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Keybuk(_-</ -_) '_ \ |/ // _ \_|12:12
Keybuk/__/\___|_.__/_/___\___(_)12:12
KeybukMETACITY KEEPS CRASHING12:12
Lathiathttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1414512:13
Lathiatalso12:13
Lathiati doubt ghe has figlet on notify :)12:13
slomoKeybuk: same here... but nothing to get crazy about :P12:13
Keybukno, but it makes me feel better12:13
crispinyeah, I see that too, I don't understand why a rebuild fixes (mostly?) though12:13
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lllmanulllKeybuk, Hey, seb128 is on holiday for a few days :)12:14
KeybukI know12:14
gratuitI'm using breezy, and I'm noticing sevral bugs, how should I go about reporting them?12:14
lllmanulllKeybuk, should come back some time wednesday12:15
lllmanulllKeybuk, oh, all right :)12:15
Keybuklike I said, it just makes me feel better <g>12:15
KeybukI'm on holiday too12:15
lllmanulllKeybuk, But never far away from keyboard :)12:15
lllmanulllgratuit, use https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  but make sure that what you are going to report aren't know bugs12:17
JanCgratuit: bugzilla for things in main/restricted, malon for things in universe/multiverse12:17
JanCs/malon/malone/12:17
gratuitlllmanulll: yeah I just found it, I'm looking at the bug I was going to report now12:17
lllmanulllgratuit, Good, if you have anything else to add, you can post a comment12:18
lllmanulllgratuit, Otherwise, just be patient and it will hopefully get fixed12:18
JanChm, how does a metacity crash look like ?  :)12:19
HiddenWolfif seb128 is on a holiday for a few days, can someone else check out why the hell rhythmbox won't start?12:19
HiddenWolfit crashes without error almost immediatly.12:19
gratuitJanC: what is malone?12:19
JanChttps://launchpad.net/malone12:20
HiddenWolfgratuit, bugzilla but better. under development and used for universe/multiverse bugs already.12:20
KeybukJanC: all your windows lose decoration, gain them again, and jump down and across slightly12:25
mpt_I'm installing Colony 3 right now and noticing lots of places where the text could be better. Is this worth bothering with at this point of the development, or is Breezy+1 much more likely to have a graphical installer?12:25
jdubmpt_: breezy+1 may have the livecd based installer12:26
jdubmpt_: worth noting down improvements though, but not sure if they'll get in (translations to worry about)12:26
mpt_yeah12:27
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mpt_ah, Breezy doesn't restart this laptop either12:27
mjg59mpt_: It fails in both Breezy and Hoary?12:28
mpt_yes12:28
mpt_but then, this is only second-stage installation, is that too early to tell?12:29
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mjg59mpt_: What hardware is it?12:29
mpt_mjg59: Toshiba Satellite, circa 2001 vintage12:29
mjg59Ah, right12:29
mpt_I'm sorry I never reported a bug earlier, no excuse really12:30
mpt_The most aggravating problem, though, is that the installer asked for my WEP key when this wireless network uses WPA12:31
mjg59We have no sensible WPA support yet12:31
mjg59No...12:32
mjg59Argh. Wrong window.12:32
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mjg59You can set it up manually in an awkward way12:33
mjg59But driver support is poor and the userspace tools are miserable12:33
mpt_UbzSpec!12:34
mpt_thanks for the info mjg5912:36
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jdubmpt: NM may get wpa support in breezy+1 timeframe.01:03
jordijdub: J! D! U! B!01:03
jordiany news? :)01:03
jdubi kinda wanted to catch up with seb, carlos and koke01:03
jordihow's NM for Debian/Ubuntu coming along? Is it usable?01:03
jdubj^'s packages are pretty rad01:04
jdubhopefully we'll get them into universe for breezy01:04
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Lathiatif im using network manager01:05
Lathiatshould i take the hotplug mapping out of interface01:05
jdubdunno01:05
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Maynothhey can you guys help a noob01:43
Maynothwhy is there no control panel applet to install/unistall programs?01:43
Maynothwhy is there no control panel applet to install new drivers01:43
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HrdwrBoBMaynoth: because any drivers that are easy to install are already installed01:44
HrdwrBoBand that's not the way it works01:44
HrdwrBoBto install/uninstall programs/etc use the synaptic package manager01:45
HrdwrBoBunder system->administration01:45
Maynothdo you guys think it will ever have a nice gui applet to install/unistall drivers and software01:45
MaynothI really think more people would switch if that was an option01:47
HrdwrBoBMaynoth: there is a nice app installer01:47
HrdwrBoBand it's the default in breezy01:47
HrdwrBoBdrivers are an entirely different kettle of fish01:48
Maynothso the next version is going to have a better installer?01:48
Maynothwill it have options to unistall programs too?01:48
HrdwrBoBgnome-app-install01:48
HrdwrBoBit's in hoary too01:48
HrdwrBoBcheck it out01:48
HrdwrBoBanyway, this is the wrong channel for that, it's still #ubuntu stuff01:49
Maynoththey told me to get out01:51
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Maynoth:(01:51
Maynothwhat new features is breezy going to have?01:52
HrdwrBoBMaynoth: have a look at the wiki, again, this is not talk for here01:52
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mjg59Ok, I've found the usplash problem01:55
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jdubthere was a problem?01:55
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mjg59jdub: It breaks hibernate at the moment02:13
mjg59For a really subtle reason02:13
mjg59Of course, my current fix is a kernel patch...02:14
jdubd'oh02:17
luis_mjg59: man without fear.02:17
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mjg59I remove one line02:28
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mjg59I merely charge you $500 for knowing which one line to remove02:28
luis_man.02:28
mjg59Why must ftp.ubuntu.com be down? Why must Unix be so mean?02:28
luis_consulting truly is the way to go.02:29
mjg59luis_: Once I'm through this PhD, it's sorely tempting02:29
mptSo, that's what Breezy looks like02:29
mpt... like Hoary02:29
mjg59mpt: Pretty much02:29
mptWhat happened to those awesome new icons?02:29
mjg59Artwork isn't finished yet02:29
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mptSo gksudo alerts dim the rest of the screen now02:30
tsengits a non-event02:30
mptthat's a bit ... strange02:30
mjg59mpt: Nobody has ever offered me money to draw stuff.02:31
mjg59Usplash's current state represents that quite well :)02:31
mpthey, radio buttons are black now02:31
mptthat's a change02:31
danielsmpt: if you accept that gksudo's going to grab your keyboard, it seems a little unintuitive to show the rest of the screen as if you can nusefully interact with it02:31
mjg59Oh, hmm.02:32
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mjg59Of course, this is running ndiswrapper and similar crack02:32
mptdaniels: If anything, I'd expect that to make the controls in every other window look insensitive, or at least (as an approximation) reduce their contrast02:32
mptrather than making them darker02:33
danielsmpt: so ... every window still looks like it's activatable, but even if you do activate them, everything will be insensitive02:33
mptIncluding the title bars, daniels :-)02:33
danielsmpt: gksudo is, right now, display-modal02:33
mptOther major operating systems have display-modal dialogs, and (with the exception of the Shut Down dialog in Windows) they don't make the screen darker02:34
mjg59mpt: It's consistent with, say, the typing break lock02:34
sladenmjg59: are you using the Libretto at the moment with ndiswrapper?02:35
mjg59sladen: Nope02:35
mjg59sladen: I'm testing on an HP that has a keyboard big enough for me to type on02:35
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mptok, enough whining on my part, perhaps I can do something useful02:35
danielsmust ... resist ... joke ...02:36
mptmjg59: Is there a convenient wiki page or mailing list post describing the exact requirements for the usplash pictographic love?02:36
mjg59mpt: jdub has a spec that he's supposed to have passed on02:36
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jdubmjg59: the bug described it02:38
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jdubmjg59: i just told cliff what to do02:38
mjg59jdub: Rock02:38
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mjg59Incidentally, Breezy seems *much* better at suspend to disk02:39
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bob2and faster?02:41
mptjdub: Does that mean it's being done already?02:42
jdubyeah02:42
mjg59Faster, yup02:43
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jdubmjg59: actually, ready for an image to play with? :)03:13
jdubmjg59: i just tested that image, it looks horrendous03:21
jdubmjg59: i think there's something funny going on with the xpm conversion03:22
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tgallhey ya jdub04:13
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danielsholy shit suse are nuts04:39
danielsthey appear to have backported exa and pretty much the entirety of all the drivers04:39
bob2haha04:39
tgallheh04:39
danielswhy they don't package 6.8.99.x rather than patch 6.8.2 to buggery is beyond me04:39
lu|awaybecause they have a version freeze04:39
danielsjdub: please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/pc_pcibus.diff and apply, see if that helps04:39
lu|awaythey have this bizarre notion of version freeze04:39
bob2haha04:40
danielsthat's complete bullshit04:40
danielsthey've backported r300 DRI04:40
lu|awaywhere they can backport basically the whole damn thing of the next version, as long as the original tarball stays the same04:40
danielsand i915 DRI04:40
bob2"backport whatever, just don't BUMP THE VERSION"04:40
lu|awaybob2: yup04:40
danielsif you're not going to respect version freeze, then don't respect version freeze04:40
danielshmm04:40
danielshowever, they still only have 225,000 lines of patches04:40
danielswe were up to about 280 at one point04:40
tgallwell some people have weird ideas of "fun"04:41
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lu|away280_K_ lines of patches?04:41
danielshold on04:41
danielsi swear the original tarball must have changed04:42
danielsthey're patching exaPriv.h, which was most certainly *not* in 6.8.204:42
danielslu|away: yeah04:42
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danielsoh, cute04:44
danielsthey have an arseton of new files04:44
danielsin .tar.bz204:44
danielsADDING ORIGINAL TARBALLS == NOT FROZEN04:45
bob2maybe they have their own rpm dbs04:46
bob2that'd rock04:46
caldwell_any idea why i get this error when i build Xorg?  make[3] : *** No rule to make target `../../extras/rman/rman.c', needed by `rman.c'.  Stop.04:50
caldwell_or how to fix it?04:50
danielscaldwell_: ... try #xorg, maybe?04:53
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wasabi_Wow. This SATA DVD-drive I have simply doesn't appear in Ubuntu.05:24
Lathiatyeh sata cdroms are rather uneventful05:25
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wasabi_Not sure how to make it show up.05:30
fabbionemorning05:38
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pittiGood morning06:54
danielsmorning pitti06:54
fabbionehey pitti06:55
pittiHi Daniel, hi Fabio06:55
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pittihehe, SuSE wants to use pmount :-)07:00
Lathiatbut submount is so cool07:00
pittiI used it the other day, right, it's nice07:01
pittibut needs to be configured for devices07:01
pittiso I guess SuSE is doing automatic conf file rewriting07:01
Lathiateh i was joking anyway07:01
Lathiatpitti: heh07:01
Lathiatpitti: using their standard configuration & management system07:02
pittibut they autotool'ized my pmount and want me to adopt it *sigh*07:02
Lathiatno doubt :)07:02
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jdubpitti: hrm, so, can you check out avahi sometime when you have a moment?07:09
jdubpitti: for security and sanity - let Lathiat know what you think? :)07:09
pittijdub: avahi?07:10
Lathiatpitti: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi07:10
pittioh, howl take 2?07:10
rob^elmo, ping07:10
Lathiatpitti: you could say that07:10
Lathiatpitti: nothing to do with howl other than sharing the same spec, however07:11
pittijdub, Lathiat: but none of this is breezy stuff, I presume?07:11
Lathiatnot for main07:11
pittijdub: are you the right person for #13328?07:13
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rob^is dbus working in breezy today?07:29
