[01:27] <magnon> anyone around? :)
[01:29] <ogra> yup...
[01:30] <magnon> I'm working for a company that runs an ubuntu/ltsp network in some schools, but we havent gotten off of our asses to get into edubuntu
[01:31] <magnon> so, I'll be testing it as good as I can up to release so that we might use it already in october, I just wondered if someone could quickly tell me what work has been done the past months
[01:32] <ogra> we have developed a new fully encrypted version of ltsp that works with the ubuntu packages ...
[01:33] <ogra> the CD will install a single ltsp server by default, you only have to give a handfull of answers in the installer...
[01:34] <magnon> sweet, that eases some need to be careful with the data
[01:34] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ has some initial screenshots
[01:34] <ogra> yup...
[01:34] <ogra> its a simple ssh tunnel... 
[01:35] <ogra> additionally it will be fully upgradeable over the releases, like ubuntu itself... 
[01:36] <magnon> I see you got Knut trolling the mailing list already :
[01:36] <magnon> :D
[01:36] <ogra> heh
[01:36] <ogra> yup
[01:36] <magnon> had some arguments with him a few years ago on skolelinux vs. my idea, glad to see edubuntu coming, fits very well with that
[01:37] <magnon> do you know where I can find a package listing of the additions in edubuntu vs. main?
[01:37] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[01:38] <ogra> vs. http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/breezy/desktop
[01:38] <magnon> awesome :)
[01:38] <ogra> additionally: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[01:38] <ogra> which has no comparison candidate on the ubuntu side...
[01:38] <magnon> no huge diffs on the server side
[01:39] <ogra> only the basics... 
[01:39] <magnon> great
[01:39] <magnon> the closer it is to an escalation agreement, the better :)
[01:39] <ogra> i tried to get mediawiki in for wikipedia support out of the box, but the security team complained
[01:40] <ogra> so i'll add moin to have a wiki ... thats going on the CD tomorrow...
[01:41] <magnon> offline wikipedia? (read about that somewhere)
[01:41] <Burgundavia> ouch
[01:42] <ogra> yup, thats what i wanted..
[01:42] <ogra> you could order a DVD with the data and just drop it into the server...
[01:43] <magnon> I guess that's a good thing for anyone with english as their first language and also a bad net connection ;)
[01:43] <ogra> yup
[01:43] <ogra> but you can also get other languages afaik
[01:43] <magnon> yeah, none covers a million articles though :)
[01:44] <magnon> especially norwegian (30k)
[01:44] <ogra> oh...
[01:44] <magnon> kids learn english fast enough anyway :)
[01:45] <ogra> heh, true
[01:45] <magnon> anyway, thanks for a quick update
[01:45] <magnon> more importantly, what work is getting done for release?
[01:46] <magnon> I'll be setting up a "test lab" (2-3 machines) tomorrow and start looking at it, test the basics etc., and hopefully get myself involved in the process itself asap :)
[01:46] <magnon> if I manage to make a difference before release, it'd be awesome
[01:47] <magnon> brb
[01:47] <ogra> the CD is in a bad state currently, i'd suggest to wait till the weekend... 
[01:52] <magnon> what if I download an older working one and dist-upgrade?
[01:54] <ogra> the current X server autodetection doesnt work, thats a showstopper for ltsp currently...
[01:54] <magnon> oo.
[01:54] <ogra> it doesnt matter if you take a old or new CD here, since ltsp still gets built from the net...
[01:54] <ogra> so it always has the newst X :/
[01:55] <magnon> aha
[01:55] <ogra> newest
[01:55] <magnon> well I suppose I could wait a few days :)
[01:55] <ogra> this will change to CD soon... 
[01:57] <magnon> sounds good
[01:58] <magnon> we're settling a deal with a net provider these days, so for me, stuff of the net doesnt hurt :P
[01:58] <magnon> by the way, you're hired by canonical, right?
[01:58] <ogra> yup
[01:59] <magnon> do you know if you guys have any plans to expand the escalation support to packages that will be in edubuntu?
