[12:00] <Jhair> Webby`, also check if you have libc6-dev installed
[12:00] <cemc> where the xp is installed
[12:00] <cemc> hdc is the ubuntu,
[12:00] <cemc> and hdd is stuff
[12:00] <funkyHat> question is will your bios try primary slave first, or secondary master first
[12:00] <cemc> now that's a goood question :)
[12:01] <funkyHat> Homerr, now you have windows working, i would reinstall ubuntu, it may take longer than reinstalling grub, but it has a good chance of working
[12:01] <crimsun> MaxKyoto: http://www.gnome.org/contact/
[12:01] <Webby`> ok
[12:01] <Homerr> suppose i should just move my arse and re configure the hd's
[12:01] <Webby`> brb
[12:01] <funkyHat> just don't change the boot flag (i know i keep going on about that :P) and tell it 'yes install grub'
[12:01] <MaxKyoto> crimsun: thanks, will try
[12:02] <cemc> Homerr: didn't you reinstall ubuntu like a zillion times already? :)
[12:02] <QMario> How do I set myself to "+E"?
[12:02] <gratuit> ok, I'm running breezy on amd64, and when I try to run ooffice2 I get the error, "no suitable windowing system found, exiting." Anyone know what could cause this?
[12:02] <funkyHat> cemc, yes he did, after breaking his boot flag
[12:02] <Homerr> if i put it like this: hdb pri master, hdc pri slave, dvdrw sec master, hdd sec slave
[12:02] <Homerr> that should stop all of this crap
[12:02] <QMario> Gratuit, Breezy is still developing... :'(
[12:03] <cemc> Homerr: hm, i guess then you will have some problems starting windows... but i'm not sure ;)
[12:03] <funkyHat> Homerr, it might not make any difference, and chances are it will break windows again
[12:03] <gratuit> QMario: yes and bugs need to be found in it, so if this is one, then I would like to report it, but I figured I'd ask just in case it was some easy fix
[12:03] <Homerr> ok ill re install ubuntu
[12:03] <Homerr> see if it does anything
[12:03] <cemc> but the idea is to have hda as a harddisk
[12:04] <Homerr> if it breaks windows, ill unbreak windows and call it a night
[12:04] <Homerr> and have another go tommorow
[12:04] <cemc> hehh :)
[12:04] <thespiritoftal> hi
[12:04] <funkyHat> does anyone here use BitchX? i like the look of it, but i can't figure out how to switch between the rooms i'm in!
[12:05] <funkyHat> (or other stuff like that, lol, it's just confusing, and the help files are no good too)
[12:05] <Homerr> oh crap daddy longlegs
[12:05] <Homerr> ROFL IT FLEW INTO THE CPU FAN
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> funkyHat: use irssi
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> funkyHat: bitchx < irssi
[12:05] <funkyHat> ok :)
[12:05] <funkyHat> :P
[12:06] <funkyHat> and i can use irssi :)
[12:06] <thespiritoftal> when I try to install sun-j2rel.5 it says there is no such package? why was it removed?
[12:06] <EasterSunshine> bitchx is console?
[12:06] <funkyHat> yup
[12:06] <Homerr> it survived the cpu fan
[12:06] <Homerr> but just got chewed up by the case fan
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: yes
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> you can use it in conjuction with screen to connect seamlessly from anywhere in the world
[12:07] <thespiritoftal> anyone knows a way to install java? it was removed from the repositories that are written in ubuntuguide
[12:07] <cemc> Homerr: :)
[12:07] <funkyHat> also can anyone else help me set up running screen when i open a terminal window/ log in on a tty
[12:08] <funkyHat> :( setting screen as my shell would break stuff... as shell would then try to invoke shell... etc etc
[12:08] <Homerr> cemc watching ubuntu re install now
[12:08] <topyli> how do you maintain a usb keyring? it's fat after all, should i defrag it from time to time? :-)
[12:08] <cemc> funkyHat: can't you just put somewhere in .bashrc,
[12:08] <cemc> or something like that ?
[12:09] <funkyHat> no
[12:09] <funkyHat> when screen loads, it invokes the shell
[12:09] <halley> topyli, there's no performance benefit to defragging a device where any sector can be read at the same speed.
[12:09] <funkyHat> so if i put it in .bashrc, bash will start, which will start screen, which will invoke bash, which will start screen.....
[12:09] <thespiritoftal> noone knows anything about java here???
[12:10] <funkyHat> ubotu, tell thespiritoftal about java
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> no
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> don't set screenas your shell
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> that's crazy wack
[12:10] <topyli> halley: because it's flash?
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> just login, run screen -dr
[12:10] <funkyHat> but i'm lazy and want screen to start by itself :P
[12:11] <drrakn> funkyHat: export an env variable called SCREEN_ALREADY_LOADED=1
[12:11] <drrakn> and use a conditional
[12:11] <drrakn> to skip loading it the second time around
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> funkyHat: erm
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> funkyHat: what about when you want to reconnect to it
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> or when you want >1 terminal
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> I don't think you've thought this through
[12:12] <funkyHat> i haven't :P
[12:13] <funkyHat> i guess you're right though, i'll just have to remember to start screen when i open a terminal
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> nah just start screen when you start irrsi once
[12:13] <Homerr> PLEASE PLAY BALL!
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> (screen irssi)
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> then... every other time, run screen -dr
[12:14] <Kagen> Ubuntu OmFg. <_<
[12:14] <Parisi> okie okie
[12:14] <funkyHat> HrdwrBoB, this is more general than just for using irssi, but yeah :)
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> well yeah
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> then just make new entries within that screen
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> with ctrl-a c
[12:15] <robotgeek> HrdwrBoB: i have a screen question too.
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> robotgeek: shoot
[12:15] <arik> how do i change pass for root?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> screen is the Best Think Ever
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> arik: sudo passwd
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> !sudo
[12:15] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:15] <robotgeek> HrdwrBoB: bindkey -d kb stuff ^H should bind my delete key to backspace, right..all if does is sound a visual bell?
[12:16] <_adam> Can someone assist me in upgrading KDE?
[12:16] <robotgeek> HrdwrBoB: something to do with rxvt, you think?
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> robotgeek: hrm... it should work already
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> oh.. yes
[12:16] <cemc> i guess i'm going to bed now... Homerr good luck with the reinstall, we'll talk tomorrow ;)
[12:16] <pax> _adam: from what to what?
[12:16] <Homerr> ok grub stage cemc
[12:16] <Homerr> might as well stick around for another minute :p
[12:16] <QMario> What is the difference between Java and Javascript?
[12:17] <Homerr> "Running grub install (hd0)
[12:17] <cemc> ok
[12:17] <_adam> 3.4.0 to current
[12:17] <Homerr> rebooting
[12:17] <_adam> i think .2?
[12:17] <pax> _adam: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[12:17] <Homerr> disk boot faliure
[12:17] <Homerr> aiight cemc ill talk to you tommorow ill unbork windows and then sort out the drive configuration tommorow
[12:18] <Parisi> How can i enable root under a terminal?
[12:18] <Parisi> I just wanna set a pass for root
[12:18] <robotgeek> ubotu tell Parisi about sudo
[12:18] <crimsun> QMario: the latter is a scripting language; the former is more powerful (generally). The only thing they have in common is the string "Java"
[12:18] <Parisi> Thanks
[12:18] <ttyS0> Parisi, sudo passwd root
[12:18] <cemc> Homerr: okk
[12:18] <cemc> good night all
[12:18] <robotgeek> ttyS0: don't tell that!
[12:18] <Homerr> nn cemc
[12:18] <ttyS0> i won't
[12:18] <Homerr> have a good one
[12:18] <ttyS0> =)
[12:18] <Parisi> got it.
[12:19] <robotgeek> HrdwrBoB: doesn't work in aterm/rxvt, but does work in xterm. damn, i gotta debug now!
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> robotgeek: yarg
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> QMario: java is a full programming langauge
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> QMario: javascript is a small scripting language in web pages
[12:20] <robotgeek> HrdwrBoB: i am in no mood to read that stuff on a sunday evening, i'll just use separate xterms :)
[12:20] <thespiritoftal> is there a way to use csh with ubuntu?
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> thespiritoftal: if you really, really, really have to
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> you can apt-get install csh
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> and then change your shell to it
[12:22] <thespiritoftal> well when I do that it says 0 packages found
[12:22] <arik> HrdwrBoB: im on dual boot. how do i change order of my OS?
[12:22] <Kagen> how user friendly is UBUNTU?
[12:22] <arik> im a beginner
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> arik: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:22] <thespiritoftal> ubotu, tell thespiritoftal about csh
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> Kagen: very
[12:22] <thespiritoftal> rofl
[12:22] <arik> i only type: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:22] <Kagen> hmm, I used the shipit system off the site, i'll try it out when I get it.
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> arik: type 'sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.list
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> Kagen: cool
[12:23] <robotgeek> someone ones said, "Unix is user-friendly. It's only selective about who it's friends with"
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> Kagen: shipit usually takes a long time
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> robotgeek: heh :)
[12:23] <robotgeek> ones/once
[12:23] <abbynormal> I just installed a brand new Gigabyte NVidia GeForce 6200 (AGP). When the driver loads, the screen is so dark, it's nearly impossible to see anything.
[12:23] <abbynormal> I reinstalled the official driver and it didn't make any difference, it looks exactly the same.
[12:24] <abbynormal> too dark
[12:24] <thespiritoftal> fear of the dark
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> abbynormal: have you searched for users with similar issues?
[12:25] <abbynormal> HrdwrBoB, as a matter of fact i have and came up with squat
[12:25] <Kagen> so basically i'm better off downloading it if I want to do it anytime soon? lol
[12:25] <CQriT> 
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> abbynormal: :/
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> Kagen: yes :)
[12:26] <abbynormal> HrdwrBoB, i searched the ubuntu forums and google and got nothing
[12:26] <Kagen> Ah screw it. time to download.
[12:27] <abbynormal> HrdwrBoB, i dual boot and everything works fine under wind'ohs
[12:27] <abbynormal> so i know it's not the monitor
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> abbynormal: well I take it it works before X loads
[12:27] <Parisi> Try a differente distro?
[12:27] <Parisi> Try a live distro such as Knoppix and see what happens..
[12:28] <Parisi> If it does work borrow the x config file.
[12:28] <robotgeek> does anyone run breezy here?
[12:28] <abbynormal> HrdwrBoB, yeah, if i boot in the ubuntu recovery mode, the screen is fine
[12:28] <_adam> What is the actual package name for the KDE update?
[12:29] <abbynormal> Parisi, i need hardware acceleration. i play NWN under linux, it runs better than it does under win
[12:30] <Parisi> abbynormal,  what does that have to do with anything? The nvidia drivers happens to use the same config file layout.
[12:30] <Parisi> Does it work fine under the generic driver?
[12:31] <mirak_> I upgraded to breezy. I though gnome 2.12 woud have more evolutions
[12:31] <abbynormal> Parisi, because when the accelerated driver loads, it causes the screen to be too dark. i could just as easily switch to the "nv" driver
[12:32] <abbynormal> Parisi, but that wouldn't really solve my problem
[12:32] <Kagen> i'll be back around here if I need some help with ubuntu, later guys. :)
[12:32] <Parisi> So you saying it works fine when you switch to the "nv" driver?
[12:32] <rustybucket> What is "NWN?????"
[12:32] <abbynormal> rustybucket, Neverwinter Nights
[12:33] <rustybucket> Adventure game?
[12:33] <Parisi> I would recommend you play it under windows anyways.
[12:33] <Parisi> Unless it isnt an option.
[12:33] <rustybucket> rodger that
[12:33] <abbynormal> Parisi, i will take you recommendation under advisement
[12:34] <Parisi> I usually stick with XP for things like that.
[12:34] <abbynormal> Parisi, that's nice
[12:34] <Parisi> Altough if i had a choice i'd be 99% OSX
[12:35] <Parisi> The other 1% WIN/LINUX/BSD
[12:35] <Parisi> But i cant afford my new powerbook just yet ;p
[12:36] <robotgeek> powerbooks bad for linux
[12:36] <Parisi> Nah, competition is good, and besides.. Ubuntu runs under the g4 just as fine.
[12:37] <robotgeek> Parisi: fine, but not great
[12:37] <Parisi> Really?
[12:37] <Parisi> I wouldnt really know.
[12:37] <Parisi> Iv only tried mandrake on a g4
[12:37] <robotgeek> I am on a powerbook
[12:37] <Parisi> And it ran fast as ***!!!
[12:37] <Parisi> Ah nice.
[12:37] <robotgeek> no airport extreme support, no s-video out
[12:37] <Parisi> Thats crappy.
[12:38] <robotgeek> the newer ones don't have support for even touchpad, so there!
[12:38] <Parisi> Sorry to hear that.
[12:38] <robotgeek> i have an old powerbook :)
[12:38] <Parisi> I would rather user osx tiger anyways
[12:38] <Parisi> I might be getting either a 12'' or 15'' 1.33
[12:38] <robotgeek> Parisi: i prefer the linux environment
[12:39] <Parisi> robotgeek,  I do for certain things as well.
[12:39] <Parisi> But i use the OS mostly for commercial applications.
[12:39] <robotgeek> all i do on my laptop is check email, browse and chat, and well watch movies
[12:39] <Parisi> So its a No No
[12:39] <robotgeek> Parisi: hmm, true
[12:39] <Parisi> Such as Logic Pro, Garageband, my line 6 software..
[12:40] <Parisi> Etc..
[12:40] <robotgeek> Parisi: cool
[12:40] <Parisi> I would like to get my mom into Ubuntu
[12:40] <Parisi> Shes constanly having problems under XP on her new laptop.
[12:41] <Parisi> brb
[12:41] <robotgeek> yeah, it doesn't really matter what os if you just browse and check email
[12:42] <Parisi> Well, i cant really recommend windows for a new user for even those.
[12:42] <funkyHat> except linux is harder to break than windows by 'just browsing and checking email'
[12:42] <Parisi> Its asking for trouble later on.
[12:42] <robotgeek> :)
[12:42] <Parisi> Windows is fragile
[12:45] <funkyHat> windows is like ermentil cheese
[12:45] <funkyHat> *emmental
[12:47] <drrakn> what is the story for spam filtering and evolution for breezy? is it still to install spamassassin from universe?
[12:47] <puff> Hi... having a little problem with my wireless.  I think it may be  because I installed whereami, but now the system doesn't see the wireless at all.
[12:47] <GoClick> I'm having an issue changing a password with smbpasswd you can see the output at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1707
[12:48] <tritium> gorilla, /umode +ce
[12:48] <gorilla> tritium, I did, thanks :-)
[12:48] <tritium> :)
[12:49] <gorilla> tritium, I still hate them :-D
[12:49] <tritium> yep ;)
[12:53] <AptGet> anybody out there play any cool games?
[12:53] <gsuveg> re
[12:53] <gsuveg> anybody use gizmo ?
[12:53] <affe|GeFeldz> I have nforce4 ultra and X800XL and i just installed Ubuntu AMD64. When the X server tries to start, it dies and says "no screens".
[12:54] <affe|GeFeldz> after i've looked into it, it finds my X800XL, ut can't access it with the PCI id
[12:54] <affe|GeFeldz> What should i do?
[12:55] <affe|GeFeldz> bump
[12:56] <Parisi> bbl
[12:56] <affe|GeFeldz> a little help?
[12:57] <AptGet> anyone play bzflag?
[12:57] <AptGet> affe|GeFeldz: whats the problem?
[12:57] <affe|GeFeldz> I can't get into X
[12:58] <puff> Hm, looks like even though I did "apt-get remove whereami", it didn't fully remove it.  The error message I get when I do "ifup eth1" starts with a whereami error.
[12:58] <gorilla> AptGet, I used to... don't have the time now.
[12:58] <affe|GeFeldz> See above
[12:59] <jsubl2> affe|GeFeldz, you could edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and set the driver to vesa.  it is probably ati now
[12:59] <EasterSunshine> what is the syntax to change an environmental variable?
[01:00] <gorilla> AptGet, otherwise try armagetron for another poished game.
[01:00] <drrakn> export VARIABLE=value
[01:00] <affe|GeFeldz> jsub12 Ok, so how can i edit that file? I'm a linux noob... Is there like an "edit" command like in dos?
[01:00] <drrakn> nano?
[01:00] <jsubl2> affe|GeFeldz, nano
[01:01] <EasterSunshine> drrakn: thx
[01:01] <affe|GeFeldz> nano=edit?
[01:01] <jsubl2> affe|GeFeldz, yes
[01:01] <drrakn> np -- note that that will be temporary and only affect programs launched from the current terminal session
[01:01] <affe|GeFeldz> Thanks, i'll try this =) I'll be back if it didn't work!
[01:03] <essense> sorry for the silly question but.. just installed Ubuntu, not too good with linux but know a little, i have a mp3 folder on my ntfs partition i want to read from the play mp3s, have mounted it in /home but i cannot chown it over because "read only filesystem"... but i only want to be able to read to it anyway heh.. could anyone help please?
[01:03] <ThePyromaniac> howdy, dont suppose there is anyone around that has got WoW working on ubuntu with a AMD64?
[01:03] <ThePyromaniac> i know a file to read NTFS
[01:03] <ThePyromaniac> hang no
[01:03] <ThePyromaniac> hang on*
[01:03] <essense> k thanks =] 
[01:04] <jsubl2> essence https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:04] <ThePyromaniac> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:04] <ThePyromaniac> save this file to your hd. run it once in command line
[01:04] <XKpe> where can i find portuguese sources list?
[01:04] <ThePyromaniac> then u can delete it. instructions are there
[01:04] <AptGet> gorilla: hey thanks....cool game
[01:05] <ThePyromaniac> what game?
[01:05] <_adam> Will these sources work for an AMD 64? "http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php"
[01:05] <essense> ThePyromaniac, thanks will try it
[01:06] <jsubl2> _adam, see http://kubuntu.org for the latest kde sources.
[01:07] <puff> Anybody understand the whereami package?
[01:07] <essense> ThePyromaniac, how do i run it? =]  thought it was ./blah but doesn't work
[01:07] <ThePyromaniac> im just trying myself
[01:07] <concept10> Anyone know how to display the usermode buttons in XChat?  I dont not see the option
[01:08] <jsubl2> _adam, yes they are the latest.. and sources are same for 32/64
[01:09] <essense> jsubl2, your telling me Ubuntu restricts you from playing mp3s?
[01:10] <puff> essense I had a little trouble getting ubuntu to play mp3s, had to figure out the right additional package to install.
[01:10] <ThePyromaniac> essense, cant seem to do it
[01:10] <essense> puff, did you find one? :)
[01:11] <ThePyromaniac> what package do you need to run mp3's?
[01:11] <puff> I installed rhythmbox, but it didn't play mp3s until I found and installed the additional package.
[01:11] <ivoks> libgstreamer0.8-mad
[01:11] <puff> Hm, well, a quick dpg -l | fgrep -i mp3 shows me liblame0 and libshout3.
[01:12] <essense> ok lets have a look..
[01:12] <XKpe> i just download and isntalled ubuntu and after booting when gdm started i could only see squars on the screen.. there was no error and i heard the sound of the login screen.. can anyone give me a help?
[01:13] <puff> Hm, well, nobody groks whereami, and I've gotta giv ehtis laptop back to the guy I borrowed it from.  Guess I'll poke around and try to figure it out on my own.
[01:14] <puff> thanks alll, catchha later.
[01:15] <drrakn> gorilla: that game does rock :)
[01:15] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[01:16] <essense> ok back to my original question, how do i allow a user to access an NTFS mounted partition as chown says "read only filesystem"
[01:16] <nightswim> specify the user at mount-time
[01:17] <nightswim> probably -o uid or -o user= or something
[01:17] <essense> in fstab?
[01:17] <essense> ok thanks
[01:17] <nightswim> man mount should tell you the ntfs details
[01:17] <drrakn> the man page describes the mount options: "uid=value, gid=value, and umask=value"
[01:18] <kamel> how do i find the default root password for ubuntu livecd?
[01:18] <GoClick> I'm having an issue changing a password with smbpasswd you can see the output at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1707
[01:19] <DonL> kamel, I believe it's root
[01:19] <kamel> oh
[01:19] <kamel> lemme try brb
[01:19] <kamel> no, wasn't root :(
[01:20] <essense> whats the command to show all programs running?
[01:20] <nightswim> ps uax
[01:20] <nightswim> or top
[01:20] <kamel> ps uaxf
[01:20] <kamel> heh
[01:20] <essense> bingo :)
[01:20] <kamel> ps ax actually
[01:20] <nightswim> that too
[01:20] <nightswim> or ps -ef
[01:20] <kamel> heh
[01:20] <nightswim> sysv stylee
[01:21] <DonL> kamel, when you first boot the live ubuntu, it tells you what the passwords are.
[01:21] <kamel> ah crap
[01:21] <kamel> lol
[01:22] <GoClick> How do I make a link in /etc/init.d so that apache will start automaticaly?
[01:22] <nightswim> you dont make it there
[01:22] <GoClick> Oh?
[01:22] <GoClick> What do I do?
[01:22] <nightswim> you make a link in the appropriate /etc/rcX.d
[01:22] <nightswim> to the one in /etc/init.d
[01:22] <bluesceada> default is to start it automatically .. isn't it
[01:23] <DonL> I'm going out and coming back on the live cd.... brb
[01:23] <GoClick> nightswim,  I assume that X there means whatever run level?
[01:23] <nightswim> GoClick: yes :)
[01:23] <essense> how do you get rid of a program displaying cause it's crashed :|
[01:23] <nightswim> which would be 2
[01:23] <nightswim> if it's debian style
[01:23] <Concord_Dawn> spambots lose.
[01:23] <Concord_Dawn> bigtime
[01:23] <GoClick> nightswim,  Ok so how do I make said link to a link? The basic fact remains I don't know how to make links heh
[01:24] <paulproteus> Concord_Dawn: Do the /umode thing.
[01:24] <Concord_Dawn> did.
[01:24] <nightswim> ln -s /etc/init.d/apache SXXapache
[01:24] <omaru> hi, good afternoon does anyone knows how to program the serial port with gambas?
[01:24] <GoClick> What is SXX?
[01:24] <paulproteus> GoClick: ln -s {real_file} {place_you_want_a_link}
[01:24] <Concord_Dawn> paulproteus, does the /umode thing prevent nonregged users from /msg'ing you?
[01:24] <nightswim> GoClick: the S means startup, the XX decides in which order the S* files get executed
[01:24] <GoClick> nightswim,  Would you also happen to know how to change the hostname of my system? I named it babyninja when I installed but I want to call it ninjajr now
[01:24] <paulproteus> GoClick: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html says it's the order in which things get executed.
[01:24] <paulproteus> Concord_Dawn: Yes.
[01:24] <Concord_Dawn> thought so.
[01:24] <nightswim> /etc/hostname
[01:25] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone help me with sendmail?
[01:25] <GoClick> nightswim,  I tried that on Friday and it pootched my system
[01:25] <h0sl3r> What java package do I need to run JAR files?
[01:25] <[2] BoxingFiend> sudo echo "ninjajr" > /etc/hostname
[01:25] <GoClick> nightswim, I changed it in there and then the system complained about not being able to look it up and sudo didn't work right and in general the machine hooped
[01:25] <nightswim> did you reboot?
[01:25] <GoClick> Yes
[01:25] <GoClick> This was after the reboot
[01:26] <nightswim> with sysctl you can change it for the running session
[01:26] <nightswim> odd
[01:26] <GoClick> Would Ubuntu or GNOME need it changed elsewhere?
[01:26] <nightswim> not that I am aware of
[01:26] <GoClick> hrm
[01:26] <nightswim> but I aint an expert gnomewise
[01:26] <h0sl3r> GoClick: you need to add it to /etc/hosts for gnome i think.
[01:26] <drrakn> seems like a bug if it did need to be -- otherwise you couldn't share a home directory across several systems
[01:26] <Buuyo^> Hi. Can I get some help with some simple traffic shaping using ubuntu?
[01:27] <Buuyo^> Some of the results of using tc are confusing me. Not behaving like I thought they would.
[01:27] <GoClick> h0sl3r, my /etc/hosts file is empty aside from some IPv6 data?
[01:28] <Buuyo^> I ran this: tc qdisc add dev eth1 root tbf rate 200kbit latency 50ms burst 1500
[01:28] <paulproteus> Concord_Dawn: /me shudders at the mention of sendmail
[01:28] <Buuyo^> but when I try to dcc send for example
[01:28] <Buuyo^> It'll start at 18kBps
[01:28] <paulproteus> Concord_Dawn: If you use exim or postfix, I think you'll stay sane longer.
[01:28] <Buuyo^> and make its way down to a fraction of a kb per second
[01:28] <Concord_Dawn> paulproteus, sendmail is more compatible with the programs I use :)
[01:28] <Concord_Dawn> such as Anope.
[01:28] <h0sl3r> GoClick: what is the host name you are trying to be?
[01:28] <Concord_Dawn> afaik Anope can't use any other SMTP apps.
[01:28] <zxc3> Anyone know how I can network between a Mac (iBook) and an Ubuntu LiveCD? I have ethernet cable.
[01:29] <Buuyo^> The network is unused otherwise, and the problem goes away when I undo what I did with tc qdisc del dev eth1 tbf
[01:29] <GoClick> h0sl3r,  ninjajr
[01:29] <paulproteus> Concord_Dawn: Anope URL?
[01:29] <h0sl3r> GoClick: any domain name?
[01:29] <GoClick> Naw
[01:29] <Concord_Dawn> paulproteus, www.anope.org?
[01:29] <h0sl3r> GoClick: see at the top where it says 127.0.0.1?
[01:29] <GoClick>  This machine doesn't really venture out onto the Internet but it does get refered to a lot on the LAN so it's called babyninja right now but the poweres that be didn't like that
[01:30] <GoClick> Ok I see h0sl3r  thanks!
[01:30] <h0sl3r> GoClick: add ninjajr to the end of that line.
[01:31] <GoClick> Thank you :)
[01:31] <DonL> back. Forgot how long it takes for the live cd to boot
[01:31] <zxc3> Anyone know how to network with Ubuntu?
[01:31] <h0sl3r> Which java package do I need to install in order to run JAR files? I tried to look for the java runtimes with Synaptic, but I got many options and didnt know which one to install.
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> zxc3: system->admin->networking
[01:32] <drrakn> if you aren't using a hub -- you'll need a cross-over cable to link them directly
[01:32] <drrakn> and you'll need to assign static IPs
[01:32] <drrakn> unless one of them is acting as a DHCP server
[01:32] <Internat> actaully thats not true much anymore.. most network cards are capable of working out that the cable is a striaght thru cable and switching itself over accordingly
[01:33] <zxc3> hrdwrbob, how do I configure the ethernet cable
[01:33] <drrakn> Internat: really? that's nifty
[01:33] <Internat> very
[01:33] <drrakn> example?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> zxc3: erm
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> zxc3: the cable just plugs in
[01:33] <GoClick> with ln it take the from and to but which comes first, the location I'd like to link TO or the location I'd like to link FROM?
[01:33] <zxc3> I have plugged them in...:/
[01:33] <zxc3> it's with a mac
[01:33] <Internat> i used it to install ubuntu on my spare laptop... cause it had no cdrom or floppy..
[01:34] <XKpe> can anyone help me please?
[01:34] <GoClick> h0sl3r,  you need to download sun-j2re1.5.deb from somewhere, the repos don't have it. However I do. i'll give you a url
[01:34] <zxc3> hrdwrbob, would I need to restart my livecd?
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> !java
[01:34] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> zxc3: that would also work
[01:35] <h0sl3r> ok thanks
[01:35] <GoClick> HrdwrBoB,  that link isn't of much good because java has been removed from the extras
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> oh dang
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> that should be updated
[01:35] <GoClick> Yeah it's a bit of a kick in the pants
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> GoClick: you're better off updating the wiki and then pasting that here again :)
[01:35] <DonL> That's too bad, because that's where I had the most success with java
[01:35] <GoClick> HrdwrBoB, I don't have a high bandwidth server to put the deb file on :P
[01:36] <DonL> ...still running well
[01:37] <essense> i have an unresponding program (xmms) in the taskbar, how do i get rid of it? i've killed the task...
[01:38] <GoClick> To make a link with ln it take the from and to but which comes first, the location I'd like to link TO or the location I'd like to link FROM?
[01:38] <bytefoo> man ln
[01:39] <cafuego> GoClick: ln -s /real/file  /sym/link
[01:40] <GoClick> thank you cafuego
[01:40] <zxc3> anyone know what to put in the Gateway Address in Network Settings?
[01:40] <GoClick> zxc3,  do you have a router?
[01:40] <cafuego> zxc3: Your router IP
[01:41] <zxc3> GoClick, no I just have an ethernet cable thingy
[01:41] <cafuego> zxc3: Then you have dhcp, tell it to use dhcp.
[01:41] <GoClick> zxc3, and  that plugs into what?
[01:41] <zxc3> the other pc...direct...if that works
[01:41] <zxc3> (I've never networked in my life)
[01:41] <GoClick> Eeehhhhh
[01:41] <GoClick> You just want to link two computers?
[01:41] <zxc3> YES
[01:42] <zxc3> soz caps
[01:42] <GoClick> And do you want them to share Internet?
[01:42] <zxc3> if possible
[01:42] <cafuego> Ah, then you've got some reading to do, I'm afraid.
[01:42] <zxc3> not essential
[01:42] <zxc3> I'm trying to get files
[01:42] <zxc3> using a livecd since my pc is screwed
[01:42] <GoClick> zxc3, you need to buy a hub or a router with a hub built into it
[01:42] <zxc3> before I format
[01:42] <GoClick> a switch would also be good, or better, their like a hub
[01:42] <zxc3> ^ even just for file transfer?
[01:42] <DonL> zxc3, did you say you have a router to join the two computers?
[01:42] <zxc3> DonL, no I don't
[01:43] <cafuego> zxc3: it'll make things a bit easier if you have NO experience whatsoever, yes.
[01:43] <GoClick> No but the amount of time it takes to set up direct with a crossover cable (which you may not have) is going to be considerably longer than to go buy a hub at Circut City and return it when you're done
[01:43] <DonL> GoClick is right. That's the best way.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> a hub?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> a switch here costs <$40AU
[01:43] <DonL> Otherwise you have to put two ethernet cards in one computer, and one in the other
[01:43] <cafuego> zxc3: Easiest would be to remove the HD and plonk it in the other machine.
[01:43] <zxc3> so I should just go to my local store and ask for a "switch"
[01:44] <zxc3> cafuego, it's a laptop
[01:44] <cafuego> zxc3: ouch.
[01:44] <DonL> ...then one crossover cable to the first... it get's complicated
[01:44] <zxc3> It's a one off job, I just wanna get my files off :'(
[01:44] <GoClick> zxc3, Plus if you get a router with a switch built into it then you plug your internet into it and then both computers into it and they will be able to both use the Internet connection and send files over a variaty of methods, that or buy a CD-RW/DVD-RW because LG makes one for around $60 Canadian so they must be cheap all over
[01:44] <cafuego> zxc3: You need a crossover cable then.
[01:45] <cafuego> zxc3: either a switch/hub and two normal cables, or a single crossover cable.
[01:45] <DonL> zxc3, router is the best and they are not too expensive now
[01:45] <zxc3> cafuego, I think I have a crossover cable
[01:45] <GoClick> cafuego, I think he'll have an awfully hard time setting up a direct connection
[01:45] <cafuego> GoClick: Why would that be harder then a switch?
[01:45] <GoClick> zxc3, why don't you just buy a CD burnner and use CDs?
[01:46] <zxc3> GoClick, I have two drives on the pc but ones busted...and ones got the livecd in it
[01:46] <GoClick> zxc3, you mean you have no more open bays?
[01:46] <zxc3> that's why I'm resorting to this
[01:46] <cafuego> zxc3: what OS do the machines run. Both Linux?
[01:46] <NeoFax> What is the difference between Usplash, Splashy and Upower?
[01:46] <zxc3> No, Laptop is mac
[01:46] <cafuego> zxc3: That's fine.
[01:46] <zxc3> pc is ubuntu livecd
[01:46] <GoClick> zxc3, the laptop is the one that's pootched?
[01:46] <zxc3> GoClick, no the PC
[01:47] <GoClick> zxc3, so it has a CD drive in it right now?
[01:47] <zxc3> (if by pootched you mean busted)
[01:47] <NeoFax> It seems Upower is the succesor to Splashy.  However, Usplash is installed on Colony3 by default
[01:47] <GoClick> Yeah sorry that's what we say up here
[01:47] <cafuego> zxc3: On the mac, go to the network CP, and enable network sharing for the built-in ethenet connection.
[01:47] <cafuego> zxc3: When that's done, plug the crossover cable into both the pc and the mac.
[01:48] <NeoFax> Also, why doesn't Upower work with newer debs from apt?  It asks for libboost-thread > 1.31 and I have 1.33 installed.
[01:50] <zxc3> Cafuego, do I want to connect using PPoE
[01:50] <ThePyromaniac> if i were to want to install windows xp 64 right now, how would i do it? i tried before and only caused problems with grub
[01:50] <cafuego> zxc3: No, just ethernet
[01:51] <zxc3> cafuego, I can't see any specific thing saying turning it on...but I think it is...it just has stuff to configure in the TCP/IP menu
[01:52] <cafuego> zxc3: When you enable sharing, it should automatically configure it.
[01:53] <_adam> Can someone help me upgrade my KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.2?
[01:53] <_adam> I"m using a 64bit AMD
[01:53] <Kyral> !ati
[01:53] <ubotu> I guess ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[01:54] <NeoFax> !usplash
[01:54] <ubotu> hmm... usplash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashDiscuss
[01:54] <Maynoth> do you guys know
[01:54] <Maynoth> will i have to repartition my hard drive to dual boot with winxp
[01:54] <Maynoth> ?
[01:54] <Maynoth> if so what utility should I use
[01:55] <astronut> the system has nvidia installed, but xorg won't load it when i s/nv/nvidia
[01:55] <astronut> why?
[01:55] <cafuego> !info kde hoary
[01:55] <ubotu> kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[01:55] <cafuego> !info kdelibs4 hoary
[01:55] <ubotu> kdelibs4: (KDE core libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 8195 kB, Installed size: 24216 kB
[01:55] <cafuego> _adam: There is no version 3.4.2 in hoary.
[01:55] <_adam> What is the latest
[01:56] <zxc3> cafuego, filesharing is enabled and I've plugged the cable in (does it need to be round a special way?)
[01:56] <cafuego> _adam: 3.4.0
[01:56] <_adam> no, there is a .2
[01:56] <_adam> check KDE
[01:56] <cafuego> _adam: If there is a new one in Breezy, wait until Breezy is stable, then upgrade.
[01:56] <_adam> This version is unstable on a 64bit
[01:56] <cafuego> _adam: Then run Gnome.
[01:56] <_adam> How?
[01:56] <_adam> i'm running kubuntu
[01:57] <cafuego> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:57] <_adam> okay, it's going, what do I do when it's done?
[01:58] <cafuego> _adam: choose a 'Gnome' session from the login screen
[01:58] <DonL> ..after you log out
[01:58] <cafuego> it'll be 1 1/2 to 2 months before the next ububntu release, 3.4.2 is probably in that,
[01:58] <cafuego> !info kdelibs4 breezy
[01:59] <cafuego> !info kdelibs breezy
[01:59] <ubotu> kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[01:59] <cafuego> Indeed.
[01:59] <cafuego> (Upgrading to breezy now would mean more broken stuff)
[01:59] <dalamar> wow thats cool
[02:00] <dalamar> !info libc6 breezy
[02:00] <ubotu> libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-1ubuntu8 (breezy), Packaged size: 4772 kB, Installed size: 15436 kB
[02:00] <DonL> I like the edge, but not the bleeding one
[02:01] <NeoFax> I am running breezy now with 3.4.2 and the only problem I have had is with KDM not working.  Other than that it is very stable for a beta
[02:01] <zxc3> Cafuego, enabled sharing...do I need to put the cable round a certain way or anyway will do?
[02:01] <NeoFax> It is actually more stable than SuSE 10.0 beta3
[02:03] <charlesg3> my x.org is b0rked... I get "Caught signal 11." in Xorg.0.log when I try to start gdm after upgrading
[02:03] <benster> hello all
[02:03] <DonL> zxc3, I know you put this question to Cafuego, but I think there's only one way the cable will go
[02:04] <benster> is there an easy way to make ubuntu find all my partitions?
[02:04] <zxc3> DonL, Yeah I thought so to...I think i read it somewhere....thanks I'll try both ways
[02:05] <zxc3> it's marked at one end but I don't know what that implies
[02:05] <DonL> zxc3, Oh. You mean which end? It doesn't matter
[02:06] <bimberi> benster: if they're windows (or mac) partitions...
[02:06] <zxc3> DonL, oh..that's goood...I meant the cable plugs in a certain way (e.g. marked end in pc etc)
[02:06] <bimberi> !mountwindows
[02:06] <ubotu> [mountwindows]  Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:06] <sockpuppe1> what course of action can we take against the spambot?
[02:06] <bimberi> sockpuppe1: /umode +CE
[02:06] <GoClick> Thanks for your help guys, especially cafuego, NeoFax, paulproteus, and nightswim
[02:06] <sockpuppe1> that isn't what I meant
[02:06] <bimberi> sockpuppe1: k
[02:07] <sockpuppe1> can we do something to kill the bot
[02:07] <sockpuppe1> ?
[02:07] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Problem is, there's a lot of them coming from many IP addresses.
[02:07] <sockpuppe1> damn
[02:07] <benster> what about mounting my SuSE partition on hda5?
[02:07] <Madpilot> that bot stuff is *still* going on? that's two or three days of attacks, isn't it?
[02:07] <DonL> sockpuppe1, p's me off as well. Don't know what to do about it though
[02:07] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Yeah, it sucks.
[02:08] <sockpuppe1> I seriously don't get why people are such a**hats
[02:08] <paulproteus> benster: Just mount /dev/hda5 /wherever/you/want/it
[02:08] <sockpuppe1> paulproteus I have a question
[02:08] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Okay, ask it. :)
[02:08] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:09] <paulproteus> charlesg3: Signal 11?  That means it crashed.
[02:09] <paulproteus> charlesg3: Are you sure your RAM isn't faulty?
[02:09] <sockpuppe1> my firewall reports repested intrusion attempts on port 1026 and 1027
[02:09] <zxc3> I think I need to configure the ethernet information manually as it's not being picked up.Any idea how?
[02:09] <paulproteus> charlesg3: Otherwise, is it possible you did a partial upgrade and didn't upgrade some things you should have?
[02:09] <sockpuppe1> yet to my knowledge nothing is runnning there
[02:09] <paulproteus> zxc3: Are you in GNOME, or do you want to do it from the command line?
[02:09] <DonL> gotta go for now. back later...
[02:10] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Right.  You're probably being port-scanned, like everyone is, day in, day out.
[02:10] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: By attackers who are just aimlessly stumbling across the Internet.
[02:10] <zxc3> paulproteus, I'm in gnome
[02:10] <paulproteus> zxc3: Then the System Administration -> Networking should do it.
[02:10] <sockpuppe1> man this is all day several hundred times
[02:10] <sockpuppe1> a second
[02:10] <paulproteus> Just pick the interface, and set the IP.  I think that should be easy enough.
[02:10] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Really, that much?
[02:10] <sockpuppe1> it doesn't stop
[02:10] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Huh.
[02:11] <sockpuppe1> and its all udp
[02:11] <benster> using KDE - but I'm in terminal
[02:11] <benster> can't seem to get command right
[02:11] <paulproteus> benster: Try:
[02:11] <paulproteus> sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
[02:11] <benster> ok, I tried /suse
[02:11] <benster> said it didnt' exist.  :)
[02:11] <benster> thought i was nameing it suse
[02:12] <paulproteus> benster: Try:
[02:12] <paulproteus> $ sudo mkdir /suse
[02:12] <paulproteus> Then again.
[02:12] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: http://www.google.com/search?q=udp+1026+1027 returns this page: http://isc.sans.org/port_details.php?port=1026
[02:12] <paulproteus> sockpuppe1: Which in turn leads to http://www.lurhq.com/popup_spam.html
[02:13] <benster> I ran yoru original sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt and it took a few seconds, but it's not there.
[02:13] <funkyHat> how would someone make /dev/null a device again? it's not me, but someone has broken it somehow...
[02:13] <paulproteus> funkyHat: cd /dev
[02:13] <paulproteus> MAKEDEV null
[02:13] <paulproteus> I think that should do it.
[02:14] <zxc3> paulproteus, I think I've entered the right stuff. Any idea how to get ubuntu to show on my mac or vice versa?
[02:14] <funkyHat> thanks :)
[02:14] <robodex> hey... I'm having a really weird problem with my sound... Namely, everything sounds distorted/low quality
[02:14] <paulproteus> funkyHat: Thank me when you know it works. :)
[02:14] <paulproteus> robodex: Try decreasing the volume to half.  Does it persist?
[02:14] <sockpuppe1> paulproteus that explains alot
[02:14] <robodex> volume's down to 15
[02:14] <robodex> :p
[02:14] <paulproteus> zxc3: "Show on your Mac"?
[02:14] <benster> wow, this is wierd
[02:14] <paulproteus> robodex: What about the "PCM volume"?
[02:14] <weryk> robodex: which card?
[02:14] <robodex> lemme check
[02:15] <robodex> onboard VIA AC97. sounds fine in windows
[02:15] <benster> in mount
[02:15] <zxc3> paulproteus, I want to transfer files between my mac and ubuntu livecd
[02:15] <robodex> hmm. pcm is at 97. lemme see if that fixes it.
[02:15] <weryk> How many volume controls do you have that control pcm volume?
[02:15] <paulproteus> robodex: Give it a shot. :)
[02:15] <robodex> just one
[02:16] <robodex> ok sounds kinda better, I'll be back in a couple minutes when I know fore sure
[02:16] <robodex> *for
[02:17] <paulproteus> robodex: I keep both Master and PCM at 75 and I'm usually okay.
[02:19] <DonL> back again
[02:19] <robodex> hmm. that fixed it. awesome
[02:20] <robodex> I didn't realize that I'd get clipping when PCM was up to full (I never changed it before)
[02:20] <robodex> now to figure out why I'm getting random hiccups in Stepmania
[02:20] <apokryphos> PCM at max has always been dodgy here
[02:21] <robodex> thanks for the help
[02:21] <benster> the windows partitions show up under /mnt/windwos/ C, D, E, F, G, H but they are empty - any ideas?
[02:21] <robodex> gotta jet
[02:22] <codecaine> benster, maybe you need to mount them
[02:23] <JamminBear> well i messed up how to get my gcc? sudo what?
[02:23] <QMario> !Botsnack
[02:23] <ubotu> thanks qmario :)
[02:23] <codecaine> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:23] <codecaine> !Botsnack
[02:23] <JamminBear> any other majors I need?
[02:24] <vader1102> !botsnack
[02:24] <ubotu> thanks vader1102 :)
[02:26] <DonL> codecaine, Thanks. I wrote that down this time. How many times I coulda used that
[02:26] <vader1102> wow,....not used to seeing so few questions lol
[02:26] <vader1102> !botsnack
[02:26] <ubotu> thanks vader1102 :)
[02:27] <Viziri> How do I uninstall firestarter in ubuntu? It's not listed in add/remove programs
[02:27] <kyncani> what does this umode +CE do ?
[02:28] <codecaine> DonL, what build-essential?
[02:28] <kyncani> (must be an irc command)
[02:28] <bob2> Viziri: how did you install it?
[02:28] <bob2> kyncani: www.freenode.net -> using the network
[02:28] <Madpilot> Viziri: uninstall via Synaptic?
[02:28] <Viziri> I installed it via synaptic
[02:29] <DonL> codecaine, yes, that one
[02:29] <kyncani> bob2: looking, thnks
[02:29] <bob2> Viziri: then find it in synaptic and mark it for removal
[02:29] <Viziri> lets see :)
[02:29] <nadapdx> hello. during ubuntu hoary install, my install using the partitioner hangs at 41%.  i have two 160 GB SATA drives.  anyone know what is causing this?
[02:32] <DonL> time for dinner here. See you later.
[02:33] <Cius> hello
[02:33] <paulproteus> Hi, Cius.
[02:33] <Cius> I have a qualitative question about ubuntu, specifically the installer.
[02:33] <paulproteus> Cius: Intriguing.  Go on.
[02:34] <epikak> anyone use ubuntu on AMD64?
[02:34] <mattyJ> is there a easy way to get e17 on ubuntu? (im using breezy)
[02:34] <Madpilot> nadapdx: I'm running Ubuntu on a SATA drive right now, so the SATA likely isn't the problem. Did you burn the disc or is it an "official" one?
[02:34] <Cius> well, probly not so intriguing really.  I know that the installer can resize ntfs partitions, I followed the wiki guide to do this, but it said it might take a little while.  I'm wondering, about how long do you think it would take to resize 120GB to 60GB?
[02:35] <epikak> Cius, depends wher eyour data is on disk
[02:35] <nadapdx> Madpilot: i burned the iso
[02:35] <durt> isnt that a quantitative question?
[02:35] <Cius> I suppose its quantitative after all, but I'm going more for a "gut instinct" on the time here, figuring no one would have a table or anything.
[02:35] <Cius> oh, it just popped up
[02:36] <Cius> looks like it took about 15 miutes
[02:36] <epikak> Cius, how long was is
[02:36] <epikak> not bad
[02:36] <Cius> so now we know
[02:36] <Cius> qualitatively, it feels like 15 minutes
[02:36] <Cius> :-)
[02:36] <epikak> is there an AMD64 channel?
[02:37] <Cius> paulproteus and epikak, thanks for the help!
[02:37] <Concord_Dawn> Anyone here that can help me with postfix config for a second?
[02:37] <paulproteus> Cius: Okay. :)
[02:37] <bob2> epikak: here...
[02:37] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: best to just ask
[02:37] <epikak> bob2, you are always in here!
[02:38] <epikak> are there any caveats being noticed with the AMD64 version of Ubuntu?
[02:38] <Concord_Dawn> myhostname and mydomain, do those need my real hostname (from my ISP) or can I use my FQDN that I assigned to this IP?
[02:38] <epikak> im about to plop Hoary on here (cant wait until breezy)
[02:38] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: you want them to resolve...
[02:38] <durt> what the hell is a "caveat"?
[02:38] <Cius> okay, now I know this is a qualitative question about ubuntu
[02:39] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: and some people will get upset if your ip doesn't reverse to the hostname you plan to have
[02:39] <epikak> durt, firefox --> wp caveat
[02:39] <bob2> durt: www.dictionary.com
[02:39] <siimo> breezy is actually running pretty stable here on x86
[02:39] <bob2> epikak: do you care about binary-only things?
[02:39] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, well they can suck me :)
[02:39] <durt> whats that some french word?
[02:39] <siimo> only problem was vmware couldnt compile it with gcc 4
[02:39] <Cius> anyone use enlightenment 17 on a pIII 700 or thereabouts, and is it fast?
[02:39] <gorilla> epikak, I'm runing amd64 and haven't noticed any major problems... a few things won't compile but noting major in the user packages.
[02:39] <Concord_Dawn> but the hostname resolves to this IP
[02:40] <epikak> gorilla, how long using it now?
[02:40] <lJlolel> say I wanted to turn a 24kbps mp3 to a 14kbps mp3, what would i use?
[02:40] <bob2> durt: no, English.  www.dictionary.com.
[02:40] <bob2> a 14kbps mp3 is going to sound utterly shit
[02:40] <siimo> lJlolel, you could always use Audacity but it provides much more functionality than what you need
[02:40] <bob2> you'd use lame, but better still, you wouldn't do it at all
[02:41] <bob2> epikak: if you don't care about binary stuff, it's fine
[02:41] <Concord_Dawn> and btw, is there any way to get my IP so that it shows my FQDN instead of the host my ISP gives me?
[02:41] <epikak> bob2, i only build a few small packages from source on Hoary
[02:41] <gorilla> Concord_Dawn, not easily... ask your isp.
[02:41] <Madpilot> durt: "caveat: Intimation of caution; warning; protest."
[02:41] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: get your ISP to fix our reverse dns
[02:42] <bob2> er, "your"
[02:42] <epikak> im wondering if LimeWire will work on AMD64
[02:42] <bob2> epikak: so you don't care about windows dlls, windows programs, flash, acrobat, etc?  then you'll be fine.
[02:42] <XKpe> i just download and isntalled ubuntu and after booting when gdm started i could only see squars on the screen.. there was no error and i heard the sound of the login screen.. can anyone give me a help?
[02:42] <durt> how is caveat pronounced?
[02:42] <Concord_Dawn> CA VEET
[02:42] <lJlolel> siimo, yea, but the file i want to convert is like 234mb
[02:42] <gorilla> cav-e-at
[02:42] <concept10> cav ve ought
[02:42] <lJlolel> so audacity like stops
[02:43] <Cius> wow
[02:43] <epikak> wow, is he supposed to pick which one he wants it to sound like?!?
[02:43] <Cius> three different pronunciations
[02:43] <galal> o_o
[02:43] <concept10> mine is correct
[02:43] <durt> um ok
[02:43] <epikak> yes listen to concept
[02:43] <XKpe> can anyone help me on this please?
[02:43] <Madpilot> durt: isn't the English language wonderful? ;)
[02:43] <Cius> XKpe: maybe reinstall?
[02:44] <concept10> gorilla was talking in zoo language :)
[02:44] <durt> why not use a simpler word, ie "warning"...
[02:44] <Cius> seems to solve all other problems, lol
[02:44] <bob2> because caveat means something different to warning
[02:44] <epikak> bob2, there are no flash or acrobat builds for AMD64 ???
[02:44] <bob2> epikak: talk to adobe and macromedia
[02:44] <pingswept> XKpe: try ctrl-alt-backspace. It will kill the X server and drop you to a text login prompt.
[02:44] <Cius> don't you ever act in the interest of good diction bob2?
[02:44] <Madpilot> besides, Latin sounds much cooler than English
[02:44] <epikak> bob2, what do you use in that situation?
[02:44] <bob2> epikak: this is what I meant by "do you care about binary-only stuff?"
[02:45] <bob2> epikak: I don't care about either
[02:45] <bytefoo> how do i unload a kernel module
[02:45] <jwayne> I'm running a ubuntu base install with fluxbox. I have a Logitech Mx510. How do I configure XF86Config to use the Back and foreward buttons?
[02:45] <bob2> bytefoo: rmmod blah
[02:45] <epikak> bytefoo, rmmod
[02:45] <gorilla> Madpilot, but who wants to talk to dead Romans.
[02:45] <bytefoo> thanx
[02:45] <XKpe> pingswept: it will start gmd again, but i have prompt access with ctrl alt f1
[02:45] <Madpilot> gorilla: "caveat" is Latin - you've heard of "Caveat Emptor", right? ("Buyer beware")
[02:46] <gorilla> Madpilot, I know... just a joke, albeit a bad one :-)
[02:46] <kyncani> XKpe: you can reconfigure X with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xsrever-xorg
[02:46] <Madpilot> gorilla: "What have the Romans ever done for us, anyway?" ;)
[02:46] <durt> but the latin pronouncing is different: ca way ott
[02:46] <kyncani> XKpe: * xserver-xorg i meant
[02:46] <epikak> bob2, are you actually running AMD64 Ubuntu?
[02:47] <bob2> epikak: no
[02:47] <Carpe_Libertatem> I am considering switching to Ubuntu - but I need to know if there are apps out there for decrypting, shrinking, and burning DVDs?
[02:47] <bob2> but I don't have either of them on i386
[02:47] <XKpe> im gonna try tkx
[02:47] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, dvd::rip
[02:47] <XKpe> i have a nvidia 6600 maybe thats the problem..
[02:48] <Cius> speaking of dead languages, Rome comes on HBO tonite...
[02:48] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does that decrypt DVDs too?
[02:48] <drrakn> you can install the libcss deb from the videolan projects, IIRC
[02:48] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, libdvdcss does that
[02:48] <drrakn> although it's been a while since I set my desktop up ;)
[02:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> all right, thanks
[02:49] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, are you pirating them?
[02:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> Also - any easy way to get my iPod to work?
[02:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> Of course not.
[02:49] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, gtkpod
[02:50] <drrakn> epikak: he wouldn't need libdvdcss if he was pirating them...
[02:50] <bimberi> XKpe: you could try the nonfree nvidia driver...
[02:50] <bimberi> !nvidia
[02:50] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:50] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, are you backing up multi-layer DVD's to normal single layer DVD-r ?
[02:51] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, because dvd::rip doesnt actually support ripping out extras and that sutff i dont think
[02:51] <pussfeller> you can select the stuff you wanna rip in dvd rip i think
[02:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah, I need to convert a DL to a single.
[02:52] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, ehh dunno -- find out here http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
[02:53] <yaaar> word
[02:53] <yaaar> i'm kind of stumped here. can anybody take a look at this find command and tell me what i'm doing wrong? it looks ok to me (and I've successfully used find for this type of thing before) but it errors out saying "find: missing argument to exec"
[02:53] <yaaar>  find /var/www/www.applicationcentral.net/htdocs/ -type 'd' -exec ls -al {} | egrep "^d"\;
[02:53] <yaaar> i've also tried it without the '' around the d and with escapes in various places
[02:54] <JamminBear> what bout viewing java?
[02:54] <concept10> Anyone using NetworkManager successfully?
[02:54] <durt> what JamminBear?
[02:55] <JamminBear> uh when I try to goto a html site with java scripts it wont run
[02:55] <Madpilot> !tell JamminBear about restricted
[02:55] <bob2> yaaar: your shell is going to split that command on the |
[02:55] <bob2> yaaar: and find will go "OMG WHERE IS THE FINAL ;"
[02:55] <durt> !tell JamminBear about java
[02:56] <yaaar> bob2: it still says the same thing if i escape the pipe
[02:56] <NeoFax> Can someone point me in the right direction to make a updated Upower .deb?
[02:57] <bob2> yaaar: quote it or something
[02:57] <bob2> yaaar: or just use find in a for loop
[02:57] <bob2> NeoFax: install devscripts, man uupdate
[02:57] <bob2> but it probably won't be simple
[02:58] <pussfeller> JamminBear: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[02:58] <epikak> has anyone experience slowness using the mirrormax backports specified in Ubutuguide.org?
[02:58] <NeoFax> bob2: Does it have something similar to a .spec file like RPMS?
[02:58] <bob2> NeoFax: nope
[02:58] <bob2> epikak: ask on the backports forums
[02:58] <bob2> NeoFax: get the ubuntu source package and loop in debian/
[02:58] <epikak> bob2, chan?
[02:58] <bob2> epikak: www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:59] <bob2> since it appears none of the backports peopel are game to show their faces on irc ;)
[03:00] <pussfeller> how do i make DMA come on automatically on my dvd drive without having to hdparm it manually
[03:01] <cafuego> use an ide controller with a good driver
[03:03] <Madpilot> !dma
[03:03] <bob2> hah
[03:03] <Madpilot> !+dma
[03:03] <ubotu> methinks dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[03:03] <cafuego> that's not supposed to work :-P
[03:03] <bimberi> *thought
[03:04] <NeoFax> bob2: What if I do not have a source package to begin with?
[03:04] <cafuego> I prolly edited that in the installed one, then overwrote with the modified CVS package
[03:04] <cafuego> oh well
[03:04] <bimberi> you'll have to trust us not to use it with long factoids :)
[03:05] <bob2> NeoFax: www.debian.org/devel, new maintainer's guide, and settle in for the evening
[03:05] <Madpilot> cafuego: I've got a /msg window open with ubotu right now too, is that why I have to use !+ to force posting here?
[03:05] <epikak> what are backports-staging?
[03:05] <cafuego> Madpilot: No, the '+' is to force response sinto the channel if they're longer then the pre-set limit.
[03:06] <Madpilot> cafuego: ah, OK. is the DMA factoid over the limit, then?
[03:06] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yep.
[03:06] <bob2> epikak: even more poorly tested backport packages
[03:06] <epikak> lol
[03:06] <cafuego> Madpilot: Not by much though, from the look of it.
[03:06] <bytefoo> has anyone installed kismet?
[03:06] <epikak> bob2, i guess canonical is offically supporintg backports now
[03:06] <epikak> bytefoo, yea
[03:06] <cafuego> Madpilot: The !+ override was supposed to have been disabled, but i guess it just goes to show I'm a dickhead.
[03:07] <cafuego> Madpilot: Either that, or that perl is shit.
[03:07] <bytefoo> epikak, the ubuntu package? or the official version
[03:07] <bytefoo> s/new/official
[03:07] <epikak> bytefoo, you mean s/offical/new ?
[03:07] <Dr_Melectaus> Could anyone tell me, weather its possible to shrink my ubuntu partition so i can have 2 partitions?
[03:08] <bob2> epikak: not those ones
[03:08] <bytefoo> yeh ;/
[03:08] <bytefoo> i mean the one you have to make yourself :X
[03:08] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: depends on the filesystem
[03:08] <epikak> i did it on gentoo years ago
[03:08] <cafuego> "Hmmm emerge world, etc-update bummer. did a system wide upgrade and i broke the box"
[03:08] <bytefoo> meh :-/
[03:08] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2: it was the ubuntu defualt one i imagine
[03:08] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: then yes, using parted.
[03:08] <bytefoo> ./configure keeps complaining it can't find libncurses when an slocate libncurses says differetnly
[03:08] <bob2> bytefoo: install libncurses5-dev
[03:08] <ssdd65> is there a port scaner built into ubuntu?
[03:08] <paulw> hey guys, any sound pros here? i need help getting my sound to work
[03:08] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2: parted?
[03:09] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: apt-cache show parted
[03:09] <cafuego> bytefoo: ./configure for what?
[03:09] <bob2> ssdd65: no, of course not
[03:09] <epikak> ssdd65, use nmap
[03:09] <bob2> ssdd65: apt-cache show nmap
[03:09] <bytefoo> kismet
[03:09] <epikak> ssdd65, hahah yeah use telnet -- make sure you dont get a RST packet
[03:09] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, is there any links you could give me to guide me thru this. Or could you possibly PM me please?
[03:09] <bob2> bytefoo: stop doing anything
[03:09] <cafuego> bytefoo: kismet is a precompiled package; sudo apt-get install kismet
[03:09] <bytefoo> that precompiled package is 18 months old
[03:09] <bob2> bytefoo: run 'sudo apt-get build-dep kismet' and try again; or just use the version in ubuntu
[03:09] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, sorry
[03:09] <cafuego> bytefoo: and does it somehow not work?
[03:09] <ssdd65> thanks
[03:10] <bytefoo> it works, but its old
[03:10] <bytefoo> and is mising features
[03:10] <cafuego> bytefoo: Just checking
[03:10] <bob2> bytefoo: e.g.?
[03:10] <bytefoo> :P
[03:10] <Dr_Melectaus> Ok bob2 cheers
[03:10] <bytefoo> i had to build ipw2200 as well
[03:10] <bytefoo> it does
[03:11] <paulw> i have SiS 7012 onboard sound, drivers installed correclty, i've run soundcheck and verified alsamixer settings, still nothing
[03:11] <cafuego> too bad
[03:11] <bob2> it supported my ipe2100
[03:11] <bob2> paulw: "nothing"?
[03:11] <bytefoo> version 1.04 introduced monitor mode
[03:11] <bob2> did you unmute it?
[03:11] <bytefoo> but the package version that ships with ubuntu is 0.19 :X
[03:11] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, how do i find out what the filesystem is? i assume there is a terminal command
[03:11] <drrakn> bytefoo: is that the prism54 driver? I think I ended up building it myself for use on my laptop, a month or two ago
[03:11] <cafuego> bytefoo: You should be using the Ubuntu kismet deb-src scripts and rules to build the kismet from the newer tarball.
[03:11] <epikak> is apt-get upgrade preferred over dist-upgrade for normal updating usage?  one per week ?
[03:11] <Dr_Melectaus> And which filesystem does it work on?
[03:11] <bob2> bytefoo: did you file an enhancement-leel bug?
[03:11] <bob2> epikak: no
[03:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: read the package description to find that out
[03:12] <cafuego> bytefoo: That does not involve running ./configure by hand at any point.
[03:12] <epikak> bob2, always dist-upgrade?
[03:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: and "mount" will tell you what filesystem things are
[03:12] <bob2> epikak: read the manpage to find out what the difference is
[03:12] <bytefoo> drrakn; that is the intel wireless
[03:12] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[03:12] <bob2> epikak: using aptitude or synaptic is preferable, anyway
[03:12] <epikak> i know that dist uses "smart" depend resolution
[03:12] <drrakn> bytefoo: ahhh, nm
[03:12] <bytefoo> cafuego, i have no idea what the deb-src scripts are
[03:12] <bob2> it's not "smart"
[03:12] <bob2> it's just willing to try thing that might break
[03:12] <bytefoo> bob2, i did not file a bug yet
[03:12] <cafuego> bytefoo: Thehn you ought not be doing what you're trying to do.
[03:13] <bob2> using aptitude is far preferable
[03:13] <epikak> bob2, well should i use dist-upgrade or just upgrade?
[03:13] <bytefoo> why not
[03:13] <cafuego> !+compiling
[03:13] <bob2> paulw: please don't /msg me
[03:13] <ubotu> Compiling software when you have no idea what you're doing is _not_ a good idea. You will probably end up breaking your system and you can safely assume nobody here will want to help you after that. If there is a precompiled version, just use THAT instead. Really.
[03:13] <bob2> epikak: you "should" use aptitude
[03:13] <bytefoo> whatever :-/
[03:13] <paulw> ok, how do i reply in the channel then?
[03:13] <bob2> or synaptic
[03:13] <epikak> bob2, there is a "smart" option in synaptic / aptitude
[03:13] <cafuego> bytefoo: There is a simple and elegant way to build a .deb with the new version.
[03:14] <bob2> bytefoo: 2005.08.R1?
[03:14] <bytefoo> cafuego, link me
[03:14] <bytefoo> yes bob2
[03:14] <bob2> bytefoo: just build the breezy source package
[03:14] <cafuego> bytefoo: Read up deb source way of compiling stuff.
[03:14] <bob2> you could have bee downloading porn on someone's open AP by ow
[03:14] <cafuego> Mine's open!
[03:14] <bob2> epikak: it's a silly name; the apt-get man page explains what the difference is.
[03:14] <bytefoo> so...i add backports...and grab the kismet-src package?
[03:14] <bob2> so's mine
[03:14] <bob2> bytefoo: no, do not use backports
[03:15] <bob2> bytefoo: you get the breezy source package
[03:15] <cafuego> bytefoo: No, you add a s eb-src breezy line; then 'apt-get soutce kismet'
[03:15] <cafuego> source even
[03:15] <bytefoo> i see
[03:15] <cafuego> !info kismet breezy
[03:15] <ubotu> kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2005.06.R1-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 959 kB, Installed size: 2860 kB
[03:15] <bytefoo> and then apt-get install kismet?
[03:15] <epikak> bob2, from the spt-get man page dist-upgrade sounds "smarter"
[03:15] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: please don't /msg me
[03:15] <cafuego> bytefoo: No, then not apt-get install kismet
[03:16] <cafuego> bytefoo: Have a read about 'dpkg-buildpackage'
[03:16] <bob2> epikak: then the manpage is misleading; the only difference is that dist-upgrade is willing to install/remove packages to upgrade other packages
[03:16] <durt> so kismet doesnt work right with 802.11g?
[03:16] <Brunellus> what does it mean when dpkg returns an error exit status of 2?
[03:16] <bob2> Brunellus: that's not useful, you need to look at the output higher up
[03:16] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm.. sorry bob2
[03:16] <epikak> bob2, so thats bad huh?
[03:16] <bob2> epikak: no
[03:16] <epikak> bob2, so its good?
[03:16] <bob2> you seem to be reading too much into what I'm saying
[03:16] <Brunellus> bob2:  where should I be looking for that output?
[03:16] <oceandead> i give up
[03:17] <bob2> epikak: no, it's different
[03:17] <concept10> Anyone.. What about pulling network-manager from breezy, has anyone got this working?
