[12:08] <Lathiat> Tue Aug 30 10:08:53 UTC 2005
[12:10] <Seveas> that's now :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> I believe you're right :)
[12:16] <Seveas> Tue Aug 30 10:16:30 UTC 2005
[12:16] <Seveas> correction, that's now ;)
[12:18] <ajmitch> and just as irrelevant :P
[12:48] <Lathiat> haha
[12:59] <Seveas> ajmitch, that's irrelevant :)
[09:01] <dand> hi. is the CC meeting still on?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> dand: afaik yes
[09:02] <thoreauputic> in about an hour?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Tue Aug 30 19:02:34 UTC 2005
[09:03] <dand> thoreauputic: alright, my bad :)
[09:03] <thoreauputic> I did the same - looked at London time instead of UTC :)
[09:04] <dand> well, for some reason I thought UTC == GMT...
[09:05] <thoreauputic> dand: yeah - but it isn't because BST != UTC
[09:05] <Mitario> isn't london gmt+1?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> daylight saving
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Mitario: right
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Mitario: at the moment
[09:05] <Mitario> yeah
[09:05] <Mitario> yeah in winter just GMT right?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> yup
[09:06] <Mitario> oki :)
[09:24] <JanC> GMT & UTC are not exactly the same
[09:24] <JanC> there can be an up to 1 second difference  :)
[09:25] <Mitario> ooh right gmt is hh:mm:ss, and UTC hh:mm:ss:ms right? :)
[09:26] <JanC> no, it's based on another fysical fenomenon IIRC
[09:27] <Mitario> ah
[09:29] <JanC> because of that sometimes 23:59:60 UTC can exist
[09:29] <JanC> leap seconds to synchronise   :)
[09:30] <dand> JanC: I wish that was the cause to my confusion :)
[09:30] <JanC> GMT is astronomical, UTC is based on an atom clock
[09:31] <JanC> dand: yeah, it's only leap seconds, not leap hours  :)
[09:40] <mako> greetings everyone
[09:40] <thoreauputic> hi
[09:40] <rbelem> hi mako 
[09:41] <Seveas> hi mako 
[09:41] <Seveas> will the rest of the CC be here this time? ;)
[09:41] <mako> elmo mwill be
[09:42] <mako> elmo sms'ed to remind me since i've been mostly out of touch the last couple days
[09:42] <Seveas> cool
[09:42] <Seveas> how's it going?
[09:43] <mako> i'm very impressed with the infrastructure.. really cool interactions between the kerberos system, client web certificates for everything, id cards, etc
[09:43] <ivoks> hi
[09:43] <ivoks> mako: who do i have to contact for upload rights (i've been motu since may)
[09:43] <mako> also, my advisor (a big ubuntu fan and user) who is also the media lab director asked me to write an official ubuntu configuration document for the media lab :)
[09:44] <mako> ivoks: tech board
[09:44] <Seveas> mako, awesome :)
[09:44] <Mitario> hi everyone
[09:44] <mako> Mitario: thanks for making it
[09:44] <ivoks> mako: um... i've been approved, but there were problems with CoC... ah, never mind... i'll talk with elmo
[09:44] <Mitario> mako, sure :)
[09:45] <Mitario> ivoks, elmo told me/slomo to do it after he has his queued work of the last few days finished
[09:45] <Mitario> ivoks, just spam/ping him some extra times :)
[09:45] <ivoks> Mitario: hehe
[09:45] <ivoks> Mitario: ok, then that's it
[09:46] <Mitario> I don't see he'll have time tonight :) but..
[09:46] <Mitario> it's "soon" :P
[09:46] <Mitario> mako, who will be 3rd?
[09:46] <slomo> Mitario: but he should have time sometime soon... can't be that ivoks is waiting for upload rights for 3 months now ;)
[09:47] <ivoks> slomo: yep, that's right :)
[09:47] <Mitario> slomo, very true
[09:47] <Mitario> but since he's the only one who can do it :S
[09:47] <pitti> Hi $(find -type person)
[09:47] <Mitario> pitti, i'm not a person
[09:47] <ivoks> :)
[09:47] <Mitario> i'm a slimy green muscus
[09:47] <pitti> Mitario: then please don't feel greeted :-)
[09:47] <pitti> eeks
[09:47] <Mitario> ;-)
[09:47] <sistpoty> does anyone know who holds copyright for/which license the ubuntu logo on www.ubuntu.com is?
[09:48] <sistpoty> (just want to set the record for revu2 straight ;))
[09:48] <ogra> mako, edubuntu is nice for lab environments too ;)
[09:49] <Mitario> ivoks, i bet that's illegal in your country :p
[09:49] <mako> ogra: this is a slightly different kind of lab :)
[09:49] <ivoks> Mitario: what? a jo? :>
[09:49] <Mitario> :)
[09:49] <mako> Mitario: sabdfl i suspect
[09:49] <Mitario> mako, ok thanks
[09:50] <ogra> mako, ahh, come on... every lab needs a thin client environment... tell that to your lab director ;)
[09:50] <Mitario> is edubuntu possible to do samba/ldap authentication?
[09:50] <Mitario> as in: is it easy to setup?
[09:51] <ivoks> none LDAP is easy to set up :/
[09:51] <ogra> nope, not for this release
[09:51] <Mitario> ok
[09:52] <Mitario> would be cool to have like apt-get install ldap-support -> Server? *fill in host*, -> User OU's? *fill in groups* done :)
[09:52] <ogra> this one is aimed at a single classroom ltsp environment... everything beyond that is breezy+1
[09:52] <ogra> while breezy+1 shall cover a complete school... there ldap will be necessary
[09:53] <ivoks> i'm very interested to see that...
[09:53] <Lathiat> what about smb? that would be very usefull for integration into existing networks
[09:53] <Mitario> ogra, cool!
[09:53] <Mitario> ogra, we are really /dying/ to convert from windows xp
[09:53] <ogra> yeah
[09:53] <Mitario> or at least, to really investigate the possibility
[09:55] <ivoks> but this should be part of ubuntu, imho
[09:55] <Mitario> hmm
[09:55] <Mitario> you could argue about that :)
[09:56] <ivoks> i have plans implementing this scenario in companys
[09:56] <ogra> everything done for edubuntu is part of ubuntu
[09:56] <ivoks> and they don't want to see classroom bacground :)
[09:56] <ivoks> ogra: that's right, yes...
[09:57] <Mitario> ogra, could you spam my school with some edubuntu CDs when they're there? ;-)
[09:57] <Mitario> hi elmo, Nafallo 
[09:57] <Nafallo> Mitario: morning
[09:57] <thoreauputic> hi apokryphos :)
[09:57] <Mitario> evening ;-)
[09:57] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hola!
[09:58] <hno73> Nafallo: afton :)
[09:58] <ivoks> 'evening
[09:58] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: just made it; had to use blasted Windoze to get a dvd of the wedding :)
[09:58] <ivoks> we are one big happy familly :)
[09:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: oh dear ! ;-)
[09:59] <Nafallo> hno73: yea, that to :-)
[09:59] <bddebian> sistpoty: Grab me one too :-)
[10:00] <Mitario> sistpoty, can you grab me one?
[10:00] <Mitario> haha :)
[10:00] <bddebian> jinx ;)
[10:00] <ivoks> make that 4 cans :)
[10:00] <slomo> hi everybody
[10:00] <Nafallo> ivoks: baah! CANs are evil ;-)
[10:00] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[10:01] <ivoks> Nafallo: in absence of anything better... i would settle with can :)
[10:01] <mako> elmo: so, sabdfl?
[10:01] <Nafallo> ivoks: ;-)
[10:01] <Mitario> get mark out of his chopper
[10:01] <elmo> mako: he said he'd be here.  I pinged him twenty minutes ago, and just rang him, no answer :(
[10:01] <Mitario> eh, do you actually spell it that way?
[10:02] <sistpoty> hehe, Mitario and bddebian... prost!
[10:02] <mako> alright
[10:02] <Mitario> sistpoty, :)
[10:02] <Mitario> oh well, soda then
[10:02] <elmo> mako: shall we give him ten minutes, see if he turns up?
[10:02] <elmo> and/or get on anything we can do without a vote
[10:03] <Mitario> hi mdz 
[10:03] <mdz> hi
[10:03] <mdz> mako: waiting for sabdfl?
[10:03] <mako> yes
[10:03] <bddebian> Hello mdz
[10:03] <sistpoty> hi mdz
[10:04] <bddebian> mdz: Is there still some discussion about having the TB meeting earlier next time?
[10:04] <mdz> bddebian: there is no active discussion, no
[10:04] <bddebian> Oh OK
[10:04] <mdz> but I am open to proposals
[10:04] <bddebian> No, I just missed the last meeting and Jeff Bailey pinged me
[10:04] <mdz> mako: did he say he would be here?
[10:05] <mako> evidently, yes
[10:12] <ivoks> ok... anybody alive? :)
[10:12] <ogra> nope
[10:12] <bddebian> Wow, this is a hopping meeting :-)
[10:12] <elmo> sending one more txt...
[10:12] <ivoks> yay, finally some action :)
[10:12] <mako> Lathiat: if you want to cough up mark shuttleworth
[10:13] <Lathiat> mako: well, i can try...
