[12:18] <sobersabre> hi is breezy usable ?
[12:18] <sobersabre> shall i try and work with it ?
[12:18] <NigeyUK> depends what you mean by useable
[12:19] <sobersabre> I want to: gcc, gdb,vi and maybe qt+gtk programming.
[12:19] <sobersabre> i work with X UI, not console.
[12:19] <ctw> Hi! Has any of you recently aquired a laptop that you're really happy with (running Kubuntu)?
[12:19] <NigeyUK> well if ya not gonna mind some possible bugs and instability .. id say give it a go. but for a production system id say hold off till october
[12:19] <sobersabre> ctw, I do have a laptop I am happy with
[12:20] <sobersabre> It has only 2 devices not functioning properly under linux: card reader and CPU
[12:20] <ctw> CPU?
[12:20] <ctw> you mean throttling?
[12:20] <pax> ctw search the wiki for 'laptop' you'll find a huge list
[12:21] <sobersabre> yep, it has a CPU that is allowing step frequency scaling under windows only
[12:21] <ctw> I know about the wiki
[12:21] <ctw> And the linux-laptop site
[12:21] <sobersabre> ctw, good for you.
[12:21] <sobersabre> and the card reader is a documented TI card reader for SD and XD cards, I have the specs, but don't have any time to write a driver :(
[12:22] <ctw> I have some specific needs and the info on the wiki is not always complete, so I'm looking for some experiences here
[12:22] <sobersabre> ctw, what are your "some specific needs" ?
[12:22] <ctw> that's too bad ... having a usable card reader would be great
[12:22] <sobersabre> ctw, there are usable, but mine isn't :(
[12:22] <sobersabre> and I don't care.
[12:23] <sobersabre> I can read SDs with a PocketPC.
[12:23] <sobersabre> :))))
[12:23] <ctw> well for one, I'd really like fully supported OpenGL and 3d acceleration 
[12:23] <sobersabre> ctw, mine only gives 90 FPS
[12:23] <ctw> I'd like suspend to disk and if possible also suspend to ram to work
[12:23] <sobersabre> If you need more, you should probably have a non shared memory card.
[12:24] <ctw> I'd like a wide-screen
[12:24] <sobersabre> hehe
[12:24] <sobersabre> ctw, I think you should go for Sony.
[12:24] <pax> sobersabre: breezy colony 3 CD is one way to find out if it's for ya ;-)
[12:24] <ctw> I've heard that Nvida is the card to get
[12:24] <sobersabre> it is rather expensive.
[12:24] <ctw> I've looked at some sonys ... they don't seem much more expensive than the rest
[12:24] <sobersabre> ctw, there are several cards around, depends on laptop manufacturer.
[12:25] <sobersabre> ctw, "the rest" is apple ?!?!
[12:25] <sobersabre> sony & Toshiba are the most expensive
[12:25] <sobersabre> among PC notebooks
[12:25] <sobersabre> but Sony are worth it.
[12:26] <sobersabre> good display, durable blabla, supported well.
[12:26] <ctw> do you have good experiences with sony
[12:26] <sobersabre> (VAIO)
[12:26] <ctw> that's good to hear
[12:26] <sobersabre> I don't but many friends do.
[12:26] <ctw> I've heard their batteries were crap, but that may have changed
[12:26] <ctw> any models in particular?
[12:27] <sobersabre> and, if IBM and Sony  have special entry points in GNOME & KDE menus - it is not because of crappy linux support.
[12:27] <sobersabre> as about the batteries, you're right.
[12:27] <ctw> do they not last long?
[12:27] <sobersabre> but: you will anyway have to get several spares - if you want to use the laptop on the road.
[12:27] <sobersabre> "long" 
[12:27] <sobersabre> 2 hours I think
[12:27] <sobersabre> it's less than advertized, but
[12:28] <sobersabre> they have wifi, so it is hard to estimate power consumption in wifi situation (unless wifi is turned off)
[12:28] <ctw> do you know if CPU throttling works on Sony's ... otherwise the batteries will last even less long
[12:28] <sobersabre> ctw, It depends on the CPU model!
[12:29] <sobersabre> e.g. i use LG-LS50A, it has a celeron mobile CPU, which isn't throtting with linux.
[12:29] <sobersabre> but there are other LG models that use other CPU, so they will support it.
[12:29] <sobersabre> I just found this part - not ccritical.
[12:30] <sobersabre> anyway, ctw, if you have much time simply create a laptop hardware support table and go with it to the specific models.
[12:30] <sobersabre> I must leave. 
[12:31] <ctw> ok, thanks for the help
[12:31] <sobersabre> pax, any links ? what is "breezy colony" ?
[12:32] <pax> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/breezy/colony-3/
[12:32] <sobersabre> ah, a q. any ubuntu developers are in here ?
[12:33] <sobersabre> [pax, I'm clicking the torrent] 
[12:34] <sobersabre> I have a hardware support q.: Is breezy going to be supporting ppc64 machines ?
[12:34] <sobersabre> namely: JS20 blades... ?
[12:34] <sobersabre> It would be nice........
[12:35] <gdh> Ubuntu is a desktop OS :) Stick to debian for servers =)
[12:36] <EasterSunshine> ubuntu has a server install comparable to debian's
[12:36] <gdh> Yes, but the whole OS changes every 6 months. That's not a good thing in a production environment.
[12:37] <gdh> pff
[12:37] <ttyS0> /usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h:756:21: qconfig.h: No such file or directory  << In what package i can found that header? (qconfig.h)
[12:38] <gdh> libqt3-mt-dev
[12:39] <ttyS0> thanks :)
[12:40] <sobersabre> how often are packages updated/upgraded in breezy now ?
[12:40] <gdh> to the best of my knowledge, they aren't - freeze happened earlier this month
[12:40] <ttyS0> dammit - 6900 KB ! :(
[12:40] <gdh> it's just bugfixes now.
[12:41] <gdh> ttyS0: You're on dialup?
[12:41] <ttyS0> gdh, yes. my speed is 1310 B/s :(
[12:42] <gdh> holy crap..0.
[12:42] <gdh> how so low?
[12:42] <ttyS0> bad telephone station (obsolete)
[12:43] <gdh> ouch
[12:44] <ttyS0> yuppie - it raised to 1739 ;)
[12:45] <gdh> ttyS0: You might be amused to know our broadband provider here is increasing the speed on the 1Mbps service to 4Mbps free of charge next month :)
[12:46] <ttyS0> what can I say - you're lucky guy :)
[12:50] <ttyS0> ADSL 32/32 costs 30$ here & Dial-up is 10$ :) & what about your ISPs?
[12:50] <gdh> where is 'here' ?
[12:50] <gdh> people sell 32kbps ADSL? that's shocking :(
[12:51] <ttyS0> 'here' is in Uzbekistan :)))))
[12:51] <gdh> Wow, I couldn't even point to that on a map :)
[12:51] <ttyS0> many people say same words
[12:52] <ttyS0> :)
[12:52] <gdh> You can't move countries? :)
[12:52] <ttyS0> I can :)
[12:53] <gdh> For the sake of your sanity I would recommend it :)
[12:53] <gdh> if it's less than 128kbit, it's not worth the pain ;)
[12:55] <ttyS0> 128 kbit is like a dream for me :)
[12:55] <gdh> madness :) and our cable co is now offering 10Mbit service for $65/mo.
[12:56] <ttyS0> do you live in USA? :)
[12:57] <gdh> No, UK
[12:57] <gdh> which has always been quite far behind in broadband terms
[12:57] <gdh> teh cable co's here have finally started to get their act together
[12:57] <ttyS0> :)
[12:58] <pax> why would anyone in their right mind live in the US, everything is illegal.
[12:58] <gdh> guns aren't :)
[12:58] <pax> depends how rich you are.
[12:59] <ttyS0> ;)
[01:01] <CellarDoor> is anyone here using konversation 0.18 ?
[01:02] <gdh> CellarDoor: yeh
[01:02] <CellarDoor> how do you install it (I'm a noob)... 0.16 has gone wierd on me
[01:03] <gdh> You upgrade to breezy...
[01:04] <CellarDoor> hmm ok
[01:04] <gdh> and if you're a noob, then you just wait until breezy is released in October :)
[01:05] <NigeyUK> im using hoary and mines 0.18 :s
[01:06] <CellarDoor> I have dependancy issues
[01:06] <CellarDoor> 0.16 menu's has dissappeared
[01:06] <CellarDoor> extremely annoying
[01:07] <ttyS0> btw, I have troubles with kopete - it shows abnormal letters instead of russian nicknames in ICQ.
[01:07] <CellarDoor> brb
[01:08] <Fenix> greetings I have a problem when I reshape the resolution of the monitor says to me that there are problems with dcopserver
[01:10] <Fenix> and 640x400 does not allow to see the greater resolution me in fact despues than give I that error has left in konsola
[01:11] <Fenix> if there is me agradecere can help with this
[01:15] <gdh> CellarDoor: press 'ctrl m' ?
[01:15] <gdh> beh
[01:18] <CellarDoor> you know what, it shouldn't be so much hassle to upgrade to the latest version of a damned irc client !
[01:19] <gdh> CellarDoor: press 'ctrl m' ?
[01:19] <CellarDoor> whoah
[01:19] <gdh> when you first selected that, it will have popped up a message saying "This will hide the menu bar completely.You can show it again by typing Ctrl+M."
[01:19] <CellarDoor> ty gdh 
[01:20] <gdh> you might want to take note of such messages in future :)
[01:20] <CellarDoor> I never saw it
[01:20] <CellarDoor> I had a mate around the other night though
[01:20] <gdh> try it again now? :)
[01:20] <CellarDoor> he was using it
[01:20] <CellarDoor> grrr
[01:21] <gdh> tip: create a disposable account for friends use :)
[01:21] <CellarDoor> mmm
[01:21] <gdh> K -> Switch User -> Start New Session :)
[01:21] <CellarDoor> yeah
[01:21] <gdh> then use Ctrl-Alt-F7 and F8 to swap between them
[01:22] <CellarDoor> I shall do that
[01:24] <Fenix> to that dcopserver. talks about? since I have an error when change the resolution of the monitor and says to me that the error is alli
[01:26] <gdh> wewt!
[01:50] <asias> hi,everyone!
[01:51] <fatejudger> hello
[01:51] <fatejudger> do you have a question?
[01:52] <asias> hello,fatejudger.
[01:52] <apokryphos> hi there
[01:52] <asias> I am just a new to konversation and kubuntu.
[02:03] <NeoFax> anyone here have upower and brezzy colony3 working?
[02:06] <CellarDoor> hi again
[02:07] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to get translucency going
[02:07] <CellarDoor> getting crashy dialogue stuff
[02:08] <CellarDoor> could someone tell me where my x config is so I can edit it ?
[02:08] <CellarDoor> I'm supposed to add:
[02:08] <CellarDoor> Section "Extensions"
[02:09] <CellarDoor>             Option "Composite" "Enable"
[02:09] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[02:13] <ttyS0> next question: "../dialogs/select_kpart.h:4:31: kparts/mainwindow.h: No such file or directory" << in what package this could be found
[02:14] <N17R0> is it save to remove open office ?
[02:15] <CellarDoor> ?
