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| ivoks | 'evening | 12:59 |
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| Lathiat | siretart: hrm | 01:33 |
| Lathiat | siretart: ipac-gn needs a patch or its useless | 01:33 |
| Lathiat | siretart: unfortunately its a monster of a patch :( | 01:33 |
| Lathiat | siretart: it has been merged upstream tho | 01:33 |
| Lathiat | siretart: *ipac-ng | 01:33 |
| hub_ | Am I the only one to get rude answers from someone named Marillat when submitting ITP in Debian BTS? | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | ITP what? | 01:43 |
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| hub_ | some packages I have uploaded to REVU | 01:44 |
| hub_ | waiting approval from MOTU | 01:44 |
| hub_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325179 | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | hub_: ermm | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | oh | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | i see | 01:44 |
| hub_ | maybe it is not an ITP | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | yes, you dont understand what an ITP is | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | an ITP is where you intend to package it | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | and put it in debian | 01:45 |
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| Lathiat | when you are alreayd d eveloper | 01:45 |
| hub_ | but being rude like that just does not help | 01:45 |
| kiko | hey ho | 01:45 |
| tseng | yay kiko | 01:45 |
| kiko | how's it going tseng? | 01:45 |
| hub_ | Lathiat: given how unclear it is.... | 01:45 |
| kiko | I had a question | 01:45 |
| kiko | I have a few bugs to file on cvsview and zope | 01:45 |
| kiko | where should I file them, tseng? | 01:46 |
| tseng | malone | 01:46 |
| hub_ | Lathiat: it is not a reason to be insulting like he is | 01:46 |
| tseng | hm | 01:46 |
| tseng | is zope main? | 01:46 |
| kiko | nope | 01:46 |
| Lathiat | tsnope | 01:46 |
| tseng | malone :) | 01:46 |
| kiko | tseng, there's no source package for zope IIRC -- is that an issue? | 01:46 |
| tseng | Directory: pool/universe/z/zope | 01:47 |
| tseng | seems fine to me | 01:47 |
| tseng | i think zope bugs go to ajmitch or her | 01:47 |
| tseng | hever. | 01:47 |
| tseng | #$@$#@ | 01:47 |
| tseng | herve | 01:48 |
| kiko | great | 01:48 |
| tseng | cvsview, you are at the mercy of someone like \sh | 01:48 |
| tseng | jack of all trades | 01:48 |
| kiko | tseng, it's trivial | 01:51 |
| kiko | tseng, who should I CC: on the bug creation? | 01:53 |
| tseng | um | 01:54 |
| tseng | moment | 01:54 |
| kiko | tseng, motu? | 01:54 |
| tseng | yes | 01:54 |
| kiko | goodie | 01:54 |
| tseng | finding the address | 01:54 |
| tseng | apperantly "MOTU" | 01:54 |
| === kiko just CCs the motu team | ||
| tseng | yes | 01:54 |
| kiko | how are you guys dealing with the fact that no notifications are going to you by default? | 01:55 |
| kiko | that's crack | 01:55 |
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| tseng | kiko: you mean on new unassigned bugs, or what? | 01:55 |
| kiko | yeah | 01:56 |
| tseng | yeah... | 01:56 |
| tseng | that is like the #1 feature request | 01:56 |
| tseng | most of those are met with an uncomfortable "um... ill have to talk to mark about that.." | 01:56 |
| tseng | pretty bogus | 01:56 |
| kiko | we're about to fix that | 01:56 |
| tseng | great | 01:56 |
| kiko | we're going to change the way subscriptions work slightly | 01:57 |
| kiko | you can subscribe to a distro and get all its bugs | 01:57 |
| kiko | I don't know how we're going to deal with separating main from universe | 01:57 |
| kiko | perhaps this will need to be done per-package | 01:57 |
| tseng | i need to assign to packages | 01:57 |
| kiko | that will be easy as well | 01:58 |
| kiko | package bug subscriptions | 01:58 |
| tseng | sounds perfect | 01:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:44 |
| Treenaks | hi | 08:45 |
| dholbach | hey Treenaks :) | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | hi dholbach! | 08:48 |
| dholbach | hey anrew | 08:49 |
| dholbach | andrew :) | 08:49 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: how is it going? | 08:53 |
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| dholbach | crimsun, jani: did you read about infinity's changes on xfce stuff? ( http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-August/010289.html ) | 08:56 |
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| siretart | morning dholbach :) | 09:45 |
| siretart | btw, revu should work again. at new location, of course | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | siretart: url? | 09:49 |
| === ajmitch found it now | ||
| siretart | hi ajmitch! :) | 09:52 |
| siretart | it should work. please report any problems | 09:53 |
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| dholbach | hi herzi | 10:04 |
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| dholbach | hey KOKE! | 10:21 |
| jtan325 | how long will revu be down for? | 10:27 |
| siretart | jtan325: revu is up again! :) | 10:27 |
| koke | hi! | 10:27 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:siretart] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
| siretart | huhu koke | 10:28 |
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| jtan325 | thanks, siretart. i will be uploading a package tomorrow night, if all goes well | 10:28 |
| jtan325 | i got a debian dev to look over my packaging | 10:28 |
| jtan325 | we fixed a few things | 10:28 |
| siretart | jtan325: don't forget to adapt your dput config. the upload host has changed! | 10:29 |
