=== mpt_ [n=mpt@201-27-5-228.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-58-126.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mp1 [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-42-60.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:21] anyone here? how do I change the email address my Ubuntu wiki/doc-list stuff comes to? === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-5-228.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:56] anyone able to tell me how to change my email address for the -docs list? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-42-60.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:07] Madpilot: Look at the List-Info header for any mailing list message you receive [03:07] mpt: thanks === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:03] salut jsgotangco [04:03] hi === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:06] salut robitaille [04:07] hello Burgundavia [04:07] hmm im beginning to like OOo 2 [04:08] hmm i didnt know there was a kubuntu shop [04:09] Burgundavia: to continue on a discussion from the other night, here is the blog entry from joey hess about Ubuntu I mentioned: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ubuntu_braindump-2004-10-21-00-43.html [04:10] jsgotangco: happy birthday! [04:10] robitaille, thanks === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:13] robitaille, thanks for the info [04:13] jsgotangco, Madpilot, myself and robitaille got together the other night at Madpilot's place [04:15] is the wiki down for anyone else? [04:15] yeah, the first Victoria Ubuntu meet - it was good to meet robitaille & spread cat5 all over my living room (no wireless here...) [04:15] oohh so you finally had your first loco meeting [04:15] the wiki works fine here, Burgundavia [04:15] our first loco meeting didnt have any computers at all (just beer) [04:15] we had computers but no beer (I was out...) [04:15] ;) [04:16] robitaille, i've read this before somewhere..hmmm [04:19] is it a good idea to show the latest breezy crack in a linuxworld talk? [04:19] ok, now it works [04:19] jsgotangco, absolutely [04:20] Madpilot: ah...that's why I had to beg for water a couple of hours in the meeting :) [04:20] a Victoria loco team has a nice ring to it :) [04:21] robitaille: heh. sorry about that - I was getting pretty dry from all the talking myself by the time you all left === Madpilot makes note: buy beer & juice before next Victoria loco meeting here === robitaille will have to bring something as well. [04:22] Burgundavia, what's our showstopper features? Gnome 2.12, OOo 2, KDE 3.x, LTSP, anything more? [04:22] QuickTourDraft? [04:22] right [04:22] Evince! [04:23] well i can't fit all those in one slide [04:23] robitaille, Evince is part of 2.12 [04:23] laptop support? [04:23] Madpilot, right [04:23] (with emphasis on rigorous testing) [04:23] I got the basic html/css stuff going last night [04:23] be porting the contents tonight and then into SVN RSN [04:24] Burgundavia: want to send me the HTML/CSS for a look & polishing? [04:28] is one my laptop [04:28] just a sec [04:29] does anyone know what version of KDE we are shipping [04:29] 3.4.2 [04:29] gotcha confirmed [04:31] Burgundavia: if you're going to send me the HTML/CSS, pls send to my gmail addy (or have you already?) [04:32] not yet [04:32] I will go offline for a short while === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-41-216.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy [04:58] cool [04:58] maybe swap the order, so that adding it before how to make it? [04:58] good point [05:18] Anyone here know if NetworkManager is going to make Breezy? [05:18] I'm trying to write instructions on how to connect with WPA in NetworkManager-less system, and it's horrid [05:25] is there an easy way to lock a wiki page. People keep adding themselves to the end of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Requests [05:28] robitaille: maybe you should add a big piece of text at the top AND bottom of the page saying it's closed? [05:29] Madpilot: yeah...that's what I was thinking. I'll make it obvious, and point them to the correct testing page. [05:34] mpt, im afraid it was deferred since NM is still quite immature [05:35] woo. hoo. [05:35] ok [05:35] mpt, i believe my baz experience is caused by an old version hence i upgraded [05:36] ah [05:36] Maybe you got the version in main because of my initial incorrect instructions [05:36] rather than the version on bazaar.canonical.com [05:36] yes so basically 1.5 should address it (although i haven't tested yet) [05:37] robitaille: For goodness sake, the page still says "we'll be sending some machines to community members". Before adding big text to the top and bottom, why not just fix the out-of-date info? :-) [05:39] not to mention complaining that people are adding themselves to the bottom of a table where the page says "please add yourself to the table below" [05:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeFoot -> are we doing this in Breezy? [05:41] I"ve already done it to my Hoary install, just for fun [05:41] i