[02:16] <CellarDoor> I decided to turn on the new translucentcy stuff in kde
[02:16] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: /etc/X11
[02:16] <CellarDoor> ok
[02:16] <CellarDoor> xorg.conf I presume ?
[02:17] <apokryphos> yes
[02:17] <CellarDoor> :)
[02:17] <CellarDoor> thanks
[02:19] <CellarDoor> ok lets see how this goes
[02:19] <CellarDoor> brb
[02:20] <fatejudger> whenever I run programs a good number of times it seems that KDE puts them in the KDE menu automaticall
[02:20] <fatejudger> *automatically
[02:20] <fatejudger> is there any way to disable that?
[02:22] <apokryphos> fatejudger: right-click -> configure panel -> layout -> menus
[02:22] <gdh> sure, 
[02:22] <gdh> bah
[02:22] <gdh> beat me to it :)
[02:23] <apokryphos> =)
[02:23] <gdh> The other answer is, "This is KDE - of COURSE there's a clickable option for it buried somewhere!"
[02:23] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I was already in there
[02:23] <fatejudger> apokryphos: there's an option in there
[02:24] <fatejudger> apokryphos: but it's set to 0
[02:24] <fatejudger> apokryphos: The "Maximum Number of Entries of Frequently Used Programs" that is
[02:24] <apokryphos> then it shouldn't show any
[02:25] <fatejudger> apokryphos: well it does
[02:25] <fatejudger> apokryphos: it seems intent on putting Kaffeine in there
[02:25] <fatejudger> apokryphos: all the time
[02:25] <fatejudger> apokryphos: it's driving me crazy
[02:25] <apokryphos> I find that hard to believe :)
[02:25] <fatejudger> apokryphos: fine, I'll open up Kaffeine a bunch of times, take a screenshot of the menu config and the KDE menu and you'll believe it
[02:26] <apokryphos> ok, go for it.
[02:26] <CellarDoor> hmm
[02:26] <CellarDoor> It's still not working
[02:27] <CellarDoor> I'm getting this dialogue
[02:27] <CellarDoor> Composite extension not found
[02:27] <CellarDoor> You must use XOrg  6.8 for translucency and shadows to work.
[02:27] <CellarDoor> Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X config file:
[02:27] <CellarDoor> Section "Extensions"
[02:27] <CellarDoor> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[02:27] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[02:27] <fatejudger> apokryphos: this isn't fair, it isn't doing it now
[02:27] <fatejudger> apokryphos: it does it randomly
[02:27] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I swear, it's happened 4 times now
[02:27] <CellarDoor> XOrg version isn't a problem
[02:28] <apokryphos> the current RenderAccel in Xorg has a problem for translucency etc 
[02:28] <CellarDoor> so its not going to work ?
[02:28] <apokryphos> probably not
[02:28] <CellarDoor> ok
[02:28] <CellarDoor> I'll turn it off then
[02:28] <apokryphos> well, it wouldn't give that message if you had set it up properly though
[02:28] <apokryphos> your X would probably just freeze (because of the current bug)
[02:29] <CellarDoor> I added a new section to xorg.conf just as it appears above
[02:29] <apokryphos> you should ideally add more, of course, and not just that
[02:29] <apokryphos> !composite
[02:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, composite is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[02:30] <CellarDoor> this looks promising
[02:30] <fatejudger> when I set Kaffeine as my default player to handle a certain file type, it doesn't open up the file
[02:30] <fatejudger> but if I click on Open With -> Kaffeine
[02:30] <fatejudger> then it does
[02:30] <fatejudger> what gives?
[02:31] <CellarDoor> Kaffeine is a crashy thing :P
[02:31] <apokryphos> fatejudger: you're not setting it as default properly, most likely
[02:31] <fatejudger> yeah it does crash a lot
[02:31] <fatejudger> but Mplayer is the only alternative
[02:31] <apokryphos> fatejudger: is it at the top of the list with the Open With?
[02:31] <fatejudger> and it isn't as good
[02:32] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[02:32] <fatejudger> yes
[02:32] <fatejudger> it is
[02:32] <ubotu> kaffeineprob is, like, at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[02:32] <fatejudger> it looks like it's starting
[02:32] <fatejudger> but it doesn't
[02:32] <fatejudger> aha
[02:32] <fatejudger> the icon is back again
[02:32] <CellarDoor> you have to wrestle with Kaffeine to get it to let you eject your dvd's too :P
[02:32] <fatejudger> I told you it would be there
[02:34] <fatejudger> apokryphos: http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9383/snapshot13du.png
[02:34] <fatejudger> apokryphos: see the problem?
[02:35] <apokryphos> That's something entirely different
[02:35] <fatejudger> ?
[02:35] <apokryphos> it's not putting Kaffeine under a seperate sub-section exactly, is it... which the option there in configure panel would do
[02:36] <fatejudger> well no...
[02:36] <fatejudger> but it is in that menu
[02:36] <fatejudger> and it wasn't before
[02:36] <fatejudger> apokryphos: so how do I get it to stop?
[02:36] <apokryphos> fatejudger: does kmenuedit definitely not show it there?
[02:36] <fatejudger> no, it does
[02:37] <fatejudger> it's in the menu editor
[02:37] <fatejudger> but when I try and remove it using the menu editor
[02:37] <fatejudger> and save the changes
[02:37] <fatejudger> it just comes back again
[02:37] <fatejudger> like
[02:37] <fatejudger> I'll open up the menu again
[02:37] <fatejudger> and there it'll be
[02:37] <fatejudger> the only way to remove it is to move it to the desktop
[02:37] <fatejudger> and stick it in the trash binm
[02:37] <fatejudger> *bin
[02:40] <CellarDoor> ok lets see how this goes
[02:40] <CellarDoor> brb
[02:41] <fatejudger> apokryphos: thought of any other options that might control that behavior?
[02:42] <apokryphos> fatejudger: you don't have to post a couple words per post, you know ;-). But, re: your question: erm, not really. 
[02:43] <CellarDoor> still not working
[02:43] <fatejudger> apokryphos: how could that icon just magically appear though?
[02:43] <CellarDoor> same dialogue appears
[02:43] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: do you have an nvidia card, with nvidia etc drivers installed?
[02:44] <CellarDoor> yes
[02:44] <apokryphos> the xorg.conf file is definitely saving o.k.?
[02:44] <CellarDoor> yep
[02:44] <apokryphos> ok, one sec.
[02:45] <apokryphos> type xcompmgr
[02:45] <apokryphos> then, say, transset 0.8 and click on a Window
[02:46] <CellarDoor> in a console ?
[02:46] <apokryphos> yes
[02:46] <CellarDoor> bash: xcompmgr: command not found
[02:47] <apokryphos> did you not follow those instructions? :)
[02:47] <CellarDoor> yes
[02:47] <apokryphos> nope, because if you did then you'd have it
[02:48] <CellarDoor> I installed xcompmgr
[02:48] <apokryphos> xcompmgr wouldn't really give you command not found, then
[02:49] <fatejudger> was the person who wrote KTeaTime extremely high or extremely bored?
[02:49] <gdh> fatejudger:  :))
[02:50] <gdh> Tea is a religion to many
[02:50] <gdh> no false idol either =)
[02:50] <ubuntu> hi
[02:50] <fatejudger> lol
[02:50] <CellarDoor> ok yeah It didn't install first time
[02:50] <fatejudger> yeah
[02:51] <CellarDoor> apt wanted me to fix something else first
[02:52] <CellarDoor> brb
[02:55] <CellarDoor> still not working
[02:55] <CellarDoor> xcompmgr is saying "no composite extension"
[02:57] <CellarDoor> I have added this after the "Module" section
[02:57] <CellarDoor> Section "Extensions"
[02:57] <CellarDoor>         Option  "Composite" "Enable"
[02:57] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[02:58] <CellarDoor> I dun geddit
[03:00] <CellarDoor> any suggestions ?
[03:06] <biro> anyone here? :)
[03:11] <CellarDoor> sorta
[03:12] <JeffAMcGee> yes
[03:12] <biro> hehe
[03:12] <biro> site doesn't work for me..:( can you explain me how to set a pass for root? i'm new to kubuntu...
[03:13] <biro> which is the right sudo option?
[03:13] <JeffAMcGee> which site? 
[03:13] <CellarDoor> why not just use sudo
[03:13] <biro> just installed
[03:13] <CellarDoor> gtg
[03:13] <JeffAMcGee> In ubuntu, you generaly don't use root
[03:14] <biro> yes but if i have to do some settings...
[03:14] <gdh> you use 'sudo' to gain temporary root privs
[03:14] <biro> it doesn't work
[03:14] <biro> it shows me sudo options
[03:15] <gdh> you must be doing something very wrong - it works for thousands of users :)
[03:15] <JeffAMcGee> if you want to run a command as root such as synaptic, run "sudo synaptic"
[03:16] <biro> yes, and it asks for a pass
[03:16] <biro> but i didn't set any pass
[03:16] <biro> during installation i mean
[03:16] <JeffAMcGee> type in your user password 
[03:16] <gdh> You use *YOUR* password
[03:17] <JeffAMcGee> you didn't?
[03:17] <gdh> since your user account has 'sudo privileges'
[03:17] <JeffAMcGee> how do you log in?
[03:17] <biro> i mean a root pass :)
[03:17] <JeffAMcGee> type in your user password.
[03:17] <biro> ok it works
[03:17] <gdh> exactly, there is no root password. Gosh I have the strangest feeling of deja vu.
[03:17] <biro> hehe
[03:18] <gdh> I mean how many windows installations out there have an 'Administrator' account that nobody can remember the password to because the account only gets used very rarely? :)
[03:18] <gdh> etc.
[03:18] <gdh> sudo bypasses that problem very elegantly :)
[03:19] <biro> i see...
[03:19] <biro> thank you very much
[03:19] <biro> :)
[03:20] <gdh> (of course, that problem isn't so common because most windows users give themselves Administrator rights, and then they complain about spyware running as services / at startup...)
[03:21] <biro> eh.. i know.. i know...
[03:22] <Cellar|bbs> hehe
[03:23] <biro> so.. if for example i want to edit source.list as root...
[03:23] <gdh> just right-click on it and select 'edit... as root'
[03:23] <gdh> ACtions -> Edit as root
[03:24] <biro> oh
[03:24] <biro> it was too simple...
[03:24] <biro> :P
[03:24] <gdh> Yup - people already thought of that :)
[03:24] <gdh> but... 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' works too
[03:34] <Jeezis> i recommend getting clamav and then going on sourceforge and get the kde frontend for it klamav
[03:34] <Jeezis> it's quite a nice antivirus suite
[03:40] <biro> thanks
[03:40] <biro> i need to sleep a bit :P
[03:40] <biro> it's really late here
[03:40] <biro> hehe
[03:41] <biro> nite all
[03:55] <knick> how do i put icons on the desktop?
[04:12] <delltony> hey any kde developers here? if so how in the heck do you get the kde-devel package to install?
[04:12] <delltony> i get dependences out the rear even after doing an upgrade
[04:28] <_adam> I keep getting an error whenever I try to install anything via the terminal, someone please pm me so I can paste the error, it's only 3 lines
[04:29] <_adam> Has something to do with my sources.list
[04:29] <gdh> 3 lines - paste here..
