[12:59] <ivoks> 'evening
[01:33] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm
[01:33] <Lathiat> siretart: ipac-gn needs a patch or its useless
[01:33] <Lathiat> siretart: unfortunately its a monster of a patch :(
[01:33] <Lathiat> siretart: it has been merged upstream tho
[01:33] <Lathiat> siretart: *ipac-ng
[01:43] <hub_> Am I the only one to get rude answers from someone named Marillat when submitting ITP in Debian BTS?
[01:43] <Lathiat> ITP what?
[01:44] <hub_> some packages I have uploaded to REVU
[01:44] <hub_> waiting approval from MOTU
[01:44] <hub_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325179
[01:44] <Lathiat> hub_: ermm
[01:44] <Lathiat> oh
[01:44] <Lathiat> i see
[01:45] <hub_> maybe it is not an ITP
[01:45] <Lathiat> yes, you dont understand what an ITP is
[01:45] <Lathiat> an ITP is where you intend to package it
[01:45] <Lathiat> and put it in debian
[01:45] <Lathiat> when you are alreayd d eveloper
[01:45] <hub_> but being rude like that just does not help
[01:45] <kiko> hey ho
[01:45] <tseng> yay kiko
[01:45] <kiko> how's it going tseng?
[01:45] <hub_> Lathiat: given how unclear it is....
[01:45] <kiko> I had a question
[01:45] <kiko> I have a few bugs to file on cvsview and zope
[01:46] <kiko> where should I file them, tseng?
[01:46] <tseng> malone
[01:46] <hub_> Lathiat: it is not a reason to be insulting like he is
[01:46] <tseng> hm
[01:46] <tseng> is zope main?
[01:46] <kiko> nope
[01:46] <Lathiat> ts	nope
[01:46] <tseng> malone :)
[01:46] <kiko> tseng, there's no source package for zope IIRC -- is that an issue?
[01:47] <tseng> Directory: pool/universe/z/zope
[01:47] <tseng> seems fine to me
[01:47] <tseng> i think zope bugs go to ajmitch or her
[01:47] <tseng> hever.
[01:47] <tseng> #$@$#@
[01:48] <tseng> herve
[01:48] <kiko> great
[01:48] <tseng> cvsview, you are at the mercy of someone like \sh
[01:48] <tseng> jack of all trades
[01:51] <kiko> tseng, it's trivial
[01:53] <kiko> tseng, who should I CC: on the bug creation?
[01:54] <tseng> um
[01:54] <tseng> moment
[01:54] <kiko> tseng, motu?
[01:54] <tseng> yes
[01:54] <kiko> goodie
[01:54] <tseng> finding the address
[01:54] <tseng> apperantly "MOTU"
[01:54] <tseng> yes
[01:55] <kiko> how are you guys dealing with the fact that no notifications are going to you by default?
[01:55] <kiko> that's crack
[01:55] <tseng> kiko: you mean on new unassigned bugs, or what?
[01:56] <kiko> yeah
[01:56] <tseng> yeah...
[01:56] <tseng> that is like the #1 feature request
[01:56] <tseng> most of those are met with an uncomfortable "um... ill have to talk to mark about that.."
[01:56] <tseng> pretty bogus
[01:56] <kiko> we're about to fix that
[01:56] <tseng> great
[01:57] <kiko> we're going to change the way subscriptions work slightly
[01:57] <kiko> you can subscribe to a distro and get all its bugs
[01:57] <kiko> I don't know how we're going to deal with separating main from universe
[01:57] <kiko> perhaps this will need to be done per-package
[01:57] <tseng> i need to assign to packages
[01:58] <kiko> that will be easy as well
[01:58] <kiko> package bug subscriptions
[01:59] <tseng> sounds perfect
[08:44] <dholbach> good morning
[08:45] <Treenaks> hi
[08:45] <dholbach> hey Treenaks :)
[08:48] <ajmitch> hi dholbach!
[08:49] <dholbach> hey anrew
[08:49] <dholbach> andrew :)
[08:53] <dholbach> ajmitch: how is it going?
[08:56] <dholbach> crimsun, jani: did you read about infinity's changes on xfce stuff? ( http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-August/010289.html )
[09:45] <siretart> morning dholbach :)
[09:45] <siretart> btw, revu should work again. at new location, of course
[09:49] <ajmitch> siretart: url?
[09:52] <siretart> hi ajmitch! :)
[09:53] <siretart> it should work. please report any problems
[10:04] <dholbach> hi herzi
[10:21] <dholbach> hey KOKE!
[10:27] <jtan325> how long will revu be down for?
[10:27] <siretart> jtan325: revu is up again! :)
[10:27] <koke> hi!
[10:28] <siretart> huhu koke
[10:28] <jtan325> thanks, siretart. i will be uploading a package tomorrow night, if all goes well
[10:28] <jtan325> i got a debian dev to look over my packaging
[10:28] <jtan325> we fixed a few things
[10:29] <siretart> jtan325: don't forget to adapt your dput config. the upload host has changed!
