[12:04] <mircea> any helpers online?
[12:10] <tenchi21> hi
[12:10] <BlankB> hello.
[12:11] <tenchi21> has anyone seen the Mac OS x86 thing
[12:11] <Vindevogel> hi all
[12:12] <Vindevogel> I have a question on Kubuntu and Debian unstable
[12:12] <Vindevogel> I wanted to download j2sdk from tux.org
[12:12] <Vindevogel> Seems it needs libc6
[12:12] <Vindevogel> The version shipped with kubuntu is lower
[12:12] <Vindevogel> can i simply take the version from debian testing ?
[12:13] <Vindevogel> that one is just one version higher 2.3.2.21 instead of 2.3.2.20
[12:14] <torz> hmm hi, I have some weird problems with my system fonts. I did "apt-get install msttcorefonts" to get Windows fonts but in return *all* my fonts look very jaggy (as though it has no anti aliasing)
[12:15] <Vindevogel> torz: i have similar problem with the normal fonts, seems like they are jaggy when the font size is lower than 12
[12:15] <Vindevogel> use the "plastik" theme for a second, it puts them on 12 and all looks fine again
[12:16] <Vindevogel> Anybody alive here caring to answer my question on Debian ?
[12:17] <torz> Vindevogel: yep Plastik is what I usually use, 12 eh
[12:17] <torz> I'll give it a shot
[12:17] <torz> I like size 11s though!
[12:18] <torz> hmmm nope, even 12 looks bad
[12:19] <Vindevogel> don't do it through the font ... go into themes and chose plastik there so that it changes everything
[12:19] <Vindevogel> might want to use keramik for a second first
[12:19] <torz> okie dokie
[12:19] <torz> shit, it tries to use Arial as a default font
[12:26] <Vindevogel> torz: I'm also playing with the anti-aliasing properties.  That does not help much.
[12:33] <brk3> are there any free disk partition programs for windows? the ubuntu installer isnt working..
[12:34] <apokryphos> brk3: qtparted
[12:34] <brk3> on windows?
[12:35] <apokryphos> heh, sorry
[12:35] <brk3> ubuntu really needs to get its installer into shape
[12:35] <brk3> for such a friendly distro its a joke
[12:36] <pax> what's wrong?
[12:36] <apokryphos> Agreed
[12:36] <brk3> im no newbie like and even its scaring me
[12:36] <apokryphos> pax: it's pretty bad compared to SuSE, Mandriva, Fedora one
[12:36] <brk3> i cant resize my main partition
[12:37] <brk3> when i try to change the size and press enter it just does nothing
[12:37] <phazeman> can someone please tell me what service/thing should i restart to make the changes in /etc/locale.alias to work ? or i have to restart X ?
[12:38] <stoeptegel> i'am having problems with reading acces in some partitions, it give me: mount: could not find /dev/sbd5 in /ect/fstab/ or /etc/mtab.  Plz don't tell me i've destroyed my data...
[12:44] <brk3> whats the easiest way to create a partition
[12:54] <Vindevogel> how stable is breezy for the moment ?
[12:55] <crimsun> at them moment, it's pretty stable
[12:56] <brk3> but has no installer
[12:56] <brk3> might as well not have :(
[12:56] <Vindevogel> no, but i have a running hoary, when i apt-get upgrade, is everything going to work in KDE ?  I mean the basics
[01:00] <apokryphos> Vindevogel: pretty much, it should, yes.
[01:00] <Vindevogel> when is the release of breezy: beginning of octobre or end ?
[01:01] <apokryphos> Vindevogel: apt-get dist-upgrade, of course, you should use
[01:01] <apokryphos> 16th IIRC
[01:01] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[01:01] <ubotu> from memory, breezyschedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[01:01] <apokryphos> nope, 13th
[01:01] <Luen> hi
[01:02] <Luen> any clue about burning mdf isos under linux?
[01:02] <Vindevogel> ok, 1.5 months from release on 6, so that's 25% left.  A bit risky .... I am about to find out.
[01:02] <brk3> how the fuck am i gonna partition my disk!!
[01:02] <apokryphos> brk3: get Knoppix or something
[01:02] <brk3> apokryphos: can you partition from a live cd?
[01:02] <Vindevogel> I was quite happy with the server install of kubuntu and then add the rest manually 
[01:02] <apokryphos> brk3: of course
[01:02] <Vindevogel> very clean kde this way
[01:03] <brk3> apokryphos: does knoppix come with qtparted?
[01:03] <apokryphos> brk3: it comes with a partition manager, for sure, yes. 
[01:03] <Vindevogel> see you guys later :-))
[01:03] <brk3> sexy
[01:03] <brk3> thanks
[01:03] <apokryphos> seems fairly standard; makes it more odd that [k] ubuntu live doesn't have one
[01:04] <brk3> apokryphos: kubuntu really needs to get moving on that
[01:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: what settings does kdesu use for i.e. style/font-size in apps?
[01:06] <apokryphos> I figure if sudo is you with root priveleges it should keep the same style/fonts etc for running apps with kdesu
[01:34] <kyaneos> hi
[01:34] <kyaneos> i have a problem
[01:34] <kyaneos> KDE applets disappears from kicker in every new session
[01:35] <kyaneos> and the top menu, Mac OS style, is aligned at the right
[01:45] <kyaneos> has somebody installed Kubuntu in server-expert mode??
[02:05] <Cylla> I have what I hope is a really easy question. How do I start firefox?
[02:05] <Cylla> it seems silly, but I checked to make sure it was installed and it is.. just can't seem to find how to start it or even where it is.
[02:11] <NamShubX> when I try to sudo, I get the following error: postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[02:11] <NamShubX> basically, I have no way of gaining root access to my computer (since I cant sudo passwd in the first place)...
[02:11] <NamShubX> any clue?
[02:13] <fatejudger> what is the best way to play quicktime movies in Kubuntu?
[02:15] <pussfeller> anyone else get a crash in kaffeine on taking a screen shot
[02:17] <fatejudger> no
[02:17] <fatejudger> but there is a kaffeine fix
[02:17] <fatejudger> because it crashes for random reasons
[02:17] <fatejudger> some .deb package
[02:17] <fatejudger> I don't know how they got it
[02:18] <fatejudger> some bot on here knows it
[02:57] <Budda> can some one pls help me with the following error?
[02:57] <Budda> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[02:57] <Budda> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[02:58] <Budda> it appears every time i try to compile sth
[03:00] <crimsun> do you have build-essential installed?
[03:01] <Budda> build-essential?
[03:02] <crimsun> the metapackage 'build-essential'
[03:02] <Budda> sec pls
[03:02] <crimsun> dpkg -l build-essential
[03:02] <crimsun> err, don't paste that output
[03:02] <crimsun> but if you don't have it installed, install it
[03:04] <Budda> ok currently installing --> "apt-get install build-essential"
[03:04] <Budda> thank you
[03:07] <Budda> working fine
[03:08] <Budda> just got the next one
[03:08] <Budda> error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:08] <Budda> anybody? :P
[03:19] <BlankB> !mono
[03:19] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, BlankB
[03:29] <BlankB> are their any working apt repositories for mono develop for kubuntu 5.04 Hoary? 
