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| Madpilot | anyone here? how do I change the email address my Ubuntu wiki/doc-list stuff comes to? | 02:21 |
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| Madpilot | anyone able to tell me how to change my email address for the -docs list? | 02:56 |
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| mpt | Madpilot: Look at the List-Info header for any mailing list message you receive | 03:07 |
| Madpilot | mpt: thanks | 03:07 |
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| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 04:03 |
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| Burgundavia | salut robitaille | 04:06 |
| robitaille | hello Burgundavia | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | hmm im beginning to like OOo 2 | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i didnt know there was a kubuntu shop | 04:08 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: to continue on a discussion from the other night, here is the blog entry from joey hess about Ubuntu I mentioned: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ubuntu_braindump-2004-10-21-00-43.html | 04:09 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco: happy birthday! | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, thanks | 04:10 |
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| Burgundavia | robitaille, thanks for the info | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, Madpilot, myself and robitaille got together the other night at Madpilot's place | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | is the wiki down for anyone else? | 04:15 |
| Madpilot | yeah, the first Victoria Ubuntu meet - it was good to meet robitaille & spread cat5 all over my living room (no wireless here...) | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | oohh so you finally had your first loco meeting | 04:15 |
| Madpilot | the wiki works fine here, Burgundavia | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | our first loco meeting didnt have any computers at all (just beer) | 04:15 |
| Madpilot | we had computers but no beer (I was out...) | 04:15 |
| Madpilot | ;) | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, i've read this before somewhere..hmmm | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | is it a good idea to show the latest breezy crack in a linuxworld talk? | 04:19 |
| Burgundavia | ok, now it works | 04:19 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, absolutely | 04:19 |
| robitaille | Madpilot: ah...that's why I had to beg for water a couple of hours in the meeting :) | 04:20 |
| robitaille | a Victoria loco team has a nice ring to it :) | 04:20 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: heh. sorry about that - I was getting pretty dry from all the talking myself by the time you all left | 04:21 |
| === Madpilot makes note: buy beer & juice before next Victoria loco meeting here | ||
| === robitaille will have to bring something as well. | ||
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, what's our showstopper features? Gnome 2.12, OOo 2, KDE 3.x, LTSP, anything more? | 04:22 |
| Burgundavia | QuickTourDraft? | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | right | 04:22 |
| robitaille | Evince! | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | well i can't fit all those in one slide | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, Evince is part of 2.12 | 04:23 |
| Madpilot | laptop support? | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, right | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | (with emphasis on rigorous testing) | 04:23 |
| Burgundavia | I got the basic html/css stuff going last night | 04:23 |
| Burgundavia | be porting the contents tonight and then into SVN RSN | 04:23 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: want to send me the HTML/CSS for a look & polishing? | 04:24 |
| Burgundavia | is one my laptop | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | just a sec | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | does anyone know what version of KDE we are shipping | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | 3.4.2 | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | gotcha confirmed | 04:29 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: if you're going to send me the HTML/CSS, pls send to my gmail addy (or have you already?) | 04:31 |
| Burgundavia | not yet | 04:32 |
| Burgundavia | I will go offline for a short while | 04:32 |
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| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 04:58 |
| Burgundavia | maybe swap the order, so that adding it before how to make it? | 04:58 |
| Madpilot | good point | 04:58 |
| mpt | Anyone here know if NetworkManager is going to make Breezy? | 05:18 |
| mpt | I'm trying to write instructions on how to connect with WPA in NetworkManager-less system, and it's horrid | 05:18 |