[10:29] <jtan325> and so it's 99% ready to be uploaded into debian for further review
[10:29] <jtan325> just gotta change version numbers for ubuntu
[10:29] <jtan325> actually
[10:29] <jtan325> if this package gets into debian
[10:29] <jtan325> does it "automatically" get into ubuntu?
[10:29] <siretart> not anymore
[10:29] <jtan325> i remember someone saying that that way is easier on you guys
[10:30] <jtan325> because you guys are really busy right now
[10:30] <siretart> it's too late, we are already in UVF, and all updates and syncs must be requested manually
[10:30] <jtan325> ok
[10:30] <jtan325> so i should just upload to revu then
[10:30] <siretart> but going through debian is nevertheless easier for us
[10:31] <siretart> jtan325: if you get it in debian, I can request a sync, that's no problem
[10:31] <jtan325> oh sweet.
[10:31] <jtan325> thanks, i'll let you know how that goes if anything happens
[10:31] <jtan325> how does upgrading work though?
[10:32] <jtan325> if i upgrade on debian side
[10:32] <jtan325> you request another sync?
[10:32] <siretart> jepp
[10:33] <jtan325> ok thanks for the info, siretart
[11:31] <dholbach> see you all later again *wave*
[11:32] <Lathiat> sivang: sooo
[11:32] <Lathiat> err
[11:32] <Lathiat> siretart: sooo
[11:33] <Lathiat> siretart: 100K patches to programs.. that make them work.. when the current one is totally useless... including a sync from unstable? ;p
[11:36] <siretart> Lathiat: ?
[11:36] <Lathiat> siretart: ipac-ng is useless
[11:36] <Lathiat> siretart: unfortunately the fix is a patch thats liek 130K in size
[11:36] <Lathiat> siretart: + a sycn to the unstabkle version
[11:36] <Lathiat> siretart: the patch has been merged upstream.. but still... :\
[11:37] <siretart> Lathiat: is a fixed version already in unstable?
[11:37] <Lathiat> siretart: unfortunately not
[11:37] <siretart> gnarf
[11:37] <sivang> Lathiat: I nearly felt like an important contributing person....:)
[11:37] <Lathiat> siretart: the maintainer claimed it might be fixed but i tried it and it snot
[11:37] <Lathiat> sivang: haha sorry
[11:37] <sivang> Lathiat: (in your first address to me)
[11:37] <siretart> I assume ipac-ng is a leaf package
[11:45] <Lathiat> siretart: yeh
[11:45] <Lathiat> siretart: and its useless in its current state.. so it really cant get any worse
[11:45] <Lathiat> siretart: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315351
[11:46] <siretart> Lathiat: hm. them I'm inclined to advocate that update. could you upload a new version to revu with a verbose debian/changelog explaining what patches has been applied and why?
[11:47] <Lathiat> siretart: ok
[11:48] <siretart> Lathiat: if you say it is not fixed in 1.31-1, please do respond to 315351@bugs.debian.org and tell him
[12:16] <pef> hi
[12:23] <StrikeForce> hi
[12:25] <pef> what's the conditions to be an ubuntu member ?
[12:27] <Lathiat> pef: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[12:30] <pef> Lathiat, thanks, do you think I'm active enough to apply ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoicPefferkorn
[12:31] <Lathiat> pef: i wouldnt know
[12:32] <Lathiat> pef: lookign good so far at any rate
[01:12] <StrikeForce> anyone here?
[01:12] <StrikeForce> python setup.py install --prefix=$(CURRDIR)/debian/tmp/usr I'm trying to get this working
[01:13] <StrikeForce> for some reason its building it in the program's directory
[01:13] <StrikeForce> creating a build directory
[01:13] <StrikeForce> I need it to shift down to the debian folder
[01:15] <ajmitch> python setup.py build --build-base="./build"
[01:15] <ajmitch> and the --root option to install
[01:29] <slomo> good morning
[01:30] <slomo> siretart: ping?
[01:30] <janimo> morning
[01:30] <janimo> any MOTUs with some free time on their hand - does such a motu even exist ;) ? - want to revu xubuntu-meta? End of spam
[02:12] (siretart/#ubuntu-motu) slomo: pong
[02:12] (slomo/#ubuntu-motu) siretart: uploading to revu is broken atm... even when i set revu.tauware.de as fqdn
[02:14] (slomo/#ubuntu-motu) siretart: Uploading via ftp fdclock_0.1.0+cvs.20050620-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of fdclock_0.1.0+cvs.20050620-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:17] <siretart> hmrpf
[02:17] <siretart> slomo: did you upload to /incoming?
[02:17] <slomo> nope... / as before... ok that should be the problem ;)
[02:18] <siretart> ok
[02:18] <slomo> yeah... works :)
[02:18] <siretart> I'm using vsftpd now, because it is in main
[02:18] <siretart> unfortunatly, it does not support uploading to /
[02:18] <siretart> or at least not easily. so I decided to have users uploading to /incoming
[02:19] <slomo> siretart: doesn't matter imho... but you have to know where to upload :)
[02:19] <siretart> ok
[02:19] <slomo> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=507
[02:19] <slomo> doesn't work
[02:19] <siretart> slomo: did you upload xmltv?