[03:17] <epikak> bob2, so if i have a cron tab to update every week, should it be dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[03:17] <epikak> lol
[03:17] <bob2> epikak: as I said, aptitude or synaptic are better solutions for this, anyway; if you're using apt-get, you should be able to read apt's output to know which of upgrade or dist-upgfrade to use.
[03:17] <h0sl3r> Where do I set mount options for my ipod? It gets mounted automaticaly.
[03:17] <bob2> epikak: that is a terrible idea
[03:17] <bob2> concept10: don't bother
[03:18] <Brunellus> the error message isn't very informative:  error processing .....
[03:18] <reiki> I think I have to reboot... getting a message from GnomeGUI session manager... something about no protocols. But stuff still works
[03:18] <bob2> epikak: run aptitude manually each week.  that's the simplest solution..
[03:18] <Brunellus> (--install)
[03:18] <bob2> reiki: why would that make you reboot?
[03:18] <reiki> back in a minute... hopefully.....
[03:18] <concept10> bob2: Why? is it not working?  I subscribe to list and I see alot of active development but I am looking for a stable version
[03:18] <reiki> bob2: cause I don't know what it means but something appears to need resetting
[03:18] <bob2> Brunellus: no, a summary that includes none of the packagenames or actual error text will not let us help you
[03:18] <bob2> Brunellus: paste the full output to #flood
[03:19] <Brunellus> understood.
[03:19] <bob2> reiki: so...how would a reboot be simpler than logging out and in again?
[03:19] <bob2> concept10: because it will pull in ridiculous numbers of breezy packages
[03:19] <reiki> ok... logging out and in again instead :)
[03:19] <Brunellus> output is in #flood
[03:19] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: if you want help a) ask in the channel, b) paste stuff to #flood
[03:19] <h0sl3r> Where do I set mount options for my ipod? It gets mounted automaticaly.
[03:19] <Brunellus> says it's not a debian format package
[03:19] <bob2> 11:19:26      Brunellus |  dpkg-deb: `etree-scripts_3.1-2_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[03:19] <bob2> that's a pretty clear error...
[03:20] <concept10> bob2: im not talking about using apt, im talking about compiling the breezy source
[03:20] <epikak> bob2, looks like "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" should do it -- thx dude
[03:20] <Brunellus> duh.
[03:20] <bob2> h0sl3r: what do you want to set?
[03:20] <bob2> concept10: which won't work, since it needs a newer dbus, amongh other things
[03:20] <h0sl3r> bob2: the shortname option.
[03:20] <Brunellus> weird that it should return that error on the .deb
[03:20] <Brunellus> not a big deal.  all I needed was one script that was contained w/in the package
[03:20] <bob2> epikak: dude, no, running that from cron will fuck up
[03:20] <Christophe971> plop
[03:20] <bob2> Brunellus: it's not weird at all.  run 'file' on that .deb.
[03:20] <epikak> bob2, ill do it manually then
[03:20] <bob2> excellent
[03:20] <Christophe971> is there someone who knows how weight are the ubuntu depots ?
[03:20] <concept10> bob2: okay, now youre talking
[03:20] <epikak> bob2, how long using linux now?
[03:21] <Brunellus> HTML?
[03:21] <Brunellus> godzirra, I'm a moron.
[03:21] <bob2> epikak: years
[03:21] <bob2> Brunellus: sourceforge?
[03:21] <epikak> well me too, but new to debian
[03:21] <Brunellus> I had forgotten about that.
[03:21] <bob2> Christophe971: are you asking how big the repository is?
[03:21] <epikak> bob2, how old r u? got a pic?
[03:21] <concept10> heh
[03:21] <bob2> 23 and no
[03:22] <h0sl3r> Where do I set mount options for my ipod? It gets mounted automaticaly.
[03:22] <epikak> hehe me too, 23
[03:22] <bob2> finding pictures of me is disturbingly easy, tho
[03:22] <concept10> are we trying to get a date?
[03:22] <epikak> h0sl3r, whre is it moutned right now?
[03:22] <Christophe971> bob2: yes
[03:22] <Christophe971> bob2: in go ?
[03:22] <bob2> Christophe971: about 10GB per architecture
[03:22] <bob2> I don't know what "in go" means
[03:22] <h0sl3r> epikak: /dev/sda1 i think. but im not sure right now.
[03:22] <Christophe971> oh
[03:23] <Christophe971> GB i mean :)
[03:23] <epikak> h0sl3r, ok yes so it is mounted as a pseudo-scsi device
[03:23] <Christophe971> i'm french
[03:23] <Christophe971> whe use GigaOctets
[03:23] <Christophe971> ;)
[03:23] <Christophe971> bob2: thx
[03:23] <h0sl3r> ok...
[03:23] <epikak> h0sl3r, you can set your /etc/fstab file to point to whre you want it mounted
[03:23] <h0sl3r> ok
[03:24] <epikak> h0sl3r, you might want to do it by device ID if there are multiple pluggable USB devices you are using
[03:24] <concept10> bob2: youre correct on that statement about the pictures ..
[03:24] <bob2> haha
[03:25] <epikak> they get mapped onto sdaX in order of benig plugged in, so if you plug your USB floppy in first, then your iPod, it might get /dev/sda2 -- i dont knwo an easy way to get around that
[03:25] <bob2> you need to get g-v-m to do use that option
[03:25] <h0sl3r> epikak: Ok so how do I do it by device id?
[03:25] <epikak> bob2, you talking to us?  what is g-v-m ?
[03:26] <oceandead> gnome-volume-manager?
[03:26] <paulproteus> GNOME Volume Manager.
[03:26] <paulproteus> Right.
[03:26] <epikak> h0sl3r, i have never done it -- but if you man mount, you might get some info
[03:26] <Brunellus> forget it.  this is more trouble than it's worth for one script
[03:27] <h0sl3r> epikak: how can i tell what device my ipod is using? The shorname= option doesnt seem to be working when I set it in the ftab file.
[03:27] <h0sl3r> fstab*
[03:28] <reiki> ok that was weird.... couldn't restart a Gnome session because it couldn't read ~/.ICEauthority.  I had to use a failsafe terminal to chown that file. It was owned by root! :)
[03:29] <reiki> I never created a root user
[03:29] <Quest-Master> reiki: did you run k3b?
[03:29] <epikak> h0sl3r, try usbview
[03:29] <essense> i want to use Alsa instead of OSS.. how would i go about that?
[03:30] <reiki> Quest-Master: not recently. Probably haven't started that program in a few days. That a problem? My machine's been running for several days now
[03:30] <essense> main problem is only 1 application can use the sound card at the same time..
[03:30] <epikak> h0sl3r, there is a unique ID for every USB media i believe
[03:30] <h0sl3r> epikak: it was sda2 i got it
[03:31] <Quest-Master> reiki: If you run k3b, a screwed up ICEAuthority is a known problem following it. When you run k3b, don't use sudo, use gksudo
[03:31] <epikak> h0sl3r, you can type mount command just to see how it is mounted now
[03:31] <epikak> Quest-Master, or gnome-sude
[03:31] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[03:31] <epikak> *gnome-sudo
[03:31] <reiki> Quest-Master: ok... I wonder if installing TurboPrint did it. Maybe I should gksudo certain parts of that one as well
[03:31] <Quest-Master> Yeah, maybe that one as well
[03:32] <reiki> gksudo prevents those from scrweing with that file?
[03:32] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[03:32] <reiki> ok... thanks
[03:32] <Quest-Master> I learned the hard way
[03:32] <reiki> hahah
[03:32] <Quest-Master> Back when they didn't know about the problem
[03:32] <reiki> I learn LOTS of stuff the hard way
[03:32] <reiki> :)
[03:32] <Quest-Master> So I did a reinstall and found out a few weeks later that that was the problem
[03:32] <reiki> ack!
[03:32] <bytefoo> yay its building :|
[03:34] <bytefoo> i can't imagine compiling everything from source :-/
[03:34] <bytefoo> that would take forever ib et :|
[03:35] <fanopnaic> bytefoo: exactly.
[03:35] <fanopnaic> Ask a Gentoo user :)
[03:35] <bytefoo> yeah i tried it once
[03:35] <bytefoo> i turned off the box after 2days :-/
[03:35] <fanopnaic> hehehe
[03:35] <bytefoo> binaries for me :D
[03:36] <fanopnaic> I even withstood it 9 months
[03:36] <fanopnaic> Then I figured, enough is enough :)
[03:36] <mwright1> Hi, I've got a copy of Breezy to test the LTSP stuff
[03:36] <bytefoo> heh
[03:36] <mwright1> I can't get interent on the machine, so where is the ftp to download breezy debs?
[03:37] <bytefoo> lots of gentoo users are moving to archlinux i think
[03:37] <mwright1> we need to satisfy dependencies
[03:37] <Evil_Taco> Yeah, I kinda accidentally removed my gaim smiley package, uh how can I get it back?
[03:37] <fanopnaic> mwright1: there are lots of them, choose one near you
[03:37] <mwright1> ok well whats teh format
[03:37] <mwright1> i've found teh repo
[03:37] <vader1102> what do I need to install so I can remote into my server 2003 machine?
[03:38] <mwright1> But I can't find the actually directory listing of .debs
[03:38] <fanopnaic> ah ok, hang on
[03:38] <gantchev> hi
[03:38] <funkyHat> vader1102, install a VNC server of some description on the server
[03:38] <vader1102> ok,
[03:38] <Evil_Taco> Whats the smiley package for Gaim???
[03:38] <mwright1> vader1102 and Funkyhat: install FreeNX 0.4.4 ask in #nx
[03:38] <MattBaer> Hey, having a problem with a new install of ubuntu 5.04, anyone care to help?
[03:39] <Evil_Taco> I removed it on accident.
[03:39] <mwright1> it is much faster than vnc
[03:39] <Evil_Taco> MattBaer, what is your problem?
[03:39] <gantchev> does someone knows how to desactivate the graphical login ?
[03:39] <bytefoo> excellent!
[03:39] <jeff303> hello, does anyone know how to post to a usenet server with evolution?
[03:39] <oceandead> gantchev, system > administration > login screen setup
[03:39] <funkyHat> mwright1, server 2003 doesn't have an X server
[03:40] <jeff303> I managed to subscribe to the groups but I can't figure out how to post
[03:40] <mwright1> install freenx client
[03:40] <MattBaer> Evil_Taco, the installation goes fine, but it does give a few font errors when its setting up the packages, but it still resumes. When I get to the graphical login I login and all I get is the brown screen with the cursor, nothing else.
[03:40] <mwright1> oh you want to connect to a server 2003
[03:40] <MattBaer> Then after that the keyboard is un-responsive to any form of commands
[03:40] <fanopnaic> mwright1: http://ubuntu.inode.at/ubuntu/pool/main/    for example... I guess the layout is the same everywhere?
[03:40] <funkyHat> mwright1, read vader1102's question ;)
[03:40] <mwright1> sheesh, vnc is your option then, but sick stuff to talk about on freenode
[03:40] <bytefoo> i think he wants to remote desktop in :o
[03:40] <Evil_Taco> Hmm is the installation cd scrathced?
[03:40] <MattBaer> my PC is an AMD64 3200 with a geforce 6200 PCI-E
[03:40] <MattBaer> nope
[03:40] <MattBaer> just downloaded it last night and burned it today
[03:40] <mwright1> fanopnaic i'll check
[03:40] <bytefoo> that's a fancy card :o
[03:40] <MattBaer> didnt check the md5sums tho
[03:40] <mwright1> is that for breezy though
[03:41] <MattBaer> lol
[03:41] <mwright1> or is that for hoary
[03:41] <MattBaer> tried recovery mode, still didnt work.
[03:41] <h0sl3r> What would you guys say is the best multimedia play for a person with a lot of music files?
[03:41] <bytefoo> xmms :|
[03:41] <Evil_Taco> hmm
[03:41] <MattBaer> yeah, I love xmms
[03:41] <mwright1> then under pool main there are like all these directoris a b c d e .....
[03:42] <h0sl3r> ok
[03:42] <epikak> h0sl3r, mpd/mpc ?
[03:42] <gantchev> oceandead, tnx
[03:42] <MattBaer> any ideas? :(
[03:42] <oceandead> no problem
[03:42] <h0sl3r> uhhhh
[03:42] <_Ron_> I vote for xmms also
[03:42] <bytefoo> thnx for the help cafuego and bob2
[03:42] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know of an app that allows XP to read Linux partitions?
[03:42] <fanopnaic> mwright1: I think the pool has all packages. Which version is used is determined by the respective dist-file? But that's my guess, so don't hold your breath for it
[03:42] <MattBaer> mepis was a pain in the butt so I canned at  installation.
[03:42] <MattBaer> that*
[03:42] <funkyHat> epikak, what does that mean?
[03:42] <Evil_Taco> I wouldn't know, maybe there was something corrupt in the file you downloaded?
[03:42] <h0sl3r> yeah
[03:42] <Ramah> I'm having trouble mounting a fat32 hd in ubuntu I can't find a listing for it...
[03:42] <Evil_Taco> Maybe your cd player that was reading the disc is dirty?
[03:42] <MattBaer> not sure, but I hate to re-download it :(
[03:42] <Evil_Taco> Try cleaning it?
[03:42] <MattBaer> hmm
[03:43] <epikak> Carpe_Libertatem, there are a few -- google ext3 and reiserfs for windows
[03:43] <MattBaer> nope.. disc is fine. :(
[03:43] <Evil_Taco> I mean the disc player, perhaps the lens is dirty?
[03:43] <epikak> funkyHat, mpd and mpc are daemon and client music players respectively
[03:43] <epikak> funkyHat, even has a nice web interface
[03:43] <robotgeek_> damn spam bots!!
[03:43] <funkyHat> oh right
[03:43] <funkyHat> :)
[03:44] <dradul> MattBaer, did you burn the disc at low speed? (4x max). That usually helps.
[03:44] <h0sl3r> epikak: mpd/mpc can be used over a network?
[03:44] <MattBaer> yeah
[03:44] <epikak> absolutel
[03:44] <Evil_Taco> I've only been attacked once by a spam bot, lol
[03:44] <_Ron_> Ramah: try '/sbin/parted /dev/(proper device name here) print
[03:44] <bytefoo> who burns discs at 4x :-/
[03:44] <MattBaer> Its a DVD so 4x is teh highest I can burn it.
[03:44] <MattBaer> on that burner anyway.
[03:44] <epikak> h0sl3r, Music Player Daemon
[03:44] <h0sl3r> epikak: is there mpd software for windows?
[03:44] <h0sl3r> is really waht i mean
[03:44] <MattBaer> 8 for the one in the (hopefully) ubuntu box
[03:44] <robotgeek_> they were spamming me left and right, and my id was stuck here...phew!
[03:44] <bytefoo> theres an ubuntu dvd? o_O
[03:44] <MattBaer> yeah
[03:44] <epikak> h0sl3r, well there is a web interface so you could control it from windows if you like
[03:45] <Ramah> question: If i wanted to install another window manager could I just use apt-get to install it?
[03:45] <epikak> h0sl3r, as long as you have HTTP access to the Linux machine running MPD
[03:45] <robotgeek_> Ramah: yeah
[03:45] <dradul> MattBaer, then try at 2x and go have a cup of hot chcolate :-). The complexity of the filesystem in Ubuntu disk images usually causes a coaster when burning at high-speed.
[03:45] <benkong2> ping
[03:45] <bytefoo> pong
[03:45] <_Ron_> Ramah: Yes you can. Such as KDE, Gnome, etc.
[03:45] <benkong2> ack
[03:45] <epikak> ping -f ...
[03:45] <epikak> SYN
[03:45] <Ramah> thank you
[03:45] <h0sl3r> epikak: my setup at home is a winxp server with dailup internet (netscape only supports windows) then that dail up is networked through the house.
[03:45] <bytefoo> rst
[03:46] <epikak> PSH+URG
[03:46] <MattBaer> ok dradul
[03:46] <glick> hello
[03:46] <Madpilot> hi glick
[03:46] <glick> scuse me, is there a real player plugin for firefox?
[03:46] <epikak> glick, yes
[03:46] <benkong2> where can I get installation help with breezy?
[03:46] <glick> epikak, whats it called?
[03:46] <fanopnaic> mwright1: I just checked Debian, their repo is structured in the same way. So I guess that's it.
[03:47] <epikak> h0sl3r, netscape runs on linux too man
[03:47] <NoHope> glick, epikak, I didn't find it for Linux...
[03:47] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about nvidia
[03:47] <_Ron_> glick: Yes there is. It is at version 10 I believe
[03:47] <MattBaer> I'll pop in later if it doesnt work. think I'm gonna start it burning and take a shower.. :D
[03:47] <glick> _Ron_, is it in the repos?
[03:47] <MattBaer> thanks for the help so far :)
[03:47] <jeff303> has anyone has successfuly posted to usenet using evolution?  I'm having trouble setting up the outgoing server
[03:47] <EasterSunshine> wee just installed ubuntu, its awesome!!
[03:47] <h0sl3r> epikak: really? I have their high speed stuff. Last time i checked they only had the high speed software for windows.
[03:47] <_Ron_> Glick: I downloaded it directly from the RealPlayer site and installed it by hand in FC4
[03:47] <bytefoo> sudo apt-get install realplayer
[03:47] <bytefoo> :|
[03:47] <glick> im on a ubuntu machine
[03:48] <epikak> h0sl3r, netscape is a web browser
[03:48] <fanopnaic> glick: check https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/ and http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
[03:48] <benkong2> ubot breezy repos
[03:48] <h0sl3r> epikak, netscape also has ISP services.
[03:48] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about repos
[03:48] <epikak> h0sl3r, oh thought you meant the web browser itself
[03:48] <h0sl3r> no
[03:48] <benkong2> EasterSunshine, thanks
[03:49] <epikak> h0sl3r, you can still make the music player work
[03:49] <EasterSunshine> benkong2, i was doing that for myself...but seems i have helped you in the process, np
[03:49] <EasterSunshine> ^_^
[03:49] <_Ron_> Have you also checked the Unofficail Ubuntu Guide? It has some very nice tips for installing all kinds of things that do not ship pre-installed.
[03:50] <h0sl3r> epikak, this laptop is the only computer with linux. Is there an mpc for windows?
[03:50] <Weems> I get a error when logging into gnome that the session lasted less than 10 seconds and was ended. When I click OK it goes back to the login screen. Any ideas how to fix this in failsafe gnome?
[03:50] <epikak> h0sl3r, i dont think so -- but i am telling you that you can use IE/Netscape/Firefox/whatever to change songs
[03:50] <vader1102> ha!! got it I installed VNC on my Ubuntu machine
[03:50] <_Ron_> Weems: Can you start KDE?
[03:51] <Madpilot> Weems: do you get an error about accessing .ICEauthority?
[03:51] <Weems> dont have it installed
[03:51] <funkyHat> vader1102, you didn't need to
[03:51] <Weems> maybe
[03:51] <glick> i installed real player with synaptic but i still cant watch embedded real plaer
[03:51] <funkyHat> vader1102, there is a VNC client already installed
[03:51] <Weems> I cant check the log
[03:51] <epikak> h0sl3r, your "client" for linux's mpd will be your web bowser
[03:51] <kevogod> vader1102: Remote Desktop is preinstalled.
[03:51] <Weems> where are the.xsession logs kept?
[03:51] <h0sl3r> oh ok
[03:51] <vader1102> I did it because I couldn;t find it lol
[03:51] <funkyHat> heh
[03:52] <kevogod> Terminal Server Client
[03:52] <funkyHat> applications > internet > terminal server client
[03:52] <h0sl3r> epikak: i get it. I was thinking about streaming media.
[03:52] <Madpilot> Weems: I had a problem like that at one point. I needed to "sudo chown $user:$group /.ICEauthority"
[03:52] <fanopnaic> glick: did you really read http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html  ?
[03:52] <vader1102> it showed after I did VNC
[03:52] <epikak> h0sl3r, no you just get buttons that say "next track" etc...
[03:52] <JamminBear> error no targets configured. at least one driver needed. What do I do?
[03:52] <JamminBear> for a game
[03:52] <funkyHat> did you install VNC server on the 2k3 box?
[03:52] <vader1102> nope
[03:52] <glick> fanopnaic, nope reading it now
[03:52] <epikak> funkyHat, tightvnc-setup.exe
[03:53] <kevogod> RealVNC is better.
[03:53] <epikak> lol
[03:53] <funkyHat> it's not me that wants it!
[03:53] <epikak> kevogod, nat eve close
[03:53] <funkyHat> ultraVNC is better than both :P
[03:53] <_Ron_> bye guys...
[03:53] <vader1102> forget what I installed on the ubuntu machine but I am now on my server machine @ work lol
[03:53] <epikak> tightvnc is much better supported
[03:53] <epikak> and faster
[03:53] <vader1102> from home to the server
[03:53] <JamminBear> ###############################
[03:53] <JamminBear> # ERROR: No targets have been #
[03:53] <JamminBear> #  configured! At least one   #
[03:53] <JamminBear> #  driver must be configured  #
[03:53] <JamminBear> #  for The Penguin Machine to #
[03:53] <JamminBear> #       function. Sorry.      #
[03:53] <JamminBear> ###############################
[03:53] <kevogod> I am just saying that because RealVNC is not open source.
[03:54] <JamminBear> what to do?
[03:54] <kevogod> So it must be better!
[03:54] <iLLf8d> evening all
[03:54] <cafuego> 1) Stop pasting
[03:54] <funkyHat> JamminBear, for a start, DON'T PASTE :P
[03:54] <Madpilot> !tell JamminBear about pastebin
[03:54] <Weems> madpilot: sudo chown $user:$group /.ICEauthority
[03:54] <Weems> cannot access `/.ICEauthority': No such file or directory
[03:54] <iLLf8d> can someone tell me if ubuntu's metacity has a package for the mouse wheel switching patch?
[03:54] <JamminBear> for a start i asked quietly
[03:54] <bimberi> Weems: you need a ~ before the /
[03:55] <pussfeller> my prob with vnc is the stupid Xp always kicks the user off after a few minutes and I cant get in no more
[03:55] <epikak> kevogod, yes closed source programs far outsell open source ones :-)
[03:55] <Madpilot> Weems: where I wrote $user:$group put your group & user - weems:weems or whatever
[03:55] <kevogod> epitak: Exactly!
[03:55] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d, what does it switch with a mouse scroll?
[03:55] <lJlolel> thanks for whomever suggested LAME to me!  Man, why are text-based programs sooo much better than guis?
[03:55] <iLLf8d> desktops I think I found a thread or 2 on it researching something else
[03:55] <EasterSunshine> cause guis are frontends to text based stuff
[03:56] <epikak> lJlolel, because actual algorithms can be focused on rather than GUI crap/junk
[03:56] <vader1102> puddfeller, that's why I am going from my Ubuntu bot to my server 2003 machine lol
[03:56] <Weems> ok
[03:56] <vader1102> pussfeller, that's why I am going from my Ubuntu bot to my server 2003 machine lol
[03:56] <Weems> i did that
[03:56] <Weems> and no error
[03:56] <Weems> BRB
[03:56] <vader1102> sorry for the name error
[03:56] <paulproteus> kevogod: RealVNC is, too, open-source.
[03:56] <reiki> well... right now it's looking like the only way to get full functionality out of my Epson R200...*includng* the abiilty to print directly onto printable CDs.... is to *pay* for Turboprint for linux. The trial version works pretty darn nicely. Seems a shame cause everything else so far has basically been free! :)
[03:56] <JamminBear> this must be why its free
[03:57] <lJlolel> vader1102, if you start typing a name and tab, irc will  complete the name for you
[03:57] <vader1102> ha
[03:57] <vader1102> that;s how they do it lol
[03:57] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d, if you scroll on the workspace switcher (which is part of the panel), then switch workspaces
[03:57] <sobersabre> guys, I
[03:57] <sobersabre> 've downloaded kubuntu kde/koffice packages.
[03:57] <sobersabre> (hmm installed them too)
[03:58] <sobersabre> and the kdevdesigner opens up with SIGSEGV
[03:58] <sobersabre> is it so for everybody ?
[03:58] <JamminBear> my pecker is HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fuck ubuntu
[03:58] <JamminBear> grbebg
[03:58] <JamminBear> eg
[03:58] <JamminBear> bd
[03:58] <JamminBear> fgbeghb
[03:58] <JamminBear> dgh
[03:58] <vader1102> woohooooooo you know you are having a good day when you have half of the next days jobs done lol
[03:58] <JamminBear> d
[03:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: oh, that's a cool trick. thanks... (and hi, btw...)
[03:58] <glick> vim does 2&> redirect stderr?
[03:58] <JamminBear> ghdgfh
[03:58] <glick> doesnt 2&> redirect stderr?
[03:58] <bob2> '2> blah' does
[03:58] <lJlolel> can ops ban?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, salut mon frere
[03:59] <bob2> indeed
[03:59] <vader1102> lJlolel, yup
[03:59] <bob2> that's what a channel op is
[03:59] <vader1102> bob2, quick response
[03:59] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: hrm i'll have to throw ubuntu on a spare box and check it out, last time I used metacity wheel switching wasn't working as I'd hoped or at all, perhaps thats changed
[04:00] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d, the workspace thing is not metacity.
[04:00] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d, likely it was X not configuring your mouse with scrolling
[04:00] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: no it was metacity
[04:01] <Weems> Xsession Error: Failed to execute message bus daemon: No such file or directory
[04:01] <Weems> EOF in dbus-launch reading address from bus daemon
[04:01] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: mouse wheel switching works fine and has for some time in other wms but like I said maybe newer code has a feature that it may not have in the past
[04:01] <cafuego> I bet it's still weekend where JamminBear lives.
[04:01] <vader1102> <---don't know what matacity is
[04:01] <funkyHat> for only 1 reason though - they need an extra setting relating to window focusing
[04:01] <Burgundavia> vader1102, the gnome window manager.
[04:01] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: you mentioned it'll wheel on the switcher applet does it work on the bg or unfocused environ too?
[04:01] <vader1102> ok lol
[04:02] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: i'm not sure of its current capabilities
[04:02] <funkyHat> vader1102, metacity deals with the borders of windows, which window has focus, and global keyboard shortcuts
[04:02] <vader1102> Burgundavia, lol I am learning
[04:02] <Burgundavia> vader1102, you don't really see it because you shouldn't (it is described by the developers as the non-window-manager window manager)
[04:02] <moshe> hello
[04:02] <vader1102> Burgundavia, okidoki
[04:03] <glick> yeah i followd the directions to get the real player plugin working in firefox but its not working :/
[04:03] <moshe> when the time comes to upgrade to breezy, will it be necessary to remove backports packages before upgrading?
[04:03] <funkyHat> Burgundavia, that went right over my head... you don't really see it? :S
[04:03] <lJlolel> rob^, are you there?
[04:04] <vader1102> funkyHat, a lot goes over my head here lol
[04:04] <paulproteus> moshe: Probably not.
[04:04] <paulproteus> moshe: You'll be advised to, but it will probably not be important.
[04:04] <cafuego> moshe: Depends on how broken the backports repository you used is.
[04:04] <vader1102> but that is why I sit here, to learn
[04:05] <moshe> hmm
[04:05] <moshe> I guess I'll have to burn a copy of breezy just in case
[04:05] <durt> no french allowed
[04:05] <moshe> my chief grudge with Linux over the years is the necessity to format my hd every six months.
[04:06] <moshe> it would be refreshing not having to do that
[04:06] <titaniululz> i just logged into my system for the first time in a while with freenx (i have no monitor so i can only control it remotely) and some things are 'broken', ie the system monitor panel applet in gnome. it isn't updating and i can't right click it to set its properties or remove it.
[04:06] <lJlolel> moshe, why do you have to reformat the hd?
[04:06] <iLLf8d> moshe: huh?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> moshe, umm, ok then
[04:06] <paulproteus> moshe: Huh, why format?  Just change the sources.list and dist-upgrade?
[04:06] <iLLf8d> moshe: maybe you meant to say windows and not linux
[04:06] <Burgundavia> moshe, there is a supported upgrade path with Ubuntu
[04:06] <moshe> paulproteus, I've never used a debian based distro before
[04:06] <glick> hehe gunther and the sunshine girls rocks
[04:06] <paulproteus> moshe: Oh, used to Fedora?
[04:06] <lJlolel> moshe, linux is runon a lot of production servers that are rarely even rebooted, much less reformated
[04:07] <concept10> or put your /home directory in another partition
[04:07] <moshe> I was a longtime mandrake user
[04:07] <paulproteus> moshe: I used to use Mandrake, too.
[04:07] <moshe> I switched to Slackware last fall, and to Ubuntu about a month and a half ago.
[04:07] <paulproteus> moshe: I haven't used it in years.  How do you find Mandrake compares to Ubuntu?
[04:07] <sobersabre> moshe, it is a refreshing change... isn't it ?
[04:07] <moshe> yep
[04:07] <iLLf8d> moshe: I've never had to reformat my drive unless I was doing a fresh install and/or wanted to zerofill or something
[04:08] <cfk> how do I set glx on an ATI card?
[04:08] <paulproteus> moshe: What's better about Ubuntu when compared to Mandrake?
[04:08] <paulproteus> !ati
[04:08] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:08] <paulproteus> cfk: See ubotu's last comment.
[04:08] <moshe> paulproteus, well, I'm finding that I like ubuntu's customizations better
[04:08] <cfk>  thanks
[04:08] <paulproteus> Sure thing, cfk.
[04:08] <titaniululz> how can i force kill a session? when i type 'who' i see the session i logged into 2 days ago which didnt terminate or something, and freenx doesn't see it so i can't terminate it through that.
[04:08] <moshe> and the fact that apt and synaptic are written in a compiled language, as opposed to urpmi being in perl, is a huge speed difference
[04:08] <cfk> next Q: how do I setup dial on demand?  (dial on boot is a bit aggressive)
[04:09] <flugh> bugger ubuntu's customizations. it's built on debian .deb package system. and apt-get p3wns rpm or any other packager :)
[04:09] <paulproteus> titaniululz: You might be able to use a Process Manager program to list the running processes, and kill the ones you don't recognize.
[04:09] <flugh> been there, done them all. and i always come back to apt
[04:09] <cfk> or now that I have the phone/user/pw setup,  is there a "connect" button that doesn't need suder?
[04:09] <paulproteus> flugh: I use apt on my school computing club's FC3 server, fwiw.
[04:10] <moshe> while I've read many times that you can use urpmi to upgrade from one version of mandrake to the next, I found that in practice, I was never able to do so.
[04:10] <iLLf8d> titaniululz: install slay I think that does that iirc
[04:10] <flugh> paulproteus, ok, sorry. fedora's redeeming value is it's contained on 4 cds or 1 dvd, and can be converted to apt :)
[04:10] <flugh> paulproteus, (i use FC3 at work for that reason, due to no internet access)
[04:10] <paulproteus> flugh: /me nods
[04:11] <fanopnaic> flugh: only thing I miss is kind of a depclean, like emerge has
[04:11] <vader1102> well, it is getting close to time for bed...4 am comes too early
[04:11] <sobersabre> moshe, I've upgraded woody to sarge, then to sid, then back to sarge.. then to ubuntu :)
[04:11] <concept10> paulproteus: apt4rpm doesnt work as well as debians apt, I used to use it myself in FC3
[04:11] <cafuego> vader1102: what?
[04:11] <fanopnaic> or rather, portage.
[04:11] <titaniululz> iLLf8d, well both users are logged in as 'abcdef', just one is me now, one is the session from aug 25... will it be able to kill the ones from days ago and not my current session?
[04:11] <moshe> you moved from sid to ubuntu without issues?
[04:11] <paulproteus> concept10: And hunting down repositories is a pain.
[04:11] <moshe> we're talking about moving using apt?
[04:11] <cafuego> moshe: I did, about 8 months ago.
[04:11] <concept10> paulproteus: I agree
[04:11] <moshe> wow
[04:11] <moshe> that's a major advantage
[04:11] <iLLf8d> titaniululz: doesn't look like it has almost no options
[04:11] <cafuego> moshe: It required SOME manual intervention.
[04:11] <sobersabre> moshe, I moved from sid to sarge. apt-update && apt-dist-upgrade.
[04:12] <concept10> paulproteus: thats why I switched to debian and ubuntu
[04:12] <moshe> I'm looking forward to doing it.
[04:12] <iLLf8d> NAME
[04:12] <sobersabre> I also moved back.
[04:12] <iLLf8d>        slay - kill all processes belonging to a user
[04:12] <moshe> breezy is only a couple months away, right?
[04:12] <paulproteus> moshe: Six-month release cycle.
[04:12] <paulproteus> Last release was 5.04.
[04:12] <reiki> moshe: October
[04:12] <cafuego> moshe: Keep in mind that just becuase it worked 8 months ago doesn't mean it will work now.
[04:12] <moshe> so, like I said, two months away
[04:12] <lJlolel> whoa, apt is powerful
[04:12] <titaniululz> what i need to do is kill abcdef on "pts/0". is there no way to do that besides rebooting the system?
[04:12] <moshe> cafuego, previous successful does not predict the future, I know.
[04:13] <paulproteus> lJlolel: It even has Super Cow Powers.
[04:13] <paulproteus> titaniululz: Just right-click kill in some GNOME task manager program.
[04:13] <iLLf8d> titaniululz: uhm maybe use the -f switch of ps and kill those by their pid (the parents)
[04:13] <titaniululz> paulproteus, like system monitor?
[04:13] <titaniululz> iLLf8d, k
[04:13] <paulproteus> titaniululz: Sure, like that one.
[04:14] <paulproteus> But I have to stick to "the party line" in here, which is (or should be, in my opinion) recommending graphical ways to do things *first*.
[04:14] <lJlolel> paulproteus, hahahah oooooh
[04:14] <lJlolel> paulproteus, thats a cute system
[04:14] <paulproteus> And the graphical programs this guy'll have is GNOME, and that's what Ubuntu ships, so I should recommend those.
[04:14] <titaniululz> okay ps -f lists 2 processes running under pts/0, so do i type "kill _pid_"?
[04:14] <paulproteus> titaniululz: Sure.
[04:15] <iLLf8d> titaniululz: maybe ps -agf
[04:15] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Is that "Seize the Freedom"?
[04:15] <Carpe_Libertatem> Hey guys, I just installed Ubuntu and ran into a little problem. Grub gave me Error 18 when trying to boot-up.
[04:15] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Ouch, that's sad.
[04:15] <paulproteus> Talk to me about your motherboard's age, and about your hard drive.
[04:15] <titaniululz> system monitor freezes when i open it. :/
[04:15] <paulproteus> titaniululz: That's dumb.
[04:15] <titaniululz> i think freenx messed up terminating a session bad or something
[04:16] <paulw> hey guys
[04:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> It's not too old, I have an Athlon XP 1400, have installed other Linux distros before. I have 2 HDs, and a few partitions.
[04:16] <paulw> still working on this sound issue, anybody got time and smarts to take a stab at it?
[04:16] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: In your motherboard BIOS settings, is the hard drive's "Logical Block Addressing" mode set to "LBA", "LARGE" (sometimes seen as "LRG"), or "AUTO"?
[04:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> I put Ubuntu on a partition on my slave HDD.
[04:17] <paulproteus> paulw: Remind us.
[04:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> Hmm.
[04:17] <NeoFax> Anyone know how to get pkg-config to recognize some of my files?
[04:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> I guess I'll have to check.
[04:17] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Preferably, set it to AUTO.
[04:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> What if it's already on auto?
[04:17] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Then, that's not a probable cause of the problem.
[04:18] <paulproteus> :)
[04:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok, I'll be back momentarily.
[04:18] <lJlolel> the faq guide should be up now, no? (deadline before breezy preview freeze)
[04:18] <ksmurf> I"m wondering if I can cahnge or upgarde my libc6 to higher than 2.3.2-dsl20 or if that will break hoary?
[04:18] <ksmurf> anyone know?
[04:19] <paulproteus> ksmurf: Where do you plan to get a newer libc from?
[04:19] <cafuego> ksmurf: which package is demanding a new libc6?
[04:19] <paulw> i've had a couple guys help me out with sound problem already, but no luck so far
[04:19] <ksmurf> not sure paul... breezy maybe
[04:19] <paulproteus> paulw: What is the problem?!
[04:19] <EasterSunshine> hey what pacakge should i install to allow  Admin > Shared Folders to share stuff over smb?
[04:19] <paulw> device seems to show up find, configured alsamixer correctly, kmix looks right
[04:19] <paulw> just no sound
[04:19] <paulw> find = fine
[04:20] <paulproteus> paulw: And you're sure you've plugged your speakers into the right plug on the back?
[04:20] <EasterSunshine> samba?
[04:20] <paulw> yeah, green, I also have frontside audio that I've got plugged into the Mboard
[04:20] <paulproteus> And what about that one - does that work?
[04:20] <_adam> What's the difference in gdm and kdm in GNOME?
[04:21] <paulproteus> _adam: GDM and KDM aren't GNOME programs.
[04:21] <paulproteus> They're "display managers".  Which one you pick will choose how your login screen works.
[04:21] <ksmurf> no they are DM
[04:21] <_adam> Which is best?
[04:21] <paulw> hey paul, how do you reply to a specific person without private messing?
[04:21] <paulw> in the channel
[04:21] <cookiemnstr> is there a internet calling manager for ubuntu?
[04:21] <cafuego> !upgrade libc6 is <reply> "upgrading" libc6 for no apparent reason, like "package $foo needs it!" is the first giant leap on the road to needing a ubuntu re-install.
[04:21] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[04:21] <paulproteus> paulw: Type my name.
[04:22] <paulproteus> _adam: If you mostly use KDE, pick KDM.
[04:22] <paulproteus> _adam: If you mostly use GNOME, use GDM.
[04:22] <bytefoo> i thought linux never had to be reinstalled :)
[04:22] <cafuego> ksmurf: ^^ keep that in mind.
[04:22] <Madpilot> paulw: this should be highlighted for you. just start a line with somebody's nick
[04:22] <JBLoudG20> I am having problems with mp3 playback. I get normal system sounds, but when i start amarok it gives me an error message about not being able to initilize the sound driver
[04:22] <JBLoudG20> what should I do to fix that?
[04:22] <paulw> Madpilot, thx
[04:23] <ksmurf> I am just trying to get python2.3-pysqlite2 working so I can get PenguinTV working.
[04:23] <paulproteus> JBLoudG20: Tell amarok t use GStreamer output rather than XINE output.
[04:23] <cfk> if I have the install CD under /media/ubuntu, what would the line in /etc/apt/sources look like?
[04:23] <bytefoo> i dunno, but with xmms i had to change the output plugin to esound from oss to get music to plaly
[04:23] <paulproteus> ksmurf: Where do you get the package for this?
[04:23] <cfk> I thougt it was deb file://media/ubuntu/ubuntu..., but that doesn't seem to be flying
[04:23] <ksmurf> paul  .... GnomeFiles... I can get u the link
[04:23] <paulw> I been working on this sound problem for a couple days or so now, couple guys in the channel have had me try and check a few things, no luck so far, like i say it looks like it hsould be working
[04:23] <paulproteus> ksmurf: Sure, URL-slap me.
[04:24] <_adam> paulproteus I just installed that because KDE was giving me problems
[04:24] <lJlolel> there should be a faq for the coolest things you can do in linux -- like a terminal with a transparent background
[04:24] <JBLoudG20> paulproteus, under settings -> engine, there is nothing listed... is that where im supposed to go?
[04:24] <paulw> paulproteus, i see your helping other people, should i wait til later?
[04:24] <ksmurf> http://gooeylinux.org/packages/binary/
[04:24] <bob2> terminals with transparent backgrounds aren't very cool
[04:24] <paulproteus> paulw: Well, I'm not sure I have any ideas.
[04:24] <cafuego> ksmurf: Make a backport for your libc6 version using the deb-src
[04:24] <bob2> especially since they're not actually transparemt
[04:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus, no luck
[04:25] <bob2> paulw: you unmuted it?
[04:25] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: That's sad.
[04:25] <cookiemnstr> hey all
[04:25] <cookiemnstr> is there a internet calling manager for ubuntu?
[04:25] <ksmurf> cafuego ... now I don't have a clue what you are talking about
[04:25] <lJlolel> bob2, right, they just echo the background, but still!
[04:25] <paulw> bob2, pretty sure, how should i doublecheck?
[04:25] <bob2> paulw: use alsamixer
[04:25] <_adam> I have an error I would like someone to look at, please send me a pm so I can paste it, it's only a couple lines but I don't want to waste space here
[04:25] <bob2> mm at the bottom of the control means that channel is muted
[04:25] <cfk> cookiemnstr, like "dial on demand"?
[04:25] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Have you tried running update-grub ?
[04:25] <Madpilot> lJlolel: was thinking of an UbuntuEyeCandy page for the wiki, actually
[04:25] <bob2> _adam: #flood
[04:26] <paulw> bob2, i got it open what should i look at?
[04:26] <bob2> paulw: as above
[04:26] <lJlolel> Madpilot, sounds like a good idea
[04:26] <cookiemnstr> cfk
[04:26] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus: How can I run update-grub if I can't boot into Ubuntu? I'm on a Live CD right now.
[04:26] <cookiemnstr> it lets me know when people phone me when i am online
[04:26] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: mount your partition, then chroot in.
[04:26] <paulw> bob2, right now i got master, pcm, surround, center on 00 100<>100
[04:26] <cafuego> ksmurf: Find the source deb for python2.3-pysqlite2; unpack it; compile it on your machine, so the libc6 requirements is set to YOUR version; install the resulting .deb
[04:26] <Madpilot> lJlolel: transparent terminals, replacing the Gnome foot with the Ubuntu circle, stuff like that
[04:26] <bob2> paulw: so, that's not what I said
[04:26] <cookiemnstr> it should there number and name then i get of line and  phone them back
[04:27] <bob2> paulw: check them all
[04:27] <cookiemnstr> shows
[04:27] <cfk> cookiemnstr, ah.  I am still trying to figure out how to allow users to do dialup...
[04:27] <bob2> cookiemnstr: talk to your modem manufacturer or phone company
[04:27] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus - How can I have do that?
[04:27] <bob2> _adam: sudo apt-get update
[04:27] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Do you know how to mount things from the command line?
[04:27] <bob2> _adam: also, #kubuntu
[04:27] <cookiemnstr> cfk thats easy
[04:27] <paulw> bob2, ok, everyhign 00
[04:28] <ksmurf> cafuego... K I'll try.
[04:28] <_adam> I did that bob2, it gives me the exact error
[04:28] <JBLoudG20> I dont get any sound in Xine either
[04:28] <bob2> paulw: and turned to the max?
[04:28] <cookiemnstr> i figered out how to use dial up
[04:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus, - yes
[04:28] <cfk> cookiemnstr, so sounds like you know... so, I have the modem/phone#/user/pw setup, but right now it connects on boot.  how can I allow the user to control when it connects?
[04:28] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Great.  Mount the Ubuntu partition somewhere.
[04:28] <paulproteus> Then "cd" there.
[04:28] <bob2> _adam: then apt told you some other things that you did't paste
[04:28] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Then run "chroot ." .
[04:28] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Do this all as root.
[04:28] <bob2> cfk: pon to connect, poff to connect
[04:28] <bob2> cfk: rm /etc/ppp/connect_on_boot or whatever
[04:28] <paulw> bob2, yep
[04:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus, is it listed in /etc/fstab?
[04:29] <cookiemnstr> yeah or right click on top bar and add modem lights
[04:29] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Not by default, it won't be.
[04:29] <bob2> paulw: and 'fuser -v /dev/snd/*' prints?
[04:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus,  - then how do I find-out where my HDD is? I know how to mount, I just don't know how to find what to mount. ;-)
[04:29] <_adam> What do you mean bob2?
[04:29] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Okay. :)
[04:29] <bob2> _adam: paste entire output of apt
[04:29] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Try this:
[04:29] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[04:29] <paulw> bob2, lost me there
[04:29] <paulproteus> That should list the partitions.  Is the Ubuntu one obvious?
[04:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah, it's on hdb though.
[04:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> ;-)
[04:30] <_adam> Where?
[04:30] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Okay. :)
[04:30] <MattBaer> ok, re-burn didnt work either.
[04:30] <bob2> paulw: it's a command.  you run it.
[04:30] <bob2> _adam: #flood of course
[04:31] <paulw> bob2, the asterisk and print is what i don't understand
[04:31] <cfk> bob2 - no gui clicky thing?  (I can setup icons to run the commands if needed)
[04:31] <paulproteus> JBLoudG20: Install the package amarok-gstreamer
[04:31] <paulproteus> That should give you the choice.
[04:31] <bob2> cfk: probably, but no idea
[04:31] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Status update?
[04:32] <bob2> paulw: when someone says run 'blah', you type everything inside the ' into your terminal
[04:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah, I'm in the partition - when I type chroot it tells me to type --help for options.
[04:32] <bob2> paulw: prints = what does it show you?  put it in #flood
[04:32] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: chroot <dot>
[04:32] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: The '.' character.
[04:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[04:32] <pestilence> anybody use xfce4?  i'm having problems installing it, and it is due to emacsen-common...http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1709
[04:32] <paulw> bob2, ok, in flood
[04:33] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: then you're not trying to chroot into a working linnux system
[04:33] <Carpe_Libertatem> There's more than one ext3 partition.
[04:33] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Well, mount 'em all, so the hierarchy is right.
[04:33] <pestilence> the main problem is this:  cp: cannot stat `/etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el': No such file or directory
[04:33] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Do you need help with that?
[04:33] <Carpe_Libertatem> Nope.
[04:33] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Great. :)
[04:34] <pestilence> anybody have emacsen-common or xfce4 installed successfully?
[04:34] <bob2> paulw: and now "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp", hit ctrl-c to stop it
[04:34] <paulw> bob2, no sound
[04:34] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok, chroot . worked
[04:34] <paulproteus> paulw: Are your speakres powered-on?
[04:35] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Great.  Now run, iirc, update-grub.
[04:35] <paulw> bob2, yes, using headphones
[04:35] <bytefoo> did the flashplayer-mozilla package get moved to a different repo or renamed?
[04:35] <JBLoudG20> paulproteus, still nothing
[04:35] <bob2> paulw: you know they work?
[04:35] <paulw> bob2, yeah
[04:35] <bytefoo> maybe they are usb headphones :X
[04:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> paulproteus: Ok, it updated /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[04:35] <paulw> bytefoo, standard earbuds
[04:35] <bytefoo> kk
[04:36] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Okay.  Well, uh, see if it works.
[04:36] <Carpe_Libertatem> All right.
[04:36] <bytefoo> where is the flashplayer-mozilla package located?
[04:36] <bob2> paulw: it works if you reboot into windows, fir instance?
[04:37] <_adam> Does anyone have a 64bit proc. that would share their sources.list with me?
[04:37] <paulw> bob2, well computer is brand new, do windows
[04:37] <bob2> bytefoo: dude, packages.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <dennis_> Hey bob2
[04:37] <paulw> bob2, do = no
[04:37] <bob2> _adam: it's the same as on any other version of ubuntu
[04:37] <bob2> _adam: perhaps kubuntu hasn't built amd64 packages; #kubuntu
[04:37] <dennis_> bob2, Is there a way to bind a keyboard command to kill a process?
[04:37] <bob2> dennis_: be more specific
[04:37] <bob2> you mean in gnome? yes.
[04:37] <dennis_> Yeah
[04:38] <bob2> go to the keybindings config thing
[04:38] <bytefoo> ahh
[04:38] <dennis_> Like I want to bind Ctrl + f9 to kill all sh processes
[04:38] <bytefoo> multiverse :X
[04:38] <_adam> bob2 I am using a kubuntu 64bit version, I was just wondering if there was any updates to kde that were 64bit
[04:38] <bob2> dennis_: that would be a bad idea
[04:38] <bob2> _adam: so, ask in #kubuntu, who might know
[04:38] <dennis_> How about to kill all wine processes?
[04:38] <paulproteus> dennis_: killall wine
[04:39] <dennis_> Yeah
[04:39] <bob2> also, it'd be great if people stopped saying "64-bit" when they mean "amd64"
[04:39] <_adam>  Sorry
[04:39] <dennis_> But I want to bind that to a keyboard shortcut
[04:39] <paulproteus> bob2: Well, it *is* the only 64-bit Ubuntu arch.
[04:39] <dennis_> Because when I quit games in cedega
[04:39] <dennis_> It sometimes freezes
[04:39] <ksmurf> is there an ok way to go from hoary to breezy?
[04:39] <bob2> paulproteus: ports.ubuntu.com ;)
[04:39] <dennis_> and I have to kill the wine process
[04:39] <bob2> ksmurf: I wouldn't recommend that atm...
[04:39] <bob2> dennis_: yes, you can do that, look at the keybindings applet
[04:40] <dennis_> Wheres it located? :o
[04:40] <bob2> same place everything elese like that is
[04:40] <bob2> system -> preferences
[04:40] <Orborde> So I have successfully broken my graphics drivers.
[04:41] <dennis_> bob2, there is no option
[04:41] <paulw> bob2, anythign else i should look at or try?
[04:41] <dennis_> to bind a "Killall wine" command to
[04:41] <bob2> paulw: I'd be looking at making sure your hardware works at all
[04:41] <JBLoudG20> aargh i hate when things dont work
[04:41] <paulproteus> JBLoudG20: Did you install it?
[04:41] <paulproteus> JBLoudG20: What's not working?
[04:42] <mrd`> I have two machines running Hoary using ssh to connect to a third Hoary machine.  One is able to forward a localport (-L option), while the other gives the error "cannot listen to port: 10993".
[04:42] <mrd`> Anyone have any insight why?
[04:42] <dennis_> bob2, there is no option in that menu to bind ctrl + f9 to "killall wine"
[04:43] <bob2> yes, indeed
[04:43] <bob2> be quiet while I find it for you
[04:43] <dennis_> :P
[04:43] <dennis_> Thanks bro.
[04:43] <paulproteus> bob2++ :)
[04:43] <dennis_> <3
[04:43] <JBLoudG20> paulproteus, I installed the package you told me too, and I had already installed gstreamer
[04:43] <dennis_> I'm so exhausted
[04:43] <bob2> gconf-editor
[04:43] <dennis_> I just read a 400 page book and wrote a fucking 3 page report on it
[04:43] <dennis_> :o
[04:43] <bob2> apps.metacity.keybindings_command
[04:43] <dennis_> I can't think
[04:43] <moomooboy> can someone tell me what 3ddesktop does??
[04:43] <paulproteus> JBLoudG20: Okay.  Did you switch the engine for Amarok then?
[04:43] <JBLoudG20> paulproteus, I get no sound from mp3's (amarok) or even from xine, but I get system sounds
[04:43] <bob2> moomooboy: nothing very useful
[04:44] <paulproteus> JBLoudG20: I know.
[04:44] <bob2> JBLoudG20: configure them to use esd
[04:44] <paulproteus> In Amarok, did you try switching the output method to Gstreamer?
[04:44] <paulproteus> The engine.
[04:44] <moomooboy> i thought it was gonna make my linux desktop look 3d`:(
[04:44] <bob2> moomooboy: what does "look 3d" mean?
[04:44] <moomooboy> yeh i have problems with playing mp3 on Amarok too
[04:44] <JBLoudG20> paulproteus, there are no engines available... when i start them for the first time when i reboot, they give me a sound engine error message
[04:45] <moomooboy> i dont know lol.. i just dont notice a difference lol
[04:45] <bob2> moomooboy: er, you of course have to run it
[04:45] <dennis_> bob2, can you help me set it up though?
[04:45] <dennis_> I'm new to this stuff
[04:45] <bob2> dennis_: dude
[04:45] <dennis_> I navigated to the spot
[04:45] <bob2> 12:43:35           bob2 | gconf-editor
[04:45] <dennis_> I know
[04:45] <bob2> 12:43:47           bob2 | apps.metacity.keybindings_command
[04:45] <dennis_> I got there
[04:45] <bob2> then set the command
[04:45] <dennis_> What do I put for type?
[04:45] <bob2> for command_1
[04:45] <dennis_> Oh
[04:45] <dennis_> Okay
[04:45] <bob2> igore the type
[04:46] <moomooboy> how do i run it bob lol
[04:46] <bob2> moomooboy: read it's instructions.  bear in mind that it replaces gnome, and does nothing useful.
[04:46] <QMario> !Java
[04:46] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:46] <bob2>  /usr/share/doc/3ddesktop/blah
[04:46] <moomooboy> where do i find the instructions ?
[04:46] <moomooboy> i dont even know where the files download to :\
[04:46] <moomooboy> thx
[04:46] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[04:46] <moomooboy> ill take a look
[04:46] <bob2> but seriously, it is not useful
[04:46] <dennis_> bob2, now how do i use the shortcut? It says command_1?
[04:47] <bytefoo> moomooboy, http://www.roguelazer.com/Screenshots/k/3ddesktop.jpg
[04:47] <bytefoo> :/
[04:47] <bob2> dennis_: then go to global keybindings
[04:47] <bob2> the "direcotyr" above window_keybindings
[04:47] <bob2> and put a keybinding for run_command_1
[04:47] <moomooboy> that looks cool lol..
[04:47] <bob2> bear in mind gconf is crack and makes you type a string for the binding
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[04:48] <dennis_> k
[04:48] <JBLoudG20> nvm.. i figured it out.. thakns for the help
[04:48] <_adam> Anyone know how to get rounded boxes in firefox?
[04:48] <dennis_> now to see if it works :o
[04:48] <bob2> ksmurf: do not /msg or /notice me
[04:48] <cfk> bugbuddy wants path to send mail - is that installed by default?  (breezy)
[04:50] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[04:50] <moomooboy> bob2
[04:50] <moomooboy> ummm the place where you told me to go to /usr/share/
[04:50] <bob2> so, there's few things more annoying on irc than triggering hilighitng for no reason
[04:50] <mrd`> nm, the loopback interface wasn't up on one of the systems.
[04:50] <moomooboy> how do i install them?
[04:50] <EnsignRedshirt> What can I use to view .wmv or .asp files on the web?
[04:50] <ksmurf> sorry bob2...
[04:51] <bob2> EnsignRedshirt: moziilla-mplayer (or vice versa)
[04:51] <bob2> moomooboy: they come with that package....
[04:51] <cookiemnstr> for people with dial up and not sure how to set it up i have a webpage for you
[04:51] <bob2> cookiemnstr: there's a page on the wiki already
[04:51] <moomooboy> so how do i make it so that it shows on my desktop for the clock thinge i downloaded
[04:51] <cookiemnstr> yeah
[04:52] <bob2> moomooboy: could you be less vague?
[04:52] <bob2> perhaps telling us what "clock thinge" you're talking about
[04:52] <bob2> or what deskto pthis is
[04:52] <moomooboy> sorry ill look
[04:52] <bob2> or what you mean by "downloaded"
[04:52] <bob2> etc
[04:52] <moomooboy> okok
[04:52] <moomooboy> ill look @ what i downloaded
[04:53] <cookiemnstr> ny idea what I put in /etc/apt/sources to use the local cd that is mounted under /media/breezy/ ?
[04:54] <bob2> deb file:///media/breezy/ breezy main
[04:55] <lilo> human beings should completely ignore this mention of ##do_not_join_thuenhtaueoa (spambot honeypot)
[04:55] <lilo> ah
[04:55] <lilo> you guys are right on top of this, very good move with the +f
[04:56] <_adam> How can I uninstall GNOME
[04:56] <_adam> and just get back to default kubuntu'
[04:56] <moomooboy> ok bob i just downloaded 3dwm-clock
[04:57] <bob2> _adam: depends now you installed it
[04:57] <bob2> and what you mean by 'uninstall GNOME'
[04:57] <bob2> if you just want KDE to be the default, install kubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <bob2> moomooboy: are you using 3dwm?
[04:57] <_adam> bob2 I was having lockup problems with what I thought was KDE's fault so I followed someones advice and through terminal ran install gnome
[04:57] <moomooboy> i dont even know wat that is.. :|
[04:57] <EnsignRedshirt> bob2: Any chance mozilla-mplayer will work with Firefox that was installed from the mozilla web page?  (I'm running warty.)
[04:58] <moomooboy> is that suppose to be a appz..
[04:58] <bob2> moomooboy: then why do you want 3dwm-clock?
[04:58] <bob2> dude, this is adult-town, "appz" is not a word
[04:58] <bob2> _adam: it's extremely unlikely that "kde" could cause that
[04:58] <moomooboy> i thought it was a desktop clock?
[04:58] <moomooboy> is it not?
[04:58] <bob2> _adam: install kubuntu-desktop
[04:58] <_adam> I know, that's why I want to go back to KDE
[04:58] <_adam> ok
[04:58] <moomooboy> i just want a massive clock on my desktop :)?
[04:58] <bob2> moomooboy: did you read the package description?
[04:59] <moomooboy> didnt really understand it .. i just thought it was a clock for my desktop
[04:59] <bob2> it's for 3dwm
[04:59] <cookiemnstr> thanks for the help guys
[04:59] <moomooboy> so i need to download 3dwm first before i can get that clock to work
[04:59] <bob2> do you want 3dwm?
[05:00] <romulo> why failsafe mode doesnt exist anymore in live cd?
[05:00] <bob2> if your question is "How do I get a big clock on my desktop?", then the simplest answer is "run xclock".
[05:00] <moomooboy> oh okies
[05:00] <moomooboy> but i want a fancy one
[05:00] <EnsignRedshirt> xclock?
[05:00] <moomooboy> that looks plain
[05:00] <bob2> then install gdesklets or something
[05:01] <_adam> bob2 it says kubuntu desktop is already the newest version
[05:01] <bob2> great
[05:02] <_adam> ?
[05:02] <moomooboy> okies im installing gdesklets now
[05:02] <bob2> _adam: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm'
[05:02] <bob2> starting your nick with a symbol makes it harder for people to talk to you, too
[05:03] <_adam> it does that automatically, ill change it
[05:03] <_adam> do I change from kdm to gdm?
[05:04] <bob2> don't you want kde?
[05:04] <_adam> yes
[05:04] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I mount an NTFS partition?
[05:05] <bob2> !+mount
[05:05] <ubotu> somebody said mount was the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[05:05] <_adam> so gdm?
[05:05] <bob2> !+windowsdrives
[05:05] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[05:05] <_adam> cause it's alraeyd set on kdm
[05:05] <bob2> well, remove gdm, I suppose
[05:05] <bob2> you didn't tell us how you installed gnome to begin with
[05:05] <_adam> I was at this exact blue screen, and it said kdm or gdm, I said kdm
[05:05] <_adam> I just want how my icons and bars and everything used to be set up
[05:05] <NeoFax> _adam: If you are using breezy colony 3 and the kubuntu packages, KDM is broke right now.
[05:07] <regeya> any idea if the objc++ stuff made it into gcc 4.x?
[05:07] <bob2> hah
[05:07] <bob2> only 1pm
[05:07] <bimberi> lol
[05:08] <bob2> has someone made a Free clone of wbeobjects yet?
[05:09] <regeya> http://www.gnustepweb.org/ <- bob2
[05:09] <bob2> hah
[05:09] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can someone help me getting my SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Soundcard to work?
[05:09] <bob2> that's a bad way to ask
[05:10] <bob2> since no one can guess at the scope of your problem, nor your skills, nor what you've tried already
[05:10] <bob2> something like "I'm trying to get my sb audigy2 to to work, and hotplug doesn't seem to be loading the module for it, but according to $url, it's supported in 2.6.10."
[05:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> I just installed Ubuntu, my system detects the sound card but it shows as an unknown device type. That's all I know.
[05:12] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: do you get any sounds at all?
[05:12] <bob2> "shows"? where?
[05:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> No sounds at all.
[05:12] <bob2> lspci is not a useful test for anything
[05:12] <bob2> dmesg shows the module is loaded and working?
[05:12] <bob2> you've unmuted all the channels?
[05:12] <bob2> does cat'ing crap work?
[05:13] <Carpe_Libertatem> I don't know what you're talking about. :-)
[05:13] <biffyjo> hi folks, i'm trying to do a full system backup using a "tar cvfzp" command, and every single time, my computer just shutsdown sometime before its done--this happens whether I use a live CD or my regular login..help?
[05:13] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: put /var/log/dmesg on the web somewhere
[05:13] <bob2> biffyjo: that's not going to work
[05:14] <bob2> biffyjo: certainly not unless you tell tar to ignore /sys and /proc
[05:15] <biffyjo> bob2, even if i'm doing it from a live CD? - where I just tell it to backup /mnt/hda, where hda is my HD?
[05:15] <bob2> biffyjo: depends what's in /mnt/hda
[05:15] <biffyjo> bob2 thats the root of my main hd
[05:15] <bob2> indeed
[05:15] <bob2> does it have /proc mounted? /dev? /sys?
[05:16] <biffyjo> yeah, but, for example, /proc would be empty (don't know about dev or sys though) -- but i just figured they weren't "in use" at the time--given that I had to manually mount that drive anyways
[05:17] <biffyjo> oh, and I'm backing up to an external drive
[05:17] <pmazer> anyone know what program i would be looking for if i wanted to stream music from a mac through a linux box with speakers?
[05:19] <Crimguy> Hello - trying to upgrade from debian unstable to ubuntu.  Getting gpg errors on apt-get update.  Any way to fix?
[05:19] <biffyjo> maybe I should back up and do an easier question--I want to repartition my drive on this machine, so I want to do a full backup--I have multiple computers and a very large external hard drive that I can use--whats the best way to go about it?
[05:20] <biffyjo> maybe I should back up--I want to repartition my drive on this machine, so I want to do a full backup--I have multiple computers and a very large external hard drive that I can use--ideas?
[05:21] <Crimguy> cp -R / /mnt/backupdrive/folder                     ?
[05:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> bob2 - http://esenthiel.net/dmesg is my dmesg file
[05:23] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: try "sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1"
[05:23] <biffyjo> Crimguy - cool; I wont get any errors trying to copy weird stuff like the /sys and /proc "folders?"
[05:23] <biffyjo> or the mounted drive itself?
[05:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> Done.
[05:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> Now what?
[05:24] <crimsun> paulw: were you asking for me earlier?
[05:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> bob2, done, now what?
[05:25] <pmazer> is it possible to view and play itunes music shares via linux?
[05:31] <narg> The python-apt package is installed in my system, yet it seems that it wont let me import the module in the python. Is it installed somewhere funky?
[05:31] <Yagisan>  /umode +CE
[05:32] <paulproteus> narg: Check in /usr/share/doc/python-apt/ to make sure you're doing the right thing.
[05:34] <Toba> how good is wireless nic support?
[05:34] <Ramah> Hey all, just wanted some advice I'm having trouble finding the location of my windows partitions (which are fat32) what is the best way to find them (everything I google tells me linuxconf at bash but that doesn't work for me)
[05:35] <bimberi> !wireless
[05:35] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:35] <Madpilot> !+windowsdrives
[05:35] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[05:35] <moomooboy> can someone tell me what is GTK?
[05:36] <crimsun> moomooboy: that's answered in apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0 and www.gtk.org
[05:36] <aru> !gtk
[05:36] <ubotu> No idea, aru
[05:36] <aru> darn
[05:37] <biffyjo> sorry to bug folks again, but has anyone successfully done a full system backup? how?
[05:38] <Ramah> Thank you ubotu
[05:38] <D1> my kingdom for a good gtk2 ftp client!
[05:38] <ttyS0> !compiling kernel
[05:38] <ubotu> ttyS0: Are you smoking crack?
[05:38] <Ramah> madpilot thx
[05:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> Bah.
[05:39] <delltony> is there a package that can be downloaded to play .ram files?
[05:39] <Madpilot> bimberi: nah, I'm just tired of having ubotu /msg me when I meant to post in channel... ;)
[05:39] <delltony> wanting to listen to the live coverage of hurricane katrina from hurricancity :(
[05:39] <bimberi> Madpilot: :)
[05:39] <bimberi> !+kernelcompile
[05:39] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[05:40] <bimberi> :)
[05:40] <ttyS0> mmmm, thx
[05:40] <bimberi> ttyS0: yw :)
[05:42] <ttyS0> delltony, it's realplayer. just google for binary installer.