[03:29] <BlankB> With a relatively modern version.
[03:31] <frank> backports has 1.1.7
[03:32] <BlankB> is this the proper url for backports? http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[03:33] <frank> you can use deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted 
[03:34] <BlankB> frank: thank you. I was getting confused.
[03:35] <BlankB> Right after you said that I went to the backprots.ubuntuforums.org and it told me to use one of the mirrors.
[03:35] <frank> ok
[04:03] <furic> Why is it that a 12pt font looks like a 18pt font on my system? is there any global way to fix the fonts to be compairable to other os's, im on hoary.
[04:06] <furic> The weird thing is, yesterday when i turned my pc on the fonts where fine for some reason, i had all the system fonts set to things like 7pt to counter the effect so everything was allmost unreadable when it was rendered right, but not, after reboot, its back to its crappyness again...
[04:25] <james> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition?
[04:27] <james> i just want read access not write access
[04:29] <BlankB> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 
[04:29] <BlankB> or something like that
[04:30] <BlankB> depends on where the drives are. and where you want it mounted.
[04:30] <james> if in kde i right click on the drive and select mount i get an error
[04:30] <james> its hdb1
[04:31] <BlankB> does it say "can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab" ?
[04:31] <james> yes
[04:32] <james> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:32] <BlankB> Im not sure if there is anything for adding entries to the fstab other than a text editor.
[04:33] <BlankB> Easiest way if you only want to do it now would be:
[04:33] <BlankB> mkdir /tmp/mountpoint ; sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/mountpoint
[04:34] <BlankB> If you want it to mount every time you boot, you would have to modify the /etc/fstab
[04:34] <james> ok did that get another error
[04:34] <BlankB> what was it?
[04:35] <james> could not enter folder /tmp/mountpoint
[04:36] <BlankB> just a sec.
[04:38] <james> k
[04:39] <BlankB> hmm...I can't duplicate that.
[04:40] <BlankB> what does: dmesg | tail
[04:40] <BlankB> anything useful in there?
[04:41] <BlankB> also see if this returns anything: grep "hdb1" /etc/fstab
[04:41] <james> dmesg does 12 lines
[04:41] <james> grep does nothing
[04:41] <BlankB> any of them say anything about ntfs ?
[04:42] <james> NTFS driver 2.1.22 [Flags: R/O MODULE] .
[04:42] <james> NTFS volume version 3.1.
[04:43] <BlankB> when do you get the could not enter folder message?
[04:43] <james> when i try to open the drive
[04:43] <BlankB> ahh.
[04:43] <leus> To install rpm packages on Debian systems, Do I have to use alien -i?
[04:44] <BlankB> try this: sudo ls -al /tmp/mountpoint/
[04:44] <leus> To install rpm packages on Debian systems, Do I have to use alien -i?
[04:45] <leus> To install rpm packages on kubuntu, Do I have to use alien -i?
[04:45] <james> sudo -al /tmp/mountpoint/
[04:45] <james> sudo: please use single character options
[04:45] <james> sudo: illegal option `-al'
[04:45] <james> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[04:45] <james> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid] 
[04:45] <james>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }                        
[04:45] <BlankB> sorry about that. I meant: sudo ls -al /tmp/mountpoint
[04:45] <BlankB> you only need to paste the actual error next time.
[04:46] <leus> Hi, Could somebody help me?
[04:46] <leus> To install rpm packages on kubuntu, Do I have to use alien -i?
[04:46] <james> ok that lists the contents of my drive
[04:46] <BlankB> leus: to convert to a debian package do: alien -d
[04:47] <BlankB> leus: to install that package do: alien -i
[04:47] <leus> BlankB: but I am using kubuntu
[04:47] <leus> BlankB: Is it the same?
[04:47] <BlankB> leus: yes. kubuntu is a cousin of debian.
[04:48] <leus> BlankB: Thank you very much.
[04:48] <BlankB> james: Im not sure how to run konqueror as root...lemme look it up.
[04:53] <BlankB> kdesu konqueror /tmp/mountpoint/
[04:53] <BlankB> 8-(
[05:04] <gdarel> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:04] <gdarel> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:04] <gdarel> Having issues compiling only some sources... getting this 
[05:04] <gdarel> above ops
[05:11] <kalenedrael> x-dev
[05:11] <kalenedrael> you need some X devel package...
[05:11] <BlankB> and perhaps libx11-dev
[05:34] <lascar> i'm trying to get my printer to print
[05:34] <lascar> it worked a few days before
[05:34] <lascar> i got a test page printed and all
[05:34] <lascar> and now whenever i send a job to it, it processes indefinitely
[05:35] <lascar> any takers?
[05:35] <BlankB> is it usb or what?
[05:37] <lascar> usb indeed
[05:37] <lascar> and that's all jobs, including test pages
[05:38] <BlankB> does it show up when you do: lsusb
[05:40] <lascar> yeah
[05:40] <BlankB> Do you have Utilities -> Printing Manager open?
[05:41] <lascar> i do now
[05:41] <BlankB> are there any jobs under the jobs tab for that printer?
[05:41] <lascar> none
[05:42] <BlankB> select that printer then click the printer drop down at the top and check start/stop printer.
[05:42] <BlankB> is stop or start hilighted?
[05:42] <lascar> the printer is idle and accepting jobs
[05:43] <BlankB> under instances can you send it a test page?
[05:44] <jesusfish> crimsun: you ever get the amarok packages to work?
[05:47] <lascar> sorry about the delay
[05:48] <lascar> i get the "Test page successfully sent to printer HP PSC 1350." dialog
[05:48] <lascar> but no printout
[05:50] <BlankB> under properties : interface what does it say for the uri?
[05:52] <lascar> usb:/dev/usb/lp0
[05:55] <BlankB> try this: sudo sh -c 'echo test >/dev/usb/lp0'
[05:55] <lascar> with the single quote?
[05:56] <BlankB> it should work with either single or double quotes.
[05:56] <lascar> i'm getting denied
[05:57] <BlankB> permission denied?
[05:57] <lascar> nevermind
[05:57] <lascar> what's supposed to happen?
[05:57] <BlankB> something should do something on the printer.
[05:58] <BlankB> Any flicker lights or anything.
[05:58] <lascar> nothing
[05:58] <BlankB> Odd.
[05:58] <lascar> indeed
[06:13] <crimsun> jesusfish: actually I got sidetracked by a high fever, but it's enqueued, promise
[06:13] <jesusfish> crimsun: no worries...actually managed to find one posted
[06:14] <crimsun> cool
[06:34] <matthew_w> Anyone know how to add Multiverse and Universe to Kynaptic
[06:43] <JeffAMcGee> !repositories
[06:43] <ubotu> repositories is, like, probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:46] <JeffAMcGee> You can use synaptic if you have it, or just sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:56] <Bags> Hello again, boys and girls...
[06:57] <Bags> Having trouble with VNC
[06:57] <Bags> Any client trying to view my Kubuntu VNC server gets an error just a fraction of a second after login. 