[02:20] <slomo> nope... you did :P
[02:20] <slomo> my upload works
[02:20] <siretart> slomo: I needed a testupload to test the processing scripts. there where some errors
[02:21] <siretart> that upload was really broken. entry in the database but no really working directory
[02:21] <siretart> or the permissions where smacked up
[02:21] <slomo> hehe
[03:01] <slomo> ogra: ping?
[03:04] <ogra> slomo, pong
[03:05] <slomo> ogra: do you have some time for a somewhat critical problem?
[03:05] <ogra> tell me about it
[03:06] <slomo> ffmpeg... we currently build only static .a archives for libavcodec/libpostproc... this does some funny things to transcode for example ;) every binary which links libavcodec gets 2-3 mb bigger and transcode is now 13 mb compressed and >40 mb installed because of that
[03:06] <slomo> and ffmpeg is in main
[03:07] <slomo> so adding binary packages for shared libraries isn't that easy because of the freezes
[03:09] <slomo> and as the ffmpeg api often changes we probably have to rebuild everything which links shared to libavcodec with every new ffmpeg release
[03:09] <siretart> is ffmpeg really suitable for main? I think it has same issues like lame: mpeg encoding
[03:10] <slomo> siretart told me that he thinks ffmpeg will probably get out of debian in the next time... so i would recommend to use marillat's package (which does the shared libraries and much more better)
[03:11] <slomo> ffmpeg is currently only in main because of kino which is for edubuntu (and imho it isn't a valid candidate for main... better restricted/multiverse... and imho it should be multiverse because of it's api instability)
[03:14] <Mitario> wow
[03:14] <Mitario> hi everyone
[03:14] <slomo> Mitario: hi :)
[03:14] <Mitario> massive netmerge :)
[03:14] <siretart> woah. this was rather massive
[03:15] <slomo> ogra: still there and got everything? grmpf, i hate netsplits...
[03:16] <JanC> they are rebooting their servers to install a patch
[03:26] <siretart> splitnode, today... :/
[03:26] <Mitario> indeed indeed
[03:27] <Mitario> and elmo's gone too :(
[03:27] <slomo> Mitario: elmo is sleeping anyways afaik ;)
[03:27] <Mitario> heh lol
[03:27] <Mitario> slomo, bet he had to get up in the night fixing ftpmaster :p
[03:29] <slomo> Mitario: yes... i don't think he later is in the mood to get bothered by us for upload rights ;)
[03:29] <Mitario> heh
[03:29] <Mitario> maybe tomorrow...
[03:29] <Mitario> sucks that he's the only one though :(
[03:33] <Mitario> treenaks... it's the nak in a tree!
[03:33] <Mitario> (some cheezy music in the background)
[03:34] <Treenaks> Mitario: uhrh..
[03:34] <Mitario> nm :)
[03:55] <kiko> guys
[03:55] <tseng__> kikos
[03:55] <kiko> what do I need to do to get gdbm support for php4?
[03:56] <tseng__> kiko: you could see if infinity still has any interest in that package
[03:56] <ogra> kiko, php4 ? isnt that as dead as latin ?
[03:57] <tseng__> ogra: hush
[03:57] <kiko> ogra, unfortunately it seems to still live in some niches
[03:57] <ogra> heh
[03:57] <tseng__> ogra: i refuse to upgrade
[03:57] <Mitario> ruby to the people!
[03:57] <tseng__> Mitario: hell yeah ruby
[03:57] <ogra> kiko, only because the admins and programmers are slackers
[03:57] <tseng__> im the admin AND the programmer
[03:58] <tseng__> and the DBA
[03:58] <tseng__> i will switch to php5 on the dev box when breezy is out
[03:58] <Mitario> kiko, convert? :)
[03:58] <Mitario> i will never switch back again to php :p
[03:58] <tseng__> Mitario: are you a rails guy?
[03:58] <Mitario> ruby + rails = heaven
[03:58] <kiko> I have a lot of data in this phpwiki :-(
[03:58] <tseng__> Mitario: dude, talk to me about this
[03:58] <Mitario> tseng, ok, tell me what to say ;)
[03:59] <tseng__> ok, i have a big app in php and tcl
[03:59] <tseng__> php is the interface, pulls stuff out of mysql and displays it
[03:59] <Mitario> ok, :)
[03:59] <tseng__> with some formatting
[03:59] <tseng__> tcl gets all the data over snmp and throws it in mysql
[03:59] <tseng__> does the dirty work
[03:59] <tseng__> im designing a rewrite in ruby
[03:59] <Mitario> allright
[03:59] <tseng__> is there a nice way to actually do non-web stuff in rails?
[04:00] <Mitario> sure is!
[04:00] <tseng__> because heres what im running into
[04:00] <Mitario> oh non-web
[04:00] <tseng__> i keep pulling in more and more rails components into my plans
[04:00] <Mitario> well you could indeed just fetch some ruby components..
[04:00] <tseng__> say i want to use ActiveRecord, MVC, etc
[04:00] <tseng__> but rails already does all that for you
[04:00] <Mitario> but it's not a webapp?