[04:29] <_adam> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_hoary-kde342_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:29] <_adam> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:29] <_adam> was 3 lines on terminal...sorry
[04:29] <gdh> =)
[04:30] <gdh> AMD64 versions of 3.4.2 have not been built
[04:30] <gdh> only i386
[04:30] <_adam> It does that with everything, GNOME, or any other apps
[04:31] <_adam> wait, is it doing that because I run commands like update and whatever, and it tries to update KDE?
[04:31] <gdh> you need to remove the 342 line from your sources.list
[04:31] <gdh> then apt-get update again
[04:31] <gdh> remove "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main"
[04:31] <_adam> I keep getting problems with KDE, I heard it has problems with 64 bit?
[04:32] <gdh> as http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php clearly says: These packages are currently only available for i386.
[04:32] <gdh> i.e. 32-bit only, no 64 bit
[04:32] <_adam> What's the directory for sources.list again
[04:33] <gdh> it's /etc/apt
[04:33] <_adam> Thanks
[04:33] <_adam> kdesu *what goes here* etc/apt/sources.list
[04:34] <gdh> just browse to the file in konqueror
[04:34] <gdh> and right click
[04:34] <_adam> never mind, it's KATE
[04:34] <gdh> Actions -> edit as root
[04:35] <_adam> Does anyone here have a 64bit proc. that would share their sources.list with me?
[04:36] <gdh> heh I'm in the dark ages :)
[04:40] <_adam> I keep getting lock-ups, can someone help?
[04:41] <_adam> I get them when I'm online
[04:46] <NeoFax> Anyone know how to open an initrd?
[04:47] <gdh> NeoFax: mount -o loop /boot/initrd-blahhhh /mnt/point ?
[04:47] <gdh> might need ti 'gunzip' it first, perhaps
[04:47] <NeoFax> gdh: Thanks!  Going to try it now
[04:50] <NeoFax> gdh: It is missing something.  Mount is asking for a filesystem type
[04:50] <gdh> try adding -t cramfs  or -t romfs
[04:50] <taw> hello
[04:50] <gdh> I can't remember the exact type
[04:50] <NeoFax> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[04:50] <NeoFax> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:50] <taw> how do i get java work with firefox ;-) ?
[04:52] <NeoFax> Now it says wrong fs type
[04:53] <gdh> hm yeh I see what you mean
[04:56] <gdh> is this hoary or breezy?
[04:57] <gdh> what does "uname -a" say?
[04:58] <NeoFax> gdh: Its breezy colony 3
[04:58] <gdh> ah k
[04:58] <gdh> so that uses a gzip compressed initrd
[04:58] <gdh> I don't understand how those work yet :)
[04:59] <gdh> when I uncompressed it, I get a cpio archive
[04:59] <gdh> my brain is too broken right now to investigate that any further
[04:59] <NeoFax> gdh: Well, long story short.  I am trying to get Usplash to work.  It works fine after everything is booted, which leads me to believe the initrd is messed up and not loading the drivers in the right order.
[04:59] <gdh> It's all greek to me...
[05:00] <NeoFax> gdh: Tried the cpio -i initrd but it locked the system
[05:00] <gdh> I've never used cpio :)
[05:26] <Tonka> please teach me to mount a floppy in kubuntu. thanks.
[05:29] <narg> konsole > mount /mnt/floppy
[05:29] <narg> ?
[05:33] <Tonka> thanks so much.
[05:36] <narg> nps ;)\
[06:27] <Bags> Hi room. 
[06:27] <Bags> How does one edit the xorg file? 
[06:30] <Kuolio> sudo gedit /etc/xorg.conf
[06:31] <Bags> Kuolio, Thanks. 
[06:54] <ukato> would removing packages via kynaptic be the easiest way to free up disc space
[06:57] <ilba7r> how can i check if the fans are working on my laptop under ubuntu?
[06:58] <kalenedrael> you listen to them
[06:58] <ilba7r> mine does not produce anysound
[06:58] <kalenedrael> ...
[06:58] <ilba7r> not under window not under ubuntu
[06:58] <kalenedrael> you listen carefully
[06:58] <kalenedrael> either that or the fan doesn't turn on
[06:58] <kalenedrael> what model of laptop do you have?
[06:58] <ilba7r> there are no state var that i can look at
[06:58] <ilba7r> presario 2100 
[06:58] <kalenedrael> no, there is no state var you can look at
[06:59] <ilba7r> compaq
[07:00] <Caedmon> Having problems getting an NTFS drive to mount..  permissions on /media/hdb1 are drwxr-xr-x  when unmounted  but dr-x------- when mounted.. Can't figure out why, and don't have read access.. but I should..  Ideas?
[07:01] <kalenedrael> hm
[07:01] <kalenedrael> mount -o rw -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[07:01] <kalenedrael> note, you have to be root
[07:02] <Caedmon> How would I add that to fstab?
[07:02] <ilba7r> caedmon it should be mounted automatically
[07:03] <Caedmon> s'not
[07:03] <ilba7r> i think the program is gnome-volume-control
[07:03] <ilba7r> this will automatically mount any devices you plug in
[07:03] <ilba7r> sorry its gnome-volume-manager
[07:03] <Caedmon> hm
[07:03] <Caedmon> btw, that mount command didn't work.. wrong FS type
[07:04] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, does the fan *ever* turn on?
[07:05] <ilba7r> kalenedrael truely i do not know
[07:05] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, try doing something very CPU-intensive, like compiling a kernel
[07:05] <ilba7r> and i can not just put my ear on the pc and whatever sound i hear is the fan
[07:05] <kalenedrael> see if you can hear it turn on
[07:05] <kalenedrael> usually you can hear it in a quiet room
[07:05] <ilba7r> no i do not here it
[07:05] <ilba7r> and thats my problem
[07:05] <ilba7r> the cpu over heat and the laptop shutdown
[07:05] <kalenedrael> it did?
[07:06] <kalenedrael> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[07:06] <boga> what app will play my .ogg video files?
[07:06] <kalenedrael> (tells you what the temp is...)
[07:06] <kalenedrael> boga, xine or mplayer should
[07:06] <ilba7r> i have a temperature monitor now and under 6% usage 533 mhz reads 50degree
[07:06] <boga> mplayer does not!
[07:06] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, 50C? that's somewhat hot
[07:06] <ilba7r> .ogg i think vlc
[07:06] <kalenedrael> boga, xine then
[07:07] <kalenedrael> my proc is currently at 50C
[07:07] <kalenedrael> er
[07:07] <kalenedrael> 44C
[07:07] <ilba7r> ya especially i am not loading the pc
[07:07] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, do something very CPU-intensive and see how high the temp gets
[07:07] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, what's the room temp?
[07:07] <ilba7r> it goes up to around 80
[07:07] <ilba7r> then my pc shutdown
[07:07] <ilba7r> room temp is 25
[07:07] <kalenedrael> i assure you it's not damaging the processor... it's just irritating to have the computer shut down
[07:08] <ilba7r> especially if you are doing work
[07:08] <kalenedrael> indeed
[07:08] <kalenedrael> does the fan turn on in windows?
[07:08] <ilba7r> i had to rerun too many programs and to recover too many docs
[07:09] <kalenedrael> hmm
[07:09] <kalenedrael> does the fan turn on in windows?
[07:09] <ilba7r> either it never did or it does not produce loud sound
[07:09] <boga> how can I get realplayer installed?
[07:09] <ilba7r> its supposed to be smooth
[07:09] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, you will definitely be able to hear the fan in a quiet room
[07:09] <ilba7r> but the pc never shutdown in window and i did heavy runs there too
[07:09] <kalenedrael> you don't need to put your ear against it
[07:09] <kalenedrael> either that or i want your laptop :)
[07:10] <ilba7r> lol
[07:10] <ilba7r> they say amd is supposed to be like that
[07:10] <Caedmon> Gnome-volume-manager won't start for me.. Possibly because it's KDE installed?
[07:10] <ilba7r> sorry caedmon i do not know the equivalent for kde
[07:10] <kalenedrael> well, it's not... my laptop's fan is definitely noticeable
[07:11] <kalenedrael> Caedmon, what's the error when you try to start it?
[07:11] <ilba7r> it just automount usb drives for you
[07:11] <Caedmon> It mounts fine
[07:11] <Caedmon> but I can't cd into the directory..
[07:11] <ilba7r> cd as root
[07:11] <Caedmon> How do I get to root? su doesn't work..  
[07:11] <ilba7r> or chmod you might try that
[07:11] <Caedmon> tried chmod
[07:12] <kalenedrael> chown?
[07:12] <ilba7r> sudo chmod
[07:12] <Caedmon> same
[07:12] <Caedmon> Nothing works.
[07:12] <Caedmon> dunno why
[07:12] <ilba7r> sudo -i
[07:12] <Caedmon> permissions change on it when you mount it too
[07:12] <ilba7r> will give you a terminal with su privlages
[07:12] <Caedmon> Aha
[07:12] <Caedmon> so it works as root
[07:13] <ilba7r> what is your laptop kalenedrael
[07:13] <Caedmon> Now how do I make it read accessable for my non-privilaged account
[07:13] <kalenedrael> um
[07:13] <kalenedrael> hp zv5460
[07:13] <ilba7r> /dev/hda1       /windows        vfat    defaults        0       0
[07:13] <ilba7r> type that in fstab
[07:13] <ilba7r> it gave me read permission
[07:13] <Caedmon> ntfs != vfat
[07:13] <ilba7r> but i do not like write permission
[07:13] <Caedmon> ntfs drive
[07:14] <ilba7r> ah ok i have formatted mine with fat
[07:14] <ilba7r> expect problems with ntfs
[07:14] <ilba7r> ah hp are notrious for their noise i know
[07:14] <Caedmon> NTFS read is fine.. It's write that's fubar
[07:15] <ilba7r> frankly thats why i avoided them did not like the review of noisy running
[07:16] <ilba7r> kalenedrael ok its running now the fan 
[07:17] <ilba7r> caedmon you might try ubuntu room. Sorry i have little experience with ntfs and thats why i avoided it
[07:17] <Caedmon> Confuses me why I have access to this folder as root but not on my unprivilaged account..
[07:17] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, ok then
[07:17] <kalenedrael> perhaps your laptop just has really poor thermal design
[07:17] <kalenedrael> i know mine does :P
[07:17] <kalenedrael> one fan is always on
[07:18] <kalenedrael> the other (yes, there are two fans) turns on if the temp gets to 60C
[07:18] <ilba7r> ah thats a problem with ubuntu not the pc
[07:18] <ilba7r> i am reading a thread on that right now
[07:18] <kalenedrael> no, it's a problem with the PC
[07:18] <kalenedrael> same behavior in windows
[07:18] <ilba7r> caedmon i believe its the mounting options
[07:18] <kalenedrael> i believe that the fan is bios controlled
[07:18] <ilba7r> try the mount line i sent and change vfat
[07:18] <kalenedrael> anyway the second fan has three speed settings...
[07:19] <kalenedrael> on, high, and laptop is going to lift off
[07:19] <ilba7r> lol
[07:19] <ilba7r> better then being too hot like mine
[07:19] <kalenedrael> oh, it had some problems with heat
[07:19] <ilba7r> i can feel the heat from the keyboard
[07:19] <kalenedrael> i had to send the laptop in to HP for servicing...
