[10:53] <jsgotangco> hey all
[10:54] <jsgotangco> JaneW: ping?
[11:17] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[11:17] <JaneW> what's up?
[11:17] <JaneW> brb
[11:18] <jsgotangco> gyaah
[11:18] <jsgotangco> what's up then brb?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> i was hoping to ask your opinion
[11:19] <jsgotangco> err ogra?
[11:22] <JaneW> relax
[11:22] <JaneW> I said I'd brb
[11:22] <JaneW> and here I am
[11:24] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'm supposed to give a talk on Free Software on 11 campuses starting wednesday
[11:24] <jsgotangco> i want to ask if you I missed something
[11:24] <JaneW> ok...
[11:24] <jsgotangco> the talk is basically aobut FOSS trends and issues
[11:24] <JaneW> 11!
[11:24] <JaneW> wow
[11:24] <jsgotangco> and the audience are students/facult
[11:25] <JaneW> your very own roadshow tour
[11:25] <jsgotangco> yes except i have no groupies
[11:25] <JaneW> do you have groupies yet? ;)
[11:25] <JaneW> snap
[11:25] <jsgotangco> anyways, its at www.pcbuyersguide.com.ph
[11:25] <jsgotangco> so i have this FOSS talk
[11:26] <jsgotangco> i started the slide with "My Involvement" sort of an introduction of myself
[11:26] <jsgotangco> then i went ahead to "FOSS in a nutshell" sort of a primer
[11:26] <jsgotangco> then "FOSS Today"
[11:27] <jsgotangco> "WHY FOSS?" - a general question with general answers
[11:27] <jsgotangco> then i go specifically to the academe
[11:27] <jsgotangco> "Why schools should use FOSS"
[11:27] <jsgotangco> "Why students should use FOSS"
[11:28] <jsgotangco> then "FOSS in the future" (If i find one)
[11:28] <jsgotangco> then close it up with 3 slides like "Getting Started", "Getting Involved" and probably a demo of the OpenCD
[11:30] <jsgotangco> some material in the cookbook has been helpful
[11:30] <jsgotangco> (FOSS in the future would probably include Edubuntu)
[11:30] <jsgotangco> i'm only given 45 mins btw.
[11:33] <jsgotangco> Ms Weideman?
[11:33] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:43] <JaneW> yes
[11:43] <JaneW> sounds good 
[11:44] <jsgotangco> err nothing to add that i missed?
[11:44] <JaneW> where am I looking on that link?
[11:44] <jsgotangco> no its not there yet
[11:45] <JaneW> oic
[11:45] <JaneW> sorry my mind is one something else
[11:45] <JaneW> let me focus...
[11:45] <jsgotangco> if you're quite busy, don't worry about it let me do the worrying :)
[11:48] <JaneW> have you had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations yet?
[11:48] <JaneW> I can;t immediately find any gaps in your topics, sounds pretty well rounded
[11:49] <jsgotangco> JaneW: that is Ubuntu-specific I will be presenting an adaptation of Mako and Jeff's slides on the 14th at LinuxWorld
[11:54] <JaneW> oic
[11:54] <JaneW> ok so you are talkking FOSS in general?
[11:54] <JaneW> but will punt us subtelly anyway? ;)
[11:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW: yup
[11:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'll be RMS without the beard
[11:57] <jsgotangco> and the zealotry
[11:58] <JaneW> lol
[12:06] <ogra> morning...
[12:06] <jsgotangco> hi ogra
[12:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW: so i guess its quite ok?
[12:12] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes I think tat looks good, I am happy to review once you have some info... but your headings are fine :)
[12:13] <jsgotangco> ok I am doing it in OOo 2 btw so it'll be a bit different than your usual OOo file
[12:22] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[01:31] <ogra> highvoltage, additional ping....
[01:31] <JaneW> highvoltage/ ogra: do you have edit rights on all the edubuntu wiki pages?
[01:31] <ogra> no idea, all i needed to edit i could edit in the past... any specific page ? 