[10:13] <Mitario> well he was late the previous time? :)
[10:13] <ogra> bddebian, meow
[10:13] <mdz> mako: did you SMS him?
[10:14] <mdz> oh, elmo did
[10:14] <mdz> mako: there is still a quorum without him, isn't there?
[10:14] <elmo> no
[10:14] <ivoks> does Mark have a wife? :)
[10:14] <elmo> kamion couldn't make it either
[10:14] <ogra> ivoks, GF
[10:14] <ogra> afaik
[10:14] <ivoks> ok, that explains...
[10:14] <ivoks> :)
[10:14] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[10:15] <ivoks> give him few more minutes then :)
[10:16] <mako> mdz: i guess we've never really gone over it.. but i've always assumed it was 3/4
[10:16] <mako> mdz: you guys have three people so it's easier
[10:16] <bddebian> mako: Did I ever get an OK on my signed CoC?
[10:17] <ivoks> ah... s/things/thinks/
[10:17] <mako> ivoks: what do you want to know?
[10:17] <mako> ivoks: didn't i already tell you taht was a tech board meeting issue?
[10:18] <ivoks> mako: ok, sorry
[10:18] <Mitario> mako, yes it's not a CC directed question
[10:18] <mako> well, the answer is talk to the tb about that and we've already said that :)
[10:18] <mako> where is mark
[10:18] <Mitario> mako, yes, and TB says elmo should do it :) so we're just waiting for elmo finish his prioritized stuff
[10:19] <mako> ah, ok
[10:19] <mako> so techboard has approved it already
[10:19] <ivoks> yes, 3 months ago :)
[10:19] <mdz> mako: approved what?
[10:19] <Mitario> yes for some people here
[10:19] <Mitario> slomo, ivoks, me sistpoty
[10:19] <slomo> mako: and it would be nice to know if our signed CoC are ok... so elmo doesn't tell us it isn't when he finally has time ;)
[10:19] <mako> mdz: approved upload privledges for some people
[10:19] <sistpoty> nope, /me is no MOTU yet
[10:19] <Mitario> (maybe more?)
[10:19] <elmo> no, the problem is CoCs
[10:19] <mako> ah, ok
[10:19] <Mitario> sistpoty, ah ok
[10:19] <elmo> I've mailed most, if not all of you about this
[10:20] <Seveas> (i'm here, sorry i'm late -- mother in law called with an emotional emergency)
[10:20] <mdz> elmo: launchpad problem?
[10:20] <mako> there is a new webbased system
[10:20] <Mitario> elmo, not yet me
[10:20] <Nafallo> anyone know if he will be here?
[10:20] <Lathiat> Seveas: its ok he havent started anyway ;p
[10:20] <Mitario> i've signed my CoC some days ago
[10:20] <mako> which is a lot easier for everyone involved 
[10:20] <Mitario> and it says I signed it in launchpad
[10:20] <elmo> Mitario: when did you mail upload/keyring@ ?
[10:20] <Seveas> Lathiat, really?
[10:20] <mdz> mako: totally
[10:20] <mako> Nafallo: he said he would be
[10:20] <slomo> elmo: yes... and you got a mail with a signed CoC attached... err... 2 mails... and it's even in launchpad
[10:20] <Mitario> elmo, just after last TB
[10:20] <Lathiat> Seveas: no not really we already finished
[10:20] <elmo> mako: we're using that now?
[10:20] <Nafallo> mako: nice, thanx :-)
[10:20] <Mitario> elmo, so that must've been last friday or something
[10:20] <mdz> mako: well, it's easier for people signing CoCs anyway
[10:20] <elmo> Mitario: dude, it's been a bank holiday weekend in the UK
[10:20] <mdz> mako: no idea if it's easier for elmo ;-)
[10:20] <ondrej> is there still a chance that sabdfl will show up?
[10:20] <Mitario> it says Ubuntite!  Yes on launchpad
[10:20] <ivoks> elmo: i got your mail then, and i had sent fixed CoC to mako... since then no word from anyone... so, I don't know is it ok now or it isn't and if it isn't, what's wrong
[10:20] <Mitario> elmo, yeah no probs :)
[10:21] <mako> elmo: i'm still updating the file with people that email me and emailing them if it doesnt' work
[10:21] <mako> elmo: but i was thinking that people were using the launchpad system as well.. i don't think i've told anyone to use it but i assumed you were looking at it
[10:21] <bddebian> So if I'm an Ubuntite on launchpad, I'm OK?
[10:21] <mako> bddebian: if you're an ubuntite on LP it means you're ok
[10:22] <Mitario> Oh I actually thought the launchpad way was the default :)
[10:22] <Seveas> Mitario, it is now, but it is very new
[10:22] <ogra> bddebian, youre a MOTU ... just not technically yet ;)
[10:22] <Mitario> Seveas, how new is new?
[10:22] <Mitario> ogra, same here :)
[10:22] <Seveas> matter of weeks
[10:22] <Mitario> Seveas, ah right, so i guess I signed in the new system
[10:23] <bddebian> ogra: I am?
[10:23] <mako> ok, to be an ubuntite, you need to need to (a) sign a coc and (b) be in the strongly connected set
[10:23] <Mitario> by gpg key is under Active Signatures in LP
[10:23] <mako> sorry
[10:23] <ogra> bddebian, come on ...
[10:23] <mako> you need to do a
[10:23] <ogra> :)
[10:23] <bddebian> ogra: What?
[10:23] <mako> to be an ubuntuite, you only need to do (a).. to be a member or an uploader, you need to do (a) and (b)
[10:23] <ogra> bddebian, as soon as the technical part of approval is done ;)
[10:23] <mako> as i understand it, LP checks (a) only
[10:23] <bddebian> ogra: Oh :-)  I honestly don't know if I am deserving.
[10:24] <Mitario> mako,  how do you add yourself to the 'strongly connected set'?
[10:24] <slomo> bddebian: sure... you do
[10:24] <Seveas> Mitario, have someone in it sign your key :)
[10:24] <elmo> and sign theirs
[10:24] <bddebian> Mitario: Have someone sign your key that is in the set
[10:24] <Mitario> ah right :)
[10:24] <ogra> bddebian, in my opinion you do... looks like jbailey thinks the same ;)
[10:24] <ivoks> Mitario: you have to meet in person people that would sign your PGP
[10:24] <sistpoty> bddebian++
[10:24] <Seveas> (probably that already happened, if not - ping me for a sig)
[10:24] <bddebian> ogra: Bah, what does Jeff know ;-P
[10:24] <ogra> heh
[10:24] <Lathiat> whats 'strongly
[10:24] <mako> Mitario: um.. you don't add yourself.. you must signe keys with someone in the strongly connected set
[10:24] <Mitario> yeah ok
[10:24] <ogra> Mitario, visit Treenaks ;)
[10:25] <ivoks> that strongly is blur for me too
[10:25] <Mitario> oh really trust level 5 aka IRL?
[10:25] <mako> i've communicated this to everyone who has signed me a coc signed with a non-connected key
[10:25] <mako> i even have a template :)
[10:25] <Lathiat> mako: i didnt hear about it :(
[10:25] <Seveas> lol :)
[10:25] <Mitario> heh
[10:25] <elmo> ok, I think we should declarle sabdfl a no show and get on with what we can without quoroum
[10:25] <Lathiat> nor did i see it on the wiki
[10:25] <mako> i do it alot :)
[10:25] <ivoks> ok, i didn't get template :)
[10:25] <elmo> (or alternatively define quorum to be and mako ;-P)
[10:25] <Mitario> mako, not to me yet though can you send it again?
[10:25] <Lathiat> i'll go pay jamesh a visit or something :)
[10:25] <mako> Lathiat: that would be good
[10:26] <mako> Mitario: that's fine
[10:26] <Mitario> mako, thanks
[10:26] <mako> it is documented on the website
[10:26] <slomo> mako: but my key is in the strong set and i got really no answer from you... just from elmo that he doesn't get anything from you
[10:26] <Mitario> probably just some slight communication problems
[10:26] <ivoks> slomo: get in line :)
[10:27] <Seveas> makos mailserver has a black hole ;)
[10:27] <Mitario> btw is being in the DD keyring also enough?
[10:27] <Mitario> since most ubuntu developers are also DD's ;)
[10:27] <mako> any person wishing to become a member AND maintainer for packages only in ``universe`` needs only to sign the code of conduct and mail it to Benjamin Mako Hill, have a GPG key signed in the strongly connected set, and obtain the approval of...
[10:27] <mako> Seveas: i wish dude.. i have way more mail that i can deal with :()
[10:28] <mako> Mitario: yes
[10:28] <Lathiat> mako: heh
[10:28] <slomo> Mitario: when you're in the DD keyring you should be fine... hm, what's your key id?
[10:28] <mako> Mitario: if you are in the DD keyring, it means you almost always have a key signed by someone else
[10:28] <mako> that is in the SCS
[10:28] <Mitario> well my key is signed by paulvt who's DD
[10:28] <Lathiat> slomo: how do you determien strongly connected, connceted with top 'trust' to someone else in the community? is there a maximum path length?