believe mpt griped about it after hoary got released [05:42] actually, I should edit GnomeFoot, because the Ubuntu forums have an easier way of doing it... [05:45] mpt: first line in bold characters: "This pages is left for the archive. At the current time, no new people will be accepted" [05:46] personally I would be tempted to simply delete it... [05:46] err where is the temp cache of firefox? [05:47] robitaille: Even so, no point in having it self-contradictory [05:47] but I've fixed the page now [05:47] jsgotangco: ~/.mozilla/firefox/[something random] /Cache [05:48] robitaille: Is there a separate page listing the people who actually got the laptops? (As opposed to the entire laptop testing team?) [05:49] mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam [05:50] ah, so the page can be nuked then [05:50] I second your proposal robitaille [05:50] Do we have a thirder? === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:54] mpt, Nm will not make Breezy [05:54] mpt, code is not mature enough. Expect it for +1 [05:55] mpt: you mean nuke the whole /Requests page? [05:55] Madpilot: yes [05:56] Burgundavia: Do you concur? [05:56] [05:56] Madpilot: yes. It is there only for historical purposes. People keep adding themselves even with the warnings. And anyway we now have to add big bold links to the LaptopTestingTeam page [05:56] Madpilot, mpt nuke the existing content and leave it as "Requests are closed" [05:59] 'tis done. [06:00] http://verbosio.mozdev.org/ [06:01] Darn, I thought you were pointing to some cool plug-in for helping writers pare down their words === dhunter [n=dwayne@69-164-85-250.albyny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:43] grr [06:43] xchat doesn't handle the network going away very well [06:46] what are you doing? swapping one plug back and forth between desktop & laptop? === dwayne_ [n=dwayne@69-164-85-250.albyny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:47] hey [06:47] some people can't afford network cables [06:50] routers are a good thing, too (but not very cheap, and they've stayed expensive while other stuff gets cheaper...) [06:50] yes [06:50] I have lots of cable [06:50] should string it now [06:52] man - cheapest 10/100 router I can see at either of my usual online comp stores is ~$50 Cdn [06:52] which is exactly what I paid for mine two-three years ago... ick [07:05] ok, silly question [07:05] Madpilot, you can get cheaper. 24 for a wired one [07:05] Where should my GPG fingerprint and public key live? === mpt is copying it over from his Mac [07:05] hmm [07:05] .gpg? [07:05] .gnupg [07:05] what's the exact filename? :-) === mpt suspects MacGPG might use different names [07:06] .gnupg [07:06] secring.gpg? [07:06] look at the files under there [07:06] yes, I've already got that far [07:07] cant you just import the key? [07:07] I guess so [07:07] mpt, seahorse is a nice gui program to handle keys [07:07] why didn't I think of that [07:08] thanks rob^ and Burgundavia [07:08] http://webber.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html#toc8 [07:08] thats a good howto [07:09] umm elmo takes care of svn access doesn't he? [07:09] indeed [07:09] I need a new password [07:09] ping him === rob^ had to format his machince and forgot to back up his gpg key [07:10] hes not here === Burgundavia also did that [07:10] he is in -devel [07:10] yeah [07:10] I just noticed [07:11] ffs === mpt just clicked one of those little brown squares at the botttom right, and thought everything had crashed... [07:12] mpt: you mean the virtual desktop switcher? :) [07:13] yes [07:13] heh [07:13] mpt, I used to think that the virtual desktop thingy was bad for new users, but then I saw the feedback we got when it was suggest we remove it [07:13] mpt, now I think I need more empirical evidence [07:14] Burgundavia: in other words, you need to see how Andrea reacts to it? [07:14] Madpilot, ya [07:14] badly, I'm thinking [07:14] and more [07:14] I don't know that [07:15] Burgundavia: I;m very used to that kind of feedback [07:15] the thread that was started about it suggested that virtual desktops were easier to understand than main task bars [07:15] mpt, regardless, I would like to see more useful feedback [07:15] I guess the Firefox maintainers are too [07:15] other than people saying "it is not useful" [07:15] mpt, tabbed browsing? [07:16] no, things like everything people want to add to the context menus [07:16] the context menus in FF are total crack [07:16] yeah [07:17] they should have just followed my spec :-) [07:17] but, they're not as bad as those in the Mozilla suite were. [07:17] 12 items by default? [07:17] the Firefox devs have had a lot of practice at saying "no" [07:17] indeed [07:17] as can be seen in their original manifesto [07:18] And I would disagree with people saying virtual desktops are "not useful" [07:18] I'm sure they are useful, for some people [07:18] but not for the sort of people who don't have the skill and courage to configure stuff like that [07:19] therefore they should be something you turn on, not something you turn off [07:19] one major flaw with the desktop switcher is that it doesn [07:19] in Breezy are they on or off by default? [07:19] t show you what application is focused on that desktop [07:19] Madpilot, on [07:19] on [07:20] likely one of the major discussions at Montreal === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-191-143.