| jtan325 | and so it's 99% ready to be uploaded into debian for further review | 10:29 |
| jtan325 | just gotta change version numbers for ubuntu | 10:29 |
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| jtan325 | actually | 10:29 |
| jtan325 | if this package gets into debian | 10:29 |
| jtan325 | does it "automatically" get into ubuntu? | 10:29 |
| siretart | not anymore | 10:29 |
| jtan325 | i remember someone saying that that way is easier on you guys | 10:29 |
| jtan325 | because you guys are really busy right now | 10:30 |
| siretart | it's too late, we are already in UVF, and all updates and syncs must be requested manually | 10:30 |
| jtan325 | ok | 10:30 |
| jtan325 | so i should just upload to revu then | 10:30 |
| siretart | but going through debian is nevertheless easier for us | 10:30 |
| siretart | jtan325: if you get it in debian, I can request a sync, that's no problem | 10:31 |
| jtan325 | oh sweet. | 10:31 |
| jtan325 | thanks, i'll let you know how that goes if anything happens | 10:31 |
| jtan325 | how does upgrading work though? | 10:31 |
| jtan325 | if i upgrade on debian side | 10:32 |
| jtan325 | you request another sync? | 10:32 |
| siretart | jepp | 10:32 |
| jtan325 | ok thanks for the info, siretart | 10:33 |
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| dholbach | see you all later again *wave* | 11:31 |
| Lathiat | sivang: sooo | 11:32 |
| Lathiat | err | 11:32 |
| Lathiat | siretart: sooo | 11:32 |
| Lathiat | siretart: 100K patches to programs.. that make them work.. when the current one is totally useless... including a sync from unstable? ;p | 11:33 |
| siretart | Lathiat: ? | 11:36 |
| Lathiat | siretart: ipac-ng is useless | 11:36 |
| Lathiat | siretart: unfortunately the fix is a patch thats liek 130K in size | 11:36 |
| Lathiat | siretart: + a sycn to the unstabkle version | 11:36 |
| Lathiat | siretart: the patch has been merged upstream.. but still... :\ | 11:36 |
| siretart | Lathiat: is a fixed version already in unstable? | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | siretart: unfortunately not | 11:37 |
| siretart | gnarf | 11:37 |
| sivang | Lathiat: I nearly felt like an important contributing person....:) | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | siretart: the maintainer claimed it might be fixed but i tried it and it snot | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | sivang: haha sorry | 11:37 |
| sivang | Lathiat: (in your first address to me) | 11:37 |
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| siretart | I assume ipac-ng is a leaf package | 11:37 |
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| Lathiat | siretart: yeh | 11:45 |
| Lathiat | siretart: and its useless in its current state.. so it really cant get any worse | 11:45 |
| Lathiat | siretart: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315351 | 11:45 |
| siretart | Lathiat: hm. them I'm inclined to advocate that update. could you upload a new version to revu with a verbose debian/changelog explaining what patches has been applied and why? | 11:46 |
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| Lathiat | siretart: ok | 11:47 |
| siretart | Lathiat: if you say it is not fixed in 1.31-1, please do respond to 315351@bugs.debian.org and tell him | 11:48 |
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| pef | hi | 12:16 |
| StrikeForce | hi | 12:23 |
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| pef | what's the conditions to be an ubuntu member ? | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | pef: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers | 12:27 |
| pef | Lathiat, thanks, do you think I'm active enough to apply ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoicPefferkorn | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | pef: i wouldnt know | 12:31 |
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| Lathiat | pef: lookign good so far at any rate | 12:32 |
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| StrikeForce | anyone here? | 01:12 |
| StrikeForce | python setup.py install --prefix=$(CURRDIR)/debian/tmp/usr I'm trying to get this working | 01:12 |
| StrikeForce | for some reason its building it in the program's directory | 01:13 |
| StrikeForce | creating a build directory | 01:13 |
| StrikeForce | I need it to shift down to the debian folder | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | python setup.py build --build-base="./build" | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | and the --root option to install | 01:15 |
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| slomo | good morning | 01:29 |
| slomo | siretart: ping? | 01:30 |
| janimo | morning | 01:30 |
| janimo | any MOTUs with some free time on their hand - does such a motu even exist ;) ? - want to revu xubuntu-meta? End of spam | 01:30 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Mon Aug 29 10:28:10 2005 | ||
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Mon Aug 29 10:28:10 2005 | ||
| (siretart/#ubuntu-motu) slomo: pong | 02:12 | |
| (slomo/#ubuntu-motu) siretart: uploading to revu is broken atm... even when i set revu.tauware.de as fqdn | 02:12 | |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Mon Aug 29 10:28:10 2005 | ||
| (slomo/#ubuntu-motu) siretart: Uploading via ftp fdclock_0.1.0+cvs.20050620-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of fdclock_0.1.0+cvs.20050620-0ubuntu1.dsc | 02:14 | |
| siretart | hmrpf | 02:17 |
| siretart | slomo: did you upload to /incoming? | 02:17 |
| slomo | nope... / as before... ok that should be the problem ;) | 02:17 |
| siretart | ok | 02:18 |
| slomo | yeah... works :) | 02:18 |