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Burgundaviajdub, what is the saga with add/remove programs. Is it now not going to be a the root of Applciations?07:36
rob^I mentioned it in the FAQ Guide for Breezy, but due to the fact it can't install a lot of things I used Synaptic when writing it07:42
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sivangmorning all08:09
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rob^In Breezy I went to System -> Administration -> Networking, changed my hostname, rebooted, my window borders are all screwed up (they are all green). b.u.c?08:10
siretartmorning08:15
siretartbob2: around?08:15
siretartbob2: can you at least tell me the md5sum of the orig.tar.gz you will be using for lyx? I'd upload then a -0ubuntu1 version, which can be synced over by your package...08:16
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rob^grr08:18
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dholbachgood morning08:44
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pittiHi dholbach 08:58
dholbachhey pitti :)08:58
pittiargh, can someone please stop these /msg spam?08:59
Treenakspitti: /mode +E08:59
Treenaksuh08:59
Treenaks /umode +E08:59
pittithat means?08:59
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pittithanks09:00
dholbachpitti: according to GermanTeam you seem to have new ubuntu fans in dresden :)09:00
Treenakspitti: usermode +E means only identified users can msg or something09:00
pittidholbach: some folks from LinuxInfoTag already asked me for coming09:00
dholbachoh cool09:01
Treenakspitti: read lilo's cruft in the message window09:01
pittidholbach: unfortunately I will be at UBZ at that time09:01
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pittiThanks Treenaks 09:01
dholbachpitti: next time then :)09:02
dhonn2.6.13 is out.  will ubuntu 5.10 ship it?09:03
pittidhonn: no09:03
pittidhonn: the kernel will only receive stabilization and security fixes09:04
pvanhoofOn my breezy, /dev/hdc (cdrom/dvd) device isn't readable for the desktop users09:05
pvanhoofhow can I fix this? (workaround, a better one than doing chmod 777 /dev/hdc)09:05
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dholbachgood morning mvo09:06
dhonn5.10 is going to ship gnome 2.12, is that even stable?09:07
dholbachpvanhoof: add them to group "cdrom"?09:07
Treenaksdhonn: yes09:07
pittidhonn: that's a particular exception we do; it will be stable at the time we ship preview09:09
doko_good morning09:12
dholbachdoko: good morning!09:12
dholbachdoko: is your cold any better?09:12
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mvohey dholbach, morning all09:12
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dokoyep, the drugs did help lowering the temperature09:13
dholbachsuper09:13
sivangmorning dholbach 09:14
pittidaniels: do you plan to upload a new dbus shortly?09:14
dholbachhi sivan :)09:14
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Treenakssivang: are you coming to BelowZero?09:15
pittidaniels: (for #14178)09:16
pittidaniels: if you don't have pending changes, I can do it myself09:16
danielspitti: if it's not crucial to fix (i.e. you can wait about 18h), wait for me to upload 0.36.109:17
danielspitti: i got uvf-exception approval from mdz09:18
pittidaniels: oh, ok09:18
pittidaniels: that's fine; I reassign the bug to you then?09:18
danielspitti: sure09:18
mvoelmo: please sync scite from debian09:20
pittielmo: simpleproxy sync, please09:22
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zygamvo: hello09:24
mvozyga: hi09:25
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pittiinfinity: btw, ok to upload the new pkgstripgranslations?09:44
infinitypitti : Oh, yes, the changes have been rolled out on the buildds for a while, let 'er rip.09:47
infinitypitti L They should just magically switch over to using the new format when it shows up.09:48
infinitypitti : In theory.09:48
infinitypitti : We'll see. :)09:48
pittiok, thanks :-)09:48
pittiinfinity: btw, rather than taking the biggest one, the more scientific method would be to take the union of all09:49
pittiinfinity: so, in theory, if there are per-arch domains, we get them all09:49
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pitti(that would be incredibly crackful, though, and probably never happens anyway)09:49
infinityWell, what we're doing right now is just taking all of them. :)09:50
infinityWhere to go from here is up to you guys.09:50
pittiinfinity: I mean for import into langpack-o-matic and Rosetta; so far I only took one random arch09:50
infinity(In fact, you and the rosetta guys should probably look at the lamont's scripts and move those to a more service-centric location, doing what you want them to do)09:51
infinityThere's more than enough things running out of ~lamont on various machines that don't have to be. :)09:51
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pittiinfinity: well, in fact we could move it to /srv/langpacks... on rosetta and the import could just download the tarballs from *.buildd directly09:53
pittiinfinity: then I could export the merged tarballs over http for rosetta import09:54
pittiinfinity: so you didn't change lamont's scripts? (i. e. you didn't need to?)09:54
infinitypitti : AFAICT, I don't need to.  We'll see if I'm terribly wrong about that in a little while.09:58
infinity(If I am, it's no big deal, since we don't lose any data, as the originals all sit on the buildds, not rookery)09:58
infinitypitti : But yes, if you want to import directly from the buildds, I have no issues with that.  The middle-man appears to only exist for the sake of turning 4 langpakcs into 1, which we seem to no longer want (or, at least, we don't want it without first comparing them)09:59
pittiinfinity: right, so we could get rid of ~lamont and that superfluous copy step in one shot10:00
infinitypitti : Adding some more smarts to the import process is The Right Direction to go anyway, since if we add uploading of langpacks to DAK, it's not going to do the sorting for you, it's going to need one per arch (as we have now)10:00
pittiEPARSE10:01
pittiwell, more like, I didn't understand that10:01
infinityWe don't want to make katie do the 4->1 langpack thing.  We just want katie to accept the files and give them to you.10:01
pittiinfinity: ah, that one, right10:01
infinitySo you need the 4 unique filenames, and you need to have your own import intelligence to deal with them.10:01
pittiyes, makes sense10:01
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dholbachhellas infinity10:04
infinitydholbach : Yo.10:08
dholbach:)10:08
infinitydholbach : Do have any overwhelming urge to smack the Debian XFCE maintainers around for doing something really dumb?10:10
dholbachinfinity: jani and crimsun are our MOTUs taking care of xfce10:11
infinitydholbach : xfce4-mcs-manager-dev depends on libxfce4mcs-dev (>= ${Source-Version}), but they're not built from the same source.  So, stuff breaks horribly if they aren't always uploaded together, even if you're only fixing a bug in one.10:11
dholbachinfinity: i'll write them a mail10:11
infinitydholbach : Forward this to them, then. :)10:11
dholbachwill do10:11
infinitydholbach : It's a simple hack to add something that detects "Upstream-Version" in debian/rules, then fills that in for .substvars, which is probably what the Debian guys wanted.10:12
infinitydholbach : Cause having the exact debian revisions tightly bound like that is just... Wrong.10:12
infinity</rant>10:12
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siretartinfinity: same issue to moagg and moagg-date, btw10:13
pittiHi sjoerd 10:13
siretarts/date/data/10:13
sjoerdpitti: mornig10:13
infinitysiretart : Please fix it and file a bug with Debian with a patch.  Pretty please.  Having packages split like that when they all have to be updated together ANYWAY is so obviously pointless.10:14
infinitysiretart : dpkg-parsechangelog -> echo "Upstream-Version=<whatever>" foo.substvars -> use "Upstream-Version" in debian/control instead of Source-Version.10:14
infinitysiretart : Fairly simple to hack up correctly.10:15
danielsinfinity: errr10:15
danielsinfinity: just pass -VUpstream-Version=$(UPSTREAM_VERSION) to dh_gencontrol10:15
infinitydaniels : I skipped some steps, I assume siretart's smart enough to get there.10:15
infinitydaniels : <shrug>... Either one works.10:15
siretartinfinity: I'm currently at work, so I cannot doi it right now. Will put it on my list. 10:15
siretartinfinity: I'm honoured :)10:15
infinitydaniels : Same end effect.10:16
sjoerdpitti: do you know why dbus-sessionbus-checkuid.patch was dropped from the ubuntu dbus package, couldn't find that in the changelog..10:16
pittisjoerd: no idea, please ask daniels10:16
sjoerddaniels: ? :)10:16
danielssjoerd: hullo :)10:16
pittisjoerd: AFAIR that was backported from stable10:16
danielssjoerd: i guess you mean the gid-hecking stuff?10:16
danielssjoerd: if it was gid-checking, the entire codepath got dropped upstream10:17
sjoerdit's the patch that prevents other users to connect to your session bus10:17
sjoerdadded in 0.34-1ubuntu410:17
sjoerddaniels: it still applies in 0.36.1 so, i doubt that codepath was dropped10:18
dholbachinfinity: there's even a motuxfce team in malone :)10:19
dholbachinfinity: but i wrote the mail alread10:19
mvoping jdub 10:19
infinitydholbach : Fancy, thanks.10:19
infinitydholbach : Just ran accross that while clearing up cairo/glitz issues and it irked me. :)10:19
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danielssjoerd: oh.  the checkuid thing was fixed upstream already.  unless something's gone horribly wrong.10:19
dholbachinfinity: you ROCK! :)10:19
sjoerddaniels: maybe it was fixed in some other way then.. because the patch still applied cleanly10:20
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danielssjoerd: thanks, good catch.  i'll check into it now.10:21
danielssjoerd: btw, I'm doing 0.36.1 packages.  time to move 0.3x to sid?10:21
sjoerddaniels: haha, no way10:21
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sjoerddaniels: oh, did you see my 0.36.1 package for debian :)10:21
sjoerddaniels: we're gonna move to 0.3x at the same time with gnome 2.12 probably..10:21
danielsoh *dear*.10:22
danielsoh dear, oh dear, oh dear.10:22
danielsjoey only applied the patch to 0.2x's branch.10:23
sjoerdwoops10:23
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danielssjoerd: are your .36.1 packages in experimental?10:23
sjoerddaniels: yes10:23
sjoerdwell incoming atm maybe10:24
sjoerdgot the mail that it came out of new this morning, so probably still incoming10:24
sjoerdthe debian dir is also in pkg-utopia svn btw10:24
infinityYupm there it is in ACCEPTED.10:25
pittiHi carlos 10:25
carlospitti, hi10:25
danielssjoerd: i've hit upstream about it, too.  thanks a lot for the catch.10:27
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pittisjoerd: did you use lsb init scripts in experimental?10:28
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sjoerdpitti: yup10:28
pittidaniels: ok, then it almost seems that we can just sync from experimental?10:29
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sjoerdgotta go, class in 15 min.. later 10:31
danielsoh, okay10:33
danielspitti: i'll look at the interdiff, but it's tomorrow10:33
danielspitti: i need to have an xorg upload done today10:33
pittidaniels: sure, no hurry; just a general question :-) thansk10:33
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danielspitti: cool10:40
danielssjoerd: later on -- thanks10:40
dholbachelmo: could you please sync gaim-irchelper and glademm from sid and remove glademm from the blacklist - seems upstream works on it again and users want it10:42
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pittiHi jdthood 11:01
jdthoodhoi11:01
zygahow do I correctly describe launchpad bug?11:03
zygathe 'system error' page is quite lacking on details11:04
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mdkezyga, just tell them what you do and what happens, they can look in the logs11:06
zygamdke: ok, I did that11:07
mdkezyga, you can also see if anyone is around to help in #launchpad11:07
zygagood idea, thanks11:07
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dholbachsee you all later again *wave*11:31
siretartcu dholbach 11:41
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spaynei think there is an issue with hotplug/modprobe and ndiswrapper11:48
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spayneit looks as if it isn't loaded the ndiswrapper.ko module on boot11:48
spayneso the startup locks upon "Loading Modules..."11:48