[04:00] <Mitario> jup
[04:00] <tseng__> its half a webapp
[04:00] <Mitario> ah
[04:00] <tseng__> but it does alot of the heavy work in the backend
[04:01] <tseng__> which is not web facing
[04:01] <Mitario> what kind of heavy work?
[04:01] <tseng__> it runs from cron
[04:01] <tseng__> discovering interfaces on routers
[04:01] <Mitario> ah
[04:01] <tseng__> polling them for in/out data
[04:01] <Mitario> right
[04:01] <Mitario> well of course you can do that with ruby
[04:01] <tseng__> i know :)
[04:01] <Mitario> you just need some rails wrapper
[04:01] <tseng__> ruby-snmp is LOVE
[04:01] <Mitario> for your backend work
[04:01] <Mitario> so you can have some data models
[04:02] <Mitario> so rails/AR can be your DBA
[04:02] <tseng__> yeah
[04:02] <Mitario> and webapp view side of course
[04:02] <tseng__> like, some of the same objects will be used in both sides of the app
[04:02] <tseng__> "devices" "interfaces"
[04:02] <Mitario> require 'activerecord'
[04:02] <Mitario> class Device << ActiveRecord
[04:02] <Mitario> end
[04:02] <Mitario> ;-)
[04:02] <tseng__> :)
[04:02] <tseng__> <3 AR
[04:03] <tseng__> the rails community is like #ubuntu
[04:03] <Mitario> rails community is rocking
[04:03] <tseng__> i dont know where to go to cut paste the crap
[04:03] <Mitario> all friendly people
[04:03] <tseng__> yeah, but so busy
[04:04] <kiko> griggin
[04:04] <Mitario> well actually, I've never head to actually e-mail/IRC to get help on RoR, the docs and system is just so nice
[04:04] <Mitario> but the ruby on rails list is very cool
[04:04] <Mitario> all the people are very friendly.. also for questions like
[04:04] <Mitario> 'how do I put a text in my View, and call it from the controller?'
[04:04] <Mitario> (such simple questions) they just answer it
[04:04] <Mitario> no RTFM lousy crap and stuff
[04:05] <tseng__> yeah
[04:05] <Mitario> i hate RTFM-people :)
[04:05] <tseng__> i might post my question about making rails classes used outside rails
[04:05] <tseng__> someone surely has done it
[04:05] <Mitario> oh yes yo ushould!
[04:05] <Mitario> and if you need any help
[04:05] <Mitario> tseng, actually, it's documented in the RoR documentation
[04:05] <Mitario> and in the Rails book
[04:05] <Mitario> how to use rails components outside of a web-environment
[04:06] <_derek> Mitario: rails book?
[04:06] <tseng__> hm wow
[04:06] <_derek> what book si that
[04:06] <_derek> i have been wanting to learn, a book would be perfect
[04:06] <tseng__> _derek: Agile Web DEvelopment with Rails
[04:06] <Mitario> _derek, well that's an alias, I like to call it the rails bible :)
[04:06] <tseng__> _derek: its GREAT.
[04:06] <Mitario> tseng, that's the one
[04:06] <Mitario> yeah it is
[04:06] <_derek> tseng__: thanks, i will take a look... i have no reason to learn rails, but it just seems sooo neat
[04:06] <Mitario> _derek, the author of Rails co-authored it
[04:07] <_derek> cool, who is the publisher?
[04:07] <Mitario> PragProg
[04:07] <_derek> ok :)
[04:07] <Mitario> http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/
[04:07] <Mitario> http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html :)
[04:07] <tseng__> get the book/pdf combo :)
[04:07] <_derek> yeah i am taking a look now
[04:07] <tseng__> and the pickaxe book
[04:08] <Mitario> pickaxe is very cool to, it's still in my office at work though :(
[04:08] <tseng__> thats why i got the pdf
[04:08] <tseng__> its portable
[04:08] <_derek> how hard is rOr to learn with out knowing ruby?
[04:09] <Mitario> _derek, not very hard
[04:09] <Mitario> the book has an 'introduction to ruby' chapter
[04:09] <_derek> oh that works :)
[04:10] <Mitario> but you can read trough the online introduction to ruby too..http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
[04:10] <Mitario> it's a very good/funny read
[04:10] <_derek> yeah, thats what i will probably do
[04:45] <Mitario> hrm again
[04:47] <siretart> :/
[04:54] <\sh> hey dudes...i have at least network connection here...but bad one
[04:55] <tseng__> hi
[04:56] <Mitario> heya sh
[04:56] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[04:57] <Mitario> right :p
[05:00] <\sh> but actually this place here is good, good food, good course, nice enviroment
[05:01] <\sh> and now updating new xorg over this damn line
[05:02] <Mitario> joy :)
[05:02] <Mitario> btw could someone add me to MOTU @ launchpad?
[05:09] <\sh> cu later dudes...we 're going to eat
[05:10] <siretart> cu \sh_away
[05:54] <lamont-away> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[05:54] <lamont-away> postgresql-dev(inst 7.5.8 ! << wanted 7.5)
[05:54] <lamont-away> ew!
[06:12] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:15] <ogra> lamont ?