| robitaille | is there an easy way to lock a wiki page. People keep adding themselves to the end of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Requests | 05:25 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: maybe you should add a big piece of text at the top AND bottom of the page saying it's closed? | 05:28 |
| robitaille | Madpilot: yeah...that's what I was thinking. I'll make it obvious, and point them to the correct testing page. | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | mpt, im afraid it was deferred since NM is still quite immature | 05:34 |
| mpt | woo. hoo. | 05:35 |
| mpt | ok | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | mpt, i believe my baz experience is caused by an old version hence i upgraded | 05:35 |
| mpt | ah | 05:36 |
| mpt | Maybe you got the version in main because of my initial incorrect instructions | 05:36 |
| mpt | rather than the version on bazaar.canonical.com | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | yes so basically 1.5 should address it (although i haven't tested yet) | 05:36 |
| mpt | robitaille: For goodness sake, the page still says "we'll be sending some machines to community members". Before adding big text to the top and bottom, why not just fix the out-of-date info? :-) | 05:37 |
| mpt | not to mention complaining that people are adding themselves to the bottom of a table where the page says "please add yourself to the table below" | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeFoot -> are we doing this in Breezy? | 05:40 |
| Madpilot | I"ve already done it to my Hoary install, just for fun | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | i believe mpt griped about it after hoary got released | 05:41 |
| Madpilot | actually, I should edit GnomeFoot, because the Ubuntu forums have an easier way of doing it... | 05:42 |
| robitaille | mpt: first line in bold characters: "This pages is left for the archive. At the current time, no new people will be accepted" | 05:45 |
| robitaille | personally I would be tempted to simply delete it... | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | err where is the temp cache of firefox? | 05:46 |
| mpt | robitaille: Even so, no point in having it self-contradictory | 05:47 |
| mpt | but I've fixed the page now | 05:47 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco: ~/.mozilla/firefox/[something random] /Cache | 05:47 |
| mpt | robitaille: Is there a separate page listing the people who actually got the laptops? (As opposed to the entire laptop testing team?) | 05:48 |
| Madpilot | mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam | 05:49 |
| mpt | ah, so the page can be nuked then | 05:50 |
| mpt | I second your proposal robitaille | 05:50 |
| mpt | Do we have a thirder? | 05:50 |
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| Burgundavia | mpt, Nm will not make Breezy | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, code is not mature enough. Expect it for +1 | 05:54 |
| Madpilot | mpt: you mean nuke the whole /Requests page? | 05:55 |
| mpt | Madpilot: yes | 05:55 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: Do you concur? | 05:56 |
| mpt | </catchmeifyoucan> | 05:56 |
| robitaille | Madpilot: yes. It is there only for historical purposes. People keep adding themselves even with the warnings. And anyway we now have to add big bold links to the LaptopTestingTeam page | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, mpt nuke the existing content and leave it as "Requests are closed" | 05:56 |
| mpt | 'tis done. | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | http://verbosio.mozdev.org/ | 06:00 |
| mpt | Darn, I thought you were pointing to some cool plug-in for helping writers pare down their words | 06:01 |
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| Burgundavia | grr | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | xchat doesn't handle the network going away very well | 06:43 |
| Madpilot | what are you doing? swapping one plug back and forth between desktop & laptop? | 06:46 |
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| HrdwrBoB | hey | 06:47 |
| HrdwrBoB | some people can't afford network cables | 06:47 |
| Madpilot | routers are a good thing, too (but not very cheap, and they've stayed expensive while other stuff gets cheaper...) | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | I have lots of cable | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | should string it now | 06:50 |
| Madpilot | man - cheapest 10/100 router I can see at either of my usual online comp stores is ~$50 Cdn | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | which is exactly what I paid for mine two-three years ago... ick | 06:52 |
| mpt | ok, silly question | 07:05 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, you can get cheaper. 24 for a wired one | 07:05 |
| mpt | Where should my GPG fingerprint and public key live? | 07:05 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm | 07:05 |
| Burgundavia | .gpg? | 07:05 |
| Burgundavia | .gnupg | 07:05 |
| mpt | what's the exact filename? :-) | 07:05 |
| === mpt suspects MacGPG might use different names | ||
| rob^ | .gnupg | 07:06 |