| siretart | I'm using vsftpd now, because it is in main | 02:18 |
| siretart | unfortunatly, it does not support uploading to / | 02:18 |
| siretart | or at least not easily. so I decided to have users uploading to /incoming | 02:18 |
| slomo | siretart: doesn't matter imho... but you have to know where to upload :) | 02:19 |
| siretart | ok | 02:19 |
| slomo | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=507 | 02:19 |
| slomo | doesn't work | 02:19 |
| siretart | slomo: did you upload xmltv? | 02:19 |
| slomo | nope... you did :P | 02:20 |
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| slomo | my upload works | 02:20 |
| siretart | slomo: I needed a testupload to test the processing scripts. there where some errors | 02:20 |
| siretart | that upload was really broken. entry in the database but no really working directory | 02:21 |
| siretart | or the permissions where smacked up | 02:21 |
| slomo | hehe | 02:21 |
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| slomo | ogra: ping? | 03:01 |
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| ogra | slomo, pong | 03:04 |
| slomo | ogra: do you have some time for a somewhat critical problem? | 03:05 |
| ogra | tell me about it | 03:05 |
| slomo | ffmpeg... we currently build only static .a archives for libavcodec/libpostproc... this does some funny things to transcode for example ;) every binary which links libavcodec gets 2-3 mb bigger and transcode is now 13 mb compressed and >40 mb installed because of that | 03:06 |
| slomo | and ffmpeg is in main | 03:06 |
| slomo | so adding binary packages for shared libraries isn't that easy because of the freezes | 03:07 |
| slomo | and as the ffmpeg api often changes we probably have to rebuild everything which links shared to libavcodec with every new ffmpeg release | 03:09 |
| siretart | is ffmpeg really suitable for main? I think it has same issues like lame: mpeg encoding | 03:09 |
| slomo | siretart told me that he thinks ffmpeg will probably get out of debian in the next time... so i would recommend to use marillat's package (which does the shared libraries and much more better) | 03:10 |
| slomo | ffmpeg is currently only in main because of kino which is for edubuntu (and imho it isn't a valid candidate for main... better restricted/multiverse... and imho it should be multiverse because of it's api instability) | 03:11 |
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| Mitario | wow | 03:14 |
| Mitario | hi everyone | 03:14 |
| slomo | Mitario: hi :) | 03:14 |
| Mitario | massive netmerge :) | 03:14 |
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| siretart | woah. this was rather massive | 03:14 |
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| slomo | ogra: still there and got everything? grmpf, i hate netsplits... | 03:15 |
| JanC | they are rebooting their servers to install a patch | 03:16 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:irc.freenode.net] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
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| siretart | splitnode, today... :/ | 03:26 |
| Mitario | indeed indeed | 03:26 |
| Mitario | and elmo's gone too :( | 03:27 |
| slomo | Mitario: elmo is sleeping anyways afaik ;) | 03:27 |
| Mitario | heh lol | 03:27 |
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| Mitario | slomo, bet he had to get up in the night fixing ftpmaster :p | 03:27 |
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| slomo | Mitario: yes... i don't think he later is in the mood to get bothered by us for upload rights ;) | 03:29 |
| Mitario | heh | 03:29 |
| Mitario | maybe tomorrow... | 03:29 |
| Mitario | sucks that he's the only one though :( | 03:29 |
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| Mitario | treenaks... it's the nak in a tree! | 03:33 |
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| Mitario | (some cheezy music in the background) | 03:33 |
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| Treenaks | Mitario: uhrh.. | 03:34 |
| Mitario | nm :) | 03:34 |
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| kiko | guys | 03:55 |
| tseng__ | kikos | 03:55 |
| kiko | what do I need to do to get gdbm support for php4? | 03:55 |
| tseng__ | kiko: you could see if infinity still has any interest in that package | 03:56 |
| ogra | kiko, php4 ? isnt that as dead as latin ? | 03:56 |
| tseng__ | ogra: hush | 03:57 |
| kiko | ogra, unfortunately it seems to still live in some niches | 03:57 |
| ogra | heh | 03:57 |
| tseng__ | ogra: i refuse to upgrade | 03:57 |
| Mitario | ruby to the people! | 03:57 |
| tseng__ | Mitario: hell yeah ruby | 03:57 |
| ogra | kiko, only because the admins and programmers are slackers | 03:57 |
| === ogra grins at tseng | ||
| tseng__ | im the admin AND the programmer | 03:57 |
| tseng__ | and the DBA | 03:58 |
| === kiko curses the day that he chose gdbm as the wiki backend | ||
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| tseng__ | i will switch to php5 on the dev box when breezy is out | 03:58 |
| Mitario | kiko, convert? :) | 03:58 |
| Mitario | i will never switch back again to php :p | 03:58 |
| tseng__ | Mitario: are you a rails guy? | 03:58 |
| Mitario | ruby + rails = heaven | 03:58 |
| kiko | I have a lot of data in this phpwiki :-( | 03:58 |
| tseng__ | Mitario: dude, talk to me about this | 03:58 |
| Mitario | tseng, ok, tell me what to say ;) | 03:58 |
| tseng__ | ok, i have a big app in php and tcl | 03:59 |
| === Mitario shudders | ||
| tseng__ | php is the interface, pulls stuff out of mysql and displays it | 03:59 |
| Mitario | ok, :) | 03:59 |
| tseng__ | with some formatting | 03:59 |