[06:58] <fatejudger> does anyone here use KDevelop?
[06:59] <fatejudger> I'm having a little trouble with it
[06:59] <fatejudger> and no one will answer in the kdevelop irc channel
[07:10] <JeffAMcGee> I used to.
[07:11] <fatejudger> well that doesn't really help
[07:11] <fatejudger> this thing has the hardest time tabbing correctly
[07:11] <fatejudger> dev-c++ seems to be much better than kdevelop
[07:11] <fatejudger> but I can't use dev-c++ on linux
[07:11] <fatejudger> of course all of the good software is on windows...
[07:11] <JeffAMcGee> I moved to gvim
[07:12] <fatejudger> gvim?
[07:12] <JeffAMcGee> graphical vi improved, basically vi
[07:13] <keith> how do i add hoary-extras to the repositories?
[07:13] <keith> !repositories
[07:13] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:16] <pentax> quien tiene repositorios para instalr el mozilla y el mplayer?
[07:18] <fatejudger> JeffAMcGee: does that come with Kubuntu or do I have to compile it?
[07:21] <JeffAMcGee> there's a good chance you already have it installed
[07:21] <JeffAMcGee> but, it has a steep learning curve
[07:23] <JeffAMcGee> gvim and kvim are both in main (not universe)
[07:27] <fatejudger> yeah, I just got it
[07:27] <fatejudger> I don't want to take forever learning this thing
[07:27] <fatejudger> not only that it has a lag
[07:27] <fatejudger> between me typing
[07:27] <fatejudger> and the characters appearing on the screen
[07:28] <fatejudger> why can't I find something like Dev-C++ on linux?
[07:28] <JeffAMcGee> you might do better to just to fiddle with kdevelop's indentation settings
[07:28] <fatejudger> that thing is terrible
[07:28] <fatejudger> it doesn't keep settings at all
[07:28] <fatejudger> like
[07:28] <fatejudger> sometimes it writes the settings to the config file
[07:28] <fatejudger> and sometimes it doesn't
[07:28] <fatejudger> it all depends on how I implement the changes
[07:28] <fatejudger> it's really stupid
[07:28] <fatejudger> like
[07:28] <fatejudger> the menus work
[07:28] <fatejudger> but the actual config dialog doesn't
[07:29] <fatejudger> not only that, I can't compile things in Kdevelop unless I make a project
[07:29] <JeffAMcGee> If memory serves, visual studio is the same way
[07:30] <JeffAMcGee> any non-trivial program may as well be in a project
[07:36] <fatejudger> well this is silly
[07:36] <fatejudger> I can't even add files to a project
[07:36] <fatejudger> nor does it auto indent when I create curly braces
[07:38] <JeffAMcGee> It looks like there's a version of dev-C++ for linux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dev-cpp/
[07:38] <JeffAMcGee> but you have to compile it yourself
[07:41] <JeffAMcGee> in kdevelop, check settings -> Configure Editor... -> indentation
[07:41] <JeffAMcGee> what is indentation mode set to?
[07:42] <JeffAMcGee> you probably want normal
[07:55] <badbear> how do i restart kde?
[08:37] <BlankB> !windowsdrives
[08:37] <ubotu> somebody said windowsdrives was Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:03] <hettar> anyone using breezy yet? Is it useable ?
[11:45] <jatos> hi
[11:45] <jatos> anyoner ever tryed a gui besides gnoem or kde?
[11:46] <ilba7r> you mean window manager
[11:46] <jatos> yeah
[11:46] <ilba7r> search on google for window managers for linux there are quite a few
[11:46] <ilba7r> depend on your needs
[11:46] <Kyaneos> kicker top menu is moved on KDE, has somebody the same problem??
[11:46] <Kyaneos> please
[11:46] <jatos> I just wondering
[11:47] <jatos> I decided to try fluxbox and xfce
[11:47] <jatos> and I have to say... fluxbox in my opinion sucks
[11:47] <ilba7r> http://xwinman.org/
[11:47] <ilba7r> here you will find a list of the most common ones
[11:48] <ilba7r> mm the one compiled in ubuntu is a little bit slow
[11:48] <ilba7r> but also depend what you want do you want a fast window manager
[11:48] <jatos> which one did you compile in ubuntu
[11:48] <ilba7r> or an attractive one
[11:48] <ilba7r> i did not compile any
[11:48] <ilba7r> i am just a user like you
[11:49] <jatos> oh btw, it would very easy to argue that the window manager is actually x-free and the gui is what most people call the window manager
[11:50] <ilba7r> sorry i am not that knowledgable as i said i am just a user :)
[11:50] <jatos> kk
[11:50] <jatos> no worrys
[11:50] <ilba7r> if you like fast and eye candy try enlightenment
[11:50] <jatos> will do
[11:50] <ilba7r> there is a thread on it in ubuntu forums with some screen shots
[11:52] <jatos> kk
[11:53] <jatos> one thing, I don't about youi, but I cannot understand the mentality that goes with simplest GUI possible....
[11:53] <ilba7r> sorry did not understand exactly what you mean
[11:53] <ilba7r> what are you looking for ?
[11:54] <jatos> to me it seems a lot of people pick the gui that does the least.....
[11:54] <ilba7r> for me its different flavours
[11:54] <ilba7r> if i want to do computation and need my pc to be as fast as possible i run either openbox or icewm
[11:54] <jatos> kk
[11:54] <ilba7r> if i want eligence i run gnome or enlightenment
[11:55] <jatos> actually I find xfce to quite eligent with no mroe bloat than fluxbox...
[11:55] <boga> where can I grab deb packages for beta2 of OpenOffice.org?
[11:55] <jatos> erm
[11:56] <jatos> openoffice.org?
[11:56] <jatos> thats you best bet
[11:56] <ilba7r> do not recommend to install from binary though so try to avoid that
[11:56] <ilba7r> or if you do use checkinstall instead of make install
[11:57] <jatos> hello again
[11:57] <ilba7r> jatos i liked flux box for its responivnece but hated how long it took for it to load
[11:57] <jatos> disconnectec by accident
[11:57] <ilba7r> welcome back
[11:57] <ilba7r> if you want really fast window manager you have to try openbox
[11:58] <jatos> I like XFCE its got all the advantages of fluxbox as far I cab, plus i
[11:58] <jatos> it easier to use
[11:58] <ilba7r> sorry i hated it
[11:58] <jatos> ok
[11:58] <ilba7r> gnome is much more elegent and openbox much faster
[11:59] <ilba7r> by the way in gnome i run openbox instead of metacity which make gnome fly too
[11:59] <jatos> metacity?/
[11:59] <ilba7r> thats the default gnome window manager
[11:59] <ilba7r> as u know gnome is a desktop environment and metacity is its window manager
[12:00] <jatos> actually i didn't know that but now I do
[12:01] <ilba7r> i guess you use rox-filer with xfce
[12:01] <ilba7r> does it support emblem
[12:01] <jatos> right now I completely confised, rox-filer?