[01:32] <JaneW> ^^
[01:32] <ogra> me neither..
[01:32] <ogra> so lets for elmo :)
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[01:39] <ogra:#edubuntu> JaneW, if in the future someone complains about missing gui login... not themeable etc, point them to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/, there is a themeable login manager ... not sure if mdz will include it
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[01:39] <thenuke> unregged
[01:40] <JaneW:#edubuntu> ok will do..
[01:40] <ogra:#edubuntu> highvoltage, do you have a rinniong edubuntu ltsp around where you could test this ?
[01:40] <ogra:#edubuntu> running even
[01:41] <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: can you put a note of that on the wiki on yout testing page?
[01:41] <ogra:#edubuntu> elmo worked until 6am (according to the logs) i doubt he'll be up early
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[01:42] <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: ok, he no doubt has more nb things going on... ours is low priorty...
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[01:42] <ogra:#edubuntu> JaneW, i dont want to make it official yet, i sent the first version of it to mdz around wednesday, he didnt include it yet... and my installation of the tool is pretty intrusive as longas its not integrated in the packae
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[01:44] <ogra:#edubuntu> ... thats why i didnt hint to it on the mailing list (there was just a discussion going on) 
[01:44] <JaneW:#edubuntu> yes I saw that...
[01:45] <ogra:#edubuntu> but i'll mail flint and jelkner about it.... the were so sad about our current login screen (which is understandable, its ugly)
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[01:46] <JaneW:#edubuntu> heh, ok
[01:46] <ogra:#edubuntu> my new version mimics gdm as we all know it... 
[01:46] <JaneW:#edubuntu> how's it going atm
[01:46] <ogra:#edubuntu> and is nearly as themable as gdm
[01:46] <JaneW:#edubuntu> it seems progress has been made...?
[01:46] <JaneW:#edubuntu> cool :)
[01:47] <ogra:#edubuntu> the Cd is falling apart, i urgently need Kamion, i dont know why random packages dissapear from the builds...
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[01:47] <ogra:#edubuntu> but he'll be back in two days... then everything gets sorted...
[01:48] <ogra:#edubuntu> additionally i'm wrking to get the artwork package in shape...
[01:49] <ogra:#edubuntu> and try to catch up o my normal distro stuff (xscreensaver etc)
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[01:49] <ogra:#edubuntu> my cat lost her babies tonight... i didnt get much sleep...
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[01:52] <the_dude> exit
[01:52] <the_dude> aaargh!
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[02:03] <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: lost, or gave birth?
[02:03] <JaneW:#edubuntu> are they alive?
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[02:03] <JaneW:#edubuntu> I am u/l another wall paper and some more community artwork stuff...
[02:04] <ogra:#edubuntu> JaneW, grave birth... four weeks to early...
[02:04] <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: wow... shame. :(
[02:05] <ogra:#edubuntu> but thats fine, she's a kitten herself, way to young to have own kittens
[02:05] <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: didn;t think that really happened to animals
[02:05] <JaneW:#edubuntu> they must have been tiny
[02:05] <ogra:#edubuntu> and she'll have new ones soon, i'm sure... my only sorrow was that themother survives....
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[02:05] <ogra:#edubuntu> like a little finger...
[02:06] <ogra:#edubuntu> but it was quite a bloody night over here... the cat is already hunting mice again...
[02:06] <JaneW:#edubuntu> you should get her sterilised - it's bad for them to have kitten too young
[02:07] <JaneW:#edubuntu> weakens their bones
[02:07] <ogra:#edubuntu> yup...
[02:07] <ogra:#edubuntu> it was to late... we bought her as a male ;) 
[02:07] <JaneW:#edubuntu> LOL
[02:07] <JaneW:#edubuntu> sorry that sounded funny
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[02:07] <JaneW:#edubuntu> so is she ok do you think?
[02:08] <ogra:#edubuntu> and found out about her real gender when she was moaning in our garden below the oter cat...