| tseng__ | tcl gets all the data over snmp and throws it in mysql | 03:59 |
| tseng__ | does the dirty work | 03:59 |
| tseng__ | im designing a rewrite in ruby | 03:59 |
| Mitario | allright | 03:59 |
| tseng__ | is there a nice way to actually do non-web stuff in rails? | 03:59 |
| Mitario | sure is! | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | because heres what im running into | 04:00 |
| Mitario | oh non-web | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | i keep pulling in more and more rails components into my plans | 04:00 |
| Mitario | well you could indeed just fetch some ruby components.. | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | say i want to use ActiveRecord, MVC, etc | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | but rails already does all that for you | 04:00 |
| Mitario | but it's not a webapp? | 04:00 |
| Mitario | jup | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | its half a webapp | 04:00 |
| Mitario | ah | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | but it does alot of the heavy work in the backend | 04:00 |
| tseng__ | which is not web facing | 04:01 |
| Mitario | what kind of heavy work? | 04:01 |
| tseng__ | it runs from cron | 04:01 |
| tseng__ | discovering interfaces on routers | 04:01 |
| Mitario | ah | 04:01 |
| tseng__ | polling them for in/out data | 04:01 |
| Mitario | right | 04:01 |
| Mitario | well of course you can do that with ruby | 04:01 |
| tseng__ | i know :) | 04:01 |
| Mitario | you just need some rails wrapper | 04:01 |
| tseng__ | ruby-snmp is LOVE | 04:01 |
| Mitario | for your backend work | 04:01 |
| Mitario | so you can have some data models | 04:01 |
| Mitario | so rails/AR can be your DBA | 04:02 |
| tseng__ | yeah | 04:02 |
| Mitario | and webapp view side of course | 04:02 |
| tseng__ | like, some of the same objects will be used in both sides of the app | 04:02 |
| tseng__ | "devices" "interfaces" | 04:02 |
| Mitario | require 'activerecord' | 04:02 |
| Mitario | class Device << ActiveRecord | 04:02 |
| Mitario | end | 04:02 |
| Mitario | ;-) | 04:02 |
| tseng__ | :) | 04:02 |
| tseng__ | <3 AR | 04:02 |
| tseng__ | the rails community is like #ubuntu | 04:03 |
| Mitario | rails community is rocking | 04:03 |
| tseng__ | i dont know where to go to cut paste the crap | 04:03 |
| Mitario | all friendly people | 04:03 |
| tseng__ | yeah, but so busy | 04:03 |
| kiko | griggin | 04:04 |
| Mitario | well actually, I've never head to actually e-mail/IRC to get help on RoR, the docs and system is just so nice | 04:04 |
| Mitario | but the ruby on rails list is very cool | 04:04 |
| Mitario | all the people are very friendly.. also for questions like | 04:04 |
| Mitario | 'how do I put a text in my View, and call it from the controller?' | 04:04 |
| Mitario | (such simple questions) they just answer it | 04:04 |
| Mitario | no RTFM lousy crap and stuff | 04:04 |
| tseng__ | yeah | 04:05 |
| Mitario | i hate RTFM-people :) | 04:05 |
| tseng__ | i might post my question about making rails classes used outside rails | 04:05 |
| tseng__ | someone surely has done it | 04:05 |
| Mitario | oh yes yo ushould! | 04:05 |
| Mitario | and if you need any help | 04:05 |
| Mitario | tseng, actually, it's documented in the RoR documentation | 04:05 |
| Mitario | and in the Rails book | 04:05 |
| Mitario | how to use rails components outside of a web-environment | 04:05 |
| _derek | Mitario: rails book? | 04:06 |
| tseng__ | hm wow | 04:06 |
| _derek | what book si that | 04:06 |
| _derek | i have been wanting to learn, a book would be perfect | 04:06 |
| tseng__ | _derek: Agile Web DEvelopment with Rails | 04:06 |
| Mitario | _derek, well that's an alias, I like to call it the rails bible :) | 04:06 |
| tseng__ | _derek: its GREAT. | 04:06 |
| Mitario | tseng, that's the one | 04:06 |
| Mitario | yeah it is | 04:06 |
| _derek | tseng__: thanks, i will take a look... i have no reason to learn rails, but it just seems sooo neat | 04:06 |
| Mitario | _derek, the author of Rails co-authored it | 04:06 |
| _derek | cool, who is the publisher? | 04:07 |
| Mitario | PragProg | 04:07 |
| _derek | ok :) | 04:07 |
| Mitario | http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ | 04:07 |
| Mitario | http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html :) | 04:07 |
| tseng__ | get the book/pdf combo :) | 04:07 |
| _derek | yeah i am taking a look now | 04:07 |
| tseng__ | and the pickaxe book | 04:07 |
| Mitario | pickaxe is very cool to, it's still in my office at work though :( | 04:08 |
| tseng__ | thats why i got the pdf | 04:08 |
| tseng__ | its portable | 04:08 |
| _derek | how hard is rOr to learn with out knowing ruby? | 04:08 |
| Mitario | _derek, not very hard | 04:09 |
| Mitario | the book has an 'introduction to ruby' chapter | 04:09 |
| _derek | oh that works :) | 04:09 |
| Mitario | but you can read trough the online introduction to ruby too..http://www.rubycentral.com/book/ | 04:10 |
| Mitario | it's a very good/funny read | 04:10 |
| _derek | yeah, thats what i will probably do | 04:10 |
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| Mitario | hrm again | 04:45 |
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| siretart | :/ | 04:47 |
| \sh | hey dudes...i have at least network connection here...but bad one | 04:54 |
| tseng__ | hi | 04:55 |
| Mitario | heya sh | 04:56 |
| slomo | hi \sh :) | 04:56 |
| === \sh is not there ... i'm hiding somewhere in dietzenbach | ||
| Mitario | right :p | 04:57 |
| \sh | but actually this place here is good, good food, good course, nice enviroment | 05:00 |
| \sh | and now updating new xorg over this damn line | 05:01 |
| Mitario | joy :) | 05:02 |