[10:28] <Mitario> and bij sjoerd simons
[10:28] <Mitario> of dbus debian fame
[10:28] <Mitario> and such
[10:29] <mako> Seveas: thanks. send me a link the page when you have a draft up.. i'll look it over
[10:29] <Seveas> didn't know there was so much confusion about it :)
[10:29] <Seveas> mako, k
[10:29] <Seveas> anyhow, shall we start on the non-approval things?
[10:30] <Mitario> slomo, 0xB954EDF9 btw
[10:30] <slomo> Mitario: ok, you are ;)
[10:30] <Mitario> I am?
[10:30] <Mitario> wohoo!
[10:30] <Seveas> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/B954EDF9.html
[10:30] <bddebian> Damnit, I can't get into launchpad
[10:30] <Seveas> pathfinder is a great plasce to find this out :)
[10:31] <ivoks> slomo: and me? 0xD3BDA225
[10:31] <mako> Seveas: yes, that is a very good website for tracking this sort of thing
[10:31] <Mitario> slomo, so that means I'm ok?
[10:31] <Seveas> ivoks, go to the url i gave and substitue your key id...
[10:31] <Seveas> Mitario, you're ok
[10:31] <Mitario> Seveas, ok thanks
[10:31] <slomo> Mitario, ivoks: yes... when mako gives an ok to your signed CoC and elmo adds you key to the keyring ;)
[10:32] <Seveas> but getting more sigs is not bad, ping me if you're in Amsterdam ;)
[10:32] <Mitario> slomo, heh ok :)
[10:32] <Mitario> slomo, i'll sign the CoC again
[10:33] <Mitario> Seveas, DutchUbuntuSpurt? :)
[10:33] <slomo> Mitario: same for me... maybe something happens this time ;)
[10:33] <ivoks> Mitario: we have only 3 people beetwean :)
[10:33] <bddebian> Ah, I am an Ubuntite! W00t :-)
[10:33] <mako> bddebian: :)
[10:33] <Mitario> mako, should I send you the signed mail? or is being LP signed enough?
[10:34] <bddebian> But apparently I have no karma. :'-(
[10:34] <ivoks> bddebian: you want to tell me that signing CoC on launchpad didn't result in system error?
[10:34] <Mitario> ivoks, it didn't here..
[10:34] <ivoks> of course, only i get that result :))
[10:34] <bddebian> ivoks: I did it a while ago and it worked.
[10:35] <mako> Mitario: LP is enough.. if you want me to look at it, send me an email telling me to look at LP :))
[10:35] <ivoks> i tried that... hm.. around 30 times :)
[10:35] <Mitario> mako, heh ok, so you can tell elmo to add me to universe uploaders? :)
[10:35] <mako> Mitario: well, i can tell him your coc is sorted.. 
[10:35] <Mitario> mako, yeah ok
[10:35] <mako> Mitario: if the TB has approved you, you should be fine
[10:35] <Mitario> mako, yeah last week
[10:35] <Mitario> mako, you where there :)
[10:36] <mbreit> mako: do we have to be members to get upload rights?
[10:36] <ondrej> mako: is there a chance that new members approval will happen today?
[10:36] <mako> Mitario: at the TB meeting? i don't pay a huge amount of attention there :)
[10:36] <Mitario> mako, hehe :)
[10:36] <Mitario> mako, yeah because of the incomplete CC of 2 weeks ago
[10:36] <ogra> ondrej, not if sabdfl doesnt show up
[10:37] <mako> ondrej: mark said he would make it
[10:37] <ivoks> page not found
[10:37] <Seveas> obviously he did not :)
[10:37] <ivoks> uh
[10:37] <elmo> mako: I think we should give up on that dude
[10:37] <ondrej> ok, i'll wait for some more time...
[10:37] <mako> ondrej: normally, this isn't a problem but kamion is on an extended leave right now so we need mark..  and his available it often sketchy
[10:37] <elmo> it's been 40 mins, and he still hasn't responded even to say "I'm coming"
[10:37] <ogra> elmo, lol
[10:37] <mako> alright
[10:37] <mako> grrr
[10:37] <mako> ok
[10:38] <mako> hah :)
[10:38] <ogra> heh
[10:38] <sabdfl> hi all
[10:38] <Lathiat> haha
[10:38] <Lathiat> speak of the devil
[10:38] <bddebian> heh
[10:38] <ogra> hey sabdfl 
[10:38] <sabdfl> apologies for my tardiness
[10:38] <Mitario> hi sabdfl
[10:38] <mako> sabdfl: we *just* gave up on you like 30 seconds ago
[10:38] <bddebian> Apology NOT accepted ;-)
[10:38] <sabdfl> tsf meeting dragged on
[10:38] <Seveas> welcome sabdfl 
[10:38] <ogra> woah, still ? 
[10:38] <dholbach> sabdfl: hi mark :)
[10:38] <Seveas> let's get this thing going!
[10:38] <ondrej> rbelem: you go first, I am second :-)
[10:39] <Seveas> \begin{PublicServiceAnnouncement}
[10:39] <Seveas> Hello everybody, welcome to the Community Council Meeting. The meeting will start in a few minutes (hopefully). The agenda for today can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda please stick to the agenda and don't go off-topic. All member candidates, make sure your wikipage is up-to-date and prepare a 3 line introduction (which you will have to give in this channel) describing your past contributions to Ubuntu, your plans and y
[10:39] <Seveas> our vision of the Ubuntu feature. Make sure you ALREADY are on the launchpad Ubuntu members page and that you upload a signed copy of the CoC as soon as possible. Everybody whi has an item on the agenda please prepare a few lines describing it so you can easily paste it in the channel later to give everybody an overview.
[10:39] <Seveas> \end{PublicServiceAnnouncement} 
[10:39] <rbelem> ondrej: me?? ;-)
[10:39] <mako> Seveas: thanks again :)
[10:39] <mako> alright, anybody from the loco team in romania?
[10:39] <Seveas> And now for the record, let's all state our names
[10:39] <dand> mako: me
[10:39] <ondrej> rbelem: are you still candidate for Ubuntu member, aren't you?
[10:39] <mako> dand: cool :)
[10:39] <bojicas> hello, silviu from romanian loco team
[10:40] <mako> bojicas, dand: tell us briefly about your loco team.. what you've done.. what you're going to do
[10:40] <dand> alright
[10:40] <jdthood> * jdthood = Thomas Hood
[10:40] <dand> our team page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanianTeam, the links back there sum up our online presence
[10:41] <dand> we've only been active for a month now, however we want to let everyone know we exist as a community
[10:41] <dand> ...hoping that we'll eventually become an official team
[10:41] <mako> dand: great.. are you all based in a single city or are you geographically dispersed within romania?
[10:41] <dand> i have a few paragraphs prepared... here we go
[10:41] <mako> dand: cool, paste away
[10:41] <dand> mako: we're mostly dispersed
[10:42] <dand> bojicas and myself would like to say a few words about the things we've been doing (and plan to), with regard to "country coverage", i18n, docs and website
[10:42] <dand> country coverage: people here already support/advocate ubuntu independently, but the efforts are fairly sporadic and generally lack proper promotion. our short-term goal is to reach these guys and establish local contacts in most cities
[10:42] <dand> there are 67 members on our mailing list, 58 on the forum and our local contacts list counts 7 people nominated so far
[10:42] <dand> i18n: gnome 2.12 will be the first release 100% translated into Romanian, we contributed to that
[10:42] <dand> our next goal is openoffice and we're trying to jumpstart that with a translation marathon this saturday (working with a local LUG I'm also involved in)
[10:42] <Seveas> impressive!
[10:42] <dholbach> WOW, that sounds awesome :)
[10:42] <ogra> wow
[10:42] <sabdfl> dand: looks very good. i have a question for you. would it be useful to have an "Ubuntu Eastern Europe" metastructure for you to work with other loco teams from nearby countries?
[10:42] <dand> ok, that's basically it from my side... bojicas...
[10:42] <Seveas> web site is looking nice too
[10:43] <bojicas> we have translated the "unofficial ubuntu 5.04 starter guide" (ro.ubuntuguide.org) and we have started a section of howtos in our wiki page (wiki.ubuntu.ro)
[10:43] <bojicas> on this side, our main goal is to put this ideas together into a beginners manual - in a printer friendly fashion, and starting with ubuntu breezy, to have a printout to be distributed along with the cds
[10:43] <dand> sabdfl: if it's happening at a translation-level (there's been a great conference in Beograd), I can see this happening at docs/promotional level
[10:43] <Seveas> bojicas, keep an eye on the docteam - they will release a faq + beginners guide soon
[10:44] <bojicas> ok
[10:44] <ivoks> nope, just fingerprint
[10:44] <Seveas> do you have any plans for software freedom day?
[10:44] <bojicas> about website: www.ubuntu.ro is mainly based on www.ubuntulinux.org web site infrastructure, based on plone - content management system (general subjects: ubuntu (ubuntu.ro), community, support)
[10:44] <mako> bojicas: great :)
[10:44] <bojicas> we have also direct links to wiki.ubuntu.ro (for fast moving documents) and to forum.ubuntu.ro
[10:44] <sabdfl> i've been wondering how we could make the loco teams scalable, and thinking about regional coordinating groups. just not sure if that would be overweight, or necessary
[10:45] <dand> Seveas: we've already contacted the two SFD romanian teams, one of them will have to delay the event for october and we got no response from the other
[10:45] <Seveas> sabdfl, the brazil team(s?) has (have?) a similar issue, maybe we should bring this up at another meeting and invite them
[10:46] <ivoks> sabdfl: you could do that with croatian, bosnian and serbian team... this languages share lots of words... but romanian... it's not similar to this languages...