[12:02] <ilba7r> thats the file manager
[12:02] <jatos> no I use knoqueror with it
[12:02] <ilba7r> ok
[12:03] <ilba7r> so why not use kde with konqueror than
[12:03] <jatos> currently I have four guis on this pc, gnome, kde, fluxbox and xfce
[12:04] <jatos> because I like the XFCE's interface but prefer KDE's file manger
[12:04] <ilba7r> and you do not like nautilus (gnome file manager)?
[12:04] <ilba7r> its the best i used so far
[12:05] <jatos> I am not too kean on it, i think konqueror is more powerful
[12:05] <ilba7r> i agree its a matter of taste 
[12:06] <jatos> yep, I have to say I find the extra features of konqueror very handy indeed
[12:06] <jatos> like I never managed to use FTP in konqueror
[12:06] <jatos> *nautilis
[12:06] <jatos> excuse my spelling
[12:06] <ilba7r> oh thats easy
[12:06] <ilba7r> i use it all the time
[12:07] <ilba7r> yet i remember i set it up from the gnome panel though
[12:07] <jatos> oh, how do you get at FTP in nautilus though
[12:07] <ilba7r> places>connect to server and you are set
[12:07] <ilba7r> then from nautilus i just select from the tree view the mounted ftp volume
[12:08] <jatos> ah
[12:08] <jatos> is there any of getting an address bar on nautilus?
[12:08] <jatos> the address bar is something I like about konqueror I may add
[12:08] <ilba7r> are you using breezy
[12:08] <jatos> no, hoary
[12:08] <ilba7r> ok
[12:08] <ilba7r> open prefrences
[12:09] <ilba7r> and check the location bar
[12:09] <jatos> kk
[12:09] <jatos> wheres location bar?
[12:09] <ilba7r> thats under behavious also select browser
[12:10] <ilba7r> will make nautilus look exactly like konquer
[12:10] <jatos> theres no such option in my nautilus
[12:10] <ilba7r> ok click edit
[12:11] <ilba7r> then prefrences
[12:11] <jatos> yah
[12:11] <ilba7r> on the top bar select behavior
[12:11] <ilba7r> so third option is always open in browser windows
[12:12] <jatos> ah
[12:12] <ilba7r> you have the location bar now
[12:12] <jatos> sorry I was looking for an option that actually said "location bar"
[12:12] <ilba7r> in breezy there is one
[12:13] <ilba7r> by the way you can also press ctrl L to activate the location bar
[12:13] <jatos> kk
[12:13] <jatos> I decided not to upgrade to breezy till breezy is current
[12:14] <ilba7r> now for the neat stuf check the side panel>emblem
[12:14] <ilba7r> and drag one to one of your files and you will know why i like nautilus
[12:14] <ilba7r> fatos wise decision
[12:14] <ilba7r> sorry jatos
[12:16] <jatos> kk ilba7r 
[12:16] <jatos> one thing, if I open a file from FTP in nautilus I can't change it
[12:17] <ilba7r> what do you mean explain in more detail
[12:17] <ilba7r> do yo mean renaming it?
[12:17] <jatos> right I open a php file, its comes up in gedit but make or save changes
[12:18] <jatos> I can edit though it its opened using KDE programs
[12:18] <ilba7r> check the permisions of the file
[12:18] <jatos> 755
[12:18] <ilba7r> oh so you should be able to read write execute
[12:19] <ilba7r> strange
[12:19] <jatos> it can edited if I open in kate, it just appears as though gedit can edit files on FTP
[12:19] <ilba7r> ah ok
[12:19] <ilba7r> there is an option in nautilus
[12:19] <ilba7r> its a precaution aganist unwanted script execution
[12:19] <ilba7r> so you have to open nautilus again
[12:20] <ilba7r> edit > prefrences
[12:20] <jatos> yah...
[12:20] <ilba7r> preview
[12:20] <ilba7r> text files 
[12:20] <ilba7r> select always
[12:21] <ilba7r> oh i think i forgot how i set that up
[12:21] <jatos> ticked it but still I can't actually edit the file
[12:22] <ilba7r> you log in with your user name on the ftp site right
[12:22] <jatos> yep#
[12:22] <ilba7r> by the way i think what kate do is copy the file to a tmp folder you edit it then it copies it back
[12:22] <jatos> yep that seems logical, nevertheless I can still edit the file
[12:23] <ilba7r> give me a min to check something
[12:24] <ilba7r> ok i just tested what you said
[12:25] <ilba7r> i think you have to copy it first then edit it and copy it back
[12:25] <ilba7r> i know with kde you do not need to do so
[12:25] <jatos> kk
[12:25] <ilba7r> and again as i said i am not an expert i am just a user so perhaps it can be done 
[12:25] <jatos> well seing as I get at konqueror in any gui...
[12:26] <jatos> core openbox is small...
[12:26] <ilba7r> i use my ftp site as a backup thats why i rarely edit files in it
[12:26] <ilba7r> and pretty fast
[12:26] <jatos> I use FTP for a whoel variety of things, backup included
[12:26] <ilba7r> not an eye candy though you will not even have a background
[12:27] <jatos> right BRB
[12:27] <ilba7r> tyt
[12:27] <jatos> I am going to logout and try openbox
[12:30] <jatos> back
[12:31] <ilba7r> so how was it
[12:31] <ilba7r> by the way did you install the optional packages with it
[12:31] <jatos> openbox strikes as a little too simple
[12:31] <jatos> and what optional packages, I jsut did apt-get install openbox
[12:31] <ilba7r> but pretty fast does not load neither cpu nor memory
[12:31] <ilba7r> there is obconf
[12:32] <ilba7r> for configuring it and installing debian-menus
[12:32] <jatos> brb
[12:34] <jatos> back
[12:34] <jatos> ah
[12:35] <ilba7r> welcome back
[12:36] <jatos> what would I need to install to taskbar in openbox?
[12:37] <jatos> I would like if possible to have taskbar where I canclick to change apps
[12:38] <ilba7r> in openbox you just right click the mouse for the menu
[12:38] <jatos> that bit I sussed
[12:38] <ilba7r> on the other hand you can use it with gnome to make it faster
[12:38] <jatos> actually I bet the source to gui is pretty simple
[12:39] <ilba7r> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+keybinding
[12:39] <jatos> I might try some customisation to get a personalised guio
[12:39] <ilba7r> you can run gnome-panel in it
[12:39] <jatos> kk
[12:39] <ilba7r> so you will have your task bar from there
[12:40] <jatos> I just used its menu to switch to meta city gui... now to work out how to get back to proper openox
[12:41] <ilba7r> you can not
[12:41] <ilba7r> log out
[12:41] <jatos> damn, I can't logout becasye the taskbar hasn't appeared!