[05:42] <delltony> alright
[05:42] <bimberi> !info realplayer
[05:42] <ubotu> realplayer: (Real Player (installer)), section multiverse/net, is optional. Version: 8.0.11 (hoary), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[05:42] <Madpilot> ttyS0 & delltony: realplayer in in the repos
[05:43] <ttyS0> doh! my reaplayer installer is 5,5 MB
[05:44] <ttyS0> :)
[05:44] <toran> hey guys.. how do I deinstall the latest ati drivers? I was using the ubuntu ones, but I tried upgrading. Now I no longer have 3d acceleration.
[05:45] <bob2> have to ask #ati
[05:45] <bob2> since it just threw files onto the disk
[05:46] <bob2> then you'll probably need to reinstall xserver-xorg and and 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:46] <mello6> jerks.
[05:46] <mello6> stupid spambot, just making it difficult for good people
[05:46] <mello6> grr >:|
[05:46] <bimberi> glad you clarified
[05:49] <delltony> sweat its working if anyone is interested in this let me know this guy is great in covering hurricane coverage on the net
[05:49] <delltony> thanks Madpilot and ttyS0
[05:49] <Ramah> do mp3's work out of the box for anyone else?
[05:49] <Dritz> Where can I get glibc?  I'm trying to run the MySQL Migration script/package and it says libjvm.so is not found.  It explicitly states that glibc is necessary but I can't find a version in the repositories.  I'm using Breezy btw.
[05:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> I can't get my soundcard to work. I've tried following the guide at ubuntuguide.org, with no luck
[05:52] <evilmegaman> hi
[05:53] <evilmegaman> I have a question. When I try to install the official nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, it says it can't find anything in my CC path and that I don't have gcc
[05:54] <crimsun> why do you need to upgrade drivers?
[05:54] <moomooboy> anyone wanna give me lesson's on ubuntu.. things to know and what not to do ?? ^^
[05:54] <evilmegaman> because I need 3d ;)
[05:54] <crimsun> does Hoary's version not support your hardware?
[05:54] <evilmegaman> or direct rendering
[05:54] <aru> whats the metacity used there? http://gnome-look.org/content/pre1/28366-1.jpg
[05:54] <evilmegaman> wait
[05:54] <evilmegaman> crimsun, I just got an nvidia card today
[05:54] <D1> what player is that?
[05:55] <evilmegaman> I thought there was no free nvidia driver? or is that only true for ATI
[05:55] <evilmegaman> ?
[05:55] <D1> I'd ask in the thread or comments section
[05:55] <ksmurf> In synapic I'm being told that it wants to uninstall libgl-xorg and dri and install the mesa version.  Is that safe?
[05:55] <ksmurf> for breexy
[05:55] <crimsun> evilmegaman: there is no "free as in speech" Nvidia driver that performs hardware-accelerated 3D under Linux
[05:56] <daysleper> evilmegaman,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:56] <evilmegaman> okay daysleeper
[05:56] <aru> free as in vicodin
[05:57] <Burgundavia> daysleper, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[05:57] <kevogod> There is no Evil Megaman.
[05:57] <evilmegaman> :P
[05:57] <evilmegaman> lol hey kevogod
[05:57] <evilmegaman> Nice to see you :)
[05:58] <daysleper> Burgundavia, why?
[05:58] <kevogod> daysleeper: Because they don't like it.
[05:58] <daysleper> what?
[05:58] <daysleper> why?
[05:58] <kevogod> daysleeper: Recommend the Wiki instead.
[05:58] <ksmurf> Because it just tells not teaches
[05:58] <evilmegaman> yeah I was at the wiki earlier
[05:58] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[05:58] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[05:58] <Parisi> That sounds retarded
[05:59] <evilmegaman> The wiki didn't mention anything about gcc
[05:59] <kevogod> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:59] <evilmegaman> or did it?
[05:59] <durt> the forums are better than both the wiki and the guide
[05:59] <mgcross> wow...THAT was a pain in the ass....
[05:59] <crimsun> evilmegaman: you probably should not try to compile/install a newer Nvidia driver version unless you MUST
[05:59] <mgcross> how to kill spambot owner
[06:00] <daysleper> what more does this page tell the user? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia  ?
[06:00] <evilmegaman> Oh ok
[06:00] <crimsun> evilmegaman: since if you don't do it properly, you'll clobber all the infrastructure Ubuntu creates, which will result in hardware-accelerated 3D not working
[06:00] <kevogod> mgcross: I have one of those new high-powered lasers. Give me the coordinates.
[06:00] <evilmegaman> Thank you crimsun
[06:00] <mgcross> lol
[06:01] <daysleper> if i had a friend that had no interests in computers, but wanted to watch his porn using ubuntu,  .. i'd for sure point him to the shortest, most direct explanation
[06:01] <crimsun> daysleper: "explanation" being key
[06:01] <kevogod> evilmegaman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual as an alternative
[06:01] <durt> thats what i do with ubuntu by the way
[06:01] <crimsun> procedure != explanation
[06:01] <daysleper> don't be retarded
[06:02] <crimsun> and you, don't take offense
[06:02] <mgcross> Wow...came looking for some help, and learned how to register my nick....kewl, lol
[06:02] <daysleper> you guys know what i mean
[06:02] <daysleper> (if you're over 14 that is)
[06:02] <kevogod> I am retarded. Don't offend me.
[06:03] <crimsun> daysleper: I know what you're trying to say - which is precisely what ubuntuguide tends NOT to do, which is why Burgundavia was rather emphatic
[06:03] <kevogod> Ubuntuguide is much more like a checklist.
[06:04] <evilmegaman> thanks kevogod
[06:05] <mgcross> I just bought a new printer, using linuxprinting.org as a guide...bought an Epson...I then downloaded the latest gutenprint source, compiled and then installed with checkinstall....but the driver doesn't show up using <system prefs> <printer>...what did I do wrong?
[06:05] <mgcross> anyone help?
[06:06] <paulproteus> daysleper++
[06:06] <Burgundavia> daysleper, a major issue for Ubuntu is that the ubuntuguide is read only to the doc team and others. Thus we cannot correct mistakes. The wiki we can
[06:07] <daysleper> Burgundavia, now that is a valid argument, thank you
[06:07] <bimberi> mgcross: what worked for my printer was to download a PPD file (from the same site) and use it at step 2 of the New Printer process (click on the Install Driver button)
[06:07] <Orborde> Is the Ubuntu update cycle slowing down in anticipation of 5.10?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> daysleper, we (the Ubuntu doc team) tried to communicate with the author of the Ubuntuguide, with some good initial success, but limited ongoing success
[06:07] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: I think you guys should arrange to get write access so you can fix things. :)
[06:09] <mgcross> bimberi: I'll try that....It works right now using gimp print, but I want to be able to print cd's as well
[06:10] <bimberi> mgcross: k
[06:10] <bimberi> good luck :)
[06:10] <konra`> I'm having some problems with the ubuntu setup - on the username/password stage, I enter the full name, username, and password (twice), and then it goes back to "enter the fullname" again
[06:10] <Burgundavia> paulproteus, we would rather have the wiki thnaks
[06:11] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: Well, I think this attitude is problematic.
[06:11] <Razor-X> !find unitsdef
[06:11] <paulproteus> While the wiki is good for many users, some people want quick answers and want no understanding.
[06:11] <crimsun> have there been efforts to merge ubuntuguide into the official wiki?
[06:11] <Razor-X> crimsun: i've heard there have been, but that was a while back
[06:11] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: I worry that the doc team isn't interested in documenting things to those sorts of users.
[06:11] <Razor-X> !info unitsdef
[06:11] <Burgundavia> crimsun, the ubuntuguide is the basis for our faqguide (which is going to be the default mainpage for Help in Breezy)
[06:12] <durt> the guide adds to understanding
[06:12] <crimsun> Burgundavia: excellent
[06:12] <Razor-X> !search unitsdef
[06:12] <ubotu> Razor-X: Are you smoking crack?
[06:12] <Razor-X> gah
[06:12] <Razor-X> what happened to the ``find'' command?
[06:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'unitsdef' returned no results.
[06:12] <Razor-X> -_-
[06:12] <bob2> konra`: what did you enter?
[06:12] <Burgundavia> paulproteus, catering to all users is hard. Catering to our parents is even harder
[06:12] <konra`> "konrad meyer" for full name, "konrad" for username, and passwords
[06:13] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: :)
[06:13] <konra`> bob2: ^
[06:13] <Belutz> Razor-X: does 5gb enoug for / moun point?
[06:13] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: Right, so if you have write access to ubuntuguide, then you can let users cater to users, but correct a few mistakes as they emerge.
[06:13] <Madpilot> paulproteus: that's what the wiki already does, though...
[06:13] <kevogod> Does anyone else think that in Nautilus when viewing location "trash:", there should be an Empty Trash button on the main bar?
[06:13] <paulproteus> Belutz: That should be fine, but I'd make it six.
[06:14] <mgcross> bimberi: ppd for epson photo r210 doesn't seem to exist...grrrrr
[06:14] <paulproteus> Madpilot: But rarely in the same "Bang-bang-bang" method of ubuntuguide.
[06:14] <konra`> bob2: any ideas?
[06:14] <Belutz> paulproteus: ok thx :)
[06:14] <daysleper> paulproteus, it's not in Burgundavia hands .. i'm guessing the problem  is that the author of ubuntuguide won't open for write-access ..
[06:14] <cfk> ok, the "Modem Monitor" will let me connect/disconnect, but it does sudo - any idea how I can allow users that are not suders to do this?
[06:14] <Razor-X> hah, and they said emacs doesen't have WYSIWYG :)
[06:14] <Razor-X> Belutz: yeah, it is
[06:14] <mgcross> bimberi: can't understand why the gutenprint driver doesn't show up...
[06:14] <Burgundavia> daysleper, even if he did, we don't really need to maintain two places. The wiki is already big enough
[06:14] <bytefoo> hey, lets say there was some program that i wanted.  would i just package it and then submit it to the devs?
[06:14] <Madpilot> paulproteus: UserDocumentation is a good place to start
[06:14] <Razor-X> Belutz: that used to by my mount point size... only now it's grown to 15 MB :)
[06:15] <paulproteus> Madpilot: /me checks it out
[06:15] <bob2> konra`: with hoary?
[06:15] <kevogod> Can't you just import his information into the Wiki?
[06:15] <bytefoo> to be included in the repos
[06:15] <Razor-X> s/MB/GB/
[06:15] <konra`> bob2, yes
[06:15] <kevogod> and then make the necessary changes
[06:15] <Burgundavia> kevogod, wrong license
[06:15] <bimberi> mgcross: sorry I don't gutenprint ... if there is a PPD file for an earlier model of a "Epson Photo..." it could be worth a try
[06:16] <konra`> bob2: the installation finished, and now it will not let me log in because I have no account other than root
[06:16] <paulproteus> Wow.  I had no idea about this page.
[06:16] <paulproteus> That's great.
[06:16] <paulproteus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation , that is.
[06:16] <bob2> konra`: you did an expert install?
[06:16] <kevogod> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is a bad link. I'm sorry but it is.
[06:16] <konra`> bob2, no, default install
[06:16] <bimberi> mgcross: don't _know_ gutenprint that is :)
[06:16] <Belutz> Razor-X, paulproteus: i make 5gb for / and 7gb for /home, is that good?
[06:16] <konra`> bob2, the one where you press "ENTER" on boot
[06:16] <Madpilot> paulproteus: yeah - it is linked to from the wiki's main page, though (and I've been adding links back to it from major pages as I edit)
[06:16] <kevogod> It's a good page, but bad "link".
[06:17] <Madpilot> what do you mean by a bad link?
[06:17] <Razor-X> Belutz: hmmm, if you'ne thinking of adding a lot of packages, up the / partition a bit
[06:17] <kevogod> It is not as easy for users to access by simplying typing it into their address bar.
[06:17] <kevogod> ubuntuguide.org is simple and to the point
[06:18] <Burgundavia> kevogod, as has a lot of problems, hence why it is not recommended
[06:18] <Belutz> Razor-X: using gparted right?
[06:18] <kevogod> Burgundavia: I am not talking about the page itself, but the domain.
[06:18] <bytefoo> how can i add a package to a repository
[06:18] <Razor-X> Belutz: if you're doing anything remotely sensitive, I'ld suggest Partition Magic
[06:18] <Burgundavia> kevogod, indeed
[06:19] <Belutz> Razor-X: hmmm ok :)
[06:19] <Burgundavia> kevogod, the doc team is looking at help.ubuntu.com or something similar
[06:19] <konra`> bob2, does it help that it was complaining about not being able to add a password because the username did not exist?
[06:19] <Razor-X> Belutz: Partition Magic is one of those things that OSS still has not done a very good job of emulating
[06:19] <Madpilot> kevogod: good point - but wiki.ubuntu.com is easy too, and UserDocumentation is right at the top of that page, strongly suggested as a starting point
[06:19] <cfk> if lspci shows " 3D Rage IIC AGP " (somewhat old), will BinaryDriverHowto/ATI do me any good?
[06:20] <bob2> konra`: are yo usure your cd isn't broken?
[06:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> I am having trouble getting my SB Audigy 2 Soundcard to work.
[06:20] <konra`> bob2: fairly
[06:20] <paulproteus> Razor-X: I've never had problems with qtparted....
[06:20] <kevogod> Madpilot: People do not know what a "Wiki" is.
[06:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> I am new to Linux.
[06:20] <konra`> bob2: I've used it to install in the past
[06:20] <Belutz> Razor-X: what do you suggest for my / since i only have 12gb space?
[06:20] <Razor-X> kevogod: but, to the untrained eye, the wiki is nothing more than documentation
[06:20] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl. More than likely you need to unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'.
[06:21] <Razor-X> Belutz: 7 goes to /, and 6 goes to /home
[06:21] <Razor-X> errr
[06:21] <Razor-X> Belutz: 6 goes to / and 5 goes to /home
[06:21] <Belutz> Razor-X: ok thx :)
[06:21] <Razor-X> Belutz: and the last 1 GB to swap
[06:21] <kevogod> Razor-X: And documentation makes it sound less walkthrough'ish than a guide.
[06:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> crimsum - How do I get the output from my amixer, and how do I paste it to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> ?
[06:22] <Razor-X> kevogod: well, a guide is a form of documentation, as far as I see it
[06:22] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: open a Terminal, type amixer. Paste the output onto the paste Web site.
[06:22] <Madpilot> kevogod: I guess - Burgundavia's "help.ubuntu.com" might help
[06:22] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: then tell me the URL.
[06:22] <Belutz> Razor-X: 1gb for /swap ??? btw, what's the command for reloading fstab on command line?
[06:23] <Razor-X> Belutz: do you already have a working Linux install you want to extend?
[06:23] <bytefoo> can i submit a package I built to be included in a repository?
[06:23] <dabaR> can you use k3b to burn an audio cd(one that will play in a CD player in a car or so...)?
[06:23] <bytefoo> yes
[06:23] <paulproteus> dabaR: Yes.
[06:23] <dabaR> does it install itself to the Applications menu?
[06:23] <Belutz> Razor-X: actually i just reinstall ubuntu after playing it and crash it :D
[06:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> Crimsun - http://www.linguawiki.org/wiki/index.php/Paste
[06:24] <Razor-X> Belutz: meh
[06:24] <Razor-X> Belutz: well, you'll need a swap partition, this is basically where programs go when your RAM is all used up
[06:24] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' as I suggested.
[06:25] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: use the Volume Control
[06:25] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: or double-click the speaker icon in the upper right corner
[06:25] <Belutz> Razor-X: i gave /swap 512MB is that not enough?
[06:25] <kevogod> Belutz: How much memory do you have on your system?
[06:25] <Toba> the installer is taking foreeeever
[06:25] <Razor-X> Belutz: that depends on the RAM you have
[06:26] <Belutz> kevogod: 512MB
[06:26] <Razor-X> and whether you're going to be doing memory intensive stuff
[06:26] <kevogod> Belutz: It should probably be 768-1024 MB.
[06:26] <Razor-X> Belutz: yeah, as kevogod says, I suggest allocating a GB
[06:26] <cfk> what is the /etc file that allows certian users to execute certian commands as root?
[06:26] <kevogod> Although I don't see why 512 MB can't work.
[06:26] <Belutz> hmmm ok
[06:26] <kevogod> I would just recommend not setting it too low.
[06:26] <Razor-X> cfk: /etc/sudoers, IIRC
[06:26] <Carpe_Libertatem> crimsun - I don' t see 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' anywhere.
[06:27] <crimsun> choose the ALSA device in the menu
[06:27] <Carpe_Libertatem> Did.
[06:27] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: in a Terminal, type amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[06:27] <cfk> Razor-X, oh yeah.. forgot that was more then just user names - thaks
[06:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok, works now. Thanks!
[06:28] <Belutz> ok i will just reinstall now, while i still have nothing on my linux box :)
[06:28] <dabaR> Are gnome-media gnupg libpcre3 linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 all legit updates as of lately?
[06:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> Will I have to set it on everytime I boot-up?
[06:28] <kevogod> I use 1.5 to 2 times the amount of my memory for swap with a max of 1 GB swap.
[06:28] <Belutz> so 6gb for /, 5gb for /home and 1gb for /swap?
[06:29] <crimsun> Carpe_Libertatem: no
[06:30] <kevogod> Belutz: That should work.
[06:30] <Belutz> Razor-X, kevogod: ok thx :D
[06:31] <eklektik> hi. has anyone here suffered a loss of GNOME panels?
[06:31] <kevogod> I'm using 7 partitions besides the swap partition.
[06:31] <cfk> eklektik, mine crashed about an hour or so ago
[06:31] <Belutz> wow
[06:31] <Belutz> what aer they?
[06:32] <eklektik> cfk: Was there any reason for that?
[06:32] <cfk> eklektik, (im running breezy)
[06:32] <eklektik> cfk: but I'm only on Hoary. I can log into Linux, but I don't get the taskbars - do you?
[06:32] <kevogod>  /, /boot, /usr, /var, /opt, /home, and /tmp
[06:32] <optilock> i am wondering if you can run xp under vmware with ubuntu ?
[06:33] <cfk> eklektik, and I see that there is an update, so 2 reasons
[06:33] <evilmegaman> someone needs to kick hemen
[06:33] <cfk> eklektik, I get the taksbars - both in breezy and my hoary box
[06:33] <Belutz> ic
[06:34] <eklektik> cfk: (groan) I don't. I guess its just bad luck. RageLinkX was having the same problem some hours ago
[06:34] <evilmegaman> Anyways, The nvidia drivers don't work and glxinfo returns 0.0 all over the place
[06:34] <mgcross> bimberi: hehe...didn't build the driver with ./configure --with-cups
[06:34] <kevogod> evilmegaman: It's "Anyway". There is no such thing as "Anyways".
[06:34] <evilmegaman> Sorry mr.picky
[06:35] <kevogod> :)
[06:35] <cfk> ok, i am lost in sudoers land... I think there is an easier way to get users on the Net via dialu.  anyone have any sugestions?
[06:35] <mgcross> bimber: but now it's giving me a broken pipe error...
[06:35] <mgcross> bimber: <sigh>
[06:35] <kevogod> My glxgears gives me 85.000 FPS
[06:36] <optilock> anyone use vmware and xp under linux ?
[06:36] <kevogod> although I have it synced
[06:36] <optilock> or rather ubuntu
[06:36] <Xorlev> kevogod: You don't have 3d acceleration then
[06:36] <kevogod> Xorlev: Yes, I do.
[06:36] <eklektik> cfk: did you manage to fix the problem?
[06:36] <paulproteus> kevogod: It's is synced, then that makes sense.
[06:36] <evilmegaman> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:36] <evilmegaman> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[06:36] <evilmegaman> Sorry
[06:37] <evilmegaman> I get that error when trying to run glxgears
[06:37] <Xorlev> kevogod: If you have above 500fps, you can run games.
[06:37] <kevogod> paulproteus: I know, that's why I said that.
[06:37] <kevogod> Xorlev: It is synced.
[06:37] <Xorlev> Ahh okay.
[06:37] <kevogod> It works. Trust me.
[06:37] <cfk> eklektik, bug buddy came up, I filled in the form, hit "send', it closed, the pannel went away for a bit, then restarted.  that was it
[06:37] <kevogod> heh
[06:37] <evilmegaman> ...
[06:37] <evilmegaman> Help?
[06:37] <evilmegaman> sorry for the "..."
[06:37] <paulproteus> evilmegaman: Tell us how you installed them.
[06:38] <evilmegaman> I do that. I installed them with synaptic
[06:38] <Carpe_Libertatem>  What do I need to get to enable DVD playback?
[06:38] <paulproteus> !dvd
[06:38] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[06:38] <kevogod> Carpe_Libertatem: To not live in the U.S.?
[06:38] <eklektik> cfk: you're lucky. I didn't get anything like that. Everything was working fine, I shut down, rebooted - next thing you know I can't access my applciations, places or system menus
[06:38] <paulproteus> !hoary-extras
[06:38] <ubotu> I guess hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:39] <da_bon_bon>  can hoary play theora outta box ?
[06:39] <dabaR> any suggestions on killing this process: dbernar1  6264  0.2  3.6  34964 17524 ?        D    23:32   0:01 /usr/bin/k3b ? I tried killall k3b.
[06:39] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: Yes.
[06:39] <Orborde> dabaR: sudo kill -9 6264
[06:39] <paulproteus> dabaR: killall -KILL k3b
[06:39] <evilmegaman> paulproteus, Do you have any ideas?
[06:40] <paulproteus> evilmegaman: I'm a frayed knot. :(
[06:40] <evilmegaman> oh... :(
[06:40] <kevogod> evilmegaman: What nVidia card do have?
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: so if all my moozic is ogg, and video theora, i dont need to run about for codecs and stuff ?
[06:40] <evilmegaman> 6200
[06:40] <dabaR> still alive.
[06:40] <dabaR> :)
[06:40] <eklektik> cfk: so does this mean I should reinstall everything?
[06:40] <mgcross> dpkg: error processing /home/mgcross/Desktop/gutenprint-5.0.0-beta4/gutenprint-5.0.0-beta4_beta4-1_i386.deb (--install):
[06:40] <mgcross>  trying to overwrite `/etc/cups/command.types', which is also in package cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[06:40] <mgcross> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:40] <mgcross> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:40] <mgcross>  /home/mgcross/Desktop/gutenprint-5.0.0-beta4/gutenprint-5.0.0-beta4_beta4-1_i386.deb
[06:40] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: Yes! :)
[06:40] <kevogod> Well, your music is technically Vorbis
[06:40] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: This is amazing.  No one's ever asked me a question like that before.
[06:40] <evilmegaman> BFG 6200 OC to be exact kevogod
[06:40] <mgcross> any clue what I need to do?
[06:40] <cfk> eklektik, no clue
[06:40] <paulproteus> kevogod: If it's in an Ogg container (even e.g. Ogg Flac), he should be fine.
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: did you choose to do that ? or go for non-free codecs install ?
[06:41] <kevogod> Ogg containers are confusing yet delightful!
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> yeah .. all theora vorbis is contained in ogg
[06:41] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: Me, I rip all my music in FLAC.
[06:41] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: I installed the non-free codecs just so I can watch some streaming web videos.
[06:41] <kevogod> I wish there was a good EAC alternative on Linux.
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: oh! lossless ... does it give HUGGEE file sizes ?
[06:41] <paulproteus> kevogod: cdparanoia is nearly as good. :|
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> kevogod: whats eac ?
[06:42] <kevogod> Exact Audio Copy
[06:42] <evilmegaman> exact audio copy
[06:42] <Xorlev> Carpe_Libertatem: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:42] <evilmegaman> darn my slow typing
[06:42] <deFrysk> Xorlev, thats an evil resource
[06:42] <kevogod> !ubuntuguide
[06:42] <cfk> anyone know what "connect to the internet using a modem" is for under User setup?
[06:42] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[06:42] <Carpe_Libertatem> I tried sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 and it didn't work.
[06:42] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: My other computer is an iBook G4 running Ubuntu, and there are no non-free codecs for powerpc.
[06:42] <Milk_> anyone have experiance with tv cards?
[06:42] <paulproteus> ubotu: tell Carpe_Libertatem about hoary-extras
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: oh.. thats the reason you choose flac ?
[06:43] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: No, I chose it for lossless.
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[06:43] <ilba7r> !powernowd
[06:43] <ubotu> ilba7r: Are you on ritalin?
[06:43] <ilba7r> !info powernowd
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> any other lossless alternatives ?
[06:43] <ubotu> powernowd: (control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.90-3ubuntu14 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
[06:43] <Xorlev> deFrysk: I rather liked it, didn't need it except for copy and pasting the sources, but eh.
[06:43] <evilmegaman> Anyone have any clue as to my problem? you guys keep forgetting about me. *points at kevin*
[06:43] <mgcross> dpkg: error processing /home/mgcross/Desktop/gutenprint-5.0.0-beta4/gutenprint-5.0.0-beta4_beta4-1_i386.deb (--install):
[06:43] <mgcross>  trying to overwrite `/etc/cups/command.types', which is also in package cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[06:43] <mgcross> what pakage do I need to remove to get this driver installed?
[06:43] <konra`> bob2: same problem
[06:43] <kevogod> evilmegaman: Unclock it.
[06:44] <Xorlev> evilmegaman: Being petulant won't help.
[06:44] <konra`> bob2: the username/password step is not working
[06:44] <ilba7r> !cpu frequency control
[06:44] <ubotu> Not a clue, ilba7r
[06:44] <konra`> bob2: and this CD HAS worked before
[06:44] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: FLAC is the best lossless there is.
[06:44] <kevogod> and I kid
[06:44] <evilmegaman> :P xorlev I just feel forgotten that's all
[06:44] <paulproteus> In the Free world, at least, and nearly overall.
[06:44] <eklektik> anywayz, thanks guys. looks like I have a whole reinstallation to do
[06:44] <deFrysk> Xorlev, if anyone has a prob after using ubuntuguide they usually have no clue what where or when they they have anything istalled/cofigured du to mindless copy/pasting
[06:44] <kevogod> Let me SSH into your box.
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: average file size of a 6 minute song ?
[06:45] <Xorlev> evilmegaman: Sometimes problems are out of our league. Mine was, but luckilly I fixed it.
[06:45] <Milk_> anyone have experiance with tv cards?
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> kevogod: can yo u point me to someplace for EAC ?
[06:45] <evilmegaman> Yeah..
[06:45] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: It compresses to about half of WAV.
[06:45] <r3dw0rm> anyone have a link to a howto for setting up bridging in ubuntu?
[06:45] <evilmegaman> kevogod, it came overclocked, Should I still unclock it?
[06:45] <konra`> why do you need such high quality :p
[06:45] <Xorlev> deFrysk: True, though I've used Linux for a while, and the package names helped when I forgot. I suppose hack and slash is the best way to steep yourself in Linux with a little prodding.
[06:45] <kevogod> da_bon_bon: http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ although I use an older version that contained some important features that were removed due the legal system.
[06:46] <konra`> oggs do most people
[06:46] <regeya> #I&^R*#Q@5r826582365236
[06:46] <kevogod> evilmegaman: I doubt that is your problem.
[06:46] <evilmegaman> oh
[06:46] <regeya> c'mon.
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> what important features, kevogod ?
[06:46] <deFrysk> Xorlev, ubuntu-people do not shate that philosophy so please do not refer to ubuntu-guide
[06:46] <deFrysk> sheare*
[06:46] <evilmegaman> hmmm I wonder What's wrong then..  any channels specific to nvidia? I have been an ATI user since my first days of linux
[06:46] <deFrysk> geez typo's
[06:47] <evilmegaman> so about 2 years :P
[06:47] <bob2> da_bon_bon: flac tends to save 40% or so off a .wav
[06:47] <kevogod> da_bon_bon: basically weakens the ability to guarantee "exact" copy although still good and better than cdparanoia
[06:47] <paulproteus> 26.3MB for a 4min15sec song here.
[06:47] <Yoh> Hi.
[06:47] <paulproteus> kevogod: As I understand, EAC and cdparanoia are equally good on most, not-very-scratched discs.
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: whoa! i am good with ogg
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> :)
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> *vorbis
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ok , bob2
[06:48] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: Eh, hard drives are cheap.  25 cents per gigabyte.
[06:48] <kevogod> paulproteus: cdparanoia mainly matches it if you don't use caching
[06:48] <bob2> kevogod: how is it better than cdparanoia?
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: not here...
[06:49] <kevogod> bob2: One sec
[06:49] <paulproteus> kevogod: What do you mean, "caching"?
[06:49] <bob2> I'd be very impressed if anyone outsmarted the xiph people
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: can i pm you ?
[06:49] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: I'd rather not, unless it's secret stuff we can't talk about here.
[06:50] <paulproteus> da_bon_bon: Or personal chit-chat, I guess.
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: lol..
[06:50] <pitti> Morning
[06:51] <konra`> bob2: finally got past that stage
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> kevogod: cant you use eac in wine ?
[06:52] <kevogod> one example: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=20&t=3164 -- I used to have more links to comparisons, but don't have them handy.
[06:52] <kevogod> da_bon_bon: That does make EAC a native program.
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> kevogod: but you cant use it
[06:53] <ukato> would removing packages be the easiest way to free up disk space
[06:53] <bob2> what on earth is "CDex"?
[06:53] <kevogod> Is it me or are we flipping our words around?
[06:53] <bob2> some sort of windows program based on cdparanoia?
[06:53] <La_PaRCa> um, any way I can get this gajim on hoary?
[06:53] <Xorlev> Gaim?
[06:53] <kevogod> box2: Open source program for Windows based on cdparanoia.
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> kevogod: no.. plainly, i want to ask, is it pretty usable on linux ? i am thinking of using it.
[06:54] <La_PaRCa> no, not Gaim, gajim
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ever heard of microsoft ?
[06:54] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what?
[06:54] <Xorlev> Search Synaptic?
[06:54] <kevogod> da_bon_bon: cdparanoia should work for you.
[06:54] <La_PaRCa> It's not there,
[06:54] <kevogod> it should work on the majority of CDs just as well as EAC
[06:54] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: What's up?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: are you soo out of sync with windows world that yo u dunno about cdex ?
[06:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> Powersurged.
[06:54] <bytefoo> is -march=pentium-m legitmate for apt-build.conf
[06:55] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I haven't run windows on a machine of mine is years
[06:55] <bob2> and I wouldn't entrust an important job like ripping + storing music to one
[06:55] <paulproteus> I wish the EAC dude would just Free his code.
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: that explains it :)
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: you dont ever feel need for windows ?
[06:56] <bob2> no
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> like to run certain software ?
[06:56] <kevogod> paulproteus: I do not understand... he does not profit from EAC does he?
[06:56] <ukato> if i didn't play games i wouldn't use windows i think.
[06:56] <bob2> all the games I care about are on linux, anyway
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> paulproteus: isnt it almost free ? i mean, who in hell was ever gonna send him a post card ?
[06:56] <ukato> what do you play bob2
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> bob2: which games ?
[06:56] <ilba7r> how can i check if the fans are working on my laptop under ubuntu?
[06:56] <kevogod> da_bon_bon: It is not Free free.
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> kevogod: ya, but usably free :D
[06:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I unmute my SB Audigy 2 Analog/Digital  line through terminal again?
[06:57] <bytefoo> ahh...gcc is 3.4 for hoary?>
[06:57] <bob2> quake3 and alpha centauri are al I really play often
[06:57] <bob2> bytefoo: the default, indeed
[06:57] <bytefoo> argh, i need 3.4 :(
[06:57] <kevogod> "For commercial use a special license is needed"
[06:57] <bob2> er, no, gcc 3.3 is the default
[06:57] <bytefoo> maybe backports
[06:58] <paulproteus> kevogod: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[06:58] <bytefoo> oh yah sorry, meant 3.3
[06:58] <bob2> bytefoo: what? 3.4 is in hoary.
[06:58] <bytefoo> what?
[06:58] <bill_c> Hi, I'm updating an xml file used for determining distro's, anyone mind PM'ing me the name and contents of your /etc/*-release file (stable and testing)?
[06:58] <paulproteus> kevogod: If here to Free it, it could be ported, and more could benefit from his work.  But he hoards his code, to the loss of others.
[06:58] <bob2> bytefoo: why do you want gcc 3.4, tho?
[06:58] <paulproteus> And to no benefit of his own, even.
[06:58] <bytefoo> apt says i have the latest but it shows as 3.3
[06:58] <bytefoo> because i can enable the pentium-m CFLAG
[06:58] <bytefoo> :X
[06:58] <kevogod> paulproteus: He gets postcards!
[06:58] <bob2> bytefoo: yes, of course, it's in the gcc-3.4 package
[06:58] <bob2> bytefoo: what are you compiling that you think that would help with?
[06:58] <kevogod> paulproteus: Shouldn't that be enough of a reward?
[06:58] <bob2> if it involves C++, you can't do it
[06:59] <bytefoo> ... :(
[06:59] <paulproteus> kevogod: I'm sure he'd get just as many postcards if more people used his software because it were GPL'd.
[06:59] <kevogod> joking aside, what an meanie
[06:59] <bob2> 14:58:53           bob2 | bytefoo: what are you compiling that you think that would help with?
[06:59] <kevogod> paulproteus: But then it would not be compatible with the GPL.
[06:59] <paulproteus> kevogod: He could *request* postcards. :)
[06:59] <bytefoo> an i686 kernel :|
[06:59] <bytefoo> or try to
[06:59] <kevogod> paulproteus: :-)
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> i am off guys.. cya
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> :)
[07:00] <Dritz> Any one here ever used the MySQL Migration script under Ubuntu?
[07:00] <bob2> bytefoo: and what do you think the advantage of that over a linux-686 kernel is?
[07:00] <paulproteus> Dritz: You mean, the post-install script for upgrading from one mysql to the other that happens as part of apt-get install mysql-server ?
[07:00] <bytefoo> faster?
[07:00] <bytefoo> or no. :X
[07:00] <kevogod> He should release it under a BSD-style license.
[07:00] <Dritz> no no, the MIgration Script is used to convert databases from Access, Oracle, MySQL, etc.
[07:01] <bob2> bytefoo: very unikely
[07:01] <bytefoo> ok, i must have misunderstood bob
[07:01] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I install a downloaded .deb file?
[07:01] <paulproteus> kevogod: I'd say GPL instead - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/x.html
[07:01] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[07:01] <bob2> but it's generally a bad idea
[07:02] <bob2> bytefoo: misunderstood what?
[07:02] <Yoh> ...
[07:02] <bytefoo> the effect of the CFLAG
[07:02] <ilba7r> how can i check if the fans are working on my laptop under ubuntu?
 bytefoo: misunderstood what?
[07:02] <bob2> Yoh: ?
[07:02] <Dritz> paulproteus: The script can be found at the MySQL AB site.  I need to get it working so I can stop using Windows..  As of now, I need Access for a college course.
[07:03] <bob2> bytefoo: CFLAG is just a common name for a variable in a makefile
[07:03] <paulproteus> Dritz: I have no experience with it.
[07:03] <Yoh> If he's banned, he shouldn't be able to /msg this channel.
[07:03] <bytefoo> yah
[07:03] <bytefoo> i'm not banned :-/
[07:03] <bob2> bytefoo: gcc options are what you're really talking about.  -m pentiumm or whatever is unlikely to actually make your kernel run any faster
[07:03] <bob2> Yoh: who is banned?
[07:03] <Dritz> thanks anyways
[07:03] <bytefoo> ok, thanks for the info
[07:03] <Yoh> bytefoo: You're the one who's making a spambot?
[07:03] <dabaR> heh
[07:03] <bytefoo> dude, what kind of crack are you smoking :|
[07:04] <dabaR> Yoh: ya, share...share...
[07:04] <Yoh> I don't smoke crack, grape vine does the same thing without so much money ;P
[07:04] <bob2> Yoh: what on earth are you talking about?
[07:04] <dabaR> ok, enough about me, lets talk about me...
[07:04] <bytefoo> lol X;
[07:04] <Yoh> Heh.
[07:04] <bytefoo> that was a global notice from the freenode opers :X
[07:04] <bob2> ok, enough rambling
[07:04] <Yoh> Oh.
[07:05] <Yoh> Why are the OPER's making a spambot?
[07:05] <Yoh> wait, sorry, I misread that...
[07:05] <paulproteus> Yoh: No, silly, there's a spambot attacking freenode users. :)
[07:05] <bob2> if you're having trouble understanding global notices, go to #freenode
[07:05] <bob2> if you're making a joke, please stop
[07:05] <Yoh> SOrry, I misread that
[07:06] <bytefoo> bob2, can i create a deb with dpkg without the source?
[07:06] <bytefoo> or is that not possible :X
[07:06] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone know how to install new skins for gkrellm
[07:06] <Yoh> ,users
[07:06] <bob2> sure it's possible
[07:06] <Yoh> .users
[07:06] <bob2> Yoh: stop it
[07:06] <Yoh> okay
[07:06] <bob2> bytefoo: why would you want to?
[07:07] <bytefoo> well there is a biotech suite i would like to install, but i can't locate the source
[07:07] <black_13> does the 2.6 have compressed modules
[07:07] <bob2> you could construct a .deb out of it
[07:07] <bob2> but there's probably no point; just install it to /usr/local/whatever
[07:07] <bytefoo> ahh ok
[07:08] <bytefoo> i thought maybe if i made the deb i could share it through a repository
[07:08] <bytefoo> but, no matter :D
[07:08] <bob2> do you actually have permission to distribute it?
[07:08] <bob2> if so, you could; you can put anything in a .deb
[07:08] <bytefoo> yeah
[07:09] <bytefoo> i will think about it
[07:09] <bytefoo> thanks for your help :D
[07:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> Thanks to those who helped, got DVD playback working.
[07:10] <No1Viking> umode +CE
[07:10] <benplaut> stupid f*ing network printer
[07:10] <holycow> wow
[07:11] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: Glad to hear it.
[07:11] <holycow> epiphany browser handles large numbers of tabs incredibly well
[07:11] <paulproteus> holycow: Oh, really?
[07:11] <paulproteus> Firefox scales fairly poorly to my 40+ tabs.
[07:11] <bur[n] er> too bad epiphany doesn't do adblock
[07:11] <holycow> paulproteus, thats what i noticed too
[07:11] <rob^> heh so I have heard paulproteus
[07:11] <holycow> bur[n] er, indeed and flashblock
[07:11] <deFrysk> 40+tabs ? what are you doing ?
[07:11] <bill_c> I do 40+ tabs in firefox, but I also have 1.2gigs of ram
[07:12] <holycow> paulproteus, i just opened up 200 tabs, most of them with flash on it
[07:12] <holycow> my design folder
[07:12] <paulproteus> holycow: holy cow! :)
[07:12] <deFrysk> 200 tabs ?
[07:12] <benplaut> Ready: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[07:12] <deFrysk> geez
[07:12] <bur[n] er> firefox is just a ram slut
[07:12] <benplaut> what's that supposed to mean!?
[07:12] <bob2> language, please
[07:12] <holycow> deFrysk, yeah just a portion of one folder
[07:12] <bob2> benplaut: presumably it didn't like he way you logged in
[07:12] <holycow> 268.4 mb vm size
[07:13] <holycow> 300 ... oh its still opening up the tabs in background
[07:13] <holycow> lets see where it finishes off
[07:13] <benplaut> bob2: what login am i supposed to use? the admin login on the host computer?
[07:13] <Madpilot> holycow: what *are* you doing? 300 tabs?
[07:14] <holycow> Madpilot, browsing a folder quickly, you open up a bunch of links in tabs and cycle through with ctrl/w ... i just wanted to see how epiphany handles a large load, ff dies at about 40 or 50
[07:15] <holycow> although your question gave me an idea for a new extension
[07:15] <holycow> >_>
[07:15] <deFrysk> dont we have filemanagers for that ?
[07:15] <bob2> benplaut: whatever login you'd use to access i locally
[07:15] <benplaut> well, that's a change
[07:15] <benplaut> Ready: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...DEBUG: 1 %Trailer
[07:15] <evilmegaman> Hi, How do I get kernel source for my kernel?
[07:15] <benplaut> bob2: k...
[07:15] <holycow> 530 mb
[07:15] <evilmegaman> I can only get it for the 2.4 kernel
[07:15] <Madpilot> holycow: what sort of extension?
[07:16] <holycow> Madpilot, play through bookmarks, with forward, back, pause, play icons.  perhaps some sort of setting to check off which folders you want to play through
[07:16] <benplaut> eh, i'm not dealing with this right now
[07:17] <evilmegaman> anyone have any ideas how to get the 2.6 kernel-source?
[07:17] <Madpilot> holycow: interesting - I'd have to see a demo before I really grokked that idea, I think (besides, I use Opera myself...)
[07:17] <bob2> evilmegaman: apt-cache search linux-source-2.6
[07:17] <dabaR> bob2: whats the package for the debian menu in gnome-panel?
[07:17] <evilmegaman> Ok thank you
[07:17] <tritium> evilmegaman, install linux-source-2.6.10
[07:18] <black_13> when attempt modprobe isofs i get "Using /lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/lib/zlib_inflate/zlib_inflate.ko .. insmod: cannot insert '/lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/lib/zlib_inflate/zlib_inflate.ko': Invalide module format (-1): Exec format error ...
[07:18] <evilmegaman> Thank you tritium
[07:18] <holycow> dabaR, there isn't one, that was remove from the applications applet source code
[07:18] <bob2> dabaR: menu, afaik
[07:18] <bob2> black_13: that's your problem, 2.6.12.5 was a kernel yo ucompiled yourself
[07:19] <dabaR> right, menu, I think I uninstalled, and yet its still there, Ill dbl check, but, I can use smeg, if that fails...
[07:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the program for DVD ripping to apt-get?
[07:19] <black_13> bob2 any ideas
[07:19] <vader1102> how do I upgrade to Hoary without the disk?
[07:19] <bob2> black_13: don't compile your own kernel
[07:19] <ukato> is there a limit to how large samba shares can be?
[07:19] <bob2> or, if you do, do it properly so your modules match
[07:19] <bob2> vader1102: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:20] <black_13> bob2 how so?
[07:20] <black_13> properly match
[07:20] <bob2> how so what?
[07:20] <bob2> just don't do it is the simplest solution
[07:21] <black_13> unfortunely i need things that a stock kernel doesnt have
[07:21] <holycow> such as?
[07:21] <deFrysk> like ?
[07:21] <mgcross> hehe need to specify --with-cups
[07:21] <bob2> black_13: e.g.?
[07:21] <black_13> squashfs
[07:22] <b00t_f4il> need some help with my ubuntu
[07:22] <b00t_f4il> anyone can help me
[07:22] <paulproteus> !asktoask
[07:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, asktoask is We'll never know what your question is unless you ask it.  Don't ask if you can ask; don't ask if we can answer a question - ask a question!
[07:23] <b00t_f4il> !asktoask
[07:23] <ubotu> it has been said that asktoask is We'll never know what your question is unless you ask it.  Don't ask if you can ask; don't ask if we can answer a question - ask a question!
[07:23] <b00t_f4il> how to play mp3 music in ubuntu
[07:24] <b00t_f4il> how to play mp3 music in ubuntu?
[07:24] <Madpilot> !mp3
[07:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:24] <bimberi> !mp3
[07:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> !dvdrip
[07:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Carpe_Libertatem
[07:24] <black_13> look up music players on freshmeat
[07:24] <bob2> b00t_f4il: that is in the FAQ
[07:24] <black_13> the build them
[07:24] <black_13> or build one
[07:24] <Madpilot> black_13: not good advice for newbies...
[07:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I get a DVD ripper?
[07:25] <deFrysk> ! mp3
[07:25] <paulproteus> Carpe_Libertatem: I've heard people like dvd::rip, which I hear is even packaged.
[07:25] <ubotu> [mp3]  read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:25] <black_13> well he need top pop his cherry
[07:25] <b00t_f4il> how to build an mp3 player
[07:25] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: apt-cache search dvd rip
[07:25] <holycow> 1.1gb vm for epiphany so far
[07:25] <holycow> wow
[07:25] <bob2> b00t_f4il: you don't
[07:25] <Madpilot> !tell b00t_f4il about mp3
[07:25] <black_13> that is a bigger problem
[07:25] <bob2> b00t_f4il: read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:26] <b00t_f4il> tq
[07:26] <bob2> tho you were told that 3 times earlier
[07:26] <bob2> it does pay to read closely what people are saying to you
[07:26] <deFrysk> saying = flooding
[07:28] <regeya> so don't say anything?
[07:28] <holycow> okay, so 200 bookmarks in epiphany results in 1.1 gb vm taken up, cpu load goes up or down depending on page
[07:28] <paulproteus> holycow: tabs?
[07:28] <regeya> lol
[07:28] <holycow> sluggish on a 2.4 ghz cpu, but very doable
[07:28] <holycow> sweet :)
[07:31] <i58> Anyone know if the kernel-patch-uml package actually performs the patch or not?
[07:31] <paulproteus> i58: It installs the patch.  You can apply it yourself.
[07:31] <paulproteus> i58: You must recompile your kernel to build the patch into the kernel.
[07:32] <i58> cool, thanks
[07:33] <r0bby> what is the point in spambots anyways?
[07:33] <r0bby> aside from "look mommy i can write a bot in VB!!!!!!!!!!"
[07:34] <i58> r0bby, "look mommy, I can annoy other people more than I annoy you!!!"
[07:34] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a site that details what's new in Breezy?
[07:35] <simplydazed> anybody have Fluxbox problems upon a fresh Hoary installation?
[07:35] <r0bby> i use breezy
[07:35] <Burgundavia> Carpe_Libertatem, wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft
[07:35] <Burgundavia> Carpe_Libertatem, the beginning of the Breezy new tour
[07:36] <r0bby> whoa everything on my breezy system is up to date
[07:36] <black_13> bob2 you had said something about module dependecies
[07:38] <strav> you've probably seen that question a hundred of times. I'm trying to configure adsl on ubuntu, and read that I should add an interface to gnome so it can take username and passwords and.., recognize the pppoe protocol. Well For that I need to modify the pppoe-rx file that's to be found athttp://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/rp-pppoe-3.5.tar.gz ... The point here is that I'm not connected $@#%$ how the hell should I get that file?
[07:39] <strav> (whereis RP-PPPoE.desktop give me no result, neither the gnome file search)
[07:39] <strav> so it ain't on my filesystem
[07:42] <kemik> strav:  "wget http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/rp-pppoe-3.5.tar.gz" in a terminal
[07:44] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know the name of that really minimalistic looking terminal, doesnt have a File menu at the top, its just a box basically.
[07:44] <hyphenated> xterm
[07:44] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: you can turn the menu off on the default terminal in Ubuntu
[07:45] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ah, so you can.
[07:46] <strav> Kemik... the point is: I'm not connected under ubuntu. No connection at all.
[07:53] <aru> is the adobe reader better than xpdf?
[07:54] <bill_c> aru: imho yes, well version 7 is
[07:54] <paulproteus> aru: Yes.  KPDF and Adobe reader - there's a tight match.
[07:54] <paulproteus> aru: Or Evince.
[07:54] <paulproteus> XPDF generally sucks. ;)
[07:54] <evilmegaman> why is there no 2.6 kernel source when I apt-cache search?
[07:54] <evilmegaman> I search for kernel-source
[07:55] <bimberi> evilmegaman: try linux-source
[07:55] <evilmegaman> ok thanks
[07:55] <bimberi> yw
[07:55] <evilmegaman> found it :) thanks
[07:59] <ukato> if i was going to watch a DVD, but i only had the .iso
[07:59] <ukato> what would i use to play it
[07:59] <kemik> ukato:  mplayer/vlc.. or mount it
[07:59] <|-> can someone tell me why my sound is not working?
[07:59] <kemik> mount -o loop isofile.iso /mountpoint
[07:59] <ukato> is mounting a better idea
[08:00] <kemik> doesnt matter
[08:00] <ukato> alright, thanks
[08:00] <NoUse> !sound
[08:00] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[08:01] <|-> how do i find out what process is using /dev/dsp?
[08:01] <NoUse> |- sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp
[08:02] <|-> skalpel@emachine:~$ sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp
[08:02] <|-> Password:
[08:02] <|-> skalpel@emachine:~$ esd&
[08:02] <|-> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[08:02] <rob^> umm I changed my hostname, rebooted now all my GNOME window borders are the wrong colours. Anyone know why?
[08:04] <woodwizzle> Anyway to turn off or "minimize" the visualizer in totem, just for one session?
[08:05] <woodwizzle> like the opposite of the H hotkey
[08:07] <rob^> k sorry
[08:07] <rob^> so does anyone know what can cause this?
[08:08] <benplaut> where are th help files for OO.org2 stored?
[08:10] <cafuego> openoffice.org2-help ?
[08:10] <benplaut> no, the folder/file
[08:10] <cafuego> benplaut: yeah, dpkg -L <helpfilepackage>
[08:10] <benplaut> the internal help browser is borked
[08:11] <benplaut> oh
[08:11] <cafuego> see if that works, if there is a special package for the help.
[08:11] <benplaut> not in the repos
[08:11] <benplaut> damn
[08:11] <cafuego> If not, try 'dpkg -L openoffice.org2-writr | grep html'
[08:11] <cafuego> *writer
[08:12] <cafuego> I assume the helpfiles are html format
[08:12] <benplaut> probably XML
[08:16] <benplaut> emacs is so f*ing confusing
[08:16] <benplaut> i know i should learn it, but...
[08:17] <benplaut> leafpad is the rox0rs :)
[08:19] <NoUse> http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:19] <evilmegaman> Hi, I can't get a kernel-source for my kernel :(
[08:19] <NoUse> oops, sorry
[08:20] <evilmegaman> my kernel is 2.6.10-5 but the only kernel source is 2.6.10-34
[08:20] <evilmegaman> What the hell should I do?
[08:20] <cafuego> evilmegaman: compile with --append-to-version=-5
[08:20] <cafuego> evilmegaman: 2.6.10-34 is the correct source
[08:20] <evilmegaman> ?
[08:20] <evilmegaman> Umm I need to install the nvidia drivers
[08:20] <cafuego> evilmegaman: What are you trying to compile?
[08:21] <evilmegaman> the nvidia drivers from the repos didn't work
[08:21] <evilmegaman> So I am doing it manually
[08:21] <black_13> what is the relation ship between the 2.5 kernel and the 2.6 kernel
[08:21] <cafuego> evilmegaman: Didn't work how?
[08:21] <cafuego> benplaut: 2.5 was the unstable development tree that led to 2.6
[08:21] <evilmegaman> anything that had to do with glx was screwed up
[08:22] <cafuego> What card do you have?
[08:22] <benplaut> black_13, read what cafuego said
[08:22] <evilmegaman> geforce 6200
[08:22] <cafuego> benplaut: indeed
[08:22] <evilmegaman> AGP
[08:22] <benplaut> watch your tabbing :P
[08:22] <cafuego> evilmegaman: So X started fine, 3D just didn't work?
[08:22] <evilmegaman> right
[08:22] <black_13> benplaut yeah
[08:22] <evilmegaman> neither did glxinfo
[08:23] <evilmegaman> Nor glxgears
[08:23] <black_13> sorry did i miss something
[08:23] <evilmegaman> They all were screwed up
[08:23] <cafuego> evilmegaman: Did they display an error?
[08:23] <Chousuke> argh, so you've started redirecting unregged people from #ubuntu? :P
[08:23] <cafuego> Chousuke: Yes, blame the spammers.
[08:23] <evilmegaman> Yeah lots of 0.0
[08:23] <Chousuke> I HATE nickservers :(
[08:23] <evilmegaman> but it works now
[08:23] <evilmegaman> Because I uninstalled those drivers
[08:24] <Chousuke> I also hate registering just about as much as spammers
[08:24] <cafuego> Chousuke: Well, feel free to not register
[08:24] <Chousuke> cafuego: indeed
[08:24] <evilmegaman> Cafuego, any ideas on getting nvidia drivers installed with mismatching numbers
[08:25] <cafuego> evilmegaman: You need to compile the glx driver and the kernel driver.
[08:25] <evilmegaman> oh
[08:25] <evilmegaman> yeah
[08:25] <evilmegaman> And I need kernel sources
[08:25] <cafuego> that way the versions will match again.
[08:25] <evilmegaman> Oh
[08:25] <cafuego> evilmegaman: Yes, 2.6.10-34
[08:25] <evilmegaman> How do I do that
[08:25] <black_13> cafuego i am looking at the mkinitrd script and refers 2.5 kernel module drives i am curious if this would owrk the same for 2.6 module kernels
[08:26] <Madpilot> bbl
[08:27] <cafuego> black_13: WHich mkinitrd script?
[08:28] <black_13> cafuego goot question i did apt-get install mkinitrd
[08:29] <cafuego> black_13: Yeah, module handling was changed in 2.5; it checks for greater then or smaller then 2.5. 2.6 will be fine.
[08:29] <black_13> cafuego cool thanks
[08:30] <black_13> does the 2.6 support compressed modules?
[08:30] <black_13> 2.6 kernel
[08:31] <cafuego> black_13: No, but you can use a compressed initrd.
[08:31] <black_13> are there more than one tool(s) that can be used to make an initial ram disk under ubuntu
[08:32] <cafuego> Yes. I find that with a properly configured self-compiled kernel, they're all useless ;-)
[08:33] <black_13> cafuego on desktop yes but this is for live cd
[08:33] <cafuego> There should be enough space on a cd to not have to bother compressing them, surely.
[08:33] <black_13> the kernel modules?
[08:33] <Madpilot> just got spammed, but I get "UMODE unknown command" when I try the /umode +CE suggested in the /topic - what's the trick?
[08:34] <cafuego> Madpilot: /mode Madpilot +CE
[08:34] <cafuego> black_13: yah
[08:34] <bimberi> Madpilot: case sensitive?
[08:34] <Madpilot> cafuego: thanks - someone might want to edit the topic to say "/umode <your-nick> +CE" or something similar
[08:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Dunno if they might... they're fickle, here ;-)
[08:35] <black_13> cafuego i ask about this becuase i wrote a script that built an intial ram disk when i attemtped to do modprobe isofs it gave an error about neededde zlib_inflater.ko
[08:36] <cafuego> black_13: Then iso9660 depends on zlib; I'm sure the modules aren't stored on disk in compressed form.
[08:36] <cafuego> or are you running ziso9660?
[08:38] <black_13> cafuego could the issue be a screw up depmod file
[08:39] <black_13> cafuego again thats so much about this i asked this question early and i get beaten up badly about being a heretic and i didnt belong here and mother and father were related ...
[08:39] <Madpilot> so does the +C in umode prevent *all* /msg attempts to me? (reading freenode's help pages right now, and it's not quite clear...)
[08:40] <alindeman> +C is just for CTCP
[08:40] <alindeman> +E is no messages for unregistered nicks
[08:40] <alindeman> You'll still be able to get messages from people identified to NickServ
[08:40] <Madpilot> what's CTCP? (that's used but not explained in the help pages....)
[08:41] <bimberi> client to client protocol
[08:41] <bimberi> that is, /msg direct to your IP, not via a server
[08:42] <claint> is breezy usable nowadays?
[08:42] <Madpilot> bimberi: thanks - the freenode help pages could do with a bit of work...
[08:43] <hyphenated> claint: the message about it probably just doesn't fit into the topic :-)
[08:43] <bimberi> Madpilot: yvw :)
[08:43] <alienacion> hi all
[08:43] <alienacion> how can i edit history list in command line applet?
[08:43] <claint> hyphenated : i am asking if it is stable enough to use.
[08:45] <mypapit> claint, it isnt stable until it's released..
[08:45] <claint> mypapit : are you using it?
[08:46] <mypapit> claint, no.. but if you want to use it and be "stable" at the same time... i suggest you use the backports repo
[08:46] <punkass> is there a way to make kde apps look more gtkish.. i only have Kate installed and would like to change the icons and font size
[08:48] <claint> mypapit : currently i am using hoary with backports allready.
[08:49] <mypapit> claint, there lots of unfinished things in breezy... the installer, the desktop ui.. if you can live with it
[08:49] <heatxsink> anyone in here running a Dell D810 Latitude running Ubuntu?
[08:50] <claint> mypapit : ah, gotcha. thanks for the info.
[08:51] <mypapit> claint, use colony :D
[08:51] <Madpilot> heatxsink: that's a laptop?
[08:52] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  yes
[08:53] <heatxsink> I've googled it up and found a couple of people
[08:53] <heatxsink> I just dont know if they'll answer my email
[08:55] <Madpilot> heatxsink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - have a look here, someone may even have the same model of laptop
[08:56] <heatxsink> thanks
[08:57] <meta> ok need some help here, ubuntu installed 5.04 on top of fedora on a sata disk with "erase entire disk" option... now stalls at grub on boot
[08:57] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  not in there
[08:57] <heatxsink> doh
[08:57] <wojciechg> Hi everyone. I'm trying to install Ubuntu onto an external hard drive, and I get an error when when installing -- "An error occurred while mounting the device you entered for your root file system () on /target".. I'm new, so I apologize -- does anyone know what I should do?
[08:58] <aftertaf> !usb drive
[08:58] <ubotu> aftertaf: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:58] <aftertaf> :)
[08:58] <meta> !grub
[08:58] <ubotu> hmm... grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:59] <wojciechg> aftertaf -- sorry :) that's over my head, :P
[08:59] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  is there a how to on getting the fglrx driver going?
[08:59] <Madpilot> !ati
[08:59] <ubotu> I guess ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:59] <Madpilot> heatxsink: that one ^^^
[08:59] <aftertaf> wojciechg, what type of drive is it? ubs or ieee
[08:59] <heatxsink> cool
[09:00] <Madpilot> heatxsink: there is one Latitude D800 in the Community Supplied section - probably not similar enough to help, though...
[09:01] <meta> wojciechg, I suspect as the HDD isn't mounted, you should go into console mode and try to mount it before starting the boot/install process, or there may be an option on the install/boot options to add extra drive info in
[09:01] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  it might be
[09:01] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  you have a URL?
[09:01] <mindspin> hi, anyone here experienced in customizing access to applications? (on kubuntu)
[09:02] <aftertaf> i meant usb.. :)
[09:02] <aftertaf> !usb
[09:02] <ubotu> No idea, aftertaf
[09:03] <wojciechg> aftertaf - fair enough :) I wasn't sure if that was a  typo, but I didn't want to assume :)
[09:03] <Madpilot> heatxsink: same URL as I gave you earlier, just scroll down further
[09:03] <wojciechg> meta - yes, I get the message because the installer fails to mount the HDD. Not sure how I can do it manually without the installer.
[09:06] <Fr0Gs> Does ubuntu Breezy Badger have new ATI drivers?
[09:07] <woodwizzle> every once in a while my nautilus make my CPU goto 100%, and freezes. I can still kill it, but it starts right back up and does the same thing again
[09:07] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  Have you ever tried to play a DVD from a SATA Dvd player?
[09:09] <VVeIrD> oii..
[09:09] <VVeIrD> can anyone tell me how to upgrade freetype?
[09:09] <Madpilot> heatxsink: no, my DVD drive is still ATA
[09:10] <VVeIrD> i just happen to compile it and install (over? my old version)
[09:10] <VVeIrD> seems to use the old version
[09:10] <VVeIrD> stil
[09:10] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  I tried searching the wiki, can you think of anywhere else I could look to get this thing working right?
[09:10] <NoUse> Fr0Gs check http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <heatxsink> it burns CDs and stuff with no problem
[09:10] <heatxsink> reads them obviously too
[09:11] <VVeIrD> only package to get is .7
[09:11] <VVeIrD> need version >= .8
[09:11] <VVeIrD> and current stable is .10
[09:12] <benplaut> VVeIrD, do "sudo make checkinstall" instead of "sudo make install", so it'll be easier to downgrade should something g wrong
[09:12] <Madpilot> heatxsink: google?
[09:12] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  been doing that
[09:12] <VVeIrD> hmmm??
[09:13] <VVeIrD> nothing went wrong..
[09:13] <VVeIrD> just doesnt seem to use new version
[09:14] <EvanCarroll> How does ubuntu handle utf8, if i remove the indic fonts, will utf8 indian scripts still apear or do utf-8 codepoints map to their own fontset
[09:14] <VVeIrD> and btw: make: *** No rule to make target `checkinstall'.  Stop.
[09:15] <benplaut> try restarting X
[09:15] <Madpilot> EvanCarroll: I removed all those fonts, and Opera still displays stuff fine (I never use FF, so no idea there) Opera at least must ship with it's own fonts embedded.
[09:16] <VVeIrD> benplaut: even restartet system.. nothing happened
[09:19] <aftertaf> stupid n00b stuff i know, but do i just need to add umask=000 to the options par of my fstab to let normal users have r/w access on fat partitions?
[09:20] <omaru> Hi, Does anyone knows how to change the charset from UTF-8 to ISO8859-1 ?
[09:20] <aftertaf> or should i also set rights on the /mnt/zindope partition?
[09:20] <aftertaf> omaru, dpkg-reconfigure locales, and change default... not the best wayi guess, but i know how to that way ;)
[09:21] <omaru> nice I'll try that aftertaf  :)!
[09:21] <ElvenProgrammer> i used this one and get into the console, now how to get back to installation? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD?highlight=%28install%29
[09:21] <zyga> hello
[09:22] <zyga> how to make sure that qt appliactions have identical font size as gtk applications?
[09:23] <aftertaf> ElvenProgrammer, alt + F7 ??
[09:23] <zyga> setting things in kcontrol does not help
[09:23] <ElvenProgrammer> aftertaf: it didn't work :/
[09:25] <strav> he there, I just configured pppoe under ubuntu, first by compiling a little pppoe software that provide a custom interface for that protocol, and then, I manually checked the files it modified to ensure the information was correct. Actually, I can connect to the internet. both, the little interface and adsl-status are positive on that. Even tough, impossible to get any feed back from the net, even if I turn the firewall option to none...
[09:25] <strav> if someone have a clue, it would be much appreciated.
[09:26] <aftertaf> ElvenProgrammer, didn't it say what to type to get back?  try Alt + F1-9
[09:27] <ElvenProgrammer> oh alt f1 did the trick thx a lot
[09:27] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:29] <aftertaf> !mount
[09:29] <ubotu> mount is, like, the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[09:29] <Fr0Gs> Does ubuntu breezy 5.10 have new ATI drivers?
[09:29] <aftertaf> !windowsdrives
[09:29] <ubotu> windowsdrives is probably Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:30] <strav> aftertaf... never tried to configure pppoe on ubuntu?
[09:31] <aftertaf> lol....
[09:31] <aftertaf> how'd i end up looking like i know something here ??? :)
[09:31] <strav> well coz you're the only one that appear to actually BE HERE.
[09:31] <aftertaf> strav, i've got a speedtouch usb and have rer since i relied on a script ever since i discovered it.....
[09:31] <aftertaf> :)
[09:31] <aftertaf> loooool
[09:32] <aftertaf> what type of modem do you have?
[09:32] <strav> same speedstream, bell sympatico shit if you know that.
[09:33] <benplaut> say... how do i turn off the little clipit clone in OO.org2?
[09:33] <Carpe_Libertatem> For some reason I cant get mms://beloint.wm.llnwd.net/beloint_wwltv to play in Mplayer.
[09:34] <hyphenated> benplaut: you might be better off asking in #openoffice.org
[09:34] <benplaut> k
[09:34] <aftertaf> speedstream?? wazzat?
[09:34] <ElvenProgrammer> aftertaf: is it possible to install ubuntu using the network?
[09:36] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can someone try to play mms://beloint.wm.llnwd.net/beloint_wwltv in Mplayer and see if it works?
[09:36] <aftertaf> there is a net installer....
[09:37] <aftertaf> you mean have a base system from cd then update via the net??
[09:37] <strav> you see, aftertaf, this is the first time I played with linux, this morning: installed fedora, witch inserted crap in fastab at the swap partition labal, had to correct that plus disabling ipv6 to get a decent dns lookup, then I said to myself, this shit is full of bugs and it's gnome release was too heavy for my little frame... So I decided to switch to ubuntu, that at first didn't supported adsl connection and for witch I had to manually
[09:37] <ElvenProgrammer> aftertaf: yup
[09:37] <baffle> Carpe_Libertatem: No, 550 Internal Server Error
[09:37] <baffle> Carpe_Libertatem: 500 I mean.