| Mitario | btw could someone add me to MOTU @ launchpad? | 05:02 |
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| \sh | cu later dudes...we 're going to eat | 05:09 |
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| siretart | cu \sh_away | 05:10 |
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| lamont-away | After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied: | 05:54 |
| lamont-away | postgresql-dev(inst 7.5.8 ! << wanted 7.5) | 05:54 |
| lamont-away | ew! | 05:54 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 06:12 |
| === lamont beats on ogra | ||
| ogra | lamont ? | 06:15 |
| lamont | mediawiki is ftbfs | 06:15 |
| ogra | hmm, since when ? it already built | 06:16 |
| lamont | must have been a poluted chroot if it built... | 06:16 |
| lamont | build-depends-indep is only installed on i386, and the package needs it to build on any arch | 06:16 |
| ogra | i'll look at it | 06:17 |
| lamont | iz trivial fix | 06:17 |
| lamont | note that only i386 binaries are in the archive... | 06:17 |
| lamont | specifically, the fix is to append the build-depends-indep list to the build-depends list, and drop build-depends indep | 06:17 |
| lamont | like so> | 06:17 |
| ogra | thats funny, my pbuilder is amd64 andi did a testbuild.... | 06:17 |
| lamont | Build-Depends: patchutils (>= 0.2.25), xsltproc, docbook-xml, docbook-xsl, po-debconf, cdbs (>= 0.4.30), debhelper (>= 4.9.3), ocaml-nox | ocaml | 06:17 |
| lamont | pbuilder != sbuild | 06:18 |
| lamont | or rather, dpkg-buildpackage -B does: debian/rules build; debian/rules binary-arch | 06:18 |
| ogra | i thought in the case of build deps they might be similar... | 06:18 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 06:18 |
| slomo | hi bddebian :) | 06:18 |
| lamont | did you tell pbuilder to only build arch: any? | 06:18 |
| ogra | nope | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Heya slomo | 06:19 |
| lamont | and they are specifically different in the case of (or'ed) build-deps | 06:19 |
| lamont | pbuilder choses the last one in the list, sbuild chooses the first. (and in ubuntu, it chooses the first-available) | 06:19 |
| lamont | ogra: in any case, if the build: target in debian/rules needs a package, it has to be in build-depends, not build-depends-indep | 06:20 |
| lamont | and yes, that means that the policy document is wrong. | 06:20 |
| ogra | i'm not sure about that, looking at the package now... | 06:20 |
| ogra | it needs arxh all for the mediawiki package itself (only php scripts) and arch all for the mediawiki-math binary | 06:21 |
| ogra | err | 06:21 |
| ogra | replace the last s/all/any | 06:21 |
| ogra | so i have binary-indep and binary-arch... | 06:22 |
| _derek | is there a way to see if work is being done on a bug from bugzilla? | 06:23 |
| bddebian | Only if someone "took" it | 06:23 |
| _derek | status = new | 06:23 |
| _derek | its been confirmed | 06:23 |
| bddebian | So transitions are #1 priority atm? | 06:25 |
| ogra | yup | 06:26 |
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| bddebian | Looks like they are all done or "almost done" | 06:42 |
| slomo | bddebian: cairo and gl/glu needs the most work afaik | 06:44 |
| sistpoty | ping siretart | 06:49 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 06:50 |
| sistpoty | huhu siretart | 06:50 |
| siretart | ah, this reminds me. need to checkin latest revu changes.. | 06:50 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 06:50 |
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| asw | I'd like to see better support for the "X3D" graphics standard on Debian GNU/Linux and Ubuntu. I'm also new to package management... | 06:54 |
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| asw | I've started a little page at: http://freebiology.org/wiki/X3D | 06:54 |
| asw | One package I'd like to see on Ubuntu is "Freewrl". There is an experimental Debian package at: http://pint.pmhahn.de/pmhahn/debian/sid/f/freewrl/ | 06:55 |
| asw | It doesn't work on Ubuntu... | 06:55 |
| asw | pointers at FAQs, help, etc is appreciated. | 06:55 |
| asw | Am I in the right place? | 06:56 |
| asw | PS. this version of Freewrl compiles fine from source but I'm looking to get it included in Universe and I'd like to help with the process... | 06:57 |
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| JanC | did you rebuild the package for ubuntu ? | 06:57 |
| asw | Janc - sorry I don't know how to do that? It's probably very easy... (just never done it before...) | 06:58 |
| JanC | there are some howtos on the wiki | 06:58 |
| asw | url? | 06:58 |
| JanC | this might be useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 06:59 |
| JanC | but also search for "MOTU" | 06:59 |
| sistpoty | ping lamont-away | 07:02 |
| asw | JanC - thank-you that looks very useful. | 07:02 |
| lamont-away | sistpoty: si? | 07:02 |
| sistpoty | do you have 5 mins for ghc6 bootstrapping issue? | 07:02 |
| lamont-away | what issue does it have, besides needing love? | 07:03 |
| lamont-away | again?\ | 07:03 |
| sistpoty | well some friendly buildd-admin to do it ;) | 07:03 |
| lamont-away | bootstrapping it is more than a 5 minute task... | 07:04 |
| siretart | lamont-away: sistpoty packaged a preview release of ghc6, which builds with gcc-4.0 | 07:04 |
| sistpoty | it is ;) | 07:04 |
| lamont-away | when last I tried to build it, it was FTBFS with 4.0 | 07:04 |
| sistpoty | actually the howto do it talk takes 5 mins ;) | 07:04 |
| lamont-away | so if there's a gcc-4.0 friendly version in the archive, I'll add it to my todo list | 07:04 |
| sistpoty | hm... it's a little bit more complicated | 07:05 |