[12:42] <ilba7r> in a terminal
[12:42] <ilba7r> type kilall metacity
[12:42] <ilba7r> killall metacity sorry
[12:43] <ilba7r> oh by the way ctrl alt backspace restart the xserver too
[12:43] <jatos> ok
[12:43] <jatos> brb
[12:45] <jatos> back.. again
[12:46] <jatos> I restarted X
[12:47] <jatos> I not keen on using metacity when it hasn't started correctly
[12:49] <ilba7r> i do not liek metacity period lol
[12:49] <jatos> lol, I can't say I am a big fan of it
[12:49] <jatos> I have admit if the spec of the pc isn't an issue my favourite gui is either kde or xfce
[12:50] <ilba7r> kde although is great was my favourite for a while
[12:50] <ilba7r> but is still slow
[12:50] <ilba7r> and i prefer gnome fonts
[12:51] <jatos> ah
[12:51] <ilba7r> now my favourite is enlightenment
[12:53] <jatos> let me get it
[12:53] <ilba7r> i am running the unstable beta version though
[12:53] <ilba7r> the stable one is great but had to include some gdesklets
[12:54] <ilba7r> on DR17 i did not need to its all there
[12:54] <ilba7r> !acpi
[12:54] <ubotu> ilba7r: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:54] <jatos> kk
[12:54] <ilba7r> !info acpi
[12:54] <ubotu> acpi: (displays information on ACPI devices), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.07-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[12:55] <jatos> neat...
[12:55] <jatos> !info openbox
[12:55] <ubotu> openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 192 kB, Installed size: 916 kB
[12:55] <jatos> I never knew you could do that
[12:56] <ilba7r> !openbox
[12:56] <ubotu> ilba7r: Are you smoking crack?
[12:56] <ilba7r> lol
[12:56] <ilba7r> some time he is something
[12:56] <ilba7r> sometime it will give you a thread to the wiki
[12:56] <jatos> ah
[12:56] <jatos> !info popstars
[12:57] <jatos> !help
[12:57] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[12:57] <jatos> this ubotu bot it quite amusing...
[12:57] <jatos> ubotu I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"
[12:57] <ubotu> jatos: I think you lost me on that one
[12:58] <ilba7r> ah
[12:59] <jatos> anyway let me now try enlightenment now its installed on this pc
[12:59] <ilba7r> AI then i thought its more like a knowledge base
[01:00] <ilba7r> !heat
[01:00] <ubotu> I don't know, ilba7r
[01:00] <ilba7r> ubotu power management
[01:00] <ubotu> ilba7r: Not a clue
[01:01] <jatos> damn enlightenment didn't install properly
[01:02] <ilba7r> ok
[01:02] <ilba7r> you have to do it in synaptic better
[01:02] <jatos> ok
[01:02] <ilba7r> for there is enlightenment data package
[01:02] <jatos> no, its just didn't appear on my menu of gui's
[01:02] <ilba7r> also you have to manually input a desktop entry to see it in the list
[01:03] <jatos> ah
[01:03] <ilba7r> !enlightenment
[01:03] <ubotu> from memory, enlightenment is at Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105
[01:03] <ilba7r> follow the thread
[01:04] <jatos> kk
[01:04] <ilba7r> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54476&highlight=enlightenment
[01:04] <jatos> I wonder how gui's I have installed now?
[01:04] <ilba7r> this is the one i used
[01:05] <ilba7r> !breezy
[01:05] <ubotu> somebody said breezy was the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[01:05] <ilba7r> !info gaim-vv
[01:08] <ilba7r> see ya got to go now
[01:08] <jatos> cu
[01:14] <ilba7r> !sensors
[01:14] <ubotu> ilba7r: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:15] <ilba7r> !info lm-sensors
[01:15] <ubotu> lm-sensors: (Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.8.8-7ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 453 kB, Installed size: 1404 kB
[01:22] <Chameleon22> when i try to use smbclient to list available shares with following command: smbclient -L showof  i get access denied message which is fine but I also get "Anonymous login successful" although i am rather sure anonymous access is disabled completely... any ideas guys?
[01:23] <virus343> Is there any polish user of kubuntu, who want to help me with fonts?
[01:28] <virus343> maybe english user? I have that s at polish fonts place
[01:40] <Fraeon> The lesson for today? Don't be hasty with dist-upgrades ;(
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> remember atht lesson
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> *that
[01:44] <DewDude> well, time to install kubuntu
[01:45] <Fraeon> I tried to do a dist-upgrade to breezy and now the whole thing doesn't boot up. Well, can't say I can blame anyone else but myself
[01:45] <DewDude> heh
[01:45] <DewDude> i'm getting errors during setup
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fraeon: what went wronge as such
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> DewDude: such as? ;)
[01:47] <Fraeon> I don't know really, that's the problem. It seems to boot up okay, but then there's a "checking batteries" section where it just stays for ages
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it's a laptop?
[01:48] <Fraeon> Errrr...no. I dist-upgraded it and that came up. 
[01:48] <Fraeon> It gets weirder, though. 
[01:48] <Fraeon> At times it passes that point only to get stuck in some other point
[01:49] <Fraeon> But more often than not it gets stuck there
[02:05] <funkyHat> has anyone got amaroK to list wma files in it's library?
[02:05] <funkyHat> *collection
[02:07] <hussam> how do I convert a .tar to a .tar.bz2 ?
[02:09] <funkyHat> tar -jf filename.tar i believe
[02:09] <funkyHat> check tar --help for the correct tags
[02:10] <DewDude> couple of questions: i'm installing to an iMac, and it wouldn't configure multiseat system....that going to be an issue later?
[02:22] <nikkia> hussam: just 'bzip2 file.tar'
[02:23] <nikkia> tar -jf will not work, as tar doesn't work like that
[02:23] <hussam> yeah that worked
[02:23] <funkyHat> oh right :)
[02:24] <funkyHat> sorry for the bad advice hussam 
[02:24] <hussam> I tried bzip2 file.tar
[02:24] <hussam> funkyHat: don't worry :)
[02:24] <funkyHat> :)
[02:24] <nikkia> funkyHat: at least you didn't suggest 'tar -cjf ' or some other command that would obliterate the tar file :)
[02:24] <funkyHat> hahaha
[02:26] <hussam> is there a web design program for Linux, something like macromedia's dreamweaver?
[02:26] <incubii> nvu
[02:29] <jeh> quanta
[02:30] <DewDude> oooh...maybe i could start designing webpages again
[02:30] <hussam> Now that Adobe owns Macromedia, I really hope they would port dreamweaver to Linux. although I doubt it would happen
[02:30] <DewDude> yeah
[02:31] <hussam> how much does dreamweaver cost anyway?
[02:36] <DewDude> 199
[02:36] <DewDude> i don't know
[02:36] <DewDude> i've never paid for stuff like that
[02:38] <DewDude> generally if it isn't already free, i won't use it
[02:38] <DewDude> the exceptions being adobe audition
[02:38] <DewDude> i'd buy it...but....i can't afford the license right now
[02:39] <DewDude> if i was making money doing this audio stuff, yeah, i could budget it in...but i've not recieved jack for any of the work i've done thus far
[02:39] <DewDude> meh
[02:40] <DewDude> kdm failed during stage2 :(
[02:41] <jjesse> morning
[02:43] <DewDude> morning
[02:49] <tgnx> hello, is there a gui tool that lets me change the order of the grub menu on kubuntu?