[06:15] <lamont> mediawiki is ftbfs
[06:16] <ogra> hmm, since when ? it already built
[06:16] <lamont> must have been a poluted chroot if it built...
[06:16] <lamont> build-depends-indep is only installed on i386, and the package needs it to build on any arch
[06:17] <ogra> i'll look at it
[06:17] <lamont> iz trivial fix
[06:17] <lamont> note that only i386 binaries are in the archive...
[06:17] <lamont> specifically, the fix is to append the build-depends-indep list to the build-depends list, and drop build-depends indep
[06:17] <lamont> like so>
[06:17] <ogra> thats funny, my pbuilder is amd64 andi did a testbuild....
[06:17] <lamont> Build-Depends: patchutils (>= 0.2.25), xsltproc, docbook-xml, docbook-xsl, po-debconf, cdbs (>= 0.4.30), debhelper (>= 4.9.3), ocaml-nox | ocaml
[06:18] <lamont> pbuilder != sbuild
[06:18] <lamont> or rather, dpkg-buildpackage -B does: debian/rules build; debian/rules binary-arch
[06:18] <ogra> i thought in the case of build deps they might be similar...
[06:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:18] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[06:18] <lamont> did you tell pbuilder to only build arch: any?
[06:19] <ogra> nope
[06:19] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[06:19] <lamont> and they are specifically different in the case of (or'ed) build-deps
[06:19] <lamont> pbuilder choses the last one in the list, sbuild chooses the first.  (and in ubuntu, it chooses the first-available)
[06:20] <lamont> ogra: in any case, if the build: target in debian/rules needs a package, it has to be in build-depends, not build-depends-indep
[06:20] <lamont> and yes, that means that the policy document is wrong.
[06:20] <ogra> i'm not sure about that, looking at the package now...
[06:21] <ogra> it needs arxh all for the mediawiki package itself (only php scripts) and arch all for the mediawiki-math binary
[06:21] <ogra> err
[06:21] <ogra> replace the last s/all/any
[06:22] <ogra> so i have binary-indep and binary-arch...
[06:23] <_derek> is there a way to see if work is being done on a bug from bugzilla?
[06:23] <bddebian> Only if someone "took" it
[06:23] <_derek> status = new
[06:23] <_derek> its been confirmed
[06:25] <bddebian> So transitions are #1 priority atm?
[06:26] <ogra> yup
[06:42] <bddebian> Looks like they are all done or "almost done"
[06:44] <slomo> bddebian: cairo and gl/glu needs the most work afaik
[06:49] <sistpoty> ping siretart
[06:50] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[06:50] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[06:50] <siretart> ah, this reminds me. need to checkin latest revu changes..
[06:50] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:54] <asw> I'd like to see better support for the "X3D" graphics standard on Debian GNU/Linux and Ubuntu.  I'm also new to package management...
[06:54] <asw> I've started a little page at:  http://freebiology.org/wiki/X3D
[06:55] <asw> One package I'd like to see on Ubuntu is "Freewrl".  There is an experimental Debian package at:  http://pint.pmhahn.de/pmhahn/debian/sid/f/freewrl/
[06:55] <asw> It doesn't work on Ubuntu...
[06:55] <asw> pointers at FAQs, help, etc is appreciated.
[06:56] <asw> Am I in the right place?
[06:57] <asw> PS. this version of Freewrl compiles fine from source but I'm looking to get it included in Universe and I'd like to help with the process...
[06:57] <JanC> did you rebuild the package for ubuntu ?
[06:58] <asw> Janc - sorry I don't know how to do that? It's probably very easy... (just never done it before...)
[06:58] <JanC> there are some howtos on the wiki
[06:58] <asw> url?
[06:59] <JanC> this might be useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[06:59] <JanC> but also search for "MOTU"
[07:02] <sistpoty> ping lamont-away
[07:02] <asw> JanC - thank-you that looks very useful.
[07:02] <lamont-away> sistpoty: si?
[07:02] <sistpoty> do you have 5 mins for ghc6 bootstrapping issue?
[07:03] <lamont-away> what issue does it have, besides needing love?
[07:03] <lamont-away> again?\
[07:03] <sistpoty> well some friendly buildd-admin to do it ;)
[07:04] <lamont-away> bootstrapping it is more than a 5 minute task...
[07:04] <siretart> lamont-away: sistpoty packaged a preview release of ghc6, which builds with gcc-4.0
[07:04] <sistpoty> it is ;)
[07:04] <lamont-away> when last I tried to build it, it was FTBFS with 4.0
[07:04] <sistpoty> actually the howto do it talk takes 5 mins ;)
[07:04] <lamont-away> so if there's a gcc-4.0 friendly version in the archive, I'll add it to my todo list
[07:05] <sistpoty> hm... it's a little bit more complicated
[07:05] <lamont-away> sistpoty: email me with the steps - I'm supposed to already be out the door
[07:05] <siretart> lamont-away: so we should upload a ghc6 version which we know that will ftbfs and ping you again?
[07:05] <sistpoty> lamont-away: ok, i will do... email-addy?
[07:05] <lamont-away> if the source is only lacking in bootstrapping, sure.
[07:05] <lamont-away> since what's there now is 100% ftbfs...