[09:38] <strav> configure every funckin file related to pppoe...  I might say from this experience: there's seems to be a bug on everycorner on linux and I'm seriously getting pissed.
[09:38] <aftertaf> chill 5..... and start again with ubuntu.
[09:38] <aftertaf> it is seriously the easiest one i've seen and most stable too.....
[09:39] <aftertaf> but i've been trying to leareak) debian for 2 years now, so ive picked up a couple of things... :)n (and succeeding to br
[09:39] <aftertaf> ElvenProgrammer, yep it is possible...
[09:39] <strav> well fedora was quite stable to... still, how can you explain that my damn connection is up and running and that it won't communicate with any hosts at all?
[09:40] <MorphDK> Hey.. What's the name of the nice printer manager that comes with Ubuntu?
[09:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> Fedora really messed up my partitions.
[09:40] <aftertaf> check the options when you 'rolling.re boup the LAN and youot from cd, then go 'expert' i think... if your network has a net connection, set
[09:40] <ElvenProgrammer> aftertaf: nice, mind giving me a link pleeeease ;)
[09:40] <MorphDK> The one where you can add and delete printers..
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[09:40] <benplaut> nope
[09:40] <aftertaf> cups?
[09:40] <MorphDK> aftertaf: no that's just thr printer system, right?
[09:41] <aftertaf> addendum: but i've been trying to learn (and succeeding to break) debian for 2 years now, so ive picked up a couple of things... :)
[09:41] <MorphDK> What I'm talking about is the GUI for adding and removing printers..
[09:41] <strav> well how could people from ubuntu could have been morons enough to not include adsl support in their release?
[09:41] <Madpilot> MorphDK: you mean the manager at System Menu - Admin -Printers?
[09:41] <MorphDK> Madpilot: exactly :)
[09:41] <aftertaf> they have, sort of.... but it all depends on the modems afterward.
[09:41] <aftertaf> what is the actual model of your modem?
[09:42] <Madpilot> MorphDK: if you print from the GIMP at all, be warned that it does its own printer setup
[09:42] <aftertaf> cos the kernel is all setup to enable adsl (hdlc support etc etc etc)
[09:42] <strav> If you can point me where, in gnome, are the fields where I can enter my username and password for my connection (disregarding my modem), I'll gladly listen.
[09:42] <MorphDK> Madpilot: Are we talking the same language? I just want to know what the name of the "System -> Admin -> Printers" application os, so I can get it on my Arch too..
[09:43] <MorphDK> :)
[09:43] <MorphDK> s/os/is
[09:43] <nfsv4> i love how easily you can add printers on ubuntu
[09:43] <Madpilot> MorphDK: ah, no idea, sorry
[09:44] <strav> well, this is the least if the kernel can handle adsl, but man, you don't publish a distribution say, well you can compile it up yourself, if ya want.
[09:44] <MorphDK> nfsv4: me too, that's why I want it in Arch linux too :)
[09:45] <strav> so no one here have a clue about this pppoe thing?
[09:46] <strav> the docs suggested that it could be a masquerade missconfiguration... don't know the first thing about masquerades.
[09:47] <rob^> its not hard to compile it yourself
[09:48] <yahalom> strav: whats ur problem?
[09:48] <yahalom> strav: u have adsl and not working?
[09:49] <rob^> in fact you don't even have to compile it..
[09:49] <yahalom> now with modem routers all these issues will be gone :)
[09:49] <strav> yahalom...
[09:49] <rob^> and if you use an ethernet modem, it should just work with minimal configuration
[09:49] <strav> sorray, was reading through the forums.
[09:49] <aftertaf> the kernel is setup for adsl capability
[09:50] <rob^> I don't see the problem
[09:50] <strav> My connection, so says adsl-status, some pings and rp-pppoe tool, is up and running, tough I cannot connect to any hosts at all.
[09:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is Breezy worth trying?
[09:50] <aftertaf> and you have an ethernet modem? dns maybe?
[09:51] <thespiritoftal> I connected to a server using ssh and I have to upload some files to that server... how can i do that?
[09:51] <yahalom> strav: forget rp-pppoe toold, use pppoeconf
[09:51] <rob^> I'd say dns
[09:51] <yahalom> strav: much simpler, and better.
[09:51] <aftertaf> rob^, me too...
[09:52] <yahalom> strav: if u dont have any sites coming up try editing /etc/resolv.conf
[09:52] <yahalom> strav enter the following nameserver 4.2.2.1
[09:52] <yahalom> next line
[09:52] <yahalom> nameserver 4.2.2.3
[09:52] <yahalom> or 4.2.2.2
[09:52] <strav> well I went trough the files rp-pppoe modified and they all seems ok. As I told you, the authentification is made and there are packets sent and apparently received, tough, impossible to connect to whatever else than my isp.
[09:52] <yahalom> then tye again
[09:53] <strav> (went trough resolv.conf as well)
[09:53] <yahalom> or if u want simpler, just go to gnome, preferences i think, network, ethernet properties , then dns and edit 4.2.2.1
[09:53] <aftertaf> seems you can't resolve host to IP.
[09:54] <salkin> Madpilot: if you see morphdk again the program is called gnome-cups-manager
[09:54] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:54] <Madpilot> salkin: ah, OK. did he leave just now? (I just had to restart IRC...)
[09:54] <strav> I'll check that. (gotta boot so I'll be back in a few) thanks.
[09:54] <aftertaf> knew there was a cup in there somewwherhe :)
[09:55] <salkin> Madpilot: yes, he left. I saw the question in scrollback, too late.
[09:55] <aftertaf> good luck strav and don't worry, you'll sort it!
[09:55] <strav> yahalom: one thing, must I replace my actual name server by those lines you just gave or simply add them?
[09:57] <strav> I'll play a little with that anyways. So long.
[09:57] <yahalom> strav: simply add them
[09:57] <guruff> hello :) i woule like to synchronize palm, how to do it? and which client use (under windows app. is called palm-desktop)
[09:58] <yahalom> strav: realise ur isp will probably change them every so often, so also download apt-get install resolvconf...this will keep them. it looks for all dns available. once u download it do man resolvconf some stuff u need to know, like link some stuff for it to work.
[09:59] <Madpilot> guruff: gnome-pilot - which seems to be installed by default in Ubuntu
[10:00] <guruff> Madpilot: thankz
[10:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I switch between keyboard layouts?
[10:01] <xophEr> Is there a way to get 'fade out' in xscreensaver to work in ubuntu? The option is faded out in my settings for some reason.. in Debian this worked fine.
[10:03] <ilba7r> !flgrx
[10:03] <ilba7r> !ATI
[10:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ilba7r
[10:04] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the apt-get package for Java?
[10:09] <Madpilot> !java
[10:09] <ubotu> I heard java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:09] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: see above ^^^
[10:09] <moZer> is breezy badger being continuosly updated, ilke unstable or rawhide?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> moZer, no
[10:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> Phew, that was easy.
[10:10] <moZer> Burgundavia:  snapshot releases?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> moZer, breezy badger will release in Oct 2005. Shortly thereafter, the new version of Ubuntu will begin development
[10:11] <Burgundavia> moZer, there are plans for a rolling unstable, but nothing concrete yet
[10:12] <moZer> yes, but there's a breezy/ dir on the mirrors right now, too
[10:12] <Burgundavia> moZer, breezy is the current development
[10:12] <salkin> moZer: that's the dev build - welcome to the beta test. Not that its so bad, I use it.
[10:13] <moZer> heh...that's what i originally asked about
[10:13] <Burgundavia> moZer, but breezy is more like testing than unstable
[10:13] <moZer> ok, but it's still the rolling development version
[10:14] <salkin> moZer: so it is. :) I wasn't looking at the time.
[10:14] <Burgundavia> moZer, no, it is not
[10:14] <Burgundavia> moZer, it is the current development
[10:14] <moZer> that's what i meant by rolling
[10:14] <Burgundavia> ok, rolling is something different
[10:14] <Burgundavia> rawhide and sid are rolling, they never release. breezy is not like that
[10:15] <salkin> by "so it is" I means to convey agreement with "that's what I originally asked about."
[10:15] <moZer> Burgundavia:  ok, fair point
[10:15] <salkin> Burgundavia: yes, it's a fair point, but locally it's moot
[10:15] <moZer> anyway, it suits my needs :-)
[10:15] <salkin> Burgundavia: by which I mean, until it releases, it's rolling :)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> salkin, not really, if you are not clear with terminology, thing get very confusing
[10:16] <moZer> anyone here run breezy?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> moZer, yes
[10:16] <salkin> Burgundavia: I don't mean to suggest that you are incorrect or that your terminology isn't the appropriate one
[10:16] <salkin> moZer: y
[10:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> Burgundavia, what's a new key feature in Breezy?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> Carpe_Libertatem, wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft
[10:17] <salkin> Burgundavia: I only mean to say that for a current Breezy user, the effect is much the same. Last month it was even wilder than most testing versions
[10:17] <Burgundavia> salkin, I have heard that sid is a rough ride right now
[10:18] <Burgundavia> salkin, because debian has a longer timescale than we do, the ride is rougher for longer
[10:18] <aftertaf> guruff... with kubuntu you have kpilot installed default.
[10:19] <aftertaf> run it and hit hotsync, should work direct. mine did ;)
[10:19] <salkin> Burgundavia: that would certainly be one possible outcome. It's hard for me to generate sympathy though, having suffered through too much debian-legal.
[10:20] <aftertaf> hehe..
[10:20] <aftertaf> having killed my debian many times onctu stable .e unstable, i'm staying with ub
[10:20] <aftertaf> had my fill of unmet dependencies.
[10:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the app that lets you play Windows games in Linux called?
[10:24] <aftertaf> cedega
[10:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> ty
[10:25] <aftertaf> ;)
[10:25] <aftertaf> mule it ;) (omg did i day that?)
[10:25] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: wine is the free one, Cedega is $$$
[10:25] <MorphDK> Can someone please send me a working smb.conf?
[10:25] <aftertaf> MorphDK, :)   gnome_cups something.....
[10:26] <MorphDK> aftertaf: eh?
[10:26] <aftertaf> the print thing....
[10:26] <MorphDK> aftertaf: gnome-cups-manager.. I found it..
[10:26] <MorphDK> Now i need a working /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:26] <aftertaf> > salkin Madpilot: if you see morphdk again the program is called gnome-cups-manager
[10:27] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:27] <MorphDK> Having fun?
[10:27] <aftertaf> MorphDK, totally..... keeps me occupied at work mate ;)
[10:27] <MorphDK> okay.. me too
[10:28] <aftertaf> but linux is for pleasure.
[10:29] <cemc> re
[10:29] <aftertaf> !mount
[10:29] <ubotu> from memory, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[10:29] <iamnow> hi
[10:30] <iamnow> whats the command to install nvidia drivers?
[10:31] <Madpilot> !nvidia
[10:31] <iamnow> is there an easy way to get tv out working?
[10:31] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:31] <MorphDK> aftertaf: linux is for work :P
[10:33] <iamnow> thanks
[10:33] <djfm> hi
[10:34] <abarbaccia> hi
[10:34] <cemc> Homerr: what's up? :)
[10:35] <djfm> how do you remove the animation that happen when you minimize a window ?
[10:36] <yahalom> djfm: animation?
[10:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the command to install a .deb package?
[10:37] <cornflake> dpkg ?
[10:37] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: "sudo dpkg -1 <foo>.deb"
[10:38] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: sorry, that's -i not -1
[10:38] <yahalom> Carpe_Libertatem: sudo dpkg -i blahblah.deb
[10:38] <djfm> yahalom: dunno how to call this, a visual effect, there are ugly black rectangles that simulate the shrinking of the window
[10:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> ty
[10:39] <Ubuntu-Pk> how do u install .patch files in ubuntu
[10:39] <tombs> hi ppl
[10:39] <yahalom> hi
[10:39] <yahalom> djfm: that isn't ubuntu. thats ur graphics card. u have ati?
[10:40] <djfm> yes I have a radeon 9200
[10:40] <tombs> this channel forward is not nice :)
[10:40] <Ubuntu-Pk> can someone help me here with the .patch files, i dunno how to install the patch files
[10:40] <yahalom> djfm: nothing u can do about it. its ati linux drivers :( same problem with me. talk to the ati guys #ati
[10:41] <Ubuntu-Pk>  can someone help me here with the .patch files, i dunno how to install the patch files
[10:41] <yahalom> Ubuntu-Pk: patch files?
[10:41] <djfm> yahalom: are you sure we are talking of the same thing ? it is really weird
[10:42] <Ubuntu-Pk> yes
[10:42] <yahalom> djfm: yes. i have 9200. are u using the ati drivers from ubuntu?
[10:42] <Madpilot> tombs: hopefully the bot attacks will end at some point and the channel forwarding nonsense can be stopped too...
[10:42] <Ubuntu-Pk> the patches that we download from http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[10:42] <_Dom_> hello all
[10:42] <tombs> Madpilot: hopefully
[10:42] <djfm> yahalom: I am using fglrx
[10:42] <_Dom_> did i read somewhere it is possible to install ubuntu whilst working in windows
[10:43] <Ubuntu-Pk> an someone help me here with the .patch files, i dunno how to install the patch files
[10:43] <Ubuntu-Pk> the patches that we download from http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[10:43] <yahalom> djfm: from apt?
[10:43] <djfm> yes
[10:44] <Madpilot> _Dom_: check the wiki for that, I know there are instructions there - wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[10:45] <yahalom> djfm: umm...one secx
[10:45] <_Dom_> ok thanks
[10:45] <cemc> Ubuntu-Pk: those patches have to be applied to the source of the program in question, then you have to compile the program
[10:45] <_Dom_> i have a belkin wireless card that i use to connect ot the internet so i dont wanna put the cd in
[10:45] <_Dom_> because im not sure it will pick it up
[10:46] <_Dom_> and i have an old cd
[10:46] <yahalom> djfm: open terminal and type glxgears, tell me what u get
[10:46] <cemc> if i'm correct :)
[10:48] <djfm> 3395 frames in 5.0 seconds = 679.000 FPS
[10:48] <djfm> 3463 frames in 5.0 seconds = 692.600 FPS
[10:49] <cornflake> has anyone ever installed vmware on ubuntu?
[10:50] <No1Viking> cornflake, yes
[10:50] <No1Viking> cornflake, works perfect
[10:50] <Fr0Gs> yes cornflake
[10:51] <Jojeta> hi! I want to use mencoder, I understood it came with mplayer, but mplayer is installed and there is no command called mencoder. how can I get mencoder?
[10:52] <Fr0Gs> sudo apt-get install mencoder-586
[10:52] <Fr0Gs> it's 22mb
[10:53] <Jojeta> E: Couldn't find package mencoder-586
[10:53] <Fr0Gs> hmmmm
[10:53] <Fr0Gs> what version of ubuntu do you have?
[10:53] <aftertaf> multiverse?
[10:53] <Jojeta> even "sudo apt-get install mencoder*" doesn't found
[10:53] <djfm> yahalom: 3395 frames in 5.0 seconds = 679.000 FPS
[10:53] <djfm> 3463 frames in 5.0 seconds = 692.600 FPS
[10:53] <djfm>  I have to go now, see you later maybe and thx for help
[10:53] <aftertaf> apt repositories
[10:53] <Fr0Gs> rob^ how did u get a hostname like that
[10:53] <Jojeta> Fr0Gs, 5.04
[10:53] <Fr0Gs> go
[10:54] <rob^> I'm a docteam member
[10:54] <Fr0Gs> sudo apt-cache search mencoder
[10:54] <Fr0Gs> tell me what comes up
[10:54] <aftertaf> Jojeta, have you added multiverse to each deb entry having universe
[10:54] <Jojeta> Fr0Gs, nothing
[10:54] <Fr0Gs> hmmm
[10:54] <Fr0Gs> i don't know then sorry
[10:54] <guruff> hey, i need help synchronizing my palm
[10:55] <guruff> i have gnome-palm installed, but i can't see palm ? dunno which tty it is
[10:55] <_Dom_> how easy is it to set up a belkin PCICIMA wirless card with ubuntu
[10:55] <Jojeta> aftertaf, just to copy the line and change uviverse to multiverse?
[10:55] <aftertaf> Jojeta, don't copy...
[10:55] <aftertaf> each line that has universe, add multiverse to it
[10:55] <yahalom> djfm:
[10:55] <Jojeta> aftertaf, ok
[10:55] <yahalom> djfm: wait
[10:56] <yahalom> djfm: that fram rate is very low. u didnt install the drivers properly. u wotn be able to play 3D games, and that is why the minimizing looks so bad
[10:56] <ilba7r> i am trying to remove a module and modprobe -r can not remove it any ideas?
[10:57] <seanj> howdy
[10:57] <Jojeta> thank you! now I can download mencoder!
[10:57] <seanj> anyone know a simple solution to make an audio cd out of a dir of mp3s?
[10:57] <aftertaf> guruff, i use kpilot. i run it, then plug in and hotsync, it works by itself
[10:57] <aftertaf> seanj, k3b
[10:57] <yahalom> ilba7r: rddmod?
[10:57] <dirkhaim> hi all
[10:57] <aftertaf> joj welcome ;)
[10:57] <seanj> thanks aftertaf :)
[10:58] <aftertaf> hehe by FAR easiest IMHO
[10:58] <dirkhaim> any one has any idea if there's a way to install ubunbtu on a mac mini without erasing all the existing data? I already have a linux partition with Yellow Dog Linux, and I want to overwrite it, but keep all the data on the other partitions
[10:58] <aftertaf> dirkhaim, manually partition.
[10:59] <aftertaf> during installer
[10:59] <dirkhaim> I will see that option during the install? cool
[10:59] <ilba7r> yahalom yahalom rddmod i can not locate this command on my pc
[10:59] <rob^> dirkhaim, next time have a /home partition
[10:59] <yahalom> ilba7r: yeah ignore me i'm sorry.i gave u the wrong command.
[11:00] <aftertaf> lol yahalom
[11:00] <aftertaf> keyboard sharpshooters :)
[11:00] <ilba7r> no problem
[11:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I mount an iso file?
[11:00] <dirkhaim> I thought I have to set the home partition on the setup, isn't it so?
[11:00] <aftertaf> carpe try google...
[11:00] <aftertaf> google mount iso linux
[11:00] <aftertaf> its in there... ;)
[11:01] <cemc> Carpe_Libertatem: mount /file.iso /where -o loop
[11:02] <Carpe_Libertatem> Found it on the forums after a search, but ty.
[11:02] <aftertaf> some things are just there, very well explained... Plus i didn't know offhand but found on ggl a while back.
[11:03] <Virtuall> again?..
[11:07] <seanj> ok, i installed k3b and it can't find the cdrdao executable, and i can't find an installable package for it in the apt db
[11:08] <seanj> any other suggestions for making an audio cd from mp3s?
[11:08] <aftertaf> cdrdao...
[11:08] <aftertaf> hmmm
[11:08] <brownie17> hell oeveryone
[11:08] <seanj> hi brownie17
[11:08] <brownie17> hi
[11:08] <Madpilot> cdrdao should be in Universe, seanj
[11:08] <aftertaf> add multiverse to your repositories, the ones that have universe
[11:08] <seanj> ahh k! thanks
[11:08] <brownie17> does anyone know how i can download kazaa for linux
[11:09] <seanj> :)
[11:09] <brownie17> i went to the webite
[11:09] <brownie17> but could not find a linux download for the life of me
[11:09] <aftertaf> Madpilot, ok....
[11:09] <aftertaf> brownie17, install synaptic and search kazaa
[11:09] <seanj> brownie17, don't think there is a linux version... you might be able to run the windows version with WINE
[11:09] <aftertaf> you'll find an opensource version.
[11:09] <aftertaf> probablly ;)
[11:09] <rob^> any one have any idea how to flip upside down and inverse a video?
[11:09] <brownie17> seanj: internet tells me there is
[11:10] <seanj> ooo giFT!
[11:10] <seanj> k, sorry.. i'm out of touch with p2p stuff
[11:11] <brownie17> aftertaf: no results
[11:11] <brownie17> aftertaf: how long should it take?
[11:11] <aftertaf> get amule instead
[11:11] <brownie17> aftertaf: whats amule? does it use the edonkey network?
[11:12] <aftertaf> this said, you do have the right to prefer kazaa / note to self: stop being fascist!)
[11:12] <aftertaf> brownie17, yup
[11:12] <aftertaf> there is also mldonkey
[11:12] <brownie17> aftertaf: thanks
[11:12] <aftertaf> uses kazaa, mule, torrent...
[11:12] <aftertaf> etc
[11:12] <brownie17> aftertaf: was that supposed to be emule?
[11:13] <aftertaf> nope
[11:13] <Madpilot> !info amule
[11:13] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc7-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1992 kB, Installed size: 5888 kB
[11:13] <aftertaf> mldonkey or amule
[11:13] <aftertaf> hehe Madpilot
[11:13] <aftertaf> good reflex
[11:13] <aftertaf> !info mldonkey
[11:13] <phreakys> hi
[11:14] <phreakys> im trying to find mysqltcl on the ubuntu distr
[11:14] <phreakys> o
[11:14] <phreakys> it seems not to be there, allthough apt says its there
[11:15] <Madpilot> phreakys: it's there, in Universe
[11:15] <Madpilot> !+info mysqltcl
[11:15] <ubotu> mysqltcl: (Interface to the MySQL database for the Tcl language.), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 2.30-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
[11:16] <aftertaf> !info cdrdao
[11:16] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB
[11:16] <brownie17> aftertaf: if i send you a pastebin link for an error i keep getting, will you tell me what you know about it?
[11:16] <aftertaf> oki
[11:16] <kemik> brownie17:  got it working?
[11:16] <brownie17> !pastebin
[11:16] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:16] <aftertaf> aparently not :)
[11:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> !breezy
[11:17] <brownie17> aftertaf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1710
[11:17] <Tadej`Certanc> Hi ppl
[11:17] <Tadej`Certanc> how do I start services in ubuntu (console)
[11:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the link that shows how to upgrade to Breezy?
[11:17] <brownie17> kemik: no, im getting the windows cd tommorrow, then i should be able to  use the fix MBR tool
[11:17] <brownie17> kemik: does the mbr stand for master boot record?
[11:18] <phreakys> hm
[11:18] <kemik> brownie17:  aight.. (yes it does)
[11:18] <Madpilot> Tadej`Certanc: which services do you mean?
[11:18] <Tadej`Certanc> bind apache
[11:18] <phreakys> its installed there, but i cant find it
[11:18] <phreakys> besides its 2.3
[11:18] <phreakys> i need mysqltcl 2.5
[11:18] <phreakys> bitch to build :/
[11:18] <brownie17> kemik: i have an another error, do you mind looking at it? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1710
[11:18] <seanj> awesome, thanks very much ppl
[11:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the link that shows how to upgrade to Breezy?
[11:19] <kemik> brownie17:  looks like a file is missing or a url is wrong
[11:19] <rob^> Carpe_Libertatem, don't yet
[11:19] <kemik> brownie17:  type "sudo apt-get update" in a terminal
[11:20] <phreakys> its supposed to be in /usr/lib/mysqltcl-2.50
[11:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> rob: why?
[11:20] <rob^> Carpe_Libertatem, its still unstable at the moment
[11:20] <aftertaf> brownie17, can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file???
[11:20] <aftertaf> sth seems not right :)
[11:21] <aftertaf> brownie17, kemik is right, it'll tell you what is not iright in c=learer terms from a comand line
[11:23] <brownie17> im giving you guys another pastebin
[11:23] <brownie17> just a tic
[11:23] <brownie17> kemik: aftertaf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1711
[11:24] <phreakys> arg
[11:24] <phreakys> is there not a mysqltcl upgrade in the repos?
[11:24] <brownie17> aftertaf: what was that sources thing  you wanted, and what was the exact command i should put in to get it?
[11:25] <aftertaf> sources.list
[11:26] <kemik> paste source.list too
[11:26] <brownie17> ok
[11:27] <brownie17> sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[11:27] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:27] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1712
[11:27] <brownie17> that good?
[11:28] <runge> hi. not sure this is a specific ubuntu question, but here goes. A site have option for me to download/open a .tsv file. Openoffice always seams to open it in Writer instead of Calc even tough I tell it to use oocalc. any ideas?
[11:28] <marcin_ant> hi all
[11:28] <marcin_ant> could someone help me with wireless network configuration?
[11:28] <Madpilot> brownie17: uncomment "# deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe" and the line right below it, and save the file
[11:29] <Seveas> the spambots are still f*ing up freenode eh?
[11:29] <Madpilot> brownie17: uncomment = remove the # from the front of the line, btw
[11:29] <kemik> after save, run "sudo apt-get update" again
[11:31] <brownie17> it seems to not have given me the error again, do you mind telling me what i just did?
[11:31] <aftertaf> there are other sources you can add too, to complete your packages available.
[11:32] <brownie17> seveas: why don't people like that just go jump!?
[11:32] <brownie17> aftertaf: ok? how do i do that? will that help my overall ease of use?
[11:32] <aftertaf> you made the # prefixed lines active, and apt can use them as sources for packages
[11:32] <Madpilot> brownie17: you just allowed apt-get/Synaptic to view those two repositories
[11:33] <Madpilot> !+repos
[11:33] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:33] <Madpilot> brownie17: explanation there ^^^
[11:33] <brownie17> so ill go to synaptic now and see if erros reapear. they did not appear when i first installed linux, why did they start?
[11:33] <brownie17> when the apt-get update thing finished, it gave me the error again, want to see?
[11:34] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1713
[11:34] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1714
[11:35] <Seveas> brownie17, did you paste your sources.list somewhere too?
[11:35] <Madpilot> brownie17: try taking the au part out of your sources, the Australian archive might be the problem?
[11:35] <brownie17> argh, too many things to do at once!
[11:35] <Seveas> brownie17: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[11:35] <Seveas> and then apt-get update
[11:35] <brownie17> seveas: i dont know, yes i did, just cant remember
[11:35] <Seveas> brownie17, I found it :)
[11:36] <brownie17> you did? thatnks
[11:36] <aftertaf> Seveas, yep he did.... /1712 in pastebin
[11:36] <aftertaf> ehe
[11:36] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:36] <Seveas> brownie17, try the rm command
[11:36] <Seveas> and then apt-get update
[11:36] <Madpilot> brownie17: this is an "official" sources list - paste it into your file: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:36] <brownie17> seveas: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists
[11:36] <brownie17> madpilot: are you sure that wont ruin things?
[11:37] <Seveas> brownie17, no: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[11:37] <Seveas> without the /* it will not work :)
[11:37] <brownie17> seveas: it weouldnt work. gave me error, something like rm: cannot remove : is a directory
[11:37] <Madpilot> brownie17: nope, just copy-n-paste that pastebin into your sources.list
[11:37] <brownie17> i did it with the /*
[11:37] <Seveas> brownie17, with the /* it will give an error too
[11:37] <Seveas> something about partial
[11:37] <brownie17> madpilot: ok, ill give it a try
[11:38] <Seveas> but thats ok
[11:38] <unreal> anyone know of a decent pop3 daemon?
[11:39] <brownie17> madpilot: ok i pasted it, now im running the sudo apt-get update again
[11:39] <brownie17> madpilot: it is downloading heaps of stuff
[11:39] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:40] <aftertaf> mustve been your apt servers that are having hiccups.
[11:40] <brownie17> madpilot: what did that error mean? was it fatal?
[11:41] <kemik> brownie17:  no, you'll survive ;)
[11:41] <aftertaf> brownie17, and you'll have had some linux fun too.... it gets beter mate i assure you :)
[11:41] <brownie17> kemik: so what would it have actually changed?
[11:41] <brownie17> aftertaf: good! i hope so!
[11:42] <aftertaf> struggle is 99% of the fun.
[11:42] <kemik> ... hardly
[11:42] <kemik> i'd rather "it just works"
[11:42] <brownie17> aftertaf: its actually not that bad, when there isnt errors, its actualyl quite similar to windows, at parts. emphasis on the "at parts"
[11:42] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there anyway to easily install dif. themes for Ubuntu?
[11:42] <pvanhoof> is there a way to make sure a specific mass storage device always gets mounted on a specificic mountpoint?
[11:42] <Madpilot> brownie17: not sure what it meant, but there might be an issue with one of the au. archives for Ubuntu...
[11:42] <pvanhoof> I have multiple mass storage devices (on usb2), the mountpoints often get mixed
[11:42] <aftertaf> pvanhoof, adding it to fstab with auto?
[11:42] <pvanhoof> aftertaf, yes, but .. I have multiple ones
[11:43] <pvanhoof> I want them all to be automounted on a specific mountpoint (as defined per device)
[11:43] <brownie17> madpilot: it worked! should i email ubuntu and tell them there is an error? what country are you guys from?
[11:43] <franco64> i haave installed crossover office and itunes has been installed
[11:43] <aftertaf> kemik, i agree..... but when its tough you  do remember how you got it working easier
[11:43] <franco64> but when i mount my ipod it will noit mount with itunes
[11:44] <Madpilot> brownie17: I'm just another user - check ubuntu.com if you want to contact the project
[11:44] <kemik> franco64:  i think gtkpod would be a better alternative than x-overoffice
[11:44] <franco64> i have installed also gtkpod and that works
[11:44] <kemik> franco64:  stick with gtk then ;)
[11:44] <aftertaf> brownie17, france ;)
[11:44] <brownie17> madpilot: i opened synaptic, and it told me my repositroies were out of date
[11:44] <intelikey> well i finally got xorg running on this thing but i found a strance problem.  it seems that when i log into xfce4 as a user it starts me in an xterm,(that's ok) but there is no prompt in this terminal and all i can do with the mouse is open more terms just like it on close them.   if i login as root it works just fine  but you guys don't like me running root sooooo ?
[11:44] <brownie17> aftertaf: really? cool. my sister is in france right now. shes on holidays
[11:44] <Madpilot> brownie17: hit the  Reload button in Synaptic
[11:45] <franco64> but the problem is that it will not unmount the ipod
[11:45] <brownie17> madpilot: yep did that :)
[11:45] <kemik> intelikey:  perhaps you've installed stuff as root and that made your installed stuff only runnable as root
[11:45] <franco64> it still displays on the ipod do not disconnect
[11:45] <franco64> even when i have unmounted it
[11:45] <kemik> intelikey:  only use root when required to do so
[11:45] <intelikey> kemik i installed everything as root.
[11:46] <kemik> using apt-get?
[11:46] <aftertaf> oops
[11:46] <intelikey> yep
[11:46] <kemik> hmm.. weird
[11:47] <Madpilot> intelikey: using sudo or have you created an actual root account?
[11:47] <intelikey> every thing works from console for user.
[11:47] <pvanhoof> aftertaf, in turns out you can use e2label .. but is there integration in Ubuntu for this?
[11:47] <brownie17> madpilot: should i use default upgrade or smart upgrqade?
[11:47] <kemik> im dont think this is good advice, but you could try doing a "chmod -R a+rwx /*"
[11:47] <kemik> *i
[11:47] <aftertaf> smart brownie17
[11:47] <intelikey> i started with a root account.  i didn't creat one.....
[11:47] <aftertaf> itll try to sort out dependencies better
[11:47] <kemik> intelikey:  the root account is disabled in ubuntu by default
[11:47] <kemik> intelikey:  so you must have done something to enable it ;)
[11:48] <kemik> unless you used "sudo" or a root-terminal with sudo -i
[11:48] <intelikey> hmmm odd when i installed it root was all there was.
[11:48] <aftertaf> pvanhoof, no idea... check the project homepage...
[11:48] <kemik> you didnt name your first account root? (is that even possible?)
[11:48] <intelikey> then i ran adduser blah
[11:48] <intelikey> and passwd blah
[11:48] <thoreauputic> kemik: the command you gave is guaranteed to wreck a system if executed as root
[11:49] <intelikey> so root would have a passwd
[11:49] <Madpilot> !+root
[11:49] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:49] <kemik> thoreauputic:  wreck it really? im thinking it was really bad advise.. but wreck it right away? :(
[11:49] <aftertaf> kemik, worse than really bad it would seem ... ;)
[11:49] <thoreauputic> kemik: the permissions system is a bit more complex than that
[11:49] <kemik> well i put in a disclaimer :)
[11:50] <aftertaf> i witnessed!
[11:50] <aftertaf> :)
[11:50] <thoreauputic> kemik: true :)
[11:50] <franco64> what is the coding for doing smart upgrade
[11:51] <intelikey> ubotu was that "it has been said that root is disabled in"  aimed at me ?
[11:51] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, intelikey
[11:51] <aftertaf> why do i know so little? cig time methinks ;)
[11:51] <aftertaf> intelikey, ubotu is a bot ;)
[11:51] <rob^> aftertaf, maybe thats your answer?
[11:51] <aftertaf> rob^, loooooooool
[11:51] <aftertaf> :)
[11:51] <aftertaf> !smoking
[11:51] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you smoking crack?
[11:51] <rob^> ;)
[11:51] <aftertaf> ;)
[11:51] <intelikey> yeah but i thought someone (it's owner) might have used it....
[11:52] <aftertaf> i have my MCSE in breaking debian tho.
[11:52] <franco64> i have been upgrading but two packages mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support will not install
[11:52] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: haha :D
[11:52] <franco64> so just woundering if smark upgrade will worek
[11:53] <_Rappy_> heh, weird
[11:53] <brownie17> madpilot: the "sound juicer ripper" that comes standard with ubuntu rips quite slowly, 0.7x. i know that means better quality sound... but 0.7x!!!! too slow! take one hour to rip a cd. how can i speed it up?
[11:53] <intelikey> tty1 [root#~]  sudo
[11:53] <intelikey> -bash: sudo: command not found
[11:53] <Madpilot> brownie17: have you enabled DMA on your CD drive?
[11:53] <Madpilot> !+dma
[11:53] <ubotu> it has been said that dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[11:54] <brownie17> madpilot: no, whats DMA?
[11:54] <brownie17> madpilot: oh ok
[11:54] <Madpilot> brownie17: see the URL that ubotu posted ^^^ :)
[11:55] <kemik> franco64:  may have to do a dist-upgrade to get firefox updated
[11:55] <brownie17> madpilot: so should i enable that for all my drives? (i have four :) a dvd-rom, a cd-r and to hdd's)
[11:55] <_Rappy_> am I the onlyone beeing spammed here (on freenode)?
[11:56] <intelikey> so what might be the reason that xfce4/xterm is not working for users ?  permission ?
[11:56] <rob^> _Rappy_, see the topic
[11:56] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: --->  i have my MCSE in breaking debian tho  <--- nice one ;-) may we quote you ? *grin*
[11:57] <tvo> I'm looking for a todo list manager, supporting priorities, hierarchical ordering and due dates, preferably native KDE.  Anyone?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> brownie17: wherever possible, yes
[11:57] <brownie17> ok
[11:59] <aftertaf> thoreauputic, quote away :)
[11:59] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: ;-)
[11:59] <aftertaf> +n
[11:59] <intelikey> doesn't X terminals and consoles use different dev/* ?
[12:00] <intelikey> it could be permissions
[12:00] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: I'm *permanently* out to lunch
[12:00] <brownie17> madpilot: are the instrcution exactly the same (exept different hdc thing) for hard drives?
[12:01] <Madpilot> brownie17: as far as I know. my only HDD is SATA, so I've never bothered with DMA for hard drives...
[12:02] <brownie17> madpilot: ok. hows is sata treating you?
[12:02] <franco64> kemik: thanks for that (much appricated)
[12:02] <intelikey> i thought that most non-coustom kernels enabled all dma by default...
[12:02] <Belutz> Madpilot: how come if i use cp if it will overwrite the target, it didn't ask for confirmation?
[12:03] <intelikey> this one does.
[12:03] <Madpilot> Belutz: "man cp" - there's probably a verbose option to get confirmations
[12:03] <Belutz> Madpilot: ok thx :)
[12:04] <intelikey> or -i maybe ?
[12:04] <Belutz> Madpilot: i think that's because you're an expert? :D
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: answer a few questions and everyone thinks you are omniscient :) You are, aren't you?? <j/k>
[12:05] <Madpilot> Belutz: no, I just fake it, and I actually *read* documentation & man pages
[12:05] <Belutz> yup it says to use -i :D
[12:05] <intelikey> i just said taht
[12:05] <brownie17> brb all
[12:05] <Belutz> but why don't it ask confirmation by default?
[12:05] <intelikey> that even
[12:05] <Madpilot> because linux assumes you know what you're doing? ;)
[12:05] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: :)
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: :)
[12:06] <Belutz> thoreauputic: lol :D
[12:06] <thoreauputic> now.. if people also read the /topic, the world will come to an end
[12:06] <intelikey> in /etc/profile  or /etc/bashrc  add "alias cp='cp -i' "    and it will belutz
[12:06] <Belutz> Madpilot: why not make it reverse so linux know what i'm doing? :D
[12:07] <Belutz> intelikey: oh yes... didn't think of that, thx for giving such an idea :D
[12:07] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: reading the topic is expecting far too much...
[12:07] <intelikey> that assumes you shell is bash
[12:07] <Madpilot> ... besides, why hurry the end of the world
[12:07] <Madpilot> ?
[12:07] <Madpilot> ;)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I'm just a dreamer ;)
[12:08] <thoreauputic>  besides, why hurry the end of the world  <-- good point, I needed to think of that...
[12:09] <intelikey> cause i'm in a hurry ?
[12:10] <Madpilot> so did you have to look the spelling of eschatology up?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> nope - my faher is a theologian ;)
[12:11] <thoreauputic> but I can't spell "father" apparently
[12:11] <Madpilot> :)
[12:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Vater.
[12:12] <Madpilot> Vader
[12:12] <thoreauputic> dad?
[12:12] <deFrysk> Dart
[12:12] <intelikey> what device does xterm use ?
[12:13] <Madpilot> "I am your... <etc>" ;)
[12:13] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:13] <brownie17> madpilot: it didnt get any faster
[12:14] <thoreauputic> the source is strong in this one ---> Madpilot
[12:14] <Madpilot> brownie17: with DMA vs without? odd, my optical drives both ripped faster after I enabled DMA...
[12:14] <zukalk> hey what was the command to sound the PC's beep?
[12:15] <_Rappy_> rob^, tnx :)
[12:15] <rob^> ?
[12:16] <intelikey> zukalk echo -e "\a"  ?
[12:16] <spayne> i've install enemy terratory
[12:16] <spayne> and i get this error
[12:16] <spayne> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[12:17] <brownie17> madpilotl: oh well. maybe its the software
[12:17] <Madpilot> spayne: do you have 3d drivers installed?
[12:17] <spayne> not that i'm aware
[12:17] <CrackersKeenan> g'day all.  Anyone use Skype with headset on Ubuntu?  I can hear my own voice way too loudly, and the other person is too quiet.  Is there a sound control I can adjust to fix this?
[12:17] <spayne> my card is an old ATI 128 All in Wonder Pro
[12:18] <zukalk> intelikey, thanks, that's it
[12:18] <Madpilot> brownie17: SoundJiucer isn't really fast, but it works; there are other rippers available - search in Synaptic
[12:18] <thoreauputic> intelikey: now I know what to put in scripts to annoy people! It works indeed... ;)
[12:18] <Madpilot> ubotu tell spayne about ati
[12:18] <spayne> thanks
[12:18] <brownie17> madpilot: synaptic is unlike any programi have ever had to use before, im not sure i understand exactly what it does. mind explaining?
[12:19] <brownie17> !synaptic
[12:19] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:19] <Madpilot> brownie17: knowing the right way to poke ubotu is at least 50% of appearing to know what you're doing on this channel... you're learning... ;)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> brownie17: think of it as a sort of one stop e-shop for software without the ads and popups
[12:20] <Madpilot> !good bot
[12:20] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :)
[12:20] <kemik> true that Madpilot  ;)
[12:20] <intelikey> do you guys never read the man pages ?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: you're giving all our secrets away
[12:20] <kemik> intelikey:  alot of newbies dont even know what a "man.page" is
[12:20] <brownie17> cool
[12:20] <Madpilot> intelikey: I've already admitted that I do
[12:21] <Madpilot> !+cli
[12:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[12:21] <intelikey> yeah true. kemik
[12:21] <kemik> i've even written a man-page O_o
[12:21] <brownie17> madpilot: hahah :) so what is the difference between hoary and warty. what are they?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> intelikey: ln -s /usr/bin/man /usr/bin/rtfm
[12:21] <thoreauputic> :D
[12:21] <kemik> brownie17:  simply (and not entirely correct) it's like Windows95 and Windows98
[12:21] <CrackersKeenan> !skype
[12:21] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:21] <CrackersKeenan> coool
[12:21] <CrackersKeenan> lol
[12:21] <rob^> use hoary, more up to date packages
[12:22] <brownie17> kemik: oh ok, so both shit?
[12:22] <brownie17> kemik: hahah joke :)
[12:22] <kemik> hehe
[12:22] <Madpilot> kemik: ouch, I think you've just insulted both warty & hoary...
[12:22] <intelikey> thoreauputic mount proc /dev -o remount
[12:22] <kemik> well i was referring to the point that they're just differnet version of basically the same OS
[12:22] <brownie17> madpilot: good one
[12:22] <spayne> thanks again
[12:23] <thoreauputic> intelikey: :)
[12:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> Are there any Linux apps to write PDF files?
[12:24] <brownie17> madpilot: someone told me to search Kazaa in synaptic, and i did. but it didn't come up with any results. do you mind trying to see if it does for you?
[12:24] <rob^> Open office.org
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: sure
[12:24] <brownie17> carpe_libertatem: yes, openoffice word processor will do it
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: also koffice
[12:24] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: nearly every app in Ubuntu will output PDF...
[12:24] <CrackersKeenan> g'day all.  Anyone use Skype with headset on Ubuntu?  I can hear my own voice way too loudly, and the other person is too quiet.  Is there a sound control I can adjust to fix this?
[12:24] <intelikey> hey if you don't like that one "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=2048 ;sudo init 6 "
[12:25] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: run alsamixer in a terminal and play with the settings
[12:25] <Madpilot> brownie17: no kazaa in the repos - there is amule - and there's a bittorrent client installed by default
[12:26] <brownie17> madpilot: know any good bittorent sites these days? all the ones i knew got shut down
[12:26] <Digis> brownie17, why do u need kazaa? it sucks a lot :)
[12:26] <CrackersKeenan> thoreauputic: I've tried that, but can't seem to find one that stops the mic sound coming through the earphones.  Even muting the mic doesn't work
[12:26] <FreeZ> where is the new kismet-2005-8-R1?
[12:26] <Madpilot> actually, I've never used any of the p2p stuff
[12:26] <qt2> hm...
[12:27] <qt2> thats one major plugin that linux is missing.
[12:27] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: interference maybe? what happens if you bend the mike further away?
[12:27] <qt2> shockwave.
[12:27] <Madpilot> qt2: blame Macromedia for that one - at least Flash works OK
[12:27] <rob^> you mean flash?
[12:27] <intelikey> there is one feature of apt-get  i really don't like,   i haven't found a way to make it ignore deps.....
[12:28] <CrackersKeenan> thoreauputic: yeah it seems to produce feedback if I bend them away ... strange.  What i'd like is a way to stop the mic sound playing back over the headphones.  can't seem to do it!
[12:28] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: I use a mike clipped to my shirt - skype doesn't seem to require it close to my mouth
[12:28] <topyli> Madpilot: actually, flash sucks very badly too
[12:28] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[12:28] <rob^> intelikey, why would you want to do that?
[12:28] <Madpilot> intelikey: isn't the whole point of apt to get the deps for you?
[12:28] <intelikey> rob^ to force an uninstall.
[12:29] <rob^> intelikey, use aptitude
[12:29] <intelikey> Madpilot it might have been the writers "whole idea"  but it ain't mine.
[12:30] <topyli> intelikey: why would you want to uninstall another package's dependencies?
[12:30] <rob^> it will remove the deps for you when you unstall a package
[12:30] <rob^> man this knoppix cd sucks, it keeps freezing
[12:30] <topyli> intelikey: anyway, use dpkg directly if you want to break stuff
[12:30] <CrackersKeenan> thoreauputic: yeah that would work I guess... I'll still try to look at a way of the sound not being played on the headphones though.  There must be a way for the sound to go into the computer and not come out except throught the ethernet cable....
[12:31] <CrackersKeenan> thoreauputic: by the way, I'm a huge midnight oil fan  ;)
[12:31] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: yes, i guess so - I'm no sound expert I'm afraid
[12:31] <intelikey> yeah that's the ticket topyli   :)
[12:31] <brownie17> digis: well i use bearshare, but that doesnt have a linux version. kazaa was the only one i could find for linux
[12:32] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: hah - I'm no relation, actually :) But I've met him - I went up and said "Hi, I'm Peter Garrett" :)
[12:32] <CrackersKeenan> thoreauputic:  cool lol
[12:33] <Digis> brownie17, bearchare sucks too, edonkey ant torrent network rules, so try amule, and default ubuntu torrent client, if U need soulseek, try nicotine,
[12:33] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: the real hoot was that *he* knew who I was ... believe it or not!
[12:33] <intelikey> hmmm i might learn to like debian after all,  but not for a few months yet.
[12:33] <CrackersKeenan> is there a skype channel?  How do go about finding channels in general?  this is the only chatroom I've been to
[12:33] <CrackersKeenan> lol thoreauputic... I guess your reputation precedes you!
[12:34] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: you can type /list - but be warned, your client might blow up
[12:34] <CrackersKeenan> lol are there that many channels??
[12:34] <topyli> CrackersKeenan: depends on your client, but most have graceful ways of displaying channel lists i guess
[12:34] <thoreauputic> LIST :Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again
[12:34] <brownie17> Digis: speaking of bittorent, know anygood torrent websites? my fav one got shutdown
[12:34] <intelikey> CrackersKeenan in xchat there is a window for listing channels..... look around
[12:35] <kameron> i am on an AMD64 system. when i install either the AMD64 version, or the x86 version, i get dropped into a bash-like GRUB prompt, and it doesn't give me a list of OS's to boot to. only twice, out of probably twenty installs has it worked properly, but then after i reboot, it gets messed up again. really weird. anyone have this happen? hopefully if i score a good install, i can then load the OS and then change grub.. is there documentat
[12:35] <Madpilot> CrackersKeenan: there are over 2500 channels on freenode - 2753 currently...
[12:35] <intelikey> channel list window      refresh button     if it hasn't changed lately
[12:35] <CrackersKeenan> wow... lots of channels!
[12:36] <CrackersKeenan> can i search through the list without displaying it all??
[12:36] <intelikey> you can filter that with the user limits in xchat too
[12:36] <kemik> ick
[12:36] <topyli> CrackersKeenan: most channels are dead, or host only 2 or 3 friends' bullshit
[12:36] <kemik> my trashicon bugged
[12:36] <kemik> it looks filled, but nothing's in the trash.
[12:36] <CrackersKeenan> ok thanks all
[12:37] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: quite often you can just try /join #yourinterest and see if it exists
[12:38] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: if it's Linux related, there's probably a chan on freenode for it
[12:38] <CrackersKeenan> thoreauputic: cool.  just learned that there is not one for skype  :)
[12:38] <intelikey> that too,  and if it didn't when you typed it.... now it does.
[12:38] <topyli> CrackersKeenan: and if it didn't they you've just founded it :)
[12:38] <thoreauputic> CrackersKeenan: well, skype is "unfree"
[12:38] <CrackersKeenan> topyli: cool
[12:38] <_Dom_> hey all
[12:39] <_mindspin> where can I get the Kiosk Environment or Kiosk admintool? (its part of KDE)
[12:39] <_Dom_> i finally got my dual boot system working :)
[12:39] <_Dom_> windows xp and ubuntu
[12:39] <aftertaf> !info kiosk
[12:39] <thoreauputic> _Dom_: hey, congrats!
[12:39] <aftertaf> cool _Dom_
[12:39] <CrackersKeenan> OK.  There's no Tom Waits channel either.  If there's none on harleys or home brew, it's pretty much only this one for me :)
[12:39] <_Dom_> however before i update can anyone give me some help with my belkin wirless card on my laptop... ive looked at the wiki and its  alittle advanced :)
[12:40] <_Dom_> ive installed wireless-tools via synaptic however device manger sees a lot of unknown devices
[12:40] <_mindspin> ubuto says it does not exist
[12:41] <intelikey> device manager ?
[12:41] <_Dom_> !upgrade
[12:41] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:41] <aftertaf> _mindspin, nothing in cache apt-search :/
[12:41] <_mindspin> hehe , wait...
[12:42] <aftertaf> you got a URL?
[12:42] <minime-> does anyone have idea, how to change default sound device at ubuntu?
[12:43] <_Dom_> how long does the one line update usally take?
[12:43] <minime-> now my ubuntu is using integrated sound device and i want it to use my sound blaster
[12:43] <thoreauputic> !find kiosk
[12:43] <_mindspin> apt-cache search only tells me about the matchbox project
[12:43] <thoreauputic> bah
[12:44] <_mindspin> kiosktool is in breezy.....
[12:44] <thoreauputic> !+ find kiosk
[12:44] <ubotu> thoreauputic: No idea
[12:44] <thoreauputic> spaces..
[12:44] <qt2> rob^, no, not flash, shockwave. ;)
[12:44] <_mindspin> so I have to wait until october ?
[12:44] <thoreauputic> !+find kiosk
[12:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'kiosk' (3 shown): (/usr/sbin/xfce4-kiosk-query) in universe/libs/libxfce4util-1 ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/kiosktool.svgz) in universe/kde/kde-icons-mono ;; (/usr/include/xfce4/libxfce4util/xfce-kiosk.h) in universe/libdevel/libxfce4util-dev.
[12:44] <_mindspin> thoreauputic: its in breezy
[12:45] <brownie17> madpilot: i got another error :) wanna help? here is pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1715
[12:45] <qt2> Madpilot, you'd think someone would be able to reverse engineer a shockwave plugin. ;)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> _mindspin: ah - thanks
[12:45] <_mindspin> I was just told in #kubuntu
[12:45] <brownie17> qt2: if you want to know how to steal flash movies, then there is an easy way. is that what your talking about?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[12:45] <Madpilot> brownie17: upgrade FF thru Synaptic, that really is the 1.0.6 version
[12:46] <brownie17> madpilot: ok, why doesnt the other version work?
[12:46] <qt2> brownie17, no, i'm talking about being able to access shockwave content in a browser on linux <.<;
[12:47] <brownie17> madpilot: synaptic seems to take a long time to download stuff, maybe that's becasue i dont have alot of the neccessary reposityories?
[12:47] <brownie17> qt2: shit, can't you do that!? fuck! i didn't even know that. what about flash?
[12:47] <brownie17> qt2: i can't live without flash!
[12:47] <Madpilot> brownie17: flash works. shockwave doesn't
[12:47] <Madpilot> !+flash
[12:47] <ubotu> hmm... flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:47] <thoreauputic> !tell brownie17 about flash
[12:47] <brownie17> madpilot: whew! what a releif!
[12:49] <qt2> !tell qt2 about flash
[12:49] <qt2> <.<
[12:50] <Madpilot> brownie17: as for Firefox, no idea why it doesn't work. I use a better browser: www.opera.com/download  ;)
[12:50] <qt2> !tell qt2 about shockwave
[12:50] <funkyHat> qt2, you can do that in a /msg
[12:50] <intelikey> !+tell qt2 about shockwave
[12:50] <ubotu> i dunno what is 'shockwave'.
[12:50] <zxc3> Can anyone help me network between ubuntu and a mac with just a crossover cable?
[12:50] <qt2> funkyHat, ah.
[12:51] <redguy|work> !find bjam hoary-extras
[12:51] <waxhead> hi everyone
[12:51] <intelikey>                  !+
[12:51] <ubotu> intelikey: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:51] <intelikey> see
[12:52] <funkyHat> see what?
[12:52] <aftertaf> lol
[12:52] <intelikey> maybe i shouldn't be showing qt2 how to use the bot....
[12:52] <thoreauputic> zxc3: samba works with macs - if you install samba on the ubuntu machine you should be able to share stuff: there's also scp and ssh of course
[12:53] <soul34> hi. mi GAM_SERVER is causing kernel panic sometimes, during working.. not using KDE nor GNOME. just console mode. what can i do?
[12:53] <brownie17> madpilot: haha, you know, i have used both, and i dont mind either, but firefox was standard so i'll use it. it's a farsight better than fucking IE!
[12:54] <thoreauputic> !tell zxc3 about samba
[12:56] <redguy|work> !find bjam
[12:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'bjam' (2 shown): bjam ;; libjama-dev.
[12:56] <Madpilot> brownie17: Lynx is better than IE - at least you can't get virii from Lynx... ;)
[12:56] <Smirker> hey.  i installed a new monitor but the current resolution is too high.  how do i change resolution in console?
[12:57] <redguy|work> !info bjam
[12:57] <ubotu> bjam: (Software build tool), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 3.1.10-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 105 kB, Installed size: 304 kB
[12:57] <soul34> edit /etc/xorg/X1Conf or something like that :)
[12:58] <ibito> hi
[12:58] <ibito> I need a little help
[12:58] <Madpilot> !tell Smirker about fixres
[12:58] <ibito> I have a riptide soundcard
[12:58] <ibito> and no sound :(
[12:59] <ibito> anybody help?
[12:59] <soul34> Does anybody have an idea how can I fix my gam_server?
[12:59] <Smirker> ^_^ thanks all
[12:59] <soul34> !tell soul34 fixres
[12:59] <Madpilot> blarg - how did it get to be 0400 already? need sleep. good morning, everyone
[01:00] <soul34> pls somebody do a tell fixres for me :)
[01:00] <Madpilot> !tell soul34 about fixres
[01:00] <soul34> thx
[01:01] <klepas> I figured this would be the applicable place to ask - what's happened to the art team of late?
[01:01] <rob^> dunno
[01:01] <klepas> nothing via the mailing list, the irc channel is quite dead... :-(
[01:02] <aftertaf> 0400?? it's midday here :)
[01:02] <aftertaf> !arts
[01:02] <ubotu> aftertaf: Syntax error in line 1
[01:03] <Smirker> ehm
[01:03] <Smirker> cp: cannot stat '/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[01:03] <Smirker> errm?
[01:03] <ibito> hi?
[01:03] <Smirker> maybe i'm not using hoary.. maybe ;o
[01:04] <heatxsink> Madpilot:  I went through that part of the wiki for fglrx and I'm still having problems, have you had problems with fglrx?
[01:04] <ibito> anybody knows about the riptide sound problem?
[01:04] <zxc4> Anyone know how I can download samba of the net as my ubuntu livecd doesn't have an internet connection?
[01:04] <soul34> download the package himself
[01:04] <aftertaf> zxc3, you dont have it on the cd?
[01:05] <zxc4> aftertaf: is it installed by standard?
[01:05] <aftertaf> live cd, no idea...
[01:05] <aftertaf> check kpacg
[01:05] <aftertaf> kpackage or synaptic.
[01:05] <aftertaf> or simply apt-get install samba
[01:06] <aftertaf> i have never used live cd though...
[01:06] <zxc4> I have no internet connection on the livecd though
[01:06] <zxc4> so that won't work
[01:07] <Fr0Gs> i hate Mac OS X 10.3.5 i'ts shit as
[01:07] <Fr0Gs> anyone ever used that shit
[01:08] <CrackersKeenan> join #bdsm
[01:08] <CrackersKeenan> lol
[01:08] <rob^> watch the language hey
[01:09] <aftertaf> if the cd has been scanned by apt-get, and if it has the samba packages, should work.
[01:10] <soul34> anybody about gam_server? :\\
[01:10] <franco64> frOGs : why u say that
[01:10] <franco64> mac os x is great
[01:10] <aftertaf> 'should' being an overused word in linux circles :)
[01:11] <ibito> anyone knows about riptide sound driver?
[01:11] <franco64> update to 10.3.9 or get tider
[01:11] <franco64> tiger
[01:11] <aftertaf> !tell ibito about alsa
[01:12] <aftertaf> ibito, check the soundcard matrix out!!!
[01:12] <djfm> Smirker: I just read a previous message, you know that you can change your resolution at any time using ctrl + alt + + and ctrl + alt + -
[01:13] <franco64> Fr0Gs: what is so shit about os x then
[01:13] <Smirker> i just noticed :)
[01:13] <Smirker> thanks
[01:13] <Smirker> worked wonders
[01:13] <franco64> maybe i can help
[01:14] <franco64> guess Fr0Gs does not want to learn
[01:14] <aftertaf> hehe franco64
[01:14] <aftertaf> :)
[01:15] <franco64> that just annoys me when people come up and say things are shit when they do not understand things
[01:15] <aftertaf> gratuitous
[01:15] <franco64> he did not know that 10.3.5 could be upgraded to 10.3.9 or maybe he did not know that 10.4 existed
[01:15] <aftertaf> and now he'll never know...
[01:16] <franco64> true
[01:16] <kemik> doesnt upgrades cost$ ?
[01:16] <franco64> well
[01:16] <aftertaf> this isn't the mac os X chan anyway, huh?
[01:16] <franco64> well 10.3.9 is a free uipgrade
[01:16] <aftertaf> kubuntu is free :)
[01:16] <franco64> and 10.4 u do have to pay ;-)
[01:16] <franco64> well sometimes
[01:17] <franco64> that is the reason why i am using this as well
[01:17] <franco64> best of both worlds
[01:17] <franco64> totally agree aftertaf
[01:18] <franco64> has anyone use crossover office
[01:18] <nalioth> kemik: major point upgrades do cost, but all the tenths in between come courtesy of apple
[01:18] <spo0nman> ~java'
[01:18] <franco64> what do u think of it??
[01:18] <spo0nman> ~java
[01:18] <kemik> nalioth:  sort of like the servicepacks in windoze
[01:18] <jatos> hi
[01:19] <franco64> yhjep
[01:19] <franco64> hi jatos
[01:19] <spo0nman> is there a howto on how to get a jvm working? basically to load applets.
[01:19] <nalioth> kemik: very much so (refrains from nasty windoze remark here)
[01:19] <jatos> am I the only one having prioblems with universe?
[01:19] <nalioth> spo0nman: have you been to the java wiki?
[01:19] <kemik> !java
[01:19] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:19] <djfm> funny sentence taken ou of it's context :] 
[01:19] <spo0nman> nalioth: no. link?
[01:20] <kemik> spo0nman:  ^
[01:20] <benkong2> ping
[01:20] <spo0nman> kemik: thanks.
[01:20] <benkong2> hey all got my new breezy 3 installed works great less filling
[01:20] <jatos> can anyone use the universe repository here without error?
[01:21] <benkong2> got one question how do I change from kdm to gdm as login manager?
[01:21] <qt2> i wonder if i'll have to pay any sort of fee's ordering 50 ubuntu cd's at once... <.<;
[01:21] <benkong2> ubotu tell me about display manager
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> no you don't
[01:21] <jatos> benkong2, you got to create a symlink for gdm and remove the symlink for kdm
[01:21] <nalioth> jatos: sure you can (it's unofficial repos and backports that can cause diffeculties)
[01:21] <drummer87> hey, do modprobed modules survive a reboot? i did something with my modules and now i have no sound with my tv (perfect picture though)
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:21] <qt2> as in like, taxes or customs or anything <.<;
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> put them in /etc/modules
[01:22] <benkong2> jatos, ok in what dir?
[01:22] <nalioth> qt2: the customs form on the outside of the pkg, states it's zero value
[01:22] <drummer87> i thought i put everything back the way it was, but i must've done something wrong
[01:23] <jatos> its in /etc/rc5.d I think, though you wi,ll need todo dir
[01:23] <jatos> as its that dir name isn't written in the right case
[01:23] <Sionide> eurgh
[01:23] <Sionide> spam attacks suck
[01:23] <benkong2> jatos, ok thanks
[01:23] <drummer87> HrdwrBoB, hmm.. that's what i thought, but tv sound has just gone.. without goodbye or any error
[01:25] <nalioth> Sionide: identify to nickserv and set yourself +E
[01:25] <benkong2> jatos, funny I have a link to  S99kdm -> ../init.d/kdm and S13gdm -> ../init.d/gdm both in rc5.d
[01:26] <Sionide> i do identify on log in
[01:26] <deFrysk> lilo, ok
[01:26] <jatos> delete the kdm link then benkong2
[01:26] <brownie17> madpilot: is that just becasue no one has been able to create one yet? or becasue it is impossible. i think it is possible.
[01:26] <brownie17> madpilot: virii I mean
[01:26] <qt2> nalioth, ah, i was just reading some of the comments on the faq page is all <.<
[01:27] <benkong2> jatos, done off to reboot thanks...BRB
[01:28] <nalioth> brownie17: it is because of the protected system space (e.g. if a virii comes into a *nix box on a users email, if hte user is logged in as a user (and not root), all the virii is gonna do is inconvenience the user
[01:28] <jatos> I have just been remind of the reason why you should screw in pci cards...
[01:29] <brownie17> madpilot: firefox worked with synaptic
[01:29] <brownie17> nalioth:ok
[01:29] <qt2> nalioth, so if i live in maine, usa, i should have no fee's at all?
[01:29] <brownie17> jatos: hahah, i once ruined a tnt2, when they were new and expenisve by doing that!hahah
[01:29] <minime-> is there ready ubuntu's kernel headers somewhere?
[01:29] <nalioth> qt2: i've gotten several shipments, and havent nary a problem
[01:30] <nalioth> qt2: and i live in Texas, USA
[01:30] <qt2> great.
[01:30] <xophEr> Is there a way to get 'fade out' in xscreensaver to work in ubuntu? The option is faded out in my settings for some reason.. in Debian this worked fine.
[01:30] <qt2> what are they delivered via anyway? usps, fedex, ups?
[01:31] <nalioth> qt2: standard mail (tyvek envelopes)
[01:31] <qt2> ah, i see...
[01:31] <qt2> how many cd's did your shipment have? <.<;
[01:32] <nalioth> qt2: postmarked (at least mine were) the netherlands
[01:32] <nalioth> the latest one has 30
[01:33] <qt2> hm, do they have to deliver them to your door or something? somehow i doubt 100 ubuntu cd's would fit in my mailbox <.<;
[02:14] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else
[02:14] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[02:14] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password accepted - you are now recognized
[02:14] -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- You have no new memos
[02:15] (persia/#ubuntu) aftertaf: You'd have to go *way* back (RedHat 4.0) to find a distro that shipped with esd under enlightenment as default.
[02:15] (revvi/#ubuntu) belutz: thanks man... i tried to find ATI fglrx driver for this mac, but couldn't find any
[02:16] (aftertaf/#ubuntu) persia, thought i was being clever there ..... :/
[02:16] <Belutz> revvi: i think you should buy a new laptop with nvidiaGo :D
[02:17] <Belutz> revvi: sir, are you really want to be the ubuntu official distributor in Indonesia? :D
[02:17] <revvi> belutz: i wish man.. if i could buy that axioo laptop hehehe..
[02:18] <Belutz> revvi: it's only $599 right? but i think the axioo is using intel vga card
[02:19] <revvi> belutz: is intel vga card supported?
[02:19] <Belutz> revvi: hmmm i think so...
[02:21] <hhurtta> whew. some job to get back here
[02:21] <ekimus> is the spambot attack over? i was afk...
[02:22] <hhurtta> its still going on
[02:22] <aftertaf> ekimus, we're in a state of war, dude... :)
[02:25] <ekimus> why doesn't freenode force everybody to register?
[02:26] <thenuke> ekimus: quite a good idea if you ask me, but maybe there is something we dont now take into consider
[02:26] <fabbione> registration is easy to workaround anyway
[02:27] <thenuke> how about this?.. just register if you want to, and umode +E and never get abused by bots =)
[02:27] <thenuke> might be better than forcing everyone to register
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> no, it won't.
[02:28] <thenuke> because?
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> then the bots could join.
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> and flood the channel.
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> they are unregistered.
[02:28] <thenuke> well thats easy to deal with
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> not really.