[07:19] <kalenedrael> because i fuxed the bios
[07:20] <ilba7r> oh and they did not complain that you are running linux not window
[07:20] <kalenedrael> so they return it, and i turn it on... find that it idles at 50C (!) and when doing something CPU-intensive, jumps to 76C and the fan goes into the 'liftoff' mode
[07:20] <Caedmon> Still permission denied on the unprivilaged account >_<
[07:20] <kalenedrael> ilba7r, i removed the HD before sending it to them
[07:20] <ilba7r> Caedmon what groups the unprivilaged account belong too
[07:21] <Caedmon> just it's own
[07:21] <Caedmon> afaik
[07:21] <kalenedrael> so i discovered that the techs have no clue how to install a CPU heatsink properly
[07:21] <kalenedrael> i disassembled the laptop and removed the heatsink
[07:21] <ilba7r> lol
[07:21] <Caedmon> nope..
[07:21] <kalenedrael> and found gobs of thermal compound all over it
[07:21] <kalenedrael> i'm like 'wtf, you idiots' and replaced it with a nice thin layer of AS5
[07:21] <ilba7r> Caedmon and what is this user privlages?
[07:22] <Caedmon> adm, admin, scanner lpadmin, plugdev, video, cdrom, floppy, dialout
[07:22] <Caedmon> is all the groups I'm in
[07:22] <Caedmon> my bad
[07:22] <ilba7r> you know something i truely feel it might be a faulty hardware but to try to fix that is a hastle and i do not have time for it now
[07:23] <Caedmon> hmmm
[07:24] <ilba7r> Caedmon did you use -R when you chmod
[07:24] <Caedmon> yup
[07:24] <ilba7r> i give up
[07:24] <Caedmon> and you can't chown once it's mounted either
[07:24] <Caedmon> or chmod
[07:24] <Caedmon> it's all sorts of weird..
[07:25] <ilba7r> !ntfs
[07:25] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[07:26] <ilba7r> caedmon read that
[07:27] <ilba7r> sorry but i totally forgot about ubotu
[07:34] <ilba7r> kalenedrae what is the polling_freq?
[07:35] <ilba7r> for it is disabled in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM
[07:36] <kalenedrael> dunno
[07:36] <kalenedrael> polling is disabled on my laptop too
[07:36] <ilba7r> i think this is how freq it check temp i will google it
[07:37] <ilba7r> but the funny thing is my critical temp is 100
[07:37] <ilba7r> no wonder my pc fires up
[07:37] <kalenedrael> that's fine
[07:37] <kalenedrael> really, though... 100C is fine for a bunch of silicon, copper, gold, and aluminum
[07:38] <kalenedrael> it's just that the proc may not run reliably at 100C, due to thermal noise
[07:38] <ilba7r> but if polling freq is disabled tht mean it does not sample right
[07:38] <ilba7r> or there is a daemon to check the temp
[07:38] <kalenedrael> no, i don't think that is the case
[07:38] <kalenedrael> my temps get updated rather quickly
[07:40] <ilba7r> ok thanx kalenedrae will google on then to see whats wrong take care my friend
[08:01] <ilba7r> i have no files under /proc/acpi/fan does that mean i do not have a fan?
[08:18] <Millox> is there any deveolper here for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[09:01] <mindspin> hi, anyone here experienced in customizing access to applications?
[09:03] <EvanCarroll> How does kubuntu handle utf8, if i remove the indic fonts, will utf8 indian scripts still apear or do utf-8 codepoints map to their own fontset
[09:04] <badbear> hi
[09:05] <badbear> i'm a linux newbie
[09:05] <badbear> i've just installed kubuntu, but i'm having trouble writing to a fat32 partition
[09:05] <badbear> i've mount it, and umount it, thousand of times
[09:06] <badbear> but it doesn't give my normal user, privileges to write
[09:06] <badbear> what can i do?
[09:07] <EvanCarroll> change the uid
[09:07] <EvanCarroll> when you mount it add -o uid=000
[09:08] <badbear> i'm gonna try
[09:08] <badbear> tnks
[09:11] <badbear> i have the following
[09:11] <badbear> mount point uid=000 does not exist
[09:12] <badbear> my mount cmd is the following
[09:12] <badbear> mount -t /dev/hda5 /mnt/datos2 -o rw,exec,auto,user uid=000
[09:12] <badbear> ?
[09:13] <EvanCarroll> comma,
[09:13] <EvanCarroll> user,uid=0
[09:14] <badbear> it display the --help text
[09:14] <badbear> i think that mean i didn't execute the command, am i right?
[09:15] <EvanCarroll> ... that means you scrweed up
[09:15] <EvanCarroll> your -t is wrong
[09:16] <EvanCarroll> -t specifies fs type
[09:16] <EvanCarroll> so specify it or remove the t
[09:16] <badbear> u're right
[09:16] <badbear> -t vfat
[09:17] <badbear> it happens the same
[09:17] <badbear> access denied for my normal user
[09:17] <badbear> the ls -l of the mnt directory
[09:17] <badbear> shows the following atributos for the mount point
[09:18] <badbear> drwxr-xr-x
[09:18] <badbear> and chmod doesn't work
[09:18] <badbear> any guess of what can be happening?
[09:20] <badbear> now, i'm executing the mount cmd, logged as root in the terminal
[09:20] <badbear> with su cmd
[09:22] <badbear> the problem its fixed
[09:22] <badbear> i really don't know what fixed it
[09:23] <badbear> i mount the device with normal
[09:23] <badbear> but thanks EvanCarroll
[09:23] <badbear> :)
[10:28] <cmvo> Hi! Is there a way to restart the second phase of the kubuntu installation (after the reboot)?
[10:55] <ilba7r>  /join #ubuntu
[11:17] <skalpel> what is the default mail client in kubuntu called?
[11:32] <amu> kmail
[12:30] <ekimus> hi, anyone knows some documentation about starting kate from the shell with a certain syntax highlighting
[12:36] <_mindspin> where can I get the Kiosk Environment or Kiosk admintool?
[12:39] <_mindspin> !info kiosk
[12:41] <amu> kiosktool it's only in breezy 
[12:41] <amu> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kiosktool
[12:43] <nikkia> woo, looks like i get a bit of a rest from work for a couple of hours!
[12:44] <_mindspin> amu: thanks
[12:48] <nikkia> mornign apokryphos!
[12:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: hola!
[12:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: i get a bit of a rest today, after all!
[12:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: did your boss send the stuff?
[12:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: my boss sent me his code changes, i've integrated them all, but he forgot one key function, so i have to wait til he gets home and can send me that :)
[12:49] <nikkia> and then i upload my fully integrated version to him, and he has to fix a couple of functions he messed up :P
[12:50] <nikkia> there's something satisfying about pestering your boss to do work on a bank holiday :P
[12:50] <apokryphos> hehe, excellent. A lot of work?
[12:50] <apokryphos> Indeed, I'm sure. :D
[12:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: nah, an hour at the most, in theory, but it means i have nothing to do until he gets home
[12:51] <apokryphos> what *will* you do? Will life have meaning? ;-)
[12:51] <nikkia> i say 'in theory' because, he grossly underestimated how convoluted their API is, he's been pestering me about it for the duration of the project saying 'it can't be that hard', last night he emailed me with 'f'ing hell, this is messed up!'
[12:51] <apokryphos> heh
[12:52] <apokryphos> For me, well, it feels good to get up late; most other adults seem to have gone out, so it's pretty quiet 8)
[12:54] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: can try the mic now ;-)
[12:54] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: aha! :D
[12:55] <apokryphos> not sure if it works yet; don't have another app to check it with
[01:06] <nikkia> hmmm, TargetAlert is a great ff extension! 
[01:06] <_pete> join #ubuntu
[01:18] <jatos> hi
[01:18] <jatos> anyone having problems with universe?
[01:59] <Chousuke> Holy crap
[01:59] <Chousuke> I got 50 windows of spam
[02:00] <Chousuke> thankfully irssi's advanced features allow me to close all those windows in one command .)
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Chousuke:   /umode +CE to reduce your spam
[02:01] <Chousuke> I'm not regged 
[02:01] <Chousuke> nor will I ever register.
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ah - well then 
[02:01] <Chousuke> Too much work. :P
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Chousuke: oh, for a moment I thought you were against it on principle...
[02:02] <Chousuke> That too.
[02:06] <Chousuke> Hm
[02:06] <Chousuke> Perhaps I should just leave freenode :P
[02:08] <Phantom^^> hmm anyone know of a good rar handling program for kubuntu?
[02:15] <Bags> Hurro
[02:16] <Bags> Anyone here have any experience setting up a Ubuntu machine as a ftp server? 
[02:16] <Bags> Something with a simple and nice GUI ? 
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ah, well consecutive sentences :)
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Bags:  I believe pure-ftpd has a GUI called pureadmin
[02:19] <Bags> thoreauputic: Ok, cool. 
[02:19] <_mindspin> thoreauputic: do you know an easy way to customize access to programs in kubuntu?
[02:19] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks for that.. 
[02:19] <thoreauputic> _mindspin: I don't understand the question
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Bags: you're welcome - you realise that ftp is a very insecure protocol, right?
[02:20] <_mindspin> I want to create a user who's only able to use open office, thunderbird and firefox
[02:20] <_mindspin> and some more ... ;-)
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Bags: passwords not encrypted etc
[02:22] <thoreauputic> gotta go - see you later, all
[02:22] <Bags> thoreauputic: Not a problem. 
[02:36] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: yes, it's called rar
[02:42] <Mose`> how to extract *.ace files?
[02:45] <d3cay^> sup every1?
[02:45] <d3cay^> tryin to install my first theme....
[02:46] <d3cay^> dl'd it to desktop but cant seem to get it installed
[02:46] <d3cay^> :(
[02:46] <d3cay^> this default theme is killin me
[02:46] <d3cay^> llo
[02:54] <Phantom^^> hmm i tried apt-get rar
[02:54] <Phantom^^> and it did not like it
[03:01] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: ark should support rars, I believe, if the appropriate things are installed
[03:06] <Phantom^^> thnaks apokryphos 
[03:36] <NigeyUK> ya'll staying this time? lol
[04:05] <Fraeon> Hmmmm...can't get apache to run python scripts :/
[04:05] <Fraeon> I installed the libapache2-python package...am I supposed to do something else as well?
[04:08] <apokryphos> Fraeon: only thing I can really think of is: restart apache
[04:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: hey; there was a talk on Firefox Qt at aKademy; there's a transcript available if you wanna see it...
[04:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh?
[04:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: links from the dot, of course :P. http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Talks%20%40%20aKademy%202005
[04:12] <apokryphos> Watched the whole of Shuttleworth's speech; there's a video. It was pretty interesting
[04:12] <apokryphos> he starts off by saying, "I was asked to talk about [K] ubuntu, but I'm actually going to just talk about collaboration". :D
[04:12] <Fraeon> pache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.4.1 PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4.1 Server at localhost.localdomain Port 80
[04:13] <Fraeon> I see that below it all, but when I try to run the scripts, it tries to download them instead of running them
[04:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: though, I never actually knew that Konqueror always planned (or did, some time ago) on having Gecko as another alternate in Konqueror
[04:13] <Fraeon> There must be something obvious I'm missing
[04:13] <apokryphos> did you restart apache?