[02:00] <ogra> all apps we ship on the CD have to be in the supported set, its a requirement :)
[02:00] <magnon> oh, good
[02:01] <magnon> we wanted to put all our machines under an escalation agreement with you guys (we're small and fragile :), and I wouldnt want edubuntu to hurt that
[02:01] <ogra> the CD would have been done in a week ro two if this wasnt the case ;) 
[02:01] <magnon> hehe
[02:02] <magnon> what do you do about the rest? make an eduniverse or something?
[02:02] <ogra> most of my work with edubuntu development was bureaucracy :)
[02:02] <ogra> edubuntu is 100% ubuntu, so you can use universe as in ubuntu
[02:03] <magnon> (what I mean is, it can of course be in the normal universe, but not all people know that the program they are looking for is just an apt-get install longandtediouspackagename away)
[02:03] <magnon> what I am REALLY trying to say, is, have you thought of a metapackage with edu-friendly non-main extras :P
[02:03] <magnon> 2am >_<
[02:03] <ogra> edubuntu has the same settings in synptic unbuntu has... its two mouseclicks to enable universe ;)
[02:03] <ogra> here too ;)
[02:03] <Burgundavia> and g-a-i even tells you what you need to add and how to do it
[02:03] <magnon> the package name is still long and tedious :P
[02:04] <ogra> did you try gnome-app-install ? its the next generation package manager in ubuntu
[02:04] <magnon> trust me, some of our customers wouldnt be able to find a program in synaptic even if I held their hand
[02:04] <ogra> it reflects the menu... you just have to set/remove checkmarks next to the apps ...
[02:05] <magnon> ah
[02:05] <magnon> oh! right!
[02:05] <magnon> one thing
[02:05] <ogra> its very easy... but a bit restricted to gui apps indeec
[02:05] <magnon> yeah, that doesnt matter
[02:05] <magnon> what isnt a gui app is uninteresting to them
[02:05] <ogra> heh
[02:06] <magnon> anyway, is there any work done on separating user types etc.?
[02:06] <magnon> students and teachers might need different permissions and programs, students of different age too - just wondered if someone thought up a sexy solution to that
[02:07] <ogra> i played with sabayon, but it doesnt look ready for this release... we have different user groups though (admin, desktop, defaul)
[02:07] <magnon> the user template stuff (which was originally intended for breezy I believe) looked promising, but I havent looked more into it
[02:08] <ogra> it is in, but the menu entrys for the apps need to be tagged for it... i'm not sure if this will happen, its extremely time intensive
[02:09] <magnon> as long as the possibility to tag them is there, I'm happy
[02:09] <ogra> but if it gets in (not my area) non admin users wont see any non admin stuff by default
[02:09] <ogra> bu i'm aiming for sabayon, really... 
[02:10] <magnon> ok
[02:10] <ogra> you can make user profiles in a xnest window via drag and drop
[02:10] <ogra> its extremely easy to use :)
[02:11] <magnon> yeah
[02:11] <magnon> I tried it out when seth made his first post about it
[02:11] <magnon> somewhat buggy but :)
[02:12] <magnon> I dont think I will see teachers doing that stuff though
[02:12] <ogra> sadly the xnest stuff doesnt work with our ltsp, i havent found the reason yet, but i think it starts it as :1 locally... that doesnt work through the tunnel
[02:12] <magnon> if they could do it all, I'd be unemployed :)
[02:12] <ogra> nope, but school admins
[02:13] <magnon> currently, with our customers (theyre not very large schools though)
[02:13] <magnon> we get there a day a week, or half a day, depending on how much they need us, and we have a local geek-teacher who we train a bit
[02:14] <magnon> thus, they can work it out on a daily basis so I dont have to be on the phone with people not managing to open a .doc, the school doesnt have to pay anyone full time to be an it admin, just a few hours more (4-6 hours a week is good) to that teacher
[02:15] <magnon> and, they have us on a weekly basis + a support agreement
[02:15] <magnon> which is again, on the software side, soon to be backed up by you *points* ;)
[02:16] <ogra> :)
[02:17] <magnon> unfortunately we might have to up our prices to the end user a bit after new years, we've been a bit too nice on the schools
[02:18] <magnon> but they mostly agree that if they pay a bit more and we can provide stronger equipment and support, they'll be better off when an  unexpected situation comes
[02:18] <ogra> you will still be cheaper than a MS consultancy company :)
[02:18] <magnon> true, hehe
[02:20] <magnon> its very rewarding to see linux usage rise and be usable in schools, but I need scrambled eggs for breakfast to keep my head up
[02:21] <magnon> and a bike
[02:21] <magnon> do you have any edubuntu-esque things I can start looking at by the way?