[02:28] <thenuke> with counter-bots
[02:28] <thenuke> :)
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> erm, counterbots? O_O
[02:29] <thenuke> and by having enough operators
[02:29] <thenuke> Concord_Dawn: bots with scripts
[02:29] <thenuke> bots which recognize flooders and such
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> oh
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> well
[02:29] <thenuke> this chan surely needs them, but does not have any
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> the chanops work well
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> anyone know what services this server has?
[02:30] <thenuke> well most often the flooders have to flood for a long time in here and few other big linux cha ns
[02:30] <Concord_Dawn> tbh
[02:30] <Concord_Dawn> get a services bot.
[02:30] <Concord_Dawn> too bad they use hyperion.
[02:31] <Concord_Dawn> Anope would be very useful.
[02:31] <Concord_Dawn> Just assign a services bot in here, problem solved.
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> now, can someone tell me what's wrong with this line in my oidentd.conf?
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> to 127.0.0.1 lport 6677 from 127.0.0.1 fport 6677 {
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> 		force reply "ircservice"
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> 	}
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> or lines(
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> *
[02:32] <Concord_Dawn> block, whatever.
[02:46] <aftertaf> anyone got any experience with a speedtouch usb modem with 5.04 ??
[02:46] <aftertaf> and the speedtouchconf script?
[02:47] <Concord_Dawn> no, but have you tried the man pages?
[02:48] <Concord_Dawn> 'man speedtouch.conf' (sans '') in a terminal might bring something up
[02:48] <aftertaf> not yet...
[02:48] <aftertaf> looking for the easy way first...
[02:48] <Concord_Dawn> that is the easy way.
[02:48] <Concord_Dawn> it requires no internet connection :-P
[02:51] <aftertaf> its a special script to set up the speedtouch modem... and since i went to ubuntu, i have to remove it and reinstall it every time i boot
[02:51] <aftertaf> or i have no net connection :/
[02:51] <Concord_Dawn> hmm, irritating
[02:51] <brenner> weird ... i keep getting sent to #ubuntu-unregged even though i seem have auto-identify on
[02:51] <Concord_Dawn> brenner, then you aren't auto identifying before you try joining.
[02:52] <Concord_Dawn> if it's all done via script.
[02:52] <topyli> brenner: nickserv is slower than spam :)
[02:52] <aftertaf> '/j #ubuntu' needed :)
[02:52] <Rydekull> Ding ding ding, new kernel out
[02:52] <brenner> topyli: oh! that must be it :)
[02:52] <aftertaf> Rydekull, really? :)
[02:53] <Concord_Dawn> Rydekull, it available in the repos yet?
[02:53] <brenner> topyli: i was wondering what was going on.  my nickserv pswd is definitely entered in prefs.
[02:54] <topyli> brenner: happens to me every time
[02:54] <brenner> topyli: ah, so i'm not alone then :)
[02:55] <topyli> not even close :(
[02:55] <Concord_Dawn> BAH
[02:55] <Concord_Dawn> die oidentd.
[02:55] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone help me with configuring oidentd?
[02:55] <brenner> topyli: worked out  afix?
[02:55] <brenner> *a fix
[02:55] <topyli> no
[02:55] <Rydekull> aftertaf: kernel.org
[02:56] <Rydekull> Concord_Dawn: as a debian-kernel? doubt it, err, ubuntu, sorry
[02:56] <topyli> i just leave #ubuntu-unregged and join #ubuntu. my nick is identified by then
[02:57] <brenner> topyli: ok then
[02:57] <Concord_Dawn> tbh, this net should really switch to Anope services.
[02:57] <Concord_Dawn> botserv wins
[02:58] <brenner> k, my question ... i've always installed the 686 kernel using the linux-686 package .... now it seems lilo is included.  i don't want lilo :)  does installing linux-image packages set everything up for you like the linux-x86 packages do (i.e. set up a grub entry)
[03:00] <topyli> i doubt it's lilo
[03:00] <topyli> see if lilo is installed
[03:00] <aftertaf> 2.6.13...
[03:00] <persia> brenner: It suggests lilo | grub.  If grub is installed, you shouldn't need lilo.
[03:00] <aftertaf> what is the defference/the benefit of installing a kernel source package via apt?
[03:01] <brenner> oh. my mistake ... yes, it was a suggest package
[03:01] <brenner> *suggested package
[03:01] <persia> aftertaf: The ubuntu kernel team looks at it first.  You can make a deb with kernel-package for installation, but it won't have all the nifty patches.
[03:02] <aftertaf> ok....
[03:02] <aftertaf> there are nifty patches then? hehe
[03:02] <aftertaf> same goes for linux-686 -vs- linux-k7 then i gather?
[03:03] <aftertaf> del laptop P III = linux-686 and amd duron at home = linux-k7?
[03:03] <persia> aftertaf: Take a look at linux-patch-ubuntu for details...
[03:04] <aftertaf> persia, "Ubuntu patches to Linux 2.6.10"
[03:04] <pirast> hi, I read something about gcc4 in Breezy... But cat /proc/version says this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1718
[03:04] <aftertaf> should i install the package then? or are they already applied to the kernel package?
[03:05] <persia> aftertaf:That package contains all the "nifty patches" applied to the ubuntu kernels.
[03:05] <aftertaf> oki.
[03:05] <aftertaf> so i can dl them and install to a kernel i download from kernel. org (a pristine kernel) ?
[03:06] <persia> pirast: Breezy will have gcc4.0, but the k7 kernel is currently built with gcc3.4.  Nothing to worry about: it should still work.
[03:06] <pirast> ok, thanks
[03:06] <ssdd65> when ever i press any of the buttions in my xmms it locks up and i have to force close it, it also wont pay my mp3s even though i downloaded the plugins any ideas?
[03:06] <brenner> ssdd65: change the output plugin to esound
[03:06] <aftertaf> ssdd65, sound engine?
[03:06] <aftertaf> which output u using?
[03:06] <Concord_Dawn> ssdd65, do any other media players do that
[03:06] <ssdd65> ahhh
[03:07] <Concord_Dawn> such as Rythymbox?
[03:07] <persia> aftertaf: Well, first they won't apply to a pristine kernel: just the specially modified "orig" kernel from ubuntu.  Secondly, they are for 2.6.10, rather than 2.6.13.  If you don't want to play with kernel internals, avoid this.  Otherwise, have fun.  You might do better to hunt for the ubuntu  patches for 2.6.12 if you really want to patch 2.6.13.
[03:08] <pirast> I am not able to get a soundcard (YMF-740C) to work under Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[03:09] <ssdd65> rythmbox dosnt even see my mp3s....
[03:09] <Concord_Dawn> pirast, have you looked to see if you could find any drivers on the internet for your card?
[03:09] <aftertaf> i want to understand...... that's all.
[03:09] <brenner> pirast: no sound at all?
[03:09] <aftertaf> wouldn't dare apply patches, sounds far too complicated!! :)
[03:09] <pirast> brenner: no, no sound at all :-/
[03:09] <Concord_Dawn> ssdd65, did you follow the instructions from !mp3?
[03:10] <ssdd65> ?
[03:10] <brenner> ssdd65: rythmbox requires the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin for mp3 support
[03:10] <pirast> brenner: under windows it works..
[03:10] <aftertaf> !kernel
[03:10] <ssdd65> o
[03:10] <brenner> ubotu: tell pirast about sound
[03:10] <pirast> nice, thanks..
[03:10] <brenner> pirast: Concord_Dawn  is probably right though ... you may need to install your drivers
[03:10] <pirast> ok
[03:11] <Concord_Dawn> brenner, when you hit tab, it automagically adds a space ;)
[03:11] <pirast> thanks
[03:11] <persia> aftertaf: there's some documentation available in /usr/share/doc if you install the linux-tree pacakge.  More than this, you'd want to ask google or someone on the kernel team.
[03:11] <Digis> hi, i have a problem with ubuntu hoary, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1719
[03:12] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: eh? what does?
[03:12] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone here help me with oidentd?
[03:12] <Concord_Dawn> brenner, XChat
[03:12] <Concord_Dawn> when you hit tab to autocomplete a name...
[03:12] <Concord_Dawn> holy
[03:12] <aftertaf> thx persia ... just understanding what i should install to update my kernel
[03:12] <Concord_Dawn> need I say, netsplit?
[03:12] <aftertaf> hehe Concord_Dawn
[03:12] <aftertaf> totally
[03:12] <Concord_Dawn> tbh, users should have access to /map
[03:13] <Concord_Dawn> O_O
[03:13] <Concord_Dawn> there we go.
[03:13] <Concord_Dawn> yay, relink
[03:13] <aftertaf> * This command is for network staff only
[03:14] <aftertaf> what is map?
[03:14] <clem_yeats> and here come the rescue ! :))
[03:14] <aftertaf> woohoo....
[03:14] <aftertaf> net resticking
[03:14] <Concord_Dawn> aftertaf, it's a command that shows how the network is laid out, what servers are connected to where.
[03:14] <Concord_Dawn> =\
[03:14] <aftertaf> ooooooops
[03:14] <aftertaf> k
[03:14] <Concord_Dawn> someone kill irc.freenode.net
[03:14] <sdefresne> ignore
[03:14] <aftertaf> tks
[03:14] <sdefresne> oups, sorry
[03:14] <aftertaf> de rien ;)
[03:15] <Concord_Dawn> STOP NETSPLITING!
[03:15] <pirast> jupp..
[03:15] <pirast> its ugly
[03:15] <Concord_Dawn> omg
[03:15] <Concord_Dawn> netsplit+++
[03:15] <pirast> do i netsplit too?
[03:15] <Concord_Dawn> yes.
[03:16] <pirast> hmpf :>
[03:16] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[03:16] <Concord_Dawn> we're on different servers
[03:16] <theD3viL> When will breezy come out ?
[03:16] <Concord_Dawn> but the servers are linked together.
[03:16] <Concord_Dawn> .
[03:16] <Concord_Dawn> you think irc.freenode.net is getting attacked? :-P
[03:19] <theD3viL> persia, nono... what will be newer in breezy ;)
[03:19] <Concord_Dawn> omg.
[03:19] <Concord_Dawn> there it goes again.
[03:19] <Concord_Dawn> although, I think our server is getting delinked from the hub.
[03:21] <apokryphos> 13 nicks!
[03:21] <Concord_Dawn> O_O
[03:21] <theD3viL> pirast, when i will dist-upgrade will my documentes, settings will change?
[03:21] <Concord_Dawn> HOLY f*.
[03:21] <brenner> pirast: sounds weird ... "you running perky?" :D lol
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[03:21] <persia> pirast: Is Perky Penguin final?  I thought I heard about that during Warty Warthog days...
[03:21] <mrdeath> why xserver-xorg depends on all xserver-xorg-driver- packages?
[03:22] <mrdeath> i want to purge some unneded
[03:22] <mrdeath> freenode is mad today :)
[03:22] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[03:22] <Concord_Dawn> indeed
[03:22] <pirast> theD3viL: Documents settings etc. will be keeped, yes.
[03:22] <persia> mrdeath: the X server has been broken out into many packages.  The drivers provide the services that used to be in the monolithic package.
[03:22] <theD3viL> pirast, so dist-upgrade is like upgrade ... ?
[03:22] <apokryphos> persia: the name for 6.04 isn't final, but there are a few names floating about
[03:23] <persia> apokryphos: That's what I thought.  Thanks.
[03:23] <mrdeath> persia: but why they need to be installed all?
[03:23] <pirast> hmpf
[03:23] <persia> mrdeath: They allow X to use your mouse, keyboard, and graphics hardware.  Without the drivers, X is not very interactive.
[03:23] <pirast> the German wikipedia says "Perky Penguin"
[03:23] <pirast> -.-
[03:23] <mrdeath> i think that it will be a good idea to make a meta package like 'xorg-core' which depends on all this packages
[03:24] <pirast> theD3viL: Jupp
[03:24] <mrdeath> persia: for example my i855 chipset can works wine without ati and nvidia drivers
[03:24] <mrdeath> persia: so why i need to keep them?
[03:24] <mrdeath> :)
[03:24] <apokryphos> pirast: even if it did, I wouldn't say it was final. It was even mentioned on ubuntu.com that "Grumpy Groundhog" was gonna be 5.10, but it ended up being Breezy Badger
[03:24] <NoHope> hello all
[03:24] <mrdeath> s/works wine/works fine/
[03:25] <pirast> apokryphos: I'll make a discussion so it will be corrected, thanks..
[03:25] <persia> mrdeath: I believe the current dependencies are set up to make upgrades easier.  I suspect you will be able to remove them with the next release (after breezy).  You can remove them now if you want, but you will need to become famliar with the control files, and it's probably not worth it (they don't take too much space).
[03:27] <mrdeath> persia: yes, i know. but i just don't like to keep unnesesarry packages :)
[03:27] <__filip_> can someone try to connect to my ftpserver?
[03:28] <mrdeath> __filip_: i can
[03:28] <mrdeath> s180h105hbby2.dyn.tyfon.se?
[03:28] <Concord_Dawn> can someone help me with configuring oidentd/
[03:28] <Concord_Dawn> ?
[03:29] <persia> If you are willing to manage the low level packages, you may be able to remove (or modify) xserver-xorg.  You may also need to remove or modify x-window-system-core.  If you do this, the automatic package removal system will not work as well.
[03:31] <NoHope> ubotu tell me about repos
[03:31] <Rockett18> !repositories
[03:31] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:31] <pirast> lol
[03:31] <pirast> I love this bot
[03:33] <aftertaf> he must have a lot of undocumented featrues!
[03:34] <brenner> !1+1
[03:34] <ubotu> 2
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> !4+3
[03:34] <ubotu> 7
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> w0000
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> !4*4
[03:34] <ubotu> 16
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> :)
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> wonder if it does brackets
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> !(4+4)*2
[03:34] <ubotu> 16
[03:34] <Concord_Dawn> nice
[03:34] <brenner> anyway, we should use /msg ubotu if we want to play with it
[03:35] <Concord_Dawn> !4+4*2
[03:35] <ubotu> 12
[03:35] <Concord_Dawn> :(
[03:35] <robodex> hmm. interesting. By default, the openoffice dictionary thinks "Debian" is a word but not "Ubuntu" :(
[03:35] <brenner> the ops get angry :)
[03:35] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: why the sad face? that's correct :)
[03:35] <persia> robodex: Please submit a bug.  That should be fixed.
[03:35] <Concord_Dawn> it does BEDMAS
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> I was expecting it not to
[03:36] <robodex> lol
[03:36] <brenner> hehe
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> it's better at math then I am.
[03:36] <aftertaf> :)
[03:36] <robodex> should I really, or are you just pulling my leg
[03:36] <aftertaf> !pi
[03:36] <ubotu> Not a clue, aftertaf
[03:36] <aftertaf> ahhhh ha!
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> !3.14
[03:36] <apokryphos> robodex: as does dictionary.com
[03:36] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[03:36] <aftertaf> :)
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> !4^4
[03:36] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: I give up, what is it?
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> O_O
[03:36] <apokryphos> Concord_Dawn: please don't play with the bot in here; best in /msg
[03:36] <brenner> it would be in the african dictionary though
[03:36] <Micksa> !4**4
[03:36] <ubotu> 256
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> it doesn't do exponents?
[03:36] <Concord_Dawn> ohs.
[03:37] <Concord_Dawn> ;)
[03:37] <robodex> it's just that I'd think the ubuntu "version" of ooo would have the name of the OS in the dictionary
[03:37] <Micksa> teehee
[03:37] <Micksa> I mean
[03:37] <Micksa> ow.
[03:38] <tylere> Has anyone gotten the Adobe Reader 7 to work on AMD64? It sigaborts on me
[03:38] <apokryphos> robodex: ubuntu doesn't have a different dictionary for the conventional dictionary
[03:38] <Concord_Dawn> it should :)
[03:38] <tylere> Concord_Dawn: ?
[03:38] <Concord_Dawn> was talking to apokryphos
[03:39] <Concord_Dawn> although it should work tylere, unless you need a kernel patch of somekind?
[03:39] <robodex> fair enough. it's not difficult to add "Ubuntu" to the dictionary, I just thought it was an interesting tidbit
[03:39] <adjacent> yeh, lets further fragment linux so that no two distros even load the same english dictionaries anymore...
[03:40] <robodex> why not? :p
[03:41] <aftertaf> loool Concord_Dawn
[03:41] <aftertaf> it should sigfault :) mrff!
[03:41] <xophEr> is kernel 2.6.13 going to be released for breezy?
[03:41] <Concord_Dawn> indeed
[03:41] <Concord_Dawn> tbh, what about just having an extra dictionary with all the Ubuntu words in it.
[03:41] <Concord_Dawn> so it loads two dictionaries.
[03:41] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone help me with oidentd?
[03:41] <robodex> maybe petition the ooo people to add "ubuntu" to the default dictionary :P
[03:42] <Concord_Dawn> indeed
[03:42] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[03:42] <Concord_Dawn> you should check if Ubuntu is in the african dictionary (if there is one)
[03:42] <adjacent> i like robodex' idea best. otherwise you mail a doc to someone not running ubuntu and they see a bunch of spelling errors...
[03:43] <robodex> it probably is, but afaik whatever dialect the word "Ubuntu" is from doesn't use roman letters...
[03:43] <benkong2> ping
[03:44] <cemc> pong
[03:44] <Pickle_Weasel> i need a firefox java client =\
[03:44] <robodex> dude! I want to use OOO in zulu
[03:44] <benkong2> ack
[03:44] <aftertaf> gone OO2beta
[03:44] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell Pickle_Weasel about java
[03:44] <robodex> Pickle_Weasel, www.ubuntuguide.org - should get you started in the right direction (has instructions for firefox java)
[03:44] <persia> !ubuntuguide
[03:44] <Pickle_Weasel> ty ^.^
[03:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[03:45] <apokryphos> robodex: no, that'll get them start in exactly the wrong direction
[03:45] <robodex> :(
[03:45] <apokryphos> s/start/started
[03:45] <persia> !java
[03:45] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:45] <brenner> robodex: you mean, has commands. :)
[03:45] <robodex> yes
[03:45] <robodex> which were fine for me ^_^
[03:45] <Concord_Dawn> robodex, just use ubotu's tell feature.
[03:45] <benkong2> is breezy supposed to have some sort of boot screen to not display console msgs? I get a 640x480 ubuntu screen with a beige box nothing in it for a moment then back to the console when bootinh.
[03:45] <persia> Pickle_Weasel: Listen to our favorite bot: it is the repository of all wisdom.
[03:45] <apokryphos> benkong2: yes, but it's kind of busted at the moment for many setups
[03:45] <brenner> nce.  an official FAQ for breezy?
[03:45] <brenner> *nice
[03:45] <apokryphos> correct
[03:46] <benkong2> apokryphos, aha! so not to worry then I'll wait
[03:46] <robodex> hmm are they finally putting a splash screen in breezy?
[03:46] <apokryphos> brenner: there is going to be a *lot* more documentation for Breezy in general
[03:46] <brenner> apokryphos: excellent
[03:46] <adjacent> whats the release schedule for brezzy?
[03:46] <apokryphos> robodex: I think you mean usplash, rather; yes, they're planning on one.
[03:46] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[03:46] <Concord_Dawn> !splash
[03:46] <ubotu> breezyschedule is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[03:46] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Wish i knew
[03:46] <robodex> right now I'm using splashy with no problems in Hoary (not going to upgrade to Breezy until it's done; I made that mistake with Hoary and it cost me)
[03:47] <Concord_Dawn> !gnomesplash
[03:47] <robodex> no, I'm using splashy
[03:47] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Do they come in packets of five?
[03:47] <benkong2> is the chroot documentation for a 32bit firefox stable for use with breezy. AMD64 3200+ nvidia machine
[03:47] <adjacent> ahh, nice
[03:47] <benkong2> what is !breezyschedule?
[03:48] <adjacent> ubotu breezyschedule is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[03:48] <ubotu> ...but breezyschedule is already something else...
[03:48] <persia> benkong2: It asks ubotu to tell us all about the Breezy Badger schedule.
[03:48] <benkong2> persia, thanks
[03:48] <apokryphos> adjacent: I've already set it, as you can see
[03:48] <adjacent> apokryphos: i was just repeating to benkong2  =)
[03:48] <NoHope> Is it possible to know if some index is auto_increment?
[03:48] <brenner> benkong2: haven't you been here before? :)
[03:49] <NoHope> ops... bad channel
[03:49] <brenner> i'm sure i've seen you
[03:49] <benkong2> brenner, yes but as hoary not breezy
[03:49] <benkong2> just did that last night
[03:49] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1720
[03:49] <brenner> benkong2: hehe, no.  just thought you would've seen an ubotu trigger by now
[03:50] <benkong2> brenner, no I do ubotu show repos or something like that
[03:50] <robodex> heh I didn't use ubuntu for about three months (had problems with 3D rendering which turned me off to the distro completely) so this is my first time in here in about that long
[03:50] <robodex> aside from the other night when I had a small problem with sound
[03:51] <benkong2> anyway I got hoary 32 bit running on my amd64 laptop using qemu and I put breezy on my 64 bit desktop last night works great so far just got to get around that flash bit and java thing
[03:52] <brenner> benkong2: flash and java are borked in 64 iirc
[03:52] <apokryphos> there is no flash in 64-bit, of course
[03:52] <apokryphos> not sure if it's working with chroot
[03:52] <benkong2> hmmm...yes macromedia is slow on 64 flash
[03:53] <apokryphos> Firefox itself has been a bit shaky in breezy lately, but recent checkouts seem to be shaping up.
[03:53] <benkong2> My thought was a 32bit firefox install in chroot
[03:53] <brenner> apokryphos: from all the firefox complaints i've seen, bugs don't seem to be restricted to breezy
[03:54] <apokryphos> indeed, but it's not my browser of choice =)
[03:55] <brenner> apokryphos: neither is it mine :)
[03:55] <marcin_ant> hi all again
[03:55] <marcin_ant> any breezy user here?
[03:55] <benkong2> brenner, can I install java 5.0 for use with my Eclipse IDE in breezy?
[03:56] <brenner> er, no idea .. never used eclipse ... or breezy :)
[03:56] <apokryphos> brenner: Opera?
[03:56] <benkong2> k //-}
[03:57] <brenner> apokryphos: mozilla.
[03:57] <brenner> doens't opera have those ads or something?
[03:57] <apokryphos> brenner: are there really any advantages to using that over ff?
[03:57] <benkong2> anybody using deer park?
[03:57] <apokryphos> brenner: for the free version, yes; though, that actually pretty minor (i.e. not distracting at all, at least for me).
[03:58] <apokryphos> *they actually are
[03:58] <aftertaf> !deer park
[03:58] <ubotu> aftertaf: What?
[03:58] <aftertaf> lol
[03:58] <brenner> apokryphos: *chuckle* good question.  same gecko engine right?  i really don't know.  i use it cos i'm so used to it...but i've never found the problems people seem to be having with ff
[03:59] <benkong2> !deer park
[03:59] <apokryphos> brenner: same engine, yes; it's not developed anymore too, I believe.
[03:59] <aftertaf> 1.0.6 does crash
[04:00] <brenner> apokryphos: oh? wasn't aware of it being dropped actually
[04:01] <brenner> apokryphos: as a gnome user .. i wouldn't know of konquerer's goodness :)  i did hear it passed the acid2 test though
[04:01] <apokryphos> yup, indeed. :)
[04:02] <brenner> aftertaf: what's the latest version again?
[04:03] <bretzel>  Hi, Q: How to disable completely GRUB on automatic updates? 'cause I have insttalled another distro on my comp. and I've setup its bootloader to boot ubuntu.
[04:03] <brenner> apokryphos: not that the acid2 test means everything though. :)
[04:03] <marcin_ant> anyone  knows what is this network applet in notification area in breezy?
[04:04] <marcin_ant> I had this applet after fresh breezy installation
[04:04] <marcin_ant> and now after reboot this applet disappeared
[04:05] <bretzel> marcin_ant: You cannot guess its name in the "applet" submenu ?
[04:05] <persia> bretzel: You can uninstall grub from your ubuntu environment, and it won't update on kernel updates.  You'll need to manage it manually in your other distro.
[04:05] <apokryphos> brenner: indeed, but KHTML is looking good. The fact that current Safari developers were more knowledgable with gecko and compared, then went for khtml is really quite interesting :)
[04:05] <marcin_ant> brenner, it is not applet
[04:06] <marcin_ant> brenner, this is why I cannot find this stuff in applet menu
[04:06] <brenner> marcin_ant: why're you telling me? :D
[04:06] <aleitner> anybody tried to run ubuntu (hoary or breezy) on a mac mini?
[04:06] <marcin_ant> brenner, it's something that runs in notification area
[04:06] <marcin_ant> brenner, oops
[04:06] <marcin_ant> brenner, sorry
[04:06] <bretzel> persia: Thanks for the hint. what if I simply delete its /boot/grub subdir ?
[04:07] <marcin_ant> bretzel, this is not applet - it's tool that runs in notification area
[04:07] <brenner> apokryphos: lol....very subtle.  i guess i need to .....switch to KDE? *thunder strike, eerie music*
[04:07] <bretzel> marcin_ant: sorry :-) I am not aware of any breezy stuff ....
[04:08] <apokryphos> brenner: whatever blows your hair back 8)
[04:08] <persia> bretzel: You don't want to do that: it will confuse the packaging system.  Just run `sudo aptitude remove grub`.  Mind you, you *need* to have a bootloader working for this to be safe...
[04:08] <marcin_ant> bretzel, ok got it now
[04:08] <marcin_ant> bretzel, it's called 'netapplet'
[04:08] <rusty> t
[04:09] <aftertaf> brenner, i like kde :)
[04:09] <bretzel> persia: I do have ( lilo wich I prefer over yet powerfull GRUB) but I am scared that if I remove GRUB, the script will reset the mba at the known previous state :-)
[04:10] <brenner> aftertaf: that's nice :)
[04:10] <apokryphos> heh, opera's progress on acid2: http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2005/08/update-on-operas-acid2-progress.html
[04:10] <rusty> how do I get and install midnight commander?
[04:10] <bretzel> marcin_ant: cool! how it looks btw ?
[04:10] <marcin_ant> bretzel, pretty nice
[04:11] <marcin_ant> bretzel, something simmilar to networkManager
[04:11] <bretzel> :-) I wish  we can have it in hoary then :-)
[04:11] <persia> bretzel: I don't see a /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub.prerm on my system.  If you don't have one either, I think it won't reset the MBR.  Can anyone confirm?
[04:12] <marcin_ant> bretzel, some info http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/15233.html
[04:12] <marcin_ant> bretzel, and screenshots
[04:12] <persia> rusty: aptitude install mc
[04:12] <brenner> apokryphos: getting close ... only one red ear to go :)
[04:12] <rusty> thanks persia
[04:13] <bretzel> persia: You are kind for helping me :-)
[04:13] <bretzel> marcin_ant: cool thanks!
[04:14] <persia> Seveas: Is it true that if there is no /var/lib/dpkg/pkgname.prerm file, no script will be run on package removal?
[04:14] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1720
[04:15] <Seveas> persia, afaik yes
[04:15] <persia> Seveas: Thanks.
[04:15] <persia> bretzel: Seveas is usually right.  It should be safe to remove without any adverse effects.
[04:15] <bretzel> Thanks persia, Seveas!
[04:16] <Seveas> was there a netsplit earlier today?
[04:16] <brenner> sure was
[04:16] <persia> Seveas: Many.  The servers were also rebooted.
[04:16] <Seveas> half of the channel is in #ubuntu-unregged now
[04:16] <Zhukov> Seveas, are you there?
[04:16] <Zhukov> i need to have a word with you
[04:17] <Seveas> too bad, spambots are still here
[04:17] <opossumjack> could anyone help me? I've just installed ubuntu on my laptop but I have never been asked to setup root password.... What can I do to use my root account?
[04:17] <Seveas> Zhukov, sounds serious, 'sup?
[04:17] <Seveas> opossumjack, by default there is no root pass
[04:17] <Seveas> !root
[04:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:17] <Zhukov> :) Seveas nothing serious, i was just wondering you can let me update my java 1.4 packages through your server
[04:18] <Seveas> Zhukov, *g*
[04:18] <Seveas> msg me a user/pass coimbination
[04:18] <TPC> so, my dad bought the last parts to his new computer today
[04:18] <TPC> and I'm helping him install the hardware
[04:18] <TPC> he's going to use his old hdd because its not too old
[04:18] <TPC> and it has ubuntu installed on it
[04:18] <cemc> a question on this disabled root account...
[04:18] <TPC> anything I should do with it before putting it in the new computer so he can run it without having to reinstall?
[04:19] <cemc> if you shut down uncleanly, and at startup ubuntu wants you to run an fsck manually...
[04:19] <bretzel> persia: done, but I did this best-friend "sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=~/mbr bs=512 count=1" before removing grub....:-)
[04:19] <cemc> it won't ask for the root pass ?
[04:19] <opossumjack> I'm trying with no password but I can't log in
[04:19] <Seveas> cemc, not if you did not set one
[04:20] <Seveas> opossumjack, read that page
[04:20] <Seveas> you can not (and SHOULD not) logina s root
[04:20] <Seveas> you can become root with sudo
[04:20] <persia> bretzel: Wise.  Did it cause any issues, or did it work?
[04:20] <brenner> TPC: not sure i get you ... he has ubuntu installed on a HDD already, and you want to just plug it into his new computer, hoping you don't have to do a new install?
[04:20] <cemc> hm, i'll have to try that ;)
[04:21] <Concord_Dawn> O_O
[04:21] <bretzel> persia: no at this moment, did uninstall greacefully. Have to check it on next reboot tho:-)
[04:21] <cemc> what will happen if i just reset the comp
[04:21] <topyli> oh, hardware breaks and is replaced around old debian installs all the time :)
[04:21] <TPC> brenner, yes.. since ubuntu auto-detects most hardware at boot it should be able to at least get into console mode
[04:22] <cemc> Seveas: it won't ask you? it will just drop you to a shell ?
[04:22] <bretzel> persia: ah, just a warning telling that grub subdir is not empty - thus not removed :-) good!
[04:22] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1720
[04:22] <Seveas> cemc, if you did not set a root password it will say 'hit enter to login as root or ctrl+d to continue'
[04:22] <Rug> Howdy all
[04:23] <brenner> TPC: i'm not sure really. :)  it sounds ok by theory though
[04:23] <bretzel> rebooting to verify ... see you thanks again!
[04:23] <cemc> Seveas: ok, thx
[04:23] <TPC> brenner, but I probably have to re-configure X manually
[04:23] <Rug> Has anybody ever heard of a "Grub error 22" being caused by a bad power-supply?
[04:23] <opossumjack> Seveas, thanks a lot, now it works, eh eh eh...
[04:23] <persia> Concord_Dawn: I know nothing about oidentd, but as noone else has said anything for a while, you might try http://linuxreviews.org/man/oidentd.conf/
[04:24] <brenner> TPC: probably....your old config files will still be on the disk
[04:24] <Concord_Dawn> persia, that's just the man page, read that. It doesn't help.
[04:24] <TPC> brenner, I know
[04:24] <Concord_Dawn> I've gone over all the documentation.
[04:24] <persia> Concord_Dawn: Sorry then.
[04:24] <Concord_Dawn> it's ok, at least you tried :)
[04:25] <anticop> Hi!
[04:25] <anticop> i have intel 536 EP dialup modem
[04:25] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: my guess from the error, is that is a global config file...and you're using syntax meant for a user defined config file ... or something
[04:25] <brenner> *that it is a
[04:25] <anticop> i'm trying to connect to internet
[04:25] <Concord_Dawn> brenner, I looked, I'm using the global config syntax.
[04:25] <Concord_Dawn> really
[04:25] <moo> what's a good gui based ftp client besides gftp?
[04:25] <anticop> but I must use driver first
[04:25] <herrpoon> hi does anyone know an answer for this post:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35988&highlight=resolution+vnc
[04:25] <Concord_Dawn> the example looks almost identical to min
[04:25] <Concord_Dawn> mine*
[04:26] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: which is line 22? :P
[04:26] <Twiggy> Is Breezy still a big no-no or is it fair game for brave folks?
[04:26] <moo> what's a good gui based ftp client besides gftp?
[04:26] <Concord_Dawn> line with user { on it
[04:26] <bretzel> here again, worked. But have to check on next kernel updates ...
[04:26] <anticop> when I tried to compile my driver it said
[04:26] <anticop> that I must
[04:26] <Concord_Dawn> Twiggy, fair game for the brave.
[04:26] <anticop> get kernel source
[04:26] <anticop> how to do that??/\
[04:26] <persia> Twiggy: Breezy is up for testing, but you'll probably do better to start with Colony 3: X is uninstallable today.
[04:26] <moo> KBEAR!?
[04:26] <Twiggy> Concord_Dawn: Colony 3?
[04:26] <Rug> it was actually interesting.  I couldn't boot, so I tried installing XP, (for shits & giggles).  Windows wouldn't install either..  (It couldn't find a usable partition) ***BUT fdisk was working..  wierd but cool.
[04:27] <Concord_Dawn> Twiggy, nfi.
[04:27] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: maybe you don't need the user{} then ... just have default{...}.   (note: just a stab, never used oident)
[04:27] <Seveas> Zhukov, stull here?
[04:27] <moo> I WILL USE THE KBEAR THEN, BECAUSE THE GFTP IS UNUSABLE AND CRASHES EACH TIME I MOVE TOO FAST
[04:27] <persia> Twiggy: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009741.html
[04:27] <aftertaf> bye all !
[04:27] <Twiggy> persia: thankya
[04:27] <ompaul> after installing gnome-lokkit starting to do the setup and cancelling the setup I ended up with a box that was not working eariler today - I did iptables -F but that just put it in a state to drop all packets :( anyway I will fix it when I go back but I was wondering if anyone else had come across it, or was it just me remember iptables -F set all to drop I think this is a bit of a retrograde step myself :) anyone see this, (don
[04:28] <Concord_Dawn> brenner, in the global config, the user { line specifies that particular user's privelges, such as spoofing other users and on privileged ports.
[04:28] <noddaba> Is there a gui or something to aid people in editing their fstab?  trying to help a new linux user add an additional hard drive to their system, and trying to avoid having them edit the fstab manually
[04:28] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: ah, ok.   like i said, never used it. sorry. :-/
[04:28] <Seveas> noddaba, there will be in breezy
[04:28] <Turtlewind> Hi - can I ask a question about Breezy Colony 3?
[04:28] <Seveas> automaounting win/mac partitions in hoary can be done with a little script i made
[04:28] <Seveas> Turtlewind, sure
[04:29] <Turtlewind> Just in general, does it work properly yet?
[04:29] <Turtlewind> I'm getting a new PC, and was wondering whether to install that or stick with Hoary
[04:29] <noddaba> Seveas, ah, ok.  thanks.  Is this script posted anywhere?
[04:29] <apokryphos> Turtlewind: generally, yes.
[04:29] <Seveas> Turtlewind, it still has some very rough edges
[04:29] <ompaul> Turtlewind, it is not a release so it may work today and tomorrow all could be very broke
[04:29] <persia> Turtlewind: Not yet: it needs testing.  If you are willing to file bugs, most things kinda work most days.  If not, stick with Hoary for another six or seven weeks.
[04:29] <Seveas> noddaba, ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:30] <anticop> how to run gnome-ppp ???
[04:30] <Turtlewind> OK - I'll give it a try then, and I've still got my Hoary CD if it's all too scary
[04:31] <Turtlewind> Thanks a lot everyone
[04:31] <noddaba> Seveas, thanks
[04:31] <ompaul> Turtlewind, enjoy it
[04:31] <anticop> please tell me how I can run gnome-ppp???????????
[04:32] <Rayen> Hi, I was wondering, which release I need for Ubuntu on my P4 2.6GHz for desktop/gaming use?
[04:32] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1720
[04:32] <DjKritical> Hoary Hedgehog
[04:32] <persia> anticop: I don't use it, but it appears you can launch it by entering "gnome-ppp" on a command line.
[04:33] <persia> Rayen: Today, Hoary Hedgehog.
[04:33] <ompaul> Rayen the current release is Hoary Hedgehog 5.04
[04:33] <Crusty_> hi
[04:33] <DjKritical> Rayen, You always download the newest relase (they come out every few months).... it's supported for 18 months or something... The most recent is Hoary Hedgehog (Ubuntu version 5.04)
[04:33] <Crusty_> kann mir jemand mit swat helfen wenn ich die ip in den browser eingib dann bringt er das die seite nicht gefunden wurde
[04:34] <Seveas> Rayen, ubuntu hoary
[04:34] <Rayen> DjKritical hmm, how old is Hoary 5.04 ?
[04:35] <Seveas> Rayen, 4 months
[04:35] <Seveas> in 2 months the next version will be released
[04:35] <DjKritical> Rayen, well.. a new version is coming out in October.. and I think a new one comes out every 6 months... so 4 months old
[04:36] <Deansweb2004> 1
[04:36] <brenner> gee, what's with all the joining/leaving? :-/
[04:36] <brenner> i thought people recovered from the netsplit ages ago
[04:36] <ompaul> that aint a netsplit
[04:37] <DjKritical> brenner, idling has gone out of fashion, these days it's rejoining that's the new fad
[04:37] <DjKritical> crazy youth of today!
[04:37] <brenner> DjKritical: heh.  indeed.
[04:37] <Seveas> brenner, they are spambots
[04:38] <Seveas> but they are quite useless with the new server features
[04:38] <ompaul> seveas PM?
[04:38] <brenner> Seveas: ah, ok.  good to hear we're protected
[04:38] <Seveas> ompaul, k
[04:39] <DjKritical> wow.. whoever runs them has a lot of hosts
[04:39] <vader1102> wow, I didn't have to /join lol
[04:40] <Seveas> DjKritical, infected windows machines
[04:40] <brenner> *chuckle* ... CelineDion
[04:40] <Seveas> stupid windows...
[04:40] <vader1102> For some reason my Evolution mail is having a problem sending my email
[04:41] <frans-th> anyone: what is collony 3? breeze colony 3
[04:41] <brenner> milestone release
[04:41] <persia> frans-th: It is explained at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009741.html
[04:41] <ompaul> vader1102 look done to the bottom corner of the screen, if there is an 'unplugged' plug and socket click on them and away you go :)
[04:41] <DjKritical> Is it not possible woah
[04:41] <DjKritical> *woah
[04:42] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else
[04:42] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[04:42] <Seveas> goddamnit
[04:42] <Seveas> more splits
[04:42] <vader1102> it says online
[04:43] <brenner> heh...isn't lilo a freenode senior?  guess they aren't invincible either
[04:43] <Crasp> hello, when i use places -> network servers and i try to connect to a place with the ssh(sftp/scp) protocol it keeps on telling me that it cannot connect while commandline scp works.. how can i make it work in network servers?
[04:43] <frans-th> i own ubuntu.or.id
[04:43] <frans-th> anytips for this domain?
[04:43] <Pie-maker> flood of some sort?
[04:43] <ompaul> vadar1102 try to send yourself a mail
[04:44] <vader1102> k
[04:44] <Seveas> frans-th, get smurfix to forward ubuntu-id.org to it
[04:44] <ompaul> pit-maker no the split rejoined the sync in back :)
[04:44] <frans-th> Seveas: i email Matthias also,
[04:44] <brenner> ompaul: don't you use tab-complete? :)
[04:44] <frans-th> Seveas: is there a contact, so i can replicate ubuntu.com website to here?
[04:44] <kyle> anybody here running ubuntu breezy and having mysql (post-)instalation problems?
[04:44] <ompaul> brenner not in sirc :( this is not my usual box
[04:45] <Seveas> frans-th, that's not easily possible
[04:45] <vader1102> ompaul, not going through
[04:45] <kamikazesponge> hey cemc
[04:45] <brenner> ompaul: bummer
[04:45] <kamikazesponge> cemc: i managed to set up openvpn on linux and use windows-clients
[04:45] <frans-th> Seveas: i just need the plone stuff, we will use indonesian languge
[04:45] <vader1102> ompaul, it just started this a few minutes ago
[04:45] <Seveas> frans-th, they can't give it
[04:45] <ompaul> vadar1102 what error is it giving or are they all in your outbox?
[04:45] <Seveas> I've been asking the same a while back
[04:46] <Seveas> I ended up using my own engine and translating & transforming the text
[04:46] <vader1102> no error, it just sits there trying to send my email, all of which are very small and only text
[04:46] <Zhukov> Seveas, i cant log in :S
[04:46] <frans-th> SEveas: no problem, i have a blogger from rollerweblogger.org, i think this is enough..
[04:46] <Crasp> hello, when i use places -> network servers and i try to connect to a place with the ssh(sftp/scp) protocol it keeps on telling me that it cannot connect while commandline scp works.. how can i make it work in network servers?
[04:46] <Seveas> Zhukov, i said: msg me a user/pass and I'll let you in
[04:46] <frans-th> Seveas: i just wait the ubuntu-id@list.ubuntu.com approve, so we have mailing list already
[04:47] <kamikazesponge> what lib contains gzopen?
[04:47] <thongta> hi all, i need help
[04:47] <Zhukov> Seveas, i did
[04:47] <thongta> i wanna Java programming in Ubuntu
[04:47] <kyle> thongta: java isn't free :P
[04:47] <kamikazesponge> thongta: tried apt-cache search java?
[04:47] <thongta> :(
[04:47] <maddler> java is evil!
[04:48] <thongta> plz tell me step by step
[04:48] <Zhukov> thongta, whats the problem?
[04:48] <thongta> i'm a new bie
[04:48] <frans-th> thongta: you can install java from sun, but remember the.bin version, work here
[04:48] <Zhukov> thongta, w8 a second
[04:48] <thongta> ok, thz
[04:48] <kyle> maddler: and java in ppc is just a pita :)
[04:48] <frans-th> java is evil :) but after Apache Harmony finish, will make it become an heaven?? will it?
[04:48] <kamikazesponge> thongta: it is described on the wiki how apt-get and apt-cache works, try reading that first
[04:48] <Seveas> Zhukov, I got no message
[04:48] <maddler> kyle: indeed :D
[04:49] <maddler> thongta: thee sould be
[04:49] <maddler> a thread on ubuntu forums...
[04:49] <bytefoo> how do i get my Fn keys working in ubuntu
[04:49] <kamikazesponge> but does anyone know what lib contains gzopen?
[04:49] <kyle> (mysql-server in breezy seems plain broken)
[04:49] <kamikazesponge> maddler: i read something about it on the wiki
[04:49] <Zhukov> add these lines to your etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java
[04:49] <Zhukov> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[04:49] <Concord_Dawn> kyle, that's probably true.
[04:49] <Zhukov> abd install the sun packages for java, search for them in synaptic
[04:49] <thongta> i know how to use apt-get
[04:50] <kamikazesponge> then use it for downloading java compilers..
[04:50] <maddler> kamikazesponge: try dpkg -s
[04:50] <maddler> dpkg -S
[04:50] <maddler> sorry
[04:50] <kamikazesponge> maddler: what's dpkg?
[04:50] <brenner> Zhukov: warty repos!?
[04:50] <Concord_Dawn> Zhukov, warty repos?
[04:50] <brenner> Concord_Dawn: copycat
[04:50] <Zhukov> brenner, they are there? ho
[04:50] <maddler> kamikazesponge: command line package manager/installer
[04:50] <kyle> Concord_Dawn: yup, but it's been this way for 6 weeks or so... I think I'll have to compile it myself or something :)
[04:50] <Zhukov> sorry...
[04:50] <thongta> ohh, i use hoary
[04:50] <brenner> Zhukov: he's probably running warty...bad idea to mix afaik
[04:51] <thongta> dont warty
[04:51] <brenner> *running hoary >_<
[04:51] <kamikazesponge> maddler: so i type dpkg -S gzopen and it finds nothing, did i do something wrong?
[04:51] <vader1102> ompaul, me thinks I have found a bug lol, they finally sent but not without me having to go to each of them and "re-send"them
[04:51] <vader1102> brb
[04:51] <thongta> hey all, i was install java packet
[04:52] <persia> kamikazesponge: apt-file search gzopen only returns php docs.  Is this a PHP function?
[04:52] <maddler> kamikazesponge: -Swill show all pckages containing given file...
[04:52] <thongta> i can compile file HelloWorld.java to HelloWorld.class
[04:52] <ompaul> vader1102 shut it down and if it happens again document it
[04:52] <thongta> but i can run java HelloWorld
[04:52] <thongta> sorry, i cant do that
[04:52] <kamikazesponge> persia: i don't know, ./configure from ettercap asks for it
[04:52] <__filip_> what is the command to copy an dir ?
[04:52] <Sephy|X> Has anyone here installed the D-Link dwl-610 wireless adapter on the 2.6 kernel?
[04:52] <bytefoo> how do i get my Fn keys on my laptop working in ubuntu
[04:52] <kamikazesponge> __filip_: cp
[04:52] <persia> __filip_: cp -Pra src dest
[04:53] <persia> __filip_: OOps!  That's cp -pRa src dest
[04:53] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> hi there
[04:53] <ompaul> kamikazesponge why is it that you want to compile it?
[04:53] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> just a little question
[04:53] <maddler> kamikazesponge: try installing zlib
[04:53] <kamikazesponge> ompaul: to use it?
[04:53] <kamikazesponge> maddler: ok
[04:53] <Random_Sindrom> Ov3r: hi
[04:53] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> how do i download kernel modules for hoary 5.0.4
[04:54] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> ?
[04:54] <maddler> kamikazesponge: but couldn you use supplied package?
[04:54] <persia> Ov3rReAcTiOn: What sort of module do you need?
[04:54] <kamikazesponge> maddler: for as far as i know ettercap comes only in source
[04:54] <ompaul> kamikazesponge, does it not install with apt ?
[04:54] <kamikazesponge> ompaul: good point, didn't try that yet
[04:54] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> i need to compile the i915 xorg driver
[04:54] <maddler> kamikazesponge: no... a packages is available...
[04:54] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> but i need to have the kernel sources
[04:55] <ompaul> maddler we have him on the right track
[04:55] <kamikazesponge> maddler: on the official site?
[04:55] <maddler> kamikazesponge: apt-get install ettercap
[04:55] <persia> kamikazesponge: There is a package for hoary, in universe.
[04:55] <ompaul> kami no try your own box
[04:55] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> i'm not very use to work with ubuntu i'm just testing on my laptop
[04:55] <kamikazesponge> E: Couldn't find package ettercap
[04:55] <persia> Ov3rReAcTiOn: You can get the modified kernel sources by installing linux-tree
[04:55] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: apt-cache search linux-source and then install the one that matches 'uname -r'
[04:55] <maddler> kamikazesponge: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:55] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> okay
[04:56] <brenner> or maybe that. :-/
[04:56] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> tell me something
[04:56] <kamikazesponge> maddler: ok
[04:56] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> i'm having a bit problems with my graphic drivers
[04:56] <persia> !ubuntuguide
[04:56] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[04:56] <persia> !repositories
[04:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:56] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> its an intel graphics 915gm
[04:56] <borfast> hi everyone
[04:57] <brenner> ubotu: tell ompaul about compiling
[04:57] <brenner> :D
[04:57] <maddler> persia: got it... :)
[04:57] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: what sort of problems?
[04:57] <ompaul> brenner thank you :)
[04:57] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> simply dont work
[04:58] <ompaul> !compiling
[04:58] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: need more info...can't start X? no 3d? what?
[04:58] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> no 3d
[04:58] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> and i just start x with vesa driver
[04:58] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> sucks
[04:59] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> and i'm trying to get my intel driver working
[04:59] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: *nod* i'm guessing you have integrated graphics?
[04:59] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> yes
[04:59] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> and share memory
[04:59] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> its a hp laptop
[04:59] <Sephy|X> Anyone have any experience with the D-Link DWL-610 wireless adapter?
[05:00] <kamikazesponge> thanks for the hint about repositories! ^^
[05:00] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, can u help me so..
[05:01] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: need to work out which driver will give you 3d support
[05:01] <Tallia1[UbuntU] 2> hi, i'm quite new in linux system, i've used it for 4 months on a adsl connection behind an hardware firewall, now i'll spend a year in a university campus, do you think that is better if i install a personal firewall?
[05:01] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> okay
[05:02] <elmago> hi guys
[05:02] <brenner> s/need to/you need to
[05:02] <brenner> :)
[05:02] <apokryphos> hi elmago
[05:03] <Tallia1[UbuntU] 2> brenner: are you speaking with me?
[05:03] <elmago> i want to mount a new ext3 partion can someone tell me what i have to add in my fstab
[05:03] <elmago> its /dev/hda5
[05:03] <brenner> Tallia1[UbuntU] 2: not right now. no :)
[05:03] <elmago> and/media/daten
[05:03] <elmago> but what else do i have to add
[05:04] <elmago> how does the hole line look like?
[05:04] <brenner> Tallia1[UbuntU] 2: but to answer your question, afaik, firewall and antivirus isn't really necessary on linux boxes ... i could be wrong though
[05:04] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, i already download kernel source i'm gonna try to compile driver let's see what gonna happen
[05:05] <elmago> any ideas?
[05:05] <elmago> plz
[05:05] <Sephy|X> Anyone have any experience with the D-Link DWL-610 wireless adapter?
[05:06] <elmago> /dev/hda1 /media/windows_c ntfs ro,uid=1000 0 0 thats my line for my windows partion but what do i have to write for the new ext3 partion?
[05:08] <vader1102> wow what is going on, there are a lot of quits and rejoins again
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[05:08] <elmago> ;)
[05:08] <titus> yep
[05:08] <jjazz> I'm trying to setup freenx, so I'm looking for a hoary package for nxclient.  I can't find it in any repository.  Can I use the .deb file from nomachine.com?
[05:08] <jjazz> Let's try this again: I'm trying to setup freenx, so I'm looking for a hoary package for nxclient.  I can't find it in any repository.  Can I use the .deb file from nomachine.com?
[05:09] <Sephy|X> elmago: Do you know which hd it is?
[05:09] <elmago> yes hda5
[05:09] <ompaul> jjazz have you added lots of repositories?
[05:09] <elmago> and i a direction /media/daten
[05:09] <Sephy|X> sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/whatever
[05:10] <Sephy|X> -r if you want read only
[05:10] <elmago> yeah
[05:10] <elmago> but what do i have to add in my fstab
[05:10] <brenner> jjazz: afaik, it's usually best to install from source, maybe using checkinstall to make things easier......the deb file might have been created for a different distro
[05:10] <jjazz> ompaul:  yes, I have.  The only one that has this file is the kanotix repository, but that one isn't ubuntu-specific, and it requires a bunch of libs that are newer than Hoary uses.
[05:10] <Sephy|X> That, is more than I can help you with, I've used ubuntu for 1 day now ;D
[05:10] <jjazz> brenner:  ok.  I'll hunt down source for this.  I was just hoping somebody had packed it for ubuntu
[05:10] <elmago> ;)
[05:10] <brenner> jjazz: if you can't find it in the repos ... then not likely
[05:11] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, sorry i can't compile driver
[05:11] <elmago> but someone must be here who can tell my what i have to write in my fstab
[05:11] <elmago> plz
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> similer line, but replace ntfs with ext3, change the mount point path, and the uid/ro options are not needed
[05:11] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, he tell's me ... ERROR: Kernel modules did not compile
[05:11] <ompaul> jjazz you can of course start to maintain it for ubuntu :) that would be good :)
[05:11] <elmago> ok
[05:11] <brenner> elmago: options should be 'ext3 umask=000 0 0' maybe?
[05:11] <jjazz> elmago:  google has a ton of info on fstab
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> 'learning by example'
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> 'learning by googling'
[05:12] <elmago> yeah for windows partions
[05:12] <jjazz> elmago:  Or is your question more specific?
[05:12] <brenner> jjazz: no your recommendation was good. :)
[05:12] <elmago> /dev/hda5 /media/daten ext3  0 0
[05:12] <elmago> is this correct
[05:12] <elmago> ?
[05:12] <brenner> elmago: seriously ... googling for mount ext3 will give you heaps of stuff...
[05:12] <thongta> hi all, i use tounchpad in my laptop, it cant work properly on ubuntu as windows
[05:13] <thongta> plz help me
[05:13] <kyle> thongta: #define properly
[05:13] <brenner> elmago: er, put a defaults after the ext3
[05:13] <ompaul> elmago if you have formatted the driveit  look s okay
[05:13] <thongta> my english so bad
[05:13] <elmago> ok thx i try that
[05:14] <thongta> sumary: i can't use my tounchpad as windows
[05:14] <thongta> as double click, scroll,...
[05:14] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, can u help me or not?
[05:15] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: dunno....what's the full error? (put it in a pastebin if more than 3 lines)
[05:15] <thongta> who can help me my problem?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> thongta,  check the ubuntu wiki's and forums yet? they have a specific laptop forum as well.
[05:16] <thongta> see me link of wiki's and forums
[05:16] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, Compiling...ERROR: Kernel modules did not compile
[05:16] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> brenner, i alredy download kernel source
[05:16] <thongta> plz see me that link of wiki's and forums, Dr_Willis
[05:16] <kamikazesponge> hmm.. guess i understand how to disconnect a host from the network -_-
[05:16] <thongta> Dr_Willis, plz see me that link
[05:17] <brenner> Ov3rReAcTiOn: maybe haven't loaded a module then?  i really don't know ... search the forum for your graphic card...
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> Huh?
[05:17] <thongta> hi hi
[05:17] <thongta> ^^
[05:17] <Ov3rReAcTiOn> okay thanks anyway
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> thongta,  urls are in the Topic.
[05:18] <thongta> how?
[05:18] <thongta> ok
[05:18] <thongta> thanks anyway ^^
[05:18] <thongta> i'm a new bie
[05:18] <brenner> thongta: we can see that. :)
[05:19] <__filip_> how can i make an starter that takes my into my hda5?
[05:19] <cemc> __filip_: a what?
[05:19] <__filip_> i whant to make en icon on my dekstop that take me into my hda5.
[05:20] <cemc> aa :)
[05:20] <__filip_> you know how to do?
[05:20] <brenner> __filip_: if it's mounted, i think there's a gconf option to show mounted disks
[05:20] <__filip_> it is mounted
[05:21] <__filip_> i have an icon on my antoher computer that make that
[05:22] <kamikazesponge> woo ettercap works ^^
[05:22] <__filip_> someone know how i can do?
[05:24] <Tobsn> hi
[05:24] <Tobsn> can anyone help me with installing ubuntu beside XP
[05:24] <Tobsn> :)
[05:24] <brenner> __filip_: i'm sure there'd be a forum topic on it ...
[05:25] <brenner> Tobsn: you mean dualbooting?
[05:25] <Tobsn> right
[05:25] <__filip_> brenner: ok
[05:25] <apokryphos> Tobsn: on installation of ubuntu it'll automatically detect it
[05:25] <brenner> Tobsn: waht probs are you hacing?
[05:25] <apokryphos> and appropriately put it in GRUB (the bootloader)
[05:25] <Tobsn> do i have to install any bootloaders or something?
[05:26] <brenner> apokryphos: i thought by default, it *replaces* windows entirely. :)
[05:26] <Tobsn> no thats no option
[05:26] <Tobsn> ;)
[05:26] <Tobsn> i need a bootmanager, but i dont know how to install it with ubuntu
[05:26] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell Tobsn about grub
[05:26] <brenner> Tobsn: it will install GRUb for you later ... have you set up partitions already?
[05:27] <Sephy|X> Can anyone help me install my D-Link dwl-610 wireless adapter?
[05:28] <nmoore> hi would somebody kindly check for me what /media/cdrom0 is? is it a plain directory, link or whatever
[05:28] <borfast> guys, I just installed Ubuntu for AMD 64 and then I reinstalled Windows, which overwrote the MBR. now I want to reinstall GRUB on the MBR but booting from the Ubuntu_AMD64 CD, I can't mount the already installed Ubuntu system in order to chroot into it and then reinstall grub. can someone help me getting GRUB back, please?
[05:28] <Tobsn> i have two partitions. one with XP and another free one... but befor the install process, ubuntu asks for the bootflag... and its set for the XP partition.. do i have to change it?
[05:28] <apokryphos> brenner: not really
[05:29] <apokryphos> Tobsn: of course, you just have to allocate a root partition; any other drives connected to your computer with windows it'll detect, for the bootloader
[05:30] <brenner> Tobsn: i leave the bootflag as default .. i'll let apokryphos tell you what it means ( i don't know myself)
[05:30] <Sephy|X> borfast: Just boot with the ubuntu cd and only set up grub
[05:30] <borfast> Sephy|X: I'm booting with the Ubuntu CD but how do I set up GRUB with it?
[05:31] <apokryphos> Tobsn: don't alter anything on the XP partition
[05:31] <brenner> Sephy|X: doesn't the bootloader install come *after* the system is copied onto disk? :)
[05:31] <Tobsn> ok
[05:31] <Tobsn> so i have to install it the default way and grub will ask me after the process?
[05:31] <Sephy|X> Don't start the installer, start the rescue mode or whatever it's called
[05:32] <apokryphos> Tobsn: (i) if you have windows on another partition, make sure you select to "manually edit the partition table". Then, just select to partition the partition you want linux to be on
[05:32] <apokryphos> Tobsn: you do this by setting the mount point as / and selecting to format as ext3
[05:32] <Sephy|X> I think you're able to log onto your ubuntu system through the cd, if not then just start in rescue mode/terminal mode/whatever and config grub
[05:32] <borfast> Sephy|X: how do I start that? as far as I know, there's no rescue mode on the Ubuntu CD... is there?
[05:32] <brenner> Tobsn: yes, that's still the partitioning stage iirc.....it will ask you to install the bootloader later ... just choose the default option and you should be fine
[05:33] <apokryphos> Tobsn: actually, I also recommend that you have another partition for your /home, but it is exactly necessary
[05:33] <brenner> *default option for the bootloader install
[05:33] <brenner> apokryphos: is or isn't? ;)
[05:33] <apokryphos> 'tis
[05:34] <apokryphos> brenner: wait, what is or isn't?
[05:34] <Sephy|X> borfast: I've used Linux for 1 day so I'm not 100% sure but I think there's special boot parameters which allows you to log into your already installed ubuntu system
[05:34] <brenner> borfast: there's a wiki page for restoring grub after windows install
 I also recommend that you have another partition for your /home, but it is exactly necessary
[05:35] <brenner> apokryphos: i think you meant "isn't" there
[05:35] <borfast> Sephy|X: yes, there's a rescue mode. I'm seing it on the release notes for 5.04.
[05:35] <apokryphos> brenner: indeed, I do.
[05:35] <apokryphos> Tobsn: /home partition is not necessary, typo, sorry
[05:35] <Tobsn> ok, i choose the manual way but ubuntu asks me for the mount point
[05:35] <Tobsn> whats that?
[05:35] <Sephy|X> borfast: Du you know how to open boot.ini in windows?
[05:35] <emile> is there a shortkey for file browser?
[05:35] <borfast> brenner: thanks, I think I can handle it if I can get into the rescue mode, otherwise I'll search for that Wiki page.
[05:36] <brenner> emile: you can set one up
[05:36] <abarbaccia> hey guys - i have an ubuntu question - i made a mythtv box, and i start the program by putting the command in the .xsession file, but then after like 30 minutes the screen will go blank (power save) is there any way i can disable that daemon or anything?
[05:36] <borfast> Sephy|X: I just use notepad, if I recall corretly
[05:36] <Sephy|X> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56723
[05:36] <brenner> borfast: i strongly suggest you find the wiki page 1st :)
[05:36] <Sephy|X> That should work
[05:36] <borfast> brenner: ok, I will, then :)
[05:37] <nmoore> abarbaccia: man xorg.conf
[05:37] <nmoore> abarbaccia: look for BlankTime and StandbyTime
[05:37] <borfast> Sephy|X: thanks for the link, but I prefer to install Grub. I've used that method before and I really don't like it very much
[05:37] <emile> brenner: what would be the apropiate way to do so?
[05:37] <brenner> emile: sys > prefs > k/b shortcuts
[05:37] <Tobsn> whats the mount point?
[05:38] <Tobsn> should i set it to /root or /home or /??
[05:38] <brenner> emile: one your looking for is 'Home folder'
[05:38] <emile> brenner: thnx i never noticed that menu item ;-)
[05:38] <__filip_> how can i allow some ip to connect to me?
[05:38] <brenner> emile: np
[05:38] <Tobsn> filip, iptables
[05:38] <brenner> __filip_: did you find out how to add the icons?
[05:38] <Tobsn> apokryphos?
[05:39] <apokryphos> Tobsn: the mount point for the root partition is /
[05:39] <borfast> ok, it's simple, just like I thought. I just didn't know there was a rescue mode on the CD :) after getting into rescue mode, it's simply the grub-install /dev/sda stuff :)
[05:39] <Tobsn> ok
[05:39] <borfast> thanks for the help, guys
[05:39] <borfast> :)
[05:39] <__filip_> brenner: nope i dont have time now i will search tonicht
[05:39] <Tobsn> tx
[05:39] <abarbaccia> nmoore, what should i put in there?  something ridiculus like 32000 or is there a boolean set to turn it off
[05:40] <brenner> abarbaccia: 0 maybe?
[05:40] <nmoore> abarbaccia: good question, i expect that 0 will disable the feature,
[05:40] <apokryphos> Tobsn: highlight me in future for questions :P. I might miss them otherwise. :)
[05:40] <graabein> hey. anyone installed the gmailchecker from the howto forum+
[05:40] <Tobsn> thx :)
[05:41] <elmago> hi guys
[05:41] <elmago> i just mounted a ext3 partion
[05:41] <Sephy|X> Some guy told me to use the windos driver with ndiswrapper for my wireless pcmcia card, what's that all about?
[05:41] <abarbaccia> i finally got this box working, now its just the matter of making it useable
[05:41] <ekimus> anyone knows if it's safe to assume that the ubuntu user already exists in the cloop image. when booting the live cd? i need to create some psql databases for that user
[05:41] <ekimus> hope that's somehow clear
[05:41] <abarbaccia> Sephy|X, what card is it?
[05:41] <elmago> and it worked but when i want to copy something on it i get permission denied
[05:42] <elmago> whats wrong ?
[05:42] <__filip_> tobsn: if i whant that ip 81.225.33.*** connect to me how i do?
[05:42] <Sephy|X> D-link dwl-610
[05:42] <__filip_> allow that ip to connect to me.
[05:42] <nmoore> abarbaccia: sorry, try putting DPMS off in the corresponding monitor section
[05:42] <Tobsn> reject that ip in the iptables
[05:42] <abarbaccia> nmoore, i was just at that part
[05:42] <elmago> Sephy what nootbook do you have?
[05:42] <Tobsn> but i dont know it exactly
[05:42] <__filip_> tobsn : i dont get it.?
[05:42] <__filip_> ok
[05:42] <Sephy|X> Acer Aspire 1350
[05:43] <Sephy|X> It's a pcmcia wireless card so it's not something included with my computer
[05:43] <brenner> graabein: i tried to...but couldn't work it out. :-/
[05:43] <__filip_> someone know an easy way that allow ip?
[05:44] <__filip_> to allow ip*
[05:44] <graabein> brenner, me neither
[05:44] <elmago> perhaps this hels a bit http://localhost.ruhr.de/~stefan/acerTM292/
[05:44] <brenner> graabein: actually, it was xlassie...haven't read the forum thread
[05:44] <roby> HI
[05:44] <graabein> oh...
[05:44] <roby> I'm tring to install acerhk on my ubuntu box
[05:44] <Sephy|X> Lesse....
[05:44] <roby> But it does not work!!
[05:45] <elmago> so can someone tell me why i get permission denied ?
[05:45] <elmago> /dev/hda5 /media/daten          ext3    defaults         0      0
[05:45] <roby> Is there anybidy that have a solotion??
[05:45] <graabein> guess ill just post my error msgs to the thread then
[05:45] <elmago> thats my fstab
[05:45] <brenner> graabein: good idea
[05:45] <Sephy|X> I've installed pcmcia-cs and I didn't get any error
[05:46] <brenner> elmago: probably the 'defaults' ... need to change it
[05:46] <abarbaccia> nmoore, i had an option "dpms" line and i just added false to the end - i guess i'll find out after i leave the box alone for a while
[05:46] <lapo> hi
[05:47] <__filip_> if i install an firewall will that be the only thing that block trffic into internet?