[04:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, i remember it being thrown around in the early days of gecko
[04:13] <Fraeon> apokryphos: unless "apache2 -k restart" does something else than restart the thing, then yes, I did. :P
[04:14] <nikkia> argh
[04:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: what I found more interesting (which I just found out) is that safari developers were actually more experienced with Gecko (and inclined to gnome), but went for KHTML :D
[04:14] <NigeyUK> if it trying to download them it might just be the mimetype isnt setup for python ?
[04:14] <Fraeon> Hmm? And how do I set it up? Sorry, new to setting up webservers here.
[04:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats because the 'safari developers' were actually that guy that ported firefox to macosx (and called it Camino)
[04:16] <NigeyUK> err not sure what file apache2 stores mime-types in .. rarely use it .. it's normally  in /usr/local/apache/conf
[04:16] <apokryphos> heard of it, yes.
[04:16] <nikkia> NigeyUK: it'd be /etc/apache[2] /mime-types, iirc, but!....
[04:16] <nikkia> apache can run sandboxed, in which case, it probably needs a copy in its chroot
[04:17] <NigeyUK> ahh i see
[04:17] <nikkia> i'm constantly forgetting to update the /etc files for my postfix install :)
[04:17] <NigeyUK> lol
[04:17] <nikkia> ie, i get warnings that /etc/hosts is different from {postfix's-chroot-jail}/etc/hosts
[04:17] <NigeyUK> tut tut :p
[04:25] <Fraeon> Oh..ferchrissake
[04:26] <Fraeon> I give up for now
[04:37] <Pie-maker> anyone happen to know a program for linux that can convert images to text.?
[04:37] <Pie-maker> I want to take screens and then use that program to extract the text rather than me having to type it out
[04:39] <sproingie> OCR apps might do it.  nothing general purpose
[04:39] <amu> maybe convert? 
[04:41] <Pie-maker> that's what I'm looking for, an ocr program
[05:39] <mornfall> moo
[05:45] <gdh> Yes, I heard that rumour.
[05:46] <apokryphos> apt-get moo 8)
[05:47] <gdh> heh :) I see aptitude explicitly does not have super-cow powers :)
[05:48] <apokryphos> not yet, anyway; I hear some employees are being hired to rectify the situation
[05:52] <apokryphos> %whois Pyre 
[05:52] <Pyre> I'll tell you who Pyre is. Pyre (aka A hyper-intelligent shade of blue) is connected to this server and is currently in #kubuntu. They have been idle for 0 minutes, 93 seconds.
[05:53] <apokryphos> he crashes on the current server for some things; think there's a dated python version on the server :/
[05:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: kdelook is the one good feature, which doesn't work I think
[05:53] <apokryphos> %kdelook knifty
[05:53] <Pyre> MKUltra with Optional Knifty-like Buttons - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25375&amp;PHPSESSID=1dc94e3e22ad9855ba24a14173794c98
[05:53] <Pyre> link - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25375&amp;PHPSESSID=1dc94e3e22ad9855ba24a14173794c98
[05:53] <Pyre> Crystal-GL Knifty - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19196&amp;PHPSESSID=1dc94e3e22ad9855ba24a14173794c98
[05:53] <nikkia> heh
[05:54] <apokryphos> ohh, yes it does :D. Maybe they updated python or something.
[05:55] <gdh> Pyre (aka A hyper-intelligent shade of blue) ? I thought that was the Hooloovoo from Hitchhikers...
[05:55] <apokryphos> d'oh
[05:56] <apokryphos> gdh: indeed, it is. :)
[05:56] <apokryphos> %anagram apokryphos
[05:56] <apokryphos> gah
[05:57] <apokryphos> anagram still not working; useless!
[05:57] <gdh> apokryphos: I just love the phrase 'refracted into a prism especially for the occasion' :)
[05:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: anyway, given that a pyre is a large burning thing, the name fits :P
[05:57] <Tm_T> hi kids
[05:58] <apokryphos> gdh: so many great ones; he has a way with words. I remember "the ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't"
[05:58] <gdh> Yes yes :))
[05:58] <apokryphos> from a randon quote somewhere; not sure where it's from actually :/
[05:58] <apokryphos> Tm_T: hi dad
[05:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah, probably 8)
[05:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: torrent downloading at 460! New record.
[05:59] <nikkia> i had 700KB/s earlier
[06:00] <apokryphos> this one's fluctuating higher a bit; if I was lazy enough I'd watch it to see a greater record :P. Still, I'm not complaining. Good stuff.
[06:01] <apokryphos> only 19 peers, too; I've had 100+ many times and still got >50
[06:01] <nikkia> not really dl'ing anything atm
[06:01] <nikkia> just padding my ratio on the 2 private sites i'm on, so i have some slack for next time i do need something
[06:01] <nikkia> up to 10GB over ratio on one site, 5GB over on the other :)
[06:02] <mornfall> private sites eh
[06:02] <mornfall> is that like private parts?
[06:02] <nikkia> mornfall: no
[06:03] <apokryphos> I used to work up my azureus stats a bit, but always obliterated after other installs etc. I figure I've reached at least 130+ gig upload so far.
[06:03] <mornfall> wth is azureus
[06:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: these ratios are stored server side, which is how private sites normally enforce ratios :)
[06:04] <apokryphos> KTorrent seems to only keep stats for the current session, but hey.
[06:04] <apokryphos> azureus (1)          - Java BitTorrent client
[06:04] <mornfall> not heh
[06:05] <mornfall> s/not //
[06:05] <mornfall> btlaunchmanycurses ;-)
[06:11] <nikkia> gah, i'm bored :(
[06:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: loads of entertainment on http://something.com
[06:12] <apokryphos> ok, it wants the www
[06:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: lunch? at 5:15pm ?
[06:37] <Fraeon> Hrmmm...Krita crashes on startup every time and deleting its settings file(kritarc) doesn't seem to do the trick
[06:42] <Tm_T> sounds like Krita
[06:43] <scto> hi @all
[06:47] <jjesse> hello scto
[06:56] <Luen> hello
[07:21] <fromoze> tenshiKur0: Hi are you japanese? Some problems here about the Kana input on kde
[07:24] <Luen> sonna
[07:24] <Luen> ojyama shimasu
[07:25] <Luen> qt aplications de nihongo kakimasen dakedo GTK no aplications dekiru 
[07:25] <Luen> doshitara ii daro
[07:39] <MarcC> 3.4.2 available for i386...will it work for 686 kernels?
[07:42] <Tm_T> yup
[07:42] <MarcC> thanks
[07:42] <Tm_T> ofcourse =)
[07:42] <MarcC> so what *won't* it work for...macs?
[07:42] <fromoze> 686 and i386 are both x86
[07:42] <fromoze> macs is ppc
[07:43] <fromoze> and amd64 is x86_64
[07:43] <MarcC> These packages are currently only available for i386.
[07:43] <MarcC> (says kubuntu.org)
[07:43] <fromoze> is true
[07:43] <MarcC> so that should work, right?
[07:43] <fromoze> for a 686 yes
[07:43] <MarcC> okay, thanks.
[07:43] <fromoze> non for ppc
[07:44] <MarcC> so when I hear i386, I should think x86? That doesn't really make sense to me. Seems opposite should be true.
[07:44] <Blissex> MarcC: lower numbered x86 have less special features than higher numbered ones.
[07:45] <MarcC> thanks Blissex.
[07:45] <MarcC> I was just a little confused.
[07:45] <Blissex> MarcC: so code compiled on 386 will run on any higher generation processor
[07:45] <MarcC> ah, ok.
[07:45] <Blissex> 386 is the least common denominator of all x86 variants.
[07:45] <MarcC> ok, that's good to know.
[07:46] <Blissex> but in practice nowadays 686 is also the lowest common denominator one can find -- 486 and 586 (Pentium) are hard to find.
[07:46] <MarcC> right.
[07:46] <Blissex> and 686 code will run on any recent AMD or Intel CPU (not necessarily every VIA one IIRC).
[07:47] <MarcC> so should I remove the 3.4.1 source when I paste the 3.4.2 address into sources.list?
[07:51] <Blissex> MarcC: well, it does not matter really, but you might as well.
[07:51] <MarcC> cool, I did it.
[07:59] <dazjorz> argh
[07:59] <dazjorz> ##php is becoming shitty now
[08:00] <jpowers> #!#dcore
[08:00] <jpowers> gah
[08:10] <stoeptegel> amu?
[08:12] <Cylla> Is it possible to edit the network settings from the System menu? It states that I must have root access to modify them and I should press the Administrator Mode button. I have yet to be able to find it.
[08:15] <dazjorz> is there a eDonkey client for Linux ?
[08:16] <dazjorz> something like eMule ?
[08:17] <dazjorz> uhh hello ?
[08:17] <dazjorz> some eDonkey client for Linux like eMule ?
[08:18] <gdh> dazjorz: 'aMule' ? :)
[08:21] <dazjorz> serious ?
[08:21] <dazjorz> I see LMule
[08:22] <dazjorz> yeh... aptitude shows an amule
[08:23] <dazjorz> amule == lmule
[08:23] <dazjorz> thats what aptitude says
[08:23] <dazjorz>  Formerly know as lmule.
[08:23] <dazjorz> ^^
[08:32] <NigeyUK> is there any way to change Flash font settings ?
[08:38] <_StarScream> NigeyUK, not usually...the fonts are set within the .swf
[08:38] <_StarScream> flashplayer under linux will attempt to do font substitution
[08:38] <_StarScream> if the font isn't available
[08:38] <NigeyUK> thats what i thought but they all come up the same font and it's tiny
[08:39] <NigeyUK> hm, ill have to try and change the default somehow
[08:39] <_StarScream> hmm well i'm on PPC so i don't have flash, but my linux box at work doesn't seem to have that problem
[08:39] <_StarScream> and i run  at 1600x1200
[08:40] <NigeyUK> odd
[08:40] <ManLord> help please: how to make a textfile "runnable" in kde? how to run it?
[08:40] <jpatrick> ManLord: have you set it as executable?
[08:40] <ManLord> how?
[08:41] <jpatrick> right click -> properites
[08:41] <jpatrick> properties*
[08:41] <ManLord> ok check, do i have to start the file with some kind of prefix?
[08:41] <jpatrick> :/
[08:41] <pentax> hola quien me dice como instalar los plugins todo con respcto alos mp3 y ver peliculas!!!!!!!!
[08:42] <jpatrick> pentax: #kubuntu-es
[08:42] <pentax> oka vale tio
[08:42] <d3cay^> sup peeps
[08:42] <d3cay^> any1 familiar with gkrellm?
[08:44] <NigeyUK> used it a bit
[08:44] <d3cay^> tryin to figure out how to get it installed.....
[08:45] <d3cay^> lol
[08:45] <NigeyUK> ohh
[08:45] <d3cay^> have any idea what the command would be?
[08:45] <NigeyUK> is it not in apt? ive not even tried yet, its on my list though lol
[08:45] <d3cay^> i have no clue NigeyUK .. im a ubern00b atm...
[08:45] <NigeyUK> try this in konsole
[08:45] <NigeyUK> sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[08:46] <NigeyUK> ah it is there, that command should get it fine for ya
[08:46] <_StarScream> gkrellm is gtk no?