[02:22] <magnon> I'll be able to use some 10-15 hours a week (more, but not as "work" ;) on testing and developing edubuntu, so if there's any work needed to be done, yell
[02:22] <magnon> if you don't know atm, I'll stay in the channel later so you can yell at any time :P
[02:25] <ogra> great...
[02:25] <ogra> i'm about to fall asleep over my keyboard... i'll come back to you, be sure ;)
[02:26] <magnon> ha
[02:26] <magnon> go meditate ;)
[02:26] <magnon> 15 minutes of clearing the head feels like several hours of sleep to me
[04:53] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[01:48] <jsgotangco> hmm
[01:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i spoked to 140 students!!!!
[01:51] <JaneW> does anyone know where I can get some standard (and official sounding) text for our artwork section for people to acknowledge that they are giving us their work to include in the edubuntu release?
[01:51] <JaneW> cool well done jsgotangco 
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i didnt even break a sweat
[01:53] <jsgotangco> hah
[01:55] <JaneW> good for you
[01:55] <JaneW> (is it cold today?) ;)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> well
[01:56] <jsgotangco> i think i did good
[01:56] <jsgotangco> they gave me a bottle of wine
[01:56] <jsgotangco> (dunno why)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> but since it was a very newbie audience, i didnt really go into details of Ubuntu
[01:57] <jsgotangco> i basically talked about free software and demo'ed the OpenCD
[01:58] <jsgotangco> all-in-one IMs seem to be incredibly popular among teens
[02:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well if you want us to give you a bottle of wine you have to PUNT ubuntu ;)
[02:04] <jsgotangco> well the OpenCD is a canonical sponsored product ATM
[02:06] <JaneW> ogra: does what Mithrandir is saying in #c makes sense to you?
[02:07] <magnon> jsgotangco: girls <3 gaim
[02:07] <magnon> that's just how it works
[02:08] <magnon> every place I've worked on where I demoed anything, I always included gaim, and girls love it
[02:08] <magnon> had to break down and say there was a windows version unfortunately
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, nope
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, but he hasnt undestood yet...
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: I thought not - but didn;t want to discount the possibility that maybe it was just me not understanding...
[02:09] <ogra> he thinks about themes
[02:12] <jsgotangco> #c?
[02:12] <jsgotangco> ah canonical
[02:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[02:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[02:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: ping
[02:26] <highvoltage> sorry, screen giving me problems :)
[02:28] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[02:28] <JaneW> as creative director... I need help with licensing for our user contributed artwork
[02:28] <JaneW> hiw much do you know about licensing?
[02:29] <JaneW> I have found: http://artlibre.org/licence.php/lalgb.html , which looks like it may be something we can use ...?
[02:29] <ogra> JaneW, lets use a widely known license like the GFDL or GPL rather
[02:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: we need  to get some standard (and official sounding) text for us to use in our edubuntu artwork section, to allow people to acknowledge that they are giving us their work to include in the edubuntu release?
[02:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: I think either Gnu free doc license, or creative commons sharealike by attribution
[02:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: I want to oublish this on the wiki and ask them to cut and paste it into the mail they send their work to me in, as explicit agreement
[02:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with ogra, gfdl is good (first choice in my opinion), and the cc-sa-by is close second.