sivangjdub: so, already knows how to crete the boot images , all lfet is just to put this into CONF.sh of our debian cd11:50
sivangjdub: (tgall knows, that is)11:50
Treenaksspayne: Please file a bug, instead of complaining here11:51
azeemhttp://www.murrayc.com/blog/tech/2005-08-29-11-3011:52
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danielsargh11:54
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danielswhen do we get an oo.o2-amd64 update?11:54
Treenaksazeem: he's right11:54
danielsubuntu-desktop is uninstallable on amd64 atm11:54
spayneTreenaks: i did two weeks ago and nothing has happened11:55
Treenaksspayne: that doesn't mean nothing will happen eventually11:55
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spayneeventually?11:57
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spaynebreezy is out in a month11:57
Treenaksspayne: yes.. guess what we do just before release?11:57
spayneBug Day?11:57
Treenaksspayne: more like a bug month:)11:58
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pefhi12:16
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pvanhoofIs making bugzilla.ubuntu.com slow a way to make sure we don't submit a lot bugs?12:34
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pvanhoofsometimes it's awfully slow12:35
Lathiatpvanhoof: heh try viwing the page source for the enter bug page12:35
pvanhoofubuntu bugzilla devs: try making sure it loads fast. It's not that the enter bug page really has to be complicated or huge12:36
pvanhoofomg. it loads ALL components in some EMBEDDED java script12:36
Lathiatyuh12:37
pvanhoofpeople get shot for that at my company12:37
pvanhoofthey just bypass any justice system here .. they get immediatly shot12:37
pvanhoofin the head, and if not dead .. shot again12:37
Lathiatwhat if theyre still not dead?12:37
pvanhoofthen .. they get the chance to correct it .. (with the brains they have left)12:38
pvanhoofthey could at least try to consider ajax if they really want to do it that way 12:39
pvanhoofand if ajax is to hard .. put it in a .js file12:39
pvanhoofthat way it'll be cached between different pageviews12:39
pvanhoof*sigh* .. so far for "intelligent" opensource developers at ubuntu's web services12:39
danielsno work has gone into bugzilla for ages12:41
danielsit's all about malone12:41
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danielsso judging launchpad based on how bz's been mangled is rather unfair12:41
pvanhoofand they should remove the fact that the "Package" textbox is required. Not a single normal user "knows" how to use that12:42
pvanhoofdaniels, it's not about being unfair. For MOST people (with internet connections of today), it's simply unusable this way12:42
danielsah, that's where all my multiseat uploads have gone12:43
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danielspvanhoof: i know it's shit, dude12:44
danielspvanhoof: i spent months bitching about this while I was on dialup12:44
pvanhoof:(12:44
danielspvanhoof: but saying 'ubuntu's web service team sucks, look at bugzilla' is really, really unfair.12:44
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pvanhoofI'm not saying they suck. I said they made a very unintelligent decision when they decided to put all components in an embedded javascript12:45
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danielspvanhoof: that was not the launchpad team.12:46
j^that should be ajax as used on http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en12:47
danielspvanhoof: entirely separately to launchpad, we used to have a bugzilla maintainer.  back then, he made the decision to do the javascript thing.  he was not ever a part of the launchpad team.  entirely unrelated.12:47
pvanhoofok12:47
pvanhoofnever said that "launchpad" did this12:47
danielsj^: i'm sure patches would be welcome.  do it against the bugzilla codebase, submit it upstream, and everyone wins.12:47
danielspvanhoof: ubuntu has nothing else to do with a web services team.12:48
pvanhoofdaniels, for a user of the system, it doesn't matter "who" did it12:48
pvanhoofor "how" the team is called12:48
pvanhoofthe fact is .. it doesn't work12:48
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pvanhoofit takes ages to submit a bug because of that component list .. which is a stupid feature anyway12:49
pvanhoofnot a single mortal normal user will submit bugs .. I thought ubuntu was about Humanity to others .. or.. creating a system that is usable for everybody. Including bug reporting12:49
pvanhoofor is bug reporting only for the elite who have great internet connections?12:50
danielspvanhoof: i know it's crap, but you're not being at all helpful here.12:50
danielspvanhoof: malone is fine for reporting bugs, and bugzilla has been slated for imminent death for, oh, about a year now.12:51
j^pvanhoof and do you think this is the biggest problem to fix in ubuntu right now, or is it a minor glich?12:51
danielspvanhoof: if you want to actually be productive, try using malone and report bugs on it.12:51
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pvanhoofmaline.ubuntu.org ?12:51
pvanhoofmalone.ubuntu.org ..12:51
j^https://launchpad.net/12:52
danielshttp://www.launchpad.net/malone/12:52
pvanhoofj^, problems can be solved in parallel. It's not because this isn't the biggest problem .. that it's unimportant or to be queued 12:52
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danielspvanhoof: try not having a bugzilla maintainer.  anyway, as I said, if you want to be useful rather than just randomly bitching on IRC, try either doing the AJAX stuff against upstream Bugzilla, or filing bugs against Malone.12:53
HiddenWolf /umode +CE12:54
j^pvanhoof never said that, but you made it sound as if this was not fixed ubuntu would not be "a system that is usable for everybody"12:54
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pvanhoofj^, Well, if ubuntu wants to be usable for everybody, I think you guys should make that Malone thing the default for bugreporting12:55
pvanhoofor fix that bugzilla flaw12:55
pvanhoofbecause the default for bug reporting is not usable at this moment12:55
pvanhoofI'd like to close the discussion12:56
j^pvanhoof thats the plan, but it might take some more time12:56
danielspvanhoof: the plan is to move to Malone12:56
pvanhoofthat is good12:56
danielspvanhoof: closing the discussion is a good idea, since it hasn't achieved anything.12:56
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hungerHi there.01:02
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HiddenWolfpitti: ping?01:03
HiddenWolfdaniels: nvidia drivers don't work for me, but I guess I'm not the only one? (6600GT, using nvidia driver sends my monitor to sleep mode)01:04
HrdwrBoBHiddenWolf: do you have enough power?01:05
danielsHiddenWolf: uhm, I dunno.  ask nvidia?01:05
HrdwrBoBAGP 6600GT?01:05
HiddenWolfHrdwrBoB, I'd say so. it's pci-express.01:05
HrdwrBoBah, that should be ok, I've just ahd a few issues with my agp 6600gt01:05
HiddenWolfdaniels, you mean they'd actually care about a bug report @ nvidia? ;)01:06
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pittiHiddenWolf: pong01:07
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hungerpitti: Did you look into my cryptodisk script yet?01:08
HiddenWolfpitti: #14226, anything else you need?01:08
pittihunger: no, sorry, but we are in feature freeze for some weeks anyway01:09
pittiHiddenWolf: just saw your bug reply01:09
danielsHiddenWolf: i dunno01:10
pittiHiddenWolf: so you installed from scratch? without any dist-upgrade?01:10
pittiHiddenWolf: I'm currently installing the i386 daily, I will look at it01:10
pittiHiddenWolf: might very well be that udev doesn't ship the file any more (we had a similar bug recently)01:10
HiddenWolfI filed the bug installing a 28aug daily from scratch on a brand new harddisk even. Then I tried mounting an audio cd, and cdplayer told me I didn't have permissions to read the disk.01:11
HiddenWolfI since reverted to colony3, and dist-upgraded from there, which fixed a load of crap for me.01:12
zygawhen are translations frozen?01:12
pittiHiddenWolf: ok, then I guess some udev update just dropped the file01:12
HiddenWolfzyga, sept1 is string freeze, translations will be updated throughout the release probably?01:12
zygaHiddenWolf: they are? I never noticed any updated translations01:13
pittizyga: there have been several language pack updates recently01:13
HiddenWolf*argh!*01:14
HiddenWolfI spent an hour or so getting my tvtuner to work yesterday, and now after a reboot, I don't have sound again.01:14
zygapitti: are they in any special repo? 01:14
pittizyga: no, ubuntu main01:14
zygastrange01:14
pittizyga: language-pack-[gnome-] -<lang>01:15
pittizyga: please use the language selector :-)01:15
zygapitti: language selector for hoary? :)01:15
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pittizyga: ah, hoary - no there haven't been any updates01:15
zygaBTW: it really rocks :)01:15
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zygaso after the release breezy's translations are frozen, right?01:16
pittizyga: well, the original strings are, not the translations01:16
HiddenWolfzyga, language packs should be updated.01:17
pittizyga: there will be updates after release01:17
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zygapitti: so if I translate a package in rosetta now it will be updated in hoary (language packs that is)01:17
pittizyga: yes, as soon as rosetta export actually works01:17
zygapitti: excelent!01:17
pittizyga: I made a few attempts, but so far export is still broken01:17
zyga:-)01:18
zygaanyway if that's WIP it will be operationan one day01:18
zygaoperational even01:18
pittizyga: yes, archive-wise hoary updates are prepared and ready to go01:19
dokoanybody knows where seb128 is?01:22
pittidoko: yes, vac until tomorrow01:22
dokoohh01:22
dokopitti: do you know, if we already have translations for the two lpi items?01:23
pittidoko: I guess not01:23
pittibut maybe Rosetta knows them already`01:24
pitti?01:24
pittihey, my i386 install finished01:24
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ogradoko, feeling better ?01:25
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dokoogra: drugs are ok ...01:26
ogradoko, did you recognize that the blackdown packages are compiled with XPrint support (so nothing mozilla related works, i.e. plugins)? anything we can do about that ? 01:27
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dokoogra: please file a bug report01:27
ogradoko, dholbach will be soon around the corner... we'll send him to you to be helpful ;)01:28
ogra(mix your drugs and such ;) )01:28
janimoany MOTUs with some free time on their hand - does such a motu even exist ;) ? - want to revu xubuntu-meta? End of spam01:29
janimosorry wrong channel01:30
HiddenWolfdaniels, There is nothing you can do about nvidia drivers, so I have to bitch to nvidia?01:30
danielsHiddenWolf: well, it's not like I can fix the problem ... same with fglrx01:31
pittiHiddenWolf: hmm, clean install from today's iso: I do get the 020_permissions.rules symlink01:31
HiddenWolfpitti, perhaps today's udev fixed it?01:33
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pittiHiddenWolf: nope, that fixed another bug; also, today's update is not yet on the CD01:35
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HiddenWolfHm. Well, then I'd say check what differs between colony3 and today?01:35
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HiddenWolfpitti, Hm. Well, then I'd say check what differs between colony3 and today?01:36
pittiHiddenWolf: but you said colony 3 worked for you?01:37
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pittiHiddenWolf: hm, it seems the installer downloaded new packages off the network, so I already do have udev 0.060-1ubuntu801:37
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pittiHiddenWolf: which version do you have?01:37
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HiddenWolfpitti, Version: 0.060-1ubuntu901:38
HiddenWolfhidde@system:~$ /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rule01:38
HiddenWolfbash: /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rule: No such file or directory01:38
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HiddenWolfhaven't rebooted tho01:38
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pittiHiddenWolf: ok, I have ubuntu801:39
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pittiHiddenWolf: the udev postinst is braindead, I will try to whack some sense into it, but that's nontrivial due to conffile migratio01:39
pittin01:39
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HiddenWolfpitti, anything i can do to to help you track it?01:41