[07:06] <lamont-away> that is, your upload doesn't make it worse, and makes it possible to fix it with a little love
[07:06] <lamont-away> lamont@ubuntu.com
[07:06] <sistpoty> ok, thx
[07:06] <siretart> okay. we will do that, then
[07:06] <lamont-away> jbailey_: you really there, or just bouncy-bouncy?
[07:06] <siretart> thnx
[07:07] <jbailey_> lamont-away: Really here.  Glad to see freenode is back.
[07:07] <jbailey_> Bouncy, hmm.
[07:07] <jbailey_> why am I jbailey_ ?
[07:07] <jbailey_> Jason Bailey, hmm.
[07:07] <bddebian> hehe
[07:08] <lamont-away> time to ghost him, eh?
[07:08] <chillywilly> jbailey_: boot him :)
[07:08] <jbailey_> chillywilly: Well, I'm asking politely first.
[07:10] <chillywilly> you da man
[07:10] <bddebian> :-)
[07:21] <siretart> hui. xen packages for breezy!
[07:22] <_derek> siretart: they are done?
[07:23] <siretart> look at latest posting to ubuntu-devel
[07:23] <_derek> lemme check
[07:23] <_derek> hasn't come in my digest yet, lemme look the old way
[07:24] <_derek> cool :)
[07:27] <_derek> now we just need a tutorial, cuz i heard xen is hard to setup
[07:27] <siretart> first we need to test them
[07:28] <_derek> haha yeah
[07:29] <mvo> I was just looking over the open bugs and noticed that #14309 is a gftp universe bug. looks like it's not difficult to fix (debian has a fix, it's a matter of extracting the patch from there). if someone is interessted ;)
[07:44] <slomo> jbailey: ping?
[07:44] <jbailey> slomo: pong
[07:45] <slomo> jbailey: again the ppc problem... did you have some new ideas what can be tried? i also tried the daily from the 28. but that doesn't help either (was with initramfs-tools 0.24 then)
[07:46] <jbailey> slomo: I don't have a clue.  BenC wasn't able to help you at all?
[07:47] <jbailey> slomo: The problem is that on my PPC system here, it boots, but for you it's pretty clearly not even loading the stuff.
[07:47] <slomo> jbailey: nope... he tried to reproduce it but for him everything worked
[07:48] <slomo> jbailey: would be nice to have someone else with an ibook g4 to test it... could it be that the module for the ide controller is missing or something?
[07:48] <jbailey> slomo: Not at that stage.
[07:49] <jbailey> That's a long time before drivers are needed for anything other than a framebuffer.
[07:49] <jbailey> and IIRC, those are all built into the kernel
[07:49] <jbailey> Can you post your actual initramfsfile somewhere for me to look at?
[07:51] <slomo> jbailey: sure... *boots rescue again* do we have some daily flying around with an older kernel but with initramfs? maybe it's really a kernel problem...
[07:51] <jbailey> No idea.
[07:51] <jbailey> I've been using initramfs on my ppc boxes since February or so, though.
[07:52] <jbailey> Any 2.6.12 kernel ought to do if you haveone.
[07:52] <slomo> hm maybe i'll try installing from colony 3 later...
[07:53] <slomo> that's exactly the problem... i have none because of reinstalling ;)
[07:54] <jbailey> Are you James Warren, btw?
[07:54] <jbailey> err.  Jared Warren
[07:54] <jbailey> If not, I might have a bugzilla bug for this too.
[07:55] <slomo> nope... i don't know a jared warren ;)
[07:55] <tseng__> i just got my laptop today
[07:55] <tseng__> X doesnt come up from the livecd :/
[07:55] <tseng__> time to get a colony 3 cd
[07:56] <tseng__> this british keyboard is just slightly odd :)
[07:57] <slomo> jbailey: what bugzilla bug?
[07:57] <jbailey> Nope, it's unrealyed.  But 14211 if you're otherwise curious.
[08:09] <slomo> jbailey: http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/initrd.img-2.6.12-7-powerpc
[08:11] <slomo> jbailey: even when setting root=/dev/hda3 for the kernel commandline it does the same
[08:12] <sistpoty> anybody willing to review ghc6/haddock?
[08:13] <jbailey> slomo: Right, it's not loading the initramfs and running it.  I don't think any command line parameters should make a difference.
[08:19] <ivoks> khm...
[08:20] <slomo> jbailey: well... then i try installing colony 3 and when that doesn't work colony 2 again ;)
[08:23] <jbailey> slomo: This is an iBook g4, you said, right?
[08:23] <slomo> jbailey: yes
[08:23] <jbailey> I would've thought there'd be others with problems too.. =(
[08:24] <slomo> do you know someone with an ibook g4 who runs ubuntu?
[08:32] <ivoks> bddebian2: here?
[08:38] <andandare> hello guys. I have a packaging question. Is this channel the right  place? May be something changed in policy and i didn't notice it yet.
[08:39] <ivoks> shot
[08:40] <slomo> andandare: you're in the right channel... just ask your questions ;)
[08:42] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[08:42] <andandare> ivoks: well when i check my ubuntu package, lintian tells me that license should be at /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/copyright.