[10:46] <mako> i'm happy to come up with creative solutions to these but i'd like to make sure that the teams need it and want it.. help it evolve when it feels the need
[10:46] <mako> i'm worried about creating too much beurocracy for the locos to early
[10:46] <Seveas> dand, bojicas, are you on the locotem-contacts mailinglist and on the locoteamlist page already?
[10:46] <dand> ivoks: we could team with moldavians once there's some action on their side :)
[10:46] <sabdfl> Seveas: i'm still banging on launchpad. hopefully that's done soon, and then i'll shift my attention to the loco / community integration
[10:46] <ondrej> sabdfl: czech and slovak are similar too, but romanian is too far...
[10:46] <mako> also, since there are not *so* many that we can't keep track of them, i like to have a more direct relationship
[10:46] <ivoks> dand: you know the best for you langauge...
[10:46] <ian_brasil> me and rodrigo are here frombrazil
[10:46] <dand> sabdfl: as a proposed team contact, I am
[10:46] <sabdfl> mako: agreed
[10:46] <rbelem> Seveas: brazilian team...
[10:47] <sabdfl> from a timezone point of view, it may help to have a regional weekly forum
[10:47] <bojicas> sabdfl: not yet
[10:47] <dand> that was for ivoks, actually
[10:47] <mako> rbelem, ian_brasil: right, we talked about this in some depth in a previous CC meeting
[10:47] <Seveas> ian_brasil, rbelem, sabdfl just deferred ;)
[10:47] <sabdfl> hey ian_brasil, sorry i missed you in manaus. had a *great* time though, thanks to rbelem & co
[10:47] <rbelem> ;-)
[10:47] <sabdfl> ok, dand, thanks for the update
[10:47] <ian_brasil> cool
[10:48] <sabdfl> great to hear of your team and your work
[10:48] <Seveas> dand, bojicas, contact smurfix and let him forward ubuntu-ro.org to your server
[10:48] <dand> there are two current issues where we could use all the help we can get: being able to translate openoffice in rosetta and integrating a proper romanian layout in xorg
[10:48] <Seveas> and you're as official as it gets ;)
[10:48] <dand> sabdfl: no problem, thanks for listening :)
[10:48] <sabdfl> dand: carlos and doko and pitti are working on oo.o2 in rosetta
[10:48] <sabdfl> for xorg, i think you need to speak with daniels
[10:48] <dand> good to hear, i'm watching #launchpad then
[10:48] <Seveas> dand, maybe you can work with upstream in the meantime?
[10:48] <mako> dand: do you have the layout done already?
[10:49] <mako> if you do, it should be relatively straightforward
[10:49] <sabdfl> dand: ping doko and carlos
[10:49] <dand> mako: yep. the patch is published, we have a bug in xorg
[10:49] <pitti> dand: we are almost there with OO.o :-)
[10:49] <dand> it's just being delayed since pre-hoary
[10:49] <sabdfl> dand: ok, then ping daniels to get it in his next upload
[10:49] <dand> pitti: you rock :)
[10:49] <dand> sabdfl: i will
[10:49] <pitti> dand: well, doko did the actual work
[10:49] <dand> thanks again, guys
[10:49] <mako> cool
[10:49] <sabdfl> pitti does indeed rock
[10:49] <mako> dand: well, thanks for showing up here :)
[10:49] <sabdfl> doko too :-)
[10:49] <dand> mako: np
[10:50] <mako> dand: and thanks for your work on the loco
[10:50] <pitti> thanks :-)
[10:50] <mako> dand: drop by and let us know how things progress
[10:50] <mako> alright...
[10:50] <mako> any other locos here?
[10:50] <dand> mako: will do (probably in 2-4 weeks)
[10:50] <mako> new locos we haven't met
[10:50] <mako> anyone anyone?
[10:50] <mako> alright.. lets move onto the new members
[10:50] <sabdfl> next
[10:50] <sabdfl> :-)
[10:51] <Seveas> rbelem, you're up
[10:51] <mako> we have a number of people from last meeting
[10:51] <mako> was which was cut short
[10:51] <rbelem> Seveas: here ;-)
[10:51] <mako> so we've actually already talked to a number of these people but couldn't vote on them
[10:51] <mako> we'll go through those folks first so as to avoid the same thing happening again
[10:51] <mako> rbelem was one of them but if you can throw out the summary again, it would be good :)
[10:51] <ogra> mainly Mitario and mbreit 
[10:51] <pitti_> bah, network...
[10:52] <rbelem> mako: ok ;-)
[10:52] <Seveas> and ploum was the most unlucky: sabdfl left during voting
[10:52] <ogra> oh, yes
[10:52] <sabdfl>  +1 from me on ploum
[10:52] <ogra> :)
[10:52] <nalioth> how y'all doin today?
[10:52] <Seveas> ok, settled :)
[10:52] <Mitario> heh, that's quick ;)
[10:52] <mako> that was fast
[10:52] <rbelem> well, my name is Rodrigo Cesar Lopes Belem, computer enginieering student. I'm a linux  user since 1999, debian user since 2002 and ubuntu user since the beginning of 2005.  ian_brasil and me started the Brazillian Team and some months later we did 3 talks  about ubuntu and ubuntu-br (flisol, fisl 6.0 and Debian Day). I want to help ubuntu  to become a very nice and easy distribution.
[10:52] <sabdfl> i got a little berated for departing that time
[10:53] <rbelem> Also I'd like to make things easier for people that uses Ubuntu with professional audio. Customize ubuntu to brazillian  needs. Currently i'm packaging MuSE, darksnow, and some metapackages to ubuntu-br. I work with digital inclusion and free culture projects. I'm member of Comunidade Sol and a founding member of Amazonas Debian User group
[10:54] <ogra> and rbelem is often in #ubuntu-motu recently :)
[10:54] <rbelem> ;-)
[10:54] <mako> i'm also familiar with his work on debian and brazil
[10:54] <mako> so i'm happy approving him for membership
[10:54] <Seveas> you've given the info about ubuntu-br a few meetings ago - sustained is guaranteed 
[10:54] <Seveas> from what i heard the substantial part is ok too
[10:54] <sabdfl>  +1 from me on rbelem, he's doing great work in .br and manaus
[10:55] <Seveas> that's 2
[10:55] <Seveas> one to go :)
[10:55] <mako> elmo: ?
[10:55] <sabdfl> rbelem: once we get the launchpad infrastructure up for easy derivative creation, do you think we could build a community around an audio-focused derivative?
[10:55] <elmo> ack
[10:56] <sabdfl> err... ack -1 or 0 or +1?
[10:56] <mako> rbelem: winner, lets do the coc and then you're good to go
[10:56] <mako> OndejSur
[10:56] <mako> ondrej: you're up
[10:56] <ondrej> here
[10:56] <rbelem> sabdfl: yes... ;-)
[10:56] <mako> ondrej: gogogo ;)
[10:56] <rbelem> wooooo
[10:56] <rbelem> ;-)
[10:56] <elmo> sabdfl: +1
[10:56] <ogra> welcome rbelem :)
[10:56] <elmo> sabdfl: nack == -1, dunno = 0 :-P
[10:56] <nalioth> sorry i'm late
[10:56] <ogra> rbelem, looking forward to get you into MOTU ;)
[10:57] <sabdfl> elmo: ok, gotcha now
[10:57] <Seveas> rbelem, welcome aboard!
[10:57] <Seveas> rock on in .br!
[10:57] <rbelem> ogra, Seveas ;-)
[10:57] <ondrej> I am linux user since 95-96, debian user since around that time (bo?), debian developer since 2000, ubuntu user since Hoary prerelease. Also Czech LoCo contact and team leader.  I run archive.ubuntu.cz + releases.ubuntu.cz + www.ubuntu.cz
[10:58] <pitti> wow
[10:58] <Seveas> don't forget mailing list activity :)
[10:58] <ondrej> I am also member of Debian Gnome and PHP teams...  (most of php 5.x is my work, since I created patch and then bothered Adam for a long time to make release)
[10:59] <ivoks> !
[10:59] <Seveas> if that's not good enough ..:)
[10:59] <ogra> wow
[10:59] <sabdfl> ondrej: do you have any specific goals that you would like to bring to ubuntu?
[11:00] <ondrej> yep, I want to do QA on local language (czech) release for Breezy and focus on L10N
[11:00] <sabdfl> sounds plenty for me for +1 on membership for ondrej
[11:00] <ondrej> mainly as coordinator and reviewer since my work doesn't allow me to spend enormous time on Ubuntu
[11:00] <pitti> ondrej: if you are interested in l10n in general, I'd be glad to work with you :)
[11:02] <ondrej> pitti: I would like to start with czech, but I would be glad to help where I can elsewhere
[11:02] <mako> my interactions with ondrej have been in regards to the loco team
[11:02] <sabdfl> ok, mako, elmo, do you have a view? +1 or defer?