[02:08] <ogra:#edubuntu> yup, i thin so
[02:09] <JaneW:#edubuntu> bwahaha
[02:09] <JaneW:#edubuntu> reminds me of a joke
[02:09] <JaneW:#edubuntu> 'mommy mommy there's a flat cat outside...'
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[02:09] <JaneW:#edubuntu> 'how do you know it's flat?'
[02:10] <JaneW:#edubuntu> '...well there's another cat trying to pump it up again...'
[02:10] <ogra:#edubuntu> hehe
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[03:28] <Petaris> ogra: My client won't boot since I did that upgrade
[03:32] <sivang> it's nice here. KInda reminds me of the prerelease times of Ubuntu :)
[03:32] <sivang> no too many people, low traffic 
[03:39] <JaneW> sivang: hehe
[03:39] <JaneW> it's worse than usual right now...
[03:43] <sivang> JaneW: you mean it's actually more stressed now?
[03:43] <JaneW> no less so
[03:44] <JaneW> I mean worse = less frequented
[03:44] <JaneW> orga and highvoltage and mdz  and jsgotangco etc are usually here
[03:45] <sivang> JaneW: ah well, I've seen ogra some minutes ago - he will probably be back soon
[03:45] <sivang> JaneW: I am downloaidn gthe test image atm
[03:45] <JaneW> sivang: yay - THANK-YOU
[03:45] <JaneW> (shouting intended)
[03:45] <sivang> JaneW: when are we expecting to release Edubuntu? the same time like Breezy?
[03:48] <JaneW> yes
[03:48] <JaneW> most likely same day
[03:48] <JaneW> but at least within a week
[03:50] <sivang> ok, it's good to have a security time break, to allow for last minutes fixes and changes
[03:52] <ogra> JaneW, argh, you broke reply to ?? 
[04:08] <JaneW> what?
[04:08] <JaneW> DanielC was whining about it...
[04:08] <JaneW> must I put it back?
[04:09] <ogra> JaneW, its considered bad habit to mangle the mailheaders
[04:09] <ogra> and you break the standards :)
[04:10] <JaneW> but I chose NO to the strip mail headers option
[04:10] <JaneW> ok I'll put it back...
[04:10] <ogra> you changed the default, the drefault is the right option :)
[04:11] <ogra> the problem with thnderbird is that it still doesnt have a reply-to-list function... (there is a bug open about that since years)
[04:12] <JaneW> reverted
[04:13] <JaneW> can't please everyone...
[04:13] <ogra> but the problem with header rewriting is, that you affect every user... i.e. if i explicitly want to answer off list, my answer goes directly to the list instead of the poster... imagine that with a mail like "blah blah is an idiot to ask such questions"
[04:13] <ogra> err.... the problem with header rewriting is, that you affect every user... i.e. if i explicitly want to answer off list, my answer goes directly to the list instead of the poster... imagine that with a mail like "blah blah is an idiot to ask such questions"
[04:15] <mpt> The problem with mail clients, including Thunderbird, is that they expect you to decide whether your reply would best go to the sender or to everyone *before* you've even written it
[04:15] <JaneW> ogra: seems to be called munging...
[04:16] <JaneW> mpt: that's not unreasonable...
[04:16] <ogra> err, yes, i always muddle munging/mangling
[04:16] <JaneW> mpt: or it;s just what I am used to...
[04:16] <mpt> JaneW: You're only used to it because almost all clients work that way
[04:16] <mpt> the only exception I've seen is MT-NewsWatcher
[04:16] <JaneW> mpt: but then that includes top posting... so perhaps I am not the best person to comment ;)
[04:17] <mpt> http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/img/choose_personality.png
[04:17] <JaneW> OSS ppl are certainly pedantic ^h^h^h^h...big on principles ;)
[04:17] <mpt> See it has toggle buttons for "Post News" (the equivalent of "Reply to List"), "Send Email" (the equivalent of "Reply to Sender"), and "Copy Self", all in the composition window itself
[04:18] <JaneW> ok
[04:18] <mpt> that would make people much more likely to choose the right options
[04:18] <JaneW> yes agreed
[04:19] <ogra> whats "copy self" ? make a clone of the poster to send the mail for you ? :)
[04:19] <mpt> It's sending a copy to yourself
[04:20] <ogra> ah...
