:#edubuntu'how do you know it's flat?'02:09
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JaneW:#edubuntu'...well there's another cat trying to pump it up again...'02:10
ogra:#edubuntuhehe02:10
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Petarisogra: My client won't boot since I did that upgrade03:28
sivangit's nice here. KInda reminds me of the prerelease times of Ubuntu :)03:32
sivangno too many people, low traffic 03:32
JaneWsivang: hehe03:39
JaneWit's worse than usual right now...03:39
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sivangJaneW: you mean it's actually more stressed now?03:43
JaneWno less so03:43
JaneWI mean worse = less frequented03:44
JaneWorga and highvoltage and mdz  and jsgotangco etc are usually here03:44
sivangJaneW: ah well, I've seen ogra some minutes ago - he will probably be back soon03:45
sivangJaneW: I am downloaidn gthe test image atm03:45
JaneWsivang: yay - THANK-YOU03:45
JaneW(shouting intended)03:45
sivangJaneW: when are we expecting to release Edubuntu? the same time like Breezy?03:45
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JaneWyes03:48
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JaneWmost likely same day03:48
JaneWbut at least within a week03:48
sivangok, it's good to have a security time break, to allow for last minutes fixes and changes03:50
ograJaneW, argh, you broke reply to ?? 03:52
JaneWwhat?04:08
JaneWDanielC was whining about it...04:08
JaneWmust I put it back?04:08
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ograJaneW, its considered bad habit to mangle the mailheaders04:09
ograand you break the standards :)04:09
JaneWbut I chose NO to the strip mail headers option04:10
JaneWok I'll put it back...04:10
ograyou changed the default, the drefault is the right option :)04:10
ograthe problem with thnderbird is that it still doesnt have a reply-to-list function... (there is a bug open about that since years)04:11
JaneWreverted04:12
JaneWcan't please everyone...04:13
ograbut the problem with header rewriting is, that you affect every user... i.e. if i explicitly want to answer off list, my answer goes directly to the list instead of the poster... imagine that with a mail like "blah blah is an idiot to ask such questions"04:13
ograerr.... the problem with header rewriting is, that you affect every user... i.e. if i explicitly want to answer off list, my answer goes directly to the list instead of the poster... imagine that with a mail like "blah blah is an idiot to ask such questions"04:13
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mptThe problem with mail clients, including Thunderbird, is that they expect you to decide whether your reply would best go to the sender or to everyone *before* you've even written it04:15
JaneWogra: seems to be called munging...04:15
JaneWmpt: that's not unreasonable...04:16
ograerr, yes, i always muddle munging/mangling04:16
JaneWmpt: or it;s just what I am used to...04:16
mptJaneW: You're only used to it because almost all clients work that way04:16
mptthe only exception I've seen is MT-NewsWatcher04:16
JaneWmpt: but then that includes top posting... so perhaps I am not the best person to comment ;)04:16
mpthttp://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/img/choose_personality.png04:17
JaneWOSS ppl are certainly pedantic ^h^h^h^h...big on principles ;)04:17
mptSee it has toggle buttons for "Post News" (the equivalent of "Reply to List"), "Send Email" (the equivalent of "Reply to Sender"), and "Copy Self", all in the composition window itself04:17
JaneWok04:18
mptthat would make people much more likely to choose the right options04:18
JaneWyes agreed04:18
ograwhats "copy self" ? make a clone of the poster to send the mail for you ? :)04:19
mptIt's sending a copy to yourself04:19
ograah...04:20
ogralost in translation ;)04:20
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JaneW*wave*04:20
mptThe world still doesn't have a decent e-mail program :-)04:20
mpttchau JaneW04:20
JaneWwhat language is that?04:21
ograciao JaneW 04:21
JaneWbye :)04:21
mptPortugese04:22
ograor northern german wit a missing s (tschau)04:22
Petarisogra: I can't boot my client after I upgraded it on Wednesday04:23
ograwhere does it break ? 04:23
ogra(or how)04:23
PetarisRun init: opening console: no fi9le or directory04:24
Petarisright after init-bottom runs04:24
ograwhich version of mkinitramfs do you have installed ? there was a serious bug in one of the last uploads... 04:25
ogradpkg -l initramfs-tools04:26
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ograi think 0.23 was broken, 0.24 has the fix04:27
ograoh, and thats only relevant if you dont have a nfs-server timeout before already... make sure the nfs is working right..04:28
Petarisit says no package found04:28
ograon the server ? or in the chroot ? 04:28
ogra(i'm talking about the server)04:29
Petarison the server04:29
ograhmm04:29
Petarisbut your right, I'm getting an nfs error04:30
Petarisnfs server not found04:30
Petarishrm04:30
Petarisits running04:30
ograhmm, is the ip of the nfs server right ? 04:30
Petarisyeah04:30
ogra(the ip the client gets on boot) 04:31
ogradid you try to boot the client a second time ? 04:31
Petarisseems so04:31
Petarisyeah, this is the third time round04:31
ograi know of a bug where you get such timeouts, but that only occurs on the first boot, the second should be fine04:31
Petarisbrbv04:32
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Petarisok, I'm back04:41
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ograPetaris, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1294204:47
Petarisogra: that could be the problem04:59
PetarisWhere would I set the sleep command04:59
ograthere was a mail discussion about it on edubuntu-devel04:59
Petarisok05:00
Petarisdamn, now I'm getting that seg fault agian05:01
ograa segfault ? 05:01
Petarisyes05:02
ogradescribe it a bit more... where, when etc05:02
Petaristhat rcS.d/S02mountvirfs05:03
Petariser, S02mountvirtfs05:03
ograwhere in this script ? 05:04
Petarisdosen't say05:04
Petariser wait05:04
Petarisline 4705:05
ograhmm...05:05
PetarisThis now happens after I restarted nfs-kernel-server05:06
Petariser, well stoped then started05:06
ograportmap is running ? 05:06
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Petarishrm05:08
ografreenode crazyness...05:08
Petarisstill get it, even after restarting portmap05:08
ograthe segfault ?05:09
Petarisyep05:09
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Petarisogra: Do you know if there is a skubuntu irc channel?06:43
ograi doubt it... highvoltage is highly involved with skubuntu... ping him if he's around06:44
Petarisok, I'll give that a try06:46
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Belutzhai08:30
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sivangogra: what's skubuntu?10:00
ograa ltsp based distro10:01
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mptA South African prototype of Ubuntu, right?10:01
mpter, of Edubuntu I mean10:01
ograyup10:24
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cyphasehey everyone10:53
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