[11:02] <mako> i'm happy with his contributsion in this regards
[11:02] <mako> +1 from me
[11:02] <sabdfl> or runlikecrazy?
[11:03] <elmo> +1
[11:03] <bddebian> heh
[11:03] <Mitario> haha
[11:03] <ondrej> well, I was also able to join with OSS Alliance which promotes usage of FOSS in Czech Republic (Goverment/Schools/etc.)
[11:03] <Seveas> DankoAlexeyev (Virtuall) is not here - defer or treat anyway?
[11:03] <ondrej> and started CD distribution point
[11:03] <ogra> welcome ondrej 
[11:03] <ogra> :)
[11:03] <ondrej> BTW: can you do something about CD delivery times?
[11:03] <ondrej> thanks to all :-)
[11:03] <bddebian> Welcome ondrej, rbelem
[11:03] <sabdfl> welcome aboard
[11:04] <pitti> ondrej: welcome :-)
[11:04] <Seveas> ondrej, welcome on board and yes the delivery times are being taken care of
[11:04] <mako> ondrej: welcone on board
[11:04] <rbelem> thanks all =)
[11:04] <mako> is danko not here?
[11:04] <Seveas> no
[11:04] <mako> wiki page implies that he probably wouldn't be
[11:04] <rbelem> bddebian: ;-)
[11:04] <mako> RobertStoffers 
[11:05] <mako> didn't say his name on the intro bit
[11:05] <Seveas> rob^, ?
[11:05] <ondrej> Seveas: I have 107 CD requests in queue at this moment :-(
[11:05] <sabdfl> next up?
[11:06] <Seveas> jjesse
[11:06] <Seveas> not here
[11:06] <mako> ok
[11:06] <mako> he popped in quickly
[11:06] <apokryphos> hm, he was here not too long ago. Must have shot off.
[11:06] <ogra> Mitario, 
[11:06] <mako> Mitario: alright, you're up
[11:06] <Seveas> next: Mitario
[11:06] <mako> Mitario: the wait is over :0
[11:06] <Mitario> allright, ok warning, long speach ahead :)
[11:06] <Mitario> mako, yeah finally :)
[11:06] <Mitario> i'l just sum up the things i've done and such, which are also mainly described on my wiki page
[11:06] <Mitario> have fun reading :)
[11:07] <Mitario> My name is Michiel Sikkes. I'm a 17 yo Dutchy, going to do a study of Media & Knowlegde engineering next year. I'm active in the open source community for about 4-5 years now. Since then I've become a GNOME hacker and I was a DM (beep-media-player).
[11:07] <Mitario> I've contribed to some technical things in Ubuntu like improving trashapplet (which i'm the original author of). I'm also helping Michael Vogt package and improve Update Notifier for some time which he is now maintaining. Also, I'm the initial author/designer of Update Manager and I'm maintaining that one with MichaelVogt too.
[11:07] <Mitario> Since last week TB's board I've been doing some package-fixing work as MOTU. You can find some status of the packages on MichielSikkesMOTU in the wiki.
[11:07] <Mitario> For the future I'm very interested in getting usability and integration done, especially in the package management side of Ubuntu (with update-manager, synaptic, gnome-app-install, python-apt). I've just discovered ubuntu-nl, so I'll start lurking there too :). And of course, I will continue being active as MOTU.
[11:07] <Mitario> tha's about it
[11:07] <Mitario> did I forget anything?
[11:07] <Seveas> Mitario, yeah, I like gnome-nl - ubuntu-nl interaction
[11:07] <dholbach> Mitario! :)
[11:08] <sabdfl> Mitario: I'm very grateful for trash applet :-)
[11:08] <Mitario> sabdfl, thanks :)
[11:08] <ivoks> Mitario: yay!!
[11:08] <ogra> Mitario did a ton of universe uploads lat week... very impressive
[11:08] <ogra> last even
[11:09] <sabdfl> s/want/wait/
[11:09] <ogra> err s/uploads/sponsored uploads/
[11:09] <Mitario> oh right, and... it may sound weird, but because i'm a fairly large fan of ruby too
[11:09] <mako> ogra: usually, we like to see more than 1 week worth of work.. even a serious one :)
[11:09] <slomo> and he was really helpfull in #ubuntu-motu
[11:09] <sabdfl> Mitario: have you spoken with mvo at all re package management interface?
[11:09] <Mitario> i want go and see if I can improve the ruby experience
[11:09] <mako> sustained and significant :)
[11:09] <mako> Mitario: have long have you been involved?
[11:10] <ogra> mako, he wrote parts of update-manager for hoary
[11:10] <Mitario> sabdfl, which particular interface do you mean?
[11:10] <Mitario> the time that update-manager and trashapplet entered ubuntu
[11:10] <Mitario> that was like 3/4 of a year ago?
[11:10] <ogra> mako, if thats not significant, what then ? 
[11:10] <mako> ogra: the two are seperate criteria
[11:11] <sabdfl> update-manager is a really awesome contribution
[11:11] <Mitario> too bad current CVS can't make it for breezy
[11:11] <Mitario> because it's profit+improvementfor++++
[11:11] <sabdfl> i'm happy to +1 membership on that basis, let the tb take a view on motu separately
[11:11] <Mitario> I tried to upload it in about June
[11:11] <Mitario> i mean, sponsored upload it :)
[11:11] <mako> ogra: you can have significant contributions that are in the last week :)
[11:11] <Seveas> Mitario, it will  be in the backports quickly I guess ;)
[11:11] <elmo> err
[11:11] <ondrej> if you excuse me, I will depart to bed...  have a nice rest of day (evening for Europe)
[11:12] <Mitario> elmo, didn't the TB approve me as MOTU or.. was that my interpretation?
[11:12] <Mitario> good night ondrej 
[11:12] <ivoks> ondrej: 'noc :)
[11:12] <Seveas> ondrej, sleep well
[11:12] <sistpoty> Mitario: iirc TB approved you
[11:12] <elmo> no, I was freaked out by random people appearing in the office, sorry it was -EWIN
[11:12] <Mitario> elmo, heh
[11:12] <ogra> mako, 23 packages last week... 
[11:12] <mako> ogra: wow :)
[11:12] <ogra> yup
[11:13] <Mitario> ogra, 23? :/
[11:13] <elmo> ack for mitario from me
[11:13] <sabdfl> rocking along :-)
[11:13] <ogra> Mitario, thats what evo shows me
[11:13] <mako> ogra: but like i said, that alone is significant clearly but not necessary sustained if he only appeared last week
[11:13] <sabdfl> ok, welcome aboard mitario!
[11:13] <mako> ogra: clearly, in this situation, that's not he case
[11:13] <mako> ogra: but as a rule it's a very good one
[11:13] <Mitario> sabdfl, many thanks :)
[11:13] <ogra> mako, he started when he was approved by the TB in advance
[11:13] <Seveas> Mitario, awesome, welcome aboard!
[11:13] <mako> ogra: right, i understand, we're not arguing over this case
[11:13] <mako> ogra: i approved him like 5 minutes ago :)
[11:13] <jdthood> Excuse me, I have to leave.  'Til next time....
[11:14] <ogra> mako, yup
[11:14] <sabdfl> cheers jdthood
[11:14] <Mitario> bye jdthood 
[11:14] <Seveas> jdthood, see ya!
[11:14] <sabdfl> next?
[11:14] <mako> MoritzBreit
[11:14] <Seveas> mbreit
[11:14] <mako> mbreit: 
[11:14] <mbreit> that's me ;)
[11:14] <rbelem> Mitario: ;-)
[11:14] <sabdfl> you're up
[11:14] <mbreit> I have created the Gnomeradio package which is in Universe now and I have fixed several packages in Universe (unmet dependencies and gcc4 issues). I am going to help the MOTU team where I can and to make some more packages of which I think they should be included in Universe.
[11:14] <mbreit> And I am going to help developing REVU2.
[11:14] <mbreit> Btw: TB approved me as a MOTU last week.
[11:14] <bddebian> mbreit++ :-)
[11:14] <Mitario> thanks everyone btw :)
[11:14] <Seveas> mbreit, to settle this early on: how long have you been involved with ubuntu?
[11:15] <Nafallo> I uploaded stuff for mbreit today :-)
[11:15] <ogra> yay Mitario congrats
[11:15] <dholbach> yes... mbreit did a nice work, even i noticed it - and i wasnt that much around :)
[11:15] <dholbach> Mitario: good to have you in the team :)
[11:15] <bddebian> Mitario: Welcome :-)
[11:15] <slomo> Mitario: congrats :)
[11:15] <ogra> mbreit is with the MOTU soince quite some time and did a lot of fixes already
[11:15] <sistpoty> Mitario welchome, mbreit++ ;)
[11:15] <mbreit> Seveas: we had that discussion already ;) that's far over a month by now...
[11:16] <elmo> didn't we do mbreit last week?