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pittiHiddenWolf: beat up Marco d'Itri to do sensible packaging? :-) /me runs01:42
HiddenWolfpitti, sorry, I'm a pacifist. ;)01:43
pittiHiddenWolf: me too, that's the problem :-)01:43
pittianyway, I will look into it01:43
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pittibut first, lemme take a look at eject01:43
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HiddenWolfpitti, no rush.01:43
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pittibrb01:46
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pittiHiddenWolf: hmm, the symlink is correct for me, but the group of the cdrom device is indeed wrong02:00
HiddenWolfpitti, what does the symlink do really? (yes, I'm dumb. ;) )02:03
pittiHiddenWolf: it just makes /etc/udev/permissions.rules actually evaluated02:03
pitti... being ...02:03
HiddenWolfpitti, you're the language pack guy right?02:04
pittiyes02:04
HiddenWolfpitti, any reason why in my english-only install I get fonts from Arabic to Swahili?02:05
pittiyes02:05
pittiHiddenWolf: we want to display all content correctly02:05
pittiHiddenWolf: "english install" means english desktop "translations" and english input support02:05
pittibut we don't want to cripple content display02:05
HiddenWolfRight, but would it be possible to get all those fonts out of my openoffice font lists then? It makes changing the font a pain, since half of them look like gibberish to me.02:06
pittihm, no idea02:06
HiddenWolfs/openoffice/texteditor02:07
HiddenWolfdoko: any clue? ^^02:08
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dokoHiddenWolf: no02:10
HiddenWolfbummer02:10
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | Colony 3 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/ | #ubuntu is temporarily open to registered users only to prevent spam bots. /msg nickserv help to regist
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by tseng at Sat Aug 27 16:31:34 2005
(HiddenWolf/#ubuntu-devel) doko, mind if I file a bug to that extent?02:12
(mpt/#ubuntu-devel) eh, that's interesting02:12
(siretart/#ubuntu-devel) ogra: around?02:12
(mpt/#ubuntu-devel) Yesterday, I had X but not usplash. Today I have usplash but no X.02:12
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dokoHiddenWolf: implement FontHandling, or how this breezy goal is named.02:13
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | Colony 3 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/ | #ubuntu is temporarily open to registered users only to prevent spam bots. /msg nickserv help to regist
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by tseng at Sat Aug 27 16:31:34 2005
(ogra/#ubuntu-devel) siretart, hey, thanks...02:14
(ogra/#ubuntu-devel) siretart, i thought lbxp was dead ...02:14
(ogra/#ubuntu-devel) libxp even02:14
(HiddenWolf/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: hidde@system:~$ /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules02:14
(HiddenWolf/#ubuntu-devel) bash: /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules: Permission denied02:14
(HiddenWolf/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: just the group then.02:15
(siretart/#ubuntu-devel) ogra: it is dead, but still in xorg cvs02:15
pittiHiddenWolf: ok, so we two have the same situation. I just wanted to assert that :-)02:15
siretartogra: daniels suggested to package it and have it around in universe for binary shit like this02:15
ograsiretart, but the clean fix would be to fix the java package :)02:15
mptdaniels: It says "Failed to start the X server", etc, and the text frame uses lots of s, s, and s, and becomes unresponsive02:15
ograat least its a start :)02:15
danielsmpt: need an Xorg.0.log02:16
siretartogra: but still I wonder why no binaries are available: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/libxp02:16
mptdaniels: and that would be in /var/logs/ ?02:16
danielsogra: fixing java would be nice, certainly ...02:16
siretartaccording to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libx/libxp/6.2.0-0ubuntu1/ it got built02:16
siretartbut there is no binary in the archive. huh?!02:16
danielssiretart: possibly binary NEW02:16
danielsmpt: /var/log/, yes02:17
ogradaniels, yes, but i dont hav access to the source, we only have the blackdown binary packages currently...02:17
danielsogra: exactly02:17
fabbionedaniels: ehy dude02:17
danielsfabbione: sup02:17
fabbione-54.. did you fix the MANIFEST for sparc? ;)02:17
siretartdaniels: who could check this?02:17
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danielsfabbione: yes, I said that I fixed it a while ago, when you last asked me about it :P02:18
fabbionedaniels: given i had to do a vi on the fly while building -53 ;)02:18
danielssiretart: probably elmo when he wakes up, but he was up until stupid o'clock fixing jackass02:18
fabbionedaniels: there was no track in the changelog.. sooooo....02:18
siretartok02:18
HiddenWolfdoko, ok, i'll live with it02:20
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opiHi02:27
marcin_anthi all02:29
marcin_antI got a problem with wireless network interface on breezy02:30
marcin_antI need to configure this NIC as dhcp client and in ad-hoc mode02:30
opiiface wlan0 dhcp won't work?02:30
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opiOh, ad-hoc.. 02:30
marcin_antthe problem is that wireless-mode ad-hoc in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't want to work02:31
opimarcin_ant: man interfaces says nothing at all?02:31
opimarcin_ant: TBH, I always created my own script for WiFi in /etc/init.d ;)02:31
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marcin_antopi, it says to add wireless-mode ad-hoc02:31
marcin_antopi, but after boot my nic is in managed mode and doesn't want to connect02:32
marcin_antopi, when I iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc02:32
marcin_antand dhclient eth1 02:32
marcin_antthen everything is ok02:32
opimaybe there's an error in /etc/init.d/networking?02:32
marcin_antopi, hmm I need to take a look at this script02:33
opimarcin_ant: if everything fails, you can try dirty hack, throw .sh script into if-pre-up02:33
j^marcin_ant you have to set ssid before you can set ad-hoc. so it should be02:34
j^wireless-essid Wireless02:34
j^wireless-mode ad-hoc02:34
marcin_antj^, I got this like you said 02:34
marcin_antj^, and it worked on hoary02:34
marcin_antj^, but doesn't want on breezy02:34
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opimarcin_ant: maybe you should poke around Bugzilla02:36
opimarcin_ant: maybe it's filled bug?02:36
marcin_antopi, I'll try02:37
marcin_antopi, but in fact I even don't know where is ubuntu bugzilla02:37
marcin_antopi, anyway I'll try to add iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc somewhere to run this script before ifup02:38
j^pre-up iwconfig ...02:39
j^could work02:39
j^(in interfaces)02:39
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marcin_antj^, /etc/init.d/networking fails always when I add something to interfaces....02:41
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opimarcin_ant: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com02:46
pittiHiddenWolf: ok, so you are sure that ubuntu6 worked?02:52
HiddenWolfpitti, I haven't tried any breezy before Colony3.02:53
pittiHiddenWolf: ok, thanks; 02:53
HiddenWolfpitti, sorry for giving you that impression. I ment: On my colony3 install I could at least acces(automount) the disc without chowning them, which I couldn't under the 26aug daily.02:55
pittiHiddenWolf: ok, so what I meant was that the device permissions were ok?02:55
HiddenWolfpitti, I guess so, yes.02:56
pittidarn02:58
pittidoes anybody still have a copy of the udev_0.060-1ubuntu6 source package?02:59
pittiKeybuk: you maybe? since you touched it recently02:59
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siretartelmo: around? - do you happen to know what's up with libxp? it seems to be accepted (got that mail), it has been built, but there are no binary packages in the archive. did I do something stupid?03:02
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:irc.freenode.net] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | Colony 3 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/ | #ubuntu is temporarily open to registered users only to prevent spam bots. /msg nickserv help to regi
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HiddenWolfGees, what a mess. :)03:28
opiHiddenWolf: ;-)03:29
opiHiddenWolf: we're all vitims of spam wars 03:30
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pittiHiddenWolf: can you please verify that the permissions are correct when restarting udev?03:31
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pittibrb03:35
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HiddenWolfopi, it's just sick that someone would spam freenode.03:36
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pittiHiddenWolf: can you please put your udev deb somewhere?03:40
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sivangtgall_foo: ping03:43
sivangtgall_foo: when you created your IBM booting images, did you use an archive mirror, if so, was it local or on the web?03:44
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sivangtgall: ping again, did yu catch my last question ?03:53
tgallmorning sivang 03:57
tgallsivang, as to how did those combo of flags come about ?03:58
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Mitariomvo, yay! cheers :)04:08
mvohey Mitario 04:09
mvohow are you? 04:09
Mitariomvo, hey :)04:09
Mitariojust noticed      - fix the "window is incorrectly drawn on first run" bug (#14006) :)04:09
Mitariomvo, i'm very good, you?04:09
mvoMitario: I think I fixed that bloody bug in the notification daemon that caused the double drawn notification for update-notifier :)04:10
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Mitarioyeah :)04:10
Mitariogreat!04:10
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mvoMitario: oh, nice! 04:11
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sivangtgall: haven't tested them alone yet, I've been trying to hack on debian-cd to have those flags in for building images, troulbe is that I think debian-cd expects me to have a complete mirror on the local disk to run04:26
tgallsivang: ah ..  yeah I haven't started to hack on debian cd quite yet...    my experiences with livecd etc creation is all based on gentoo from which I hail,  just started to get into the swing of things to learn about debian packaging and building04:27
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tgallsivang, I know those mkisofs flags work tho ...    were you around when jdub and I were talking about the other bits you need to get an IBM chrp/rpa ppc64 box to boot off iso ?04:28
sivangtgall: not quite. I recall he told me you two had success rolling them on, would you mind sharing with me the missing bits?04:28
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tgallsivang: np .. sounds like maybe I ought to throw it into the wiki!04:29
tgallsivang: I personally haven't rolled a ubuntu cd yet ... but I'm burning to come up to speed to be able to do that04:29
sivangtgall: how did you get your image made eventually? uncompressing the content of a livecd and preparing it with mkisofs like the way you described in your mail to -devel ?04:29
sivangtgall: me too :)04:29
sivangtgall: we can start the inofficial IBM CHRP Ubuntu team :)04:30
tgallbasically on IBM boxen (32 and 64 bit)  by convention they look for a script  ppc/bootinfo.txt04:30
tgallsivang: I'm all for that04:30
tgallthe bootinfo.txt script is a bit too long to c/n/p in here tho04:30
sivangtgall: I'll start a quick page  on the wiki, then send you the link so you can outline the instructions there04:30
tgalland in that script basically you point at a yaboot that has had addnote run over it (addnote comes with yaboot)04:31
sivangtgall: ah, I think I saw that bootinfo.txt file in the howto jdub pointed a link for me04:31
sivangtgall: what'a addnote role?04:31
tgallsivang: throws a little elf record at the front that the open firmware loader needs04:31
sivangtgall: ah like the first bits the loader JUMPs to ?04:32
tgallno doesn't contain code to execute04:33
tgallmore of a packaging issue which is rather silly04:33
tgallIBM OF looks for it ... apple OF expects it not to be there04:33
sivangtgall: I see. ok then, I guess I can read about it at penguinppc.org04:33
sivangtgall: thanks for the explenations04:33
tgallsure ting04:36
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HiddenWolfWho maintains pppoeconf?04:54