[02:50] <incubii> yes
[02:50] <incubii> vi
[02:50] <incubii> :)
[02:51] <tgnx> ah.. good to know your the smartass of the group ;)
[02:51] <jjesse> any text editor
[02:52] <tgnx> yes i'm not retarded :) i know what a text editor is and how to use it. was asking if there is a gui tool though :) seems like the answer is no there is no such tool .. use a text editor instead :) see i'm a smartass too
[02:52] <incubii> well you could load up KDE and launch vi in a konsole, making it a gui editor :P
[02:53] <incubii> i have never seen a gui editor for the grub menu though
[02:53] <tgnx> thats not a gui tool in the sense of the question and you know it :)
[02:53] <incubii> might be an addon for kcontrol though to do it
[02:55] <tgnx> i was in here one day and someone claimed that kubuntu/ubuntu's goals are to make a linux experience easy and for noobies who dont know how to use the command line. this person stated that everything that has to be done via the command line in kubuntu ubuntu is a failure of the project.. well not a failure but a place where improvement is needed
[02:56] <incubii> well they are probably correct, lodge a bugzilla report
[02:56] <tgnx> i know how to edit grub to change the order with a text editor. but i'm still new to  kubuntu and dont know where it lacks gui tools to accomplish tasks and where it doesnt :)
[02:56] <incubii> or how ever those things are raised
[02:56] <incubii> it wouldnt be hard to code up even a simple perl/tk gui to do it
[02:57] <tgnx> ok now a stupid question :) where is grub.conf .. i cant locate it
[02:58] <incubii> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:59] <tgnx> hmm ok.. i remember it being called that on gentoo.. i wonder why they changed it to grub.conf instead
[02:59] <incubii> to answer your grub gui, there is one at http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/ but it is a gnome tool
[02:59] <incubii> now i must restart my mac
[03:02] <incubii> i hope that helped somewhat tgnx
[03:02] <tgnx> yes you did :) thanks
[03:03] <incubii> it would be handy though to have it either converted or creat a KDE grub gui
[03:05] <tgnx> yes it would be .. maybe a kcontrol plugin exists .. i'll see if i find something
[03:05] <DewUbuntu> how can i test to see if 3d is working on my card?
[03:06] <tgnx> anyway.. rebooting now.. need to work .. in :O windows... but kubuntu would always boot up if i turned my computer on and walked away to get coffee 
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> glxinfo | grep direct
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> if it says yes, 3d is working
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> going to bed now, bye
[03:06] <tgnx> thanks incubii .. see you
[03:06] <DewUbuntu> thanks
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> anytime
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> g'night
[03:15] <Riddell> apokryphos: it'll use the font settings for the root user (or whichever user the app is being run as)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Riddell: how was the Friends conference ?
[03:17] <Riddell> thoreauputic: very halleujia
[03:17] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:17] <Riddell> good fun
[03:17] <thoreauputic> great
[03:17] <Riddell> lots of jesus and christ, which quite scared off the europeans but
[03:28] <DaDave> hi all
[03:29] <DaDave> is there a possibilty to share the desktop, but with the RDP protocol. so that windows clients can connect to my desktop with the remote desktop client which is built in with windows xp?
[03:31] <apokryphos> Riddell: don't you think sudo should take the user's settings, as the only person ever using sudo would be through one's own user. It doesn't make sense to have different styles
[03:31] <apokryphos> yes, I know sudo is root, and I can see why it would; I dont' think it should. :P
[03:32] <apokryphos> it would bridge the gap more between the "external root account" which Ubuntu is all-for (and rightly, IMO). 
[03:33] <jjesse> Riddell: did you decide on adept?  i sent you an email about it for the kubuntu docs
[03:33] <apokryphos> jjesse: hey, you didn't make the meeting yesterday :)
[03:34] <jjesse> apokryphos: i couldn't due to work lots of crazy stuff hapening and the meeting was during work :(
[03:34] <nikkia> DaDave: you can look around for 'rdesktop-srvr' its a shim that offers an rdp connection, which is then routed to a vnc session
[03:34] <apokryphos> It did take pretty long to get rolling, too, unfortunately.
[03:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: aloha!
[03:34] <nikkia> DaDave: you could use that to offer rdp access, by setting it to connect to kde's vnc, locally
[03:34] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[03:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heheh.... 
[03:34] <DaDave> nikkia: hmm interesting idea. thanks!
[03:35] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hey :)
[03:35] <apokryphos> nikkia, thoreauputic: how are you both today? =)
[03:35] <nikkia> too hot, and annoyed with work :P
[03:36] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I'm fine, got some sleep ;)
[03:36] <Riddell> apokryphos: sounds good, but I'm not sure how it could be achieved
[03:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: hot indeed, great stuff :P. My other brother is in a room and has  along sheet over his head as the sun is beaming down
[03:36] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: nice :)
[03:36] <Riddell> jjesse: no decision yet, but adept is getting more likely
[03:36] <Riddell> jjesse: have you tried it out?
[03:37] <jjesse> Riddell: yes i have it is simple to use, better then kynaptic
[03:37] <apokryphos> Riddell: just make it so that sudo takes the user's style/fonts? Point it to whatever the user's using, no?
[03:37] <jjesse> Riddell: so are we at the point that i can make the changes in the docs to reflect adept?
[03:37] <apokryphos> It's probably good to wait till Adept beta at least -- but it's looking more preferable, IMO.
[03:40] <apokryphos> Riddell: I'm sure it could be a case of "easier said than done"
[03:41] <Riddell> apokryphos: if you are running a program as a different user you can't even read the ~/.kde of the original user
[03:41] <Riddell> jjesse: probably yes
[03:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: if you are root you surely can
[03:42] <|nikki|> looks like my IPv6 broker is having troubles again
[03:49] <Bags> Can anyone help me with a pure-ftpd problem? 
[03:50] <jatos> hey
[03:51] <Riddell> apokryphos: if root, but not as other users, so you'd need to make an exception
[03:51] <Riddell> and that doesn't seem very clean somehow
[03:53] <apokryphos> Riddell: not sure that I see the problem. kdesu only uses root/sudo, and we're talking about it taking the styles for a user; not other user's getting other users' styles. What am I missing?
[03:53] <Riddell> apokryphos: kdesu runs as whichever user you tell it to
[03:54] <apokryphos> oh, of course
[03:55] <apokryphos> Could be a pickle, indeed.
[04:05] <Kyaneos> hi
[04:05] <needlz_> hi
[04:07] <needlz_> does anyone know how i can "clean up" my kubuntu? for example..i had zlib.h 2 times on my computer...couldnt compile some programs...till i noticed that ive got 2 zlib.h's :)
[04:27] <sproingie> turn off the autoway lest ye receive the boot of many an irritated op
[05:38] <mart> can anyone point me to the ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org?
[05:39] <mart> ah, jings, packages.ubuntu.com.  Have any more domain names for one distro, really.
[05:39] <miobio> hello everybody
[05:40] <miobio> i'm struggling with irda on my laptop
[05:40] <miobio> can anybody help me
[05:43] <Tm_T> hi kids
[05:52] <unintended> hello
[05:52] <_harald> Hi
[05:52] <_harald> Just installed kubuntu
[05:53] <_harald> Nice
[05:53] <_harald> I've got some question
[05:54] <_harald> How to install a wacom ?