[11:16] <elmo> or last meeting, 'tever
[11:16] <ogra> elmo, yup without quorum
[11:16] <sistpoty> elmo: yep (iirc)
[11:16] <elmo> IIRC, we just wanted to see him be around a bit longer while doing stuff
[11:16] <sabdfl> today counts as a bit longer :-)
[11:16] <mako> ok.. sorry.. catching up i got a phone call
[11:16] <mbreit> elmo: mako did not want to approve me last time ;)
[11:16] <elmo> sabdfl: right
[11:16] <sabdfl> +1 from me for mbreit
[11:17] <elmo> +1 me too
[11:17] <sabdfl> and kudos for elmo for his memory :-)
[11:17] <mako> today is a bit longer
[11:17] <bddebian> heh
[11:17] <mako> welcome on board, +1 from me
[11:17] <Seveas> mbreit, welcome!
[11:17] <mbreit> thanks guys!!
[11:17] <ogra> yay
[11:17] <Seveas> Lathiat, you're up
[11:17] <mako> mbreit: no problem, thank you
[11:17] <sistpoty> welcome mbreit :)
[11:17] <ogra> MOTU grows :-D
[11:17] <slomo> mbreit: congrats :)
[11:17] <Seveas> (TrentLloyd)
[11:17] <Mitario> mbreit, congrats :D
[11:17] <Lathiat> okie
[11:17] <mako> ok.. that's trent
[11:17] <mako> cool
[11:17] <dholbach> mbreit: you made it! :)
[11:17] <Mitario> Lathiath, our avahi god
[11:17] <Lathiat> finsihed all the congrats? :)
[11:17] <ogra> Lathiat, go
[11:18] <Lathiat> I am Trent Lloyd aka Lathiat, 17yo from Australia, been using linux since 2001, have been involved in various conferences etc and helped out a bit in GNOME in the last year or two, have been involved with Ubuntu for the past few months, have been using it since.. well warty pretty much. Currently working with the MOTU team, at the moment I am running around looking after packages that aren't building / generally needing love.
[11:18] <Lathiat> I am also upstream for Avahi a new mDNS/DNS-SD (http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi for the curious) daemon that I have proposed a ZeroConfSpec including for breezy+1 that I wish to actively work on getting done. Hoping to become a member so I can become a universe uploader and take a more active role and get things done faster so universe will be in shape for breezy and beyond :)  I have details of my activities on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Trent
[11:18] <bddebian> Come back when you are 30+ ;-P
[11:18] <Lathiat> hah
[11:18] <Seveas> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrentLloyd
[11:18] <ogra> bddebian, :p
[11:18] <Lathiat> i guess that would be 'sustained' ;p
[11:19] <mako> bddebian: hey dude, i'm on 24 :)
[11:19] <ogra> i must admit i thought Lathiat is already member, he's around since ages...
[11:19] <mako> only even
[11:19] <bddebian> Damn I hate being old AND stupid :-(
[11:19] <mako> Lathiat: thank you for the page
[11:19] <mako> Lathiat: it made verifying your contributions very easy
[11:20] <Lathiat> well it was more impressive when i coudl say i was doing conference talks on ivp6 at 14, i think im getting a little older now :(
[11:20] <mako> although i've seen you around for a while so it was less necessary :)
[11:20] <Lathiat> no problems, didnt want to send you searching :)
[11:20] <bddebian> heh
[11:20] <Lathiat> haha
[11:20] <sabdfl> Lathiat: really excelltn wiki home page
[11:21] <sabdfl>  +1 from me on the content of that
[11:21] <Lathiat> what i have to do work now? doh :)
[11:21] <bddebian> ogra: Man you are greedy.. ;-P
[11:21] <Lathiat> my main future plans are the ZeroConfSpec
[11:21] <ogra> hehe
[11:21] <Lathiat> i'd love to see that in breezy+1
[11:21] <bddebian> Lathiat: Nahh :-)
[11:21] <Seveas> Lathiat, is on board for 2/3, elmo has to drag him in :)
[11:21] <sabdfl> Lathiat: think we can get printer conf seamless?
[11:21] <Lathiat> sabdfl: I'd like to..
[11:21] <sabdfl> detection and configuration of network printers?
[11:22] <elmo> +1 from me
[11:22] <Lathiat> sabdfl: also f-spot for photos, thatd *rock* for conferences
[11:22] <Lathiat> sabdfl: yeh thats the idea
[11:22] <mako> Lathiat: woot, welcome dude
[11:22] <Seveas> Lathiat, welcome onboard, congratz!
[11:22] <Lathiat> yay! thanks guys :)
[11:22] <sabdfl> ok, 3 of 3, welcome aboard
[11:22] <ogra> yay Lathiat 
[11:22] <ivoks> Lathiat: congrats!
[11:22] <Nafallo> Lathiat: welcome :-)
[11:22] <Mitario> Lathiat, welcome!
[11:22] <Mitario> :p
[11:22] <Lathiat> i assume i need to go beg to the TB about MOTU upload?
[11:22] <sistpoty> Lathiat: welcome ;)
[11:22] <dholbach> woohoo Lathiat :)
[11:22] <bddebian> Welcome Lathiat, Mitario
[11:22] <ogra> Lathiat, yup
[11:22] <Seveas> Lathiat, yup :)
[11:22] <Seveas> next: apokryphos 
[11:22] <mako> FrancisGiannaros
[11:22] <Lathiat> bah 4am again, oh well :)
[11:22] <mako> same thing?
[11:22] <Lathiat> thanks guys :)
[11:23] <mako> Seveas: ?
[11:23] <apokryphos> Seveas: I do wonder whether I should be applying for this (seems out of place), but nevertheless.. ;-)
[11:23] <Seveas> mako, yeah
[11:23] <apokryphos> hi guys :)
[11:23] <ogra> Lathiat, sleep well
[11:23] <Seveas> apokryphos, I don't wonder, I know you should :)
[11:23] <apokryphos> Pretty much all of my contribution to [k] ubuntu has been through the channels (long hours). Gonna join docs for 6.10 (already kde-doc team). Inspired to apply to help with the facilitation of the channels per a member suggestion; profane/abusive language has gone on for *long* periods of times in the channel, at times; #kubuntu especially isn't moderated at all, really. 
[11:23] <Lathiat> yeh im goign to depart as I have uni today and its 5:23am now, thanks guys, rock on for the rest of the meeting :)
[11:23] <apokryphos> I post in #ubuntu quite a bit, but I doubt you've stayed in #kubuntu for any significant time without me talking/helping [to]  you :). Vision: good community support. I currently probably wouldn't use a distro at all if the community environment wasn't decent and there wasn't potentially good support. Docs included in this too, of course.
[11:23] <dholbach> Lathiat: sleep tight
[11:23] <bddebian> I have to go pick up my daughter, later folks.  Congrats to the new members
[11:23] <Seveas> apokryphos, is a great contributor to #ubuntu
[11:24] <ogra> ciao bddebian 
[11:24] <mako> bddebian: later
[11:24] <Burgundavia> we need more Kubuntu doc team members
[11:24] <Seveas> both helping and keeping the temperature of the channel low 
[11:24] <Mitario> bddebian, have fun!
[11:24] <Nafallo> bddebian: is she a member yet? ;-)
[11:24] <Mitario> Lathiat, good night
[11:24] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: I've done some already (did a little today), but nothing significant. Easy to get involved though; I know docbook well :)
[11:24] <mako> is apokryphos an op for the channel?
[11:24] <Seveas> mako, no, but that's part of another thing I put on the agenda
[11:24] <bddebian> Nafallo: Maybe by the time she's 8. ;-)  Actually my 4 year old is probably a better candidate. :-)
[11:24] <Burgundavia> apokryphos, excellent
[11:25] <Seveas> (read: I want him to be an op)
[11:25] <mako> apokryphos: maybe it would be good if we gave you op status on the channels and then encouarged you to get involved in the kubuntu stuff.. sort of doing some more trackable contributions
[11:25] <mako> apokryphos: and then we revisit this at the next cc meeting or so
[11:25] <mako> Seveas: sounds great
[11:25] <apokryphos> mako: sure
[11:25] <mako> apokryphos: cool :)
[11:25] <apokryphos> =)
[11:25] <mako> lets move on then
[11:25] <mako> PeterGarrett?
[11:25] <apokryphos> Thanks guys. :)
[11:25] <Seveas> next: PeterGarret - thoreauputic 
[11:26] <thoreauputic> I'm Peter Garrett, and my main contributions have been helping new users in #ubuntu and on the mailing list. I've been a regular on #ubuntu for about 8 months. I have a wiki page PeterGarrett. and spent a day at UDU out of personal interest
[11:26] <mako> nice nick :)
[11:26] <thoreauputic> HISTORY: My main contribution has been on #ubuntu, answering questions, and as far as possible facilitating the channel, by reminding certain users to remain on-topic and generally behave appropriately. 
[11:26] <thoreauputic> PLANS: I am interested in helping to bridge the gap between the technically adept, very knowledgeable people, and the new wave of Ubuntu users who, like me, have come to GNU/Linux from non-technical backgrounds.
[11:26] <thoreauputic> VISION: What I would call "Bridging Tools" - a sort of meta-documentation that eases people's path to the concepts they need to understand, including the packaging system. Making Ubuntu even more Human! A broadening of the Ubuntu Community to be more inclusive of the non-technical...