| lamont-away | sistpoty: email me with the steps - I'm supposed to already be out the door | 07:05 |
| siretart | lamont-away: so we should upload a ghc6 version which we know that will ftbfs and ping you again? | 07:05 |
| sistpoty | lamont-away: ok, i will do... email-addy? | 07:05 |
| lamont-away | if the source is only lacking in bootstrapping, sure. | 07:05 |
| lamont-away | since what's there now is 100% ftbfs... | 07:05 |
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| lamont-away | that is, your upload doesn't make it worse, and makes it possible to fix it with a little love | 07:06 |
| lamont-away | lamont@ubuntu.com | 07:06 |
| sistpoty | ok, thx | 07:06 |
| siretart | okay. we will do that, then | 07:06 |
| lamont-away | jbailey_: you really there, or just bouncy-bouncy? | 07:06 |
| siretart | thnx | 07:06 |
| jbailey_ | lamont-away: Really here. Glad to see freenode is back. | 07:07 |
| jbailey_ | Bouncy, hmm. | 07:07 |
| jbailey_ | why am I jbailey_ ? | 07:07 |
| jbailey_ | Jason Bailey, hmm. | 07:07 |
| bddebian | hehe | 07:07 |
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| lamont-away | time to ghost him, eh? | 07:08 |
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| chillywilly | jbailey_: boot him :) | 07:08 |
| jbailey_ | chillywilly: Well, I'm asking politely first. | 07:08 |
| chillywilly | you da man | 07:10 |
| bddebian | :-) | 07:10 |
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| siretart | hui. xen packages for breezy! | 07:21 |
| _derek | siretart: they are done? | 07:22 |
| siretart | look at latest posting to ubuntu-devel | 07:23 |
| _derek | lemme check | 07:23 |
| _derek | hasn't come in my digest yet, lemme look the old way | 07:23 |
| _derek | cool :) | 07:24 |
| _derek | now we just need a tutorial, cuz i heard xen is hard to setup | 07:27 |
| siretart | first we need to test them | 07:27 |
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| _derek | haha yeah | 07:28 |
| mvo | I was just looking over the open bugs and noticed that #14309 is a gftp universe bug. looks like it's not difficult to fix (debian has a fix, it's a matter of extracting the patch from there). if someone is interessted ;) | 07:29 |
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| slomo | jbailey: ping? | 07:44 |
| jbailey | slomo: pong | 07:44 |
| slomo | jbailey: again the ppc problem... did you have some new ideas what can be tried? i also tried the daily from the 28. but that doesn't help either (was with initramfs-tools 0.24 then) | 07:45 |
| jbailey | slomo: I don't have a clue. BenC wasn't able to help you at all? | 07:46 |
| jbailey | slomo: The problem is that on my PPC system here, it boots, but for you it's pretty clearly not even loading the stuff. | 07:47 |
| slomo | jbailey: nope... he tried to reproduce it but for him everything worked | 07:47 |
| slomo | jbailey: would be nice to have someone else with an ibook g4 to test it... could it be that the module for the ide controller is missing or something? | 07:48 |
| jbailey | slomo: Not at that stage. | 07:48 |
| jbailey | That's a long time before drivers are needed for anything other than a framebuffer. | 07:49 |
| jbailey | and IIRC, those are all built into the kernel | 07:49 |
| jbailey | Can you post your actual initramfsfile somewhere for me to look at? | 07:49 |
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| slomo | jbailey: sure... *boots rescue again* do we have some daily flying around with an older kernel but with initramfs? maybe it's really a kernel problem... | 07:51 |
| jbailey | No idea. | 07:51 |
| jbailey | I've been using initramfs on my ppc boxes since February or so, though. | 07:51 |
| jbailey | Any 2.6.12 kernel ought to do if you haveone. | 07:52 |
| slomo | hm maybe i'll try installing from colony 3 later... | 07:52 |
| slomo | that's exactly the problem... i have none because of reinstalling ;) | 07:53 |
| jbailey | Are you James Warren, btw? | 07:54 |
| jbailey | err. Jared Warren | 07:54 |
| jbailey | If not, I might have a bugzilla bug for this too. | 07:54 |
| slomo | nope... i don't know a jared warren ;) | 07:55 |
| tseng__ | i just got my laptop today | 07:55 |
| tseng__ | X doesnt come up from the livecd :/ | 07:55 |
| tseng__ | time to get a colony 3 cd | 07:55 |
| tseng__ | this british keyboard is just slightly odd :) | 07:56 |
| slomo | jbailey: what bugzilla bug? | 07:57 |
| jbailey | Nope, it's unrealyed. But 14211 if you're otherwise curious. | 07:57 |
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| slomo | jbailey: http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/initrd.img-2.6.12-7-powerpc | 08:09 |
| slomo | jbailey: even when setting root=/dev/hda3 for the kernel commandline it does the same | 08:11 |
| sistpoty | anybody willing to review ghc6/haddock? | 08:12 |
| jbailey | slomo: Right, it's not loading the initramfs and running it. I don't think any command line parameters should make a difference. | 08:13 |
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| ivoks | khm... | 08:19 |
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| slomo | jbailey: well... then i try installing colony 3 and when that doesn't work colony 2 again ;) | 08:20 |
| jbailey | slomo: This is an iBook g4, you said, right? | 08:23 |
| slomo | jbailey: yes | 08:23 |
| jbailey | I would've thought there'd be others with problems too.. =( | 08:23 |
| slomo | do you know someone with an ibook g4 who runs ubuntu? | 08:24 |
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| ivoks | bddebian2: here? | 08:32 |
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| andandare | hello guys. I have a packaging question. Is this channel the right place? May be something changed in policy and i didn't notice it yet. | 08:38 |