[04:20] <ogra> lost in translation ;)
[04:20] <JaneW> *wave*
[04:20] <mpt> The world still doesn't have a decent e-mail program :-)
[04:20] <mpt> tchau JaneW
[04:21] <JaneW> what language is that?
[04:21] <ogra> ciao JaneW 
[04:21] <JaneW> bye :)
[04:22] <mpt> Portugese
[04:22] <ogra> or northern german wit a missing s (tschau)
[04:23] <Petaris> ogra: I can't boot my client after I upgraded it on Wednesday
[04:23] <ogra> where does it break ? 
[04:23] <ogra> (or how)
[04:24] <Petaris> Run init: opening console: no fi9le or directory
[04:24] <Petaris> right after init-bottom runs
[04:25] <ogra> which version of mkinitramfs do you have installed ? there was a serious bug in one of the last uploads... 
[04:26] <ogra> dpkg -l initramfs-tools
[04:27] <ogra> i think 0.23 was broken, 0.24 has the fix
[04:28] <ogra> oh, and thats only relevant if you dont have a nfs-server timeout before already... make sure the nfs is working right..
[04:28] <Petaris> it says no package found
[04:28] <ogra> on the server ? or in the chroot ? 
[04:29] <ogra> (i'm talking about the server)
[04:29] <Petaris> on the server
[04:29] <ogra> hmm
[04:30] <Petaris> but your right, I'm getting an nfs error
[04:30] <Petaris> nfs server not found
[04:30] <Petaris> hrm
[04:30] <Petaris> its running
[04:30] <ogra> hmm, is the ip of the nfs server right ? 
[04:30] <Petaris> yeah
[04:31] <ogra> (the ip the client gets on boot) 
[04:31] <ogra> did you try to boot the client a second time ? 
[04:31] <Petaris> seems so
[04:31] <Petaris> yeah, this is the third time round
[04:31] <ogra> i know of a bug where you get such timeouts, but that only occurs on the first boot, the second should be fine
[04:32] <Petaris> brbv
[04:41] <Petaris> ok, I'm back
[04:47] <ogra> Petaris, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12942
[04:59] <Petaris> ogra: that could be the problem
[04:59] <Petaris> Where would I set the sleep command
[04:59] <ogra> there was a mail discussion about it on edubuntu-devel
[05:00] <Petaris> ok
[05:01] <Petaris> damn, now I'm getting that seg fault agian
[05:01] <ogra> a segfault ? 
[05:02] <Petaris> yes
[05:02] <ogra> describe it a bit more... where, when etc
[05:03] <Petaris> that rcS.d/S02mountvirfs
[05:03] <Petaris> er, S02mountvirtfs
[05:04] <ogra> where in this script ? 
[05:04] <Petaris> dosen't say
[05:04] <Petaris> er wait
[05:05] <Petaris> line 47
[05:05] <ogra> hmm...
[05:06] <Petaris> This now happens after I restarted nfs-kernel-server
[05:06] <Petaris> er, well stoped then started
[05:06] <ogra> portmap is running ? 
[05:08] <Petaris> hrm
[05:08] <ogra> freenode crazyness...
[05:08] <Petaris> still get it, even after restarting portmap
[05:09] <ogra> the segfault ?
[05:09] <Petaris> yep
[06:43] <Petaris> ogra: Do you know if there is a skubuntu irc channel?
[06:44] <ogra> i doubt it... highvoltage is highly involved with skubuntu... ping him if he's around
[06:46] <Petaris> ok, I'll give that a try
[08:30] <Belutz> hai
[10:00] <sivang> ogra: what's skubuntu?
[10:01] <ogra> a ltsp based distro
[10:01] <mpt> A South African prototype of Ubuntu, right?
[10:01] <mpt> er, of Edubuntu I mean
[10:24] <ogra> yup
[10:53] <cyphase> hey everyone