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sivangtgall: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnThePseries?action=show now you're turn to outline how to create a boot iamge manually :)05:04
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pittiHiddenWolf: FYI, it is not an udev regression; I suspect something else, I need to grab jbailey for that05:24
HiddenWolfpitti, right. Thanks for the positive action. :)05:24
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pittiHiddenWolf: this one makes me drive up the wall05:25
HiddenWolfpitti, If I could code my way out of a wet paper bag, I'd help. Sorry. :$05:25
pittiHiddenWolf: I suspect that initramfs-tools breaks it somehow, but I need to talk to Jeff to find out details05:27
HiddenWolfpitti, you rock.05:30
hungerpitti: Was this about /dev/input/mice not working?05:30
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HiddenWolfhunger, no, about /dev/cdrom being owned by root instead of cdrom.05:31
pittihunger: it was about "devices have the wrong permisssions" (#14226), not sure whether this also affects your problem05:31
pittiHiddenWolf: it's not just cdrom, but all block devices05:31
HiddenWolfpitti, ok, sorry.05:31
hungerOh. haven't noticed that yet:-)05:31
pittino need to excuse :-)05:32
hungerBut then I have not used my cdrom since I installed hoary:-)05:32
HiddenWolfThe first thing I did was pop in a cd, since rhythmbox isn't working at all at the moment.05:32
HiddenWolfubuntu then promptly told me I couldn't play my cd. :P05:33
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pittihunger: could indeed be the same bug05:33
dilinger$#@!$05:33
dilinger--- Unregistered users cannot currently send private messages due to spambot problems. please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup )05:33
dilingeri hate this network05:33
pittifabbione: do you happen to know about the guts of initramfs?05:33
HiddenWolfbah, is daniels gone?05:33
dilingerpitti: hiya.  are you familiar w/ CAN-2005-2655?05:34
pittiHi dilinger 05:35
zuldilinger: maybe you should register then05:35
pittidilinger: never heard of05:36
dilingerpitti: alright.  pitti@canonical.com, right?05:36
dilingeror is it mpitt?05:36
pittidilinger: martin.pitt@u.c05:37
pittidilinger: pitti could also work05:37
pittibrb05:38
dilingerzul: because i have no desire to register my nick w/ an irc network and have unregistered people not able to msg me05:40
sivangdilinger: just register ? :)05:40
sivangdilinger: woops, terrible latency problem05:41
dilingerit's yet another stupid password to remember05:41
sivangtrue...I just got used to it by now..05:41
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HiddenWolfcrimsun, around?05:47
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lamont-awayelmo: please sync ixbiff_0.03d (fixes ftbfs in breezy)05:52
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lamont-awayelmo: dvi2dvi_2.0alpha-5.1 looks like a good candidate as well, although it contains a bit more code cleanup than just the bare minimum...05:53
infinityelmo / mdz : xdriinfo needs to be pushed through NEW for xbase-clients to be installable again, pretty please.05:55
siretartlamont-away: hi. is it possible that a package got build but it's binaries did not go into the archive yet because it is in Binary NEW? can you check that or is elmo the only person to do that?05:55
siretarts/to do/who can do/05:55
infinitysiretart : Yes, it's possible.  Which package?05:56
lamont-awaysiretart: anyone can verify that the package was uploaded (buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.$ARCH, state==Uploaded)05:56
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lamont-awayfrom there, why it's not in the archive requires looking at the appropriate overrides file in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices05:57
lamont-awaythat is, to confirm that it truely is 'NEW' (missing from the overrides file)05:57
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lamont-awaysomeone with shell access to the master archive (not infinity/me) can actually go look and see what queue it's in...05:58
lamont-awaythere are other reasons that it might not be in the archive, but those are the usual ones...05:58
siretartit is package libxp05:58
siretartlamont: it has been built sucessfully on all archs, and I got a mail from katie that it got ACCEPTED05:59
siretartlamont: but its binary packages are not yet in the archive05:59
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siretartand there is no entry in the override file at all. does this mean it is in binary NEW?06:01
siretartgn8 infinity 06:02
infinitysiretart : Yes.06:02
siretartah. ok06:02
siretartI thought I did something stupid06:02
siretart:)06:02
lamontelmo: please sync evolver_2.23-1.1 (fixes ftbfs)06:05
lamontsiretart: your ACCEPTED mail says that the source was accepted into the archive06:05
lamontif it's not in the overrides file, then it's NEW06:05
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siretartok. learned another thing for today :)06:06
siretartso I'll wait for another few days. no problem06:06
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mdz_infinity: done06:10
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bddebianHello06:19
pittiHi mdz_ 06:23
lamontelmo: please sync tint_0.03b (fixes ftbfs)06:23
_derekdaniels: ping06:23
mdz_pitti: hi06:24
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_derekcan anyone tell me if any work has been done on bug 1412006:25
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tgallsivang, ping 06:29
lamontelmo: please sync nntp_1.5.12.1-19 (ftbfs)06:30
pittimdz_: is there anybody else apart from jbailey who knows about the guts of initramfs?06:30
lamontelmo: ipchains_1.3.10-16 looks sync-able as well (a couple other minor-nit bugs fixed too)06:32
lamontelmo: mmv_1.01b-12.2 fixes ftbfs06:34
mdz_pitti: I do06:34
HiddenWolfWho maintains ppp(oeconf)06:37
HiddenWolf?06:37
lamontHiddenWolf: it says this for Debian:  Maintainer: Eduard Bloch <blade@debian.org>06:38
lamontfor ubuntu?  whoever fixes it, I expect06:38
HiddenWolflamont, so who do I talk to if I want it to start earlier during init?06:38
lamontdunno06:39
lamontif it needs to start earlier in general, I'd probably start a discussion with Eduard06:39
HiddenWolflamont, piont is that if one uses ppp, ntp will always time out, just because ntp gets run before ppp. That's silly.06:40
lamontand a pretty good argument06:40
mdzinfinity: are xdriinfo binaries inbound?06:42
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HiddenWolfmdz, just showed up on -changes...06:44
mdzHiddenWolf: that was the soruce06:45
mdzsource06:45
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siretartHiddenWolf: Eduard Bloch is Zomb on irc, btw06:48
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HiddenWolfsiretart, we'll see. I might get flamed again for running Ubuntu tho. :)06:51
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sivangtgall: pong06:54
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sivanganyone to review and upload http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/gnome-panel/my_lpint_gnome-panel-crack.diff for me?06:56
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sivanghmmm, guess I'll email pitti with the debdiff then06:58
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mvoogra: ping07:18
tvomdz: ping07:20
mdztvo: pong07:20
tvomdz: is it possible to get a new version of kio-locate into main ?07:20
mvomdz: what do I do with automatically imported bugs from bugs.d.o against universe packages? just clossing with "universe" as tag?07:21
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mdztvo: subject to release criteria, yes07:28
mdzmvo: universe or NOTWARTY07:28
mdzmvo: (notwarty suppresses all further mail)07:28
mvomdz: done, thanks07:28
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BrightLightHello. Ubuntu installer is unable to find my Slimtype DVDRW (Laptop-Acer TravelMate 4152Lmi). Is there any other way to install Ubuntu ?07:30
tvomdz: where to find those?07:30
mdztvo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule07:30
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mdztvo: if the new version is exclusively a bugfix release, that would be a good candidate07:31
infinitymdz : xriinfo binaries are all uploaded...07:36
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infinityxriinfo, too.07:36
infinityArgh.  xDriinfo.07:36
tvomdz: it depends on what you'd call a bugfix. I'd say it could do, but who am I to say so..07:36
infinityNote to self: If you're awake at3:30am because you can't chake a cough, that's not a good time ot be working or communicating.07:36
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tvomdz: detailed changelog --> http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/changelog-kio-locate--tvo--0.2.html07:38
mdzinfinity: did you have any luck with usplash?07:39
infinityusplash is a "This Morning" thing.07:40
tvomdz: to summarize: no new features, just changed behaviour and bugfixes07:40
infinity(I took an actual weekend for once, then Monday was "jackass was down and stuff was goofy" day)07:40
infinitySo, Tuesday (which happens in a few hours, it looks like) is "make usplash and lsb love each other day"07:41
tgallsivang, still out there ?07:41
mdzinfinity: oh, I thought you had been working on it already on Friday07:42
infinityI tihnk it was Saturday already when I said I'd play with it, though my mental calendar may be off.07:42
infinity(Well, my Saturday is your Friday, so that always confuses)07:42
mdztvo: looks OK except patch-3; how intrusive is that07:43
mdztvo: ?07:43
infinityAnyhow, I see no reason why I shouldn't have something working and reasonably tested today.07:43
jbaileyinfinity: The one line patch that mjg59 gave me for when we were doing the initramfs testing shows that it all seems to work in its basic form at least.07:44
infinityjbailey : <nod>, it certainly appears to.07:44
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tvomdz: I'd say not-intrusive, large part of the code it added already existed (and was tested). For enduser, it's just a change in UI (output only)07:47
sivangtgall: now I am, but going out in about 10 minutes07:47
tgallheh07:48
tgallgo figure!07:48
sivangtgall: what? :)07:48
sivangtgall: (I was out taking some dinner, and then I Have a couple of arrangements to do)07:48
tgallI was going to ask you did you get that wiki page started ?07:48
sivangtgall: already there :)07:48
tgallgreat,  what's the name 07:48
tgall?07:49
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ogramvo, late pong07:50
mjg59jdub: We've got three more colours to play with, dude07:58
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mdztvo: OK, sounds reasonable08:05
jbaileymdz: ping?08:06
tvomdz: can you do a sponsored upload too or should I ask someone else?08:06
mdztvo: please ask someone else; don't you have a mentor assigned?08:06
mdzjbailey: why is it that you often seem to ping me when I've already spoken in the channel a few seconds before 08:06
mdzjbailey: :-)08:07
tvomdz: yes, he's pretty busy with aKademy, but I'll ask him anyways08:07
jbaileymdz: Synchronicity? =)08:07
mdzjbailey: well, there's no need to ping if I'm obviously here.  fire away :-)08:07
infinitymdz : ping.08:07
jbaileymdz: Do you have brainspace for questions on 14242 right now?  Or, I can reply in the bug.08:08
mdzjbailey: happy to talk about it here, but please follow up to 14242 as well so that pitti gets copies08:08
mdzoh, thinking of a different bug08:08
mdzjbailey: I was thinking of #14226, which is much more important at the moment08:08
sivangtgall: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnThePseries08:10
mdzjbailey: does my suggested solution in 14226 make sense to you?08:11
jbaileymdz: The tmpfs has to move from the initramfs to keep the socket for usplash up.  I'll have to figure out why it's not firing on other systems.  On mine, when I  checked it was still calling the udevstart, and seemed to be fine.08:12
jbaileymdz: So I don't tink stopping and starting is the right solution.08:12
mdzjbailey: that was pitti's proposal.  mine is in comment #708:12
sivangtgall: I'm out talk to you when I'm home08:13
jbaileymdz: Yes, that would work.08:13
HiddenWolfOh my, I found a critical bug. ;)08:14
jbaileyFunny that I had originally created the .initramfs-tools as a way for me to tell when people had actually updated to the new initramfs or not. =)08:14
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mdzmjg59: I think we need to increase the usplash timeout08:20
mdzmjg59: the lrm init script seems to take longer than the timeout to complete08:20