[11:26] <mako> thoreauputic: i want to see your picture so i can connect the fact to the online presence :)
[11:26] <Seveas> for thoreauputic in #ubuntu the same holds: he's active, helping and good at preserving the great atmosphere
[11:27] <thoreauputic> mako: aha - well I have a grey beard ;)
[11:27] <ogra> hehe, i just thought the same mak
[11:27] <ogra> o
[11:27] <mako> thoreauputic: ah, i remember you :)
[11:27] <ogra> a long grey beard,,,#
[11:27] <thoreauputic> indeed - i look like a Unix veteran - but I'm not
[11:28] <ogra> heh
[11:28] <ogra> but youre quite present in #ubuntu .... 
[11:28] <thoreauputic> I see my role as a kind of intermediary for the hopelessly lost ;)
[11:28] <apokryphos> A regular to say the least :)
[11:29] <mako> alright.. so it's a bit hard for me to guage involvement on #ubuntu alone.. since i only monitor it infrequently
[11:29] <Seveas> hehe
[11:29] <nalioth> thoreauputic is there helping every day
[11:29] <mako> i'm alright with recognizing very significant IRC contributions
[11:29] <sabdfl> thoreauputic: we definitely need what you're proposing
[11:29] <ivoks> he there non-stop
[11:29] <Seveas> #ubuntu has been hell the past days
[11:29] <mako> like, Seveas-esque sorts of things :)
[11:29] <ogra> mako, he was around there before i got MOTU iirc....
[11:29] <ogra> or at least around that time
[11:30] <Seveas> If i were part of the CC, thoreauputic would get an instant +1
[11:30] <ogra> from me too
[11:30] <mako> Seveas: i appreciate your recommending in this regard
[11:30] <sabdfl> Seveas: what's been hellish about #ubuntu?
[11:30] <Burgundavia> mako, thoreauputic has been around #ubuntu nearly endlessly
[11:30] <ogra> sabdfl, bot attacks
[11:30] <Seveas> sabdfl, another item - will talk about it later :)
[11:30] <sabdfl> ok
[11:30] <mako> testimonials
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: haha - feels like it at times:)
[11:30] <sabdfl>  +1 from me too, and thank thoreauputic for the contribution so far
[11:30] <mako> and through my own experience at UDU
[11:31] <mako> thoreauputic: i appreciate your contributions
[11:31] <thoreauputic> sabdfl: thank you, and mako
[11:31] <elmo> +1
[11:31] <mako> awesome :)
[11:31] <mako> thoreauputic: welcome sir :)
[11:31] <Seveas> ok, welcome aboard thoreauputic !!
[11:31] <thoreauputic> thanks elmo :)
[11:31] <mako> thoreauputic: nice page as well
[11:32] <mako> LoicPefferkorn
[11:32] <thoreauputic> well, I'm surprised =)
[11:32] <pef> i'm here :)
[11:32] <mako> pef: run with it
[11:32] <thoreauputic> thank you very much for the vote of confidence!
[11:32] <pef> I'm a french student in computer sciences. Linux user since 2000, and Ubuntu user since Hoary. I wrote several articles on framasoft.net on opensource softwares.
[11:32] <pef> I've made two new packages accepted into Universe (datakiosk and kvpnc), and currently working on some others. I've also filled about 25 bugs reports, in Bugzilla and Malone, and add comments to others. 
[11:32] <pef> I'm an active member of forum.ubuntu-fr.org, where I help newbies, and try to find what people want packaged, and package them or add them to UniversesCandidates.
[11:32] <pef> I plan to fix or create more new packages, help with Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop support, and do something around python or/and Dbus, write french documentation.
[11:33] <pef> have I missed something ?
[11:33] <ogra> pef, oh, you changed your nick ... i was saying to dholbach before i dont remember having seen you in the channel for auite some time *grin*
[11:33] <ogra> s/auite/quite
[11:33] <dholbach> pef is the REVU rocker :)
[11:33] <Seveas> ah :)
[11:34] <pef> I have learning debian packages with Ubuntu
[11:34] <ogra> and he's doing well :) now that i know who he is *g*
[11:34] <pef> ogra: are you sure ? my irc nick always was pef
[11:34] <ivoks> :)
[11:35] <ogra> not pfefferkorn  ? 
[11:35] <ogra> err pefferkorn indeed
[11:35] <pef> ogra: very common in Germany, but it's not my name, many people make this error, I don't know why :] 
[11:36] <ogra> oh, then i mixed you up completely...
[11:36] <elmo> btw, nothing against pef, just a totally random comment.  one days you motu guys are going to have to at LEAST a neutral reaction to somonee
[11:36] <elmo> :-P
[11:36] <ivoks> :>
[11:36] <sabdfl> elmo: hard to be neutral about someone who's helped a lot in Motu-land :-)
[11:37] <Nafallo> sabdfl++ :-)
[11:37] <ogra> elmo, i woud love to... but how should i if everyone who shows up here did good work ? 
[11:37] <mako> right, the positive recommendations become less impactful when it's always dancing and singing :)
[11:37] <dholbach> elmo: i reviewed quite a  bunch of his kde packages and i was very happy with the progress he made
[11:37] <sabdfl> motu have generally not spoken for someone who's actually not done anything in motu-land
[11:37] <elmo> sabdfl: sure, but they're always so positive, it colours my opinon of their ratings
[11:37] <ajmitch> elmo: usually we bash them into shape before they turn up here :)
[11:37] <sabdfl> also, i suspect that motu are good about encouraging guys to take the step to membership
[11:37] <ogra> elmo, we train our people good before we push them here ;) 
[11:37] <Nafallo> mako: people who can't do isn't told to come here ;-)
[11:37] <mako> sabdfl: kamion has expressed some concern as well
[11:38] <mako> Nafallo: right, so the argument is that the selection happen's before anyone gets to this meeting
[11:38] <Nafallo> mako: indeed
[11:38] <Mitario> elmo, the recruitment process is hard you know
[11:38] <mako> nto that's not uncommon in other similar boards but we should probably discuss this as well
[11:38] <Nafallo> mako: I waited almost a year for instance :-P
[11:38] <Mitario> elmo, you have to walk trough mud, didges, dodge bullets etc.
[11:38] <sabdfl> ok, pef, nice wiki page
[11:38] <ogra> mako, the thing is, that MOTU hopefuls ask if they should go or not...
[11:38] <mako> ogra: yes
[11:38] <mako> ogra: i understand that the selection happens before this meeting
[11:38] <pef> sabdfl: thank you, it's hard to put many informations as nicely as possible
[11:39] <mako> in any case, i've seen pef's work on the page and am happy with giving it a thumbs up
[11:39] <mako> +1 from me
[11:39] <ogra> mako, its not a selection... if someone wants to show up, he should... but if someone asks i tell him what i think
[11:39] <sabdfl> pef: any particular plans for dbus?
[11:39] <elmo> oh, ok, I've reveiwed one of his packages myself today
[11:39] <elmo> so +1
[11:39] <mako> elmo: that's comforting :)
[11:40] <ogra> welcome pef :)
[11:40] <Nafallo> I uploaded that package :-)
[11:40] <elmo> and I don't have to rely on the all-singing, all-dancing, all-shiny MOTU troop ;-P
[11:40] <elmo> (kidding)
[11:40] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:40] <Seveas> motu-cheerleaders :)
[11:40] <pef> sabdfl: i'm reading and reading, dbus and ubuntu sutff, since I'm involved only since jully, I have a lot of things to understand
[11:40] <ogra> elmo, so how was the package, could we instantly make him a MOTU ? :-P
[11:41] <Seveas> I saw votes from elmo and mako, did sabdfl vote already?
[11:41] <sabdfl>  +1 from me
[11:41] <Nafallo> pef: welcome :-)
[11:41] <Seveas> (just keeping score/stats for the wikipage)
[11:41] <mako> sabdfl: bingo :)
[11:41] <mako> so
[11:41] <mako> thomas hood
[11:41] <Seveas> last up: thomas hood
[11:41] <pef> thanks to all ! I'm very proud to help you and to contribute to Ubuntu
[11:41] <mako> ran off in the middle of the meeting i though
[11:41] <Seveas> didn't he leave earlier?
[11:41] <mako> Seveas: yes
[11:42] <Seveas> k :)
[11:42] <mako> so.. i know him well from debian
[11:42] <ogra> pef, and we are very proud t have you aboard :)
[11:42] <ogra> to even
[11:42] <mako> but not too well from ubuntu yet
[11:42] <ogra> he's a lot in -devel
[11:42] <Nafallo> mako: I know he worked with pitti on alsa for both distros.
[11:42] <ogra> ^^
[11:43] <mako> Nafallo: yes, this is true
[11:43] <mako> in any case, we'll see him next time
[11:43] <Seveas> k
[11:43] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[11:43] <pitti> yep
[11:43] <mako> thin wiki page too
[11:43] <Seveas> next in the 'general items' section is solved
[11:43] <Seveas> so we've landed at 2 mailing list questions
[11:43] <mako> ok, is carlos here?