[05:54] <miobio> me too
[05:54] <miobio> :D
[05:54] <apokryphos> mart: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:54] <apokryphos> whoops
[05:54] <apokryphos> I forgot to leave it scrolled down 8)
[05:54] <mart> apokryphos: got it eventually :)
[05:57] <_harald> I'll check later, thanks
[05:59] <miobio> can somebody help me with irda plz 
[06:56] <_otto> hello?
[06:58] <Tm_T> nikkia: =)
[07:03] <m-fox> hi,
[07:04] <_otto> hi m-fox 
[07:05] <m-fox> when I want to update to kde 3.4.2, i get a lot of new applications (kaboole, noatun ...). how can I prevent that?
[07:08] <m-fox> It breakes the ubuntu philosophy: one task, one application
[07:09] <_otto> well... I don't know it seems to depend on the kdemultimedia package...
[07:10] <_otto> but personally, I don't mind the extra applications as long as there is enough space left on the drive ;)
[07:10] <m-fox> yes, but then I get the cluttered menus I hated on other distros
[07:11] <m-fox> so the dependencies are buggy, perhaps I should file a bug
[07:11] <_otto> ok, that IS a nuisance
[07:12] <m-fox> the upgrade to 3.4.1 was no problem
[07:14] <m-fox> I'll stay with 3.4.1 for now and ask in #kubuntu-devel
[07:15] <_otto> have you tried to uninstall the extra apps?
[07:16] <_otto> I'm quite new to k/ubuntu and don't know too much yet about apt; I'm better with RPM ;-)
[07:17] <m-fox> yes, I could do everythink by hand, but thats not what I want :)
[07:18] <m-fox> s/everythink/everything/
[07:18] <_otto> LOL a regex :-D
[07:19] <m-fox> :)
[07:22] <_otto> m-fox ... qsc.de? Dann knnen wir doch auch auf deutsch schreiben
[07:34] <m-fox> so isses, dann sollten wir aber nach #kubuntu-de gehen 
[07:37] <spiral> hi
[07:38] <m-fox> hi
[07:55] <matthew> hey, afgter installing kubuntu, how would i change the resolutions availible?
[08:01] <m-fox> matthew: I think you have to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:02] <knoppix_> HAS KUBUNTU BREEZY RELEASED!
[08:02] <knoppix_> why i see a kubuntu breezy dvd download link??
[08:05] <knoppix_> has kubu breezy released?
[08:08] <kubu> why theres a breezy download link? when breezy aint out?
[08:09] <kubu> helloooooooooooooooooo
[08:13] <kubu> has breezy released?
[08:38] <_douglas> is the latest firefox package borked?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> no
[08:41] <thoreauputic> works fine here
[08:42] <thoreauputic> is yours from backports?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> _douglas: ^^^^
[08:42] <_douglas> no...
[08:42] <_douglas> I figured it out.
[08:42] <_douglas> I'm just dumb
[09:38] <m0ns00n> Hey
[09:38] <sedeki> hello
[09:38] <m0ns00n> Finally, how do I add something to PATH
[09:38] <m0ns00n> Don't tell me bashrc or bash_profile
[09:38] <m0ns00n> I need kcontrol to be able to read
[09:38] <m0ns00n> :-)
[09:38] <pvn> hi people
[09:38] <sedeki> m0ns00n you have to edit those files if you want it to be saved.
[09:38] <sedeki> pvn hello
[09:39] <m0ns00n> And I need to add to PATH forever, not for this session
[09:39] <pvn> hi
[09:39] <m0ns00n> sedeki: But it won't work with GUI apps then, only konsole sessions
[09:39] <sedeki> m0ns00n have you edited bash_profile ?
[09:40] <m0ns00n> First of all it doesn't exist
[09:40] <m0ns00n> I need to create it I guess
[09:40] <sedeki> where did you look?
[09:41] <sedeki> its called ~/.bash_profile
[09:41] <pvn> Can someone help me with making the webcam work
[09:41] <m0ns00n> sedeki: Found it
[09:41] <m0ns00n> Added
[09:41] <sedeki> pvn do you know if it has linux support?
[09:41] <m0ns00n> lemme see
[09:41] <pvn> it doesn't
[09:42] <m0ns00n>  sedeki: do I need to run the bash_profile now? or..
[09:42] <sedeki> m0ns00n open a konsole, type reset
[09:42] <pvn> i-cam DC 3120  or  120 spacecam
[09:42] <sedeki> for it to take full affect -- restart computer.
[09:43] <m0ns00n> Oh??
[09:43] <sedeki> see if it works with echo $PATH
[09:43] <m0ns00n> ok
[09:43] <sedeki> pvn I know there is a linux hardware compability site somewhere..
[09:44] <m0ns00n> brb
[09:44] <pvn> can you be more exect?
[09:44] <sedeki> pvn your cam has linux support.
[09:44] <sedeki> pvn http://nw802.sourceforge.net/news.html
[09:44] <sedeki> i used google.com, you might've heard about it?
[09:45] <pvn> ok ok, thought you ment if it was supported by Kubuntu
[09:45] <pvn> have a problem with that nw802
[09:46] <sedeki> what?
[09:46] <sedeki> you'll need to compile linux from source.
[09:46] <pvn> tried to make it work only my kernel is 2.6 not 2.4 cant upgrate to 2.6
[09:46] <sedeki> you can't upgrade to 2.6?
[09:46] <pvn> no
[09:47] <Kyaneos> hi
[09:48] <sedeki> Kyaneos hello
[09:49] <pvn> Sedeki cant help?
[09:51] <pvn> anyone knows a workarround for the problem with nw802?
[09:52] <sedeki> I have no idea. Check the website..
[09:53] <pvn> i did, but no answers
[09:54] <_martin> hope someone can help: When i start kmix it won't react at all, it "ahngs". I had it work before but somehow it doesn't work 90% of the time, any ideas?
[09:54] <pvn> Thx anyway
[09:59] <edulix> hey
[09:59] <edulix> anyone tried openwengo ?
[10:00] <edulix> oh i need to go
[10:00] <edulix> bye
[10:01] <_martin> hope someone can help: When i start kmix it won't react at all, it hangs. It does display the icon in the taskbar but it won't react to anything. I had it work before but somehow it doesn't work 90% of the time, any ideas?
[10:21] <blackflag> hello all 
[10:21] <blackflag> I have a problem compiling programs
[10:22] <apokryphos> shoot!
[10:22] <blackflag> ex. I want install kxmame I get
[10:22] <blackflag> http://pastebin.com/351317
[10:22] <blackflag> I installed all libaudio 's I can get via apt
[10:22] <blackflag> but still the same 
[10:23] <blackflag> I tried another programm to install
[10:23] <apokryphos> blackflag: have you googled?
[10:23] <blackflag> same messages
[10:23] <apokryphos> what other program?
[10:23] <apokryphos> A similar one, I expect.
[10:24] <blackflag>  the other program is klira
[10:24] <blackflag> these ar all packages from kde-apps.org
[10:25] <apokryphos> blackflag: erm, wait, why are you compiling as root?