mjg59mdz: Ok, that's easy enough08:21
mdzmjg59: I think it might help if that init script actually printed something; I've made it do so08:24
mjg59mdz: Do we have usplash support in the lsb scripts now?08:25
mdzstill, it seems pretty feasible for it to take >15 seconds just for the meat on slow hardware, considering that it runs depmod08:25
mdzlsb (3.0-1ubuntu4) breezy; urgency=low08:25
mdz  * Basic usplash integration08:25
mdz -- Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com>  Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:20:00 -070008:25
mjg59Sure. Want me to bump it, or should I add support for setting it via usplash_write?08:25
mdzmjg59: care to take a look before I upload it?08:25
mjg59Then it could be extended when it's expected to take longer, and shortened otherwise08:25
mjg59mdz: Sure08:26
mdzmailed08:26
mjg59Thanks08:26
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mdzI haven't looked at anything but the success case yet08:26
mdzso I'm not sure if the mapping makes sense in the other cases08:26
BenCwhat package creates Xorg.conf?08:29
ivoksxserver-xorg08:29
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BenChmm, didn't seem to create it for me08:29
ivoksdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:30
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mjg59mdz: The failure case should probably be FAILURE, not STATUS08:32
mdzmjg59: won't that print the message at the right side?08:32
mdzI think log_failure_msg is used for longer messages08:32
mdzlike "I'm fucked because my config file is broken"08:32
mjg59Oh, right, I see08:33
BenCdpkg-reconfigure worked08:33
mdzBenC: fresh install or upgrade?08:33
mjg59Yeah. Looks good in that case.08:33
mdzmjg59: looking into sysv-rc integration now08:33
mdzneed a way to count the number of words in a string using only posix sh without /usr08:34
BenCwow, that was bad...xserver-xorg picked the vmware module for my nvidia geforce408:34
mdzhmm, though I guess we did agree that usplash would just lose if /usr was != /08:34
mdzmjg59: could we have usplash print something in the text box immediately after starting up?  there's quite a delay between usplash startup and the first init script08:35
mjg59mdz: can do08:35
mdzmjg59: how early does it get started?  could we actually have initramfs init display progress messages to usplash?08:35
mjg59At the moment it's started towards the end of initramfs08:36
mdzdetecting hardware, etc.08:36
mdzah08:36
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mjg59Probably best to talk to Jeff about whether it could be done earlier08:36
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mdzjbailey: ^^^08:40
jbaileyWhere does it need to be started?08:41
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mdzjbailey: it would be nice if it could be started early enough to display progress info for the rest of the initramfs process, see above08:42
BenCmdz: fresh install08:42
mdzBenC: daily?08:42
BenCmdz: well, fresh install of hoary (server), and then a dist-upgrade to breezy, and then manual install of xserver-xorg08:43
hmrochahello, i don't know if this is the right channel08:43
BenCI can go back and try a fresh install of breezy daily and see if it does the same, but I suspect the xserver-xorg scripts will do the same thing08:43
mdzBenC: you probably forgot to preinstall xresprobe/mdetect08:43
hmrochathe group "plugdev" is the group that allows a user to mount a removable usb disk ?08:43
BenCit detected the nvidia card correctly08:43
BenCthe name and PCI slot atleast08:44
mdzBenC: you said you didn't even have a xorg.conf08:44
BenCyeah, those two packages weren't installed08:44
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BenCso I guess that's the reason08:44
jbaileymdz, mjg59: If we do it sooner, hmm.08:47
mdzBenC: the .config script should print a warning in that case08:47
jbaileyIt could be put in init-top, but I'd need to mount the /dev tmpfs sooner.  So far you'd just lose /dev/console, but that can be made by hand.08:47
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spayneit is about this ndiswrapper problem because i think i might know the answer08:51
spaynewhoops!08:51
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mdzmjg59: so about the progress bar08:52
mdzmjg59: it looks like sysvinit makes it rather difficult for us to get the overall number of steps in advance08:52
mdzsince we go first to runlevel S, then someplace else, and I don't think we know "someplace else" in advance without, say, parsing inittab and /proc/cmdline and duplicating its logic08:53
mdzmjg59: I've got a nice progress bar for rcS though08:53
mdzI suppose we could say that the first 50% is rcS and the other 50% for whatever runlevel we end up in08:55
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mjg59mdz: Yeah08:58
jbailey/dev/console is always c5,1 right?  /me check lanana08:58
mjg59mdz: What did you want me to do about the timeout - increase it statically, or give you a command to increase it on the fly?08:58
mdzmjg59: I'm not sure what the best way would be to deal with it08:59
mdzideally we shouldn't have a timeout at all, of course08:59
mjg59It's easy to remove the timeout08:59
mdzmjg59: how about a "PING" which says "I'm alive, please reset the timeout"08:59
mjg59The reason for having it was in case something dies in init08:59
mjg59mdz: That'll work already08:59
mdzbut doesn't print anything08:59
mdzoh, ko08:59
mdzok08:59
mjg59The timeout is just implemented as a select loop - sending it a command it doesn't understand will reset it09:00
spaynewho mantains hotplug btw?09:03
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jbaileyspayne: There's a few of us who've hacked on it.  What do you need?09:04
spaynejust my ndiswrapper problem - i have discovered it is the problem of hotplug not loading the module09:05
jbaileyspayne: Can hotplug detect the need to load ndiswrapper?  I've never used it.09:07
spaynejbailey: gernally adding a line to /etc/modules tells it to and it works09:07
jbaileyRight.  And it's not loading it in /etc/modules?09:07
jbaileys/in/from/09:07
spaynejbailey: but for some reason, when i do that, it locks on "Starting Hotplug..."09:07
spaynejbailey: it is not loaded by default09:07
jbaileyspayne: If you modprobe it by hand does it work?09:08
spayneyes09:08
mdzmjg59: I suppose we should start using the -novtswitch stuff too...09:08
spaynejbailey: it works no problem when doing that09:08
mdzthough even if we do that, the progress bar is never going to reach the top in the default configuration09:08
jbaileyHmm.  module-init-tools is what should be loading everything from there, not hotplug.09:09
spaynejbailey: i assume it is hotplug because when i just install ndiswrapper and create the link, the system fails on "Loading Modules.."09:10
spaynejbailey: but when I add the line to /etc/modules, it fails on "Starting hotplug..."09:10
martinhjjbailey: you know, I can't use lilo when I boot with a initramfs image.. works fine with a initrd image09:10
martinhjjbailey: have you noticed?09:10
mjg59martinhj: If you haven't filed a bug, then the answer is probably "no"09:11
jbaileymartinhj: When was the last time you tried?  All the lilo issues that I know about were fixed near the end of last week.09:11
pittiHi jbailey 09:11
jbaileyOh, look, a screen full of yellow. =)09:11
jbaileypitti: Heya Martin. =)09:11
spaynejbailey: any ideas why?09:11
spaynejbailey: i also compiled the newer 1.3rc1 modules and it still failed09:12
spaynejbailey: which means it isn't ndiswrapper09:12
pittijbailey: shall I fix that new initramfs/udev bug or do you want to?09:12
jbaileyspayne: Not without doing some further tracing.  I don't know ndiswrapper at all.  When you say that you install it and it fails with "Loading Modules", that's the ndiswrapper startup script?09:12
martinhjjbailey: you know, it's because of the lvm stuff.. you told me to use initramfs-tools 0.23 and it worked09:12
jbaileypitti: I've got another patch for udev, so I can just as easily.  I'm going to take mdz's idea and just special case it.09:13
mjg59When you modprobe ndiswrapper, it does funky stuff involving filesystem access09:13
pittijbailey: right, thanks09:13
pittijbailey: that was a hard one...09:13
spaynejbailey: it must be because when i remove the device, it says "ndiswrapper failed to load the windows driver"09:13
jbaileypitti: Yeah, I had gone over that stuff, and for some reason had the impression that it should be calling udevstart correctly.  Sorry for the hassle.09:13
jbaileyspayne: This is despite it not loading?09:14
martinhjnow I have tried to use both 0.23 and 0.24 to create a initramfs image but I can't use the lilo command to update the mbr09:14
martinhjboot works fine09:14
jbaileyspayne: Or did it load once succesfully?09:14
spaynejbailey: it has never loaded succesfully on the 2.6.12 kernels09:14
spaynejbailey: only on the old 2.6.10 hoary ones09:14
jbaileymartinhj: So when it was working before, it wasn't with lilo?09:14
spaynejbailey: despite it not loading, the ndiswrapper rror appears09:14
martinhjjbailey: yes, but I need to boot with a initrd-image to use the lilo user space program09:15
mdzmjg59: usplash integration goodness uploaded09:15
martinhjwhen I do that, I can use initramfs images to boot just fine09:15
jbaileymartinhj: Oh?  Okay, so the initramfs bit is working, it's lilo that's unhappy.  Got it. =)09:15
mjg59mdz: Rocking09:15
mdzjbailey: I encountered #14242 on my laptop as well09:16
jbaileymartinhj: Can you paste me the error message in a /msg?  We'll see if it's something obviousish.09:16
jbaileymdz: Were they both upgraded from Warty?09:16
mdzjbailey: yes09:16
martinhjjbailey: yeah sorry, I was typing before thinking makeing everything a little bit unclear:-)09:16
mdzwho runs packages.ubuntu.com?09:16
pittislomo: here?09:17
jbaileymdz: initramfs-tools populated the /etc/initramfs/modules from /etc/initrd/modules so help make sure the system is bootable.  Warty's install used to include ide-generic in there.09:17
slomopitti: yes09:17
jbaileymartinhj: It's okay, I'm threading quite heavily at the moment, too. =)09:17
pittislomo: I try to make pgadmin 3 work with the wxgtk 2.609:17
pittislomo: so far it wanted 2.509:17
spaynejbailey: is there any way of getting more detail from the output?09:17
pittislomo: "configure: error: you need to install the stc package from wxWindows/contrib/src/stc"09:17
pittislomo: however, there is no -contrib for 2.6, only for 2.409:17
spaynejbailey: if you are busy, ping me when you have a free moment we can talk09:17
mdzjbailey: we should explicitly exclude ide-generic, ide-disk, ext2 and ext3 from that migration09:17
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jbaileymdz: Will do/09:18
pittislomo: any idea about that?09:18
slomopitti: no idea... i don't really know anything about wx ;) i just fixed something to let it compile again09:18
pittislomo: ah, ok; I just looked in the changelog :-)09:19
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pittidoko: do you know about wxgtk?09:19
pittiHi carstenh 09:19
carstenhhi pitti 09:19
CarlFKbefore I start filing bug reports (not even sure on what yet...) should a user be able to start/stop a modem connection to the Internet without sudo?09:20
jbaileymartinhj: Can you please file that in bugzilla, and assign it to me?  I don't understand why lilo would give dev-mapper ioctl errors.  Might be something crazy with using /dev/root and lvm rather than some name it knows about.09:20
martinhjI don't know.. it's strange since it works if I use initrd image09:21
martinhjI can try to diff the loaded modules09:21
jbaileyspayne: I'm just trying to think of the best way of doing this.  If you can modprobe it by hand, then it seems like it might be trying to do something special, or locking something.09:22
martinhjjbailey: what do I pick to assign it to you?09:22
jbaileymartinhj: There's a box to put an email address in the assigned to bit.  Please put jbailey@ubuntu.com in there.09:22
martinhjok, I will09:22
jbaileyThanks09:23
spaynejbailey: although, when modprobing by hand, i need to insert it, modprobe and remove it about three times to get it working09:24
martinhjjbailey: what package should I assign it to? lvm, lilo, something to do with mkinitramfs?09:24
spaynejbailey: but i have had to do this on other distros - not just ubuntu09:24
jbaileymartinhj: Erm.  You ask hard questions.09:24
jbaileymartinhj: Make it initramfs-tools for now so that it shows up on my quick searches.09:25
jbaileyspayne: Have you seen http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9942 ?  Is there a different between on battery and not?09:25