[05:47] <Sephy|X> abarbaccia: You didn't have a solution for me?
[05:47] <brenner> roby: acerhk?
[05:47] <elmago> brenner: what do you mean?
[05:48] <abarbaccia> Sephy|X, well, you have to see what chipset the card uses - and then choose the best approach
[05:48] <abarbaccia> or google it and find out how people got it working
[05:48] <elvirolo> hi
[05:48] <abarbaccia> once you know (ndiswrapper, madwifi, etc..) we can proceed from there
[05:48] <brenner> elmago: after the ext3 .... probably need to change it from 'defaults' to something else
[05:48] <Sephy|X> Trust me, I've already spent several hours googling
[05:48] <brenner> umask=000 maybe
[05:48] <roby> Yes!!
[05:48] <elmago> yeah i tried rw,user
[05:48] <roby> acerhk!!
[05:48] <elvirolo> i have a script which optimises the mtu for my eth card ... how do i make it launch at startup?
[05:49] <elmago> but i didnt work
[05:49] <brenner> elmago: what about umask=000 ?
[05:49] <brenner> roby: no, i was asking what it was. :)
[05:49] <abarbaccia> elvirolo, you should put the script in your /etc/init.d directory, make it writeable, then use the command update-rc.d to get it to start at boottime
[05:50] <roby> the kernel driver to enable the extra keys on my acer 1600 laptop!!
[05:50] <elvirolo> abarbaccia: thanks :)
[05:50] <roby> I used that package in debian for a while...
[05:50] <abarbaccia> elvirolo, or if you want it to start when you log in (maybe an easier option) you cna do it through a gui in ubuntu
[05:50] <brenner> roby: oh ... have you searched the forum/wiki?
[05:50] <elmago> ok i try it
[05:51] <Tobsn> do i have to install the GRUB into the MBR?
[05:51] <roby> I've googled it!
[05:51] <roby> But no result at all!
[05:51] <Tobsn> apokryphos
[05:51] <Tobsn> :)
[05:51] <brenner> Tobsn: choose the default option ( i think it is 'yes')
[05:51] <brenner> roby: wiki/forum?
[05:52] <Sephy|X> Tobsn: I would recomend it if you want to use grub as the boot-loader then choose 'Yes'
[05:52] <apokryphos> Tobsn: it's a good idea to do so, yes.
[05:52] <roby> No I have not anyway!!
[05:52] <borfast> guys, doesn't the ubuntu rescue mode have fdisk??
[05:52] <Tobsn> ok thx guys
[05:52] <brenner> roby: wiki.ubuntu.com & ubuntuforus.org
[05:52] <brenner> *ubuntuforums.org
[05:52] <Sephy|X> borfast: cfdisk
[05:52] <__filip_> i have install firestarter now but how can i allow ip to connect to me in it?
[05:52] <Sephy|X> cfdisk hd??
[05:52] <borfast> thanks
[05:53] <borfast> the damn thing has my partitions' order all messed up, I was mounting them thinking they were in the right order but apparently, they are not... I just hope the windows instalation didn't mess tm up... :\
[05:54] <roby> I've just searched in the wiki... but nope!!
[05:54] <anticop> how can I install kernel source for ubuntu (offline) ??
[05:54] <c0rrupt_> what do i need to install for java
[05:54] <brenner> roby: now search the forum
[05:54] <brenner> !java
[05:54] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:55] <apollo13> hi there, i am currently downloading the iso and i have one little question ( its the first time using ab debian like system) : will packages (or better sofware like vmware etc.), which are abvailable for debian, run on ubuntu??
[05:55] <brenner> anticop: you mean you have no net access?
[05:55] <anticop> yeah
[05:56] <brenner> apollo13: afaik, it's a bad idea to mix the two
[05:56] <brenner> anticop: what kernel you running?
[05:56] <apollo13> why?
[05:56] <anticop> 2.6.10
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> apollo13, debian is not ubuntu, they use different compiles and setups
[05:57] <brenner> anticop: you want the linux-source-2.6.10 package then
[05:57] <anticop> yeah
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> apollo13, using packages from debian on ubuntu or vice-versa is unrecommended, and might break your system. Then again, It might not.
[05:57] <brenner> anticop: look for here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[05:58] <brenner> anticop: download the deb file, then 'dpkg -i <debfile>'  to install it
[05:58] <apollo13> so everything i need is availaible fpr ubuntu??
[05:58] <brenner> apollo13: depends on what you need
[05:58] <brenner> packages.ubuntu.com
[05:58] <apollo13> mware fpr example or things like lime wire
[05:58] <apollo13> vmware :)
[05:58] <apollo13> ok, ill take a look
[05:58] <anticop> brenner: what .deb file ???
[05:59] <brenner> anticop: linux-source-2.6.10
[05:59] <brenner> pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb
[05:59] <brenner> from my apt-cache entry
[05:59] <apollo13> what means : warty hoary breezy?? or which is the right one for me
[06:00] <pirast> it's hoary
[06:00] <anticop> brenner: Does that archive on UBUNTU disc???
[06:00] <pulp>  cioa ... i have a question... i installed rar .. but some how i still can t open rar files???
[06:00] <brenner> anticop: not afaik
[06:00] <apollo13> pirast: where are the differeneces?
[06:01] <apollo13> warty was the first or??
[06:01] <pulp>  i think there is a special folder to place in a special directory but i don t remeber
[06:01] <anticop> brenner: WHAT?
[06:01] <brenner> anticop: not as far as i know
[06:01] <brenner> anticop: oh, sorry
[06:01] <pulp> what could be the problem
[06:01] <anticop> but i have found "linux-source" folder
[06:01] <pulp> ?
[06:01] <brenner> anticop: like i said, go here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[06:01] <pirast> apollo13: Warty is the old release, Hoary is the stable relese, Breezy is the next release
[06:02] <apollo13> okay
[06:02] <brenner> then browse the directories
[06:02] <pirast> But Breezy is unstable so use Hoary..
[06:02] <pirast> Breezy will be released in October
[06:02] <brenner> anticop: l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.de
[06:02] <c0rrupt_> !java
[06:02] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:02] <pulp>  cioa ... i have a question... i installed rar .. but some how i still can t open rar files???
[06:03] <brenner> pulp: install unrar
[06:03] <pulp> ok
[06:03] <pulp> :)
[06:03] <apollo13> i have an running suse 9.3 and windows xp prof, will ubuntu configure a new bootloader including all three, yes or??
[06:03] <pulp> thanks
[06:03] <brenner> pulp: thank me when it works
[06:03] <Sephy|X> apollo13: Yes, most probably
[06:03] <Sephy|X> It will list all the os' it finds at the end of the installation
[06:04] <apollo13> okay this is enough, in 1:52 i'll have ubuntu
[06:04] <c0rrupt_> what is the hoary-extras link
[06:04] <pulp> that s why i thank you
[06:04] <pulp> brenner
[06:04] <pulp> ubuntu is real fast
[06:04] <pulp> :)
[06:04] <apollo13> bye
[06:05] <c0rrupt_> !repos
[06:05] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:06] <roby> Ok! There are few thread that match my query!!
[06:06] <roby> Thanks!!
[06:06] <roby> If i'll ahve problem... i'll contact you later!!
[06:10] <pmazer> anyone know how to turn a linux box into basically an airport express? i want my friend to be able to play his music from itunes via my speakers
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> there is an itunes server program out for linux.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> heard about it from some other mini-disrto-hacking site.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> but i never used it. cant even rember its name.
[06:12] <puff> Afternoon.
[06:12] <puff> So, I'm still trying to sort out my wireless problems.
[06:13] <puff> My device manager shows the built-in Intel wireless card (PCI PRO/Wireless 2200BG) but it doesn't show up in ifconfig, nor in the Network Settings GUI.
[06:13] <Gnonthgol> puff: You dont have drivers
[06:14] <puff> http://pastebin.com/349245
[06:14] <puff> Gnonthgol: Odd... it worked before.
[06:14] <pmazer> Dr_Willis, i think what you're thinking of goes the opposite way than i want
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> pmazer,  you want the linux box to play tunes from his server?
[06:15] <Tobsn> hmm can i mount my XP partition in ubuntu?
[06:15] <pmazer> Dr_Willis, yeah
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> pmazer,  no clue where then. :P
[06:15] <brenner> !ntfs
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> http://www.mt-daapd.org/  - is the itunes server for linux.   :) not sure if xmms or mplayer can play them however
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> Tobsn,  yes you can.
[06:16] <brenner> ubotu: tell Tobsn about ntfs
[06:16] <brenner> Tobsn: install go ok?
[06:16] <Gnonthgol> !ntfs
[06:16] <deFrysk> ! ntfs
[06:16] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[06:16] <deFrysk> ;)
[06:16] <brenner> Gnonthgol: *chuckle* now you know why i did the second trigger
[06:17] <Gnonthgol> Thanks ubotu
[06:17] <brenner> smartalec
[06:18] <deFrysk> ! slap brenner
[06:18] <ubotu> deFrysk: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:18] <deFrysk> darn
[06:18] <puff> Gnonthgol: So, assuming something torched the drivers... what do I do next?
[06:18] <deFrysk> :s
[06:18] <puff> Gnonthgol: Is there a tool for figuring out and finding the drivers?  Or do I have to figure out the right apt package and install that?
[06:18] <brenner> deFrysk: that's what you get :P
[06:18] <roby> exit
[06:18] <deFrysk> brenner, :x
[06:20] <Gnonthgol> puff: you have to find a driver for Linux or use a windows driver with ndiswrapper
[06:21] <Gnonthgol> !ndiswrapper
[06:21] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[06:21] <puff> Gnonthgol: Well, since it did actually work out of the box with a vanilla ubuntu install, I suspect the "normal" drivers should work fine.
[06:21] <puff> Not sure where they went, mind you :-).
[06:21] <Gnonthgol> ok
[06:22] <Sephy|X> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted <-- What the fudge?
[06:22] <puff> So, dredging up my limited memories of how the linux kernel works, it's possible, I guess, that the wireless modules somehow got unloaded.
[06:22] <puff> Or didn't get loaded properly when it restarted.
[06:22] <NoUse> Sephy|X are you root?
[06:22] <Sephy|X> sudo
[06:23] <uraa> brenner: i'm anticop , can u pls give me that link again?
[06:23] <tcm> hello all
[06:23] <Sephy|X> NoUse: I even get it when I use the root terminal
[06:23] <brenner> uraa: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.de
[06:24] <brenner> uraa: whoops, should be a 'b' on the end of that
[06:24] <tcm> i just install ubuntu and i have a problem with amsn 0.95. When i lauch i'm an error as occured : "Error in startup script: can't use empty string as operand of "|"" do you have any idea ?
[06:24] <puff> Is there a good tutorial on this sort of thing anywhere?
[06:25] <Tobsn> hmm does someone know a good c or cpp editor/compiler for ubuntu?
[06:25] <puff> (i.e. basic commands for troubleshooting drivers and kernel module loading, etc)?
[06:25] <puff> Tobsn: Emacs?
[06:25] <uraa> brenner: i don't understand
[06:25] <puff> Tobsn: Eclipse probably runs on ubuntu.
[06:25] <brenner> uraa: neither do i... wasn't that what you wanted?
[06:25] <Tobsn> hmm and simpler?
[06:25] <puff> Though I've never used it for C, it has modes for it.
[06:26] <brenner> Tobsn: i suppose you mean a GUI app?
[06:26] <uraa> brenner: yes but i lost that link
[06:26] <uraa> pls give me again
[06:26] <uraa> that link
[06:26] <Tobsn> yes a gui
[06:26] <Tobsn> but just type and click compile ;)
[06:26] <brenner> Tobsn: did the install go ok?
[06:26] <tcm> any idea for amsn ? :(
[06:26] <brenner> uraa: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb
[06:26] <Tobsn> yes install goes fine :)
[06:26] <brenner> tcm: how'd you install it?
[06:26] <Tobsn> thanks for the help :)
[06:27] <tcm> brenner: i want to install amsn0.95b for use the webcam, but i can't lauch him before or after compil
[06:28] <brenner> tcm: install via the repo...easier
[06:28] <Gnonthgol> I have had a bit problem with my sound in 5.04 but found out today that all input on my mic. is going out on the speekers. Does that mean that I got the drivers?
[06:28] <tcm> brenner: it's the beta of amsn
[06:28] <brenner> tcm: oh, ok.
[06:28] <chumphries> thanks for ubuntu, it is very much what I was looking for to solve the frustrations of debian lately
[06:29] <Daywalker> hi
[06:29] <Tobsn> hmm no compiler?
[06:29] <uraa> hi, lisi!
[06:29] <brenner> Tobsn: most of us use a console-based editor and gcc/g++
[06:29] <brenner> Tobsn: google for IDEs and then install one you like via synaptic
[06:29] <brenner> or apt-get/aptitude
[06:30] <Gnonthgol> I have had a bit problem with my sound in 5.04 but found out today that all input on my mic. is going out on the speekers. Does that mean that I got the drivers?
[06:30] <brenner> chumphries: good to hear :)
[06:30] <Daywalker> just a question, why does synaptic tell me that it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop whenever I install some gnome-like apps?
[06:30] <Belutz> !tell belutz about sound
[06:30] <Gnonthgol> !sound
[06:30] <ubotu> [sound]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:30] <brenner> !ubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <ubotu> well, ubuntu-desktop is A metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when ugprading
[06:30] <brenner> Daywalker: ^^^
[06:30] <Gnonthgol> ubotu: thanks
[06:30] <ubotu> de rien, Gnonthgol
[06:30] <Concord_Dawn> Daywalker, ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package. All it does is bring install the default packages
[06:30] <Daywalker> ubotu, thanks
[06:30] <Daywalker> :)
[06:30] <Belutz> !artsd
[06:30] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Belutz
[06:30] <Tobsn> hmm after the install process, whats the root password for ubuntu?
[06:31] <brenner> Tobsn: there is none
[06:31] <brenner> !root
[06:31] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:31] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell Tobsn about root
[06:31] <Daywalker> thanx god I never had the problem on my home pc but on my laptop ;)
[06:31] <Tobsn> h?
[06:31] <chumphries> much of this stuff is in the wiki
[06:31] <[t0rc] > I've got a .deb on my desktop. How do i install it (when I double-click it, it opens the archive manager...)?
[06:31] <Tobsn> ok than is the default created user the root or?
[06:31] <brenner> [t0rc] : what is it?
[06:31] <Concord_Dawn> Tobsn, the default created user is not root
[06:31] <topyli> wow, this time i was not redirected to #ubuntu-unregged. there has apparently been a solution
[06:31] <Concord_Dawn> root is root, the user you created during install is another user.
[06:31] <brenner> topyli: do tell. :)
[06:31] <recover> In gnome, when you press the "connect to server" in the places menu. You can't specify the domain when you choose a windows share, that's odd, I must supply domain information to be able to login to this computer. it doesn't prompt for it when you try to connect with this afterwards
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> topyli,  i noticed that also.
[06:32] <Tobsn> hmm and how to execute winmac_fstab?
[06:32] <Concord_Dawn> topyli, it's because the +rf #ubuntu-unregged chanmodes have been removed.
[06:32] <Tobsn> the readme says it needs root
[06:32] <chumphries> sudo
[06:32] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[06:32] <Concord_Dawn> sudo
[06:32] <chumphries> it is in the wiki link, read it :)
[06:32] <chumphries> explains everything
[06:32] <topyli> brenner: for me: leave work, log off on your way out. go home, log in to freenode :)
[06:32] <brenner> Tobsn: the readme doesn't say that!
[06:33] <[t0rc] > brenner: i've got like blender, fluxbox, scons, a few other things.
[06:33] <brenner> partly 'cos there is no readme afaik
[06:33] <Tobsn> # Root check
[06:33] <Tobsn> if [[ $UID != 0 ] ] ; then
[06:33] <Tobsn> echo 'Tou should run this program as root or using sudo'
[06:33] <Tobsn> exit 1
[06:33] <Tobsn> fi
[06:33] <chumphries> or using sudo
[06:33] <Tobsn> arg
[06:33] <Tobsn> ok
[06:33] <brenner> [t0rc] : best to install via the repos
[06:33] <brenner> if you can
[06:33] <chumphries> Tobsn: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:33] <brenner> topyli: pfft ... here i was thinking you were hot stuff
[06:33] <brenner> working out the fix and all
[06:34] <[t0rc] > brenner: heh. Well i would've if I could. but how would i do it this way (i'm used to rpm's and FC, where you just 2c it and it installs...)
[06:34] <topyli> brenner: hey, i had to work too :)
[06:34] <brenner> Tobsn: Instructions for use:
[06:34] <brenner> Tobsn: why are you reading the code? :)
[06:34] <brenner> Tobsn: just read the instructions in the box!
[06:34] <chumphries> :)
[06:35] <brenner> [t0rc] : apt-get/synaptic will take care of dependencies
[06:35] <Tobsn> ;)
[06:35] <brenner> [t0rc] : the way you're doing it won't.
[06:35] <Tobsn> i like code.
[06:35] <Tobsn> hehe
[06:35] <brenner> [t0rc] : and you should really avoid getting debs from who knows where ... use the ubuntu repos!
[06:35] <wijnand> can anyone tell me how i can use gutenprint (instead of the older gimp-print) in ubuntu? i want to buy a printer that wasn't supported until very recently
[06:35] <brenner> !synaptic
[06:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:36] <[t0rc] > brenner: I'll get the dependencies myself, and I've been downloading them from the repos. on a windows rig. the lin isn't online.
[06:36] <brenner> [t0rc] : ah, well that's sane then. :)
[06:37] <brenner> [t0rc] : dpkg -i <deb file>
[06:37] <brenner> to install a local deb file
[06:37] <brenner> you might want to look at apt-zip as well
[06:37] <brenner> someone recommended that for people in your situation
[06:37] <brenner> i.e. no net access
[06:37] <Viziri> I'm having a nightmare getting citrix ICA client to work. Whenever I try to connect the little box comes up but it just hangs... never connects :(
[06:38] <[t0rc] > brenner: Alright, thnx. heh, I'd use the repos if I could, but not possible right now. :(.
[06:38] <[t0rc] > later
[06:39] <aftertaf> help: how can i tell if my adsl is pppoe or pppoa ??
[06:39] <pirast> !tell adsl
[06:40] <pirast> !tell about adsl
[06:40] <aftertaf> !adsl
[06:40] <ubotu> aftertaf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:40] <pirast> -.-
[06:40] <aftertaf> :/
[06:40] <CarlFK> heh
[06:40] <pirast> ill add it later
[06:40] <aftertaf> you know then?? :)
[06:40] <CarlFK> aftertaf - sbc dsl by chance?  (I am about to deal with that in a day or 2)
[06:41] <pirast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[06:41] <CarlFK> current project is getting dial up to play nice with users
[06:41] <pirast> ubotu adsl is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[06:41] <ubotu> pirast: okay
[06:41] <pirast> !adsk
[06:41] <ubotu> Wish i knew, pirast
[06:41] <mgbaron> anyone have any suggestions for the easiest way to restart apache?
[06:41] <pirast> !adsl
[06:41] <ubotu> adsl is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[06:41] <pirast> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[06:41] <aftertaf> hehe
[06:41] <andre_m> hi. how to copy an audio cd on the shell? making an .iso with http://ubuntuguide.org/#createisofromcddvd doesn't work..
[06:41] <brenner> pirast: adding a small explanation would be nice as well :)
[06:41] <aftertaf> i'm on usb modem, not ethernet.. does that change anything?
[06:42] <chumphries> andre_m: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso ?
[06:42] <Tobsn> hmm
[06:42] <andre_m> chumphries: that's what the link sais. returns "0 bytes transferred in 0.258006 seconds (0 bytes/sec)"
[06:42] <CarlFK> chumphries - that only works for data cd's - really bad idea for audio
[06:42] <Tobsn> but it doesnt connect to my wireless router :(
[06:42] <chumphries> CarlFK: oh ok
[06:42] <Tobsn> do have to change some setting to connect to my wireless router?
[06:43] <CarlFK> chumphries and andre_m - http://www.xiph.org/paranoia
[06:43] <aftertaf> anyone??
[06:44] <CarlFK> some good explanations on how CD audio works
[06:44] <aftertaf> i've run pppoeconf and it finds eth0, but my modem is usb.
[06:44] <pirast> ubotu wlan-ng is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[06:44] <ubotu> okay, pirast
[06:44] <chumphries> I just rip my cds to mp3 and burn to cd :)
[06:44] <chumphries> Think I have the unscratched cd collection on the planet ;)
[06:45] <CarlFK> chumphries - what do you use to rip?
[06:45] <aftertaf> does that mean i'm on pppoa?
[06:45] <jatos> hello
[06:45] <chumphries> CarlFK: grip
[06:45] <CarlFK> chumphries - grip uses cdparanoia ;)
[06:45] <jatos> does anyone know a way of recovering data of a hard disk that has been partially wipped
[06:45] <brenner> ubotu: adsl is Setting up an ADSL PPPoE Connection? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[06:45] <ubotu> ...but adsl is already something else...
[06:46] <chumphries> CarlFK: i am aware
[06:46] <jatos> this is a reiser fs I need to recover
[06:46] <brenner> ubotu: forget adsl
[06:46] <ubotu> brenner: i forgot adsl
[06:46] <brenner> ubotu: adsl is Setting up an ADSL PPPoE Connection? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[06:46] <pirast> hmpf..
[06:46] <pirast> works forget adsl?
[06:46] <brenner> yes, time-delay though ... waiting
[06:46] <brenner> ubotu: adsl is Setting up an ADSL PPPoE Connection? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[06:46] <ubotu> okay, brenner
[06:46] <bozoguy> hi
[06:47] <pirast> ahh nice
[06:47] <bozoguy> i reinstalle dmy windows and it erased my mbr, how do i recover grub boot?
[06:47] <jatos> anyone?
[06:47] <brenner> !grub
[06:47] <ubotu> [grub]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:47] <chumphries> bozoguy: grub-install (hd0) ?
[06:47] <chumphries> oh nice
[06:47] <brenner> bozoguy: see ubotu's 2nd link
[06:48] <CarlFK> bozoguy - live CD, run grub, install a new grup boot loader
[06:48] <Gnonthgol> !grub
[06:48] <mrson> hola a todos.........
[06:48] <pirast> ubotu is so nice
[06:48] <ubotu> pirast: Are you smoking crack?
[06:48] <pirast> lol
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> ubotu needs to be a little more specific in its error messages.
[06:48] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Dr_Willis
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:48] <brenner> pirast: not so nice after all. :D
[06:48] <topyli> a bot knows when humans are not completely honest with them :)
[06:49] <Tobsn> pirast, i have a intel pro/wireless lan 2100 3B Mini PCI
[06:49] <brenner> Dr_Willis: that was specific. :D
[06:49] <Tobsn> its integrated...
[06:49] <brenner> Dr_Willis: gave you the line number and everything. :)
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> brenner,  also randomly generated it seems :P
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> ubotu needs our love
[06:49] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Dr_Willis
[06:49] <jhaa> :D
[06:50] <Gnonthgol> ubotu is our friend
[06:50] <ubotu> Gnonthgol: I don't know
[06:50] <Gnonthgol> lol
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> ubotu needs a spanking.
[06:50] <ubotu> Not a clue, Dr_Willis
[06:50] <brenner> what accent is that meant to be anyway?
[06:50] <topyli> no guys, he's the most coherent one here
[06:50] <topyli> !ubotu
[06:50] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:50] <pirast> ubotu ubotu is our friend is wargh!
[06:50] <ubotu> ...but ubotu is already something else...
[06:50] <topyli> ok ok
[06:50] <pirast> hmmm
[06:50] <chumphries> hrm, public forget?
[06:51] <aftertaf> ok ok... so how do i use pppoeconf, like the wiki says, if it only finds an ethernet card?
[06:51] <Gnonthgol> ubotu tell ubotu about ubotu
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> Gnonthgol,  you proberly just crashed the thing with it msging itself all day now.
[06:51] <topyli> i think you killed it
[06:51] <pirast> aftertat: is your modem connected via usb?
[06:51] <Gnonthgol> ubotu tell ubotu about ubotu
[06:51] <jhaa> haha
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> !seen elvis
[06:51] <ubotu> Dr_Willis: i haven't seen 'elvis'
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:52] <Gnonthgol> (18:51:57) ubotu: Someone already said that 29 seconds ago
[06:52] <brenner> it's still alive
[06:52] <barongas> Anyone know if I can tell firefox to download .gz files instead of trying to open them? Annoying with big disc images.
[06:52] <chumphries> ubotu forget ubotu
[06:52] <ubotu> i forgot ubotu, chumphries
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> i just rightclick and use save as.. its often the servers 'problem' that firefox tries to read them.
[06:52] <Gnonthgol> !ubotu
[06:52] <ubotu> Gnonthgol: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:52] <barongas> Dr_Willis Yeah the problem is that it's a button, not a link.
[06:53] <barongas> Dr_Willis The site has passwords so wget wont work
[06:53] <chumphries> curl++
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> definiatly a server-stupidity issue sounds like. :(
[06:53] <barongas> Dr_Willis And lynx can't get through the passwords either :(
[06:53] <aftertaf> pirast: yep. speedtouch usb.
[06:53] <KWizzard> pls, where can I get Tahoma font for XWindows?
[06:53] <brenner> so who made ubotu forget himself?  you're in trouble...
[06:54] <chumphries> i did, was just testing if it worked
[06:54] <aftertaf> it did!
[06:54] <chumphries> can add it back
[06:54] <masterLoki> hi there as for right now I'm dual boot XP/Fedora 'cause Ubuntu 5.04 didn't support my CMI9761A audio chiset
[06:54] <masterLoki> the question is
[06:54] <pirast> aftertaf: Do you live in the UK?
[06:54] <brenner> chumphries: do so please :)
[06:54] <Gnonthgol> ubotu ubotu is Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:54] <ubotu> okay, Gnonthgol
[06:54] <masterLoki> if I install & upgrade will alsa recognize my chipset
[06:55] <Gnonthgol> ubotu forget azureuz
[06:55] <ubotu> i forgot azureuz, Gnonthgol
[06:55] <EasterSunshine> can anyone give me information about working an hp laserjet 1200 printer?
[06:55] <masterLoki> my PC was just updated with new hardware and ubutu didn't cath all the updates
[06:55] <chumphries> !ubutu
[06:55] <ubotu> chumphries: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:55] <masterLoki> !ubuntu
[06:55] <ubotu> [ubuntu]  an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[06:55] <pirast> --> aftertaf: Do you live in the UK?
[06:56] <masterLoki> !awards
[06:56] <ubotu> I guess awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[06:56] <masterLoki> !awards
[06:56] <brenner> if you want to play with ubotu, pls use /msg
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> masterLoki,  most of the time sound issues under linxu are rather trivial config issues..  - since your sound dows work under Fedora - it does have linux support.. so  it may be an alsa issue that made it not work befor.. or a slightly out of date kernel. or just a trivial file/config change.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> !sound
[06:56] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:56] <chumphries> !ubotu
[06:56] <ubotu> it has been said that ubotu is Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:57] <pirast> pls use msg -.-
[06:58] <masterLoki> That's exactly what i tought but after spending a whole weekend on #alsa to get sound I installed KDE and when I uninstalled I lost sound
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> why bother uninstalling. :P
[06:58] <masterLoki> I didn't like KDE so I kept Gnome
[06:59] <masterLoki> and I'm still Gnome
[06:59] <Sephy|X> Does anyone know a funky way to make fc2 drivers work in ubuntu?
[06:59] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: recompile them
[07:00] <Blissex> masterLoki: troubleshooting section of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
[07:00] <pirast> ubotu speedtouch usb modem is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo | The article is for the UK only, I don't know if it works in other countries.
[07:00] <ubotu> okay, pirast
[07:00] <Sephy|X> masterLoki: Thanks, you just made me understand what my mom feels like when I tell her to google stuff
[07:01] <Sephy|X> =P
[07:01] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: That's why I'm here for!!
[07:01] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: You can try to see if there are references in the source code that you can fix
[07:02] <Sephy|X> Can you give me a hint of what I should do to recompile it? Edit the makefile or something like that?
[07:02] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: And the compile
[07:02] <gbetto> hola algun chat en espaol
[07:02] <pirast> ubotu forget speedtouch usb modem
[07:02] <ubotu> pirast: i forgot speedtouch usb modem
[07:02] <topyli> what are "fc2" drivers and how do you instadd drivers "funkily"?
[07:02] <EasterSunshine> !sp
[07:02] <ubotu> EasterSunshine: I don't know
[07:02] <beh> anyone know of a guide on howto setup a solid ubuntu server (web / ssh / dns )?
[07:02] <Daywalker_> .
[07:02] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: Yes if got binary files, you should try to get the source instead
[07:02] <CarlFK> beh - boot CD, do a "server" insatll.
[07:02] <EasterSunshine> beh, do a server install of ubuntu, then sudo apt-get install apache2 openssh-server bind
[07:03] <Weevil_Working> thats what i am looking for. is it a good distro for webservers?
[07:03] <topyli> beh: just like debian
[07:03] <Sephy|X> What would the sourcefile be named?
[07:03] <pirast> ubotu speedtouch 330 usb modem is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo The article is for the UK only and for the Speedtouch 330 USB modem only. Maybe it works in other countries.
[07:03] <ubotu> pirast: okay
[07:03] <brenner> gbetto:
[07:03] <brenner> !es
[07:03] <EasterSunshine> woo my printer actually works, thx guys
[07:03] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:03] <EasterSunshine> even though no one hlped me...
[07:03] <Baskerville> I am having problems with my sound card. Crimsun helped me, but sometimes I have sound on my laptop, but sometimes I don't...
[07:03] <Sephy|X> EasterSunshine: No problem
[07:03] <EasterSunshine> later
[07:04] <Pickle_Weasel> can i take credit for making it work? ^.^
[07:04] <Baskerville> Can someone help me?
[07:04] <Baskerville> I am having problems with my sound card. Crimsun helped me, but sometimes I have sound on my laptop, but sometimes I don't...
[07:04] <Baskerville> Can someone help me?
[07:04] <chrismy> hi all. i have 2 HDD. I first installed Winxp on the primary master HDD then installed ubuntu on secondary master. Now i have to set to the first HDD inorder to boot Linux but never again can I boot windows. what should i do?
[07:04] <Pickle_Weasel> woo! \o/
[07:04] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: you should take a look in the makefile and see if you got everything you need
[07:04] <topyli> pirast: nobody will remeber those keywords you're teaching to the bot :)
[07:04] <Sephy|X> Ok, thx
[07:04] <Weevil_Working> try reinstalling windows.
[07:04] <brenner> Baskerville: if crimusn couldn't fix it .. i doubt these buggers would be able to :-/
[07:05] <Baskerville> brenner: It did, but than he exited...
[07:05] <pirast> topyli: Right :-) Should I delete it?
[07:05] <Blissex> chrismy: revise your GRUB or LILO config.
[07:05] <Sephy|X> insmod: error inserting '8180_26_private.ko': -1 Invalid module format <-- could it be the .ko filetype?
[07:05] <Baskerville> I think he couldn't finish...
[07:05] <hno> i tried to burn CD/DVD in nautilus but my burner is not listed ??? can anyone help me ???
[07:05] <Baskerville> ... helping me
[07:05] <chrismy> Weevil_Working, will Windows take over linux? which mean the result will be reversed of booting windows but not linux
[07:05] <topyli> pirast: dunno, it's no real harm i think
[07:05] <Baskerville> Right now I have sound
[07:05] <pirast> k
[07:05] <Baskerville> But the next time I start, maybe I won't
[07:05] <brenner> Baskerville: ok...
[07:05] <Blissex> chrismy: it is pretty easy to configure GRUB or LILO to  boot MS Windows from its paretition on 'hda' and GNU Linux from 'hdc'.
[07:05] <Weevil_Working> no clue, im a noob, but thats what i would do.
[07:05] <brenner> Baskerville: do you get system sounds?
[07:06] <samu2> how do i make this find work?
[07:06] <chrismy> Blissex, how do i revise Grub? I have seen it but no windows boot record there
[07:06] <samu2> i tried find usr perl for example
[07:06] <topyli> pirast: pelple can look at the list of keywoards if they like, and they'll go, wow, someone has put in a factoid about my exact hardware :)
[07:06] <Baskerville> brenner: Yes, right now I have everything
[07:06] <Weevil_Working> so wait, you have two hard drives? or just 1 hard drive partitioned?
[07:06] <chrismy> Blissex, would you mind guiding me to do it?
[07:06] <chrismy> :(
[07:06] <nessmuk> my Linux-guru buddy says that on a recent install of Ubuntu he was surprised to see konqueror and kmail in the first round of the install. Can someone tell me how/why/when this happens by itself?
[07:06] <brenner> Baskerville: what about when you lose sound?
[07:06] <Blissex> chrismy: without being there is practically impossible...
[07:06] <chrismy> Blissex, well
[07:07] <Blissex> chrismy: however, first describe your current situation...
[07:07] <Blissex> chrismy: like: what are you able to do right now?
[07:07] <Baskerville> brenner: Nothing. It tells me that there is no sound device and to execute "esd" in a console
[07:07] <chrismy> Blissex, ok
[07:07] <Baskerville> The sound icon has a red "X" over it
[07:07] <brenner> Baskerville: and you do so?
[07:07] <hno> where can i tell nautilus what device to use for burning?
[07:07] <borfast> guys, this is more an fdisk question than an Ubuntu one but what do the '+' next to the"Blocks" column in fdisk mean?
[07:07] <brenner> Baskerville: did you execute esd?
[07:08] <Baskerville> brenner: yes, and it tells me that there is no such directory (dev/dsp)
[07:08] <topyli> hno: when you choose "burn", the dialog should have a drop-down menu of devices
[07:08] <Blissex> borfast: something very strange that you should not worry about -- basically that the partition is not a whole multiple of the blocksize.
[07:08] <borfast> * next to the "Blocks" column elements...
[07:08] <beh> anyone know how to setup apache with suexec?
[07:08] <borfast> oh, ok
[07:08] <Blissex> chrismy: what can you boot right?
[07:08] <borfast> thanks :)
[07:08] <Blissex> chrismy: what can you boot right now?
[07:09] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: Which driver are you tring to install??
[07:09] <hno> topyli: in this menue is only Image-writer listed
[07:09] <brenner> Baskerville: like i said ... pretty much no sound gurus in here except for crimsun... you can try this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/    but i'd keep droppign by in here to see if he's active
[07:09] <Baskerville> brenner: Thanks!
[07:09] <lapo> hno, check if your user is in cdron group
[07:10] <topyli> hno: oh, if you should have more devices but don't, then something else is broken, not nautilus
[07:10] <hno> topyli: i will check this thx.
[07:10] <chrismy> Blissex, earlier, i have already had linux but reinstalled windows for some bloody reasons. but then windows took over linux(boot) so i can't boot into linux nor i have a choice to boot. after getting ideas from people, i did by using 2 HDD. first installed windows on the first HDD then installed linux on the second HDD. this time, i have to set(BIOS) to boot on the first HDD to start linux but no choice of going back to windows.
[07:10] <Gnonthgol> I got ubotu remember itself again
[07:11] <chrismy> Blissex, oops earlier i have dual boot OS in the same HDD
[07:11] <Gnonthgol> ubotu what is ubotu
[07:11] <ubotu> Gnonthgol: what are you talking about?
[07:11] <masterLoki> Sepht|X: You can try this http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=15340
[07:11] <topyli> heh
[07:11] <chrismy> Blissex, now i have 2 HDD. one for each OS :D
[07:11] <Gnonthgol> ! ubotu
[07:11] <ubotu> from memory, ubotu is Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:11] <brenner> Gnonthgol: i saw ...thanks
[07:11] <chumphries> i had that already :)
[07:11] <albacker> chismy you can configure the windows boot manager. so you add another entry for linux.
[07:12] <chrismy> albacker, truly i do not know how to do it
[07:12] <Blissex> chrismy: the only decent way to get out of your mess is to make sure that the BIOS is set to leave things as they are.
[07:12] <Blissex> chrismy: almost surely you have installed the GNU/Linux boot manager onto the first disk. That's perfectly fine.
[07:12] <chrismy> Blissex, yes but it won't boot into windows
[07:12] <Gnonthgol> ! ubotu
[07:12] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:12] <Gnonthgol> I did it
[07:12] <albacker> chrismy, neither do i. but that can be done. chrismy  or get a live cd. boot in it. edit grub or with fdisk. set the linux partition as bootable and the windows one no..
[07:13] <hno>  topyli: it works with nero ???
[07:13] <Blissex> chrismy: it is extraordinarily easy to add the MS Windows partition to the GNU/Linux boot manager, whatever it is.
[07:13] <brenner> Gnonthgol: yes, we know...now stop flooding pls
[07:13] <chrismy> ok :(
[07:13] <CarlFK> in searching ubuntuforums.org for help setting up a modem connection to the Net - searching for "dialup" gave me 439 hits, skimming them and I don't see anything usefull.  what is a better term to search on?
[07:13] <Blissex> chrismy: there are several utilities to help you do that.
[07:13] <Gnonthgol> ok
[07:13] <lapo> chrismy,  you can try playing around with a grub boot disk, ask google for help
[07:13] <HappyFool> CarlFK: have you looked on the wiki? i think there's a dialup howto there
[07:13] <chrismy> lapo, i had and they are very confusing
[07:14] <Blissex> chrismy: which particular boot program have you installed? GRUB or LILO?
[07:14] <brenner> CarlFK: the wiki
[07:14] <CarlFK> HappyFool - yes, read that HowTo and it doesn't help with my "user" problem
[07:14] <chrismy> Blissex, i have not knowledge but the boot i see i GRUB upon startup
[07:14] <chrismy> *no
[07:14] <Blissex> lapo: he does not need to use a GRUB boot disk -- he can bot into Linux.
[07:14] <HappyFool> CarlFK: what problem is that?
[07:14] <CarlFK> I want a user to be able to connect without using sudo
[07:14] <Blissex> chrismy: xcan you get into GNOME or KDE?
[07:15] <chrismy> lapo, yes i can boot into linux but not windows
[07:15] <lapo> uhm...so what's the problem then? :-)
[07:15] <chrismy> Blissex, how do you mean?
[07:15] <chrismy> Blissex, i am in linux now
[07:15] <lapo> chrismy,  nice
[07:15] <Blissex> chrismy: and is it all nice and windowy?
[07:15] <chrismy> Blissex, ubuntu is naturally gnome
[07:15] <HappyFool> CarlFK: i think that's what the 'dip' group is for; I can do 'pon <myispid>' and i dialup; unfortunately, the modem applet does require a password
[07:15] <aftertaf> kubuntu :)
[07:15] <Blissex> chrismy: some people come here and they have installed Kubuntu...
[07:16] <lapo> chrismy, so explain me you situation, you can boot linux 'cause you have changed the proiority of hdd in bios boot setup
[07:16] <chrismy> Blissex, hmm yes in linux everything is fine. just the problem i can't get the second HDD to boot good ole windows
[07:16] <albacker> chrismy, when bootin in linux. run fdisk and set the linux partition as bootable and set the windows  non-bootable. and configure /boot/grub/menu.lst 'by adding another entry for windows OS..
[07:16] <lapo> right?
[07:16] <HappyFool> CarlFK: a possible solution is to add users to the 'dip' group, and add launchers to start/stop the connection
[07:16] <Blissex> chrismy: OK, now, just start up the little GNOME utility to configure the GRUB boot menu.
[07:16] <brenner> wha't so bad about asking for a pwd?
[07:16] <chrismy> albacker, ahh that sounds professional!
[07:16] <albacker> and than when booting to linux, it asks for your OS. linux or windows !
[07:16] <CarlFK> HappyFool - thanks
[07:16] <chrismy> albacker, erm...but what do i add in to the menu.lst???
[07:17] <chrismy> Blissex, erm....i need to install that utility?
[07:17] <albacker> chrismy, wait
[07:17] <lapo> albacker, it's not that easy, if he changed the boot priority from bios windows will propably get mad at him
[07:17] <chrismy> albacker, ok
[07:17] <HappyFool> CarlFK: cool; i'm just checking up on this dip thing, but i think i'm right
[07:17] <albacker> title Windows 2K/XP/2003 (hda1)
[07:17] <albacker> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[07:17] <albacker> makeactive
[07:17] <albacker> chainloader +1
[07:17] <albacker> savedefault
[07:17] <Blissex> chrismy: usually not . What you need to add the the 'menu.lst' is two lines saying which partition your MS windows insrtall is in.
[07:17] <HappyFool> CarlFK: oops. i'm guessing the 'dialout' group is more likely
[07:17] <chrismy> albacker, that much???
[07:17] <chrismy> phew
[07:17] <brenner> albacker: DON't paste > 3 lines
[07:17] <albacker> brenner, sorry
[07:18] <Blissex> chrismy: and what albacker write is good
[07:18] <albacker> chrismy, if your wnidows part. is hda1 you have to put hd(0,0)
[07:18] <chrismy> albacker, erm nooooo i have 2 HDD not 1
[07:18] <CarlFK> HappyFool - the box is now at a friends house - in an hour or so I will have one here to play with
[07:18] <albacker> if it is hda2 you have to put hd(o,1)
[07:18] <chrismy> albacker, one for linux and the other for windows
[07:18] <Blissex> chrismy: to figure out which partition contains MS Windows, type 'fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[07:18] <albacker> chrismy, im talking about the windows one.
[07:18] <chrismy> HOLD ON GUYS I AM CONFUSED...one at a time :P
[07:19] <brenner> albacker: np....just know in future, ops will likely kick you if they're feeling grumpy
[07:19] <rolo> How comes that GAIM keeps saying my contacts closed the convo when they don't? Anybody got a clue?
[07:19] <chrismy> let me try the fdisk of Blissex and the commands of albacker :D
[07:19] <albacker> chrismy, are you in linux now ?
[07:19] <Pickle_Weasel> whenever i try to download a package, it tells me "E: Couldn't find package BLAH" why is this?
[07:19] <chrismy> albacker, infact where will i be if i can't boot into windows??? (no offense)
[07:20] <lapo> chrismy, it is not usefull to set the bootable flag the partition is alredy bootable and is on another physical disk
[07:20] <albacker> ah ok..
[07:20] <Blissex> chrismy: 1also look at http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/ for future use
[07:20] <HappyFool> Pickle_Weasel: well, assuming the package is a valid one, you possibly haven't added the network repositories to the systems package search list
[07:20] <chrismy> i am very new to this booting. so i hope you guys won't get mad at me :(
[07:21] <Pickle_Weasel> how would i add the network repositories?
[07:21] <lapo> chrismy, let me understand, you installed windows on hd1, then chaged the boot priorito to hd2 and installed linux there, right?
[07:21] <Viziri> can I install openmotif from synaptic? can't find it- know repositories?
[07:21] <HappyFool> !tell Pickle_Weasel about repos
[07:21] <chrismy> lapo, ok let me repeat...
[07:21] <konra`> I need most all standard video and audio codecs, how do I do this?
[07:21] <HappyFool> Pickle_Weasel: the wiki page ubotu has sent to you should tell you how
[07:21] <Blissex> Viziri: try adding some Debian repository
[07:21] <lapo> uhm...wow I'm a typo factory
[07:21] <Pickle_Weasel> i just don't know what repository to add to be able to download from packages.ubuntu.com
[07:22] <Blissex> Viziri: Ubuntu Hoary and Debian Sarge are almost entirely compatible.
[07:22] <Viziri> ok Blissex
[07:22] <HappyFool> Pickle_Weasel: read the links ubotu has sent to you
[07:22] <Pickle_Weasel> will do
[07:23] <metis> can someone guide me to install realplayer...ive downloaded the bin file to my desktop (logged as root) and i dont know how to run it from terminal...i cant double on as i get an error...ive changed permissions to 755
[07:24] <albacker> chrismy, find in which hda you have installed windows.. find in which hda you have installed linux... run fdisk as root, and set linux partition as bootable. and set the windows one as not.. edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by adding the windows entry ... and configure the windows entry hd(0,X) x should be hdaN-1. if it is hda1 X should ne 0 and if it is 2 X should be 1....
[07:24] <anachronism> hi
[07:24] <HappyFool> CarlFK: ok, it is the 'dip' group; the files in /etc/ppp/peers are in that group; sorry for the back-and-forth. You can also look inside /usr/bin/pon to confirm
[07:24] <anacron> hello
[07:24] <chrismy> lapo, i have 2 IDE HDD. I first installed damn windows on the first one(primary master). then I installed ubuntu on the second HDD(secondary master). the default of BIOS is to boot from the 1st HDD. unfortunately it says no system blah blah blah. so i have to set BIOS to boot on the second HDD. but then ONLY linux (grub) can be seen booting and no futher options to either boot windows or ubuntu
[07:25] <beh> anyone know how to setup apache with suexec?
[07:25] <anacron> has anyone of you installed bf2 and can play it successfully in ubuntu hoary?
[07:25] <chrismy> albacker, hold on slow slow.....i can't go too fast fast :D
[07:25] <albacker> chrismy, hmm you have two hdd's
[07:25] <djfm> hi
[07:26] <chrismy> albacker, precisely
[07:26] <lapo> chrismy, what exactly says, no system or ntdl something missing?
[07:26] <chrismy> lapo, you got it!
[07:26] <anachronism> Excuse me, could anybody tell me why the fonts in gnome-applications look smooth and allright while the fonts in other applications like xmms look all grainy and small? They just look like the "no antialiasing"-preview in the font-configuration of ubuntu
[07:26] <lapo> albacker, two physical disk the bootable flag as no effect
[07:26] <chrismy> lapo, hmm not missing but something not there though....
[07:26] <cemc> anacron: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/suexec.html
[07:26] <lapo> chrismy, well, ok this is the windows boot manager not finding windows files to boot
[07:26] <chrismy> too many suggestions here. so whom do i listen to?
[07:27] <lapo> chrismy, so it actually boot from that device
[07:27] <cemc> anacron: or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/suexec.html for apache2
[07:27] <chrismy> lapo, so you mean windows is stupid?
[07:27] <chrismy> :P
[07:27] <lapo> chrismy, if you change the priority again what happen?
[07:27] <albacker> damn i get confused from everyone else writting in here @ chrismy lapo
[07:27] <konra`> how can I get most all standard video and audio codecs?
[07:27] <albacker> lapo, if he changes he wont boot in windows..
[07:27] <BrightLight> Hello. Ubuntu installer is unable to find my Slimtype DVDRW (Laptop-Acer TravelMate 4152Lmi). Is there any other way to install Ubuntu ?
[07:28] <lapo> chrismy, nope (well, yes) you changed its disk mapping changing the boot priority
[07:28] <chumphries> konra`: for mplayer? on mplayer's site
[07:28] <chrismy> lapo, hmm told ya :( i have to set to the first HDD in order to boot. Boot here is just linux(in fact linux was installed in the second HDD). by setting the first HDD to boot, notihng will come out
[07:28] <lapo> chrismy, if you change the boot priority again you should be able to boot windows
[07:28] <chrismy> lapo, ok how and guide me step-by-step
[07:29] <lapo> chrismy, uhm....nothing? no error messages?
[07:29] <chrismy> :)
[07:29] <chrismy> lapo, or you want me to log off and come back again? so i know what EXACTLY is says
[07:29] <chrismy> lapo, ok?
[07:29] <konra`> chumphries, the mplayer site is refusing my connection
[07:29] <lapo> chrismy, you have to change the mapping of the disks from the boot manager, I don't know how to do it in grub, let me see
[07:29] <chrismy> albacker, i am confused to , so am i, so am i
[07:30] <chrismy> lapo, ok let me log of and tell you what the heck it says.
[07:30] <chrismy> see ya!
[07:30] <albacker> lapo chrismy  /join #help_chrismy
[07:31] <chumphries> konra`: try a mirror
[07:31] <anacron> cemc, i don't care about apache? I wan't battlefield 2
[07:32] <chumphries> konra`: http://www4.MPlayerHQ.hu
[07:32] <konra`> chumphries, yeah, that's what I did :)
[07:32] <anacron> what about latest steam and hl2? i can't get those work either?
[07:33] <_breed> Has anyone seen (and gotten past) the "Could not set capabilities" problem with ethereal?
[07:34] <aurax> hello
[07:34] <kamikazesponge> i'm used to fedora, that has a /rc.d/init.d/rc.local file (if i recall correctly), is there an alternative for that file in ubuntu?
[07:34] <aurax> can anyone help me with sata raid issues ?
[07:34] <chrismy> back!!!!!!!!!!
[07:34] <aurax> forward!!!!!
[07:34] <aurax> :)
[07:34] <kamikazesponge> rofl
[07:34] <albacker> chrismy, what was there
[07:34] <lapo> chrismy, be wuick my time is running out :-)
[07:34] <chrismy> lapo,  i got it. it says error loading operating system
[07:34] <chrismy> albacker, ahh you are there too
[07:35] <lapo> chrismy, follow my instruction step by step
[07:35] <lapo> k?
[07:35] <cemc> aurax: not sure, but shoot :)
[07:35] <albacker> chrismy, windows error
[07:35] <aurax> oki :)
[07:35] <chrismy> lapo, yes i try , yes albacker thatis the window
[07:35] <aurax> i got 4 80gb's WD
[07:35] <aurax> with Silicon Image 31145
[07:35] <aurax> 3114*
[07:35] <kamikazesponge> cemc: i got the openvpn working under linux with windows clients
[07:35] <aurax> i setted sata raid and the installation see's it as 4 discs
[07:35] <cemc> kamikazesponge: kewl
[07:35] <cemc> kamikazesponge: you have a howto?:)
[07:36] <aurax> i tried software raid but it says that ext3 creation is bad
[07:36] <kamikazesponge> cemc: uhh.. yes, the one on www.openvpn.net :P
[07:36] <kamikazesponge> cemc: the only difference i know of between us is that i compiled it from scratch and you used rpm right?
[07:36] <metis> can anyone help me install the new realplayer?
[07:37] <cemc> aurax: hm... i think you should use soft raid
[07:37] <cemc> aurax: you have some offboard sata controller?
[07:37] <NoUse> metis as in the not the one in hoary-extras?
[07:37] <aurax> also
[07:38] <aurax> i tried it with offboard
[07:38] <kamikazesponge> i'm used to fedora, that has a /rc.d/init.d/rc.local file (if i recall correctly), is there an alternative for that file in ubuntu? anyone?
[07:38] <aurax> and with the 3112 onboard
[07:38] <metis> nouse: there is a new version ...ive downloaded the bin file but dont know the command line to run it....im logged as root
[07:38] <nekohayo> is the ieee1394 kernel module loaded by default?
[07:38] <cemc> aurax: what kind of raid do you want ?
[07:39] <NoUse> metis chmod u+x file.bin
[07:39] <NoUse> ./file.bin
[07:39] <mkoala> hello!
[07:39] <aurax> i thought about raid0 for / and raid1 for /usr
[07:39] <albacker> chrismy, good luck. hope that lapo helps :)
[07:39] <metis> i have to be in the folder right?
[07:39] <anacron> nekohayo, yes i think
[07:39] <NoUse> metis yes
[07:39] <chrismy> albacker, well he is going VERY SOON
[07:39] <aurax> cemc, possible right?
[07:39] <nekohayo> every app I try to use to access raw1394 says I don't have the permission, or that it's possibly not loaded
[07:39] <BrightLight> Hello. Ubuntu installer is unable to find my Slimtype DVDRW (Laptop-Acer TravelMate 4152Lmi). Is there any other way to install Ubuntu ?
[07:39] <mkoala> where is possible to download the kernel source package?
[07:40] <NoUse> !info kernel-source
[07:40] <NoUse> !info linux-source
[07:40] <chrismy> albacker, oops...he has gone
[07:40] <albacker> :S
[07:40] <metis> nouse: i do "ls" but dont know how to get into the desktop folder to run the file
[07:40] <HappyFool> and read the kernelhowto page
[07:40] <HappyFool> !kernelhowto
[07:40] <ubotu> it has been said that kernelhowto is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[07:40] <albacker> lapo is italian !! ("Sto andando via")
[07:40] <metis> i see desktop when i do "ls"
[07:40] <chrismy> albacker, would you interpret for me please?
[07:40] <cemc> aurax: raid0, hm?
[07:41] <albacker> chrismy, !?
[07:41] <cemc> aurax: you sure you want that?
[07:41] <chrismy> albacker, oh spaghetti!
[07:41] <chrismy> hehehe
[07:41] <NoUse> metis cd?
[07:41] <Pickle_Weasel> mkoala, it's already in your synaptic manager
[07:41] <metis> cd /desktop?
[07:41] <cemc> aurax: and for / ?
[07:41] <aurax> me, no... thats what's the admin wanted
[07:41] <aurax> lol
[07:41] <Pickle_Weasel> just mark it for installation
[07:41] <cemc> aurax: :)
[07:41] <chrismy> albacker, he was in a rush so i can't follow him quite well.
[07:41] <NoUse> metis take off the slash and remember its case sensative
[07:41] <aurax> i just do what he wants.
[07:41] <aurax> ;)
[07:41] <aurax> but anyway
[07:41] <aurax> after configuring at the card bios
[07:41] <albacker> chrismy,  :S. he might come back...
[07:41] <aurax> i went to ubuntu installation
[07:42] <aurax> and saw 4 drives
[07:42] <chrismy> :( ok
[07:42] <aurax> i was sepose to see 2, 1 of 160 and another one of 80
[07:42] <aurax> that what i was confused about
[07:42] <cemc> aurax: actually i tried raid0 only with windows,
[07:42] <kamikazesponge> i want some programs to run on boot without the whole init script bullshit, is there another way like fedora's rc.local?
[07:42] <cemc> it saw a 160 gb (from 2x80),
[07:42] <cemc> but i didn't try it on linux
[07:43] <albacker> chrismy, im going too. i wish you good luck. bye :)
[07:43] <HappyFool> kamikazesponge: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[07:43] <m1th> anyone here running ubuntu via vmware? :p
[07:43] <chrismy> albacker, sure thanks~
[07:43] <cemc> if i'm not mistaken, you can set up raid on ubuntu install
[07:43] <chrismy> :D
[07:43] <topyli> kamikazesponge: rc.local is an init script, sorry
[07:43] <aurax> cemc, software raid
[07:43] <cemc> yepp
[07:43] <cemc> you tried that ?
[07:43] <kamikazesponge> topyli: maybe, but it worked a lot easyer then a full-fledged init script
[07:44] <kamikazesponge> HappyFool: i'll try
[07:44] <topyli> kamikazesponge: that's what it is. write one for your ubuntu box too
[07:44] <Tadej`Certanc> hello
[07:44] <Tadej`Certanc> what package am I missing?
[07:44] <kamikazesponge> topyli: you mean i can just put a rc.local script in /etc/init.d and it'll execute those commands after everything else has booted?
[07:44] <Tadej`Certanc> checking for gcc... gcc
[07:44] <Tadej`Certanc> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:45] <cemc> aurax: i say you try the soft raif first, see if it works out
[07:45] <thrush> tadej: did you apt-get build-essential?
[07:45] <liquidfire> !mount
[07:45] <ubotu> I heard mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[07:45] <topyli> kamikazesponge: sure. then make a link to it for /etc/rc2.d
[07:46] <liquidfire> !windowsdrives
[07:46] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, totally, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[07:46] <Pickle_Weasel> what's a good mp3 player? xmms freezes whenever i try to play anything
[07:46] <kamikazesponge> topyli: not 3?
[07:46] <aurax> cemc, confused ...
[07:46] <konra`> Pickle_Weasel,  rhythmbox
[07:46] <Pickle_Weasel> is that for gnome?
[07:46] <topyli> kamikazesponge: no, this is debian :)
[07:46] <konra`> Pickle_Weasel, yes
[07:46] <aurax> anyone got sata raid installed?
[07:46] <Pickle_Weasel> ty ^.^
[07:46] <Tadej`Certanc> thrush: E: Invalid operation build-essential
[07:46] <m1th> im trying to dual boot windows/ubuntu on my laptop but ive had a pretty nasty experience trying to get mandrake 10.1 and windowsxp to dual boot on my other machince... the boot loader borkation occured then. im wondering whether there's an easy option to get linux install on an ntfs with windowsxp
[07:46] <konra`> Pickle_Weasel, comes with the default ubuntu configuration
[07:46] <kamikazesponge> topyli: ok, thanks. i know i'm being a pain in the .. well, you know
[07:47] <HappyFool> Tadej`Certanc: try 'apt-get install build-essential'
[07:47] <konra`> m1th, this isn't mandrake is it?
[07:47] <topyli> kamikazesponge: nah, you've been using a different system that's all
[07:47] <cemc> aurax: like i said, i think software raid would be better for you... try installing ubuntu and set up a raid on install
[07:47] <kamikazesponge> topyli: if you say so :)
[07:47] <m1th> konra`, yeah, but the same stuff might happen
[07:47] <topyli> heh
[07:48] <m1th> LILO/GRUB both hanging before start
[07:48] <konra`> m1th, ubuntu uses grub and mandrake lilo, so slightly different
[07:48] <m1th> im just wondering how ubuntu deals with ntfs HDs
[07:48] <konra`> ignores, I think
[07:48] <konra`> m1th, I'm dualing ubuntu and windows
[07:48] <cemc> aurax: it looks like linux sees through that raid set up in the BIOS, hm ?
[07:48] <konra`> m1th, and ubuntu can't access the ntfs, and windows can't acces the ext3
[07:49] <kamikazesponge> topyli: and a symbolic link or a hard link?
[07:49] <konra`> m1th, so I have a shared fat32 partition
[07:49] <metis> nouse: this is what i get "bash: .RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: command not found
[07:49] <metis> "
[07:49] <m1th> konra`, did you have your HD ntfs initially? beofre installing ubuntu
[07:49] <topyli> kamikazesponge: symlink
[07:49] <m1th> or was it fat32?
[07:49] <m1th> ah
[07:49] <kamikazesponge> topyli: uhh.. ok, time for man ln :P
[07:49] <Pickle_Weasel> i need and mp3 plugin/codec
[07:49] <Pickle_Weasel> =\
[07:49] <Pickle_Weasel> an*
[07:49] <NoUse> metis you didn't include the slash
[07:50] <metis> whops needed the slash...thx looks good
[07:50] <NoUse> !bash
[07:50] <ubotu> For a list of basic commands, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[07:50] <topyli> kamikazesponge: ln -s :)
[07:50] <konra`> m1th, I partitioned to : 40 GB ext3, 40 GB fat32, 80 GB ntfs
[07:50] <Pickle_Weasel> when i try to play something on rythmbox it tells me "no plugin installed to play..."
[07:50] <metis> didnt realize the capitals make a difference either.....i didnt think it was case sensitve
[07:50] <kamikazesponge> topyli: so symbolic link..
[07:50] <infinito> anyone here using a laptop??
[07:50] <topyli> kamikazesponge: yes
[07:50] <Blissex> infinito: yes.
[07:50] <NoUse> metis all real OSes are
[07:50] <liquidfire> !network
[07:50] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, liquidfire
[07:50] <m1th> konra`,  using partition magic?
[07:50] <kamikazesponge> ok
[07:50] <m1th> or does ubuntu installer come with one?
[07:51] <liquidfire> anybody can help me with my network :/?
[07:51] <infinito> Blissex: maybe you can try this http://infinito.f2o.org/laptoptemp/
[07:51] <liquidfire> i can't seem to see my windows pc's
[07:51] <metis> windows isnt real?
[07:51] <Tadej`Certanc> It works
[07:51] <Tadej`Certanc> thanks
[07:51] <infinito> Blissex: and tell me if it works for you
[07:51] <konra`> m1th, no, fdisk :p
[07:51] <konra`> m1th, easy once you know how to use it
[07:51] <konra`> m1th, and plenty powerful
[07:51] <thrush> =)
[07:51] <m1th> yeah, but it doesnt work on
[07:51] <m1th> ntfs
[07:51] <konra`> m1th, I installed windows, then ubuntu, after setting up that partitioning
[07:52] <konra`> soo I let windows format it's ntfs itself
[07:52] <Blissex> infinito: I use KDE ;-)
[07:52] <infinito> Blissex: hehe thanks any way!
[07:52] <m1th> ntfs partition cant be reached via DOS hence, no fdisk
[07:52] <NoUse> metis not a real OS
[07:52] <topyli> m1th: fdisk doesn't work on ntfs?
[07:52] <Ramah> is there an easy way to rename hd's being mounted automatically?
[07:53] <nitin> anyone install ispconfig on ubuntu?
[07:53] <metis> lol cool thx man
[07:53] <NoUse> metis np
[07:53] <m1th> topyli, er...
[07:53] <moparfan90> hello. does ubuntu come with wine installed?
[07:53] <Ramah> mopar no
[07:53] <kamikazesponge> topyli: like this? root@warlock:/etc/init.d # ln -s rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99others
[07:53] <moparfan90> o is it hard to install?
[07:53] <konra`> m1th, use fdisk to set up your linux area, shared area, and leave some blank space which you can use for your windows install
[07:53] <NoUse> moparfan90 no but you can get it with synaptic
[07:54] <moparfan90> ook
[07:54] <Ramah> mopar: goto their website and they have a complete install guide for ubuntu
[07:54] <m1th> konra`, aha but i dont wanna lose my data on this HD
[07:54] <Ramah> i mananaged it :)
[07:54] <m1th> konra`, so i might have to go with partition magic
[07:54] <topyli> kamikazesponge: i guess. make sure the script is executable too
[07:55] <kamikazesponge> topyli: thx, nearly forgot
[07:55] <konra`> m1th, ah
[07:55] <samuel> sup all
[07:55] <antix> is there a program for saving streaming audio? *.rm
[07:55] <konra`> m1th, I backedup everything beforehand
[07:55] <metis> im trying to view this website "www.cbtnuggets.com" under "free videos" but dont know what video file format the website is using...can someone help me with what i need to play these videos....my screen is just black when i click on one of the free videos
[07:55] <konra`> m1th, on a netowkr share
[07:56] <samuel> can someone tell me please the repository of breezy?
[07:56] <m1th> konra`, yeah i do have to baackup first though
[07:56] <konra`> m1th, easy for me because I can just use my families network shares :p
[07:57] <m1th> konra`, lucky :p
[07:57] <NoUse> !restricted
[07:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <NoUse> ^-- metis
[07:57] <metis> yup
[07:58] <metis> what is the best chat for ubuntu ....voice chat....im currently using gaim
[07:58] <metis> nouse: what were u saying?
[07:58] <NoUse> metis look above my message
[07:59] <NoUse> metis read that restricted formats page
[07:59] <metis> oh
[08:00] <kamikazesponge> topyli: maybe i just did something stupid, but openvpn wasn't started on boot
[08:01] <topyli> kamikazesponge: oh, openvpn. i'm fighting with it too. mine tries to start though :)
[08:02] <topyli> kamikazesponge: so your script is ok, starts with #!/bin/sh and all that?
[08:02] <kamikazesponge> topyli: mine doesn't even moan (actually it shows nothing at all)
[08:02] <metis> nouse: thx for the site but how do i know what the site is using for video....how do i determin if its flash or avi ....etc
[08:02] <kamikazesponge> topyli: err.. no >.<
[08:02] <topyli> heh
[08:02] <topyli> kamikazesponge: no shell takes responsibility for it :)
[08:03] <kamikazesponge> topyli: but can you manually run openvpn? i can make it run manually
[08:03] <Pickle_Weasel> i can't get rythmbox to work, it tells me i don't have the right plugin when i try to play an mp3
[08:03] <topyli> kamikazesponge: yes i can. i only have authentication problems with my university
[08:03] <kamikazesponge> topyli: is the port forwarded at the university? (or wherever the client is)
[08:04] <aurax> anyone ever tried to isntall software raid ?
[08:04] <NoUse> metis if you right-click on the page and click "View Page Info", there is a list of the media on the page
[08:04] <topyli> kamikazesponge: this is the client. all i did was make a hole in my firewall...