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:22] Was anything like that discussed at Sydney? [07:22] no idea, ask jerome [07:23] The Ubuntu default panel setup could do with a fair bit of improvement [07:23] we don't change much from default [07:23] s/default/upstream default === mpt imports his own GPG key [07:28] hmm, gpg doesn't trust it [07:28] that could be a problem [07:28] check out that howto === Madpilot wonders why Opera doesn't make bug reports searchable... [07:41] hey, I just sent a patch for the faq guide to the list due to not having commit access until elmo resets my password, can someone apply it for me [07:44] rob^, quite coincidentally, I was just thinking about documenting gstreamer-plugins-multiveres [07:45] yeah, I was doing some asking around [07:45] I asked about gstreamer0.8-lame not being there [07:46] 2 days later it was [07:48] grr I'm having some real issues with cdrecord [07:50] blanking cdrw's isn't working === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille_ [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [n=mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:53] hey all [10:53] hey [10:55] rob^: so you did loose your account [10:57] no [10:58] just didn't write down my password and had to do a reinstall [10:59] uhoh [10:59] still got your key? [10:59] nup [11:00] lost that too === rob^ slaps head [11:00] I was playing with my fonts and broke something [11:00] oh no [11:00] it was late.. I wasn't thinking. [11:00] always backup your key [11:01] have you got a revocation cert. [11:01] maybe.. [11:01] I did make one [11:01] ok cool [11:01] well for now we are happy to apply your patches [11:01] its no problem [11:02] hmm I must have nuked that too [11:02] i'll bbl [11:02] sorry I haven't done any reviewing of the faqguide yet [11:02] thats ok [11:03] i'm moving house so it's gonna be a bit tricky right now [11:03] hey mdke [11:03] im quite busy myself [11:03] jsgotangco, hi, i'm just on my way off [11:03] i have yet to finish my slides === jsgotangco crams [11:04] any one have any idea how to flip upside down and inverse a video? [11:04] we recorded an install using vmware, but it turned out weard === ilba7r [n=ilba7r@d141-64-4.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:14] i'll review your docs later [11:14] cool [11:18] hmm === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:18] i see you have made an Ubuntu presentation before [11:18] yep === jsgotangco steals rob^'s slides [11:18] :) [11:18] i need it for LinuxWorld [11:18] hehe [11:18] cool go right ahead === Seveas [n=seveas@re-uva-47.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-143.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-55.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-42-60.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=knoppix@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142-act.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:36] moin moin [12:37] . [12:37] ? [12:38] " [12:38] | [12:38] ! [12:38] yay lets chew logs [12:39] hey guys [12:39] hi [12:39] someone from the UK just created this quite, quite clueless page on getting to the Montreal confrence: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/TravelHints [12:39] heh [12:40] there isn't any point in flying to Halifax if you're going to Montreal, it's still another 2+ hrs by air Halifax->Montreal... [12:40] I'm not sure how impolite I should be in pointing this out... [12:41] just add it to the page.... [12:41] am doing that - trying to get Air Canada's useless website to work with Opera to get actual travel times... [12:46] do any of you folks know what happened to the art team as of late? [12:57] anyone home? 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[10:35] mostly there [10:36] it needs some work with UI and some corner cases (multimedia codecs, etc.) [10:40] If there still needs to be two other graphical programs doing intersecting jobs, I'd disagree with that "mostly" :-) [10:41] you think g-a-i should also do updating? [10:41] that is not hard, just have a button inside it call the update manager [10:41] No, I think what I wrote in the spec [10:42] That doesn't solve the problem, it's still multiple interfaces [10:42] hmm [10:42] This isn't like, say, Gimp, which can perform hugely complicated tasks, so you might reasonably ship a simple paint program as well (but notice that Ubuntu doesn't) [10:43] even installing and uninstalling packages is a pretty trivial task [10:43] there is no simply paint program for linux [10:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences?action=diff [10:53] is that stuff in our svn? === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc3-lich4-3-0-cust227.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@69.156.152.156] has joined #ubuntu-doc