martinhjjbailey: but I can't set it assigned to you email address.. I'll put it in "cc"09:25
spaynejbailey: none at all09:26
jbaileymartinhj: 'k, thanks.  That might be one of the new permissions things that got put in.09:26
jbaileyspayne: Part of what I'm looking for is to match it problems that others are reporting.  ndiswrapper is common enough that I'm worried that your problem might not be generic...09:26
jbaileyspayne: As in, it might be specific to your laptop / card / driver / zodiac sign.09:27
jbaileyspayne: Since we're dealing with binary drivers there, it could be quite difficult to troubleshoot.09:27
mjg59jbailey: Well, we have the source to ndiswrapper, at least09:27
jbaileymjg59: Oh, I'm not giving up yet.  I'm just surprised to not get any other hits with the same problem.09:28
spaynejbailey: i can imagine09:28
jbaileymjg59: Want an untested initramfs that mounts /dev earlier?  You can move your usplash file to init-top instead of init-premount then.09:28
mjg59jbailey: Sure, give me a moment - I'm just about to do a usplash upload09:29
sladenagain?09:29
martinhjjbailey: it's commited09:30
jbaileymartinhj: Thanks.  I'll chew on it a bit more later today.09:30
mjg59jbailey: Oh, one thing I meant to ask. Which was the right hook for "install this module, but don't modprobe it"?09:30
jbaileymanual_add_modules09:31
mjg59jbailey: Ok, that's what I thought. Cool.09:32
jbaileymjg59: The other one is cleverly named force_load.  I will put a HACKING file together soonish for it.09:32
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jbaileymjg59: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/initramfs-tools_0.25_all.deb09:33
Treenaksmjg59: more attractive? new image? :)09:33
mjg59Treenaks: Indeed09:33
Treenakswhoa09:33
zygapitti: ping09:36
mjg59jbailey: Heh. It might be nice to have a /dev/null at that point:)09:37
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pittiHi zyga 09:37
Simiraanyone, what's this ubotu-bot good for?09:37
zygapitti: there are some problems with polish translations09:37
zygapitti: I'm working on resolving them on #launchpad09:37
zygapitti: short story: incorrectly tagged .po files produce corrputed stuff in rosetta09:38
zygapitti: I've written a small script that converts all latin-2 .po files to utf8 09:38
jbaileymjg59: Bah. =)09:38
jbaileyActually, hmm.09:38
pittizyga: can we please discuss this tomorrow? I'm about to leave09:38
jbaileyI don't think you have /dev/null at that point now. =)09:38
zygapitti: as carlos suggested I've downloaded language-pack and -support source packages09:38
zygapitti: okay :>09:38
zygajust a short question, ok?09:38
zygawhat's a .poe file? they seem to be in language-support files and are identical to .po09:39
mjg59jbailey: I get an error about /dev/null not existing, which seems slightly odd since I don't reference it anywhere in my script file09:39
jbaileymjg59: YezBoz.09:39
mjg59Oh, I guess it might be from one of the functions09:39
jbaileymjg59: New 0.25 version on people.09:41
mjg59jbailey: Ok, will grab in a second09:41
mjg59jbailey: Hmm. Interesting. No errors, but silent usplash failure to start.09:45
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sivangtgall: ping again, I'm back09:49
mdzthere's a new one: "Ubtuntu"09:52
louie'ubuntu, but with more T'?09:53
azeemlouie: that's ututoe, or whatever it's called09:54
azeemmore t's, not more Ubuntu09:54
sivangwhat is Ubtuntu ?09:58
bddebianYou mean Utnubu ?09:59
tgallsivang: pong!10:00
mpt"More tea?" "Please."10:00
sivangtgall: yeah, at least we sync up :)10:01
tgallthis is true!10:01
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tgallsivang: do you have any idea who does "official" isos or anything ?10:01
sivangtgall: I bet this is Kamion (Colin Watson)10:01
sivangtgall: but he is probably away for some holiday, I think I've heared he should return on wedensday or something10:02
tgallgreat10:02
tgallbe nice to see if we can start to get the ppc64 ibm support into some builds10:02
sivangtgall: we should then ping him up and let him have a round on the mkisofs flags, that should get us up and running with daily builds10:02
sivangtgall: yeah10:02
tgallsivang, yup that'd be perfect!10:02
sivangtgall: my hacking attempts on debian-cd weren't that fruitful, mdz -- do you have an exact minute to spare?10:04
mdzsivang: exact?10:04
mdzsivang: Ubtuntu is a misspelling of "Ubuntu" that I had not seen before10:04
tgallheh .. sounds like something my 2 year old would say10:05
sivangmdz: eh :) well, I was more going to ask if you know if debian-cd must have a local mirror to use, or can it use other means to produce images from?10:05
mdzsivang: it needs a local mirror10:06
mdzat least, I have never seen it used any other way10:06
sivangmdz: ok, so then I guess deb-partialmirror is my freind10:06
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sivangmdz: thx10:10
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tgallsivang, i haven't started tring to grok debiancd ...  that's on the menu for this evening10:11
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tgallsivang: I gather from your comments that one either has to build all the packages that will go onto the cd local on your box or pick them up off a mirror 10:12
tgall?10:12
sivangtgall: well, from my understanding you need to prepare a local mirror to use, and hack CONF.sh (That's a file in the debian-cd tree) to include the neccessary mkisofs flags.10:13
sivangtgall: there's a utility that mirros the archive where you tell it, sec10:13
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mdzjbailey,mjg59: we need to work out a way for usplash to cause the initramfs to be generetaed when it is installed/upgraded10:15
spaynewhy have some of the clearlooks engines been removed?10:15
spaynealthough the new Clearlooks engine is a nice blue (better than the previous one)10:16
jbaileymdz: I've tried to think about this a couple times.  The problems is that there's no promises about the users kernel.  Can we make an assumption that they'r'e going to reboot into the current kernel and that it's a Standard Ubuntu Kernel?10:16
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wasab1It should be PACKAGED10:17
wasab1I think that's a reasonable assumption!10:17
Mithrandirmdz: I think it's spelt "hooks". :-)10:18
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wasab1Can you rebuild all initramfs for all installed kernel packages?10:18
infinityYes, you can, but it's also not a very smart idea.10:19
mdzjbailey: no, the process needs to be coordinated with the kernel packages10:19
mdzjbailey: e.g., the kernel drops a file someplace saying "I need to be kicked when initramfs changes"10:19
infinityThat means that upgrading initramfs-tools or usplash could potentially render the whole system unbooteable, because all your working initrds could go away.10:19
jbaileywasab1: Sure, the formula of installed kernel package to initramfs name is easy.  But breaking standby rescue kernels could be... sad.10:19
wasab1Hmm.10:19
jbaileyBenC: ping? ^^10:19
wasab1usplash should be disabled for rescue kernels then?10:19
mdzjbailey: by default, we provide the vmlinuz/initrd.img symlinks10:20
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mdzjbailey: we should only touch that kernel10:20
wasab1I'm just the penut gallary.10:20
jbaileywasab1: It's not just usplash.  It's any case where someone keeps a safe kernel around.10:20
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mjg59wasab1: It already is10:21
jbaileyUgh, there's two places in the udev init script where it checks to see if /dev is a tmpfs.  I had only caught one of them before.10:21
jbaileyAt least that's not evidence of my insanity.10:21
sivangtgall: I am going to prepare a an archive copy using  debpartial-mirror, then play with debian-cd on it (I'm preparing it now)10:25
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tgallsivang, hope it all works well!   I figured I'd dive into this, this evening10:25
sivangtgall: Cool :) I will be able to test that only tommorow, when I'm near the machine , I will just have the repo ready :)10:26
infinityHrm.  Is a postinst that fails because the user deleted a conffile "wrong", or has the user just shot himself in the foot and all bets are off?10:27
sivangtgall: tommorow means about 9 to 10 hours from now for me10:27
tgallsivang, ah .. you must be in europe!10:27
tgallevening for me means in about 5 hours10:27
sivangtgall: mail me / add to the wiki page if you have any progress10:29
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tgallsivang, shall do!10:30
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hughsie anyone got an asus or ibm laptop that they use /proc/acpi to change the brightness for?10:33
hughsieI've written a toshiba backend for hal, but i don;t have asus or ibm hardware10:33
Burgundaviahughsie, LaptopTestingTeam for contact inof10:34
Makakohughsie: I have an ASUS L3800C10:34
Burgundaviahughsie, those sort of things can be tested with these people --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam10:34
sivangtgall: great, thx10:34
hughsieBurgundavia: thank, checking now10:35
hughsieMakako: how do you change your brightness on your asus?10:35
MakakoWith the keyboard. :)10:36
Makakocat /proc/acpi/video/VGAC/LCD/brightness sez: <not supported>10:36
hughsieMakako, what about echo "4" > /proc/acpi/asus/brn?10:37
Makakoworks10:38
infinitymdz : Dude, you forgot to bump all the binary package revisions in debian/rules in your lrm uploads.10:38
hughsiesweet.10:38
infinitymdz : Binary uploads are being rejected.10:38
hughsieMakako, i'm adding SetLCDBrightness() to HAL10:39
hughsieso we can do platform neutral adjustments10:39
mdzMithrandir: ping?10:39
Burgundaviahughsie, your laptop work rocks.10:39
mjg59hughsie: There's support for some Sonys, too10:39
mdzMithrandir: what's happening with #13905?10:39
mdzinfinity: I fucking hate that thing10:39
hughsiemjg59: what module?10:39
mjg59hughsie: sony_acpi10:40
infinitymdz : Me too.  Shall I fix it to not require voodoo on every upload?10:40
hughsieBurgundavia: thanks!10:40
hughsiemjg59: thanks.10:40
infinitymjg59 : Have you noticed that usplash is FTBFS?10:40
mjg59Can't remember if it's mainline10:40
mjg59infinity: Oh, crap. Now what?10:40
hughsiemjg59: do you own such a beauty?10:40
Makakohughsie: How are you achieving platform neutral support?10:40
mjg59hughsie: Nope10:40
mdzinfinity: YES10:40
mjg59hughsie: Panasonic_acpi, too10:40
hughsieMakako: thru hal, and clever method support10:40
mdzinfinity: or at the very least it should blow up if you try to build a different source version with identical _minor10:40
hughsielike power management10:40
hughsiemjg59: thanks10:41
infinitymdz : Yeah, I'll just fix it up the same way I fixed up apache1.3 (which used a very similar scheme... I blame Fabio..)10:41
Makakohughsie: Ah, so SetLCDBrightness() does the dirty work of platform specific parameters10:41
hughsieMakako, exactly, and thats the bit I'm coding now :-)10:41
MakakoVery nice10:41
infinitymdz : It'll be a day or two down the TODO though, so you may want to just upload with bumped minors for now. :)10:41
hughsieMakako: you can help if you wish10:42
infinitymjg59 : usplash.c:67: error: 'logfile' undeclared (first use in this function)10:42
Makakohughsie: It would be a pleasure10:42
mjg59infinity: Yeah, got it10:42
mdzinfinity: done10:42
Burgundaviahughsie, when you have some packages to test or need some feedback of any kind, use the laptop testing mailing list or #ubuntu-laptop10:42
hughsieMakako: could you find (google is your friend) how we can change the brightness for acpi_sony, acpi_panasonic, acpi_ibm like this link does for asus : http://www.taupro.com/wiki/ChemBook/LCDdisplayPowerConfiguration10:43
hughsieBurgundavia: I tend to send all patches to hal-devel - i'm quite a regular there10:44
mjg59hughsie: It's probably worth noting that these methods tend to be flaky10:44
mjg59hughsie: They don't usually work on all machines10:44
hughsiemjg59: but better than /proc/acpi/video10:44
mjg59Oh, yes10:44
hughsiemjg59: wrapping this in HAL-foo allows the backend to change tosysfs and not impact userspace at any time10:44
crispin_hughsie: I can't see any way through acpi on my IBM x3110:45
hughsie(when the acpi kernel guys feel like it that is)10:45
hughsiecrispin_: /proc/acpi/ibm?10:45
crispin_nothing in there looks like the LCD brightness10:46
mjg59hughsie: ibm-acpi only has brightness control if the experimental option is passed10:46
hughsiemjg59: sounds good. more ppl will clamour for that feature10:46
mjg59hughsie: Oh, we have g-p-m in an almost usable state in Breezy - however, it doesn't seem to get any button events10:46