| Burgundavia | secring.gpg? | 07:06 |
| rob^ | look at the files under there | 07:06 |
| mpt | yes, I've already got that far | 07:06 |
| rob^ | cant you just import the key? | 07:07 |
| mpt | I guess so | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, seahorse is a nice gui program to handle keys | 07:07 |
| mpt | why didn't I think of that | 07:07 |
| mpt | thanks rob^ and Burgundavia | 07:08 |
| rob^ | http://webber.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html#toc8 | 07:08 |
| rob^ | thats a good howto | 07:08 |
| rob^ | umm elmo takes care of svn access doesn't he? | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 07:09 |
| rob^ | I need a new password | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | ping him | 07:09 |
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| rob^ | hes not here | 07:10 |
| === Burgundavia also did that | ||
| Burgundavia | he is in -devel | 07:10 |
| rob^ | yeah | 07:10 |
| rob^ | I just noticed | 07:10 |
| mpt | ffs | 07:11 |
| === mpt just clicked one of those little brown squares at the botttom right, and thought everything had crashed... | ||
| Madpilot | mpt: you mean the virtual desktop switcher? :) | 07:12 |
| mpt | yes | 07:13 |
| rob^ | heh | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, I used to think that the virtual desktop thingy was bad for new users, but then I saw the feedback we got when it was suggest we remove it | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, now I think I need more empirical evidence | 07:13 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: in other words, you need to see how Andrea reacts to it? | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, ya | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | badly, I'm thinking | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | and more | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | I don't know that | 07:14 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: I;m very used to that kind of feedback | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | the thread that was started about it suggested that virtual desktops were easier to understand than main task bars | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, regardless, I would like to see more useful feedback | 07:15 |
| mpt | I guess the Firefox maintainers are too | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | other than people saying "it is not useful" | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, tabbed browsing? | 07:15 |
| mpt | no, things like everything people want to add to the context menus | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | the context menus in FF are total crack | 07:16 |
| mpt | yeah | 07:16 |
| mpt | they should have just followed my spec :-) | 07:17 |
| mpt | but, they're not as bad as those in the Mozilla suite were. | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | 12 items by default? | 07:17 |
| mpt | the Firefox devs have had a lot of practice at saying "no" | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 07:17 |
| mpt | as can be seen in their original manifesto | 07:17 |
| mpt | And I would disagree with people saying virtual desktops are "not useful" | 07:18 |
| mpt | I'm sure they are useful, for some people | 07:18 |
| mpt | but not for the sort of people who don't have the skill and courage to configure stuff like that | 07:18 |
| mpt | therefore they should be something you turn on, not something you turn off | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | one major flaw with the desktop switcher is that it doesn | 07:19 |
| Madpilot | in Breezy are they on or off by default? | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | t show you what application is focused on that desktop | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, on | 07:19 |
| mpt | on | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | likely one of the major discussions at Montreal | 07:20 |
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| mpt | Was anything like that discussed at Sydney? | 07:22 |
| Burgundavia | no idea, ask jerome | 07:22 |
| mpt | The Ubuntu default panel setup could do with a fair bit of improvement | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | we don't change much from default | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | s/default/upstream default | 07:23 |
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| mpt | hmm, gpg doesn't trust it | 07:28 |
| mpt | that could be a problem | 07:28 |
| rob^ | check out that howto | 07:28 |
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| rob^ | hey, I just sent a patch for the faq guide to the list due to not having commit access until elmo resets my password, can someone apply it for me | 07:41 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, quite coincidentally, I was just thinking about documenting gstreamer-plugins-multiveres | 07:44 |
| rob^ | yeah, I was doing some asking around | 07:45 |
| rob^ | I asked about gstreamer0.8-lame not being there | 07:45 |
| rob^ | 2 days later it was | 07:46 |