[08:47] <d3cay^> esher: couldnt find package gkrellm
[08:47] <d3cay^> :(
[08:47] <NigeyUK> yer, but ive had it running fine in kde before
[08:47] <_StarScream> d3cay^, do you have universe in apt?
[08:47] <d3cay^> NigeyUK: *
[08:47] <d3cay^> ummmmm
[08:47] <NigeyUK> i do yer
[08:48] <d3cay^> _StarScream:  i have no clue
[08:48] <d3cay^> universe in apt?
[08:48] <_StarScream> d3cay^, check out the ubuntu wikki for apt
[08:48] <d3cay^> where would i do that _StarScream ?
[08:49] <_StarScream> d3cay^, on the ubuntu website...there is a link on kubuntu.org
[08:50] <d3cay^> k
[08:50] <d3cay^> brb
[08:50] <d3cay^> lookin
[08:50] <_StarScream> it will give you info on how apt works
[08:50] <_StarScream> and the different repositories
[08:50] <d3cay^> nice
[08:52] <pentax> how install winnig eleven 8 in linux???
[08:52] <narg> whee.... eric3 segfaults on startup!
[08:52] <jpatrick> Can anyone explain to me how to Cervisia to work right?
[08:52] <pentax> and winex o cedega?
[08:53] <jpatrick> wb ManLord 
[08:53] <ManLord> ?
[08:53] <jpatrick> ?
[08:53] <ManLord> jpatrick: how to run the script without opening terminal and write ./filename?
[08:53] <ManLord> like in gnome, u select run on the  dialog box
[08:53] <narg> pentax: For one, woah, spanglish :p For two, what is winning 11 8?
[08:54] <narg> manlord alt+f2
[08:55] <humbe> hola
[08:55] <jpatrick> humbe: #kubuntu-es
[08:55] <Phantom^^> whats a standard dvd video player for linux ?
[08:56] <humbe> sorry
[08:56] <humbe> jejeje
[08:56] <narg> Phantom: Mplayer, kaffiene, kvlc?
[08:57] <pentax> kubuntu-es no hay casi nadie tio
[08:58] <humbe> voy para all
[08:58] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[08:58] <Phantom^^> seems that kaffiene does not have the dvd plug in or something 
[08:58] <pentax> pero integremos mas amigos para lla a kubuntu-es los
[08:58] <narg> install the pacakge w32codecs
[08:58] <narg> which is in multiverse I believe
[08:58] <Phantom^^> ok
[08:59] <narg> that lets you play most codecs, wma, dvd, mp3, etc
[08:59] <Phantom^^> ok
[09:00] <narg> Phantom: Beware, kaffien isnt known for stability :)
[09:00] <narg> kaffiene*
[09:00] <Phantom^^> hmm
[09:00] <Phantom^^> i tryed apt-get install w32codecs
[09:00] <Phantom^^> and it did not work :(
[09:00] <humbe> hello again
[09:01] <jpowers> Phantom^^: did you enable multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:01] <narg> do apt-cache search w32codecs
[09:01] <narg> and see if it turns up
[09:01] <gdh> I thought w32codecs was a marillat-only thing.
[09:01] <jpowers> ah
[09:01] <jpowers> that's right
[09:01] <narg> peer, its in multiverse too I think. Ill check
[09:02] <narg> its in backports at least ;)
[09:02] <Phantom^^> hmm well i look in kynaptic and i have a few things saying universe next to them
[09:02] <Phantom^^> so i guess i have it enables
[09:02] <Phantom^^> d
[09:02] <humbe> gdh i think so
[09:03] <narg> Phantom: Add: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:03] <narg> to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:03] <narg> To get w32codecs
[09:03] <narg> among other things :)
[09:09] <narg> work for ya Phantom?
[09:09] <Phantom^^> hmm not i added the line to sources.list
[09:09] <Phantom^^> but i still cannot 
[09:09] <Phantom^^> get the package
[09:11] <narg> did you apt-get update?
[09:12] <Phantom^^> yeah
[09:13] <Phantom^^> are there anymore of those " lines " i can put into sources.list ?
[09:15] <_jeff> hey guys
[09:16] <_jeff> can anyone tell me how to install debian packages made for ubuntu?
[09:16] <Phantom^^> apt-get install ?
[09:16] <_jeff> ok ill try it
[09:16] <_jeff> im trying to install kmess
[09:17] <humbe> or aptitude instal
[09:18] <narg> phantom, join #phantom quick
[09:27] <Phantom^^> hehe narg i jsut did apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:27] <Phantom^^> with all those new sources
[09:27] <Phantom^^> its going nuts lol
[09:27] <Phantom^^> i hope i dont kill anything
[09:27] <narg> i doubt you will
[09:28] <Phantom^^> i think its upgrading kde to like the bleeding edge 
[09:28] <narg> to 3.4.2
[09:28] <narg> newest stable
[09:28] <Phantom^^> ahh ok
[09:29] <Phantom^^> out of interest those lines you have commented out? if i were to un comment them would that make me update to the developement version ?
[09:31] <narg> hrmm
[09:31] <narg> the deb-src is for downloading src
[09:31] <narg> source
[09:32] <narg> but I dont, so it just more update time
[09:32] <narg> the other commented deb I'm not sure why its commented
[09:32] <narg> ;P
[09:32] <Phantom^^> should i un comment them 
[09:33] <narg> nah
[09:33] <narg> I think they'll just error when you update
[09:33] <narg> if you want more up to date, run breezy
[09:33] <narg> which I do on another partition, but X doesnt work atm :p
[09:34] <Phantom^^> lol ok
[09:34] <Phantom^^> i think i have gone as far as i dare
[09:34] <narg> heh
[09:34] <narg> this will get you a nice update to date system for now
[09:35] <Phantom^^> yay
[09:37] <_mike> hi, i was wondering how to set up shadows and translucency in KDE 3.4
[09:37] <narg> needs to be enabled in xorg.conf
[09:37] <_mike> how would i go abouts doing that?
[09:37] <narg> then you can do in kcontrol > window > transparancy and shadow
[09:38] <_mike> i dont have kcontrol
[09:38] <narg> yes you do
[09:38] <narg> kmenu > System Settings
[09:38] <_mike> konqueror control panel?
[09:39] <_mike> i dont see any system settings
[09:39] <Phantom^^> brb
[09:40] <narg> your running kubuntu, no?
[09:40] <_mike> ubuntu with KDE
[09:41] <narg> close enough
[09:41] <narg> Kmenu, then you should see control center or system settings
[09:41] <narg> or something
[09:41] <narg> it should be close the bottom
[09:41] <_mike> ok im in settings
[09:41] <_mike> appearance and themes?
[09:41] <_mike> desktop?
[09:42] <narg> umm
[09:43] <_mike> wait
[09:43] <stoeptegel> in kubuntu-live my harddisks aren't showing up but in knoppix they do. ?
[09:43] <narg> desktop > window behavoir > translucency
[09:44] <narg> just a default settings stoeptegel.
[09:44] <narg> Does the livecd have System menu on the kicker?
[09:44] <_mike> Translucency support is new and may cause problems
[09:44] <_mike> including crashes (sometimes the translucency engine, seldom even X).
[09:45] <_mike> do i enable anyway?
[09:45] <narg> _mike: Yup. Its not all the bad for crashing though
[09:45] <narg> but it is a risk
[09:45] <narg> if you are willing to put up with a crash or two. If it gets bad, disable it.
[09:45] <stoeptegel> and kubuntu-live give me artifacts at random times (also tried 5.04.5 and daily build, same prob4 for daily and 5.04.5 i368 didn't boot :( )
[09:45] <_mike> ok
[09:45] <narg> stoeptegel:  artifacts
[09:45] <narg> ?
[09:46] <_mike> umm i enabled it but i dont see any shadows
[09:46] <Phantom^^> narg, i want to reinstall kaffeine but apt is trying to get me to put a cd in when i want to download it. How do i force it to get the latest version of the net ?
[09:47] <narg> because its not enabled in xorg.conf mike. Im looking up with to put in there atm
[09:47] <_mike> look on www.kde-apps.org for it
[09:47] <narg> Phantom^^: comment out the cd entries.
[09:47] <stoeptegel> narg: yeah i dunno how to descripe else... it give me tampered content and a non aaccessible system
[09:47] <Phantom^^> ahhh ok
[09:47] <_mike> ok thanks narg
[09:48] <Phantom^^> narg i don't think there are any.
[09:48] <_mike> ok im back, sorry, accidentally closed window
[09:48] <narg> stoeptegel: hrm.
[09:48] <stoeptegel> i already spoke to amu about this, and tried latest build but that gave me the same probs
[09:48] <Phantom^^> no my bad there are
[09:48] <narg> mike: add this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:48] <narg> Section "Extensions"
[09:48] <narg>     Option "Composite" "Enable"
[09:48] <narg> EndSection
[09:48] <narg> at the bottom
[09:49] <narg> So, like describe the biggest problem (trying to figure out whats wrong :p)
[09:49] <narg> mike: Your using an nvidia card, no?
[09:49] <Jatos> hi
[09:50] <_mike> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[09:50] <_mike> i have no idea narg
[09:50] <_mike> im on a laptop
[09:50] <narg> _mike: sudo edit it :)
[09:50] <narg> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:50] <_mike> narg, how would i do that
[09:50] <narg> for nano, which is a simple program
[09:50] <Jatos> -anyone here used any of the "other" guis like floxbox
[09:50] <narg> do that from konsole
[09:51] <_mike> ok im in the nano editing thingy
[09:51] <_mike> now wut
[09:51] <narg> _mike: This need alot of power btw. If you think you have a weak graphics card, don't bother.
[09:51] <narg> go to the bottom
[09:51] <narg> with the arrow keys
[09:52] <ElementalSilver> Greetings everyone, I'm here to exploit people for help =P
[09:52] <Tm_T> wtf
[09:52] <narg> then select the stuff I pasted above, then go to konsole and middle click at the bottom
[09:52] <Tm_T> noooooo
[09:52] <narg> it should paste it
[09:52] <_mike> umm nothing showed up in konsole, just the nano editor
[09:52] <narg> Wtf, who let color get turned on :/
[09:52] <narg> _mike: hrm
[09:52] <Tm_T> 1) leave that red colour
[09:53] <Tm_T> 2) don't exploit me or I explode you
[09:53] <narg> _mike: what did you type?
[09:53] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[09:53] <ElementalSilver> It was a joke -.-
[09:53] <ElementalSilver> And sorry about the red color. Using Trillian
[09:53] <_mike> exactly wut u sed to type
[09:54] <ElementalSilver> Is it black now?
[09:54] <narg> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:54] <narg> right?
[09:54] <_mike> yes
[09:54] <narg> and you entered your password, and it opened nano?
[09:54] <_mike> ok now its working
[09:54] <_mike> i had to do it again
[09:55] <stoeptegel> elementsilver: yeah but bold
[09:55] <narg> ah, ok.
[09:55] <ElementalSilver> *grunt* Sorry. One moment
[09:55] <ElementalSilver> Alright... Now is it unbolded?
[09:55] <narg> yes
[09:56] <ElementalSilver> Great. I apologize. Trillian is a pest and I didn't want to take the time to install mIRC.