hughsiemjg59: yes, i see! Are you using a new 2.6.13?10:47
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mjg59No10:47
hughsiesometime in 2.6.12rcX they changed to using the generic hotkey that broke hal pretty bad10:47
mjg59Yeah, we disable that10:47
hughsieand Andrew and Linus got mad at Larry, and he changed it back10:47
mjg59That's not the problem10:47
hughsiedoes hal get the event?10:48
HiddenWolfGuys, that new xorg pulls in 52 packages on a dist-upgrade. Is that ok?10:48
mjg59HiddenWolf: From Hoary? Yes.10:48
mjg59hughsie: What's the easiest way to tell?10:48
HiddenWolfmjg59, breezy upgrade10:48
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infinityHiddenWolf : Yes, it's normal.10:48
rtcmHiddenWolf: it's the x-base clients10:48
infinityHiddenWolf : It's all the "missing" binaries coming back to xbase-clients and xutils.10:48
mjg59hughsie: Well, to be fair, hal-device-manager isn't listing any ACPI devices10:48
HiddenWolfah, ok.10:49
mjg59So it's presumably a hal problem10:49
HiddenWolfinfinity, the last batch of things broken out, or the last things missing put back in?10:49
hughsiemjg59: what hal version?10:49
mjg59Give me a sec, just making sure I'm on the latest10:49
hughsiemjg59: hal has had *loads* of new stuff in 0.5.410:50
mjg59hughsie: It's almost certainly not 0.5.410:50
mjg59But I thought this stuff was supposed to be working ages ago?10:50
hughsiemjg59: 0.5.2 should have the acpi stuff10:51
mjg590.5.310:51
hughsiecould you do me a trace of hald --daemon=no verbose=yes please10:51
mdzdoes anyone here know about pppoe/pppoeconf?10:51
mdzI haven't had to use them in years10:51
mdzand there seems to be at least one problem being reported frequently10:52
NafalloI've use them, I had to debug a problem with them this past weekend.10:53
jbaileymdz: Failing everything else, I think bradb's provider might still do pppoe, I could try to sync up with him for troubleshooting.10:53
infinityAww, crap.10:53
mjg59hughsie: Ah, hang on - it's probably because of the missing /proc/acpi/button crap10:53
Nafallowhat's the problem?10:54
mdzNafallo: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1410210:54
hughsiemjg59: yes, that's the change that Andrew went mad about10:54
mjg59Yeah, we've got that rectified as well10:54
infinitymdz : A mess of xbase-clients' dependencies ended up in universe (which, I suppose, is where they probably do belong, but..) and xbase-clients is either directly or indirectly a build-dep of many things in main.10:54
mdzNafallo: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856810:54
mjg59I'm just not running the latest kernel on this machine10:54
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hughsiemjg59: okay, thanks :-)10:54
infinitymdz : Do we bring all those little apps back to main (so xbase-clients, which is in main, becomes installable again), or should I spend a mess of time hunting down every xbase-client dep and replacing it with something saner?10:55
infinitymdz : I assume a germinate run will just insist on promoting a bunch of stuff to main, due to xbase-clients and xutils pulling them in, which is probably the path of least resistance.10:55
mdzinfinity: germinating10:55
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mdzmjg59: no main inclusion report for irda-utils; wasn't that one of yours?10:58
mjg59mdz: Oh, yes, good point10:58
mjg59mdz: Give me 5 minutes?10:58
mdzmjg59: sure10:58
mdzmjg59: otoh, toshset has one but it isn't seeded yet10:59
HiddenWolfGuys, I just noticed that grub doesn't pick up on my windows install anymore. update-grub removes it from the menu.lst even.10:59
mjg59mdz: toshset is depended on by the latest acpi-support, isn't it?11:00
mjg59If not, I've screwed up11:00
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sivangmdz: how do I tell debpartial-mirror to use breezy instead of sarge that is currently uses?11:01
infinityHiddenWolf : Was it listed before or after ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST11:01
ivoksit removes it if it was before11:02
HiddenWolfinfinity, before. usually, however (read hoary) grub picked up on my windows install and added it automaticly.11:02
infinityHiddenWolf : GRUB doesn't do any autodetection of Windows partition, only the installer does.  If you later accidentally move around the Windows entry in menu.lst so it's in the autogenerated area, it will go away on update-grub.11:02
mdzinfinity: xbase-clients deps promoted to main11:02
ivoksHiddenWolf: nope, he added it after11:02
mdzinfinity: should be much happier after cron.daily11:02
infinitymdz : Danke.11:02
HiddenWolfinfinity, I added it with the boot tool in the menu, which added it before the end of the automagic list. This then got overwritten.11:03
mdzmjg59: not by the current version in the archive, no11:03
HiddenWolfI guess I need to file a bug on whatever that boot tool is named then?11:03
infinityHiddenWolf : Then the boot tool is the buggy applicatoin for adding it in the wrong place.  Fire away in bugzilla. :)11:03
mdzmjg59: (0.25)11:03
HiddenWolfinfinity, what's the package?11:03
mjg59mdz: Grah. Crap.11:03
infinityHiddenWolf : dpkg -S /usr/bin/boot-admin11:04
mjg59hughsie: Ok, hal finds them, but g-p-m is still doing nothing11:04
Nafallomdz: I have no clue about #14102 (I use hoary for my router), but couldn't #8568 be two default routes?11:06
hughsiemjg59: what event do you get with hal? can you do lshal --monitor plz11:06
hughsieand then hammer a button :-)11:07
Nafallomdz: (not that i used kubuntu though ;-))11:07
mjg59hughsie: Nothing11:07
mjg59But it's getting ACPI battery events11:07
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Nafallonight guys11:08
hughsiemjg59: odd. you using acpid or plain /proc/acpi ?11:09
mjg59 /proc/acpi11:09
hughsiemjg59: odder11:09
mjg59I disabled acpid in order to stop it interfering11:09
hughsiesure, good more11:09
hughsie*move11:09
hughsiecould you do hald --verbose plz11:09
hughsieand then hammer a button11:10
hughsiesounds like a hal bug11:10
sivangmdz: err, sorry, I found the conffile...never mind11:10
mjg59hughsie: Nothing11:11
hughsiemjg59: not cool.11:12
hughsiedid acpid button event work?11:12
mjg59hughsie: Yup11:12
mjg59Just grabbing the latest package to confirm11:12
hughsiemjg59: you're right, hal's ignoring the events11:13
mjg59Ok, certainly not happening11:13
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Mitariohello11:16
hughsiemjg59: do you have hal-addon-acpi running?11:17
ajmitchmorning11:17
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mptmdz: Should the event-notifier idea described by pitti and yourself in http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-June/008392.html become a UBZ BoF?11:20
mjg59hughsie: No, it doesn't seem to have started it11:21
mjg59hughsie: In fact, it doesn't appear to be installed11:22
HiddenWolfmvo, your reply to 14228, what is that? a novel? ;)11:22
HiddenWolfmvo, cheers mate.11:22
mvoHiddenWolf: heh :) it's a tricky problem11:23
mvoHiddenWolf: what do you think about it? which one of the alternatives do sound good to you?11:24
HiddenWolfmvo, heh, yeah. Left me puzzled. I was about to start downloading a hoary kernel for my breezy upgrade. ;)11:24
HiddenWolfI'd say put it in a package, and get that package into warty/hoary as well, just to make sure. But I'm not the expert, just the guy that ran into it and knew where to file a report.11:25
infinityNo reason to bring the package back to older releases.11:25
infinityIf ubuntu-desktop depends on it, you're good to go.11:25
mvohaving a package does not feel right, but it would be a solution that works now(tm)11:26
infinitymvo : Well, the other option is just to smack all the default sources.list lines for breezy on the bottom of the existing file, so they now have both hoary and breezy (and can disable hoary on their own)... Ick.11:27
infinityOf course, you sitll need something to do that work.11:27
mvoinfinity: yes, if we do that too often mmap will complain loudly ;)11:28
infinity:)11:28
infinityThe default limit now is pretty huge.11:28
infinityI run with a sources.list that's unreasonably large at times.11:28
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mvoi can easily kill it with tranlated package descriptions11:29
HiddenWolfOh, and guys. I just got kicked out of usplash (albeit old version) when fsck decided it needed to check my /home. Nearly gave me a heart-attack. :P11:29
hughsiemjg59: phone, sorry11:29
mvobut yes, the limit is good otherwise :)11:29
infinityHiddenWolf : usplash has a timeout where it drops to the console if it hasn't seen any input for a while.11:30
mjg59HiddenWolf: Yeah, that could be improved11:30
HiddenWolfI was just pionting out the heart-attack factor. 11:30
sivangdoes anyone know if we have a baz version of debpartial-mirror that's used for Ubuntu somewhere?11:31
mjg59mdz: Ok, added11:31
HiddenWolfI'd say in this case, you should have usplash print a message "we're checking to see if the disc is ok, this might take a _long_ time"  - the checking filesystem message it displays now is rather unfriendly. :P11:31
sivang(the installable package is configured to use sarge, and when modified just stops after fetching Packags.gz files)11:31
mvomdz: do you have a opinion on #14228 (I tossed around some ideas)? 11:33
infinitysivang : Try debmirror, it sucks (a little) less.11:35
infinitysivang : Or, if you just want to exclude some architectures, try this script, wiht appropriate values filled in:11:36
infinitysivang : http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/anonftpsync11:36
sivanginfinity: yes, I want to grab the main ppc64 archive11:37
infinitysivang : powerpc, you mean.  There is no ppc64. :)11:37
sivanginfinity: ah right :)11:37
sivanginfinity: also to change fetching code to suit ubuntu, I use http://archive.ubuntu.com/dist/breezy ?11:38
infinityYou missed an ubuntu in that URL.11:38
sivanginfinity: sorry, that is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/11:38
infinityBasically, if you're modifying debian mirror scripts, s/debian/ubuntu/ should be enough to get you where you want to be.11:39
sivanginfinity: that holds for debmirror *and* anonftpsync ?11:40
mjg59mdz: And new acpi-support fixes the toshset depends11:41
sivanginfinity: thx so far :)11:42
infinityOur archive layouts are identical ({ubuntu,debian}/{pool,dists}), we just have different compnent names (which most mirror scripts don't take into account unless you specifically specify components) and different dists (same argument)11:43
infinityspecifically specify?... Yay redundancy.11:44
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sivanginfinity: lol, say, what does --root signifies?11:47
sivang(Won't mirror without dists/breezy/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1174.)11:48
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sivangI guessed this error has something to do with that argument. probably wrong11:49
infinitysivang : debmirror /path/to/mirror -h archive.ubuntu.com -r /ubuntu -d breezy -a powerpc11:51
infinity(Add "-s main" to that if you don't want universe, which you probably don't, cause it's HUGE)11:51
mdzmvo: I think the upgrade-via-CD system needs more discussion11:52
mdzmvo: we need to decide exactly what it should mean to "upgrade"11:52
mdzI feel like we need a higher level preference file11:52
mdzsources.list is too random11:52
sivanginfinity: gee thanks, now I see that I invoked it completely differnt11:53
infinityYou could just dump everything in sources.list and prefer a dist with a pin.  <shudder>11:53
infinityNot intuitive for users to diagnose when it goes horribly wrong.11:53
sivanginfinity: err, keep getting the previous error - am I missing a signed key for the archive?11:55
mvoI get a bunch of conffile questions on my upgrade, about random files in /etc/X11/app-defaults. is this a known issue?11:55
infinitymvo : Yes.11:56
mvoinfinity: thanks11:56
infinitymvo : It's because the apps went away for a while and then came back.  Should be a nonissue for hoary->breezy upgrades, where the conffiles will just be migrating between packages.11:56
mvoinfinity: ah, it's that dpkg bug 11:56
JanCWTF, Mandriva releases a security update of python because of a bug in _pcre_ ?11:58
sivanginfinity: anyway, I'm out (gotta get some sleep for today) I am awaying my client, so just msg me or something and I'll catch that in the morning11:58
JanCpython doesn't use pcre AFAIK ?11:58
infinitymvo : Not a bug, really.12:00
infinitymvo : Oh, well, I guess one part of it may be a bug.  <ponders>... Anyhow, it's worked around in the release->release upgrade case, and we'll double-check that.12:00

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