[02:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: I just don;t know enough about this...
[02:31] <highvoltage> ogra: how do you feel about the cc license?
[02:31] <highvoltage> ogra: it's basically the same
[02:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: just a minute...
[02:32] <ogra> its ok too, but the docteam had objections for some flavors 
[02:32] <JaneW> ok       Copyright (c)  YEAR  YOUR NAME.
[02:32] <JaneW>       Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
[02:32] <JaneW>       under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2
[02:32] <JaneW>       or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation;
[02:32] <JaneW>       with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover
[02:32] <JaneW> 	 Texts.  A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU
[02:32] <ogra> so i'd go with the gfdl... its safe 
[02:32] <JaneW>       Free Documentation License".
[02:32] <ogra> yup
[02:33] <JaneW> cool, ok, and what about 'and I declare this is my own work' or some such?
[02:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/
[02:33] <highvoltage> that's the cc license, it's in human readable and in legalese.
[02:33] <JaneW> so which shall we use?
[02:34] <ogra> :)
[02:34] <highvoltage> mixing non-gfdl with gfdl is often difficult, which is why gfdl gets first choice.
[02:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: read both licenses, it's generally a good idea :)
[02:35] <JaneW> any more votes?
[02:35] <JaneW> (please don;t let this be like the blue fish voting!!)
[02:35] <ogra> JaneW, your boilerplate needs a hint where you can get the license
[02:36] <ogra>  A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU
[02:36] <ogra>  Free Documentation License" isnt enough
[02:36] <JaneW> ok gdfl it is... I don't have time to study through them now (but I must sometime soon)
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: I'll make a link to it...
[02:36] <ogra> yup
[02:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: when you get to know me better, you'll realise that i tend to go for the GNU stuff. When in doubt, choose GNU!
[02:36] <JaneW> ok
[02:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's perhaps better to put the license on the wiki
[02:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: like on socks: http://socks.tsf.org.za
[02:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: and then people who upload things, acknowledge that they do so according to the license, and that they're not uploading documents that have an incompatible license.
[02:38] <ogra> i'm very astonished there is no license already... thats not common
[02:39] <highvoltage> i wouldn't mind putting it on there tonight.
[02:39] <highvoltage> my internet at home is working again.
[02:39] <highvoltage> also gnu fdl, i assume?
[02:40] <magnon> morning ogra
[02:40] <magnon> *stretch*
[02:40] <ogra> hi
[02:41] <jsgotangco> oh my god this is ugly
[02:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW: that guide is 156 pages oh my
[02:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yup!
[02:50] <JaneW> highvoltage/ogra: please see http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork
[02:50] <jsgotangco> JaneW: kill me instead
[02:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW: silbs is creeping over the docteam lately...so things have been hectic on my side not to mention my speaking engagements...
[02:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am just concerned that GFDL seems to be specifically for TEXT
[02:51] <jsgotangco> and the docteam at the moment is like 3 people...
[02:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm not sure how nice that will work though.
[02:52] <jsgotangco> its getting much worse than actually having a job...
[02:52] <ogra> JaneW, lest make sure elmo is fine with the licensing paragraph...
[02:52] <highvoltage> ogra: does it qualify as a legal agreement if it's not digitally signed?
[02:53] <ogra> i hope so... :)
[02:53] <JaneW> ogra: agreed, but I am not being funny when I say that elmo completely ignores me...