[09:56] <_mike> narg, i added wut u told me to add, now how do i save it
[09:56] <narg> ctrl+x
[09:56] <narg> then enter
[09:57] <_mike> alright now i finished editing
[09:57] <_mike> now what?
[09:57] <narg> restart your computer
[09:57] <narg> when it reboot
[09:57] <_mike> ok
[09:57] <narg> it should be working
[09:57] <narg> :)
[09:57] <ElementalSilver> I'm having some mean troubles with a linux box I'm trying to set up. I just did a fresh install off of a Kubuntu disk I burnt today and when I boot, all I get is a command prompt and the display is really shrunk and messed up.
[09:57] <_mike> thanks alot narg
[09:58] <ElementalSilver> The multi desktop is working, thankfully, but its hard to read anything.
[09:58] <Blissex> ElementalSilver: thanks for the details...
[09:58] <ElementalSilver> Well, I don't know where to start.
[09:58] <narg> ElementalSilver: You running on a dell?
[09:58] <Blissex> ElementalSilver: is X starting?
[09:58] <Blissex> ElementalSilver: or is it just console mode?
[09:59] <ElementalSilver> One moment, loading up specs.
[09:59] <ElementalSilver> Compaq Presario 4550
[09:59] <Phantom^^> narg i installed the w 32 codecs using apt and now after reinstalling kaffeine it still wont play my dvd :(
[09:59] <Tm_T> plop
[09:59] <narg> hrm
[09:59] <narg> There was no need to reinstall kaffiene btw ;P
[09:59] <narg> ok
[10:00] <narg> so you put dvd in, open kaffiene, then open dvd?
[10:00] <narg> Then what happens
[10:00] <Phantom^^> yeah and its has an erro 
[10:00] <Phantom^^> or jsut does nothing
[10:00] <narg> ElementalSilver: So you actually get a desktop, right, its just screwed up
[10:00] <narg> Phantom^^: What error? :p
[10:01] <ElementalSilver> Yeah, really screwed up. No GUI, just prompt.
[10:01] <narg> oh, so there is no GUI...
[10:01] <narg> just black with white text
[10:01] <narg> no?
[10:01] <ElementalSilver> But you can switch desktops using CTRL+ALT+Fkeys
[10:01] <narg> yea
[10:01] <ElementalSilver> Right
[10:01] <narg> ok...
[10:02] <narg> Do you have the computer turned on, or are you using windows on it atm?
[10:02] <ElementalSilver> Its on right now.
[10:02] <ElementalSilver> Just in the other room
[10:02] <narg> ok
[10:02] <narg> go to it, and type startx
[10:02] <Phantom^^> The source can't be read.
[10:02] <Phantom^^> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[10:02] <narg> it returns craploads of errors after a few seconds, right?
[10:02] <narg> Phantom^^: hrm
[10:02] <Phantom^^> is what it says narg
[10:03] <ElementalSilver> Yup, fatal errors
[10:03] <narg> Phantom^^: Open konsole, go to /media
[10:03] <ElementalSilver> Just a big splash of errors galore
[10:03] <narg> and do ls -l on whatever drive your dvd is
[10:03] <narg> ok, go up a bit
[10:03] <ElementalSilver> Hard to read them all.
[10:03] <narg> and does it say anything about no screens found, or core input error?
[10:03] <ElementalSilver> No screens found? Yep
[10:03] <narg> ok,
[10:04] <narg> :)
[10:04] <ElementalSilver> I hope thats a smile of "i can help" and not "you're screwed great"
[10:04] <ElementalSilver> Hehe
[10:04] <narg> ElementalSilver: heh
[10:04] <narg> ElementalSilver: Its a a-tleast-I-have-an-idea-what-the-problem-is smile
[10:04] <ElementalSilver> Ahhhhh
[10:05] <ElementalSilver> Well, let me go look see what else I can see on it
[10:05] <Phantom^^> narg i can't seem to download kplayer im going to try mplayer 
[10:05] <nikkia> right, thats me finished working for this lovely hot bank holiday :/
[10:05] <narg> ElementalSilver: You know what graphics card you have?
[10:06] <narg> Phantom^^: in konsole, try to mount the drive
[10:06] <narg> see if it lets you
[10:06] <nikkia> narg, if i had to make a guess, i'd guess S3 :P
[10:06] <narg> nikkia: For ElementalSilver's gpu?
[10:06] <Phantom^^> narg i think its aleady mounted theres an icon to it on my desktop
[10:06] <nikkia> narg, yeah, the S3 driver does that a lot :/
[10:07] <narg> nikkia: well, I know nothing about said driver, just general x stuff ;)
[10:07] <nikkia> narg, its so lousy, i have to use 'vesa' on my laptop
[10:07] <narg> You got any info how to fix nikkia?
[10:07] <narg> meh :/
[10:07] <narg> Phantom^^: peer
[10:07] <narg> Phantom^^: open it on konq, and are there files and stuff?
[10:07] <nikkia> narg, if it IS S3, and its a desktop, buy a new card...
[10:08] <Phantom^^> yea
[10:08] <nikkia> narg, if it IS S3 and its a laptop, suck it up and use vesa and accept that your performance will be terrible
[10:08] <Phantom^^> there are
[10:08] <narg> ok, so it IS mounted
[10:08] <ElementalSilver> "cannot read V_BIOS" "no valid modes found" "Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration"
[10:08] <narg> nikkia: its not even my box, its ElementalSilver's :p
[10:08] <nikkia> ElementalSilver: erm, sounds like its tryign to use vesa...
[10:08] <nikkia> narg, i know, you asked if i had any solutions...
[10:08] <narg> ah :p
[10:09] <nikkia> it sounds like the output of lspci is needed tho
[10:09] <narg> How's about you help ElementalSilver, nikkia, since you have the same card. Heh.
[10:09] <ElementalSilver> Heh =P
[10:09] <nikkia> narg, because it might not be the same card, it sounds like ES's card is trying to run vesa, but has no vesa bios
[10:10] <nikkia> narg, first step is trying to find out what the card IS, and that requires lspci and i'm too tired to walk someone thru that :)
[10:10] <narg> Phantom^^: yea, just try mplayer. :p
[10:10] <Phantom^^> hmm i have p4 2.6 do i want the 386 or 586 version of mplayer ?
[10:10] <jpatrick> ElementalSilver: Trillian sucks at IRC
[10:10] <ElementalSilver> Well, this might help: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?dlc=en&tool=softwareCategory&lc=en&product=92804&cc=us&docname=c00008588
[10:10] <ElementalSilver> Yes, yes it does.
[10:10] <narg> Phantom^^: 686 I'd assume, but if there is none of that, 386
[10:11] <ElementalSilver> Thats the specs on my computer, its mostly stock and I can remove the Cirrus Logic card I have in and use the motherboard card, which would be what it says on the specs.
[10:11] <Phantom^^> what is 586 for ?
[10:11] <narg> Phantom^^: Some form of x86 cpu, not sure which one. 383 is all though, and 686 is all > PIII I believe.
[10:11] <narg> 386*
[10:13] <ElementalSilver> You know, I've had so much trouble with my POS Presario that I'm about ready to junk it. I've tried several different distros and only one has worked so far. And that was an old copy of Debian I had -.-
[10:13] <ElementalSilver> But you know, its a nice computer, I like the case for being an older model.
[10:14] <Blissex> narg: 686 is all >= Pentium 2
[10:14] <narg> ElementalSilver: Why didnt you stick to debian if it worked?
[10:14] <narg> ah, I was close :p
[10:14] <Blissex> Phantom^^: 586 is >= Pentium
[10:14] <Phantom^^> ok
[10:14] <Blissex> narg: 686 is all >= Pentium Pro (more precisely than Pentium 2)
[10:14] <ElementalSilver> Because it was a really old copy and I don't have network access in the room it's in.
[10:15] <ElementalSilver> So I couldn't update anything
[10:15] <ElementalSilver> Besides, I'm trying to learn Linux.
[10:15] <narg> ah, I see
[10:15] <narg> :)
[10:15] <ElementalSilver> I almost had Gentoo installed on it once... But I lost the will after I restarted and all I got was a prompt
[10:15] <ElementalSilver> =P
[10:16] <narg> heh
[10:16] <setite> hey i added hoary-extras and i cant find libdvdcss2
[10:16] <narg> installing gentoo is just a pain in the arse imo :p
[10:16] <ElementalSilver> It took three days solid of running back and forth across my house reading that god forbidden 70+ page manual
[10:16] <ElementalSilver> Only for me to find out I installed the wrong chipset files
[10:16] <ElementalSilver> So I had to start AGAIN
[10:16] <ElementalSilver> Which went faster
[10:17] <ElementalSilver> But still took 3 days to complete
[10:17] <dargo> Somebody that it has installed nicotine, would know to say to me that it happens here>>http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/349424
[10:17] <ElementalSilver> And Narg, I'd wholeheartedly agree.
[10:17] <ElementalSilver> The only people that'd install Gentoo are people looking to inflict physical pain on themselves.
[10:17] <narg> Phantom^^: Is the dvd your trying to play encrypted?
[10:17] <narg> heh
[10:18] <narg> encrypted/drmed/etc
[10:18] <ElementalSilver> So, any suggestions of what I can do? ^.^
[10:19] <ElementalSilver> Other than take a revolver to it, that is.
[10:19] <narg> Seems Nikkia might know, I really dont know much about non nvidia or intel graphics cards' problems.
[10:20] <ElementalSilver> Do you think changing the video card and reinstalling would fix the problem?
[10:20] <narg> Most likely.
[10:21] <narg> Autodetection on kubuntu is pretty good
[10:21] <ElementalSilver> Well, I'll look at that as a last resort then.
[10:21] <Phantom^^> sigh now mplayer wont work what was the other program you suggested narg ?
[10:21] <narg> If you do, get a nvidia card if you want pretty stuff and easy drivers :)
[10:21] <setite> can anyone tell me why i cant find libdvdcss2
[10:21] <setite> isnt it on hoary-extras
[10:21] <ElementalSilver> *snicker* Well, I'm trying to do this all on a budget... as in no cash and only from spare parts budget.
[10:22] <ElementalSilver> I'll go see what cards I have.
[10:22] <narg> Phantom^^: Try installing libdvdread3 ogle libdvdcss2
[10:22] <narg> Those might help
[10:22] <narg> ElementalSilver: nods.
[10:22] <setite> narg: where do i get that... because i cant find it on the repo
[10:22] <narg> setite: You got backports and multiverse enabled?
[10:22] <setite> narg: i recall on my other pc adding hoary-extras and voila... downloading it...
[10:23] <setite> narg: yes... thats what is confusing me... i added both of them... it updated the list... then i searched... nothing
[10:23] <narg> join #setite for a sec
[10:23] <ElementalSilver> I have another Cirrus Logic card and an "S3 ViRGE/GX"
[10:25] <narg> google for compatibility
[10:25] <narg> :)
[10:26] <Phantom^^> how do i get the latest version of kaffeine ?
[10:27] <narg> you should have it
[10:27] <Phantom^^> 0.6 ?
[10:27] <narg> since kubuntu is up to date with kde
[10:27] <douglas> is there any way I can add a certain file but not the whole warty repository to my sources.list instead of just changing hoary to warty?