[10:25] <apokryphos> I presume those errors are in the make
[10:25] <blackflag> hmm, is that not necessary?
[10:26] <apokryphos> you shouldn't make as root, yes.
[10:26] <apokryphos> not sure if it's the source of your error though
[10:26] <blackflag> How should I do that? 
[10:26] <blackflag> kdesu
[10:26] <blackflag> ?
[10:26] <apokryphos> do what?
[10:26] <blackflag> working not as root
[10:26] <apokryphos> make? You should do it as your user, not with sudo/root
[10:27] <apokryphos> alt+f2 -> konsole
[10:27] <apokryphos> you've seriuosly not used the terminal without being root?
[10:28] <blackflag> when I unsterstand you right than not
[10:29] <blackflag> okay Ido make as normal user
[10:29] <blackflag> same result
[10:31] <apokryphos> you will have had to have removed the current directory, extracted again, and re-configured
[10:31] <apokryphos> did you do that?
[10:32] <blackflag> no
[10:34] <apokryphos> blackflag: then you didn't make as a normal user (you wouldn't have been able to)
[10:42] <blackflag> okay
[10:42] <blackflag> I do make in the moment and it seems to work
[10:42] <blackflag> can someone explain me why this work not as root?
[10:43] <blackflag> sorry my english
[10:43] <blackflag> make runs now 
[10:43] <blackflag> why can not root do this?
[10:45] <blackflag> I want to understand this!
[10:48] <blackflag> Is there a website that explain that issue?
[10:49] <root1> Hello people out there
[10:49] <root1> Im new at Kubuntu...
[10:49] <sedeki> hello
[10:49] <blackflag> hi
[10:50] <root1> I got a little problem
[10:50] <root1> I need to install wine...
[10:50] <root1> But ...apt-get install wine
[10:50] <root1> dont work....
[10:50] <frank23> !repositories
[10:50] <ubotu> methinks repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:51] <BlankB> what happens when you do apt-get install wine?
[10:51] <frank23> root1: add universe to your repositories
[10:51] <root1> okay
[10:52] <blackflag> okay, make stops with the same error!
[10:52] <blackflag> and now?
[10:54] <frank23> blackflag: I don't know exactly what your problem is... do a make clean (or a sudo make clean if you need to) then as a user: ./configure  and make
[10:55] <root1> Hmm 
[10:55] <root1> I cant get that wine installed :/
[10:55] <BlankB> root1: what happens when you do: apt-get install wine
[10:56] <root1> my console say something like ....that i can get it from other sources...
[10:57] <BlankB> can you paste a copy of the console to: http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[10:58] <root1> let me try..
[10:58] <Sho_> Does Kubuntu ship with a network devices configuration GUI?
[10:58] <root1> Damm
[10:58] <root1> There is a little problem
[10:59] <root1> The error is in Danish...
[10:59] <root1> any of you guys talking Danish..?
[10:59] <frank23> Sho_: there is one in kcontrol
[10:59] <Kleggas> kaffeine wont show subtitles for my movie. I have a .srt subtitle file, and it doesn't work...or do I need any extra package for kaffeine to read subtitles?
[10:59] <BlankB> root1: dont know danish but you can paste it there anyway
[11:00] <Sho_> frank23: I'm assisting a non-technical friend via phone; I don't have a Kubuntu box handy. Could you tell me the position within KControl?
[11:00] <frank23> Kleggas: go into the kaffeine xine options or something and add the . directory to the list of directories where it looks for subtitles
[11:00] <root1> root@101Network:/home/root1 # apt-get install wine
[11:00] <root1> Indlser pakkelisterne... Frdig
[11:00] <root1> Opbygger afhngighedstr... Frdig
[11:00] <root1> Pakken wine har ingen tilgngelig version, men der refereres til den i en
[11:00] <root1> anden pakke. Det kan betyde at denne pakke blevet overfldiggjort eller
[11:00] <root1> kun kan hentes fra andre kilder
[11:00] <root1> E: Pakken wine har ingen installationskandida
[11:01] <Kleggas> frank23: :D
[11:01] <frank23> Kleggas: Internet & Network -> Network Settings
[11:01] <Kleggas> thanx
[11:01] <BlankB> root1: i meant paste it here: http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[11:01] <BlankB> !repositories
[11:01] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:02] <BlankB> did you you add the universe repository to /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update afterward?
[11:03] <Sho_> BTW, while I'm here, one thing about system bootup: Can't the clock setting via ntp-client be done in the background? Without network, it holds up the boot process forever while it waits for a timeout
[11:03] <root1> listen ...
[11:03] <root1> Im still at bit new in Linux...
[11:03] <BlankB> No problem.
[11:04] <root1> ok
[11:04] <root1> But i tried nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <root1> What do i ed in this source file....
[11:06] <BlankB> http://blankb.pastebin.com/351360
[11:07] <BlankB> 8(
[11:10] <darkrad> hello
[11:10] <darkrad> anybody had experience with oidentd?
[11:10] <darkrad> i installed it doing "atp-get install oidentd"
[11:10] <darkrad> but how to configure and run it?
[11:12] <blackflag> I did make clean, ./configure, make but old same error
[11:12] <blackflag> alway the same!
[11:13] <darkrad> with oidentd?
[11:14] <blackflag> no I have problems with other programs
[11:14] <blackflag> kxmame, klira
[11:15] <darkrad> ic
[11:15] <Fbirds|rG> i have just installed kde-desktop for ubuntu and i have a problem with dcopserver - please query me - thx!!! ^^
[11:38] <edulix> hi !
[11:39] <edulix> I'm trying to install kiax
[11:39] <edulix> but my libqt3c102-mt version is not enough
[11:39] <edulix> where can i find libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4)
[11:39] <edulix> ?
[11:44] <edulix> hi tenco
[11:44] <edulix> apt-get install kiax gives me unmet deps
[11:47] <_pl> Hello
[11:49] <DewLinux> hi
[11:50] <Blissex> edulix: that's the standard QT library for Debian Sarge.
[11:52] <edulix> Blissex: the problem is that i have a different version:
[11:52] <edulix> kiax: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[11:52] <edulix> if i try to rebuild it, will it work ?
[11:53] <Blissex> edulix: you may have slightly messy 'sources.list'.
[11:53] <Blissex> edulix: also where did you get the KIAX .deb? Bulgaria?
[11:54] <edulix> uhm, i've found the needed package here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/libqt3-mt_3.3.4-4ubuntu5_i386.deb
[11:54] <edulix> strange, i've just done an apt-get update, maybe it's a problem with the mirrors
[11:56] <edulix> Blissex: how can i check which repository does the package comes from ?
[11:59] <Blissex> edulix: 'apt-cache info' probably.
[11:59] <BlankB> apt-cache show pakagename
[12:01] <edulix> BlankB: i had already tried that, but it doesn't show which repository does it come from
[12:01] <narg> Anyone know what the file extension .mp is?
[12:02] <edulix> npi= no fucking idea (spanish)
[12:03] <dmk> narg, this may help http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=MP
[12:03] <dmk> narg, although it may be totally useless!!