[02:53] <ogra> else we'll never have any artwork... i doubt many users have gpg sigs
[02:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: i got some response out of him last week :P
[02:53] <JaneW> ogra: never responds to e-mails or irc pings or anything
[02:53] <ogra> hmm
[02:53] <jsgotangco> you can try fighting him
[02:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: the time of day seems to be important. 11PM on a tuesday evening is good, it seems :)
[02:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I fear his wrath
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:57] <highvoltage> hehe, from ubuntu-motu:
[02:57] <highvoltage> 14:50 < ivoks> i hope elmo isn't ignoring me
[02:57] <highvoltage> 14:50 < ivoks> i just never get any feedback from him :/
[02:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i fear the cookbook will have to wait i have too much in my hands at the moment
[02:58] <JaneW> lol
[02:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: Im about to start clean up on the documents later for preview release
[02:58] <JaneW> tragetted even
[02:58] <JaneW> TARGETTED
[02:58] <JaneW> whatever :P
[02:59] <jsgotangco> oh we asked elmo before on a domain name redirect and it probably took a month
[03:01] <highvoltage> then i better ask him today for the edubuntu site / wiki redirect stuff.
[03:02] <JaneW> lol
[03:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: and access to immutable pages on the wiki...
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:02] <jsgotangco> good luck
[03:02] <jsgotangco> even henrick has no admin access on the ubuntu wiki
[03:03] <highvoltage> ogra: what do you think about that gnome folder icon JaneW sent? i think it's an improvement.
[03:03] <ogra> jup...
[03:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: what's that bottom banner called on the socks page, with the license info in it?
[03:03] <JaneW> and
[03:04] <JaneW> ogra: wtf is a boilerplate?
[03:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: the creative commons give that to you. the boilerplate is that page that explains the license in human readable form, i think.
[03:04] <ogra> a template
[03:05] <highvoltage> ogra: replacing that icon in the gartoon gnome icon package, can I do it?
[03:05] <JaneW> ok, I am a liitle confussed, I don;t see that GFDL gives you any image licensing
[03:05] <highvoltage> it covers the images too.
[03:06] <JaneW> ogra: and would we need permission from that guy to use the icon?
[03:06] <ogra> highvoltage, sure... look at uuencode... you  have to put it uuencoded in the debian dir and uudecode and copy it at build time
[03:06] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[03:06] <highvoltage>  ok. i'll do that. might have to ask you more about that tonight.
[03:06] <JaneW> SIGH
[03:06] <ogra> highvoltage, no problem
[03:07] <highvoltage> ogra++
[03:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: what now? :)
[03:08] <JaneW> silbs hey all - if anyone feels like voting, Ubuntu has been nominated as Best OS at www.linuxawards.co.uk
[03:10] <highvoltage> well, technically speaking, there's no such thing as a "Best OS".
[03:10] <ogra> hmm, it doesnt offer the other nominations... i have no idea about uk ISPs
[03:10] <highvoltage> there is a right tool for the job though, which is Ubuntu in most cases, imho. :)
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: I just put ubuntu for everything
[03:11] <JaneW> except corporate - there I put Canonical
[03:12] <JaneW> not that I am biased or anything ;)
[03:14] <ogra> err, ubuntu as ISP ?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> you can just put MSN heh
[03:15] <highvoltage> i would just enter "private" there.
[03:15] <ogra> i was thinking about german telecom *g*
[03:15] <ogra> i think they offer ISP hosting in uk :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> Bt?
[03:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: as penance can you sort out this licinsing issue we have? 
[03:20] <JaneW> I will then solicit ppl for more artwork, which we can then use legally
[03:20] <JaneW> we need to sort this out asap
[03:22] <jsgotangco> hmm AndyFitz's usplash are nice
[03:24] <highvoltage> ok
[03:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: why do you die after seeing the howto?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i'm just too loaded on docteam work atm and haven't been updating our cookbook
[03:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, i like the image we use currently much more...
[03:28] <ogra> even if its a bit blurry and dithered...
[03:29] <ogra> but the ubuntu in the dark with the mirroring looks quite cool i think
[03:29] <jsgotangco> the usplash should mix well with gdm though
[03:29] <jsgotangco> or else it wont look consistent
[03:34] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:44] <JaneW> I think I found our license... http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-gpl?lang=en
[03:45] <ogra> JaneW, looks good
[03:46] <JaneW> :))))
[03:48] <highvoltage> gpl++
[03:49] <highvoltage> some people feel it's strange to license documentation under gpl, but i think it works well.