[08:42] <siretart> ivoks: but very quick, just wanted to log off ;)
[08:42] <ivoks> siretart: where do we send packages that we fix (GLU transition)?
[08:42] <ivoks> revu?
[08:42] <ivoks> andandare: that's right
[08:43] <siretart> ivoks: it it is a small fix, I'm not sure if it's worth an upload. better put your debdiff in this case somewhere and poke a motu to upload
[08:43] <ivoks> i'm mout :)
[08:43] <ivoks> motu :))
[08:43] <andandare> ivoks: ivoks: ok, but should i copy this in debian/rules? I never needed it.
[08:44] <siretart> err, sorry
[08:44] <ivoks> :)) np
[08:44] <siretart> ivoks: have you upload rights?
[08:44] <siretart> i.e. has elmo added you already?
[08:44] <ivoks> siretart: i was told i do; didn't try for some time...
[08:44] <siretart> ivoks: if you have fixed a package for GL/GLU, just upload it
[08:44] <ivoks> ok
[08:44] <siretart> ivoks: grats, btw :)
[08:45] <ivoks> siretart: for what? :)
[08:45] <siretart> ivoks: for motuness! :)
[08:45] <ivoks> siretart: ah, that was in may :))
[08:45] <siretart> its late here, I'm overworked :(
[08:45] <ivoks> np :)
[08:45] <ivoks> andandare: ok..
[08:46] <ivoks> andandare: only thing you need to do is create file in debian/ called copyright
[08:46] <ivoks> andandare: with proper text
[08:46] <andandare> ivoks: if i have defined debian/copyright properly, what i should do in order to pass lintian's tests?
[08:46] <ivoks> andandare: in your rules
[08:47] <siretart> ok. cu all, if there are problems with revu, ping me or sistpoty
[08:47] <ivoks> andandare: you should have dh_installdocs
[08:47] <ivoks> siretart: bye
[08:47] <siretart> cu tomorrow
[08:48] <andandare> ivoks: thanks ivoks, i'll review this tomorrow in my office.
[08:48] <ivoks> np
[08:48] <andandare> cu
[08:52] <ivoks> Lathiat: ping
[08:57] <ivoks> bddebian: freebsd debian is out
[08:58] <ivoks> bddebian: i guess, as soon as hurd becomes stable, we will have debian hurd too :)
[08:58] <bddebian> ivoks: Really?? :-)
[08:59] <slomo> btw, how's the progress on hurd/L4?
[09:00] <bddebian> slomo: Slow as ever. ;-P
[09:00] <bddebian> ivoks: Where did you see/hear about freebsd?
[09:01] <slomo> bddebian: too bad... that would be something i really like to try ;)
[09:01] <michaelrhead> hi
[09:02] <bddebian> Hello michaelrhead
[09:03] <ivoks> http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/
[09:03] <michaelrhead> howdy. I'm working on a new pygtk program that I'd like to package up for ubuntu and potentially debian, too.
[09:04] <jbailey> slomo: No, I don't.
[09:04] <michaelrhead> it's my first linux-oriented opensource program, so I'd like to get the source and 'binary' packages right.
[09:05] <bddebian> ivoks: Big deal, we have a live-CD too ;-P
[09:05] <ivoks> http://distroreviews.com/index.php?view=117
[09:05] <ivoks> bddebian: don't get me wrong - i love ubuntu
[09:05] <bddebian> :-)
[09:06] <michaelrhead> I'm left with two questions: 1) does anyone have a skeleton of a python source package (do python people bother using autoconf?), 2) how do I get starting making debs for a python package?
[09:06] <ivoks> but, i would love to see another kernels...
[09:06] <ivoks> linux is just getting to... i wouldn't say crapy, but too many suits around it
[09:06] <ivoks> michaelrhead: i'm writing one python package
[09:06] <bddebian> :-)
[09:07] <ivoks> michaelrhead: and i did a deb of one python package
[09:07] <ivoks> you don't need autoconf :)
[09:08] <ivoks> what's the difference beetwean source python and 'binary' python? :) it's a script :)
[09:08] <slomo> but if you want to torment you you can use autotools ;)
[09:08] <michaelrhead> right
[09:08] <michaelrhead> well, a .deb is to my mind a 'binary' package
[09:08] <michaelrhead> and the tarball is the source package
[09:08] <ivoks> right
[09:08] <michaelrhead> maybe I should just say .deb and source package
[09:08] <ivoks> sort of :)
[09:09] <ivoks> michaelrhead: have you read debian maintainer guide?
[09:09] <michaelrhead> I've started looking at it... but it's a bit long
[09:09] <michaelrhead> :-P
[09:09] <ivoks> :)
[09:09] <ivoks> well, packaging is a bit tricky
[09:10] <michaelrhead> and I wasn't sure that everything was totally up to date.
[09:10] <michaelrhead> (is dh_make the current thing to use to create the debian/ directory?)
[09:11] <ivoks> yes
[09:12] <michaelrhead> cool
[09:14] <michaelrhead> well, I'll save this log and come back later.
[09:15] <michaelrhead> thanks for the initial info.