[10:27] <narg> douglas: Why do you want old packages?
[10:28] <douglas> I meant breezy
[10:28] <setite> narg: its still not there... i used your list
[10:28] <ElementalSilver> I think it is compatible.
[10:28] <douglas> I want to upgrade my nvidia driver but nothing else!
[10:28] <narg> setite: peer
[10:28] <narg> apt-cache search libdvd
[10:29] <narg> and see if it shows up
[10:29] <narg> douglas: Upgrade? Warty is older than hoary. Do you mean adding a hoary to a warty distro?
[10:30] <douglas> no, I have hoary as my main respository now. I know that the new nvidia driver is in breezy, and I just want that but nothing else.
[10:30] <narg> anyway, if you just want one package, you can download just the .deb of it online, and dpkg -i the deb.
[10:30] <narg> oh, I see.
[10:30] <narg> Isnt that driver surposed to be unstable? :p
[10:30] <ElementalSilver> s3virge, yup. It's compatible. Woohoo. So, I'll have to swap it out and reinstall or is there a way to do it without a reinstall?
[10:30] <douglas> really?
[10:31] <douglas> It's supposed to have more features with it, like a good overclocking util.
[10:31] <douglas> Not that I want to do that, but I'm running cs:source with cedega and I want to see if I get an increase in performance!
[10:31] <narg> well, you can get just the .deb online
[10:31] <narg> If you want a OC util, there is one already
[10:32] <narg> nvclock-qt
[10:32] <narg> ;)
[10:32] <setite> narg: something is uber wrong btw... i cant turn dma on either
[10:32] <setite> even with sudo
[10:32] <douglas> hrm, where can I get the deb file though, I can't seem to locate it.
[10:33] <narg> dma?
[10:33] <narg> douglas: I'll look in a sec
[10:33] <douglas> Thanks
[10:34] <setite> yea dma
[10:35] <setite> so that the cds and dvds read fast enough
[10:35] <narg> not sure what dma is personally :(
[10:35] <narg> what error msg?
[10:36] <narg> douglas: ftp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/n
[10:36] <narg> should be somewhere in there
[10:36] <narg> err
[10:36] <narg> wait
[10:36] <narg> thats not breezy ;p
[10:37] <narg> hrm, or memby it is
[10:37] <narg> anyway
[10:38] <douglas> hurray.
[10:41] <ElementalSilver> Well, I have good news and bad news =P
[10:41] <jpatrick> what's the bad news?
[10:41] <narg> sup
[10:42] <ElementalSilver> I'm getting the same error messages even with the new video card
[10:42] <ElementalSilver> The good news is that I can read them now.
[10:42] <nikkia> ElementalSilver: you'll need to change the video driver being used
[10:42] <nikkia> ElementalSilver: which is reasonably easy
[10:42] <ElementalSilver> How do I do that?
[10:43] <narg> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:43] <ElementalSilver> I'm using the S3 chipset card I mentioned earlier.
[10:43] <ElementalSilver> Alright.
[10:43] <nikkia> as root, so 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:43] <nikkia> the driver you want is 's3virge' most likely
[10:43] <Phantom^^> narg mplayer does not work either
[10:44] <nikkia> but the 's3' driver may work too
[10:44] <narg> did you install those packages?
[10:44] <Phantom^^> yeah all 3
[10:44] <narg> try kaffiene again :'
[10:44] <narg> ;P*
[10:45] <narg> does the dvd have copy protection, or is it virgin?
[10:45] <phazeman> hi all
[10:45] <phazeman> first time install
[10:45] <Phantom^^> its rental movie 
[10:45] <phazeman> how do i find a name of a package ?
[10:45] <phazeman> i need to install sshd but can't find the name of the package
[10:46] <narg> phazeman: synaptic?
[10:46] <phazeman> narg thanks
[10:46] <narg> Phantom^^: Hrm.
[10:46] <phazeman> narg: i'm used to mandrake with it;s urpmi so a completely debian/ubuntu newb here
[10:46] <narg> :)
[10:46] <narg> GUI tool can show descs. If you just want a name and you have a general idea
[10:46] <narg> apt-cache search <blah>
[10:46] <narg> and apt-get install to install it
[10:46] <phazeman> thanks... didnt know about apt-cache at all :)
[10:47] <narg> nps :)
[10:47] <ElementalSilver> Its... ALIVE =P
[10:47] <phazeman> this kubuntu thing looks very nice and works very smooth... some things i would redo though...
[10:47] <phazeman> but it's only my mandrake point of view :)
[10:48] <narg> heh
[10:48] <narg> what would you redo?
[10:48] <narg> ElementalSilver:  :)
[10:48] <phazeman> narg: the menu thig...
[10:48] <Phantom^^> narg
[10:48] <phazeman> thing*
[10:48] <ElementalSilver> I'm getting an actual GUI now, let me go see how bad anything else is messed up.
[10:48] <Phantom^^> i have installed all those things 
[10:48] <narg> phazeman: System menu?
[10:48] <narg> Phantom^^: Hrm
[10:48] <Phantom^^> but kaffeine says there is no plugin to handle /dvd
[10:48] <narg> gah
[10:48] <phazeman> narg: all of it... it doesn't have sub sections in it and it makes the work kinda harder.... also, when you install some not kde packages i can't see them appear in the menu...
[10:49] <narg> phantom: Open synaptic or kynaptic, and install most libs that look like they have to do with dvds :p The shotgun aproach works in a last ditch alot of times.
[10:49] <phazeman> narg: another stupid question.. when i have an apt-get process running i can't run another one parallely right ? (like urpmi) 
[10:50] <narg> phazeman: Ah yea, Im not a fan of that either. I redo the kde menu alot of times :p
[10:50] <narg> yea
[10:50] <Phantom^^> narg it seems kaffeine was set to play region 1
[10:50] <narg> it locks the package database
[10:50] <Phantom^^> i changed it to region 2
[10:50] <phazeman> thanks
[10:50] <narg> Phantom^^: ooh
[10:50] <narg> phazeman: You can still use apt-cache though
[10:50] <narg> using synaptic/kynaptic/apt-get lock eachother out
[10:50] <phazeman> yeah.. figured that out
[10:50] <narg> but apt-cache is a totally diffrent tool.
[10:51] <narg> *nod*
[10:51] <phazeman> narg: so when i install mozilla-firefox i have to add it manually to the menu ?
[10:51] <narg> phazeman: Nah, it should add itself.
[10:51] <narg> it it doesnt, thats a bug.
[10:51] <phazeman> it didnt.....
[10:51] <narg> thats a bug then :p
[10:51] <phazeman> oh it did !
[10:51] <phazeman> i missed it
[10:51] <phazeman> stupid me
[10:51] <phazeman> lol thanks :)
[10:51] <narg> heh
[10:52] <phazeman> i like it so far (the kubuntu)
[10:52] <Phantom^^> xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd:/] 
[10:52] <Phantom^^> xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:/] 
[10:52] <Phantom^^> xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[10:52] <phazeman> narg: i was using mandrake since it came out....was an op on #mandrake here... left half a year ago since i've had to move back to windows....
[10:52] <phazeman> it's ##madriva now
[10:53] <narg> nod
[10:53] <phazeman> playing with ubuntu now :)
[10:53] <narg> heh
[10:53] <phazeman> i think you were in #mandrake too no /
[10:53] <phazeman> ?
[10:53] <narg> I havnt been in #mandrake since Iwas going to install linux a year or so ago.
[10:53] <narg> heh
[10:53] <phazeman> aaaa
[10:53] <phazeman> your nick name was familiar
[10:53] <narg> I was split between debian and mandrake
[10:53] <phazeman> don't know why
[10:53] <narg> and I went debian
[10:53] <phazeman> ahhh
[10:53] <narg> nod
[10:53] <phazeman> yes i remember now :)
[10:54] <narg> *shrug* I've been around freenode
[10:54] <phazeman> i was an op then and i think we've speak once or twice there :)_
[10:54] <phazeman> now i'm the dumb and you are helping me :)
[10:54] <narg> *snicker*
[10:54] <phazeman> hehe
[10:55] <narg> I'd hardly call you in the same position as me. Linux knowledge is generally portable..
[10:55] <phazeman> well.... kinda :)
[10:55] <phazeman> but still there are too many new things for me
[10:55] <phazeman> debian IS different from mandrake
[10:55] <narg> That I will not deny
[10:55] <phazeman> no matter what you say
[10:55] <phazeman> yeah
[10:55] <phazeman> so i have to learn stuff again
[10:56] <phazeman> thats why i like linux :) learn all the time something new
[10:56] <narg> ja
[10:56] <narg> There always something to do/learn in linux
[10:56] <narg> keep me busy ;)
[10:56] <narg> keeps*
[10:56] <phazeman> hehe yeah
[10:57] <phazeman> tell me something... right now i'm running apt-get upgrade and it download and install stuff from updates.. does the updates tree incluides the new kde packages for ubuntu ?
[10:57] <ElementalSilver> Sound driver error and one unexpected closure, other than that, its running as good as a POS computer could run =P
[10:58] <narg> phazeman: hoary defaults to 3.4kde, but you can make it do 3.4.2
[10:58] <narg> ElementalSilver: nice :)
[10:58] <ElementalSilver> Thanks for the help, Narg and Miss Nikkia. You've both been an extreme help.
[10:58] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change the movie player konversation uses to play movie links?
[10:59] <ElementalSilver> Now to go configure to my heart's contempt.
[10:59] <ElementalSilver> I'll return tonight if I blow something up ^_^
[10:59] <phazeman> narg: any howto about uprading ?
[11:00] <skalpel> how do i close all query windows in lonversation?
[11:00] <skalpel> konversation
[11:00] <narg> phazeman: Oh :P
[11:00] <narg> phazeman: yea, 1 sec.
[11:01] <humbe> phazerman: add to your sources.list this line
[11:01] <narg> phazeman: join #phazeman
[11:01] <humbe> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[11:01] <humbe> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[11:02] <skalpel> what do i do if my music player suddenly stops playing music after io try to load a movie?
[11:03] <_mike> thanks alot narg, i got it working perfectly
[11:03] <narg> _mike ;)
[11:16] <Phantom^^> lol 
[11:16] <Phantom^^> stupid dvd's
[11:22] <narg> gah, anyone gotten webmin working?
[11:32] <nikkia> narg, whoever packaged webmin made a mistake, it sadly needs a root password to be active on the system during installation
[11:33] <nikkia> nag, you'll have to uninstall it, then purge the config with dpkg --purge, then create a root password with sudo passwd, then reinstall, then (optionally, but its recommended) remove the root password again
[11:33] <nikkia> narg, even
[11:41] <narg> ah
[11:41] <narg> Hrm, what was the bash dot file that ran commands at login again?
[11:44] <NigeyUK> .bashrc ?
[11:45] <apokryphos> narg: also can put things in .kde/Autostart
[11:48] <riddlebox> hello, can I do an install from the livecd?
[11:48] <nikkia> no
[11:48] <nikkia> install cd or live/install dvd only
[11:49] <riddlebox> that sucks but ohh well I guess I will have to download the install disc then
[12:01] <_StarScream> how do i alter the clockspeed of my laptop ?
[12:02] <_StarScream> its running at 400mhz atm
[12:02] <_StarScream> but it can go to 800mhz