[03:50] <highvoltage> although, some people feel that if you have gpl'd bitmaps, that you should also supply the vector (or source) versions.
[03:50] <highvoltage> which can be tough.
[03:58] <highvoltage> ok, bye.
[05:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: SYN
[05:08] <magnon> highvoltage: your name is disturbing
[05:09] <magnon> most of my day has been on the phone with a school customer of ours who, without warning us, put an unshielded cat-5 hanging from a 440V power line between two buildings
[05:10] <highvoltage> wow.
[05:11] <highvoltage> magnon: well, i do tend to shock people, now and again :)
[05:12] <magnon> :D
[05:18] <magnon> My company is looking for people to administer our cluebat, want to apply? :P
[06:15] <ogra> JaneW, *SIGH*
[06:16] <ogra> this license stuff is tiring
[06:16] <jsgotangco> hmmm?
[06:16] <jsgotangco> artwork licensing?
[06:18] <ogra> yup
[06:18] <jsgotangco> do we have lots of it?
[06:18] <ogra> i'm trying to get my edubuntu-artwork package in... elmo objects 
[06:18] <ogra> nope, just the basic stuff...
[06:19] <ogra> gdm, splash, wallpaper ... and a script in the postinst to set the default icon theme...
[06:19] <jsgotangco> elmo objects because the contents of the package are not licensed accordingly?
[06:19] <ogra> i first had the wallpapers from the wiki in... but since they are not explicitly licensed they cant go in...
[06:20] <ogra> now i made the whole stuff myself and he says mark has to decide the license
[06:20] <ogra> but mark doesnt care at all... as i do :/
[06:20] <jsgotangco> elmo is just being sure of things
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i remember once AndyFitz asking on the same stuff about the font he was doing
[06:21] <ogra> yup
[06:21] <ogra> the fun is, that it holds up everything :(
[06:21] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:21] <jsgotangco> but then community submitted stuff is debatable for its very nature
[06:22] <jsgotangco> most of the people who contribute dont even give a damn on the licensing
[06:22] <jsgotangco> they just give it
[06:22] <ogra> yup
[06:22] <ogra> thats why i ripped out the community artwork for now...
[06:25] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[06:28] <Petaris> highvoltage: ping
[06:29] <Petaris> highvolt1ge: ping
[06:30] <jsgotangco> JaneW: ack! i'm beginning to feel the wrath of silbs and mdz!
[06:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: now you know how I feel ;)
[06:31] <JaneW> *efg*
[06:31] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you have my sympathies though...
[06:31] <jsgotangco> i'm not even employed! *grin*
[06:31] <JaneW> oops gotta run - my kids are killing each other in the bath...
[06:34] <highvolt1ge> Petaris: hi
[06:34] <highvolt1ge> oops
[06:35] <highvoltage> Petaris: are you justin?
[06:36] <Petaris> yeah
[06:36] <Petaris> highvoltage: Yes, I am
[06:36] <highvoltage> cool.
[06:43] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: how are you feeling about edubuntu these days?
[06:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am still feeling nrevous and anxious - mainly because I haven't actually seen it yet
[06:44] <JaneW> there have been too many hurdles and roadblocks for my liking
[06:46] <highvoltage> my workload is decreasing heavily, from next week onward i'll be able to contribute more.
[06:46] <ogra> next release will be better
[06:46] <jsgotangco> JaneW: mdz's LTSP package work
[06:46] <highvoltage> ogra: i hope that will go without saying for every edubuntu release ;)
[06:47] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh yay, good, and thanks
[06:47] <ogra> highvoltage, next time we only have to add/remove stuff and care for new configuration...
[06:48] <ogra> as soon as we have a working base it gets trivial... we only have to make the right changes to the defaults of ubuntu packages and add them
[06:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:49] <ogra> it will be very different to this time...
[06:49] <jsgotangco> and the april release already has a stable base
[06:53] <jsgotangco> wow more than 600 died in iraq in a stampede that is sad...
[07:07] <jsgotangco> night