| rob^ | grr I'm having some real issues with cdrecord | 07:48 |
| rob^ | blanking cdrw's isn't working | 07:50 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 10:53 |
| rob^ | hey | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: so you did loose your account | 10:55 |
| rob^ | no | 10:57 |
| rob^ | just didn't write down my password and had to do a reinstall | 10:58 |
| mdke | uhoh | 10:59 |
| mdke | still got your key? | 10:59 |
| rob^ | nup | 10:59 |
| rob^ | lost that too | 11:00 |
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| rob^ | I was playing with my fonts and broke something | 11:00 |
| mdke | oh no | 11:00 |
| rob^ | it was late.. I wasn't thinking. | 11:00 |
| mdke | always backup your key | 11:00 |
| mdke | have you got a revocation cert. | 11:01 |
| rob^ | maybe.. | 11:01 |
| rob^ | I did make one | 11:01 |
| mdke | ok cool | 11:01 |
| mdke | well for now we are happy to apply your patches | 11:01 |
| mdke | its no problem | 11:01 |
| rob^ | hmm I must have nuked that too | 11:02 |
| mdke | i'll bbl | 11:02 |
| mdke | sorry I haven't done any reviewing of the faqguide yet | 11:02 |
| rob^ | thats ok | 11:02 |
| mdke | i'm moving house so it's gonna be a bit tricky right now | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | im quite busy myself | 11:03 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, hi, i'm just on my way off | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | i have yet to finish my slides | 11:03 |
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| rob^ | any one have any idea how to flip upside down and inverse a video? | 11:04 |
| rob^ | we recorded an install using vmware, but it turned out weard | 11:04 |
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| jsgotangco | i'll review your docs later | 11:14 |
| rob^ | cool | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 11:18 |
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| jsgotangco | i see you have made an Ubuntu presentation before | 11:18 |
| rob^ | yep | 11:18 |
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| rob^ | :) | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | i need it for LinuxWorld | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 11:18 |
| rob^ | cool go right ahead | 11:18 |
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| klepas | moin moin | 12:36 |
| rob^ | . | 12:37 |
| Madpilot | ? | 12:37 |
| rob^ | " | 12:38 |
| Madpilot | | | 12:38 |
| rob^ | ! | 12:38 |
| rob^ | yay lets chew logs | 12:38 |
| klepas | hey guys | 12:39 |
| rob^ | hi | 12:39 |
| Madpilot | someone from the UK just created this quite, quite clueless page on getting to the Montreal confrence: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/TravelHints | 12:39 |
| rob^ | heh | 12:39 |
| Madpilot | there isn't any point in flying to Halifax if you're going to Montreal, it's still another 2+ hrs by air Halifax->Montreal... | 12:40 |
| Madpilot | I'm not sure how impolite I should be in pointing this out... | 12:40 |
| rob^ | just add it to the page.... | 12:41 |
| Madpilot | am doing that - trying to get Air Canada's useless website to work with Opera to get actual travel times... | 12:41 |
| klepas | do any of you folks know what happened to the art team as of late? | 12:46 |
| klepas | anyone home? | 12:57 |
| Madpilot | hi | 12:58 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
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| mpt | Burgundavia, NetworkManager wiki page seems to need updating :-) | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, not surprised | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, g-a-i is not a userfacing name | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, and g-a-i is most there for SoftwareManager | 10:30 |
| mpt | "most there"? | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | mostly there | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | it needs some work with UI and some corner cases (multimedia codecs, etc.) | 10:36 |
| mpt | If there still needs to be two other graphical programs doing intersecting jobs, I'd disagree with that "mostly" :-) | 10:40 |
| Burgundavia | you think g-a-i should also do updating? | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | that is not hard, just have a button inside it call the update manager | 10:41 |
| mpt | No, I think what I wrote in the spec | 10:41 |
| mpt | That doesn't solve the problem, it's still multiple interfaces | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:42 |
| mpt | This isn't like, say, Gimp, which can perform hugely complicated tasks, so you might reasonably ship a simple paint program as well (but notice that Ubuntu doesn't) | 10:42 |
| mpt | even installing and uninstalling packages is a pretty trivial task | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | there is no simply paint program for linux | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences?action=diff | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | is that stuff in our svn? | 10:53 |
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