[09:22] <sistpoty> goodbye everyone
[10:05] <ajmitch> morning
[10:13] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:16] <Mitario> good evening
[11:17] <slomo> good evening Mitario :)
[11:17] <Mitario> :)
[11:17] <ajmitch> hi Mitario, slomo
[11:17] <Mitario> heya ajmitch
[11:17] <Mitario> and slmo of course
[11:17] <Mitario> ehm slomo
[11:17] <Mitario> any word from elmo?
[11:19] <slomo> nope... he hasn't written anything in -devel today
[11:19] <ivoks> hi
[11:19] <slomo> ivoks: why?
[11:20] <ivoks> slomo: to find out is my email whitelisted for uploads
[11:20] <ivoks> cause, there were some problems few months ago...
[11:20] <slomo> ivoks: did you try to upload something?
[11:20] <ivoks> yes
[11:20] <ivoks> but uploads are silently droped
[11:21] <ivoks> if they are droped
[11:21] <slomo> ok, then probably your problem is the same as ours... your key has to be added to the upload keyring
[11:22] <ajmitch> so I have to watch breezy changes to see if something is accepted :)
[11:22] <ivoks> :)
[11:23] <Mitario> multimap.com rocks
[11:24] <Mitario> it actually shows a map on my house
[11:25] <ivoks> hehe
[11:26] <ivoks> not for me :)
[11:26] <Mitario> so guys if you want to come around ;)
[11:26] <Mitario> http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=52.0209&lon=4.6946&scale=5000&icon=x
[11:26] <Mitario> on the metre
[11:26] <ivoks> http://tinyurl.com/b7yof
[11:26] <ivoks> that's me
[11:27] <Mitario> croatia :)
[11:27] <Mitario> hmm never been there :(
[11:27] <ivoks> i was never in netherland :)
[11:27] <Mitario> heh
[11:28] <ivoks> closest i was when i was in duisburg, germany
[11:29] <Mitario> heh
[11:29] <Mitario> closest I was, was probably greece or the czech republic
[11:30] <ivoks> lol
[11:30] <ivoks> that's far away
[11:31] <dredg> lo
[11:31] <Mitario> hi dredg
[11:32] <dredg> anyone have any objections if i upload a new faad2 to fix malone #1728?
[11:32] <dredg> i've been out of this too long :)
[11:37] <ajmitch> dredg: new upstream version?
[11:37] <dredg> ajmitch: no, just adds a missing Replaces:
[11:37] <ajmitch> oh, go ahead then (assuming it's in universe/multiverse) :)
[11:38] <dredg> i'm aware of UVF :)
[11:38] <dredg> yeah, multiverse
[11:39] <ajmitch> dredg: yes, and the running of the gauntlet to get new upstream versions in :)
[11:39] <dredg> indeed :) i don't feel like facing ogra on that :)
[11:39] <Mitario> going to bed again :)
[11:39] <Mitario> good night everyon!
[11:40] <slomo> dredg: tell me about faad2 ;)
[11:41] <ajmitch> dredg: don't worry, ogra's not the only one you can ask :)
[11:41] <slomo> dredg: at least i'm the one who has broken something there ;)
[11:42] <dredg> slomo: you're sebastan droege?
[11:42] <dredg> hi
[11:42] <slomo> dredg: yes... what Replaces is missing?
[11:42] <dredg> bug report says it all. it was brought to my attention by a friend actually
[11:43] <dredg> libmp4v2-0 should have Replaces: libmp4-0 in its control info
[11:43] <dredg> to quote directly from #1728
[11:43] <slomo> dredg: did we ever have a libmp4-0?
[11:43] <dredg> it was leading to circular doom.
[11:43] <dredg> seemingly so, at least i found someone who had it installed
[11:44] <slomo> dredg: that's weird... we don't have this in warty, hoary and breezy
[11:44] <slomo> dredg: i'll look whether marillat has this one
[11:44] <dredg> hmm
[11:45] <slomo> dredg: yes... he has... uh... well, i'll fix that after looking what he has done there ;)
[11:45] <dredg> slomo: great.
[11:46] <ivoks> slomo: if you catch elmo, could you remind him to whitelist my key/email too?
[11:46] <slomo> ivoks: sure
[11:46] <ivoks> ok, bye guys
[11:46] <ivoks> slomo: thanks
[11:47] <Mitario> slomo, i'll draw him into a corner tomorrow at the CC meeting :)
[11:48] <slomo> dredg: uh... whatever he has done there... it is really ugly :/ took the faad2 source tarball and build a libmp4 out of it... why don't he build this with the faad2 sourcepackage? well...
[11:49] <slomo> dredg: i'll add a conflicts/replaces...
[11:49] <dredg> slomo: well that sounds, erm, special
[11:53] <slomo> dredg: and apply some patches to make it more 64bit clean...
[11:57] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I want to file a bug to totem-xine in malone, but the stupid system is buggy.
[11:57] <HiddenWolf> I can't file it, can anyone of you?
[11:58] <dredg> how do you mean?
[11:59] <dredg> HiddenWolf: sorry, taht was directed at you
[11:59] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: what issues are you having with malone?