[08:04] <topyli> the university was so advertising their new vpn system :)
[08:04] <Gadi> hope someone can answer this:  Installed Hoary on a server SCSI hotswap drive.  Put it in identical server hardware, but kernel panics on boot
[08:04] <kamikazesponge> topily: you need the client too :P
[08:05] <anachronism> Does anybody know why the fonts may look grainy (i guess not anti-aliased) in some applications and in other applications they are allright?
[08:05] <Gadi> cant pivot root
[08:05] <Gadi> so, it find the boot partition ok, but cant find the rootfs
[08:05] <Gadi> grub points to /dev/sda1
[08:05] <topyli> kamikazesponge: i think i have it, hand-tailored from source from openvpn site, as per instructions by the university staff
[08:06] <kamikazesponge> topyli: and your university provided you with ca.crt, client.crt and client.key?
[08:07] <topyli> kamikazesponge: they gave me openvpn.conf, and "openvpn-hy.txt" which has a key
[08:08] <Kyral> !printing
[08:08] <ubotu> I don't know, Kyral
[08:08] <kamikazesponge> topyli: for as far as i know you need three files, whatever name they may have, names can be set in the conf, but they once had to be <you>.conf <you>.crt, <you>.key and ca.crt
[08:08] <kamikazesponge> four*
If you're a freshman, MSC Open House is a great place to find student organizations.</p>
[08:09] <JeffAMcGee> oops,sorry
[08:09] <topyli> kamikazesponge: i'll re-read the instructions =)
[08:09] <JeffAMcGee> I accidentally middle clicked
[08:09] <kamikazesponge> topyli: ok
[08:09] <metis> can anyone recommend a good chat site?
[08:09] <topyli> kamikazesponge: then i'll bother their IT staff. after all it was them who lured me into trying this ;)
[08:09] <kamikazesponge> metis: www.google.nl
[08:10] <kamikazesponge> topyli: lol
[08:11] <topyli> JeffAMcGee: i'm sure it's true though
[08:12] <topyli> metis: i recommend staying on IRC :)
[08:12] <kamikazesponge> topyli: still not working.. is there a way i can test if the script is actually runned?
[08:12] <metis> topyli: can i do voice chat ?
[08:12] <topyli> metis: no
[08:12] <metis> awwww lol
[08:13] <topyli> kamikazesponge: i don't think so. obviously it has failed though. mine starts with #!/bin/sh -e for some reason
[08:13] <thrush> metis: have you tried talk.google yet?
[08:14] <metis> nope i havent
[08:14] <tommi^> Hi. I've installed mysql, added a user, granted privileges and then made a small php script. I'm getting access denied for the user from the script and from mysql-admin program. Why doesn't mysql accept user/password? Thanks
[08:14] <kamikazesponge> topyli: shouldn't it be /bin/bash or something? (just a random thought, not that i know what i'm saying..)
[08:14] <topyli> bash is linked to sh
[08:14] <topyli> err. sh is linked to bash :)
[08:14] <kamikazesponge> topyli: ok. and what does the -e option do?
[08:15] <topyli> dunno
[08:15] <kamikazesponge> lol
[08:15] <topyli> i got a ready-made script for openvpn
[08:15] <Kyral> Anyone know why the heck I'm getting a memory leak from gDesklets?
[08:15] <cemc> tommi^: what does it say,
[08:15] <cemc> tommi^: when you try to connect to it with mysql -u user -p
[08:15] <cemc>  ?
[08:16] <tommi^> cemc, ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'tommi@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[08:16] <mgbaron> has anyone in this room done any apache port based virtual hosts before?
[08:16] <tommi^> I see, I got an error #id from that way
[08:16] <cemc> tommi^: what grant command did u use ?
[08:16] <Cylla> Is it possible to edit the network settings from the System menu? It states that I must have root access to modify them and I should press the Administrator Mode button. I have yet to be able to find it.
[08:16] <tommi^> cemc, mysqlnavigator's grant system
[08:17] <cemc> tommi^: hm, i don't know that...
[08:17] <yaul> question - how do i tell apt or dpkg to look in like say ~/debpackagesfolder/ for .deb's so if i have say mplayer.deb i can do apt-get install mplayer. also, how do i make it so this local stash of .debs has higher precedance over the ubuntu repositories? can i do this by modifying sources.list?
[08:17] <tommi^> cemc, I think added permission for both mysql and to a db
[08:17] <nitin> anyone know how to get ispconfig installed, its crashing for me with ERROR: Could not make OpenSSL
[08:17] <cemc> tommi^: do you have root password ?
[08:18] <cemc> tommi^: for mysql, i mean
[08:18] <tommi^> cemc, yes, I'm the administator.
[08:18] <Kyral> ....why doesn't gDesklets release VM properly...or at all for that matter?'
[08:18] <cemc> tommi^: of course you do... stupid question..
[08:18] <cemc> tommi^: with that admin tool,
[08:19] <cemc> when you gave privileges,
[08:19] <chaps0063> What problems will I run into running without a swap partition?
[08:19] <cemc> what username did you put in?
[08:19] <cemc> did it ask for a hostname too ?
[08:19] <yaul> chaps0063: if you don't have enough ram some mem intense programs like openoffice/gimp will run slow
[08:19] <tommi^> cemc, the correct one. Hostname was %
[08:20] <topyli> kamikazesponge: i made a test script with webmin, with only one command /bin/false. use that as a skeleton: http://siltala.net/comp/test
[08:20] <chaps0063> yaul: okay, well OO was something I was going to use...
[08:20] <chaps0063> so thats good to know.
[08:20] <kamikazesponge> topyli: ok
[08:20] <cemc> tommi^: uhum... and i guess you type in the password right ?
[08:20] <AptGet> ubuntu claims to only need 64 megs of ram.....but i dont know about that
[08:20] <kamikazesponge> topyli: waah, it doesn't even look like mine :P
[08:20] <aurax> cemc u tried software raid ?
[08:20] <yaul> AptGet: maybe ubuntu can run in 64mb ram but no programs can :)
[08:20] <tommi^> cemc, that's for sure. I'll try now removing and adding the user again.
[08:20] <cemc> aurax: yes, but not on /
[08:21] <topyli> kamikazesponge: it's professionally forged by a machine, my scripts don't look like that either =)
[08:21] <kamikazesponge> topyli: lol :P
[08:21] <CarlFK> AptGet - I think I had it running on a 48meg box
[08:21] <topyli> kamikazesponge: webmin makes init scripts for whatever commands you like :)
[08:21] <kamikazesponge> topyli: then i guess i'd better get webmin..
[08:21] <AptGet> my advice to people with low ram......do a debian base install ... then get xfce ot icewm
[08:22] <cemc> aurax: i tried raid1
[08:22] <topyli> kamikazesponge: it's a nice tool for some things
[08:22] <kamikazesponge> topyli: so i've heard
[08:22] <CarlFK> yeah - I don't think I did a full install, but I did get xorg and firefiox running
[08:22] <kamikazesponge> topyli: can it just be installed with apt-get?
[08:22] <cemc> tommi^: try adding localhost as the hostname
[08:22] <kamikazesponge> topyli: waah, never mind..
[08:22] <thrush> icewm?! blackbox
[08:23] <tommi^> cemc, I think the user information table is somehow screwed. mysql_fix_privilege_tables gives me that kind of idea. Well, I'll poke around it little bit and see what I can come up with. Thanks for your help, I'll get back later..
[08:23] <AptGet> icewm is pretty cool imho
[08:23] <cemc> tommi^: i know that % = everything
[08:23] <topyli> kamikazesponge: yes. search for it in synaptic and you get a long list of modules
[08:23] <metis> anyone good at creloaded email config?
[08:23] <aurax> cemc
[08:23] <aurax> can you explain how
[08:23] <AptGet> but i have ram to spare so kde for me
[08:23] <kamikazesponge> topyli: i did apt-cache search but it wouldn't show anything for a long time.. didn't think there were so many things
[08:24] <cemc> aurax: read this http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[08:24] <AptGet> kamikazesponge: what package?
[08:24] <topyli> kamikazesponge: webmin, webmin-core and a kazillion module packages
[08:25] <aurax> cemc i would like to know if its possible to set a software raid @ isntallation level
[08:25] <aurax> level/phase
[08:25] <topyli> kamikazesponge: webmin-core has the essential system stuff
[08:25] <ssdd65> ok so im still having troble with xmms where it locks up whenever i press a buttion i do know the sound system is up though any ideas?
[08:25] <kamikazesponge> topyli: i just did webmin
[08:25] <kamikazesponge> topyli: but on what port is it..?
[08:25] <topyli> kamikazesponge: that's enough to configure webmin
[08:26] <topyli> it's at 10000
[08:26] <kamikazesponge> ok
[08:26] <topyli> but you need to enable root for a while
[08:26] <Gnonthgol> webmin has its own package system
[08:26] <kamikazesponge> topyli: i have that enabled by default (i know it's not all too safe..)
[08:26] <topyli> ok
[08:26] <AptGet> ssdd65: can you get into the xmms preferences?
[08:26] <cemc> aurax: that, you must see for yourself, i think with breezy you can, i never tried that one
[08:27] <kamikazesponge> topyli: uhm.. i get access denied :S
[08:27] <Gnonthgol> just use # apt-get install webmin-core and use webmin to install your modules
[08:27] <konra`> anyone know how to use synaptic to get mplayer?
[08:27] <sexcopter8000m> hello, does anyone know how i can tell ubuntu what to do when i close my laptop lid? at present it just seems to kinda shutdown gdm :s
[08:27] <topyli> kamikazesponge: do you get to the login page?
[08:27] <AptGet> konra`: did you add multiverse repos?
[08:28] <kamikazesponge> topyli: nope
[08:28] <konra`> AptGet, how?
[08:28] <Gnonthgol> ubotu tell konra`about mplayer
[08:28] <kamikazesponge> i get error - acces denied for 192.168.2.100
[08:28] <ttyS0> tommi^, i want to say about php script. i had same problem but then i've compiled php with --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql << there you should have ready mysql.
[08:28] <ssdd65> yea i can get into them... this only happens when i try to play mp3s...
[08:28] <topyli> kamikazesponge: it's probably not running. /etc/init.d/webmin start
[08:28] <aurax> err ill just give up on raid cemc
[08:28] <Gnonthgol> !mplayer
[08:28] <ubotu> I heard mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[08:28] <aurax> topyli can you send me that openvpn script
[08:28] <ssdd65> i havnt even though about trying wmas yet ;)
[08:28] <kamikazesponge> topyli: think it is, when i went to it with http:// it whined about ssl and that i had to use https
[08:28] <konra`> Gnonthgol, thanks
[08:29] <topyli> kamikazesponge: ah of course
[08:29] <cemc> aurax: no reason to, why don't you try it first? :)
[08:29] <kamikazesponge> topyli: uhh.. i still don't get it :P
[08:29] <topyli> aurax: the init script? i can trow it to the pastebin
[08:29] <cemc> aurax: if you have 4 empty disks, now is the time to experiment a bit ;)
[08:29] <aurax> its init script ? i thought it some kind of configurator sorry
[08:29] <aurax> cemc ehhe, im not @ work atm
[08:30] <topyli> kamikazesponge: perhaps you don't have any modules because you didn't install webmin-core
[08:30] <aurax> i wasted over 2hrs on it and i can't waste any more
[08:30] <aurax> or i'll have a pissed costumer.
[08:30] <kamikazesponge> topyli: think it is because the config only allowed localhost ^^;;
[08:30] <Belutz> oh... that's why.... foolish me
[08:30] <nitin> guys im getting access denied to 192.168.1.1 after i installed webmin, where cna i edit the access log
[08:30] <cemc> aurax: wasted? you want raid or not? :) if you can't set it up in 5 minutes, you don't do it at all ?
[08:30] <topyli> kamikazesponge: localhost yes. you're doing this remotely?
[08:31] <metis> does anyone here do remote troubleshooting ? I am looking for a price quote for help on ubuntu linux and specific help with creloaded storefront
[08:31] <aurax> ha ;p
[08:31] <aurax> cemc i tell you what i tried
[08:31] <kamikazesponge> topyli: of course, it's a server, lynx won't do much good with all those tables
[08:31] <aurax> @ installation phase i setted the 4 hd's from ext3 to partition reserverd for raid or sometihng like that
[08:31] <aurax> then i went to the raid configurator
[08:31] <aurax> create MD raid1
[08:31] <topyli> kamikazesponge: hrm. you have to get it to accept your network's clients
[08:32] <aurax> i setted it on ext3/swap
[08:32] <ssdd65> did i download the wrong decoder (for some reason there is two and it still dosnt work when i turn one off...)
[08:32] <kamikazesponge> topyli: already managed to do that, i'm struggling with modules now :P
[08:32] <anacron> do you guys have any tips how to run hl2?, steam gives an error when i try to start the game
[08:32] <aurax> bootable, when i tried to deploy
[08:32] <aurax> it really installed the ext3 @ the end it wrote installation failed
[08:33] <aurax> i got hash' smell under my window
[08:33] <aurax> weird
[08:33] <nitin> guys im getting access denied to 192.168.1.1 after i installed webmin, where cna i edit the access log
[08:33] <aurax> ./var/www/webmin .. .?
[08:33] <aurax> var/log
[08:33] <aurax> no ?
[08:33] <aurax> updatedb && locate webmin.log
[08:33] <cemc> aurax: installation failed, and that's it? nothing more ?
[08:33] <aurax> nada man
[08:33] <alie> hi how to customise gnome desktop to my needs
[08:34] <alie> any tutorial link will be great please
[08:34] <Gnonthgol> nitin: try to config /etc/webmin/miniserv.config
[08:34] <cemc> aurax: what ubuntu was that you tried ?
[08:34] <hmrocha> hello, i'm having some trouble with ubuntu, the user i created in the instalation can use usb disks, but i have a lot of users stored in AD, when they login, they can't mount usb disks
[08:34] <hmrocha> what can i do?
[08:35] <ssdd65> any ideas why my xmms locks up when ever i press any buttion while it trys to play an mp3
[08:35] <aurax> 5.04
[08:35] <aurax> shipped.. ;)
[08:35] <antix> ok I managed to rip the stream using mplayer..  http://grimthing.com/archives/2004/05/20/recording-streaming-audio-with-mplayer/
[08:35] <TTilus> usb disk related too...  those used to mount automatically but they don't do that anymora
[08:35] <TTilus> s/anymora/anymore
[08:35] <kamikazesponge> topyli: what module do i need for install scripts?
[08:36] <Gnonthgol> hmrocha: in /etc/fstab find the usb mount and set user an an argument
[08:36] <topyli> kamikazesponge: just webmin-core
[08:36] <kamikazesponge> hmmz ok
[08:36] <kamikazesponge> is webmin ok too?
[08:36] <topyli> no, i think it's just the server
[08:36] <kamikazesponge> ok
[08:36] <hmrocha> Gnonthgol, the usb disks are not in fstab, they are managed by HAL
[08:36] <Gnonthgol> hmrocha: like /dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[08:36] <nitin> Gnonthgol: crap, it blocked me whats the file that contains the blocked hosts?
[08:37] <Gnonthgol> nitin: that is that file normaly
[08:37] <thrush> can you edit usb disk settings in fstab? I've been needing the answer to this myself
[08:38] <nitin> Gnonthgol: whats the default user/password?
[08:38] <topyli> root's
[08:38] <Gnonthgol> ubotu tell nitin about webmin
[08:38] <thrush> god forbin i google anythin =)
[08:39] <jeang>  /umode +CE
[08:39] <cemc> aurax: i can't say... i'll have to try it myself...
[08:39] <Pro_Newbie> Hello, can someone give me a little tip: Im trying to get some new packages via Kynaptic, and it just says "You have broken packages.... " .. How can i find those ones and remove them???
[08:40] <hmrocha> Gnonthgol, i think i have to put the users in the "plugdev" group
[08:40] <aurax> thx
[08:41] <aurax> this time i wont use raid
[08:41] <Gnonthgol> hmrocha: possible
[08:41] <aurax> but next time i installs i wish it could work
[08:41] <hydrant> Ubuntu is having problems recognizing my UMAX SCSI scanner . Does anyone know why it might not be detecting it?
[08:41] <aurax> i was just finishing reading about fakeraid etc.. total waste of time
[08:42] <bytefoo> why is my eth1 (wireless) interface showing up in ifconfig as an ethernet device, even though I can see ipw2200 loaded as a module?
[08:42] <cemc> aurax: i'll try it tonight, and tell you how it went
[08:43] <Scrawny1> 2 questions
[08:43] <CarlFK> bytefoo - um.. what is the problem? (or are you just wondering why it is named what it is?)
[08:43] <Scrawny1> 1 when is Breezy stable relese comming out
[08:43] <bytefoo> well, it's not working
[08:43] <bytefoo> but lsmod shows that the module is loaded
[08:43] <Scrawny1> 2 whould it be a good idea to get the current relese?
[08:43] <Malin> what was the name of a tool that makes a .deb package from a binary?
[08:43] <bytefoo> so i'm wondering if it is somehow being misconfigured as an ethernet interface
[08:43] <aurax> ty celc
[08:44] <NoUse> !breezy
[08:44] <ubotu> breezy is probably the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[08:44] <CarlFK> Scrawny1 - do you want to use it or help develope it?
[08:44] <cemc> bytefoo: well it is one, no?
[08:44] <bytefoo> :/
[08:44] <cemc> bytefoo: does it have an ip address ?
[08:44] <bytefoo> no
[08:44] <Scrawny1> well I'm thinking about beta testing it
[08:44] <__filip_> i have setup an ftp-server and i can connect to it it work perfect but my frind can not connect to it. i think it because i dont allow there ip, somebody knows how to do that?
[08:44] <cemc> bytefoo: what does it say in /proc/net/wireless ?
[08:45] <bytefoo> umm interface eth1 status 0000 link 0 level 0 noise 0
[08:45] <bytefoo> everything 0
[08:45] <cemc> bytefoo: well then it's not connected to any wireless network i guess
[08:45] <Butcherbird_Jr> thrush you need spell checker
[08:46] <thrush> Butcherbird: who let you out of the closet? I said 2 hours!
[08:46] <Malin> what was the name of a tool that makes a .deb package from a binary?
[08:47] <CarlFK> duh.. who wanted to beta test?
[08:47] <Scrawny1> me
[08:47] <lapo> hi there
[08:47] <Scrawny1> thinking about beta testing and helping to work out any bugs
[08:47] <nessmuk> my Linux-guru buddy says that on a recent install of Ubuntu he was surprised to see konqueror and kmail in the first round of the install. Can someone tell me how/why/when this happens by itself?
[08:47] <chrismy> guys the boot for 2 hard drives and 2 OS not working....any ideas how to bring the boot back to normal mode? (bad english :P)
[08:48] <chrismy> lapo, no can't PM coz i am not registered it says. no wonder you can't get my messages just now
[08:49] <Gnonthgol> chrismy: are you using grub?, what is wrong
[08:49] <chrismy> lapo, how do i register so i could PM here and there :P hehehe
[08:49] <ttyS0> how do i determine what version of xfree86 is installed?
[08:49] <lapo> chrismy: join #lapo (/j #lapo)
[08:49] <Malin> it's checkinstall
[08:49] <Malin> !checkinstall
[08:49] <ubotu> hmm... checkinstall is a program used in place of "make install". It makes a simple deb for installation
[08:49] <topyli> ttyS0: X -version
[08:49] <chrismy> Gnonthgol, ahh yes you got it right but my case is very confusing. i do not know how to tell you. coz just now there has been a chaos coz of my case :(
[08:50] <__filip_> some one know how i can make an IP connect to me?
[08:50] <Arsonide> Hey I'm utterly new to Linux and I'm on Ubuntu now...but how do I shut down X server? The nvidia drivers are griping about it being on.
[08:50] <uuser> does anybody knows how to get workin a labtec webcam?
[08:50] <Gnonthgol> chrismy: have you tryed Lilo?
[08:51] <chrismy> Gnonthgol, no i do not want to be too complicated....any 'high' suggestions? lapo is also helping me
[08:51] <kyncani> Arsonide: you do know that you should install nvidia following the instructions on ubuntu wiki ?
[08:51] <linas_> nessmuk I guess konq was somehow in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:51] <Arsonide> kyncani, no I didn't.
[08:51] <ttyS0> topyli, is that any binary file or sh script?
[08:51] <linas_> but ... I can't find konq on ubuntu myself
[08:52] <topyli> ttyS0: "X" is a command, "-version" is an argument for it :)
[08:52] <kyncani> Arsonide: then go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and look for nvidia :)
[08:52] <cemc> aurax: i'm trying to install one right now, with raid0, on two harddisks
[08:52] <cemc> (actually it's in vmware, but that doesn't really matter, i think)
[08:52] <dalamar> you can also use the method on the nvidia website supposedly too though I used the wiki myself
[08:52] <topyli> ttyS0: just run it in a terminal (i think you need sudo)
[08:53] <Arsonide> I was told to do something like sudo init 3 and it didn't work.
[08:53] <sander> hi.. I got a  D-Link DWL-G520 wireless networking pci card.. how do I get it working in ubuntu?
[08:53] <anachronism> bye bye
[08:53] <ttyS0> topyli, oh thanks. it works :)
[08:53] <lapo> Arsonide: swith to a console (ctrl+alt+f1) then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:53] <tim__> hi
[08:53] <tim__> any germans here?
[08:53] <kyncani> Arsonide: A quick search on wiki.ubuntu.com returned https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[08:53] <keith> hey i need some help- how do i get java to work in mozilla? which package?
[08:53] <keith> !repositories
[08:53] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:54] <kyncani> Arsonide: next time you want something, go to ubuntu wiki first :)
[08:54] <Kyral> ubotu tell keith about java
[08:54] <keith> thanks kyral
[08:54] <cemc> brb
[08:54] <Kyral> The wiki needs a table of contents :P
[08:54] <__filip_> is it no one that knows about IP blocking/allow?
[08:54] <Arsonide> Did that command do anything devastating kyncani?
[08:54] <sander> I get up "Ethernet controller: Atheros Communication, Inc. Ar5212 802.llabg NIC (rev 01)" in lspci
[08:54] <Arsonide> And what's the difference between "Root Terminal" and "Terminal"?
[08:55] <Kyral> Root Terminal puts you as root
[08:55] <Kyral> terminal puts you as you :P
[08:55] <Pro_Newbie> Why i cant find any mplayer in apt ???
[08:55] <kyncani> Arsonide: no, nothing devastating, reboot, login (without nvidia) and follow wiki instructions
[08:55] <Kyral> !mplayer
[08:55] <ubotu> from memory, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[08:55] <uuser> is there a deb package or somethin like that to install the labtec driver, i've tried to compile spca5xx against the kernel, but no luck
[08:55] <Kyral> ubotu tell Pro_Newbie about mplayer
[08:56] <Arsonide> anyway gotta go eat lunch
[08:56] <Arsonide> bbiab
[08:56] <kamikazesponge> topyli: when i looked in my rc2.d folder i noticed something; the link i made to my rc.local file is red, and when i make a hard link it turns green. all other links are cyan, does that mean something?
[08:56] <kamikazesponge> like wrong type of link
[08:56] <Scrawny1> http://ubuntuguide.org <-----excellent Ubuntu how to website
[08:57] <Pro_Newbie> Scrawny1: lol i know it and there is just said sudo apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-386
[08:57] <topyli> kamikazesponge: erm. init.d has scripts, rc2.d has links
[08:57] <Pro_Newbie> and there is no such package
[08:57] <kyncani> Scrawny1: i think ubuntuguide is now FAQGuide
[08:57] <kamikazesponge> topyli: yes, that's what i said didn't i?
[08:57] <kamikazesponge> topily: i just called my script rc.local, because i'm used to that name
[08:58] <ttyS0> is there anybody who got Kylix3 OpenEdition working on ubuntu?
[08:58] <topyli> umm. yes
[08:58] <Pickle_Weasel> is there a way to make Gaim flash in the panel when i get a message?
[08:58] <topyli> kamikazesponge: nothing wrong with that then :)
[08:58] <Kyral> Pickle_Weasel, I believe there is a HOWTO in the forums
[08:58] <spiderworm> Pickle_Weasel: ooh if you figure that out, plz let me know
[08:58] <Scrawny1> it's an FAQ site yes, I'm a linux idiot and I can drive Ubuntu w/ that website only
[08:58] <kamikazesponge> topyli: just that the color of my link is different from all the others
[08:58] <kamikazesponge> !anyone
[08:58] <ubotu> somebody said anyone was 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[08:59] <topyli> heh
[08:59] <topyli> kamikazesponge: could be they're hard links after all :\
[08:59] <topyli> dunno
[09:00] <Ng> rc.d links are symbolic, not hard
[09:00] <kamikazesponge> topyli: hard links are green, i tested it
[09:00] <Scrawny1> if I do install to Breezy will it fuck up my current settings?
[09:00] <Ng> if the link went red it was probably broken ;)
[09:00] <Ng> I don't use colour ls though, so I don't know what red/green means
[09:00] <Ng> ls -l is a better way to examine links
[09:00] <kamikazesponge> Ng: but it does point to the right file
[09:00] <kamikazesponge> Ng: i'll try
[09:00] <topyli> kamikazesponge: it's the name improvization you did
[09:00] <topyli> perhaps
[09:01] <topyli> i normally go to the target dir and do "ln -s /path/to/foo ."
[09:01] <jogariga> when will breezy come out?
[09:01] <Kathie> I need help for my Compaq computer now running with Ubuntu to recognize my scanner
[09:01] <Ng> jogariga: October probably
[09:01] <ompaul> !breezy
[09:01] <ubotu> [breezy]  the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:01] <Kathie> new to this! Am I bugging you
[09:01] <keith> hmph- i added all the repositories like the wiki said, and then searched for the sun package it wanted me to find- it wasnt there.... for some reason i cant find the sun package needed to get java working on firefox
[09:02] <kamikazesponge> topyli Ng, it's now the right color (don't know why though)
[09:02] <Gnonthgol> Pro_Newbie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-4c69034d5cc6530951eee44239cdf2c2a76049c1
[09:02] <jogariga> thanks guys
[09:02] <sander> anyone use the ath_pci  module?
[09:03] <AndyR> lo all
[09:03] <theeil> why does it take so long to start gnome on the live cd and to start any app the first time you start it?
[09:03] <Kyral> Because its loading from the CD as opposed to as from a HD
[09:03] <Malin> how do i update a certain package?
[09:03] <theeil> it does not take so long the second time
[09:03] <Kyral> because its in the RAM :P
[09:03] <Gnonthgol> Malin: use synaptic
[09:04] <theeil> Kyral: it is killed though?
[09:04] <ompaul> theeil, think about it, you are doing everything in ram - so it gets to leave some stuff cached in ram until ram is full then it has to release that ram back to the systmer
[09:04] <Kyral> ehh
[09:04] <keith> ack y cant i find the sun package required to run java in firefox? i followed the add repositories and the add java tutorials to a T - the synaptic package manager cant find it.
[09:04] <Malin> i don't like synaptic, i prefer terminal :-)
[09:04] <Kyral> Malin, amen to that
[09:04] <Ng> Malin: then "sudo apt-get install foo" will install the latest version of package "foo"
[09:05] <theeil> keith: you need the extras repository, it should be there
[09:05] <Kyral> Apt + Bash Alias > Synaptic
[09:05] <Malin> and if it's installed?
[09:05] <keith> i added all repositories but the cd hoary theeil
[09:05] <Gnonthgol> Malin: it installs the newest version anyway
[09:05] <EasterSunshine> someone running nvidia card, can paste their /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc to the pastbin?
[09:05] <keith> maybe haory extras isnt listed for some reason? how do i add it?
[09:05] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell keith about repos
[09:05] <Kyral> !backports
[09:05] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[09:06] <keith> i added them all
[09:06] <Ng> keith: it's at the very bottom of the page
[09:06] <keith> i followed that tutorial to a t
[09:06] <Gnonthgol> Malin: use apt-get upgrade to update all installed
[09:06] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: it's just one line:    alias char-major-195 nvidia
[09:06] <marshalk> Does anyone know how to fix the terminal color issues in Breezy?  I tried searching BTS but I couldn't find anything.
[09:06] <Kyral> or dist-upgrade
[09:06] <Malin> i see the problem now
[09:07] <Malin> i have a Debian package, not Ubuntu package
[09:07] <keith>  o i c it
[09:07] <keith> thanks guys
[09:07] <Malin> and it's causing problems
[09:07] <theeil> is there a non-graphical package installer (like aptitude)?
[09:07] <HappyFool> Malin: i believe debian binary packages can be incompatible
[09:07] <Malin> is there a way to adopt Debian package to Ubuntu?
[09:07] <EasterSunshine> HappyFool, can you do `cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status` and tell me what the last three rows say
[09:07] <ompaul> Malin, which package?
[09:08] <Malin> teamspeak2
[09:08] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: pm ok?
[09:08] <Ng> theeil: apt-get and dpkg :)
[09:08] <Malin> http://www.hot.ee/hvc/ts2-client_2.0.32.60-1_i386.deb
[09:08] <EasterSunshine> HappyFool, ok
[09:08] <Gnonthgol> theeil: Yes, aptitude and apt
[09:08] <Malin> i tried an official tar.bz2, but it wouldn't work
[09:09] <ompaul> Malin, build from source be aware of possible problems with dependencies
[09:09] <AzCowboy> Can anyone help me get my atheros wireless card working w/ wpa_supplicant?
[09:09] <Gnonthgol> Malin: the best thing is to download from someone hwo have converted it into .deb
[09:09] <Malin> ompaul, i tried, there was an install script, .sh, but id wouldn't work
[09:10] <Malin> Gnonthgol, i have downloaded a .deb package, but it was for Debian, not Ubuntu
[09:10] <Malin> i haven't found teamspeak2 in repositories
[09:11] <Gnonthgol> Malin: It should not be any problems
[09:11] <_u_> hi
[09:11] <Malin> Gnonthgol, there are problems with libc6
[09:11] <Gnonthgol> Malin: what is the problem?
[09:12] <Malin> ts2 .deb package depends on libc6 2.3.5-1, Ubuntu has 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14
[09:12] <Gnonthgol> Malin: you could try to add debian to sources.list just for the install
[09:12] <dalamar> yeah ive run into libc6 being too old for stuff too
[09:13] <topyli> grr. lyx-qt is still uninstallable on breezy. i guess fixing universe is not first on the list right now :)
[09:13] <konra`> how do I get/install mplayer from synaptic
[09:13] <wijnand> can anyone tell me how i can use gutenprint (instead of the older gimp-print) in ubuntu? i want to buy a printer that wasn't supported until very recently
[09:13] <konra`> ?
[09:13] <wolverian> topyli, I just with they finished lyx-gtk :)
[09:13] <kyncani> !mplayer
[09:13] <wolverian> s,with,wish,
[09:13] <ubotu> mplayer is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[09:14] <Gnonthgol> ubotu mplayer
[09:14] <sander> how can I gain root with the sudo command in ubuntu?
[09:14] <thrush> sudo su
[09:14] <wolverian> sander, sudo -s
[09:14] <kamikazesponge> sander: sudo su - root
[09:14] <Gnonthgol> konra`: but first https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-4c69034d5cc6530951eee44239cdf2c2a76049c1
[09:14] <topyli> wolverian: so true. still qt beats the xforms version :)
[09:14] <wolverian> (-s preserves the current HOME and such env variables, which might not be what you want.)
[09:14] <wolverian> topyli, in speed, anyway ;)
[09:14] <wijnand> kamikazesponge: sudo su - should do the trick
[09:15] <Viziri> it's one problem after another. How many hurdles before i get damn citrix to work!!!  any quickfire solution to " error: cannot find output from lex; giving up" - i was trying to install openmotif 2.2.3
[09:15] <kamikazesponge> wijnand: sudo su - too.. i'm used to su - root, because i switch users a lot, and not only root
[09:15] <topyli> wolverian: the xforms version also renders fonts so badly it's hard to work with
[09:15] <theeil> gnome is "being weird", it will not run any apps, i restarted gdm and it will not show the splash screen or start any gnome stuff at all. i don't think i messed around with anyhting yet
[09:15] <wijnand> anyone on gutenprint?
[09:15] <wolverian> topyli, oh! it's rendered fine for me always, but then again, I haven't used it extensively.
[09:15] <wolverian> (or on many configurations.)
[09:16] <topyli> wolverian: i used to use it, and got it to work ok. i guess i haven't bothered trying very hard now
[09:16] <wolverian> topyli, right - I didn't have to try. I guess it's a configuration thing.
[09:16] <wolverian> topyli, (I mean, hardware-specific, or something :)
[09:17] <kamikazesponge> i always have the root-acct enabled by default, i tinker a lot with the system so it's more convenient for me to just use the root acct
[09:17] <theeil> and does anyone know of a msn client for the command line?
[09:17] <topyli> wolverian: yeah, the X dpi and the unscaled fonts dpi mismatch or something
[09:17] <kamikazesponge> ah, i've been wondering that too
[09:17] <wolverian> kamikazesponge, you could just use sudo -s :)
[09:17] <spiderworm> hey all how do i get info from ubotu ... define does not seem to work, neither does !, tried "what is..."
[09:17] <wolverian> theeil, centericq, bitlbee (irc <-> im gateway)
[09:17] <wolverian> theeil, I can recommend bitlbee. it is wonderful.
[09:17] <kamikazesponge> wolverian: not with putty login :P
[09:17] <topyli> theeil: if you like irc, go with bitlbee
[09:17] <HappyFool> spiderworm: just type the word in a /query window
[09:18] <wolverian> kamikazesponge, ew, you have remote root logins enabled?
[09:18] <Viziri> I get the error " error: cannot find output from lex; giving up" - when trying to install openmotif - any ideas?
[09:18] <kamikazesponge> wolverian: i don't even have SSH forwarded to the internet, so that's pretty safe
[09:18] <spiderworm> HappyFool: lol simple enough, thanx
[09:18] <wolverian> kamikazesponge, okay. :)
[09:18] <topyli> wolverian: the qt library is on hoary though (same version). i wonder if the library itself is uninstallabe on breezy...
[09:19] <wolverian> topyli, I run breezy too. can I help you test somehow?
[09:19] <topyli> wolverian: i'm on hoary now. i left the broken breezy box at work
[09:20] <wolverian> topyli, my breezy works wonderfully, if I don't touch clearly broken packages. :)
[09:20] <topyli> wolverian: i think i'll upgrade. i'll build my own lyx if i can't get it to work
[09:21] <wolverian> topyli, have you tried the source package?
[09:21] <topyli> hmm. perhaps i should try the install cd's upgrade option. it has one doesn't it?
[09:21] <wolverian> topyli, yes.
[09:21] <topyli> wolverian: yes, goes to dependency hell
[09:21] <wolverian> not that it should make any difference.
[09:21] <Viziri> Anyone know of a GOOD Howto for installing Citrix? - if i can't get this to work my Ubuntu days are over
[09:21] <topyli> wolverian: just to test it
[09:21] <wolverian> topyli, right. is there a bug for it, by the way?
[09:21] <topyli> no
[09:21] <wolverian> topyli, submit one, please :)
[09:21] <ttyS0> !breezy screenshots
[09:21] <ubotu> ttyS0: Are you smoking crack?
[09:22] <topyli> wolverian: clearly it's the will of allah :)
[09:22] <Malin> there's another issue
[09:22] <wolverian> topyli, nothing is the will of allah in the glorious world of free software. we are atheists all.
[09:22] <Malin> i installed ts2 from .tar.bz2
[09:22] <Ashok> i am a newbie on linux part, i have managed to install ubuntu, i need some help in installing my internet
[09:22] <wolverian> (or, we are our own gods.)
[09:22] <Ashok> can any body help
[09:22] <Ashok> anybody from india ?
[09:22] <Malin> when i run it' everything i get is 8 identical processes: /home/malin/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak.bin
[09:22] <wolverian> Ashok, what kind of a connection do you have?
[09:23] <topyli> wolverian: there's this old saying of VMS gurus. "clearly it is the will of allah that i must throw the unix box out of the window. i submit to the will of allah"
[09:23] <Ashok> i am having a dial-up kinda connection, a fwp phone of Reliance India
[09:23] <wolverian> topyli, right. gnu's not unix. :)
[09:23] <Malin> any ideas?
[09:23] <Ashok> i even got the drivers of linux from their website
[09:23] <topyli> wolverian: damn right
[09:23] <Ashok> but it doesnt work out
[09:23] <ttyS0> where can i see screenshots of ubuntu 5.10?
[09:23] <Bergcube> topyli~ Are you saying allah was a DEC employee?
[09:24] <bunjix> ttyS0: Screenshots?
[09:24] <topyli> Bergcube: i don't he works for anybody. but his will is strong
[09:24] <ttyS0> bunjix, yes, screenshots.
[09:24] <topyli> Bergcube: strong enough to make vms gurus submit :)
[09:24] <bunjix> ttyS0: Why?
[09:25] <kamikazesponge> ok, this whole init-script thing is pissing me off -.-
[09:25] <topyli> wolverian: just had my first sip of absinth today. i feel like filing bugs
[09:25] <moparfan90> hello. how do i install something using wine?
[09:25] <Ashok> ANYBODY FROM INDIA USING UBUNTU  ????????????
[09:25] <Ashok> ANYBODY FROM INDIA USING UBUNTU ????????ANYBODY FROM INDIA USING UBUNTU
[09:25] <kyncani> moparfan90: just type  wine yourfile.exe
[09:26] <moparfan90> ok
[09:26] <thenuke> Ashok: please.. behave like others do
[09:26] <ttyS0> bunjix, Why what? I just want to see how does new version look
[09:26] <kamikazesponge> Ashok: propably not..
[09:26] <chumphries> not all people from india are that annoying i'm sure
[09:26] <Bergcube> topyli~ I'm agnostic.  I have seen VMS gurus achieve things.  I have never seen any deity achieve anything.  So until I see that I think it might be possible there are no deities.....
[09:26] <wolverian> topyli, real absinth? :)
[09:26] <kyncani> chumphries: /me hopes so
[09:26] <Ashok> sorry
[09:26] <Ashok> but i am totally confused dunno whereto go
[09:26] <Malin> arrrgh
[09:26] <bunjix> ttyS0, probably a lot like hoary... it's still gnome, right?
[09:26] <Ashok> i am not able to install the drivers
[09:26] <Jhair> Ashok, why should only from India help you. State clearly what doesn't work and probably someone here can answer your questions
[09:27] <topyli> wolverian: i think it's fake (bought from a nearby store here in helsinki). but it does taste like the real thing
[09:27] <ttyS0> bunjix, oh. i see. thx
[09:27] <kamikazesponge> Ashok: just don't panic
[09:27] <Bergcube> Ashok~ When everything else fails:  RTFM.  (Read the fine manual)
[09:27] <Ashok> well i am having a lg 2030 phone
[09:27] <Ashok> btw before that i have one question
[09:27] <kamikazesponge> Bergcube: wasn't it read the.. well.. never mind
[09:27] <Ashok> does this ubuntu hav a builtin administrator login
[09:27] <Ashok> ?
[09:27] <Bergcube> kamikazesponge~ It is THAT too!
[09:27] <wolverian> topyli, right. I don't know if it's actually legal here. there's supposedly some naming scheme that you can determine whether it's real or not by, but I don't know the details. maybe check wikipedia. :)
[09:27] <robotgeek> ubotu tell Ashok about sudo
[09:28] <kamikazesponge> Bergcube: oh, okay :P
[09:28] <Ashok> sudo ?
[09:28] <robotgeek> Ashok: i am from India, but i am not in India :)
[09:28] <robotgeek> Ashok: yeah, read that link
[09:28] <Ashok> ok
[09:28] <moparfan90> ok. i tryed installing something with wine and got a error can someone help me please?
[09:28] <kamikazesponge> WHOA!! i did it! i made an init-script for openvpn! wooooohoooooo! *makes a little victory dance*
[09:29] <kemik> topyli:  real absinth is like only available in Prague in europe
[09:29] <HappyFool> moparfan90: tried asking in #winehq ?
[09:29] <kamikazesponge> thanks everyone that helped me
[09:29] <bunjix> ubotu tell bunjix about sudo
[09:29] <kemik> topyli:  it's illegal everywhere else
[09:29] <topyli> wolverian: it says it has "wormwood infusion". and E512 :)
[09:29] <evilmegaman> Hi, I need some help getting my nvidia 6200 working
[09:29] <topyli> kemik: so i hear, it's allowed there for tradition
[09:29] <pirast> !ntfs
[09:29] <NoUse> !nvidia
[09:29] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:29] <wolverian> topyli, yeah, but I think the wormwood infusion can be done in different ways, and doesn't always actually infuse the active ingredient
[09:29] <wolverian> topyli, but I don't actually know.
[09:29] <evilmegaman> When I install the drivers, and enable them, I get all kinds of errors when I type in glxgears and glxinfo
[09:30] <wolverian> what kemik says sounds familiar.
[09:30] <evilmegaman> Sorry nouse, But I got a problem
[09:30] <moparfan90> ok
[09:30] <evilmegaman> nouse, Any ideas?
[09:30] <kemik> topyli:  yup.. too bad i didnt know that before i went through europe.. was planning to buy some, but when i realized the stuff in Budapest wasnt the real thing i didnt
[09:30] <topyli> wolverian: yes
[09:30] <Ashok> does that info mean, if i login with username sudo and pass blank i will get admin privileges
[09:30] <Ashok> ?
[09:30] <topyli> kemik: it's still great stuff
[09:30] <Bergcube> Ashok~ No.
[09:30] <kemik> cus without that weird hallucinogen it's just strong spirits :)
[09:30] <Ashok> then'?
[09:31] <robotgeek> Ashok:sudo mean "as superuser do"
[09:31] <_mike> hi, im wondering how to set up shadows /translucency for my windows in KDE
[09:31] <Malin> I installed ts2 from .tar.bz2 (with a little help of .sh install script). Now when i run it everything i get is 8 identical processes: /home/malin/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak.bin
[09:31] <Malin> what am i doing wrong?
[09:31] <Bergcube> Ashok~ Stay logged in as yourself.  In the terminal write "sudo command parameter etc......" instead of "command parameter etc......" and your command gets executed with root priv.
[09:32] <kamikazesponge> Malin: maybe it's supposed to give 8 processes, MySQL uses a lot of processes too
[09:32] <sander> hi!.. can anyone help me getting up my wlan network?
[09:32] <Angelus_2969> I am trying to do that as well sander :)
[09:32] <wolverian> topyli, kemik, if you want hallucinogens, it's easier just to pick some psilocybins
[09:32] <Malin> kamikazesponge, but i'm supposed to see a teamspeak2 window
[09:32] <Angelus_2969> trying to get ndiswrapper on Ubuntu
[09:32] <wolverian> they're pretty common in finland, anyway :)
[09:32] <kemik> Malin:  does it work at all? usually server-applications start up > 1 process
[09:32] <Malin> and i get nothing but these processes
[09:32] <moparfan90> i asked them in #winehq and they wont say anything
[09:32] <moparfan90> help me please
[09:32] <Ashok> means any command which needs admin privileges to run, i can use sudo to give it admin privilege for tha particular porg
[09:32] <evilmegaman> If I installed the nvidia drivers, There should be a module right?
[09:32] <Ashok> prog**
[09:32] <kemik> wolverian:  yeah, but i really just wanted to try "the real absinth" ;)
[09:32] <kamikazesponge> Malin: ooh wait, i misunderstood, i thought you installed the server
[09:32] <sander> Angelus_2969, du you know what the interface sit0 is for?
[09:33] <kamikazesponge> Malin: i shouldn't think then should i :P
[09:33] <Malin> no, i installed the client
[09:33] <wolverian> kemik, right, me too :)
[09:33] <topyli> kemik: wolverian: yeah, you can mix them in vodka or whatever and there you go :)
[09:33] <thrush> sander: whats the problem?
[09:33] <kamikazesponge> Malin: i don't know a lot about the client on linux..
[09:33] <Malin> yeah, seems noone knows...
[09:33] <wolverian> topyli, I don't think I'd like alcohol with shrooms. hmm.
[09:33] <robotgeek> Ashok: isn't that what the link says ?
[09:33] <Bergcube> Ashok~ You're right.
[09:33] <Angelus_2969> sander, my wireless should be wlan0, but I think it depends on the distro
[09:33] <sander> thrush, the problem is to get my pci wlan card working.. its a Atheros Communication card
[09:33] <Ashok> hmm thanks
[09:33] <_mike> ...
[09:34] <kemik> Malin:  not used TS on linux.. but sounds weird that it spawns 8 processes
[09:34] <sander> Angelus_2969, I use ubuntu
[09:34] <Angelus_2969> sander, or the kind of card
[09:34] <Angelus_2969> well, I haven't got it working yet :)
[09:34] <sander> Angelus_2969, yes.. its a D-Link DWL-G520
[09:35] <Angelus_2969> rather stupid question, but what is the root password in ubuntu????
[09:35] <sander> Angelus_2969, do you know what it takes to get madwifi?
[09:35] <Bergcube> If a source tree falls over in the woods, but nobody's there to hear it.................
[09:35] <evilmegaman> Anyone have any idea about if I install the nvidia drivers and there is no module what should I do?
[09:35] <Angelus_2969> sander, no experience with madwifi, sorry
[09:35] <Angelus_2969> only ndiswrapper on other distros
[09:35] <_mike> ...can anyone help me?
[09:36] <thrush> sander: what do you get if you type ifconfig sit0
[09:36] <wijnand> can anyone tell me how i can use gutenprint (instead of the older gimp-print) in ubuntu? i want to buy a printer that wasn't supported until very recently
[09:36] <Malin> kemik, i know
[09:36] <evilmegaman> Can anyone help ME?
[09:36] <robotgeek> !anyone
[09:36] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, anyone is 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[09:36] <evilmegaman> I have asked only 15 times in this channel
[09:36] <Bergcube> evilmegaman~ AFAIK the same nvidia driver can take care of all cards.  I simply installed the default nividia driver and it worked like a charm.
[09:36] <kemik> haha, om.. robotgeek used my anyone! ;)
[09:36] <kemik> im so proud
[09:36] <sander> thrush, two sec
[09:36] <wolverian> congratulations kemik :)
[09:36] <robotgeek> kemik: :)
[09:36] <NoUse> evilmegaman run dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-common
[09:36] <Angelus_2969> evilmegaman, just use the run files, nothing else is needed
[09:37] <evilmegaman> Ok thank you NoUse :)
[09:37] <robotgeek> it does work, anyone!
[09:37] <mikkelk> Hi... how do i change things so that i must do root-typical things (synaptic etc) as root and not a normal user?
[09:37] <evilmegaman> What directory would that be in nouse?
[09:37] <Angelus_2969> root password anyone??
[09:37] <wolverian> topyli, where do you live, by the way?
[09:37] <NoUse> evilmegaman you can run it from anywhere
[09:37] <kyncani> mikelds: look into /etc/sudoers
[09:37] <wolverian> topyli, if I can ask :)
[09:37] <kemik> !root
[09:37] <ubotu> hmm... root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:37] <Angelus_2969> it didn't ask me at install, just the user
[09:37] <evilmegaman> thanks NoUse
[09:37] <topyli> wolverian: just found out the universe bugzilla is different. it has a lyx but, awaiting debian fix
[09:37] <Bergcube> mikkelk~ You should not change things that way.
[09:37] <Ng> Angelus_2969: there isn't one
[09:37] <topyli> wolverian: helsinki, finland
[09:37] <Angelus_2969> ng, you are joking right?
[09:38] <wolverian> topyli, right, I mean, where in helsinki :)
[09:38] <kyncani> mikelds: and set root password
[09:38] <Ng> Angelus_2969: no, the root account is disabled by default, see the RootSudo link that ubotu just mentioned
[09:38] <topyli> wolverian: oh. in tapanila
[09:38] <wolverian> topyli, oh, never been there. I actually don't even know if it's in the east or west.
[09:38] <wolverian> topyli, (and I'm supposed to move to helsinki next month :/)
[09:38] <Angelus_2969> ng, thank you
[09:39] <topyli> wolverian: it's in the north by the railroad, almost vantaa side, behind malmi
[09:39] <topyli> countryside
[09:39] <wolverian> topyli, oh, right! I remember now.
[09:39] <wolverian> topyli, that's practically countryside :)
[09:39] <sander> thrush, I only get a inet6 adress.. not any inet
[09:39] <sander> hmm
[09:40] <topyli> wolverian: nice and green, small houses
[09:40] <Angelus_2969> anyone installed ndiswrapper on Ubuntu?
[09:40] <spiderworm> me
[09:40] <sander> anyone know what the interface sit0 is for?
[09:40] <wolverian> topyli, yeah. I take it you're not a fan of the centre?
[09:40] <kamikazesponge> is there an easy way to make my init-script display those cool messages (like 'starting openvpn vpn server.. [ ok ] ' or something like that)
[09:41] <robotgeek> kamikazesponge: echo not good enuf?
[09:41] <hosler> The ubuntu Nvidia drivers stop working from time to time. Sometimes when i run glxgears i get nothing but a blank screen. anyone know how to fix this?
[09:41] <Butcherbird_Jr> no hes not
[09:41] <Angelus_2969> I have installed the ndiswrapper-util through the add/remove tool
[09:41] <Angelus_2969> but that isn't enough is it?
[09:41] <kamikazesponge> robotgeek: guess it'll have to do :P
[09:41] <topyli> wolverian: nah, i prefer quiet. the train takes me to the city in 15 minutes anyway
[09:41] <kemik> !ndiswrapper
[09:41] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[09:41] <Ng> kamikazesponge: yes, take a look at an existing init script for usage of log_begin_msg and log_end_msg
[09:41] <kamikazesponge> robotgeek: but i noticed the 'lob_begin_msg "blah"' in other init-scripts, so i thought it could be used that way too
[09:41] <kemik> Angelus_2969:  tried the wiki ?
[09:41] <wolverian> topyli, that's nice. :)
[09:41] <Ng> kamikazesponge: (they are functions in /lib/lsb/init-functions)
[09:41] <Angelus_2969> kemik, just saw the link :)
[09:42] <kamikazesponge> Ng: ok, thx for the hint
[09:42] <Angelus_2969> so i'm going there and have  look
[09:42] <mikkelk> kemik, i know that. But i'm used to the good ol' way (su and running  administrative things like Synaptic as Root, not my normal user), so i want it that way still. That has got to be possible
[09:42] <sexcopter8000m> hello, i'm trying to get a package "bmp-skins", but can't find it, i'm not sure what repo it should be in
[09:43] <sexcopter8000m> but these are what i've got already http://users.fission.org.uk/~sexcopter/Screenshot-synaptic.png
[09:43] <Angelus_2969> sander, sit0 rings a bell in the back of my mind, but can't think of it
[09:43] <kamikazesponge> is RUN_MODE="daemons" safe to use for openvpn?
[09:44] <Pickle_Weasel> is there a DVD backup program for ubuntu?
[09:44] <kemik> mikkelk:  well, "sudo -i" in a terminal will give you  a root terminal.. or you could startup X as root too etc...
[09:44] <Butcherbird_Jr> I have enabled the root account for login and now I want to disable it.  Is there any way to do this
[09:45] <kemik> !root
[09:45] <ubotu> hmm... root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:45] <kemik> Butcherbird_Jr:  i think it's in the wiki
[09:45] <cemc> re
[09:45] <cemc> aurax: i'm now intalling ubuntu on raid0
[09:45] <Angelus_2969> sander: sit stands for "simple internet transition" and is bassically a device
[09:45] <Angelus_2969> capable of encapsulating ipv6 in ipv4 datagrams.
[09:46] <mikkelk> kemik, but i don't want that...! i just want things to be the good old way of su'ing and so...
[09:47] <Butcherbird_Jr> kemik, Thx for the info
[09:47] <hosler> If my video card has a tv out port and I try to use a tv as my monitor, will Ubuntu automatically set the tv as my monitor, or do I have to configure stuff?
[09:47] <kemik> mikkelk:  not sure i follow you there... when you run synaptic you give password (use gksudo)
[09:47] <sander> Angelus_2969, ok.. so it got nothing to do with my wlan network?
[09:47] <yotam> I installed for a friend Hoary 5.10 and wlan of AR5212 / 802,11abg / Athero was not recognized.
[09:48] <yotam> Hoary-5.04
[09:48] <sander> it seems like I got wlan,ath_pci,ath_rate_onoe drives loaded
[09:48] <sander> how can I configure those?
[09:48] <Angelus_2969> sander, not really, if you google on sit0, you will find that more people see this, but most don't know how it got there :)
[09:48] <Angelus_2969> it's used for tunnelling
[09:48] <sander> thrush?
[09:48] <Angelus_2969> that much is clear :)
[09:48] <lesang> whta's up?
[09:48] <lesang> what's up?
[09:48] <lesang> who am i talking to?
[09:48] <yotam> Breezy-of August-17 did not recognize this Wireless NIC also.
[09:49] <Butcherbird_Jr> sander, hes still afk
[09:49] <mikkelk> kemik, when i run for eksample synaptic it asks for a password, my normal users  (MikkelK) password. I want it to ask for Roots password
[09:49] <Pluk> hmm weird my ar5121 got recognized by default
[09:49] <hmrocha> hello, in what group must a user be in to be able to mount a removable usb disk?
[09:49] <Pluk> ar5212*
[09:49] <mikkelk> and i don't want to sudo everything
[09:50] <lesang> guys  iam new to this...who are you???
[09:50] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone tell me what repository bmp-skins is in??
[09:50] <lesang> i mean where in the world am I?
[09:50] <Butcherbird_Jr> mikkelk, are you wanting to disable sudo for your reg user account?
[09:50] <Angelus_2969> sander, maybe this will get rid of the sit0: > Another question is, how do you get rid of a device
[09:50] <Angelus_2969> > like that?
[09:50] <Angelus_2969> Odds are that you have an ipv6 module that is getting autoloaded.
[09:50] <Angelus_2969> You should be able to turn that off in /etc/modules.conf:
[09:51] <Angelus_2969> alias net-pf-10 off           # IPv6
[09:51] <mikkelk> Butcherbird_Jr, yes...
[09:51] <robotgeek> sexcopter8000m: xmms skins work
[09:52] <robotgeek> hmrocha: if u have the gnome-volume-manager, it shud automount /media/<label>
[09:52] <Angelus_2969> sander, you should be able to setup network cards (like the wlan) with desktop->administration->networking
[09:53] <Malin> but it's quite hard
[09:53] <hmrocha> robotgeek, i installed ubuntu, and with the user i created in the instalation, every usb disk works fine
[09:53] <Baskerville> Sometimes I have sound, others I don't
[09:53] <Baskerville> Can someone help me, please?
[09:53] <robotgeek> hmrocha: then?
[09:53] <hmrocha> but i also have hundreds of users *imported* from AD
[09:54] <robotgeek> hmrocha: AD?
[09:54] <hmrocha> when i log in with one of those users, the usb disk is detected but not mounted
[09:54] <hmrocha> robotgeek, Microsoft Active Directory
[09:54] <Angelus_2969> hmrocha, please don't swear ;)
[09:54] <NoUse> !sound
[09:54] <ubotu> I guess sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[09:54] <NoUse> ^-- Baskerville
[09:54] <robotgeek> hmrocha: okay, try adding tp
[09:54] <hmrocha> robotgeek, tp?
[09:55] <Baskerville> NoUse: Can you?
[09:55] <robotgeek> hmrocha: sorry, try looking at pmount
[09:55] <popey> I have a problem with Xorg and a DELL E771a. It whines.. a high pitched buzzing noise.. but ONLY when at 1024x768x75Hz. At 800x600 it doesn't. It also only seems to buzz when there's dark stuff predominantly on the screen. If it's light (like the google home page for example) then it makes no noise at all.. any ideas? I have used get-edid|parse-edid to generate the monitor section in my xorg.conf.. but it still does it..
[09:55] <afra> welcher button ist auf der tastatur der decline button?
[09:55] <robotgeek> hmrocha: it's difficult to type with one hand!
[09:55] <Angelus_2969> sander, did it work?
[09:55] <NoUse> Baskerville look above my message, look at that site
[09:55] <hmrocha> robotgeek, ok, i'll try, thanks
[09:55] <lachkeks> ;-)
[09:55] <kemik> mikkelk:  i guess you can remove your user from the Admin group and enable the root account
[09:55] <kemik> mikkelk:  but im not sure about that
[09:55] <hmrocha> i don't know why other users can't mount usb devices but, it's ok
[09:55] <Baskerville> NoUse: Which one?
[09:56] <robotgeek> hmrocha: maybe just adding those users to pmount group, if one exists
[09:56] <NoUse> !tell Baskerville about sound
[09:56] <hmrocha> i'll find out, this must work, students should be able to use their usb disks
[09:56] <saggytits> ok im starting to think i know why i cant get linux installed on this pc .. ubuntu and mandrake both say no cd-rom and hd found and knoppix gets stuck on no cd-rom ... its a compaq r4000
[09:56] <robotgeek> hmrocha: true
 kemik, when i run for eksample synaptic it asks for a password, my normal users  (MikkelK) password. I want it to ask for Roots password <<<< I'm not giving you my password :P
[10:00] <hmrocha> robotgeek, i got this in a mailing list
[10:00] <mikkelk> ;)
[10:00] <hmrocha> "We solved (4) by introducing a new group called 'plugdev'. Every user
[10:00] <hmrocha> who is a member of this group can access hotpluggable devices (digital
[10:00] <hmrocha> cameras, USB drives etc.)"
[10:00] <kamikazesponge> how can i kill a process with a pid flie?
[10:00] <kemik> haha
[10:00] <Baskerville> NoUse: pvt?
[10:00] <kemik> nice one Roots  =)
[10:00] <hmrocha> i'll try adding my student user to this group to see if my ipod gets mounted
[10:01] <cemc> kamikazesponge: kill `cat pidfile.pid` ?
[10:01] <Baskerville> NoUse: 00:00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device cab3 (rev 05)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP 340M] 
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4347 (rev 01)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4348 (rev 01)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4345 (rev 01)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc ATI SMBus (rev 18)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4349
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 434c
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4342
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:00:14.6 Modem: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 434d (rev 01)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4437
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[10:01] <kamikazesponge> cemc: thx, that did it
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:02:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 02)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:02:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[10:01] <Baskerville> 0000:02:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB21 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
[10:01] <kamikazesponge> Baskerville.. what are you doing
[10:02] <cemc> kamikazesponge: then you have to remove the pidfile too
[10:02] <Baskerville> NoUse: The audio driver is there, but sometismes ir starts, others don't
[10:02] <hmrocha> can i put a group inside a group?
[10:02] <kamikazesponge> cemc: good point
[10:02] <hmrocha> i mean, all students belong to group student
[10:02] <hmrocha> i mean, all students belong to group students
[10:02] <hmrocha> can i put students group inside plugdev group?
[10:02] <Blissex> hmrocha: no
[10:02] <Blissex> hmrocha: you can put individual users into groups.
[10:03] <pfp> groups can't be nested on unix
[10:03] <hmrocha> Blissex, i'll have to put 1200 usernames in the plugdev group?
[10:03] <j005u> can i have some help with screen resoulutions? ubuntu set the xorg conf up fine, all the modes are what they're supposed to be, but i can't select my native res 1280x800 from gnome :s
[10:03] <Blissex> hmrocha: burt if the purpose is access control to _files_, with ACLs you can grant access to two or more groups, nstead of just one.
[10:04] <Blissex> j005u: there is a nice FAQ on the Ubuntu Wiki about that IIRC
[10:04] <pfp> !resolution
[10:04] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:04] <j005u> Blissex,  oh. thanks. i'll have a look
[10:05] <Blissex> j005u: you will need a 1280x800 modeline, just web search for it.
[10:05] <pfp> j005u: that link from ubotu may help
[10:05] <hmrocha> Blissex, i just want to add the students usernames to the plugdev group so they can mount their usb disks
[10:05] <Blissex> hmrocha: that's sort of unnecessary.
[10:05] <hmrocha> Blissex, why? only the users inside "plugdev" group can mount their usb disks
[10:05] <Zibby> Anyone know of a command line program that can record a wav from line in or mic input?
[10:06] <Blissex> hmrocha: no, if you edit '/etc/fstab' to allow mounting by any user.
[10:06] <DVSoftware> hello
[10:06] <Arsonide> Alright kyncani I did what you said and followed the nvidia wiki, but I still don't have "85hz" available in my screen resolution and this is giving me a headache.
[10:06] <Blissex> hmrocha: also, the usual UNIXy way of doing these things is to use a ''setuid''/''setgid'' bridge utility
[10:06] <DVSoftware> is it possible to install vmware on 64bit ubuntu?
[10:06] <hmrocha> Blissex, all usb disks are managed by HAL, no lines get added to /etc/fstab
[10:06] <Blissex> hmrocha: for example you can use 'sudo'
[10:06] <hmrocha> Blissex, students can't use sudo
[10:06] <seb345> Hello
[10:07] <Blissex> hmrocha: why not?
[10:07] <pfp> heh
[10:07] <Blissex> hmrocha: also, if HAL automounts the USB disks, it can mount them with whatever group ownership.
[10:07] <hmrocha> users must plug the usb disk and it should appear in the desktop without the need to open a terminal
[10:08] <hmrocha> Blissex, i'll try to solve this problem without adding 1200 users to the plugdev group
[10:09] <Arsonide> Nobody knows how to change the refresh rate?
[10:09] <pfp> hmrocha: hmm, what's wrong with adding 1200 users to that group?
[10:09] <Homerr> mooooo
[10:09] <Arsonide> 60hz is killing me.
[10:09] <hmrocha> pfp, i'll have to write a script to search all /home users to add them to the /etc/group
[10:09] <Homerr> :p
[10:09] <cemc> Homerr: ?
[10:09] <thrush> aronide:you can change in the config file right?
[10:10] <cemc> wazzup? :)
[10:10] <Homerr> hey :)
[10:10] <cemc> Homerr: reinstalled windows? :)
[10:10] <Homerr> thought id come let you know the mbr is completely ****ed
[10:10] <Arsonide> Well it won't let me go up to 85 hz using 1280x1024
[10:10] <Blissex> hmrocha: moreover if you have like > 1200 users perhaps you are using a non-flat-file authentication database
[10:10] <Homerr> yeah, twice
[10:10] <cemc> Homerr: huhh?
[10:10] <Arsonide> I don't know where the config file is, or how to edit it.
[10:10] <ttyS0> how to restart hald ? :)
[10:10] <Arsonide> Or what it is.
[10:10] <Homerr> the mbr on the 60gb is reeaaallly messed
[10:10] <hmrocha> Blissex, yes, i'm using AD
[10:10] <hmrocha> Blissex, there are no users in /etc/passwd
[10:10] <cemc> ttyS0: /etc/init.d/hald restart ?
[10:10] <Homerr> it happened when i did an oc stunt earlier in the week
[10:10] <hmrocha> Blissex, only the default users
[10:10] <Blissex> hmrocha: so mass addition/deletion should be not that big a deal.
[10:10] <pfp> hmrocha: hmm, sounds like a 5-10 min job at max? :)
[10:11] <ttyS0> cemc, /etc/init.d/hald: No such file or directory  :)
[10:11] <cemc> hehh :)
[10:11] <hmrocha> pfp, it would be easier if i could say that all users in group students also belong to group plugdev
[10:11] <Homerr> cemc so ive put the drive i was supposed to be installing ubuntu to as primary master and am installing winblows on it now (it has a clean mbr)
[10:11] <Blissex> hmrocha: however the combination of AD, HAL/hotplug/automount, and fine grained access control is not an  easy combination.
[10:12] <seb345> you only have to do 'adduser my_student_user plugdev'
[10:12] <Homerr> then if windows can boot by itself (it was only booting last night because the setup cd was in... very weird) then ill go ahead and install ubuntu to the drive with the borked mbr
[10:12] <hmrocha> Blissex, adding all users to /etc/group will work perfectly
[10:12] <Homerr> if it doesnt work im going to boot into the livecd
[10:12] <Homerr> and zero out the mbr on both drives
[10:12] <Homerr> and start again
[10:12] <hmrocha> Blissex, i have tried with my student account and it works fine
[10:12] <cemc> Homerr: and you install grub on hda ?