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| ivoks | shot | 08:39 |
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| slomo | andandare: you're in the right channel... just ask your questions ;) | 08:40 |
| ivoks | siretart: ping | 08:42 |
| andandare | ivoks: well when i check my ubuntu package, lintian tells me that license should be at /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/copyright. | 08:42 |
| siretart | ivoks: but very quick, just wanted to log off ;) | 08:42 |
| ivoks | siretart: where do we send packages that we fix (GLU transition)? | 08:42 |
| ivoks | revu? | 08:42 |
| ivoks | andandare: that's right | 08:42 |
| siretart | ivoks: it it is a small fix, I'm not sure if it's worth an upload. better put your debdiff in this case somewhere and poke a motu to upload | 08:43 |
| ivoks | i'm mout :) | 08:43 |
| ivoks | motu :)) | 08:43 |
| andandare | ivoks: ivoks: ok, but should i copy this in debian/rules? I never needed it. | 08:43 |
| siretart | err, sorry | 08:44 |
| ivoks | :)) np | 08:44 |
| siretart | ivoks: have you upload rights? | 08:44 |
| siretart | i.e. has elmo added you already? | 08:44 |
| ivoks | siretart: i was told i do; didn't try for some time... | 08:44 |
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| siretart | ivoks: if you have fixed a package for GL/GLU, just upload it | 08:44 |
| ivoks | ok | 08:44 |
| siretart | ivoks: grats, btw :) | 08:44 |
| ivoks | siretart: for what? :) | 08:45 |
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| siretart | ivoks: for motuness! :) | 08:45 |
| ivoks | siretart: ah, that was in may :)) | 08:45 |
| === siretart mixed stuff up. sorry | ||
| siretart | its late here, I'm overworked :( | 08:45 |
| ivoks | np :) | 08:45 |
| ivoks | andandare: ok.. | 08:45 |
| ivoks | andandare: only thing you need to do is create file in debian/ called copyright | 08:46 |
| ivoks | andandare: with proper text | 08:46 |
| andandare | ivoks: if i have defined debian/copyright properly, what i should do in order to pass lintian's tests? | 08:46 |
| ivoks | andandare: in your rules | 08:46 |
| siretart | ok. cu all, if there are problems with revu, ping me or sistpoty | 08:47 |
| ivoks | andandare: you should have dh_installdocs | 08:47 |
| ivoks | siretart: bye | 08:47 |
| siretart | cu tomorrow | 08:47 |
| andandare | ivoks: thanks ivoks, i'll review this tomorrow in my office. | 08:48 |
| ivoks | np | 08:48 |
| andandare | cu | 08:48 |
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| ivoks | Lathiat: ping | 08:52 |
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| ivoks | bddebian: freebsd debian is out | 08:57 |
| ivoks | bddebian: i guess, as soon as hurd becomes stable, we will have debian hurd too :) | 08:58 |
| bddebian | ivoks: Really?? :-) | 08:58 |
| slomo | btw, how's the progress on hurd/L4? | 08:59 |
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| bddebian | slomo: Slow as ever. ;-P | 09:00 |
| bddebian | ivoks: Where did you see/hear about freebsd? | 09:00 |
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| slomo | bddebian: too bad... that would be something i really like to try ;) | 09:01 |
| michaelrhead | hi | 09:01 |
| bddebian | Hello michaelrhead | 09:02 |
| ivoks | http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/ | 09:03 |
| michaelrhead | howdy. I'm working on a new pygtk program that I'd like to package up for ubuntu and potentially debian, too. | 09:03 |
| jbailey | slomo: No, I don't. | 09:04 |
| michaelrhead | it's my first linux-oriented opensource program, so I'd like to get the source and 'binary' packages right. | 09:04 |
| bddebian | ivoks: Big deal, we have a live-CD too ;-P | 09:05 |
| ivoks | http://distroreviews.com/index.php?view=117 | 09:05 |
| ivoks | bddebian: don't get me wrong - i love ubuntu | 09:05 |
| bddebian | :-) | 09:05 |
| michaelrhead | I'm left with two questions: 1) does anyone have a skeleton of a python source package (do python people bother using autoconf?), 2) how do I get starting making debs for a python package? | 09:06 |
| ivoks | but, i would love to see another kernels... | 09:06 |
| ivoks | linux is just getting to... i wouldn't say crapy, but too many suits around it | 09:06 |
| ivoks | michaelrhead: i'm writing one python package | 09:06 |
| bddebian | :-) | 09:06 |
| ivoks | michaelrhead: and i did a deb of one python package | 09:07 |
| ivoks | you don't need autoconf :) | 09:07 |
| ivoks | what's the difference beetwean source python and 'binary' python? :) it's a script :) | 09:08 |
| slomo | but if you want to torment you you can use autotools ;) | 09:08 |
| michaelrhead | right | 09:08 |
| michaelrhead | well, a .deb is to my mind a 'binary' package | 09:08 |
| michaelrhead | and the tarball is the source package | 09:08 |
| ivoks | right | 09:08 |
| michaelrhead | maybe I should just say .deb and source package | 09:08 |
| ivoks | sort of :) | 09:08 |
| ivoks | michaelrhead: have you read debian maintainer guide? | 09:09 |
| michaelrhead | I've started looking at it... but it's a bit long | 09:09 |
| michaelrhead | :-P | 09:09 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:09 |
| ivoks | well, packaging is a bit tricky | 09:09 |
| michaelrhead | and I wasn't sure that everything was totally up to date. | 09:10 |
| michaelrhead | (is dh_make the current thing to use to create the debian/ directory?) | 09:10 |
| ivoks | yes | 09:11 |
| michaelrhead | cool | 09:12 |
| michaelrhead | well, I'll save this log and come back later. | 09:14 |
| michaelrhead | thanks for the initial info. | 09:15 |