[11:43] <mako> CarlosSantiviago
[11:44] <mdz> mako: thomas hood has been extremely active and helpful in Bugzilla
[11:44] <mako> mdz: cool 
[11:44] <mako> mdz: hopefully we'll catch him at the next meeting
[11:44] <pitti> mako: he also did great work in the Debian alsa packages to make them work for Ubuntu
[11:44] <mdz> mako: I encouraged him to go for membership based on his contributions
[11:44] <mako> mdz: nice.. :)
[11:44] <Seveas> so he'll be accepted quickly next time :)
[11:45] <Seveas> rbelem-afk, come back
[11:45] <Seveas> you're up next
[11:45] <mako> so carlos isn't here 
[11:45] <Seveas> no
[11:45] <Seveas> and rbelem just left too
[11:45] <rbelem-afk> i'll pick up ian_brasil
[11:45] <rbelem-afk> and come back
[11:45] <mako> i think we don't need a decision in the CC on either of these
[11:46] <mako> mabye i don't understand the issue but mailing list creation is not usually a CC issue unless it's a new sort of team or type of mailing list.. something out of the ordinary
[11:46] <mako> Seveas: alright dude
[11:46] <mako> Seveas: irc issue
[11:46] <Seveas> ok, there are 2 irc issues currently:
[11:46] <Seveas> First the registration on freenode - I have sent sabdfl a mail a few weeks ago describing the registration problem: freenode (aka lilo) wants an official representative as a group contact and he repeatedly specifically mentioned Mark. I know sabdfl is a busy man, so what to do, who can push this forward?
[11:46] <Seveas> Second: we need more ops. Specifically during times like this - the heavy ongoing spambot attack - having more ops around pays off. I want to propose thoreauputic (wiki.ubuntu.com/PeterGarrett) and apokryphos (wiki.ubuntu.com/FrancisGiannaros) as new operators. They have been consistent and good contributors for a long time already.
[11:46] <mako> we can come back to the brazilian s when they are here
[11:47] <mako> Seveas: i contacted lilo about this
[11:47] <mako> Seveas: i guess he never got back to me
[11:47] <Seveas> mako, cool
[11:47] <mako> Seveas: i'll do it again
[11:47] <Seveas> i'll ping him too
[11:47] <mako> i'll do it RIGHT NOW
[11:47] <rbelem-afk> well, i think it's better stay here
[11:47] <apokryphos> Seveas: I got ops for #kubuntu now already, btw.
[11:47] <Seveas> apokryphos, cool :)
[11:47] <rbelem> ;-)
[11:47] <Seveas> we need to talk to jdub about #ubuntu
[11:47] <sabdfl> Seveas: i haven't seen your email, it's in there with a few '000 others, which i think speaks to the point of me not being a good contact for lilo
[11:48] <mako> Seveas: i'm going to just delegate things to you if possible
[11:48] <Seveas> sabdfl, exactly what i was afraid of
[11:48] <mako> sabdfl: if lilo insists, i may have to have you tell him that :)
[11:48] <sabdfl> i'm happy for ops to folks who know how to do it and are willing
[11:48] <sabdfl> mako: np
[11:48] <Nafallo> Seveas: didn't kiko fix something before?
[11:48] <mako> sabdfl: i just messaged lilo again with the status and who i am and asking to get things roling
[11:48] <Seveas> sabdfl, thoreauputic and apokryphos know how to
[11:48] <Seveas> Nafallo, kiko registered *canonical* as a group
[11:49] <mako> Seveas: in terms of ops, i'm h appy with these two guys
[11:49] <Nafallo> Seveas: ah, was just about to ask
[11:49] <mako> Seveas: do you have anyone else on your list?
[11:49] <Seveas> not currently
[11:49] <mako> alright
[11:49] <Seveas> oops
[11:49] <sabdfl> Seveas: can we delegate to you the ability to appoint ops?
[11:49] <mako> sabdfl, elmo: any objections to our new members also being irc ops?
[11:49] <sabdfl> mako, would you be happy to do that?
[11:49] <Seveas> but one from a long time ago: nalioth still has no ops
[11:49] <mako> sabdfl: yes
[11:49] <mako> sabdfl: that's actually want it want to get lilo to do
[11:50] <Seveas> sabdfl, jdub has to do that
[11:50] <elmo> mako: no
[11:50] <sabdfl> so, +1 to thoreauputic, nalioth, apokryphos
[11:50] <mako> sabdfl: at least from the technical perspective 
[11:50] <sabdfl> also, +1 to having seveas be able to give ops
[11:50] <Seveas> -ChanServ- An access level of [30]  is required for [ACCESS ADD]  on #ubuntu
[11:50] <Seveas> that means I need to be channel owner to add users to the list of ops
[11:50] <mako> Seveas: we're gonna handle that dude.. i'm going to try to give ownership to you
[11:50] <Seveas> (which kinda sucks)
[11:51] <Seveas> mako, ping me when we're done, it's not hard if jdub is around or you know the channel pass
[11:51] <mako> Seveas: ok.. i think you have what you need :)
[11:51] <mako> Seveas: i don't know it.. i'll message you next time i catch jdub :)
[11:51] <dholbach> need to go... have a nice evening
[11:51] <mako> Seveas: in canse you don'tt first
[11:51] <mako> ANY OTHER BUSINESS
[11:51] <Seveas> rbelem?
[11:51] <mako> oh right
[11:52] <rbelem> Seveas: here ;-)
[11:52] <Seveas> rbelem, say what you need to say :)
[11:52] <ian_brasil> ok
[11:52] <Seveas> mako, btw: any luck reaching lilo now?
[11:52] <rbelem> i think we need to create a list to big countries
[11:53] <sabdfl> to?
[11:53] <sabdfl> for?
[11:53] <Seveas> for which purpose?
[11:53] <rbelem> to discuss organizational things with other sub locoteams
[11:53] <ian_brasil> for ...this is a translation bug
[11:53] <mako> Seveas: he hasn't responded yet
[11:53] <Nafallo> rbelem: isn't that loco-contacts?
[11:54] <mako> ian_brasil, rbelem: why isn't the general list good for that?
[11:54] <ian_brasil> loco contacts is specific for team leads
[11:54] <rbelem> but disccuss in portuguesse because many team leaders dont know speak english
[11:54] <mako> you can have more than one contact on that list
[11:54] <sabdfl> so the idea is to have a brazil list, which has lots of different loco teams on it?
[11:55] <ian_brasil> there are many states in brazil
[11:55] <sabdfl> that list would be in portuguese
[11:55] <rbelem> from other states and cities
[11:55] <mako> if the question is having a brazil list and a city-state lists, that is fine with me
[11:55] <mako> we said early on that locos could/should be overlappping
[11:55] <ian_brasil> each of which could have a sub loco team for the state
[11:55] <mako> as in, you can have a us locoteam and a detroit locoteam if there is a need
[11:55] <sabdfl> i'm happy to do this, as long as loco guys feel they can also participate in the central structures if they want
[11:55] <mako> or an italian loco team and a rome loco team
[11:56] <ian_brasil> yes 
[11:56] <mako> but it doesn't need to be a sperate structure or buerocracy
[11:56] <mako> you can just have an overlapping loco :)
[11:56] <sabdfl> its just another list
[11:56] <ivoks> good night all
[11:56] <Nafallo> ivoks: night
[11:56] <sabdfl> sounds fine to me, in fact i'd like to try it
[11:56] <ogra> night ivoks 
[11:56] <sabdfl> night ivoks
[11:57] <ian_brasil> for example how can we in Manuas become involved in creating a community iin Bahia 
[11:57] <rbelem> debian user groups dont have contacts at all because we dont have something to comunicate well
[11:58] <ian_brasil> we cannot travel there so the only way is to have state user groups
[11:58] <rbelem> i think a list will help to stay in touch with other sub loco teams
[11:58] <ian_brasil> we propose the same structure here
[11:59] <Seveas> ian_brasil, I think that if you need another list it's simply a matter of requesting one from the list admin
[11:59] <Seveas> this should not need CC approval imho if it helps communication between teams
[11:59] <mako> right
[11:59] <mako> talk to smurf, and me if you want.. and we can do this
[11:59] <mako> like i said, overlapping teams is fine
[11:59] <sabdfl> ok, all approved
[11:59] <mako> nothing special needs to be done
[12:00] <mako> can we wrap up?
[12:00] <Seveas> ANY OTHER BUSINESS?
[12:00] <mako> going once
[12:00] <mako> going twice
[12:00] <sabdfl> ian_brasil: we didn't meet up, but i did want to say thanks for everything you are doing in manaus and brazil
[12:00] <sabdfl> it's awesome work
[12:00] <Nafallo> .
[12:00] <mako> gone :)
[12:00] <Seveas> Nafallo, ?
[12:00] <mako> thanks for coming everyone :)
[12:00] <Nafallo> mako: . ;-)
[12:00] <ogra> thanks mako
[12:00] <mako> next meeting is one of the earlier ones
[12:00] <ian_brasil> no problem :)
[12:00] <mako> i think 12UTC
[12:00] <Mitario> wohoo!
[12:00] <Mitario> ow, damn
[12:00] <mako> two weeks from now
[12:00] <Seveas> 14 sept?
[12:01] <mako> yes, i think so
[12:01] <Seveas> 13 actually
[12:01] <mako> thanks everyone
[12:01] <Seveas> I'll play secretary and update the agenda
[12:01] <pitti> welcome to the new MOTUs, and good night to everybody