[10:12] <Blissex> hmrocha: note also that if you dont use flat files, your authentication database can easily do things like nested groups.
[10:12] <cemc> right?
[10:12] <Arsonide> Where is the config file?
[10:13] <Homerr> cemc yep grub will go on hda where windows + the mbr is
[10:13] <pfp> hmrocha: hmm, since you're using AD (windows 200x?), could you do it on the AD side and have AD emulate it so that linuxen would see just two separate groups?
[10:13] <Homerr> ill let you know how it goes
[10:13] <Homerr> i re configured my drives this morning
[10:13] <Blissex> hmrocha: what UNIX/Linux cannot do is to _imply_ that group X has the same permissions as Y plus more.
[10:14] <Homerr> it now goes, pri master (hda) = 40gb drive, pri slave (hdb) 60gb drive (borked mbr), sec master = dvdrw (hdc), sec slave = 200gb drive (hdd)
[10:14] <Homerr> insteasd of the backwards assed way it was yesterday
[10:14] <hmrocha> pfp, i don't know how to do that :(
[10:14] <pfp> :/
[10:15] <hmrocha> Blissex, pfp, i'll try to solve my problem tomorrow, thanks for the help, i have to go to the cinema now
[10:15] <hmrocha> bye
[10:15] <YT> Could someone help me with a xorg CPU usage question?
[10:15] <pfp> best of luck.
[10:15] <hmrocha> pfp, thanks
[10:15] <hmrocha> pfp, i'll need it
[10:15] <pfp> :)
[10:16] <setite> hey i added hoary-extras and i cant find libdvdcss2
[10:16] <YT> I'm running Ubuntu, and Xorg is eating up 80-100% CPU time and 20% of memory. Only seems to happen after after about 6-8 hours of uptime.
[10:17] <YT> if I restart X, then it's fine for another 6-8 hours. then it's back to 80-100% CPU usage.
[10:17] <cemc> Homerr: it's better this way :)
[10:17] <Homerr> indeed it is cemc
[10:17] <Homerr> that and i had an ATA33 cable in there
[10:18] <setite> !libdvdcss
[10:18] <ubotu> setite: What?
[10:18] <Homerr> so the 60gb drive was running at ata33
[10:18] <setite> !dvd
[10:18] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[10:18] <pfp> YT: a bug perhaps..
[10:18] <setite> !hoary-extras
[10:18] <ubotu> I guess hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:18] <bigpump> so what software is available for amd64 via apt right now?
[10:18] <cemc> hm,
[10:18] <cemc> i'm trying to install a hoary in a vmware
[10:19] <cemc> it's stuck at running "grub install (hd0)..."
[10:19] <cemc> any ideas?
[10:19] <cemc> it's stuck for a good 20 minutes now...
[10:19] <bigpump> have you googled that? i would think there is something around for vmware and the boot loader installation
[10:20] <pfp> cemc: or have yoy looked at the logs/errors on oher VCs (alt-f2,3..)
[10:20] <cemc> yepp,
[10:20] <cemc> it doesn't say any errors,
[10:20] <cemc> only the standard grub message,
[10:20] <cemc> detecting bios whatever,
[10:20] <cemc> it may take a long time :)
[10:20] <cemc> i know that,
[10:21] <cemc> but not this long :)
[10:21] <Arsonide> I don't know my monitor range...
[10:21] <Arsonide> How do I figure that out?
[10:21] <chumphries> monitor documentation
[10:21] <Arsonide> Don't have that...
[10:21] <chumphries> also vendor specs are on their website
[10:21] <pfp> Arsonide: google for Monitor Model HorizSync
[10:21] <pfp> cemc: heh, weird. maybe use lilo?
[10:21] <bigpump> ya cemc are you running vmware from windows?
[10:21] <cemc> bigpump: nope, fc2
[10:22] <cemc> and i installed fc2-4 a zillion times under vmware
[10:22] <cemc> with grub
[10:22] <cemc> an scsi, on ide
[10:22] <cemc> no problems there
[10:22] <cemc> i dunno what the heck
[10:22] <bigpump> ya i dont know
[10:22] <din> cemc: it hates you
[10:23] <cemc> mmm... maybe it's because now i'm trying to install it in a raid0 ?
[10:23] <pfp> cemc: ooh... you cant install grub on raid0
[10:23] <chumphries> maybe
[10:23] <din> it needs to be installed on the 1st sector of the 1st read drive
[10:23] <cemc> well...,
[10:23] <pfp> cemc: either raid1, or use a plain partition for /boot
[10:23] <cemc> it didn't ask me,
[10:23] <cemc> where i want to install it
[10:23] <cemc> so...
[10:24] <chrissturm> vmware should virtualize that...
[10:24] <din> pfp: i have it installed on like 15 servers here at work with raid0
[10:24] <pfp> cemc: ... if the raid is inside vmware, not on the host machine that is
[10:24] <cemc> i guess it is trying to install it on hd0 => hda
[10:24] <cemc> _i guess_
[10:24] <din> just run grub
[10:24] <din> and set it up where it needs to be
[10:24] <cemc> well... i would,
[10:24] <chumphries> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-66857.html
[10:25] <din> lol only it doesn't boot
[10:25] <cemc> but it's stuck at the install process
[10:25] <chumphries> grub on raid0 in fedora, not possible
[10:25] <cemc> wait a sec :)
[10:25] <cemc> hold on ;)
[10:25] <cemc> i have fedora on the comp,
[10:25] <cemc> runnning vmware,
[10:25] <Arsonide> ok I think I found my ranges, but the config file is read only.
[10:25] <cemc> in vmware i have hda and hdb
[10:25] <Arsonide> How do I change that?
[10:25] <cemc> hda, hdb => md0
[10:25] <cemc> raid0
[10:26] <thrush> just sudo gedit
[10:26] <din> there ya go
[10:26] <din> :P
[10:26] <chumphries> if you are root, or root permissions just write it
[10:26] <cemc> i formatted md0 to ext3,
[10:26] <pfp> Arsonide: run sudo dpkg-reconfgure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <cemc> and installed ubuntu on it
[10:26] <cemc> i set up md0 also with ubuntu
[10:26] <cemc> it installed the base,
[10:26] <pfp> Arsonide: then choose advanced (or something) for monitor conf, it'll ask you
[10:26] <cemc> and the packages,
[10:26] <cemc> now it sits on grub
[10:26] <cemc> and does nothing
[10:26] <cemc> but it never asked me where is want to install grub
[10:27] <cemc> is = i
[10:27] <cemc> and i started it with linux expert :-P
[10:27] <chumphries> if there was only one device, why would it ask :)
[10:27] <cemc> at least it should've asked me :)
[10:27] <cemc> there are two devices,
[10:27] <j005u> why can't i edit fstab? won't allow me to save..
[10:27] <cemc> hda and hdb
[10:27] <din> j005u: are you root?
[10:28] <cemc> md0 is not a real device, it has no mbr whatever, i guess
[10:28] <chumphries> if they are a md0, it wouldn't use it
[10:28] <din> cemc: it needs to be on hda
[10:28] <j005u> din: nope, i'm the default user.. don't know the root password .. :/
[10:28] <cemc> so, it should put in on hda :)
[10:28] <chumphries> just redo it creating a /boot on a non-raid0
[10:28] <din> j005u: sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[10:28] <j005u> thanks
[10:29] <cemc> the idea is to install it without some extra boot partitions
[10:29] <cemc> i know _that_ works
[10:29] <cemc> hm,
[10:29] <chumphries> trying to put a round peg in a square hole never works
[10:29] <cemc> :)
[10:29] <cemc> lemme try something
[10:29] <j005u> din,  i've been using vi for ages. how the hell do i save in nano? :D
[10:30] <Arsonide> I did that command and it's taking me through a configuration thing, I have no idea what I'm doing though.
[10:30] <din> j005u: you can use vi
[10:30] <din> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[10:30] <din> ctrl x to leave nano
[10:30] <pfp> Arsonide: why, ask us then :)
[10:30] <j005u> din, ok. was wondering what i'd replace -w with...
[10:30] <topyli> j005u: nano has onscreen help, you're looking at it
[10:30] <din> -w means wordwrap in nano
[10:31] <Arsonide> Is there any way to just make it not read only?
[10:31] <j005u> oh. allright. thanks anway. promted me weather i wanted to save on ctrl x :p
[10:31] <pfp> Arsonide: you shouldn't make it writable to normal users (since it's a systm-wide conf file), but edit it with root privileges instead
[10:32] <topyli> Arsonide: use sudo in the first place when you edit it
[10:32] <thrush> just chmod 777 -R / no worries
[10:32] <pfp> Arsonide: that would be eg. 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[10:32] <Angelus_2969> how can I *NOT* use WEP in the system->administration->networking
[10:33] <Angelus_2969> I am using a Linksys pcmcia card, and ndiswrapper doesn't support wep (or wpa for that matter) with this card
[10:33] <topyli> Arsonide: or for a config utility, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:33] <zukalk> Angelus_2969, just leave the field blank
[10:33] <strav> he, simple quick question: could someone point me out to a .deb packages archives (one that would most likely list every .deb installation files there are for a maximum of softwares?
[10:33] <pfp> topyli: he tried that, but found it too confusing i guess .)
[10:33] <Arsonide> hahaha, ok when I do that command it doesn't open the existing one, it makes a new file
[10:33] <Angelus_2969> zukalk, hmmmm, it doesn't work then either
[10:34] <Angelus_2969> I tried that first :)
[10:34] <bigpump> are there any amd64 drivers for WLAN cards?
[10:34] <zukalk> that'd odd
[10:34] <frttrrr> hi all
[10:34] <zukalk> that's* odd
[10:34] <topyli> pfp: well, it is confusing i suppose :)
[10:34] <Angelus_2969> zukalk, yes, and I know the card works with these drivers and ndis
[10:34] <pfp> Arsonide: heh, are you sure you got the name correctly?
[10:34] <din> Angelus_2969: what card?
[10:34] <xecto> hello!
[10:34] <Arsonide> there it goes
[10:35] <din> prob a broadcom
[10:35] <din> heh
[10:35] <Arsonide> ok, now finally maybe I can get a refresh rate that doesn't make my eyes bleed
[10:35] <Angelus_2969> a linksys wpc54g ver 1.2
[10:35] <bimberi> strav: not simple afaik - there is this though: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/allpackages
[10:35] <setite> someone helpe me get libdvdcss2
[10:35] <setite> for some reason it is no showing up even though i added hoary-extras
[10:35] <pfp> topyli: jep :)
[10:36] <strav> there ain't something like freshrpms for debian based ditros?
[10:36] <bimberi> setite: did you update the repos
[10:36] <bimberi> ?
[10:36] <setite> yup
[10:36] <din> Angelus_2969: is the card up and working?
[10:36] <xecto> do somebody knows how I can bind a tcp port to a qemu host? My host has 2 nics. Excuse for my englisch, i'm german.. ;)
[10:36] <chumphries> strav: no, there isn't
[10:36] <setite> strav: kinda sucks doesnt it
[10:36] <Angelus_2969> I had to take out the card to look at the exact name, now I put it back and the complete machine froze
[10:36] <chumphries> strav: most .deb distros that i know of are based on trust
[10:36] <Angelus_2969> but it was up :)
[10:36] <din> lol
[10:36] <setite> please dont make me go back to windows again
[10:36] <chumphries> they have keys and you trust the people that make the .deb files
[10:36] <Angelus_2969> there was some communication between the lap and the router
[10:36] <din> Angelus_2969: iwconfig is your friend
[10:36] <setite> shit i thought i had already set up dvd support
[10:37] <chumphries> setite: you can go back, you aren't hurting us
[10:37] <topyli> strav: debian has just about everything, and debian-like distros can just compile their sources :)
[10:37] <Angelus_2969> din: sometimes I'm too quick for my own good ;)
[10:37] <setite> chumphries: oh really.. gosh i thought i was... wow
[10:37] <din> Angelus_2969: iwconfig (device) essid (ssid name) enc (wep key)
[10:38] <fanopnaic> setite: I have it in ubuntu-backports and marillat.  I don't know whether it's in extras.
[10:38] <chumphries> setite: probably best to just get the mplayer code and codecs and compile.
[10:38] <Angelus_2969> din: it can't use wep, that is the issue :)
[10:38] <xecto> do somebody knows how I can bind a tcp port to a qemu host? My host has 2 nics. Excuse for my englisch, i'm german.. ;) nobody knows?
[10:38] <din> what kind of wifi card can't use a wep key?
[10:38] <din> get a aironet or an oronico
[10:39] <Angelus_2969> din: it can use it, just not with ndiswrapper :)
[10:39] <din> wlan0 ?
[10:39] <cemc> din: i got it, hehh ;)
[10:39] <Angelus_2969> din: yes
[10:39] <kemik> chumphries:  maybe that comment was a bit out of line ?
[10:39] <din> Angelus_2969: one sec
[10:39] <kemik> setite:  tried vlc ?
[10:40] <fanopnaic> setite: I have it in ubuntu-backports and marillat.  I don't know whether it's in extras.
[10:40] <kemik> !restricted
[10:40] <setite> it is in extras.. which is why this is confusing me
[10:40] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:40] <fanopnaic> Ah, ok.
[10:40] <chumphries> kemik: i don't think it was
[10:40] <Arsonide> Alright, it was like pulling teeth but I finally got 85hz, and probably broke 30 other things in the process (startup seems to be slower now).
[10:40] <setite> i'd prefer not to use marillat if i have to... on my laptop there was a significant quality difference between the marillat and hoary-extras version
[10:41] <cfq> hi everyone
[10:41] <chumphries> mplayer and codecs is pretty much the best there is and it is complete, more than anything else really.
[10:41] <cfq> does ubuntu 5.04 run wireless nic drivers over ndiswrapper?
[10:41] <fanopnaic> setite: and what exactly doesn't work?
[10:41] <kemik> i'd go with VLC but thats me
[10:41] <twosharp> My OpenGL settings are not working even if my nvidia-glx driver is installed :s
[10:41] <setite> found the issue
[10:41] <kemik> setite:  i found it using apt-cache search w32codecs... sure you've added hoary-extras ?
[10:41] <cfq> i have ipw2200
[10:42] <twosharp> what can i do to fix it?
[10:42] <setite> the hoary-extras is for 32bit and not 64
[10:42] <pfp> twosharp: have you configured X (xorg) to use the driver?
[10:42] <kemik> oh.. running 64bit is just a lot of extra work
[10:42] <cfq> i am trying to configure kismetg
[10:43] <cfq> i cannot let kismet.conf accept my wireless source
[10:43] <twosharp> pfp: no, it always been doig that itself, but i reformatted a couple days ago and now it wont work
[10:44] <Arsonide> So wait, installing the nvidia-glx means I don't need to install the driver I downloaded?
[10:44] <pfp> twosharp: what does 'grep -i nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf' say? is the driver "nv" or "nvidia"
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Arsonide, yes
[10:44] <cfq> how can i understand if i am using the native wireless drivers or the ndiswrapper?
[10:45] <Arsonide> Does it update itself?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> cfq, ndiswrapper requires setup
[10:45] <twosharp> pfp: Driver          "nv"
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Arsonide, yes, as you move to the next verion of ubuntu
[10:45] <Homerr> bah
[10:45] <Arsonide> Sweet.
[10:45] <Homerr> cemc
[10:45] <Homerr> it didnt work :(
[10:45] <Homerr> disk boot faliure
[10:45] <Burgundavia> cfq, if it just works, you have a native driver
[10:45] <Homerr> god damn piece of **** wants slapping
[10:45] <cemc> Homerr: ?
[10:45] <Angelus_2969> leaving the wep entry empty make the card after a ifup command trying to get a dhcp adress
[10:46] <Angelus_2969> which it doesn't get
[10:46] <Arsonide> There are 80 thousand screensavers.
[10:46] <cemc> you had a running windows on hda,
[10:46] <Homerr> putting the 40gb as the pri master and installing windows didnt work
[10:46] <cfq> Burgundavia: i am trying to configure kismet
[10:46] <Homerr> cemc nope
[10:46] <cemc> installed ubuntu on hdb,
[10:46] <mikkelk> I use GNOME, but i tried to install KDE, just to try it out. Now i've uninstalled it again, but in Applications -> Debian -> there are stille a lot of icons to KDE-programs, but they don't work anymore, they are just taking up space. Is there a way to get rid of all menu entries that don't work?
[10:46] <cemc> and it doesn't work?
[10:46] <Homerr> it wants the windows cd in to boot
[10:46] <cfq> Burgundavia: and i have ipw2200 in lsmod
[10:46] <Burgundavia> cfq, some drivers don't work with kismet
[10:46] <Homerr> without that, it just chucks disk boot faliure at me
[10:46] <soulf> hi everybody
[10:46] <twosharp> pfp: shouldn't it be nv?
[10:46] <soulf> !!
[10:46] <ubotu> hmm... ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[10:46] <cemc> Homerr: hmmm...
[10:46] <pfp> twosharp: ok.. btw, have you installed the linux-restriced-modules... package?
[10:46] <soulf> first session with ubuntu
[10:46] <Homerr> gonna zero the mbr's cemc i think they're corrupted as hell
[10:46] <cfq> Burgundavia: i saw my driver in the list.
[10:47] <twosharp> pfp: no, i dont think so.. i'll check :)
[10:47] <cemc> i don't thinks so,
[10:47] <soulf> I need help !!!!
[10:47] <frttrrr> welcome soulf
[10:47] <pfp> twosharp: it should be "nvidia", but the restricted-modules... is needed too IIRC
[10:47] <cemc> Homerr: cause when you install a windows on a harddisk,
[10:47] <soulf> no  body gives a damn...
[10:47] <cemc> i think it erases the mbr
[10:47] <cemc> and puts in its boot loader
[10:47] <cfq> Burgundavia: i am defining the source as stated, but it fails. says the driver is unknown
[10:47] <bimberi> !ask
[10:48] <cemc> Homerr: and you're positive the BIOS is set up alright ?
[10:48] <twosharp> pfp: its installed..
[10:48] <setite> cool found a repo for the 64-bit version
[10:48] <cfq> Burgundavia: but the documentation says it can use it. i'll check the version now.
[10:48] <pfp> twosharp: and it matches your kernel version? (uname -r)
[10:48] <pfp> it == package name....
[10:48] <twosharp> pfp: yes
[10:48] <Angelus_2969> how can I change the wireless config in ubuntu NOT to use wep
[10:49] <Angelus_2969> it must be possible :)
[10:49] <twosharp> pfp: its the linux-restricted-modules-386
[10:49] <din> Angelus_2969: the card is more than likely able to use web
[10:49] <din> wep*
[10:49] <din> type iwconfig
[10:49] <din> does wlan0 show up?
[10:49] <syn-ack> Just disable your WEP key in the config
[10:49] <Angelus_2969> din: it can use it
[10:50] <Angelus_2969> but if you look at the compat list of ndiswrapper it says that is can't use encryption
[10:50] <cemc> [23:48:11]  <cemc> Homerr: and you're positive the BIOS is set up alright ?
[10:50] <Homerr> cemc laptop went extremely gay on me
[10:50] <Homerr> yeah
[10:50] <strav> chumpries: ... hum. what could be the best (secure) method, either download de sources and compile them or alien an rpm into a .deb file^
[10:50] <Angelus_2969> so I expected it not to work
[10:50] <pfp> twosharp: that's just a (n empty) metapackage, there should be something like linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[10:50] <Homerr> one of my friends thinks the ide controllers borked
[10:50] <Angelus_2969> din: yes it shows up
[10:50] <disposable_mike> Does anyone have any possible reasons for my computer freezing about every 20 mins under ubuntu?
[10:50] <pfp> twosharp: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[10:50] <disposable_mike> i've tried turning off acpi, and lacpi, etc., and it hasn't helped much
[10:50] <twosharp> pfp: yes its, both 386-package and the 2.6.10-5-386 packageeverything looks fine, but how can i change the nv to nvidia then, if that will fix it?
[10:50] <chumphries> strav: in my opinion, i trust the sources more than rpms on rpmfind.
[10:50] <cemc> Homerr: if you installed windows alright, i don't know...
[10:51] <pfp> twosharp: ah, of course it is via deps, sorry :)
[10:51] <chumphries> strav: i feel compiling mplayer is the best option
[10:51] <twosharp> pfp: via deps?
[10:51] <Homerr> cemc kinda
[10:51] <pfp> twosharp: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and select nvidia as driver
[10:51] <Homerr> it installs
[10:51] <Homerr> but
[10:51] <Homerr> it wont boot unless the windows setup cd is in the cd drive
[10:51] <Kyral> Okay, I officially love Ubuntu even more
[10:52] <din> Angelus_2969: pm
[10:52] <pfp> twosharp: dependencies, the metapkg depends on the real -2.6.10-blablab package
[10:52] <Kyral> thing detected my printer, all I had to do is go to "New Printer" and hit "Next" a few times
[10:52] <cemc> Homerr: that's why i think there something fishy in the BIOS :)
[10:52] <Homerr> cemc im going to clear it
[10:52] <cemc> what ?
[10:53] <Homerr> im getting rather pissed off here
[10:53] <Homerr> put it into bios reset mode
[10:53] <Homerr> see if it does any goood
[10:53] <topyli> Kyral: isn't that how stuff is always supposed to work? ;-)
[10:53] <cyphase> hey everyone
[10:53] <JBLoudG20> hey all. I just manually installed real player, and now I want to completely remove it? how can I go about htis?
[10:53] <cemc> Homerr: :)
[10:53] <cemc> try
[10:53] <\|\> Hey In #BATTLE  http://battle.lv/modules.php?m=u&call=0000005284 <--- Free Battle Company Site ( Don't Worry its not virus site! )
[10:53] <\|\> Hey In #BATTLE  http://battle.lv/modules.php?m=u&call=0000005284 <--- Free Battle Company Site ( Don't Worry its not virus site! )
[10:53] <Kyral> topyli, In theory :D
[10:53] <strav> chumphries: (I was more specifically looking to install inkscape)... I just aliened an rpm found on their site tough when dpkg it, it seems it can't pass through the setting up process...  I'm kinda new to linux so, I'll inform myself about the details of compiling sources.
[10:53] <\|\> Hey In #BATTLE  http://battle.lv/modules.php?m=u&call=0000005284 <--- Free Battle Company Site ( Don't Worry its not virus site! )
[10:54] <strav> (thanks)
[10:54] <din> Angelus_2969: pm
[10:54] <Burgundavia> strav, just install from synaptic
[10:54] <twosharp> pfp: ok now I've reconfigured xorg, but the Point2Play wizard still fails at testing OpenGL status
[10:54] <koneng> my video playback is choppy/laggy. I've installed the latest ATI drivers for my AIT 9600Pro card. The video/sound is playing so I assume I have the correct codecs properly installed. Any ideas?
[10:54] <Angelus_2969> din: weird, I can see you messages in pm, but you can't see mine I think
[10:55] <pfp> twosharp: you need to log out, zap x (ctrl-alt-backspace), and log back in for it to use the new drivers
[10:55] <chumphries> strav: ya, i don't know about that package, like Burgundavia said, install via packages using synaptic
[10:55] <warty> hola
[10:55] <robotgeek> how come we have so many spam bots here in #ubuntu?
[10:55] <chumphries> makes like easier
[10:55] <twosharp> pfp: ok, thanks for the help =)
[10:55] <cyphase> robotgeek, we don't
[10:55] <din> lol
[10:55] <cyphase> in #ubuntu-unregged maybe
[10:55] <majikstreet> eix
[10:55] <majikstreet> exit
[10:56] <chumphries> heh
[10:56] <Angelus_2969> din: i will switch to another IRC client
[10:56] <robotgeek> yeah, sorry...that what i meant.
[10:56] <warty> sabes ablar espanol
[10:56] <din> ok
[10:56] <Baskerville> warty: Espanhol? E Portugus?
[10:56] <cyphase> robotgeek, because a lot of people pss through it
[10:56] <cyphase> pass*
[10:56] <Gnonthgol> warty: #ubuntu-es
[10:56] <cemc> aurax: here?
[10:56] <emile> i have a ntfs formatted usb disk, when plugged in i can only read files, not delete or write how can i change this?
[10:57] <JBLoudG20> any real player uninstall help?
[10:57] <warty> como te llamas
[10:57] <angelus_1969> join #ubuntu
[10:57] <yaul> warty: me llamo frank
[10:57] <din> heh
[10:57] <kemik> emile:  linux doesnt handle writing to NTFS very well
[10:57] <robotgeek> cyphase: my only experience with irc has been #ubuntu, so i am new to irc as such :)
[10:57] <cyphase> lol
[10:57] <kemik> emile:  perhaps format it as FAT or ext?
[10:57] <din> ahhh
[10:57] <din> i know what it is
[10:57] <din> i'm mode +E
[10:58] <din> one sec
[10:58] <emile> kemik: i'm willing to take some risk, i have to delete some files which are on it
[10:58] <bimberi> robotgeek: you too :)
[10:58] <Uthini> emile: by default NTFS partitions are loaded as read only, only way is to reformat, trust me on this, i lost data because i tried to be clever
[10:58] <Viziri> i've got a strange problem. Finally got citrix ICAClient working but for me to keep root-terminal open as long as i use the program. Is this unusual?
[10:58] <twosharp> pfp: now its wotking :D thanks alot =)
[10:58] <pfp> twosharp: nice :)
[10:58] <fowerd> hey all
[10:58] <robotgeek> bimberi: i am ubotu's cousin, i am ok here!
[10:58] <Viziri> but requires**
[10:58] <din> angelus_1969: hey, pm pm pm pm :p
[10:58] <cemc> emile: it may break things
[10:58] <yaul> problem - i was trying to use pydance and i installed the package but when i run it it gives me a "mixer system not initialized" error and refers to some lines in the python source. any idea whats wrong?
[10:58] <bimberi> robotgeek: haha
[10:59] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: run program gksudu <program>
[10:59] <emile> well if my only other option is reformating ... then data is lost anyway ;-)
[10:59] <Viziri> ok
[10:59] <pfp> twosharp: btw, you might want to install a kernel optimized for your cpu, package linux-k7 or linux-686 (for amd and intel respectively)
[10:59] <fowerd> could some one tell me how I can port forward port 80 to another machine but for ssh
[10:59] <kemik> emile:  there is some way you can write to NTFS, but i think it's not worth the hassle
[10:59] <bimberi> Geez there's a lot of joining and quickly leaving going on. Spammers?
[10:59] <fowerd> with just scripts and stuff
[11:00] <fowerd> i don't have fire starter
[11:00] <fowerd> just a comand line
[11:00] <Nylira> hi
[11:00] <cemc> fowerd: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination ip:22
[11:00] <cemc> something like this
[11:00] <Nylira> I have a question with regards to mounting vfat volumes
[11:00] <kemik> !tell Nylira about ntfs
[11:01] <Nylira> bleh
[11:01] <fowerd> cemc: thanks
[11:01] <Nylira> not ntfs
[11:01] <kemik> Nylira:  read all of it ?
[11:01] <robotgeek> bimberi: i guess that was what I was asking about, but din't ask properly!
[11:01] <emile> !tell emile about ntfs
[11:01] <cemc> fowerd: add a "-s <machines_ip>" too
[11:01] <Nylira> Look I can get it mounted just peachy
[11:01] <Viziri> didn't work Gnonthgol  -tells me command not found
[11:01] <Gnonthgol> !tell Nylira about vfat
[11:01] <kemik> Nylira:  ok, so ask your entire question then ;)
[11:01] <cemc> fowerd: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d ip_addr -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination ip_addr2:22
[11:01] <cemc> -d sorry
[11:02] <koneng> I have choppy/laggy video playback. After installing the latest video card drivers (for my ATI 9600 Pro), what should be my next step to resolve this issue?
[11:02] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: with the run application stuff
[11:02] <kemik> !tell kemik about vfat
[11:02] <Nylira> ok well having this problem at a friend of mine
[11:02] <Nylira> basically I made the mount dir and made sure the ownership is right
[11:02] <Viziri> ? @ Gnonthgol
[11:02] <Nylira> Then I mount the device .. so far so good
[11:02] <Arsonide> so many screensavers...
[11:02] <Nylira> The second I try to copy to it the ownership on the mount dir alters to root:root
[11:03] <bimberi> robotgeek: ooh, so you did, i missed that.  I think it must be spam related
[11:03] <cemc> Homerr: any luck ?
[11:03] <fowerd> cemc: u mean -s is acutally -d ?
[11:03] <LinuxJones> koneng, dma is probably turned off on your hard drive which results in crappy playback of video or high quality audio
[11:03] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: Applications > Run Applications > gksudo [command] 
[11:03] <bedi> is breezy X broken ?
[11:03] <kemik> Nylira:  that doesnt sound right.. are you root while copying ?
[11:03] <Nylira> no
[11:03] <kemik> bedi:  breezy isnt stable so ... who knows? ;)
[11:03] <koneng> linuxJones: how can I turn DMA on?
[11:03] <cemc> fowerd: yep, -d the_machine's_ip
[11:04] <bedi> ehe
[11:04] <bedi> kemik: it will be stable september ia ? =D
[11:04] <robotgeek> bimberi: yesterday, i got booted to ubuntu-regged , (cause my id was locked up here)..spammed like crazy!
[11:04] <pfp> Nylira: chown'ing a mount point _before_ mounting stuff on it has no effect, the mount point inherits the mounted filesystem's root's owner
[11:04] <cemc> fowerd: tell me something. is this machine a gateway for some local net, and you want to reach a port on a machine behind this gateway?
[11:04] <fowerd> cemc: in your example is the destination for port 80 changed to port 22?
[11:04] <cemc> fowerd: or something like that ?
[11:04] <Nylira> yes well the thing is when its mounted the owner is correct
[11:05] <Viziri> Apllications> good, but 'Run applications'? - i'm lost
[11:05] <Nylira> Just that when I start copying it will hit me for operation not permitted
[11:05] <harobed> hi, I search information about uml (user-mode-linux) on ubuntu. Where can I found howto ... ? I search it on ubuntu wiki, google... I found nothing.
[11:05] <Nylira> and then when checking the ownership changes
[11:05] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: the botum one
[11:05] <fowerd> cemc: yeah well
[11:05] <pfp> Nylira: hmm. it's a VFAT disk?
[11:05] <Nylira> yes
[11:05] <Nylira> fat32
[11:06] <Viziri> Gnonthgol: "the botum one"  ???
[11:06] <fowerd> cemc: the router linux box thing is forwarding port 80 to machine a
[11:06] <emile> hmm so mounting ntfs rw would require kernel recompiling
[11:06] <LinuxJones> koneng, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdx (with 'x' being your hard disk drive)
[11:06] <fowerd> machine a is an ubuntu box
[11:06] <Belutz> what's the bad thing about xmms?
[11:06] <emile> and _is_ experimental
[11:06] <emile> maybe better reformating ;-)
[11:06] <koneng> LinuxJones, i'll try that. Thanks
[11:06] <pfp> Nylira: they dont understand owners / unix permissions, so you have to specify them at mount time with uid, gid etc. options
[11:06] <cemc> fowerd: machine A has a real ip, or some false ip ?
[11:06] <Gnonthgol> Viziri:  what version are you using?
[11:07] <Viziri> hoary 5.04
[11:07] <synd> is it safe to upgrade to breezy?
[11:07] <pfp> Nylira: "man mount", search for options for fat. OTOH, there's an automagic script to mount vfat volumes...
[11:07] <fowerd> cemc: if u mean a local ip like 192... then yeah
[11:07] <pfp> !vfat
[11:07] <ubotu> vfat is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[11:07] <pfp> Nylira: ^
[11:07] <cemc> fowerd: then it's like this:
[11:08] <puff> Afternoon.
[11:08] <synd> ?
[11:08] <nitin> guys, i setup my ubuntu as  a server and used webmin / virtualmin to create a virtual server for test.com as a domain name and i used the hosts file on windows to forward test.com to the servers ip, but the domain name doesnt get forewarded to its directory ...
[11:08] <cemc> fowerd: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d router_real_ip -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.x.y:22
[11:08] <pfp> Nylira: hopefully that made any sense :)
[11:08] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: Applications > Run something
[11:08] <fowerd> but i want machine a to foward to another machine behind the nat
[11:08] <cemc> fowerd: this will forward any packet addressed to the linux box coming in on port 80 to machine A to port 22
[11:08] <fowerd> machine b
[11:08] <Viziri> nevermind Gnonthgol ....
[11:08] <synd> is it safe to upgrade to breezy?
[11:09] <ivoks> synd: no
[11:09] <yaul> wasnt breezy doing a gcc transition or osmething right now?
[11:09] <synd> ivoks: any idea how long til?
[11:09] <Entity_razer> HI all
[11:09] <cemc> fowerd: you lost me there :)
[11:09] <Entity_razer> anyone know how I can get the SDL driver installed? :s
[11:09] <ivoks> synd: in october it will be ready
[11:09] <Gnonthgol> !breezy
[11:09] <ubotu> breezy is, like, the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[11:09] <Entity_razer> its supposed to be in usr/lib/priv/.......
[11:09] <Entity_razer> but it isn't there
[11:09] <cemc> fowerd: you have machine A, which is the router, who does the NAT, right ?
[11:10] <synd> ivoks: i know that.
[11:10] <pfp> Nylira: correct (on the channel, please :)
[11:10] <fowerd> cemc: ok ill say this all a once
[11:10] <cemc> fowerd: ok
[11:11] <puff> Gnonthgol: I found the pci module for my wireless card via the "pcimodules" command.  Did "modprobe ipw2200" to try to get it loaded.
[11:11] <pfp> Nylira: uid=username,gid=group -- also might want to use fmask= to remove x-permission from regular files
[11:11] <puff> Gnonthgol: Now... now what?
[11:11] <Gnonthgol> synd: If you are just playing around with ubuntu you could update, but if this is a serious no
[11:11] <nitin> guys, i setup my ubuntu as  a server and used webmin / virtualmin to create a virtual server for test.com as a domain name and i used the hosts file on windows to forward test.com to the servers ip, but the domain name doesnt get forewarded to its directory ...
[11:11] <fowerd> cemc: can i pm you?
[11:11] <koneng> LinuxJones, do i have to reboot for the DMA change to work?
[11:11] <Nylira> Hhmm I got  iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[11:11] <cemc> fowerd: sure
[11:11] <synd> Gnonthgol: but its not stable enough to use everyday?
[11:12] <synd> i remember using Hoary successfully for a while before it was officially release.
[11:12] <Gnonthgol> synd: take caution
[11:12] <synd> released*
[11:12] <pfp> Nylira: sound sane
[11:12] <pfp> sounds
[11:12] <Nylira> heh
[11:12] <fowerd> cemc; could you pm me i cant for some reason?
[11:12] <Gnonthgol> puff: does it show up in ifconfig?
[11:13] <Entity_razer> No one know how I can get the SDL_driver installed?
[11:13] <cemc> fowerd: now ?
[11:13] <LinuxJones> koneng, no if you re-boot your settings will be lost. Try watching a movie or whatever it should be much better
[11:13] <Burgundavia> Entity_razer, what do you need it for?
[11:13] <Entity_razer> I am trying to run wings
[11:13] <Entity_razer> but everytime I start it it says it cannot find the SDL_driver
[11:13] <theine> Entity_razer, what errors do you get?
[11:13] <Entity_razer> so I cannot open wings
[11:14] <Entity_razer> I'll post the error from the terminal window hold on
[11:14] <Burgundavia> Entity_razer, just install wings3d. It will pull in any deps
[11:14] <Entity_razer> I did that already
[11:14] <puff> Gnonthgol: not sure, but i think no.
[11:14] <Entity_razer> didn't work :s
[11:14] <ttyS0> Entity_razer, try looking through libsdl packages in synaptic
[11:14] <Zhukov> hi there
[11:14] <PlutoPrime> hi
[11:15] <Gnonthgol> puff: then you use iwconfig
[11:15] <yaul> i'm having problems with pygame sound and i read that i should try to use OSS instead of ESD, or i should specify i'm using esd in the environemnt variable, but i'm not sure how to do either. help?
[11:15] <puff> Gnonthgol: Before, it was showing up as eth1 (the wire was eth0).  Then it wasn't showing up at all, that I could tell.  I did modprobe ipw2200.  It still doesn't show up for ifconfig.
[11:15] <Entity_razer> ok thx mods :) I'll check into tit
[11:15] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:15] <Entity_razer> it*
[11:15] <Entity_razer> if it doesn't work i'm sure you'll see me again :)
[11:15] <koneng> LinuxJones, no, i'm having the same problem. I should have mentioned this earlier, but this HD is on the same IDE cable as my DVD-RW drive (but the drive is empty). From what i was told, i would only suffer slow downs if I had a CD/DVD in the drive at the same time. Do you think this could be the problem?
[11:15] <theine> puff, have you looked at the dmesg output?
[11:16] <puff> Gnonthgol: and iwconfig shows lo, sit0, eth0, lists all of them with "no wireless extensions"
[11:16] <confrey> I need a help for perl : how can I verify if an argument is an integer?
[11:16] <PlutoPrime> how do I prevent a module from starting automatically?
[11:16] <Gnonthgol> puff: you seams to miss the drivers
[11:16] <theine> PlutoPrime, you can try /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:16] <yaul> confrey: [0-9] + ?
[11:17] <PlutoPrime> theine, thanks .. that's what I was trying to remember
[11:17] <LinuxJones> koneng, no that should not be a problem. Put a disk in the drive and type mount to make sure you have the dma settings on the correct drive.
[11:17] <confrey> yaul, yes, and more... example : 25, 456, etc.
[11:17] <theine> puff, dmesg is usually pretty helpful for resolvinf issues like this...
[11:18] <emile> i love ubuntu i just removed the ntfs partion using gparted and resized existing w32 partion to use freed drivespace
[11:18] <spiderworm> emile: wow, that's love alright
[11:18] <cemc> fowerd: anything?
[11:19] <puff> theine: I don't see anything obvious in dmesg.
[11:19] <confrey> yaul, can you suggest me?
[11:20] <iamnow> hi
[11:20] <Entity_razer> sorry mods, the SDL driver still doesn't get installed :s
[11:20] <iamnow> what cd burning software should i use for installing an iso in this distro
[11:20] <Gnonthgol> puff: are you sure you got the right drivers?
[11:20] <Entity_razer> can't I just copy someones sdl_driver.so to my folder?
[11:20] <qt2> would someone tell me if this sources.list looks fine?: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1728
[11:20] <puff> Gnonthgol: Any suggestions as to how I'd figure that out?
[11:20] <theine> puff, so what does `dmesg | grep ipw' actually give you?
[11:20] <puff> theine: Nada.
[11:21] <robotgeek> iamnow: are u on windows. if so any iso burning software should be fine, just burn at low speeds
[11:21] <theine> puff, not even after you did `modprobe ipw2200'?
[11:21] <koneng> LinuxJones, it's possible that I typed in the wrong drive before. /dev/hdc1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) <-- this should be this HD (it was the only one that has ext3 filesystem)
[11:21] <fowerd> cemc: hey did you get the big long pm i sent you or did it not come thru?
[11:21] <puff> Gnonthgol: I googled ipw2200 and it came up with http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//ipw2200.sourceforge.net/&ei=ynkTQ_uXHJ3i-AHqyK25Cg as the first hit.
[11:21] <iamnow> robotgeek: no im in ubuntu burning an iso
[11:21] <puff> theine: correct.
[11:21] <cemc> fowerd: nope,
[11:21] <cemc> fowerd: i didn't get anyithing
[11:21] <theine> puff, does `modprobe -v ipw2200' say anything?
[11:22] <Entity_razer> TTYS0, still no go :s
[11:22] <Entity_razer> reinstalled the entire thing
[11:22] <Entity_razer> no go still
[11:22] <Entity_razer> can't I just copy someones sdl_driver.so to my directory?
[11:22] <LinuxJones> koneng, you don't specify the partition jsut the drive like /dev/hdc (it will tell you that dma has been turned on once you issue the command)
[11:22] <NoUse> qt2 looks ok to me
[11:22] <theine> Entity_razer, so what's the exact error message you're getting?
[11:23] <puff> http://pastebin.com/349529
[11:23] <fowerd> cemc:ill paste it here
[11:23] <cemc> koneng: or if you just hdparm /dev/hdc, it should show you the current settings
[11:23] <iamnow> is xcdroast good ?
[11:23] <cemc> fowerd: ok
[11:23] <Entity_razer> hold on
[11:23] <fowerd> cemc: fowerd a is not the man router
[11:23] <puff> theine: modprobe -v ipw2200 --> nada
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd  / nat thing
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd i am an a difernt house
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd and can conect to  reall IP R on the main router of the remote household
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd so main router is R
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd router R port forwards port 80 to machine a
[11:23] <robotgeek> fowerd: use the pastebin!
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd on its port 80
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd i want to make machine a forward port 80 again to another local machine machine b
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd (a and be a local ips machine R is internet ip)
[11:23] <fowerd> fowerd cemc: you there?
[11:23] <robotgeek> !pastebin
[11:23] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:23] <LinuxJones> fowerd, :(
[11:23] <Entity_razer> it's to big to post it here so I'll just paste the wings_cras.dump to the paste?
[11:23] <GenesisX> Hi
[11:24] <cemc> fowerd: oops... i didn't think it's that big :/
[11:24] <NoUse> iamnow not really
[11:24] <GenesisX> I installed ubuntu just now and it says the root account was disabled. so now, I don't know how to change my root pw
[11:24] <ttyS0> Entity_razer, what application requires that driver?
[11:24] <bratsche> Is there a way to get Ubuntu to detect when USB storage devices are plugged in and automatically mount them?
[11:24] <theine> puff, very strange
[11:24] <robotgeek> iamnow: k3b is very nice on linux
[11:24] <houcine> bonsoir
[11:24] <iamnow> is k3b in the distro?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> GenesisX, Ubuntu uses sudo
[11:24] <robotgeek> bratsche: it does it automagically, to /media/<label>
[11:24] <bratsche> Wait, nevermind.  It did automount, it just didn't show up in Nautilus.
[11:24] <NoUse> iamnow yes
[11:24] <Gnonthgol> Why not create a chanel like #ubuntu-paste
[11:25] <theine> Entity_razer, or use pastebin.com
[11:25] <Entity_razer> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1729
[11:25] <narg> gah, anyone gotten webmin working?
[11:25] <Entity_razer> there you go
[11:25] <narg> Mine is being stupid.
[11:25] <theine> thanks
[11:25] <GenesisX> LinuxJones I know, I tried doing passwd root but it didnt' work
[11:25] <Entity_razer> I know it's the SDL driver thats missing because it's not where it should be
[11:25] <GenesisX> and+
[11:25] <qt2> NoUse, thanks ;)
[11:25] <robotgeek> Gnonthgol: yeah, it does exist. but, http is more convenient
[11:25] <Entity_razer> but the problem is installing/getting the driver then :)
[11:26] <puff> Hm, apt-cache search ipw2200 --> nothing.
[11:26] <robotgeek> Gnonthgol: or atleast it existed before :)
[11:26] <LinuxJones> GenesisX, you use your password (if you installed Ubuntu) liek sudo synaptic (enter your user password)
[11:26] <NoUse> !root
[11:26] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:26] <Entity_razer> TTY it's Wings3D
[11:26] <NoUse> !sudo
[11:26] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:26] <cemc> fowerd: hm... i don't know if you can do that so easily...
[11:26] <Gnonthgol> robotgeek: I am the only one in there now
[11:26] <robotgeek> fowerd: it's allright, we won't hit you or anything!
[11:26] <LinuxJones> GenesisX, you don't need to enable the root account
[11:26] <robotgeek> !lart fowerd
[11:27] <robotgeek> but ubotu will!
[11:27] <cemc> :)
[11:27] <Gnonthgol> lol
[11:27] <GenesisX> yeah I do, I have to get on it to intall gnome-ppp
[11:27] <koneng> LinuxJones, I got it right this time. I checked using 'sudo hdparm /dev/hdc' and it was turned on. I'm still having the same problem
[11:27] <GenesisX> so I type sudo root <pw here>
[11:27] <koneng> i took the CD out first too
[11:27] <GenesisX> or what
[11:27] <NoUse> !tell GenesisX about sudo
[11:27] <fowerd> lol
[11:27] <robotgeek> :)
[11:27] <GenesisX> ok
[11:27] <cemc> koneng: what problem do you have?
[11:27] <Entity_razer> TTY, Theine? any word yet? :)
[11:27] <theine> Entity_razer, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27658.html
[11:28] <fowerd> cemc: why not wont it just work?
[11:28] <ttyS0> Entity_razer, sorry, but I have no idea
[11:28] <cemc> fowerd: why not forward a port direct to b ?
[11:28] <Entity_razer> lol
[11:28] <Baskerville> Having problems with sound card?
[11:28] <GenesisX> brb reading that
[11:28] <Entity_razer> np :p
[11:28] <cemc> fowerd: on R
[11:28] <Entity_razer> thx theine
[11:28] <Baskerville> Can someone help?
[11:28] <Baskerville> Having problems with sound card?
[11:28] <Baskerville> Having problems with sound card?
[11:28] <Gnonthgol> GenesisX: you wil be asked for psw.
[11:28] <Baskerville> Having problems with sound card?
[11:28] <Baskerville> Having problems with sound card
[11:28] <koneng> cemc, linuxjones: sorry, i lost track of time. i have to run to work. i'll come back later. thanks for your help so far
[11:28] <Baskerville> Can someone help?
[11:28] <robotgeek> Baskerville: asking many times in a row does not ensure that people will help you
[11:28] <Gnonthgol> Baskerville: mine too
[11:28] <Baskerville> ;o)
[11:28] <fowerd> cemc, cant access R's routing stuff right now
[11:28] <theine> Entity_razer, you're welcome
[11:28] <NoUse> Baskerville have you run through the sound page on the wiki?
[11:28] <Gnonthgol> Baskerville: What is the prob
[11:29] <Baskerville> yes
[11:29] <Baskerville> I have done it all...
[11:29] <NoUse> Baskerville ok whats the problem?
[11:29] <fowerd> cemc: cant acces R's routing stuff right now
[11:29] <Baskerville> But when I rebooted, still with no sound
[11:29] <cemc> fowerd: you could try...,
[11:29] <Baskerville> NoUse: Sometimes with sound, sometimes without
[11:29] <cemc> fowerd: but i'm not sure it will work
[11:30] <fowerd> cemc why can i not just past port 80 on some more for a to b?
[11:30] <cemc> fowerd: because the packet as it past through R, is rewritten,
[11:30] <cemc> fowerd: destination to machine A's ip,
[11:31] <lineage> hey guys, i have aMule turned off and my firewall (Firestarter) shows that i have eDonkeys connections on my computer...what is wrong with that ?
[11:31] <cemc> fowerd: if you forward it to B, you have to rewrite destination ip to machine B's ip,
[11:31] <Entity_razer> THeINe
[11:31] <NoUse> Baskerville could you be more specific?
[11:31] <Entity_razer> it appears I don't have write rights to the mape priv in the erlang folder
[11:31] <Entity_razer> any way to bypass it? :)
[11:31] <cemc> fowerd: but if B wants to reply, it will send the packet directly to R,
[11:31] <Entity_razer> use the root terminal?
[11:31] <fowerd> cemc: won't A do that while its forwarding?
[11:31] <Baskerville> When I turn on my computer
[11:31] <fowerd> ahhhhhhhhh
[11:31] <Baskerville> it plays sounds
[11:32] <fowerd> ceme: now you got me
[11:32] <Baskerville> but others, it doesn't
[11:32] <lineage> hey guys, i have aMule turned off and my firewall (Firestarter) shows that i have eDonkeys connections on my computer...what is wrong with that ??
[11:32] <Baskerville> My kmix tells me that there is no device,
[11:32] <cemc> fowerd: R will not know what to do with the packet...
[11:32] <ryguy1233> hi
[11:32] <Baskerville> and that I shoud execute esd in a console
[11:32] <Baskerville> I did it, and still nothing
[11:32] <cemc> fowerd: cause it came from B, and not from A
[11:32] <fowerd> cemc: could you go.....
[11:32] <cemc> fowerd: but you could try
[11:32] <ryguy1233> i was looking to get rid of the grub loader becuase i uninstalled ubuntu and cannot load windows now
[11:33] <fowerd> cemc: R > A > B > A > R
[11:33] <NoUse> ryguy1233 if you run windows repair it will fix that
[11:33] <ryguy1233> a windows98 bootdisk?
[11:33] <pfp> lineage: nothing, the network just remembers your ip for some time
[11:33] <NoUse> Baskerville so you are running KDE?
[11:33] <Gnonthgol> ! tell ryguy1233 about grub
[11:33] <ubotu> Gnonthgol: Are you on ritalin?
[11:34] <fowerd> cemc: like set up forwards on posiblely diferents ports in the other direction
[11:34] <lineage> thanks pfp
[11:34] <ryguy1233> i tried windows98 boot disk from bootdisk.com
[11:34] <cemc> fowerd: uhh...
[11:34] <Baskerville> NoUse: Yes
[11:34] <NoUse> ryguy1233 what version of windows do you run?
[11:34] <cemc> fowerd: i don't know, i guess you have to try it,
[11:34] <ryguy1233> but i got the error invalid system disk
[11:34] <cemc> fowerd: and see if it works
[11:34] <ryguy1233> win xp
[11:34] <ryguy1233> media center edition
[11:34] <NoUse> ryguy1233 then why are you using a win98 bootdisk?
[11:34] <Toba> is there a reason some apps have working sound and some don't?
[11:34] <fowerd> cemc: lol well what were you going to say before?
[11:34] <cemc> fowerd: you know tcpdump ?
[11:34] <Toba> the system sounds work
[11:34] <Toba> but media players don't make sound
[11:34] <ryguy1233> it was recommended to me... just to use fdisk/mbr tho
[11:35] <fowerd> cemc: only heard the name
[11:35] <NoUse> ryguy1233 boot of the XP disk, you'll see a repair option
[11:35] <cemc> fowerd: now is a good time to man tcpdump then :)
[11:35] <ryguy1233> and thatll just fix my mbr?
[11:35] <NoUse> ryguy1233 yes
[11:35] <shinu> is there any alternative to k3b?
[11:35] <cemc> fowerd: take my iptables example and modify stuff, and try it out, honestly i don't know if it works that way,
[11:35] <ryguy1233> can i just get that at bootdisk.com?
[11:35] <cemc> fowerd: i'll have to try...
[11:35] <Uthini> !paste
[11:35] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[11:36] <NoUse> ryguy1233 no your WinXP CD
[11:36] <Baskerville> NoUse: If  you acess my pc remotely, can you fix this?
[11:36] <fowerd> cemc: cool hehe
[11:36] <fowerd> i'll try to
[11:36] <NoUse> Baskerville I don't have enough information
[11:36] <ryguy1233> hmm... let me see if i even got one of those
[11:36] <fowerd> cemc i have to go to work now though
[11:36] <thrush> active directory just locked 6000 people out of their account =(
[11:36] <cemc> fowerd: and i have to go to bed :)
[11:36] <Homerrr> thrush OWCH
[11:36] <Baskerville> I have a ATI AC'97 sound driver
[11:36] <Homerrr> thats going to be fun to fix
[11:36] <Uthini> guys, is there a fstab repair for linux drivers?
[11:36] <Uthini> drives*
[11:37] <cemc> fowerd: 0:40am here :)
[11:37] <Baskerville> NoUse: If  you acess my pc remotely, can you fix this?
[11:37] <Jazy84> hey guys i need some help
[11:37] <fowerd> cemc: can you  givie me some tcpdum examples ?
[11:37] <fowerd> cemc: oh man
[11:37] <cemc> fowerd: tcpdump -n host 192.168.0.2
[11:37] <cemc> fowerd: man tcpdump
[11:37] <fowerd> 9 40 here
[11:37] <cemc> fowerd: you have to be root
[11:37] <Jazy84> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1731 i posted there. i get some error on locales
[11:37] <qt2> Jazy84, ask.
[11:37] <robotgeek> Jazy84: don't ask to ask, just ask your question!
[11:37] <Gnonthgol> ryguy1233: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prmb_tol_zldj.asp
[11:38] <robotgeek> Jazy84: :)
[11:38] <fowerd> cemc: I'm to handy caped to read man's thats why i come here :P
[11:38] <din> where is the local start file on ubuntu?
[11:38] <Uthini> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1730 <---- apt is giving me uphill
[11:38] <din> to start programs at boot
[11:38] <Uthini> run th updates, and blah blahj
[11:38] <Jazy84> i tried to apt-get install language-pack-en-base. but get get an error.
[11:38] <cemc> fowerd: don't be :) this is just a last resort help thing ;) i guess ;)
[11:39] <cemc> fowerd: first you read manuals, then you read some more, then google, then you try a little more, and after 2 days you come here ;)
[11:39] <twibbler> only two days cemc
[11:39] <Arsonide> Hey you guys know how I can make middle mouse (scroll wheel) "click" work while browsing web pages? I use that a lot...
[11:39] <cemc> fowerd: that way you will remember it next time you have the same problem ;)
[11:40] <Gnonthgol> din: use the app. Sessions
[11:40] <pfp> Arsonide: what do you expect the button to do?
[11:40] <din> um that only does it for gnome
[11:40] <Gnonthgol> Jazy84: what problem?
[11:41] <Arsonide> It brings up that little bubble thing, with the arrows, and you move the mouse to scroll, instead of using the wheel.
[11:41] <cemc> twibbler: well :) after 2 days of trying
[11:41] <fowerd> cemc: I spose i'm getting to the stage where i can "leave the nest"  and do that
[11:41] <fowerd> :P
[11:41] <Jazy84> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1731 --> get that problem after installing anything
[11:41] <Jazy84> about the locales
[11:41] <kelly_> sdf
[11:41] <cemc> fowerd: :)
[11:41] <kelly_> hello..
[11:41] <fowerd> cemc: ok I will endever
[11:41] <cemc> i'll be here tomorrow too,
[11:41] <lineage> any mmorpg open source ?
[11:42] <kelly_> i have installed successfully ubuntu in my laptop...wall hardward was detected...
[11:42] <cemc> fowerd: then i'll try this forwarding too
[11:42] <kelly_> yehey!\
[11:42] <fowerd> cemc: I'm to adicted to bugging people for fast solutions i spose :P
[11:42] <pfp> Arsonide: oh. i always hated that :)
[11:42] <narg> what was the bash dot file that ran commands at shell login again?
[11:42] <kelly_> i have installed successfully ubuntu in my laptop...wall hardward was detected... and it runs faster than xp home..
[11:42] <Arsonide> pfp, how do I get it to do it?
[11:42] <tag> why does it seem like java in ubuntu isn't so sweet?
[11:42] <fowerd> cemc: cool man I see if i can find you another day
[11:42] <Gnonthgol> Jazy84: Normaly you ignore the locale, does it prevent you from doing something?
[11:42] <cemc> fowerd: you should try it yourself... you're better off that way
[11:42] <fowerd> yeah i will
[11:42] <pfp> Arsonide: some "smooth scrolling" setting in firefox i think
[11:43] <fowerd> have to got to work in 15 mins :s
[11:43] <Jazy84> no. just always see the error message, and was wondering what it could be.
[11:43] <puff> Okay, so I think (based on advice from an ipw2200 user in ##linux) that the problem is that I upgraded my kernel.
[11:43] <cemc> fowerd: ok, bye
[11:43] <Jazy84> haven't ran into anything that wouldn't 'work' because of it.
[11:43] <puff> Unfortunately, he's not an ubuntu user.
[11:43] <puff> so he's not sure where to find the ipw2200 driver, to reinstall it.
[11:43] <fowerd> cemc: see you and THANKS for all your help! :)
[11:43] <cemc> puff: you compiled the driver yourself,
[11:43] <cemc> puff: from source ?
[11:44] <cemc> fowerd: np
[11:44] <puff> cemc: no, I used the ubuntu kernel upgrade process.
[11:44] <puff> On second thought, i can see ipw2200 in lsmod. Hm.
[11:44] <Gnonthgol> Jazy84: The problem is probably caused by the LOCALE setting in the envirement, nothing to wory about
[11:44] <Jazy84> excellent good to know :) thanks Gnonthgol
[11:45] <Arsonide> pfp, Know a list of games that work with Linux?
[11:45] <cemc> puff: what kernel you have now?
[11:45] <Jazy84> on more thing i was wondering. Could i prevent my iBook from going to bed on closing the lid. Right now it does but the problem is when it tries to get back from hibernation (i'm guessing) it hangs when bringing back up the wifi.
[11:45] <mrproper> Is it safe to upgrade to Breezy from Horay yet?
[11:45] <pfp> Arsonide: heh, i don't play, except tetris and supa mario :)
[11:45] <HiddenWolf> Arsonide, there is a forum on ubuntuforums.org specifically about gaming
[11:46] <pfp> Arsonide: there was a list on the on the forums though
[11:46] <HiddenWolf> mrproper, you'll have to expect some trouble still. Shouldn't be major tho.
[11:46] <mrproper> HiddenWolf, Did they get the whole issue with X fixed?
[11:46] <bobbyd> hi, what's the util called that lets me install from source but have the app regisered as a .deb?
[11:46] <Jazy84> pfp how you playing mario emu?
[11:46] <HiddenWolf> mrproper, Mostly
[11:47] <Jazy84> dkpg?
[11:47] <mrproper> HiddenWolf, When is Breezy due out?
[11:47] <cemc> hm, gotta go
[11:47] <cemc> bye
[11:47] <Jazy84> have a good one
[11:47] <bobbyd> Jazy84, I mean an abitrary application that I compile
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> mrproper, early october, with a preview in less than a month.
[11:47] <Gnonthgol> !dpkg
[11:47] <Nylira> god I hate fat32 drives
[11:47] <ubotu> somebody said dpkg was the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb
[11:47] <pfp> Jazy84: yeah, fceu
[11:47] <mrproper> HiddenWolf, I may wait for the preview, since that'll allow an easier upgrade I assume.
[11:47] <puff> cemc: Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005
[11:48] <Jazy84> nice, need to try that out.
[11:48] <Nylira> hey pfp
[11:48] <GenesisX> HI again
[11:48] <Nylira> i tried adding the uid and gid for mounting
[11:48] <apokryphos> mrproper: not easier, since it's the same process, but perhaps smoother, yes. Breezy is getting stabler constantly
[11:48] <GenesisX> i got my root pw thing fgured out
[11:48] <GenesisX> now I have another problem
[11:48] <pfp> Nylira: did it work?
[11:49] <Gnonthgol> GenesisX: ok
[11:49] <Nylira> nope
[11:49] <GenesisX> I tried doing 'apt-get install gnome-ppp' and it said the package was missing
[11:49] <GenesisX> :(
[11:49] <GenesisX> it said "cannot find package"
[11:49] <|Imp|> is breezy stable yet?
[11:49] <Nylira> uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[11:50] <Gnonthgol> ! tell |Imp| about breezy
[11:50] <ubotu> Gnonthgol: Are you on ritalin?
[11:50] <pfp> Nylira: so if you do "ls -l /mount/point/name" , are they still wned by root?
[11:50] <pfp> *owned, heh
[11:50] <|Imp|> Gnonthgol, nice....
[11:50] <apokryphos> |Imp|: reasonably
[11:50] <GenesisX> so is there any other way to install gnome-ppp?
[11:50] <ttyS0> GenesisX, update your repos
[11:50] <GenesisX> repos?
[11:51] <ttyS0> repositories
[11:51] <GenesisX> ah
[11:51] <NoUse> !info gnome-ppp
[11:51] <ubotu> gnome-ppp: (a modem internet connection tool for GNOME), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.17-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 572 kB
[11:51] <GenesisX> someone told me to do that before
[11:51] <Nylira> Jup
[11:51] <Nylira> still on root:root
[11:51] <Gnonthgol> ! repositories
[11:51] <ubotu> I heard repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:51] <GenesisX> do I need to connect to the internet from ubuntu to do that?
[11:51] <Gnonthgol> GenesisX: yes
[11:51] <ttyS0> GenesisX, aha
[11:51] <GenesisX> then I'm screwed
[11:51] <GenesisX> cause I only have 56 k
[11:51] <GenesisX> dialup
[11:52] <superSizeMe> #ubuntu-fr
[11:52] <tdn_> I have just switched to Ubuntu. Then I read at UbuntuForums.org (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9836&highlight=ethereal), that I can get ethrereal and ethreape for Ubuntu. But apt-cache search ethreal gives nothing. I am also missing my Eterm. Where do I get these apps?
[11:52] <Nylira> I cant the damn thing mounted apparently that it will allow me to write to it as the regular user
[11:52] <NoUse> GenesisX its 76k, not that big
[11:52] <ttyS0> GenesisX, mine is 19 k dial-up but I'm here
[11:52] <pfp> Nylira: did you umount it first, then mount with those options?
[11:52] <Nylira> yes
[11:52] <Madpilot> tdn_: do you have the Universe & Multiverse repos enabled?
[11:52] <Gnonthgol> GenesisX: but if you download the package on another computer
[11:52] <Nylira> umount
[11:52] <GenesisX> how do I dial up my isp without gnome-ppp
[11:52] <pfp> Nylira: hmmh.
[11:52] <Nylira> added options to fstab even
[11:52] <Nylira> mount -a
[11:52] <Burgundavia> tdn_, you need to add universe. wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:52] <ttyS0> GenesisX, wvdial
[11:52] <Nylira> also tried manual mount
[11:52] <Nylira> same effect
[11:52] <superSizeMe> #ubuntu/fr
[11:52] <GenesisX> ok
[11:53] <GenesisX> I"ll try vwdial
[11:53] <ttyS0> !wvdial
[11:53] <ubotu> ttyS0: I give up, what is it?
[11:53] <NoUse> GenesisX it might on the installation media, I'm not sure but its worth a look
[11:53] <GenesisX> brb
[11:53] <pfp> Nylira: if you type just 'mount', does it show uid=... etc in parentheses?
[11:53] <tdn_> maddler, No.
[11:53] <tdn_> Bubblefly, Thanks.
[11:54] <theine> GenesisX, you might want to run `sudo pppconfig' before trying out wvdial
[11:54] <Gnonthgol> theine: to late
[11:55] <theine> too bad
[11:55] <Nylira> hmm interesting
[11:55] <superSizeMe> #join ubuntu-fr
[11:55] <Nylira> It has now mounted to a secondary dir
[11:55] <Gnonthgol> Nylira: what?
[11:55] <Nylira> checking
[11:55] <pfp> :O
[11:55] <Madpilot> superSizeMe: type "/join ubuntu-fr" to join that group
[11:55] <Nylira> have a drive here apparently mounted in 2 dirs with different options
[11:56] <pfp> Nylira: oh, that can't be healthy :)
[11:56] <lunitik> Nylira, check /etc/fstab
[11:56] <Nylira> yes yes
[11:56] <Nylira> working on it
[11:56] <lunitik> Nylira, :)
[11:57] <Gnonthgol> somebody had a sound card that put the input of the mic out on the speekers without drivers installed?
[11:57] <Nylira> Thanks guys.. I am gonna kill my friend
[11:57] <bytefoo> my desktop seems really dark :-/
[11:57] <superSizeMe> #ubuntu-fr
[11:57] <Nylira> he damn well remounted it without teling me
[11:57] <bytefoo> but the brightness is high :o
[11:57] <Nylira> thus having it mounted on a secondary dir
[11:57] <Nylira> what an ass
[11:58] <bytefoo> holy crap, 3ddesktop is laggy :-/
[11:58] <Nylira> so it was mounted twice with different options
[11:58] <bryant> never used this program befor
[11:58] <Nylira> no wonder the system had no clue
[11:58] <bryant> creepy
[11:58] <pfp> heh
[11:58] <superSizeMe> ok   MERCI
[11:59] <Madpilot> bryant: it is labelled as experimental - but if you can take a screenshot and stick in up on the 3ddesktoHowto wiki page, that would be cool!
[11:59] <Wigged> you know i could but like i dont want to
[11:59] <tdn_> I no! I think I just screwed up my sources.list. I added something in System => Administration => Synaptic =>Repositories. How do I get it back to normal? (default from installation. This is a clean install)