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| sistpoty | goodbye everyone | 09:22 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 10:05 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:13 |
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| Mitario | good evening | 11:16 |
| slomo | good evening Mitario :) | 11:17 |
| Mitario | :) | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | hi Mitario, slomo | 11:17 |
| Mitario | heya ajmitch | 11:17 |
| Mitario | and slmo of course | 11:17 |
| Mitario | ehm slomo | 11:17 |
| Mitario | any word from elmo? | 11:17 |
| slomo | nope... he hasn't written anything in -devel today | 11:19 |
| ivoks | hi | 11:19 |
| === ivoks needs elmo too :) | ||
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| slomo | ivoks: why? | 11:19 |
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| ivoks | slomo: to find out is my email whitelisted for uploads | 11:20 |
| ivoks | cause, there were some problems few months ago... | 11:20 |
| slomo | ivoks: did you try to upload something? | 11:20 |
| ivoks | yes | 11:20 |
| ivoks | but uploads are silently droped | 11:20 |
| ivoks | if they are droped | 11:21 |
| slomo | ok, then probably your problem is the same as ours... your key has to be added to the upload keyring | 11:21 |
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| ajmitch | so I have to watch breezy changes to see if something is accepted :) | 11:22 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:22 |
| Mitario | multimap.com rocks | 11:23 |
| Mitario | it actually shows a map on my house | 11:24 |
| ivoks | hehe | 11:25 |
| ivoks | not for me :) | 11:26 |
| Mitario | so guys if you want to come around ;) | 11:26 |
| Mitario | http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=52.0209&lon=4.6946&scale=5000&icon=x | 11:26 |
| Mitario | on the metre | 11:26 |
| ivoks | http://tinyurl.com/b7yof | 11:26 |
| ivoks | that's me | 11:26 |
| Mitario | croatia :) | 11:27 |
| Mitario | hmm never been there :( | 11:27 |
| ivoks | i was never in netherland :) | 11:27 |
| Mitario | heh | 11:27 |
| ivoks | closest i was when i was in duisburg, germany | 11:28 |
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| Mitario | heh | 11:29 |
| Mitario | closest I was, was probably greece or the czech republic | 11:29 |
| ivoks | lol | 11:30 |
| ivoks | that's far away | 11:30 |
| dredg | lo | 11:31 |
| Mitario | hi dredg | 11:31 |
| dredg | anyone have any objections if i upload a new faad2 to fix malone #1728? | 11:32 |
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| dredg | i've been out of this too long :) | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | dredg: new upstream version? | 11:37 |
| dredg | ajmitch: no, just adds a missing Replaces: | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | oh, go ahead then (assuming it's in universe/multiverse) :) | 11:37 |
| dredg | i'm aware of UVF :) | 11:38 |
| dredg | yeah, multiverse | 11:38 |
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| ajmitch | dredg: yes, and the running of the gauntlet to get new upstream versions in :) | 11:39 |
| dredg | indeed :) i don't feel like facing ogra on that :) | 11:39 |
| Mitario | going to bed again :) | 11:39 |
| Mitario | good night everyon! | 11:39 |
| slomo | dredg: tell me about faad2 ;) | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | dredg: don't worry, ogra's not the only one you can ask :) | 11:41 |
| slomo | dredg: at least i'm the one who has broken something there ;) | 11:41 |
| dredg | slomo: you're sebastan droege? | 11:42 |
| dredg | hi | 11:42 |
| slomo | dredg: yes... what Replaces is missing? | 11:42 |
| dredg | bug report says it all. it was brought to my attention by a friend actually | 11:42 |
| dredg | libmp4v2-0 should have Replaces: libmp4-0 in its control info | 11:43 |
| dredg | to quote directly from #1728 | 11:43 |
| slomo | dredg: did we ever have a libmp4-0? | 11:43 |
| dredg | it was leading to circular doom. | 11:43 |
| dredg | seemingly so, at least i found someone who had it installed | 11:43 |
| slomo | dredg: that's weird... we don't have this in warty, hoary and breezy | 11:44 |
| slomo | dredg: i'll look whether marillat has this one | 11:44 |
| dredg | hmm | 11:44 |
| slomo | dredg: yes... he has... uh... well, i'll fix that after looking what he has done there ;) | 11:45 |
| dredg | slomo: great. | 11:45 |
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| ivoks | slomo: if you catch elmo, could you remind him to whitelist my key/email too? | 11:46 |
| slomo | ivoks: sure | 11:46 |
| ivoks | ok, bye guys | 11:46 |
| ivoks | slomo: thanks | 11:46 |
| Mitario | slomo, i'll draw him into a corner tomorrow at the CC meeting :) | 11:47 |
| slomo | dredg: uh... whatever he has done there... it is really ugly :/ took the faad2 source tarball and build a libmp4 out of it... why don't he build this with the faad2 sourcepackage? well... | 11:48 |
| === Mez sweats | ||
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| slomo | dredg: i'll add a conflicts/replaces... | 11:49 |
| dredg | slomo: well that sounds, erm, special | 11:49 |
| slomo | dredg: and apply some patches to make it more 64bit clean... | 11:53 |
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| HiddenWolf | Guys, I want to file a bug to totem-xine in malone, but the stupid system is buggy. | 11:57 |
| HiddenWolf | I can't file it, can anyone of you? | 11:57 |
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| dredg | how do you mean? | 11:58 |
| dredg | HiddenWolf: sorry, taht was directed at you | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | HiddenWolf: what issues are you having with malone? | 11:59 |
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